David Dobrik's Dangerous Stunts Continue + Eugenia Cooney AI Videos Are Disturbing

Summary

Just Trish — Episode Summary: "David Dobrik’s Dangerous Stunts Continue + Eugenia Cooney AI Videos Are Disturbing" (Oct 29, 2025)

Host: Trisha Paytas
Co-hosts: Moses Hacmon & Oscar Gracey
Main Theme:
An unfiltered, hilariously honest breakdown of the latest viral internet drama — from David Dobrik’s continued dangerous stunts to the disturbing rise of AI influencer videos (specifically regarding Eugenia Cooney). Also, inside takes on pop culture headlines, Halloween hijinks, and celebrity gossip through Trish’s uniquely irreverent lens.

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Major Topics & Segments

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🎭 Halloween Costumes & Broadway Excitement (00:59–04:40)

• The crew dresses up as characters from "K Pop Demon Hunters" for a festive Halloween episode.
• Trisha shouts out her upcoming official Broadway debut in "Beetlejuice: The Musical" (Nov 4–23), plus her new Christmas show "Trishma’s Live."
• DIY costume struggles and the last-minute creativity when Amazon deliveries fail.
• Quote: “Never settle for anyone who won’t go to the edge of the earth to make your Halloween costume what it’s meant to be.” – Trisha (05:42)

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🚩 Pop Culture Round-Up & Social Anxiety Relatability (11:55–14:47)

• The Lorax is named the surprise top Halloween costume this year, traced to TikTok trends.
• Moses admits to party anxiety and not approaching friends or the iconic “camel” costume at a party (13:01).
• Reflections on anxious personalities and how podcasting lets the hosts “send a message in a bottle” to friends.
• Quote: “That’s the good thing about podcasts, I always tell people I have social anxiety…so that way people know, and I directly tell them.” – Trisha (12:33)

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🚨 David Dobrik’s Stunts & Accountability (61:05–68:55)

• Trisha breaks down a new Views podcast episode and is disturbed by David Dobrik’s claim that his "downfall" is "giving too much money away," especially in light of past controversies.
  • Quote: “It’s so publicly that you didn’t, like, pay for any of Jeff’s surgeries…so publicly you…didn’t like, pay for any of Jeff’s surgeries…allegedly or not, lack of, I don’t know, whatever. So. Oh, crazy to me.” – Trisha (62:53)
• Latest dangerous internet clips — David detonating sodium in a home aquarium, and ongoing reckless content.
• The crew is “disappointed” at the lack of creative evolution among these YouTubers and draws comparisons to Jackass.
• Discussion of persistent “problematic faves” and cognitive dissonance in the creator fandom.
• Quote: “Haven’t we been there, done that? Where is the evolution?” – Moses (66:38)

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🤳 Dangerous Stunt Culture & Platform Responsibility (68:56–72:04)

• Sam Pepper’s resurgence as a problematic creator: recently filmed aiming fireworks at children in India during Diwali, harming a girl.
• Quote: “He shot a firecracker at a little girl’s face… like, I would literally be in jail…I’d be pissed. Oh, I’m pissed for that.” – Trisha (69:19)
• Worries about creators, views, and stunts escalating for shock value.
• Parallels drawn between David Dobrik and Sam Pepper's “menace” behavior.

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🧠 Eugenia Cooney, AI Ethics, and Platform Lawsuits (153:38–164:14)

• Recent viral investigation (by Cat Tenbarge) exposes disturbing AI-generated Eugenia Cooney videos—using her likeness for “mukbang” and fetish content while she is offline.
• Trisha, Moses, and Oscar debate the ethics of AI using influencer likeness without consent, especially for exploitative or problematic content.
• Discussion of legal actions: California judge ordering TikTok to hand over internal comms regarding Eugenia (160:46).
• Reflection on moral ambiguity around “existing” online when unwell, and whether platforms are culpable if their algorithm promotes harmful behavior.
• Quote: “She just exists in a body that’s sick, you know?” – Trisha (161:07)
• Pondering the precedent and societal responsibility for digital immortality, AI-generated scandals, and what happens when boundaries blur to this degree.

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🧪 Social Media Extremes, Fame, and Mental Health (125:36–127:56)

• They note the cycle where platforms and audiences reward polarizing, extreme, or unwell behavior (“the internet rewards extremities”).
• Revisiting former troubled child stars (Dana Plato), media complicity, and how judgment and spectacle push mental health struggles further.

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💄 Selena Gomez, “Rare Beauty,” and Beauty Standards (117:36–123:12)

• Selena Gomez at a business panel: viral clip about Rare Beauty “not using models, but people who feel like your best friend,” sparking online backlash from campaign models.
• The gang analyzes beauty marketing language, the difference between “attainable” and “insulting,” and the messy PR fallout.
• Quote: “We’re not using beautiful people, we’re just using the regular ones?” – Trisha (119:27)

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👻 Haunted Houses & Fears: Universal’s Horror Nights (45:26–65:44)

• Moses gives a vivid, comedic recount of Universal Horror Nights, the Five Nights at Freddy’s maze (cute), and the grotesque Terrifier maze (scat room, sensory overload).
• Everyone’s “real-life” haunted house: Moses = clowns & wetness, Trisha = David Dobrik’s Vlog Squad, Oscar = “straight teenage boys yelling.”

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👶 Faking Pregnancy, Viral Scams & Empathy (73:31–83:01)

• Discussion of the viral Kira Cousins story (Scottish woman who faked a pregnancy and newborn’s life), social media deception, and the psychological spiral.
• Nuanced empathy for the mental illness behind such prolonged lies, but concern over deception and legal ambiguity.

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🏒 Kim Kardashian, Co-Parenting, and Internet Trolling (104:17–109:50)

• Recap of the latest Kardashian’s episode: Kim dealing with Kanye’s erratic co-parenting, public statements, and media scrutiny.
• How internet dialogue harshly analyzes child stars’ every move—Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato, and others.

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🏰 Amusement Parks & Plus Size Inclusivity (87:18–97:31)

• Tangent about Six Flags’ safety records, fears about construction, and accessibility issues for plus size guests.
• Quote: “Every seat should be this size everywhere you go, minimum, just for everyone’s comfort.” – Trisha (95:18)

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🐍 Slang & Internet Vernacular (135:45–139:14)

• Moses explains “chopped” and “unc,” the AAVE roots of much internet slang, and the importance of awareness, not appropriation.
• Trisha marvels at how often black and queer culture are mainstreamed via slang.

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🐝 Brief Hot Topics & Lighter Moments

• Malala does “Bees in the Trap” on The Tonight Show (101:02).
• Cat’s Eye pop group: one member does a solo project.
• Sabrina Carpenter’s “Espresso” and the power of TikTok to create pop hits.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "It’s so publicly that you didn’t, like, pay for any of Jeff’s surgeries…so publicly you…didn’t like, pay for any of Jeff’s surgeries…allegedly or not, lack of, I don’t know, whatever…” – Trisha (62:53)
• "Sam Pepper…aiming fireworks at children during Diwali, harming kids." – Oscar/Trisha (69:01–69:19)
• “She just exists in a body that’s sick, you know?” – Trisha (161:07)
• “Never settle for anyone who won’t go to the edge of the earth to make your Halloween costume what it’s meant to be.” – Trisha (05:42)
• “We’re not using beautiful people, we’re just using the regular ones?” – Trisha on Selena Gomez’s Rare Beauty (119:27)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:59–04:40: Halloween costumes and show promotion
• 11:55–14:47: Social anxiety & The Lorax costume trend
• 61:05–68:55: David Dobrik’s stunts, problematic “phases,” and platform accountability
• 68:56–72:04: Sam Pepper’s dangerous Diwali clip & the escalation of stunt culture
• 73:31–83:01: Kira Cousins pregnancy hoax & the psychology of lies
• 153:38–164:14: Eugenia Cooney, AI-generated influencer content, legal/ethical debate

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Tone & Style

• Unfiltered, irreverent, and funny—heavy on personal anecdotes and pop culture opinions.
• Willing to go dark on internet ethics and mental health, but always with a thread of empathy or self-aware humor.
• The trio ping-pongs rapidly between topics, sometimes digressing but always landing personal reflections.

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Final Thoughts

This episode underscores how digital fame warps boundaries—from rewarding dangerous or exploitative content to blurring lines between reality and AI creation. Through Trish's signature blend of off-the-cuff humor and raw honesty, the episode is a panoramic tour of internet culture’s latest shocks and trends—offering both laughter and genuinely thoughtful commentary on accountability, empathy, and evolving online ethics.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

Not to be whatever, but like, did she ever say why she named her brand that? I know we. I see the clip all the time. When I think of rare, I think of rare meat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, raw and bloody. He said he loves giving money away. He's like, I will give money to anyone that asks. I love just giving money. And I was like, yeah, like, he just gives money to everyone. I have to be like, david, stop giving money away to people. And I'm like, jeff, her name is. You're my soda pop. You're my soda pop. Pop pop. 5 grams sugar. I wish Olipop was sponsoring this. You're my Olipop. Not sponsored by Allie Pops Day. But we do love them. Huh? No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Shh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you say shh?

[Oscar]

Shh. I'm just making sound effect.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Shh. You're my little soda pops. Happy Halloween week. We are so original. We are the Saja Boys from K Pop Demon Hunters. I love these costumes. I think we look sickening. We went out, we did the dance, we did the cardio, we did the photo shoot. We committed. Committed to something.

[Moses Hacmon]

We're here.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're here. You guys, real quick, before we jump into it, I'm going to be making my Broadway debut, official Broadway debut, and Beetlejuice the musical next Tuesday, November 4th. Get your tickets. I'll be there till November 23rd. I'll be in every single show, including all the Maddies, on Wednesday and Saturday. I am so excited. I'm going to be bringing you lots of Beetlejuice content and I'm super, super excited. So get those tickets. And then if you're after the spooky season's done, I'm going to be doing a Merry Christmas because we love all the seasons. Okay? So get your tickets to Trishma's now. Trishma's live. We are going to be in Long Beach. That's Thousand Oaks, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Newark, New Jersey, Washington D.C. and Vancouver and Montreal. Messi, you're next. Because I've been seeing all the comments. People want me to come to Montreal and I'm learning my French, so I will be there. Pape la pour. Okay. Also, we'd love to go to Korea. South Korea, probably. I would love to go. We love K Pop Demon Hunters. We love. I have a song in Korean coming out next year. I already recorded it. It's really good. So we are in our K Pop pop era. We are a little late to the trend, but I guess K Pop Demon Hunters make it super cool again. Oscar who are you? Who? I'm Baby. I'm Baby. I love being Baby Everything. Baby Spice, Baby Saja. I'm Baby Everything. Who are you? Oscar.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm Mystery.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that his name?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

His demon name or his real name?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know what his government demon name is, but yeah, stage name.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's probably like Tongue. Is that demon like Parcel Tongue, but not Harry Potter because it's canceled.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, Tea, right. I don't. I mean, the demons did just speak English, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they don't have any Parcel Tongue in there. No snake tongue.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess she fell asleep during that part.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did. I made it to our soda pop. I made it. I. I watched a little bit more. I like it better and better. I like the songs. Okay. I really like the songs.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like the aesthetic.

[Trisha Paytas]

My kids love it. But your mystery.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yep.

[Trisha Paytas]

You look mysterious today.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm feeling mysterious.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that you chose the one to hide the face, honestly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, T, I was gonna be the main one, Jinu, because I do like his outfit and like his hair, but it was almost like too normal. You know that part?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, most like, why can't I be the one with black hair? I was like, because what? We're the fun, colorful ones. We love. Obviously. Jinu is like the hot one. Like, he's the lead. Everyone loves him. But, like, put a little color in there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Come on.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like. It's also like you said earlier, giving a little Kim K Mystery.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it is. Because I did do full glam underneath this for literally. Did you? Yeah. I really do feel like Kim.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kim K. Just in case. Maybe a little face reveal later.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, okay. Like dream.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

It'll be like, oh. Oh, that's kind of giving dream. Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

You look. You really do look like Leonard. I guess. I'm watching Big Bang. You look like we should have done Big Bank Theory. That would have been a good one. But that's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

That would have been good, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

That would have been so good. But what do you do, just dress in like a flash T shirt? I don't know. We all got our outfits from Netflix. Shout Out. Netflix. Not sponsored. But they are so smart to have these costumes because I went to go look for it and this was like the first thing that came up. So both me and. And Moses shirts are from there. You said you ordered a vest, but it has not come in yet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, mine got stuck in overseas in China, actually. So this was a last minute DIY from Darian. Shout Out Darian, who hand painted this vest.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. It Looks so, like, to me, it looks quality. Like when you told me, like, oh, I ordered one from Netflix and I was like, we love Netflix. The quality is great. But I was like, this is giving real.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. He really pulled it out. He really pulled it out. I was stressed, and he's like, I got this. And he just. He got some paint and went to town. It always helps having an artist partner as you, as, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, same with me. I had a little. I had a little beanie moment. There was no yellow hat. Mine also got stuck in China. What's happening in China? Why is it all getting stuck over there? Even Amazon there? You can't get stuff overnight anymore. It's all two days. I'm like, where that. What happened to, like, next day by 7:00am Like, I don't. China, we love you, but what's up over there? Same with me. I didn't. My hat didn't come in and. And it just didn't look the same without a hat. So Moses went to the garage. I found this yellow sweater. Like, I got in a PR package.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whoa.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Cut it up. Ari pinned it to my head. So, like, it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, wait, hold on. I need to part my bangs to see this. That is nuts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Makeshift back. And Ari's like, don't show the back. And I'm like, oh, here it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is so cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They really pulled it together. I was like, whatever. I just want have a yellow hat. I almost ordered a construction hat from Home Depot this morning. I was like, well, I need a yellow something. But, yeah, they pulled it together. Moses would not give up on this yellow thing. He loves to find it. Yeah. So crafty. Yes. Never settle, okay? Never settle for anyone who won't go to the edge of the earth. Make your Halloween costume. What? It's meant to be.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the wig is great. The wig is perfect.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Amazon.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. This was. And this wasn't. This was a two day. Actually. You clocked that. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Two day.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's with the two day? What happened overnight?

[Moses Hacmon]

But luckily, I was a little bit more prepared for the wig. I ordered that in advance.

[Trisha Paytas]

The wigs make it. You look so good today. Love it. Moses. Who are you? Oh, you have so much of that cat. You really love that cat. What's his name?

[Oscar]

I don't know who I am. Whoever. Which one am I? I'm this guy. I'm this guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's pretty accurate. You are. You are Abby. I like that because, like, when they stare at him, their eyes go to Popcorn. And that's what I think I would do.

[Oscar]

Abs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You are, Abby.

[Oscar]

I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just love this look on you. I like the pink. The shirt was at Netflix. So again I just was like, you know what? We're going to make you be him. Because again, the other one is they're cute, but they're just, you know, know, giving. Not as exciting. How do you feel?

[Oscar]

It's tight, you know, like my head is going to burst. But it's okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I should have had it made my size cuz I told him like, oh, like when, even when I can. I was like, they have standard size heads. Cuz he makes mine extra, extra large cuz mine is so big. And then when I tell him to make wigs for other people, like my dancers, I'm like just do standard sizes cuz my head's huge. But maybe I should have done a bigger one for you. I don't know. I didn't know it was going to be so tight on your head.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but it's good, you know. It's the price we pay.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's the cat's name again? Derpy.

[Oscar]

I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's behind you, isn't it? Say Deepey. Derby.

[Oscar]

Derby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Derby.

[Oscar]

Derpy. Derpy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that his name or is that.

[Oscar]

Just like Derpy and Sassy? But it's Sassy the cat or Sassy the bird.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe it's just the name.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Derpy definitely is giving the cat.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And yeah, Sussy is giving the crow because it's. The crow is like Sus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's the crowd?

[Oscar]

On top of him. Yeah. And you got a little cat there too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I love it. I love a little Derpy. That's such a funny name. It's good name for a baby. Derpy. Moses said there was a 90 day fiance couple that talked about naming their baby Aquaman.

[Moses Hacmon]

I saw that clip and Moses thinks.

[Trisha Paytas]

It'S before we named our baby.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so. No, but they weren't.

[Oscar]

They were not talking about it. See, seriously. I think. Yeah, it was like mother guy pranking his wife.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no way.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? No, I. I feel like they. They film those so quick and do a quick turnaround. It has to be like I'm watching.

[Moses Hacmon]

The current seasons and I not. I haven't seen that.

[Oscar]

This is one of Those it's older 90 day diaries. It's one of those One of the million universe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have to. Someone let us know when that was filmed. There's just no way. That's so weird. But what if that becomes the name now that one is their baby. I would love. I'm not a gatekeeper of names, but it would be funny because everyone's like, not Aquaman. Everyone's like, we. We love that name. Aquamam. No one says that. I mean, I say that, but you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Know how they switch up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. People come around. This is so crazy. Look at you with no eyes. There's something kind of cool about it. You're giving mystery for sure.

[Oscar]

Reminds me of somebody else I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. The. The guy from Hunger Games. Right. He has purple hair. The one you were last year.

[Oscar]

I forget his name, something. You have to be much older, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you can't see his face at all. Hmm. It's giving. Kim Kardashian. I love it. How do you feel in it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Sickening.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I think I would love not, like, seeing anything, like, looking out for a minute, you know? Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because I also don't have my glasses on because they would stick out. So I feel extra visually impaired. Yeah. But it's kind of nice, kind of freeing.

[Trisha Paytas]

You kind of could sleep over there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. It's giving. How far are we? It's giving the Shane Dawson Blind for a Day. Shane Dawson Blind for a Day challenge. Yes. With Molly.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

Molly Burke. Is that how I say what? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

You don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is he, Tyra Banks? Like, just being homeless for, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you mean you don't remember Molly Burke? She was like, of course. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

She just came out with a book. Love her. Queen. Absolutely. I think I clapped with her. Love her.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I think he did, like, a Blind for a Day thing. Like. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Being Shane was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. He, like, did a video with Molly, like, being what it's like to be blind.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Well, okay. I guess my initial reaction is a little shook, but I guess I guess what he's trying. What was the. The lesson teachable moment. What are we, Thesis.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's challenging being blind.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can tell you that. He wanted to really get. That's okay. I'm trying to wrap my head. Maybe it's a good thing. I'm trying to think. At first I was judgy. Let me try and think about this. Maybe it's not bad, because I do think of Tyra being, like, fat for a day.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, oh, I don't know. Like. But then maybe he's. That's his friend. So he's trying to be, like, in her shoes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah, sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. I guess Molly Burke was about it. So you know, that's it. Interesting. I need to. We need to review that for Patreon asap. That's so funny.

[Oscar]

I guess if you had your glasses, it would be the. From.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I would be giving. What's your name? The fresh hormone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lisa. Oh, sadness. I was thinking hormonalisa as that character. Oh, depression. What is that? Yeah, when you came in this. When you came in this morning, you had your glasses with it side parted. And I did think of that person. I didn't know what that person was from, but I was thinking about that person. You say that we should have been inside out. Is there a pink one?

[Oscar]

There's a really good costume. There is embarrassed is pink.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's a good one for me. Embarrassed.

[Oscar]

There's embarrassed pink.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a good Halloween costume. If you guys. If you guys haven't thought of one, what would you be? What color are you today?

[Oscar]

This color is the kind of tealish. What is that one is envious.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's definitely not you. What's purple?

[Moses Hacmon]

Anxiety.

[Trisha Paytas]

Purple's anxiety.

[Moses Hacmon]

Orange is anxiety. But I mean, everyone with her last year, though. Sorry to clock your tea like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Oscar]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. We're current. We're 2020 with the K pop.

[Oscar]

This is.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was 2024.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although one of the top costumes this year is the Lorax, which is really random because that's so old, but I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Think It's Ashby on TikTok. Do you know her?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yes. Okay, that makes more sense. I was like, why is like the Lorax on all these lists?

[Trisha Paytas]

It has to be. She's the only one I know that, like, does it and people love it. And she, like, really had her year. I think hers gets so many views. She was at the Hamilton premiere.

[Moses Hacmon]

That makes a lot more sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Ashby. She's like, we've been dming.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love her. I want to be the Lorax. I don't think I look good. Lorax is a big belly, though. I guess sometimes I look up big belly costumes. I guess when I was pregnant. Yeah, she was never pregnant.

[Moses Hacmon]

There was a Lorax at that Halloween party I went to, and Darian really wanted a picture with the Lorax, but he said the Lorax was a little off putting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the person.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think the Lorax knew they were eating, so, like, it was a little intimidating.

