Sep 02, 2025

Summary

Just Trish Podcast – September 2, 2025: “Fall, Fandoms, and Friendship Feuds”

Episode Overview

This episode of Just Trish marks the start of "spooky season" with Trisha Paytas and co-host Oscar Gracey jumping headlong into discussions about fall traditions, viral pop culture moments, body image and TV nostalgia, celebrity controversies, and a healthy dose of YouTuber/Vlog Squad drama. The lively banter is colored by the hosts’ trademark candor, quirky reminiscences, and a deep-dive into current and former internet obsessions, covering everything from Halloween costume brainstorming to in-depth hot takes on iconic TV, celebrity memoirs, and evolving creator feuds.

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Autumn Vibes, Queer Joy, and Halloween Costume Brainstorm

[00:59–04:46]

• “Happy Fall! Happy September!” Trisha exuberantly declares the start of “fall queer” and discusses queer-coded fall traditions—pumpkin spice lattes, Ugg boots, and Halloween (02:16). Oscar quips, “Pumpkin spice lattes are a little gay in my opinion. Right. I mean, they’re for the girls and the gays, sure.” (02:07)
• Planning Halloween: The pair stress over how to keep their pink-themed costume tradition fresh, with the K-pop Demon Hunters as the leading group idea, but consider “pink bubble yum” and a “crumble box” as alternatives.
• Shoutout: Trisha expresses excitement and support for her queer friends, especially Sawyer, hoping to have him as a guest (04:02).

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Comfort Foods, Patreon Plugs, and Content Teasers

[04:15–06:24]

• Obsessing over a new, calorie-packed collaboration between Crumbl and Oreo, Trisha wonders if they should “order that” for their upcoming Patreon episode—highlighting their dedication to extended and exclusive content.
• Bold claims: “I don’t know anyone putting more effort in their Patreon than us. I think we’re just crushing it.” (05:31)
• Moses and Oscar tease that the "hot topics" get even spicier—and sometimes darker—behind their Patreon paywall.

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Trending Toys, the Hype Cycle, and Self-Reflection

[06:45–08:56]

• Oscar recounts the waning hype around collecting ‘BooBoos’ figures:
  • "No one really gaffes about the boo boos except for me, I guess, which is quite sad. But honestly, it feels better. Less pressure, you know?” (08:04)
• Trisha connects this to the Ozempic weight loss craze, her joy at being “different,” and how shifting public opinions impact perceptions and self-esteem.

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TV Nostalgia & Body Representation: “Drop Dead Diva” and Plus-Size Visibility

[08:56–14:46]

• Trisha laments the lack of plus-sized leads in current popular TV after watching Emily in Paris, leading them to rediscover and analyze Drop Dead Diva (09:38).
  • “It’s so fat phobic on so many levels, it’s actually so crazy. They literally just feed her donuts whenever she’s depressed.” (10:45)
• Moses: “But she’s super smart. And you’d be perfect in it because you’ll talk fast.” (10:56)
• They discuss Hollywood’s typecasting and lack of career longevity for plus-sized actresses—lamenting “the curse of being a plus-size actress” (12:28)—despite talents like Nikki Blonsky and Rebel Wilson succeeding.

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High School Memories, Bullying, and Confidence

[14:46–27:56]

• Oscar shares a revelation from his high school yearbook—being crowned “most unforgettable,” which he suspects was more because he was “the largest gay person” in his school (15:46).
• Warm, relatable banter about being “mid-sized” in school and the odd fascination with physical size, popularity, and quirky high school reputations.
• Trisha and Oscar compare notes on being “weird” favorites, confidence through delusions, and how “fat is ugly” messaging warps young minds.
  • “But thank you so much to Golden Nugget Online Casino for sponsoring today’s episode—” (19:46) [Ad break]
• Moses: “You have to remember the bullies are actually a minority in the school, but they create the most harm and memorable events.” (20:37)
• “I think that’s what I learned about myself… I was just delusional,” Oscar muses (25:32).
• They agree that society, not inherent inadequacy, undermines confidence for plus-sized and queer youth.

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Body Image, Plus-Size Tropes, and TV’s Fat Phobia

[27:56–33:32]

• The discussion circles back to Drop Dead Diva: every plot is about being fat, but Trisha loves its premise regardless.
  • “Moral of the story is fat people are beautiful and can be confident too. It’s society that tries to break us down.” (25:32)

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Jeanette McCurdy’s Novel Controversy (“Half His Age”)

[33:32–44:33]

• Oscar introduces Jeanette McCurdy’s forthcoming debut novel about a student–teacher relationship, noting backlash for possibly romanticizing grooming:
  • “It’s described as a startlingly perceptive, modernly funny… novel… as she navigates an affair with her teacher, exploring the complexities of desire, power and self discovery.” (33:48)
• Trisha is uneasy:
  • “To me, it sounded the same way. It sounded like a romanticization… does it need to be written?... That’s only because I’ve been through this, too, and it, like, is such a trigger.” (35:21)
• Oscar feels optimism trusting Jeanette’s intent: “She is so smart… she did so much work through therapy and self reflection… it’s probably from the perspective of, like, how it sucks.” (37:20)
• They relate the trend to similar problematic media from the early 2000s (Glee, Pretty Little Liars) and discuss how McCurdy’s reputation as an author might affect public perception.

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Exploring Memoirs & Child Stardom

[44:33–46:46]

• Oscar recommends listening to memoir audiobooks, particularly those narrated by the celebrity themselves, highlighting Alison Stoner’s raw and emotional storytelling.
• Discussion on child stars’ precarity and mental health, comparing the pressures on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon alumni (44:05–45:41).

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TV Talk: Big Bang Theory, Young Sheldon, and Sitcom Spin-Offs

[46:23–47:42]

• The group wonders about the timelines and connections between Young Sheldon and Big Bang Theory—Trisha admits, “I can't stand Sheldon, the character… I’d rather see young Leonardo, young Penny, anyone but young Sheldon.” (46:46)
• They discuss the evolution of sitcom franchises and the surprising longevity of the genre.

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Reality TV: 90 Day Fiancé Obsessions

[47:42–50:40]

• Trisha and Oscar bond over their (and Moses’s) shared love of 90 Day Fiancé, comparing notes on new and past cast members and international storylines.
• Trisha expresses wanderlust over travel shows and muses about visiting the pyramids in Egypt.

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Pyramids, World Wonders, and Historical Construction

[50:40–58:09]

• Light-hearted, speculative riffing on who built the pyramids, constructions’ mysteries, and the laboring masses who go uncredited—touching on both aliens and societal erasure.
• “That’s worth celebrating today: Labor Day. Damn the hard work.” (54:57)
• Moses and Trisha banter about the perils and marvels of great engineering feats—Empire State Building, Hoover Dam, the Grand Canyon, even referencing how “so many people are buried” in landmark sites built over centuries.

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Pop Culture: Jamie Lee Curtis’s “8th Wonder of the World” & the Perils of Y2K Body Standards

[61:03–67:50]

• Oscar—“Jamie Lee Curtis’s breasts. 8th wonder of the world.” (61:03)—and Trisha joke about Jamie Lee’s surprising, now-viral cleavage moment.
• Marvel at shifting standards:
  • Trisha: “She was showing all her roles and her fatness, and she was so skinny on this cover. But it was, like, a big deal back then.” (65:34)
  • Both recall how thin stars were considered “fat” during Y2K pop culture (Jessica Simpson, Tyra Banks).
• Trisha recounts being cast as “fat Jessica Simpson” in a 2009 Eminem video, highlighting her conflicted feelings about body image representation in the media.

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The Simpson Sisters: Ashley’s Vegas Residency & Pop Music Nostalgia

[67:50–71:46]

• The hosts reminisce about formative pop albums—especially Ashley Simpson’s Autobiography—and her current Vegas residency at The Venetian.
• Oscar: “Such a formative music artist for me was Ashley, really.” (69:00)
• They discuss Gen Z and gay nostalgia for pop-punk and “anti-Jessica” branding.

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Boyband Meltdowns: 98 Degrees & Nick Lachey

[71:46–74:41]

• Trisha skewers 98 Degrees for their current tour, bizarre setlists (covering pop hits from other artists), and their “Magic Mike” energy:
  • “They’re bringing up very young girls. And the young girls are probably, like, so confused. They’re doing weird, like, Magic Mike moves while they’re singing [‘I Do’].” (73:44–73:42)
  • Disdain for Nick Lachey—“He was such an ass to [Jessica]. I will never forgive him.” (74:05)
• Contrasting fortunes: “Backstreet Boys at least are at the Sphere…” while 98 Degrees sidesteps in tiny venues (74:44).

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SNL Shakeup: Departures, Rumors, and New Beginnings

[77:02–83:10]

• Oscar brings up SNL’s mass cast changes and speculation about firings vs. voluntary exits.
• Both express sadness, especially for Heidi Gardner; Trisha maintains that long runs often mean stars want a bigger next step.
• The duo imagines dream new Weekend Update duos and discuss the culture of SNL, its stress, and Lauren Michael’s “fresh start” plans.

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Music Shade: Benson Boone’s Covers and Touring

[83:24–89:27]

• Oscar recaps Benson Boone’s viral Adele and A Star is Born covers. Trisha is unimpressed, tossing light shade:
  • “Who is a Benson Boone fan? …Like, you know, we want everybody, right?” (88:12)
• Oscars’ partner Darian is cited as a real fan, but Trisha insists on being skeptical about Boone’s staying power.

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Beds Are For Sleeping – Nick Jonas’s Bedroom Rules (with Tana Mongeau’s Input)

[90:37–94:50]

• Nick Jonas claims his bed is only for sleeping; no eating, reading, or leisure (91:08). Trisha and Tana (per Cheesecake Factory chat) call it “sociopathic,” while Moses finds the chair-pulling “weird.”
• Oscar admits to not eating in bed only to avoid the dreaded “crumb feeling,” leading to playful quibbles about messiness, eating habits, and partner quirks.

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YouTube/Vlog Squad Drama: Tana vs. Todd Smith, and Jeff Wittek’s Messiness

[98:35–112:19]

• Oscar deems Jeff Wittek "the messiest straight man on YouTube" (99:33), retelling a recent Jeff FM episode where Tana confronts Toddy Smith’s version of a past confrontation:
  • “Todd was like standing 10 toes down, that he was in the right. And she goes, there’s no reason for me to lie about this.” (99:44)
• Tana insists she was sober, and it was Todd who got in her face. Both hosts strongly take Tana’s side, painting Todd as generally “rude” and unreliable, with Trisha recalling first-hand rudeness:
  • “He was the only one who was ever, like, nasty rude to my face. Like, mean… only females… he gave girls his face.” (106:37)
• Critique extends to Jeff’s on-air “messy boots” tactics and double standards for "messy straight men" versus women or gays on YouTube (110:08).
• “No hate to Toddy Smith. Glad you’re doing better.” (111:27)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Oscar on Halloween: “Pumpkin spice lattes are a little gay in my opinion… for the girls and the gays.” (02:07)
• Trisha on plus-size actresses: “That’s the curse of being a plus size actress… you think about Nikki Blonsky, but I guess she did it to herself because she never really did anything after Hairspray.” (12:28)
• Oscar’s yearbook revelation: “I think I was unforgettable because I was large and gay, and that – who… you don’t forget the fat gay person.” (15:46)
• Trisha on body image: “Moral of the story is fat people are beautiful and can be confident too. It’s society that tries to break us down.” (25:32)
• Oscar on Jeanette McCurdy’s new novel: “She is so smart and she did so much work through therapy… I trust it.” (37:20)
• Trisha shading 98 Degrees: “They’re bringing up very young girls… doing weird, like, Magic Mike moves while they’re singing… it’s so cringe.” (73:44)
• Oscar on YouTube feuds: “Jeff Wittek, Jeffrey Whittake, I think, is the messiest straight man on YouTube… a little diabolical.” (99:33)

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Episode Structure and Segment Timestamps

• Fall and Halloween Banter: 00:59–04:46
• Food & Patreon: 04:15–06:24
• Collectible Hype Cycle: 06:45–08:56
• Plus-size TV Representation: 08:56–14:46
• High School and Bullying: 14:46–27:56
• Body Image in Media: 27:56–33:32
• Jeanette McCurdy Book Discourse: 33:32–44:33
• Memoirs and Child Stars: 44:33–46:46
• Big Bang Theory/Sitcoms: 46:23–47:42
• 90 Day Fiancé: 47:42–50:40
• World Wonders: 50:40–58:09
• Jamie Lee Curtis/Body Talk: 61:03–67:50
• Ashley & Jessica Simpson: 67:50–71:46
• Boy Band Commentary: 71:46–74:41
• SNL Cast Changes: 77:02–83:10
• Benson Boone: 83:24–89:27
• Nick Jonas Bedroom Rules: 90:37–94:50
• Food, Cleanliness, and Crumb Drama: 94:50–98:35
• Jeff FM and Tana vs. Todd: 98:35–112:19

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Tone & Takeaway

Trisha and Oscar again meld irreverent humor, pop culture shade, and surprisingly candid social commentary. The episode is relatable and very "internet," traversing nostalgia, memes, current scandals, societal standards, and personal growth. It’s especially strong for fans who love honest, unfiltered conversations about body image, the shifting landscape of influencer culture, and the latest pop drama—with classic Trisha “no one’s safe” honesty throughout. If you missed it, this summary is your all-access pass to every major beat.

Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

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[Trisha Paytas]

When I was like, when I would scroll at night, I'd sort of have nightmares about it. He was such an. He was such an to her and I will never forgive him. So Todd was like standing 10 toes down that he was in the right. And she goes, there's no reason for me to lie about this. Like, she was like, there's no reason I would have to lie about this. I was like, yeah, it's Todd. Like, if you're gonna lie about something, it'd be like David Dobrik or someone that someone cares about and talks about, you know? Her name is just Trish. Hello. Welcome to the Just Trish podcast. Everybody's had a really great holiday weekend last week. In the summer, we're officially in fall. It's spooky season. Break out those blankets. I got the Uggs on. It is. It is here. Fall queer. That's what we're calling it. I was trying to think of something that rhymed with it. Not because I looked at you. I could have looked at you. I could look at anybody in the room. Could have looked at myself. I love that we should have pride in fall.

[Oscar]

There should be a, like a pride in the fall. You're right. I guess pumpkin spice lattes are a little gay in my opinion. Right. I mean, they're for the girls and the gays, sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Uggs, I think, are a little gay.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So why not? Halloween actually is gay. It is pretty gay. The gays and girls are out.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. The parts are out that we love, that we love to see. What a way to get started. Happy Fall.

[Oscar]

Happy Fall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Happy September.

[Oscar]

We have to start thinking about our Halloween costumes and everything too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

We Gotta get serious.

[Trisha Paytas]

The stress has been real because, yes, Dripdome has moved to New York. So I get them for a week, and. And I really need to get in that week. All our sets done. So we need to figure out what we're being. What we're doing. We're doing the whole month. That seems like a lot.

[Oscar]

It does. But, I mean, we set the precedent for ourselves. That's the problem.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think the precedent might be dying a little this year. I just don't know how to get it. I guess we have a month, but I don't know how many pink costumes there are, to be honest.

