Trish (2:31)

And who was that unknown?

Moses (2:32)

Taylor. Oh, Taylor's gonna be so excited to meet Trish. The comments were so wild, but I'm so happy. I'm on this side of the Internet, I made it through, I weathered the storm. I'm on the other side, which is great. I'm. I'm very excited. So we'll see how that goes. Oh, Euphoria did send me a package. We should open that. Or maybe on Patreon we can open it. Euphoria, send me a package before I forget. And my other TBD project is coming in April, so it's not. It's not 2 BD for too much longer. And yeah, I have an exciting announcement coming today, which I'm really excited about and just, you know, great stuff happening.

Oscar (3:03)

The last headshot or it's done.

Moses (3:05)

It's done and over. Oh, I gotta calculate what we raised for the NJBC from those. These are done for a moment, but you're still. It's gonna become my secret society where I'm gonna do secret videos for that tier. Or you can just downgrade to a different tier if you want. But yeah. Yes, these are the final headshots for now because as we know, even with this one, it took me. I was a week late to them. It takes me a very long time to hand sign them. I love them, but truly these days, I do not have a minute to spare. Except eating somebody the other day was like, all you do is eat. Don't you spend time with your kids? I'm like, well, I'm gonna have to eat, you know, And I eat with them. They're next to me, so I do have time to eat.

Trish (3:40)

That is crazy.

Moses (3:43)

That's why I was like, just now. They're like, will you have time to eat?

Trish (3:45)

Are you there? For someone who's such a boots on the ground hater that they're mad at you for sustaining your life, like, that's kind of fierce.

Moses (3:52)

It's just the question mark, which I need to keep. Not shouting out that question mark, cuz. Again, the question mark. Thanks for the shout out also, I

Oscar (3:58)

mean, I feel really sad for them.

Moses (4:00)

The question mark.

Oscar (4:00)

No. Yeah. They don't have quality. Like they don't know what it means to have dinner with family, to sit down, parents, kids, together. Yeah, like, that's the most quality time you have and you want to make it last as long as possible.

Moses (4:12)

Right. But I guess their argument is that I'm filming it and I should be enjoying that with the kids.

Oscar (4:17)

No, I think they're just missing the whole point.

Moses (4:19)

Right. Period.

Oscar (4:20)

Sitting together. TikTok is a minute.

Moses (4:22)

Maybe I'm a working mom. I need to do it all. It is. It's about six minutes of. Of filming. And I don't do it all the time. Just, you know, they love it.

Oscar (4:29)

I mean, they light up the minute you turn the camera on. Malibu is just like, hello, everybody.

Moses (4:34)

We got to take her to ice cream after this because she was very. She was very clingy. She not wanted us to go to work day. And then I was like, no, she

Oscar (4:39)

wanted to go to work with us.

Moses (4:40)

She wanted to go to work.

Oscar (4:40)

Yeah, but I went to work. I'm like, enjoy your youth.

Moses (4:44)

Yeah, not working, not working. Anyways, that was a whole long thing. And the question mark's like, I'm not your only hater. There's still some left. I haven't seen any. I've literally just seen this question mark. So anyways, some people came for it. You don't have to come or hurt them. I don't know. It's a question mark. We don't know. I'm not doxing anyone and it's fine. But you know, you are my only hater. Just kidding. How are you? Should I do the. Should I wait? Should I tease the announcement? Should I just do it now?

Oscar (5:06)

Yeah, in a few minutes. Yeah, because we need to.

Moses (5:08)

A few minutes. A little interest.

Oscar (5:09)

Big. It's a big announcement.

Moses (5:11)

Yeah. You look very different. It's the glasses. First of all, this is why we finally sponsored Free.

Oscar (5:18)

Is it the one that they're in?

Moses (5:19)

Yes.

Trish (5:20)

No. Okay. No, not these ones. The gag is they sent me some. They weren't able to put my prescription in the ones that they sent me for free because my prescription is too bad. Like, the lenses were too thick for the frames, but they're like, do you still want them? And I'm like, well, yes. Maybe I'll figure it out somehow.

Moses (5:38)

What?

Trish (5:39)

And then I just went and got these ones. But these are my near sighted ones for like the computer. And my distance ones are taking a long time because those one. That's the prescription. That's really bad.

Moses (5:48)

Do you switch or you have bifocals?

Trish (5:50)

I'll switch. Like you switch glasses? Yeah. So these are my computer ones. So when she's doing journalism, she'll have these ones on. And then I have other ones for like driving and everyday life.

Moses (6:02)

That's crazy. They have like trifocals. They have like multiple lenses that you can look out of.

Trish (6:06)

My normal prescription, I can technically do both, but it's a very interesting stuff. I just. It's more of a strain on my eyes because they're. I don't know the way that they adjust. There's a very small part of the frame of the lens that's, like, for a computer or, like, nearsightedness. So I, like, look specifically from that part of the lens, like, down. But these ones, the whole lens is for, like, up close, so it's less of a strain on my eyes.

Moses (6:31)

I just don't see.

Trish (6:33)

Maybe that's the secret.

Moses (6:34)

I'm blurry as hell to everybody. Everyone's blurry as hell to me. I. You know, when I drive, I wear my glasses, but it just contacts glasses. All of it's annoying.

Trish (6:44)

I love glasses because I feel like they. I don't know. My head is big, so it distracts from, like, my big head.

Moses (6:50)

I was gonna wear glasses today, too, to look smart, but big head, too. I have a huge head. Oh, that is big. Do we ever measure circumference?

Trish (6:59)

It's got the biggest head. Everyone in the crew will measure everyone's.

Moses (7:03)

Well, I think it's mine for you look good. I like these new glasses. Oh, thank you. The tousled hair, it's a little wavy. And then this outfit, you are in full. You can't see the pants, but you're in full combat. Well, combat.

Oscar (7:15)

I don't know if that.

Moses (7:15)

Maybe not full.

Oscar (7:17)

It's almost like camouflage, but it's not really.

Moses (7:19)

Well, you have a Hamilton star on, so that's why I was thinking, like, combat in the Civil War, but that was wrong timing. But yes, has been. Star mama.

Trish (7:27)

The drive.

Moses (7:28)

I know. It is giving.

Trish (7:30)

That it is giving.

Moses (7:31)

You are giving. Like, 1950s. A soldier, I guess work, if I can say it. Okay.

Trish (7:36)

I don't know.

Moses (7:37)

Sorry to all the soldiers in the 1950s, but I didn't want to go.

Trish (7:40)

Shout out to the veterans out there.

Moses (7:42)

Well, they probably don't want to go. They were drafted.

Trish (7:44)

That's true. That's true.

Moses (7:45)

Which makes me sad. It's crazy. They're like, you just have to come right now. It's like, give people a chance.

Trish (7:52)

Tea.

Moses (7:53)

This is what Canada's for. Not to say you have to go there, but they're talking about the 1950s. I'm giving them tips.

Trish (8:01)

Okay. Work. And also, I guess if it happens again or something, you never know.

Moses (8:04)

No legal advice over here. What is the inspiration? You always have an inspo.

Trish (8:08)

The inspo is, I saw this shirt on in an Instagram ad, and then when I opened my drawer for pants, I said, those are brown and that my.

Moses (8:18)

These are new. No. Oh, the shirt is brown. The shirt is brown. The shirt is charcoal.

Trish (8:24)

This is the most interesting conversation. Well, I don't know. There wasn't much thought into it, to be honest. There really wasn't. I really wanted a big T shirt today, honestly, for some reason, I was just like, give me just a big tea. An oversized tea.

Moses (8:37)

Can't go wrong with that.

Trish (8:38)

I know. And I'm always jealous of like, you know, the teeny weeny girls who just wear the. The Taylor Frankie Paws of the world who just wear. Just oversized.

Moses (8:46)

Right?

Trish (8:47)

Yeah.

Moses (8:48)

Probably small on her. Although Moses did say last night, he's like, you guys always talk about weight. And I was like, I feel like we haven't talked about it in a while, but today we did. But I feel like we haven't in a while. Right. I feel like we haven't talked about weight.

Trish (8:57)

Think so either.

Moses (8:58)

Yeah, let us know. I was like, when they.

Oscar (9:00)

Let us know. I see the comments.

Moses (9:01)

All right, let us know. Because I don't. I feel like I've been on my good journey. I feel like I've been. I've lost like £9 in like six weeks. And I didn't even know, like, I thought I was just like not losing anything. I haven't really been dieting. And then I like, weighed myself. I was like, mom, I'm so skinny. And like, I don't think about it because I don't think about losing weight. That's why I'm like, I don't think we talk about it, except for right now because we talked about it last night, but you talked about that. But I never think about it. So I didn't think we were talking about it.

Trish (9:23)

But it's because your health and wellness vlog, I feel like you. It push you to. To make health and wellness content. So I think that's why you should have to frame everything in your mind as like, oh, I have to do

Moses (9:33)

this for a video content.

Trish (9:34)

Yes.

Moses (9:34)

Check it out. Health and wellness vlog is up now. People liked it. It has like 70, 000. I've been really pushing. It says YouTube. Has Shadow banned me. I really do. We know because you searched. I. I hate when people say that because it's like, no, your content is just boring. But like, I actually am Shadow Man. So YouTube, you sent me a jacket. Give me back in good graces. Give me one more shot. I will not mess it up. And I really just want. Because I love making the content. It's been so fun. But yeah, you're going to get a March vlog too. But that was just a little bonus. And you know, there's more to come. I'm doing pickleball now. I'm doing a lot, so just wait for part two of the health and wellness vlog. Check out Oscar Gracie's vlog, too. Yeah.

Trish (10:08)

You vlog today, actually. I know.

Moses (10:10)

What's the title?

Trish (10:12)

I think the working title as of right now is Flopcast after show plus sign. Buying a house is, like, really hard, you guys. Parentheses, vlog and parenthes.

Moses (10:22)

That's a good one. Thank you.

Trish (10:23)

Yes.

Moses (10:23)

You're on your real estate journey. Yes.

Trish (10:26)

Yes.

Moses (10:27)

I guess find out more on the vlog. We can talk about it here if you want. I don't know how deep you're going into it, but it's been so exciting. After each one, I'm like, oh, my God, let's see. Update. Like, house buying is so exciting.

Trish (10:35)

It is. It's very overwhelming. And, like, a really great way, though. Like, a way that was like, wow, I did not think this would ever happen. And it really is because of you and this program, genuinely. Because, damn, it is so hard. It is so hard for just the regular working girl. Because, yeah, with my regular working girl job, I couldn't get so well, even

Moses (10:54)

as a non regular working girl. This podcast also saved me, so I was also very much in debt. So thank you guys and I'm glad. I'm so. I'm so happy. It's so. It's so exciting. It's very cool. And yeah, I can't wait to see your vlog. Are you, like, vlogging, looking at houses and stuff? Because obviously. Yeah, we don't want to spoil it.

Trish (11:10)

Yeah, yeah. And also, I'm a little behind. I'm like, two weeks behind. So it was earlier in the pool process, but we have updates in there.

Moses (11:17)

Have you been filming the houses?

Trish (11:19)

A couple of them.

Moses (11:20)

I love when people do that. I, like, always wish we would have done that, but I always feel you film, I guess, a little bit. I always feel like, put it down, put it down. Don't do it. But like, people do it all the time. Tara's World did it, like, and I've

Trish (11:29)

only done it for the ones where it's like their show houses. And, like, no one lives there because I feel like if it's a family lives there and I'm sitting here, like, filming their closet. That's weird. But these are all, like, empty, like, show houses, like, flips. So there's been a couple where, like, it was actual family selling their home. But yeah.

Moses (11:47)

And what does that mean? There's, like, their stuff is in There.

Trish (11:49)

Yeah, Right.

Moses (11:50)

Because people would still be living there. Yeah, I never. Oh, I guess we never looked at houses like that. But I guess if we were to sell this. Yeah, I guess in order to buy a new house, you'd have to sell this house.

Trish (11:59)

And so the concept of that wild, like, with all the kids, like the kids playroom.

Moses (12:04)

That's what I'm saying. Like, they'll see my face everywhere.

Oscar (12:07)

Like, no, usually.

Moses (12:10)

But if we're living here, we're doing the podcast here. We couldn't get another house once we sold this house.

Oscar (12:14)

So how you would move into a. Like a transfer phase where, you know, like, all the. Everything is packed and goes into storage.

Moses (12:23)

Oh, he's saying he's looked at houses where the kids are living. Like, people are living there because they can't do that.

Oscar (12:27)

I'm saying for us.

Moses (12:28)

Okay, well, just like a regular person, like, yeah, your stuff would just be there and people just going through. I suppose.

Oscar (12:35)

Yeah, pretty rare.

Moses (12:36)

But yeah, we could still be here. I don't mind if people come through, be like, here, welcome to my house.

Trish (12:41)

If anything adds a little market value,

Oscar (12:46)

you become a fan meet and greet, you know, because people will just be interested in the house.

Moses (12:51)

Qualified. You can get people like, you know, pre approved, you know about this, whatever. I don't care if they want to come and do a meet and greet. It's fine, honestly. Because whoever buys this house when. When we're dead or whatever, like, is gonna have to be a fan because the Beetlejuice table can't move and the Prince of Egypt marble bed can't move because it's cemented into the house. And probably the couch because it took a crane to get the couch in. I don't know how the hell you're gonna get it out. So I think I would love if it was, like, if it's not gonna turn into like a Graceland, I would love if a fanbot, actually, because they probably, like, preserve it and love it. That's kind of cool. I would like, if Elvis's house were for sale, I would 100% buy it. Especially with, like, all his stuff in it. It's kind of cool, right?

Oscar (13:29)

Like a super fan, I guess.

Moses (13:31)

If we're dead, who cares?

Trish (13:33)

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the Breaking Bad house that, like, recently went for sale, I think. I want to say Aiden Ross.

Moses (13:39)

I think so too.

Trish (13:40)

And I think it was originally on the market for like a couple. I mean, like a couple hundred thousand ended up being sold to Aiden Ross for, like, I think over 2 million just because it was the Breaking Bad house. So I think if you just really capitalize that this is.

Moses (13:55)

Yeah.

Trish (13:56)

Where everything happened. That mama, you want to be a part of her street, Come on down.

Moses (14:00)

The pink wall is yours. You can, you can have this year. I actually love that. It's very Whitney with Shane Dawson's old house. You know, it's very like history. A little landmark.

Trish (14:11)

We got to reach out for a statement. Did Whitney know what she was getting into?

Moses (14:13)

I don't know. I don't know. I feel. Oh God, that was distracting. Sorry. That was from vierga. Go to patreon.com just trish if you want to see our. Me and Moses went to Viera last week while Oscar was busy handling his home. His home buying endeavors. Yes. But it was good. We went to Vallarta and had a blast. Had a whole church.

Oscar (14:32)

Food was incredible.

Moses (14:33)

Oh my God, it was so good. Well, if you bought a house out there, let us know how it went. It's hard. I never did until I met Moses. I definitely needed that. What do they call it? The dinks, the dual income. Oh, it's dual income. No kids. That's not us. But it was us. And yeah, it's not easy. They don't make it easy no matter what. But like you said, I mean if you're not an influence, I'm sure it's like 10 times harder because it's just like that.

Oscar (14:58)

It's pretty much impossible for most people.

Trish (15:00)

No, literally.

Moses (15:00)

Cuz even if you save money, right. It's like if you're not, if you're not showing like consistent like they're just, they're so picky. Even us who are making money like it still was like not enough. It's like you could show I was doing of and it's just like the consistent, this big income and they're like well it's new though. The income's new.

Trish (15:15)

Yes, I have the same problem. And because I showed my like salary and I've been saving like I've been living very cost efficiently for years and I have like a salary job and everything. So I thought it would be pretty easy. But damn. And like my salary is considered like above average. So my whole like woke soapbox was like, okay, if my technically have a above salary, above average salary at my like job, my full time job, then what about the people who are average or below average? And then I was like, the system

Moses (15:44)

is really another reason we need to run one day for Congress because it should be affordable. Housing for everyone. It used to be like that. Like first time buyers, like only 3% down. And so it's like it used to be that. And I don't know what the hell happened. When I was a first time buyer, I was like, no, not you actually. It's like, well, okay, but also you don't qualify for this. And also you can't do this. And it's just, it's California can be good if you have Trisha and Spencer. Well make affordable housing for everyone as it should. It's not, you know, what are they. I know what are the gatekeeping before you know what I mean? For everyone. We'll get there. We'll get there. Maybe not this year, next year, but in the next 10 years. It's the long term plan. Hopefully that's like the goal in life. How are you with the pink shirt over there?

Oscar (16:26)

I'm good. Yeah. I've got a new shirt and get a new cooking channel going. So.

Moses (16:33)

I didn't know about this. This was. Did we find this reveal after last time? When did you reveal this? You revealed this to us. I'm like, oh, you have a whole new cooking, right? Were you here?

Trish (16:39)

Yeah.

Oscar (16:41)

Wait, what? What do you mean?

Moses (16:42)

When did this happen? And you never told me the name. You never said anything.

Oscar (16:45)

Oh, it's just Moses cooking. Cooking videos. Cooking video.

Moses (16:48)

Is there something up there now?

Oscar (16:50)

It will be, yeah. The last one I made because I got that collaboration between basically pasta and tinfish carbon and fish white for sponsored TikTok.

Moses (16:59)

Everyone go see it.

Oscar (17:00)

Yeah, so I'll upload it over there just to get it going so people can subscribe and get the channel moving.

Moses (17:06)

Good. See, we always have something to promote. Oscar, your vlog, Moses. Now you got something to promote.

Oscar (17:10)

I'm cooking all the time, so you are.

Moses (17:12)

Everyone always says that. They're always like, you should just be filming this. I always say that too. Should be filming it.

Oscar (17:16)

So I will enjoy it.

Moses (17:19)

You will enjoy it or you're telling them to enjoy it?

Oscar (17:21)

I'm enjoying it, but subscribe.

Moses (17:23)

Yeah. The food you make. I keep sending you recipes. It's so good. Well, before we get into hot topics, we'll do my announcement. I'm so excited. Okay, guys, here it is. Over a hundred thousand words. No joke. Okay, you guys, the official my official Memoir as a published author is now available for pre orders. This is my memoir, Crying on the Kitchen Floor.

Trish (17:49)

Yes. I'm so excited.

Moses (17:52)

Oh my God. We gotta start our book club with this. Over a hundred thousand words. You guys. We actually cut down because it was like so much. The first two chapters, they actually cut down in half. Cause, like, it's just actually too much. But my memoir, Crying on the Asian Floor, is officially available now for pre order. Cover reveal will be happening in a couple of weeks. And the COVID is amazing. If I do say to myself, and we do a little book tour in November, so keep your first two weeks in November open. I'm coming to a town near you. This is crazy. Yes. It's my first publishing deal. I've done books where I self publish pamphlets. If you will mess. Writing a memoir at 23 under the influence is not recommended. Those are relics and those have nothing in them. This has all the juice that you wanted to. Honestly, like, at first I was like, oh, it's not gonna get tall because everyone knows everything. And then I was like, reading it back, I was like, oh, this is like a lot to share. So things I talked about, things I haven't talked about, things that I'm like, oh, God, I was so in the wrong. What was going through my head at the time? And also things that I still feel like I deserve some justice for. There's a lot. There's a lot in here to uncover. I hope it's a takeaway book too. I hope it's a takeaway book. A lesson of resilience. Resilience. Well, I was gonna say it's possible to change, but yeah, resilience, I guess, is the same thing. Resilience.

Trish (19:04)

Oh, we need to do a butterfly release to celebrate.

Moses (19:06)

Oh, my God. So smart. We should do it now. Can we get butterflies here in the next hour?

Trish (19:10)

That'd be everything that really does symbolize you, I think.

Moses (19:14)

Who do we call? Who was that guy?

Trish (19:16)

Jordan?

Moses (19:16)

Metamorphosis. Oh, that's Hiller. Death. Oh, Jordan. He's going to jail, right? Is that the one that's divorcing? Yes, allegedly. Yeah.

Trish (19:23)

Is divorcing allegedly jail?

Moses (19:25)

Did you hear that? Yeah. Was it his sister or her sister or something? Was like, oh, he's going to jail.

Trish (19:28)

Chase his s. But yes.

Moses (19:30)

Oh, different sister. She was excited. She was celebrating that jail. I was like, that's kind of crazy. But also work.

Oscar (19:35)

It's still a moment. But, you know, I've been invited to the villa.

Trish (19:40)

It's a big moment for Dad's home and a bigger moment for Moses. Yeah.

Moses (19:45)

Anyways, crying on the Kitchen Floor is my memoir. Go get it. Pre order.

Oscar (19:51)

It's gonna be great everywhere.

Moses (19:53)

We'll have a bunch of links. There's a couple Links. There's different outlets. The UK got a UK publishing deal, which is hard to get. They're kind of like. They're a little more, you know, picky over there. So got a UK one. I'm. I'm very excited. This has been literally two years in the making. We have been writing this and finding the right publisher, which was like right away. Actually the first one we had like so many calls and like the first one I was like, this is the one. Just an amazing.

Oscar (20:14)

All pretty much in the last two years. Every week for a few hours.