[Trisha Paytas]

They were like, I am that girl.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I get. So you didn't go up and get a picture?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I mean, I was too scared. To even go up to the people I knew, let alone the craziest thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I thought about it days after.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too. I kept thinking about it, and they. They watched the episode and they texted me last night, the way we literally didn't even know you were there. I was like, oh, gag. They were crying because you didn't know that.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're like, where are you?

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Oscar]

Surprise.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. I guess that's the good thing about the podcast is, like, I always tell people, like, I have, like, anxiety. Like, you know what I mean? Like, social anxiety. And you can't tell someone that because you have social anxiety. So that's me, like, watching, like, I put stuff out there, right? And it's always just like, well, that way people know, and I directly tell them.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was thinking about that, too. To me, it feels like a message in the bottle almost. I'm like, I'm gonna say this, and I know at some point, me and Gavin are gonna. Are gonna see us.

[Trisha Paytas]

They looked so good, though. I did see the pictures they posted.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. They really were gaggy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Those were the costumes.

[Moses Hacmon]

The camel was there. The camel was there.

[Trisha Paytas]

The camel looked good. Now I got it. At first, you're like, the camel. I was like, I don't get it. And then I got it. I was like, you know what?

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you think that. Well, I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't get it, but I got the vibe. I was like, oh, this is an aesthetic. Like, there's a camel in a party because everyone's taking pictures of that camel. So I got the vibe. Don't know what it's from. Did we ever get any conversation?

[Moses Hacmon]

No. I should reach out for a statement.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Don't know what it was, but, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess I literally could just reach out. Now I am curious actually, like, why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Why camel?

[Moses Hacmon]

Why the camel?

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you think it's, like, funny when people get these texts and be like. Like, when I text Tina the Middle Podcast, like, what? You. My Halloween costume today, girl. Like, what?

[Oscar]

At least we're not live. You know? It's like radio shows used to call people live.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. Even calling someone, period. Not even live. I'm like, don't call me. I would never. You know what it is when people call me, I don't answer. And then I text, like, are you okay? Because it's like, okay, are you calling me an emergency? And then most times they're like, yeah, I just wanted to talk to you. I was like, I've never talked on the Phone in the past, like 10 years. So I'm like, why would I? I don't know. Not casually anyways. I guess it's like a business thing, but casually. Not so sure about.

[Moses Hacmon]

If you see my phone light up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yeah, I'll be your eyes today. Literally go to patreon.com just. Trish. We are doing extended podcast over there and we also have an extended. If you guys want to see an Oscar interview. We're going to do an Oscar interview today [e-mail]. it'll come up in the next couple weeks.

[Moses Hacmon]

But if you want to see a Trisha interview.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, are you interviewing me?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, I told you, we're swapping. Oh, interview swap. Yes. You interview short one of me. I interview short one of you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Are you prepared?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. I'm a journalist. You are.

[Trisha Paytas]

Literally. You are. You are a journalist. I'm not. So we'll see how it goes. You know what? I should have prepared a little more, but I have questions. I have questions for you.

[Oscar]

I think just in general, I have questions.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have questions always. Yes. I think I am a good interviewer because I always have questions for a lot of people. Every time I see anyone, I'm like.

[Oscar]

Episode people really loved it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Thank you for the love on the Lucas Gage episode. It was a great one.

[Oscar]

Yeah. There were a lot of people that didn't know or did know, but they, either way, they fell in love with him and they're gonna get this book now. So even if you don't know him, I recommend going back and watching it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. He is amazing and he has a great book and he's very. He is very sweet, humble. King loves the chilies. Thank you guys for the love on the guest episode. We have some exciting guest episodes coming up. We did a guest episode this week that was really, really good, and I think you guys are gonna like it. So stay tuned.

[Oscar]

We're not gonna check out another thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Oscar]

Your latest.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's so funny. I was like, oh, we gotta talk about your music video on the podcast. I'm like, I never talk about my music videos on the podcast because it's so random. That first was random that you would want me to, like, like it. I don't know. I feel like you have to get it not to be that person. But I feel like if you don't get it, you just don't get it. You know what I mean?

[Oscar]

Like, but I feel like the video has, like, the emotion and the feeling that even if you don't know anything about it. You will feel it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Check out my new cover of Close Every Door. My favorite song sung by Donny Osmond. It's by Andrew Lloyd. Robert and Tim Rice. Yeah, it's my reimagining of Jamie Lloyd directed it. Do we know who Jamie Lloyd is in this room? Everybody?

[Moses Hacmon]

Is he related to Andrew Lloyd?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, people think that. Oh but no, no, he directed, you know, Moses. You should know. I've been talking about him all week.

[Oscar]

Huh, Joseph or the Broadway show?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well one of those answers are right. Which one do you think Jamie Lloyd?

[Oscar]

Probably the Broadway show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, he did. He directed the revivals of Sunset Boulevard and Evita starring Rachel Zegler. Rachel Zegler liked my post about it too, which made me excited because I really did love Evita and now it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was all worth it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I love. I love Rachel Zach so much. And yeah, she did Evita directed by Jamie Lloyd and they just do like a stripped down version of musical. Sunset Boulevard was stripped down. It was beautiful. And they always end up with like hot guys in their black underwears at the end with like blood on them. So that's what I did with Joseph. See how we made that work in there. I think we did a pretty good job. So maybe one day they'll bring it back to Broadway or when John M. Chu brings it to movie theaters, I can get casted. I'm just like now I'm just using my platform. I always use my platform as like thinking casting directors will see it. Like that's how I always like all my music videos. I was like. Because there was rumors like little shovel horrors. I think what's name? Greg Berlanti.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That he was gonna do a little shop like, you know, remake. So I did like suddenly see more like anytime I hear about something I'm like always thinking like what if casting sees it? And it always was very far fetched and like okay, trash your dulu until Beatles came out. And then like they really liked your videos. And I was like, wow.

[Oscar]

I mean in a way you created self tapes before they were existing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like look at this. Look what I like.

[Oscar]

Your whole channel is a self tape.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. I did like a whole like Quentin Tarantino video trying to get Quentin. Like that is very true. No one really noticed until recently. So never give up. Took 20 years to get someone to notice me. So never give up on your dreams. Don't cry for Me, Argentina. Do you know what that's from? Wow, good job.

[Oscar]

That song was a big oh, you know, Madonna did something related to Evita. Madonna.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do want to. I do think that. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I just remember version maybe a long time ago. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It'S a great one. I hope it comes to Broadway. We'll see. Did he get respond?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I. Yes, I have received a statement.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's hear it.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is from Evan. Re the camel at the Halloween party. He says, well, honestly, we sent a party full blast as a joke, asking for volunteers to help with a large animal. And so many people reached out that we were like, we have to get something. And I went to a party in San Diego where they were alpacas, and they didn't respond. So similar vibes. Camel. And then the camel people immediately responded. Oh, the inspiration was Babylon the movie. And I believe Babylon, to tie it back to the gesture cinematic universe is where Tana got confronted by Toddy Smith at that red carpet premiere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's a movie or club.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was a movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, got it. Oh, they were at the Babylon movie premiere premiere.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. And that's when Toddy Smith and Tana had that exchange. So thankfully, Tana wasn't there. That'd be kind of true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Triggering. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because he said, Evan says in Babylon, they had an elephant, so they couldn't get an elephant. They thought camel.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Work. It was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like that. I like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love the explanation. You responded fast. I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

When was it? And they were at Addison Rae, like, last night, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love when people can, like, go out and just be up for, like, work the next day.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's amazing.

[Moses Hacmon]

And you were not Addison Rae.

[Trisha Paytas]

I really wanted to.

[Moses Hacmon]

This week is kind of crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

This week is so crazy. I wanted to. I. I did have fomo, for sure. I was literally like, damn. It looked so much better. Especially because it's, like, over her tour now. And I was like, it's. I really wanted to see her perform. I feel like she will. I have a feeling she'll open for someone big. I predicted with Rebecca Black and Katy Perry. I really think Addison might do, like, an Ariana or, like, something big like that. Ariana already announced her opener.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think so. I think maybe I can see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what I mean? I think. Or, oh, well, Charlie, she's performed with. But maybe. Yeah, maybe if her and Tori do it again. Chapel. Ron was there, so maybe Chapel, if she does a tour. Yeah, she could really fit anyone's vibe. Del Rey, she's open for.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was like the. It girl event though, because. Yeah, Chapel was there. Misha and Evan were there. Hunter Schaefer and Barbie Ferreira.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Wow. I could have been with my Euphoria girls.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God. Euphoria. Bama. Addison.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I would have captioned it that too. That would have been. I missed my. I missed it. I would have. And I do love the Greek. I love the Greek. I love that it's like outside and it's like such a vibe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Would you have been like I performed on that stage with you, Addison.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Greek sisters.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, yes. Back when I did my show at the Greek. Thank you so much to Home Chef for sponsoring this episode of Just Trish. Kids are back in school. In between drop offs, pickups, homework, and don't get me started on bath time. Oh, do not get me started on bath time. With three under three. It is a lot. The last thing I want to think about is what's for dinner. Even my husband who can be fully prepared. Sometimes we just don't know what to make, what to order, what ingredients to get. Not only can it be time consuming, but also expensive. Eating in, eating out. That's where Home Chef comes in. And it takes the guesswork out for you. We don't have to guess like you know what, we got some of that Home Chef. Let's whip that up. Home Chef takes the stress off my plate with fresh pre proportioned meals for the entire family, which makes weeknights so much easier and more enjoyable. That's right. Because every night should not be pizza night, especially when you have a family to feed. Okay. My kids enjoy quality food, quality ingredients and Home Chef provides all of that. Home Chef makes cooking simple, fresh food delivered, easy recipes to follow and meals that actually taste great. Home Chef is rated number one by users of other meal kits for quality, convenience, value, taste and recipe pes whatever kind of day it is, Classic recipes with fresh ingredients, 30 minute meals, oven ready trays or quick microwave options. Home Chef has you covered. There's even a dedicated family menu for hassle free delicious dinners. And it's not one size fits all. Home chef has over 30 meal options each week with choices for different diets and tastes. Plus it's affordable. Home Chef customers save an average of $86 per month on groceries and on nights when you just need something easy. Home Chef's five ingredient meals are perfect. Five fresh pre proportioned ingredients and dinners done. We love. We love simplicity. Okay. You can have a tasty meal which is five ingredients. Home Chef knows how to do It. And for a limited time, Home Chef is offering my listeners 50 off and free shipping for your first box. Plus free dessert for Life. Go to homechef.com Trish that's homechef.com T R I S H for 50 off, half off, 50 off your first box and free dessert for life when you go to homechef.com Trish that's home chef.com Trish must be an active subscriber to receive free dessert. Thank you so much to Home Chef for sponsoring today's episode. No, I. I would have loved to have gotten cheet. She does and she has like, the stats. She just. Yeah, she really is that girl. She performed Famous A gun. Was that at the Greek or was that Wiltern?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it was at the. I think it was at the Greek.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because she doesn't usually perform that. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, there was there. She does perform Famous Girl. There's another one that she performed for the. For the first.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one is it? Why do I. I know it too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Nothing but the radio on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, my God, you are so good. You're so smart.

[Moses Hacmon]

I can't look fact check myself because I don't. I can't see. So I'm just. If I get anything wrong, just blame it on.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the way to go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think she saved it as like a special for the final night of her show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we want more of it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Oh, speaking of Euphoria, though, I just saw Chloe Cherry gave you a shout out to et. I didn't. I didn't edit it. Yeah. But.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh, what's the tea?

[Moses Hacmon]

She got asked about the next season of Euphoria. She talked about filming her scenes. And then Denny, Directo Shout out asked what she thought of the guest list. And Denny didn't even mention you're anyone specific. But Chloe's like. I was gagged when I saw that. I'm so excited for Trisha. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that's so cool. Because I like. Did you write the question?

[Moses Hacmon]

Did you make. No involvement.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. I do love seeing, like, the Tick Tock edits too. Just people. I'm glad people are excited because it also could be like, oh, God, influencers. Like, we don't want them on the show. So, like, it's nice that. Because, like, it totally could go that way. Yes. I'm very excited for it. I am shooting another big TV show coming soon too, but I cannot say that. I don't know if I can. I got the official No, I won't say anymore. What? I can't say anything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Don't say what law you went on.

[Oscar]

Nobody. You can say that. That there is something in the books.

[Trisha Paytas]

I got casted for another big TV show. That's all I can say. Can I say that that's good enough?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Like, insane. Insane. So I really am getting the confidence. I shot music videos these last two days and I feel. And even my director, Andrew Valentine's like, you're really good at your acting these days. And I was like, I really feel confident now. I feel like I was always a good actress. I was just nervous and scared. Like, if I go audition, I get, like, really nervous. Like, I don't think I'm a great actress. I don't know if I'm like Zendaya. Okay. But, like, I think I like, I'm pretty good. So I feel more confident these days. So, yes, I'm in my acting era. That's really nice. That's really nice. Oh, I love that. I am very excited. I can't say anymore. I want to say more about Euphoria, but I can't. I don't. I know. I feel like I'm that person who's gonna say everything about it, but I know because even on set yesterday, everyone was like, on my music video, they're like, okay, did you sign NDA? Like, what can you tell us? And I, like, want to say everything, but I can't. That's really nice, though. Thanks for the shout out. I love that shout out. ET for. Did they post it? They posted the ticket. I just came in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that I made the cut because, like, also too, if they get asked a bunch of questions, you guys get to pick what makes the cut for Tick Tock.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So someone there? Not you?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, not me today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone edited it. Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have a lot of sodas down there, babe. You have two Coca Colas.

[Oscar]

It's for my performance, so that popped.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, why do you have two down there, though?

[Oscar]

Well, one is from last time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you forgot to bring it up. Happy ADHD month, everybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, it's my month.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's your month. Did you know?

[Oscar]

No, it's hard to keep up with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what is it? Well, Paris Hilton just did a room tour of her craft room and she said it was for her adhd. So she has a lot of, like, sensory stuff around it and everything. Yeah. And all the comments like, happy ADHD month to our queen.

[Oscar]

So funny, because I saw that video and I was like, okay, It's a matter of seconds before I get a text message from Trisha with a picture of that room. Be like I want this room.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, when our garage is done, I want that room in there for sure. No, I love that room. I want. Maybe Drip Drum did it. I was like, who would we get doing it? That'd be really cool. Maybe for our Trish museum. We're. We're building a Trish museum currently so people can like come tour it maybe next year.

[Moses Hacmon]

Where?

[Trisha Paytas]

Here? Thousand Oaks. I come out to Thousand Oaks to see it. But you know, we'll try place to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Go for the whole Trish experience though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, exactly. Because then you can go to all the spots. Actually yeah, my photographer stayed up here for a weekend. She was going to like literally all the spots. Back street tacos, CC's souffle, pancakes, high by Coffee, Four Seasons, Panda, Bono. There is a whole tour of the 805 for Trish. But yeah, bring some tourists. What do they call that? Like. Yeah, tourist tourism. Your tourist attraction to Tio Thousand Oaks. Maybe I can do my residency too when people come. Maybe I'll perform at the museum. I don't know. We'll see. I wonder if I have security out there too. Like 24 hour security around my like King Tut outfit. What if someone has to take it? You know what I mean? Like the loo, the loop. That's what I was thinking. I was like do they have no security or what happened?

[Moses Hacmon]

What the how.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you think?

[Moses Hacmon]

I still am so confused by it.

[Oscar]

So many conspiracies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's like not real. Like a distraction. Like it's trying to distract us.

[Oscar]

I mean the thing happened but it's just a question of like what's the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, what's the circumstances? What's the c theories? We should just say that the word.

[Oscar]

We might get the president's wife. They met when he was 15 and she was 39. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are we sure? Can we fact check that?

[Oscar]

No. Absolutely sure. 100. There's no doubt about that. He was in high school. She was his teacher. That's even his parents was trying to like stop it but they couldn't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh wow. That's dark. Damn.

[Oscar]

So either if it's a distraction before that. But. But other than that it's just an odd. Because the stuff they stole, you can't really resell it on the market. And if you cut it up for its parts, it's not. There were more valuable things painting up for its parts. No, it was jewelry. It was jewelry. So like diamonds and gold, we're gonna sell it one inch at a time.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's jewelry in the loom.

[Oscar]

Oh yeah. No, this is like Napoleon's and like this fancy stuff. But again, like it's so famous you can't just sell it, you know, so. But there were more valuable things to steal.

[Trisha Paytas]

We didn't catch them.

[Oscar]

There was like a diamond that was like 160 carats right next to it that's worth $60 million more than anything they took. And they didn't take that.

[Trisha Paytas]

One of the Napoleon jewels.

[Oscar]

So something was.

[Trisha Paytas]

No one caught them.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's like random video security clips, but they're. They're out there.

[Oscar]

They were fast. Like they went in through the window, broke, took things, went down, got on scooters and ran away.

[Trisha Paytas]

Scooters? Yeah, like, I mean, what. How do the police cars not catch scooters? I'm so confused.

[Oscar]

I don't know. Maybe like.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean?

[Oscar]

Like, I think. I think sometimes people are so, you know, you. You get into your habit and you feel like nobody. Like nothing ever happened. So nothing will happen. And slowly, slowly security deteriorates. Like that's just normal in any place. Slowly. They cut the budget. The cuts the security. There were no cameras in that room even like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Oscar]

So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's not real. They're trying to distract us. They're trying to set up a plot for White Lotus or something. Yeah, like that seems so.

[Oscar]

There's definitely going to be a movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they did it on purpose. Interesting. Wow. Well, damn. I really need to get security for my church museum then. I know if they're stealing the Louvre. I was worried about making that hat.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I guess stealing those jewels, I mean, it's kind of like stealing your rainbow Birkin. You can't resell that without like someone knowing like, oh, that's the Trisha.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hey, I gotta have like five security just around that thing. I'll put that in there.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a good idea hopefully, because we are pre taping. So if this crime gets solved by the time this goes up, disclaimer that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah, Jimmy, you can insert yourself. Maybe Jimmy in a little. You know what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, Jimmy should do that. Just like chime in. Be like. Actually, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because we had to film this a pre few days early. So any updates? I know a lot of people are saying put Jimmy to the intro. And I agree. I'm talking to Louisl about my Trishma shows and I agree we should do an updated intro with Jimmy and Katie. Oh my God, my mom will be selling merch. Yeah. So I think we'll do a little update if you want an update to your character. What do I have? You guys like an otter with your Emmy. I mean, that's kind of cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess you can add a wig with me, and then.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wig is good. What else defines you? A wig. Okay, so Emmy for you, Moses. Do you want an update to yours? What is yours? Yours is High Archers beta shirt. Tinfish.

[Oscar]

I like mine. No, you hate that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's your brand. Moses hates that.

[Oscar]

Like Tinfo. I don't hate it at all. Like, it keeps evolving and I'm cooking more. Like it's not a plate of Bolognese. I can see why should be eating it. Because he has. He has the kids. Maybe I'm just, like, holding all the kids at once or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I like that. For the podcast, that could be cute. Someone said I should be eating an Arby's mozzarella sticks instead of the chicken nuggets.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is kind of true.

[Oscar]

Well, we'll run it by Arby's and see if they want to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they don't get a choice.

[Oscar]

Just kidding. No, I'm saying it's like, it's a big sponsorship.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

A non branded Schmarby's.

[Oscar]

Schmarby's thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right, we'll do an update.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like it. I like it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, speaking of ADHD awareness, I saw a tweet that really shook me to my core. I actually need my glasses for this because it's serious.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I feel so bad you don't have your glasses.

[Moses Hacmon]

I kind of live, but I have to. This is an important, important tweet I have. I have a wig in mine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always, always. The case of hair in your mouth.

[Moses Hacmon]

I saw this tweet yesterday, and I fell to my knees. You know Schlatt?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I can't say that I do.

[Moses Hacmon]

Rest in peace, Ted Nivison. You are a damn good friend and an even better podcast host. Such a shame you had to die today.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

Tweeted it with this photo, and I about fell to my knees because that does look like he passed away.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so confused.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too. I still don't know the lore. I just know that it was a hoax. It was a hoax.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you sure?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Because Ted has been posting Tick Tock. I have notifications for 10.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was in Tick Tocks, but maybe he just had some in his drafts.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I think Schlatt has also. I think it's a running joke with something that their little podcast. Not little. It's actually huge. But is it huge?

[Trisha Paytas]

What's it called?

[Moses Hacmon]

God, he just started a new one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it huge? What's huge? Like a million views? Downloads?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think so. It was chuckle. Oh, my God. Chuckle Sandwich was what?