[Oscar]

Oh, I forget that you do have to be pink.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Do you have ideas?

[Oscar]

The idea I had, I feel like everyone is going to do is K Pop Demon Hunters. I feel like that's, like, gonna be the pop culture costume this year. And I feel like they do have pink looks. I think they do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Holly has sent me this. Oh, my makeup artist, Ari, was telling me about this. I know this is, like, the one.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I feel like that'll be, like, the big pop culture one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not mad at it, but what else?

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know either. It's. There's pink. There is pink hair in that one. So.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Food.

[Oscar]

Oh, you know, okay. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe like, pink bubble Yum.

[Oscar]

Okay. Love that. Let's keep brain. Let's keep brainstorming. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I have our one main group. One. I think I've said it before. I think I have that one, but I just don't know anyone else's costume for it. I know mine, but it is like a group.

[Moses]

We can be a crumble box. It's about pink and gay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kudos, Sawyer, for coming out. So we have a queer Halloween costume. We love it. Yes. Okay. Love it. Maybe when he's here. I still want Sawyer on the podcast. I haven't reached out yet, but I'm waiting till the. Till he feels a little more relaxed.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Speaking of crumble, they. Oh, I should have ordered it, but it's like a 3,000 calorie cookie. I just made that up. I don't know how many calories, but it probably is. It is the Oreo peanut butter collab that I've been looking for in the stores. But Crumbl did like a cookie. It's a patty. It's two chocolate cookies with peanut butter cream in the middle, which sounds crazy. It sounds like just sugar overload. Even today I was like, I need an iced tea. So I don't have, like, a sugar load with pumpkin spice, but then I'm kinda like, maybe we should order that. I don't know. We probably should. That sounds good. Because we have Patreon to do. Are we doing Patreon? We're doing Patreon.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we need to do Patreon. We're gonna do Hot and Fresh today. You guys go to patreon.com just. Trish. Okay. We are just crushing over there. We're doing an extended podcast over there. We do bonus videos every Saturday, Sunday. Over there, there's the headshot of the month. Look at that. Look at Glinda right there. And next to Glinda, we have some Selena Trish. So they don't really go together, but you know, they're there and we love it and it's a great time over there and we do bonus videos. It's just fun. Patreon.com Trish. Trish. I don't know anyone putting more effort in their Patreon than us. I think we're just crushing it. I think we're killing it. I think we're giving quality. I think we're giving quality and quantity because we're going long too. You know, we're going long twice a week. Think about it. We do twice a year. Twice a week. That's pretty much four times you're seeing us a week.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, if you remember. And then you get that in the mail from me if you're part of the headshot tier.

[Moses]

So my hot topics usually are there because we have to put them behind a paid wall.

[Oscar]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

We do.

[Oscar]

Moses is hot topics.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're hot topics. Yes. Yes, we. Yes, I know. Okay. I know. I was thinking, like, what do we talk about today? And Moses first was like, someone died at Burning Man. I was like, no, we're not that too. That's.

[Moses]

But somebody was born and somebody was died.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yours have been so depressing because you told me something else. The catfish thing that was happening over, like, that documentary. He's like, yeah, so someone's mom was bullying her own daughter and then she was telling her to un. I was like, let's not start with that either. There has been so many sad things. You tell me, I want to be happy, but I love you.

[Moses]

You just. Everyone is talking about it right now, so it's a topic.

[Trisha Paytas]

So maybe, maybe. Well, maybe we'll do me here. If you have. Honestly, whatever. Who am I to say? I have nothing? So I should not even judge.

[Moses]

That's why you should Join Patreon. Because everything that gets cut here from the floor goes straight to Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Not everything. Oh, that would be wild. That should be the. That should be the biggest tier is the, like, what we. What we had to cut unfiltered. What are we, Zane and Eth over here? I don't know if that's ours. So go to Patreon. Yes. We love you guys. And how was your weekend?

[Oscar]

It was good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it? You seemed happy this weekend. You got double aboos.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah. I did get double labus on accident.

[Moses]

It sounds like it was a surgery or something.

[Oscar]

A laboo bot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Me. Oh, yeah.

[Oscar]

I should get a laby. I should. I feel like I'm the only one who cares. Even Jimmy doesn't really seem to care that much anymore. And that's how I know about the boo boos.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jimmy's over laboos.

[Moses]

We probably get them all right.

[Oscar]

They released new ones last third Thursday.

[Trisha Paytas]

And no one cares.

[Oscar]

And no one really cares because I accidentally bought. The problem is I. I try to get them, and I have Darian try to get them, and I'm like, between us, like, maybe we have a better chance of one of us getting them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

And I guess the hype is just so far down that they were easy to get, and we both ended up getting them. And then I had an extra. And then Jimmy didn't want it. And then I was like, okay, Trisha, but you would, like, sell it on Stockx. I'm like, okay. I don't know if she really want.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do want it, but I don't. Well, look, look, here's the thing. I don't, like, love the boo boos, like, everyone. So of course, if you're like, here's the boo boo. I'm like, oh, my God, thank you. Like, I love it. But I was thinking, like, you could probably resell it.

[Oscar]

Well, I was like, I was. Then I got worried. I was like, well, I don't want to burden her with another item when she's trying to declutter. And then Jimmy's boyfriend Dallas was like, actually, he likes that the boo boo is this, like, rainbow one with a pearl necklace. And then so Jimmy retracted, not wanting it, and then. Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He rehomed it to Dallas.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Because he wanted it. But no one really gaffes about the boo boos except for me, I guess, which is quite sad. But honestly, it feels better. It feels better. Less pressure, you know? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, less pressure in the sense that no one else likes it. So you'll get them or.

[Oscar]

Yeah, they're easier to get. And also like now I'm in it for the love of, you know, the trinkets. You know, it's not because of the hype. It's not because I'm influenced. It's because I actually like them. You still love thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that is interesting. Yeah, usually once the hype is gone, I'm kind of over it.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that does happen.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I don't think like, okay, they're not like. That's like even the boo boo's. I couldn't fully get into it, but I was like, they're cute. Everyone has one. I should have one too. But yeah, I couldn't fully get into it. So I'm kind of glad that the hype. I was gonna say we could be Labubus for Halloween, but they're probably over by then, you know. Yeah.

[Oscar]

Just me out there buying those labubas. But I still like them. And it's my own genuine thoughts. I know now, which is nice. It's nice to know it's just you genuine. Like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I know. Same but different. I was thinking about that with like the Ozempic craze. I was like, I always loved being different, right? You try so hard to be different. I'm like, now I don't have to try hard to be different because I just am. I'm not skinny on Ozempic. Cause so many people are so tiny off of it. And the only reason I bring this up is because we want another plus size TV show that I'm obsessed with now. We just started. It's old, so it's not really like a hot topic. But we started with Emily in Paris. Everyone's like, watch Emily in Paris. And I was like, oh, absolutely. And I do think it's a beautiful show. I think it's great. But we just came from watching Mike and Molly. So I was like, oh, it's kind of hard, you know, it's hard to see myself in it. So I was like, okay. So I just typed in like plus size, like lead TV shows. And we found this one called Drop Dead Diva. Did you ever watch it?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think it was on Lifetime.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, it was on Lifetime. And it's. It's like Legally Blonde.

[Oscar]

Yeah. She's a lawyer, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, lawyer now. Fat phobic for sure. This show. Oh my God, Moses literally was just like, this is me too. I kind of gagged the first episode. So basically the whole premise of this show, like it's okay. I'm not gonna, like, bore you too much, but it's so great. I love it. Okay. I'm just gonna preface by loving it. Don't love this part of the show because it's so fat phobic. But literally she's a size 16, which I'm a size 18, so just for reference, like, she's a little smaller than me. And it's just like the. There's like a supermodel that dies, and then the lawyer who's plus size dies on the same day. There's something in heaven that gets a switch up. The model's like, I want to go back to heaven. She gets back into the plus size lawyer's body, and the first thing that happens is she in the body is just like, how disgusted she is by. It's like, oh. And then like, the friend is like, I can't believe they would put you back in a size 16. Did I wake up in hell? Like, it's just so fat phobic on so many levels. It's actually so crazy. They literally just feed her donuts whenever she's depressed. If she's, like, having a panic attack, the assistant to the lawyer is just like, here's some cheese. Cheese it. And she, like, does the cheese whiz in the mouth. And then she's like, oh, I feel so. Like, everything is just about being fat. And then, like, donuts and cheese cures everything. Like, it's so insane. It's so crazy. However, I do think I'd be great in this role. I do think they need to bring. It's so. Because she's like. The thing is that she's, like a skinny model, so she sees the world a different way. But it's crazy because she still has.

[Moses]

The brains, the IQ of the lawyer, which is super smart. And you'll be perfect in it because you'll talk fast. You know, you'll be like. Because suddenly she'll get in those bursts of intelligence. Yeah, she's like, oh, my God. What was that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it's kind of everything. And then she talks like Elle woods too. And it's. It's just so amazing. And I. I love this. I love this show, and I love this role, and I just really think we need more of that. No, I love Emily Paris. I do. I do think it's, like, beautiful and stuff like that. I did. They think everyone in that show is, like, beautiful and gorgeous, but it's kind of like Devil Wears Prada where everyone's just so. Even Andy and Devil Wears Prada is like, beautiful model. Like, she's like a thin, beautiful model. And it's like. Okay. I can't really picture myself in that, like, Drop Dead Diva love. Even though it's very fat phobic because it's from 2009. I still wish they'd bring these kind of shows back. I'm obsessed with it. We're only two episodes in. I love it. Where's that diva, though? Oh, Moses thinks he's. He so thinks it's the same girl who interviewed Meghan Markle.

[Oscar]

Which girl who interviewed Meghan Markle?

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you mean, which one? The one that was like. Yeah. And she. Not yet. No, not yet. You don't remember the. No. What?

[Moses]

I mean, she's an idiot.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, it does look like her, but I don't. We haven't been able to confirm that it wasn't, but I think it's just too separate. Like, 2009 is like, what, 15 years ago? 16 years ago.

[Moses]

Right. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I think it wouldn't be the same. I think the lady who did that interview owned it cosmetics. But I don't know if it's not the same person, but I think she.

[Moses]

Wouldn'T be the same in my mind if Jimmy put side by side of those two women when they're the same age. It's just the same. She also talks a little bit like her. She has the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, no, I do. I do think it's similar, but I don't think it's the same person because I was like, where did the lead from Drop Dead Diva go? Because I love her and I feel like she should have been more stuff. But that's the curse of being a plus size actress. You think about. Well, doesn't say Nikki Blonsky, but I guess she did it to herself because she never really did anything after Hairspray. Oh, I guess Mike and Molly. I guess Molly. I mean, it was a superstar. Yeah, that's true. Rebel Wilson. Never mind. So many people.

[Oscar]

Different women crushed it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Different women. But do they look similar to you?

[Moses]

Well, maybe it's probably not the current.

[Trisha Paytas]

Photo, but maybe the way they talk. I could see you. I could see it. I just couldn't confirm if it was or wasn't her, but it was too many years apart. That's a diva. The one who interviewed Meghan Markle because she owned It Cosmetics and sold it for so much money so she didn't have to be doing this podcast. I'm like, girl, love it. But it was so funny.

[Oscar]

Actually, I take it back. I do see the resemblance. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. The mouths, the smiles. Where's the chocolate diva woman? Where's she at? What's her name?

[Oscar]

Brooke Elliot.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's she at? I think she's a singer too. Because she sings on the show. Because I remember like bits and pieces of it when it was on. I just.

[Oscar]

Did you watch it when it was on Lifetime? I remember watching it. I don't remember much about it though, because I watched it at the time it aired. But 2009, how old were you?

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you in high school?

[Oscar]

I was in high school, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you were watching Drop Dad Diva Mama.

[Oscar]

I was big. So that show was catered to me like a show called Drop dead diva about a plus sized woman as a 280 pound gay boy in high school.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I tell you, I screenshotted your high school picture.

[Oscar]

Oh my God, I forgot about this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cute. I literally had to show everybody. I was like, wait. And I mean this in like such a sweet way too. I know usually when people have a screenshot, it's like, why you have a screenshot of me? But Oscar was so cute in high school. I literally was just like, oh my God, we could have been friends. Where's that screenshot?

[Oscar]

Oh my God, dad, can I tell you the lore behind this too? I was going through, okay, I wanted. I was going to buy vintage shirts, like on a website, whatever. And I was like, wait, I have all my clothes from like 2009, 2008. So like let me just go in my garage and find my own vintage clothes. And then I found my high school yearbooks. And I was like, oh my God. The gag is. I remember being. This is how I remembered it now. I was like, I remember my superlative in the yearbook being most likely to be famous. And I was like, I'm going to pull this out and really gag everyone that I was voted most likely to be famous.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were you?

[Oscar]

Actually now the gag is I then opened my yearbook and realized I was voted most unforgettable. And also there was a typo in it as well, which was extra, you know, most unforgettable. It was me and then another girl. And then I realized I was like, I definitely was voted most most unforgettable because I was being bullied. But I guess it just didn't clock to me 100% confirmed in my head because. In your head because the girl who also was voted most unforget libel was the like most unpopular girl. Granted, I honestly. Maybe I'm delusional. I don't know she was unpopular because she was, like, odd. Like, she was a eccentric young woman and she was smelly. Like, she was that smelly girl. Oh, I know for a fact. I did not. Because my friend Rebecca, she was like, one of the cool girls, but she was like, she was friends with the popular people, but then she liked, you know, the quirky people. So her friend group is a little all over the place. But she is very, like. She tells it to me like it is. She would have told me I smelled, so I know I was not smell. No, I think I was just large. I think I was just large and gay. Not even the gayest person in the school, though. But I was the biggest.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were the biggest.

[Oscar]

I was the largest gay person.

[Trisha Paytas]

No way. There's no way. Because this other one I think is so cute. Like, you're not. I was. I was literally saying this. I was like, he was not that. You weren't that big. You were like. But like, actually. What are you talking about?

[Oscar]

What are you talking about?

[Trisha Paytas]

You have a waist and your stomach is not like, that's crazy. If you were the biggest, I guess that's California because I'm from Illinois and that was skinny. You were skinny. No, you were mid sized. That would be mid sized.

[Oscar]

That is not mid size.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. Like, your face is fuller. Okay. But like, your hips. I mean, your waist still there is no. That's crazy. Oh, my God, that's so funny. Oh, I see your caption now. I didn't actually see what you wrote. I just saw unforget. Oh, I see.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, okay. Diva next to you, though. She's actually not that big either. She just smelled a smelly. I get.

[Oscar]

Yes, she was.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love how you didn't crop her.

