Dec 11, 2025 with Jordan Firstman

Summary

Just Trish — December 11, 2025

Guest: Jordan Firstman

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant episode of Just Trish, host Trisha Paytas and co-host Oscar Gracey sit down with comedian, actor, and writer Jordan Firstman, who’s been making waves as a breakout star on HBO Max’s I Love LA. The conversation jumps energetically between Hollywood anecdotes, career milestones, pandemic creativity, the realities of influencer and gay culture, and dreams for the future. Jordan’s signature wit and candidness blend perfectly with Trisha's unfiltered style, making for an engaging and honest look at the highs, lows, and hilarious in-betweens of making it in entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. How Trish & Jordan Met; Friendship Evolution ([01:55]-[07:52])

• Bonding Moments: Trisha and Jordan reminisce about how their relationship transitioned from fan-to-friend, working together recently, and supportive DMs over the years.
• Industry Skepticism: Both recall initial skepticism and defensiveness, especially from Trish as she was “just starting to be taken seriously by the mainstream press.”
  • “You were at the beginning of being publically, like, really embraced... the mainstream press had only kind of probably caused you harm before.” — Jordan [05:44]
• Mutual Admiration: Jordan attended Trisha’s live show, describing the audience reaction as “Beyonce times five” [07:06], while Trisha recognizes how Jordan pushed her back into the right rooms, highlighting their parallel ability to “manifest” opportunities.

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2. Jordan’s Rise: From Writer’s Rooms to Social Media Stardom ([10:02]-[16:28], [13:40]-[15:56])

• Early Career: Jordan got his start writing on TV shows like Big Mouth, The Other Two, and Search Party.
• Pandemic Pivot: After a personal and professional nadir in early 2020, and stuck at home, Jordan began posting offbeat comedic impressions and original sketches on Instagram.
  • “It was a very creative time for me because... I didn’t even know what my own thoughts were anymore... being alone, I was like, oh, these are my thoughts, and people like them.” — Jordan [15:58]
• Viral Lift: Ariana Grande noticed him week one—reposting his content for eight weeks straight. His following exploded from 15k to over 800k by August 2020. [14:40-15:38]
  • “Ariana Grande found it week one, and she reposted every week for eight weeks.” — Jordan [14:43]

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3. Navigating Fame, Self-Expression, and Typecasting ([17:20]-[19:30])

• Channeling Adam Sandler: Both share admiration for performers like Adam Sandler, who make a career playing versions of themselves—Jordan aspires to similar multi-genre respect.
  • “That’s who I want to be.” — Jordan [17:20]
  • “That is what comedians have done in the past... you’re wanted for what you bring to the role.” — Jordan [18:36]
• On Being “Annoying”: Jordan candidly discusses being perceived as arrogant or “annoying gay guy”—acknowledging anti-gay bias often comes from within the gay male community itself.
  • “It’s all gay guys.” — Jordan on his critics [24:19]

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4. Culture & Pop Culture Observations ([21:40]-[27:02])

• Social Anxiety vs. Outgoing Persona: Trisha reveals her shyness at parties, contrasted with Jordan’s social ease (powered by a couple drinks). Both joke about mukbanging, cooking failures, and the chaos of living online.
• L.A. Influencer World: They discuss the mechanics and absurdities of influencer branding, from Erwhon smoothies to not being paid for their viral cultural impact.
  • “They don’t pay anything... It’s just for exposure.” — Jordan on influencer collabs [27:02]

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5. Life Behind the Scenes & Personal Growth ([29:01]-[34:38])

• Directorial Debut: Jordan teases his upcoming directorial debut, a project years in the making, and the unique pressures and ambitions behind it.
  • “I’ve been trying to make my own thing because really, like, I feel my heart is like a writer more than an actor.” — Jordan [30:28]
• Fashion Sense: Discussion on collaborating with costume designers, drawing inspiration from stylist “mood boards,” and the spectrum between “Law Roach extra” and “black t-shirt and jeans.”

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6. Realities of Influencer Culture & Representation ([35:00]-[36:25])

• Show Accuracy: Trisha praises I Love LA for its authentic depiction of influencer anxiety—“if you stop for a second, you disappear.”
  • “I think that’s why people love the show—because it’s real. All Those people are 100% real.” — Trisha [35:46]

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7. Family, Upbringing, and Identity ([36:29]-[38:33])

• Long Island Childhood: Jordan jokes about his family’s “crazy” moments, including his mom marrying her step-brother in a “Clueless” scenario.
• Navigating Identity & Authenticity: He describes the complex ways personal and communal identities shape outlook and creative work.

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8. Criticism, Hate, and Online Discourse ([39:39]-[41:06])

• The Pitfalls of Social Media: Both avoid Twitter’s “dregs of society,” acknowledging its uniquely toxic energy.
  • “If you’re tweeting, seek help.” — Jordan [40:08]
• Trolling, Critiques, & The Workings of Hollywood: They ponder industry conspiracies, “industry plants,” and the illusory machinery behind awards campaigns.

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9. Gay Culture: Issues and Aspirations ([72:02]-[74:15], [24:19]-[25:25])

• Gay-on-Gay Rivalry: Jordan wishes for more solidarity and less competition among gay men, paralleling the evolution of women’s support for each other in media.
  • “I just wish we were nicer to each other and... able to see each other succeed and not try to prohibit that.” — Jordan [72:09]
• On Being the “Annoying Gay Guy”:
  • “Yeah, I represent the annoying gay guy. Everyone, like, gay guys are annoying, and, like, we should embrace—embrace that.” — Jordan [73:08]

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10. The Healing Power of Creativity & Spirituality ([78:19]-[79:19])

• Personal Growth: Jordan shares about his experiences with ayahuasca and making his feature film—a process he describes as both excruciatingly hard and profoundly healing.
  • “Life is a constant... I never want to stop growing, you know, I never want to be, like, completely healed.” — Jordan [78:57]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

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• On Jordan’s Live Show Energy ([07:06]):

  • "The audience goes crazier than any pop show I’ve ever seen in my life. Like, you go to Beyoncé and it’s tame compared to your show." — Jordan

• On Social Media Success ([14:43]):

  • "Ariana Grande found it week one, and she reposted every week for eight weeks." — Jordan

• On Influence and Identity ([24:19]):

  • "It's all gay guys." — Jordan on who criticizes him
  • "Gay-on-gay hate—always. Why do they do that?" — Trisha [24:23]

• On Hollywood’s Gatekeeping ([54:47]):

  • "I always feel like there's this secret, like, section of Hollywood that controls everything, and then like…no one knows what the they’re doing… you always think there's this machine, and there actually isn't." — Jordan

• On Embracing Being Yourself ([18:36]):

  • "That is what comedians have done in the past…you’re wanted for what you bring to the role." — Jordan

• On Career Manifestation ([08:03]):

  • "I manifested that for us a long time ago." — Jordan

• On the Reality of Not Being Healed ([78:57]):

  • "I never want to stop growing, you know, I never want to be, like, completely healed. And you're always finding out new things about yourself. And I think, like, that's when you stop living, is when you stop growing." — Jordan

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trisha & Jordan’s Origin Story & LA Bond: [01:55]–[07:52]
• Jordan’s Social Media Breakout / Pandemic Creative Explosion: [13:40]–[16:28]
• Typecasting, Comedy, and Being “Yourself” in Hollywood: [17:20]–[19:30]
• On Gay Culture, Online Hate & Community Dynamics: [24:19]–[25:25], [72:02]-[74:15]
• Behind the Scenes of I Love LA, Fashion, and Influence: [29:01]–[34:38]
• Family Backstory, “Clueless” Family Plotline: [36:29]–[38:33]
• Critiques of Online Platforms (Twitter/Threads): [39:39]–[41:06]
• Directorial Debut / Movie-Making—Ambition and Pain: [58:22]–[60:17]
• Hollywood “Machines,” Awards, and the Secret Hand: [54:45]–[55:34]
• Spiritual Healing & Ayahuasca Talk: [77:12]–[79:19]
• Show and Pop Culture Spoilers (I Love LA): [53:38]–[54:04]

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Tone and Style

The episode is relentlessly candid, self-aware, comedic, and unapologetically honest—matching Trisha’s trademark “chaotic sunshine” with Jordan’s neurotic brilliance. Both poke fun at themselves and the world around them, dissecting work, friendships, fandom, and failures with warmth, humor, and genuine affection for one another.

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Final Notes

This episode is a playful but revealing exploration of what it’s like to not just “break in” to the entertainment world, but to thrive—and survive—in it. Trisha and Jordan’s rapport offers rare insights into the unfiltered reality of navigating fame, reinvention, viral stardom, queer identity, and the anxieties (and joys) of staying relevant in a hyperconnected world.

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Transcript

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[B]

Did you know her?

[A]

No.

[B]

Like, how are you friends with everyone? You're like, I know Meg lover. Sending her a picture. Oh, Addison. Yes. Love her. Rachel. We've been friends for 10 years.

[A]

I had, like, Selena Gomez dancing in my bedroom. It was like, you know her friends. So I was like. I was like, Fatima works a 9 to 5. Like, Fatima is a woman of the earth. Like, she's. So I was just trying to. And people lost their damn minds that I explained the meme wrong.

[B]

Hello and welcome back to the Just Trish podcast. Today we have very special guest TV star at the moment on literally everything. And new bestie bestie Jordan first. Not new bestie. We've known each other. Jordan Christmas here.

[A]

Yeah. Fan. Fan to light, friend to now to now bestie.

[B]

Oh, yeah, we were. Yeah, we had a bond. I feel like this week. And that's why I was like, when can you come on the podcast? Like, after this week. We had such a. A bonding day. Really. And more bonding days to come.

[A]

Yeah, we. We worked together. Maybe on something.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe on something which was like, I don't. We can't really talk about it, but it was like the highlight of my whole life.

[A]

I know, but you'll be talking about things you shouldn't talk about. I feel like. I feel like you. You said euphoria before you were supposed to say it.

[B]

Did I?

[A]

I feel like you were like. I was like, on. I know.

[B]

You were.

[A]

Made it very obvious, and I'm trying not to.

[B]

I'm trying not to anymore. But no, we met With. Well, first of all, congrats on I Love la.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Star of I Love la. Like, truly a star. You're in every episode, which is the star.

[A]

With random. I'm one of the. You know, usually the gay guy is like, the sixth or seventh, but in this, the gay guy is one of the core four. Yes. So that's nice.

[B]

I love the core four. I love the show.

[A]

Important.

[B]

I love la.

[A]

I love la. I mean, you love la.

[B]

I love la.

[A]

You are la.

[B]

You're la. You're officially LA now, even though you're from Long Island. I know, but here we are. Okay. How are you?

[A]

I'm good.

[B]

Where did you come from?

[A]

I'm on the way I came from. I was. I got to the gym this morning. I did my thing there. Then I had to go do this music rehearsal in Glendale, and it took me only, like, an hour wait.

[B]

Can you talk about it or no? Cause it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, talk about what.

[B]

What you're doing. Cause it's so exciting what you're doing tomorrow.

[A]

I mean, it's cute. I'm doing like a. It's a Christmas benefit concert with Rufus Wainwright and, like, do Annie Lennox's.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

So it's like Annie Lennox and Becky and, like, Lucy Dacus. You know her from Boy Genius.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm like.

[A]

I'm on it. And I'm like. I'm like, can I sing Pennies in my. And they're like, yeah, sure.

[B]

Oh. Oh, you can sing that, too.

[A]

Singing that. Yeah, I'm singing two songs.

[B]

Okay. I heard about the. It was the Hanukkah.

[A]

Yeah, Hanukkah in Santa Monica.

[B]

Which is great. Who wrote it?

[A]

It's like some song from the 90s.

[B]

Okay. Love that.

[A]

It's very like, da, da, da, da, da, da. Okay.

[B]

Love it. So you're seeing that. And then. And then Penny's.

[A]

Rufus Wayne Wright, who, like, he's. He's so iconic to me. I grew up listening to his music. Like, you know Shrek 2 Hallelujah?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

That's him.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That's what made it, like, famous.

