Will January 6th, the day right-wing extremists broke into the U.S. Capitol, killed a police officer, and desecrated the symbol of Democracy become a rallying cry for violence against the federal government?

April 19th, 1993, marking the fiery deadly end to the 51-day Branch Davidian siege in Waco became a rallying cry for militia movements.

Two years later on April 19th, Timothy McVeigh, a Desert Storm veteran, and his accomplice blew up the Oklahoma City Federal building.

Are we about to see a repeat of violence by extremists?

My cohost, former federal prosecutor Bill Johnston and I personally experienced both of those events.

I covered the Branch Davidian siege in Waco.

Johnston prepared the search warrant for illegal weapons that ATF agents were trying to serve when the cult opened fire, killing 4 agents.

And he later prosecuted some of the surviving Davidians for murder.

Two years later, both of us immediately suspected that the Oklahoma City bombing was the work of homegrown terrorists retaliating for Waco.

Our guest today knows the minds of right-wing extremists.

In the summer of 1984, Kerry Noble came within seconds of committing what would have been the largest domestic terrorist act in U.S. history at that time.

As one of the founders of the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord (CSA), a white supremacist paramilitary group, he carried a bomb into a gay-affirming church, intending to murder over seventy congregants.

Noble was sentenced to five years in federal prison for the conspiracy.

After his release from prison, Kerry Noble redeemed himself.

Today he is a Christian minister and the author of The Tabernacle of Hate: Seduction into Right-Wing Extremism.

Kerry was extremely helpful to me in covering militias and the Oklahoma City bombing.

And Bill Johnston participated in the prosecution of the CSA after its intense standoff with federal agents at the group’s compound in northern Arkansas in April 1985.

If you want to understand what may be in store for the nation in the days leading up to the Presidential Inauguration on January 20, 2021, and what may happen later, this episode called the Politics of Hate is a must-listen podcast.

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