Nov 20, 2025 with Jeff Wittek

Summary

Just Trish Podcast — Nov 20, 2025

Guest: Jeff Wittek
Host: Trisha Paytas
Date: November 20, 2025
Listen on YouTube

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Episode Overview

In this candid and hilarious episode, Trisha welcomes YouTuber, barber, and personality Jeff Wittek. Fresh from his own turbulent journey of rehab, self-discovery, and personal reinvention, Jeff dives into mental health, addiction, and rediscovering purpose—all while keeping things light with stories of New York, Broadway, food, and, in classic 'Just Trish' fashion, plenty of offbeat banter. The conversation traverses everything from showbiz insecurities to genuine advice for those struggling, peppered with memorable moments, self-deprecating humor, and Trisha’s signature oversharing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jeff’s Disappearance & Healing Journey (10:34–29:25)

• Rehab & Addiction: Jeff opens up about hitting rock bottom, disappearing from the public eye to attend a bootcamp/ayahuasca rehab in Mexico to deal with self-destructive tendencies, addiction, and mental health ([10:34]).

  "I don't want to come in with that victim mentality, but hey, you know, when you're a victim of something, there's nothing you can really do to get away from it." — Jeff, [10:44]

• Ayahuasca & Plant Medicine: He discusses the program’s alternative, plant-based approach—using ibogaine, ayahuasca (which “didn’t work” for him), and frog poison DMT for mental reset and spiritual breakthrough ([11:43]–[13:25]).
• Rocky Withdrawal: Jeff details how withdrawal led to hallucination, aggressive outbursts, sleep deprivation, and how he ended up physically confronting (but not harming) his shaman ([15:15]).

  “I attacked him like 10 times in the rehab…Luckily, he was a big Mexican dude, a tough marine.” — Jeff, [15:40]

• Spiritual Awakening: Both Trisha and Jeff compare notes on their respective breakdowns, spiritual moments, and how meditation, plant medicine, and self-reflection have changed their outlooks ([12:35], [13:07]).

2. Life, Anxiety & Recovery Tips (28:04–34:52)

• New Coping Mechanisms: Jeff now faces anxiety and life challenges “without a crutch” like pills or substances, relying on acceptance, giving anxiety to "God," and embracing discomfort ([28:04]).

  “Now, like, when I have anxiety, I’m just like, okay, this is part of life. … I don’t have a crutch anymore.” — Jeff, [28:04]

• Running as Meditation: Jeff chooses running as a form of mental reset, equating it with meditation for zoning out and achieving “runner’s high” ([30:23]).
• Advice to Younger Selves: Jeff asks Trisha what she'd say to herself during her darkest period; both agree: you can’t always reach someone in crisis, but time, treatment, and getting offline are vital ([33:34]).

3. Broadway, Acting, & Social Media Pressures (02:22, 05:35, 59:18)

• Broadway Experiences: Trisha shares her excitement about her Broadway debut and how the environment is different from previous acting work ([05:35], [59:18]).
• Star Power, Training, & Criticism: She admits to not having formal acting training, credits her passion and prep, and addresses criticism about her landing major roles ([06:18]).
• Influencer Fatigue: Both discuss the ongoing pressure and toxicity of social media; Trisha muses on wanting to retire from social media in favor of traditional performance ([59:00]).

4. Food, Nostalgia & New York-Life Banter (41:42–44:37)

• Food Debates: Lively debate about New York vs. Chicago pizza, fake parmesan cheese, “chicken rolls,” and childhood food nostalgia ([42:52]).

  “My body, as I was growing from a small child into a man, I'm built off of chicken rolls.” — Jeff, [44:17]

• Tourist vs. Local: Jeff and Trisha trade takes on tourist attractions in their respective cities ([41:24], [41:45]).

5. Work, Barbering, & Staying Grounded (09:32, 61:58)

• Giving Back: Jeff talks about his Staten Island barber shop, mentoring local kids, and how having a trade gives him a sense of grounding unlike online fame ([09:32], [61:58]).

  “For me, it’s cutting hair. … I have the barbershop show but I also have the hair products and I still cut hair. … You’ll never be homeless, you know, you can always cut hair.” — Jeff, [61:58]

6. Mental Health, Addiction, and Social Stigma (22:05, 37:29)

• Honesty About Substances: Jeff warns about dangerous legal drugs like Kratom and the risks of dependence, explaining their marketing and personal impact ([22:05]).
• Stigma & Self-Acceptance: Trisha and Jeff reflect on changing attitudes toward body image (Ozempic discussion), influencer culture, and finding contentment beyond public approval ([57:17], [58:19]).
• Cycles of Rock Bottom: Jeff voices frustration at life's recurring lessons and setbacks, yet frames them as necessary for growth ([37:29]).

7. Humor, TV, and Pop Culture (46:15–54:50)

• Physical Comedy: Trisha’s stories about breaking chairs on Broadway and elsewhere lead to a discussion of “The Chair Company” on HBO—satirizing dramatized failure ([46:15]).
• Obsession With On-Screen Penises: The hosts parse why male nudity is often played for laughs on TV compared to female nudity, exploring TV double standards and personal discomfort ([50:09], [52:52]).
• Show Recommendations: Jeff raves about shows featuring Trisha’s niche humor (“I Love LA,” "Righteous Gemstones," “Eastbound & Down”), and they dissect what makes content memorable ([48:39], [49:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Plant Medicine & Recovery:

  "I didn't like...the drugs they give you to get off drugs. ...I was like, I don't want to do more drugs. I'm kind of just done. ...But they said, well, it's part of the program. ...It resets your brain chemistry..." — Jeff, [10:44–11:43]

• On Destructive Patterns In Crisis:

  “I was trying to fist fight the guy that was like, my shaman. ...Luckily he was a big Mexican dude...he was restraining me in a way, like, without leaving marks and stuff.” — Jeff, [15:40]

• On Gaining Perspective After Rock Bottom:

  “Now when I have anxiety, I’m just like, okay, this is a part of life. ...I don’t have a crutch. ...So it’s just, you’re gonna live your life or you’re not.” — Jeff, [28:04]

• On Dealing With Adversity:

  “Every time I end up in jail or something, I’m like, God, why do you keep putting me back here?” — Jeff, [37:36]

• On Broadway & Training:

  “I think that's why people were maybe upset at the casting at first, because yeah, these people do train their whole lives. ...And no, I'm just a fan.” — Trisha, [06:18]

• On Food & Growing Up:

  “My body, as I was growing from a small child into a man, I'm built off of chicken rolls.” — Jeff, [44:17]

• On Mental Health & Getting Help:

  “But the help only worked because I wanted to get better. ...You gotta be like, I'm ready to, you know, change my life.” — Jeff, [37:09]

• On Social Media & Contentment:

  “I do love the acting era too. ...There might be a day where I retire from social media and just—” — Trisha, [59:00]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:02 – Why Jeff disappeared from the public eye
• 10:34 – Opening up about trauma and recovery: rehab, ayahuasca, and addiction
• 13:07 – Trisha’s 2021 spiritual awakening and coping strategies
• 15:40–16:43 – Hallucinations, withdrawal, and physical altercations in rehab
• 21:00 – Debating plant-based vs. traditional addiction treatments
• 28:04 – Facing life and anxiety without medication
• 33:34 – Advice to their younger selves in crisis
• 41:42–44:17 – Food nostalgia: NY vs. LA, real vs. fake parmesan, chicken rolls
• 46:15 – Breaking chairs and the absurdity of physical comedy
• 50:09–53:34 – TV nudity and why male bodies are played for laughs
• 57:17–58:40 – Ozempic, body image, and shifting standards
• 61:58 – The importance of having a trade and giving back
• 64:07 – Broadway, acting aspirations, and the current state of theater

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Overall Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is deeply personal while maintaining irreverent, self-mocking energy. Both Jeff and Trisha are unusually candid, blending serious discussion of trauma, recovery, and mental health with the kind of side-splitting, rambling anecdotes fans love. They’re unafraid to poke fun at themselves, discuss societal taboos, and shine a light on the confusing mix of hope and chaos that comes with reinventing yourself in the public eye.

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Final Thoughts

Jeff’s honest account of his journey through addiction and recovery offers insight and hope. Trisha’s reflections on her own struggles highlight how far she’s come while showing empathy for those still in the trenches. Listeners looking for real, raw talk about mental health and creative reinvention—served with a heavy helping of pop culture, foodie talk, and classic Trisha/Jeff banter—will not want to miss this one.

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Next up: The pod swap continues on Jeff FM!

Transcript

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

I used it the other day. I got in a fistfight yesterday. Why?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so you disappeared.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Oh, you want to get right into that trauma vulnerability. But with you, I don't know, I feel comfortable. I feel like this can help people. Like I went through this and it sucked. But I do believe everything happens for a reason. Her name is Trish.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's got the.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's a little too early. I like to podcast later when my brain starts working, but you know. Good morning America. Welcome to just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Trish, I'm so proud of you for being up. I was 8:15 when I was in my car to get here from Manhattan. Where are you coming from?

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm coming from Staten island from my parents house.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my. Oh, are you staying with them?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're in New York. I'm so excited to be here on your.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's the best, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like island.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, it's cold now. How you dealing with the cold?

[Trisha Paytas]

I love it. I love cold because my face like freezes in it. Like it's good for your skin. I love the cold.

[Jeff Wittek]

The deep puffer. Yeah, I feel puffy today.

[Trisha Paytas]

You look great. You were like, I'm self conscious. I'm like, but you actually look amazing.

[Jeff Wittek]

That was me fishing for compliments. Thank you. It works.

[Trisha Paytas]

Good. How are you feeling?

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm good. I'm excited for this episode. It's always good to see you. Very highly anticipated episode. I told you. I was at the dog park and I met one of your fans that went to your show and she said you were killing it. You did so great.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. So just a random person came up to you was like, yeah, well, dog.

[Jeff Wittek]

Park ain't regular people. That's all the homies, you know, they meet up at 9am every day walking their dogs. This woman, she brings treats for my dog specifically because I have a little French bulldog. And she. She'll bring. It's the craziest thing. She brings treats for him specifically. Not even for her own dog. She's like, no, no. Everybody stop. These are just for Goose.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Favoritism.

[Trisha Paytas]

Goose I met Goose. Goose I met. Right?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. I love it. So she's just like, oh, I came to like, Trisha show.