[Trisha Paytas]

It was called Chuckle Sandwich. Like a knuckle sandwich. What's. Yeah, what's a chuckle?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like a giggle.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, a chuckle. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, yeah, I was. It was. I guess it was just a random. A prank, if you will. But I did fall to my knees. And I believed it, of course, because I. I would believe.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's pretty. Pretty weird prank, bro.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I really fell to my knees. I was like a world without Ted Nivsen. I fear a world not worth living in.

[Trisha Paytas]

How is Ted? Have you talked to him lately?

[Moses Hacmon]

I haven't, actually, no. I haven't talked to him in a couple months since he was on his little Euro trip.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Sorry. Reply. Nothing.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. He barely posted. Well, whenever he posts his close friends, I get, like, nervous. And I always, like, I always am liking and showing my support that I appreciate being on the Close friends, but I don't want to be like, I'm scared I'm gonna get off of it if I annoy him too much, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think people want the interaction. That's why you're on the close Friends. I think that's how it goes. Who do you think is more nervous, anxious, you or me?

[Moses Hacmon]

That is a fear, because you really do.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, damn, that's crazy. But then I'm like, but that's also me. I guess. Sometimes I mute people so they don't think I watch your stories too much. Like, I really want to see it, but I'm like, let me not be that crazy person.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is a tough call. It's like a photo finish between the two of us.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you do go out a little more than me, But I can push myself to go out too. I don't know. It's so hard.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like it's a toss up between the two because it's also, like, we're both very anxious. And even around people that know us and like us, we just think we're constantly annoying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always. Yeah, I think I annoy you. I definitely annoy Moses. I'm always like, so sorry. I'm always like, sorry. Thanks. Sorry.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe we do annoy people. Maybe it's not in our head. Maybe it's definitely in your head.

[Oscar]

Definitely in Your head?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think there's probably people I like. I'm sure there's times I annoy you.

[Oscar]

No, I think it's in your head. Definitely in your head.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't tell if you're real or gas. I have.

[Oscar]

Like, not saying hi to the party host. It's in your head. It's in your head. You know what I mean? Like, it's not. No way that they invited you to the party. They want to say hi to you. So it's in your head. All I'm trying to say is, like, get out of your head. It's fine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sure.

[Oscar]

If you're so worried about annoying people, you can't annoy people.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's what anxiety is, but I think it is in your head.

[Oscar]

Right? Right. For sure. All I'm saying is, like, you don't annoy people because you're so worried about annoying people.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's annoying.

[Oscar]

Yeah, People.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, you annoy me.

[Oscar]

People that are, like, oblivious about their environment are annoying because they do things that. You know what I mean? They have no sense of the surrounding.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses compared me the other day. Like, there was someone. Someone I know, like, like, Loosely or whatever, and he's just like, we're like, two opposites where I'm just, like, so scared to inconvenience anyone. Like, I kind of like, even the Demi party, Like, I don't even want to ask for a plus one. Like, you know, like, I don't want. And then, like, I know someone very, like, loosely who, like, will, like, inconvenience everything. And everyone doesn't even ask, like, whatever. I just, like, so to be around, like, that is, like, so crazy to me because I'm like, oh, my God. I get so much. Like, I literally shut down. I'm like, oh. And, like, it's not a bad thing. Like, I do, like, people who just, like, ask for things and just, like, demand things and command things. Like, I think that's, like, a good thing. I'm just so opposite. Huh?

[Oscar]

It's like secondhand embarrassment. She gets secondhand anxiety.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

You know what I mean? Like, let's say file do something because I feel free, you know, like, somebody gave me the wrong food. I'm like, it's the wrong food. Can you fix it, please? She'll get secondhand anxiety about me doing, like, just a normal thing. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, there's so many things. I'm like, don't say anything. I'll say things like, why? Why? I was like, because Like, I don't want to make anyone feel awkward ever. Like, just leave it. Everything as is. You know, it's just a better way to be. But no, I think so. Sometimes you're too blunt.

[Oscar]

That's fine, too. But, you know, people can correct me.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think being blunt's a bad thing. It's just a lot sometimes.

[Oscar]

But I think at the end of the day, when people get to know me, they know that my intentions are good, so they don't care as much about the delivery. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Sometimes I have to stop Moses with. I'm like, it's just the way you say things. I stand there. I'm like, okay, let me.

[Oscar]

But it's the way you perceive the way I say things. That's what it is.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, like, you just, like, threw. Like, my mom was hearing the baby, so you, like, threw. You threw a blanket at her, and it seemed aggressive. So I was like, I'm like, so sorry. You didn't mean. And my mom.

[Oscar]

It's like the softest little blanket for overhand. Because I didn't know. I didn't know where it's. But it landed. But it landed right next to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then I was like, sorry, he didn't mean to throw it at you like that. And then my mom was like, no, I think he meant to hit me. Obviously, that's a joke. But that's like, I really am, like, just.

[Oscar]

Just in case you need to know, like, I'm throwing you. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

A light or just walk around. Anyways, whatever. It doesn't matter. Here we are. All that to say I'm probably more anxious.

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Being anxious. It is in your head. It's fine to be in your head, right? Oh, now you're giving. Now you're giving. Andy Warhol, maybe. Does he wear glasses?

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're giving that. Yeah, it's the same haircut.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same haircut. Yeah. It's giving that. You look very artist. Artistic, autistic.

[Oscar]

Jimmy can turn into black and white for a second. There's Andy Wall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Poor Jimmy with all the editing, the extra editing. It's like, okay, it's easy. Anyways, you see what I.

[Oscar]

That is the second hand.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses Hacmon]

Someone I think that needs to be your next guest to interview, I think is Janelle Monae. Because Janelle said in a Rolling Stone interview with Lucy Dawkis that she traveled back in time to see David Bowie perform. And they really gagged Lucy. Lucy was like, wait, you traveled back? And Janelle was like, yes, well, yes, I did. And I traveled back and I watched David Bowie and I studied David Bowie. And then I came back and brought that into my artistic vision in present day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where is she from? I know this name.

[Moses Hacmon]

Janelle Monae. She isn't a singer and also acting actor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. But she just dressed up as something for Halloween. I feel like I just thought, yeah, something I liked.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. She always. She just said Beetlejuice.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, wait, I just saw this name and I got it. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I believe.

[Trisha Paytas]

I believe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I always believe queer people.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I don't know her backstory, but I definitely. With a name like Janelle, who loves Beetlejuice, I believe that so much, and I believe in time traveling. I have yet to figure out how did she say. I guess you can't say.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, she didn't reveal the secret to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

How she did it, like, mentally tele.

[Moses Hacmon]

Telepathically, and I mean Lucy. It's funny seeing Lucy's Face like processing it. Cuz like you really seen the face. She's trying to like wrap her head around the words that are coming out of Janelle's mouth. Cuz it really was just like dropped so casually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, oh, I just did this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And like so matter of fact. And like I think, I imagine Lucy was probably trying to work through if this is like react like genuine. A genuine thing or a bit or something. But no, it was. I, I believe Janelle. I truly do believe Janelle.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So interesting. God, you have questions now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. And I think if anyone could handle the interview, like it can't be Gayle King. Like it has to be you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Absolutely not. No. As Lucas Gage said, I am this generation's. Which I believe. Honestly, when someone says that, I'm like, it's fact. Yes, absolutely. Wow. Yeah. Like I guess. Did we talk, have we talked about this? Like is it like possible, scientifically possible?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think we've personally talked about.

[Oscar]

It at some point a little bit. I personally don't think you can travel back in time.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you tried, you tried, you tried. You told me one time. Or like you thought about it really seriously.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah. Like the universe and life is always moving forward and you can move forward, maybe faster, but you can move back. So it's just a question of how fast or slow you're moving.

[Trisha Paytas]

How did you try to look into this? Because I remember you told me what, what made you, what was your path and trying to figure it out.

[Oscar]

Time. Basically what I got to is that time and temperature is one thing. So basically when things are frozen, they're frozen in time. And then just like you're cooking, you take a tomato, you want to move it forward in time, you cook it, it gets to its essence. Or you have leftovers, you want to slow things down, put in the fridge, you want to stop time. So anyway, time is moving according to temperature and when you move, even when you move in space, if you move too fast, it gets too hard, you combust. So. So that's anyway global warming. So time and temperature is one thing. That's how it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. Because I guess if I put like when I'm making like a, like pasta, vodka, if I put too much of the cream and if it's too creamy, I can't evaporate the cream completely. We try a little, you can take.

[Oscar]

The water out, but not. Yeah, you can't go back in time.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can't. Yeah, you know, you know, you know what I'M talking about sometimes when I put too much of something in something and like, oh, wish I for that much. I.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like when you put too much salt.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, too much. Yes, yes. You can't take it out. So maybe that's like, you can't. Yeah, you can't go back in time. I mean, you have to be able to. I would think.

[Oscar]

No, but. But now that we record everything, you'll be able to, like, you know, maybe in three. Like, in, you know, like experience. In 3D. You can experience the past. Maybe. It's almost like we make a movie like Bridgerton. You can be inside of it, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not in that time period.

[Oscar]

No, but an equivalent to it. Like a recreation.

[Trisha Paytas]

So we need to ask questions. So you do not believe that she time traveled physically?

[Oscar]

Maybe she could through. She could journey mentally. Yeah, she could journey with different meditation substances. You can journey. You can meet an entity. So it's possible that she really meditated so hard that she managed to meet David boy and get the essence of what he's about.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. I believe that because someone told me, I probably just saw it on Instagram, that manifestation isn't like just magic. It's like science that, like, neurologically, like, your brain picks up on, like, the vibes. Like, if you're, like, thinking about something interesting. So it's like science. Like, it just happens. Like, if you think about something enough, it just. It just happens.

[Oscar]

It's about frequencies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So, like, better or worse. You know what I mean? So I was like, oh, I didn't.

[Oscar]

I send it to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, maybe you do. I always get stuff like that sent to me. And I was like, I love this. I usually repost it. Follow me on Instagram.

[Oscar]

What was interesting, though, they were showing how people that are actually, they could be. You know, you could be not a good person, but you're very confident in your mind and have a strong will that they get things manifested. And so it's not about whether you're a good person or not. It's really about your ability to communicate to the universe what you want and your frequency aside of karma. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't mean.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think. But if you're, like, rotten inside, like, even if you present good, if you're rotten inside, I think rotten things are just gonna happen to you. Like, if you're just not a person.

[Oscar]

Like, two different things, but karma and.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think energy's aligned. Like, yesterday I was really stressed and I had to, like, get myself back because I was like, if I'm stressed. That means the rest of my life around me is gonna be stressful. And I'm like, no, we're gonna manifest it back to good, good energy. And it took me like an hour to get out of it, but I did. And I feel like my day was on a better path. But I think if you're like a bad person, I think you can change it. You can become a good person. But if you're like, punching kitties in the face, like, I feel like you're gonna, you know, get punched in the.

[Oscar]

Face, maybe that's karma.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Karma's a.

[Moses Hacmon]

My kink is karma.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Chapel Roan.

[Trisha Paytas]

What other karma song? Karma, Karma, Karma, Karma, Karma Camellia.

[Moses Hacmon]

Karma is my boyfriend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh. Is there. Is there a Taylor Swift song?

[Moses Hacmon]

That is the Taylor Swift song, babe.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have a karma song? I don't know anymore.

[Oscar]

Karma song. Wow. I should.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn. I love playing that game, though. I love that game where you, like, say a word and you just go back and forth. You won that one. That was good. Damn, that's a fun game. I wish I could have contributed more to it. You look really great today. I really do like this look on you.

[Moses Hacmon]

I went to horror night last night, So. I know. 45 minutes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Why did we leave with this?

[Moses Hacmon]

I forgot.

[Trisha Paytas]

How was it?

[Moses Hacmon]

There was a five nights at Freddy's Maze and I was like, living. I I. It reignited my hyper fixation for fnaf.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, how's it start?

[Moses Hacmon]

It starts with Freddy performing on, like, the stage or whatever. Although still no song. It's nice to meet you real soon. That song.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Expected to hear it in the maze, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

So what's that even from?

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess someone just made it up on Tick Tock.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not. It's not a real song.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think so. From what I've gathered from. I think Cali told us once.

[Trisha Paytas]

But what about the. Hey, kids. Nice to meet you. Are you ready for some fazberry pizza? Who's this working at the night shift? I don't know, but I don't think I like it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think they play that one either.

[Trisha Paytas]

They have to do the second. If they don't like. We have to boycott. We have to boycott. Like, you know what I mean? Like that those songs are so good. Why would they not according their show about the fandom they have Matt. Pat. Matt Path coming back in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Matt? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he. He's not playing the waiter anymore.

[Moses Hacmon]

The waiter. He's Got a new role.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of like that, though. I'm not gonna even hate. That's kind of cool. Like, you can. You can be the first one and come back in another character. Like, that's very cool. I'm super good for him, honestly. I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it was. It was pop. It was one of the most popular mazes there. It was that and the terrifier. Those were the two.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's terrifier?

[Moses Hacmon]

Terrifier is. Remember I told you about that movie that was so gory that people were passing out in the theater?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, Kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. That one. It's this clown that's just spooky and kooky and spooky.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

The movie? No, but I was not. I was trying to. Trying to boycott the maze because I don't like, like, the concept of the movie just because it's so gory. And then I also don't like the. I don't like clowns as well, ironically. Well, I was not trying to go there, but we accidentally ended up. That was the first maze we ended up at. We're just following people. We ended up there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then Darian made us go into it because, I mean, we walked to it at that point. It was quite a walk. It was quite a walk.

[Trisha Paytas]

Universal. Like a walk.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's like. Because you have to walk down the back lots and stuff, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

But like, to the Mummy Land or like on the back lots.

[Oscar]

This.

[Moses Hacmon]

But they're all over. But the terrifier was, like, in the back lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like with a psycho house.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ish. Yes, yes, yes. So it was quite a walk. Oh, and yeah, we were already down there.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you had to get off the tram to get to it?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, this. You just. They make little pathways and you walk all the way down. Yeah. So it's quite a. It's a hike.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is a hike. Like, what do you mean? The tram usually brings you down there.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it was quite a hike. And then I was like, well, girl, I guess here we go. And the line was really long. It said, you. Once we got to the front, the sign said, warning, you will get wet. And I was like, well, how wet can you possibly get? And then comes girls and ponchos. And I was like, how. I was very, very concerned once I saw the girls come in with ponchos.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I felt unprepared. And then I go in and. Yes. It just. The sensory experience was just too much for me. I usually love, like, I think it's. With these little Mazes, I think they're fun. This one was really damp. There was water flying from every which way. There was one Spoiler alert in case anyone I don't know is trying to go. But one room was a scat room where the clown just takes and smears it everywhere. And it was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. At Universal.

[Moses Hacmon]

At Universal. At Universal. And I. Yeah.

[Oscar]

How did you. What do you mean? How does it defecate?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, the room was called the Naughty Potty Room. And then he murdered someone and rubbed their scat all over. All over the walls and stalls and wrote messages. And at Horror Nights, they spend, like, months developing the smells for each, like, little room in the mazes. And I know because I've done, like, the behind the scenes of it a few years ago, so the second I saw Naughty Party, like, I shut, like, my, like, sensory down. I'm like, I can't smell this. This, because it stays with you for weeks like that. You can't get that scent out.

[Trisha Paytas]

It seems illegal.

[Oscar]

Is this illegal?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I was. And it's just like, everything is wet. Like, all the dividers are, like, just soaking wet. So, like, I left. That was the first maze I did. My hair was all wet. Because they're squirting things in your face. What do you mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Squirting half from, like, water guns or what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Water. Like, there's, like, one room that's bleach. So they're squirting bleach, and it's like water, but it's. They make the room smell like bleach. And it's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you're getting so.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, not soaked, but damp. Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

And that was my first. And I was just like, I do not like this. I do not like this. And I confronted. I did confront the clown when I. Because going into the scout room, I was like, no, this is. This is far too much. So I did speak up.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did you say?

[Moses Hacmon]

I said, this is sick. I said this is sick to the clown. Yes. And the clown just went, like. Kept going like this, telling me to sniff it, and I refused to sniff it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That sounds like a weird kink. Everyone involved in that. That seems weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Sick. It was. And that was the longest line. People were not seated but standing.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you're like. Did you stop to tell him that, or you're just, like, walking by?

[Moses Hacmon]

I was walking by and I was letting him know I was saying, this is sick. This is sick.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think Horror Nights is a little.

[Moses Hacmon]

That one was twisted.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. That's like, literally, Moses's worst nightmare is being damp. Like, if he's a little wet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And there was no escaping because literally, the dividers that you have to walk through, like, you know, the pieces of fabric. I was giving Demi Lovato on Shout out also. It's not that deep in stores and on itunes now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But have you seen when Demi does the Horror Nights with Ellen?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. This was like, one. Another one of her memes where it's like she's, like, laughing, smiling, and then all of a sudden, someone scares her. Then she screams and falls to the floor. And I was giving that very.

[Trisha Paytas]

That. Yeah, that would be me. If I said fall. Even just walking into Horror Nights, I'm. That I'm just like, I can't. I cannot do it. That sounds awful.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Oscar]

I would probably smell it from a mile away. I'm not even gonna come close to it, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. We've never done that, huh? We never done anything scary.

[Oscar]

No, No, I don't get scared. Like, I don't. But. But that part sounds like a nightmare. It sounds like torture smells.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Oscar]

It was giving torture shooting stuff on you. Like, it just sounds like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, if you're in a bleach room, I don't want to, like, have anything that feels remotely like bleach on me.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know you're telling me, sister.

[Trisha Paytas]

That sounds.

[Oscar]

But I mean, after the party room, I would get the bleach.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, bleach was pre potty.

[Oscar]

That makes the potty smells even worse.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you're like, oh, you're already like. And then what's after the potty room?

[Moses Hacmon]

Just, there was one where Art the clown was slicing a woman by her coochie. And I was like, this is also crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

So weird for Universal. Like, where is the. Where is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Was the worst. Was the worst one for sure. But then cut to fnaf, and I was. I mean, they did get me good a few times. Yeah. Like, they make it smell like pizza in there. I was like, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love. Yeah. That's like. Yeah. They're not cutting anyone's hoo.

[Oscar]

Ha.

[Moses Hacmon]

They have people, like, coming out to, like, jump. Scare you, but it's like, it's cutesy to me. Like, that's, like, cute because it's not too gory. And it's just that little cupcake. That little cup. Like, the cupcake's coming out. Yes. And it's cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you wouldn't eat me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And they have, like, Freddie and Stuff. And, you know, Bonnie and Foxy, like, all the girls. The girls are there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So you were, like, living.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. I was, like, laughing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you filming any content or you're just experiencing it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I took this one photo. I think you will. I was channeling you because then after the maze, I was so enamored by Freddy Fazbear again that I. I got the pizza, which was not good, but the box was cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where was that?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was right outside that little. They had Freddy Fazbear's pizza. And I was so excited that I had to buy, even though the pizza wasn't good. And then I needed a photo with it, and somehow I ended up in front of the orange chicken poster, and I felt like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just. I'm so confused. What's the orange chicken poster?

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a Panda express next to the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Freddy Fazbear I love. Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I felt like you in that moment. We do love an orange pizza and orange chicken.

[Trisha Paytas]

I really want to be the face of the orange chicken of Panda Express.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, would love just like, a little panda or something. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love orange chicken, man.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm gonna miss our Panda Express Patreons for a month. Maybe for Thanksgiving. That's so funny. Was it just coincidence or you're like, oh, I'll take a picture. Rise. Are you just like, oh, that was.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just walked out. It was literally, the pizza place was next to the Panda express. So I walked out, and there was the orange chicken. I was like, well, this is where I'm gonna do my photo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, why were you wearing a Snoopy shirt?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because it was Halloween. I don't know. It said Snoopy Spooky Movie club.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay, okay. I didn't see that part. Yeah, Snoopy. I like that. Should have worn at Knott's Berry Farm.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, that would have been good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, don't you have a Freddy Fazbear shirt? I have a chicky. What is it? Chicky?

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that a chica?

[Trisha Paytas]

I wear it all the time. I have, like, this 3x1, and I'm like, it's my favorite, most comfy shirt.

[Moses Hacmon]

I kind of forgot how much I love fnaf. And then I went there, and that's all I could think about. And everyone had their cute little, like, casual cosplays, and I was like, I kind of messed up. I love the little ears. I love the nose. I. The vibes were amazing. Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria.