Moses (20:19)

Every week. Yeah, I've been working on it and sometimes twice a week when I was on tour, I was doing twice a week and I was working on it on tour, man. And we just finished the manuscript a couple weeks ago. So it's good. I'm very excited. It's going over to legal now. So we'll see what they let me keep in. I think they'll keep in most. It is kind of funny what they'll let you keep in. I guess if they're like public figures you can like keep in most. But I, I was, oh, I was very meticulous with this. Even going through the rereads because I was like, everything has to be perfect. I was looking at every single day. That's why for the past two years I've been kind of like nostalgic, I suppose. Why Shane? And everything's been writing up because it's just like in my head I had to watch videos I've never watched before. Some David Dobrik videos. I never watched those last two. I never watched those videos in their entirety. So I remember watching it and just being like, oh my. Like it just so much I've learned about myself in the past couple years. And I just had to make sure every like date was right. I just had to make sure this was like perfect. Cuz I know everyone's gonna just like dissect it in like the best way. But also I just didn't want any room for any error.

Oscar (21:12)

So she would sometimes like walk into the room like in tears of like this paragraph. I just can't like shoot. Get so emotional about emotional clown writing.

Moses (21:24)

I did write one. I know.

Trish (21:25)

Do you know why the Caged bird sings?

Moses (21:28)

Is that okay?

Trish (21:29)

Never.

Moses (21:31)

What is that?

Oscar (21:32)

My aunt. Something in Daddy Something Daddy or something

Moses (21:35)

can never be me. But I went up there with her. I think I was very. I was, I was.

Trish (21:41)

Yeah.

Moses (21:41)

Sometimes you write things and you're just like wow. And then you write it, you know, I Think everyone has a good story. I think everyone has a story and everyone could write their own. But I really do feel like mine is. It's a lot. 20 years. It's been 20 years since I wrote my last memoir, basically my self published one. So a lot happened in 20 years. And I'm very excited. Oscar has. Oscar has a pretty pivotal moment in the book that no one knows about. So I'm excited that it's out there. Yes, I'm very excited.

Trish (22:06)

I'm so excited.

Moses (22:07)

And you ended my ending too, which is great because the ending like wraps everything up and it's like this happy little time. So here's hoping we stay together for a very long time. Because I remember being like, wow, this is published. Like, this is great. He changed me. This. Everything's getting better.

Trish (22:19)

That's so sweet.

Moses (22:19)

Yeah, I'm very excited. So anyways, it's good. I think it's. I think it's good. I think it is like salacious, but I think I like honest. I think it's real. I feel like I did a lot of good self reflection. I feel like I'm that person who can really look at myself as like, what is it? Like self aware. Like, not really, like no victim here, you know, sometimes younger, when I was like a child maybe, but like in my adult social media, like, yeah, I really don't. I really tried hard not to victimize myself. So I was talking to so many other people too and just like getting feedback on everything and just good self reflection. Good self reflection. I'm very proud. So I don't think anyone needs to be scared of this book. But maybe. I don't know. It's all honest. It's all honest. I really try and just be like honest and take like, like some emotion out of it when it comes to it. But I'm very excited. Not even Moses, like. Yeah, he hasn't even read it yet. I don't know. And you know, you're not a reader, but

Oscar (23:10)

I'm waiting for the audiobook.

Trish (23:12)

There you go. I knew it.

Moses (23:13)

I am gonna record. I have to record two. I have to record one for the us, one for the UK, I guess. The uk.

Trish (23:16)

You need an accent.

Oscar (23:17)

Accent, yeah.

Moses (23:20)

Hello. Chapter one. It's taught Tonana Kitchen.

Oscar (23:23)

They don't understand American.

Moses (23:24)

That's so funny. I guess they censor more over there. They censor names. They're just more. Yeah, they're very, very strict with like liability and stuff. So anyways, that's that. I'm very. I'm very excited. I can't believe I get to announce it. It was so fun. So it's coming in November, but you can start the pre orders today, which you know you should do

Trish (23:48)

because it's already flying off the shelf. So if you don't get your pre orders in now and everyone who pre orders has the option to be entered into a giveaway now.

Moses (23:57)

Fake news, fake news.

Trish (23:58)

I love fake giveaways, which, by the

Moses (24:00)

way, you know you do, which is wild. You were one of the first to comment on Moses sponsored Tin Fish Pasta review on Instagram because you're excited about it.

Trish (24:08)

Obviously within the first five minutes I said, this looks delicious. I will be trying it. And then the comments are like, you don't even like food fish.

Moses (24:14)

So I'm like, we got some. We got some for you. That tuna pasta is coming right down. Actually, Amari and Devin liked it. Tana doesn't do fish, but they liked it.

Oscar (24:22)

They were filming what I was so oh, I love all the food. Everything was gone. Nothing was left.

Moses (24:27)

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Trish (25:30)

It's hard to pivot after that. That's so exciting. I cannot wait. The concept of seeing you in like a bookstore or wherever books are sold.

Oscar (25:39)

The airport yeah.

Trish (25:40)

That is so fierce.

Moses (25:41)

I know. I'll be so excited when I'm, like, at the airport. I want to go, like, what they do. And, like, they sign the books. You know, they go into, like, a store and sign. I think Daniel just did that with her cookbook. She's just, like, signing. Can you do that?

Trish (25:53)

I guess you get, like, taken out of the store for vandalism.

Moses (25:56)

I know. I was like, wait, can you just sign? What if someone's like, I don't want this signed book? You know what I mean? Like, I guess. Oh, I guess that's why they take videos so it looks like they're actually signing it. Because what if I just go in and do, like, you know, Stephen King's book and start signing it as him? I guess you'd take it as proof. But I. Yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait to do the audiobook. I haven't done it yet, but I'm excited because it really is, you know, really is my voice.

Trish (26:17)

And I'm very excited.

Moses (26:19)

Yay. And it's like, we only get one memoir too. It's like, I mean, maybe like, another 30 years, I could write another memoir, but it's kind of like the big one. And I'm, like, really excited. It's cool. Like, it's cool to be, like, published, too. I don't know. Like, I mean, of course I'll publishing do it. It's cool, but.

Trish (26:35)

Daz Luhrmann, Sofia Coppola, we're ready to get options. We got a manuscri tips. Let's get it going. Let's get the fil.

Moses (26:45)

Would love. I'll give Baz first first options. Yeah, you know, you did go with the Elvis.

Trish (26:50)

So, Margot Robbie at luckychat Productions. Let's talk.

Moses (26:54)

Let's go. I'm ready.

Trish (26:56)

My link tree has my contact info, and I'll be managing the deal.

Oscar (26:59)

Come on.

Moses (26:59)

Oh, my God. That would be so crazy. Maybe my photographer for my cover is the same photographer who did Jeanette McCurdy's book. So maybe there's some good dust in there. It's really good. I'm really. I really love my cover. I'm really excited. That'll come in a couple weeks. And, yeah, I was very excited. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast. Smart move. Being financially savvy. Smart move. Another smart move. Having State Farm help you create a competitive price when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling. Just another way to save with a personal price plan like a Good neighbor State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state.

Trish (27:45)

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Trish (28:33)

Yeah. T. Like this could really be an unknown actress's like star making role. So we really could go somewhere ways with that.

Moses (28:41)

Yeah. McKenna Grace.

Trish (28:42)

I. You beat me to it. I was thinking a little bit McKenna Grace, but she is kind of everything. So it's like.

Moses (28:47)

Right. She's already a star, but she. She was great. I watched the Zendaya Disney Channel show that she was on.

Trish (28:52)

Yeah.

Moses (28:53)

Did you ever see that little clip? The girl's a robot.

Trish (28:55)

Yeah. I just. I didn't even know she was in that.

Moses (28:57)

I didn't either. Where she slammed the door on her face.

Trish (28:59)

Yeah.

Moses (28:59)

And she. I know you're a robot, but. And I was like, mechanically. I didn't know that was her either. Someone's like, oh, she's been in everything. And I was like, oh, hired. She can play me 100. Yeah. There's so many. There's so many options. I actually don't know. We'll get to that. When we get to that. I guess let's have it come out first. Yeah. All right. What? And so what to do? When does Euphoria start? Is it starting soon?

Trish (29:25)

Soon. Wait, what is the release date?

Oscar (29:27)

We did get a game from. I mean, specifically a special gift for you from Robert Pattinson and Zendaya.

Moses (29:32)

Wow.

Oscar (29:34)

Maybe on Patreon we can play it.

Moses (29:37)

Is it one of the. It's gonna be like, what's the secret to ruin your Marriage. The one I already tried to play. Is it from the movie? Wow. They gave me a personal photo. That's so nice.

Trish (29:45)

That's major.

Moses (29:46)

What's the game?

Oscar (29:47)

It's a card game.

Moses (29:49)

And then there's like, what's one question on there?

Oscar (29:51)

What's the worst thing you've ever done?

Moses (29:53)

Really? Literally.

Oscar (29:55)

And then when you go deeper, what's a red flag you ignored when you first met them? Because I think some of them are about exes and some of them are. So there's low drama and high drama.

Trish (30:05)

We should play that with the cast of Mormon Wives. That would be cool.

Moses (30:08)

I think that's every episode over there, all red flags. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Everything popped off after our last episode.

Trish (30:16)

Taylor Frankie Paul really curses us because every time we talk about her, there's a new development. So I'm scared what's gonna come out on Tuesday at 10:30am that's the thing.

Moses (30:25)

It's, like, literally not Loveline 2. We film those, like, two weeks in advance and, like, having to, like, edit and change everything. And same thing with me. Last Monday, I was like, love, Taylor Stan. Like, what? And then it's like, oh, maybe. And then it's, oh, it's bad. And now everyone's, like, already flipping. But, like, wait till, like, Dakota's thing comes and it's like, what is happening? Like, there is, like, just always a

Trish (30:42)

new after plot, twist after plot.

Moses (30:44)

It really is. It kind of me sad. I mean, we're back in Hot Topics mode, so I'm, like, down to gossip about it, but it kind of made me sad over the weekend. I kind of, like, was like, this is, like, sad. This made me, like, depressed a little bit, like, because obviously, like, kids are involved, and it's just like. But, you know, I was deep diving. I was so deep diving. And it just is like, there's a lot of layers. There's a lot of layers.

Trish (31:03)

I know.

Moses (31:04)

I feel a little bit of an expert at, though. I feel like I watched every podcast Taylor Frankie Paul has done. Like, I. Because I am, like, a fan, and I think so many people are fans, and I think that's like, the. Like, that's like. It's just. So that's the problem. And the problem is, is also we don't see everything. We don't know everything. And it's like, things change so quickly and, like, what's out there? Because obviously everyone's like, why is this all being brought up from 23? But, like, no one saw the video, and we only went Off Taylor, Frankie, Paul. She was on, like, Avery's podcast, where she was just like, oh, it never hit the child. And all of a sudden it's like, hit the child. Then now it's like, okay, well, there's a whole new thing of information. Also, wasn't there, like, a new. Isn't there an open investigation currently? February, from February of this year. So everyone's like, okay, it happened years ago, which I would agree with. Right. Like, it's like, all you can do is, like, move forward. And she was, like, going through changing growth on the show. But I think there was, like, a new one with their son ever.

Trish (31:46)

Yeah.

Moses (31:46)

In the room. Allegedly.

Trish (31:47)

Yes.

Moses (31:48)

Yes. So I was like, I think we're all a lot of people. I think everyone's, like, confused because everyone's, like, missing plot points here and there.

Trish (31:55)

I know. You know, I keep seeing the comments, too. They're like, all over the place, because.

Moses (31:59)

All over. Yeah.

Trish (32:00)

The video that just came out is from 2023, but it all kind of stands because there was another event at the end of February that kind of was bad enough that the other girls in the cast of Secret Mormon Wives got together, had a zoom meeting with ABC and Hulu, and we're like, we don't want to film anymore, basically. So it was that bad. Michaela confirmed that, like, the girls got together and were, like, uncomfortable filming with Taylor because of what just happened. So it was that bad that they didn't want to film with them this year? Yes, a couple weeks ago.

Moses (32:32)

So, yeah, that's. I think that's why I think it's like, yeah, I think that's where we lose the video shot. We were, like, at the beach, and I had seen it right before. And then you were texting. Then it was like, this whole thing, and I was like, so. It was so shocking. We're at the Beast, by the way, with people who have no idea who take the frankfurt, which, like, explaining it to them.

Trish (32:48)

I tell you, I was telling someone about it, and someone thought it was my friend thought I was talking about Ruby Frankie, the abusive mom.

Moses (32:54)

People do get that abuse.

Trish (32:56)

And they're like, how could you even watch a show about Ruby Frankie and everything she did to the kids? And I was like, okay.

Moses (33:04)

Although Chad Frankie, her son is on Tick tock, and it's my favorite thing ever. He's giving story times of that period of his life. And he talked about how he. They had a Universal Studios brand deal and they got flown to Florida and they got, like, two hours in the park. Just like, to do whatever. But they had to film, like some pictures and videos in front of the thing. So they all had to like, jump or whatever. He's like, I was a kid, I just want to go, like, play the rides, whatever. But his mom was like. Like just one shot. But obviously it wasn't more than one shot. She kept wanting to do different shots and stuff like that. And they just like, weren't going on the ride. So every picture, like, they were supposed to be jumping, but he was just always, like, flicking off the camera and like videos he's in the background flicking off. So they couldn't use. Anyways, they get home, they send the content over to the editor for the brand deal. And the brand was basically like. It was for wet ones, he said. And so they were basically like, we can't make payment because all of it is just him flicking the camera off. And everyone's like, they actually should pay you. Because that actually saved them from having horrible pr.

Trish (33:50)

It's dissociated.

Moses (33:52)

Yeah. So I thought that was interesting and. And really funny. Honestly, good for him. Unless he got like. I don't. She abused him. I don't know. Maybe she got like. I don't know.

Trish (34:00)

Probably. I would assume something.

Moses (34:01)

I think so. Yes, he did talk a lot. A little about it. So anyways, side note, sidebar. From there. But Taylor, Frankie Paul is not Ruby Frank. We know that. But it is wild. I actually never seen the Internet, so. So split up and so divisive and also so hardcore. Like the people who are like, Taylor, Frankie Paul, defenders defending her. Dakota. Dakota and Taylor both on social media. Reposting, girl. Reposting. And someone. One of the ones I follow. I love him. I think his name told and actually I think I met him. Did you see it?

Trish (34:31)

Yeah.

Moses (34:31)

He's like. Taylor's like, what do you want me to do? Just, like sit and start a wall? He's like, yeah, yes. That's what you should be doing right now. It is. It is crazy. The reposts is wild.

Trish (34:40)

The comments. Yeah. It's like, girl, when you go. When you're getting canceled, you gotta just

Moses (34:44)

put the phone down.

Trish (34:45)

She went to the Brooks Schofield school of, like, handling cancellation because, like, girls, we gotta put our phones down.

Moses (34:51)

Yeah.

Trish (34:52)

We gotta delete the items. Yeah. It's bad for PR too, to be

Moses (34:56)

all of it chiming in. Yes. Yeah. It's better to just. It is crazy because on Wednesday we filmed the Thursday episode. So on Wednesday she had just done that Good Morning America. So everything Seemed like, on course.

Trish (35:07)

Oh, yeah. I literally said in the last episode we filmed. I was like, 95 first. I was like, I bet my life. I'm 95 sure the show, the Bachelorette, is still gonna come out. I went back and edited that out of the quickness because that was bad. I'm like, I can't say I would bet my life that the Bachelor is gonna air and then it's not airing. I was like, girl, let me get in there, edit it. Editing tool.

Moses (35:27)

Poop.

Trish (35:28)

And was it already out? I'm sure someone. I. About 20, 000 people already saw it before I cut it, but I love

Moses (35:34)

that you do that. I unsend, too. And I was like, I talking to Major Lydia, and I was like, the Dennis. It starts the same time as, like, my book tours. Like, I've given up on that because my book tour is happening. She goes, take that back. Because everything you say and whatever. And I was like, just kidding. I'm going. So I unsend. I'm like, unsend. I'm gonna be on dancing at this side, like, you know what I mean? Because it's just like. Anyways, that's interesting because I. I really

Trish (35:51)

did think it would at least air. And then when I saw. When the video came out and I saw it, I was like, oh, I don't know how they could possibly do it. I did.

Oscar (36:00)

Oh.

Trish (36:00)

I know someone who saw the first five episodes of the Bachelor Bachelorette, though. Yeah. Tea. It's somewhat. No. 1 for my work. Another influencer that covers reality TV, kind of. But basically his thoughts were, like, the first five episodes, it was really entertaining, and TFP provided the spectacle and stuff. And he said that it did come across that she was actually there for the right reasons, which I kind of gathered too. It seemed like she did want to go and, like, have a reset. So I don't. Yeah, I do kind of agree with that. But he said that the problem is the show focused so much on how much she loves her kids and how great of a mom she is. Like, they leaned in so heavy. So then when that video came out, that's in his opinion, like, it just goes so against what he saw on the show. So it's like, how could you possibly air this show that focuses so much and leans in on the motherhood and then have that video.

Moses (36:54)

That makes sense. That makes sense because they obviously knew about the domestic violence incident and stuff. It was the first episode of Mormon Wives, and she talks about it openly. Like, they obviously knew about it, obviously. They didn't see the video. And the way she describes it in podcast is very different than how the video. So that, I think, was the. I think that's the most jarring thing. I feel like that's the one thing. And I, Like, I didn't want to go on social media and add to the discourse because people were just so passionate either way. Like, if you defended it for Dale or if you're like, no, she wasn't the wrong. Like, they were so passion. I was, like, a little scared, so I'm like, let me just keep it for just Trish. But I think that was the big thing. I think that people were like. Because some people glaze over it. And I feel like it's the young people who don't have kids are just like, yeah, the kid was in there. It was bad. But what it did. And then, like, I think that's it. I think once there's, like, a kid involved and, like, it. She did get, like, hit. And, like, there's this, like, no denying it. Whether Dakota used her as a shield and knew it and whatever. Whatever. There's the child in the room, and as soon as she was like, mommy. Like, I don't. I think. I think everyone can agree, no matter the fit of rage that you're in or whatever, I feel like when your kid is there, you just know to end it. You just know to, like, okay, let's just remove the situation. I mean, we don't even, like, fight. I have a very big, like, personality disorder and stuff like that where I get, like, triggered whatever. And I just, like, the number one thing is, like, you don't do it in front of the kids. Like, you just, like, remove your. Remove yourself, or if you're gonna be a danger like that, you remove the kid if you think he's gonna be a danger or something like that. So, you know, I'm obviously not one to judge, but I feel like once there's, like, a child in the room of it. She said she thought he was up. He was upstairs. And.

Oscar (38:17)

Because I've seen videos that explain that before of this happened. He locked her in the garage. And. And you can imagine that if you're locked away from your kids, like, the kids are in the house, you're locked in the garage away from your kids. Yeah, and she was like. She was basically in mode of, like, fight or flight trauma, responding to everything and being intoxicated, being somewhat postpartum, because I think she went through a miscarriage. So, like, everything was working against her. I Think in general, I think it's a lose, lose situation. Like trying to defend anyone because there's no defense to anyone. This is a toxic relationship. But all I'm saying is like I can see how this is a blackout situation. She does not see anything in that moment. She. Somebody said she was trying to get him out of the house.

Moses (39:04)

Right. Because they weren't married, he didn't have kids with her.

Oscar (39:06)

She's trying to get him, he was abusing her. So I don't know if that's true, but if the case was that she's feeling in danger, she wants him out of the house, she's doing everything she can because he's just locked her in the garage away from the kids. So I know it just seems like one of those situations where you just don't see, you don't hear anything and you're just. I don't know.

Moses (39:26)

I think, I think I would agree with you 100%. Everything up into the point where the chair hits the daughter, it's like mommy. And you just appear at the end. And I think at that point you snap out of it. I mean I been in psychosis, I've been drug adduced things. And I think there is a point even before I had kids where you're like, oh my gosh, what did I just do? And it's like obviously like people said like the afterwards, like it just continued. She didn't stop, but it was like. I don't know. I just think when there's like a kid, it's like just nothing. There can be like no excuse for like violence in front of a child because it's also dramatic. Even fighting. My parents were like physically abusive. But just hearing them like yell, I mean in front of a child is like traumatic. It's traumatic. But then that on top of it and now it's everywhere. It's just like. Yeah, I don't know, I'm. I sympathize too, of course. Yeah. Like postpartum and then dealing with that and people are saying like reactive abuse, like all of that stuff, which is something I haven't dealt with.

Oscar (40:14)

But like of course she did was wrong. And what. That's what I'm saying. It's a lose, lose situation. There's no way to say something that is 100% yeah.

Moses (40:23)

But I think it's valid to have canceled the show because it is just an elevated thing. And there was another incident that happened.

Trish (40:30)

Yeah.