[A]

Literally made it famous. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

You guys seen that?

[A]

And so where's. I know, I know. There was a singer that David. And he pleased the Lord. Great line. There's that secret cord.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

That he heard. There was a secret chord that David played and he pleased the Lord. So there's like this secret chord that no one knows. But is he saying then that in the chorus that Is the secret chord. Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

[B]

That's the secret chord.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Oh, I love it. I never thought that deep into it.

[A]

You have to start thinking deeper. I don't know. You actually don't. That's your. That's your charm, is that, you know, you are very deep, but you can't think about it too much.

[B]

I don't like to think about things too much. Yes. I can get deep. I can get there. I try not to. It's a defense mechanism, I suppose, for myself.

[A]

I interviewed you. I asked you if you believed in free will. Do you remember that? Yes. Free will was that.

[B]

Literally didn't know. Like, I've heard it, but I was like, wait, but, like, what exactly does it mean? No, your questions were deep. No, this is so what. This is. What's so crazy? So we met. It's been like three years ago, and you came to the house and.

[A]

Okay, you were. You were a little skeptical at first.

[B]

You think?

[A]

I think so. Just because you, like. Let me just explain where I feel like you were at. You were, like, right at the beginning of being publicly, like, really embraced. And, like, I feel like you were like. Like the mainstream press had, like, only kind of probably like, caused you harm before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you. You were just starting to get photo shoots and people were, like, taking you seriously and being like, she's a major figure. And I was at the beginning of that, so I feel maybe thought I was gonna come and be like, gotcha.

[B]

Can I tell you? Yeah, look, I didn't even know. And I think you nailed it. Right? That is actually so spot on. Cause, yeah, it was like, finally, like, I took, like, maybe like a year and a half, two years off of doing anything. I literally went into, like, a meditation phase. Asmr. I was like, I see nothing. I know nothing. I'm not my former self. So, like, doing photo shoots and, like, just having people, like, look at you again was very scary. And then. Yeah, I didn't know.

[A]

Like, I'm just a gay guy. You never know the intentions of a gay guy.

[B]

Are you the evil gay?

[A]

No. Yeah. Like, which one are you gonna be?

[B]

Yeah, No, I was right. I was flustered. I remember we had just came from doing the idol shoot for Halloween, and then I came here and you were so sweet, though. You were so sweet and. Yeah, I just didn't know. You're right. That's very spot on.

[A]

But I was like. I did. I. I feel like I let you know very early. Like, I'm an actual fan, like, I'm like.

[B]

Which is.

[A]

I've been a fan for forever, you know.

[B]

That's so crazy.

[A]

I came and saw your show in Thousand O, which is.

[B]

I know. And like, I. That's a wild.

[A]

Can I just say, I. For those who have. I mean, I feel like everyone's seen it on the Internet, but for those who haven't seen it, it's like Beyonce times five. The audience goes crazier than any pop show I've ever seen in my life. Like, literally, like, you go to Beyonce and it's tame compared to your show.

[B]

People do get excited. I do love it.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

Thanks. I mean, that means a lot coming from you. I know. I wish you weren't busy tonight. Cause we're doing the show tonight in Thousand Oaks. It would have been. Meg is coming. I'm very excited. I get to meet her for the first time tonight. I like to meet.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Yeah. The best.

[A]

Genius.

[B]

Amazing, everyone.

[A]

Actual genius.

[B]

Well, it is true. Yeah. You did that interview. And it was at the beginning of just like, you know, coming back of sorts, I guess, to social media. And then even now, recently, you really helped me along. So you've been pushing me in all the right rooms. So.

[A]

Yeah. Really, I feel like we're. We're both manifesters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And with this thing that we can talk about, like, we, like. I manifested that for us a long time ago.

[B]

Long time ago.

[A]

And I DM'd. You remember?

[B]

I remember you DM me. And I told. I told Moses and I was just like, oh, my God. I was just, like, gagged. And.

[A]

And then it didn't happen.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then it did.

[B]

Patience.

[A]

Patience.

[B]

No, but it's crazy because right before I interview, I mean, you were like, already. You were like. You were already blown up because you had just done, like, the Robert Pattinson, like, in conversation with. And you did, like, all this. So I was like, this is so. So I guess that's why I was, like, so weird. I was like, why? Like, I think everyone has a motiv, like, so why here? Why are you with me when you could be with.

[A]

Yeah, because you didn't understand that, like, that, like, people. Famous. Not that I am or was, but like, that famous people were obsessed with you. Because we were talking about the idol and I was like, I'm really close with Rachel and all these people. Everyone loves you. And you're like, wait, what? People know who I am.

[B]

Which was so crazy. And now look at you guys, like, literally starring, writing. I didn't know you guys were best friends, but, like, Literally, it was the number two. Number three now. And it's like. Yeah, it's like, top five.

[A]

It's five. But I feel like every. Every week it comes out, like, the Monday after it goes back. Yeah. As it should be three. But now this. This heated rivalry show. Everyone's obsessed.

[B]

It's really hard to compete with some corny.

[A]

They. I watched it last night. I'm like, okay. They're really going, yeah.

[B]

I kind of love, though.

[A]

And it's like, only that there's very few scenes that aren't full sex.

[B]

I love la. You do have one. You have. You have a sex scene.

[A]

I have a little sex scene. I have one. I have a little one later in the show. It's obviously not as horny. I'm like, now I'm like, maybe season two more.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Rachel shows her boobs in the first episode.

[B]

I love that. Like, right when I win, there's, like, nudity right away. I'm like, so sign me up for sure. I think you might need to go, like, full frontal or something in season.

[A]

I told her. I told her the most subversive thing she could do is show her.

[B]

I don't know. Will they allow it on Max?

[A]

I don't know. No. She was like, obviously, I'm not doing that. I'm like. I'm like, lena Dunham didn't show up.

[B]

Did not.

[A]

Did not.

[B]

Has anyone. I mean, we're gonna get this censored.

[A]

I don't know. Oh, right, because the YouTube. Yeah, you YouTubers in your monitor, you don't need the monetization anymore. You're rich from other things.

[B]

Oh, my. I died. Well, you started. Okay, this is what's so crazy about you. So you started as a social media quarantine, Facebook or Instagram reels.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it reels. Wasn't even a thing yet.

[B]

So how did you blow up there?

[A]

It was like, I would do, like, these, like, basically, like, on my story for a week. Just as like, a creative exercise. I was like, I'm just going to do one kind of, like, esoteric impression, you know, as, like, just kind of like, like, I knew you're actually looked at me like, well, you know, I don't know.

[B]

Free, esoteric.

[A]

Like, kind of like a, like, heady. Heady doesn't, like, fully make, like, traditional narrative sense. Like, I don't know. It's kind of hard. Esoteric means kind of hard to explain, Moses, right? Yeah.

[B]

They're so similar, your eyes and your lashes. I was like, I feel like I'M looking at my husband's eyes.

The lashes are so long, though, because.

[A]

You have a lot.

[B]

What else are you, like? What's your background?

[A]

I did 23andMe. Oh, just 99.9 Jewish.

[B]

Oh, so there's not.

[A]

What's the point? 01%, like, probably Jewish again. Yeah, it does, does. It does.

[B]

Oh, it's so pretty. Eyelashes. Okay, Sorry. But. Okay, but esoteric.

[A]

Yeah. Russian Jew. Russian Jew.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Thanks for the clarification.

[A]

Russian Jew.

[B]

Yeah, I love it.

[A]

But, yeah, I have. No, no, because I. People often think I'm, like, Sephardic, but I'm not at all.

[B]

Yes. Because that's what I thought with the eyelashes and stuff. We were talk that I had an.

[A]

Ex, and I'm not afraid to talk about him because he was abusive, but he. His whole identity was attached to the fact that he was Native American. And then he had to do a 23andMe for some, like, project. Zero percent Native American. And, like, I watched his identity crumble. And, like, it was. And it was. And then for me, it, like, it clarified a lot of stuff of just, like, him and identity. And so, like, you know when you're in a weird relationship, like, any clues you have kind of excite you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, why are they this way? And we were already in a bad place, and so I was like, why is he so weird and mean to me? And then, like, that. And so I was like, this could make sense with your identity issues. And he got so mad at me, saying, he's like, you, I am Native American. These tests are lies. And it was crazy.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe it was inaccurate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. That's sad.

[A]

Yeah. You know, but life, you know, we all have to go through. Through toxic relationships.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. They're the worst. Until you find a happy one. Okay, so back to reality. What are you doing before quarantine?

[A]

I was writing for TV shows.

[B]

Right. You said you were, like, in a writer's room.

[A]

I was. Yeah. I wrote. Oh, that's how I met.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Someone you can't talk about.

[A]

Someone I can't talk about, by the way.

[B]

I don't want to intercop, but, like, Jordan knows every single person, and everybody knows you. There could be just someone walking by and be like, oh, yeah, this person said, hi. Oh, I had dinner with this person. Like, and then literally, they went to me at some point because people just. Everyone knew you. Like, I don't know anyone that knew you. Like, literally. Remember that one guy when we're in the back room he literally was like, I think I don't know the only. We can bleep it, but somebody's like, said, hi. He's like, and I don't know anyone that knows you. I was like, oh, okay.

[A]

He said that to you?

[B]

I think he's trying to, like, not be awkward. I don't think he's trying to be rude, but it was funny. And I was like, I don't know anyone either, so thank you.

[A]

But you're, like. You're in your own, like, ivory tower. I feel like. Like, you're like. You. You are. You feel very remote. You're, like, so famous and so removed out on these streets, like, my way.

[B]

Well, it's working because you are everywhere. Okay, so before 2020, you're doing what I'm.

[A]

Yeah, so I wrote on, like, Big Mouth. If you've seen that show. I wrote on this show called the Other Two. I wrote on the show called Search Party. And so I was like, yeah, it's TV. Writing for most of my 20s.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

And making, like, short films and stuff like that.

[B]

Oh, my God. Okay, so you were, like, in entertainment.

[A]

I was in it, yeah.

[B]

So why did you go to social media? You kind of went backwards.

[A]

Well, it was basically, like, in. It's so funny talking about this now because it feels like so long ago, but, like, January 2020, like, my entire life fell apart, and, like, that abusive relationship ended, and we also worked together, so it was like all of my. I felt like my whole entire life was over. And he kind of made me believe I would never get a job again if we broke up. And so I went through this massive breakup. I had a show in development that got killed. Everything just kind of, like, fell apart. And then the pandemic happened, and I just kind of started doing the impressions, and, like, week one, they blew up one. Yet somehow Ariana Grande found it week one, and she. She reposted every week for eight weeks.

[B]

Did you know her?

[A]

No.

[B]

Do you know her now?

[A]

Like, only online. Like, we DM and stuff. But, like, it's. But.

[B]

Oh. And you were sharing your every single impression. Like, you have to do them unless you want to. But, like, what. Who are you doing?

[A]

Like, the. I feel like the one that blew up. They're very, like, Pandemic focus. So it's like, you remember how, like, everyone was making banana bread? Yeah, my. The one that blew up really big was Banana Bread's publicist. And I played, like, I played banana bread. And honestly, now I see so many, like, sketch videos. I'm Blanks publicist.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I did that. Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, wait, so did you just. Okay, so one day you're just. Homie. You're doing these sketches, basically.

[A]

Yeah. And then I just kept doing them for, like, a year. And then I. Yeah, I had. I think, like, at the start of the pandemic, I had, like, 15,000 followers, and then I had, like, 800 or something by. By, like, August.

[B]

That is so crazy.

[A]

It happened really fast.

[B]

Reels wasn't, like, a thing. So they're not like.

[A]

No, but I think I was doing them in, like, dumps. Like, I would do 10 a week. I would do 10 impressions a week and put in one post. So kind of it was like a smorgasbord of, like, if one wasn't for you, the post would still get shared. Wow. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. They're like, look at this one. And then.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And you're living by yourself doing this.

