5/29/25 Just Trish

Summary

Podcast Summary: Just Trish – Episode Released May 29, 2025

Hosts:

• Trisha Paytas (“A”)
• Oscar Gracey (“B”)

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Introduction

In this episode of Just Trish, Trisha Paytas and her co-host, Oscar Gracey, engage in a candid and unfiltered conversation covering a wide array of topics from their experiences on reality TV shows to personal relationships and identity. The dialogue is peppered with humor, introspection, and insightful commentary, staying true to Trisha's reputation for speaking her mind.

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Reality TV Experiences

The Bachelor and The Bachelorette Trisha shares her journey from being a nurse to participating in reality TV, specifically The Bachelor and The Bachelorette.

• Trisha discusses her initial reluctance:
  • "I’m not going on a show with the D squad. Like, she was proposing probably three months in. And I’m like, I need time. I need time." (03:00)
• Engagement and Breakup:
  • Trisha reveals her swift engagement and subsequent breakup, attributing it to differing life goals with her ex-fiancé who couldn't align with her career ambitions.
  • "Our goals weren’t aligned. Like, meeting Robbie, like, as a woman, we just have our together. She’s so driven. She’s so smart." (24:37)

Dancing with the Stars vs. Traitors A comparison between the physical and mental demands of Dancing with the Stars and a reality show referred to as Traitors (likely a pseudonym for privacy).

• Challenges Faced:
  • "The helicopter thing was so strong in my nose that I blew a blood vessel. So I had to do it in my mouth after." (40:33)
• Trisha’s Concerns During Filming:
  • "I was moving to LA to travel nurse, and then my cheerleader friends, which I don’t have anymore, nominated me." (04:18)
• Oscar's Perspective:
  • Oscar shares his struggles with extensive filming schedules, especially while pregnant, highlighting the intense workload Trisha faced.

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Personal Relationships and Identity

Transition to Lesbian Relationships Trisha discusses her journey toward embracing her sexuality, leading to a fulfilling marriage with her wife, Robbie.

• Self-Discovery:
  • "I wasn’t even sure if I was gay. I grew up in the Midwest with very little exposure to LGBTQ+ culture." (13:17)
• Meeting Robbie:
  • "We met outside of a lesbian bar. She laid it on thick. I was very interested from first sight." (17:20)
• Marriage:
  • "Being married feels amazing. It’s the security I needed." (28:08)
• Arguments and Dynamics:
  • "We’re two girls, so we’re so drama. Wait around our periods. It’s like, no, you would not believe." (29:05)
  • Oscar adds, "When we first did, yeah, we did. But now he just knows I’m always right, so we never fight." (30:32)

Impact of Upbringing on Relationships The hosts explore how their childhoods influenced their adult relationships.

• Trisha on Her Mother:
  • "My mom was emotionally abusive, always locking herself in her room or on her phone." (26:35)
• Oscar on Social Interaction:
  • "I was staying at home, just locking myself in my apartment." (19:36)
  • This contrasts with Trisha's more socially active past as a cheerleader and nurse.

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Sexuality and Mental Health

Open Discussions on Sexuality Trisha and Oscar delve into their exploration of sexuality, discussing lesbian relationships in depth.

• Lesbian Experiences:
  • "We are fluid in our gender and sexuality, both of us." (11:28)
  • Trisha emphasizes the importance of authentic relationships over societal expectations.

Mental Health Advocacy The conversation touches on mental health, with both hosts sharing their struggles and coping mechanisms.

• Trisha’s Mental Health:
  • "I’m dealing with depression, anxiety, and mood issues." (50:14)
  • She discusses the use of medications like Lamictal and natural remedies like smoking to manage anxiety.
• Oscar’s Perspective:
  • "I never felt like I was good at sex, but we’re both getting what we need." (16:19)
• Advocacy and Personal Struggles:
  • Both hosts advocate for mental health awareness, sharing personal anecdotes to inspire listeners.
  • Trisha remarks, "Fame is different than money. I could do with more fame and less money than the opposite." (57:58)

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Product Placements and Sponsorships

Degree’s Cool Rush and Lifelock Ads The episode begins with advertisements for Degree's Cool Rush antiperspirant and Lifelock’s identity theft protection services.

• Degree’s Campaign:
  • "Degree Cool Rush is back. And it smells like victory." (00:21)
• Lifelock Advertisement:
  • Details about Lifelock’s services and promotional discount code.

Domino’s and Other Sponsorships Trisha discusses securing sponsorships, particularly with Domino’s Pizza.

• Domino’s Collaboration:
  • "I did one with Domino’s. It was the most chaotic concept. It was Domino’s and a nail collab." (52:00)
  • Oscar expresses envy over Trisha’s successful sponsorships, highlighting the challenges he faces in securing deals despite frequent mentions on their podcast.

Air1 Smoothies and Other Brands They touch upon other brand collaborations, including discussions about Air1 Smoothies and Erewhon.

• Product Placement Insights:
  • Trisha shares experiences with brand placements, emphasizing the balance between personal brand and sponsor requirements.
  • "I during the first time I did it on Traitors, it was so strong in my nose that I blew a blood vessel." (48:39)

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Social Media and Podcasting

Growth and Audience Engagement The hosts discuss the evolution of their podcast and social media presence.

• Podcast Development:
  • "With my podcast, I'll think of, like, takes or points, maybe like, three or four to get me through the hour and then just see what comes out." (76:00)
• Social Media Strategy:
  • Trisha highlights the importance of authentic content and viral TikToks in expanding her audience.
  • "I don’t want to look for a wedding dress. And then this is one of the ones they found. I’m like, should I wear pasties?" (31:36)

Audience Demographics They analyze their audience composition, noting a strong following among gay men and LGBTQ+ communities.

• Audience Breakdown:
  • "I think it's like it used to be 90% women and 10% men, but now it's like 70% probably 30%. 80% gay men." (78:52)
  • Oscar appreciates the support from the gay male audience, emphasizing the inclusivity and relatability of their content.

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Future Plans and Aspirations

Upcoming Projects and Shows Trisha hints at future endeavors, including another reality show scheduled for June.

• Scheduled TV Appearances:
  • "I’ll be gone all of June. So I know I can’t do the pride thing." (80:31)
• Desire for Scripted Roles:
  • "I want to do scripted stuff now because there’s more longevity in it." (85:02)
  • Both hosts express interest in expanding their presence in scripted television, with Trisha aspiring to act alongside her wife Robbie.

Balancing Personal and Professional Lives Discussions on maintaining relationships while managing demanding schedules.

• Trisha and Robbie’s Dynamic:
  • "We cook together, we have dinner, staying in, it’s the happiest." (81:02)
  • They navigate the challenges of long-distance commitments due to filming schedules, striving to maintain a strong and supportive relationship.

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Notable Quotes

• Trisha on Career Decisions:
  • “Your career is made by what you say no to.” (18:35)
• Oscar on Podcast Chemistry:
  • “It’s the best thing in the whole wide world. It’s so, like, just your guys' chemistry.” (86:27)
• Trisha on Authenticity:
  • “I never want to wear a bra.” (30:39)

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Conclusion

This episode of Just Trish offers an in-depth look into the personal and professional lives of Trisha Paytas and Oscar Gracey. From navigating the high-stakes environment of reality TV to embracing their true identities and fostering meaningful relationships, the hosts provide listeners with genuine insights and relatable experiences. Their discussions on mental health, sexuality, and the complexities of sponsorships add layers of depth, making the conversation both entertaining and enlightening. As they continue to evolve their podcast and social media presence, listeners can look forward to more unfiltered and engaging content in future episodes.

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Timestamps Reference:

• 00:00 to 00:21 – Advertisements
• 03:00 – Trisha’s reluctance to join The Bachelor
• 13:17 – Self-discovery of sexuality
• 24:37 – Trisha on differing goals in relationships
• 40:33 – Challenges on Traitors
• 50:14 – Trisha’s mental health discussion
• 78:52 – Audience demographics
• (Additional timestamps referenced above)

Transcript

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[B]

Oh, no. You said no to that too.

[A]

Yeah, you love saying no to everything.

[B]

Yes. That's crazy because we talk about Domino's every episode and they never give us a sponsorship.

[A]

Damn, that's.

[B]

Duh. It's every episode.

[A]

Yes. I did one with Domino's.

[B]

Her name is Trish. She's got the dish and all.

[A]

Got some filthy rich rhythm pink Hot.

[B]

Topic queen and says what everybody thinks. She's just Trish. Yay.

[A]

All right. Okay.

[B]

Can we. Yes. Yes.

[A]

Okay. I'm so the second night. Well, no, right after you asked. I don't even know if it was before or after I got it, but I knew exactly where it was going to. I've even told people that. I have a present for you.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited. I.

[A]

It. I hope you like it as much.

[B]

So heavy.

[A]

Yeah, I hope you like it as much as I like. Think you will.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. I saw. I had no. Oh, my God. Is it a Trader's guide?

[A]

Do you have one already?

[B]

No. Oh, my God. Do they sell these? Where do you even buy them? Oh, sorry, McKenna, that's your best friend.

[A]

No, you get. I know it's yours.

[B]

We. Oh, my God. Do they sell them? Oh, my God. No.

[A]

Well, they gifted me Too Peacock did on my press store. I sprayed it with my perfum.

[B]

This one's you. I was going to ask if it's the one you wore cuz it smells like you.

[A]

Oh my God. They gifted me two and I'm like, obviously I don't need two, but I know. And you're such a big fan. I'm like, I'm going to give it to you.

[B]

No way. Wait, where's the hood?

[A]

Here.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Now you got to head to the turret.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Let me see. Let me see. Thank you.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Okay. Yes. Help. This is my dream. Oh my gosh. This is a dream. I feel so cool.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Cause you're such a big fan. Wait, were you casted?

[B]

Well, no, I wasn't on. Did you miss me on my season.

[A]

But for this season, no.

[B]

It shoots in May. I'm prego.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

That's what I tell myself because I'm pregnant. They didn't ask me, but.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

They're filming now, I think.

[A]

Okay. Cause you would crush.

[B]

Well, unlike you, you say you said no a couple times to them when I was like, I'm just wa. Waiting for them to ask, period. I would say I would do it for free. I would do it for free.

[A]

Yeah, it's basically free.

[B]

Well, you did get the money.

[A]

You got.

[B]

You won. So you got some price money. Okay. I have so many questions.

[A]

No, you can take that off.

[B]

I love it. No, this is my dream is to be the traitor. Because I'm like such a good liar and I feel like I would be so good on this show. I feel like.

[A]

No. I'm so surprised. I mean, they didn't reach out to you. You bring in such an audience.

[B]

I don't know why. I've just never casted for anything. Dancing with the Stars, you've done everything.

[A]

And I'm like, no. I was watching dancing videos of you yesterday. I'm like, you need to be.

[B]

You have my dream career. No, you're the dream it girl. There's so many questions, but since we brought up Traders, we should just like talk about Traders, because this is like the most iconic thing. So they've asked you once or twice and you said no?

[A]

They asked me once, like officially. And then they kept kind of one of the EPs or whatever I was having generals with when I first moved to la. So they were like in NBC Peacock. They were like, would you ever do this? And then the. The second season had just come out. I didn't know anybody on it besides pilot Pete.

[B]

Oh, my God. Oh. Cause you're from the Bachelor. I was like, how did you know him?

[A]

You're like, what?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm like, I'm not going on a show with the D squad. Like.

[B]

I'm dead.

[A]

Like, I know only a couple people have been like, oh, we're huge traders fans. And, like, if you knew the horse's mouth, you'd be like, okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's like. But I didn't have anything going on. I'm like, I had done a literal vibrator ad, which, thank God you can get money from that. But I had no idea where my career was going. So I'm like, okay, if this is the only thing I have to look forward to as an ad for Bellesa, I hate to give them free press, but thank you for the money when I really needed it. Yeah. Yes. And so finally I was like, okay, I'll do it. They had one in Emmy. I did the vibrator ad, and I was like, I gotta get back on tv.

[B]

And this was it. This was your. That's what paid more, the vibrator ad or traders?

[A]

No, honestly, good question. The traders did, but at that point, my rates were really low.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay. Cause I was like, no, you are like the it girl on that. So it, like, changed your life. Like traders.

[A]

Yeah. No.

[B]

Third time.

[A]

Yes. It's like, making my career right now. Thank you. I don't think I'm an it girl. You are.

[B]

No, you are. You're so hard to track down. You were on las call to Ristas, which is like, literally, that Mariah Carey, Ariana Grande, Lady Gaga.

[A]

Because you know what? I said no to them too.

[B]

The power of no.

[A]

I say no to everything. They were like, I really think you should do this. And then I looked on. Cause I'm like, people who want me again. I'm like, maybe not the D squad, but the C squad. Like, I've never been wanted in my whole life. I'm like, I've been on TV for three years, but I know nobody watches the Bachelor. But when they asked me on and I looked, I looked at what guests they had on, and it was literally Ariana Grande, Chapel, Roan. So I'm like, wait, did you not.

[B]

Know about him before?

[A]

Kind of like I knew about Bo and Yang because of snl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm like, you know, ma' am. Yeah, so. But no. Yeah. Then it was like, the best thing ever.