[Oscar]

I tried to crop her name because I was like, oh, I don't want to dox her. Yeah, that was the tricky thing because I was like. I really wanted to post everything that year because it was so camp to me, but I'm like, oh, let me not dox people. I don't know if that's doxing or whatever, but to be safe, I guess. But, like, it was kind of gaggy that you were.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were crushing it, though. I don't believe it. Because I. I thought the same thing with me in my last high school that I went to, I thought I was, like, bullied, but then I was like, I was voted homecoming queen, and I thought the same thing. I thought, oh, my God, they're gonna, like, laugh at me. Poor pig's Blood on me, like something crazy. Because it was the farm, you know, they could have done it, actually. But I think they just did it because they didn't want the cheer because all the other girls were like, cheerleaders and popular. I think they just didn't want any of the other, like, pretty popular girls to get it. So everyone's like, this is a new girl. Let's just vote her, you know? And I was like. And they didn't bully me, you know, I did go to the dance. Only to get the crown. I didn't go. But I know what you're saying. Because our homecoming king was also not a jocker. Hot. You know what I mean? So we were. He was, like, funny, and people liked him. Maybe a little smelly. I do remember that, but I don't think it was. Who knows? Let us know what you think. Were we being bullied or was it just like, don't give it to a popular person? I don't know. Or were we just unforgettable? Unforgettable.

[Oscar]

Unforgettable. I. I guess in context, I did just win. If you're on Shout out, you won the contest. The Mr. Mr. Shaminade contest? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mr. What?

[Oscar]

Mr. Shaminade was the contest.

[Trisha Paytas]

Shaminade?

[Oscar]

Yeah. That's the name of my school.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does that mean?

[Oscar]

That's just the name of the school. It's named after priest or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it's named after a priest?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was like a mascot.

[Oscar]

I was like, that's a shaman. But, yeah, I did win that. And it was like the popular people and then me. And I did win that. I guess I was voted unforgettable after my performance where I did a mashup of, you know, all the hot songs, the 2010.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love that. Yeah, but you were good. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I think there was something. Yes. Maybe you weren't popular, but I think we're the same. Where there was something. I was voted most likely to be famous. That's the actual one. Clock it. I have it in my phone. I'm taking a minute to find it, but, Jimmy, I'll send it to you. And yeah, it was like, I was weird. People thought I was, like, a little odd. But some people liked me. Some people thought it was funny. I was. People always laughed in class when I would speak because I'd be like, like, really fast, whatever. And people like, she's so funny. Like, whatever. So I think there was something about us that people saw, you know, clearly, because I watch your talent. When I'm like, oh, no, that's like so cute and good. And that's what I was saying. Even when I screenshot these, I wasn't even being funny at all. Like, I was like, oh, I would be, like, friends with this. And this one too. This one just like melted my heart.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that was my senior portrait. You look so good. Taylor Swift quote.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Taylor Swift quote is everything you're lucky not to be different from. Maybe this is what I was thinking about the Ozempic where I don't want to be like everyone else. Because the quote is, you're lucky enough to be different from everyone else. Don't change to be the same. Maybe that's where it started, because it came in my head. I was like, I try so hard to be different. And now I am. Now I'm the lone fat person. Because we were watching Drop Dead Diva, I was thinking, nowadays, if they casted that, I'd be the only fat actress left. So probably even Brooke. Brooke Elliott's probably skinny now. She was skinny, by the way. She's skinnier than me. She was mid, you know.

[Moses]

Also, you have to remember that the bullies are actually a minority in in the population of the school.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses]

They created the most harm and memorable events. You know, so, yeah, so like you. So the amount of people that liked you was far greater than the few bullies. But the the feeling of being bullied constantly by those few creates that idea that, you know, that the whole school feels that way or the whole. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

To me it just feels larger.

[Moses]

But they always are the minority. And yeah, they're loud and violent.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw a meme, I was gonna repost it, but it's because weird meme. It was like 2005 versus 2025. And it was like everyone pointing at the gay kid and being gay, gay, whatever. And he was like, cute, but they were like, really hot. And in 2025, they're all like balding and fat. And it was like that it was. He was hot. And then they're like, gay, gay. And I was like, but the gay one got hot or something. And I was like, I don't know. I kind of like this. I'm like, it might also be kind of a weird sometimes you don't know what side the memes are trying to take. You're like, wait, is this a good thing? But the gay had the glow ups and I was like, oh, yeah, cute. And then all the people making fun of him were like, old and fat and bald.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So you.

[Oscar]

Honestly tea.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you look so cute. You really were. And I feel like this is where it's dangerous when people are like, fat is ugly or fat this, like, because you feel so self conscious. But like, you were cute with your. Like, you had a little extra weight, but you were not fat or couldn't breathe or could you breathe? I don't know. I don't want to speak for your breathing, but you looked cute, you know?

[Oscar]

Yeah. And honest for the record too. Like, I knew it was bigger, but I never felt like. I don't know, I'd never felt ugly or anything. And I know people were making fun of me, but I also, I. I don't know if I'm rewriting history, but in my head, I remember being like, in on the joke and it, like knowing it was camp. Like it was camp that I was, you know, I would. I would dress up as Kesha one day for like spirit week or whatever. I was trying to be like, in on the joke and like, campy. And if you got it, you got it. Which a lot of people did. A lot of people thought it was funny. And then there was like, I never really got like, bullied bullied either. Like, people would talk about me behind my back, I think because we went to Christian school, so at least they did it behind my back.

[Trisha Paytas]

So why did you think you were bullied for that?

[Oscar]

Because that is something that. That is the bullying kind of Thing to very like subtle behind your back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of tease, but you never felt like it otherwise.

[Oscar]

I never was like, you know, pushed into a lock or anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

My. My feeling is maybe you are thinking too much into that. Being bullied.

[Oscar]

No, because I know that everyone did not like that girl that was with me. That was also.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're just saying because of that. But that's different. You're different than her. Like the reason she was voted versus you. Do you know what I mean?

[Oscar]

I think I was unforgettable because I was large and gay and that who you don't forget the fat gay person. You know you can. The fat gay person who's at the talent show doing dance the Tick Tock by Kesha and singing just. And doing the telephone dance by Lady Gaga. The exact choreography from the music video. You don't forget that. You don't forget that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, we were the same. I have a clip from my. Or a picture from my yearbook too. It's like Trisha Paytas before. It's me against the music and it's like me on the track just like with the Britney hat and everything like that. And it was probably like it would.

[Oscar]

Have been the girls in PE class like sitting out of the mile 100. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. That would have been. And so did you sit out of the Mile?

[Oscar]

We didn't have to do the mile, thank God. Yes. We had to take. We had to take two semesters of physical education, but I waited until like as far as I could. And then when we. Once you got to junior and senior year, it was like PE was like a joke and like we went bowling and stuff. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that is so weird.

[Oscar]

We didn't really have to do anything that physical.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow, you did a presidential fitness test.

[Oscar]

Not in high school.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I missed like I did the cool like junior, senior PE class and my crush Dennis was also in my PE class with me. So we had a key. He would come and like sit on the bleachers with me and we would have a key.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so you had. At least you had friends.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I did have friends. I had a good friend group.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were popular and you were confident. So period. Me, I wasn't. I didn't have friends or anything. Like I even like writing my book. He's like, oh, do you have any high school friends or high school? I'm like, nope. Couldn't tell you anyone's name. Don't remember. It was single person. You'll never catch me with a friend from high school. And not to Say I was like the anti friend either. I wasn't like a villain. I wasn't terrorizing everybody, but I literally just had no friends. And I kind of. I was just neutral. I don't think I was like heavily bullied a little bit, but not like heavily. And then the other half, it's like some people just didn't carry there. So I think where you were more popular and liked than me probably.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you had more confidence because I swear I. Confidence, yeah. That's the thing. That's what's annoying is I probably would have had the confidence and even now I have the confidence. But it's society that's going to be like, oh, well, you're fat so you shouldn't be confident. I learned that from Drop that Diva too. It's just like, just. I love it too, because every storyline is about being fat. Like the waitress gains 50 pounds and then they're like, she could still be a waitress even though she gained weight. And I was like, yes, she can. I love it so much. There's so much. And then the, the sorry, not. I'm now I'm gonna become obsessed with the show and in six seasons, so just prepare for it. But even the guy that owns like that's partner in the firm, he literally is like, why I assigned you to her because Shake. What? Just because I'm fat, All fat people think the same. Like, yeah. And it's like so true though. He's like, well, I just thought you would get her insecurities. I was like, that's so wild, but also so true. And moral of the story is fat people are beautiful and can be confident too. It's society that tries to break us down. And so, you know, just be delusional.

[Oscar]

I think that's what I learned about myself. I was like, I was thinking, I was like, where did this confidence come from when I was young? I think I was just delusional.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think so. I don't think that was. I think you have every right to be confident because you were talented, you're very smart, you were good looking. Like, it's not. No, but for real, I would tell you.

[Moses]

I mean, good parenting.

[Oscar]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't think it's delusional. And that's, that's, that's what I'm saying. Society has you thinking like, I was delusional, but you, you can be all those things and be fat. You know what I mean? Or chubby or whatever. Like, that's the story. That's What I'm trying to make. Because you should have to be like, well, even me. What if I wear something? Like, I love Trisha's confidence. Like, just because, like, you wear a bikini or something. It's like, what do you mean? I'm just. I look good.

[Oscar]

Like, also, my school was like, I mean, it's the Val. It's like la. So I was like, it was Nepo babies. It was celebrity adjacent. It was like Stevie Wonder's daughter was in my class. Like, it was all, you know, rich, pretty people and then so me in comparison, you know? But honestly, you couldn't have told me anything different.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was like, yes, I love that teenage Oscar. Be the example. Truly, that's everything. That's why I wish I would have known you in high school. Because anybody. Granted, I did go in the Midwest where everybody is. That's what's crazy. Everybody is kind of fat. Back. Well, when I was growing up in my school particularly, everyone was a little chubby. No one was skinny. But yeah, everyone was making fun of me for being chubby. And I wasn't even that fat, which was so weird. I was. I was mid size. Whatever. Isn't that crazy? I do think about that. Back then, a lot of people were. There was some sticks, but there was a lot of big people making fun of me. And I was like, what do you mean you're also fat?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like people, like, want to feel better about themselves, so it's finding someone else who's like, yeah. That you can.

[Trisha Paytas]

More down.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Yeah. Especially teenagers.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. And my. Yeah, I always had a cute waist. Everyone always made fun of my belly. And I was like, but your belly's hanging over back then. I had a cute waist before with my Pilates. My rib cage is coming back in. But I've been doing so much Pilates lately, too. I took two Pilates classes. I did one with Tana. 1. It was like Extreme Pilates. It was called club. It was called Legree Pilates, which is like cardio Pilates and you're doing way more. And I was almost about to die. But Tana also said she sat out for the mile, so all three of.

[Oscar]

Us would have been not running the mile too well.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's pretty athletic because he does dance, but.

[Oscar]

But I feel like he would choose to, like, gossip.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I should have asked him that. Yeah. Because when she said she didn't do. She didn't run the mile either. And I was like, I didn't know you couldn't have to, like, didn't have to run the mile check. I hit a gym class I never went. I was like, damn. We all would have been cool kids. Didn't like gym class.

[Oscar]

You would have loved my gym class in high school because literally we go the bowling alley and then we also didn't have to bowl. Like, we could sit in the little food court and order chicken tenders.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one did you go to? The one.

[Oscar]

It was kind of far from my school. It was like, more towards like, Northridge or something. I don't know why. Oh, yeah, we had to take a bus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Little field trip.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Literally.

[Trisha Paytas]

And that was part of. That's so interesting.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I have no idea why I have so many questions about my school, but I love bowling.

[Trisha Paytas]

We should do a bowling trip. There's a new one that opened in Simi. There's a lucky Strike that opened up there.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it looks very bouge. The food is like cheese fries and nachos grande. And I'm like, well, I'll just go just for that. My dad's a big bowler. He's very into bowling. So when we see him, he always tells about us bowling that week. And he's like, yeah, I got five strikes. And I was like, okay.

[Oscar]

Fierce.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Oscar]

I mean, sounds good.

[Trisha Paytas]

It sounds good, but how were you in high school? And then we'll get to Hot Topics.

[Moses]

I don't know. I was athletic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

He ran the mile. He would do laughs.

[Trisha Paytas]

He did. And he'll always be like, I could just eat and eat and I could just never gain weight. My legs were always just so skinny. I was like, okay, never say love that. You did. You said you could eat whatever and never ate anything.

[Moses]

You did.

[Trisha Paytas]

You hated them, though. You don't say it in a happy way. You say it as like, I always had really skinny legs. You didn't like them? Yeah.

[Moses]

I want them to be like, more stocky or whatever you call it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You wanted to be more stocky. Okay.

[Moses]

Cuz they're like kids that played soccer and they had, like, more muscle legs.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have thick thighs. Your. Your calves are different.

[Moses]

It changed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

It's not like high school.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I was like, would we have been friends in high school? He's like, yeah.

[Oscar]

I was like, no, very Sam turned pretty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. What Did I. Why?

[Oscar]

Remember?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I know what happened in that one.

[Oscar]

But last week, the Hot Topic was that they hated that one guy, the. Their one cast member, and they did the lie detect test. I asked the main girl, would we be Friends. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he said.

[Oscar]

She said, I think we'd say hi to each other in the hallway.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's Moses reaction to what? You.

[Moses]

Yeah, maybe. No. I said, first of all, I like your pictures. You're super cute. I said, yeah, probably. You're definitely my type.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's not true, but. Okay, I know the types. I know people you dated in high school or in college. Yeah, you would tell me, but there's.

[Moses]

So what's the type?

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no type with them.

[Oscar]

And, yeah, his type is members of.

[Trisha Paytas]

The golf team, big golfers over there. Maybe.

[Oscar]

Maybe black belts and martial arts.

[Moses]

Right, Exactly. I was doing kung fu. You were doing quite too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. My dad said we should do a video fighting each other, like, kung Fu versus karate. All right, we'll take that into consideration. What a great way to start off. This hot.

[Oscar]

I liked it.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was on my mind. And, you know, just, you know, a PSA that it's just okay to be as you are.

[Oscar]

Taylor's like, it gets better.

[Trisha Paytas]

It gets better. For some. The bullies, though, it seems to get worse. So don't bully. That's.

[Oscar]

Yeah, that is my favorite hobby, seeing who got ugly and who got. Who's, like, stayed hot. Dennis, for the record. And he. He was sweet, and karma worked in his favor because he's still hot. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could see anyone I went to high school with anywhere. Not on Facebook. Nothing. It's like they don't exist. It's like, I didn't go to high school. I went to, like, three or four different high schools. Never see anybody from there. Never see it. I even search on Facebook. I'll look sometimes, you know, I do it on memory lane, and I see nobody unless they, like, change their names or got married or something, I guess. I don't know. I can't find anybody, so I have no idea how they turned out. But again, I wasn't bullied. Like, too bad. Like, some kids early on called me fat and whatever, but I wasn't, like, beat up or anything either.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Yeah. And my thing is, like, if I was gonna. No one really, like, bullied me to my face or anything. And I feel like I could have read back, though. I think that was kind of the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Back in high school. Yeah. You had the confidence.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't.

[Oscar]

Yeah. No one has, like, creative reads nowadays. Like, if you're gonna bully someone, at least be creative about, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you're for the bullying today. Okay. I thought we're zero tolerance, but, like.

[Oscar]

At least be a little creative.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Come on now.

[Trisha Paytas]

You are good at that. Yeah, but I don't think it's bowling. You, like, you said, you, you clap back.