[A]

I was totally by myself, like, isolated. It was really, like, a very creative time for me because, like, I had just come out of. Yeah. Like, I don't know why I'm talking about this relationship so much, but it was, like, a very controlling relationship. And so I didn't even know what my own thoughts were anymore. And so being alone, I was like, oh, these are my thoughts, and people like them, and, like, they're resonating with them.

[B]

Oh, my God. So it actually opened you up more.

[A]

100%.

[B]

How long were you in the relationship for?

[A]

It was, like, four years.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That's a long time.

[A]

It was a long time. Yeah.

[B]

So no wonder, like, it affects you, like, so deeply.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you healed from it, you think.

[A]

Or you have a. I definitely healed from that. But then I had another relationship after that was really great.

[B]

Oh, good, good.

[A]

And that ended. And I'm not really over that.

[B]

Okay. But not. Didn't, like, necessarily traumatized.

[A]

No, no, no. I'm just like, whoa, I can't believe I'm not with that person anymore. Vibes.

[B]

Oh, my. Are you the type to reach out, like, hey, maybe you could try again? Or no, you're like, it's done. It's done.

[A]

I feel that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I. It feels like it was a chapter and, like, we both grew so much from it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I never say never, you know, I still love him. You know, I, like, I. Yeah. He has a boyfriend now. They do collab posts on Instagram, but it's fine.

[B]

Okay. Not to be that person, but you also sound Like Adam Sandler a little bit. When I was looking at you earlier, your laugh, you're. The way you were talking.

[A]

That's my. He's like my biggest inspo. Like, I wanna. I wanna. That's who I wanna be.

[B]

You sound like him, too. You, like, look like him. Sound like. I love him so much.

[A]

I don't even know.

You know, when he does, like, the. His, like, goofy voice. But I. I think I could do, like, the yell. I would have to, like, practice it. Yeah. When he's like, what. How does he yell?

[B]

We try to do Adam Sandler impressions all the time because we love him.

[A]

What's like, a line.

[B]

I don't even know from Adam Sandler. Like, which one?

[A]

But you know when he gets that yell when he does that. Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's from a Cappy Gilmore. Like, when he yells. Yeah. Grande just did Actors and Actors. Did you see that?

[A]

Wait, who did you do it with?

[B]

Adam Sandler and Ariana Grande just did Actor.

[A]

Oh, that's a fun. That's a fun duo. That's a fun duo. I like that.

[B]

Has he ever been in your DMs? Or have you been in his DMs?

[A]

No, he doesn't. He never followed. But he. But I met him once and he was so nice.

[B]

You mean Malibu?

[A]

No, like an award show.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, but he was. He was great. But I feel like that's the, like, career I'm manifesting. Because you get, like. I think, like, real filmmakers really respect him. Yeah, he gets to do his funny stuff, but then also gets to do his drama stuff.

[B]

Well, it's interesting is we have this conversation where you're like, I'm done playing myself. You, like, you think you play yourself all the time, but, like, he kind of does play himself all the time.

[A]

Well, that's why when these online are, like, they say about me or Rachel or like, any of, like, like the. That is what comedians have done in the past. It's like you're wanted for the. What you bring to the role. And so it's like, yeah, sure. Like, if you. If you need me to play, like an 18th century, like, like, nun.

[B]

Like, Like a Bridgerton brother or something. Not a nun.

[A]

But it's like, do I even want to do. I'm not. Like, you could, but. But to me, that's not as exciting. I'm like, I agree. I'm not an actor. Like that. Like, I'm not just like, I, like, want to. I want to embody different.

[B]

Disagree with that. I think you are Such a good actor. But you are such a character. And I feel like that's why people love Adam Sandler or they love Jennifer Aniston. They're hiring them based on like those personalities, you know, and like same. It's like I don't want to play anything other than like me, I guess, but like, that's what I'm good at.

[A]

Yeah. And even when you are like dropping like into your, you know, I love your bar. We character.

Made, but it still is. It's you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, but I feel like I, you know, I. I think what I.

[B]

More so funny just hear something like, you know, I love your tavern mate. Like, no one's ever said that. You're laughing just like Adam's daylight. I feel like you need to be his like son or something.

[A]

I love to play his son.

[B]

Did you get an audition for Happy Gilmore 2 where everybody was in that movie? Like, did you even try? Because you were so connected to everybody. Like, how did you not.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes I know it's happening.

[B]

I would just be like, get me in there.

[A]

But okay, I think it will. Let's let. We can use this time to manifest a project with me and Adam Sandler because I think we look similar.

[B]

Very similar. You sound the same. We have a whole Adam Sandler shrine upstairs.

[A]

We're both like obsessed with our weight. I feel like, like if you, if you look at his movies, he was writing like every. There is some about his weight in every movie.

[B]

You are obsessed with your weight. But you look so good. You're like, I need to do this. I need this. Like, you look so. Okay, here's chicken fingers from bre.

[A]

Wait, where is it?

[B]

From Brent's. Have you been?

[A]

No. Is it amazing?

[B]

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[A]

Thank you so much, Moses.

[B]

Yes. Thanks, Moses. And there's coffee on the way.

[A]

Are we, like, can we. Can we. Can I take a bite while we talk?

[B]

But yeah, you know what? I need to start. Oh, he left. I need to start mukbanging on the podcast more. Lucas said on Owen's podcast, like, no, I, like, thought it was a mukbang. And then it was like, a podcast. And like, Lizzo, she liked to mukbang. I guess I should just mukbang in podcast.

[A]

That might be my thing. But have you done the Bulldog? The Bulldog?

[B]

Oh, those noodles.

[A]

Yeah, I haven't had. Are they good?

[B]

Oh, my stomach. My stomach pretty strong. Like, I can eat Taco Bell. You know what I mean? I can eat anything, but my stomach is spicy. Yeah, I can do spicy, but something. But those noodles are just, like, cheap and, like, I don't know, like, no offense to Bulldog, but you. You want to try it?

[A]

You get canceled for saying Bulldog is cheap when it's like, a dollar.

[B]

Well, first of all, I do love. I mean, I love a Kraft Mac and cheese. Do you go grocery shopping?

[A]

No.

[B]

You don't cook?

[A]

Do I look like I cook?

[B]

Kind of.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No. You saw me on set. I'm like, give me Red Bull. Give me calm.

[B]

You move. You. You made the coffee wrong, too. You did get yelled at for making coffee wrong.

[A]

Oh, my God. I got really. She did not like me.

[B]

Like, you're making it wrong.

[A]

I'm like, chill, girl. Like, okay, so, like, life goes on. Life goes on.

[B]

I get her, though. I feel her be like, you did that wrong.

[A]

You're on her side.

[B]

No, I'm always on your side.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

I really just love being around you. It's, like, so funny. Cause, like. Like watching you is how I want to be. I want to be outgoing, and I want to, like, be that one. But I'm like, I'm really shy, like, in.

[A]

In real life and social stuff. Yeah. Because I remember I, like, it was like, you need to, like, come to a party. And you're like, I don't go to parties.

[B]

The idea of going to a party is like, I love the idea, but, like, I know once I get there, I'll just, like, want to, like, turn around and go out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, like, I feel awkward talking if I'm standing alone. I feel so stupid. Like, if no one's talking to me. Look, I can go up and talk to people, but I choose not to. So I just stand there, and then I'm alone. Like, no one talks to me. So then I just leave.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm very in. And then if I do talk to someone, like, they're probably like, don't talk to me. Who's. Who's around? You know, like, that's.

[A]

I mean, that's definitely. That's definitely what? No, everyone feels that. No, I think there's definitely that vibe in la. But I just. I don't know, I just, like, have, like, a couple drinks and then I'm fine. Like, so I. I can feel socially also. I feel like sometimes I really just say the wrong thing.

[B]

You don't. You are so charming. The way you go and just, like, talk to you. Who. Doesn't matter who it is. It could be the person.

[A]

A lot of people hate me.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everyone loves you. Everyone loved you. Like, he's the best. He's really. Well, you are. You're very confident. And some people could, like, look at that and be like, what's, like, arrogant, maybe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you're just confident. Like, you'll just. You don't care. You'll go talk to anybody and everybody.

[A]

You're like, I think that has been. That has been my demise. I even get. I even get scared talking about it because I'm like, I. I don't want to give them any more fodder.

[B]

All.

[A]

You know, it's all gay guys.

[B]

Really gay on gay hate.

[A]

Yeah, always.

[B]

Why do they do that?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Yes.

For the holiday.

[A]

French. French toast lattes with almond milk. Are you. Do you. Are you feeling the holiday spirit yet, or you're not quite there yet.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You're feeling it.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

But are you actually feeling it in your soul? I feel like it's happening late this year.

[B]

No, because, like, I do trishmas and it's all Christmas songs. Holiday songs.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I should do a Hanukkah song. I didn't think about that.

[A]

That. Yeah, you should just do. You should do the. The Hanukkah song. The Adam Sandler one, maybe. Put on your yarmulke. It's time to celebrate Hanukkah.

[B]

Do it like Adam Sandler, though.

[A]

Put on your yamaka.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That was a little bit. Yeah.

[B]

What do we need? What's happening? Okay.

[A]

I don't know. Yeah.

[B]

Do you want this? I don't know. I'm just. Do you want it?

[A]

Let's see how this chicken.

[B]

I've had chicken tenders three times today. Not getting, like, two things of chicken. Good.

[A]

It's okay. This is good. Doesn't taste like French toast.

[B]

No. Maybe because you put the almond milk in it. This feels very. I love la. Why is this not sponsored? Why is this not in the show? Are you guys getting sponsors in there?

[A]

Not. I don't think we did this season. No, we had to. We're the only people ever to be allowed to shoot an Air One.

[B]

Oh, but they didn't pay.

[A]

No, we had to pay. Oh, you had to pay a lot.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

That's so bougie.

[B]

You advertise us, but fans.

[A]

Yeah, they don't need any.

[B]

I.

[A]

We. I feel like we should have an Air1 smoothie. Rachel should have an Air1 smoothie.

[B]

I love LA smoothie. For sure. Cheers.

[A]

Cheers.

[B]

Not only am I sponsor, but not bad.

[A]

I remember La La Land when that guy. When that cucumber twink was really popping.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[A]

They had his own La La Land.

[B]

You're so online, too, Which I love.

[A]

I'm so deeply online.

[B]

I love, like, you know, more sometimes than even me. You're like this person.

[A]

I'm deeply online.

[B]

Oh, my God. I didn't know all that.

[A]

But you know the cucumber toy?

[B]

You know why I know him? Because at the same time, we were talking about having a drink with La La Land, and I was, like, so excited. And they. Look, they came back around and they're like, you'd have drink. But they. They pushed. Not pushed me aside. But they're like, oh, he's a priority. He came out first. So I was just like. So then I felt a little sad.

[A]

This is like when people. When people criticize I love la, they're like, this doesn't happen. You're just like, I got pushed aside at La La Land for the cucumber twink. I'm like, this. This happened. This is real. This is real.

[B]

This is so real. And then me.

[A]

They're not a priority. Right? Like, you getting your feelings hurt. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, well, we'll circle back around and then I saw that drink come out first. I was like, oh, you put the cucumber drink ahead of me. Okay, fine. And then they're like, we can do Valentine's Day. I was like, no, actually, I'm good. I'm booked. I'm busy. Like, not busy at all. I should do it, honestly.

[A]

But would that be, like, a bag or it's just kind of a vibe?

[B]

No, I don't think you get any.

[A]

Paid anything, which isn't fair. So they're using your likeness.

[B]

I think everyone's the same way. I think they don't pay anything.

[A]

They don't. It's just for exposure. It's like.

[B]

Or even. Do we even hear, like, people pay to have a smoothie there? I don't know.

[A]

I heard they're taking Hailey Bieber's name off of the Haley.

[B]

I wonder why.

[A]

So that might be if they're not paying. I mean, if she didn't get paid for that. That's actually insane.

[B]

Actually called the Haley Bieber smoothie. Or people just call it that.

[A]

I think it is the Haley Bieber Strawberry Skin Glaze Donut Glaze.