[B]

Wait, I'm so gagged that you're here then because you say no to so many things.

[A]

Trisha. I never thought this would happen. For real. Even saying your name, I'm like, I.

[B]

Thought that was you because we had you scheduled. And then, like, your dog got sick. But then in my head, I take everything personal where I'm like, she never wants to come on. I'm never asked, which is just in.

[A]

My head, always, no. My dog's supposed to be dead by now. You literally asked me and I'm like, should I say no? Or should I just go on not.

[B]

Knowing what's gonna happen?

[A]

No, when you asked.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

For the first time, and I'm, like, all puffy eyed. I'm like, I'm not gonna look good. So hopefully she asked me to come back on again. And the fact that he lived through that, I'm like, this is all for nothing.

[B]

What if you never asked me to come on? I wouldn't have. I fear rejection more than anything. But you actually had sent me a message and I was like, oh, my gosh. This was, like, so nice. I like, talk about it. I talk about everyone because I'm like, everyone, Oscar, Moses. I have no other friends, but I literally am just like. I was just like. I don't know. I'm, like, nervous. Maybe she doesn't want to come on. Maybe she feels like she needs to do it because I asked or whatever. But not knowing you, I guess you want to do things just because you never.

[A]

Yeah, I have to be. Not for you. But normally I have to be asked, like, two, three times.

[B]

Oh, my God, I feel so honored. Yes.

[A]

That's why I was, like, the best.

[B]

I was so happy for you to, like, come back on again. Okay, so you've done. Okay, so, like, starting back, I guess. So you were like, just like you were a nurse for, like, all your 20s.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then Covid doing. You're a nurse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cheerleader, all this stuff like that. But you don't. I feel like you've been around for so long, but you've really only been, like, five years on, like, TV and stuff, right?

[A]

Yeah, only like four.

[B]

When did you do the Bachelor?

[A]

At the end of 2021. It aired 2022, I think January of 2022. That whole year I did Bachelor, Bachelorette, Dancing with the Stars, and then I went on tour, and then I was like, a year off. And then I was like, I cannot be doing vibrator ads for the rest of my life, so I gotta go back on tv.

[B]

Oh, my God. Wait, that is so. What do you Think is the biggest fandom that you've encountered? Like Bachelor Nation. Traitors. Lesbians.

[A]

Yeah. I know how much you love lesbians.

[B]

I do. That lesbian crowd's my favorite.

[A]

No. Yeah. I'm a les.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think so.

[B]

I didn't know if it was, like, bi queer.

[A]

Right. I mean, it's like, what's the difference? Yeah. I don't know. You know, I'm married to a woman. It's like, you know. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

I committed to the lesbian now. Yeah. I love it.

[A]

It has a better ring. It's like we're leading the lgbtq. We lead the Alphabet with the L's.

[B]

So true. All the good shows are lesbian shows. I love lesbians. Like, the L Word and girls and, like, you know, they're just, like, my favorite. If they had, like, a lesbian housewife show, I'd watch it.

[A]

Yeah. I think they should make a Housewives of Silver Lake where everyone's gay and poor.

[B]

That would be so everything. But also kind of, like, fashionable over there, too, and edgy with coffees and.

[A]

And lesbians are messy.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Actually, that'd be so good.

[A]

They're all each other.

[B]

I mean, that would make the greatest TV show. The Mormon Wives would never. You know what I mean? Well, they do kind of the new season. They're talking about all licking each other's and stuff. It's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a whole other world. But anyways. All right, so. But you. Okay, so wait. That's so wild. So what makes you go from, like, nurse to, like, reality TV star?

[A]

Yeah, I was a nurse during the pandemic. I was working, like, 80 hours a week. I wanted to get away from bedside nursing just because it was so grueling and, like, traumatizing. So I moved to LA to travel, nurse, and then my cheerleader friends, which I don't have anymore. Don't worry, I know you have no friends.

[B]

Me and my best friend, McKenna. Cheerleading friends.

[A]

Yes. They nominated me, like, years ago, and I had said no because I was like, I want to be a nurse and a cheerleader. Hello. I didn't know. The, like, says no one ever, like, please don't.

[B]

Wait, but that's iconic that you wanted to just do that. And now not the Bachelor.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I always wanted to be a professional dancer, but I just, like, never had the real technique to ever, like, really make it. And thank God it's like, whatever. It's a toxic culture and stuff. Then I got to do Dancing with the Stars.

[B]

But wait, how did you get that then. Because you didn't win your season of the Bachelor.

[A]

And then I was the Bachelorette.

[B]

The double Bachelorette. So are you Dancing with the Stars in between that time after the Bachelorette? Oh, wait, you did in the same year.

[A]

All in the same year.

[B]

Bachelor, Bachelorette. In the same year.

[A]

Yes. Cause Bachelor, Bachelorette, they cast and they film so fast.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

And then you're engaged on Bachelorette, Then they ask you to Dancing with the Stars. Are you still engaged at this point when you're doing Dancing with the Stars?

[A]

Half of the way. And then we broke up. Yeah. We worked it in to, like, the package is what they call the little interview before you dance. Like, how do I talk about this? And then it's like, obviously, then you don't really have to answer any questions. It's like, this is what, you know, this is what happened. Moved on.

[B]

Oh, the breakup was incorporated in the package.

[A]

Yeah. And now I'm a lesbian.

[B]

And now I'm married, which. Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

How did that happen? Marriage going bachelor to lesbian? Like, that's crazy.

[A]

I mean, you tell me after you have 26 boyfriends, you're like, this ain't it. You got a good one. Moses is giving. Lesbian.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Both of you. Yes.

[B]

We're here to get fluid. We're fluid in our gender and sexuality, both of us. So that's what I loved about him, because I can never be with, like, straight, like, man. Like, no. Never.

[A]

Yeah. And you're Jewish, right? So is.

[B]

He's fluid and everything. Oh, because your wife is Jewish, too. Yeah.

[A]

And they're the best. They make the best partners, like Jewish men. And my. My wife is basically like a man.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. I saw that. What was your last episode called? The Hubby. Hubby Baby.

[A]

Robbie.

[B]

Wifey. I love that you call her that. And so everything.

[A]

She's everything.

[B]

And I love that you got her matzo on the set. One of her sets. She's like, the. Was it matzo ball? Was you got it? Or matzo bread?

[A]

Yeah. Like cracker. Yes, like a cracker.

[B]

Yeah. She's like, why did they give this to me? Because I'm Jewish. You're like, no, because I told them you, like.

[A]

I know. Literally. She was like, is this racist? And I was like, I didn't even think of that. I thought you would just be so excited to see. Yeah, it's like her favorite thing. She doesn't really snack. And I'm like, I have her clocked.

[B]

You're like, give her a Matzah. It's not a stereotype. It's good. I love it. Yeah. Are you doing all the holidays with her now?

[A]

We do sometimes. We've done Passover before, like, last year. Whenever we have the time. And occasionally we'll do, like, Shabbat.

[B]

Okay. Oh, that's so cute. You have it on Fridays. You, like, host and cook and everything?

[A]

No, just us. We'll cheers, we'll say the prayer. And we say a prayer every night.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love that. That's actually so cute. So how. Okay, so then from Bachelor, how long did you meet? Was Robbie the first girl you dated?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, that's so wild. So do you think you always knew or was it she? It was just you fell in love with the person, so you're like, okay, this is where I'm going now.

[A]

I think it's kind of both. Like, I remember right before. So I went on Dancing with the Stars tour and I was like. I don't know, like. And I was moving to la and I didn't know how I was going to date or what was going to happen, but I was living with my parents, like, in their basement all through that year. After filming, I'd go home and I remember before I would fall asleep, I'd be like, what if I'm gay?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And, like, I wasn't, like, really inundated with a lot of gay culture. Like, I grew up in the Midwest, had no idea what the L word was. I was exposed to maybe, like, two lesbians.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And they were like, all, like, kind of crunchy, gross granola. Colorado. I'm not that.

[B]

Oh, that's where you're from? Colorado?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And Illinois.

[B]

What part of Illinois?

[A]

O' Fallon.

[B]

Oh, really? Yes. I didn't know. Yeah, I'm, like, from, like, Rockford, Chicago. Like northern. A little north. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's wild. I didn't know that because I saw it was Sacramento, Denver. I didn't see the Illinois part to it. Yes. Okay. So you have the Midwest there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Midwest husbands are very different than the ones out here. For sure.

[A]

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. We're, like, kind of heteronormative.

[B]

I never heard of that term. What does that mean?

[A]

It's like, she's a boy and I'm a girl. Oh. It feels like very.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

But also, just like being in a relationship where you love the other person, it doesn't feel any different. It just feels better. Yeah. You know, like, I feel like she really accepts me. Like, I've never felt so much love. But yeah, I was like, I. In the beginning, I obviously was, like, thinking about, like, the gay stuff and what it meant, but now I just feel like we're just in a relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm sure I'll go, like, in and out, you know, of. Of like, trying to figure out, like, lesbianism. Right.

[B]

You know, that's a whole new world, I feel.

[A]

And, like, what it means. Cause people are like. It's more of like the experience. Like, there's a queer experience. I'm like, well, I'm straight.

[B]

Wow. Interesting. I know what you mean.

[A]

Like, you're like, we use a strap on. Like, I don't know.

[B]

That's what I was. No, please. I love that you're so open because.

[A]

I. I don't know what your audience is like, but, like, okay, this first. Okay. Yeah, they like, strap on, strap on, Strap on.

[B]

My audience, like, literally when I go shows, I was telling my last Hot Topics. I'm like, I think it's like 80% lesbians, which I love. Like, I knew I had a lot of girl audience, but, like, most of them are lesbians. And I'm like, this is everything in gray. Oh, my God.

[A]

Thank God.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's the best. So they'll, like, love it. And my photographer, too. Full on lesbians. So I always ask her. Cause, like, I would consider myself, like, queer. And I love girls, but I was never good at the sex part, so I'm always so curious.

[A]

What do you mean you weren't good at the sex part?

[B]

Well, I always thought it was just scissoring. But then every lesbian I talked to is like, no, it's not worth it.

[A]

I'm still begging to scissor.

[B]

You haven't done it?

[A]

Not really. It's like kind of a myth. It's like, do we actually scissor?

[B]

I don't think you do. Cause I tried for, like.

[A]

Oh, not with the legs. It's. It's more of a.

[B]

Like this, right? Like more on top of each other. Yeah, not so much. Cause I was always to the side and just kind of like pushing my legs there, and it just did not. I wasn't good at it.

[A]

No. And like, legs flying. Like, you still need to be, like, face to face. I feel.

[B]

Yeah. To kind of like, feel that, like, the grinding of it all. Not so much pushing, you know, just bumping puss together. But I love it. I love that you're like. I love that you're open about it because it is. So that's what I didn't know about me. When I was exploring my sexuality, I was just like, I don't know. I love women, but I'm like, I don't know if I'm good at sex, but to be fair, I'm not good at sex with guys either. I do just lay there.

[A]

So. No, same. Yeah. No, I'm vanilla. I'm a starfish. I'm like, oh, my God, I gotta do something different. Maybe.

[B]

But it's kinda fine.

[A]

I think it's fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If we're both getting what we need.

[B]

That's what I think too. Having to be so crazy on a swing or on top or something nuts is insane, right?

[A]

No, I don't have the energy.

[B]

It's so much.

[A]

Yeah. At the end of the day, like, no way to be like, what are we gonna do? That crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, I need it under five minutes, probably.

[B]

Oh, my God. Thank you for saying that. I always say ours is like seven minutes. Like, that's it. And I was like, I don't know. How much longer do you need?

[A]

Right. Yeah. So let's get it done.

[B]

Especially if you eat and stuff, too. It's just like all of. It's like a lot. You know what I mean?

[A]

But, yeah.

[B]

Okay. So how long after Dancing with Stars do you meet Robbie?

[A]

Like, a year and a half.

[B]

So that's some time after the breakup.

[A]

Yeah. Was it. Oh, my God now or. No? Okay, I did. I did Dancing on the Stars. End of. No, it was maybe six months. End of 2022. I went on tour until March of 2023, and then I met Robbie in May.

[B]

Oh, my God. And did she see you on TV or you saw her on TV or how did it work?

[A]

She saw me on tv. But also, we just met outside of a lesbian bar. We should go where's the lesbian by.

[B]

Yes, I know. Yeah.

[A]

No, it was a lesbian night. It was semi tropic, which, like, they' giving other than, like, the lesbian night. But yeah, my friend who's gay was like, we should go try and meet girls. Whatever. I was exploring, so. And she was outside the bar. My friend's girlfriend recognized Robbie from her comedy and just kind of wingmanned it. And I was like, I don't even know what a lesbian is, like, who I'm looking at, but, like, I'm very interested in this girl.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, at first sight.

[A]

Yeah. And she, like, laid it on thick. She's like, I'm not gonna lie, Gabby. I want Your number. She had mad game. I know.

[B]

Yeah. Super swaggy y watching your podcast last night with her, I was just like, well, obviously hacks. You said on the podcast, everyone's like, okay, now she's blown up so big. Cause of hacks. But the minute you see her on screen, you're just like, damn, Totally everybody.