Moses (40:31)

A month ago with a allegedly their other child ever. So it's just like but it is sad. There's no, there's literally no, no good in this. Obviously. It's just awful. It's like awful. And you just feel for the kids and her. The father of that child, Tate, who was like, used to make tiktoks with Taylor, he's reposting stuff. Like a minute and a half of Taylor, like downplaying the incident, which, you know, she did too. And it's like again, being in those situations, I think it's just, I don't know, she didn't make light of it right. Is like to. She goes out, just note to self, like, don't throw things. And you know, that's it. It's not, you know, I guess it's like a good. I guess it's not good. It's like a lesson to be like, this is not like something people take lightly and it shouldn't be taken lightly. I don't know. Thank you so much to Ro for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. GLP1s are everywhere. We thought they were a trend, but I don't think so. I think they're really helping people get the lifestyle they've always dreamed of, you know, gain control of their lives and how they show up for other people. There's lots of benefits to using GLP1s aside from just weight loss. Although weight loss is a big plus if you ask me. Not only can patients lose weight, but they can also expect to have better lab numbers, more energy, new levels of confidence, and more benefits that go beyond the scale. There's a new pill that's more convenient and it's an approachable way to try a GLP1. If you've been thinking about it, a self administer shot can be intimidating. Yes, that's me. I'm like, oh, I don't know if I want to Shot for what? But now there's a pill that delivers comparable results. When starting your GLP1 weight loss journey on row, there is 100% online care, access to clinically proven FDA approved medications, free insurance check, side effect management, dosing support, and more. GLP ones are not just a passing fad. They're getting better every day. With new technology, RO offers the first FDA approved GLP1 pill for weight loss at the lowest cost around the new GLP1 pill has the same weight loss ingredient as a shot, impacts comparable results to the shot. It can help patients lose 14% of their body weight in a year on average. That's one daily pill for fewer cravings and feeling fuller with an innovative new formula clinically proven to maximize weight loss. The robotic membership includes access to FDA approved GLP1s, unlimited provider messaging, side effect management and more, all for just 45 on your first month and $145 a month thereafter. The ROW membership FE excludes the cost of GLP1 medication. In addition to the newly approved pill, RO also offers a full suite of the most effective brand name FDA approved GLP1s all at the lowest cost. RO offers the lowest cost GLP1s whether you're using insurance or paying cash. After your online visit. If you're eligible for treatment, you can expect to start your medication in less than a week if paying cash or about two weeks if using insurance. So go to RO co Trish to see if you're eligible for the new GLP1 on RO. That's RO CO Trish to get started on roll. Go to RO Safety for box warning and full safety information about GLP1 medications based on study and non diabetics with obesity or overweight plus a rate related condition with diet and exercise. Thank you so much to RO for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. Side It's a mess.

Trish (43:09)

I think too, like if all because you think that Taylor does deserve to be like held accountable and not have like the Bachelorette means, like, oh, you side with Dakota. Which I think that's where we're getting a little lost because I see that a lot too. Where it's like, okay, but he did this, this and this. But it's like, yeah, well, he's all. He sucks too.

Moses (43:26)

Like, he sucks too.

Trish (43:27)

I don't think, I don't think Dakota should be platformed at all. Like, especially mind you, a week ago I had no idea who any of these people were. And now I know everything about them.

Moses (43:36)

Everything too now too.

Trish (43:37)

It's crazy. My brain, I'm making a Mormon wise brain fog. It is kind of crazy.

Moses (43:42)

No, he's the worst.

Trish (43:43)

He's terrible.

Moses (43:44)

I think he's worse than anyone. Like Zach's like a toe whatever, but like he's an actor. He's awful. We've seen him be awful. He has that control. He's like, like I'm in another relationship but he keeps her in control. Like there. He's obviously, it's obviously they're very toxic. He is awful. And it's awful like they said too. Like he could have like left. You know what I mean? He didn't go out the door. And like there's all this isn't whatever on this one Taylor was in the wrong. Taylor threw something. It got physical at the child. Taylor's in the wrong period. Yes. There's so many other things that could have happened. They could have left, he could have left, whatever, but, like, that's it. And, yeah, he's also awful, but, you know, and then it's just toxic because then they chose to have, like, a kid together after all this. You know what I mean? And it's just like. I think when something like that happens, right, you either, like, work through and, like, it does, you know, things change or you move on. And obviously things didn't change because there was another incident that was just reported, and Dakota just got temporary custody of ever, which is, like, a really big deal, because I think in general, moms rarely lose custody of their kids. So for at least a couple weeks, there's no parental contact, which I think is the saddest part of all of it. I think that's so sad. The children kind of don't know, I feel. And so to not have, like, not be able to see their mom if they. I think it's awful. Or maybe it was just ever that he got so. It might just ever. But still, it's like, he's two. He needs his mom, and I think it's. It's all sad. It's all sad. It's all awful. I guess, if anything, like I said, it's just like, a lesson, the severity of, like, what happens and why. If anything happens like this with kids involved, take your kids, because you just never know which way it could go, who's filming what, for what, whatever reason. Maybe Dakota was being manipulative and filming. Who knows? But the fact is, now her child is taken away until April, and that's.

Oscar (45:16)

You know, I don't know if you saw. There was one video that did side by side of the Gabby Petito body cam and of the arrest and the arrest of Frankie. And it's one to one the same. Like, she's crying and apologetic and the guy's, like, calm, and he's not even in danger. Like, he's filming this. Very calm. But the end result was like, oh, you've been abused. Like, the police tells both guys you've just been a victim of an assault. And that it was very interesting because to see that and to see, like. Like I said, if he's okay, you're not. To Dakota, you're not the one that is blanking out right now, intoxicated, all that. You actually have your mind clear and you're calm. You're filming and you're calm and you're talking, narrating. Leave the situation or do the right thing so nobody gets hurt. Even if, like, he's not. He's. I think he has been manipulative in that moment.

Moses (46:16)

I think just aside from Dakota and obviously that Brian guy. But I think aside from them, I think, like, men can be victim, and I think sometimes you do record forever.

Oscar (46:23)

It can be. Yeah, but I'm saying. But here, the evidence that we see is that that's not the case. He didn't de. Escalate the situation. He was. He kept it going. She asked him to leave, and he kept. Mind you, he locked her in the garage a minute before. Like, that's not. Like, if somebody locks you away from your kids.

Moses (46:40)

I didn't see any of that. Who said that? I haven't seen any of that.

Oscar (46:44)

She said it to the body camera. She said to the police, and there's people that know her that said that.

Moses (46:49)

I just think also being, like, if you record something and you're calm, you're, like, not a victim. I think you can be calm and just record stuff for a fact. So I don't think that's, like.

Oscar (46:56)

I think that's why they weren't to the Gabby Patios situation.

Moses (46:59)

Yeah, I don't know about that.

Trish (47:00)

But my problem with it is just that, like, she. That, again, it was 2023, and I think if she did just have that, like, growth that character development since then, but instead, I mean, I still have to go back and watch 1, 2, and 3. But season 4 was great. Like, I literally was sick of the girl by the end of it. And this was even without even thinking of the Bachelorette stuff. But just to see someone make terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision at, like, 32, we have everyone. Your family, your sister, your mom, all

Moses (47:29)

your friends, every single dad who's been around. She kind of made it seem like, oh, I don't have a dad. This is why. But your stepdad's been with you.

Trish (47:34)

You have, like, beautiful kids who, like, love you. And, like, no one is, like, nothing they say can, like, encourage you to, like, just try to better yourself when you know what this, like, man has done to you or, like, made you do in 2023. It's like, how I know. And I know there's, like, a whole bunch of mental stuff in there, too, but, like, at some point, you got to be responsible and, yeah. Remove yourself from the situation. See, they get help, but instead, I think she just leans so Much into, like, I'm just messy and chaotic. Like, that's just me. I'm just a messy, chaotic girl. Like, yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to hate him, but then I'm going to hook up with them. Then I'm going to hate myself. Like, she just leans into that being her brand so much that like, she can't pull herself out and be like, oh, I'm actually making terrible decisions. I was going to affect my family forever. But I think she was like profiting off of the chaos so much that it kind of just enabled it.

Moses (48:25)

Yeah.

Trish (48:26)

You know, instead of like having the self awareness, like better yourself. Like, she's like, oh, everyone loves me because I'm messy and chaotic. And I'm gonna call out the girls who sleep with my ex baby and my ex and my baby daddy. Like, she just got like a pat on the back every time she was messy. And that's why at the end, the girls are like, you are throwing everything away. You have the opportunity, opportunity of a lifetime to be the bachelorette which all of us would die to have. Like, we love you, we're happy for you, but like, you don't even care enough about it. You're going to sleep with them again right before and you're going to miss your flight. Like, you're put now. You're putting the production in jeopardy too. These people are like waiting for you to come. Like, you have 30 guys who are excited to meet you and you're just throwing that all away.

Moses (49:07)

Oh, it gives me chills. It makes me so sad.

Trish (49:09)

I know. I was like, so frustrated with her. I'm like, girl, I'm kind of sick of the ants. Like, help me help you. Like, we're all rooting for you. Literally, I felt, yeah, very much. Tiffany, we're all rooting for you. Taylor, we're all rooting for you, girl.

Moses (49:21)

I know. That's why when I see these reposts of like obviously very passive aggressive things. Like even her statement was very. That her, I guess publisher something put out very, you know, up another attention seeking, desperate thing. It's like, yes, maybe. And we. And a lot of people see that obviously, like Moses and like half the Internet, like a lot of people are seeing that, the timing of it all and the desperation. Yes, we see that. But it's like taking no accountability. To be like, this was awful and I'm deeply embarrassed and like, I think that should have been like the start of it rather than like, you could have let the Internet judge Dakota which they did. And the people see that side. But the fact that her statement was that and then the reposts are just like passive aggressive.

Trish (49:58)

Just like, like girl, like, trust me, I. I'm seeing Dakota. Like he is also enemy of the state. Every man of dad talk, minus you, Connor, you sweet king, every chase, maybe I don't know every other man in that group. Like I see it for you are an enemy of this state over here.

Moses (50:13)

Yes.

Trish (50:14)

Trust me. So you don't need to convince me, no one needs to convince me that Dakota is a menace and diabolical and manipulative and he's planning. Every time you get an opportunity, he is there trying to make you self destruct. Trust me, I see it. But at some point when it's been so many years and you see just how bad it gets you and you have every opportunity. Like, she has so much privilege, she has access to so many resources. Like at some point you got to just like, we can't do all the work for you. Like you have to help yourself, help you.

Moses (50:45)

Yeah, that's what the frustrating part because like you said, she has all the resources and the privilege like that. Think about the people who like don't have that are in some situations. And it's just, it's frustrating and it's rushing for everyone because you share your life. Right? Like, I can't ask, like this is, this is what you want, right? This is. You're the influencer, you're the, you're on the reality shows. This is like what you do. And the thing is, so many people like you for like you said all this stuff that's happened and it's like we can only do so much because then it just gets exhausting. It's like, it's like a friend in real life who just keeps going back to like a toxic. At some point you just gotta like cut it off and just be like, I can't do this because this is like really sad to watch and dangerous.

Trish (51:17)

And even like her eyes too, the second he like does something to trigger her. Like, you see the snap in her eyes. Like in Mormon wives. Like her eyes, like in the way she goes off at everyone who like loves her and wants to like pull her out of it. Like, she snaps. So like, clearly she has like, like a rage issues. Truly.

Moses (51:35)

Yeah.

Trish (51:35)

And it's again, but when you see what your rage issues have like made you do at some point, it's like, how are we not. How are we not getting.

Moses (51:45)

Yes. It's really simple as like, and not simple, because it takes me. I do so much work on it, too, because I have anger issues, too. And it's like really recognizing, like, triggers and what to do to escalate your own triggers. Because someone could trigger you, right? There's so many people that trigger you. Maybe you're justifiably like the victim and people are being awful and poking you for a reason. But it's like, your responsibility to handle that and know how to de. Escalate that. And it's not easy. It's something you work on. I constantly work on. I feel like I have it all together, but I constantly work on it in everyday life. Like, little triggers. It could be a food trigger. It could be anything. And some people be like, oh, my gosh, you sound so crazy. But it's like just recognizing what it is. And for me, it's like removing yourself from a situation, right? If something is that, sometimes you just need to calm down. I feel like sometimes you just need. Like, you need an hour, you need a little space, go to sleep or something like that. Or no different triggers for different people. But there is help for it. Like, you're not just gonna be a messy girlfriend. This is just who I am. Like, it's like, no, it's not. Like, there may be a chemical imbalance

Oscar (52:36)

side of the worst scenario for somebody like her, because it's going from TikTok star to reality TV, where that's all you've been compensated for, and that's all they encourage her to do. So there's nobody. It's not like she's in a reality TV about improving her mental health. It's a reality TV about drama. So all I'm saying is, like, there's nobody around her. There's no situation where she'll get rewarded for being better.

Moses (53:00)

I think that's so wrong, too, because I think of, like, Whitney Levitt or me, right? Like, my whole thing was if I. If I was on the kitchen floor, literally, like, if I was, like, on the kitchen floor, I would make so much money, right? And I was like, no one's interested in me being happy. Like, I think breakup songs, when people write breakup songs, they want you to be miserable. No one's interested in when people are happy. But I think that's so wrong. And, like, this world we're living in now and the era that we're living in, I think people want people. I think, like, Whitney's a great example. Again, I haven't watched the first seasons either, so I don't know how Horrible. She was. But, I mean, just, like, she just started, like, taking care of herself and stuff like that and just, like, whatever. I think people want to see that arc. Connor, too, right? Connor, like, has admitted in past episodes, obviously, like, his addiction to corn and, like, you know, tinder and all stuff like that. Like. And people love him now because. Why? Because they, like, worked on it. Obviously. He got some help for it and stuff like that. And, yeah, it was, like, a thing to do. But, like, they're open about it, they're honest. And because they're doing better, people are, like, applauding it. Right. Like, a couple years ago, people were like, whitney sucks. Even on Dancing with the Stars, people were like, you hate the girl.

Trish (53:53)

Yeah, no idea.

Moses (53:55)

Me neither. Right. There was this whole campaign. We hate her. That's why she was 6 when she was, like, the best and the highest scores. But I think because she is doing so well and they're so supportive and stuff like that, I think people. I think people want to see it. I think people think they want to see mess, and some people do.

Trish (54:08)

And I think that's why everyone was excited when she was the Bachelorette, because.

Moses (54:11)

Yeah.

Trish (54:11)

Opportunity to get out of that toxic situation. Like, you can still be entertained. There's so many other parts of her personality that are entertaining and fun, that she's funny. Toxic. Yeah.

Moses (54:21)

Yeah, she's funny. She's cute. Like, there is. She has a personality. And aside from that, she has fans for just being her.

Trish (54:26)

Yeah.

Moses (54:27)

Like, literally just being a mom and seven.

Trish (54:29)

And, like, the other girls, too. Like, Whitney, Layla too. Like, at the end of season four, she go. Starts documenting her treatment for her ed.

Moses (54:36)

Yes. Yes.

Trish (54:38)

So the other girls and, like, Michaela with her health struggles, like, she's documenting that and trying to, like, recover from that. And also, like, all overcoming, like, her issues with, like, I guess she was, like, abused, sexually abused. And Macy too. Like, they were, like, abused and, like, overcoming that. So I think everyone is, like, seated for the journey and, like, wants that.

Moses (54:58)

Yeah.

Trish (54:58)

And that's kind of why it's, like, frustrating, especially her friends. Like, her friends are, like, so supportive and, like, really trying so hard. And they try to comfort her, and they try to not trigger her. They find out information. They're trying to, like, okay, they have strategy meetings. How are we gonna break this news to Taylor? Because, like, she got a leap for the Bachelorette in four days. And, like, if we say this to her, maybe she won't go. Like, they. They try so hard to, like, shield her from everything that is Happening in Utah. In Provo, Utah. And nothing good is happening there, you guys. Nothing good is happening, truly.

Moses (55:31)

I mean Donny Osmond lives there.

Trish (55:33)

Maybe he's the only thing. And the pickleball seems fun every now and then the pickleball tournament seems fun but like there's so much happening happening.

Moses (55:40)

Well, they're coming to. I heard now they're going to la, right? Everyone's moved to la. I think what's his name, Toe and Jen Affleck, they're here in la. I think Macy's in la. I think that was Whitney and Connor's plot. Like they were supposed to be moving to la now they moved to Chicago.

Trish (55:54)

Aspen Ovard, right, is supposed to be one of the new girls. That's what those people are saying that Aspen Ovard is supposed to be one of the new. I guess.

Moses (56:02)

Right. She had. She was married young. She's also a tiktoker lesbian now.

Trish (56:06)

Oh, I didn't know she was.

Moses (56:07)

I think so. I think she's dating and I think they were like in a throuple or something.

Trish (56:10)

I think.

Moses (56:11)

Am I thinking the right. I think, I think I'm the right aspect.

Trish (56:13)

Yeah.

Moses (56:13)

Move to the beach. Yes.

Trish (56:15)

Yeah.

Moses (56:15)

And it's so wild. You're just like, oh my God, just Mormon's gone wild. That's the new. That's the. That's the spin off. That's right. And I think Mormon wise specifically they love to see the arc because they were just regular people, right? Just like YouTubers or anything. When you see a regular person like achieve like dreams and stuff, it's like really inspiring. I think like love is blind and stuff. And like those. Maybe they're seated for messier. Maybe. I don't know.

Trish (56:34)

I don't really want to be a fiance. You're kind of there for like the self destruction but you do grow an attachment to them and you do kind of want the best for them.

Moses (56:42)

You don't want to see them be happy. Right. It's like yes, the Colton's of the world will always be just a mess and he should just lean into that because that's you, I guess. But like I think with Mormon wife specifically it is just like these like regular Mormon wives, you know, they were Mormon, not anymore and whatever. And they're achieving big things. And I always said I always think that's the most impressive things in 2020. Like no one knew who these people were. And then all of a sudden it's like they're the biggest. Like Whitney selling out Broadway every single Night. And then all of them, they're all getting opportunities, obviously, Taylor and all of them. But yeah, it's. It's wasted. It's waste. And it's like, how many chances does someone get right? It's like people will just get, like, sick of it. And there's always. People always want to see, like a comeback, a redemption. I think it could happen. And like, I feel like always you have to start with your kids. Like, do it for your, like, your kids. Because, like, this is all very public and it's all very sad, you know, and they'll see it one day if they're not seeing it now. And she had a good co parenting relationship with Tate, the father of her first two children. So the fact that he's reposting stuff

Trish (57:37)

and, you know, and Miranda and Layla are issuing statements like why they don't want to film with her too. I think that's other big things that her friends who stood by her through the first, like, in 2023, they stood by her through all that are now being like, look, we can't condone this. Like, we don't want to be a part of that. So I think that's big, too. We'll see what comes out of this, like, second investigation again. Dakota is definitely a menace and also, yes, held accountable. And obviously, I mean, in my opinion, it's pretty obvious he's working with, like, tmz and also Jordan, who was also. I could literally be at the gates of heaven if I pass away. And I'll be like, hold that, big guy. I have to go back and deal with something. I don't even care if God is trying to embrace me into his arms at the gates of heaven. I'm coming back down as spirit to haunt you, Jordan Nugget. I don't remember your last name, but Jordan, I don't haunt you. I did, but I can't even pronounce it. Yeah, because I know he also saw. Because the same. The day that TMZ report, she lose Taylor loses the Bachelorette, Jordan's like, hold on, hold on. I'm also filing for divorce from Jesse.

Moses (58:40)

Yes. Yes. This is the one who might go to jail. Allegedly.

Trish (58:44)

Yes.

Moses (58:44)

Yeah, sister. Oh, my gosh.

Trish (58:46)

And I'm like, like, okay. Like, literally, it's a butterfly release all over again. Yes. No, we can't have a moment to process TFP losing the Bachelorette. Yes.

Moses (58:56)

Oh, my.

Trish (58:56)

He has to be like, oh, hold on, tmz. I'm also filing for divorce. Like, shut up. Like, shut up, please.

Moses (59:02)

Wait he's the worst. I do not remember his face to save my life.

Trish (59:05)

I wish I had your brain because I. I hate that I know his face so well.

Moses (59:09)

Oh, my God. His wife is the hairdresser. Right? Okay. Jesse. Yes. Who's gorgeous. And she just said she hate her plastic surgery. It's like they're all realist, which I love. I love the women. The men are diabolical. Dakota. Yes. To echo that sentiment. Dakota is triggering af. I want everyone to know like he is triggering. But again, it's like a her responsibility get away from it. He's awful. So that should be a. I hope like he never gets a girlfriend again. To quote more from traders is like, he's awful. Like, he's awful and he's in his sober journey and during sobriety, like, it's all about, like, spirituality and just like being open to everything. The fact that he's like this in his sobriety. Allegedly. I guess someone had said that Taylor didn't want to leave. This is. I don't know if I should say this one. I don't know. It was like this whole thing is that they might be using drugs together is what they suspected. And that maybe coming going away for that long would be like the withdrawals. That was like just a rumor I heard online. Like, whatever. But it may make sense or may give like reasoning behind maybe this kind of behavior in front of the kids if they were on some sort of substance besides just drinking. Because I think like alcohol. I mean, I've been drunk. I've been blackout. I think you could have. You have some aware. Obviously if you're like roofied or something. You don't. But like, you're not like throwing chairs. I think it's like you have some awareness as opposed to like maybe taking a substance might be more make you more erratic. Maybe more blackout. Again, not an excuse, but it would make sense. And maybe that's why she didn't want to leave for so long. Dakota's awful. Oh, what's his name?