[Oscar]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think bowling's like relentless. Like, you're ugly, you're fat. Get off the Internet.

[Oscar]

Yeah, we're throwing slushies in people's faces like Glee. That was crazy that they were throwing those slushies on faces and none of the teachers said anything. That's crazy work. Yeah. Mr. Shoe. Letting that happen is nuts.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they didn't Mercedes, like, literally, like, smash someone's car.

[Oscar]

I think that was just like the daydream sequence.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? But didn't she key it or something? I thought she did in real life. No, maybe not. I literally could have made it. I just remember that scene. I was like, wow, they really were doing everything and anything out there. Especially in the parking lot. Something else happened. Where did Rachel Berry get egged or something by Jesse St. James?

[Oscar]

And he like, that sounds right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crash. An egg on her head. And I was like, what is happening at McKinley High?

[Oscar]

McKinley High is the lawless in Ohio. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. They literally just let you. Oh, God. I would love. I would love for that to come back, but maybe better. It's not. We do watch it sometimes. I'm like, this is probably something that should not come back. Just offensive in every way. Which is probably a good thing that it stays there in the ember, but dropped to diva. However, even though, yes, fat phobic, it should come back and I would. I would love to play in it.

[Oscar]

There are talks about it getting a reboot. Damn. I was hoping you'd fall for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe somebody will be like, lifetime. Are you still around? I would love to get in on that. That's the perfect role for me. She is so cute. It's just. It's. Yeah, it's. I love it. And she gets to eat donuts. I mean, honestly, I was like, wow, it's kind of like fat phobic. But they literally put a plate in front of her. They're like, here, have some chocolate glazed donuts.

[Oscar]

It would work on me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it worked on her. Honestly, she was like, yeah, damn, those are good. And she did eat it. And they're my favorite kind too, with the chocolate on top. All right, well, the Hot Topics are hot.

[Oscar]

Oh, okay. I guess this is a semi good segue, you know, it is a good segue into the Jeanette McCurdy news about her new debut novel. Because it is about a 17 year old girl in high school. It's called Half His Age. It's coming out in January.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the name of the book. Half His Age.

[Oscar]

Half His Age, yeah. It's described as a startlingly perceptive, modernly funny and keenly poignant. A sad, funny and thrilling novel that follows a 17 year old girl named Waldo as she navigates an affair with her teacher, exploring the complexities of desire, power and self discovery. Jeanette said that writing this book has been the most fulfilling experience of her life. And through a 17 year old girl named Waldo, I got to explore the complexities of desire, consumerism, class, loneliness, the Internet, rage, addiction, in the oftentimes misguided lengths we'll go in order to get what we want. While those stories ultimately about finding yourself in a world designed to make you lose yourself. And that felt profoundly meaningful for me to write. I can't wait for people to read this novel. And that got a lot of backlash because some people took that as a romanticization of grooming basically.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kind of sounds like that, huh? You?

[Oscar]

Not to me. I think, think in context of it, it's not like a. If you. In context of Jeanette McCurdy because she also like was groomed and she dealt with that like she was a teenager dating an adult and she wrote about that in her memoir and about how that like obviously affected her. So in context of Jeanette McCurdy writing it, I see it as more like like literature that is going to like shed light on why this stuff is problematic versus, like it's not like a romantic, a Colleen Hoover, you know, romanticization of this teenager dating a adult.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I, I mean obviously I feel like everyone knows my stance on this. It's like, does it need to be written? Do we need to shed light on these things when people just like, no, it's, it's like, I don't know, like I said, I haven't read the book, so maybe, maybe she completes, paints him out as a villain. To me, it sounded the same way. I sounded like a romanticization. And I'm not one to even. Is she in her 30s or 20s?

[Oscar]

She's probably in her 30s now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I definitely had wrote and written like fan fiction about like similar things when I was in my 20s, 33. I look, I don't, I don't want to judge her for it, but I definitely wrote fan fiction too when I was like, I guess it's fan fiction. Was it on Tumblr? I don't know. I would write up stories that were not real. Is that fan fiction on Tumblr? Same Thing about. I was, like, dancing to, like. I think it was actually Glee. There was one where Mr. Shu sings. It's like young teacher, the subject of school. That one, Don't Stand so Close to Me, which is a police song, I believe. And Young Girl, which is a Gary Puckett song. Two songs I know very well because I was into that stuff when I was younger. But when I was in my 20s, there is one me doing, like, a striptease to literally, Mr. Shu singing this song. It's, like, so embarrassing. And I took it down since. But you do, like, still romanticize. I romanticized it for a long time until I actually went to therapy. You know what I mean? Obviously, I'm sure Jennet Purdy went to therapy, whatever, but. And I still was into those shows where it was like, yeah, where they show a young girl with a guy. Now I find it, like, disturbing, I think, maybe because I had kids, too. I don't know. But I used to love it. Even after being in, like, my late 20s, I used to, like, love that kind of stuff. Like a teacher, like, wanting to be with a young girl. It's problematic. I don't know. I think. I think any sort of entertainment it is. I do. I'm like you. I give Jennette McCurdy maybe a pass because once she, like, lived through it. She's talked about it in her autobiography. Maybe it is, like, a teaching lesson. To me, it sounds like this book doesn't need to be made if it's a fiction, you know, like, we learned enough from her story. But I hate it. But that's me personally. That's only because I've been through this, too. And it, like, is such a trigger. But I hope it. I hope you're right.

[Oscar]

I think so. Like, because she is so smart and she did, like, do so much work through, like, therapy and, like, self reflection to deal with, like, all the trauma that she's gone through. And then also, like, dealing with Nickelodeon and having, you know, all. Having to go through all of that stuff, too, with Dan Schneider. So, yeah, I feel like she's writing this. It is probably from the perspective of, like, how it's. There's the power dynamics and stuff. Like, not a romanticization or, like, glamorizing it, but, like, oh, this sucks. And also, I think it's, like, a nice shift from, like. Like, how you said early 2000s of, like, you know, Glee and Pretty Little Liars of, like, these student teacher relationships where it was, like, romanticized and there was something sexy about, you know, Having a crush on your teacher back in like the early 2000s and 2000s. So with Jeanette, I like, I trust it. Yeah. Versus if it was like a Colleen Hoover.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I think the only like sticky thing is like at some point before you show. Oh, why it's so bad is you have to show like the sexy part of it. Right. Like them falling for it or whatever. And like that part, even just writing it, I think would be, I would assume, triggering or just also like, even reading that part of it could sound sexy too. Kind of like 50 shades of gray. Right. There was obviously problematic parts. But then you read the sex part and you're like, this is like.

[Oscar]

But the intent writing that was for it to be hot. So like the purpose of it is like, like, it's that 50 Shades is classified as like a romance. It's in that, like, smut kind of novel genre. So what did she say?

[Trisha Paytas]

She. This was her statement. You just read that?

[Oscar]

Yeah, that was her in the press release. That's what she said. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like the name Waldo. I love. What is that called? Gender bending name.

[Oscar]

I know, I do like that name.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cute for a girl.

[Oscar]

I wonder where she came up with that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I guess I have to read the book. There's probably something where it's not her real name.

[Oscar]

It's probably like, yeah, she chose.

[Trisha Paytas]

No one could find her. So they called her Waldo. You know, like something like that. I can imagine something like that. I'm here for it. It is surprising. It is surprising. I like Jeanette McCurdy. I hope she comes on the podcast when she promotes her book. So I'm here for it, but hate the book.

[Oscar]

Hate it, but come on here.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I know I need to be open minded, but as soon as I. I wasn't even like, talk about it because I was like, oh, well, it's so obvious. I'm just like, this is disgusting. Shouldn't be written, but it is.

[Moses]

Well, she can come and change your mind.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

I will. I really like Jeanette McC's like, writing style and I like her like the way that when she does interviews, like when she was promoting, I'm glad my mom died. Like, the way that she talks about things is very insightful and like, not in a like condescending way. Like the way she talks about like, she talks very intelligently about like, you know, everything she's gone through, but she also like, doesn't make, make you feel stupid about it, you know, for that not understanding, like, you know, why would she name it this? Why is she glad her mom Died. You know what I mean? So I really like Jeanette McCready.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love that title. I think that's like the best title and cover of like, any. I'm sure it's why it was like, the best.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it is like, it's attention grabbing. It's like, smart. And then the book, like, lays out the in dynamics of their relationship so well, like the way that she recalls, like the conversations with her mom. I think she's just such a really good, good author.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you listen or you read?

[Oscar]

I. For Jeanettes, I did both. Like, I would listen and then when I had time to read, I would like, pick up the book and then read where I left off the audiobook.

[Trisha Paytas]

I, I, yeah, I don't listen. Sometimes I do, but I haven't listened like, recently to like, a memoir or anything like that. I would be interested to hear some because the only one I listened to is Britney's, but it was not her who read it.

[Oscar]

Michelle Williams.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, Michelle Williams. So it's different. I, I don't think I've listened to a memoir her Reverend Wilson. I read her or I listened to hers. But I like, I like reading them too.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I like when it's like memoirs. I mean, I haven't listened to one in so long. I heard Alison Stoner's book from like, Camp Rock and Disney Channel. They just released their book and they did the audiobook for that too. And I heard the audiobook is really good because of how they just like, again, how they recall the stories and they get, like, emotional and choked up and stuff. So like, it really sends it home.

[Trisha Paytas]

See, I haven't listened to. Yeah, but now I want to listen to memoirs like that because I feel.

[Oscar]

Like you might like Allison Stoners because it's, it's about like, child stardom and, you know, what they learned from being a child star and suffering through eds. Like how Demi Lovato going to rehab is what inspired them to go to get treatment too. It's so interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that kind of stuff I do love because it's like I'm always like, maybe I'll put my kid. But then I was thinking, like, no, I need to read.

[Oscar]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have like a good, really good perspective. And now it's like they want to do like, they got their. I forget which license. But now they want to, like, work on sets to kind of help kid, like child stars navigate. Like, okay, like, now I'm in character and then going back into real life, which I think is really interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, so they're not, like, totally just trying to do away with it?

[Oscar]

Not fully. Like, there's just. It's kind of hard to make it, like, go away completely. I think. I think they know that. I think Allison knows that. But, yeah, like, they said they want to, like, work on these sets and help, you know, kids navigate that. Or even everyone, like, the crew members. Like, when you're dealing with stuff that's, like, really serious or, like, dark material, you know, like, how do you have kids go in and out of that? Or, like, the people. Even the crew members shooting it? So, yeah, having just, like, someone licensed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who can help with that in any scary ones, or were they, like, only in. Because we saw Cheaper by the Dozen with them?

[Oscar]

Not really. I think they just had, like, the. It was, like, the. The competition and also being, like, the breadwinner for the family. And, like, Allison was on Disney Channel for so long but didn't have, like, a starring role, like, was always a supporting character. And Allison talked about how, like, they were gonna turn 18 and that, like, the expiration date was coming, like, how they were gonna be out of chances and how that made them spiral.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

And then seeing Demi Lovato take off after block, and then really, like, would have this insane competition between the two of them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it is really interesting. And then Demi going for everything that she went through, and then Allison was like, wait, like, I actually need treatment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

And Allison thought that, like, after getting treatment, that that would be their chance to finally get a starring role. So they sought treatment, thinking, like, oh, this helped my career. But then in treatment, realized, like, oh, wait, I was. Was really messed up psychologically. So it's very interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Allison has a podcast about it.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I always see clips, so that's why I was like, yeah, interesting. Child stardom is rough, I think, for anyone. I think even if you have, like, good. I just feel like it's rough.

[Oscar]

It is odd. Like, I wonder if it's just better now because I see it like, child stars. I was thinking of young Sheldon, I guess, because they started when they were 9 years old, and then now, like, they're, you know, 17, 18.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. So little.

[Oscar]

I know. They all seem, like, so, like, well adjusted and normal and stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, they're still young.

[Oscar]

Yeah, True, true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe 24. They're like, oh, no, young Sheldon.

[Oscar]

But maybe there's also more awareness now for it. Like, people watch it, and more resources for, like, the kids on set and stuff, I would think. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Does Young Sheldon have a twin on the show?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

We saw Big Bang Theory last night, and he had a hot twin sister. Like, I wonder if she is on Young Sheldon.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

We get that now. I start thinking about that.

[Oscar]

That's all. Because I. I did watch Big Bang, like, the first couple seasons of Big Bang Theory, but I was in high school, so I don't really remember it, and. But I do love young Sheldon, and there's, like, connections that I had no idea while I was watching.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I would like to know. I was, like, interesting. I. I can't stand Sheldon, the character. I just don't like him. I get it. That's why we're not supposed to like him. But there are people who, like, we love Sheldon. Obviously, he had a spin off. And I was like, I'd rather see young Leonardo. Young Penny, like, anyone but young Sheldon. Like, he just. I don't know. I don't. I don't get the appeal that Ian.

[Oscar]

Armitage is just too charming.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love him.

[Oscar]

Love the little boy.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's a theater kid. And love him. And just the idea of the show. You see, there's another spin off, too, of young Sheldon.

[Oscar]

There's Georgie and Mandy, that. Which is on right now. And then I think there's another spin off a Big Bang Theory in the works. And then some people want Sheldon's twin, Missy Cooper to get a spin off. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I could see that she was very. Yeah. The episode we were on last night was everyone thought she was hot and wanted to date Sheldon's twin sister. Yeah. It was very. I don't really like that show. It's just like there's nothing else on. There's literally nothing else on.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I started watching 90 Day Fiance UK. Not even the US version, but that's my. Is that the same Is still on at least. So at least mine's a little relevant.

[Trisha Paytas]

I used to love 90 he never wanted to watch it anymore. I love 90 Day Fiance when I met him, I want to watch. We watch every single Single Life and the Other Way. And I loved all of them. I love 90 fiance the other way. Do you ever see that one?

[Oscar]

No. Darian just started watching 90 Day Fiance UK with his friends when he was traveling, and then he started watching it at the apartment. I was like, what is going on? I got fixated, and now we're going back and watching them all.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never watched the UK is good.

[Oscar]

One of the queen. I get really nosy, and I'm like, what Are they up to now? One of the little queens. I knew she was a girly on the show. I could see it. And then she follows you and Tana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

And I was like, those are the only two, like, mutual follows we had. And I was like, I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you follow, like, quite a few people, I would think, like Lady Gaga usually. You know what I mean? Like, she just follows me and Tana. That's crazy.

[Oscar]

Yeah. That's all the mutuals we have was. Yeah, you and Santa. I'm like, I knew she had taste. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's British.

[Oscar]

She's British and her husband is from Egypt.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love those.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it was. This is not even the currency, this one. The season four, I think. I think it's on five right now. But she was in Egypt traveling with her fiance, and then the waiter came and then she just fell in love with the waiter. Fiance.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the scandalous part of 90 fiance. They're always with someone else when they meet the person. I'm always like, okay, why?

[Oscar]

But she's so gorgeous. Now she has a baby with her husband. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did they show her in Egypt or they show him in England?

[Oscar]

They show they were long distance at first. Like, it picked up with them long distance. And then she would go to Egypt to see him, and then he moved to the uk.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's one on the other way that she moved to Egypt. Remember that girl that moved to Egypt and was it Egypt or Jordan or. There's two different ones.