[A]

Yeah. There's no one else in the world like her.

[B]

Wow. So you saw her and you're just like, wow. And she just got married pretty quickly. Like a year.

[A]

Yeah. Like, Yeah, a year and a half.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I know. Which is kind of slow for lesbians.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Yeah. Normally they're like six months. She was proposing probably three months in. And I'm like, I need time. I need time.

[B]

I know. You said no to that too. Yeah.

[A]

You love saying no to everything.

[B]

Yes. But there is, like, if you wrote.

[A]

A psychology behind it, I was just.

[B]

Say there's like power in it. Because look at you, like, thriving in every aspect of life. Saying no.

[A]

Yeah. That I was once told, which stuck with me. That's like, your career is made by what you say no to.

[B]

Oh, my God. Who said that?

[A]

And I love to say no inherently, I love that.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I know. At this point it's like, finally I'm at the level where I can say no. Because, like, at the beginning, you would have to say, yes, yes, yes. Get yourself out there. But at my core, I do not like to be social at all.

[B]

You don't like to leave the house.

[A]

This I like.

[B]

Yes. I think podcasting is great for that reason because it gives me my social. And then I'm like, I'll never want to see anyone ever again.

[A]

Totally. If it has to do with work, it's like two birds with one stone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then that's good enough.

[B]

Oh, have you always been like that?

[A]

Kinda. I don't think. I think I was too afraid to, like, own it. I'm like an introvert, you know, so. And everybody else is going out. I'm like, oh, what's wrong? Wrong with me? I'm just so tired. But I like quality time.

[B]

Yeah. Like one on one. Even in your 20s, were you like that too?

[A]

Well, then I was a cheerleader, so. But I was. I was getting social interaction through practice. I see, through nursing. And I would, like, go out, you know, because I didn't know what the else to do in my 20s.

[B]

Yeah. So you're like, okay, I'll do something. At least you went out. I was like, staying at home, just locking Myself in my apartment, but.

[A]

Well, you did some other crazy in your 20s.

[B]

I was doing so much crazy, but alone in my apartment. I was just, like, not even partying with anyone. I'm like, let me just do something in my bathroom floor, you know, by myself. It was very weird and very awkward. But you are a social person because then also a bachelor. Did you get along with girls on the show?

[A]

Yeah, I'm such a girls girl, like, at heart, thinking about it. Robbie and I will watch, like, she loves to watch Sister Wives.

[B]

Love it, love it. I love clips of it. I've watched the whole thing. But I love the idea of it.

[A]

It's like, so now we're on Poly Family.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Is that the spin off?

[A]

It's not the spin off, but it's kind of the same idea. But it's not just one guy. It's like two couples that quad, and they're, like, kind of all intermixed, and they have kids and stuff. And I was watching. I was like, why is this giving the Bachelor? Yeah.

[B]

You know, are they, like, eliminating people? Like, what's happening? Giving roses? Literally, like, you gotta go.

[A]

You're not good enough. But it's like sister wives, where you make friends with all the girls. Like, all the girls have a relationship as this, as the sister wives, you know?

[B]

I see.

[A]

Because you're surrounded by them. And I think it's our natural nature as women to just, like, support each other. We'd be like, oh, my God. Yeah. Did you make out? Like, do you want to borrow something? Like, go through my closet for your next date?

[B]

Wow. I would think it'd be the opposite. Like, don't touch my. Like, this is my man you're dating. You know? But it was opposite for you.

[A]

Yeah. No, because I didn't give a About him, and maybe because I'm a lesbian.

[B]

But not at the time. Right?

[A]

No, but it's like, kind of like the same thing internally.

[B]

You kind of. Yeah, you're kind of like. So you were not attracted to the first bachelor, which you guys were talking.

[A]

On Thursday, which I think Gabby went to coffee.

[B]

I don't think it's a bad thing. No, that's what I'm like. I don't.

[A]

I meant to call him something else.

[B]

Yeah. Toes. We were saying toes are not bad.

[A]

No, it's literally not bad.

[B]

I don't think that at all. I called someone a toe, and then he's like. I'm like, who else said that? He's like, okay. He's like, oh, yeah, like, it's not a bad thing.

[A]

I know. And he was like, you're bullying me. I'm like, oh, my God. I called my manager and I was like, is he gonna sue me for defamation? I thought he was gonna go full Amber heard on my.

[B]

And I was like, oh, my God.

[A]

I'm actually so scared because his response to me was so dramatic.

[B]

Did you respond after that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, you did? I thought I saw your response back to him.

[A]

No, it's fine. It kind of took a turn. But, you know, I. The. What I. Which, like, what I said, if I have a take about sticking up for other women, then I'll say it. I'm not just gonna, like, go back at him. But it's like, first of all, people were like, you can talk on your ex boyfriend.

[B]

Yes, absolutely.

[A]

And even at the end of the clip, I owned him. I was like, and that's my man. I wasn't know. Like, I brought it back around.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. You were, like, proud.

[A]

Yeah, totally. Like, I admitted fully that on the show, you, like, gaslight yourself into loving this person. So I didn't even deny any of that, but. And then he made that crazy video, and I was like, well, if you really want to go there, like, you exploited my sex life on tv. You talked about that part. Yes. Like, without my consent, coming from a man, it's like, we. You have so much power over us normally, and, like, you're not going to want to go there with me.

[B]

That was crazy that. I see. I forget about that because we did talk about that, like, a while ago on the Hot Topics when it came out, and I was like, that's actually insane to say. Like, what you did with somebody. Like, I would have said way worse about him and still continue to. Like, that's crazy.

[A]

That's what everyone says. And I'm like, I'm gonna get sued.

[B]

Is this the one that you ended up with for your season of Bachelorette that you are engaged to or. No, this is the original Bachelorette.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, so the one that you ended up with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's not the toe.

[A]

No. But he could be classified as a toe head. I heard you guys talk. Talk about it.

[B]

Y. And it's like, blonde.

[A]

Is the spelling. Is it T O E or t o W?

[B]

T O E? Probably.

[A]

I think the nail of the toe is the blonde hair.

[B]

Yes. The flesh. That's what I say. It's all kind of flesh colored. You're okay with him?

[A]

I mean, we're not okay, but what happened?

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I Mean, he just didn't have his together. He was like, he didn't have a job. He didn't want to get a job. And that was basically it. I'm like, how are you gonna go on a TV show?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bamboozle me into thinking you're a normal person and then get off the show and you no income.

[B]

Do you think he was relying on the show to get income? Like, to be an influencer?

[A]

Yeah, but men cannot be influencers. It's like, hello. Nobody wants to buy anything from you. Like, you can be a hot dude.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But that can only get you so far.

[B]

You're so right. There's not one thing a man has shown that I'm like, I need to buy that.

[A]

Yeah. No, we're not buying, like, razors.

[B]

Was he trying to do, like, of or something?

[A]

Maybe else like, that I would have been fine with, you know? Cause at least he would have had, like. Like subscriptions and income. Yeah. But no, he was just, like, waiting for brand deals, I think.

[B]

Oh, ick.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's an ick.

[A]

Totally. The double standard is he would eat my leftovers in the fridge at night and not tell me. And in the morning, I would go for them and be an empty box. He would leave the box in there.

[B]

Is that why you broke up?

[A]

Yeah, among other things.

[B]

Oh, my God. No, that's bad.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like, our goals weren't aligned. Like, meeting Robbie, like, as a woman, we just have our together. She's so driven. She's so smart. We're gonna push each other in our careers. And, like, he just didn't even know what that meant. Yeah.

[B]

Night and day. Cause I was listening to guys interview. Was she acting when you met her? Robbie?

[A]

She had done a couple things, and maybe just getting into acting, but not like this.

[B]

Yeah, she's, like, sold a show to hbo.

[A]

She said, like, she sold shows before.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

She's a really talented TV writer. She has an Emmy.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

For what show she wrote? It's a kid show. Odd Squad.

[B]

Oh. Oh, my gosh. Yes. That. We just went to a birthday party for Odd Squad. Molly, like, her kids. Yeah, they love that. Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She wrote for that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

And one in Emmy. Yeah. She's really talented. She's been in the industry forever.

[B]

And you don't feel also. Because you're also booming right now. How do you guys feel? Does it feel like competition? Do you see each other? Do you, like, how do you. How does it work?

[A]

I think in the beginning, I had never been with someone like that, so, like, naturally, I was feeling the competition aspect. But now, as I become more secure in my relationship and watching her succeed and have everyone seen what I see in her? I'm like, this is just what happens when you're with a special person. Like, obviously, everyone is going to see. And like I said, she's so driven. She doesn't want to stop. She wants to take acting really seriously, see what she can do with it. So I'm like, damn, that's my girl.

[B]

Yeah. So you're like.

[A]

Or my man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or my man. Or my man.

[B]

I love that you have both with her, which I think is so great. No, you said something so amazing, too. You said the way you grew up and stuff, you were always looking for, like, attention, and you weren't used to, like, free validation, just someone just giving you validation because you're you. Yeah. And I thought that was, like, the most beautiful thing. How did you grow up? Because you kept. You referenced that a lot. You're like, how I grew up, how I grew up. But then you said you lived with your parents, so it's relatively okay.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. My mom. I live. My parents were divorced, so I spent most of the time with my mom growing up, and now we don't have a relationship.

[B]

Curly.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, and my dad, he was definitely present, but. And it was, like, every other weekend or, like, summers, but he's been. Been supportive, and that's who I went back to live with and stuff. But, like, growing up, my mom was just. She had her own going on, you know, she was just never gonna be in a good place to be a mother. And, like, she didn't pay attention, you know, she. All that stuff.

[B]

So, like, nothing. Like, oh, she just working a lot, and you're just, like, left to your own.

[A]

Yeah, she was working a lot. Or even if she was home, she was, like, always kind of like, she would, like, lock herself in the. In her room or she was always on the computer. Like, even now she has a relationship with my sister's kids. And, like, she'll be on her phone the whole time. Like, she just doesn't have awareness, you know, among other things. And she was, like, emotionally abusive. Like, kind of talked down to me, like, all of that.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

So then, yeah, getting in relationships, it brings up all of that. So I'm like, why am I acting this way? But Robbie's been, like, so supportive, and.

[B]

Now you just feel, like, content. Just, like, peace. You don't have to like, fight for attention or like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you feel like that with your other relationships?

[A]

Like, not even. Because I didn't even want attention from them. Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When it came down to that, I'm like, I don't even like you. But I felt like I was anxious, attached in the beginning. I'd be like, do they even like me? Like, because I wasn't secure in myself, I'd be like, oh, I don't know why they like me if they do or nothing were to validate me. But Robbie's, like, so different that she made me feel special right from the beginning.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. That's why you fell in love. It's like, how is married? Like. Cause you just got married, you. You got legally married, like, April, and then January, you had the ceremony.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. So how does it feel?

[A]

Amazing. It's like, the best thing ever.

[B]

Okay. I love when people are so. For marriage, we're like, it's just a piece of paper. It's just this. What is your argument? Pro marriage. I love it. I love being married, too.

[A]

I think, also. Which nobody's gonna like to hear this, but, like, being mentally unwell, like, having a commitment and knowing that someone is down to commit, like, their life to you feels good. Like, that's the security that I want and need. Like your is trapped.

[B]

Y. Y contract. Exactly.

[A]

Like, I like the contract.

[B]

Me too. You know something just like you said, it feels committed. It feels really. Not one foot out the door just in case. Yeah.

[A]

And I feel that too, because I will try and, like, run. Or I'm the one who, like, kind of always had one foot out the door or something.

[B]

So you also have to be committed.

[A]

Yes. Now I'm like, okay, let's work through it, and then it's fine.

[B]

Do you guys have any arguments?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really? Yeah.

[A]

We're two girls. We're so drama. Wait around our periods, it's like, you would not believe.

[B]

Wait, is that real?

[A]

Did you hear about it? Is that real?

[B]

Oh, my God. So what would be an argument?

[A]

I mean, anything, really. Like, I'll take things personally. Just if I'm in a bad place. So I'm like, I don't know. I'll call her out. Be like, why aren't you paying attention to me? You're on your phone too much. And, like, stuff like that. Or if I'm. If she's really stressed out and I feel like she's not paying. Being sweet with me because she has a demeanor. You know what I mean? And her family Coming to visit, she's like, pretty. Like, not rough with them, but straightforward, you know? But I'm like, I'm different. Like, I want you to be sweet with me.

[B]

Yeah, but that's like, almost like the insecurity of your mom. Then, like, being on the phone and stuff, which is so interesting.

[A]

Oh, yeah, totally. That's true. Yeah. Do you guys fight ever?

[B]

Not anymore. When we first did, yeah, we did. But now I think he just knows I'm always right, so we never fight.

[A]

And that's the thing. It's like, that is the one thing with being with a girl. It's like, can't you just tell me I'm right? Because she's also kind of a contrarian at heart. Like, she'll just. She's kind of a naysayer. She's a Sagittarius and she's a talker. So it's more interesting if she has the opposite point. But I'm like, you can just agree with me. It's literally not that deep.