Trish (60:35)

Jordan.

Moses (60:36)

Jordan. That is wild. It's like, I don't want him to. Maybe he did it. Are they friends? Maybe he did it to take away some of the like on purpose to be like, let me. Let me put something else in there.

Trish (60:46)

Timing is crazy. It's like, oh, it just. It reminds me so much of the butterfly was like, damn. Here's Michaela trying to release the butterflies for Lottie June and the two other beautiful babies. And you had to take away the spotlight from Lottie June and the Babies. Michaela's baby. I just. I remember seeing the little. The little sign that they made at the Sippan Sea. They made the little name cards with the baby's names. And I saw Lottie June. I was like, that's a cute name. I actually really love that.

Moses (61:14)

I do like Lottie June. That's really cute. I like that.

Trish (61:17)

And then of course, like, someone else is like taking all the attention and he has to throw his.

Moses (61:21)

His hat in the ring probably because he's allegedly going to jail, according to Jason's sister. Maybe he's like, I got to get this out before I go.

Trish (61:27)

Yeah. Because I guess the tea is this is all kind of a lesson. This is all very legit, actually. Jesse had been wanting to file for divorce and he was aware that she was gonna do it, which in the show we see her going through the prenup and having the discussions like as the five year curse because her last marriage also ended at five years and she. They are celebrating the five year anniversary. And I was like, and your last, Jordan. So they were already kind of hinting that it was going that way. But I guess like off camera, Jesse was talking to him about wanting a divorce. There was allegedly a rollout plan that she was gonna go and call her daddy, like air everything out for the divorce. About it. Yeah, like the. The post divorce press conference. And okay, I guess the reporting is that Jordan kind of wanted to get ahead of it and filed first, like beat her to the actual filing and then went to tmz allegedly probably. And he did give a statement to tmz. So in that case actually is pretty clear. He did go to them. And in there's like a clause in this new filing or whatever, and then that she can't go on podcasts and talk about him. And then the rumors on TikTok is that because he's been spending money on things allegedly such as escorts and other like gambling stuff and stuff like that, I don't actually think he will be going to prison. I think he issued a statement to another tiktoker who reached out to him and was like, I have no idea what these prison allegations are, but the concept of it, pretty big. I like the concept of him being behind bars and away from me. So jail.

Moses (63:05)

Well, you know, not to critique Mormonism too much, but it does seem like they restrict them a little too much and then they go a little wild. If it's like gambling, it's kind of giving that alcohol escort. You know what I mean? Yeah. They go, it's Literally they go, yeah, right, right.

Oscar (63:20)

You learn from the Amish people, you

Moses (63:22)

know, go off the grid.

Oscar (63:24)

Yeah. No, at 18, they give them an opportunity. Go live your life. If you like it, Stay out. If you don't, come back to the community.

Moses (63:32)

Like, so I wouldn't mind being Amish, to be honest. Like, that is kind of nice. You're kind of just like, not on social media and just no electricity and you're just like bacon pies. It sounds kind of fun, I suppose. Like, it sounds simple in the best way where it's like, there's probably no drop. You think there's Amish drama.

Trish (63:47)

Oh, I'm sure.

Moses (63:48)

Really?

Oscar (63:49)

Because that's all they have. Have.

Moses (63:50)

Wow.

Oscar (63:50)

That's all you have is a human.

Moses (63:52)

It's like Bridgerton. Like, the lady was announced.

Trish (63:54)

Just like Bridgerton.

Moses (63:55)

Yes. There's nothing to do.

Oscar (63:57)

American Bridget.

Moses (63:58)

Yeah. Just a little gossip. Oh, my God. We. We would thrive in that era. And in the Amish world. We've had lots of guys. Where do you get the gossip if you can't get it from?

Trish (64:07)

Tick tock. You are the gossip, mama. Like, yeah.

Moses (64:10)

People just make up their own things.

Trish (64:11)

Yeah. And there'd be someone. I would be like a Lady Whistledown. Yeah. Because you are. I can't keep it to myself. I love, like, who did you see

Moses (64:19)

who came out of the barn with them?

Trish (64:20)

Like, I love it.

Moses (64:21)

Yeah. Damn. I think I pick being Amish over

Trish (64:24)

being Mormon from this. Yeah, I think so. Because it's all kind of been a recipe for disaster, I think. Right. There's looking at them. The only ones still married, I guess, are. Is it Zach and Jen? I guess a Macy and Jacob, too.

Moses (64:37)

Yeah.

Trish (64:37)

That's it. Right.

Moses (64:38)

And winning. Connor.

Trish (64:39)

Oh, yeah. Whitney about. In my head, she's already left, I guess.

Moses (64:42)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trish (64:43)

She's been gone.

Moses (64:43)

She's like, I'm going back for Dancing with the Stars. And that's it. I'm going. Which is everyone now is like, now it makes sense because everyone, like, judged her for that. Like, oh, you only came back for the stars. Like, yeah.

Trish (64:51)

Why?

Moses (64:52)

Yeah. Messy.

Trish (64:53)

And I love Whitney now again. It's crazy.

Moses (64:56)

I know. Me too.

Trish (64:57)

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Moses (66:11)

It's. I haven't even started it. I thought with most, maybe you should watch it to like get where, like obviously you get what we're talking about, like, get it. But then I'm like, yeah.

Trish (66:18)

Because once you see these girls in action, it really, it, it changes. The perspective is crazy. And also the, the men are crazy.

Moses (66:24)

The men are crazy. Like, that's. To me, it's like, yeah. And Zach too, posting during all of this, I commented, I said, nobody cares. Nobody cares about this. What did he. God, what did he post? He's posting.

Trish (66:36)

Yeah, he made fun of Connor in a recent TikTok.

Moses (66:39)

I saw that with the magic.

Trish (66:40)

He said, I'm gonna get into magic, you guys, and picking up a hobby for myself. And then he flicked off the camera. I'm like, okay, okay, pack it up.

Oscar (66:48)

Honestly, watching the two of you, I. I don't want to let them ruin my peace in life.

Trish (66:53)

That is, I applaud you for that. Hashtag, protect your peace. And I, if I could go back again to a week ago and tell myself one thing, I probably would say, that's your job.

Moses (67:06)

You gotta be. We gotta be plugged in for this.

Trish (67:08)

Okay, that's true. It's a sacrifice. It is my cross to carry. But damn, damn, I have been upset. Like I literally would watch it like before bed and it would take me hours to calm down because I was so mad. Yeah, I was so mad.

Moses (67:22)

Even on TikTok, I still keep saying, I mean, I don't, I cannot see this anymore. Like, obviously, like, yeah, when there's updates, like, I'm sure there will be an update. Like you said, Tomorrow at 10:30am there's going to be like an update. And you're like, okay, it's been changes. And there could be videos of Dakota locking in the car. And then all of a sudden, you change it. You're just like, what? You know, there's so much that just changes and stuff all the time. But just based what we see now, it's just. But, you know, there's still people, like, because. Is the Bachelorette leaking clips? Someone said that they were, like, leaking clips to test the water because there was like a one. Like, was it a. Where were they? A baseball game? I don't know. There were somewhere. She was with somebody.

Oscar (67:53)

Definitely the highest demand ever for a show.

Trish (67:56)

Yeah.

Oscar (67:56)

Now to see the Bachelorette, I think it will go, like, on the dark web or something. Like, people want to watch it.

Trish (68:01)

Yachty.

Oscar (68:02)

They want to see.

Moses (68:03)

Yeah. I think they did the right thing when there's, like, a child involved. Right. I feel like, because the child was hit, it was like, okay, so. Because that wasn't. That's new. I think that's like the new thing that no one knew. And obviously this open investigation that's happening right now, maybe. But if it was heavily focused on her being a mom, obviously that's where people are going to be. Like, yeah, I think it's right. I think, like you said, people would watch. We'd be all seated. I think it's like the right.

Oscar (68:22)

Not just her, too. The men, like, people are already analyzing all the men that are on the show.

Moses (68:27)

Someone else got arrested. One of the guys that got arrested on there. Yeah.

Oscar (68:30)

And we can. We can add Patreon because it's music. So basically, the Bachelorette winner, Doug, is an R and B singer, and we can.

Trish (68:39)

Oh, I know Doug.

Oscar (68:40)

We can review songs on Patreon.

Moses (68:42)

Yeah, he's a Patreon singer.

Oscar (68:45)

No, he's a singer, but you just can't play music here.

Moses (68:47)

I thought he was, like, selling his songs on Patreon. I'm like, love that. Yeah. They're all. They all have aspirations, I think Harry Jazzy, once again bringing light into these situations is he said when he did. What's his first show? I forgot Too hot to handle that. His first one. He said he moved from Australia to LA before it even aired. With, like, no money or anything. Because he's, like, just, like, hoping the show would be successful and, like, banking on the opportunities you'd get. And I think that's why everyone does reality shows. I don't think, like, there's. I don't think someone goes on reality TV solely for love. I think, like, if you can find it, great. I feel like that's very us. Right? Like, if you can find it great. But I don't think anyone does it solely for that purpose. I think they all want a little, A little fame, a little bump in their business. Whatever it is. I think they all want a little bit of that. So that does suck. That now none of them get that because they do have to take time off work. They get like no payment, this whole, this whole thing. So I, I think in that sense people feel bad for the guys, but I never really feel bad for guys in general.

Trish (69:44)

But yeah, and there are allegedly. The rumors are that they are being optioned now for Bachelor in Paradise. So. Keep those dreams alive, boys.

Moses (69:52)

The people we haven't seen. Yeah, nobody cares. Sorry, but like, we don't care. We haven't seen you. But I like that this Doug, this winner, obviously he's like, this is my target name.

Trish (70:02)

Is. Is toned bone awful. And I literally, the second you hear him saying us like tfp, like you are never gonna escape the grips of like a corny white man. I fear, I fear there's music videos.

Oscar (70:15)

It's.

Trish (70:15)

It's rough.

Moses (70:16)

It's like Patreon, let's play it. I need to hear like, that's embarrassing.

Trish (70:20)

The second I saw him sing and then also like the dancing and stuff, I was like, this is all making sense. And he's been issuing out statements in support of Taylor and stuff. And Taylor replied that she's grateful for his support and blah, blah, blah. I mean, but it's like she chose you and went.

Moses (70:36)

Still went back to Dakota. Like, what are you doing? Like, let's, let's just stay silent on this one. I don't know. Like, it's kind of wild. The whole thing is wild.

Trish (70:44)

It's a mess. It really. And like literally there's just. It's been so much unfurling and like, if you're not watching Mormon wise right now, take it from me, you got. If you're strong enough because it is really annoying and you will be annoyed if you're not watching it. But if you love mess and if you can, if you have mess mental capacity to take it on, watch it. Because it's really changed my life. But like everything's been happening to everyone all at once. Like we have everything with Taylor, okay? So that's one thing. And then again everything with Jesse now with her marriage, like, what's gonna happen after that? I do feel bad because like as the season, like when she was doing all these little activities to get Taylor ready and like practice for the Bachelorette, like the speed dating and stuff. That woman's eyes had a likeness in her that I never saw with her husband. Like, you could tell she wishes. Liz Taylor, like, and having that opportunity to go on the Bachelorette and just like experience that, like, you know how badly she wanted that. And Jesse, let's keep the hope alive. Maybe you'll be the bachelorette. Although there was rumors that like, double. Yeah, there was a rumor that came out of nowhere, but that Miranda and Layla could be the double bachelorette because they have done the two bachelorettes before and I love those queens.

Moses (71:53)

Was Gabby a double bachelorette? Gabby Wendy.

Trish (71:55)

Yeah. Was it her? And there was one before that. It was Caitlin Bristow, I believe.

Moses (71:58)

Okay.

Trish (71:59)

Another bachelorette. It was her, I believe. Her and another brunette. Two brunettes were bachelorettes together at one point, too.

Oscar (72:05)

Have you seen the connection of Nick Vile to the Bachelorette?

Moses (72:10)

He is. He takes responsibility for like a true. Hate this word. I don't use it lightly. Narcissist. One person was responsible for Taylor, Frankie Paul. Just one.

Trish (72:21)

Well, it's. It's happened. Taylor, Frankie Paul is your next bachelor. You are welcome, Bachelor Nation.

Moses (72:28)

You're welcome, abc. Your haters are trying to say that you have an inside source and that's the only reason that you got it right.

Trish (72:35)

What do you mean? It was literally my idea. Three months ago. I, I gave him the idea. I am the source.

Moses (72:42)

Do you all see his comments?

Trish (72:45)

They had the idea on their own. And then someone called me up just to be like, just so you know, three months ago, by the way, Nick

Moses (72:52)

was like, this will save the franchise. If you guys want to do it,

Trish (72:56)

you should killed it. Little bit about this world, I don't

Moses (72:59)

know, producing, creating, you know, it's going to be great.

Trish (73:03)

It's going to be fantastic.

Moses (73:05)

I'm glad the people who make these decisions finally made a good one.

Trish (73:09)

Made a good one.

Moses (73:10)

Yeah.

Trish (73:10)

Hopefully don't it up.

Moses (73:12)

Always on the wrong side. Something. I, I just have so much bias against him. I hate to comment on this because I just hate him. Just really do. And I, I can't be unbiased. So maybe give your unbiased, biased thoughts on that. I don't know.

Trish (73:24)

I am fully biased. What a diabolical man. And honestly, that's what you got. If they really listen to him and they took some advice from him, that's what you.

Moses (73:31)

That's what you got.

Trish (73:32)

If you take your advice from someone who sucks, that's what's going to happen. You're going to. It's going to explode in Your face.

Moses (73:37)

So, you know, I'm happy that Nick Vale has Successful podcasts obviously need to provide for your family and I feel like they should just stay in that lane. I love it for them, honestly. If you have a vile fan and go to the biophiles, like, love it. They seem like they're doing well, whatever. I think everybody else needs to stop listening to them. I think if ABC took the Bachelorette advice. Sorry, Netflix, but Age of Attraction is getting more diabolical. Did you see this week where the 60 year old man with the 23 year old was like, oh, I'm cool with your celibacy. But like then chastiser for what she would do versus he's like, but if we're doing everything else, then you're not actually celibate. Like, he was being so awful. He said he was okay with it, but then wasn't. And then she's like, okay, so we're like, good. And we're just like, go our separate ways. Like it was so insane, the manipulation he was doing because she said she was celibate. But like let him do other things. But then he was like judging her for that. That the show is awful. I don't know how. So I'm like, honestly, they should pull this. I love how like the Bachelorette gets canceled, right? But this is also diabolical manipulator. All the, like a borderline abusive in my opinion, with these like older men and these younger girls, like judging them on national TV for this stuff. Like, it looks so bad. It looks so bad. And I, you know, I just, you know, I don't want to like point the blame, but once again, if Nick bio, like created the show, it's like, just stay in your podcast world. We have fans. You know what I mean? Very much, you know, like ours too. I'll stay in this little lane. We have our fans, whatever. That's where you need to do. Because the fact that he promo, he said he gave ABC the idea and they listened to him, allegedly, I guess. And then the Age of Attraction, it's like three strikes, you're out. And I think we've had three, four, five strikes. You know, the interview with the, you know, the. It's. I think it's. I think five strikes are out, six strikes. I think we're done. Your fans can still like you, which is, that's the beauty of the Internet and the podcast. Like you can have a podcast in your own fan base. And if you just stay in that corner, everything is great. And you can make Money. I think when you start to venture out, it's like, be open to judgment. When I saw the interview with them and, like, the blue wall behind them, just so uncomfortable. Oh, the press junket just so crazy. Him just being, like, blaming her for the relationship. She pursued me. I don't know. I didn't want it. I'm like, ah. She was 19. Like, you're weird. You're weird and I don't like you. And that. Yeah, watching that, I just, like, I just in every way.

Oscar (75:36)

Arrogance of it all.

Moses (75:37)

Yeah, the arrogance.

Trish (75:39)

Yeah. He's just a menace. Too many of these men are mental. Mrs. Zach. I cannot stand you, Jordan. I cannot stand you, Jordan. I cannot stand you, Zach. Mason, I don't know what he did, but I know you saw Layla's tick tock about, like, when she was talking about her ex boyfriend. So, Mason, I know you did something also.

Moses (75:58)

He was just always, like, trying to tell her how to parent. Like, your kid shouldn't be manipulating you.

Trish (76:03)

Meanwhile, not a father.

Moses (76:05)

Like, don't know you've been dating a year. Like, if anyone ever tried to say my kids were manipulating me, I'd be out. Ow. And like, thankfully, she left as, like, musty, but, like, ow. Like, and then she was like, no hard feelings. And then like a TikTok letter, she actually. Hard feelings, actually. He's the worst.

Trish (76:18)

Yeah. I remember when you told me the story. I didn't know who she was, but now that I know her, it's like, layla, Queen, I got your back. I will see you to the ends of the earth.

Moses (76:25)

Yes. New boobs and all. You look great. You do not need musty.

Trish (76:28)

She got signed to a modeling agency. Her dream came true.

Moses (76:31)

Yes.

Trish (76:31)

Layla, you are Queen Michaela. Love you too, girl. You did do me a little dirty because literally, Whitney came to the stem cell to a stem cell treatment for our illness, but then kind of just stood there as Jen was trying to eat Whitney up. And I was like, ladies, we gotta get serious. It's the Get Serious challenge. Mom talk. Like, let's mom talk. Let us get involved in the Get Serious challenge. It's the new challenge where you try to be serious. Because we're kind of letting Jen, like, run amok and trigger Whitney and make her look all kinds of crazy. And like, we got. Look, Miranda, shout out to you, Miranda, because Miranda did. Yes, actually, Jen, that's true. Whitney had your back, so shout out for sticking it to her. But Jen was running amok, and the girls let her do it.

Moses (77:16)

And that's her to Say, this is what I said. Nobody cares. This past weekend, he was trying to still bring up the drama of him going to meet up with Whitney. He's like, oh. He's like, two truths and a lie. And he's like, oh, production had you go meet. Did you see all that? Production go. Had you go me and, like, you. Not that you wanted to, whatever. Like, just all this. Like, no, nobody cares anymore. You were awful. You've been awful. You were the worst. First. You were mean to her for no reason. Like, you're. You're awful. And your wife's a little awful, too. I have. I hope. I'm. I'm hoping she has redemption like Jen. I feel like there's a little redemption. I think your husband just needs to, like, stay silent. You can stay married to him, but we just don't want to see him.

Trish (77:47)

Yeah, because he. The problem is Zach has been doubling. Tripling down on being a mess. He's like, yeah, this is who I am. I'm gonna be this way. This is my wife. Whitney's a narcissist. Like, he keeps going on and on and on. First of all, I. It's very coincidental that everything that makes you look bad you can blame on production, but everything that we liked Jen for is her being herself. So which one is it? Is it production making look good? Because that's what he said. Every time someone brings up something nice Whitney did that was production making her do it. Really? So you could say the same thing for you.

Moses (78:18)

Yes.

Trish (78:19)

So again, shout out to Miranda, because Miranda has also chimed in on this discourse and said production has never made them do something that they didn't want to do. Shout out, Miranda. Shout out. She's keeping everyone at 100.

Moses (78:29)

I think she has the book deal. I think she's the first one that has a book deal. From what I heard through the grapevine. I think she does. I think Miranda's the first one because I think she's the one who's One of her first fathers of her children died in an accident.

Trish (78:38)

No, that's Macy.

Moses (78:40)

Okay. That one, I think, has a book. Yes, Miranda is.

Trish (78:43)

Miranda is the one who was with Chase. Her friend is Shania. Shania is the one that hooked up with Dakota.

Moses (78:49)

Yes, girl. I mean, these women, it's a mess.

Trish (78:54)

And, yeah, Zach has just been going on and on and on, trying to drag everyone else through the mud.

Moses (78:58)

Zach is the worst.

Trish (78:59)

Is the world.

Moses (79:00)

You're not supposed to pr. I think he thinks he's given Spencer Pratt in the Hills villain And it's like, you're not. You're not. You're not even close.

Trish (79:05)

There's nothing corny.

Moses (79:06)

It's corny and just like half and like meek and it's just like, okay, if you're gonna be a villain, be a villain. But like, you're doing it to women and just like a bully look weird and.

Trish (79:13)

Yeah, so weird.

Moses (79:15)

And that supportive husband. You're not even supportive to her on camera. It's like, whatever. But at least to have your wife's back if you're gonna be like this tough, macho guy, whatever. But the fact that you're, like, threatened by everything she does is giving me.

Trish (79:25)

I think he was trying to stir the pot to get Jen to not want to be in la. That's my theory. Because. Because the concept of him being stuck in LA with, like, her working and being on Dancing with the Stars or other shows she wants to do music and stuff. I think he was really riling her up and getting her to not be into that lifestyle because he wanted to go back to Utah and he wanted to be. Be back with dad talk. So he didn't want to be stuck with the kids while she was out living her dream. So I think he was ruffling her feathers and really getting things going to make her spiral a little bit so she would want to go back to Utah and give up the. The LA dream. That is my thesis, but I think they're here.

Moses (79:59)

I think they're at the beach. I think they.

Trish (80:01)

I know, I saw that too. But she's still making music and all that, so we'll see.

Moses (80:05)

Does she make.

