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Crystal (Interviewer)
Calling all my sweeties to the forefront. I'm your host, Chris Renee Hazel, and this is the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show. Sweetie's my next guest. I've known for a very long time. She's an actress, a wife, a mom, and she's literally living the example that Godwins happen if we can take the time to see them. Sweeties, give a very warm welcome to my dear friend, Edwina Finley. Edwina, hello, Crystal.
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Edwina Finley
Oh, my gosh. Reunited and it feels so good.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
It really does. It feels amazing. How are you feeling today?
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Edwina Finley
I am blessed. Less than highly favored girl. I feel good. How are you?
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Crystal (Interviewer)
You should. I feel amazing. I'm happy to have you here, excited about your book and all the things you have going on, but I want to take it back.
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Edwina Finley
Okay.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Back into time. 2014 was when if Loving youg Is Wrong came out. I was a costumer, you guys. I used to actually put on Edwina's shoes in 2014. Then 2015, I became the costume designer, and that's when I learned that jewel tones was your jam and still is to this day. When you came in, I said, jewel tones is still it. You like, you remember?
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Edwina Finley
I can't believe you remember that.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Absolutely. I think as a costume designer, we learned so much about the character, the person, really, even more than the character. We learned what you like, what you don't like, your body, and like what you feel comfortable in. And I always remembered you love jewel tones. So it's like something that just was cemented into my head. Dual tones for Edwina. Yes. But, I mean, I know that's when I met you, but I know there was so much more before we got to that point. So tell us everything. Yeah.
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Edwina Finley
So I was born and raised in Washington, dc. I kind of grew up as an arts kid, so my first memory of performing was around five years old. I was doing musicals and plays, and I grew up in the church, so a lot of my arts background was in church choir, praise, team drama, ministry, all of that. And then when I became finally kind of school age, my mom let me go to a high school for performing arts. Shout out Duke Ellington School of the Arts, Washington, DC. And then when I was 16 years old, I was at that crossroads of, okay, what am I gonna do with my life?
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Right?
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Edwina Finley
And there were some people in my family that said, well, you should be a doctor, you should be a lawyer, get a safe job. But then there were others that said, hey, you've been doing the arts, maybe you should continue on that path. And so I really had to pray. And I just remember at 16 years old, hearing God speak and tell me, I'm calling you into arts and entertainment. And that was the turning point. I ended up being accepted into NYU's Tisch School of the Arts, which obviously is a very prestigious drama program. Studied drama there. And then it was, okay, God, I'm about to come out of college, like now. What? What happened?
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Real world fizzing, right?
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Edwina Finley
And so I was able to fortunately get an agen right before graduating.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Wow.
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Edwina Finley
I interned at the Public Theater. That was Shakespeare in the Park. Joseph Pat, Public Theater in New York. And that was under folks that were doing those plays was Sanaa Lathan, Joe Morton, Jeffrey Wright. And so I was interning with them, right. And helping them run lines and making sure that they had what they needed. And it was Shakespeare. So I would, you know, help them with their lines. And then I would memorize all these grand soliloquies, you know, and kind of pretend when everyone went home, I would take the and like, pretend I was playing the role.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Wow.
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Edwina Finley
Yeah. And then. But shortly after coming out of college, I was doing a lot of theater and Shakespeare, and then I got cast on the Wire. So it was very funny because the Wire, any of you who used to watch the Wire on hbo, you know, it is a gritty show, Right. And so my character, Tasha, I was playing kind of a sidekick to Omar Bless. Michael K. Williams.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Edwina Finley
And so we would like, kill bark snails by day, and then at night I would run to the Shakespeare theater, perform in Welsh, don these big beautiful velvet robes, you know, sing classical music. And then in the morning it was like, shoot em up. Bang, bang. And so that in some ways is kind of how my career has been, like, moving in and out of very different types of characters and very different types of roles. But that's one of the things I've really enjoyed about being an actress.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes, I can imagine. Now, what was it like working with Michael K. Williams? I got to meet him, I think it was like Tyler's 45th birthday. He was at the house. And this was before he passed. And he was the kindest soul. His energy was just like, it was crazy. He was so nice, though. What was it like actually getting to work with him? What an honor.
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Edwina Finley
You know, it was one of my very first TV shows. And so, you know, by that point, they had been on for a season, and it had already kind of developed a lot of buzz. Right. And so here I am coming in as a young actress. He was so welcoming, so loving, so generous, you know, and he just became like a big brother to me. And there was a point where God put it in my spirit to start writing these inspirational columns. And he is one of the people that kept emailing me. He was like, keep these coming. Keep these coming. Keep these coming. These are blessing me. Keep these coming. And it was, you know, scriptures and verses, and I didn't know, like, all I knew was God told me to do this. I didn't know how I was going to be received. I also didn't know until he passed some of the things that he was going through at that time. I didn't know we were working together, but I didn't know a lot of the personal things that were happening. And so that meant a lot to have that encouragement from him. So now, all these years later, it's almost like a part of my purpose too. Like, I remember Michael in just such a beautiful way. And I think about how in our industry, a lot of people are experiencing things that we may not know from the outside. Absolutely right. And so it's important for us to lean into our calling and the things that God calls us to do because we have no idea how we're blessing each other.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes. That is so true. And I'm glad that you. You didn't know the why, but you kept putting it. And he was like, he's sending these. I need it. So, you know, if it. Even if you're reaching one person, you're doing what God told you to do, the assignment was understood. That is so good. Do you still write those?