[Jeff Wittek]

She went to your show and she did the research for me because I haven't gone to your show yet, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

I heard trying to get you.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's. I've never been to a Broadway show in my life. You know, I've lived in New York. I grew up here, but I never went to a Broadway show. Maybe I went to the Lion King once, but I was probably a child. I don't really remember.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Tana 2 was her first show last night. It was her first Broadway show.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She never got. It's so crazy. Like, you are from New York.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know, but it's just not something that me and my friends did.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, you don't love a musical.

[Jeff Wittek]

I. I'm not a big fan of musicals, but if you're in it, I want to go see it. I'm gonna go tonight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you actually gonna come?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's two and a half hours of musical that you're. You at, like, halfway. Come halfway, I'll show up late.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I saw.

[Jeff Wittek]

I saw a tick tock of you. Like, you were like pulling up and they were like, trisha showing up. 20 minutes for curtain call. Oh. And I was like, that is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. First of all, our call time is 30 minutes before. If. If the show's at 7, you have to be there at 6:30. So you only have to be there half hour early. So I was like, literally right at 6:30 running into the theater. And it was only because that block was closed. I'm very, like, new to New York in general. I take cars.

[Jeff Wittek]

You were walking like a New Yorker. You were speed, huh? Were you a little stressed in that moment?

[Trisha Paytas]

Because it was closed. Like, it's. It's on. It's on 47th and 7th. And so whatever block they dropped me off, I don't know what it was, 6th street or something. It was completely closed because they were, like, drilling and stuff, so I had to, like, walk. Like, I had, like, hightail at two blocks, and I'm not a walker. Like, if it says it's gonna take five minutes to get somewhere walking it, literally. I'm not joking. Takes me, like, 15 minutes to get there. So, yeah, I was. I was on time. If the car would have dropped me off right in front, would have been, like, five minutes early. But that. I do not like people filming me from the back, ever. At Bryant park, too. Someone's behind me and Moses, and it's like, him. He's showing me something on his phone, and they're just, like, taking a picture.

[Jeff Wittek]

Anyway, where is Moses?

[Trisha Paytas]

He's with the kids.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, that's true. Yeah. So that's. Well, who cares if you're late? You're raising a family. You're doing two shows a week. Podcasts, you're doing Tick tocks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

You can post on your main channel. I saw you put up a music video.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, I've been. I've been trying to be busy.

[Jeff Wittek]

What the hell? But, yeah. So you showed up late to your first. Is it true that they make the. The actors do their own makeup? I. I read that somewhere. Do you get special treatment?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, no, no. They do, but they offer to help, too. There's a makeup and hair person, and they will offer, but a lot of people, like, prefer to do their own.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I do have. They're really, really sweet, and they do help me out with my makeup and stuff like that. But it's not like, star treatment. It's like, anyone could just get it if they need help with their hair.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. So what's the difference with Broadway and, like, all the traditional acting stuff you did?

[Trisha Paytas]

I haven't done too many traditional acting. It's just literally euphoria and Broadway. So that's my only acting gigs I've ever done. And obviously Euphoria was great, but, like, Broadway is, like, live. Like, it's every night, and.

[Jeff Wittek]

And I have, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do have a small part, but I do think I, like, make every second count.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, the dog park saying that you're immersed in your role, whatever that means. Yeah. She said that you sang great. Even my mom was like, she sings and dances and all that. Like, where did she learn that? Oh, and I was like, I guess she just. She just watches stuff and does it because she was. My mom was curious if you went to, like, professional training to be on Broadway. That's like, what do you go to Juilliard or something? Is that just in the movies?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, and I think that's why people were maybe upset at the casting at first, because, yeah, these people do train, like, their whole lives.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And no, I just. I'm just a fan. I'm just a fan. And like. Yeah, no, I. And I. I did take lessons prior. Like, I've been taking activ.

[Jeff Wittek]

You're just naturally gifted with this type of stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I wouldn't say that either. I think I just have a lot of passion. I have a lot.

[Jeff Wittek]

Or you just have that blind confidence where you just don't give a. At all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Both of that and passion and, like, a little talent. I'm not gonna. Like, totally, but it's not like Broadway. They're, like, insane.

[Jeff Wittek]

But. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is your mom gonna come tonight?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, she. They left. They had. Somebody died in the family, but they were old. You know what happens. So they had to go down to Florida for a funeral or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that what you're going tomorrow for?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I'm going for a concert. And for. It's not. Look, it's. They're closer with the person that passed away. He's like. I think he's. I'm related to him through marriage, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, okay. Rip. Uncle Bill.

[Trisha Paytas]

Real name.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

But Bill's a vague name, you know, who knows if I'm being serious or not. But no, he. We definitely had a death in the family, and they're going down there for that. But I had a prior engagement. I. I have a job there. I'm going to give haircuts at a punk. Punk rock music festival.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one? What's it called?

[Jeff Wittek]

Tour. They built me a barbershop set inside the festival. Somebody giving artists and stuff Mohawks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know what you're doing?

[Jeff Wittek]

Probably, like, Young Gravy and Little Hoodie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are they punk rock? I don't know.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know. I think, like, I've read the flyer. Who's on it? I'll just message him before. But I also. It's like a fan experience, too, so I'll get to give, like, fans and stuff. Or, like, people that are at the festival just want to come in and get a mohawk. And they got that punching bag thing there where you get the high score, you hit it, and, like, I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Know what that is. You hit what you hit a punching.

[Jeff Wittek]

Bag, and it goes up to, like, a thousand. So you see how hard your punch is. That's the game.

[Trisha Paytas]

Weird game.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's weird for You. But it's right up my alley. I love that game. I had one in my house one time. It was a gift from a person we both know but won't bring them up. There's a stupid gift. I sold it after. Brought back bad memories.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, good, good. Get that negative energy out. Yeah, well, I guess it's good if you have like anger to get it out.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, it was great. I love it. And I love making sure that my punch powers on point, you know, because you never know when you're going to have to use it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're never gonna use it.

[Jeff Wittek]

I use it the other day. I got in a fist fight yesterday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why?

[Jeff Wittek]

Because it was my best friend that I grew up with and we went to the gym together. Went to a boxing gym and he doesn't know how to spar properly. So we were like, just like messing around. And then next thing you know, he's trying to kill me. But it's okay because I'm prepared for that actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or you're just like having fun.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I'm serious. Unfortunately, I have a lot of mentally ill friends. Everybody from Staten island, they just have like a weird thing in their blood. Maybe it's because we grew up next to the dumpster. So like the toxic fumes and toxic waste maybe came into our like our eating supply, water supply or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

The whole island?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I think it's like X Men. You ever see the mutants?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Jeff Wittek]

That they live by like the power plant?

[Trisha Paytas]

No idea.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I think I'm like Wolverine. Yeah, something. But like not in a good way. Like Wolverine's powers are good, like for mine. They just make me want to like go scam, like chase bank or something, you know, or like go rob a pharmacy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my. You're not going to do that.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, no, not anymore. Cuz I left the island. But that's what you do if you grew up there.

[Trisha Paytas]

You said last night I'm there now.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like mentoring kids and giving haircuts. I have a barber shop there on Staten island in my hometown.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's like.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. What do you mean? It's been a year.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't do no pop ups. It's the real deal. It's a real barber shop in Staten island and I shoot the show there too. I try to do episodes there, but it's a functioning like running business. So it's hard because, you know, there's like people actually getting haircuts there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I'm so sad. We literally would have come for like Moses because he has like long hair now and doesn't know what to do with it. And I'm like, I don't know, I.

[Jeff Wittek]

Could do it whenever. I'll be back here in a week after I concert.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're there for like the weekend or something like that. So fun.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. So I would love to give Moses haircut.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because he has like good hair but like doesn't know to with it. So you're in Florida.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's such a good name. I wish my name was Moses.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have Jeff. You know what? Jeff is a. It is a common name. There's like a bunch of Jeffs in my life. So every time I'm like, Jeff's coming to the show.

[Jeff Wittek]

Bezos, which Jeff Epstein. There's a lot of like scumbag gifs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're changing it.

[Jeff Wittek]

I wish like Moses is such a clean like sacred name, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Biblical.

[Jeff Wittek]

Biblical. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay. So you disappeared.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Oh, you want to get right into that. Yeah. Trauma, vulnerability.

[Trisha Paytas]

We have an hour because we're doing a pod swap today. So we have an hour.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So she's ready to get into it right away. Well, if you. Whatever you want to talk about, but.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, yeah, now you know the people on the deal over here. I don't want to come in with that victim mentality, but hey, you know, when you're a victim of something, there's nothing you can really do to get away from it. But I was screwed up bad a couple months ago and you know, luckily I had good friends around me to, to get a hold of it and they kind of caught me just being a real piece of like just self destructive mentality. Like I lost my whole purpose and I went away to get help. I went to like a boot camp, ayahuasca rehab and it was great. I. I didn't like, like the drugs that they give you to get off drugs. It's kind of weird because I was like, I don't want to do more drugs. I'm like kind of just done with drugs. I want to be back in control. I want to like, I like, you know, being myself. And they kind of just like, well, it's part of the program. So I was like, whatever, I'll try it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And it resets your brain chemistry. So like it made my brain feel like I did before I even used any drugs. If you can kind of understand what I mean by that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are they giving. Is the Iowa like methadone or something?

[Jeff Wittek]

So the ayahuasca. I'll be honest, I didn't feel it. I don't know if it's just because my brain was too powerful at the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

You weren't throwing up or anything?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I didn't throw up. They say you, like, throw up and you like yourself and all that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because that's, like, negative.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I was like, I don't want to do that. I don't like, oh, you know, I. I'm kind of good on all that. But they gave me this other stuff. You, like, smoke this frog poison. That's like dmt. And that made me, like, have, like, a spiritual breakthrough. I don't want to get too deep into it and start preaching stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I please. No. This is what I, like, need to know. I had a spiritual awakening in 2021, so I need to know.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, it changed my entire life. And not. I wasn't smoking frog poison, but, like, I want to know about.

[Jeff Wittek]

How did it come about for you? Did it just happen naturally?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I had, like. I was in a psychosis, and I literally was just like, I, like, I, like, my whole thing was like, I, like, reached out. Like, I literally had to, like, reach out, like, to, like, it. It was a weird thing. I was in sky. Like, I was in psychosis, and I was, like, having this breakdown, and then I really just, like, had to, like, reach up, and I, like, reached up and I was like, anything, anything, anything. And I really just felt like a universal pull. It's a whole thing, too, but I need to know about yours. Like, it became meditation. It became, like, just. I couldn't go on the Internet for. So for seven hours a day, I would just sit in silence.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's good, though. No, that you weren't on the Internet, probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah, I was just. That's when I was, like, meditating on TikTok and people were throwing tomatoes at me. But I will say I remember that time. Yeah. But I was being so serious because, like, I had to make money and keep going, but I also needed to be in silence. So I was just, like, live meditating.