Trish (80:05)

She's just been teasing, though. She's in the studio. Girl, I want to see it too.

Moses (80:09)

What kind of music you think she makes?

Trish (80:11)

That's what I'm wondering. Like, are you gonna be a pop girl or what exactly are you gonna give? I don't know, but it's rough because you gotta win everyone back. But the thing is, they stood 10 toes down and, like, this is what. Who we are. And I don't care if it's not popular to be against Whitney, I'm standing on business, blah, blah, blah. Now you have to deal with the repercussions of that and everyone's disliking you. I didn't even go after I watched the finale. I'm like, am I crazy? Like, do people, like, are they rooting for. And I had to go to the comments on their TikToks Instagram and everyone's saying the same thing, which Was very validating.

Moses (80:43)

So, yes. Thank God.

Trish (80:46)

What? I cannot stand you, Zach. Jen, I'm still rooting for your beautiful girl. Like, I look at her face and I gorgeous skin. So pretty. I love, like, her talking voice. Like, she's so.

Moses (80:58)

Yeah, I am rooting for you.

Trish (81:00)

You got to leave the man. He is bringing you down. He looks like an evil Pixar character. He looks like the evil villain in a Pixar movie. He is, like, diabolical. He's nasty. He is. I think the root of your insecurities comes from him. Why you're mad at Whitney is because your man is whispering diabolical things.

Moses (81:16)

Yes. I think that's the reality, right? Is she's just obviously jealous. Not even like, of Whitney's opportunities. It's like the fact that she can get those opportunities because she has a supportive husband. Because they both have three kids. Little kids at that. If you don't have.

Trish (81:26)

And her dream was Dancing with the Stars. No one else could have the dream. Whitney, you knew. You knew her dream is Dancing with the Stars and you dared be on the show. As if Whitney's not the reason you got eliminated. If anything, maybe be mad at Andy. Andy's the one who could barely do a little one, two step. He was the one that was really in your way. Like, he was sabotaging you. You shouldn't be him. Like, Whitney was getting better scores than you. Like, why are you mad at Whitney and not like, Andy, who was actually bad, but the fandies were out there making sure he got.

Moses (81:56)

Or your husband who's like, wow, you're dancing with yawn in front of the castle at Disneyland. It's like, yeah, because that's our promotion. That's what we need to do. You dumb. Like, that makes me so mad. He was sabotaging or the fact that he was mad about that.

Trish (82:06)

That's crazy.

Moses (82:07)

And there's a clip of Yan, I think, on a TikTok live, and she says something like one of the. I don't know what she says. Like, a rough day or whatever. Or like something about Disneyland. And he's like, no, not that. Like, he was, like, triggered by it. You know what I mean? Like, something like being. It was awful and it was probably be going to. Because her crazy husband was just, like, jealous of, like, just weird. He sabotages her. From what we've seen on the show, he's sabotaging you, girl. I hope not. If you work together, great. But just keep him off our feeds and our screens. We do not want to see him take away his TikTok. Take away. I wish I worked at TikTok, where I could just take away freedom of speech.

Trish (82:40)

Except for dad talk.

Moses (82:42)

Yeah.

Trish (82:42)

And Nick Valk.

Moses (82:43)

You didn't have muzzle. Nick. Val can have freedom of speech on his podcast, but don't go anywhere else and disrupt all these women and these poor young men.

Trish (82:50)

Women and women's business.

Moses (82:51)

Yes. The age of attraction. Okay? It just screams perv to me. If you did a show called Age of Attraction, where all the old men and young men, they all want young girls. These old women are, like, fighting for their lives here. It's just, like. It's awful. It's. It's. It's giving, perv. It's giving. Disgusting.

Trish (83:07)

It's raw. But, Whitney, girl, you are a sister to me. She's a client. She's a client of mine now.

Moses (83:13)

Officially, she's been a client of mine.

Trish (83:16)

You've been speaking the truth.

Moses (83:17)

I've been loving. I'm with you. Like, a year ago, I was like, I remember right before she dancing as tar is like, we had a booker, and it's like, oh, would you like Whitney? And I didn't know much about her. And then, like, it was too late by the time, like, I want Whitney. And then it's like, she's a mega superstar, so it's amazing to see where she's, you know, all come from. People made a very good point, too, how much they canceled Whitney for her RSV NICU dance. Did you remember that? Like, people came so hard for her. Not, like, one defense of her. The fact that she, like, took her child to the hospital because, you know, like, there's so many, like, good things that she did, but. But they, like, criticize her so much for that. And then, like, Taylor, Frankie, Paul literally has a video of her throwing.

Oscar (83:54)

That's all I knew her for.

Moses (83:55)

Huh?

Oscar (83:56)

That's all I knew her for. Like, that dance.

Trish (83:58)

Me too. That's all I knew.

Moses (83:59)

And people and me, I'm jump on that bedroom's like, oh, my God, this is so cringey. But it's like.

Trish (84:04)

But also, she's one that. She can have had that, like, whole character arc, though, like, where she was, you know, kind of a menace. Yeah. Like, she did that also. The other girls didn't like her, and then she had a little, like, trying to prove herself as a friend to them, and she did. And now we see her be sweet to everyone and show up for everyone, even, like, jeopardizing her own mental health to go fly back and Forth Utah and L. A to kind of show up for all the other girls. And we see that, and that's why we like her.

Moses (84:27)

That's why we love her. And very, very that. It's like. But keep the same energy. If you're canceling for something a little insignificant, whatever. You know what I mean?

Trish (84:36)

In poor taste.

Moses (84:38)

Yeah. I mean, she's had a baby. You're not really thinking clearly, whatever. So. Yes, but. But Taylor, Frankie Paul has, like, this video of her, like, where a chair she threw hit her child. And it's like people are like, well, you know, I don't know. People just don't keep the same energy. But we do love a character arc. And even Taylor, Frankie Paul, like you said, it's like never. It's never too late. And I think with her, you can only be given so many chances, especially with the same person. With Dakota, like, if this incident happened again, it's like everyone needs help in this situation. Like, it's like you can't. There is. It's weird because you can get restraining words and stuff, but there's nothing you can actually do to keep people apart from each other. Like, there's nothing, like. You know what I mean? And it's just like. It's just like, so frustrating.

Trish (85:14)

You gotta just remove yourself from.

Moses (85:16)

Yeah, I just. I don't. I don't get it. And she has lots of suitors. We've seen it on the show. There's that cute guy from Tick tock and all these people. There's. There's no shortage of men for her.

Trish (85:26)

Yeah. She just pop on a Tick Tock live, see a white boy singing. She's like, come. Come to Provo, Utah. Come skate with me. Like, girl, shout out, Ben, he seems sweet, but Jesus, Ben is the.

Moses (85:37)

The.

Trish (85:37)

That one. The Tick Tock live got it in the show.

Moses (85:40)

Oh. Oh, right.

Trish (85:41)

Yeah. Doug is the winner.

Moses (85:43)

Doug is the winner.

Trish (85:44)

It's hard to keep all these.

Moses (85:46)

Tomigo. What's his singing name?

Trish (85:47)

Tone Bone.

Moses (85:48)

Tone Bone or something like that. I really hate all men, except for the men here.

Trish (85:54)

Ben and Tone Bone do look similar.

Moses (85:57)

She has a type, like you said.

Trish (85:58)

Courtney does very much have a type.

Moses (86:00)

Maybe she's date Benson Boone. That's her type.

Trish (86:03)

That might be. Yeah.

Moses (86:04)

What's he doing? He's not doing much right now.

Trish (86:06)

I think he was just on tour. But yeah, he's

Moses (86:12)

like, love that he's there. I didn't get invited. That's. That's one brand I like to work. I grilled cheese this morning. And it was good. Yeah. All right, well, we had an hour and a half of mor. So. Sorry. This whole episode.

Trish (86:23)

Apologies to anyone who's not into it, but my God, I had a lot to get off my chest today. That was rough.

Moses (86:28)

Maybe Jojo Siwa should be the new Bachelorette. Oh, I wasn't supposed to mention her.

Trish (86:32)

I wanted it to be Michaela so bad. You guys, I literally like Michaela Aguera, the beauty guru. Oh, actually, double bachelor, double Michaela. Both spelled the same.

Moses (86:45)

Yeah.

Trish (86:47)

Speaking of, really quick before I get into that, but Michaela from Mormon Wives did the. Her. Well, she did a tik tok where she used Michaela Niguera's like, I'm getting a divorce with the T. With the

Moses (86:58)

Taco Bell fries she's eating.

Trish (87:00)

Yeah. And then Jace walks behind her.

Moses (87:02)

Oh, no.

Trish (87:02)

Oh, that came out, I think yesterday.

Moses (87:05)

Who's Jace?

Trish (87:06)

Her estranged husband.

Moses (87:10)

Yeah, not the one she's divorcing. She's divorcing Jordan.

Trish (87:13)

No, that's Jesse. Michaela's the one. She's 25. She's the one who's. Who's has a sickness. And she gave birth to my June.

Moses (87:21)

Okay.

Trish (87:22)

And yeah, Jace is her husband with the curly hair. Oh, yes, the quiet one with the curly hair.

Moses (87:26)

They're getting divorced. So it's just.

Trish (87:27)

There's strain. A separation rated estranged right now.

Moses (87:30)

So, like, just kidding. Look at it. He's behind me.

Trish (87:32)

But she used his Michaela from Lauren. Wives used that getting a divorce down.

Moses (87:36)

But is she getting divorced?

Trish (87:37)

People that are people were like, is this, like, a clue that you're getting divorced?

Moses (87:41)

Bad manifestation out there. Don't you know what I mean?

Trish (87:44)

Like, but also, that's why I don't know if I like juice or not. Because he also did a tick tock where it was like, with his kids to, like, a sound where, like, the kids were, like, slapping him. And the text was like, like Mormon wise fans having to watch dad talk this season. And he was, like, taped and, like, on a chair or whatever, and the kids were, like, slapping him. I thought it was funny. It made me feel.

Moses (88:05)

But nothing he does is funny. But I also don't know who he is. I can't remember his face either. That's not the one who released the butterflies.

Trish (88:12)

No, that's Jordan.

Moses (88:13)

Jesus, Jason. So many Js.

Trish (88:14)

And I know he also doesn't have much of a personality. He's pretty quiet. But he's the one that, like, they're having intimacy issues because. Because he, like, wants to have sex. But she is unable to. Michaela. Oh yeah. Oh. Because they have.

Moses (88:27)

Cuz she has a health problem.

Trish (88:29)

She has health problems. And then also she is like like overcoming the trauma from like when she was younger and stuff too. So it's like. Yeah, the two. The double thing.

Moses (88:38)

I think that one it's like men, you need to like suck it up while they work through it. You know what I mean?

Trish (88:42)

Like you can go at least to his benefit.

Moses (88:44)

He is.

Trish (88:45)

Yeah. Michaela's the one that said that maybe they should separate because while she kind of figures it out.

Oscar (88:49)

So.

Trish (88:51)

But the guy is. I think she was 16 and he was.

Moses (88:54)

Yes, yes.

Trish (88:55)

Right. What was he 20 or something when they got 21?

Moses (88:57)

I want to say yeah, like 21 at least.

Trish (88:59)

So that's why I'm like I don't know how to feel about Jay's. But from what I saw this season he was okay.

Moses (89:03)

Okay.

Trish (89:04)

But I don't know.

Moses (89:05)

I forgot who that is. But I don't know. Wish them well.

Oscar (89:08)

I'm gonna print out the map.

Moses (89:12)

Jimmy made one.

Oscar (89:13)

He made like.

Moses (89:14)

Was it like Jace Kirk? He did the one.

Oscar (89:16)

I'll make one here so we. I can point to you.

Moses (89:18)

Can you send me the high res Jimmy? I'll put it on a mixed tile

Trish (89:21)

but right behind cuz I was. Jimmy doesn't watch so. But he's been researching. I will give him that. But when I was like okay. I'm like usually I give him links to footage or photos, whatever. But this time I was like I need to label this all like in the drive so he knows. So I was like yes. Charlie Kirk one. The gay one.

Moses (89:37)

Did you do it?

Trish (89:38)

Yeah, I labeled it for him.

Moses (89:39)

So funny. That was good.

Trish (89:41)

So he could know based on like how we bring them up. So I have to. I have to put like Zack toe it is.

Moses (89:47)

I. I watch and I really just. Just don't know any of them except for doing it. Why? Because Dakota is the worst and he. I will stand by that. Dakota is the worst.

Trish (89:54)

Being the best.

Moses (89:55)

Yes, Connor, the best. Easily. Dakota, you suck and nobody wants to see you on the next season. So take note of that woman wise. If they do come back, we can, you know, not.

Trish (90:04)

We kind of need a fresh start. I fear I think we're gonna have to take the girls who want to move to LA spin off, put Aspen in there and then give us something because it's like I don't know how we can deal. How can we. How is mom talking to recover from this? I don't know. But it's been a mess. But anyway, all that to say Michaela Nagara. I was mad because I really was thinking, like, maybe she can be the bachelorette. But now she's confirmed who her new boyfriend is and everything real. So, yeah, she's. Do you remember that tick tock she did last year where she's like, I went back and I. I saw a friend from high school and it made me realize that, like, I don't want to be. To live the influence of life anymore. Oh, no.

Oscar (90:40)

First of all, that was a crazy

Moses (90:41)

accent that you went into. That was like newsies from the 1920s.

Oscar (90:45)

That friend was a guy. Was it a man?

Trish (90:46)

We didn't know at the time, but this was the guy she's seeing now. And also because people have investigated.

Moses (90:53)

I did see the twins with the

Trish (90:54)

twins shout out to whoever was bored enough to go investigate Michaela Nogueira's story time.

Moses (91:00)

We should shout those people out. That scares me. Like, what are you doing, you hilarious. Psycho is. No, I think it's a little psychotic because he's like, that's crazy.

Trish (91:09)

But it's hilarious to me. She has a lot of clues as a passerby. Yeah. And she's. I mean, she's the one that did the story time. Story time when I was dating wood squid and he pissed me off, so I dated his other twin.

Moses (91:22)

You know the lore.

Trish (91:23)

So that is kind of funny to me. Anyway, she did confirm she's dating one of the twins, her old high school sweetheart. And she said that she's not going to divulge too much information. I feel like we know all.

Moses (91:37)

We know everything about this person.

Trish (91:39)

She's like, I'm gonna keep it pretty private. But you guys are right.

Moses (91:43)

I have such a sassa for her. I'm like, girl, you share whatever you want to share, but you could say you're private.

Trish (91:48)

It's so wild to me. But then I was like, damn, I really could have seen her as a bachelor. I would have. Like, honestly, me being the Nick Vile telling abc.

Moses (91:59)

Well, you have it on record here. If she gets casted, she's in LA this week for the Hannah Montana premiere. I saw a get ready with me. Everyone is kind of gagged. It is tonight. They had a Montana premiere. I did get an invite. I cannot go tonight. I did get an invite. It's big. It's. I guess I can say it's already passed. At the Grommens Theater.

Trish (92:15)

I was like, okay, that's huge. Yeah, it's just.

Moses (92:17)

But it's Just like a reunion special. It's not even like a movie or TV or anything.

Trish (92:20)

I know. She's performing three songs. She is releasing a new song. I believe it's Hannah Montana, maybe. I believe it's like a new Hannah Montana song. Like a single that she's releasing.

Moses (92:30)

So she's gonna do a reboot. What is this all just a.

Trish (92:33)

A retrospect, if you will, just pay homage. She did. She re recorded Best of Both Worlds. A lot. Like Taylor's version. We got Best of Both Worlds, Miley's version, I assume. And it's like just a little bit of a retrospective. Going back to the set and stuff. And she's in full. Hannah. Hannah wardrobe. I kind of live for it. I forgot how much I live for.

Moses (92:57)

Yeah, they did when I text you a while ago. They didn't invite us to the set, but it was like the same day.

Trish (93:02)

Yeah.

Moses (93:03)

And it was to go see this that Miley wasn't gonna be there or anything like that. And I was like, I wanted to go because Tana went and I wanted. And she brought some friends that like, Tana Montana are like one of her really close friends. Like, that. I would have gone just like, had brought you, but it was like the day of. And I was like, oh, I don't know if I can do it. But everyone is, like, very emotional about this. I'm so not in the Hannah Montana world, but like, Michaela. I want to say Brianna, chicken fry. I don't know, maybe it wasn't Brianna, but I feel like there's so many funny Tana. Like, they're like, emotional about this. Like, I know Tana's coming back tonight to, like, go to the premiere. Like, people are really, like, crying over this. Like, what? What's the big deal? But like, like, tell me. I don't know. I'm not trying to be like, what's the big deal? I want to know why.

Trish (93:40)

I think it's just like kind of paying respects to the character in the show because it did like, raise so many people and it was such like a pivotal part of like so many kids childhood.

Moses (93:50)

But what was it about the show? Was there something.

Trish (93:52)

I think it's like the concept of it being like the show about a girl trying to juggle, like both things. But the music, because the music was like, it was good kid music. Like, it was the. It Pop bangers for sure. But also like, the lyrics were very much like, who said you can't be anything you want to be? Like, this is the life. Like, Be grateful for what you have. Like, love your family. Cherish these moments as you. What's the love?

Moses (94:16)

Your family song. What's that one? How's it go? I'm ready.

Trish (94:19)

Butterfly, fly away Spread your wings Cuz you can't stay make you take those dreams and make them all come true. Basically it was like her having to, you know, fly away. Yeah. From kids, leave, you know, fly from the nest is kind of that. That vibe.

Moses (94:39)

Do you see the interview? She was young. She was like, maybe. I don't know when it probably first started. She looked really young in it where she's interviewing her dad. You haven't seen it. And he's like, what's the best part about doing this show? And he's like, getting to it with my daughter. She's like, what's the worst part of doing the show? He's like, getting to do it with my daughter. Is it something, like, weird? It was very weird. She, like, looks at the camera, just, like, scared. He's a little off, huh? Billy Ray?

Trish (94:59)

A little bit, yeah. I'm surprised she filmed with him for the special.

Moses (95:03)

She did.

Trish (95:04)

Yeah. Because they kind of had a strange relationship a little bit. But he did come back to film a little something on the special.

Moses (95:10)

Are you happy about that?

Trish (95:13)

As a fan, I never really care for Billy Ray. Like, I remember it was a big deal when the show was announced because, like, like, my mom was a Billy Ray Cyrus fan, so it kind of like helped. I was like, mom, look like this new Disney show and he's in it, you know, him, and she liked him. So like, we'd watch it together because of that.

Moses (95:29)

That's cool.

Trish (95:30)

So it kind of was like a generational gap, I guess. So that element is cool. But I never really cared about the mullet song or anything of that song. I want my Mullet Back. That. He always made references to that song in his mullet.

Moses (95:42)

He had one. He had one shot. He kept going. I do like when people have that one song and they're going to just remember, yeah, I will sing the song for the rest of my life.

Trish (95:50)

That's something.

Moses (95:51)

Okay. But the. The. The boy isn't back. The brother Jackson.

Trish (95:55)

I think they're all back. I would assume the only one is, like, maybe Mitchell Muso, because I think he has some allegations or something. But the whole cast is supposed to be there tonight. I guess we'll see.

Moses (96:05)

I think Billy Ray Cyrus has Amalga.

Trish (96:07)

Oh, yeah. With his ex.

Moses (96:08)

Like, fire starter.

Trish (96:09)

Yes. So that's the whole thing.

Moses (96:12)

I mean, people do pick and choose. We care about allegations from. But. All right. This is the one Alex Cooper's hosting. Yeah, I saw the wand. I saw her recreating the wand thing. Oh, yeah, Hannah Montana. Miley is Hannah. I like that people are into it. I like when people get really, like, Michaela's flying from Boston for this. You know, I like when people are really passionate. Taylor, too, she gets really emotional talking about it. And that's why I genuinely want to know. And I don't want to ask her. I'd be like, why? But, like, I just, like. I know she gets emotional. She's like, you know, it's like, the reason I wanted to, like, you know, do YouTube and, like, leave. My dad taught me a lot, including how easy it is to forget to cancel things. So I downloaded my bff. Big Financial Friend Experian could help me cancel my unused subscriptions and lower my bills, saving me hundreds a year. Get started with the Experian app today. Your big financial friends here to help you save smarter. Results will vary. Not all bills are subscriptions eligible. Savings not guaranteed. $631 a year average savings with one plus negotiations and one plus cancellations paid membership with connected payment account required. See experian.com for details. Experian. And, like, start my own thing. Like, she was really inspired by it. So I'm like, we need to watch the show. We're gonna get inspired.

Trish (97:17)

Maybe the kids would like. I mean, maybe they're too young, actually. But the music is good. Like, if you played the little music videos, I feel like they would like it because it's, like, cute music. It's like. I don't know, it's wholesome. It's like a vibe. Yeah. I still be listening to those songs when I need a little, like, pick me up. Just a vibe. And they still hit.

Moses (97:35)

Okay, maybe I'll watch it. Maybe I'm past it, but maybe when my kids are older, I'll be like, let's watch this show.

Trish (97:41)

It's pretty good. So I haven't actually gone back to watching in a long time, but I. I was. I was seated for every damn episode back.

Moses (97:47)

But what are they going to show at Grin tonight? Just the interview.