[Moses]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You remember the girl with the blonde hair? She was from la. She had a short bob.

[Moses]

That was Egypt. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love seeing it. So first of all, I want to go to Egypt so bad. I think that'd be so fun. I don't know, like, if they like tourists or anything, I guess. I don't know. I see a lot of tick tockers go. But I would assume that people would get annoyed with Americans over there. I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe they love it. It let us know if you're Egyptian. But I would love to see the pyramids. I always see people like Ava Gatowski, she's like on a camel going to see the pyramid. And I'm like, oh, that'd be so fun to do. Because it's like a seven wonder, right? There's seven wonders of the world.

[Moses]

I mean, it's definitely one of the biggest wonders of the world.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, how do they build those pyramids?

[Oscar]

Did they build it? I don't know.

[Moses]

Many videos about.

[Oscar]

Do you know how I have no idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

You don't know. They're made out of sand or brick or what.

[Moses]

Now they just found under the pyramids there's like a structure that goes down, miles down.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they.

[Oscar]

Mr. Beast was over there doing a video. That's all I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. I'm sure they're annoyed. They're probably like, no, not you.

[Moses]

That depends on the climate. I mean there's a big tourism going just for the pyramids and other things in Egypt. It just depends on the climate. Sometimes it's a bit. Gets a bit dicey and they could attack tourists cuz they don't want it to come. But most of the time that's not the case.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, maybe they're like the tourists did something for them to probe them, to attack them. It's like snakes, you know, they don't want, they don't want to attack you until you, you push them.

[Oscar]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[Moses]

Because if you think about the pyramids are not necessarily like whoever built them is not necessarily. Who lives there now?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, definitely not. They're dead.

[Moses]

So they were built literally before.

[Trisha Paytas]

When were they built? Before Jesus, that is.

[Moses]

Also they're arguing about they're not alive.

[Trisha Paytas]

If they built them.

[Moses]

Some people claim they were built even even further back.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like do you think Moses saw the pyramids as he was, he was an.

[Moses]

Architect on the pyramids in this Bible.

[Trisha Paytas]

But that's what I'm saying, like a year. Yes. The timeline is that he could have done that theoretically, if he was.

[Moses]

Theoretically. But most people think the pyramids are much older than that. Like much older.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they just made that rumor up.

[Oscar]

Rumor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you're like, you said that. I was like, okay, well I would like to know who's. Who built them. Did you look that up?

[Oscar]

Ancient Egyptian pyramids were. Oh, I looked up when they were built between 2700 BCE and 1500 BCE, but let me see who built them.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm so about timelines. Like, when was Moses bce? Do you know? You don't know?

[Moses]

I don't know the years?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Wow. But that's your namesake. You would know everything about Moses.

[Moses]

No.

[Oscar]

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[Oscar]

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[Trisha Paytas]

In that case, we shouldn't go visit the pyramids. Right? Those pyramids.

[Oscar]

Let us know in the comment. Yeah, why is Mr. Beast over there doing video?

[Trisha Paytas]

That is actually crazy. That's true. I did not know that at all. And not. That's. Oh, my God, that's so dark. Okay, let us know.

[Oscar]

Yeah, we're open to feedback on that one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like you knew that because he was being so quiet and I was like, why are you being quiet?

[Moses]

I mean, I think what it just had to do with freeing the slaves.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, well, there's so much controversy here. I don't know where to navigate this. I don't know.

[Moses]

That's why it's better to think that aliens, you know, came and built their pyramids.

[Oscar]

But then I would be pissed if I, like, built that thing and people are like, aliens. When did that happen?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's so true, too. That's Like Egyptian eraser or something like that. Like taking away or labor.

[Oscar]

Like the architect or whatever. Yeah, sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Whoever did do it.

[Moses]

Yeah. It is worth celebrating today. Labor Day. Damn the hard work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, my God. This is. This sounds sad. Now I'm sad about it. Damn, you're right. Because everyone else gets credit.

[Oscar]

Yeah. But I guess aliens.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there is. Okay, because even, like, the. The Wall of China, Right. That's the seventh wonder or Stonehenge. Like, isn't there all speculation who built all them? Is that why they're called the wonders? Because people don't really know they weren't given credit? None of them.

[Moses]

Well, the scale and the size. But there's things like the Wall of China that you can see how it was built. But there's things that. The stones, the size, the precision. They don't think people could do it back then, but I think people were smarter than we think.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses]

And were able to do things that we don't understand.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're probably smarter now. Yeah. If they did that.

[Moses]

Because, I mean, that's all they did, was work with stone. So they were better than we are. Ever will be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do they know how you built, like, the Empire State Building? Like, do we know how that's made? Like, who made it? Do we know how they built it? Because I toured it, and they were showing people, like, working on it. But how did they get down once they build it, to the top? Stop.

[Moses]

Right?

[Oscar]

Aliens from 1930 to 1931, designed by Shreve, Lamb, and Harmon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, they got credit.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Oscar]

I mean, people do build skyscrapers that I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, okay, you're at the top. I get it. They have those things that swing, that hold people. But how are they being held at the top? What's above them? Do you know what I mean?

[Oscar]

Like, you know, don't they build the scaffolding? Like. But how do they build a scaffold? I guess you're right. I mean, there. There definitely is an easy explanation because they do it all the time, so they have to know what they're doing. But you're the architect.

[Moses]

I'm just enjoying letting you guys.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. How do you build the top layer of something that is nothing above you? Empire State Building is the tallest in New York. So, like, how are they. How are the scaffolding up there?

[Moses]

Well, this thing called the crane.

[Trisha Paytas]

But where's the crane?

[Moses]

The crane is, like, outside of the building, but you keep adding height to it, and it climbs up. And sometimes the crane is attached to the building. So you can keep going above the building.

[Oscar]

Wow.

[Moses]

But the scaffolding. You should watch people build scaffolding. They're like little ends. They just take one piece on top of a piece on top of a piece. And they can go up high.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even know what to do.

[Moses]

I mean, in Thailand, they make scaffolding out of bamboo. They build high rises like bamboo scaffolding.

[Trisha Paytas]

But then if a panda comes along and wants to eat all that bamboo, you're screwed. Yeah. That's crazy. But I do love it. All right, I'll believe you. Only because I don't know what else, because that doesn't make real sense to me. But we don't need to get further into it, I suppose. But if you're attached to the building and there's a crane, what are they balancing on the crane to build it up there?

[Moses]

The crane brings all the materials up there. They have little elevators.

[Trisha Paytas]

And there's not a person out there building.

[Moses]

There's a person on top of the crane. Yeah, there's people all the way to the top.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crazy.

[Moses]

It's dangerous. I mean, people die building those things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Yeah, that makes sense. That's sad.

[Moses]

Like the pyramids were built over such a long period of time. Like the amount of people that is. Are buried there is insane.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's crazy. Yeah, the kind of the. The person that. I guess you had no fear of heights. And then you also have to be good at architecture. That's like a lot.

[Moses]

Yeah, same like, you know, Hoover Dam. There's like so many people buried there in the concrete.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did someone make that? I thought that was like a natural. Like a Grand Canyon.

[Moses]

Isn't that the natural thing? Built it. I think it's like 40 something people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, man, these conversations are crazy.

[Oscar]

Yes, but how the water.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does that mean?

[Oscar]

Water erodes the rock and then it makes a canyon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, interesting.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

How come there's not more of those? There's only one. You know what I mean?

[Moses]

Like, second is that there's Egyptian. There's like Egyptian buildings and things in the Grand Canyon. That's why they don't allow people in.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Grand Canyon far away from Egypt to come.

[Moses]

Yep. Not if you're an alien bodies.

[Trisha Paytas]

Weird. Anyways, these are not hot topics anyone cares about. But how do we even get here?

[Oscar]

That is a good question. What got us to Egypt?

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

What wonders of the world. And I forgot to bring this up last week. And I was kicking myself. Oh, Jamie lee Curtis's breasts. 8th wonder of the world.

[Trisha Paytas]

I was talking about this with my mom too. Really? Where do they come from? That is it was. Where did it come from? Because I never remember. Call it the Mandela fact. I remember Jamie Lee Curtis having huge boobs like this. I know because we just watched last Showgirl and she was in it and she was dancing and she had huge boobs. I'm like, what? Where did this come from?

[Oscar]

Where did those things come from?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, because even like in the 80s, I remember her being the sexy one. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger, she's in a thong dancing for him. And John Travolta, she's like in a thong dancing with him. And I remember her out, but I don't remember, like, big out.

[Oscar]

I know. I was truly gagged. I was truly gagged. All the got reignited because she, she did a little social video for Freakier Friday and she was dressed like Tess Coleman, her character from the movie. And yeah, those things were just sitting, sitting up and sitting right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because even in the movie it doesn't seem like they're that big. Because I remember that dress she wore in the movie and I'm like, what? Like, what did she say? Nothing. Or people are just gagged over it.

[Oscar]

Everyone was gagged over it. Because it was also just the fact that it was in a promotional video like on Disney's social media platforms. And those things were just sitting up, sitting right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were they out?

[Oscar]

They were just perky and there was cleavage. There was cleavage and they were just sitting up and sitting right. And I mean, they were eye catching for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Disney is like, I think they're just going rogue at this point.

[Oscar]

Whatever it takes. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I feel like they're just casting and doing random things and just. Yeah, they don't really have a After went viral.

[Oscar]

She did say, I love the fact that the last photograph of me as test taken backstage in costume from my surprise appearance at El Capitan Theater to support Freak your Friday has gotten more attention than any other since the announcement post with Lindsay Lohan that sparked the movie getting made. Happy. To help spread the joy that our movie serves. So she was living funny. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she loves attention and like, not a bad way, but she seems like she loves attention and that's the big boobs. But I Just think in general, she does big boobs. What is that from? Oh, okay. That's like, yes, big boobs, breasts. What do we say? I don't know. But she just seems to always be in the news, you know, she always has something to say about something.

[Oscar]

Yeah, she cracks me up. Yeah. I mean, who knew the body was tea like that? It's not me, but, you know. Noted. Definitely noted.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw last Showgirl. She dances. There's a scene where she's like. She's a cocktail waitress, but she, like, dances on stage. And it shows her ankles and her legs. And I was like, man, she looks pretty good. I don't hold shoes, but I saw.

[Oscar]

A video of Jamie Lee Curtis. It was from a few weeks ago, but, you know Baby Neza the Tiktoker, and.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I don't think so.

[Oscar]

Maybe she. I don't know the context of how this happened, but I guess she's a Jamie Lee Curtis Stan. And she had a party, like, a birthday party at the beach, and Jamie Lee Curtis came to surprise her. And, like, she was in tears over Jamie Lee Curtis, and Jamie Lee Curtis held her to her bosom and was, like, stroking her head. And then they did, like, Jamie Lee Curtis sat Baby Nezza on her lap on the. As they sat down, baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, she's not. She's a teenager. Well, that way you were describing it, I'm like.

[Oscar]

What does that mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's just her name, Baby Nessa.

[Oscar]

Like, she took it like she was in tears. So she, like, held her and she was, like, crying on her bosom and like, she was stroking her baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Nessa's, like, loving it. And they don't know each other.

[Oscar]

I think she just came as a gag to surprise, like, the number one Jamie leclerc Curtis fan. But maybe it was damage control after the. The bow and Yang and moment. Did she ever say anything?

[Trisha Paytas]

She never said anything about it. I want that clarifying. I wish I wouldn't know what happened. That's so crazy. I love it. I love when celebrities do that. And she seems like. I said, she does seem like that person that's just out there and just wants to do things. I remember the image I have of Jamie Lee Curtis. It all goes back to weight for me, honestly, as a teenager. And what impacted me, I remember when I was, like, in middle school, maybe she was on the COVID of, like, fitness magazine, and she's like. But what I told them is, I don't want any Photoshop, no facetune. I just want to be there with My fat belly hanging out. And I remember being like, yes, love that. But then I, like, went to go look at the picture, and it was like, I don't know, from 2003 or something like that. And she's, like, so tiny, and she just has, like. She has. Yeah, a little belly out or something like that. But I remember was a huge deal. Everyone's like, oh, my God. She was showing all her roles and her fatness, and she was, like, so, like, skinny on this cover. But it was, like, a big deal back then. And she like, that's what I said. I said, no Photoshop on this thing. And I was like, okay, but skinny legend all day long. But she thought it was, like, so.

[Oscar]

Brave for the time. It probably was, though. We got to give her that. 2003. Anyone coming out and being like, you know, having a little role was fierce. Tyra, as we know is. But it is crazy looking back, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

But both of those instances, I think the problem is calling themselves fat, because then you're just like.

[Oscar]

The industry was calling them fat. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, true.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So they. But they thought they were fat because people were saying they were fat. And compared to. Comparison to, like, I mean, early tooth, like, Y2K. Like, skinny, like, scary thin, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. That's true. You're right. I guess. Yeah. Jessica Simpson with the pants was fat. Yeah.

[Oscar]

So weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

As fat Jessica Simpson on the eminem video in 2009. Oh. Same year as dropped a diva. 2009, I was fat Jessica Simpson. The same year dropped a diva was out. That's so interesting. And I was like. And everyone on TikTok is out. Like, oh, my God, her body was so tea. And it's true. But I was considered extra large obese Jessica Simpson. And I remember going to the audition and there were. Because we had to be in bikinis, and I remember there were, like, really, really large girls there. And they did not pick that. Her to be Jessica Simpson. They picked me. And I was like, that's so interesting that they casted me as obese Jessica Simpson.

[Oscar]

Yeah. They didn't want the realness of, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I feel like they thought I was obese enough.

[Oscar]

But they. They didn't want, like, anyone who was like, medically.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I know it isn't. Yeah, you're right. But it's weird. You think if they wanted to do a parody, you know, they would go a little bit.

[Oscar]

But I think they wanted it to be someone who's hot. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I would like to think that, but I don't know if that was true. I think it was supposed to be.

[Oscar]

A joke, but still hot, you know? I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why would they want a hot joke?

[Oscar]

But if they wanted it to be just a joke, they would have got the biggest girl they could possibly find.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that was kind of twisted at them. They're like, let's make fun of her with this person who's 170 pounds. And I was 21. I was like, cute. Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Jessica Simpson's in the news. Actually, I didn't even write this down, but I just love. She went to the Ashley stuff. Simpson Vegas residency opening. And was singing along, and it really took me back to 2004.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of love that. First I'll just go and Ashley are like, my favorite people.

[Oscar]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love that. Oh, my God. We should go see it. When. How long is she there for?

[Oscar]

Good question. I don't think she's there for very long.

[Trisha Paytas]

Whoever. Ashley Simpson, residency in Vegas should get a raise. Like, I do think this is a Gen Z gay. And they're being like, let's get Ashlee Simpson. And he, she or they nailed it. You know what I mean? I think that's amazing. And. And I don't know anyone else who thought of that. And I thought that was amazing.

[Oscar]

Whoever did it, it goes until September 27th.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's she at?

[Oscar]

The Voltaire.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where? In what hotel? It sounds familiar.