[B]

Maybe you learned that over the time of marriage. I mean, we've only been married four years, but I think over time he just kind of knows because we. We would go back and forth a lot. And I'm just like. Like, just stop. And I say, I'm like, just stop arguing. Like, I am, like, right now we know when to stop, and that's where it's at. But that makes. Okay, well, that makes sense, though. So being married now was a couple months visit. A Vegas wedding cheer.

[A]

Thank you. See through it.

[B]

People were like, how? Why?

[A]

Like, what was it like going topless at your wedding? I'm like, you know what? I never thought of it like that.

[B]

It was. It was, and I loved it. Was it a decision you made, like, on purpose? You're like, I just don't want to wear a bra today.

[A]

No, I never want to wear a bra.

[B]

Same.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm like, never wearing a bra.

[B]

Same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have these huge, like, pasties right here that cover my nipples. Because I'm like, I never want to wear it.

[A]

Yes. I'm always nipping out. So I'm like, what? Like, on all the shows that I've been on, they'll chase me with pasties.

[B]

Wait, really? Yes.

[A]

And I'm like, get the away trailers.

[B]

No, I guess that was I.

[A]

And this is what I've learned recently is I would, like. I don't want them to feel weird about talking about my nipples, like, the production style to come up. So I would wear pasties. But One time I saw Sierra nipping out, and I'm like, that's gonna be me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So in the last episod, I didn't wear any. And then I was, like, on a shoot for something last week. It wasn't sheer, but it was definitely material where you could see. And I didn't offer them. Cause I'm like, whatever. Ask for forgiveness. See what they do. And I guess they were over the headset, like, what should we do about our nipples? Oh.

[B]

Cause I can't say. Cause it's weird to say something, too, right?

[A]

And then someone was like, well, I think that's kind of her brand. Yeah.

[B]

Have you seen your Instagram? You had the eggs and the toast and the tanning bag. I was like, literally.

[A]

But no, I asked, like, my stylist to kind find me a dress to wear, because I'm like, I don't want to look for a wedding dress. I didn't want it, you know, to be kind of a classic wedding dress. And then this is one of the ones they found. I'm like, should I wear pasties? And they're like, no.

[B]

Yeah. No. Oh, yeah. Pasty's dirty this year. No. Absolutely not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I hate that we can't show nipples. It's like, literally my.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or also that you'll get, like, TikTok will, like, take it down if you, like, show nipples. And I'm like, that's the craziest thing.

[A]

It's so crazy.

[B]

Like, men can fully just show nips.

[A]

Like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, they can totally go topless. So what the with.

[B]

And some people have huge boobs. Some guys have huge boobs. And it's like, that's insane that you can't. It's my face pet peeve. Because I would go topless all day, every day if I could.

[A]

Like. Yeah.

[B]

And I do not have nice moves. Mine are sagging. Mine are gross. And I still want to go topless all day.

[A]

No. All boobs are gorgeous. And we should. I mean, even Robbie has top surgery, you know? And, like. And I'll post photos of her in my Instagram, and people will be like, she's topless. It's like, oh, interesting.

[B]

And Instagram doesn't have a problem with that?

[A]

No. Okay, just, like, comment Karen's. And it's like, obviously you don't get it, you know, but. And, like, why can't we.

[B]

I know that part. It's like, oh, yeah. It's My biggest frustration always is, like, that we can't have that. Because it's like, why?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then with me so careful, like, it's my nip out, and people say, pull up your dress. Pull up your dress. I was like, oh, my God. It's like a nipple. It drives me nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How do we get on the nipple topic? Because I was, like, changing it. I was like, because your wedding dress. Yeah, but your whole. Your whole brand now is very sexy.

[A]

Very nipple.

[B]

Areola.

[A]

I thought you were like, Tech nine songs. Ariela, do you know that one?

[B]

Yes. It sounds like a oop, There It Is song. But that's a new one.

[A]

It's like that. No, it's old. You know Tech9. No, you don't.

[B]

A rapper.

[A]

I think they're a DJ. They have a couple of really good songs. Well, they have two. That one and a different one that's more popular.

[B]

What's the popular one?

[A]

I forget. It's something about, like, a liquor. I forget. Obviously. Ooh, Ariella is my favorite one.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

It's like that shirt fell off her shoulder, and then they go, oop, Areola.

[B]

It's like, oop, Ariel.

[A]

I can't believe you don't know. I feel like it's up your alley. I'll have to send it to you.

[B]

I don't have areolas. I got mine removed.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like I just saw one.

[B]

No, this is just. This is a pad. A gummy.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah, No, I got it. I got them removed, but not on purpose. Like, they took off the areola because I wanted them smaller, but they just left the nipple and no areola.

[A]

Oh, my God. So can you breastfeed? No problem.

[B]

No, and I feel nothing. You could, like, squeeze it as hard as you can. You could bite it with your teeth out. And I can't feel anything.

[A]

Oh, my God. That's terrible. Did you go back and you were like, like, what the.

[B]

No, you're like, what's done is done. What's done is done.

[A]

There goes my aerial.

[B]

I don't return anything at all. Like, I don't return clothes. Yeah, but I just want to. I want to get them done again. But I don't know if they could put it back on. I'm not really sure.

[A]

But you do, like, have it saved? No, I'm sure not.

[B]

No, they didn't tell me. They didn't tell me.

[A]

You just woke up and you're like, holy. Where's my areola?

[B]

Yeah, it's just, like, a nip and, like, a bunch of stitching around it. Like they just like. And they're uneven. So they're just like. It's crazy.

[A]

Oh my God. I have a friend who's naturally googly eyed. Oh, okay. Like this. Okay. It's not bad. I like it.

[B]

Yeah, it's kind of funny. It did well on like, of when I did it. Cause I was like, Frank. Everyone's like, oh my God, there's stitches and there's this.

[A]

It's like, it looks crazy, but that's amazing.

[B]

Yeah, but the nipple gait. But then I had to look up your age.

[A]

Cause I was like, don't say it. You can't say it. No, I won't.

[B]

I thought you were like literally like 21 or 22. And then I looked up your age and I was like, I love that you're just showing all your body, not caring and just like, you look amazing, obviously, but you're in people's most beautiful. Like this month, was it or last month.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So gorge. All these photo shoots. If you go to your Instagram, just like literally just, just your body and just showing it all off. And I'm like, I wish I could like, be like that again. Like, I miss being that. I'm just so insecure about my body now. But I love that you just show everything off.

[A]

It's like, sex sells. Yeah, I'm like, like, let's be real. Like, I'm just trying to make a buck.

[B]

Really?

[A]

That's so cool.

[B]

Yeah, I always just think you just want to be like naked all the time.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, that's really.

[B]

Make a dollar. Totally.

[A]

In all my meetings, I'm like, let's not beat around the bush. Like, this is my brand because it sells, so don' I have one brand that we're kind of like back and forth with and they're, they're like Christian or conservative or whatever. They're like a huge. It's like an umbrella. And at the top and they were like, can she take down her Edie Parker post? My post? And I'm like. But then I'm like, well, if I take that down, the next post is my tits out on my wedding day. So what are they gonna have to like, make me take down my wedding photo?

[B]

Yeah, they'll censor you forever. Like half. It's like the last episode. They'll just censor you forever. You gotta stop it at some point.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But then, because you know which, like, knock on wood. People.

[B]

I don't know what, somewhere. Yeah.

[A]

People are like, I think you Know, in the older or not older, but, like, earlier days of Influencing, they wanted you to be very, like, clean girl. Like, have a message like this. You know, you had to be, like, brand friendly. Yeah. But I feel like I've kind of created my own lane that people are like, okay, this is just her.

[B]

Which is interesting because you come from Bachelor and Dancing With Stars Disney. So I'm like, yeah, that doesn't seem like, like, the transition, which was, like.

[A]

Intentional, because I knew I had to get away from that, and it wasn't intentional, but I'm like, this just isn't me. Like, not that I was being someone else on Bachelor because I was very much myself. Like, same storyline, whatever, like, empowered woman I'd been through and. But their audience wanted you to be a certain way.

[B]

Yeah, very.

[A]

When you were like, yeah. What's your audience like with Traders? Or. It's like, the gays, like, they will stick with you. You too. Like, they're gonna rally around you is the best thing.

[B]

It really is. And now I fear everyone's trying to get that because they know that audience. So now everyone's just trying to be gay icons. And I'm like, but you can't. You can't just choose to be. They have to choose you.

[A]

You know what I mean? And they have good taste.

[B]

Yeah. So everyone now is trying to get on, especially now that we're having Black Pride season. You know, all the companies are just.

[A]

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, totally.

[B]

Which, I mean, you're already ahead of it, though.

[A]

Because I'm gay.

[B]

You're like, I'm there. No, it's really cool. It's really cool to see, like, just your whole, like, evolution of everything. So back to Traders. We'll go back to that. Because I'm like, so. So now it's been a couple months, but, like, during the height of it. Cause it was like, the biggest show on, like, television. Like, I mean, obviously people still love it, but, like, what is the experience, like, filming versus, like, seeing it come out?

[A]

Seeing it come out was way better. Filming was terrible.

[B]

Wait, why tell me? Maybe not want to do it. I'm like, no, actually, I don't want to do it.

[A]

No, but you're such a hard worker. Oh, my God. You on tour. Every time I see a clip, I'm like, when does she get a break?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And then you're doing the podcast two times a week still, plus your Patreon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, like, I already know your sign. Are you a Gemini?

[B]

Close. I'm a Taurus. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. No, that makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you like luxury?

[B]

Yes. Oh, I know. I work hard for the VIP Disney trips. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I do it for. What are you?

[A]

I'm a Capricorn.

[B]

When's your birthday? December.

[A]

January 2nd. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like it?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't feel like the overfit. Yeah. After Christmas being like, oh, you just get the, like, leftover, like, oh, we got this for Christmas and your birthday.

[A]

Like, I, like, don't mind planning my own birthday and I'll do it a couple weeks after.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[A]

Okay, So I don't have a problem with it, but. But yeah. No, the way you work, I'm like, oh, my God. And being pregnant, it's so crazy. So maybe you would love traitors filming 16 hour days.

[B]

Can I be honest? I don't think I would. I don't think I could do it for real. Because, like, physically, I was like, how the hell, like, running and all that you guys are doing?

[A]

I was like, you saw Iva. He could do it.

[B]

Oh, that's true. When I see the old British ones doing it, I was like. I was like, why did they put.

[A]

That interview where I was talking in his heart? Like, I think I was like, is he gonna make it or he's gonna cardiac arrest?

[B]

Well, you were just concerned.

[A]

No, I was legit concerned. And it wasn't even that. It was. He was having a knee problem and.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So I'm like, I think that was any better.

[B]

Well, you were concerned about the heart, which I would be too. I mean, I would be passing out for sure.

[A]

No. Yeah. And like, uphill and stuff. But I. I was ready to leave his in the desk. They're like, gabby, we can't do that. I'm like, no, you can sit out, like, one challenge. It's not gonna.

[B]

Can they do that? Can they opt to do that?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

I would sit out every challenge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because can I tell you, like, the challenges. Okay, you can. Like, the debate is up there for the fans. It's like the challenges don't really matter, right?

[A]

No.

[B]

So it's like, I think they need to have higher stakes, like immunity for the weak or something. Not 20,000, you know, I don't know. I would just be sitting out every challenge and it wouldn't matter because I'm not getting that coin. But who cares, you know?

[A]

Yeah, no, that's what everyone says. It's like. And they're casting, like, people who have been on TV for A while. So in the bug challenge, and Chrishell and Dolores took out their hands first, and then. And they were like, we'll give you $5,000. Like the money we lost.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like, can they do that? No, I'll just wire you the money.

[A]

They're like, if I can stay in.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I would do. Oh, my God. What was the hardest challenge?

[A]

Well, for me, it was the helicopter thing. I really thought it was a liability. I'm like, I can't say goodbye to my family. I could die. I couldn't have any fun. Cause I was afraid I was gonna fall to my death. I was like, in my head, okay, if we do fall, maybe Dylan will fall first. And I can maneuver myself. He'll take the blow.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's a smart idea, though, because you did go up with him. But he is heavy. I'd be scared because those helicopters in general. Helicopters, I have a fear of them. But like dangling from one, like one.

[A]

Rope, and you're just, you're just. It's two buckles. It's like just two buckles that you can go like this.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

And I'm like, is there any backup? Yeah, like, there's no plan B. There was no parachutes, nothing. I know. I'm like, this is a real liability. I don't know why you guys thought this was a good idea. So. So I sobbed and I had an emergency call with Robbie.

[B]

Oh, they let you. So you can talk to people. I'll tell you how I'll fix their thing. Right? Oh, thank you.

[A]

That was just too me.

[B]

No, I mean, you can. You can keep it. I don't know. Yeah. Wait, so you can talk? It looks fine like that.

[A]

Its head is crooked. But I just thought. I'm like, oh, this just mucky the.

[B]

Way that I'm supposed to talk in it. No, I don't know why. Keep it like that the whole time. And it's good. Keep it like that. I like it. It looks pretty. So you can talk to people during. You're not secluded with your. Without a phone.