[Jeff Wittek]

But anyways, that's how I feel kind of right now. Like, should I be back on the Internet so soon? Because I was just in a psychosis episode about two months ago. Like, I was legit, like, hallucinating, like, repeating. I was, like, telling I would probably repeat stuff. I'll probably repeat stuff on this podcast still. But that's just because I'm an idiot. But, yeah, I was in bad shape and, like, I was. I remember when I first got to this place, I was like, trying. They give you this stuff called eyeball gain. Let me slow down because it's like so many things I want to tell you at once. So it's like three different things that they give you. And I was like, well, why. Why do I have to take more drugs to get off drugs? Why can't I just go there? And, like. Because I was already done with it. Like, I was probably. I wasn't, like, withdrawing or detoxing when I got there, but I was still, like, malnourished. I was taking pills to go to sleep for the past few years. I was on benzos and stuff. Antidepressants I was on, that just messed up my brain chemistry. I wasn't myself for the past few years. I lost my creativity. I stopped editing the videos and really writing and prepping for things. I was just going through the motions of life and I was in a real bad spot with the drugs or not. Like, I needed some sort of mental reset or, like, I don't know, I just wasn't happy. Like, my brain was foggy every day when I was waking up and they tell me about this place and I'm like, well, why, if these drugs are like, like, why aren't they legal? Why don't the pharmacies or, like, doctors here use them? And they told me that this could be a conspiracy, but they told me that, like, the drugs that you use there, you won't have to take them again. So, like, pharmaceutical companies in the us they don't make money on that, so why would they, you know, introduce people to that? Because then you're going to cure everybody and then they won't have to be hooked on these Suboxone and like all other antidepressants that they constantly have to keep taking. Because I would have been dependent on those meds for the rest of my life. They told me, don't ever get off antidepressants. You'll die or some seizure. So I was, like, listening to that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And when I get down to this place, they take you off everything. So I was like, okay, cool, let's try that out. You know, it's been like, since the accident, I've been on antidepressants. So I haven't felt what I feel like normally since then. And in the beginning, when I first got off everything, I started going nuts. I was like, I started hallucinating. I was trying to fist fight the guy that was like, my shaman. I attacked him like 10 times in the. In the rehab.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, and what do they do they restrain?

[Jeff Wittek]

You're like, luckily, he was a big Mexican dude and, like a tough marine. And he's a jiu jitsu, like. Like a high level jiu jitsu guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

He competes.

[Jeff Wittek]

So he was me up. Not me up, but restraining me in a way, like, without leaving marks and stuff. He was able to just do, like, these. I think he was, like, throwing me, like. Like those wrist throws. I was, like, flipping over.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you were, like, falling.

[Jeff Wittek]

I could be hallucinating. I was on a different planet when I took that ibogaine stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

But what were you. You were on some sort of drugs?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. So they give you this little dose and he's like, this will make you feel a little different, like a little weird for like, a couple hours. It lasted three days for me. Three days of, like, detox and all my mental demons and stuff. I needed an exorcist. I needed an exorcism at the time is what I needed, because my head was probably spinning around when I was trying to attack this guy. But then finally, after three days, I was able to sleep. And I think that's why I was so going so nuts, because I went, like six days with no sleep and I was really hallucinating. Yeah, it was bad because you were.

[Trisha Paytas]

Off the sleeping pills and antidepressants. So you were on both of those when you went down.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You off?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. And so then I couldn't sleep and I was. I was hallucinated from the ibogaine and like, just days and days of not sleeping. I think that's what causes psychosis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Or like. Like a hallucinogenic state is from, like, not sleeping. You ever see that movie Christian Bale, when he's like. He goes, like, weeks without sleeping. The machinist, he's all skinny. He's like his rib cage is popping out.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I mean, I've seen, like, pictures.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's what I looked like in Mexico. So no wonder why this guy was me up. I was so malnourished, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, this is in Mexico. That's what I'm trying to figure out, where you went. Okay. So you went to Mexico.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, in Mexico, at this. It was a beautiful resort.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

But yeah, you're just fasting and then taking these drugs and then they like put you on an NAD drip. So you're also getting healthy. And he'll take me to the gym and stuff, like throughout. It's not every day I'm just tripping and hallucinating, trying to fight everybody because I was there for two weeks.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was the withdrawal? Right?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, just that period or the eyeball gain or whatever. I don't even know. It's like a blur. It's another, like, hallucinogenic drug that resets your neurological pathways. So this is what worked for me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And I'll tell the story. I'm not telling people that AA doesn't work. If that works for you, then cool.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

But I had tried going to AAA and like doing cold turkey and it didn't work for me. And the way this stuff works, it's like they actually target the addiction in your brain and they try to cure it with these meds. And I know that's like a big no no for like AA people, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, whatever works. I mean, it's all different for people. I always do that too with like my like spiritual. I'm like, it works for me. Meditation. But I don't want to be like, you'll cure mental illness with meditation. Yeah, it like worked.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, you got to do what works for you. I had tried other stuff. It wasn't working for me. And I also have like ptsd. And that's a lot of the stuff they treat with the ayahuasca and all these like plant based medicines, which that's what they call it. I don't know. I think everything's plant based medicine. Cocaine comes from a plant, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Does it?

[Jeff Wittek]

Heroin comes from poppy seeds, you know, I guess everything comes from. But I'm like, I'm like contradicting my own point here. Yeah. Because I was asking him, like, wait, so I could do these plant drugs. I was like, is it cool if I smoke weed down the line, like a year from now if I want to smoke weed? And he was like, yeah, but don't be dependent on it. Like, these are plant based drugs. I was like, well, cocaine's a plant based drug. Can I do that?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy logic. But I love it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you. Oh, so you have like a. You're like an alcoholic.

[Jeff Wittek]

You would say, yeah, but I haven't drank and I. I never caved on the drinking. Even when I relapsed this last time, I just relapsed with, like, drugs from my doctor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And like, all the surgeries and stuff. I'll get on pain meds. And then I'm like, oh, well, I did pain meds. Then I walk into a smoke shop and they sell Kratom. And I'm like, oh, what's that? It's over the counter. It's from a plant.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's Kratom.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's like heroin. It's worse. People are dying from it now and they sell it in smoke shops. It's ridiculous. Don't ever take it. If you're listening, kids.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Wittek]

Don't ever buy anything in a smoke shop. Especially in la. They just let you sell anything that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never heard of that. That is wild. So how long were you down? Because you were off. How long were you down in Mexico for?

[Jeff Wittek]

Two weeks. So I did no podcast for two weeks. And I came back and I was like, rusty from. I might still be rusty, but did.

[Trisha Paytas]

You get right back to it when he came back?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, you have to. We got ads due. People need to hear where I'm at, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you talked about this on yours?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I talked about it, but I was with Mike, and Mike is a good friend. I know, like, on the Internet, sometimes he doesn't seem that genuine about certain things, but he really was a good friend in. In this situation. And when I came back, I was like, why the you trying to tell my story for me? Like, I couldn't. I don't know. I was too fresh. I didn't really want to go into it. But with you, I don't know. I feel comfortable. I feel like this can help people. Like, I went through this and it sucked. But I do believe everything happens for a reason. So I. When I had my spiritual awakening, you know, I was. So you smoke this, like, frog poison DMT thing. You inhale it and then you just, like, fall back. They have a mattress on the floor for you and you just, like, fall back. And then you're on a different planet. Like, you can't get up and go to the bathroom. That's why they make you fast. So the whole time down there, I was fasting and doing, like, this vegetarian diet. When I came off of it, I lost, like, 20 pounds. When I was there, I gained it back because I'm eating food in Staten Island.

[Trisha Paytas]

You look great now. Yeah. That's great.

[Jeff Wittek]

Thank you. Yeah, but that's just because the food here is so damn good. And I think I got an eating disorder from going to these places.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that part might be scary.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, yeah. But whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you were able to eat again. So wait, so you fall back.

[Jeff Wittek]

So you fall back and. And like, you, you lose control of yourself, which is not the type of high I like. If, if I ever did anything, I would like to just get a little high. You know, this, it takes over, like, you. And you need to surrender yourself to, like, you gotta, like, just go with the flow. You ever take mushrooms or anything like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And if you fight it, it sucks. Like, that's when you have a bad trip.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

So they tell you, like, don't fight this. Like, go with it. Yeah, and I did, but I was still fighting it. Even though I'm like, telling myself just, like, just accept it, you know, Just go with it. And like, I think while I was doing that, like, I'm still trying to lie even to myself in my head. And I'm like, why are you such a hard headed, like, liar? Just do, just accept it, you know? Like, and I don't know if it was like, religion or like, what am I trying to accept here as a God. Like, I think I believe in God. I think I'm religious. I was raised religious. But is this like, like, what are you trying to tell me? Do I have to be a priest or something? Like, I don't want to come back. I don't. I don't want to come out of this like a weirdo, you know, because, like, some people go and do ayahuasca or something like that, and they come back like, and weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I feel like the only one.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know a couple people. I'm not gonna say. Yeah, I don't know, there's some, some weirdos out there. Maybe I'm one of them now.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, you are very. This is the most complex I've ever seen you. But I think of, like, Catherine from the most.

[Jeff Wittek]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

You're very, like, calm and collected. Oh, when you came in, you're actually.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, I thought you said, conflicted. I've ever saw you.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, collected. And you know me, I usually, I like, yeah, you were like, any jobs day and I was like, there's something about you where there's like, no jabs taken. Like, you look great. You, like, you're like, energy is good. Like, I feel like before, like, I feel like I was combative because, like, energies can be a little like, tough or like weird or like put on or something like that.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And she's like, really clear.

[Jeff Wittek]

Maybe it made me gayer. Maybe that's what it is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, there you go.

[Jeff Wittek]

You had to ruin the moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

You had to ruin it.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was even thinking, like, what if I come out of this gay? You know that then I got it. Yeah, it's okay. And then I'm going to be the gayest in guy there is.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, that would be a plot twist.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yep.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never know. You never do know.