[B]

She. If it's a strawberry glaze donut. Yeah. Okay, maybe you're right. Like, it's on the menu.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, maybe she got paid. I don't.

[A]

Do you love donuts?

[B]

That's my spin off of I love L. A. I love donuts. I love donuts.

[A]

I do.

[B]

I love a voodoo donut.

[A]

I'm not crazy about it. Have you had the one. Have you had that one that's in Koreatown that it's like, California Donuts? No, no, it's actually the girl. I'm so online again, but there's. I don't know her name, but there's a new streamer that's doing really well. Short hair, really funny. Vanilla maze.

[B]

Her.

[A]

She. Her viral thing was trying that donut that, like, pistachio salted pistachio donut.

[B]

No, I don'. Know where this is from.

[A]

That is how she, like, blew up. That's her meme. That's her main b.

[B]

Do you know the donut?

[A]

I know the meme. It's. It is truly the best thing I've ever put in my mouth. Like, it's.

[B]

Oh, you went because of her.

[A]

I went because of her. I ordered it and it was. Or Sidecar. Have you had Sidecar?

[B]

Yes, they deliver here to us shout out Sidecar.

[A]

Really good.

[B]

They always give us free donuts.

[A]

You want some donuts?

[B]

Yeah. I got the hookup with Sidecar feel.

[A]

Like I don't get free anymore.

[B]

Which is crazy because you're on, like, literally the number two show. It wasn't ever number one. We should just call it number one. Number one show on HBO Max.

[A]

It's number globally. It's in number two.

[B]

But that's, like, crazy.

[A]

It feels welcome to Derry.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Because you get those big shows. It's like. Yeah, yeah. The horror. The art show is, like, still, like. I feel like some people are gonna miss some of the jokes. It's kind of inside baseball a little bit.

[B]

Yeah. It's kind of niche.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the fact that it's number two. Some people don't even get their shows made.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's.

[B]

It.

[A]

I would say it's big. It's doing well.

[B]

It's huge.

[A]

And we got picked up for season two already.

[B]

Congrats. Are you so excited?

[A]

So excited.

[B]

When does it start filming?

[A]

Rachel's gonna start writing, like, asap, and then hopefully we'll film in the summer.

[B]

Are you gonna have time? Because you're also. You're also directing.

[A]

Yeah. Club Kid, you know? You know, I mean, I'm a fan. I have two more days to shoot in London, but, yeah, we shot the most of the film.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Are you. So when does it, like, when do you think it's gonna come out?

[A]

I would hope, like, at the end of next year, like in fall of 26. That would be, like. That would be my. Yeah, it is fast. So I'm not gonna, like. But, you know, we're. We're manifesters, so there's. There's a couple things for that movie I'm manifesting right now.

[B]

Tell me, do you see, like, Oscar? Do you see film festival? Do you see, like, cult classic?

[A]

I don't even wanna. I don't even want to, like, say, because it's like. I don't know.

[B]

Oh, okay. You know, I see myself winning like, an award one day. I'm like. I see myself, like, winning an Oscar. Emmy or something.

[A]

100.

[B]

But that's what I'm saying. You could say that about your film. I could see it winning something.

[A]

I would like to. I would like to be in consideration. Yeah, I would like to be in the. In talks.

[B]

You know, I think it'll be. I'll see the billboards for it.

[A]

Yeah, it's a very. It's a very, like. It's. It's not. It's. It's kind of serious movie, you know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We talked about it so briefly when I saw you this week, I don't.

[A]

Want to talk too much about it because it's so early and, like, you know, you want to give. You want it to. You want to talk about it at the right time.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

But you make your.

[A]

It's a directorial debut. I've been working towards this for a long time.

[B]

How long?

[A]

Like, 10 years, maybe 12. Yeah, I've been trying to make my own thing because really, like, I feel my. My heart is like a writer, like, more than an actor. I feel like a writer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I've always written, and so this is my first, first big project I've gotten to make.

[B]

This is so exciting. I'm excited because you went from, like, okay, you're like, writer, model, then you go to, like, influencer, not model. You were modeling. You were modeling.

[A]

But it was kind of like a joke. Like, I actually, I don't know.

[B]

You were, like, showing. You were. You know, there was one that you just posted on stairs, like, a day ago. And you look so, like, you're, like, modeling.

[A]

I mean, listen, I've, I've, I, I did a Versace campaign back in the day.

[B]

That's modeling.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

But as a joke.

[A]

No, but it's like, more in, like, the way a. An actor would do. I'm not, like, actually modeling. But that's nice. That's nice.

[B]

Versace is crazy. Where did you go? You go to Italy?

[A]

No, but it was. I shot it here, but we edited it, so. Because I, I, they let me write it and do everything. And so I, I wrote myself as Donatella's boyfriend. And it's like the whole thing is like me driving through a light on the phone with, like, some, Some mystery woman you don't know. And then the reveal is at the end. On the other line is Donatella being like, whatever, and then she hangs out. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I love her.

[A]

She's an icon. And she stayed. And I, like, she's like, there's nothing that isn't major about her. Still, like, every day.

[B]

Oh, my God. Are you wearing Versace clothes? Like, do you wear designer?

[A]

I haven't been wearing so much Versace, but I wear. I, you know, I wear some designer.

[B]

Because what I thought was so interesting. And Moses called it on the show. We loved your outfits. And I was like, oh, I love this. I love the pink fuzzy jacket. He's like, I feel like those are just his clothes. And I was like, no, that's crazy. Like, doesn't get a say on what he Wears. And then literally, I thought you're like, they were my clothes.

[A]

I was like, they. No, I mean, they. It was definitely a collaboration. Like, I knew what I wanted him to look like, but I sent, like, mood boards.

[B]

Oh, so they weren't in your closet? I thought they were, like, in your closet.

[A]

There may be some. Maybe one or two things I brought. But, like. No, it was definitely. There was a costume designer. She was great.

[B]

But you, like.

[A]

No, but I knew exactly what I wanted.

[B]

It was very good.

[A]

Charlie to look. Because he's a stylist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know. Yeah. So he has to be in the right vibe. But there's. There's such different types of stylists. Like, some. Some, like, gay stylists just wear, like, a black T shirt and jeans.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then some are, like, law roach and, like, going extra. So I think Charlie's more like the extra.

[B]

I'll just say. What. What was the inspo.

[A]

There's. There's Dochi's stylist is always kind of in, like, matching outfits with her, and we kind of have similar look a little bit alike. So I was sending a lot of pictures of him.

[B]

And you want to, like, match.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, it would. Yeah, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, like, there's Silas that, like, kind of want to be stars, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And I think Charlie. Is that for sure. Yeah. He's not in the background.

[B]

Yeah. You're like, I'm there at the Met. Have you been to the Met?

[A]

No.

[B]

Would you go?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Versace needs to call you again.

[A]

Yeah. Well, they just fired the new. The new creative director.

[B]

Wait, why? What's the tea?

[A]

He was so good. It was, like, one of the best collections I saw in the last year. And then they. Yesterday they announced they fired it. Fashion is, like. It's the wild west out there.

[B]

I don't know nothing about it, and nothing makes.

[A]

Nothing makes sense. You should do a Runway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would love.

[A]

Is that another. You know, I could see you doing Marc Jacobs.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like they do do a lot of influencers, huh?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think Vanilla Mace just did one for them.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Vanilla Mace?

[A]

Yeah, the donut girl. Donut girl?

[B]

Everyone does Marc Jacobs. Yeah. Tar. Yummy.

[A]

Do you know.

[B]

Do you keep up with, like, the girly influencers or any influencers? Like, who do you keep up with?

[A]

I'm not a huge fan of her. Her.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which one? Tara.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She just doesn't. It's like, I'm not. I have nothing against her, but she doesn't hit me. Where I live. I'm like, I'm listening.

[B]

I'm like, she might be for the girlies.

[A]

Yeah. Name other people.

[B]

Who's hot, right? Did you watch streamers? Qt, Cinderella?

[A]

No.

[B]

Do you want Alex Earl?

Who are influencers? Jake Shane.

[A]

Yeah, Love Jake Shane.

[B]

We love him. He's kind of not influenced anymore. He kind of went to mainstream. Who are influencers?

[A]

Okay, so I'll tell you who I'm obsessed with.

[B]

Tell me.

[A]

I'm obsessed with Shorty Bay.

[B]

Love. She's been on this podcast. She was right there in that chair.

[A]

I know. She followed me recently. I've never been working. I'm like, how? How did she find. I'm like, what?

[B]

Like, she's an icon.

[A]

She is an icon.

[B]

She was so sweet. She was.

[A]

She's an icon.

[B]

One of my favorite interviews, and she actually did very well. Like, the, like, numbers wise people really liked her.

[A]

Of course. She's like, did you see those videos of her, like, in the mall that, like, when she's really blowing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, this is crazy.

[B]

We share a hairdresser.

[A]

Shout out Tony.

[B]

He does her hair. And Tony's the best. And he showed me those at, like, the Galleria and just shut down. They need a police escort out. You think my concerts are crazy, Go to a Shawty Bay meetup. Like, that is love Shawty.

[A]

Is she still, like, popping like that?

[B]

You know, I think maybe not as much, but still, in a way, it's hard to.

[A]

I'm curious, like, your take as an influencer about, like, with the show, like, if you feel like it's getting it right.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Because there is that line, like, Quinlan Blackwell in that line when she was like, if you stop for a second, you disappear. And I feel like every influencer can relate to that.

[B]

It's like, I think that's why people love the show is because it's real. All Those people are 100 real. Every character is real 100. And it is true. I think that's why I never stop, because I think it's true. I think people do forget about people, like, instantly.

[A]

Yeah, instantly. And like, you can't. You kind of. You get. Then you get criticized for being, like, overexposed, but it's like, there's no other alternative. You have just, like, be out there all the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless you're like Meryl Streep, you know?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

My favorite influencer.

[B]

I love Meryl Streep.

[A]

Where's her one smoothie?

[B]

Yes, you're right. You're right about That. I think that's why. That's why that show gets it right. Because I feel like sometimes they have influencers and they portray them like, just wrong.

[A]

I do have, like. I just feel like I know too many things. Unnecessary things.

[B]

You know, a lot. I think that's what it is. I think you know so much. What's your, like, lifelike Long island and school life growing up.

[A]

Ooh. I.

[B]

Because I told you. Why you coffee. I told you. I was like. I thought like Nepo, baby. I was like, he's definitely.

[A]

I love.

[B]

No, your confidence is really just like. My dad's a billionaire, so it doesn't matter. I don't need this job. Like, that's the vibes you give me.

[A]

Very nice, way humble Long Island Jewish family. My parents, like met working at a newspaper. Very. It felt like very 90s. Their whole vibe was 90s.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But yeah, I was only child. No, I have two. I have two older siblings. They're twins with each other. Allie and Mandy. They're fat. We love. We love.

Yeah. Just kind of. It felt like in the moment it felt like normal family. And then looking back, like some crazy happened. I think actually my family is kind of insane and like a lot of just like in.

[B]

What actually or no. A little bit.

[A]

My mom married her stepbrother, but that is. They're not actually related, but just like a lot of like weird, like, adjacent.

[B]

Yeah, that's very clueless.

[A]

Because Paul Rudd.

[B]

And heard siblings and they wanted. They definitely have to have. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like. Because she kept telling him her brother and then at the end they like, like kiss and I'm like, that's hot.

[A]

That's hot.

[B]

Well, I guess if it's a Jason.

[A]

I've been. I've been working on writing on this ins. Movie that. Yeah.

[B]

What? Yeah, like Game of Thrones era where it's like.

[A]

Okay, no, it's modern. It's modern.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I think it's like the last frontier, but. But then Mike White did it on White Lotus. I'm like, can't do it.

[B]

Well, he just did like a little, little insinuation. You're talking about doing a full on flood show. Yeah.

[A]

Movie, movie, movie, movie. I don't know about it, but I think if. I'll tell you one time on. On the thing we're not allowed to talk about, I'll tell you the plot. It's a really good plot.