[Trisha Paytas]

So was it, like, the most popular eatery this.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. There was like other ones. I. There was like a Jason Voorhees like barbecue, which kind of sick and twisted as well because kind of giving cannibalism tease.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? I'd like to see barbecue in the movie. Yeah, like barbecue people.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. But there was fallout. Shout out Walton Goggins because he was there. There was like look alikes Walton Goggins look likes of.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh like his little face, like a little small thing. Did you get a picture?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, because it was in the maze where he was popping up. So you can't really.

[Trisha Paytas]

You didn't go.

[Moses Hacmon]

I went in the maze. But you can't just stop them and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Be like, you can't take a little video.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not like with them really, because you know they're really pushing you. Although there was one maze where it was empty and we were the only ones in there. And that was the spookiest. Spookiest of them all. It was the WWE maze. Oh, girl. I. Don't ask me because I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's giving like the weekend just like ran out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Even more random though. But we walk in and literally I was like, are we in the wrong place? Because there was no one. And then they're ushering me in and there's like nary a worker in there. So I'm like, already lost. And then it's just the scare actors and I remember walking in and it's pitch black and it's just like the scare actors with like glowy eyes. They had some like goggles on or something and it's like a tight little hallway. And I said, oh, hell no. Because they're all just. You're the only one that they can focus on. So they were locked.

[Oscar]

Locked the.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then what. What were they doing?

[Moses Hacmon]

They were jumping out, trying to. And like trying to get me. And I. I booked it and I left Darian and I.

[Trisha Paytas]

You ran?

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I sped walk.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's like I walked really fast and then I left Darian and then Darian got lost because it was so dark and there was no one. Usually you have someone like, you know, to point you in the way, but I don't know, everyone was clocked out or something. So he got lost and then he. I had to go back and find them. It was a whole to do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. So you went back in a second time?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I was just like ahead of him, like down the hall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you went backwards?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, I had to go backwards to.

[Oscar]

Find him because he was Like, I'll meet you at home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, honestly, I would be like that. I'd had texts all the time. Like, you know what? I gotta sit this.

[Oscar]

She does. I know when she does the speed walk. The moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gotta go. Bye. I'll, like, meet you in the car. Literally, I'm like, gotta go.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I would love to see you do. I feel like you could do the fnaf one because it is cutesy. It's really cute.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Maybe that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because the movie, like, wasn't scary. I'm usually scared of movies. That one, like, wasn't scary.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like a little creepy. But. But the tea. There was literally a girl who must have been like 4 years old there.

[Trisha Paytas]

And 4 is crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, literally 4. Because she was tired. Like, she was small. She. But there is like the tram that you can go on. And then they. They like drop you off in this one area in the back. And it was like Blumhouse themed. So it was like the Purge. Megan. Oh, Black Phone, which is ooky, spooky.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's that one?

[Moses Hacmon]

Black Phone is the new one. Well, Black Phone 2 just came out last week, but it's a Blumhouse movie with the villain is the Grabber. And the Grabber grabs little boys and keeps them in the basement.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hey. Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

So that was a little controversial, but that's what Darian said is like, should they even have the Grabber? I'm like, you can't. Are you going to cancel the Grabber?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I mean, yeah, don't have it at the parks. They had a. They had a house war in a maze.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I was part of the maze.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I feel like that's like just too real. Like, I get it, I guess, if you want to make a movie about it, but maybe not like irl, you know, like, that seems.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I do get the moral ambiguity. The. The Grabber was also in Fortnite and that was also a thing like character who is a PDF file be in a children's game.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, probably not.

[Moses Hacmon]

But also it's like they have all these other killers in there. So I'm like. I mean, Art the Clown is also like ripping little kids apart. So it's like, huh. But I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God, why little kids? Why are we. That's so weird, right? Like, at least Jason's like teenagers, you know? Yeah. Like these, like. The kid thing is weird, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

But this little four year old was like living her best life. I was. At first, I was like, had that moment of like, shush. Is this allowed? Like, should she be here? But she was living, like, laughing. She went up to a Megan and gave her a little heart.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And was like, waving to all the. Like, they had chainsaws and she was just giggling and having fun.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's a psych evaluation. Are you okay, little girl? Like, what do you mean? No, I seen that on TikTok. I saw one similar where they took, like, a little girl. It was like, weeks ago. And, like, they were, like, circling around her and she was, like, living her best life, I guess. That's interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't. Yeah. Maybe because me as an adult get gets, you know, a little spooked.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe because we're just, like, scared. Maybe there are people who just like. It's just. It's art or something, you know, may look at an artistic way. Probably something I definitely don't get.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Like, I guess the performances are good. So if you are going for the art. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you really gave on that one. Who's scarier, Freddy Fazbear or Freddy Krueger?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Freddy Krueger, you'd be more scared.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, who would you rather like, key with? With?

[Moses Hacmon]

I relate you with the Freddy Fazbear gang. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, he does eat kids, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

He does eat kids, but he's also kind of cutesy. And the pizza. The pizza in the movie looks better than, you know, in real life, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Freddy Krueger is just like, in your dreams, you know, so just like.

[Moses Hacmon]

But if he kills. Hurts you in the dreams, he hurts you in real life.

[Oscar]

Yeah, like he terrorizes you more in real life. Freddy Krueger, like, scarier.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I thought he only comes and gets you in your dreams. Just don't fall asleep.

[Moses Hacmon]

So you're gonna never sleep.

[Oscar]

But you can't control that with the bear. At least you can wake me up.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I mean, Freddy Krueger may be a little more attractive than Freddy Fazbear. He's not killing kids. Jim Carrey's gonna play him. Did you hear that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Fazbear or Krueger.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know what? Both would be great. But I heard Freddy Krueger, he's taking over.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You didn't hear that? That was in the news outlets this week. It was all over my Twitter because Robert England has retired. So I guess he's taking over. Didn't we talk about him taking him for the Jetsons too? But I heard Freddy Krueger.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would actually be really good.

[Moses Hacmon]

I could see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he should go that direction because he has been kind of spooky in the past couple decade. Right. Like, in interviews, like, we're kind of like, oh, is this real?

[Moses Hacmon]

He's Jim Carrey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Promoting Sonic the Hedgehog, Jimmy's favorite movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he in that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, he's the bald guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he says he hates it. Right? Like, he just wants a paycheck.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, he doesn't say he hates it, but he just say he did it for the paycheck.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I always think of him going, like, on red carpets and be like, what is life like? This is all.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but it's more spiritual, existential.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Because, like, yeah.

[Oscar]

Like, what does all this mean? Yeah, it's like. It's like somebody that did, you know, mushroom for the first time.

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

We remember he went to, like, one, like, the fashion show. He's like, I just picked the most ridiculous place I could come, and that's why I'm here tonight.

[Oscar]

Like, he's just, like, a little cuckoo or very real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Enlightened, maybe something great. He should go on Jay Shetty's podcast.

[Oscar]

Or hear that be. But I think almost he's too real for J. I think Jay Shetty is where people go to do pr.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

It's very tailored. It's a PR piece.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't stop thinking about Jay Shetty playing football. David Dobrik, and thinking, David Dobrik should on Jay Shetty's podcast. I would love to try to ask.

[Oscar]

Him some questions, you know, he won't ask him.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're friends. Maybe he's gonna. Maybe he could get through to him. Like. Like, I'm being so serious. Like, what if he has him on the podcast and asks him the questions he asked everyone else? Like, who hurt you? Like, what's the deal not to be this person again about David Dobrik? But it was crazy. I was listening to his podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

The craziest thing Spotify Wrapped is literally gonna be the Views podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's the only thing I listen to. I never usually drive, but because I was rehearsing for my music videos, I was. I was doing these dance rehearsals. So he said he loves giving money away. He's like, I will give money to anyone that asks. I love just giving money. And I was like, yeah. Like, he just gives money to everyone. I have to be like, david, stop giving money away to people. And I'm like, jeff, like, it's just crazy because I get not wanting to talk about something, like, not addressing the situation, like, whatever, but to be like, I just love giving money away to anybody. Like, I just. That's my. My. He's like, that's my downfall. Just giving money away to my friends. Like, I just give. I give so much. People just say, stop giving money away. Like, that's so crazy to me. Like, that's so wild.

[Oscar]

People say, like, because I don't like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

How many people come across that, say that? And.

[Trisha Paytas]

But so publicly where it's like, you're buying all these. You're doing all these things and you're just like, so publicly that you didn't like, pay for any of Jeff's surgeries even that you had to do, like, go through your insurance, allegedly or not. Lack of. I don't know, whatever. Like, so. Oh, crazy me. Anyways, that bothered me. He's that. Now that. That horror maze at Universal, David Dobrik Block Squad. That's where it should be.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is a good idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

And give all the proceeds to Jeff for his eye surgeries. Because, like, what. That's. That's my real.

[Oscar]

Yeah. There's a crane room. And I mean, I just opened my TikTok the other day and I see some kids, like some people throwing something into an aquarium and it blew up in a house. And I look, I'm like, wait, that sounds familiar. The voice. And it was David Oak.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait, what? He blew up an aquarium?

[Oscar]

Like they were. They were doing something like with chemistry. They were throwing something that falls into water and then it blows up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Oscar]

And it was literally in a house.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

It had to be him.

[Trisha Paytas]

And aquariums are not cheap. Whose aquarium did he blow?

[Oscar]

No, I mean, it wasn't big, but it was more the explosion in a house. Like, somebody could have got hurt for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's kind of low key. I mean, he gets a lot of views, but damn. Like, kind of here low key. Like, you don't. I don't know. Anyways, that's a real Moses Horror is getting wet, which sounds like the naughty potty. My horror is the David Dobrik vlog squad. What would your horror house be that you're actually was terrified?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, good question. Realistically, I don't like clowns. I really don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really. That's like a fear for real.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But what is the fear of clowns that people don't like? I know. It's a very popular phobia. Like, what is it for me?

[Moses Hacmon]

I can trace it back to my brothers telling me that a clown was going to kill me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Oh, interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. I. But My other fear, which was active on horror nights, is straight teenage boys yelling, like six, seven, and all that around.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

If it was a maze of just like, straight boys yelling, teenage boys. Brain rot things, I. That might be the spookiest. Spookiest of all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Teenage boys are still the worst. I got. I got more confirmation of this yesterday. My photographer, Naz, who just has, like, a short haircut, like, literally was like, yeah, Teenage boys will always be like, are you a boy? Are you a girl? And I was like, teenage boys are the freaking weirdest. Like, what do you mean? Like, you're a teenager. Okay. Like, because we're talking about, like, little kids just being, like, asking questions. Oh, yeah, little kids at like, we were talking about some, like, little kids ask questions. And like, we were talking about. I think Tony was like, oh, like my nephews have, you know, whatever. I said, like, you're fowers. And like, mine too. My, like, people have been like, oh, it looks like you're pregnant. Whatever. Kids are real. But teenage boys, like, what do you mean? Like, they're just. They just try to terrorize you. And she. They'll just say that as they're like, driving by. If she's like, walking or something, they'll just like, shout that out. And I was just like, they are. That's the real. Right there. You're right.

[Oscar]

I found it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. What is it?

[Oscar]

Sodium metal trick shot.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is the sodium metal trick shot. Hit it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my. Oh, my God. Literally, people just like, can't hear and they're like, haha. It's so funny. Like, my ears ringing.

[Oscar]

Like, what are you doing?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's his house. It looks like his house.

[Oscar]

Like, what's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I.

[Oscar]

This is what we're resorting to as far as content creation. It's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lots of words. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, that kind of stuff is so weird. But I guess people like it. I don't know. I'm like, trying to keep open mind about people out there that enjoy it, but I'm so confused. And also, he's just like, so like, you. You're rich. Like, he is like, can. He can be creative in other ways. Like, I just. I'm so, like, I'm disappointed. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed about it because it's just like, weird. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I'm assuming he's trying to be like, Jack doesn't seem like a great actor, so yes, he is giving, like, acting in stage boots, but haven't we been there, like exploding random things, like doing little stunts. The jack of it all. Like, haven't we been there, done that? Like, where is evolution? Where. Where are the eras? You know, I mean, like, we stuck in the one era since 2018. I feel like in the one era where eras of David tour mama. It's one. It's singular. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you had a little. You almost went there with like a fitness journey. I was like, love this. I'd rather see him back doing AB stuff, you know, at some.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just want to see something, something new, something fresh, and it's giving. There's nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no giving, nothing. No evolution.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is nuts to me. But he did pop up. And I do blame you because probably my phone, you say David Dobrik that, like, it did pop up. Very recommended one of his vlogs, which is the first time it's ever happened in my algorithm. And it had like a million point one views in less than 24 hours. Yeah, Gaggy. I didn't know people were still.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he gets a lot. And that's why I'm like. I do try to keep it open mind. I'm like, well, maybe. Okay, maybe I'm missing something. And then I see something like that. I'm like, I guess it is like the jack of it all, but it's just also like. And maybe there's like just a new audience. It's like, doesn't know about. So it's like, oh, this is new to us. I don't know. I don't know. I don't get it.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, the psychology is definitely interesting. I don't know. I really don't. I mean, it's like, I feel like it's a lot of the times, like, you have like the cognitive dissonance of like the whole, like, problematic phase things or whatever. And I get problematic phase when, like, they're redeemed. Problematic faves. But how people be like, you know, 10 toes down in the problematicness still. It's like, oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, he says. He says it's his dream to move back to Vernon Hills and become a teacher.

[Moses Hacmon]

So go for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so too. I think that's a good error for him.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm scared for those kids. Like, what are they gonna wear? Right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, he should be a science teacher. If he's mixing sodium and magnesium and metal, it's like, what? How are you mixing all those together?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. That reminds me too of. Do you remember Sam Pepper?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Did you see that clip of him In India.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. He was celebrating Diwali. It was like a viral clip because he was live streaming. But he was being similar to David Dobrik, just like a little menace. And he was shooting firecrackers. He shot a firecracker, like, at a.

[Oscar]

Little girl's face, at people, like, holding it and pointing it at a group of people standing there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And was he not arrested? Detained? Like, what. How is that any of that legal?

[Moses Hacmon]

I know it should. That.

[Trisha Paytas]

The fireworks, the aiming it at someone and hitting someone's face, like, a little.

[Oscar]

Another video, when they confronted him, he was like, well, they were shooting at us first or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

And if he shot.

[Oscar]

But literally kids.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, kids. Our kids. I would literally be in jail. I'd be like, what? What do you mean? Like, what a prick. Like, what? And no one said anything. Like, no one. I have not heard this at all. Like, where did you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Just like, I saw it on Twitter. The clip. He's a kick streamer. And a clip from his stream, because he was irl, like, live streaming during this, a clip got posted to Twitter and that's where it got, like, some pickup.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

But. But yeah, he did injure a girl. Doing. Doing that. And he did get confronted for it. I mean, he did. The locals in India did confirm that a girl was injured.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Stance of the injury is, like, unsure, I guess, but still jail.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what do you mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

I know it doesn't. Yeah, because, I mean, it's not even a. Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're aiming it at someone is. You know, what do you think is gonna happen?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, you were intentionally trying to harm someone.

[Moses Hacmon]

He did tweet a statement. He said, wasn't India tonight with another big group firing small firecrackers back and forth at each other. Seems stupid now that I'm writing this, but one of the group on the other side got hit by a cracker. I shot and got a cut above their eyebrow. I feel terrible. We sent someone to get them checked out and made sure all costs were paid. They got a stitch and now they are back home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hate it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hate it, too. I mean, I forgot about sandpaper.

[Trisha Paytas]

I did, too, because he always. I don't think he's always problematic, but, like, he was right. Like, he didn't. He do, like, a prank where he was, like, kidnapped and, like, shot?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, yes, like, right, I forgot about that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just really crazy stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you grow out of it. Like, he has to be. It has to be 10 years later. He has to be, like, 30 something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, and he was part of the. The UK. YouTube.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Joe. Yeah. And look at Zoella and Joe just living their lives. Yeah. And then here's this one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dan and Phil coming out their relationship, you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone has, like, this, like, cute, wholesome life. Huh? I hate it. I know. I. I guess because you're just like. That is like the age again, maybe this is like a whole world, like, part of the Internet that we're, like, know nothing about. Like, these streamers that kick, like, 36.

[Moses Hacmon]

36, to be accurate.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And, like, that apology is crazy. Like, what do you mean? Why were you fight. Like. Yeah, I'd be pissed. Oh, I'm pissed for that.

[Moses Hacmon]

And the cultural insensitivity of it all. Like, you're in India celebrating Diwali and that's what you're.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like, no, stay. Where's he from? England. Just stay there. Well, they probably don't want you doing that over there either. But, I mean, Insane.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hate it. That's what I. That's the bad part of, like, social media is just people are trying to outdo themselves, outdo each other. Like, make a moment. Unless you're doing it just for fun. In that case, that's, like, even weirder. But I didn't see that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ugh. I haven't. David Dobrik have any cross.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what they give similar energy. You know what I mean? They really do.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's happening over there?

[Oscar]

Sending Jimmy a picture.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love Jimmy. Just getting text from Moses throughout the day. We took a selfie together.

[Oscar]

No, because I was sending him Hot Topics, you know, what we talk about. And then he got nervous. He got nervous because. Yeah, all the B roll as we do it. But he gets nervous because tomorrow we're doing our group episode. He's like, oh, my God, is it today?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, got it.

[Oscar]

He didn't know we were filming today 2.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you thought you just. We just started filming without him. We're just filming now. Why don't you do it all at once at the end? What notes?

[Oscar]

It's more complicated to go back and find all those TikToks and little screenshots.

[Trisha Paytas]

But why don't you put it on your notes app and just, like, do a running list of notes like Oscar does?

[Oscar]

I just send him. We have our system.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm trying to stream, and you're just sitting.

[Oscar]

No, I don't think he's. I don't think he's streaming at night. In the morning.

[Moses Hacmon]

He streams at night.

[Oscar]

He's not a streamer then. He just won't reply.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Anyway, that's fine. But that's me. I don't know. I just was. Okay. Shout out. Jimmy, you did not miss today.

[Moses Hacmon]

There have been a lot of debaucherous people on. On social media lately because the other girl, the girl who faked having her baby, I must. You saw that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, Yes, I did see this one.

[Moses Hacmon]

That one was also crazy, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, because that one, she had, like, a baby shower.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, parents were involved. She, like, told the parents. And why did she fake it? To keep. Keep a boyfriend.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So Kira Cousins, she's from Scotland. She faked her whole pregnancy. She had, like, the baby. The growing baby bump over, like, the months, had the gender reveal party. She went. She really did the full process. And, like, obviously, it's kind of hard to know exactly. Like, obviously there is a mental illness. There has to be. So. But from, like, the details that have been shared so far, it kind of seems like she wanted to keep, like, an emotional attachment to her boyfriend, who they were having, like, some problems, and that's kind of what it seemed, because also with the baby, he wanted to get, like, a paternity test done to see if it was even his thinking it was a real baby. Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

But did she fake that, too?

[Moses Hacmon]

She faked, like, everything because he was. She was making him after the baby was quote, unquote, born, and even before that, she was making him take her to, like, doctor's appointments. So he was literally driving her to doctor's appointments, like, pre giving birth and then after, and being like, no, like, I don't want you in there. Just wait here in the car. So she would go into the doc, quote, unquote, doctor's appointments by herself, and then she would come out afterwards. Yeah. So she saw this all the way through, which is.

[Oscar]

Yeah, she bought, like, you know, one of those realistic babies.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, but he would know or what?

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, it's like there were.

[Oscar]

There were a lot of people because she was. At one time, she went with a friend to work and she had the baby with her, and she would let people. And somebody went to, like, lift the. The blanket to look at the baby, and she, like, ran over and, like, covered. Because they just wanted to see his feet or something. Or the baby's feet. Yeah, there's something, like, really, like, there was a lot. But the amount of people that you can deceive is insane.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, that's a lot. That's like exhausting. Like, how do you keep up with that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, because I mean, all the way through from the baby bun to giving birth. And there were things along the way, like as she was getting closer to quote unquote, giving birth, she would say, like, oh, she would post these, like, little updates on Facebook, like, oh, I just found out from like the sonogram that the baby has, like a heart condition. So making it seem like, like the baby wasn't gonna make it. But she did end up having. Giving birth. And yeah, she should have just ended.

[Trisha Paytas]

It there, like, been like, oh, heart condition's not coming.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. Like, the psychology is like, so. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, deeply disturbed. So what was the revelation? What ended this? Why did it become a story?