[Jeff Wittek]

I didn't come out of the gate. Okay. I don't think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thanks for the update.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know if that's possible, just to get that clear on record here before.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, sometimes when you have an awakening, you could not to say.

[Jeff Wittek]

But you always had the gayness in you then, a little bit at least.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or just realizing your true self. Like, I feel like I. I realized my truer self when I had a spiritual awakening. So like. Or like not knowing something's there. And not to say, like, again, not sexuality or could be, but you could be open to more things than you were before.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, now that I think about it, the first thing I said when I came out of it to my shaman, because he's the only guy there with you, and they're playing like, music, and they got that, you know that thing that they have on the tik tok shop all the time. It's like a tong, but they like hit it. And it's the vibrations. Yeah, stuff like that. The like, vibrations and the sounds. So all that stuff's going on and then I. I wake up, I come back, and like 10 minutes have gone by, but it felt like hours went by. And I was like, yo, what the. Like, I seen it. Like, I get it now. And he's like, just happy that I. I experienced it. He knows exactly what happened. And I was like, wait. I, like, I didn't know if he was God, the shaman or like, something.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I was like, yeah, like he was channeling something. So what did you get out of it?

[Jeff Wittek]

I was like, do I like. And I get it. Like, you know, you have like your. Your breakthrough and all that. I was like, damn, do I got to be a priest now? I asked the guy, I was like, I still want to have sex with women and stuff. And he was like, what are you talking about? You? All you got to do is like, stay sober and do the right thing in life. Like, yeah, what are have to be a priest? And he was like, you probably are saying that because you feel, like, the need to communicate to your audience and, like, you want to pass this along because you've been given a gift of communication. Your podcast. Maybe he just looked me up on Wikipedia and saw that I'm a podcaster and sold me this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, he probably. I mean, he probably knew. I mean, he probably look up anybody that comes in. Yeah, I don't think he was trying to, like, trick you or.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I'm just always thinking people are tricking me or trying to scam me or something. That's the Staten island in me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the trauma. Yeah, that too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Staten island trauma or influencer trauma or both. Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

So, yeah, he wasn't trying to get me or anything like that. He actually is a good guy, and he saved, like, a thousand people, so that's amazing.

[Trisha Paytas]

And how do you go about life differently now?

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, I'm not doing drugs. I'm not, like, you know, waking up and feeling the need to take a pill to be happy that day. I don't even have that thought. And then when I get anxiety now, I just, like, I don't really get as bad of anxiety. I still have issues with sleep sometimes, but I've always had problems sleeping, like, turning my brain off at night. I'm just too excited. I want to think and write and, like, do stuff. But I now, like, when I have anxiety, I'm just like, okay, this is a part of life. And they say, like, give it to God or stuff like that. Like, give the anxiety away. Like, it's. It's okay. Like, everyone's gonna be all right. And I've been thinking about that more. Like, I don't have a crutch. Like, I don't have pills or something if I'm anxious or going to an event or something. Like, I don't have anything. So it's just, you're gonna live your life or you're not. You're gonna, like, have to use chemicals to trick your brain and stuff. Just. I'm not. I don't even have the option of that anymore, so I don't have the thought. It used to be, like, oh, I take benzos once in a while. So, like, if I go on a plane, I need one if you. Your. Or whatever. I don't know. Like, if I was going skydiving, I'd be, like, taking a quarter of a. Or like, a little piece of a kalana pin, but I'm going skydiving. Enjoy that. Like, yeah, I'm inducing those. Like, that anxiety and nerves myself, you know, so I'm just learning again. Learning, relearning how to get through that stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because I would imagine the skydiving is what most people do for a high. Just naturally.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you're doing it with the pills.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was doing it, yeah. So not having any crutches anymore is nice, Having to just deal with life. Like, if I was locked up in a jail cell, you're not going to be having an anxiety attack, you know, you're just going to have to deal.

[Trisha Paytas]

With that sounds like an analogy. It's like.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, you're not going to die from anxiety.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Jeff Wittek]

You know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. That's very true. Have you ever tried, like, ashwagandha?

[Jeff Wittek]

Is that what you're gonna say?

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Jeff Wittek]

It'S like a natural anxiety med.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or something, I would say. And again, it works, like, for me, but maybe not for everyone. Like, and it sounds so stupid, like, when you do have anxiety, but, like, have you ever tried just like, clearing your mind?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you do any techniques to just be like, you know, like. Like visualize yourself on a beach or clouds, or, like, see birds flying and seeing your worries fly on a. Like the back of a bird away?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I kind of do that with running. I know it sounds crazy, but, like, when you run a lot, you could kind of just zone out to where it's like, not that difficult. And you're just like. That's why I like to run places that don't have, like, street lights and like, a curb or something. Like, you gotta. You could trip over. I don't know. I would, like, see a curb, but, like, I like to run on smooth, like, long surface for like 10 miles or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

That you wanted to trip over?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, no, I want to run, like, not have to think and just be like, that's my meditation. Where I could just, like, be anywhere, you know, called like, runner's high or something like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yeah. Walks are like that for me. Okay, so that is something you do. So I guess at night you just have to find, like.

[Jeff Wittek]

But for me, if I have curbs there and like, damn, I' trip on that, I get anxiety.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Jeff Wittek]

Or no. I'll be, like, thinking about it and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

What about just going on, like, a treadmill so you don't worry about curves?

[Jeff Wittek]

I like. Treadmills will get, like, boring after a while. I'll run on them. I don't hate them.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you just, like, watch a show because you watch TV and stuff.

[Jeff Wittek]

I've been wearing my metal Glasses and, like, running outside and, like, with people while I'm running.

[Trisha Paytas]

Those are meta glasses. Look like Ray Bans.

[Jeff Wittek]

They are Ray Bans. They have a little camera in them. See?

[Trisha Paytas]

So, like, are you filming? Can you film.

[Jeff Wittek]

How do you feel if you film it, the light goes on.

[Trisha Paytas]

You would never know.

[Jeff Wittek]

Do you know? Is the light on?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

So, yeah, now I'm filming.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so cool.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. What's the craziest drugs you ever tried?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, crazy.

[Jeff Wittek]

See, that's. That's, like, what I'll do to people. I'll mess with them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I see.

[Jeff Wittek]

But you didn't give me anything good. I gotta smash that light out.

[Trisha Paytas]

So people don't know what is crazy drugs even mean? People have asked me that and I'm like, I don't know. What is, like, a crazy drug?

[Jeff Wittek]

I guess I just talked about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, all that stuff.

[Jeff Wittek]

I never even heard first half of the episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I don't know about. Yeah, all that stuff.

[Jeff Wittek]

Would you ever go do ayahuasca or something? It's completely. Just change your brain. You're kind of in the best place you've been, I don't think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think now, but probably. Yeah, probably. Like, my low points. Had I knew way back about it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even I. Way back, 20, 21, probably I would have done it. I was, like, desperate. Like, I went into psychosis and I, like, cannot get myself out of it. And I literally was hitting my head against a wall and, like, literally just like, I could not stop hitting my head against a wall. And, like, I really think that altered my brain.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah? You think that fixed it?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Like, I don't recommend it because I was. I was deeply unwell.

[Jeff Wittek]

So many people right now bash their head against.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I, like, I couldn't stop it. Kind of like what you were saying. Okay. You were fighting the job and, like, I couldn't stop it. And that's when I was, like, reaching up. I remember reaching, reaching, reaching. And I just, like. Instead of, like, feeling angry, because I was always angry and everything came from anger. I started feeling, like, light. Like I was pulling down, like, the light in the world. And, like, it, like. I don't know. Then the next day, I just literally, like, I need to be on social media. And I, like, I did. I do talk to a therapist and stuff, but it was also, like, meditation. The therapist I went to was kind of like, not Buddhist, but it was, gosh, my Hare Krishna. Do you know Hare Krishna? Like, it's like.

[Jeff Wittek]

It sounds like it was in a Beatle song or something. Did they ever talk about that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it was a Beatles song. Moses told me that. Anyways. Yeah, they do, like, mantras and stuff like that. It's a little bit of Hindu. It's like. Anyways, there was a therapist who was like, Hinduism, like, basing told me about Hare Krishna and all these mantras and, like, the meditation of it also. That's why I was just, like, meditating for, like, eight hours a day too, and it, like, really helped. And meditation, you really can't have any thought in your mind.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And if you can, then you do a mantra. That's why you say the Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Hari, Hari. So you just, like, repeat it. So you, like, have that to focus on rather than, like, your thoughts.

[Jeff Wittek]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

But if you could. If you right now, at the height you're in your prime, all the success, Broadway, all your dreams are coming true. Euphoria. If you go back to that girl that was blasting her head into brick wall, why is my brain all screwed up? What would you tell her to be like?

[Trisha Paytas]

Ah, that's a good question.

[Jeff Wittek]

Everything's gonna be okay. Don't worry.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, hitting your head. Because honestly, no, like, it really did give me, like. I mean, I remember really talking about this to an extent, but I mean, I did. I was in, like, a, like. Like a not a not good state. I was like, kind of like a little bit.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

For a minute. But, yeah, I would be like, don't hit your head against wall. But also, like, honestly, why?

[Jeff Wittek]

What if the other Trisha back then was blasting her head off? She'd go, shut up. You don't know what I'm dealing with or something. And you keep hitting your head.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I guess you're right. In that capacity, like, I had to go through that to get to where I'm at now. So, like, yeah, I guess you're right. Like, there's nothing you can say to someone like that. I would tell her before the psychosis because I. I got a mental break where I could not get offline. I was, like, crying into my phone and screaming and, like, posting it on Twitter. I would literally be like, put the social media down for sure. Because, like, reading the comments, posting all of that was, like, not good. I thought, like, that was, like, my outlet, but it was not good for me. But you're doing really well. Like, you were like, oh, should I be on social media? But it's like, you're. I've never seen you, like, like, better. Like, it's really interesting.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's great. Well, I, I now it's like worn off. I kind of feel the same again. But just like talking to you now, like, thinking about that, like, what would you tell your old self? You're really just gonna say, like, stop doing that, like, everything's gonna be okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

Like, look at me in five years from now, six years from now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And that's really what the same I learned was like, just give that anxiety away to higher power because everything's planned out, everything's going to be all right. And you know, just stop stressing so much. Stop blasting your head off the wall. Stop comparing yourself to others on social media like you look at the, like, reels. Or you're like, oh, I got to be this, I got to be that. I got to stop eating. I got to, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Who gives a. Everything's. Everything's planned out, you know? Just go with the flow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Be all right.