[B]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[A]

It feels very like mellow drama. Like it's very. It's like high stakes. Mellow drama.

[B]

Okay, well, that's the thing with art, right? Like, you seen Weapons?

[A]

Yeah, no, I haven't seen it yet.

[B]

Okay. I haven't either. But, like, when I hear. But, like, weapons and, like, dairy, right? It's like this really, like, these graphic things about with kids, and I'm just like, who thinks of it? Right? But it's like, it's art, so then people like it, but I'm like, but someone has to think about these, like, weird, twisted thoughts, you know? And it's like, why. Why is this being made?

[A]

I feel like often, like, the more extreme, the less people even, like, have a problem with it. It's like, I feel like I love LA is getting a lot of criticism because of how real it is. And so people are like, they're actually relating to it. Whereas, like, that, like, they'll see people getting, like, murdered and, like, it act in, like, a. Like. Like sometimes I think, like, in those big Marvel movies when like. Like, a monster, like, smashes into a building, I'm like, okay, so 800 people died.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, no one cares at.

[B]

All because it's Marvel, because.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

And it's like, a boy. This is very, like, girly gay. And I think those shows get a lot more criticized than, like, yeah, like, Game of Thrones. Like I said, there's. Yeah, there's everything going on in Game of Thrones, and, like, we love this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then.

[A]

But they're like, oh, my God. Like, he, like, tweeted that. Like, you know what I mean?

[B]

It's like, do comments.

[A]

I have gotten better, especially on Twitter. I don't, like, look at Twitter anymore. I mean, I look a little bit, but, you know, I can't.

[B]

I can't. Can't either. I mean, not to say it's like, maybe it's fine now. I haven't looked in years, but I can't, because I remember Twitter was, like, the worst of it.

[A]

But it's the dregs of society there. It's like, if you're. If you're tweeting, seek, seek help.

[B]

No. Well, unless you're being nice.

[A]

But no one is. There's, like, there's very few nice things happening on Twitter, I guess.

[B]

I guess that's why you just don't go there.

[A]

And then, like. And then I, like, checked on Threads, and I'm like, it just feels so cheugy. It's like, Threads is like the meta version of Twitter. You don't know Threads?

[B]

No.

[A]

It'S Very millennial feeling. That's.

[B]

I love la.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't have threads.

[A]

You don't have threads. I'm jealous of your microphone.

[B]

Oh, the bling. I could have gotten you a little blink when I didn't know you liked it.

[A]

Yeah. You're blinged out. Out. Yeah. And your. Your Birkin is. Is blinged, right?

[B]

Yeah. You want me to bring. I should. Brought them here. You wanted me to bring the Birkins to the thing I did earlier. He's like, I requested. I'm like, they didn't tell me. I would have brought it because I.

[A]

Don'T think they like the idea. I don't think they like it.

[B]

You just request things. You're like. Or you just do things. If someone is like, something like, I'm just gonna do that.

[A]

I was real.

[B]

I know you can't say it, but you literally were like, I'm just doing this. And someone's like, I don't know. And you're like, I'm just gonna do it. Me. I'm sorry.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm very by the book. I'm like, whatever. When we do, I'll change it. I'll just buy.

[A]

I've just also learned that, like, if, like, on. On. On Rachel's show, there was, like, some, like, line deliveries that, like, I knew how I wanted to say it, and then they would be like, let's just try one where you, like, do it. Like, do it less. Obviously, that's the one they use. And so I'm like, I'm not gonna do it less than. If I want it to get used, then I have to just do it the same way every time.

[B]

Wait, but you said that they use the one that they wanted when they said do it last, and they used the one that was less. Yeah. Oh, so you should do that then. You should just.

[A]

No, I should just not do it. Because then the one.

[B]

Oh, they have to use the one they don't want.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then I get the one that I want on camera.

[B]

Good thing you're a director.

[A]

I know. Well, that was when I started directing. I was like, oh, right. I was supposed to be doing this the whole time. I could just boss people around and be like, no, that's the way it is. Is. Yeah.

[B]

What inspired you. What movies inspired you as a kid to be an actor or director?

[A]

I was, like, a huge, like, Woody Allen fan. Yeah, same, like, Annie Hall. I love. Honestly, Adam Sandler movies. Like. Like, I, like, was obsessed with Happy Gilmore. Like, like those big comedies, too. Like, I love Dude, Where's My Car.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Like. Like, ironically?

[A]

No, I loved that movie. And if you go back, talk about heated rivalry. They are so hot. And, like, they are so hot in that movie.

[B]

Were they having sex with each other?

[A]

No, but it's very homoerotic. I think they. They're, like, always, like, shirtless and touching their bodies. There is something about an early 2000s body that just. No one has any.

[B]

It was, like, softer back then.

[A]

Softer. It's so natural. Like, not overly worked out, but like, oh, my God.

[B]

You like that? Who are the stars? Who are the.

[A]

Sean Patrick or William. It was Ashton Kutcher and Sean Patrick Scott.

[B]

Patrick Harris. No, Sean William Scott.

[A]

Sean William Scott from.

[B]

Okay, yeah. Sifler from America.

[A]

Yes, exactly. But they're like, so.

[B]

Yeah, I don't remember that one at all. I don't. I remember when it, like, came out. Like, I remember.

[A]

But yeah, they have, like. They get tattoo. They get tattoos on their back, and one says, dude, and one says.

I forget.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, but he's like, what does Yours say dude. No, but what does yours say, dude? Like, they go on my thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Maybe not for me. That kind of movie, but.

[A]

And then I love Scary Movie.

[B]

Oh, they're doing another one of those.

[A]

I know, but it's all. It's like young, very young people. I. That one I did ask about.

[B]

What do you mean, very young? Like, general.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[B]

I mean, she's actually kind of like 25.

[A]

She's old.

[B]

As. She looks young. He looks like she's 17.

[A]

She's one of the. She's one of the oldest people alive.

[B]

Well, to me, I always think of her as, like, 18, but she is like, you know, she is like 26 or something like that.

[A]

Are you a Wednesday fan?

[B]

Yeah. Moses is. Moses is. He would. We would watch it. I'm like, okay. Like, I. Not my.

[A]

I actually almost just. Did you know how I forced Josh Hutcherson to do Tiktoks with me?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Have you seen that?

[B]

I didn't know about this.

[A]

Full force.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I almost had us do. I almost had us lip sync, like, two nights ago to, like, the Grant and Ash one you guys did together. They're like, I got my. Like, my.

[B]

It was not always like. No, not that.

[A]

But we did one of their other ones.

[B]

I love. I know. Grant Ashley.

[A]

They're so funny.

[B]

No, them as Grant Ashley. Not twinking a redhead.

[A]

They're really funny. They're like some of the. I just. I feel like a lot of the younger tiktokers, like, aren't. They're funny, but they're not like, comedy. I like that. Grand national comedy.

[B]

I get, like, intimidated. Because every time. They're very sweet. Every time I do a show in New York, they always come to help promote it, and they always do these elaborate skits, and I'm so not an improv. Or as we know.

[A]

I. I like, turn.

[B]

You can't talk about it, but I think we.

[A]

We. We're working. They know we're working together.

[B]

Could be your fault.

[A]

But I was like. I was like, trish, I'm just gonna give you a little improv on this one.

[B]

You're like, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Absolutely not. And I'm like, I promise you'll be so good.

[B]

Like, this is crazy. I was like, that comes with my acting skills. Cause you were saying something like, okay, here's my.

[A]

Where's my. Let me remember what I was saying.

[B]

It was crazy every time. But I'm not an improv. If someone's like. So anyways, with Grant Ashley it's like they have these skits and they kind of just give you a premise and, like, okay, just act it out. And I'm just like, I'm so not that active. Yeah. I think I can act in some capacity. Not that way, but they're fabulous. We love them. What do you think about his crumble cookie outing?

[A]

I. That one kind of. Kind of? It's weird. What? What piques my interest. Never. I'm never in these conversations with the queer baiting or outing. Like, it's just doesn't pique my interest.

[B]

What do you mean? Like, you just have don't know what's happening.

[A]

You don't know. I'm just like, I don't care.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, oh, a crumble cookie guy might be gay. Like, wake me up when September ends.

[B]

Love that. Okay. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah.

[A]

I'm gonna start saying, that's over. It's over. It's over. Now it's December. Huge. I mean. Yeah, I like Green Day. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

They were at Coachella this year. You see them?

[A]

Who did I go this year? Who else was there this year? I didn't go this year.

I was say. I was like, I'm not gonna go.

[B]

Go. Okay.

[A]

It's too much. I was like, I had a lot. Oh, you know what it was? It was like my album had just come out that week.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I was, like, doing press for it, and I was like, I'm not gonna go unless I'm like, let's talk about that. Singing one of my songs.

[B]

Okay. Eat A.

[A]

It's not called Eat A. It's called I want to see my friends. It's very innocent. It's very innocent.

[B]

Okay. You just want to see.

[A]

I see it. The whole thing is just about curiosity, brotherhood.

[B]

You're. We love brotherhood.

[A]

Yeah, we love brotherhood.

[B]

You had your profile pictures at. For a while.

[A]

Yeah, it's me. It's like face looking up in a bunch of bare bellies.

[B]

Bellies. What? It doesn't look like bellies. Like, it. Well, it is bellies, but it's bellies.

[A]

But there's. It's suggestive because usually when you see that angle, it's like, switch it. It's like a vibe.

[B]

But we're censoring so much. All of it. Someone told you lately you have to change it now that you're a hit show.

[A]

Yeah, well, they were basically. That album is very raunchy, and it's just what was coming out of me at that time. And it's just. I think A lot of people loved it. It didn't, like, completely take over the world, but it wasn't meant to. It was a niche. It was a niche thing. But, yeah, I think I'm out of that era. Yeah. I think my, like, you kind of. We go in eras.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it's like, I'm not feeling that anymore. Yeah, you were. You were in your sexual era, and then you exited it.

[B]

Not my. Yeah, I might very much.

[A]

Like, you're in your mom era.

[B]

I'm in my mom era. Yeah. If there's ever a little cleavage, I was like, oh, yeah, do that. Yeah. It's crazy. But.

[A]

And I'm just. I'm in a bit more of, like, I. I still will, like, talk my. And like, you know, I'm wild.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But.

[B]

But also not.

[A]

But also what?

[B]

There's also drilling happening out there. Sorry, I was distracted.

[A]

There's some construction which were like.

[B]

We need to pause that.

[A]

Construction. What happened to your big pink car.

[B]

That way? That was a while ago. Were you. Did I have it when you were here? Yeah, I was brokenness. Yeah. It was coming out of a brokenness era, so I was probably like, I probably don't need a $5,000 lease on this Rolls Royce. So I did give it back, but I'm better now.

[A]

So you're leasing. Okay. You saved now? Well, you have. You have kids.

[B]

Yes, I had to.

[A]

You have to, like. But you still probably spend.

[B]

No, I really don't. I really don't spend.

[A]

And are you. You're making. You're making good money still?

[B]

Yeah, I'm decent.

[A]

Decent. Not like you had eras where you.

[B]

Were like, oh, days. Yeah, I think I make. Okay. I'm smarter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Honestly, it's better that I make less. Cause I'm smarter with my money as opposed to when I was making more.

[A]

I would like some more money, but I don't think. I don't have to, like, think about it, which is nice.

[B]

Yeah, that's, like, the place to be. Like, comfortability. Do you ever think, like, why they just don't print more money? Money.

[A]

The. The whole thing is a total scam. I mean, obviously it doesn't. It does. It's a. Obviously a construct that doesn't make sense now. It's all online anyway, so there's literally.

[B]

Money is like, nothing.

[A]

Yeah, it's nothing. But it's. But it's. As Addison Ray said, it's everything.

[B]

Money is everything. You love Addison.

[A]

I love Addison.

[B]

Do you know.

[A]

Oh, I know her. She. Friend. I love her. She's the sweetest person alive.