[Oscar]

Voltaire. The Venetian.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, one of my favorite hotels. And it's connected to the sphere. You can walk through the Venetian to go to the Sphere. That is everything I want to the sphere so bad. They have wizard of Ozark right now. Backstreet Boys is coming back at Ashley Simpson at Venetian. Absolutely. Sign me up. Oh, man. She won't be there when I'm in Vegas. Vegas. Damn. If I could pick one show to go see, I would go see Ashley Simpson right now.

[Oscar]

I love. I can't even tell you, like, the. I think she was my first concert, actually. And Universal City Walk, they had, like, that little amphitheater.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you. Outside the amc?

[Oscar]

No, it was an amp. It was like a theater. The Gibson Amphitheater still there? No, it's not there anymore because I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always would drive past it.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it was. It's been gone for a while. But I saw. She was my first concert, and I saw her there, there, and I was so like, I love.

[Trisha Paytas]

How big was it, do you think? I love amphitheaters. I wish they'd have more of Those Irvine used to have one. That's where I saw NSYNC for the first time. Was at an amphitheater. I thought it was so cool.

[Oscar]

I wonder I wasn't huge.

[Trisha Paytas]

Bring it back.

[Oscar]

6,200 people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. That's a good size. And was she by herself?

[Oscar]

I think so. I don't remember if she had an opener, but that would be a guy. Because I love. Loved on the way down. But I loved Ashley. Like, yeah, the. Like, such a formative music artist for me was Ashley really.

[Trisha Paytas]

What song was it that got you?

[Oscar]

I loved Autobiography. You think you know me because I thought it was so edgy. She kind of gives me a live. Like, Olivia Rodrigo also serves. Like, it gives what Ashley Simpson gave with, like, the pop rock, like, a little bit of edge. Even though they're both, like, gorgeous girls. But.

[Trisha Paytas]

But yeah, it's not really edgy. It's giving, like. Yeah, like.

[Oscar]

But I guess because everyone else is so pop, like, at the time for, like, Jess, like, Jessica Simpson and like, Britney, like, all the pop girls to have, like, the. The edgy girl with, like, the black.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hair, like, the scarf around her, wearing boy clothes.

[Oscar]

She was cursing. Yeah, she was real.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I remember. She'd be like. She goes, yeah. I just. I'm not Jessica. Like, I like, you know, like, I remember the. The wings commercial where she's like, why do I have to be the boy? Like, Jessica's not hot. She's, like, in her flannel and it was. It was crazy. But that was her. She was the anti Jessica, like, in looks. Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

And marketed, like, the music, everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true.

[Oscar]

I loved Ashley Autobiography, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was good. Was that the name of her album, the big one?

[Oscar]

Yes. That was her first album. Autobiography. Pieces of me. La la was on that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Piece of me was good.

[Oscar]

Make me wanna la la me at like, 12 years old thinking, like, how. Yeah. I was in middle school.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even know you.

[Oscar]

Make me wanna la la I'm the.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kitchen on the floor I'm like an alley cat oh, drink the milk About.

[Oscar]

One more is about getting f d down real good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Oscar]

Yeah. I mean, like 12. I'll be your French maid When I meet you at the door I can't. I was singing that as if it was like the most emotional, empowering lyrics ever at 12 years old.

[Trisha Paytas]

Empowering a guest.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's it. Damn. Okay. She was like, a naughty version.

[Oscar]

She was naughty.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was real.

[Oscar]

Just the Simpson.

[Trisha Paytas]

Their big thing was like, she was a virgin until she was married.

[Oscar]

And love the Lord.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, well, she went wild after which. Good for her, because that is crazy to be. Look, I. I'm all for it if you want to, but that is crazy to be a virgin when you're married and then that's the person you're with the rest of your life. You'd have to think you, like, would miss out a little bit. Maybe not.

[Oscar]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

God, that's crazy. I don't know. One person. Just think about one person forever. Nick Lachay on top of that. That. I don't know if that's the one person I want to be with forever.

[Oscar]

At the time, he was giving beefcake.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know, that 98 degrees tattoo on the bicep.

[Oscar]

That's true. In the sun, kind of. Yeah. But at the time he was beefy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. At the time, looking back, like, what? What was any of us thinking?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you seen him now performing on tour?

[Oscar]

No, I haven't seen him perform, but I have seen him on what's it called? Love is Blind.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're on a tour right now. They're on a world tour right now out 90 degrees and it's the most diet. It's all over my Tick tock. I can't believe I've seen it. It's diabolical. It's them just in all white performing Larger than life and they're doing like all the parts and they're trying to sound like all the Backstreet Boys. It is so weird. Last night I saw them performing in freaking, like, Sarasota, Florida, performing Dong Song and like, Dan Dan, and they're doing like, choreo.

[Oscar]

Why aren't they doing their own song?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what everyone's asking. They're like, are they a cover band? They did Baby One More Time in Tampa. Like, they are, first of all, going all over Florida, which is insane. They're doing like 10 shows in Florida, but then they're just touring, like, Ohio. I think they're playing Sugar Land, Texas, where I couldn't sell out. They're playing that same theater with O Town, but it's so bad and so cringy. None of them can sing or dance anymore. They're fit, I'll give them that. They're wearing skinny jeans, which is insane. Like the tightest skinny jeans you ever seen. It's so weird. It's weird. It literally looks like. And like I'm not even. Whatever. It looks like my tour, where it's just like a screen behind them and just like, like like, lights flash. Like, it's so weird, but it's, like, not camp because they're also, like, 50, and we also know how awful they were. He was to Jessica. So it's just, like, such a weird thing. They're not singing their own songs. Maybe they are. Oh, no, they are. They are. Oh, this is the part. This is the part. I'm not making this up either, because this sounds like I'm making it up. When I was. Like, when I would scroll at night, I have nightmares about it. There was one where they sing. There's a song about. They used to always sing it and they drew it now where it's talking about, like, proposing and is it I do maybe? It's like, I do cherish you. I do cherish you for the rest of my life. You don't have. You know that song?

[Oscar]

Oh, I don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that one. Is that a song? Is it 90 degrees?

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's called I Do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And they sing it. They bring girls up on stage and they sing it to them like they're proposing to them. Like they're holding their hands. My God.

[Oscar]

They want their Justin Bieber.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. But they're doing it. What looks like to be very young girls. I don't. I can't verify ages, but it's like these men are in their 50s, and they're bringing up these very young, like, bring up women that look like they liked you back then. You know what I mean? That look like the age, but they bring up these, like, young girls. And the young girls are probably, like, so confused. They're doing weird, like, magic mic moves while they're singing it. It's so 90 degrees. Touring right now is my. Maybe my favorite and most horrific thing that I see on TikTok. Because all the comments pass the vibe check. They're all like, what is this? What is happening? Why are they performing Thong Song? Like, it's just so cringe. And look, everyone has to make money. But like, you said Nicholas shaded Love is Blind. Like. Like, he should be okay. Vanessa was on Hawaii 50 or whatever that show was. Like, they should be fine. I guess. I guess you can always make money. I guess you always need money. But what, like, this is bad. It's bad. It's just like, you see MCR at stadiums. They seem like 98 degrees just doing this weird, like, karaoke shower.

[Oscar]

Backstory boys at least are at the sphere, right?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I think that part, too. You see the backstory boys of the sphere doing, like. Like 18,000 people per night. Just like killing the choreo and like literally rising on a stage in 90 degrees. It's just doing like little like sidesteps. So larger than life. Like, what are you doing? It's so weird. It's so weird. I guess. Cause I just like can't stand Nick Lachey after reading, like, just even watching Newlyweds back. He was such an. He was such an to her and I will never forgive him. So I guess this is. The comments will say that too. Like Jessica watching this right now being like karma and it's so true. They're so cringe. Ashley Simpson. I approve. Even O town. Yeah. I'd like to see them 90 degrees. Maybe just stick to hosting Love is blind, Dancing with the Stars. Because even his brother was kind of a little on Newlyweds too. Drew Lachey. He was not to his wife. I don't. I didn't like them. Was it. No. Casey was the assistant. He was married to someone. I forgot. But all awful people. Actually, her assistant Casey married Donald Faison from Scrub.

[Oscar]

Really? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she married him. I was like, good for her. I think they had babies together and stuff. But I loved Newlyweds. I would love to go see Ashley. I would love to go see her. I love her too. She was cool. She's still. And she had a show too, with Evan Rock.

[Oscar]

Oh, yeah. Husband Evan Ross. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are they still together?

[Oscar]

They're still together and they have babies and she looks really good. I was like, yeah, gosh, looks. She's 40 now and she is like, like, so fierce. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She Only 40, a few years older than me. Wow. I always thought I was like, way younger than them, but man, we're all the same age. She looks great. I love that she's singing again. Even like her asl. When you look back at that, it's just kind of iconic acid reflux. Yeah. Cuz her show, when she would say that too, like, everything went wrong. It was like acid reflux. But then also, like, there was something else. There was so many things that happened where she, like, couldn't talk at all. And she's like, I can't talk. I have this. I have this. And I was like, damn, girl, you really had everything going on. I know.

[Oscar]

It was giving Jaclyn Hill's lipstick, which is everything comically almost going wrong. Yeah. Because not one thing went right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I gotta rewatch it because I saw a clip of her talking about snl. Like, literally. Yeah. It was like a series of things.

[Oscar]

Just being like, thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. But she's Great. She should go back on it. Did she ever. You said she did. We talked about this. I think.

[Oscar]

I think she must have gone back on it. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

There was someone recently and she did. She, like, went back on, but no one talked about it. And I was like, well, poor thing. I know. Give her the redemption. Her and Jessica.

[Oscar]

Oh, speaking of snl, what do you think of everyone? They're cleaning house over there.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, so far. Bowen's still there.

[Oscar]

So far, Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hope he says. Yeah. No, it's crazy. I saw my salter be like, am I leaving snl? I know.

[Oscar]

My question for you is say they say Bowen leaves the show. Say they're starting a brand new slate, and then they give you a call and like, okay, Trisha, we want you to be a cast member on Snow. But knowing that they just fired, like, all these iconic people and people are sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that's the. Okay. Do they fire? Did they leave?

[Oscar]

I think everyone. The goodbye sounded very sudden and, like, sad.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Oscar]

Yeah. And also, Lauren talked about how he really wanted to do a fresh start last year, but he wanted to wait because it was the big, like, you know, anniversary celebration. Yeah. So he's like, okay, we'll just do it next year. So now is how he's cleaning house. I read an article about that. I guess it was a room or just reporting, but I would say, call me. So he would. Even if Boeing got, like, fired, he.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would be like, okay, yeah, well, would you check in?

[Oscar]

Was you DM him first?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Are you okay?

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you fire or did you leave? Because what I gathered from this, my take was I thought only one person was fired because it sounded like the Emil Joaquim was fired because he's like, I got the call. It was like a gut punch. He was the only one to, like, specify that he was. Was like, shook. I thought, like, Heidi Gardner, who's been on their eight seasons, Michael Longfellow, to me, it's like, don't you. You want to leave because you're doing bigger projects? Right? Like, that's why people leave. Will Ferrell and Adam Sandler, like, they leave to go do bigger projects, maybe. Because that's. That's what I had gathered. I'm like, okay, one person definitely was fired.

[Oscar]

And that's like, no, I'm a little skeptical because of the. That article. Because I read this article about Lauren wanting to do, like, have a clean house for this season before all these announcements announcements started, but maybe not verified or anything. It was just, like, just reporting. Yeah, just one.

[Trisha Paytas]

One Article or is it like all the outlets are like everyone says? Because you would know. I know.

[Oscar]

I think I just read one article.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it dessert? Because it's like, you know, if it's like one of those. Okay. I don't know.

[Oscar]

I think it was a trade. I'm trying to see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, it should be done now, huh? Like, I mean, too many people have left. Or you think there's more coming this week?

[Oscar]

No. And also, it's weird that they're doing it. Like, it's like person by person.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what someone's saying. It sounds like it's like, like these deaths are just coming, you know, like Hunger Games status. Yes. Like we lost another image in the sky.

[Oscar]

Yeah. It is very odd.

[Trisha Paytas]

It is. Yeah. I'm very sad about Heidi. I think she was amazing. But again, eight seasons, I do think, like, she probably wants to leave.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They all seem like they want to at some point. Like, like it's like a high anxiety. Like, it's a lot. Devin Walker described his departure as like. Or his time began as an. And I was like, great, but also like, stressful.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I think that's like the general consensus you get from most people on that show is like, wasn't there a whole sketch? Wait, who did it? There was a whole sketch about having. Oh, what's his name? Bill Hader. I don't love him, but he's talked about how he didn't show up to SNL50 because he has a lot of anxiety. So then when he went to host, they did like a whole sketch about having anxiety from doing the show or something. So I think it's a very common thing. So I think some people just maybe want to leave because it's probably more high pressure than. Than you think. I mean, it's no joke. It's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. It's like your whole life. I don't think you can do anything else, literally.

[Oscar]

Oh, okay. So Lauren did an interview with Puck News. That's where it came from. Okay. And he. This was back in August 22. He did an interview with Puck News teasing major changes that will be coming. And he said it'll be announced in a week or so and that he delayed major switch ups because of the 50th, 50th celebration.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he's kind of saying, like, this is my decision.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I feel like maybe, maybe he says that to save face too. I was leaving. To me, it's just like, I don't know if Anyone would, like, not say the reason why. You know what I mean? Like, I think some one of them too came out and said, like, you know, like, we're fine. Like, we're not. Because people were like, so, like, what the heck? Like, yeah, I don't know know. Like I said, I know Emil was the one that was like, I'm surprised. This sucks. But I didn't hear anything. I don't know. It is a lot of people.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, hopefully they gave pay raises. Everyone staying because everyone's been there. Bowen's been there a long time. Who else is on?

[Oscar]

Oh, Thompson.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's. Oh, Keenan. Love that he's gonna be there forever. I love it. Staking. He must. God, I wonder if he gets a pay raise. He should.

[Oscar]

He must. Right? He's been there so long, he'll probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

Take over for Lauren. Like someone's take over for Lauren when he leaves. Like, maybe that's why he's staying so long. Are the Weekend Update people there still? Michael Che and Colin Jost?

[Oscar]

Neither of the hosts have confirmed or denied that they might not return, so there's a rumor that the Michael Shea and Colin Jost are going to be out too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, Bowen Yang, Matt Rogers, time to host Weekend Update. I love it for them.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God, that would be amazing. Or you and Bowen. Weekend Update would love.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if we're quite the iconic duo that they are as Losturistas is number one. But. But I will step in, of course. If anyone needs me on snl, I will be there. Yeah, I did love when Amy Poehler and Tina Fey did it together. That was kind of everything. I wonder if they ever had a girl. I guess the original one was a woman. No. Dan Aykroyd. I can't remember.

[Oscar]

Well, Lauren, give.

[Trisha Paytas]

Call me.

[Oscar]

Give Trent a call.

[Trisha Paytas]

Call me. TikTok. That won in. You remember that guy that wanted the audition? Who? I talked about him before on here. He was so cringe. He'd made an audition tape. Oh, my gosh, yes. Now's the time. Cast him more in Michaels or me. Honestly, I think it's probably really hard to, like, do like, impressions and also coming up with characters like, you know, I hate characters.