[A]

Once a week, you don't have a phone. And I was like, break down. Crying, sobbing.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

They were like, okay, you can call her. Under control.

[B]

So Robbie helped you stay then?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And like, I mean, really, I'm like, if I. I'm so glad I wasn't a trader. But if I'm going to go back on tv, I want some screen time. You have to like, make the most of it cuz you don't know when these opportunities are going to come come. So I'm like, I just need to be here to max my episodes.

[B]

Wow, that was so smart. And then towards the end, like they really became like the star of the show, which is. Did you feel it at the time? Were you like, okay, this is how I'm gonna get to be like the star.

[A]

Not really.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because everyone else look traitors. I love. But like in general it can be doll, like you know, the dullness of it, like right.

[A]

But like not. I don't know. I don't know if people are really comfortable showing their personality to the fullest because they don't know if it's gonna be taken out of context or whatever. But I'm like, now I need to like, you know, you have to give some something for people to remember you by. Yeah, like you gotta make a splash. So in my interviews I would like I was telling law school, Teresa says, I do know nad. No, it's like the Biebers do it.

[B]

Is it a drug? What is it nad? I never heard of that.

[A]

Next time you're alone in your room.

[B]

Instead of do nad. Wait, really? Is it legal?

[A]

I do question the legality of it. It's like a vitamin, but it helps regenerate your cells. So it's an IV and I it like once a week, once every other week. And it literally makes you feel like you have so much concentration. You can do anything. You can get all your chores done and you're so mentally clear. So I was like obviously preparing to go on the show and I got a nasal spray of it and. And then so before every interview, I would like dope up with the nasal spray. Completely legal. This episode is brought to you by Selectquote. Life insurance can have a huge impact on our family's future with select quote getting covered with the right policy for you and is simple and affordable. Selectquote's licensed insurance agents will tailor your experience to find a life insurance policy for your needs in as little as 15 minutes. And selectquote partners with carriers that provide policies for many conditions. Selectquote they shop, you save. Go to selectquote.com SpotifyPod today to get started. This episode is brought to you by Factor.

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[A]

It just makes you so clear, like, so you can think faster. You can kind of be, like, on your feet, like, a little more witty. So I would do it before roundtables, too. I'd be like, come at me. Dylan Efron, you were so good.

[B]

You ate so hard, too. With everyone, like, calling people out. You're just so smart. Like, I would definitely be. We said this on last episode. I'd be that girl that, like, never voted the right way. Like, you were always on and the one that, like, ended up winning, like, never voted the right way. And I was like, damn, she made it so far, though.

[A]

Yeah, I know. It really doesn't matter. It's like a game of luck, they say.

[B]

Yeah, like, but you made it. You really didn't make it so far. When everyone I thought was gonna vote for you as a trait, you, like, really turned it around.

[A]

No, same. I had no idea. I'm like, I was not even on to you guys. And what the fuck, you know? I'm not a traitor. Like, you just don't want to win with me. Like, be honest.

[B]

That's so interesting. Do you think that's what it was? Because the girls really came after each other this season. I was just like, damn. The girl on girl hate was real.

[A]

Yeah. No, it was so real in the. In the turret.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, those two women, I was like, oh, my God. I felt so like you were eliminating you. I was like, what the hell's happening?

[A]

When Carolyn said that, it was like, mic drop. And she was like, we should all. I'll go for you, Danielle. It was amazing.

[B]

It was a good season. It was the best season by far for that reason. And then obviously, all the boys just being so out to lunch. Like, I don't think any of the guys knew what was happening. Tom, Zanova, Samoscari. I was like, do they know what they're playing? Like, no. So random. Was it like that in real life?

[A]

Well, the thing in real life is, like, you do. You don't know what's real or not. So at some point you could be like, is Tom Sandoval the smartest person in the room?

[B]

No. You'd never thought that. That's not why you thought that.

[A]

You'd be surprised. I'd be like, is he a savant at this one thing? Like, can he. Is he like a mind reader?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He's like a traitor hunter.

[B]

Oh, okay. So you.

[A]

But not really. It came and went fast.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Actually, no. Definitely not good try at it. What was the best part of Traders?

[A]

The best part was I'm like, the money that came way late that I had to beg for.

[B]

And then you said they did not love how you handled it. They were mad.

[A]

They. It was like, fine. But. But they stopped talking about this kind of. They did it really fast. I'm sure they just wanted. They're like, we're gonna handle this because we need her to shut the up.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Somehow TMZ came to the airport and, like, I found you.

[B]

Yeah. And danced your budget.

[A]

Yeah. And like, had insider knowledge. And I'm like, what is going on here? Like, who are your sources?

[B]

They're wild. They'll, like, know everything about everyone. Oh, my God, that's so crazy. So you had us with the money for four ways.

[A]

Yeah. Was just like. Right? It was like, whatever.

[B]

So then from there, after you do traders, obviously, it blows up everywhere. You're everywhere. How do you now navigate, like, where you're gonna go?

[A]

I just say no.

[B]

You say no because you said no to your podcast too, right? You said no to Long winded.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't. I'm like, there's just. Yeah. Nothing else to do. Everyone has a podcast. I guess I'll try and make it work. But coming off a bachelor, I'm like, I'm not just gonna have a podcast. And now it's like the best thing ever.

[B]

That's crazy because it has such an evolution. Because you started it a year and a half ago. Two years years ago.

[A]

A year ago in April.

[B]

Wow. Because it started with, like, guest based.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now it's just like your stream of consciousness. You're just like, you by yourself.

[A]

Just nuts.

[B]

Are you doing NAD before those too? Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, doping among other things.

[B]

Here we got like a cocktail.

[A]

And the first time I did it on Traders, it was so strong in my nose that I blew a blood vessel. Oh, my.

[B]

Oh, my God. Was it red?

[A]

Yes, it was so red. So I had to do it in my mouth after.

[B]

I would never do it again if it blew my eye vessel.

[A]

No, because the way it made you feel.

[B]

Oh, my. Oh, I gotta try it once I'm done music right now. I'll try it once. It's natural. I guess I could try it now. I don't know.

[A]

It's a vitamin.

[B]

Okay, so it's completely natural. You get over the counter.

[A]

But maybe. Wait.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I'm like giving medical advice to a pregnant woman. I'm like, no, I cannot be a doctor.

[B]

Nurse. I know. They already.

[A]

It's like, no, this is the one thing that's so funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because if it was up to me, I'd be chain smoking through my pregnancy.

[B]

I'd be like, it's prophylactic.

[A]

The baby's smaller. Like, I'm looking out for my pelvis.

[B]

Well, you announced a couple days ago. You're like, I do not want kids. So it's not happening. That would be. I know, it is crazy. I know. The whole. But even Air One smoothies, they tell you not to drink when you're pregnant.

[A]

That's so sketchy.

[B]

Yeah. Kali Uchi just came out with one day and I was like, so excited. But like, every time I try one, everyone's like, oh, this, this is not good for pregnancy snack. I'm like, what are we putting in our bodies that we can't have when you're pregnant?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. You know, you have to. You probably know, but you have to pay a lot of money to have an Air1 smoothie. I didn't know.

[B]

How do you know that they offer you one? I said no. They offered me one for free.

[A]

I said no.

[B]

I could see it. Cuz you are the demo for an Air1 smoothie. We always say you have to be like, tiny, attractive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

No. But I'm not the picture of health.

[B]

But you really are.

[A]

You look like mentally ill and just like, am always. That about my nicotine addiction.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that. Okay.

[A]

Mild.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And your mental illness is.

[A]

Is depression, anxiety, maybe a mood thing. I don't know.

[B]

A little bit of everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so back to the Air One. How do you know that I want to go back to mental illness too?

[A]

There's so much my publicist we were like, kind of talking about things because we did a little whatever kind of article with Interview Mag. And she was like, try and product pool for brands that you would maybe wanna work with. She's like, erewhon. And she's like, oh, my God, not Erewhon. You have to pay a lot of money to have an Erewhon smoothie. Like thousands of dollars.

[B]

What?

[A]

Tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah. Which makes sense. Look at the people who have them.

[B]

But why? What's the purpose? What's the point of paying for one?

[A]

I think, like, it's the prestige.

[B]

Erewhon's movie, maybe Jamba. It's nationwide.

[A]

Pregnant women.

[B]

Erewhon's is here in Southern California. How much publicity are you getting?

[A]

Yeah, but jambas aren $30. That's too affordable.

[B]

But that's what I'm saying. Jack, is everything.

[A]

No, they're way too affordable.

[B]

Moocow all day long. It's my favorite. Oh, my God. That's crazy. So. So you didn't say it in the interview that magazine. Then you were like, no product. What did you say for your product placement?

[A]

Oh, well, I did a couple things. I did like a candle with boy smells because they're like a fun candle brand and I was supposed to do something with them, but it fell through. And then there's a different. Oh, Edie Park. I did like product placement because I already. And then I did a campaign with them.

[B]

Oh, so it worked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, that's crazy, because we talk about Domino's every episode and they never give us a sponsorship.

[A]

Damn, that's up.

[B]

Every episode?

[A]

Yes. I did one with Domino. Oh, my God.

[B]

I forgot every instinct of sponsors.

[A]

It was so crazy, too. It was the most chaotic concept. It was Domino's and a nail collab. Wait, what? I had pizza press on nails.

[B]

That's so perfect for me. Why were you so jealous? I was like, what is this?

[A]

But I needed the money or else I would have said, no.

[B]

No way. I'm not a Domino's fan.

[A]

I like John's.

[B]

I'm so shook. I'm so shook right now.

[A]

But I do like saying Domino's Dominoes.

[B]

To make it fancy. Domino.

[A]

So it hit.

[B]

Do you say it in the brandy? Yeah, that's fine. You misspelled. You mispronounce your name, but it's okay. Yes.

[A]

I was like that Italian restaurant down the street, Domino.

[B]

Oh, my God. People probably even know. Do they know it's a sponsorship? Did you have to disclose that? It was like, yeah, before Traders or.

[A]

After this Was this was after or before it aired? After. I filmed, like, last fall.

[B]

But that's.

[A]

They're always lurking in the comments and stuff. They need to pay up.

[B]

They never paid me, ever. I see them in so many. People get them all the time. And we just. I've talked about them for literally my entire life, and I've never gotten a sponsorship.

[A]

Well, maybe start talking about Papa John's.

[B]

We try to do that.

[A]

We try for switch gears, and then probably Domino's will come running because they're going to be like, we wish Trisha talked about us again.

[B]

Oh, my God, you're so right. No. I met even at my mean greet. The CEO's son of Domino's supposedly was in my mean greet. He's like, my dad runs Domino's. I was like, well, tell him to give me a brand deal.

[A]

Like, what the. I've been screaming.

[B]

No, I have a theory. Well, it's a right theory. They just don't really love fat people promoting their pizza because they don't want people to think you look like this. They want people to think like this. If you eat Domino's, you know?

[A]

No, it's so.

[B]

Yeah, but it's fine. It's like, maybe I'll do the Manjaro and I'll get the Domino's Pizza sponsorship.

[A]

What's Mojaro?

[B]

You don't know Manjaro? No.

[A]

What's Manjaro?

[B]

What? It's like, do you not know about JLP ones?

[A]

Oh, wait.

[B]

Oh, you don't know? Wait. This is like all that consumes my mind. I can't believe you don't know this.

[A]

Wait, I don't know. What is it? Manjaro.

[B]

Manjaro.

[A]

It's like off brand or is that the real brand?

[B]

It's like the. It's like a. It's a different version. It's like Oz epic. The celebrities do Manjaro. I think Meghan Trainer just admitted to doing Manjaro. Like, all the celebrities do it.

[A]

What's the difference? Is it cleaner?

[B]

I don't know. I think it's supposed to make you less sick or something like that. I think is the idea behind Manjaro, but not as intense as an Ozempic. But everyone gets very skinny on it.

[A]

But I mean, everyone. It's like, we know it, but everyone's on Ozempic. It's like, you see someone after you haven't seen them in six months, and you're like, okay, they didn't just get good Botox, right?

[B]

They got. Have you tried It. No, it's not everyone. You're not on it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You look great. You look so amazing.

[A]

It's anxiety. What does that do?

[B]

How does that help your body?

[A]

Well, it's like, I think my meds, like, affect my appetite, and they make me horny. I know.

[B]

Oh, my God. Can you say what? I guess you can't say what kind. I don't know.

[A]

What? Lamictal. It's like a mood stabilizer. I've tried everything, and this the one that works for me, and, like, I'm just constantly anxious. Like, so.

[B]

But the mood stabilizer makes you anxious too?

[A]

No, it makes it less. But, like, if I have something to do for work or if I have, like, a job coming up or like on Traders, everyone lost weight from the beginning to the end because we're, like, so stressed out. And so it's like, you know, it's directly related to how stressed I am with work. Oh, interest. I try not to work that much.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. That's why you're saying no to things. That's so wild. And there's nothing you can do to, like, reduce it. Like.

[A]

Like, I smoke.

[B]

Okay, so does that help?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, I. I eat a lot on it, but it's, like, fine. It's like, I don't have, you know.

[B]

So there's like, two different things happening.

[A]

I eat fine. I don't want to perpetuate anything.