[Trisha Paytas]

And also maybe just get help, it seemed like, because you went and got help somewhere. I went and got help somewhere.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I got help, but the help only worked because I wanted to get better. Yeah, it doesn't work if you're like, oh, I. I still love drugs, you know? Like, I can't really give them up. Let me just go to this place and see if it works. You got to be like, I'm ready to, you know, change my life.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think you have to be at, like, some rock bottoms.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It can happen, like, a bunch of times, and I feel like that.

[Jeff Wittek]

I just feel like I keep hitting rock bottom. Like, come on, how many more, like, life lessons do I need? But I guess I needed another one, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Every time I end up in jail or something, I'm like, God, why do you keep putting me back here, man?

[Trisha Paytas]

Look how long ago that was. When's the last time you were in jail?

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, a year ago. But that was just for weed. In the airport in Europe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

And that they were. I was, like, taking pictures with people in there. Like, the cop and stuff that did my mug shot. I took a picture with him after, you know, like, you recognized me. That was funny. It's weird that you're. I'm at the age now that, like, cops will be watching my stuff, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

So why don't you just be like, can you let me go? This is weed.

[Jeff Wittek]

They let me out after, like, eight hours or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay. So that's good.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that's a year of not being.

[Jeff Wittek]

I. I think it's. It's. It's all for a good reason, you know? Sometimes I need to get thrown in a cage to really sit and think. That's my meditation, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, some people need that for sure.

[Jeff Wittek]

I mean, slap the cuffs. Let me throw me in jail for a little bit, and I'll come out reset.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's very much like. Isn't that the whole prison reform it, like, movement is, like, they can change it better in there.

[Jeff Wittek]

Anything. Like that's a reset for me. I kind of needed that. But, like, I wasn't getting arrested. Like, nobody was throwing me in jail. Like, I was. You're not gonna get thrown in jail for taking antidepressants in your Room, you know, I needed to, like, get arrested for something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that is wild. That, like.

[Jeff Wittek]

So, like, going to the boot camp thing in Mexico worked for me, you know, because I wanted to get help. I needed to. I realized that. And, you know, those drugs were just like the cherry on top, because that really, like, did change my brain. I came out of it. I was like, holy, what the was I doing?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And you don't carry any of that with you because it's wearing off, but, like, it doesn't seem like it is. What part's wearing off for you?

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, when I. I don't know, I was, like, kind of waking up, like, just refreshed every day. Like, I was like, damn, I got my life back. Now I'm kind of just like, oh, I gotta go do a podcast. And it's 8am right now.

[Trisha Paytas]

First of all, you're like, I'm happy to do it. Okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I am. I'm kidding. I love it. I was just joking about that part of it. Yeah, that part of it. My disciplines come back. I'm back to, like, you know, my old self. I know it's corny, but, like, even doing, like, a cold shower, I would, like, turn the shower on cold every day. I don't, like. I don't cold plunge as much, but, like, I'll do the cold shower. Just, like, wake me up and do something hard. And I, like, I stopped doing that for a while. It's just, like, a little weak. I don't know. I feel like I got my discipline back. I feel like I can do hard and be comfortable and uncomfortable even being here. I hated the cold growing up New York. Like, when you get outside, not today, but like, two days ago when it was like. Like 30 degrees out and it was super windy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

And it hurts your face the second you go outside. I just reminded me of, like, when I was a kid going to school with my dad. Like, my dad would be driving me to school and the car would be freezing, and they didn't, like, the car wouldn't get warm until, like, I. I got out. Like, I was like, at school, and then I get out.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never preheated it? I grew up in Illinois, and we'd go out and, like, start the car, like, 20 minutes early.

[Jeff Wittek]

We don't have that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

And my dad wouldn't be wasting gas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hell, no, it was cold. But I love. I loved the cold. Yesterday or two days ago, it was.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Yeah. What were you doing there? Oh, you, You. I saw you got that, that grilled cheese. The gay grilled cheese.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy. A rainbow grilled cheese.

[Jeff Wittek]

The gay flat. The. What is the flag called?

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like pride.

[Jeff Wittek]

Pride flag.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Pride grilled cheese. That's what it was.

[Jeff Wittek]

Was that. Is that offensive how I said it?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I don't think so. I don't know if it is.

[Jeff Wittek]

Correct me. I want to change. I, I. I want to learn.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think that part was offensive.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think you got the. The gay grilled cheese.

[Trisha Paytas]

I got the gay. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with.

[Jeff Wittek]

How was it? Did it taste gay?

[Trisha Paytas]

It was frozen.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I thought it was melted cheese.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, they, like, made it hot, but it was so cold. I did the pull part, and it just, like, stuck straight up the cheese. And I tried to taste it, but a little. It was not that good.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's crazy, though. Cheese could be all of them colors, huh?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know how they did that. That's probably not good for you. Like the Red Fort.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you been to Bryant Park?

[Jeff Wittek]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you're, like, New Yorker, but, like, don't do touristy things ever?

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, it's like anybody that lives somewhere or is from somewhere. Like, I don't do touristy things in la.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do, like, Venice or Hollywood Boulevard. You've never done that?

[Jeff Wittek]

I would never go, like, take pictures with the stars and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never.

[Jeff Wittek]

You do like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, I used to. I haven't done in a while, but I do.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love, like, the Venice, like, gym. Like, I love to just go look at, like, everyone working out. Like, I mean, again, I haven't done.

[Jeff Wittek]

It in a while, but, yeah, that'd be so funny to just be walking down Hollywood. Like, I'm in a rush to go to, like, Starbucks or something. Starbucks?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You're getting Starbucks here, which is kind of diabolical because it's like New York. Like, you have so many good coffee shops. They have Pratt, they have Vanilla Gorilla. They have Joe's coffee. They have Gregory's coffee. They have, like, all these, like, amazing things, and I want to go at Starbucks. Like, what?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I guess with coffee, I don't really give a shit. But with food, I'm realizing that, like, damn, I was spoiled growing up. Like, I grew up with the best food.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? Okay, so tell me, like, what is the best food? Because I've been eating it. I've been eating so much. Like, honestly, my Beatles costume is, like, not gonna fit anymore. I need to, like, chill. But I've been Walking everywhere too. So I feel like I do walk like, I walk about like 15.

[Jeff Wittek]

You should check your steps. Wear a apple watch or something. Or garment. I should.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have my phone usually with me. Huh.

[Jeff Wittek]

Or a. Whoop, there's that like, I don't know. I'm not giving no promotions. I'm a Garmin boy. What? That's.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're Mormon.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, never forget.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, okay, so that's great though. Yeah. No, tell me food. Because I am obsessed with food and I love.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, just pizzerias, obviously, that's a no brainer. New York, you know, like what's in Staten Island? Like, my editor, one of my, One of my guys who's with me, Nick, he. He's going to pizzerias and stuff. And he was like, oh, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to that pizzeria. I'm like, which one? He's like, aren't they all the same? I was like, don't you ever say that again. They're kind of the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same.

[Jeff Wittek]

All pizzerias are the same kind of. What are you saying?

[Trisha Paytas]

New York Pizzeria cheese on it and. Yeah, pro.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's. First of all, it's Parmesan cheese.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Is it?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, the big white chunks, that's Parmesan.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's cuz. It's fake Parmesan cheese. You're eating fake Parmesan cheese in Los Angeles. Those green containers, those circular containers, the green ones, that's fake Parmesan cheese. There's only. The only real Parmesan cheese is stamped. It comes from Italy in a wheel. And I'm sure when you go to nice restaurants, they have the, the Parmesan, the real deal.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love. Also in the pasta and the wheel of cheese.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, pasta. Yeah, exactly. That's. That's real stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's like Stratala or something. It's like a specific.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I watched a YouTube video on it. So I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

On what.

[Jeff Wittek]

On fake cheese that they. There's. There's counterfeiters that are making millions of dollars off fake cheese and like fake stuff they sell. I got, I got one in like a deep dive on like, like artificial foods that we eat, like our imitation crab and stuff like that. Oh yeah, that's disgusting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I used to be, but yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

But then I found out about the parmesan cheese and I was like, damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

But are you eating like pizza every day or does your mom, I've been.

[Jeff Wittek]

Getting chicken rolls chick. It's like a chicken cutlet, like a Chicken parm. Basically stuffed into, like, a calzone type of thing. Like, it's. I. It's so weird that people don't know what chicken rolls are because I, like, grew up on them. My, like, my body, as I was growing from a small child into a man, I'm built off of chicken rolls.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where do I get them?

[Jeff Wittek]

Staten Island. You want to go do a mukbang?

[Trisha Paytas]

How far is Staten island from here? I would be so tempted.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's 30 minutes. 30 minutes away. A little worse for traffic, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you get on a boat?

[Jeff Wittek]

No. You could take a car. There's a bridge. But if you want to take the ferry. Yeah, ferry's like an experience. You know, you fall asleep next to homeless guy or something. I think they sell beer on it.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw your videographer came to Vegas.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, he shot you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Kyle.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I like him.

[Jeff Wittek]

What happened to him? He's in la. He's coming. He's meeting us in Orlando tomorrow for the shoot.

[Trisha Paytas]

To work with him?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I was away at that time. I was. That's when I was in Mexico.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, that's good. At least. He probably needed to.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do some work.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, he's on salary, so he would have been good either way, but, you know. Yeah. I got health insurance for my boys, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I'm around. Are you doing Vlog Squad? No, I don't have hr, but that's because I don't do anything. I never assault my guys or anything like that. I'm not into. Like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's good.

[Jeff Wittek]

Okay, good.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you don't work with any. Oh, you do have girls. You said you have a lesbian manager.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, of course. My whole team is gays and lesbians.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, a couple shadies, but I don't really, you know, I don't like them too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I'm kidding. My. But not the favorite. My favorites are the lesbian. The. The queen of the lesbians. Nev. She's the best. And my assistant's gay little Mexican man. Okay, you want me to keep going down?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, we're good. Love it. I love your.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love Righteous Gemstones.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah. Righteous Gemstones. That's a good one. Oh, wait, hold on.

[Narrator/Announcer]

You.

[Jeff Wittek]

I heard you fell off a chair in your debut at Fetal Jeans.

[Trisha Paytas]

I broke a chair.

[Jeff Wittek]

You broke a chair? Did it fall? Did you fall?

[Trisha Paytas]

It crushed. Like, the legs collapsed.