Trish (97:49)

It's the pre. It's the premiere. So, yeah, they'll play the special. She. Miley goes back to, like, the original set, and then she'd like. I don't know. It's like a retrospective. A look back.

Moses (97:59)

Are you guys going? Is your work going? Yes.

Trish (98:01)

ET Denny, director, will be there. I should Actually, let him know. To interview Michaela, I wrote influencer questions. The way your eyes have started Emergency. Michaela Nagar is going to be there when you forget Miley, we need 20 questions. An exclusive 30 minute interview with Michaela. Like, say, girl, let Miley walk on by. Michaela is where it's at.

Moses (98:22)

I almost said yes just to see if they let me host the carpet. Because sometimes when I say yes to a premiere, like, actually, do you want to host? It always, always happens, like wicked. And the moment was just an invite. And then they're like, you want to say I almost did for that, but I really can't go otherwise. I thought maybe because everyone is very gagged to go. I feel like it's going to be a big one tonight because, like every influencer I know.

Trish (98:39)

Yeah, everyone's been getting the suitcases with all the. With all the princess car in there.

Moses (98:43)

I haven't seen the suitcases.

Trish (98:44)

It's like an away suitcase with like Hannah Montana merch in there and like a script or something.

Moses (98:49)

Send us one so I can give it to Oscar. Oscar. Because I really wanted to do something with it because of you. It was like, literally both days I like, could not. And I was like, oh, man. And I know you, like, do you, like, love Hannah or not that much?

Trish (98:59)

You know, I loved Hannah Montana. I don't have the visceral response. I like a Tana Mongeau and Michaela have, like, I loved it. Like, if I wanted to go, I could have asked E.T. like, I.

Moses (99:10)

Okay. You know, like, you're not that invested then.

Trish (99:13)

I'm invested. Like, I'm excited, but I'm not like, crying and shaking over it. Like, I think. I mean, it was such a huge part of, like, my teens. I'm trying to think what would really gag me. I mean, the last thing I was like, told my work I needed to go to was like, Olivia Rodrigo. I feel like it's like the current stuff. I think I just. My hyper fixations now are just. They take over so much that, like, I can't afford to really.

Moses (99:38)

Oh, you're not. I love nostalgia at all.

Trish (99:41)

I do. But I. I'm very invested in the present. Pop girls like my roster, my client roster right now. I'm very invested. Whitney is the newest addition.

Moses (99:49)

Chicago is playing on Monday nights. Usually Broadway's closed on Monday nights. I've been there for literally less than 24 hours in New York, but I'm like, I might be able to make it to a Monday night showing.

Trish (99:57)

I think you gotta go and that would be the one where I'm like, if you don't get a damn video message from my queen.

Moses (100:03)

Whitney. Whitney. Okay, we're going to.

Trish (100:05)

Who I've only known for one week. But I, I, I adore.

Moses (100:09)

No, I love her. I've been. I went back on the. Can we get on the pod? Can we get on the pod?

Trish (100:13)

Live for. I think she's so stunning. Damn. That Bob she had in season one was crazy. But we've come a long way, Whitney, and you look amazing now.

Moses (100:21)

She does. She does. That Bob was crazy.

Trish (100:23)

That Bob was. That little flip was nuts.

Moses (100:26)

I want to get that wig. It's crazy, but I liked it. It was different.

Trish (100:30)

I need you.

Moses (100:32)

Oh, that was everything. Her little flip, it didn't make her stand out. But they should put her in the center next season because I'm so tired of Taylor being in the center.

Trish (100:40)

I do not think she's coming back. I really don't.

Moses (100:43)

Really? Yeah, no, she had to be filming. Now she's like, in New York and I don't know. She needs that book deal. Her movie's coming out.

Trish (100:50)

She commented on some. Someone's tick tock or whatever. Like, Whitney needs her own spin off or something to document her life in New York and she left eye emojis.

Moses (100:58)

So that's why. Oh, she's getting her own show.

Trish (101:01)

Maybe I would watch it. I would watch it.

Moses (101:04)

I don't think I would watch anyone else's own spin off. I would watch hers. It's hard, though, because like you said, like you said earlier is like, we love the redemption arc. But it is hard, I think. Right. Because okay, like, thinking about this last season, then we'll move on from more talk so much about it. But like last season two, they only had Dancing with the Stars for such a little part of it and everything around it was just drama. So, like, I get what you mean with that. Where it's like, we do want to see it. I'm trying to think of reality show where it's just like happy and like no drama. Like, because reality tv. I know what you're saying. Like, in general wants that drama.

Trish (101:33)

So I do like drama, but like the friend group itself, like the inter dynamics of like supporting each other and everything. Like, that's the kind of drama when it gets too real and too toxic.

Moses (101:44)

Yeah.

Trish (101:44)

Like it just becomes draining. Like towards the end when she was still like going back to Dakota and when again her eyes, like there's a switch that flips when Dakota triggers her by going to like the two people that would really piss her off if he got with. Like, there's such a switch and it just becomes so dark that I'm like, this is like, really not enjoyable.

Moses (102:05)

Yeah.

Trish (102:05)

But I love when it's like we're fighting, the dad talks. I like when Whitney's going off on Jen. Like I was waiting the whole season for Whitney to snap on Jen. Like, I was so excited for that.

Moses (102:15)

Now that was reactive when Jeff was like, see, you're the one screaming. It's like you just. You just pushed. You just pushed. Anyways, I'm ready for those books. Get the memoirs. I'm sure they do. Memoirs do take a long time. Like publishing all stuff like that. It does take. Even when the manuscript's done, it's like another like six months. So I guess Macy. Is that the first one?

Trish (102:33)

Yeah. Macy's is out. I. I would read a book from just about anyone. To be honest. I do kind of want to get Macy's. Sure. Sounds good. I feel like they all got tales to tell, though.

Moses (102:42)

Yeah. We're here for all of them.

Trish (102:44)

The other big drama over the weekend was the Chapel Roan versus the 11 year old in Brazil.

Moses (102:50)

I know mostly. Did you see the Chapel Roan? I'm like, that's all. That's been my entire Twitter. Like, that's all that. It's. It's. This is. This also has a lot of ups. There's. There's so much. There's always new developments with this.

Trish (103:00)

Yeah. So many plot twists with this too, people.

Moses (103:03)

Also very divisive. This was a very big week slash weekend for just people really being 10 toes down on one side or the other.

Trish (103:10)

Yeah. No common ground.

Moses (103:11)

No common ground. But I. Yeah, I think there's more hate for Chapel Rowan than there is for Taylor and Dakota combined. I think this hate train has never been. It's a freight train. It is trying to take her down. Demolish in every single way.

Trish (103:24)

Wild. Yeah. In case you missed it somehow over the weekend, soccer player. Oh, God, I'm gonna pronounce his name wrong. I'm so sorry, but Jorge no Horino accused Chapel Ron of mistreating his 11 year old daughter who was in Brazil to see Chapel perform at a music festival in Lollapalooza in Sao Paulo.

Moses (103:48)

Looked insane, by the way. Wish I wasn't invited to perform here. Addison Ray performing Diet Pepsi.

Trish (103:52)

I know the lineup was Gaga. Tronda, you got a Chapel Olivia Rodrigo. Cat's Eye. Addison Ray Mama. That is a place.

Moses (104:00)

That was it.

Trish (104:01)

Abrigado. Brazil. That, that was fierce and so wild because yes, it is also Jude Law's biological daughter as well, which is the craziest part. Yeah. So basically this 11 year old is the Nepo baby. So like that's kind of, like that's kind of the gag because I don't think it would have been a big deal. Obviously, as a soccer player he has a big Horino, has a big platform. But then when people realize it was also Jude Law daughter too, that adds like a whole element.

Moses (104:30)

We said biological, so it doesn't mean there. He's estranged.

Trish (104:33)

No, he's still. He has kids with a lot of different kids. Yes. But I think he's. He talks well about all of them, as if he still has a good relationship with them. So as I think, and I think from what I've read, it still is a co parents with Orino pretty well from what I read. But yeah. So he blasted Chapel on Instagram stories, really aired it all out. Said this morning my daughter woke up incredibly excited. She even made a sign because she was so happy to see an artist she really admires or used to admire. By coincidence, my wife and daughter are staying at the same hotel as this artist. During breakfast, the artist walked past her table. My daughter, like any child, recognized her, got excited and just wanted to make sure it was really her. And the worst part is she didn't even approach her. She simply walked past the table, looked to confirm it was her, smiled and went back to sit with her mother. Mom. She didn't say anything, didn't ask for anything. What happened next was completely disproportionate. And he said a large security guard approached the table and threatened to report her, the mom and her daughter for being disrespectful. So that was the guy.

Moses (105:41)

Did he. At Chapel Ron, or how do people know it was her?

Trish (105:43)

He said Chapel Ron.

Moses (105:45)

Oh, he. Did I say that? The artist?

Trish (105:46)

Yeah. He ended. Oh. By addressing Chapel directly and said. And told her, without your fans, you would be nothing. And to the fan, she does not deserve your affection at Chapelone.

Moses (105:58)

Okay. Kind of wild, right?

Trish (106:01)

Yeah. I mean, I see instantly, I was like, oh, girl, you know, I'm a Chapel row chapel Rome defender. 10 toes down every time she's had a little like, you know, scuffle with anyone who is just like invading her space, whatever. I've always been on her side because, yeah, she deserves to be setting boundaries. Boundaries. Also, quick sidebar. The one that we defended her against last time, the guy in, I believe, Paris.

Moses (106:26)

Yes.

Trish (106:27)

He was he's like a serial harasser. Because then he just did it to Rosalia and Rosalia couldn't get away from him. So I, I do stand with her on that. When she like filmed him or whatever.

Moses (106:37)

Moses saw that too, that he was doing it to multiple people over there. And they just don't leave them alone.

Trish (106:41)

Yeah, like, like literal following, stalking them, harassing them.

Moses (106:44)

And people are just like, no, you gotta, like, leave us alone. And they just don't. Yes.

Trish (106:46)

So I don't blame her. For the last time when I read this one, I was like, oh, girl, I don't know what I can say about this. Like, if it's an 11 year old, like, if that actually happened. Because also, like, I remember being so young and being like a stand of everyone and being so excited, like, you know, whatever. Ashley Tisdale with the mom drama, whatever. But when I met Ashley Tisdale at like 14 years old, and she was like, very, at least cordial and, you know, and nice, like, I. That made my whole life, like, I was so happy. It was the best experience ever. And I was thinking, like, if she was nasty to me, oh my God, I don't think I ever would have gotten over it. Kendall Jenner, when I saw her at the Nordstrom, she kind of gave me a look. And I haven't forgotten about that.

Moses (107:23)

And what was the look? And how old were you?

Trish (107:25)

I passed her. I was in high school. She was also. Oh, she's younger than me. Yeah. So I was maybe a sophomore. So maybe she was. Actually I was a junior, so maybe she was a freshman. And she just gave me. I think she thought I was like trying to hit on her. Yeah. Like, I walked past her to go, so. Because she was in the shoe section, the men's department is behind the women's shoe section. So I passed her. But I think she thought I was like trying to, I don't know, talk to her or something. Yeah. So she gave me like a weird look and I never forgot it. So if I was this 11 year old who was a stand, like, literally went, made a sign. There was photos of her, like at the festival for other artists. I'm like, that would have like, devastated me.

Moses (108:03)

I think it's. To this day my fear, huge fear of rejection stems from me being. I was 8 years old when I was told by a celebrity's security to get the out of here at a hotel. And my dad, we were eating breakfast at the hotel. It was up in Oakland, when it was Oakland A's. Are they still there? And we love the Cleveland. I guess I can. He's not really, like, a celebrity. His name was Albert Bell, and he was having breakfast with Tony Pena. And, like, I was, like, 8, and so my dad would send me to go get these balls signed by baseball players. And, like, baseball players are notorious for, like, if you go up to them, like, they're always gonna sign for a kid. This was at the hotel during breakfast.

Trish (108:41)

This is.

Moses (108:42)

I know. And when I heard the story, I was kind of like. But I just remember sobbing. I didn't know Albert Bell. Like, I did not know Tony Pena. I guess he's like, the catcher or something for the Indians at times. It's like, in the 90s, like, 95. I didn't know, but I just remember being, like, sobbing because the security guard was, like, intimidating, obviously. We went up and they just like, block. You kind of like, bluey, where they're just like, block. Get the out of here. And I remember he, like, ate, like, not even knowing. I was, like, crying, sobbing. And I could even, like, tell my dad what happened. He was, like, right there because we're having breakfast and stuff. But, like, it was. Was. It was so traumatic. And I really. And after, like, it's weird because, like, I always had. I hated rejection. And then when I heard the story, like, it triggered that. I was like, that should be my. I was like. I was like, wait. That happened to me. Like, that's so weird. I know that sounds like, crazy, but it did. And I was just like. That same thing happened to me, and it was at the hotel, and we would stay, I guess. I don't know if this is, like, to their defense, whatever. We would say hotels, like, the fanciest hotels in town, knowing that the baseball players would say there. So they're coming from Cleveland to Oakland. Right. So my dad would put us at the fancy hotels because he knew the baseball players were there. So the chance of running into them at the elevator waiters was, like, high and same thing. Like, Cleveland. There's only one fancy one, the Ritz Hotel. So if you want to see basketball players, they're gonna stay at the Ritz. So we'd always, like, do this little thing to meet them. So I guess to, like, this little girl, too. She was there to meet celebrities because she had one with, like, Louis Capaldi and stuff.

Trish (109:55)

And I think the gag is, like, that's where the rich people stay, and she. Her family's rich, so.

Moses (110:00)

Right. You don't think it was to see the artists.

Trish (110:03)

I think she would, like, genuinely like,

Oscar (110:05)

stayed at the same hotel because they're both of the same status.

Trish (110:08)

Yeah, exactly.

Moses (110:08)

But she had a sign. You said she made a sign for

Oscar (110:11)

the concert to bring to the show.

Moses (110:13)

Oh, I see. So you're like, oh, right, okay. Okay. So, right. They just, like a fancy hotel and they just happen to be there.

Trish (110:17)

All right. Yeah, but, yeah, like, I. That's why, like, I can't imagine how traumatic that is. Like, I think, of course, like, yeah, obviously boundaries and everything, but I think when it's a kid, like an overly excited kid, you kind of have to, like, throw all that out the window.

Moses (110:29)

Back to the bluey thing, too. It's like, like our one and a half year old, like, Elvis running up to Bluey and then the security, like, putting his hands up to, like, so that she would run into his arm and she, like, fell down. Like, yes, boundaries, right. Because they're not supposed to go up to Bluey right away. But there is, like, ways of being like, hey, like, I don't know, stay back without having to, like, you know, put your arms out. Whatever. I think kids is, like, it's. You handle them differently. The tactics. Yeah, yeah. And. But. But also to Albert Bell's credit, maybe he didn't know his security was like, no, no. You know what I mean? Like, maybe. Maybe he didn't. Maybe. Maybe there's a thing that, say if there's a fan that comes up, just always say this. Who knows? But there could be a chance. Maybe they don't know how they're reacting. Anyways, I'll have to think about this, too. I was like, oh, my God. And I was with you, too, as the original, where I'm just like, chapel, we can't keep defending. But then mine's kind of switched too, with the updates.

Trish (111:20)

Yeah. After that, she posted to her Instagram stories and she said, I didn't even see a woman and a child. No one came out to me. No one bothered me. I was just sitting at breakfast at my hotel. I did not ask my security guard to go up and talk to this mother and child. They did not come up to me. They weren't doing anything. It's unfair for security to just assume someone doesn't have good intentions when they have no reason to believe because there's no action even taken. And she did apologize and say, I am so sorry to the mother and child. That someone was assuming that you would do something. And if you felt uncomfortable, that makes me really sad. You did not deserve this.

Moses (111:53)

That this was the one where she's saying about with no makeup. Yes, people did not like this response.

Trish (111:58)

No, people did not like it at all.

Moses (111:59)

People, this is. She gets like the Whitney lover treatment a little bit in this way where people be like, wow, so smug. Even in this. Ugh, get up. Why are you laying down for this? Like, people really just do want to, like, hate to hate. They're like, this is not enough, you know?

Trish (112:11)

Yeah, like, it kind of made sense to me. Like, her statement, like, I could see the security just being like over the top. But I will say they probably had the directive too, of it. Like, she's very strict about like the boundary, so make sure. Again, maybe it's not coming for her specifically, but they were probably told to make sure you're on your aame. Like, do not let anyone, you know, come out and cr. And get too close or whatever. So I could see that. And also the security guard just taking it too far. So, yeah, there is a good chance she didn't know about it. To be honest. If I was her, I would go straight up to that hotel, the front desk, I'd be like, give me the security tapes from this past Saturday because I need to clear my damn name. Because there's just no. A lot of people who are not gonna believe her that she didn't know or it wasn't her personal security that she didn't know. She didn't see the 11 year old girl. I would literally be like, show me the security tape of me eating my breakfast and not seeing this 11 year old girl walk by and tell that man to go yell at her. Because now people keep circulating this clip of her in an airport on Tick Tock last month where someone's filming her in the airport. She sees them film her and she points them and then security guard looks right at them and goes to them. So people are using that to kind of show how she talks to her security.

Moses (113:28)

Oh, do you think she. You think she told him to tell him to stop filming?

Trish (113:32)

I think she pointed him out, yeah. Because she sees him, she looks right at the camera and points to him. And then the security guard kind of stands in front of her and kind of blocks the camera. I will say, when I went to Misha Spice's Halloween party, her security guard was there and he was actually very nice. So I don't know, I don't doubt it was the same one. Like, this was her personal one at the Halloween party. And like Chapel wanted to go onto like the dance floor with like 200 people were there. Like, you couldn't even freaking move. But she was saying hi to someone and a security guard was just, excuse me, excuse me. And like guiding her through. And it was a whole bunch of drunk adults and crazy wigs and costumes.

Moses (114:06)

Yeah, yeah.

Trish (114:07)

And he was actually nice, so I will say that at least.

Moses (114:09)

But I feel like the price of fame is hard. Like, I think like people like to like clown or whatever. That is hard. Like you just want to go on the dance floor and it's like, obviously like you said, he was being nice in the situation, but it is hard. Like you just can't go do things. Like, really.

Trish (114:19)

And that's why I would think, because also Chapel is usually pretty good with kids, so I wouldn't. She would specifically point out this one 11 year old. I feel like probably security was acting on her behalf. But she did kind of say she didn't. It wasn't her personal security or someone who was with her. It was like the hotel security is what she thinks. But then the mom of the 11 year old girl posted a response to Chapel's response.

Moses (114:42)

I know so many.

Trish (114:44)

And she said on her Instagram that I know that Chapel's respond is saying that it wasn't her security and that she didn't do it. So 100% the security guard was not a security guard of the hotel. That's what I can say. He looks after artists. I don't know if it was her personal security guard, but he was with her, so that's all I know. Did she send him to do it again? I don't know. Look, I would like to hope not, but at the same time, I think you have a responsibility when you are a celebrity to make sure that the people that work for you and act on your behalf are acting on your behalf. So what do you do that if he didn't have her authority to do so? I don't know if he does. And obviously that's a big problem because then he's representing her in a way that she doesn't want to be represented, which I think is a fair point.

Moses (115:26)

That's very true. That happened one time at one of my meet and greets or something. Being so awful to people, like literally shoving them. They'd be like, hydra, get out. Get move, move, get go. Like, they'd be so awful and like, yeah, you don't know what to do in that moment. But then like halfway through we're like, we have to tell them, like, you have to stop. Like you have to go away. Because that's like insane. Like the way yeah, that's true. But Chapel is saying it was she. Well, he wasn't even with her. It was like hotel security.

Trish (115:48)

Yeah. So she was saying it wasn't her personal security, that it was hotel security. And then Cat, who is the. It was the mom who was there with the 11 year old girl, said that, that she knows for sure it wasn't the hotel security. But someone who's like assigned to be from Artist. Yeah.

Moses (116:03)

So was she denying. Did the mom say that they were looking for Chapel or did she say they were not?

Trish (116:11)

She said they were not. Basically what her telling of events is that they were walking to breakfast, she saw a girl with red hair, like walk past her and the girl went, mom, I think that was Chapel. And then she like walked back to see if it was her, saw her and then came back back and she was like, she knows very well because her dad is Jude Law. Like she knows very much about like boundaries. Like we raised her specifically to like not invade anyone's personal space. Like she even told the security guard, when the security guard come to yell at her, she was like, no. Like her father is very well known. Like she deals with this stuff all the time. Like she knows better than to do anything as he was like going off on her.

Moses (116:48)

But she did get a photo with Louis Capaldi.

Trish (116:50)

Yeah, but I think it was like a consensual thing.

Moses (116:52)

That's what I'm saying. But don't you think, like she goes, oh, they know boundaries. Which I'm not saying it's like a boundary to ask someone for a photo. I asked people for photos, like only it's a bad thing. But she seemed to be wanting photos with celebrities.

Trish (117:00)

Oh, she like, literally. It is funny because now all the stuff comes up. People were acting as if something terrible happened to her. It was like an immemorial or something. But it was like, look at her so excited. Sabrina Carpenter. And then on Christmas Day she opened up the Life of a Showgirl album. So this 11 year old just has taste and she loves the pop girls and I guess Louis Capaldi as well. I guess.