[B]

Like, you guys.

[A]

It's fine. Like, it's probably genetic. Like, my dad is, like, very totally.

[B]

He has to disclose everything now.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

There's a lot happening then. So you have your mood stabilizer. That doesn't make you want to. Then you have the. For the anxiety.

[A]

Combat it. Like, I do not need an appetite stimulant. I'm just a pothead.

[B]

Like, so you get munchies on. But those are real. I don't know if I smoked properly. I don't think I know how to do it right, but I never got hungry.

[A]

You can't do it wrong.

[B]

No one, maybe.

[A]

Oh, you did too much.

[B]

No, I think. I don't know how to, like, swallow it. I always say this. Don't you have to swallow it? Like, I can't do it right because we used to do it together. And I would never get high. And I was thinking, like, you would.

[A]

Never get high because you don't inhale.

[B]

Yeah, I would like to, but I don't know how to. It scares me. Like, it burns my throat. I don't know. It Scares me.

[A]

No, it does burn.

[B]

It does burn.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Because I know it's.

[A]

But you develop a tolerance, and the burn goes away fast. You have to be dedicated to it. So if you don't want to get high that bad.

[B]

It sounded fun. If someone does it and I'm like, it sounds so fun.

[A]

Yeah, I love it.

[B]

That's why, like, sticking myself was easier, because I was like, well, it goes right to the veins. You know what I mean? It was a little easier having to inhale and wait. I'm like, what? Gummies? You gotta wait for it to kick in. You're just like. And even gummies wouldn't make me high. I think I really just have, like, an intolerance or, like, my weight or something. I don't know. Like, it just. Like, I had to eat, like, a whole bag to get something.

[A]

No, some people have an intolerance just naturally.

[B]

It's so wild.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so then mental. You talking about mental illness? You said the. Or. No. Mental health.

[A]

Lack thereof. No, I say mental illness. Like. Well, Gabby, speak on this board of mental health. I'm like, are they okay?

[B]

Like, I don't have.

[A]

And there's no aspect of it that's healthy.

[B]

Well, but you're the perfect advocate because you're, like, working.

[A]

Because I'm, like, up.

[B]

No, but thriving. Which is what people want. You know, I think that about myself. Yeah. I feel like I'm, like, a crazy person, but, like, I somehow managed to, like, succeed in life. So I think that's, like, the poster child right there. Yeah.

[A]

Honestly, inspiration.

[B]

Yeah. No, you, too. Because it's like, you're doing all of this stuff. You're sexy, you're on the COVID You're getting all these TV shows. You're, like, constantly, like, the star of every show you're on. So it's, like, wild to me that, like. Yeah, you. You should be the person speaking at a mental health conference.

[A]

Oh, thank you. Except it just makes you miserable. Like, now I'm like, I need to. Now I need to retire.

[B]

Wait, what part? Oh, the fame part or the. Yeah. Oh, really?

[A]

Well, I don't know. I say that, but it's like, we chase fame because we. It's like I'm missing something, you know? So it's like, that's just another sickness. So it's like, come on.

[B]

The seeking attention.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I always say that, too. Like, if I won the lottery. I play the lottery all the time. But I'm like, I don't know. I still. I love attention.

[A]

You Know, fame is different than money.

[B]

Yeah. Would you rather have same or money?

[A]

I mean, look, they kind of go hand in hand, but probably fame. I could do with more fame and less money than the opposite. Like, I actually don't need that much money. Like, I mean, you get accustomed to it.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm addicted to money, but I think I'm more addicted to fame. We talked about that, too. Like, if someone offered me 100 million to never post again, I don't know if I could, like, never post on social media again.

[A]

Yeah. Then I would really. It's like, it's parasocial. Like, these are my friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These are my people.

[B]

And what's the point of having money if you can't show it on social media? Like a house with water slides and no one sees it. I could never, could never. Did you always want to be famous when you were a kid?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

I think so. I wanted something. I knew I had to get out, but I was always a dancer, so I thought, like, that would kind of, you know, parlay into some kind of fame. Like, which is why I tried out for the Denver Broncos Cheers cheerleaders, like, three times. They were like, we don't want you.

[B]

Wait, really? They said no to you?

[A]

They said no?

[B]

Yes. And you kept going?

[A]

Yeah, and then I took a page out of their book.

[B]

And then what?

[A]

Yeah, you're like, no, no, no, Wait.

[B]

But how did you get on it then eventually? Did you have to, like, take classes? Did you get work done?

[A]

Like, yeah. Did you get your boobs?

[B]

Well, that'll do it.

[A]

I figured Botox. No, it was just like, they a bunch. It was after the super bowl, so they had a mass exodus of cheerleaders. So they had a lot. And they had a lot of openings. And I was getting nurse. They got a new director. So it wasn't all about your dancing. It was more about, like, the full package. Like, we want girls with careers who can also maybe dance, but also this. So it was like, right time, the.

[B]

Nurse, the cute face, all that stuff. But then you did Dancing with the Stars. How? What did you place on that second. Oh, wait, I didn't know that.

[A]

I know. I was the runner up who won Charli d' Amelio.

[B]

Oh, no, that's so. Oh, no, you. So that's like, not fair. She has a good dancer. I'm not saying that way, but, like, kind of not fair because she has 100 million followers.

[A]

I was set up for failure from the beginning, but my partner, Val Was like, like, don't think about that. Like, we can do this. We got this. I was like, you guys were all just gaslighting me from the beginning, which is fine. Being a loser is better for my brand and just like an underdog.

[B]

Well, now you're the winner of Traders. About. You ruined it.

[A]

But I had to split it with three other people. I'm like, this is so lame. We. We should have kicked. We should have kicked Iva out for sure.

[B]

Oh, he. He won with you guys? Yes.

[A]

And he didn't need the money. He's a royal. He's a macho.

[B]

Why did you keep going?

[A]

Because, like, Dylan felt too close to him and like by the end, oh my God.

[B]

That's why I'd be like, sorry. No, he was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Both of them are traitors. They're both out. Yeah.

[A]

Literally. And then if I would have thrown red, they would have been like, oh, but I'm a traitor. I think they would have flipped it on me because there was already close. Yes.

[B]

And that girl wouldn't have been on your side with you. The other winner.

[A]

I don't know, she was hard to.

[B]

Read because you kind of always knocked with the win. So she would have just been like, whatever.

[A]

I know. Like, don't vote for Tom. Like just stop voting for Tom.

[B]

She's like a personal vendetta. She's like, you out. She was, she was wild. Do you keep up in touch with her?

[A]

Yeah, no, she's nice.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And Dylan, you love him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ivor.

[A]

No, Iva's not on social media, thank God. Oh, yes. So I can talk him freely.

[B]

No email. You don't have an email. Yeah, no, but he's.

[A]

He's like. He's like fine, you know, but just in the game aspect of things, it's like he just didn't need the money. Like, that's why. Do you watch the other seasons with the civilians and stuff? Yeah, like they're so they need the money.

[B]

Yeah, of course. So they're gonna be like extra hard. That's not fair yet. Why are there. It's always like one old British person on the show. I know, but they said it's like a requirement. Right? There's like a requirement.

[A]

Someone said that film in the uk. Okay.

[B]

Maybe something that. Cuz I'm always like, why is that person there?

[A]

Literally?

[B]

It's so weird.

[A]

And I just thought it was a thing. Cuz it kind of hit the first season, but. Or the second one.

[B]

Oh, that little old guy?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. With the asthma they thought he was a trainer because he had asthma.

[B]

Like, I'm just old.

[A]

Yeah, that's actually so up. Like I talked about Iva's heart, but I wasn't like, he was a traitor condition. It's like he has an inhaler. So he's lying. Like, you think he's lying about not being able to breathe?

[B]

I mean, that's what's crazy about that show is people really do start thinking that way. They're like, absolutely you. Do you talk to Alan Cummings at all?

[A]

No, but I love him.

[B]

Oh, but that's so funny because he seems close. He seems like he invites the cast over to his.

[A]

I say no to everything.

[B]

Oh, so you don't know he's invited you and he said no.

[A]

Yeah. To like the club. Cummings, they had like weekly watch parties. There was another panel that Carolyn screenshotted and like sent to me. She was like, girl, why weren't you on on this? I'm like, I said no.

[B]

She's like, send them my way. Why are you saying no to Alan Cummings? I feel like there's so many people say no to. But not him.

[A]

No, I know, but I was out of town a lot and like the one we had the. They had the finale there. But I had just flown in from Portugal for the Taco Bell commercial.

[B]

Oh my gosh. So how are you getting this? Are you doing. You're talking with UTA now?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you have an agency?

[A]

Are you with uta?

[B]

I'm with caa, yeah.

[A]

Oh my God. CAA is like the best.

[B]

Which they. Yeah, like changed my life.

[A]

Changed my.

[B]

No, of course. Those are like the big ones. Wmeca and so when did you sign with them? Before Traders or after?

[A]

Like after, I want to say February.

[B]

Oh, after Traders.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How did you get on Traitors?

[A]

I just. They just asked me like. Oh.

[B]

Cause you did that. You were doing those pre meetings.

[A]

Yes, yeah, yeah. And they had seen me on tv. Oh. And it's the same casting producer. Hablas Espanol Spoich Komlunos.

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[A]

Apply, sir, as Dancing with the Stars, so.

[B]

Oh, really? Is it Deanna Katz?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, wait.

[A]

You know Dina.

[B]

I follow her because I try to DM her all the time. I'm like, can I be on Masked Singer? Can I be on any of this? Yeah, she's. I DM her constantly.

[A]

No, you should.

[B]

I just saw Alex Joey cast for Dancing the Stars. I was like, damn it. I was like, I'm ready. I know.

[A]

No, no, don't stop.

[B]

Keep going. Yeah, me, dominoes, Dancing the Stars, trainers just trying to get.

[A]

Apply the pressure.

[B]

Everything. Maybe you'll bring me good luck. Everything that you've already done, I'm like, I will take all of it. Just give me, like, one. One thing.

[A]

It's just like, the sheer audience you would bring. I mean, numbers you could be solely responsible for. Like, you would win Dancing with the Stars. Maybe that's why.

[B]

Oh, because I don't think so. I think me and I think Alex girl probably has more full than I do. She'll probably win. She'll be not in my book.

[A]

Yeah, because I saw you, like, dancing like this.

[B]

No, like, and then you did a turn, and then you jumped. Where was I dancing?

[A]

I'll have to send it. I'll repost it on my TikTok.

[B]

Like, recent or it's old.

[A]

No, it's old, but the clip is new, so it's like they just clipped it. It's, like, maybe a week ago. And I was like, damn, you're a good date.

[B]

I used to be. Ye. Used to be. Okay, I wasn't good, but I know you were good.

[A]

You did like, a snake on the chair. Then you did another look.

[B]

I feel like this does not sound good if you.

[A]

No, I'll send it to you.

[B]

I love that you saw it. No, you're an actual, like, good dancer. Like, you had, like, training and stuff. Like, you were.

[A]

Yeah, for Broncos. Yeah. Yeah. But I wasn't as good as Charlie d' Amelio. I mean, I would try and do some that she would do. Like, she would do these spins on the floor on one leg, and I'd be like, val, I want to do that. He's like, you can't do that.

[B]

Well, she also was like, what? She must have been 18 or 17 or something.

[A]

She didn't even have, like, all her. Her ligaments yet. She was, like, in this split upside down. I'm like, what the f? How am I supposed to, like, you know, compare to her? But it was fine.

[B]

No, it's like a hard one. Was there romances happening on Dancing Stars when you were on it?

[A]

Was there? Not really. I had, like, a pretty kind of PG season.

[B]

Okay, that's good, because that's what it was. Always my concern. I was like, there's not weirdly, like, not a lot of gay dancers on that show. And I was like, yeah. And they're always, like, hooking up with each other, leaving each other, like, for. It happens. Like, Kim Johnson married her partner. She. Cheryl Burke ended up marrying her partner.

[A]

I was like, it's so sexual. Like, ballroom dancing is, like, sexual tension.

[B]

You never felt. You were at Val.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Val is the brother. One of the brothers. Okay. And so nothing.

[A]

I was close with his wife. Oh, yeah.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

Totally. And she was pregnant. And I'm like. And I was dating or engaged to my ex at the time.

[B]

Halfway through.

[A]

Yes, exactly. I'm like, halfway's a good. Like, he's, like, showed up. I dedicated a dance to him. Him. And then two dances later, we broke up. Just out with the trash.

[B]

Wait, did you know you were gonna break up, or were you still in love? When he dedicated the dance to him.

[A]

I mean, probably knew we were gonna break up, but it's like, a moment.

[B]

They wanted to see me kiss.

[A]

But I know with Alex Earl, I'm like, I wonder who her partner is gonna be. Because they do want the sexual tension. So I don't know if it'll be like, Ezra, you know, But I love Ezra. He's my same. He's the best.

[B]

Probably not, because they, like, you said, want someone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To, like, be with. Who's the one? There's one guy that's always with everybody.

[A]

Gleb. Glebs.

[B]

So maybe him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's always. And I'm like, what is happening on this show? That it's just like, they're always. I guess they're always together. So. Because you're.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you said 16 hours for traders. How long were you for Dancing with the Stars? A day.