[Jeff Wittek]

So it disintegrated. It just spontaneously combusted.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was bad. It was bad. I. I've broken so many chairs in my day. And I've told these stories, and people, like, don't believe me, but I, like. It's why I sit in boots. I will never sit in chairs because, like, I break chairs quite frequently, and it's wild to me. And I've done it on Tik Tok Live. I've done it everywhere. But I did. I did it on Broadway on my opening night. Yes. I pushed back.

[Jeff Wittek]

And did you see that new show on hbo, the Chair Company with Tim Robinson? It's so ridiculous. It's so funny. It's all about him falling through a chair on stage when he's like. It's. He's a mall manager, but they, like, make everything so dramatic. It's, like, basically like he's like, Breaking Bad. It's like Breaking Bad. The way they score it and stuff. It's, like, so intense. But he's really just a manager in a mall that fell off a chair. And he's, like, trying to track down the chair company because he thinks that somebody sabotaged him to fall through the chair in such a big moment. It's kind of like you. Because you fell through the chair in the debut on Broadway.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's been my story. I think they ripped it off for me because, like, I've literally, like, looked up. Like, I remember one time, the first time it happened was at a Cheesecake Factory, and I looked up, like, how to sue Cheesecake Factory. Like, how. And then they're like, no, it's trying to suit.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, he, like. He's, like, calling customer service the Chair company, and nobody's answering. And he's like, what the. Who the. Are these people from this chair company? And then they start messing with him back. Like, they send, like, mafia guys to, like. Like, to start following him, and it just gets more and more intense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Story. I feel like someone needs to find my story time.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. That's crazy that that happened. And it's just such a ridiculous show. There's, like, one. They'll write things into the. Into the show that's, like, so ridiculous. Like, you could tell the guy, Tim. You know Tim Robinson, right? You know the actor that.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's he from?

[Jeff Wittek]

It's like Shawshank Detroiters, and I think you should leave on Netflix.

[Trisha Paytas]

Isn't he, like, a serious actor?

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm thinking no, he's. Oh, it's not the farthest thing from. No, no, he's the furthest thing from a serious actor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Jeff Wittek]

There's a scene in the show where he gets a phone call and it's this modeling agency, and they call him to tell him that he didn't get the job. And he's like, I didn't submit any pictures. And they're like, yeah, well, we got your pictures and we just wanted to give you a courtesy call, let you know that you don't have what it takes. And we're just sorry to let you know. He's like, I don't want to be a model. And he, like, hangs up the phone. Not even necessary for the show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he stand up or what?

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, no, he's just like a. Like a traditional, like, TV comedian.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not gonna totally hate on it because I feel like when he told me about the Danny McBride of it all, I was like, I. I totally disassociated and didn't even remember you saying it. And then I remember I became obsessed with Danny McBride and Oscar's like, Jeff talked about that. I was like, literally no recollection of that ever happening. So I do trust your opinion. What show. What channel is this on?

[Jeff Wittek]

Hbo. It's a new show on hbo and there's a new show. I love la. Have you seen that one? That's like. That's like a 10 and Trisha show, I feel like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it. Have you seen it? I haven't watched it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I mean, they speak in your language. You know, it's my people. They say the words and terminology that you use.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, what?

[Jeff Wittek]

Give me some lore.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lore is. That's a good one.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, they're like, blocking people on Instagram and stuff. I feel like that's what you intend to do in your free time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we love a block button. Good for your mental health.

[Jeff Wittek]

She's like a manager of, like, a social media girl. And then they. She didn't get the managerial position because the girl, her client didn't follow her on Instagram. And the people saw it, they were like, she doesn't follow you. That's weird. All right, next. And that's like, why she got. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's like, I love it, but it's very niche. Like, I do love that, but, like, I wonder if it's like, mainstream.

[Jeff Wittek]

Maybe her friends, this. She has a gay best friend, Jordan first man.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love him.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, so you know exactly who the actors are. You just haven't. You haven't watched the show?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, I love him, though. He's on everything. He's on, like, English Teacher, and he's been on so many things. I want to say overcompensating Maybe, I don't know. He's been on a lot.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. The show starts with a guy on guy sex scene. Right up my alley. I was like, this is you, my show right here.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you do. Okay. So when I started watching. We start started with Gemstones, went to Device Principles and then back to Eastbound and Down. And it's always penises. Just so many male.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. HBO love showing the shows you're talking Game of Thrones always had penises in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not as gratuitous as. As a Righteous Gemstones. Like they would show penis for no reason every episode. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I was uncomfortable watching it sometimes, but.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, but you love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

What about it?

[Jeff Wittek]

I love that specific aspect of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But all the shows you've mentioned have so much of it, so much penis. And you're like. And you're okay with. Because to me, I like blush. I don't love it. I hate a penis. Like, but you seem to like watch all these shows.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's funny, you know, the penis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why explain it. Because that's okay. Can I tell you, we watched the first five episodes of Righteous Gemstones and I'm like, this is so disgusting. Like, I hate this show. Like, who the hell would watch the show? Because it was just so like gross and violent and like penises everywhere. Why are penises funny? Thank you so much to Chime for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. In my early 20s, let me tell you, I have struggled with finances mainly because of those pesky overdraft fees. Yes, I need my money now. And sometimes even when you have the money, you cash a check, it's like, we're going to hold it for you. In two days, you'll get access to this. Like, what do you mean? I have bills to pay now. I have a dinner to go to now. There's a birthday happening now. Well, Chime completely understands that. Chime understands that every dollar counts. That's why when you set up direct deposit through Chime, you get access to fee free features like free overdraft coverage, getting paid up two days early with direct deposit and more. I learn more at chime.com/trish. Chime is banking done right. Open a checking account with no monthly fees and no maintenance fees. Get paid up to two days early. When you set up direct deposit with qualifying direct deposits, you're eligible for free overdraft, up to $200 on debit card purchases and cash withdrawals. Today, Chime has spotted members over $30 billion. So open a checking account with no monthly fees and no maintenance fees, not to mention access to over 47,000 fee free ATMs more than the top three national banks combined. My younger self would have benefited from this so much because that's how they get you. You overdraft a little. Oh, $35 fee. You overdraft again. Oh, here's another 35. It just adds up where you can dig yourself out of that hole. With Chime, you do not have to worry about that. Work on your financial goals through Chime today. Open an account in two minutes at chime.com trish that's chime.com T R I S H Chime feels like progress. Thank you so much to Chime for sponsoring today's episode. Episode the Time Credit builder Visa credit card is issued by the bankrupt bank and a stripe bank and a Chime taking account required to apply. Money added to credit builder will be holding your secured deposit account as collateral and as your credit builder cards available to spend amount. This is money you can use to pay off your monthly charges out of network ATM withdrawal and otc. Advance fees may apply. Late payment may negatively impact your credit score. Results may vary. Go to time.com disclosures for details.

[Jeff Wittek]

Not like an erect penis, but like. Like a flaccid penis is funny. I don't know. It's like not. It's not in use. It's. It's. It's useless, you know, doesn't do nothing. Just. I mean, basically, men could be peeing sitting down. You know, you don't even really need a penis if it's not, you know, what are we talking about? I'm uncomfortable.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I need to know because.

[Jeff Wittek]

Okay, I feel like I'm watching HBO penises with my parents that. You ever, like, have a sex scene? Come on. You watch TV with your parents. How awkward that gets. You ever watch TV where your parents maybe. Well, there's not gonna be no penises in that.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. But I was telling Moses. I was like, when I was a kid, these boys would always do the freaking helicopter penis thing to me.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's why. But why? And it happened on Righteous Gemstone. They had the helicopter. I'm like, do you see what I'm talking about? Because he did not believe me. He had no idea what I was talking about. Why is that funny?

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know. Now I'm uncomfortable.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Okay. I will say if you get past the five episodes of Righteous Gemstones, the first five episodes is like, it's my favorite show I've ever watched in my entire life. I think it's so funny. I thought Vice Principals was, like, extremely funny. And then I really loved. He's bonding down, too. I was kind of like, wait, these shows are. I really like him. Have you ever met him?

[Jeff Wittek]

Danny McBride?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's in.

[Jeff Wittek]

Where would I meet him? Yeah. He doesn't really, like, hang out at the same spots I go to, you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Know, but you should be in one of his. I feel like you act because you do movies, too, and I feel like you should be.

[Jeff Wittek]

I just started acting again. I'm doing some stuff in the next couple months. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ayahuasca.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, kinda. It's just you got to keep up with acting. You gotta, like, have people getting you stuff, you know, like, you can't just wait for people to come knock on your door and say, hey, we want you to be on this show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you gotta.

[Jeff Wittek]

Don't work like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's true. Do you have someone, an agent, manager?

[Jeff Wittek]

You have them and then you, like, start prioritizing other stuff, and then you don't. You don't always, you know, keep up. Like, you got to be really committed to acting. It's a whole different thing. It's not just because you're making videos, you're going to get acting jobs. But I play stuff that's, like, easy for me to.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Jeff Wittek]

To fit into that. That role that Character? Yeah, I'm playing a boxer in one movie. I'm playing a tough guy. That's. I don't have a name, my character. I have a name, just tough guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is the boxer movie out?

[Jeff Wittek]

No. One of the main actors got sick, so we had to postpone. I think it was Danny Trejo or something. Got sick.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so weird. As I was looking at you, I was like, you're very Danny Trejo. Yeah, it's like he went to prison. He has like. Your face looks amazing. I don't want you feel self conscious about it, but you do look like you've been through some stuff. You know what I mean? And, like, I feel like that's so good for acting, but still, like, good looking. You're still. It's like very Robert De Niro where it's like, he looks like he's talking to me.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's pretty good.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, he's always got this face De Niro pissed off.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of like it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Is that good?

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe, Maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

More squinty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's great.

[Jeff Wittek]

All right, so back to the penises. Back to the penises. Why are they funny?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, how do we get back there, though?

[Jeff Wittek]

Because you're on to something, I think. Okay, well, women's. A woman's body is not funny, right? Am I? Am I. Is that the right thing to say?

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe like, I'm trying to think maybe like Borat, they had like, female nudity. Try to be like. I think they made fun of like a larger woman's body. I don't think so. I'm just like, saying no, but yeah, I would love to know why. I guess if a girl's fat, like, it's kind of funny to people. I don't know. It's not me. Not to me.

[Jeff Wittek]

But no. What do you think about everybody on Ozempic now? What are your thoughts on that?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't have any thoughts on it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Would you ever take it honestly, like, not.