[Oscar]

True. That is you just like playing variations of yourself.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, yeah, if I can be myself in every sketch 10 times a night, sure. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Creating that kind of stuff, stuff seems difficult. Well, I guess the flip side of everyone leaving is there's new people coming on board, so that's exciting. I Love to see. I love to see new people on there. Who was the one? Michael Longfellow. I did like him. That's the one everyone was gagged over a few years ago when he joined the cast. I did like him, but maybe he's doing movies or TV show, you know, probably bigger and better things. I love snl. Wants to come back.

[Oscar]

I don't know what the date is. I think it comes back October, actually. I do not know that, man.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everything's October. Taylor Swift's album. All right, September. I know we just started, but let's get it over with. We have October. We have lots of things coming. Halloween, snl.

[Oscar]

Benson Boone. Reheating your nachos. Have you seen this? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What?

[Oscar]

Number one Benson Boone hater. I should have known.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is a fan. Was a fan, actually, though.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's he doing?

[Oscar]

So it started when Benson Boone covered an Adele song, which is kind of tangible. Hannah's nachos, if you think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. She really is. In her eye.

[Oscar]

Is. Yes. I. When I think of Adele presently, I do think of Tana Mongeau.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Oscar]

And he did a cover of When We Were Young at his American Heart world tour on August 25, and it went viral because everyone said, if you close your eyes, it does sound like Adele and not Benson Boone. And then he recently followed it up with a cover of Shallow. And I think there was a. I think he saw the clips of Moses coming after him and was like, check this one out. I'm gonna cover Shallow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Shallow's crazy. Do people know him for covering Shallow? Does he have any association with Shallow?

[Oscar]

None. Never heard him talk about A Star Is Born.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is he still on tour?

[Oscar]

I think the tour started recently.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, just wait. If there's King Tyler Black Parade, he is stealing there. Trish hate it. Right. Like, why is he doing Shallow? Like, that's not your song. No, that's not. You know what I mean? At least mine got, like 5 million views. It's like, you know, you probably got 5 million views, too. Is he a little monster? Do we have any knowledge of that? Any prior knowledge of that? Because that doesn't also make sense. Like, unless you went viral for it. You know, it's like, stick to Queen. You know, we saw you do that. That's great. We love, love that. I don't like people coming for that, especially. That's that song.

[Oscar]

It's so random. It's very pointed.

[Trisha Paytas]

It feels. Yeah. Because it's, like, so long ago it came out.

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I guess she's touring so maybe he's trying to compete with the Mayhem. Is she still going? Is she still on the ball?

[Oscar]

Mayhem ball. Let me see. Actually, I don't know, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it seems like it stopped. I saw sweet clips, you know, I never see any clips of Benson Boone.

[Oscar]

He just started. Oh, yeah, Lady Gaga is still going, actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's he?

[Oscar]

I'm in Florida right now. Let me see.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

So try the new Mount McDonaldland shake.

[Trisha Paytas]

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[Oscar]

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[Trisha Paytas]

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[Moses]

She never gets clipped. For doing your own songs. It's only if he's doing somebody else's song.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is true. Only cover is. That is crazy. Yeah. What?

[Oscar]

And his stage kind of looked like a scrotum. I think it was supposed to be a heart, but, like, the end of it looked like, like the ball sack and then two little balls and then it went. There's a catwalk all the way.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That doesn't sound like a heart. Why is it. Why is there a cat walk for a heart? He probably did on purpose, huh? Like, I don't think that, like, gets past anybody. Like, what it looks like.

[Oscar]

Well, his tour is called the American Heart Tour. And American Heart on tour.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right? American Heart. What does that mean?

[Oscar]

I think that's his album name. Oh, he is a little Americana.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he American? Oh, wait, what?

[Oscar]

Yeah, he was on American Idol and he is.

[Trisha Paytas]

But is he American?

[Oscar]

I think he's from Salt Lake because he used to be Mormon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, God, that explains so much, actually. That's crazy. I really thought he was like a. Like a Australian Freddie Mercury type. Nica. Yeah. I don't know. European, English, British, something. That's crazy. I really did. I thought, okay, we'll love that. Well, no, I don't love that. Actually. Salt Lake is. Is seems to. I don't know.

[Oscar]

This is the stage.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, okay. I see the. Oh, yeah, that's crazy. I see the heart. Oh, my God. Okay. That was on purpose. That's crazy. I think you have to blur it. I don't even think Jimmy can show it. That's crazy. That's wild. Okay. Benson Boone. I don't know. He. I'm telling you, he's giving me Maroon 5. Have we met a Benson Boone fan? You know what I mean? We like him. We see him. We acknowledge his talent.

[Oscar]

But Darian really likes Benson Boone.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Like, really. Like, is he going to see him on into work?

[Oscar]

No, thanks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. So not like a fan.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like there's fans that, like, go out and see him, but I don't know who they are.

[Oscar]

I mean, it's sold out really quickly. Cinderella is a fan of his. She interviewed him.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I would say no if they asked me on the podcast. Do you know what I mean? Like, you know, we want everybody. Right?

[Oscar]

I think there's. I feel like you have to say yes because there's so much for you guys to work out. Like, what I mean, also, our chairs.

[Moses]

Are so tall, so high. You know, we want to see him flip. Get on them.

[Trisha Paytas]

I said you were gonna talk about his height or something.

[Oscar]

I was like, he would hit these lights for sure. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. No Benson Moon hate. I guess.

[Moses]

Guess it's not Tate. We're just talking about, you know, safety and safety.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that Sage the name of the tour. I don't love the shallow cover. Maybe a little bit. A little bit of Benson Boom.

[Oscar]

Light shade.

[Trisha Paytas]

Light shade. No hate. No hate. Don't send hate to Benson Boom. I like him. He does give me theatrical vibes. Like, he seems like he could be in little shuffle horrors or something like that. You know what I mean? As a seamore. It's the mustache. The mustache gets me. I don't. I don't love a mustache. Unless Moses or Burt Reynolds is wearing it. I don't want it.

[Oscar]

He at least seems a little campy to me. Maybe it's just that one Zach saying interview clip where that part was great. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't recognize him. That's what I'm saying. It didn't look like the same person. I did not recognize it. That was great.

[Oscar]

He has his little moments that I'm like, oh, that's so camp to me.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I don't even think that was camp. I think he was just like, didn't know. Yeah, I think he was just like, oh, I'm talking to you. But I was with him on that. Honestly, that was the way Zach sang, the way Zack we talked about already, but the way Zach said it. He's like, who are you talking to? And he's like, you. The way. The way Zach said it was weird.

[Oscar]

I'm talking to you. Like the big pause.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I. I blame Zach on that one. Well, good for him. Everyone's on tour. He's like the only one on tour though for the fall. So I guess he's like that Monopoly. Cuz who else is right out there right now?

[Oscar]

Yeah. Right. I feel like a lot of people finish. Well, I guess Lady Gaga is still going for a bit. Katy Perry still going for a bit too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is she?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, right. You said in December.

[Oscar]

Yeah. So there's still a few 98 degrees.

[Trisha Paytas]

Go see them. Go see them today. I would go see Ashley Simpson. If I pick someone right now, it's Ashley Simpson. Oh, no, it's MCR has two shoes left, so. But aside from them then. Yeah.

[Oscar]

I am excited for your take on this. Nick Jonas's bedroom confession. Confession. He said he thinks beds are only for sleeping. He said, I don't sit on the bed. I don't eat on the bed. I don't read a book in bed or watch tv. I can't do it. And he doesn't also like to be under the covers. He said, I don't. I just don't like to get warm. I run hot. It's a whole thing. He said his wife Priyanka will watch TV in bed, but he will not. He'll get a. He'll pull up a seat and watch it next to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did we not talk about this on Hot Topics? Do I have deja vu?

[Moses]

I remember reading about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe I talked about with Tana. Okay. Because I swear we're talking about.

[Oscar]

But I love it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. No. In the words of Tana Mongeau, sociopath. That's. We read Cheesecake Factory. She was filming for her. Maybe that's why I had deja vu. She was filming for her channel. And then she said that was the first thing stood out of her mouth because I was reading the quote to her and she. So she bad. Then she goes, what am I? She. Dawson. Just like. But the kind of. Honestly, like, seriously, that because she will order food, she'll eat like, oh, we're having Cheesecake Factory. She go, I'll warm this up tonight and eat it in bed. And it was like nachos. It was like pulled cheese. Like, whatever. And I was like. Then we brought the Nick Jonas thing. I think if you don't sit in your bed, that's weird. Okay. Eating I get, like, eating. Yeah, you get crumbs, you get ants.

[Oscar]

But, like, Tyra loves that, but. Right. She needs crumbs in bed.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I think most people would be on the Tyra Tana, everybody else side. I don't think anyone's on Nick Jonas. Sometimes I think people say this to be a little quirky because there's just no way. If your wife's in bed watching tv, you pull up a chair.

[Moses]

That's the weird part. Because even if I didn't like it, I would want to be next to you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses]

Like, you cuddly, watch TV or whatever, but to bring a chair next to the bed, it's like, like, is the person ill or something? Like, it gives that feeling.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe he's. Maybe. Maybe she had sniffles. But would you watch TV in bed, eat in bed? Well, yeah, all of it.

[Oscar]

I wouldn't. I don't like eating in bed because I don't like the feeling of crumbs. But I definitely, like, will work in bed or read in. Like, I'll hang out in the bed. You know what I mean? I'll do every other activity.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does that mean?

[Oscar]

Because, you know, like, if you have a little chip crumb and then you feel it, like, you know, it hurts. It hurts when you have those, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sharp and your thumbs.

[Oscar]

No, like, if you eat like in.

[Moses]

Falls on the bed and.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And then you're laying on the bed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Then you lay on the crumb, leave crazy crumbs. Like, eat over your bag. I hate people who have crumbs. You, you're more crummier than I am too. When we eat dinner, like, for some reason, you always have crumbs. I never do. I like, you eat over your plate. Like, I don't understand how you have so many crumbs and other food everywhere.

[Moses]

Because I have a tray. The tray is my plate. Like, it's on the tray.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, no, no. There's plates. We have plates. And it's over the plate on the tray.

[Moses]

Because it's. It's, you know, cheesecake. They send you, like, bread on the side. So I'll have the bread separately, like, with, like, little butter or something. It has nothing to do with the plate.

[Trisha Paytas]

Crack it over the plate. There's so many.

[Moses]

But I have a tray. The tray is my plate.

[Trisha Paytas]

No matter what you eat, you always have more crumbs everywhere. And I never do. And but same thing in the bed. Like, okay, just eat over your bed. You don't have to have crumb. I never have crumbs. In the bed. Like, eat over it. Eat over it.

[Moses]

I don't eat it. I don't eat in a bed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, not you. You eat over it. Like, if there's crumbs in the bed that you eat.

[Oscar]

Well, I don't eat in the bed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you're scared of the crumb feeling, but just don't have crumbs in bed. Head.

[Oscar]

But also, Darian spills everything. So he is. We eat just on the table. And then sometimes, like, if we're watching TV and he wants to eat, like, I'll make him stand up because he can't sit on the sofa with, like, eating something because he will spill. He will spill.

[Trisha Paytas]

So, okay, so Darren can be on the chair. Yeah.

[Moses]

So look, this is a different issue. He has to stand up eating.

[Oscar]

Yeah, he can't because we have a new sofa and we don't have a coffee table anymore because the sofa's too. Too big. So he.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, wait. What? You said he has to stand up eating.

[Oscar]

He has to either stand, like, in the living room. If he wants to watch something while eating a snack, he has to stand, or he has to sit on the floor.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, why don't you have chairs?

[Oscar]

We have a sofa. But he's not allowed to eat on the sofa because he spills.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who says that? You.

[Oscar]

I say that? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why don't you put a blanket down like a.

[Oscar]

But he spills. He just spills so much that he's just banned.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you can wash the blanket still.

[Oscar]

It's too risky.

[Trisha Paytas]

So he's standing. You're sitting.

[Oscar]

If.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you standing with him?

[Oscar]

We sit together to eat dinner at, like, our table. But if he wants to eat a snack while we're watching a show or something, he has to sit. He's either sit on the floor or stand up, like, on the side.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is.

[Oscar]

But it also goes for me, too. I don't eat on the sofa either because I'm not scared of staining it.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you're not scared of staining.

[Oscar]

I am. Like, I won't eat anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

What kind of sofa do you guys have?

[Oscar]

It's from CB2, so it was kind of crayon barrel, too. Oh. So, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

And so you just don't want to ruin this couch?

[Oscar]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, our couch is custom, and we have spots everywhere. We have stuff everywhere.

[Moses]

You know, there's plastic this clear plastic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. Plastic on the furniture. Yeah. That's cute.

[Moses]

This isn't cultures that cover all the.

[Oscar]

Yeah, my grandma used to do that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I kind of Love that. It's also from Little Top Horrors. Like there's plastic on the furniture to keep.

[Oscar]

And the Beyonce song, oh, they talk about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, this is cool. It's in. You should do that. That's weird. That's odd. To like, not even have a snack on the couch.

[Oscar]

No, because the. When we first moved in together like that first week, he. We. He ate a chocolate chip cookie on the sofa we had at the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you hated it right away from the beginning.

[Oscar]

No, he dropped it and he didn't know. And so then he was like, sitting on top of this chocolate chip and then it rubbed in all over the sofa.

[Trisha Paytas]

What? Was he annoyed or you?

[Oscar]

I was annoyed. It was my sofa. It was my. And then he. And there was another thing too, where, like our. That our headboard is also fabricated fabric. Somehow he stained that as well. And I forgot this was all like the first week. So he's just always staining things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my. Well, usually the first week you forgive things. You're like, oh, whatever.

[Oscar]

I forgave, but I have not forgotten.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. That's crazy. We stay together for so long. I feel like, you know, that could be certain deal breakers for people. It sounds like it'd be a deal breaker for staining a couch. I would be like, you know, should.

[Moses]

We get the trays? We have Trish trays.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, then he'll just get it on the tray. Yeah, that's what the crumbs.

[Moses]

That's the purpose of the tray. It has the tray on him.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, there's just more crumbs to clean. There's just one more place for you to get crumbs. If you just do it on the table. I can just scoop it all up on the. At the edge of the table. But now it's like, okay, we gotta get off the tray and the table. It is crazy because you are a clean eater. It's actually like you eat more aesthetic than I do. Like, other things too. Like, if I cook, it's only bread. Brent's. If we. When I cook up. When we clean up after Brent's, there's always so many crumbs there. I always do. Yeah, there is. We did it yesterday. I was cleaning up so many. I mean, it's not a bad thing. You eat very clean. It's just like I'm always.

[Moses]

I think it was the whole table you were cleaning, not just me.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, your section. I know your section and I know their section. They had crumbs too, but mine doesn't.

[Moses]

Cuz I Had bread. I had the bagel with my stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so that's.

[Moses]

Bread has crumbs.

[Trisha Paytas]

When you eat from like Middle Eastern food, Mediterranean food, there's crumbs there. I saw it there.