[B]

Like, how are you friends with everyone? You're like, I know. Meg lover. Sending her a picture. Oh, Addison. Yes. Love her. Rachel. We've been friends for 10 years. I was like, what do you mean?

[A]

I are friends like that. But we're. But we are friends and I.

[B]

She's great.

[A]

She's like exactly what you think. She's the nicest person ever. You're like, nobody. How are you this hot and, like, this talented and this nice? She's an angel.

[B]

I've DM'd her. That's why the most famous person in my DMs. Who was the most famous person in your DMs or vice versa.

[A]

Probably like, Aniston was in there when she's. During the pandemic era.

[B]

She loved your videos.

[A]

She loves me.

[B]

Bring those back. Seem like everyone really liked those videos.

[A]

Yeah. But it really feels like it a different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm kind of embarrassed by them now.

[B]

Do you still have them up?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I need to go look. I never went back to look. I need to go look.

[A]

I wonder what you would think. You. I think they. They would probably feel very pandemicy.

[B]

I love pandemicy. Like 2020 tick tocks. When they, like, come back.

[A]

I like, I think there is gonna be, like, a nostalgia of that.

[B]

There already is, like, the Renegade and stuff.

[A]

Oh, my God, the banana bread.

[B]

I'll make a cup of coffee for your head. You remember that song that was with the banana?

[A]

It was so good. Stay awake for too long.

[B]

I love.

[A]

You know who I feel like you would really get along with is True Whitaker from the show Alani.

[B]

Oh, really? Yeah, she loves that stuff too.

[A]

Well, yeah, she's. She's born in the house that I'm.

[B]

In the house for. Yeah.

[A]

But she has the kind of like ditzy, ditzy energy like you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You're an Alani.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

On the show.

[B]

You think? Yeah. You know what? That's so interesting. When you watch the show, you do try to figure out, like, who you are.

[A]

You're Alani for sure. Because you're super positive.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

You're like, no negativity allowed in this house.

[B]

I love when she goes into, like, the meeting and she's like, oh, yeah, this is like our vp and she. You want to come in? She's like, sure, what are we talking about?

[A]

And then she's like. Then she's like, yeah, like he. You know, my first boyfriend in eighth grade. And she's like, well, he was 28, but he was a really good driver.

[B]

And they're like, yeah, that was.

[A]

She's like, am I boring you guys? And they're like, no.

[B]

Thank you so much. That is. There's so many great scenes. Spoilers are coming. Spoilers are coming. Spoiler. Get out now. Spoiler alert.

Spoiler warning. The most shocking one, that Twitter was ablaze. But it was when I. We saw you, and I was like, oh, my gosh.

[A]

Who.

[B]

Spoiler alert. But who dies?

[A]

Yeah. Mr. Mr. Lucas Landry.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Why.

[B]

Why do they. That's crazy.

[A]

I think it's to kind of take.

[B]

Test.

[A]

Test Charlie. You know, Charlie's put through the ringer.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

He has a lot. Charlie is, like, constantly humiliated. That's kind of his thing.

[B]

Like.

[A]

But he grows. Yeah, he grows.

[B]

Okay. I didn't get to see the last episode. You gave me the link. But, like, it's like. It is. Your phone doesn't support this playback? And I was like, no, because I was trying to watch it in bed last night.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, you'll see it. You'll see it.

[B]

When does it. When's the last episode out? This week? Next week?

[A]

No, we have six. Seven. Eight.

[B]

Eight. Okay, there's three more because this will come out on Thursday. So there'll be, like, two more episodes.

[A]

Yeah, but you saw six and seven. No, no, you couldn't. You couldn't play anything.

[B]

No, I'm so sad, because I really wanted to. You know, I love spoilers, so.

[A]

Yeah, but. But we'll make sure the link works for you.

[B]

You know, I think it was my phone. Something's like, your playback's not supported or whatever.

[A]

When. When your playback isn't supported. Hate that feeling.

[B]

Emmy nomination, maybe. Can you guys get nominated for that? I don't know what the categories are.

[A]

Yeah, I would love that.

[B]

That. How does it work?

[A]

That's the thing. I'm like. I always feel like there's this secret, like, section of Hollywood that, like, controls everything. And then, like, every, like, level I rise. I'm like, wait, no one knows what the they're doing. Like, nothing is actually. You always think there's this machine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then there actually isn't. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. You're like, who is making these decisions?

[A]

I'm like, are they pushing us for Emmy? Like, how do they do that? How would they. Like, yeah, there's certain things you could do. You could have screenings for voters. Like, we did that. But it's like, you feel like there's, like, some of these things are just like. That's like when people are saying, like, industry plant. I'm like, when you get to the bottom of it. Yes. There are certain people that, like, systems push forward, but there's only so much they can really do.

[B]

You can't just, like, make someone happen, but you give that energy. Like, you give the energy industry plant. No, no. Well, that too. But also, like, how you're like, who's the one in charge? But, like, if anyone can make it happen, it' like you with this show because you give the vibe of, you know, who's in charge.

[A]

Yeah. But then there is. It's like, I don't know, there's something existential about it because you're like, oh, they're actually. You're like, you're. You're searching for this God like figure and like, you're going to search for your whole life because it's. You're never going to find it.

[B]

Maybe Adam Sandler, maybe he's by the closest to God like figure in Hollywood.

[A]

I mean, he can do what he wants. Yeah, but, you know, he doesn't. He makes some stinkers, you know.

[B]

Does he? What's a flop one? Even Jack and Jill is lit.

[A]

Like, I feel like there are some ones that come out on Netflix that don't hit Huey.

[B]

Halloween was amazing.

[A]

You like them all?

[B]

Yeah. There's not one. There's not one I can think of that's a flop.

[A]

I never saw, like, blended.

[B]

I don't know that one.

[A]

See?

[B]

Okay, see? Maybe flopped. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe. But, I mean, he's our hero. We love him. We. I would never say a disparaging word about Adam Sandler because I'm gonna. I'm gonna pay a song, son. In one of the hits.

[B]

You would be.

I would do it in a flop, too.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. I would do it in a flop.

[B]

I love. I think there is something to say about being in a flop, right? Like the Showgirls back in the day.

[A]

Do you ever see I was in a Flop?

[B]

Which one?

[A]

I was in the. Do you remember this Netflix movie, you people, with Jonah Hill, Eddie Murphy? I'm in that. I'm like, the coke guy. I'm like, get us to the coke. Remember? I'm like one of his friends at the bachelor party.

[B]

Do you remember him in that movie? The one with Jonah Hill and the AI Kiss missing?

Yeah.

[A]

They, like, go to Vegas and I'm like, I'm trying to get the coke. And Eddie Murphy's like, oh, so you do.

[B]

And I'm like.

[A]

I'm like, he's the coke guy.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yes.

[A]

But it was like, that's a. That was a flop.

[B]

Oh, my God. But I loved it. But like, over time, kind of iconic. Like, it will be iconic.

[A]

I'm down to do. I'm down to do flops.

[B]

I love. I think flops are.

[A]

Yeah, they're important. They're important for people's careers for sure.

[B]

Then they become. Over time, everyone's like, we loved it. You know, what is it? Dream role for you on?

[A]

Oh, my. Now it's so quiet. It's scary quiet. Now we just like, entered a void, but just like, it actually, it became so. And like, this is like what happens when you die. Like, that's the sound you hear. It's like complete avoid a void of.

[B]

Noise, just us and avoid.

[A]

I think it's because of the acoustics of this room. Oh, my God. It's so scary.

So scary music.

But I honestly. Not to sound like a total.

[B]

But that's crazy.

[A]

But my. The movie I just made, like. Yeah. To make my own thing that is, like, really personal to me and talk about what I want to talk about. And, like, there's so much emotion in the movie.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And yeah, it's been like. Like, it's been such a special experience. And so, like, even to get to do it once, I feel so lucky. No matter what happens with it, like, to actually get to do it was so. Was so special to me. And so, yeah, I would love to keep. I was thinking on my way here, like, directed during the process, I was like, I don't know if I will survive this. This is like, I. I can't. I don't know if I could wake up tomorrow and do this. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. And because it was like my. It was so much pressure on me because I'm like, it's an ambitious movie. So if this doesn't. If any part of this doesn't work, it's. It's more embarrassing because of how ambitious it is. You know what I mean? And because of how much of myself I put into it, if it doesn't work, it's like I just don't work. You know what I mean?

[B]

Can I tell you? I feel like if it doesn't work, it's like the timing, like you're ahead of the time or something.

[A]

But I just even mean creatively. Like, there are certain days where you're just like, oh, this scene isn't working the way I pictured in my head. But like this, it was just the hardest thing I've ever done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then now I'm at like, I. It ended like three weeks ago and now I'm like, I could do it again. But during it I was like, I don't know if I could survive this.

[B]

I think because you're just so. You're so invested, you wouldn't want to do it for 12 years. This is your dream role. Like, I mean, how could you not be a little, you know, in your head about it?

[A]

And it's just like, so you directing, you have to know. You pretend to know every decision. Like, they'll be like, which color mug? And you're like, obviously red. And you're like, wait, should it be purple?

[B]

Purple? Like, I feel like, you know, you're like, give me polka dots. Like, I feel like, you know, I.

[A]

Most of the time I do, but sometimes with, I don't know, I also feel like I'm such a emotional storyteller and not as visual like you with fashion and clothes and like, and furniture or set design. I really am. But sometimes with camera movements.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that is like a math part of my brain that I can't, I can't full. Like, I need to get better at that.

[B]

Like a dp.

[A]

Of course, of course. And he. I had. It's phenomenal, extraordinary.

But even that, like, I still, like, you know, for my next one, I want to experiment more with different movements of the camera or different tricks and. But yeah, I think it's just hard. It's like a really hard all encompassing job. And I'm in every like, scene of the movie too. So I'm having to like correct yourself. Be in it and then go out and like notice what's wrong and then go back into it.

[B]

It.

[A]

And there was a kid in the movie and so it was like, it was just a lot.

[B]

That's a whole other element. You were saying that I was like having to direct a kid, work with kids. Like, it's hard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, that's a lot. That's a lot. And it's your first movie, but this could be like your Rocky.

[A]

It could be my Rocky.

[B]

Which is crazy, right? It did well. Rocky did.

[A]

I think it did pretty well. It did at the time.

[B]

Did it? I don't know. I feel like, you know, movies come out at first and like reservoir.

[A]

There are some things that you would think of as hits that weren't, weren't at the time. But I think Rocky was A hit. I think Rocky was a hit. They. They did well with that one. They did well.

[B]

I know nothing about it. I just know it was like he wrote it for himself, which.

[A]

It's good. It's good. It's not like it's such a guy movie. You like guy movies?

[B]

No, I don't.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

No. That's why dude wears my car. Sounds like a guy movie. And I was like, no, you like guy movies.

[A]

I like boy movies.

[B]

Yeah, you're very.

[A]

But not guy movies. Like, I'm not. I'm like, not, not. I'm not into like 2001 A Space Odyssey. Sorry. Definitely not like a guy like very. Like. Like Tarantino. It's not all for me. I know you love.

[B]

I did. When I was a pick me.

[A]

Like, I actually. I love Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That's like. Like that.

[B]

I love la. That's giving Hollywood.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, it's giving that. If you could be on any other TV show at the moment, what would you be on?

[A]

Avi White, Lotus.

[B]

Oh, is that. We never talked about that.

[A]

Oh, my God. I feel like that's even Mike White. He is the reason I write.

[B]

Wait, what was the thing that you.

[A]

Enlightened. He made this show called Enlightened 2009 or 10 that changed my life forever.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know. We don't know.

[A]

Starring Laura Dern. And I saw that. I like, did not know that writing could be that.

[B]

What's enlightened, what it's about?

[A]

It's about this lady who's living kind of like in. In like Irvine, California, and she's. She basically. It starts with her crashing out. She works at an insurer at a, like a vitamin company that does a pharmaceutical company, but she's in like the. The clean meds environment. No, she's actually in health and Beauty because she starts going, Health and beauty was my department. Health and beauty was.