[A]

It wasn't. It's just longer. So we would dance maybe, like, five hours a day, but, like, every day. Five, six hours a day.

[B]

Okay, so you would say Traders was harder than Dan. Dancing with the Stars.

[A]

Dancing with, like, Traders was a month. Dancing with the Stars was three months. You know, and we would go. And it's just such a physical workout. That's like, your mind and your body is so exhausted, you can't really do anything before or after practice.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

So the further I get away from Dancing with the Stars, it's like I don't know if I could ever do it again.

[B]

Yeah, I couldn't imagine. Like, that also seems both of them seem. I wouldn't be on both of them. I would definitely be eliminated. Week one, I didn't do anything. Any reality show. I did, like, Big Brother. And that one I like, self eliminated after a week. I was like, I gotta go. Like, it's just too hard.

[A]

Yeah, it's so hard. And Big Brother. Yeah. On camera all the time.

[B]

Oh, can't do it. That's the one. I quit. I was like, nope, can't do it.

[A]

People are like, you should do Celebrity Big Brother. I'm like, that's. That's when, you know I'm broke. But I go on Celebrity Big. You know that it's looking bad for me, girl.

[B]

I was broke when I went on there, and I still quit. And I was like. And I remember asking in my exit, I'm like, can I keep some of the money? Because, like, I need part of the money. And they're like, sorry. You only get, like, every days you stayed. It was sucked. Right? Just couldn't do it.

[A]

Oh, my God. Why couldn't you do? Was just too much.

[B]

Yeah, I was just, like, overwhelmed. And like you said, like, I just felt like everyone was boring. I thought I had no TV time. I'm like, let me just quit because, like, what am I doing here? You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you want to do it even after seeing, like, Jojo on there? You want to be like girls? I don't know.

[A]

Especially not after Jojo.

[B]

Wish I kind of had a redemption arc. Like, people like, oh, no, no, no. It's like, okay. Because for me, I probably see more of her personality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I have a take, I think, like. Cause I watched Chris on his original season of Love Island. Oh, wow. Love Island.

[B]

You knew him?

[A]

Yes. And I loved the girl that he, like, left with. Whatever. His girlfriend. She was amazing. And, like, I'm like, like, she was so funny, so witty, so mature, so smart, hot as hell. And then seeing this was like, 10 years ago.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I didn't know anything about it.

[A]

So seeing him in that light and then with Jojo, Si. Which There's a huge age gap. I mean, I just think, what's the age gap? Well, how old is she?

[B]

It's 10 years. Oh, do we not? I didn't know this part oh. Oh.

[A]

That's little and big.

[B]

When they're that young, like, when you're older, it's, like, not a big deal, but that's, like.

[A]

Yeah. And she feels young, you know, very much that. Yeah.

[B]

Obviously still exploring herself. So it's, like, weird to, like, get into because you see there's photos of them kissing, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's, like, great. So it's like, really. It looks relationship darkness on the mouth, Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's wild.

[A]

I know. I just can't see it. After seeing him, like, with this, you know, other girl, and then with Jojo, who is, like, a lesbian, she feels like, you know, kind of like a kid still. Like, she doesn't feel like she's matured. So it's like, how can you go from that to this?

[B]

It is wild. What do you think it is? You think it's clout?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that is so desperate. He has a face full of filler. It's like, oh, yeah.

[B]

I don't think you followed him for so long. I love that you know all this stuff about him.

[A]

Yeah. That's why I was, like, so into it. I'm so. I'm like, no. He's even watching the clips on social media, which I know it's kind of hard to get the full context, but I'm like, this feels creepy.

[B]

Yeah, No, I felt that way. Yeah. Watching it and seeing it, like, it.

[A]

Felt like you were at work and like Darren was coming up behind you giving you a massage, and you're like, I'm sending you to hr.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's like, this is in our training.

[B]

This is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sexual harassment. And I feel like you said, because she is. I'm for Jojo. She doesn't like me. She's had a ban from her podcast. But I like her, and I am very much unrequited. I love her, actually. And I'm just very much like, she's stunted. Of course, she had a lot of, like, she's a child star. She's like, you know, there's a lot of stuff. So she's obviously stunted. I just see all these people come, like, take advantage of her and clout. Chase her. And then specifically this guy. I didn't know anything about him, but just watching those clips, I'm like, oh. I feel like he's, like, using her. Even aftermath of it still, like, using her and not infantilize her and, like, saying she's dumb or whatever. But I just think it's like, there's a little Sus. I just hope she takes it slow. If it is a relationship, I'm like, girl, I'll take it slow. Because it's one relationship into the next, and it's, like, scary to watch.

[A]

No. Yeah, totally. And she was in a lesbian relationship and now straight, and it's like, with an older guy, like, it's very different. Not saying it's right or wrong. Like, she can explore his sexuality and same. It's not personal with her. I think he's the one at fault, of course, that she needs to be careful of.

[B]

And he knows that she just got out of relationship or was in one when he met her. So it's just like, take it slow, dude. Like, you're the older one. Like, you need to put the brakes on it.

[A]

Yeah, for a little while. Totally.

[B]

Like, he'll. Maybe she'll be on back. The Bachelor. That'd be great. How come bachelors don't do that? Like, they don't have both sexes on there?

[A]

Because I think their audience is just so, like, conservative. Wow, really?

[B]

Because every other show, like Ultimatum did one. I think Ultimatum did, like, all lesbian one. Like, they. Yeah, like, it is weird they don't.

[A]

Do that because I know it would be kind of messy. Plus, it's like, I do think it's kind of hard to find, like, lesbians that want to go on tv.

[B]

Really? Maybe not. Like, not this one, I'll tell you that much. You can be the casting person for it. Go to that bar, South Tropica. Like, just skip.

[A]

What was it called?

[B]

South Tropica. What was it called?

[A]

Semi Tropic.

[B]

Oh, semi traffic, but close. Like, you remember Shot at Love with Tila Tequila?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I loved that.

[A]

Because she was bi, right? She was bi.

[B]

So there was both girls and guys competing. But I feel like that's just so much more realistic these days. So, like, if JoJo went on, then you can kind of decide who you want to be with and.

[A]

Yeah, true. Maybe they'll try it with her. They need to try something because they're going up in flames.

[B]

We're trying to get my mom on it. I reached out to the casting people because I sent a tape for her. She's trying to get on the new Golden Bachelor because he's. He's a football player. Mel Owens.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. He also filmed right down the street here. Right. Did you guys film.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

I always see them at the. The Bachelors. And I was like, oh, did you stay there as a bachelorette? Yeah. Love that hotel. And I've seen Them filming sometimes. And I'm always just like, I just wanna be on the background of it. We're new to Bachelor Nation. We started with. Who's Zach? I don't know which one he was.

[A]

Oh yeah, that was right after me.

[B]

Oh, was it? Did you know him?

[A]

I think he was on not your season. Oh yeah, no, he was on my season. See, I already forgot. No, I forgot.

[B]

Yes, yes, you eliminated him.

[A]

No, Rachel did. Cause there was two of us. So she. Yeah, uh huh. Yeah.

[B]

What'd you think of him? I kinda loved him.

[A]

One time I ran into somebody who was on my season at the back Bachelor at the. @ JFK. I had just landed like whatever from LAX. And he was like, gabby. And I was like, hey, I thought it was a travel nurse I used to work with.

[B]

You're like, you look familiar. It looks exactly the same.

[A]

It's like there's not a lot of dude nurses. So I'm like, you must be this travel nurse. And it was the guy on our season.

[B]

Oh my gosh. I remember.

[A]

No idea.

[B]

Did you kiss him?

[A]

No, no, not in the season and.

[B]

Not at the airport. Well, Beth said kiss everyone, which I love. I mean, I love it. I'm not knocking it, but they really do be kissing everybody on the show. Did you kiss people on the first night too?

[A]

Yeah, I kissed my then fiance.

[B]

Oh, so you knew.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Zach, did you kiss.

[A]

No.

[B]

I loved him so much.

[A]

Did you?

[B]

He was so boring.

[A]

But he was so boring. Yeah, he feels vanilla. He's really sweet though.

[B]

Yeah, he's just kind of like a sweet dummy. You know what I mean? I love that. I thought it was cute. Just like a little teddy bear and then charity. So we started watching it like later on, but then. But now we're watching back like all that, like your season and all the Jesse's season. Jesse was messy. How did he get to be the host? He had like such a messy season. I was like, he forgot a girl's name. He picked the wrong girl. I was like, what? And now you're the host. So weird. But anyways, no, literally, he was your host. Jesse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so you didn't have the weird one who was the one that got.

[A]

Fired for Chris Harrison? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

He was like inappropriate with someone. Right?

[A]

It was like, it was like race stuff.

[B]

Oh, he didn't date someone. I thought he dated a contestant.

[A]

He's always dating younger people too, so. Yeah, but that's not the reason that he got fired.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, that makes sense. I don't Know much about. About this. So are you still connected to Bachelor at all? Do you come back for any of the seasons?

[A]

Not really. I mean, I'm like, there's no bad blood. I'll never really talk about him. Like, obviously, I'll talk the dudes, but not even as much as I could. And I always, like, own it. People talk on, like, production, and I'm like, whatever. I gaslit myself. Like, I knew what I was getting into. It doesn't take that much to be manipulated. And, like, you're going on tv, so it's fine.

[B]

Especially in the intensity. Yeah, yeah. You're just, like, in it and you're like, I have to win. I have to win the love, you know?

[A]

Yes. It's. It's inherent when there's a competition. You're like, if everybody. If all of these gorgeous girls can like, like this dude, so can I. Yeah, who am I? Crazy?

[B]

And they're just regular dudes. Like that one Joey. I was like, he's just like, this regular guy. And all these girls like, I love you.

[A]

I was like, I know. It's love it, right? Yeah.

[B]

This is kind of crazy. So now with, like, your podcast now, you're doing, like, social media. Long winded. So good. Even your viral tick tocks, like, do you do them? Do you, like, script them? Them being like, this is gonna go viral, or do you really just say what comes to your head that day?

[A]

With my podcast, I'll think of, like, takes or points, maybe like, three or four to get me through the hour and then just, like, see what comes out when I sit down. And for my TikToks, yeah, I'll like, whatever. Kind of think of a take, like, whatever's happening. And then sometimes I'll have to get it out once and then, like, refilm because, you know, I take forever to really make a thought or, like, talk about it. So I'll do another to, like, succinctly wrap it up.

[B]

Okay, so when you're thinking of, like, business hours, the one that went viral, that's just like, something you thought of and you're like, I gotta write this down. It's like comedian. Almost, like a bit.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I've been saying it for years. It's, like, so real. I'm like, do not text me after 5pm Then it was 5, now it's 3. I love that because it's like, literally after lunch. I'm tired. There's science behind it.

[B]

I agree with you 100%. Even you said you, like, Tuesday Wednesday, Thursdays, you don't do Mondays or Fridays. And today is a Friday. And I was like. But I understand what you're saying. I'm the exact same way. Like, yeah, you need that Monday to recover, and then Friday's the weekend.

[A]

So, like, with zooms and stuff that you're always doing, it's like, I'm not doing it on a Monday.

[B]

That's wild to do, which is I. That's why I think your takes are, like, so good and they go so viral. So I'm just like, it's kind of amazing. I love the whole, like, social media, and your podcast is amazing. Is that your house?

[A]

Thank you. Yeah.

[B]

I love the vibe. I love the way you light it, too. The one like, yesterday, it looks, like, very, like, vintage or something like that. Like a 70s house. And the one yesterday, you had, like, your sexy bikini picture behind. I know.

[A]

I'm like, should I. I have three of them.

[B]

Oh, you should hang them.

[A]

Should I, though? Or is it too much? I. Because I lost my Traders poster. I'm like, is it too much me? No, but yours isn't on the set, though.

[B]

It is behind. Oscar's sitting there. It's behind him. And if Moses. It's behind him. Because we have cameras on them usually. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Then I'm like, maybe I should. Because it's too much yellow by itself. So I need something to break it up.

[B]

And it gives that same vibe. It gives that, like, retro vibe. And the Waterloo next to you. We have our Jennifer Coolidge here next to you. Because you give off Jennifer Coolidge. Jennifer Tilly.

[A]

Oh, my God, thank you.

[B]

Which I'm sure, like, you hear that probably all the time.

[A]

Yeah, but I love it.

[B]

Have you met either of them?

[A]

No.

[B]

Do you sigh on yourself after them, or is it just your voice?

[A]

Not. It's just my voice. When people started saying it with Jennifer Coolidge. Yeah.

[B]

And it's just.

[A]

I think Jennifer Tilly, too. It's just my voice sounds so.

[B]

And when people say that, I can't unhear it now. And I was just like, oh, my God, it's so crazy. But then when you do your tiktoks, you're up close, you have no makeup. You're just like. What do you mean? Like, it's just more different. It's like, yeah, that's when I saw you, I was like, oh, my God. You look like a little Barbie. I'm so used to just, like, your face so close up.

[A]

No, it's so bad. But now I'm Glad people are used to it. Cause it's like, I'm not gonna put on makeup for a TikTok.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Same and all my. My audience is gay, so they're not looking at how I look.