[Moses]

Bread.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. So always. All right. Nothing wrong with it. I love you. I love it. I'm so messy. I'm the messiest person you put up with way more than I do. So just so we know you just don't call me out. Sorry, didn't mean to embarrass you.

[Moses]

I don't feel embarrassed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I don't know. You're giving me a look like why.

[Moses]

Am I saying this? No, I, I'm just. The fact that you're surprised. Is there crumbs falling off of bread? I'm surprised.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Cuz I eat bread all the time in bed actually. And there's never crumbs there because I eat over the plate.

[Moses]

No, it's different when you have a sandwich. Like that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I eat the toast. I eat toast and butter in bed. It's crunchy and I never get one crumb on there. Never. I don't know how people get crumbs unless they're. Yeah, you're a toddler, like Malibu or something. But she does spill. She loves to spill. But you know, we always clean up. What was it yesterday? There was something and she had a bowl or something. It's like, oh, she's going to spill. And then she ended up spilling it everywhere. Oh, it was the chips. She had the chip bag and she's like, she just like dumped it upside down and all the chips came out like no. And my mom's like, maybe we should get a vacuum. My mom's like, or just get Elvis in here because Elvis will just eat the crumbs. And she kind of did. Elvis did go for it. We cleaned it up obviously, but Elvis will go for the crumbs.

[Oscar]

And I guess the, the big tea was Tana on Jeff fm. Did you watch Jeff FFM all the time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Loved ffm. Do you watch it? Did you watch the whole one? Because one time you said you. Did you watch Watch it all?

[Oscar]

I watched the whole one of. Okay, I, I tried to watch you on Jeff fm. I could only get halfway through just cuz it was a little sensory overload. Not just the environment. The environment. It was a very straight environment.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never going back.

[Oscar]

And then I, I did watch the Toddy Smith one in fool, which was a journey. And then I, I clocked back in for Tana on Jeff FM last. Last night. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I saw clips. I didn't see the whole thing. Well, Tana had told me in person. I saw her Friday, and she's like, I can't. I can't keep going back on Jeff because he's always the drama, and she's trying to get away from drama. She's like, jeff, do you not understand? Like, this is why I left. This is why I'm stopping canceled. I don't want to be in the drama. I don't want to be part of the drama. But he did. She did tell me. She. I got a recap.

[Oscar]

Jeff Wittek, Jeffrey Whittake, I think, is the messiest straight man on YouTube. I have to say. That was my deduction production from the episode. I was like, this man is a little diabolical.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if I wanted to watch it, because she just gave me the recap that Todd was, like, standing 10 toes down, that he was in the right. She goes, there's no reason for me to lie about this. Like, she was like, there's no reason I would have to lie about this. I was like, yeah, it's Todd. Like, if you're gonna lie about something, it'd be like David Dobrik or someone that someone cares about and talks about. You know what I mean? No one's talking about this except for us, because we're, like, weirdly in this niche hole of me being part of, you know, like Dana, but no one else cares outside of us, you know? So anyway, so she sits down, and he's like, let's call Todd right away. How's it happening?

[Oscar]

Yeah, it was kind of a surprise. So Jeff and Tana were talking about, like, the Todd interview, and Tana was giving her opinion, like, her stance on it. About, like, oh, he just, like, came on here and lied. Like, he. I was. Was sober when I arrived, because it was right when she arrived at this premiere for a Paramount movie. I think it was that Margot Robbie one. But she was like, I just arrived on the red carpet. I was sober at the time. I was drunk later on that night, of course, but I just got there, so I'm not going to be showing up wasted on the carpet. And then she said that she saw Todd and Zayn. And then it was at the time where Tana was going really, really hard for Jeff and, like, standing up for him a lot. And Todd had said something to her, like, there are two sides of the story. Tana. And Tana went, what? Like Jeff and the Crane? And then he. Tana said that he just got in her face and was like yelling at her about it. And she doesn't remember like exactly what he said, but she does remember that he like got on her face. And like, I feel like two. This is just my two cents, but I feel like two because she talked about it too. Like her experience as a woman, like even though she hates like playing that card. But I feel like you do remember if you're like a small girl, like a, you know, a six foot guy yelling at you at a event. Like it's something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of course, you know. Yeah. A guy yelling anyways at a girl. It's like whatever. There's so many things that go in the guy's favor. This is one thing that should go in a girl's favor is like a guy shouldn't yell at a girl.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And aggressively. And Todd is, Todd is my least favorite of all them, you know, harmless, not much happening. But you know, Vlog squatter.

[Oscar]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. At least Zayn and Heath are bringing something. They're funny. They're bringing something. There's never a storyline revolving around Totty Smith. You know what I mean? And there's nothing wrong with that. He's just like a bystander.

[Oscar]

Stories. Well, he was always, you know, the one that would be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, date someone that was more relevant and more famous. Natalie Corinna. And there's nothing wrong with that. Girls do that all the time. They date someone that has more status, more brain cells, more money, whatever it is, to get elevated. And that's why he was featured but rarely even then. You know what I mean? Like, I think he even tried when he was dating Natalie. Oh, I'll get featured more. But it still wasn't. Still wasn't working because I remember when I left, Natalie would get featured more and Todd was never there. Do you know what I mean? Good for Natalie. Okay, they need a girl. Okay, step in. But Todd. No, any, anyways. And he was always kind of mean. He was. Oh, I have a whole story. But that's a whole other thing. He was so rude too. Like I, I have a whole little Coachella thing about him. But we'll say that for a different time because we're on a time crunch. But he was such an. About something. And I'm, I would say that story. But also, does anyone care? No. Even when I'm writing the book, I'm like a Todd Smith story. Will not. Will not make. Will not make the book. Even though he was an. He is rude. Nobody cares. At the end of the day, it happened to her and I. I'm with her on this. It's like, don't yell at me. What do you mean?

[Oscar]

Like, and she was. I don't even want to use the word upset, but she was perturbed because when Todd did come on Jeff fm, his angle was that he was completely sober and Tana was drunk and she came up to them and was trying to like butt in to take a photo with Todd and Zayn, which again, that also doesn't really sound like something Tana would do.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. With the two most. The least interesting people of the vlog squad. You know what I mean? Like, no, she's gonna button a photo with David. And who was he with at the time? I don't know who was in that group back then? Scotty. Nobody cares about him either. I don't know who's big in that group. I guess Zane. Okay, maybe she did. Maybe she did. I picked her with Zane and Todd. Okay, let me photobomb that.

[Oscar]

But weird. Like, I don't like, she was so pro Jeff at the time that like, I can't really. Yeah. And they were still like David associates at that. Zane and Jeff. Zane and Todd were David associates at the time. So it's still like, it's hard to imagine how that went down. I so need like a witness. If you were at that premiere of that one Paramount, me reaching out to the Paramount employees.

[Trisha Paytas]

I believe Tana because I think Tana, like, she is. She. She gets details. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like she's not someone who just makes up. I don't ever think there's a time where she just like lied about anything. Right. Like if you think about the Mindy situation, anything like all the stories always like. And I believe her on this one. I think Todd I've known to be lie about things, so I known him to lie about things. I know Tana not to lie about things, so I'm gonna believe Tana on this one.

[Oscar]

Tana obviously is an embellisher in her story times, but I think when it comes different. Yes. And when, especially when it's like things about like her. Like, this is kind of more serious. It's not like, you know, light hearted.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

I mean with the two, like, this is more of like where she was like trying to be entertaining. Like, this wasn't. This story is not like her trying to be an entertainer. It's her like actual experience. So when it comes to that stuff that like is a real thing. Like, she's pretty you know, straightforward.

[Trisha Paytas]

And did she not. She didn't name him when she first told the story, did she?

[Oscar]

No, she did. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right away from the beginning.

[Oscar]

I. I think so, because I knew it was Tati for years, and I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Thought she said, oh, somebody from that group yelled at me. I thought it was that, but maybe not, because. Anyways, either way, like I said, it was never a story time. It was never sensationalized. It was never whatever.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And so Jeff surprised her with a FaceTime from Todd. I think Todd was even kind of surprised, too. I don't know if he really knew what was happening.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sounds like Jeff. He definitely messy boobs.

[Oscar]

Like, and Tana was kind of sweet about it. She was like, well, I know that, you know, this is a good friendship for you to have. I like that it was healing or whatever. And then there goes Jeffrey Wood. I've been like, that's so gay. I'm like, oh, my God, yes. I mean, Jeffrey, let's get it together here.

[Trisha Paytas]

I really think. Oh, my God, that's sad. I feel like something. Okay, I'm not gonna speculate. That's so sad. Like, what do you mean?

[Oscar]

Friendship with just another straight guy who's gay?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I hate. I hate.

[Oscar]

I know. Jeffrey. That's. We got to get it together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, that's. Ick. It's.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I was like, oh, that's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

But yeah, he did surprise Tiana with, like, the Todd FaceTime, and it was pretty awkward because they each firmly believe their stories. Like, neither of them are willing to, like, concede.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it was also drunk a lot back then. So I do have to believe that. Like, I don't know him now. I don't know his story. Like, yeah, kudos for him. Yeah, he was. He was a drinker all the time, and he was. He was rude. I will say, of all the people in the vlog squad, he was the only one who was ever, like, nasty rude to my face. Like, mean. And he'd only. Now that I'm thinking about it, pattern with women. Because why? It was only females. And I remember he gave girls his face. Like, he'd, like. So now that I think about it, because none of the other ones were, like, rude, even if I was rude to them. Jeff. Okay, he walked away. Like, I give him credit. He walked away when he saw me. But, yeah, Todd was like, to, like, my face. Not, like, yelling at my face, but he was like, like, especially in the group chats. Oh, it was always Todd. Like, he always had something to say. All the other guys kind of just like, interesting. Left me alone. So. No, I'm kind of more on. Yeah, always on Tanner side, no matter what. But now thinking about evidence, it's like he didn't. I have caught him in lies. He was mean to me, he was nasty to me. And. Yeah, and he changes his tune now he's changes his tune about David, which rightfully so. But it's like you're a flip flopper. You're flip flopping too much, you know? So it's just like, I think he has to stand hand 10 toes down, as the kids say, because, like, he's made such a big deal about this story. But like you said, no one was really there. We don't. Unless someone, like you said, has multiple angles.

[Oscar]

Yeah, there had to have been somewhat because it's a, you know, a premiere or whatever. There had have been some employees on boots on the Ground, so we need to interview them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

If you're a witness to this, we will interview you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just don't know. My credibility lies in Todd.

[Oscar]

But, yeah, the whole I know that concept of tana mojo being like, I need a photo with Todd Smith at this premiere is crazy. There's MARGOT Robbie, like, 10ft away. I forget what movie she said it was. I know it was the Margot Robbie one. Let me see. Because when I first heard about it, I was like, oh, that's like a random Babylon. That's what it was, I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, how fun. Yeah. At a premiere. I thought it was like an event for David or something like that.

[Oscar]

No, it was a Paramount. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that's gonna happen. There's no way. She was like, I need a photo with them. Also a weird thing. So he said she wanted a photo. And he, like, yelled. He pushed. He like.

[Oscar]

Yes. He, like, pushed her out of the well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Didn't push. He said he. He's. He put his hand up and he's like, didn't touch her. And I was like, that's weird. So you just said, go, but didn't know.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

If he did that happen, it sounds like, oh, it's weird. Why would you push her out of the way? Like the whole thing is odd. Or put your hand up. I don't know the whole thing. He's like, no, I didn't push her. I didn't touch her, but my hand was up.

[Oscar]

Yeah, the whole thing is so, so odd. And I. I feel like Jeff's intentions were, yes, to be messy, but also I feel like he does want to, like, be guilt free. About his friendship with Todd now. Oh, you know what I mean? Because Tana did say that too. It's like, it is like one of those things where like, you go so hard for someone and then you're like, yeah, f this person, blah, blah. And then that person goes and becomes friends.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I would side eye jazz, like, what do you mean? I would. Was like, so with you team.

[Oscar]

And then Jeff was also like, well, at least I defended you when Todd was there. Whatever. And I was like, no, you didn't, Jeffrey. Because when Todd was like, oh, yeah, she was drunk and she came out to me. You were. Jeff was like, oh, Tana. He said, yeah. I was like, Jeffrey is rewriting.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, he had no defense. Yeah, I don't like it. It's all messy. If you want to be, you're his friend, fine. Leave Tana out of it. You know, if you have to, like, make it right, make it right. Right. Like privately and be like, okay, I'm friends with him. Don't be mad at me. Tana won't be mad. She's like the last person to hold a grudge.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, she forgives friends all the time if they like, slept with her boyfriend or whatever. You know, slept with guys she likes. So. I don't buy it. I think Jeff was trying to be messy. Tana's just too sweet.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Todd is just. I don't. I don't really know what he's.

[Oscar]

Jeff is great. And then the rest of the. He was pulling up every like TMZ article about Tana and like putting it on the screen and having her like, talk. I'm like, jesus Christ. Yeah, messy boots. I know Messier that like, if he was a woman, people would be like, oh, this messy drama channel. Like, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Women are gay. Honestly, if he was gay, he was gay. People like, wow, he's prying into females lives like this. You know what I mean? But it's like he gets away with it. Why? Because he's good looking and had like an injury. At some point we have to keep him a little accountable, you know, I think we let him pass a little too, too much. I love Jeff. So I say this out of love. Like, let's get it together.

[Oscar]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Let's learn about things.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

In 2025, at least Todd's on the. On the right side of history now. I guess. I guess that's one thing. As far as the Jeff and David thing, the Tana thing, I guess he.

[Oscar]

Loves Hannah, would like to be her friend, go Hiking run. You and play the piano with her. But we'll see.

[Trisha Paytas]

He would love. I'm sure he would love that. He's trying anything now. Now that David's not his friend.

[Oscar]

Hannah, you looked beautiful. He was really. He was laying it on thick. I did like Scotty Sire more than Toddy, for the record. So I. I do feel right about that. Like, I was. Although I did like Toddy, so I can't brag too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you? No, never. I never did. Never.

[Oscar]

I interviewed. I interviewed him many times.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're the only one. The only one. No. Hate to Toddy Smith. Glad you're doing better.

[Oscar]

He had a poetry book.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think I got his poetry book. Yeah, he played the drum. That Scotty's toy. I know everything. I. Yeah, I was Stan.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right, you got one here. Love that. That is crazy. You were his fan. Like, literally don't know one. But what was the shirt they wore? Like, mocha's. Like, mocha drink or something. And I was like, why are we advertising? It was like his clothing brand and he was trying to make it a thing. And I was like, I don't think you'd make mocha. Anyways, I'm being mean because he was mean to me and I haven't quite let it go. But I'm sure, sure it's fine. I'm sure he's moved on. I'm sure he's matured and always Team Tana. But Shout out for being friends with Jeff. Jeff, we need to talk to you.

[Oscar]

About a lot of things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Homophobia and all this stuff. Yeah. But we'll give you a pass for now. But we need to teach. All right, you guys. Well, it is. It was a holiday weekend, so we have to cut this a little short today. But we love you so much. If you want to see more, go to our Patreon page. Patreon.com just. Trish, thank you for being here. We love you and we'll see you on Thursday. Bye.