[Moses Hacmon]

So I think it just became viral because it is such a mind blowing, unthinkable thing to do to fake to that experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

But who started it? Like, where did it start? Where did it come from? The story? She put it out there. Who put it out there?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And she. I mean, she was posting this. She's like a social media person. She was doing this a lot on Facebook and it was big in this community because it was like a small town in Scotland, so the community was kind of like following it along too. And then once she start. She was. Once she gave birth, she was posting photos of her baby and they were spreading around the town because some people were like. There were some people being like, that baby looks dead. Because it was like, no, like life to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And even her boyfriend's mom, like, she was not letting anyone touch the baby. And there was a moment where her boyfriend's mom, like, held it. She even get the. I forgot the baby's name, but she even gave the baby a name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Bonnie. Bonnie Lee was the baby's name. And her boyfriend's mom held. It was like this baby, there's is cold. Like, there's no warmth to the baby. And then she had a friend come and pick her up. She's like, I just. I can't stay at that house anymore. And how she. And even her family, her own family didn't know, like, was bamboozled. And how she finally got caught is one of her family members came into her room and she was on her phone and the baby, because it's a doll, was just laying on the bed and they were like, they were gagged. That was like the first time they actually saw the baby. And then once she was caught, she called her boyfriend and was still trying to lie to him. She was like, like something happened to Bonnie. She's dead. Oh my God. It was just like spiraling and spiraling and spiraling.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh no. God, that is.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's so many layers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's she at? Did someone like commit her? Because like that sounds scary.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know, it's. It really is scary. I hope she gets help mentally because they're.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like weirdly can understand some of it. Like I understand like some psychology behind it and like getting too deep. But yeah, like at what point are you just like I need help maybe. Did she like, is she on social media?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she like I need help guys? Is she like. No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The, the updates have come from like the family. Like her cousin went to Tick Tock and gave an update because it was like getting so much pickup and becoming so viral. So like family.

[Oscar]

Her.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's family members or people from the town that like have like witnessed her and stuff. Cuz she was taking her baby out for walks in the stroller. Like she was really committed.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder if she had like some sort of like maybe pregnancy loss. Cuz I was realistic. Babies are usually for moms who had some sort of loss. Maybe she went through something.

[Moses Hacmon]

She even. It's complicated with her because then people have come out. Even before she started faking her pregnancy. Another other girl on Tick Tock came out and said like I met her when I was on vacation and this was like a year ago and she had said that she already had a daughter with her boyfriend, like a 4 year old daughter and that she was sick with cancer.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my.

[Moses Hacmon]

So she's told like other. And they have. And she had like photos of them on vacation where she met her Kira and to kind of like validate it. But yeah, so she was lying about other stuff as well. I don't even have the breath to cover like the site, like what could psychologically be there. But I mean it is, I guess or something. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it's beyond like compulsive lying. But I mean this happens. It seems to happen quite frequently. At least we hear about it a lot because like I, I just saw. I don't know if it's on Tick Tock or Twitter because we're on the same page a lot. But like someone survived like a fetal abduction. Did you see that lady? She just recently came out the story and like, like there was someone who didn't survive a fetal abduction. Another girl that like became friends. Remember that one in Texas. They like, met on Facebook. They both were pregnant at the same time. The. The one girl just, like, wasn't pregnant, so she, like, took the baby of the other girl.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I mean, the whole purpose of her becoming friends with her from the beginning.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I do remember this. And it was like, right, like, after, like, went, like it was out. Like, the baby was pulled out, like, on the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like on the side of the freeway, like, the layout. And then they. They questioned her and like, she's like, yeah, I just gave birth to this baby. And they're like. And the doctor, like, examined her and everything, and she's just like, yeah, I just gave birth. And the doctor's like, no, you didn't. Like, it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I think the biological mom passed away. Right? Yeah, I do remember that when she had kids.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. It's like, gives me chills. And it feels like this happens a lot. And it's like. And it's just regular girls, just like everyday girls. And it's just like, that's. I guess. I don't know. Yeah. Like, where is the signs? I guess it starts at that. The lying. Right. Like compulsive liars. And I can feel for that in a sense, because, like, I think that does tie to mental illness. But, like, you just don't know when to get help until it becomes too real.

[Oscar]

So, like, hopefully this one, it feels like she had a very specific agenda. Was the boyfriend not to lose him. So the lie just got bigger. But she couldn't stop because the minute the lie stops, she loses him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Everything. Yeah.

[Oscar]

So just kept going and going with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, at least I guess no one was harmed.

[Oscar]

I mean. I mean, the boyfriend, of course. To feel like you had a baby, don't have a bit. Like, there's a lot to that, just psychologically.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And like, there's. She had a baby shower, so her family and friends were giving her gifts and money for. For the baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I, like, feel like, sad for her, though. Like, I feel, like, bad. Like, I feel like. I feel like I know how could get there that way. Like, how you could just feel like there's no turning back. Like you just think you got to keep going.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's hard for me to be like, oh, she's a ter. Like, obviously what she did was terrible, but there has to be something mentally there which makes me, like, gives me pause and, like, makes me just concerned.

[Trisha Paytas]

Concerned. And it just seems to happen to a lot of, like, females. Like, Like, I don't know, it seems like a lot of these because it starts with the. Yeah, you want to keep somebody. But then it just like, like you said, I. I know the feeling of you just got to keep going. You just got to. To keep going with it. And then you just start like spiraling and just. It gets out of control. She like, I guess you can't go to jail for something like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I was wondering too. I was like, at what point is it illegal? And yeah, I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know it's. Any of it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. And it's like not American law. It's Scottish law too, right? Oh, I think it's just a moral thing. Not in a illegal, but like.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you can't commit someone for like doing that, like being like they're. Hey, they're. They might need help.

[Oscar]

Help.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think maybe once they become a. A danger to which it kind of seems like. Right. Like a danger to themselves or others. It kind of. It seems like it. From just how extreme that is. But it's so hard to tell.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Like. Sorry, you're big.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I know, I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was hard. Okay. Okay. There was a lot happening. Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I'll be. I'm playing with it the whole time. You.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sorry. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Well, this is the test of your.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know why.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. You can't play character.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were doing it on purpose. I just cannot hold it together. I was like, stop.

[Oscar]

Sorry.

[Moses Hacmon]

You want that Emmy girl? Let's see you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I can't. Can't hold it together. Okay. I also have very tight braids on for the past three days in music videos. Cuz I've been doing wigs and because I didn't have my wig guy Tony, shout out today, do my wig. I just kept the braids in and they're so tight.

[Moses Hacmon]

24 hours.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, 72 hours.

[Moses Hacmon]

You haven't taken them out the whole time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he did them late for me on Tuesday to keep it. He's like, we'll just keep him for tomorrow. I was like, all right, fine. And then I kept him in two more days. And I was like, so they're so tight. So after this for our extended. I might take it. And they were great. They're wonderful because it's light, but it's also just like squeezing my head like the.

[Oscar]

A point where I opened my thing in the back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, the wig. Yeah. The wig is actually not the worst of it. It's more of the. The tightness of the braids like they are.

[Oscar]

We should have loosened It.

[Trisha Paytas]

Huh?

[Oscar]

We should have loosened it before.

[Trisha Paytas]

I couldn't really take the mouth this so that with the lights and then you just like flick it. I was just like, this is a lot. All of it. Okay. Any happy news?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, oh, oh. I was gonna say I have more sad news.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you are your. Your little blue. What was the little pooper said? Depression. I saw Suzanne Summers husband Frank made an AI of her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. That's depressing to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, sweet.

[Moses Hacmon]

I got. I mean, it is again the moral quandary of like, you know, the family wants that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, he has her family. Doesn't he make all the decisions because he's the husband?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So, like, it is that moral quandary of like the family, like, that's what. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

They want it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Versus what everyone else thinks might be weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, exactly. So it's like, you know, it's kind of sweet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Although then I'm kind of like, is he profiting off it or just for him, that's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I feel like it's just a slippery slope with like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz he says something like, it's for the fans.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's also like death is a thing. Like we kind of just have to come to terms with that's like life and death. Like, you just can't avoid it. And I feel like the quest to like, circumnavigate that or like, figure out a way to dodge it. It's like you don't think there's people.

[Oscar]

That clone their dogs thinking this will be the same dog, even though it's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you can clone dogs? How?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Barbara Streisand, I want to say, did that.

[Trisha Paytas]

How come you can't clone humans then? Why do they clone the dogs through hair? Through what?

[Moses Hacmon]

DNA? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you can buy a clone human. How come we can't do that?

[Oscar]

You can, but the.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's the moral.

[Oscar]

Just illegal.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

There's no.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean it's illegal? Well, so what about hackers and stuff? Like. Like, why don't they do it? You know, the underground people of the world?

[Oscar]

They probably do. They probably do.

[Trisha Paytas]

You think? Wait, but don't you think we'd see the clones of the people that they clone? Where would they be?

[Moses Hacmon]

Underground.

[Trisha Paytas]

They keep them underground with them.

[Oscar]

Depends on the purpose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you. Wait so someone can just clone me?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Okay. Are we against?

[Oscar]

Well, I think it's probably not for the purpose of cloning a whole specific person. It's more for organs, body parts. Oh, stuff like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I got dark. Some of me. Happy, light, everybody.

[Oscar]

Well, you can't talk about cloning people and have it be.

[Trisha Paytas]

I thought it was just for, like, a key. Like, you know, like, why keep a.

[Moses Hacmon]

Version of yourself spooky. Like, oh, my God, spooky Halloween.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want something fun. Like, is it cake? Halloween edition? Like, that's what I'm trying to find. I don't mean.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, I'll save my neck. My sad one, I guess for Travis Kelsey's new business investment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Six Flags.

[Moses Hacmon]

Six Flags. Does anyone love besides Satan? Dawson. Sorry again. Is anyone loving thing for a Six Flags like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think that's where all the fights break out. I think it's like, as far as amusement parks go, the not desirable one. It's also like, there's a lot of. Not to be Shane Dawson again. But, like, he has all those, like, death deaths at amusement parks. We're always at Six Flags.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Six Flags is the most.

[Trisha Paytas]

Allegedly. I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess. I wonder what the statistics are statistically.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Disneyland statistically has zero because they make them get off the site before they pronounce them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, go off the. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because someone recently, I think allegedly passed away Disneyland. But then they were saying they waited till they were outside the parks to declare them dead.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which, like, I guess, allegedly. Allegedly. Maybe not. Maybe no one's died there. That's pretty magical.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's, like, random ones that have, like, the most. And, like, Action park in New Jersey is the one that technically has the most death.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, God. Why doesn't it close down then? Action park, like, what do you mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Once you have that, like, reputation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think we got to close up shop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But the Great Adventure and Six Flag. Great. Six Flags Great Adventure has 13 deaths and Magic Mountain here in California has seven. I guess that's not. I. In my head, I thought there'd be.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot more weirdly, like, of all time.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I feel like Shannon would show on, like, every week. That's crazy. Oh, my. Okay, well, good. I guess. I guess that's good. Seven into their whole entire existence.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was the. Where's the first one at?

[Moses Hacmon]

6 Life. Great adventure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sounds familiar. Magic Mountains. Valencia. I know that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Great Adventure is in New Jersey.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's going on happening in New Jersey?

[Moses Hacmon]

You'll be nearby. You can investigate.

[Trisha Paytas]

I will be. Newark, New Jersey. Hamilton said everything is legal in New Jersey. The treasurer.

[Moses Hacmon]

Everything's illegal. Illegal, legal.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, everything's legal in New Jersey.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess they're not tightening the screws on those coasters over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a little dubious.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is sad.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know at Universal here in California, they were doing construction on the new roller coaster. I guess they do it at night and even with horror nights, they're still building it. And I was like, that's weird how easy it is to build one of these things. They literally were just. With the wrench tightening of screw, I'm like, that's all it takes to get a roller coaster.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which makes me wonder, like, can someone just unscrew it? Like that's scary. What do you mean? They're just like screwing it at night with everybody there? If some dubious person, a teenage boy wants to go up there and unscrew it, like, no, thank you. What are they building and where as inferious coaster. Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is huge.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where like throughout the whole park.

[Moses Hacmon]

It goes around the whole park. Like it goes over the escalators.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's crazy. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Been there in so long.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's so like it goes over the back lot and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

When's it supposed to be done?

[Moses Hacmon]

2026. No date. But I'm. That's what I said too. I'm like, it's already going to be ready to go next year.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm like, I'm a little suspicious.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you like roller coasters?

[Moses Hacmon]

In theory I do.

[Trisha Paytas]

You do?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not in theory.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm really anxious getting on it. I'm anxious being like waiting for it to go and then once it goes and like I'm having fun and there's like 45 seconds or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you like it then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. I'm trepidatious even while I'm like going on it and then. But I always forget to keep my head back and I always end up neck hurting. Yeah. But I do have the sick back to Six Flags. I do have the PTSD of not fitting on a 6. Flat on the Riddler at Six Flags. Oh, no, too big.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's that? When it goes over you?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's one of those.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what happened? They don't. You get off.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's always the worst when you're holding the ride up and then you have to get off and they gotta lock everyone back in and you're sitting on the sidelines like, oh, big boy was too big for the Riddler. It's like, oh God.

[Trisha Paytas]

They didn't have plus size park hoppers back then. You wouldn't know where you could fit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I always look at them before I go Disneyland. Anything because like it is so real. Because even some. Some rides are just small.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I don't think I'm, like, huge, you know, but it's like, there's some rides that are very tight that I'm like, who else? Like, how could anyone else fit in this? I know. I don't know. It's like, yeah, everything needs bigger seats, I think, just for comfort for everyone.

[Moses Hacmon]

I. And then, you know what's the worst, though, is, you know, when it's, like, the one lap bar and everyone's in the row, and then you're the reason why, like, it won't last.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I've been there. There, too. I've been there, too. I think mine was on. God. There's one really tight one. Is it like the Mummy? There's one that was, like, really tight. And I, like, never went back on it. Maybe not. Maybe Indiana Jones, one of those ones that, like, makes you go back and forward. And I.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's the worst on Jurassic Park. The ride, it's just like the. Everyone's, like, in one row. It's like a long bench.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's just like that one long bar that comes down. So if you have one biggie on there and then Darian is teeny tiny. Yes. And he is jostling around. I'm, like, keeping him down. Like, okay, don't fly out and get freaking taken by a T. Rex. I am like, think about that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what about a little kid even? Like, what if Malibu's on there? Like, what? You have to keep him down.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess. I mean, granted, of course, it is like, it would take a lot of velocity to fly out, but I'm like, you know, I'm not.

[Trisha Paytas]

But when you go down. I didn't think about that. Oh, my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Liquid right out.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's right. I guess I have to, like, balance it, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or if you ever. Have you ever been in a helicopter? No, they balance it out. Like, I remember I went in one side. Yeah. No biggie's on one side. By themselves.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the skinnies are all on the other side. I was the biggie in this situation. I went with a guy one time. One time I don't love. I am very fearful of helicopters. I'm very fearful of them. I went one time and I'm like, okay, everything's fine. Went to Santa Barbara. We came back. We had to, like, land in the middle of the night because, like, something was wrong with the airplane. And I was like, like, absolutely not. We had to get a Car on the way back. And I was like, absolutely not. Never again. But it was that. It was like they way before you go on and the pilot and the guy was on one side and then I was on the other side to like balance out the helicopter. Which that alone. I'm like, I don't know if I want to balance it out. I hate that. Like anytime we see a weight capacity on the elevator, I'm always like, let's look around. If there's other fatties, only one of us can be on here. Like, it's like. It is very real. Because getting second elevator sounds horrible too. So I'm like, let me just. Just. I don't know anything, anything. Like weight limits. I just don't love. I just want to be on the ground. I want to be on the ground. I feel you plant on the ground.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's just too much. But being big on those roller coasters. But yeah, I do like when they have the testing before you go on, like they have the seats.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, they started doing that now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is good for people or luggage for.

[Oscar]

I guess when you're people are the luggage.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are the luggage.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We really. We so confused.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, yeah, they'll have this like on the newer roller coasters now. They'll have like a like a seat example and you can test it to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Make sure you get on the plane. They had that. I was like, I love that idea. That's a good idea. Because they have that for the luggage.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

They should do that. Honestly.

[Trisha Paytas]

See if you'll fit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because it's. Nothing is worse than. You know. And then you also. It's of course embarrassing. But then also you wasted so much time waiting in the line to get to the front.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know you could send a couple hours that way. Hair is too. I love Harris with the Harrah's showroom that Donny Osman forms at. Their seats are so tiny. Like before I ever had kids in 2021 we went and it was so small. I was like stuck in that seat. They have a couple booths which they now they put us in. I wonder if they put us in there because they know I can't be in the seats because every time we go and I'm on the guest list, they put us in the booths, which I love. Maybe it's vip, I don't know. Either way, I'm thankful for it.

[Oscar]

But those seats, definitely vip. It's his booth for his guests.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, in that case. Love it. But those Seats are. And we love Hera's and I to would love to perform that one day. Like Harrah's is my favorite casino, favorite steakhouse. Like I love Harrah's, but those seats need to be bigger. Shout out to the factory in St. Louis had the biggest, widest seats for every single person in that audience. And it was my favorite venue for that reason. I like sat in the seats and I was like, this is great. It was as big as these seats and every seat should be this size everywhere you go, minimum, just for everyone's comfort. You know, I'm sure Darian would love. Even when little people come on here, they like, oh, I love how like little big the seat is. You know, it's just. It's where it's at.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cuddle up in there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, it really is. You put your feet up, you cuddle like, it's just cozy. I don't want to feel like I'm squished in there. I guess back in the day people were skinnier maybe. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess so, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You never see any like fat people in the 1950s.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Really, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so. Fatty Arbuckle, I guess. But he was like one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Why is again, I guess it's just a spooky time of the year. The only big person that can think of like black and white photo is John Wayne. Wayne Gacy. I dare say. I know. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know why that's with the clown and the. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know why that's the only biggie I can think of at the moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like from the 80s. He's just in a black and white photo. Right? Because even the 80s, I guess people were just like really obsessed with being skinny. I sent Moses a meme. It was like moms, after easing, eating a regular sized lunch is like, I guess I don't need dinner tonight. Like that is such a mom thing. My mom will always say that my dad like everyone's like, like, woo, I just had that big lunch. I don't need dinner tonight. And like what you ate like just a meal. Like it's so my dad's also guilty of that. He'll eat just like literally a chicken breast and be like, ah, I feel like a pig. Like you have like a chicken cutlet. Like it's crazy. I think the 80s were a different time for all our parents. I think they just were like really obsessed with being skinny.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tea diet culture.

[Oscar]

Funny enough, the 80s is where the kind of Biggest spike started in weight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh. So they start getting fat and like.

[Oscar]

So like 60s, let's say an average weight for a woman was 140. And then in the 80s it was 145. But then by the time we get to the 90s, it's like almost 160. And in 2000 it's closer to 170.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Huh. I wonder what contributed to that food.

[Oscar]

Just the food industry.

[Moses Hacmon]

McDonald's came about just really bad Taco Bell preservatives, right?

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah. Preservatives in the food, all that. Yeah. Any food that's processed, we don't digest as good. And to preserve the food, you put chemicals that kill the bacteria. But it's the same bacteria that digest the food in your tummy, so it kills your gut bacteria. So now you're not digesting as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Also, maybe smoking less people smoke. Smoking keeps you skinny. Allegedly.

[Oscar]

It's right here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone was smoking back in the day.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lucille Ball was smoking while she is pregnant on the show.

[Moses Hacmon]

Crazy. They really were smoking willy nilly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And I guess that curbs your appetite.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, now if you buy cigarettes, it literally shows like pictures of cancer on there.

[Moses Hacmon]

As you should. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy that people still smoke it though. Like, ah, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Yeah, I guess, you know, I guess.

[Oscar]

Like, well, at that point they can't help themselves. They would stop if they could.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What if they'll be ban one day? Cigarettes probably should if it's not bad for you. Yeah, it's like nothing good coming from it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Pure tobacco is not as bad, but just in cigarettes there's like, I don't know, 30 chemicals that.

[Trisha Paytas]

So chemicals are the real problem is what I'm hearing for all this from food and cigarettes. We should just kill chemicals.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Use tobacco in its natural form. If you eat food that's natural.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, okay, how do we stop the chemical problem here? Like that seems like the issue with everything, right?

[Oscar]

They. It's the big operations, you know, they want to maximize profit. So they want long shelf life for food. They want.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's worse, Big Corp or Big Pharma?

[Oscar]

They're the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Oh, chemicals.

[Oscar]

And both, they're the same because one makes you sick and the other one gives you the medication for it. And it's the same company.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why don't we just get rid of all them? We overtake them.