[B]

But anyway, passive and wine Lotus right now. That was so good. You and Laura.

[A]

But she. So she starts with a crash out and then. And then she goes to this rehab in Hawaii and comes back enlightened and kind of goes back to the company being like, like all positive. And everyone's like, you're an insane. And she's like just trying. She really keeps it.

[B]

She keeps the sanity. But it is.

[A]

It's such a beautiful, complicated character because, like so much of her like self worth is out of like narcissism, but. But it's real for her and like she actually wants to make the world a better place, but come from this really, like, dark, sinister play. It just. It's such a beautiful show and the performances and. And Mike White's in it and he's so good in it.

[B]

Oh, I love when he's like.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he just. He is like my biggest inspiration.

[B]

Wow. So even before White Lotus.

[A]

Yeah. That's why when everyone was like, I love Mike White. I'm like, y' all don't even know Chuck. And Bach, his first movie. Like, he. Yeah, I'm obsessed with Mike White. So that you know him.

[B]

I feel like you would know him.

[A]

I've met him, but not. But only once. Only once.

[B]

I couldn't imagine you on, like, the set of White Lotus because I just feel like seeing how you are, like, do you think you'd be as confident on there? Would you be more, like, intimidated because you love him so much?

[A]

I would. I would gauge what vibe I could be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And yeah, I would be very respectful.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I feel like hires you or takes you on. Knows this, like, knows you as this. It's funny you said people, like, there's people that don't like all of this because it is just so, like, commanding. How could you not? I like was. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast. Smart move. Being financially savvy. Smart move. Another smart move. Having State Farm help you create a competitive price when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling. Just another way to save with a personal price plan like a good neighbor. State Farm is there prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. A availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Coca Cola for the big, for the small, the short and the tall. Peacemakers, risk takers for the optimists, pessimists for long distance love for introverts and extroverts, the thinkers and the doers for old friends. Friends and new Coca Cola for everyone. Pick up some Coca Cola at a store near you. Like, I. I texted Moses like literally an hour in. I'm like, Jordan's like, so nice and he's so sweet and like, you were just me feel comfortable, like right away with like the Skittles machine of it all and stuff. You were just like, I don't know. I just felt very like, you're like, come with me and come say hi. And I was like. And I'm very that person. I just like, follow someone around.

[A]

But I feel like I have, I think also so, like, Most. Most. If I'm gonna really dissect, like, why people wouldn't like me is that, like. Because when I. When I do. When I care about someone, like, I really put my focus and energy on them, and if I don't, like, they just don't get the energy. And so I think. I think people could if. If I'm not giving them, like, my all could see me as, like, a. Because I'm not, like, paying attention.

[B]

Right, right, right. I get that.

[A]

But, like, with my friends and my family, like, I'm like, I'm such a. I care so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm also like. I feel like this is kind of in line with what my movie's about too. But, like, I'm a host. Like, I want to make sure everyone is having a good time. Like, throwing parties for me is, like, very stressful parties. I used to throw ragers where.

[B]

How?

[A]

Like my apartment during the pandemic, like, people were going off. I had, like, Selena going Gomez pole dancing in my bedroom. It was like.

[B]

Everyone.

[A]

There were some really good apartment. And my apartment's not that big, but I would have, like, 300 people in, like, a tiny space.

[B]

I love an apartment party. Like, if someone invites me to apartment party, like, that's where it's at.

[A]

They were really. They were really a moment. And then I had. I had a famous 30th birthday party that ended up. I got semi canceled because it ended up being a super spreader event. It was like one of the first major super spreader events.

[B]

Was I one of those people that canceled? I was that person. I was like, wow, look at these super.

[A]

But, like, Charlie XCX got Covid at the party and, like, all of these, like, like, Kim Petras got Covid like, your party and, like, and, like, went. So now on Spotify, there's a playlist of every girl that got Covid at my party called Jordan Firstman super spreader event.

[B]

Oh, I made it. I was like. I was. I was that person. If I. Because, you know, I'm so antisocial. So if I saw people getting together, I'm like, wow, you don't care about the world.

[A]

Like, listen, I. I only turned 31.

[B]

You're like, this is. I didn't even know you were 30.

[A]

I'm 34 now.

[B]

I didn't know. I guess I knew, but I guess I, like, didn't know.

[A]

Yeah. Mid 30s, you know, nothing.

[B]

I. That's. So you said. We talked about you on the podcast and we're got canceled.

[A]

Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Which I was like, wait, what?

[A]

So Oscar. Oscar, your friend would you love.

[B]

You're like, where is he? Works.

[A]

He set me up. Up. Well, he didn't actually, but he. Basically, I was scared. So the Internet was calling Rachel Fatima. Do you remember this Fatima? Yes, yes. The meme.

[B]

What's Fatima?

[A]

Basically, the meme is, like, a picture of her, and she's in, like, a leather jacket, and she. And the meme is that, like, she looks Middle Eastern but in a white way. She, like, she looks like her name is Fatima but in a white way.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

That's like, the meme. And I obviously knew what the meme was, but we're on the red carpet. Carpet. E is like, Oscar tells them to ask us about Fatima.

[B]

How do you know?

[A]

Because he told the story on the podcast.

And he told me, like, wow, I was getting dragged. Oh, my God. It actually is. There's a full circle moment. So then they're on the red carpet, and I'm kind of trying to. 1. I don't want to maybe on the red carpet be like. Talk about, like, Middle Eastern in a white way. It's like, I'm trying to, like, protect Rachel, but also, I wanted to give Fatima a character. So I was like. I was like, Fatima works in 9 to 5. Like, Fatima is a woman of the earth. Like, so I was just trying to. And people lost their damn minds that I explained the meme wrong. But I'm like, I didn't explain the meme. I killed the meme. Well, that's the thing. It's like, they want, like, the. They want who the meme is about. They want them to stay out of it because it's like, theirs.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

But basically, then this. This girl in New York named. I'll say her. Her name. Her name is Alaska. She just tweeted, like, quoted the video. And the tweet was, is he dumb as or something? That tweet got 30 million views. And so people were like, this gay, gay, annoying guy. People were so mad. Cut to last summer. I'm doing auditions for my movie, and there's, like, a group. There's like, a really fab group of, like, trans girls in the movie. And I get an audition tape from an actress named Alaska.

[B]

Oh, did you cast her?

[A]

And I cast her. And then. And then. And then she, like, came up to me at a party, and she goes. She goes, babe, can I clock my own tea for a second? Like, did you see the tweet? And I'm like, yeah, we all Saw the tweet. I love it.

[B]

You still cast her?

[A]

I still cast her.

[B]

Can I say I love that?

[A]

I. I mean. Oh, you know, you gotta.

[B]

I love it because, you know, here's the thing, right. Is people do tweet. People will be saying stuff all the time. Right. But then when you, like, get the opportunity. Right. That was me. I wouldn't say. I was, like, talking. I was definitely jealous of, like, the call her daddy girls when they, like, first.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, wow. They're like, so boring. So then when you got to do hard Daddy something. Absolutely. Yeah. But I tell Alex, I was like, okay. Just so you know, because you never know those clips that resurface. But she was like, so cool. She's like, well, who hasn't? I know. That's the thing.

[A]

It's like, we, like, actually this. I'll use this opportunity to do another thing. But the guy. The guy that sings at people, you know.

I. I kind of sub tick tock. I made a tick tock. Just about. It wasn't even, like, really dragging him. It's dragging, like, just the environment of, like, being, like a celebrity. Now it's like, now you have to have a gay guy sing at you and, like, pretend to be like that. I made a tick tock about that and he came up to me at an event last week. He's like, hey, I know you don't like me, but, like, you're great on the show. And I was like. And I was like, no, I. It's not that. I just. I'm a gay guy talking like, that's. It's not. It's not that. So. Harry, Harry, you're wonderful. You're just very sweet.

[B]

He's the sweetest. Every time I have a kid, he's always giving them, like, presents. He sends them, like, build a bear.

[A]

Yeah. See, he gives kids presents. He's an angel. He's a saint. Paint.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But, you know, it's like sometimes you just, like, have a thought and, like, want to talk, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And also, like, when someone. Yeah. You just. Yeah. Because everyone's talking. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. What would you change about gay culture? What do you love and what would you change?

[A]

Oh, that's such a good question. I. I really like. It's. It's corny to say, but, like, I just, like, wish, like, we were nicer to each other and, like, I wish we can. I wish we were able to see each other. Succeeded and not try to. To prohibit that from happening. That's.

[B]

Your gays are like, the women of the 90s, like, women of the 90s just, like, hate each other, and then.

[A]

They figured out how to at least pretend to support each other.

[B]

I think it's really supportive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Me, I used to, like, hate all women, and I'm like, I hate all men, and I only want to see women and everything. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, yeah, but the gay guys still will, like, will, like, bend over backwards or bend over forwards for, for. For a straight guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, they haven't gotten to that point yet. And I'm like, that's the thing. What? Like, when I see gay guys hating on me, I'm like, guys, like, I. I'm on your side. Like, I'm trying to tell stories that reflect the reality of, of being gay. Like, that I'm. I am a good thing for it. And, like, yeah, I'm annoying, but a lot of y' all are too. Like, yeah, I represent the annoying gay guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like.

[B]

And that's what we love.

[A]

Yeah. Everyone, like, like, gay guys are annoying, and, like, we should embrace.

[B]

Embrace that.

[A]

It's beautiful.

[B]

I'm annoying.

[A]

Yeah. We're like, you know, we didn't get the attention we wanted when we were little, so we get it. But, like, so I, I, I just, like, yeah, I want to, like, be. And I see it in myself, too. Like, a gay guy starts popping off, and, like, my, my gut reaction is to, like, be a hater. But, like, I think as older, you know, the older I get, the more I can, like, take a breath and be like, no, that's like, let them thrive. Like, it's good for. It's good for everyone to, To. To let them thrive.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so that's, That's a good one. I agree. Because I do meet a lot of people that are, like, mostly gay. I think I'm like, but you're gay.

[A]

I don't understand. I know. That's why it's hard. It's hard, but I think, I think it's just, like, being aware of it and, like, just, like, working through. Because you can't just like, magically be like, I support all gay people.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. But you kind of almost have to. Like, that's how I feel. Like, when I see, like, a woman getting a hate train, like, I have to really see if they really deserve it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even if they do deserve it, I'm like, okay, but how bad is it? Unless you just committed a crime or something, 100% no. You don't put me on the girl side, even if I shouldn't be, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I love that. What do you love about gay?

[A]

I like the.

The butts, the chests.

[B]

It's a blessing and a curse.

[A]

I like to be a man who likes a man. The physical. I can't get enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I really like the male form.

[B]

I know. Unfortunately, me too.

[A]

I know. I would love, love to be straight. By would be so fab. And I've been trying. I've been trying to try. I've been trying to try for, yeah. Quite some time.

[B]

Have you got on like hinged?

[A]

No, I'm like, it's more like I, you know, so I'll make out with girls, but in a gay way. But then one time I. I tried other stuff.

[B]

Yeah. How was.

[A]

Wasn't as scary as I thought it would be, but it was just like, oh, I'm not feeling anything inside.

[B]

What if they pegged you?

[A]

I could be down for that.

[B]

Yeah. Tried it.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

But maybe also it's like, you know, I would like. Yeah. I mean, who knows? Who knows? Who knows?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I'm gonna try to be bi. Yeah.

[A]

I mean it would be so fab.

[B]

I think Troye Sivan had said that too. He's like, I think I'm gonna try to start dating girls.

[A]

We all work it out. Yeah. But maybe I'm like, maybe that's a self hating gay thing too. You know what I mean?

[B]

No, it is, it is. Is like, God, I really have been trying everything. Like I. Maybe I need to just try something. Exactly.

[A]

It's also like for me, I'm like, I feel like I have made so many things happen in my life and I'm like, that's the one thing I can't do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, I've done.

[B]

I have as far as fall in love with someone or be by like, like girl.

[A]

I'm like, I'm like, I've literally like made the impossible happen for myself. And like, I can't. That's the one thing I can't do.