[B]

They have 55 year olds too, so they have like cat wraps. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. They're fighting glaucoma.

[B]

Wait, that's so interesting. Do you think it's mostly gay men that follow you, or do you think it's like lesbians?

[A]

It's mostly. I think it's like it used to be 90% women and 10% men, but now it's like 70%. Probably 30%. 80, 20. And I'm sure they're all gay men.

[B]

Oh, I love it. But that is like the best. It is wonderful. Yeah. I love a gay man audience.

[A]

Cause it's like we talk men, but it's like it's straight men, you know? But Moses. Yeah. So like, gays know.

[B]

Cause like, they have voice. Straight.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

No, but that's the thing is gay men also do it. They're like, they don't. That's why it's so crazy. Cause, like, you don't want to be attracted to men. You know what I mean? But no.

[A]

Worst thing ever for them, too. I feel terrible. Yeah. It's like this is what happened to you. Like, this is a life you have to live. I don't know how you do it.

[B]

No, it is awful. That's what. But it's like. So I think they understand. They can relate. They're like, no, men ain't. You know what I mean? Because it can be the worst, but it's great. And now with Pride coming up, are you doing any events?

[A]

I'm working all of June.

[B]

Are you doing a TV show? What are you doing? You can't say.

[A]

I don't know if I can say.

[B]

Okay. Is it a show?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, my God. Are you so excited?

[A]

I'm exhausted already. Yes. I'm tired thinking about it. Have you prepped for it? You know, I said no at first. Oh, yeah. My team had to talk me into it. I'm like, it's way too soon.

[B]

Like, it's just been like a year and a half since trainers.

[A]

Like, I can't spend another June away. When am I ever gonna have a summer?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Like, I'm not ready to get back out there. But it's like you just. Again, you don't know when you're ever gonna have these opportunities. Like, the industry changes so much. So. And yeah, so here I am. I'm going. Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, so you're going somewhere?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So I'll be gone all of sudden, a June. So I know I can't do the pride thing.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But it's like, I'm gay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm bride 12 months out of the year, not just one.

[B]

Oh, my. So how are you gonna see, like, you and Robbie? How are you guys gonna work as. She coming with you or.

[A]

She's gonna meet me, I think for, like, a week at the end. We're gonna have a vacation. Yeah. But it's really hard for us.

[B]

I can't even imagine having to be away for, like, that long. Like, I would go insane.

[A]

Like, it's terrible because I just, like. And she's been moving all of her shows, so we spent the last, like, three, four nights together, just having dinner, staying in, and it's the happies.

[B]

Ever been, I guess, cooking or eating out or.

[A]

We cook. We do both. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you cook or. She cooks.

[A]

I like to cook, but she's, like, kind of picky, more particular.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So she'll. She has, like, three things that she cooks that are really good.

[B]

What is the meals she cooks?

[A]

Steak and kale salad.

[B]

Okay. Love the steak. Not the. Yeah, I don't like salad that much.

[A]

No, the kale is like. She'll make such a big one, and I'll have a tiny portion. I'm like, you didn't massage this right?

[B]

The kale.

[A]

I'm like, get in there. It's too crunchy.

[B]

Yeah, kale's not my thing. Never tried it, but it sounds awful.

[A]

No, it's terrible. It's bitter. But that. And she makes. It's called a poor man stew. It's like ground beef, potatoes. She likes, like, hearty things. Like, she grew up, her mom cooked every meal. And so it's like, it all makes sense, you know, there's a meat, a potato, and a vegetable. So there's like, broccoli, carrots, potatoes, and ground beef.

[B]

And then a soup.

[A]

Yeah, it's a good soup. And then I forget the third thing.

[B]

You just had three dinners together. Yeah, I know. Forgot it. Yeah. And if it was up to you, if you're solo, what are you eating?

[A]

I make a good taco salad.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's, like, why salad? It's, like, not the crunchy part. There's no taco to it.

[A]

There's chips.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. So I eat it on the side with chips. And there's just a little bit of, like, romaine lettuce just for kind of crunch. It's a New York Times recipe. It's so good the way the meat's seasoned. So I'll make that. And spicy Riggy. Spicy rigatoni. I have a really good recipe.

[B]

Where'd you get that one from? Because that's my fave.

[A]

Really? It's with gochujang.

[B]

What's that? What's gochujang?

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

No, it's a Korean spice. It's a real thing, I think. I don't know, but it's really good. It's spicy. And you do, like, heavy cream and parmesan and rigatoni. It hits every time.

[B]

Yum. No, Pasta's my favorite favorite. I love it so much. You should do a jump out. Well, maybe that's what you're doing. I don't know. I'm so excited. I'm so excited for you. Oh, my God. Thank you. So you already have, like, your summer booked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would you ever do, like. Like, what's your ultimate dream? You want to be famous as a kid, were you, like, I want to be an actress in a movie or, like.

[A]

Yeah, I want to, like, do scripted stuff now because there's more longevity in it. Before, it's like, now me, I'm, like, coming off the Bachelor. I'm going to be an actress.

[B]

Well, girl, you're killing it. In three, four years after the Bachelor, you're everywhere. You're doing Domino's sponsor. You're doing way more than I did.

[A]

Not Domino's.

[B]

The Domino's movie.

[A]

To starring in a movie.

[B]

Pipeline is so real. 19 years and I can't get a Domino's sponsor. You're doing all everything I ever wanted. Domino's.

[A]

Come on. If you're listening, this is crazy.

[B]

I know. Domino's. I mean, I'll say it that way.

[A]

Domino's. You're driving their sales.

[B]

I love it. I'll eat one tonight. I love it. And scripted, because that is so different. But would you ever act with your. Your wife?

[A]

Maybe if it was on, like, our terms. Like, we have so many people now. Especially because she just sold the show and she's more on the writing and now. And she's gonna be acting in the show. Like, she'll be the star that they're like, we have an idea for you and Gabby, like, whatever. But it's. She creates shows, right? So why wouldn't it be our project?

[B]

Create something for you guys.

[A]

Yeah. So it's like, we'll do it on our own terms. But she's so busy with her stuff. I'm so busy with my stuff. So maybe in like 10 years. Years. I can't wait to be like 45 or 50, like an old lesbian and then like break in.

[B]

That's gonna be where it's at. I always think that she'll hit my stride in the 40s, you know what I mean? Desperate Housewives style. But you guys could be like the first lesbian couple on like White Lotus or something. You know what I mean? Which is like very up your alleys because she's already at max. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would you ever do it? Because I saw it wasn't Bustle. One of those named you as like the third person they want to see on like White Lotus. Like Brenda Song, like someone else. And then like, you would you ever.

[A]

100% you would be. Oh yeah.

[B]

So good on that. Because you are like a good actress when you like look at yourself on like trainers and stuff. Like you are even your tiktoks. I mean, obviously you're just like funny. But you are like good at acting too, which is like a character.

[A]

Totally. And like, if it's. They're like, what are you interested in? I'm like, well, I'm not gonna do dramas. Like it has to be for me, right?

[B]

I can. Soap operas.

[A]

I would love to do a soap opera and I want to do a scary movie.

[B]

Oh my God, you would be so good about. Soap operas are crazy. Cuz they shoot like 10 scenes a day. Like 5:00am to like 3:00pm like crazy.

[A]

Whoa, that's crazy.

[B]

I feel like you'd be so good at it.

[A]

It's like the drama. It's the campy drama.

[B]

Campy drama. And then horror films too. Yeah, that's like where it would be at. I feel like that's.

[A]

Yes. What do you want to do all of it too? Yeah, you.

[B]

You can. My expectations are lower these days.

[A]

But you've done all of it. Like, I was listening to you. You've been on shows. You said when you were like, like.

[B]

An extra, you know, like I was like walking in the background. A modern family. I am an actor. That's crazy. Oh my God.

[A]

I thought you did. I told Robbie she's on multiple shows when she moved to la.

[B]

Oh my God. That's probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard for myself. Robbie Halloo is like literally starring in 20 shows right now. She's like, okay. Did you tell her you were coming here?

[A]

Yeah, she so excited for me.

[B]

Okay. Because I was watching you guys yesterday, and I was just like, wow, they are just so entertaining. I love that you guys talk on top of each other, too.

[A]

You never can't get a word in with her. So you. I have to.

[B]

You both keep talking. And I love it. It would be like three minutes of the podcast just talking over each other.

[A]

People, like, the first time it happened, they're like, this is way too much. You got to turn your mics down. But now I think they know us, and they're like, we're going to set this as a ringtone.

[B]

It's like, the best thing in the whole wide world. It's so, like, just your guys's chemistry. Everything about it is, like, so beautiful.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And it's so cool. And when we.

[A]

I feel the same about you and Moses. Like, you guys.

[B]

I don't know. We're quite the same.

[A]

No, but you guys are such a good couple. Like, Moses that I feel like is so supportive and just, like, loves you so much. And Vice. I know. It's such, like, a good relationship story.

[B]

I love it. I'm with you, though. You said you don't love when you guys are doing pot. You do podcasts together? Yeah, I feel that way with a couple podcasts in general. So obviously he's, like, on Hot Topics with us and stuff like that. But I always. It's so funny. Podcast Moses is different than real life Moses. I'm always like, what are you talking about? Like, this is like, so. So that's why I'm with that a little bit. But he'll say stuff, and I'm like, where did that come from? Yeah. I'm like, you're like, can you verify? Yeah. And people think I, like, hate him on the podcast, but I'm like, I swear he's not like this. So it is very different.

[A]

So it's good. You have to also come in with your takes. Like, you guys all have good takes.

[B]

Well, I don't know if I have.

[A]

I great takes, but you have great.

[B]

But you're. You don't really gossip on your podcast.

[A]

Yours is just more like, sometimes I gossip.

[B]

It's interesting. People get mad at you for saying, like, not that crazy of takes.

[A]

It's like, people. Yes. They got. I mean, I've said some crazy before. I've talked, like, not maybe gossip, but I've definitely talked people and have had some.

[B]

Oh, my God. Could you imagine her being on there?

[A]

Kind of.

[B]

Do you know the next season, I did hear Jojo Siwa was gonna be on the next season.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Have you heard any buddy?

[A]

I heard Travis Kelce's mom.

[B]

Oh, that's why. Oh, my God. Why? Okay. No.

[A]

Can you believe I will be kind of upset. Oh, yeah, right. Because why is she on tv? Like, why do they want to be famous so bad?

[B]

Can I say, I thought that with. When they announced Zac Efron's brother, I was like, what? Before me they're gonna put on Zac Efron's. But then I was like, okay, he kind of ate, so maybe she will. Maybe she'll, like, serve down.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

I agree with you. Yeah.

[A]

I just don't. I don't think her and Dylan Efron are the same visually.

[B]

Right. Maybe it was like, Travis Kelsey. Yeah, that is. That's a good point. That's the tea right there. Yeah. I feel like maybe it was like Travis Kelsey's brother or something. That would be, like, cooler. Okay, that's interesting.

[A]

I know. I wonder if that would work.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, so we'll see.

[B]

I'm excited. Are you gonna watch the next season?

[A]

I don't really, like, watch the shows that I've been on.

[B]

I don't like film back there. Did you not watch.

[A]

Watch yours? I did, yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then it's like, I want to leave on a high note.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I don't want to go bad. Yeah. I don't need that.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Well, now you're gonna do scripted. You're gonna go on to bigger, hopefully.

[A]

I'm not doing scripted yet, but that's.

[B]

Like, in the future.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So we already have hints for the next one. It might be reality.

[A]

You gotta get some wood. Superstitious. Yeah.

[B]

Well, you're thriving. You're literally doing another show and you're married, and I think that's like. I mean, where can you go from there? You can only stay at the top, really.

[A]

Thank you so much, and thank you for having me. This is literally a dream come true. I feel like I'm in a dream.

[B]

I feel like. I mean, when I saw you come in, I was just like, oh, my God. Because we've been talking about you for so long on the podcast, and I just.

[A]

When I heard the first clip that you said my name, I was literally on my way to make a coffee and, like, I could feel I started to, like, levitate. Yes. Like, my feet were leaving my. The floor and then my toes. I'm like. I could not tell the difference of, like, that clip versus if my coffee was. Was like, lace, that's. Oh, I love it.

[B]

With nad. I'm a natural NAD for you. Yes.

[A]

My receptors. I'm like, oh, my God. You cannot tell me where to go.

[B]

I feel the same way. When I saw you, when I like, I said I saw, like, Long Winded when I saw you with the Brooke episode, but then when I saw with the traitors, I was just like, I'm obsessed with this girl in every single way. Everyone fell in love with you. You are the girl's girl. And it's very rare these days because people say they are, but then I'm like, are you really?

[A]

I'm a lesbian.

[B]

Literally. Yeah, you're literally. Yeah. You guys check out Gabby everywhere. Long Winded Traders, new show. White Lotus Season 4. I'm excited to see all of it.

[A]

Please.

[B]

And thanks so much for coming. And Tiktoks, they're so good. Please, all the hot takes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Thanks, Gabby, for being here. We'll see you guys soon.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you.