[Narrator/Announcer]

I would.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't want to ever say never.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think it's cool that you're just like, just happy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just. Yeah, well, especially I'm getting in my acting era now and I really feel like there's just. Just no one's fat anymore, so I'll just take all the rules.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, that's what I was saying on my last podcast. I was like, you know, it used to be. It used to. Used to be looked at as like a sign of wealth if you were a little, you know, you had a little belly on you you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Because nobody could afford food back in the day, so, you know. Yeah. You were rich, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But you took, like, Ozemp. Like, what you went to is kind of like Ozempic for drugs. Because it's like, you don't think about doing drugs anymore. Because I think what Ozempic does is, like, doesn't make you want to eat anymore. And it's like you kind of went on, like.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. It makes you, like, feel kind of nauseous. Like, when you're sick, you lose weight. I guess you're just constantly on that, which I wouldn't want to feel like that. But if there's, like, a magical drug you take that just makes you skinny, I'm sure. I get why it's so popular.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, I totally get it. Meghan Trainor was just talking today. I saw her. Because now people are, like, body shaming people for getting too skinny and shake when I was big. Everyone's like, oh, my God, you're, like, so fat now.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Skinny. Everyone's like, you look so crazy. It's like, now people are.

[Jeff Wittek]

But now, if every. If anybody could be skinny, then what's going to be the rare thing, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Nothing. Yeah. Chubby.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that's why.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm gonna start eating as much as I can. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You want to be chubby.

[Jeff Wittek]

I want to pack on some more weight. Yeah. I gained, like, 20 pounds in the past.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is your best look. This is truly. And I'm not just saying that to be nice. This is truly your best look. You look amazing. I'm, like, so excited for you. I love. I do love the acting era, too. I feel like there might be a day where I retire from social media and just.

[Jeff Wittek]

Hell, yeah. I was thinking about that too, when I was, like, going through everything, because I was like, damn, I'm about to go back into podcasting and do everything again, but I haven't done it in a while, so should I just get a whole new career? But no, I do love doing this stuff, but it would be cool just showing up and having a script. But also, you're kind of doing it now with Broadway, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And that's why I love it so much, where it feels weird to, like, we're doing Hot Topics tomorrow, and it feels weird to just go back and be like, Colleen. Like, Colleen's on a podcast this today. I'm like, I don't want to watch it because, like, everything is just, like, good. But, like, that is the job, right? Is to Be, like, reporting on what she's saying on a podcast. Like, I don't care. I just don't care anymore.

[Jeff Wittek]

But, like, and guests, sometimes you gotta have, like, a new guest every day. Like, I don't care to do certain.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love all the guests because I've been more picky, so I feel like I've been loving all the guests. And I would do more. It's just hard to get down.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, I saw you had Nicole on.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, Nicole, the chronically online girl with her to Beetlejuice.

[Jeff Wittek]

Did she go yet?

[Trisha Paytas]

She did.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, damn. All the girls went already. No, I want to go solo so I could not be distracted.

[Trisha Paytas]

And really, you're gonna go by yourself?

[Jeff Wittek]

Taking every moment. I'm gonna go. Yeah, we'll go tonight. Me and. Me and my guy. But that's by myself then. Yeah, he's just there to make Instagram stories of me and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm very excited. I'm very. No, Nicole's great. Yeah. She was my first guest co host, and she didn't like people in New York. And I do love New York. I do love it. Flaky. I've had, like, they know the podcast studio here. Like, I was waiting for, like, an hour for a guest, and they're like, actually, he's not coming. And I was like, okay, who is it? Who did that bleep the name. Oh, also, more penises of he who shall not be named. Because I was like, remember when you were in that group and someone was made to show their penis? And you're like, he didn't like that. And I was like, I didn't know. I thought he was in on the bit. I thought he was, like, loving it all.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, no, I. I don't think he wanted to.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's not humiliation.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. I had a guy that I would. He would always show his penis. I had nothing to do with it. He just loved taking it out and showing people.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's assault, I think.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. But if you, like, say that you're gonna show it first, and they're like, oh, yeah, show me.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because in that. That situation we were in, that's not consent.

[Jeff Wittek]

Show me your penis.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. They literally be like, he's gonna show you that. And I'm like, I don't want to see it. Look, not to say I. Yeah, like, anyways, that's all. Well, it's a whole thing. But anyways.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Back to Happy Broadway, Nicole.

[Jeff Wittek]

Thoughts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your New York friends, influencers. I need guests. And I'm like, everyone keeps flaking and.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm like, all right, who can New York guess? It's better than looking for guests in la. I don't know. I feel like everyone in LA is just waking up late and serious social media people out there, like, that's where the. Oh, yeah, the influencers go now. Well, they're all. They all got no direction in life. They're just like following what's what. What do we do next? Oh, everybody's on a podcast now. Let's start a podcast.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think, like, we're the same in that sense where it's like, that's why I like doing Broadway or just trying to do other things, like acting. Because it's like, I do, I do love the influence world. I love that everyone can be like, rich and famous off influencing. I just love so much, like, actually acting and, like doing what I wanted to do when I was younger. This was always just like my plan B and, like, love it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like having some sort of craft or something that makes you different than everybody else. Like, for me, it's cutting hair. Like, you know, I know it's like a weird trade to. To know, but I'm so grateful that I learned that and I did that for a big chunk of my life because that makes me have something different than everybody else, you know, Like, I have the barbershop show, but I also have the hair products and I still cut hair. Like, I have the barbershop. I'll go in there and like randomly cut a walk in or something just to keep that, like, still have that fresh, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

We want to come in. I want to come in. I want to see it. That'd be so fun to do if you have time next week or something.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, yeah, usually. Yeah. I just. I walked into a deli in my hometown. I met this kid who's like, he was like 18 year old me. He's like, yo, you're Jeff, right? Like, like I'm in barber school right now and he's gonna work at the shop that I worked at.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Jeff Wittek]

And it was just like, holy, bro. I was like, this is crazy. Yeah, I was gonna be an electrician, but I saw you and now I'm going to barber school. And I'm like, that's dope. Maybe still you could still do the electrician stuff, but at least learn it, have a trade, have something that, you know, nobody can take from you. You know, you can always fall back on that if you don't want to do other stuff. Like, you'll never be homeless. You know, you can Always cut hair.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that's what's cool about you, too, is the fact that you have, like, this actual, like, stand. Like, I didn't know. I thought it was pop up like this, like, shop that's there all the time. So, like, you'll never be out of work when it comes to, like, social media or acting or personality. But, like, you could always do that.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, I could always go back and cut hair. I'm not going to charge 20 bucks anymore. Or 12. What did I charge when I was a kid?

[Trisha Paytas]

What's your going rate?

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know. I don't even want to say how much you charge Broadway? I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not much, I'll tell you that. Everyone think I'm being paid so much money. It's not much, but I would pay to be on Broadway. So that.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's like, they should be giving you 50% of those ticket sales. No, you definitely boosted sales, though, right, by bringing in your massive following.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think Beetlejuice has its own fandom.

[Jeff Wittek]

Broadway is a sinking shit. No, I actually. Let me take that back.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it's a. It's a hard time for Broadway, for sure. I think, like, in general, like, you know, there's huge stars opening shows and closing.

[Jeff Wittek]

Like, the same Covid probably messed it up too, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it's a lot. I don't really know. I think it's just bad decisions. And so I want it to come back. And I'm praying, like, it's going to make a revival.

[Jeff Wittek]

But, like, is the Lion King still going?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think so, yeah. You want to see it?

[Jeff Wittek]

I think I already saw it, but I could go for a refresher.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't know if you did or not?

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't remember. I. Probably brain damage, maybe. I dreamed that I went to a Broadway show. I think I did. I think I did go see the Lion King. That's the only show that I've ever seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you gonna sit through it tonight?

[Jeff Wittek]

I went to my sister's place. She was like Fiddler on the Roof when I was, like, a little kid.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you remember songs from it?

[Jeff Wittek]

I was obsessed. I made my parents get me a violin for Christmas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which song? Which one are you doing?

[Jeff Wittek]

I think the main one. I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

If I Were a Rich man yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was hooked on that when I was, like, five.

[Trisha Paytas]

So are you going to sit through the whole show tonight? Two and a half hours. You're going to leave after intermission?

[Jeff Wittek]

I might pop in 20 minutes late. Like, you did.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can't pop in late. You have to come on time.

[Jeff Wittek]

Are you getting us tickets or do we got to buy them?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'll get you tickets.

[Jeff Wittek]

I was going to buy them last night, but I'll get you tickets.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, for sure. I'm going to put them under your name. But, like, show up.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, of course we're going. 100%. I can't wait.

[Trisha Paytas]

And stay to the end because I met the end of Act 1. It is a small part, I will say, but. But there are no small balls. I'm not. It's not a small part. I'm on stage for a small amount of time, but it's a good part. And I do the bow.

[Jeff Wittek]

And you sing. You sing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do have a singing line, yes.

[Jeff Wittek]

And you play. You're not Beetlejuice. You play a wife of this. It's a different story, right? It's not like the movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it is like the movie. My character is in the movie, but doesn't have any speaking lines. It's the dinner scene. So my.

[Jeff Wittek]

I haven't seen the movie either. So should I watch the movie before I go?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I wouldn't say that. I actually love the musical more than the movie. So I would say, come into the musical. Tana didn't know the Beetlejuice character either. She never saw the movie. So she was like, so it is. I think it's fun to see, like, this whole new, like, character.

[Jeff Wittek]

Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was. I'm excited. I love that influences are coming. Like, it makes me so influencers. You and Tana are the only ones. But even last night, Tana, like, there was so many people that came up to her and she was so sweet. She was just, like, taking pictures of everybody.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And my stage manager was like, there's someone out there. I think your friend is just like, the show can't start because there's just too many people surrounding. Oh, yeah, she was really sweet about it. She was, like, really, really nice. And really, it was really fun. So it's cool to have you guys there. People will be excited.

[Jeff Wittek]

Did McColl go, too?