Moses (117:18)

I think it's fair to say she probably like. I guess no one said she ever asked for a picture. So I guess there was nobody show. Other than all that we have heard is that she like crossed double time. Been like, that's Chapel. Chapel obviously didn't hear that the mom was saying that's what they did.

Trish (117:31)

Yeah.

Moses (117:31)

She never asked for a photo.

Trish (117:32)

Yeah.

Moses (117:32)

So it wasn't even that look. I think too like at the End. It's like it's a child. I mean, the way Chapel tells it right. Is nothing even happened. She had no idea what's happening. So it's like that I believe her. Right. The way the mom tells it is like. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's like. That is sad. And obviously been a victim of a celebrity's security guard yelling at me. It is awful. And as a kid, you feel everything so much more so. So I guess we can confirm that there was a security guard that yelled. We just don't know if it's Chapels or the hotels or the events.

Trish (117:59)

Yeah.

Moses (117:59)

And that's sad.

Trish (118:01)

Told them to go do it. I. I believe that she wouldn't do.

Moses (118:04)

I don't think she has been good

Trish (118:05)

with kids like in the past. At other.

Moses (118:07)

Yeah.

Oscar (118:08)

She's also, from the sound of it, she didn't see the girl. And it makes sense because, you know, like a little kid, it's not something in her peripheries that she would understand. But also the way kids. Kids behave. Like the kid would kind of like, you know, walk. Being hesitant. So a security guard will notice. This kid is not going to get food and back. They're not. They're just walking around spying on her, trying to get a glimpse to see if it's her or not. At the same time, Chapel could be with her back to her. She could not even know she's there. But the security guard will see like, oh, she's acting a little suspicious and then go and say something.

Moses (118:41)

Yeah, I believe that. So I think that's probably more it.

Oscar (118:44)

Because what I notice is that the. There's. There's definitely like a hate campaign against Chapel.

Moses (118:49)

Oh, for sure.

Oscar (118:50)

Since she left her last, you know, agency, wherever it was. Yeah, there's definitely something going on. You know.

Moses (118:58)

God. People really just don't. Oh, God. There's a TikTok I follow. I think his name is Horace. I might be getting it wrong. I love his takes on things and he had said that too. He's like, I truly feel like Chapel was always meant to be like an indie artist. Like she wanted it for that way. Right. Kind of like he was mentioning like a Slater. Like a. That's what I was.

Trish (119:13)

I told my friend that.

Moses (119:14)

Yeah. Where she truly maybe did not want this life of being a pop girly, like a Sabrina Carpenter and stuff like that. That she was always meant to be kind of like more like low key indie whatever. So I think that's where it is. People like, she does not deserve this fame or Whatever it is. Like, I think she just doesn't handle it. Like, a lot of people handle it well, and she just doesn't want that part of being an artist. And I think that's fair. I think it's just like, she is so popular and so massive. So she's, like, thrusted into the same category story as, like, a Sabrina or like a Kim Kardashian who handles paparazzi and fame very well and stuff. I think she's just not comfortable with it. I think it's okay. Yeah. But I agree with you. People do just love to hate. Like, when she did that video, like, wow. Smug, arrogant. Look at her lying down. Like, you know, just like, smiling, smirking. Like, it's just like, she can not do anything right. Like, even the paparazzi in Paris that harass everybody else and everybody else was like, leave me alone. You're so annoying.

Trish (120:05)

Literally the week before Dua Lipa, like, yeah, same people.

Moses (120:09)

And, like, nothing went off.

Oscar (120:10)

And she's just like, they're not showing the person. You know what I mean? They're just showing her. Like, if they show the other person and you see that it's not a fan and it's just a solicitor trying to harass her.

Moses (120:20)

Yeah.

Oscar (120:21)

You know, but nobody showed the full picture of what happened. So it was.

Moses (120:24)

No, there's a tension.

Oscar (120:25)

Was to. But again, I think Chapel should take a page from Kate Bush's book, because that's what happened to Kate Bush when she was famous. And then very early on, she was like, I'm. Now I'm opening my own record label. I'm making my own music on my terms. I'm touring when I want to tour the way I want to tour. And she just completely disengaged from the world.

Moses (120:45)

Yeah.

Oscar (120:45)

And she was unavailable to anyone unless she wanted to be. And that was it. That she was focused on making music. And she made lots of music, but more mysterious. You can choose your own path. Like, the way you want to be

Moses (120:59)

famous is people won't let her. I feel like it's like, it's hard. I don't know. It's so hard. I don't know. I'm not there. I feel for her. I also feel for that kid. Obviously. I think that trauma, like, it really did traumatize me, and I feel like I was just like, never again approaching anybody. I will never ask anyone to hang out. I'll never text first. I'll never. Well, like, I really do think it stems from that incident. Someone I didn't care About.

Oscar (121:20)

But I wish that we saw the space that it happened, you know, like. Because if Chapel would hear the security guard talking to this girl, and apparently from what the parents said the girl was crying. I'm sure Chapel would have been like, what's going on? Or go to the girl. Because we've seen a lot of celebrities, like, stop the security going to the person in the conversation with them and basically de. Escalating the situation. So that's what's odd to me is, like, how big was the room? How far was she? Where was the security cctv?

Trish (121:49)

You need to get that security team.

Oscar (121:52)

We need to see more.

Moses (121:53)

More. Yeah, that's a good. Yeah. Because I thought one of Lebron, he was, like, walking past, I don't know, just going through. And there's like, kids, whatever. There was a kid yelling like, bron, Lebron, sign this, whatever. And the dad's like, say please. And he's like, please. And then LeBron stops and comes back. Everybody with kids. I don't think there's one person that's like you to kids. Like, if a kid's crying, they're like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think anybody.

Trish (122:10)

Trixie Mattel actually tweeted that she wouldn't stop for kids. Well, she did it back in 2020 and then she retweeted it and was like, still true.

Moses (122:19)

That's so funny. You know what?

Trish (122:22)

Everyone has their back.

Moses (122:24)

At least we know and we know that. I always known that, like, you know, I follow Trixie, whatever. And it's like, you just know she doesn't like kids. So, like, why would you. Yeah, I don't know. That's so funny. I also don't believe it. I also feel like if a kid came up to Trixie, I feel like she might. Although the hotel is no kids allowed at the Trixie Hotel. Which makes sense. It is in Palm Springs. But it's funny. Yeah. She just can't catch a break. But I feel sad for the kids.

Trish (122:46)

I kind of wish she, like, just. Just especially because it's a kid of famous parents. Like, I was kind of like, why didn't you. You should reach out to Jude Law. Be like, can I? You know, I didn't know that was happening. Can I do something to, you know, make her feel a little bit better? You know, invite her to another show or something? That's kind of like the Taylor Swift school of PR is. I feel like that's what she would do. She would just, like, if she knew something like that happened she would somehow fly out that little kid to wherever she's at, do a little photo, post it on her Instagram story, and like, look, see, I didn't know was happening. I made it up.

Moses (123:15)

Yeah, Usually we always do that all the time in venues. Like, if there was somebody who, like, in the, like, the disabled thing, if there was like, a blockage or whatever, and they're like, you know, I was, like, disabled. We always tried to make sure they came to, like, another show if they couldn't see or something like that. Like, you know, it's. You kind of have to. It's easy to do, too, when you have, like, people to help you. You just can facilitate, like, a meet and greet. Early on, those blurry meet and greet photos. I like this one person, I think I can say it now. I feel like enough times passing, he's been so sweet. There was one photo that was. Oh, my God, that did. It was so. And I couldn't even talk about it because I was, like, so embarrassed and, like, he was so sweet. He ended up coming to, like, two more shows, but it was blurry. It was early on in the tour and we're like, luckily, Naz is the photographer now for always meet and greet photos. Right? And meet and greet photos. You know, you pay money, you want a nice photo. They were a little diabolical at the beginning, but one was so blurry and so, like, not visible that they aied my face.

Trish (124:07)

I forgot about that.

Moses (124:08)

Did I show you it?

Trish (124:09)

Showed it to me. Yeah, it was.

Moses (124:10)

I need to find this photo. It was. I mean, my teeth are separated. Like, it was so scary.

Oscar (124:16)

Like a different person.

Moses (124:17)

Oh, my God, I was so scared. I was. I was livid. I was like, what? This is after, like, the. The sec. This is trying to get a new person in there. This is like the second week. And I was just like, what the is this? So what is this? And it's on the public website where everyone that means greets can see. So I'm just like, this is so embarrassing. Shout out. Danielle Perez, who is, like, not only number one fan and friend, he's also really, like, he should be manager because he's on it. And Naz too, but he's like, what is. It was so scary then. The kid was so sweet. He came solo and he was like, so sweet. And he's like, it's fine. Like, it's okay. So anyways, we obviously, like, flew him to another meet and greet because I was like, that's so insane. But, like, at the very Least I'm like, come see your show. And, like, forever. He can always have meet and greets. Because I'm like, that was so diabolical. And it's just embarrassing. It's embarrassing. And even if it's not your fault, like, obviously, that is not my fault. That was a whole other thing. But, you know, you are the face.

Trish (125:04)

Yeah.

Moses (125:04)

And you just gotta.

Trish (125:05)

That's kind of how it is. Like, unfortunately, like, that's a reflection on you. That's kind of what. What, like, her mom was saying too. Like, if they. Honestly, they. It's a representation of you. So what are you gonna do?

Moses (125:17)

You know, Maybe she will. Maybe she'll bring it to her.

Trish (125:19)

I hope so.

Moses (125:20)

I think it's a little weird of the dad, the initial one, because at the end of the day, like, it does suck. I think I got blown out of proportion. I think it's like, what did. Trying to think of that it would happen. I'm trying to put it in my perspective, like, with our kids. Like, if it happened when I blasted

Oscar (125:35)

he is a celebrity. And when celebrities, like, are in the same space, there's a certain adequate, like, she. To him. What she did is very, very hurtful. And because he's at the same level as her.

Moses (125:49)

But are you saying he's in the right to blast or. He shouldn't have blasted it.

Oscar (125:51)

He should have been like, I understand his emotions. Because it hurts even more when he feels like, we're. We're colleagues, we're celebrities, we're in the same space. This is my kid. You could have a kid that will be my fan. Like, we don't do this to each other. Other, like, to him, it was a bigger slap in the face than if it was a random person on the street.

Moses (126:09)

But I feel like in the past couple months, we were, like, slighted by an influencer. And it's like, my initial instinct was, like, it wouldn't be to, like, talk about it. In fact, it's the opposite, because we're, like, mutuals of, like, influencers. It's like, you just don't talk about it. Like, I was, like, bummed and, like, what happened was, like, annoying and, like. Like, bad energy. But it's like, my first thing when I'd be like, let me blast this. Because it was embarrassing and it was awful, but I was like, I don't need a blast.

Trish (126:33)

They flew across the country to go. Not even. I think they. I forget where they're from, but they flew to Brazil just for Lollapalooza.

Moses (126:40)

Oh, they don't go to Brazil.

Trish (126:42)

Christmas present was going to see Chapel at Lollapalooza. Like the build up.

Moses (126:46)

Oh well, I didn't know that.

Trish (126:47)

Yeah, it was like her, she loves Chapel. That's what I'm saying. She loves like these girls. Like she's a Stan.

Moses (126:52)

I thought it was like they just happened to be in this hotel and walk past.

Trish (126:55)

They, they were staying at the hotel for the show. But yeah, it was her Christmas present was getting tickets to Lollapalooza. Like that they surprised her with all this.

Moses (127:03)

I didn't know this. This wasn't her.

Trish (127:04)

Her mom was saying it. Yeah.

Moses (127:06)

Oh

Trish (127:08)

yeah.

Moses (127:09)

I don't know. To me it's like. I don't know. I don't know. I'm kind of torn on it.

Oscar (127:12)

Like if you take your kids to Disneyland and they go there to see Mickey Mouse and Mickey Mouse security bluey knocks your kid and make them cry. Yeah, I would blast Disney and Mickey mo those.

Trish (127:22)

Yeah. I would like to be in good terms with that.

Moses (127:28)

Maybe the Bluey Museum. I guess. I guess we did. But it just makes it seem so much more serious. Maybe. Yeah, maybe I'm in the wrong on this. I just think it's like so much more like it seems so like you said everyone was doing like in In Memoriam. Like just like.

Trish (127:39)

Oh my gosh, it was a lot. Yeah. I think I can't even fault him either because I think again, if it was for me being slighted, I would, I would probably, you know, wait a couple weeks and say it on here. But this is what we do.

Moses (127:49)

I know, I can guess. I guess it's like if it was.

Trish (127:51)

I think cuz it's like his daughter who's just like loves her so much.

Moses (127:56)

That's true. If the security thing did happen, then maybe. Yes. Cuz that is traumatizing. Okay. Yeah, you're right. All right, I get. Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Trish (128:02)

Yeah.

Moses (128:03)

All right. He did the right thing. What about Jul? Why isn't he saying anything? He has more reach. If he said something that might be out there, we need to know.

Trish (128:09)

That's true. Yeah.

Moses (128:11)

What is his thoughts on this whole thing? Where is Jude Law? He like cheated and then went bald and like never heard from again.

Trish (128:17)

He did a movie kind of recently, like last year. I forget we interviewed him for something. I forget what he did some kind of.

Moses (128:24)

He gives me Dakota Mortensen vibes where he's just like mid. Cheats a lot, lost all the hair, got a transplant. Like it just like Is giving nothing to me. I don't know why I'm. But I just don't like it. At least he was a cheater. That's why I was like, why am I cheating on.

Trish (128:37)

It's not abusive, right?

Moses (128:38)

Right. I don't know.

Trish (128:39)

I don't know either.

Moses (128:40)

Probably not. I just know he is awful to Sienna Miller and cheated with the nanny and. Oh, he sounds like a pissy to me. But maybe he's an okay dad. Maybe he's better. Maybe Change and grow, which we're all about changing growth. Just like my memoir, cry gotta get your poor. You can change and you can grow. What'd be the name of Taylor Frankie Paul's memoir?

Trish (128:59)

That's a good question.

Moses (129:02)

I don't know, but that meme of her holding the stool needs to stop. Have you seen this?

Trish (129:05)

And all the tick tock comments.

Moses (129:07)

God, who started this? Like, why are people so quick? Also, why do I laugh sometimes? The Internet is crazy. Even with Chapel Roan, there's so many memes of her. Like Chapel when the kid comes up and it's just like people flinging kids

Trish (129:18)

and everyone's anti AI. But then the same people love to make these little AI memes. Y' all gotta pick one. Y' all canceling Zara Larson because she likes watching the AI Fruit. But then you guys are running and making AI memes of Chapel yelling at a kid. So, like, which one is it? Like, poor Zara Larson, she. Zara Larson, learning in real time. You can't really have a personality when you're a main pop girl.

Moses (129:39)

You cannot.

Trish (129:40)

Yeah, they were on her. She just said she laughed a little at the. At the AI Fruit drama. And everyone was so mad at her.

Moses (129:47)

People, that's crazy, because AI Fruit drama is all. I live for it. Give me peace again. Sorry. People are so. You're right, Zara. I feel you. Damn. She. She said she lost a brand deal because of her. Do we got that? We might have cut it from last episode, but the.

Trish (130:04)

Oh, yeah, she made a joke, a joke about a fan of hers getting an abortion. And then after that joke went viral, she lost a three million dollar brand deal. Crazy.

Moses (130:14)

Think she regrets?

Trish (130:16)

Doesn't sound like she does. She's kind of like a girl who stands in business.

Moses (130:20)

I think you can say it. I think when you lose a $3 million deal, I think you might have to. Because it's like, yeah, whatever. People think it's funny. Not funny, whatever. There was the debate on that. But, like, you lost $3 million though, because of Just something you wanted to say? I don't know. It's not even like freedom of speech where something like, so powerful, I guess in her mind, like, I'm doing a pro choice dance, but maybe. I don't know. Whatever. But I think you have to regret losing $3 million. I regret, like, losing $300 deals. Like, 3 million is crazy. Like, that's. That's crazy. But I guess one time past, you're just like, I don't regret it because you can't do anything about it.

Trish (130:51)

Yeah. And also, like, someone like her, you also, like, know influencers is harder. Right. Because you never know, like, when it'll kind of dry up. But she's been performing for, like, 10 years, and at this point, she's only getting bigger and bigger. So I feel like with her, she at least knows there's always something around the corner, so.

Moses (131:05)

Not always. I feel like there's some pop divas who definitely have Stacy Rico, she was that girl. She was like a Christian singer then pop star. You know what I mean? And then they sometimes.

Trish (131:16)

Sometimes, you know, I think with her, it's. It's pretty safe for a couple years.

Moses (131:20)

Well, years are a stand. I mean, not that I'm not, but

Trish (131:21)

I'm just saying me and Harry Daniels holding it down.

Moses (131:24)

I love her. Oh, love the name.

Oscar (131:26)

I love her.

Moses (131:27)

I saw that one where she's, like, holding your dancers and then she. They lift her up and she kicked and someone was holding the microphone to her.

Trish (131:31)

Oh, Dot just went viral for doing the Midnight sun riff. And I think you should do it.

Moses (131:35)

What is it? How's it go? You do it first.

Trish (131:37)

Okay. A never ending midnight sun. A never ending midnight sun.

Moses (131:49)

Okay. What's it mean? Midnight Sun. Okay. Love it. Maybe I'll get on it. I'm busy tonight, but I might get on that.

Trish (131:56)

I was like, right now. I was trying to key up.

Moses (131:58)

It's a midnight sun. It's at Midnight sun.

Trish (132:13)

Wow, she's really good.

Moses (132:17)

Okay, Demi. Thank you. Thank you. You know, Sunny with a chance was good. That should come back, right? Yeah.

Trish (132:27)

I love even the theme song. I love, too. The Disney music at that era was so inspiring. Inspirational to me, actually. So far, so great. Get ready.

Moses (132:35)

Is that sending a chance?

Trish (132:37)

Having a dream is just the beginning. So far, so great.

Moses (132:43)

Is that something with the Jan scene song?

Trish (132:45)

Yeah.

Moses (132:47)

Isn't that one like, hey, Sunny. Hey. Hey, Jesse.

Trish (132:51)

That's the Debbie Ryan one.

Moses (132:53)

She's Queen Tim. I never watched that show, but I just like her sometimes. I like people just for Their memes, You know what I mean? Just, she's so funny. She's such a mean queen. Right. Sometimes the memes are just like what make people.

Trish (133:04)

Well,

Moses (133:06)

my. What do you mean? Pack. That is so true. I guess I don't see it. Like, I wish I could see my memes the way some people see them. Like you. I just, I can't. I wish I had the iconicness and I can't. I would like to think that I'm not up there yet. I'm not on that level one day. It is funny how people just like find those old videos and just, I don't know, like the ones like laying on the kitchen floor. I, I reach out to that address that I used to live in and no one responded. I really wanted to do videos there, but we're gonna just like rebuild it. We're gonna like create a set for

Trish (133:34)

one of the music videos.

Moses (133:35)

I don't know if it's gonna be as like cool though, but if you live at this place, we have a feeling like someone's like it's vacant or something. I was like, why don't you just call the building? I'm like, I don't think you just call them and be like, I think you can.

Trish (133:45)

Exactly, yeah.

Moses (133:46)

And ask, what, does someone live there?

Oscar (133:49)

Yeah. Just inquire like, is this available? Maybe, Maybe it's empty right now and it's between, you know, I think they'll

Moses (133:54)

just let me go in there.

Trish (133:55)

Yeah, they probably are.

Oscar (133:56)

Like, money you pay.

Moses (133:58)

Really? You think if I just called up the building, like, can I rent it for a day? They're like, okay, yeah, yeah.

Oscar (134:02)

Movies do that. They scout. They have scouts for permits for films.

Moses (134:07)

I hate it. See my rejection back to Albert Bell security guard.

Oscar (134:09)

If they are, then you give it to Andrew, the director and he does all the work to get the permit to film, to pay and all that stuff.

Moses (134:19)

I'll hit them up after this, text them. Really would love to. What if it's not the same anymore?

Oscar (134:24)

You know, they always might have renovated a bit, but I still think that it's the, like the atmosphere of the video should be like an old fashioned YouTube video. So even if you do green screen and put yourself in that space, but kind of like low res video, Moses

Moses (134:42)

vision for this music video and my vision are so different and I, I, I love it. I love your ideas.

Trish (134:47)

I just think that, oh, you should do a little contest. Like you do your version of the video and then you do yours and see which one does better.

Moses (134:55)

That's interesting. No. Like I'm not saying they're bad ideas. It's always just so far from my vision. I'm always just like cuz you always

Oscar (135:01)

want fancy, girly, shiny. But here there's like a story. Like it's a YouTube story.

Moses (135:06)

So it's like he wants it to be a thumbnail.

Oscar (135:09)

Yeah, my like as like the thumbnails. She moves in them. That's why it's a green screen. But as the titles changes the thing. Right. It's like the evolution.

Trish (135:20)

I do see that vision. Yup.

Moses (135:22)

I don't hate it. It's just so far from what I'm doing.

Oscar (135:25)

Of course. But I'm saying I like it.