[Oscar]

They're stronger than us.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't come for me. I feel like the government is. Don't Own company. I'm a dummy, but it sounds like a good idea. The government should get on, and then we'll all love the government. We'll be like, oh, thank you for saving us. No more chemicals, no more sickness.

[Oscar]

They pay for your government. They put those people in place. They lobby, they sponsor them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. What if you just made everyone happy? Like, why don't we just have a. Like a government? How come the world just don't want everyone happy? How come they want us to be sick and miserable and fat?

[Oscar]

They want to be happy. I mean, that's their state of mind. To make themselves happy on your account.

[Trisha Paytas]

I pray for one day that we will have a happy world. I manifest that for everybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, the power of your manifestation as we know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I see it instead of like Hunger Games dystopia, I see a world where everyone's happy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Happy Topia, Happy Utopia. Oh, I guess Floptopia Utopia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Floptopia Floptropica came on today, like, oh, we needed this to save Flop Tropica. Something like, weird. Maybe it was our. Our bees in the trap thing. And they're like, oh, this is whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I was over Bees in the Trap until I saw your bees in the trap. And I was like, oh, I'm back into it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because Darian sings it. Not because he's a barb, as you know, but he also likes that. The song that is that what's going. He also loves the remix part of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you don't love it.

[Moses Hacmon]

He just sings it. It non stop. Like, he loves that. He loves to sing that.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's annoying you.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm not annoying, but it does lose its charm in certain situations for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never like the tracks. I don't like the first song.

[Oscar]

The.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, what's going on? He loves that part. But he also loves Bees in the Trap. So as you can see, it's a. It's a truly a trap. But yeah, yeah, When Malala did it, I was like, okay.

[Oscar]

And then.

[Moses Hacmon]

But then you did it, and I was like, sold. Yeah, she was on the Tonight show and she did the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And then she was also on a podcast and she was talking about the summer I turned pretty. And I love. I love that she's, like, on, like, a press store. She's obviously talking about stuff that's important, but then also, like, showing that she's, like, multifaceted. She's not just, like an activist for women. She's also just like a normal person. And I love that side of Her. I don't know. I think it's so endearing and so nice. I think it humanizes people and like, it sense. Makes. Makes her message, I think, more. I don't know, almost empowering.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, it makes her a real person.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's like just me. You. Yeah, somebody. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ever. Should I talk about, like, what food she likes?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, she likes rice and chicken curry. She says.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, who does it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, she likes fried eggs.

[Trisha Paytas]

And for breakfast, we had a fried egg. I wonder if it's running your heart. Anyways, not the important question, but she's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Five years younger than me, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So she's like, only in her 20s. I mean, and just like. Yeah, I love. And the way that she uses social media, I think it's just like, very smart and effective because. Yeah, she posted it also, like on her TikTok, like a Behind the scenes of making the. The Bees in the Trap TikTok with Jimmy and she's like, love Nikki.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I saw that one. So Jimmy Fallon. I did see that one. Yeah, that one was cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she posted. She was like, posted herself learning the. The lyrics. She's like, love to Nikki.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. Love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I love Malala.

[Trisha Paytas]

Malala. Did you see one of the Cat's Eye girls is going solo already?

[Oscar]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

Daniela is going solo? Yep, officially. What? I know you didn't see this, but in addition.

[Oscar]

Or she's with the group, but also.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she has a solo project.

[Oscar]

Oh. I mean, that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's going solo, right? Having a solo project or. No, that sounds like she's leaving the group, I guess the way I said that. Yeah, she's having a solo project.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's featured on another artist, Yunjun's solo album, so she is doing a solo feature.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not going solo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not going solo. Yeah, Just doing a solo feature. I like that. I like. I mean, I feel like the girls of Cat's Eye obviously have like a strong identity as a group, but they also do stuff like. I don't know, I feel like they all each bring something so different to the table. Like, Lara is really into, like, the production of music and she remixed gnarly. And like, though, I love it because I do love the remix that Lara did and the remix goes like, gnarly remix by Lara from Cat's Eyes. By Cat's Eye. I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. Like, how do you. Can you separate yourself without being Laura from Cat's Eye can just be Laura.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true. Because even Daniella, it does say, like, Daniela of Cats.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it does say. So you can't fully be still because they're pretty new. So I guess to do something.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, they literally just debuted like I guess a year and a half now, which is crazy. Just cuz they're so big, like. And so popular.

[Trisha Paytas]

So popular. I was trying to get my makeup artist tickets to San Francisco, cuz they're up there the same night I am in San Francisco. But literally, like nosebleed seats are like $4,000.

[Moses Hacmon]

You got the ones for my birthday at like the good time. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's insane. Like, like crazy. I mean like really good for them.

[Moses Hacmon]

But like the. I mean they blew up so freaking fast. Gnarly was in the Keeping up with the Kardashians premiere. I'm like, they crazy. They never pay for music, the Kardashians.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But then they're like, we need to license gnarly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that is. Oh, I missed the premiere was last night.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

You watched it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I have to watch it for work, so anything I'm missing, you are not missing. I mean, Kim did talk about Kanye and like the co parent, like how she deals with like co parenting with that. And she did say some obviously, yes, problematic fave. But I mean you do have the give it to her when it comes to parenting. Because how do you manage that when you have. Their father is like so like volatile. You truly don't know what he's gonna say. And he says a lot of such like just outlandish and like mean things about Kim a lot too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's so hard to not say anything bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not to have to take the high road and then also be the one to kind of like protect like shield your kids from like that. And she said too, like they're getting to the age where they're seeing it. So it's like, how does she still like try to protect them? And she's like, I don't understand how he could say, you know, I wake up and I see that it's that he says that he can't see the kids. And she's like, we got divorced. I didn't kidnap them. She said like, you were supposed to buy the house next door and you were supposed to come over for dinner. Like she said, yeah, all the things like my address never changed. Like, he knows where I live, he can come see them anytime. And it's. It is like, very true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's talking about that? With just like a Therapist or like her family.

[Moses Hacmon]

It came up while she was filming All's Fair, the new Hulu. The new Hulu show. The Ryan Murphy one. And she just talked about how she was having flare ups with her psoriasis because it's induced by stress and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, did something more severe happen?

[Moses Hacmon]

She also suffered. Got diagnosed with a brain aneurysm from, like the stress of dealing with Kanye and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She handles it so well. Like, I would just spiral.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the way he treats her mom, like, you know, like the whole family. When he was like yelling at Chris in that one and Chris. Chris being so calm.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

In that clip. Like. Yeah. It's like, really, it's a.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's a lot.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the kids seeing it like at like north is definitely the age to be online.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she was like, people say like, oh, I'm. You're in the position where you can just walk away, but she's like, I have four kids. Like, I'm tied with him forever. And of course they're young.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're young. Yeah. It's not like adult kids.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's like, of course I under. There's people that'll always be a critic of Kim. And I get that because it's like, you know, But Kanye was also very different when she got with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, like, he obviously. I feel like he's always suffered from, like different from something mentally. I don't know if he got diagnosed, but it was just obvious some ever like once his mom died, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But I. I feel like no one could have predicted the path he would go down.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I mean, I would say he's probably more famous or at least more respected than Kim.

[Moses Hacmon]

He fully like, like people loved him, like legitimized Kim when it came to like fashion and stuff because he was such a, you know, for course in pop culture. And then he was like a big shift for the whole family really, as far as like being taken more serious in like the fashion world and in pop culture.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her first met gal was with him, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. And it's sad too because I mean, they show her like facetiming the kids and she still like wants them to see like the positive in Kanye. So. Yeah, I forget. I think she was talking to maybe six, maybe saint, and they were like, oh, I wish I had blue eyes. And she was like, well, your dad had blue contact. So when you get older, maybe you can try that when you're a grown up. And like, she's still talking positive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it Is very bittersweet saying that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's such a interesting response. I think about that, like just all that stuff like kids, like if your kids like I really want blue eyes, like, what is the right response?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, it's her credit too. She did say, but you were born with beautiful, beautiful brown eyes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like if you ever want to try.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, because we were talking about that day in glam too. We were talking about what was it that. Oh, tanning. How me and my makeup arts are. We were like, oh, tanning like effed up our skin. Like it just made it super like coarse. But like we were so obsessed with tanning and like even when I was younger, like the legal age was like 13 and I think I like snuck in and got it done at like like 12. I was like tanning and like just tanning all the time. And like, gosh, I really feel like if my daughter was like. Or my mom used to pull my hair through caps to bleach it cuz I wanted it bleached like Britney, like she was doing it for me. But God, if like Malibu was like, I want you to pull my hair through caps or I want to go into tanning bed, like I feel like I'd have to say no. Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's so like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I mean that is like one of the, I mean, such a big challenge with parenthood.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because obviously it's like of course you want to like support your child and have them feel like, you know, they could be anything they want, but you also want them to be safe and healthy and not, you know, and also have like self esteem and. Yeah, like that is such a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because ultimately it's like better quality skin if you're not tanning and better quality hair.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, bleaching.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's like better for them. Did your parents, your parents always said yes to you?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, basically.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was there ever a no where you're like, ugh. And then like later on you're like, okay, that made sense. Or was there a no and you're like, that should never have been enough.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not really because. But I think with me it was just a matter of my interests were just very like in it. Like, I don't know, wholesome, I guess, and innocent. Because I never was, I just never was naturally attracted to anything besides food. Anything that was like, you know. Yeah, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So I never, I don't know, I never had like a thing where they had to like sit me down. Like, no, you can't do that because I never, I don't know, I just wanted to, to be at home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nothing with hair piercings.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, because I even with. I never wanted piercings. I would dye my hair so like lighter brown or something. But yeah, I mean even my other brothers were like bleaching their hair and stuff like when they were teenagers.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, like it's fine. I was thinking about like implants or surgery. Like I wanted implants. Oh my God. From a really young age because I just had like really uneven boobs. Like one was like a D cup, one was like a B cup. And I'm like, gosh, I like it would have like changed my life as a teenager cuz then people would stop making fun of me. But I'm like, obviously wouldn't have the money. So like it was a no. But yeah, I think I just have to be like, no, yeah, surgery. I don't know until like they're 18. I don't know. There's like altering anything in your body.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think especially when you're young. Cuz looking back, I'm sure there were times I like meet. I would see shows and be like, oh, like, you know, surgery seems like so easy or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. Like that's one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah. For real. I. I knew realistically I could never get it. Like I was a teenager or whatever. But it seemed like some. I don't know the idea of it. But then, yeah, like, I mean, as you know, with like implants, like you get older and you're like, oh. And now ever like it's a lot of people are taking them out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I need to. I was talking about that this morning too. I was like, I think that was like an RNT we're talking about. It's like that's like. I think we'd feel so much better without that. Like I really need to because like there are moments where I feel a little cuckoo or a little. I know I just had a baby but like she, she had, you know, she, her baby was 13 years ago. So it's like the fact that we both feel that way and like it's like if once you take them out, people are like, I felt instantly better. Jelly rolls. Wife bunny always tells me that she goes, I felt instantly like the moment they were out, it was like depression, like anxiety, like it just lifted for her. I mean she suffered with it her whole life too, but she's like lifted for. And I was like, I think I need something like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it probably is like toxic like this. That is when you think about implants specifically, like, nose jobs. You're not putting, like, a foreign object in your body like implants. You're literally sticking like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is it? I mean, I know it's like saline, silicone, but what is that material? What? Saline? What is saline? What is silicone period? Like, why are they putting chemicals in our body? There's just no way that's safe. Right? Why. Why did we do that? Where did it start? We need to, like, look at the origin of breast implants. Why don't they put. I guess you can get, like, gummy bears in there now. Did you hear about that one?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you know, like gummy bear implants. And I'm like, what? But I guess it's just like, that's more natural because it's like gelatin, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I remember one doctor wanted to put, like, a. A bovine heart in. In mine. Like, to. To have them sit up more. That's like mesh. Like, bovine mesh. I don't know. Bovine's pig, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was cow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe that's. Yeah, that. But I think I want to put. Someone wanted to put a pig in me, too. They were like, different parts, and I just thought, like, that's so. Feels so unnatural. I don't know. I would not do it. Implants to everyone. Don't do it. Get those fat. Maybe put some fat in there. I guess you can get, like, a fat transfer if you really want some boobs. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, I'm all to, like, whatever makes you happy, obviously, but I think when you're old enough to, like, fully understand the, like, how it will change you physically but also mentally, you know, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. I just wish everyone just liked the way they look, you know? How many people just, like. I think everybody wants to change their appearance to some capacity.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have some people who are skinny, want to be more fit. Bigger legs, like. It's kind of sad how everyone just always wants to change their appearance. Have you ever want to change your appearance, Moses? I know his answer.

[Oscar]

No. I remember when I was young.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, never.

[Oscar]

When I was young. I remember going with a friend to a place for, like, plastic surgery, and they were trying to convince me to do my nose.

[Moses Hacmon]

What.

[Trisha Paytas]

What age?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I was, like, teenager, like, high school.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

And I was like, like, no. I kind of feel like, you know, it's part of my character. Like, I don't change it, but. No, but I do sense, like, you know, like, getting older, you see changes and you're like, oh, you know what? I miss a certain thing, the way I. I looked a certain way. But at the same time, I wouldn't intervene with. Wouldn't intervene.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, when did you. Like a time that took away, like.

[Oscar]

That way, it's always. You always can look 10 years back. It doesn't matter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Younger. You're just saying you look. You like when you look younger.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I mean, there's certain things, you know, things change. But I feel like aging. I'm just embracing aging rather than doing something to it. Because I saw somebody post about, like, why is it like everyone in Hollywood, like, they intervene so much with their faces to a place where they're not recognized anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And. And I don't like that. You know, like, I don't like when I look at the person, I'm like, wait, we all liked you for who you were, and now you're just chasing something else. Like, you know, they don't look the younger self. They just look a completely different person.

[Trisha Paytas]

My mom. What. Who did you tell us about the other day that had a crazy. Not kind of crazy facelift? Who was it? Was it a hot topic or she just tell us was.

[Oscar]

Oh, wasn't the guy. Yes, Brad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bradley Cooper.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you seen his face? Allegedly. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I think it was something changed. I think that's we. That I so started with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, he looks like, unrecognizable, like, not a bad way at all, but, like, looks like Barry Manilow, which, I mean, I think Barry was attractive. He looks like Clayton, and I love that. But like, Briley Cooper had such a different face. I mean, I guess they're all saying they didn't get anything done, so maybe just change this with age like that. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I don't know. But, you know, I. I personally just rather not mess with my body. I never had the piercing. Never had that too. Never. Like, I never intervene with my body.

[Trisha Paytas]

If you would have gotten your nose done, like, if our kids have one of your, you know, nose like yours, when they'd be like, why my nose look like that? You know, I mean, I think there's something kind of nice about that with, like, when you have kids and you see like your own features in them, it's like, oh. As opposed to if you got your nose fixed and they had your old nose, they'd be like, why is my nose like this? And now you can be like, well, it's like my nose and it's pretty good. Yeah, everyone's just trying to love themselves. It's hard.

[Oscar]

And embrace your age.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, embrace your age.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Like, it's people age. We're different.

[Trisha Paytas]

And trying to get some Botox.

[Oscar]

Well, I mean.

[Moses Hacmon]

Plans to get that Christian or facelift.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I'm saving as we speak because I think it's 150k. Look. Yes. You know what? I don't know. I'd, like, joke about it, but then I'm like, is it worth the risk? Is it worth something going along? Were you telling me. Somebody was telling me, like, facelifts are, like, you have to be really careful because it's like, they can affect, like, your nerves. Like. Oh, if you cut it, like. Like, it could. Like, something goes wrong. Like, the whole nervous system could be, like, effed up or something. So the more. The older I get, the more I want to live. I'm like, maybe I don't want to risk my life. Even my implants out. Like, this will be my last surgery. You know what I mean? Because it's like. Like, it's kind of. You have. You've never been put under for surgery, have you?

[Moses Hacmon]

I forget my wisdom teeth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, Are you knocked out for that?

[Moses Hacmon]

It depends. They. For me, I don't know why.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know how they did it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it was laughing. No, not. I think it was. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never had that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think. I kind of don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Laughing gas is crazy. I've never had that. We're just, like, laughing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or was it.

[Oscar]

No, but he does. It doesn't. O you up.

[Moses Hacmon]

I forget what I was. I had. I was definitely knocked out. I forgot how they did it, though. But I was definitely. Because I know for some, like, you just. Yeah, laughing gas. You just kind of, like, in the haze, right? I was completely knocked out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. She, like, woke up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not intravenous. Like, you didn't have, like, an IV in you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe it was that. It was a while. It was.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's how they do it.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was before I had. I had to do it, before I got Invisalign. So it must have been, like, 28, 2019.

[Trisha Paytas]

Long time ago.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's crazy. Surgery floor is like cosmetic surgery, too. It's like you go in there every time I'm talking too much.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm, like, talking too long. It's like you literally, like, walk yourself into the room. It's like a metal. Like a cold metal slab. And you just, like. I don't know. You just, like, walk yourself in there to be, like, cut open. It's like such a crazy thing. Obviously if you need the surgery, it's like one thing and that's scary. But like cosmetic surgery, you're like electing to do that and then, yeah, they just start putting everything in you and anesthesiologist starts like counting backwards and you're just like, like, it's is so crazy. But I don't know. I don't know. Surgery is. It's so scary to me. Even though I've had much it. I am all about do what you want to do, what makes you happy, but at the same time maybe find inner happiness. I think it says a lot, like, if you can just kind of be happy. Like I, like, I know I always say about my weight, but like, truly, it's like, yes, I would like to change my weight, but I am like just happy. So I kind of just don't care. Like, maybe I'll feel better. Maybe I'd have more energy. But at the same time, like, I'm kind of just happy. So I don't know, more energy.

[Oscar]

More. I mean, you're doing the most every day, all day.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess I do, I do have a lot of energy. May I have even more if I was. No belly. Sometimes that belly gets in the way when you got to stuffing in your jeans, you know, these are great though. These are 1x and they feel great. Anyways, that's a whole segment what we're talking about. Where did it start?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, I have a transition. Transition then from beauty standards. Selena Gomez, she talked about rare beauty at a, at a panel talking about the, the business practices that she teaches or the business practices that she does for the company. And this went viral on Twitter and tick tock, this clip of her saying that we don't use models for rare beauty. We use people that I felt like they can be your best friends. So. Oh, and people were like, oh, so she calling all the, the rare beauty models. Chop. And then one girl, one girl who did a campaign for her beauty was like, oh, my God, she called me ugly.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it is kind of giving that.

[Moses Hacmon]

She words that wrong. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're not using models. They are models. They're modeling your. Your line. It's just like, we're not using beautiful people. We're using just the regular ones.

[Moses Hacmon]

Regular girls. Yeah, I get, I get what she's saying. Like, because I think, I mean, again, I don't want to speak for her, I guess, but to me, how I am choosing to interpret it is she meant that like the, like high fashion, like Just ins, like, I don't know, the otherworldly, unattainable versus, like the girls that she wants to cast for her shoots are like, gorgeous, like girl next door.

[Trisha Paytas]

More attainable, gorgeous girl next door.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me clocking in to be the unpaid Selena Gomez publicist.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What she's meant to say.

[Moses Hacmon]

What she meant to say.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

My client, Selena Marie meant to say was she just meant like the attainable girl next door level beauty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right, right.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it was just so like seeing the girls who like, modeled it being like, like, oh, oh, that's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

She called me ugly. That's actually. Were they young?

[Moses Hacmon]

She called me chop. Yeah. Like, not super young, but like, yeah. 20s and their 20s. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. There is ways to go about.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Also just maybe, you know, what's even more powerful is not talking about it, just being like, this is beautiful campaign that I had put out. Like, it is. People can tell if you're not using high fashion models, I don't think you need a lesser, like, clock.

[Oscar]

So they, they had a meeting and they in rare beauty and they presented to her how beautiful the concept is. We're not going to use the, you know, the standard.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

Beauty. It like they used a lot of words to describe something redefining beauty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

She just re. You know, she said it again. Yeah. And everyone in the company, I'm sure she said there watched it and like, that's not the way we said it. That's not the way we said it. You have to say it a certain way to make it sound right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've been with people too, for sure. Sure. Like, that's like, you know, if they're talking about like diversity and they just say it the wrong way. Like people do word things poorly. It's just like, there's just like a tons of time where we don't have to, like, we don't have to talk about like, what it just. It is what it is. Like, these are the people we cast it. We don't just say, like, look at us casting diversity. You know, I mean, it's just like.