[B]

Creature. I don't. I don't know. Because I've literally done everybody in every, every form.

[A]

Would you consider yourself like true by true pan? True pan. True pan out.

[B]

Every Trapan.

[A]

You know tripanning.

[B]

Trapanning.

[A]

You would be obsessed. Moses, do you know trapanning? It's an ancient. It's an ancient technique where they drill a tiny hole in your skull and it's supposed to Give you, like, enlightenment for the rest of your life. Because, like, some, like, oxygen gets into a certain. And there's a real perceived procedure. Google it. Yeah.

[B]

Did you ever get it done?

[A]

Yeah, I got. I got Japan. No.

[B]

Well, it doesn't show a hole. You can get it.

[A]

No, I think it was like, real ancient, like, medieval. Like, it was like a drill in your skull. But people still think, like, the Illuminati does. Jerpanning.

[B]

Interesting. I never heard of that.

[A]

Yeah, but I don't think there. I don't think the Illuminati is real.

[B]

No.

[A]

No. I just feel like we would know.

[B]

Well, you would know, probably because you are. You are getting opportunities. You would seem like you'd be in the Illuminati, but. Yeah, it's not really.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like. I know, but I feel like I've met enough people to. Unless they're really keeping it secret.

[B]

It's a secret society.

[A]

Secret society.

[B]

Yeah. That could be. I did go through an enlightened phase. Did you ever find a spiritual awakening at any point?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You did?

[A]

I was a big ayahuasca queen. Yeah. Wow. Nine times throw up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big throw up.

[B]

Wow. So you have no negative energy. That's. That's what's about you. You don't have any. You truly don't have any negative energy. You're not a hater, you're not a gossiper, and you're not a hater.

[A]

I'm definitely a gossiper. 100.

[B]

You have given me no gossip, no tea. And I was with you for a very long time.

[A]

You just. You name someone and I'll tell you.

[B]

No, because I feel like we talked about so many people and there was never one. So here's the tea.

[A]

A pretty positive stage in my life right now. But I definitely. No, I go. I go through times where I. Where I definitely. Yeah, I'm only human, you know, and.

[B]

No, but. Okay, that's interesting.

[A]

I've done. I've done a lot of work on myself, but I still definitely have moments where I, you know, am a hater and negative and not great.

[B]

I don't get that vibe. But maybe ayahuasca a tenth time, maybe.

[A]

No, I got kicked out.

[B]

Oh, you're banned?

[A]

Yeah. Literally, it was like, do not come back.

[B]

What happened?

[A]

It just. Basically, the eighth time, it was like, don't come back. Like, we've. We've taught you what we're going to teach you.

[B]

I see.

[A]

And then I went back again. They're like, did you not hear us.

[B]

Like, but they let you do it again anyways.

[A]

But it's more just like. Like the spirit. It was the spirit realm. That's what I'm talking about. It wasn't like a person, like, the actual.

[B]

Like, the actual.

[A]

The spirit was like, girl, go the home. And it really was like, if you, like. She was like, I'm about to make this really messy for you if you come back.

[B]

Like, I'm about to you up graduation almost.

[A]

Yeah. And I feel like I cried so much because. Because for. I was like, oh, this is such a big part of my life. And I learned so much, much, and I'm not ever gonna do it again. I don't think I'm ever gonna do it again.

[B]

Okay, great. That means you're healed. I think.

[A]

I feel like there's. There's some stuff that. I feel like this movie was very healing for me. And there's, you know, life is a constant. You know, I wanna. I never want to stop growing, you know, I never want to be, like, completely healed. And you're always finding out new things about yourself. And I think, like, that's when you. That's when you, like, stop living, is when you stop growing.

[B]

I agree. And I do feel that way, too. I feel like when you're seeing your, like, movie, like, you know, was like, therapy, and, like, that's how I feel. Even the thing we did this week, like, I just. I have so much, like, fun doing that. Like, oh, this is. This is what I love doing.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

And it's like, it does kind of. There's something healing.

[A]

Yeah. Creativity. I mean, it's like. It's so powerful.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

I love it. I love it.

[B]

Okay, what are you doing today? You're doing something today. You're doing something.

[A]

After this, I have to go to an of. I have to go get some glam done and then.

[B]

Do you get glam?

[A]

I get. Yeah, I get. I get boy glam.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

For events.

[B]

I love it. Okay, so what are you getting?

[A]

I. It's like a very rugged look tonight for, like, a Ralph Lauren event. And I'm giving, like, model, not model. Just, like, going, yeah, Ralph Lauren's dressing you.

[B]

Yeah. So you have, like, a silence coming to your house and stuff.

[A]

I. We did this. The fitting yesterday, so I have the look, and so now I just have to go do my glam and then. But I want, like, a very, like, good look tonight.

[B]

So what does that mean? What will they do? Will they, like, kind Of.

[A]

I think it's more about hair for me, because, like, I want. I think I want the hair to be a little, like, PCR and, like, more pushed down, and then they'll just, like, do, like, do some light.

[B]

You have great hair. My daughter, Elvis, has very curly hair. I do not have curly hair like that growing up. So I'm, like, trying to figure out. I'm getting these, like, curly hair.

[A]

It's hard to manage. It's all about the products. All about the products. It really is about. It's about putting the right product and not touching it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Letting it dry on its own and then breaking it up.

[B]

Do you have, like, a comb, Like a separator, separate the curls?

[A]

No, but they. When they do glam, they'll do a diffuse. Like the diffuser. Yeah, but I still haven't, like, really figured out. I wish I could do my own. I want to learn how to do, like, just simple makeup.

[B]

Can I tell you, I, like, literally had a lesson with a makeup artist who's been doing makeup for, like, 12 years, and I'm like, it's all right. I'm not, like, artistic that way, so I'm just, like, not very.

[A]

I know. It just gets. It's so expensive, like, to pay for it every time.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I gotta say, like, my biggest budget.

[A]

Being in the public eye is so expensive. You pay for a stylus every time. You have to pay for the glam.

[B]

It's just, like, most celebrities, like, don't have money. People think they do, like, maybe comfortable, ish, but, like, yeah, even then.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's always my biggest expense. It's always been like. But it's. But I love it. I do love it. You do it. Are you taking a date plus one?

[A]

No.

[B]

So you go by yourself.

[A]

I'm just gonna go solo.

[B]

You showed up here by yourself, too, and I was very.

[A]

She's like, you didn't come with an entourage. I'm like, no, I. I am by myself. Myself all the time.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I'm, like, either out or by myself.

[B]

But your tick tock is literally like, you, Rachel Said, and Josh Hutcherson, like, just had a party, and I was.

[A]

Like, well, we have, like. We're like, I. I'll hang out with my friends, obviously, but, like, I am alone, so. I'm such a. I'm a cancer. I'm such a solitary person. I love being in my bed. I love being at home. I. I, like, don't. Like, I'm not someone who has friends over a Lot. I'm like, I'll go out for dinner. I'll go to a party.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

But then I'm like, I'm like a party boy too.

[B]

You are?

[A]

I'm.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so you like, go out and like, rage.

[A]

That's my what my movie is about.

[B]

Club kid.

[A]

Club kid. I'm a club kid. I'm at the club. I'm doing the. I'm doing it. You know.

[B]

Who was your favorite club kid from back in the day?

[A]

Debbie Mazar was the best. Was the best. Club kid.

[B]

Macaulay Hulkin as Michael Alec.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Party Monster is so. Well, it's funny because I, I, I didn't watch it in preparation for my movie because I didn't want to like steal anything. But there's like a whole, there's like a whole scene where get stuck in the, in a toilet with like a bunch of gay guys doing a soup, which is like when you take like every and like mash it all together.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then in Party Monster, I watched it after and Natasha Leon does a salad. So she does. They do the salad. I do the soup.

[B]

Parallel. Yeah. That is wild. That was a good movie.

[A]

Yeah. It's dark as.

[B]

It's dark I'm ever seeing at like 12 in Chicago.

[A]

It's like really? I rewatched. I was like, oh, if feedback feels so dark.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder why. I was like, depressed and like weird as a kid. I was like, those were the movies I was watching. I watched Pulp Fiction. I was like five. I was like, I love this movie.

[A]

Yeah, Like Donnie Darko really me up.

[B]

I never saw that one. Yeah.

[A]

I remember accidentally renting Requiem for a Dream when I was like 13.

[B]

Accidentally.

[A]

I was like, ooh, an eyeball on the, on the poster. And I watched it. It like ruined my life.

[B]

Those posters really got you back in the day. Blockbuster.

[A]

And then actually fun fact, fact, I. My house burned down that year. And so like when the house burned, like, things got moved and I guess we never returned the Requiem for a Dream dvd. And then my dad had like a night terror seizure and like woke up middle and didn't know who any of us were. And it was also, it was really traumatizing because he was like looking, he's are you? It was so scary. And then. And like that movie is kind of that vibe too. And then, then, and then. So I would like, see, the movie would pop up around my house. The DVD would pop up around my house and I would get so scared and so I would hide it on. We had this big, like, pile of socks in my parents room, and I put it at the bottom. And like, two days later, I would come back and it was, like, on top of the socks and it was haunting me. So I finally. I finally threw it out. A year later, like, to the day. A year later, I go to the video store, I rent what's the Amanda Binds movie in London in what a Girl Wants. What a Girl Wants. I rent what a Girl Wants. Go home, open up the dvd. Requiem for a Dream Inside.

[B]

Oh, my God, you should have burned it or something.

[A]

I know, I know, I know.

[B]

Demon.

[A]

Demon.

[B]

Well, at least you did. I wasp. So you threw up all the demon vibes.

[A]

Exactly, Exactly.

[B]

Do you ever see what a Girl Wants?

[A]

I should rewatch. I bet. I love Amanda.

[B]

Bless her dream guest.

[A]

Like, I mean, yeah, you guys would. I think you. That would be healing for. For the world. You should. Let's. Let's get that done.

[B]

If I draft a movie about my life, I want her to be in it as me.

[A]

I feel it.

[B]

We're like the same age. But, yeah, she could play again.

[A]

Yeah, she could play young you.

[B]

She's so talented, so wonderful. So are you. Oh, my God, this is so fun. If I do a movie about my life and you're in it, then Adam Sandler can play you.

[A]

Okay, perfect. It's Amanda Bynes as you, Adam Sandler as me. I love it.

[B]

Instead of us playing them in a movie.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they play us.

If anyone can make it happen, it's you.

[B]

Thank you. And I agree about it with you. I really do feel in my witchy era and our manifesting era, and you really, you really been there for me through so much. Like, it's kind of crazy to say, but even all the stuff happening lately, I was like, oh, you really.

[A]

You deserve all of it. It's. It's, like, so insane and inspiring to see. Like, you're just like, everything you've ever wanted is happening.

[B]

Thank you. And I love seeing you. Like, I mean, you. Like I said, you were already, like, blew up when I knew you. But, like, now watching you, it's like, everything. I'd be like, jordan's in this. Jordan's this English teacher. I was like. I was so gagged, and I've always DM'd. You'd be like, I can't believe you're in this.

[A]

You're so good.

[B]

And you're always very sweet. And you reply because you could be just so famous and be like, I don't.

[A]

You're the one.

[B]

Well, I love you. What TikTok are we gonna do? We have one planned.

[A]

I want to do. I want to do one from. From. Okay, you do one and I'll do one.

[B]

Okay, which one are we gonna say?

[A]

I want to do one from the show.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

So natural.

[B]

Jordan. Jordan, you are amazing. You are a star. You guys, everyone go watch I love la. There's two episodes left. Make it number one.

[A]

Make it number one.

[B]

Who knows?

[A]

Welcome to Derry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What we don't know that's a Mac show.

[B]

Yeah, go watch I Love LA. Season 2 Club Kid coming out next year. Possibly Oscar. Not me. Award winner right next to me, which is very exciting, you guys. All right, Jordan Firstman, everyone. Check him out everywhere.

[A]

Love you.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

This is so fun.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

Yay. Yay.