Moses (135:28)

I like it. But not for me. Maybe one time, one time I had Andrew Valentine, who's also very creative. One time I had him pick the vision. I was like. Cause I'm very specific. I do 5,000 references and there's one time time. And it was a music video. It's my only love song. I did like a love song usually when I like breakup songs. Whatever was like a love song. And I remember I hated it. It was like we're, we're like slaughtering a pig. Like hanging. And there's like eating zombie brains. And I was like nope, nope, never again. And he's a gay. And I thought oh I can trust, I can trust a gay to know what's. But nope, nope, don't trust them all with this. And he's like so he is so talented. He made so many great films. Like he is so talented. Did. That was diabolical and crazy. My one love song is like me like killing a. I was like never again. Never. It was so weird and I. It was a time frame I hated. It was supposed to be like the Notebook, which I hate the Notebook. It was very, it was very awful. So I'm very particular. But not to say you're right. Maybe I should be more open minded. I, I, you know, try other people's visions.

Oscar (136:23)

You do your vision. I'm just saying that's the first thing that came to mind.

Moses (136:26)

No, I liked it. I like that you thought. I love when you have like a passion for something I'm doing too. I had thoughts on yours too. On your tuna pasta sponsor. Not in a bad way. I was like, you should put me in the first two seconds because I try it at the end.

Trish (136:38)

It's a 10 minute.

Oscar (136:39)

Yeah, I was going to but it was just so long.

Moses (136:43)

I respect it. But I do think I should have been a little Teaser like, oh, I was giving you so many reactions and I was. Anyways, that was the thumbnail. But I. I think maybe the first couple seconds it could have been you and me.

Oscar (136:54)

I agree.

Moses (136:55)

It's okay. No, it's fine. It did well.

Oscar (136:57)

Just when I had no time. Like a 10 minute video on TikTok.

Moses (137:00)

It's like, yeah, you just put it the first two seconds. But the. You know, it did. Well, it doesn't. It didn't need me. Maybe it would have been worse.

Oscar (137:06)

It did. You were in it.

Moses (137:09)

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Trish (137:12)

Did you see that? Jip Chip is back in the news

Moses (137:15)

for her body tea for making a

Trish (137:18)

joke about her mom's murder.

Moses (137:21)

We listen and we don't judge.

Trish (137:23)

Yes.

Moses (137:23)

I. She's did 20. What's her name? Natalie Reynolds. She did like 20 tick tocks with her. I mean, as the Internet said, I don't think this trend is for you, babe. Like, I don't know if we're. I think we're all judging. I think we're all judging now because was judging. The judge was judging. You went to prison also. Did she just admit it? Like, me, I. I thought. I thought it was Nick. I thought you were like, I didn't really want him to do it. Like, what just happened? Did we do an admission of guilt here on Tick Tock? This was wild. This was the wrong people to do this challenge. You know why we've never done the listening don't judge challenge? Because I should be judged for a lot of things. Moses. And I thought about it one time where I thought about doing it and I just remember being like, no, you should definitely be judging me for what I'm about to say. Like, everybody that does that challenge, we listen and we don't judge. It always be like, I cheated on you, gave you an STD and you took me back. Like, it's just like, no, I'm judging you. Like, what do you mean? You didn't tell her you were. You had someone else and then you get like, anyways, yes, these two. Did you know the other Tick Tocker she did it with?

Trish (138:21)

No.

Moses (138:21)

Natalie.

Trish (138:22)

Is that any before? Yeah.

Moses (138:23)

You've never seen her, so you don't know what she did to be in the scene because she's problematic. Oh, no, she says it in the listening. We don't judge. Did you watch the TikTok?

Trish (138:30)

I only saw the gypsy part.

Moses (138:31)

Yeah. So before her, Natalie goes. And her whole thing was. And she says it. She goes, I once paid. I don't know if she was an unhoused woman or just a woman on the street? Street paid her $20 to jump into a lake naked or just into a

Oscar (138:46)

lake and couldn't swim.

Moses (138:47)

And she couldn't swim. And she was. I can't swim. And then she just, like, left and laughed and, like, filmed her doing it. Yeah. Was she on house? Was she naked? I didn't make those two up.

Oscar (138:55)

Not naked. Unhoused.

Moses (138:56)

Unhoused woman. She paid 20 to go.

Oscar (138:58)

You never saw that?

Trish (138:59)

No, it was.

Oscar (139:01)

It was bad, actually. She literally walked away laughing and let her, like.

Moses (139:06)

Yeah. Which it's, like, bad enough, right? When people give unhoused people money and you're filming it for content, that gives a little ick. But the fact that you're doing, like. Yeah, that sort of.

Oscar (139:14)

No way. Give them money, but don't humiliate them.

Moses (139:17)

Of course. That's what I'm saying. It's another level. It's what. But people don't like when they film giving them money. They think it's kind of weird because it's like, don't use them for content just because you're giving them money. But on the humiliation level, too. Like, you're for that. Like, you're weird. Like, I'm judging. Like, we all judged you. Like, I thought we moved past that. We're still judging you. So when they did this challenge together, I'm like, I don't know if this is meant for you, girl. You at all. And I would say, actually, what Natalie did is maybe a little worse because at least Gypsy had a reaction. Talk about reaction. Abuse. Okay. You know, she had a little reactive. Okay. We all agree she was a victim of her mom, this lady, just an influencer. Making content, humiliating somebody who's not doing well in life, like, insane. I am like, I know.

Trish (139:55)

I'm. I'm gags. What do you mean?

Moses (139:59)

That was crazy. And then they're, like, being filmed by, like, paparazzi from far away. Like, Gypsy looks good. I will give it to her. Her body, her veneers, her wig. She is. She got that money. She got that money coming in. I don't like that girl. I don't like her. That Natalie. I. I guess it's another thing again, like, move past something and, like, whatever. Maybe you made a lapse in judgment, like, Logan Paul or something. Me multiple times. But, like, then you, like, double down on it. I don't know. Don't like it.

Trish (140:26)

I'm so. I can't. My mind can't even. What is going on? Is she Mormon to, like, what Is it like. I was gonna say, like, it is kind of giving something that would be on more on Montauk or something. What do you mean?

Moses (140:38)

I know. I don't know why this clap happened.

Trish (140:40)

I was gonna say. Chip, Chip, what are we. I don't think she's the kind of girl you should be collabing with right now.

Moses (140:45)

I think Gypsy is rogue now. I don't think she has, like, a publicist or anything. She doesn't have her show anymore because she had sent me a dm and I think she was sending it, like, generic. Like, why. She was, like, pitching herself, like, why should she be a good guest on the podcast? I think she probably sent out to multiple people, but I think she's trying to make, like, her own comeback, I suppose the artistry.

Trish (141:02)

Remember she didn't she go off to be an artist?

Moses (141:05)

Yes. And then she kind of disappeared. And, you know, like, again, a body transformation does wonders. We always say this when someone comes back and, like, lost a little weight. Like, people do seem to really love that. You know, they, like, love it. But I think collabing with this girl, we're like, let's.

Trish (141:17)

It's a setback. It's definitely a setback.

Moses (141:20)

Maybe she was, like, clapping with, like, Whitney Levitt or something. You know, like, it levels up.

Trish (141:23)

I thought Whitney would do it, but I know. I'm sure Jen Affleck would do it.

Moses (141:27)

So that's a good one. Yes, yes. That one's kind of a little controversy,

Trish (141:32)

but, like, at the end of the day, it's just like a drama. Nothing crazy, you know?

Moses (141:36)

Yeah. Humiliating another human being.

Trish (141:40)

That's. I can't. My brain can.

Moses (141:42)

It's crazy. I know. And they did so many tik toks. They were doing, like.

Trish (141:46)

I know. I just went to go look and. Oh, my God, literally, they had a whole content day. It always tickles me. When comes to it, influencers do content days together where it's like, okay, we're gonna film for five hours and we're gonna do like eight tick tocks. So bring 10 outfits.

Moses (141:57)

Yeah.

Trish (141:57)

It's like, okay. Okay.

Moses (141:58)

It is kind of wild. I mean.

Trish (142:00)

I mean, time efficient, I suppose, but.

Moses (142:03)

No, it's. It's smart. I don't dog it. It's such a. It's such an interesting. I couldn't imagine being an influencer, like, now. It is such a different world. It's such a business, too. I guess you just gotta get the most of it. You're gonna be. I mean, she doesn't live in la. So she's in la. So she's like, can she travel outside the state? I thought she was on, like, what's it called? Parole. She off parole now?

Trish (142:24)

Is she on parole? It's been so long since we covered Gypsy.

Moses (142:29)

I guess. Yeah, I guess. I don't know how long pearls last.

Trish (142:32)

Oh, June 24, 2025. It ended.

Moses (142:34)

Oh, okay. That sounds right.

Trish (142:35)

Yeah. So she's, she's free woman. Yeah, we jip ship. Listen, we got especially. We just have the, the, the Gypsy Rose files just come out, what, a couple months ago.

Moses (142:44)

All right.

Trish (142:45)

And those were all like the sounds and stuff. So I think we got a distance. Distance. We gotta distance ourselves. You're right.

Moses (142:50)

They use the sounds.

Trish (142:51)

I was like, Like a pair, right? Yeah.

Moses (142:55)

Too soon, too soon. It's never gonna be enough time. Yeah, well, let's never use those sounds from those tapes.

Trish (143:01)

Like those to go. And I love reclaiming them. We love reclaiming the memes here. We love it. You know, but this is. I think this is one where it's

Moses (143:08)

like you burned your mom and set your friend up also to do that. So now he's in life in prison, but you're out and you're making jokes.

Trish (143:14)

Yeah. So I think we gotta, we gotta ditch that one. If it was froyo. If it was like, you know, the sugar free froyo. That's one thing.

Moses (143:20)

If it's poo.

Trish (143:21)

Yes. Like so many other one. I'm getting a divorce. Like, there's so many like memes out there that are light hearted enough. Like what the one where she was like, what did she say to her? That one guy where, oh, the D is amazing or whatever.

Moses (143:35)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trish (143:36)

Six of those memes. You know what I mean? This one, I don't know. I don't know.

Moses (143:42)

Bad. All of this was bad. But I guess when you're already at the bottom, there's nowhere else to go because you're already there. Especially that Natalie. Like, it's like, that's the thing. It's like, oh my God, like, do we have to just keep being bottom of the barrel? It's like, I don't know her fan base. I don't know her lore. Like, outside of that. I don't know if she's growing and changing, but obviously not too much. I think that's the thing is like, then when you can. Yeah. Make light of a series and kind of like the Taylor, Frankie, Paul, not go back to it. But like when people discovered the tick tock, she made like two Days after when she did the chair throwing incident and she's like, note to self, don't throw things. You might end up going. You might see bright flashing lights outside your house. Like, girl, it's been a week. Like, like that part. It's just people don't like because it's very serious and it's not. It's not as light hearted as people are.

Trish (144:23)

Tick tockers. Okay, like, I am really starting to worry.

Moses (144:27)

Me too. I worry about it because I think about like my kids. I'm like, oh my God, like, what's the level of influence they're going to be then? Are they just going to be. I hope they're not. I hope robots take over. Is that okay to say? It's not A.I. i don't know, like a little robot kid from that Zendaya show. You're a robot, so start acting like a kid. I was like. And she's like, you bag of flesh. I was like, what the hell is this show? But I don't mind that idea that she looked real in that girl on that show. Yeah, it's. I don't think. Yeah, I think they're all diabolical. I don't know. Is there any, like, is there any good tick tockers there out there, like doing good? I mean, there's obviously people who are entertaining.

Trish (145:03)

Oh my God, there has to be. And I, I can't think of one right this moment. I know there are some.

Moses (145:09)

We lost. Who was it? Was it beauty to the streets?

Trish (145:13)

Yes.

Moses (145:13)

Oh, we never talked about her. She.

Trish (145:15)

That was like last month, right?

Moses (145:17)

It was maybe a few months ago. Or like. Yeah, she. Oh, I loved hers. She would. All her content was her literally handing out like food and cans of pop pops to like, people in like, you know, in really bad areas, like la. Like people that are unhoused or like on drugs and they would line up and then she'd give them like hygiene packets. It was like, love that content. I wish more. And she was like so good. She was like doing all the time. And ah, like, we need people like that. And like, where are those, where are those influencers? Not around.

Trish (145:47)

Yeah. I mean we can barely get an angel tree out of the girls around Christmas time.

Moses (145:51)

That is true. That is true.

Trish (145:52)

The angel tree drama.

Moses (145:54)

No, is that Michaela who didn't do

Trish (145:55)

an angel tree and Jaclyn Hill?

Moses (145:58)

I mean, okay. And it's like, I didn't do angel tree, but I did Trisha Food for you does account. Do you know what I mean? Like, not to defend them. But it's like, maybe they donate another way. We'd love an angel tree. We do those. I just didn't know, like, how you sounds like. Well, I was doing Trisha food for you at the time. So I was like, okay. And you know what? Some people followed up. I love the people brought up. I sent you a picture of the one that got their son a bed who was like, because you never know. Sometimes you have money. People, like, maybe they're just scamming you or whatever. But. But there's one who need. Her son needed a bed. And then she just. A follow up, like, here's his bed. I was like, oh, thank you for the follow up, because I never get those, so. And again, it's like picking and choosing. Okay, Michaela and Jacqueline didn't do it, but did we go for Becca Bloom? Did she do it? Maybe she did do it. I don't know. But, you know, there's so many well to do influencers that were like, did they all do angel trees? I don't think you have to hold that so much against. I like it. But

Trish (146:44)

I think with Michaela, not to bring her up again, but she did tell everyone she was going to do all these angel trees. And then she said, like, you guys, I would. Why do I have to make a video on doing an angel tree if I don't want it? I don't need to. But you just told us you were going to do it. And you also just did your $100,000 haul, like, two weeks ago. Yeah, sorry, Michaela, but that is kind of the tea there.

Moses (147:01)

Michaela is our favorite hypocrite. She is queen of double standard, and I'm okay with it until she does something crazy. Okay. And then there. There's stools flying or something.

Trish (147:10)

So she's collabing with what's her name? Gypsy or the other one.

Moses (147:13)

Oh, yeah. Natalie's worst. I don't know anyone who would. Except for Gypsy. Poor Gypsy. Honestly, in that case, I'm kind of like, oh, girl. Even in the listen, don't judge. When she's listening to her, she's like, I don't know if Gypsy knew. I think in that moment, she's like, what the.

Trish (147:26)

I didn't know that was happening.

Moses (147:28)

Yeah, she gave a little side eye. And then now's like, we don't judge. I was like, I don't know. And if Gypsy Rose is judging your poor decisions, I think that is where we need to get off the line. People are, who's the other One that makes. What's it named? Livy. The one that makes the content of how to stay skinny and not eat. There was something with her too. She's like. I think her name's Libby Dunn or something.

Trish (147:49)

Okay. I was gonna say, is it Livy Dunn?

Moses (147:51)

I think so.

Trish (147:51)

Okay.

Moses (147:52)

And she just tells people how to like not eat. And it's just like, what is wrong with these people? Like, how are they allowed on here? Like, that's like literally such dangerous, harmful behavior. Whereas like this is what I do when I feel hungry and how I don't eat, how I stay skinny. It's like so up and like, I don't know. She. She shames so many people's bodies. It's like, who's. Is anyone body shaming her? You know what I mean? It's just like that doesn't look good either. Like, I don't know, I just feel like someone needs to tell her and the people watching all this bad information that. That also doesn't look good. Like you starving yourself is not a cute look. It doesn't look good. And I just hate that misinformation. I hate that people like look up to her for that weird. It. Don't do it. You need to eat three meals a day. What?

Trish (148:34)

She was sponsored by raising gains.

Moses (148:36)

Who?

Trish (148:37)

Let me not. No, I. Cuz I. I know the name, but I haven't seen any of her.

Moses (148:42)

Stop it. What is it? What is. I want to see what that is. What is the raisin gain sponsorship.

Trish (148:46)

Don't be a chicken. Take a dip. It's her eating raising canes in a po.

Moses (148:56)

What? What the actual. What is that to me is actually so. I hate it. I hate it. Okay, well. What the. This girl makes her living telling people to like not eat and stay skinny girl. Oh gosh.

Trish (149:14)

She had a whole deal. Oh. She had a cardboard cutout at raising canes across the nation. She asked people to take photos with her cardboard cutout. All the canes.

Moses (149:23)

No.

Trish (149:24)

Yes.

Moses (149:24)

No. Yeah.

Trish (149:25)

No. Slaw extra. Libby.

Moses (149:28)

She's literally telling people not to eat. That's her whole brand. And she gets a brand dealer eating. I hate it. I do hate this. I. I hate it. I hate that so much. It actually might be the most diabolical thing we've talked about. All topics. That's crazy. Is this recent.

Trish (149:43)

Last year. Last summer.

Moses (149:45)

Oh my God. Because she got came up again about talking about basically promoting eds and I'm like, I hate this.

Trish (149:52)

What is going on in the world? Oh, she just posted. Sorry, I was mean. To you. I was just hungry. Oh, she. She has a lot of food sponsorships for someone.

Moses (150:02)

That's crazy. Yeah. Oh, my God. I. Okay.

Trish (150:05)

Oh, and she's on Baywatch. Oh, my God. What?

Oscar (150:08)

Oh, is that it?

Moses (150:09)

Is that what I heard? That's maybe where I heard that her name again. And I was like, I can't. I'm retiring. I'm officially going to retirement.

Trish (150:23)

What the hell is going on, you guys? What? Be Serious challenge. You guys were failing. We're failing the Be Serious challenge.

Moses (150:29)

You know, everyone is on that, though. You know that Lugu's nerdy that I always talk about from tall girl who dates that.

Trish (150:33)

Kirby's on there, too.

Moses (150:34)

He's a new one. She. Kirby's like, my boyfriend's a new lifeguard on this. I'm like, oh, my God. Everyone's a lifeguard on there.

Trish (150:39)

Everyone's a damn lifeguard.

Moses (150:40)

Everyone's a damn lifeguard except for us.

Trish (150:42)

Not even a drowning victim in the damn show.

Moses (150:45)

Maybe they're still filming you would be good, actually, if you were drowning and Noah Beck comes and saves you. That's kind of everything. I feel like that was like a Baywatch plot line. Like a hot guy saved. Like a intellectual guy.

Trish (150:58)

An intellectual guy.

Moses (150:59)

Glasses.

Trish (151:01)

An intellectual guy is crazy. I thought you were gonna say a gay guy.

Moses (151:07)

I don't think they did that in the 90s. I don't think they were putting gay men on TV. When did that start? We're kind of progressive. I feel. I feel like back in the day, they're like, no gays.

Trish (151:17)

Yeah, T. I mean, maybe Will and Grace. That's like the first one I really remember.

Moses (151:22)

And then they had to make them, like, super gay.

Trish (151:23)

Yeah. Actually, no.

Moses (151:24)

Will was not so good. I never watched it.

Trish (151:26)

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Moses (151:27)

He was more like.

Trish (151:27)

Jack was the more flamboyant one. Yeah.

Moses (151:30)

Now he has a diabolical podcast with two straight guys. You really failed us, Jack. I do. I know. I've never seen the show, but the clips I've seen, I do like Jack and what's her name?

Trish (151:40)

Karen.

Moses (151:40)

Yeah. Yeah, her name was Karen. Awfully didn't age well. Wow. I'm. That's. Wow. That's the real uproar. We need Living Cane being sponsored by Living Dunn. Being sponsored by raising canes.

Trish (151:51)

That is crazy.

Moses (151:52)

That's crazy.

Trish (151:55)

I just had a racing cane's yesterday, too. What the hell?

Moses (151:58)

Me too. I got the leprechaun lemonade. All right, Well, I don't even know where to go

Trish (152:07)

pre order my memoir

Moses (152:13)

Crying on the kitchen floor. You guys, there's. Oh, I thought you were, like, holding your head in shame down there. He was, like, going like this. I was like, oh, okay. I was like, wow.

Trish (152:24)

No association.

Moses (152:25)

No association. You have a good chapter in there. You have a couple chapters.

Trish (152:30)

I was gonna say just one, actually.

Moses (152:32)

That was what I know from the publisher. I was like, you could maybe, like, in, like, put more into, like, the happy ending. I was like, yeah, you're probably right.

Oscar (152:37)

Happy. I made it into the book.

Moses (152:39)

You made it into the book. It's good. A lot of people made it to the book. The book is. The book is here. All right. All this is for entertainment purposes only, you guys.

Trish (152:49)

Unless you're dad talk or Dakota.

Moses (152:53)

I don't know. Who cares? I mean, I care. I care about the ch.

Oscar (152:55)

Children.

Moses (152:55)

Maybe we should care more. We love you guys. Thanks for being here on a. On a Tuesday. I love Tuesdays. They're just the best. Taco Tuesdays. That's what we do in this house.

Trish (153:08)

You don't eat tacos.

Moses (153:09)

Well, I do now. I got to Give me that langua. You know, I eat it all day long. Give me that beef tongue now. I eat tacos. I love tacos. All right. That's it.

Oscar (153:22)

Yeah. Join us on Patreon. We'll get some juicy stuff.

Moses (153:26)

Okay. Moses is promising it, not us. See you guys there. Bye.