[Oscar]

Because in her mind, when she says models, she means high fashion models and all that. But yeah, if he said it the same thing about actors. Like, we don't use actors. We use somebody to be your best friend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. The whole thing is like, I mean, I'm gonna just see it, you know, like, it's like, I don't know, you know, who does a mix of high fashion models and regular people. Mac cosmetics, me And Alex Kasani were at the Dublin airport. Our poster was up there. Did you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that is exactly what I thought of when it comes to this is like, like, yes. There was high fashion models. Like, obviously Alex is like, one of the biggest ones. And then there's me just blow her with my little. My little turkey leg out there. And I was like, you know what? I work too. You know what I mean? There is like, maybe I can put a little B roll of it of us backstage. And there was one of me and her, like, doing a Runway walk down the aisle together. And I was just like, we both kind of eat. So she could have just said, rather than like, separating high fashion models from just regular people, she could have just been like, you know, look at these beautiful models.

[Moses Hacmon]

Girls from all walks of life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Or non binaries.

[Oscar]

People.

[Trisha Paytas]

People from all watching for itself. I don't know. That is kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think she. She's like, at a business conference. So it's like, it's not like she's doing an interview where like, you know, the publicist is right there and be like, well, actually say. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because. And I. I've been there where you just. You're wording things a little clunky. Like, I. I feel like I know her heart was just trying to say. She does trip over her words every now and then, as we've seen, but I do think her heart was in the right place. People are really. It's the switch up is crazy, cuz.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, why they're coming for her now.

[Moses Hacmon]

People have been re. They've been going back. I've seen a lot on Twitter and Tik Tok, like, going back to, like, Selena's comments on, like, stuff with Justin or Haley and, like, now. Whereas, like, everyone kind of viewed Selena as, like, the victim. Now they're flipping it. And I was like, why is. Why was she commenting this on Justin's Instagram? Like, I've seen a lot of, like, that stuff and it is kind of sad because also it's like my PSA is like, she also, when she was going through that, what I was like, undiagnosed with bipolar and Sia. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

And she has a documentary on Apple. It came out a couple years ago, called My Mind in Me that, like, documented her mental health, like, journey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was really. Yeah. And struggling with, like, lupus as well and, like, being sick but not having, like, a diagnosis and Then even when she did get diagnosed, then she had to go through chemo and stuff to treat her lupus. I know what age. This was young. This was before her kidney transplant. Wow. 20s, 20s, early 20s. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because she was touring, but this was. What was it like, maybe revival and stars dance. So, yeah, this one has been like 2016 around and. And she would tour and then she would have to end her tours early because then she would. Her lupus would flare up and she would have to do chemo to treat it and then just have no energy to perform.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. That's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So I feel like going back and like, rewriting when she was, like, going through so much physically and mentally is, like, mean. And also, I hate when people are like this because, like, especially in Stan culture, people are so critical. But then when you look at, like, Britney Spears or Amanda Bynes, like, people who stars, child stars especially, that are, you know, you can see struggle and then you are empathetic. But, like, they got that way because the people like you. You know what I mean? It was this kind of attitude towards child stars of, like, breaking them down and saying, like, making fun of their mental illnesses and, you know, physical illnesses that made them get to, like, a breaking point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But it's crazy how, like, people would see what happened in Britney and, like, how she had, like, like really break down and how that was like, a whole spectacle and then not, like, really. And people are empathetic towards Britney, but then seeing, like, other child stars, like, grow up and then also being so, like, cruel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Especially, like, at Cena Gomez, like, you're just analyzing comments from someone who was obviously going through a lot.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you said, on top of performing, going through lupus and chemo and then like, obviously even, like, recently, like, I know she lost a bunch of weight, but people, like, were saying she looked puffy and then this. Now she, like, lost a bunch of weight and everyone's like, oh, my God. She's like, I don't know, zempic and this and that. Like, like, there's just, like, no winning ever. I feel like with anything, you know, it's like. And I mean, you know, people do turn around, which is great. Like, Demi Lovato is definitely having, like, this, like, great, like, renaissance right now, where people are just, like, really happy for her for being happy. But it's like, also probably years of people, like, tearing her down. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's like, oh, she's great. She's like, building stuff back yeah, but like people like media, everyone to her and Selena Gomez too. It's just like, I think every.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's not even specific to like Selena. I think every child star, like, yeah, she can kind of just be like more empathetic because there's. It's just funny how like, people only care once they get to the point where it's like they are really unwell or like. Or like, I mean, you could say it too. Like when you can physically pass as being. Well, even though you're exhibiting signs of like mental illness, people don't take it as seriously. But like, right when you physically look bad, then people start to get concerned, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

So there was. Yeah, there was a child star from like the 80s. The 80s. Her name is Dana Plato. She was on Different Strokes and she was on there like a really young girl with like Gary Coleman. Same thing. Yeah, she was like. She was like, I. I think she was like into drugs before her death. And like, people were like making kind of like the Lindsay Lohan jokes back in the day. Like, this is in the 80s, right? So it's just a long time ago. But people were like, you know, being like, oh, she's a crackhead. Like, also, like, don't know what kind of drug she was doing, but basically just like totally like chastising her and judging her for that. And then like, literally ended up up like ending her own life, like, you know, a couple years later. And then everyone was like, wow, the media and this. And it's like, yeah, yeah, you are the media. What do you mean? Like, you're reporting, like, with anyone. It's like. And Anna Nicole, like just so many people. And it's like, well, you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like, obviously people are doing bad things then. Like, you know, they. That can't be an excuse. But like, when it's just things that are being like, argued if she's being mean or.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whether it's like Hailey Bieber, Selena, Demi Miley, like, yeah, any child star, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Drama, pitting things against. Oh, he moved on from her. Oh, it's this. She's upset about him getting married. Like, it's just like, yeah, of course I would like put anyone.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

To feel some type of way.

[Moses Hacmon]

If it gets like abusive, obvious. Like if someone's, you know, doing something harmful, that's another story. But when it's like thing again, like he said, she said back and forth.

[Trisha Paytas]

All like, yeah, the. The drama of it all. Not to be whatever. But like, did she ever say why she named her brand? I Know we. I see the clip all the time. But why did she name it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, that's a good question. I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe those models, the non models are the rare beauties of the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Friends, the best friend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Look, this is a rare beauty that you don't normally see. Average like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like. Why rare?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, she didn't have that song. She did have this song called Rare Beauty. No go.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, rare. What's it about?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was. It feels like you don't care. Why don't you recognize I'm so like being appreciated and valued because like you can't find another person like me. Just, you know, willy nilly, like I'm a. You know, I'm rare. Finding someone like me who loves. I guess in the context this was like a Justin Bieber thing, you know, like the. It was like when they were doing the back and forth.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I'm so rare.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Feels like you don't care why can't you recognize? I'm so rare I don't have it all. I'm not claiming to, but I know that I'm special.

[Trisha Paytas]

When I think of rare, I think of rare meat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, you know what I mean? Like raw and bloody.

[Oscar]

You're new to.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you think of? What do you think of rare? You think of Selena Gomez?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, I think of the song Rare, but I. I'm a Selenator. I love Rare. I love that song.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is it called? A Selenator.

[Moses Hacmon]

Selenator.

[Trisha Paytas]

Selenator.

[Moses Hacmon]

Selenator.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's it mean? Like Selena Nation. Like a gator. Oh, Selenator.

[Moses Hacmon]

Selenator. You know, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I never heard like a nation of people don't call themselves Naters, do they? Nader. Selenator. Why don't you call it like selenation?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Work. Yeah, that's good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Salinator. Sounds like a gator. Like cowgator.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, selling cell nation.

[Oscar]

There's that doesn't they live in the salination? But they're.

[Moses Hacmon]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Selenators. But if we live in the United nations were not unitedators.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, you ate with that. Yeah, but we don't live in the United Nations.

[Trisha Paytas]

I get you. Right? Like, you know, there's no. It's not geese and goose. It's not geese and goose. No. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh no.

[Moses Hacmon]

Tomato.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's not mice and meese. There's no mouses.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, it's mice.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mice. And what if there's a plural mice? Oh, what? Okay, so singular is mouse. Mouse and mice.

[Oscar]

Do you know what I'm saying geese and goose.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no geese and goose.

[Moses Hacmon]

Moose and moose.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there's one that's like. Not that. That doesn't follow the rule, but anyways, doesn't matter. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Where are you going?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I'm saying there's. You don't always have to follow the rules to be a Selenator. Anyways. The braids. Oh, my God, they're so tight. Okay, anyways. Yes.

[Oscar]

But it sounds too close to.

[Trisha Paytas]

To.

[Oscar]

To hater.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, Selenator. Cell hater. I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess if you're a Haley BU fan, you're a Selena hater. But honestly, there's room for everyone. You guys in Sephora. I see all everybody. I see Selena. I see Haley.

[Moses Hacmon]

You said Haley wasn't trying to shade rare. You said she was trying to shade one size beauty. Patrick Star.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

You started that room.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Did he comment back? Did he say anything?

[Oscar]

He should.

[Moses Hacmon]

Patrick, we're starting that rumor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Patrick Star. Haley was shading you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Haley was shading you. Not rare beauty. One size.

[Trisha Paytas]

No hate.

[Moses Hacmon]

She wants that one size Shop One sizes have a huge section of Sephora.

[Trisha Paytas]

They have a huge section. He literally is retired. He's like, I do not need this influencer life anymore. For me, he became a brand.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like sleep. Like Rihanna with music. Patrick with YouTube.

[Trisha Paytas]

We really need Rihanna back in music, though. She could say music.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think it's ever. At this point.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't think it's happening? It's gonna happen.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's been recording that album. She's said she's been recording the album for like, four years now.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's done already. I think she's just not ready.

[Moses Hacmon]

She does it and then she's like, ah, I don't. And it comes like. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she's like.

[Moses Hacmon]

She changes her vibe. So she's like, actually, I don't like this anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think it's gonna come out in a couple years.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I hope you're manifesting that I'm ready. She used to be releasing music every year, and then now I'm like, what's your favorite song? I love Shut up and Drive. I love Rhythm of the Sun. That's like. That's her first album. I love Umbrella as a classic.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that's great.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Please don't stop the music. Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's Rihanna. I think a pitch perfect. Please don't stop the. Please don't stop. That's Michael Jackson.

[Moses Hacmon]

She samples it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, what does she such a popular Michael Jackson one. I'm surprised she sampled that one. Usually I think they would like like Ariana did like a Random instinct song. Like I forgot which one. She did something that's not popular. So you think she would take like a least pop a less popular song.

[Moses Hacmon]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz like when you said that like oh that's Michael Jackson. I don't know about sampling.

[Moses Hacmon]

What do you think like if it's used? Well I love a sample. I spiced it with Live Fast, Die Young, Bad girls do it. Well just say that for her new song.

[Oscar]

Song.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I liked it. Okay, so it all depends.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess it's Rana.

[Moses Hacmon]

She can do anything because espresso from Sabrina that samples. I forget which song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, really.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm sure you don't know that baby. You always know people's like tunes and then me like I never heard that song before. To me it sounds completely original.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's that melody in the beginning. Power Tools sample path.

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I sample the beginning. That instrumental. The beginning is a little bit of is a sample.

[Oscar]

Right. Because it starts with a different tune altogether.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh it does, yeah.

[Oscar]

And then the song starts.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, so funny is like my kids will like songs from Tick Tock. Like the oh that she wants is another baby. But then we play the full song and they like don't like it. They're like not interested. And I was like and that video. Yeah, they just want that one part. And then like no, we don't want this song. But it is crazy how like Tick Tock makes songs popular. And just like that specific section you're looking for. Like yesterday I was doing a lip sync and I wanted the man child. The useless or is it dumb? But like it did not have that section. I hate that when that happens. Like you it was a tick tock of her performing it and her like denim shorts. And it was that part like is it useless or is it dumb? But then you go to the sound and they don't have the part in the sound. They just have like the verses.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was like, oh yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like I wonder how they do that. Why does it show that in the clip? But then like you go to use the sound and don't use another.

[Moses Hacmon]

Can't use.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but I did. I had the full minute. It was only a minute and there was none. I listened the whole thing through and it was not there. Cuz then I went to 15 seconds. I'm like okay, maybe I need to move the 15 seconds. Over.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that part comes in. I mean that's a pre chorus. It doesn't come super late.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I don't know. We were trying and I couldn't figure it out, so. So my Sabrina Carpenter one is coming, but not with that song. It was. I don't know what it was some dance. But like that song, it's growing on me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Land Child.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love House tour right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the house tour. I like it with the girls like dancing like her life. Was she on tour now?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I mean she's still on the same tour that I went to, but she added more dates so that's like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone's doing that now, huh?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, might as well. You got that show. Let's. Let's add a couple songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. Yeah, cuz I was talking about that too with like My Romance. I'm like, is it the exact same show? I mean, love it. Cuz I didn't see it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Comment on your. I should me. I'm going to do it right now. I wanted to comment you looking like you live on Pretty Girl Avenue.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, thanks. And which one were you going to comment that the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Your tr. Your Trisha Carpenter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, thank you. It wasn't supposed to be Sabrina. It was supposed to be something else. But I was like, everyone said me to.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was like, you work out with them?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess with like the updo in there. I could play like her mom or something. Like. Right. I don't know. How old is she?

[Moses Hacmon]

She's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean she's like 25.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

In theory, 26. God, that's so young. Wow. If you're in your 20s, just really enjoy that youth because God, it seemed like, like it seems like yesterday but also seems so far away. And it's like, I know 20s is just for life, you know, it's just for like, don't stress. Like just live.

[Moses Hacmon]

You're still young. 25 is not chopped.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're not chopped.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, 25. No.

[Trisha Paytas]

But if you're in that rare beauty campaign, you might be chopped. I haven't seen it. You're probably beautiful. How are they? Did you look? What? What do they wear? Like chopped?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, the girl in Sweden was like. Like a literal model.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, well she literally. Yeah, they're all literal models because they're bought in the campaign. But. But I love the word chop. I also love when people call people uncle.

[Moses Hacmon]

I knew you're gonna say I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just don't know when to use it. Like I know when to use it, but not really. It means like, you're old, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

You're chopped in your ank.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm gonna use it. It's just gonna be hard for me.

[Oscar]

Like, I like uncle.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, yeah, uncle chopped your unc.

[Trisha Paytas]

Unc. Yeah, I didn't. I know. I'd look that up, too. I think it was snl, I think that podcast parody called someone unc. And I was like, oh, what is that word? Yeah, I like how we shorten it, though. I like the new Gen Z. Like, un chopped. Chopped.

[Moses Hacmon]

What is chopped short for chop salad?

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it not? What is it? Do you know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Chop like your butt.

[Oscar]

It's like choppy. You know, sometimes things get choppy.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I wonder what it's actually from. Like, why is that ugly? Why is chopped ugly?

[Oscar]

I don't know if it's necessarily just ugly. I think it's, like, chopped. Like, something is not.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think so.

[Oscar]

Like, if your video is chopped, like, the sound is.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I don't think it's about a video being chopped. I think it's. Your face is ugly, but I think.

[Oscar]

That'S where it's come from. Like, let's say you look at it in the image. Yes, it's chopped.

[Trisha Paytas]

Research says.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, it's definitely aave, but it.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's av?

[Moses Hacmon]

African American Vernacular English is what it seems. Oh, okay. Like, everything. I mean, it's one of those things, really. The root of everything is aav. Like popular slang. Oh, I didn't know so much of it is aave. I mean, even, like, gay slang is, like, from ballroom culture, and ballroom is, like, by black queer people or queer people of color. So everything cool kind of comes from a poc.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very much that. So. Yes. I didn't know. Yeah, you should be like, a historian on this. On Tik Tok.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I couldn't be. Cuz, like, even stuff in, like, Stan culture. I mean, everything. Like, you know, when people go like this or like when you say, oh, we're cooked or we're cooking. Like, like, literally every phrase gets, like, diluted from a V. Oh, interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, it makes sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because, I mean, you gotta. People gotta get culture from somewhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But yeah, as long as you. I feel like as long as you're aware of where it comes from, I guess, you know, to use.

[Trisha Paytas]

You mean.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, because then you have that Justin Bieber the clunky is not clocking to you that I'm standing on business.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did he start that one or is that.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, that was also a avenue, but he used it Wrong. Yeah. Like clock again. Clocked is also, I mean, from.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, but what if you use it in a new. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to, like, take it. I suppose maybe I just shouldn't say any of these words. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, I mean, I think it's like one of those things where it just. It becomes so, like, mainstream. I think as long as you're, like, aware and you're not trying to, like, you know, claim it to be something else. But yeah, I mean, like. Because literally, like, everything in popular culture comes from, you know, for the most part, like, African American culture, Latino culture, queer culture. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, even Elvis would say he used to go to, like, jazz clubs. Like in the Elvis movie. I think they showed a little bit. But the real Elvis would always say he would listen to, like, all the jazz musicians in, like, Memphis. And that's when he got all his stuff, like, Hound Dog is Big Mama Thornton. Like, and. And then people, like, credit him, I suppose, because it's the 50s and he was white. Like, rock and roll. But, like, he always credits the people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Renee rap said. I mean, kind of a jump. Elvis, Renee rap. But she was like. People tell her, like, oh, why don't you do, like, R B music? She's like, well, because people tell her she has the voice that she can and she likes and she listens to it. But she's like, well, I. If she feels she said something along the lines, I'm paraphrasing, but that, like, if I'm a white person can do, like, R B and get, like, applauded more than the actual black people and, like, their culture.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, the one is rooted, you know, in R B music. So she doesn't feel right doing that. I was like, yeah, work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like. I think, obviously, with, like, AAV too. I think if you adopt, like, a. I mean, I don't want to speak for anyone, but I feel like it gets offensive when you start adopting, like, a black scent and stuff, you know, and you start, like. Yeah, cosplaying the culture. Then it gets.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it gets to be a little, like, messy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Awareness of it all.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have to do my sad one first, and then we can go to, I guess, the bigger one. But it's our big one. I just had to discuss with you the Bonito Skinner.

[Trisha Paytas]

I said, I will not accept this. I commented on every post. I know. No, absolutely not. That's not happening. What do you mean, nine years together, like, what do you mean? In gay world, that's like 90 years. You might as well just like die. Like, I understand, understand. They were, they were end goals. They were a couple goals. We love both of them. Like, I can't choose. I can't choose. They're the power couple too. I was like, oh, Benny, okay. We loved Har. Like, I don't understand. Like, I don't understand how this happened. Like, why also like nine years. It's like, I mean, unless of course, there's something like violent that happened. But like, but just stay together, right? You're both so good looking and successful. You're the same friend group, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

So if it's not like working anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

But just make it work.

[Moses Hacmon]

I, I kind of get that when you're so like, if you're like 80, it's like, I mean, even I guess when you're 80, like, I mean, you still have life to live. So I can't.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, 80 definitely stay together. That's wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like what, like 31, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Did they say, Well, I feel like this is like my hottest day ever. I just feel like sometimes we need an explanation. Like, I feel like they need to tell us. I don't like when people like, work. We broke up.

[Oscar]

Up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Respect our privacy. Like, no, we need to know. Then I can have closure for myself, you know? Like, what do you mean? Maybe I'll DM him. What happened? Boo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Even just off the record for our own.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, should we be mad? Like, do we want to be mad at this person?

[Moses Hacmon]

Benny said that we both just love each other so much and have so much love and respect for each other. And we treated each other with love and respect. Deck until the end.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

He said that if us breaking up makes you stop believing in love. Oh, he's talking to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Definitely.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it should be the opposite. Because I was with someone so special to me for nine years in a committed relationship with my best friend. And that they still love and champion each other. And that Benny feels lucky to still be a part of his family. Still loves his family and his cousins and his grandpa.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

So close with the family. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That makes me want to stick my head in a freezer because it's like. What do you mean? Like, you were together.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You. Like, that's like the scariest thing to me when people are like, we were. We just fell out of love. What do you mean? Like, then make it work. Like, get that spark back. Like, you can't just like, like No, I know. I don't accept it. I don't. I always think about that. I always think about that. Like, what if I. When was like, I want divorce. I was like, no. Like, what if I just say no? Do you know what I mean? Like, how. What do you mean? Like, you can't just say like, you're out of love with me. Do you know? You know what I'm saying?

[Moses Hacmon]

I. I get where you're coming from.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, if it's a one sided, it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

A good time to cover your face when there's something you don't want to talk about. Oscar, that's someone else. But like, it just like, I just don't get that. Or do you think they're just saying that for like PR purposes? Because they're just like, what do you mean? You're best friends. You love Heather. Okay, so why did you break? Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I really do struggle with this one. I get. I mean, think about how different you were when you were 22 to 31.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but I would always tell you how I broke up with somebody or why I broke up with somebody. I was never keeping that a secret at 22 and 31.