[Narrator/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Makoa, everybody.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm gonna ask him his thoughts.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was really sweet. He said it was really nice. I love Makoa. He's. He's.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, yeah, he's great.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I'm excited for you to come see it tonight.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, me too. I'm excited because Nicole's the one who told me I need to go to a Broadway show. She's like, you need to be living In New York. Going to Broadway shows, coffee shops and stuff like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I tell you, I kind of want to live here, like, part time.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, yeah, you should.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love. I love Brooklyn.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, Brooklyn. Yeah. I'm probably gonna get a place in. In Brooklyn. Just because I'm like, trying to. I don't want to live on the island. It's too depressing for me. It's like going back too far back. Yeah, yeah. No, it's not the. It's not the dump anymore. I actually really. I've grown to like my hometown, where I come from a lot more from this trip. I used to hate it. I used to be embarrassed of it. I used to, like, try to change my accent and stuff like that. Like when I first came out to la, I was like, I sound like an idiot. Like, the way I talk, you know, my R's. I'm like, lazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, because you have a thick one now.

[Jeff Wittek]

Did it change back?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You're very new.

[Jeff Wittek]

It'll go away when I. When I leave.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should keep it, though. It's again, character acting. It's very like. Yeah, you'll be typecasted.

[Jeff Wittek]

Where are you from? You know you didn't grow up in California, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

I was born in California, in Riverside. I lived there till I was five.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, Riverside.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, okay. That's kind of where Kyle's from. He's from Corona.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we did talk about that. The 909. And then I went to Chicago to, like, for like 10 years. And then I came back to LA when I was like, 17.

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah, Chicago, they have deep dish pizza. Did you like that?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I'm not from Chicago. I'm from like two hours, like.

[Jeff Wittek]

But what do you think now? Since we were talking about pizzerias before and food. What do you think about Chicago? Deep dish pizza?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't love it.

[Jeff Wittek]

It's disgusting. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Remember when we'd always go back and like, we'd always go, where's the place? What is that one? Illuminati. Illuminati or something. I don't know. It was like the. It was the one place that person liked all the time.

[Jeff Wittek]

Illuminati.

[Trisha Paytas]

It sounds like Illuminati, but I think it's Lou Minati's.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never went. Didn't you. You went to Chicago? Yeah, we'd always go to that same.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm going to do the movie in Chicago next or next week. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

How long is that for?

[Jeff Wittek]

Just for like two days. It's a small Part, but it's like. It's cool. I get to play tough guy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so cool. Do you know. And that's the one with Danny Trejo?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, it's a different one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you know what, the actors are in it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, but I gotta look at the IMDb. I don't know. I know their faces. It's all. It's like a gangster movie.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. Do you know where it'll be released?

[Jeff Wittek]

Nope.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just kind of like independent, or is.

[Jeff Wittek]

It one of them's Paramount? Plus, I'm just doing random. It's not like that. Anything that crazy. Nothing you're doing. You're on hbo. Euphoria.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but again, it's.

[Jeff Wittek]

What happened. Is that. Is that. Is all the actors. Are they still on that show? Or is there, like some. Was there some controversy going on?

[Trisha Paytas]

I think they're all still on it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

From what I've seen.

[Jeff Wittek]

Or is that Stranger Things? Yeah, that's Stranger Things. Stranger Things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nicole went to. Yeah, she went to the Stranger Things. That one. I don't know. I know nothing about that show.

[Jeff Wittek]

I heard Millie, Bobby Brown, she's getting harassed or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she. Like, the. The reports came out from Daily Mail, but it wasn't very accurate. And then at the premiere, she was, like, with him and.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pictures. David Harbour. Right.

[Jeff Wittek]

How could he be harassing her? They have such a good relationship on screen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well. What. That's a bad mentality to have. I would say that about.

[Jeff Wittek]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Our abuser being like. You guys were laughing.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Damn.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anyways, everything going good with that? We only have a few minutes left, but.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, no, everything's good. Definitely. Part of the reasons I spiral is because of it, but I just need to learn to put it behind me, you know, I got to move past it, but it's not that easy, you know? Like, when I was there, I was like, you know, maybe this will make me move on and forgive. But no, maybe you need to go.

[Trisha Paytas]

Back and throw up. Maybe that's like.

[Jeff Wittek]

What? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm working towards it, you know? Like, I'm. I. I know that in order to move on with my life, I gotta, like, put things behind me, you know? I saw a meme, or not even a meme, just like a Instagram post where it was like. Like one of those motivational ones, and it was a little kid saying to this. This. I think like an older guy or somebody's like, hey, wouldn't it make sense? Wouldn't it Be better if you left that stuff behind. It's like the past was, like, on his back. Big thing, like, carrying the past with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

And did you post it to your story?

[Jeff Wittek]

Nah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love. I post into my story all the time.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. I don't. I don't like when people post like that. Wow. It seems like this resonated with you because you're going through that, but it don't work for everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's not true because someone's gonna resonate with that just like that. That guy who's like, I was gonna be an electrician, I'm gonna be a barber. Like, you could, like, be inspiring someone's whole, like, new life. Life path. Career.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. Like, for some reason that day, I was like, yeah, you know what? I got to leave the past behind. But if I saw that today, I'd be like this. You know, that's just me, though. Yeah. But it's. This was great. I needed this. Like a therapy session.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no. But honestly, thank you. Like, I was so shook that when you got all, like, deep into it. Because we didn't talk much before. Because it's okay. We have to go right now. We have to get filming. But I think. I think you're, like, openness is good when you're your real self. I think it's good.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, yeah. What else?

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Jeff Wittek]

Else can I be. You know, I gotta keep it real with them. Nowadays, everything's fake and it's only getting worse. We're gonna miss these days when there was realness.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't say it's only getting worse.

[Jeff Wittek]

It is. No AI's taking over and we're so enjoy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy. No. I have kids. I feel like they're gonna change the world.

[Jeff Wittek]

Get them off their iPads. Don't get them no iPads. Just make them live in the real world. Give them coloring books or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Make them write bright.

[Jeff Wittek]

They do color journals. I'm right.

[Trisha Paytas]

But they're learning, like, languages. Like, they learn Spanish from watching.

[Jeff Wittek]

Do you think they'll be entertainers or you think they'll be artists or.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's hard to say. They're three in one right now.

[Jeff Wittek]

Maybe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe like, Malibu's pretty. She loves to sing. She loves to paint.

[Jeff Wittek]

You should get. Put them in swimming lessons.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Because you have a pool in your backyard, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we just got a gate. We just got one of those clear gates. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's very.

[Jeff Wittek]

So my brother and sister did with their kids, like when they're super young too, they really take the baby and throw them in the water.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's called like, ISRs and survival.

[Jeff Wittek]

Something scary at first, but that's crazy. They learn how to swim as babies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah, we do because we have a pool and. Yeah, we put them in a very young age. Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. When you're young, that's when you learn everything. Your brain's like a sponge. They say it's harder to learn a language after you turn seven years old. Yeah, up to seven. You could, like, absorb so much.

[Trisha Paytas]

My daughter, I think, can speak three, but they're, they're. They pick up on it.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really well. And that's amazing. I don't think anything. I would love to. I would. I really. And I really do try. I've tried to, like, pick up languages and it's hard. I'd love to learn, like, Japanese. Been Japan?

[Jeff Wittek]

No, but I'm gonna go this year. My friend was asking me about it yesterday. He's like, yeah, you want to go to Japan to go skiing in February? I'm like, I can't plan February, bro. You talking about next year?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, this year.

[Jeff Wittek]

Well, in February. Of next year, so it'll be, like, within a few months. But it feels like I can't be planning things for that. Who knows what. Where I'll be in life in three months.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe we should do. Have you seen Traders?

[Jeff Wittek]

What is that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you haven't seen it on NBC. It's like, with all the, like, reality stars. It's kind of like, what's the game? What's that game called? Among Us?

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know what that is either. I've heard of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Murder mystery show. And it's like reality stars and Bachelor stars, they all go on there.

[Jeff Wittek]

So you want to make our own version of that?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, we should go on it.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'll go on there.

[Trisha Paytas]

So what usually happens is, like, there's two.

[Jeff Wittek]

That's a Trisha mentality. You can't just. I. For somebody like me, I can't just go on shows. You gotta have them.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, we could, because what happens is. Is, like, there's usually people from the same show. So, like, Real World Road Rules Challenge. There's, like, people from the same season. So it was like Trishell and ct. Do you remember them?

[Jeff Wittek]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ct. Yeah. So they were on. On Traders, and they made it to the end because they're kind of. They had their alliance. Either you're with the people from your show or not. So, like, if there's housewives on, they band together or they, like, fight with each.

[Jeff Wittek]

So it would be from the same show. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be funny. I'm there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think that'd be so fun because.

[Jeff Wittek]

I think we'd be a good duo, too, because, like, your strong suits are where I'm weak and vice versa, you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Know, y. I think. I think you have to check it out. I can't believe I haven't seen Traders, but you have to check it out. But I'm happy to have you here, as always. It's so much fun. I can't wait to do your podcast. You guys go check out Jeff fm. We're a podcasting. This is. I've been podcasting for, like, 10 hours straight this week, and I love it. Let me preface again by saying, like, preface, not preface. What's the opposite of preface? Where I say something after conclude. Yeah, reinforce. Reinforce that. I do love podcasting. I don't know if, like, I could keep up with, like, the hot topics, the drama of it all, because at the end of the day, sometimes I.

[Jeff Wittek]

You got a lot going on right now. You're raising a family three Children.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I love this shows.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah, this. These are a good one because.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. It's always good. Let's do this. Let's promise we'll do one episode a year at least.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think we've done two this year.

[Jeff Wittek]

Really? Okay. That's probably too much. And let's cut it back down.

[Trisha Paytas]

We've had a good podcast. We'll keep doing them. It's just hard to. Like, your schedule's busy. In my schedule, you never know if.

[Jeff Wittek]

I'm in rehab or something like that, you know, jail, rehab.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I think you've hit your last track box bottom, I think.

[Jeff Wittek]

Thank you. You.

[Trisha Paytas]

You go on the podcast, you predict.

[Jeff Wittek]

So that means a lot coming from you. That. That was my last rock bottom. I don't need no more life lessons. That's it. I've had enough.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're done.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yep.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're gonna go on the rock bottom podcast.

[Jeff Wittek]

I don't know what that is.

[Trisha Paytas]

With Ned Fulmer.

[Jeff Wittek]

No, I'm not at rock bottom anymore. Too late. Should have had me last month. Now I'm making my comeback, and I'm locked in on that. I'm all excited about my. My comeback.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're giving East Bonnet down.

[Jeff Wittek]

Yeah. No better feeling than a man right before his comeback.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that very. That. All right, good luck.

[Jeff Wittek]

Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm just Trish.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, we'll see you guys on Jeff FM starts now.