[Oscar]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

And if I'm 45, like, it doesn't matter. Like, I'm always going to tell you how I.

[Oscar]

Why.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why we broke up. I don't understand. Like, you know, I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Benny also said that he made Terence. What? I feel like we have talked to him so we can call him Terry. But yeah, I called him Terry.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's Terrence. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

The article I read kept referencing him as Terence. I'm like, is that whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but we know him as Terry. Yeah, we know, we know.

[Moses Hacmon]

He made. Benny said he made. Made Terry promise that he wouldn't date someone younger than him. Debut a relationship with someone younger than him. Oh, and they did like a spit handshake on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he spilled that tea, but not the breakup tea. He's like, so I was being toxic and be like, don't date anyone younger, but let me like that. What? That's crazy. I'm so confused.

[Moses Hacmon]

He was trying to be quirky, but I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's giving quirky. It's giving a little controlling. Maybe we see why we broke up. Maybe we see who the dub he was in this. Where was his interview?

[Moses Hacmon]

He did a podcast ride. Podcast, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why are they giving all the good tea on someone else's podcast? Yeah, you should care.

[Moses Hacmon]

What the hell?

[Trisha Paytas]

I would love that tea.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although you would? I don't know. You know, I would end up getting back.

[Trisha Paytas]

I give no investigation. Oh, you broke up. I'm so sad. Let's move on to the next one, Overcome Season two. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I would give nothing more like, oh, God, that sucks. Damn, I would love to dig. I would love to dig like a Barbara Walter. You know what? Now that Lucas Gage has thrust that upon me.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm gonna ask the hardening questions.

[Moses Hacmon]

You gotta add follow ups.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And DM Bunny. I don't know if I follow Terrence, but I. You know what? In the custody battle, I think I'm gonna have to pick Terence on this one. How about you? What? Yeah. You're gonna go with Benny?

[Moses Hacmon]

How are you? Wait, give me your rationale though.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Terry has recommended me for the K. Perry video.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

He also. Oh, he's. He's friends with Charlie XCX and Troy Sivan. That's it.

[Moses Hacmon]

But.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's my argument. Benny is cute. I don't know what Terry looks like. Is he cute?

[Moses Hacmon]

Terry's cute, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's cuter? Is that toxic? I don't know. Who would you've seen?

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, were the Menendez brothers from Halloween that one year? No, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he wasn't. It was the guy from White Lotus and him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

This guy. Wow. Okay. Whoa. That's not what I expected him to look like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, he's giving.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is his name Adrian Grenier?

[Moses Hacmon]

Adrian Grenier from entrepreneur. Yeah, I see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. They're very different. He's very different looking than I thought. I was thinking like Terry. Like there's a photographer named Terry and I was thinking about that Terry.

[Moses Hacmon]

Terry Richardson.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. I think he looked like that person.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, just from the name?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, maybe. Okay, who's. Who's your type now that they broke up? Well, I guess you're not single. But if you were just on appearances alone, knowing nothing about their status.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who's my type? Yeah, neither are really. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not neither. Neither.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, because they're both. I'm. This is me think, like put, put. I'm putting myself back in like 2019 being single. Like, that's whenever I get asked, that's where I put my. Like, mentally. And I would be too intimidated by both of them, you know, because they're both.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Oh, they're both too good looking, you're saying? Oh, got it. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Benny does kind of look like if I, you know, put like a. Like a Growing like if I had like a ray gun that like made someone bigger. I feel like if I shot Darien with a ray gun that made him bigger, he would look like like bonito. Cuz if he like grew a foot, he would look a lot like bonito. Crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the craziest thing I've ever. Oh my God. Okay, I see it though. I see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Looks like a mini bonito.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cuz they have the same hair. Similar like bone structure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so you go maybe for him technically.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cuz he looks the most like Darian. I guess. Yeah. But even Darian I would. Was too intimidated by it when I was in 2020.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Every guy intimidates me for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

See? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially gay guys. They really intimidate me.

[Moses Hacmon]

See, that's why my type back then would be like big eyes. Cuz I felt like I. You know, it was more equal same. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of go with the ugos. Cuz we're like. Yeah, the, the rare beauties, the not models.

[Moses Hacmon]

The friend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like our best friends. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Selena got.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, now that you put it in that context. Selena actually ate what. Cuz now like you know what tea.

[Oscar]

Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's exactly. She. She put it into words. I was thinking like I don't want the models. I want. You know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, I. I was the same way.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they're very good looking boys. I don't think you're either one of you are gonna find a partner as good looking as you are. You know, I mean, because you're both good looking, you found someone equally as good looking. And that just doesn't happen in life. Like there's always one better looking partner. Which means you're gonna have to probably find someone uglier than you. Because you both are like top tier tens that you're gonna have to settle probably for a 9 or an 8. Because there's just not a lot of tens like that out there that are single. Maybe a Jonathan Bailey. What if the one of them had an affair with them? Oh, that'd be crazy. He's everywhere she's going.

[Oscar]

Joey and Daniel.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Matchmaker. That's such a good idea. That is such a good idea.

[Oscar]

Who gets the big first?

[Trisha Paytas]

Daniel's definitely going with Benny and Joey should definitely go with Terrence because it's like, you know, swap. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love. Oh my God. You're so good sometimes. You're so smart. Wow. What if that happens?

[Oscar]

It's another couple of that long Term relationship.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's giving, like Leanne Rimes, like, was she. Did she take Brandi Glanville's husband and then Blandie Glanville took her husband or something. Oh, I think they ended up dating after the cheating. It also happened with, I think, like Shania Twain. I think she got cheated on and then married the husband of her husband's mistress.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So I think it happens a lot. Okay, so Joey and Daniel, now there was. Maybe there's no cheating involved, but now's your time.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm dead.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. That's a great couple idea. Couple swap. They were together just as long. Love that. And they're both not afraid of commitment. Love it. Get on it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Set them up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Speaking of, like, I guess just transitioning from gay couples, Scott Hoing got booted off against the stars.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, we love Andrew Richter and I love that he's like, putting an effort and getting better. But, like, what?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think even Andy Richter is gagged. That Andy Richter.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. He's like, I cannot learn another one of these dances. I do not want to do Halloween week abc. Like, I need to. I need to go home. We need their hurting. Yeah, that was crazy. If he does not go home this.

[Oscar]

Week, maybe somebody at the show hates him and they're just torturing him because he's okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a crazy theory.

[Oscar]

No, because he's trying to leave. He wants to be done. And he's like, I'm. I'm not into this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think. No, I do. I do love that he's trying. And as someone that's older, like, I love that he's trying and getting better. But, like, I mean, let's be bffr. Like, Scott was way better.

[Oscar]

I don't know. Andy kind of chopped and un.

[Moses Hacmon]

He is kind of. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's an actual ankh. Yeah. I don't know, but he is.

[Oscar]

Like, he said he's a performer. I think sometimes comedy last lasts longer than you did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Say that from the beginning.

[Oscar]

Talent. And he did well as far as being entertained.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pentatonix is so huge. Like, they have like these, like, massive fans. These like moms in the Midwest. You know what I mean?

[Oscar]

Like, I'm surprised, but, like, they watching Dancing With Us. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Claymates were all middle aged Midwestern women. That's all that's watching. These are the stars. I think the Gen Z people just watch Tick Tocks. I think people who vote, like, we got 100 million votes. 100 million.

[Oscar]

That's what they said.

[Trisha Paytas]

This Week we've had a combined 100 million votes. There's no way they're getting 100 votes.

[Oscar]

There's always a trick.

[Trisha Paytas]

But a hundred million even combined, you've only been on five weeks. 100 million, like 20 million people vote every week now.

[Oscar]

It's like when people say, you know, I've combined a million followers, but it's like 25, 000 in each different platform. Like something is odd.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, yeah. Combined 2 billion, 3 billion views. Really? But it's like that's 20 years.

[Oscar]

You do have a lot of views.

[Trisha Paytas]

But this is one season. That's five weeks. Weeks.

[Oscar]

They.

[Moses Hacmon]

The Mormon inflating numbers, the neighbors. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess there are a lot of Mormons out there. You're right. Not fair. Really. Okay. They're all great. I'm hooked. At first I saw the cast, I was like flop topica. But honestly, I love that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Eating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they're all really great.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is so unrelated, but I did see a tick tock explaining the. The Mormon back flipping pipeline with Benson Boone and then also Brendan Urie. I didn't realize he was also back flipper and Mormon. Yeah. Or I don't know if he is still, but it was recovering Mormon.

[Trisha Paytas]

What happened? Why the. Why is the T. What's Italian?

[Moses Hacmon]

I. Mormon. Especially Mormon guys love to backflip. This girl broke it down and showed all these like Mormons who backflip and I was like, whoa.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was it though. That was. The breakdown was just.

[Oscar]

They were just. They were just trying to show that Benson Boon was not like he stands on the.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, he's not original.

[Oscar]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Or maybe like they paved the way for him because maybe it's just embedded in him so he can't. It's like, you know, breaking the cycle of backflipping. So I maybe go easier on him because.

[Oscar]

No, but we always say that Mormon men are flippers.

[Moses Hacmon]

We have.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have we? Who said that? Crazy. Okay, well.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm done. I have a serious one to end on, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Serious. Oh my God. Not too serious. We had to end something cutesy. But okay, let's try and make it cutesy. Or. No, there's no way. What was it about? What is it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, there was two things. There was an article from Cat 10 Barge about Eugenie and Queenie AI, which was like so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Everyone on my set was talking about this too. That like she's like, like. Yeah. That one's like dark though, huh? I mean we can. But that it's like she's. Because, like, she hasn't been posting and stuff. Like, it's kind of scary.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It's like she. Because Eugenia has been pretty offline after she had a. Seemingly had a health scare on a live stream.

[Trisha Paytas]

Drinking water.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I guess in the absence of Eugenia posting, like a Eugenia update account on our channel on YouTube, I just started creating AI clips of Eugenia. And again, going down that, like, pipeline of, I mean, that we speculated pre Jake Paul coming out, that he was behind his own. Jake Paul AI like, yeah, the ethics.

[Oscar]

Of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Creating content with the likeness of a creator. But then also obviously with Eugenia, there is that layer of, like, they're. The content that they're making is, like, making her. Her eats and, like, making her do mukbangs.

[Trisha Paytas]

And is it real? Like, the Jake one is, like, realistic. Like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's very realistic. It's obviously with Jake's. We know that he was, like, behind it, like, you know, gave the licensing or whatever it was for Sora to use his likeness, and then, you know, he was investing in it and profiting off of it. With Eugenia, obviously, she's so offline. It's hard to know. It's hard if they're even like, if they're using Sora or if they're using, you know, a different app or AI to generate the. These videos of Eugenia. But it does skew into, like, weird fetish content of, like, you know, having like, a big person talk to her about eating or her in the supermarket and her eating chicken and her getting wet or like, someone throwing water on her. And it's so odd. And I get hundreds of thousands of views on tik tok, on YouTube. It's very odd. Yeah. It's a whole channel.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she hasn't. She hasn't talked about any of this. She's not out there. She's a stream. Right. She's, like, not streaming.

[Moses Hacmon]

She hasn't. Yeah. She hasn't been on and posting in a lot in months now, which. So it's. It is so odd. It's just like, again, such a slippery slope. It's hard to tell. Again, like, is there a world maybe where she, you know, agreed to having. Seeing an app use her likeness? Yeah, but there's also a world where she didn't, you know, so it's so hard to say. But the videos are so, like, uncanny. And also just like, weird fetish content and it's, like, so uncomfy, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I mean, maybe she Licensed out her, like maybe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, because Cap was looking into the Jake Paul, like AI, like pre, you know, Jake coming out about it. And then she started getting in her algorithm. She said AI generated videos of like Eugenia. And then as she was like researching Eugenia, she discovered like this channel that literally was making the most like weird fetishy content. And yeah, the likeness is crazy because it does look like it's like in her room where she live streams and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God, it's just so realistic.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was. What was Cat's angle like, what was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Her article just like how dangerous this kind of content is? I mean, that was pretty much like the gist of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

The AI or the specifically the Eugenia one.

[Oscar]

Fun use of AI to make.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, to make that happen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Especially like creating. I mean, the title of her article was AI generated Influencer Scandals are Here. So like using someone's likeness to put them in these problematic situations and stuff. And then it does make the lines like so blurry.

[Trisha Paytas]

But like it's never gonna. It's not gonna stop it. Right. AI is just here. That's it.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's hard to. You know, once that is like that can of worms is open.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, you know, how do you. Once Pandora's box is open, you can't really. We try to sit on it. The David Dobrik Pandora box. And that didn't work.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's wide open.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's like so hard to like take it back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pandora's box is the snakes.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think. I think I was gonna escape the night, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You watched it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

How'd they close it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think we'll find out in the next season.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's just open.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's still open.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they left it open.

[Oscar]

Is that Medusa's hair? The snakes? Pandora's box is just like when you open it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. No, Medusa. You like, you look at the snakes and they turn to stone.

[Oscar]

But her hair is snakes. Pandora box. I just don't remember the snakes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is there a Drake we named Pandora's Box?

[Oscar]

Yeah, but then with Eugene. Because I saw. I don't know how real it is about lawsuits that are happening against platforms for allowing her to put content that can harm young people. She's not. They're not. The lawsuit is not against her. But her material is being used as evidence to what the platforms are doing. So at the beginning I thought that's why she's not posting things.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. That is also could be related to. Yeah. Cuz the a federal judge in California ordered Tik Tok to hand over any internal records that which from like working with Eugenia and it's part of the social media adolescent addiction and personal injury products liability litigation. So yeah a judge is ordering like like any documents of them like partnering with her or there is or promoting her material promoting her and or Eugenia coming to like the Tick Tock offices and like working with them so or if they. This is again very watered down analysis of it or say like all the times where like searching Eugenia would be like blocked out. Like you would search her name and her account would have come out like she would almost get like shadow banned any documents as to like the reasoning behind that if they worked with like a PR company or anything to figure out what they would do how they would communicate if anything happened to Eugenia. So all this stuff as well they've been Tick Tock has been ordered to like you know. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that's new. I think this was 10-20-2 this article came out. So that's really recent.

[Trisha Paytas]

It. Yeah, people were talking about it too and I, I didn't know like a lot of people just were like speculating like she wasn't like okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah so it could like you said it could be like she's quiet because of all this stuff that's happening. It's very interesting. Such like a fine line. I mean there's so many like different Tick Tock lawsuits when it comes to like the algorithm and like addiction and like not properly putting like warnings for like adolescents and minors. Like like. Yeah about like the addiction to scrolling and stuff. So this is like you know another element to it Obviously it gets into like the freedom of speech argument. Like you know if they can censor someone like that like Eugenia with an eating disorder could they do like mukbangers who like overeat? You know it's like the extremes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

So it does bring up that whole argument as well. It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean how can you like blame someone for kind of existing. Mukbangers are one thing if you're over consuming. But it's not like she's. There are like skinny talk people who are like telling you like only eat an almond. I mean she never really did that so how can they use that against it is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know it's like she just exists.

[Trisha Paytas]

In a body that's sick, you know. Yeah, she's sick, you know. But yeah, that seems weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like the more it's. I think that's why people. I mean, she's obviously been an influencer for so long, and there's that. I think she. She is. Hey. I mean, I don't know how else to word, but she is. Interesting case study for, like, the morality of, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, I guess relating it to you. Like, you were someone who was, you know, very mentally unwell and sick and like, same with, like, Gabby, like, you know, putting this content out there and then no one, you know, helps. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

The platform didn't step in either. Is it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it the platform's responsibility? I don't know. Like, I don't know. That's where. Where it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's just like a different world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I mean, it is still, like, it's just a different mental illness, you know, and more.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, more.

[Moses Hacmon]

One that manifests physically, I guess. So it is. Yeah. Like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. On, like, the flip side, can you see the platform? Right? Like, does it make you. Does it enable mental illness for you to be posting? Like me posting all those crying videos and getting money and stuff? Like, can you, like, flip it around? Be like, watch. They can sue you for making it worse because you enabled it. I know. It's all. Is interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is interesting. I. There isn't really a precedent for it, really. I don't think, because it is so, like, nuanced. And like you said, like, because you.

[Oscar]

Can'T quantify it, you know, you can't say at what weight. We have to stop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right.

[Oscar]

You know what I mean? Like, you can't say, okay, at this point, we think you're through th. So that's why you can't quantify it. So you can't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So the moral, I don't know, it's so, like, morally ambiguous, I'm sure. Legally ambiguous, too. Like, it'll be an interesting, like, case.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

But, yeah, I think this was the first time. I think I've seen her, like, be really pointed out and named, especially, like, in a lawsuit with the platform as well. And it's like the states, California. So. Yeah. I don't know. So, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I hope she's well. She has been very.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Quiet.

[Moses Hacmon]

Quiet. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Sometimes maybe, like, getting off line can help.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You know what I mean? The last time she took a longer break, what I think she was.

[Trisha Paytas]

She came back a little.

[Moses Hacmon]

A little bit better.

[Trisha Paytas]

Recovered.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Internet's a crazy place. And it is. It does reward. Just what is the word Like, I don't know. I don't know. Like extremes, I guess, like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right, it does. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, like, polarizing, whether it's, like, loved or hated. Like, it's like Sam Pepper, the David Oberg, you know, it's like. It's like. Well, some people love the extremities of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it does reward. Really extreme one way or another.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's really sad. I know her case will always be sad, but. Yeah, hopefully she's just getting help.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hopefully.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always change it around, you know, there's always hope.

[Oscar]

Hope.

[Trisha Paytas]

She'd be a really good hope story if she, like, was able to, like, come back, you know, and, like, turn around. It's like a whole different person. But it's hard as someone who struggles with weight the other way. I mean, it's hard. Sometimes you just. It's hard to just control. Because sometimes you can't control it. It's like the whole point.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you're like a victim to some. Some serious. That is sad. Is that the sad one or was it.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was my sad one. Okay. It doesn't get much sadder than that.

[Trisha Paytas]

No happy ones to end on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Justin Bieber's on Twitch. Does that make you happy?

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess, if he's living his life. Was that the big one for today?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, the genie one was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that was the big.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was there a sad before that? Oh, the bending one. Well, Justin, see you on Twitch.

[Oscar]

Just don't go to TwitchCon. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Stay away from happy news.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anything happy? Anyone? Something happy yet?

[Oscar]

Hear how much money Jake Paul made on his.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, that is not happy news. Nothing. I'm not happy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Happy, happy, happy soda pop, my little soda pop.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's not one happy news in the world. No one getting married. No one having a baby. Happy, happy news.

[Oscar]

All right, well, we just celebrated 19 years for the Black Parade.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I love that. Is it 19 years? That's been 19 years since I've been on YouTube.

[Oscar]

Well, you started the same time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me, the Black Parade and the Kardashians, we all started on the same.

[Moses Hacmon]

The same year.

[Trisha Paytas]

What a year that's been. Yes, we love it. All right, well, I guess we'll end on that note. Thank you guys for watching.

[Oscar]

Happy birthday.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Oscar]

Happy birthday. Black parade. Was that. You finished the sentence.

[Trisha Paytas]

Happy Halloween, mate. We'll be back with the Halloween extravaganza this Thursday where we bring in the Just Trish cast and crew. You'll see, anything can happen. And we have our grand finale costumes. You'll see me. You'll see Oscar, you'll see Moses, you'll see Jimmy, you'll see my mom, and you'll see Cali. And we are here. Some people bring hot topics. Some people will bring Hollywood memories. And some people are the hot topics. Are the hot. Ooh. Are the hot topics. And some people have no idea what we're doing. Most of the people, even Jimmy's like, what are we doing? I'm like, I don't surprise us. You know, we'll see how it goes. Talent. Ooh, we should. That's our trick on them. It's trick or treat, right? Our trick will be good idea.

[Moses Hacmon]

Bring a trick or treat.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. And we're trick them, and then we'll bring them a treat, and we're going to trick them and be like, hey, guys, so today's actually a talent show. What's your talent that you brought today? I would love to see what they come up with. We're tricksters. Okay, see you guys soon. Happy news. I'm on Broadway, so come see me at Beetlejuice on Broadway and have a happy Halloween week. We love you guys. And if you come see Beetlejuice on Broadway, Halloween never stops, because it's Halloween all the time there. I love you guys. Thanks for being here, and we'll see you real soon. Bye, guys.

[Oscar]

Sam.