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Edwina Finley
So honestly, a lot of that has been poured into this book. The world is waiting for your.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
So you were. You were practicing then, and you probably.
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Edwina Finley
Didn'T realize it, didn't even know it. Right. It was just about obedience. And so I feel like along the way, God has just given me these things to do in obedience, not realizing that, oh, as you follow this path of obedience, here's where it's gonna lead. So, funny enough, when I was on set not too long ago with the residents at Shondaland, I was there, and this executive in production came up to me, and she said, did you used to write a blog like, 15 years ago called Edwina's Words of Wisdom. I was like, yes. How do you know that?
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah.
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Edwina Finley
She said my mother used to publish them every month in her Christian women's magazine.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Are you kidding me?
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Edwina Finley
I am not kidding. Wow. It's like, even now, things that were done 10 years, 15 years out of obedience.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Edwina Finley
And so this. This maybe about last month, they asked if they could put me on the COVID of the magazine. Yeah. I was like, wow. It's just so funny how everything comes full circle.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
It really, truly does. You talk about playing all these different characters. Your range is so dynamic.
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Edwina Finley
Thank you. Yes.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
From the Wire to the Power. And then recently, Shonda Rhimes, the Residence. I don't know if I DM'd you or text you, y'.
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Edwina Finley
All.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
I'm always behind on the shows, right? So I wasn't too behind on this one. But my brother Marquis kept saying, you gotta watch the Residents. So I was like, oh, yes. I said, my girl Edwin is on there. I gotta watch it, y'. All. When I say she stole the show, had me hollering, I said, I did not know she was this funny girl once they stole the show. You are so funny. And then I saw the threads and people comment, and I was like, they are loving her.
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Edwina Finley
Oh, my gosh. That was Miss Sheila, y'. All.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Miss Sheila took the cake.
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Edwina Finley
Thank you. That was such a fun character. I loved her down, and I was so excited that people loved her, too.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes. Oh, my goodness. It was so good. Where did you go? Like, what places did you pull from for the comedy part? Yeah, I'm talking about. And it was like, you weren't even trying. You were just funny. I was like, this girl is a natural.
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Edwina Finley
You know what? And thank you for that. You know, it's kind of this combination. Like, a lot of times, my work tends to be dramatic, right? Yes. You know, that's the type of work I've done a lot. But then I have done some comedies like Get Hard with Kevin Hart and Will Ferrell, Veep, you know. But sometimes when you're a dramatic actor, they don't always know. Like, you have a whole other side. Me being from Washing DC and feeling very passionately about the African American culture of Washington. And in fact, I myself had been creating a show called Chocolate City that was rooted in the African American culture of D.C. and specifically that White House culture, because we don't see that expressed on screen, especially when it comes to White House shows. So that's exactly where I was when I got the script from the residents. And when I read this character, I said, oh, this is my opportunity to really create a multidimensional character who is herself, who is fully herself and who's not, who works in the White House, but is not from that area of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Right. And because I was raised in Washington, I know Southeast.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Come on.
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Edwina Finley
I know from whence others come. So I said, you know what? What I want to do is honor the people that are not always honored on screen. And it became about creating that type of character, you know, but also not making her, like, giving her these levels and layers and colors and the fact that she's just funny, you know what I mean? And I feel like when it comes to black women, when we get together, you know, there's just a certain humor and a vibe that we can share. And so I wanted that to be reflected on screen, too. So I'm glad that that all came through. And just as an actor, I was also doing improv. A lot of elements in the show, they allowed me to improv. And also, you know, I went to UCB and these different improv programs. So I kind of brought it all together.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
I love that. Now tell me about how this audition came apart and what was that whole journey like? I know sometimes it's you get callbacks, and other times it's like, you're the one. What was this process like?
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Edwina Finley
So this was a very interesting process because, as you know, I'm big on manifestation and big on manifesting the God dream over your life. And like I said, with obedience, like, sometimes God will call you to do things or maybe drop something in your spirit. You may not quite understand why, but you just go for it. So one April Fool's Day, I got this vision of. Because my social media manager was like, what should we do for April Fool's Day? What should we post? And somehow we got this idea of posting me on a Shondaland poster. And so she literally photoshopped me. And I thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was so funny, you know, she photoshopped my, like, onto this existing Shondaland poster. And then we announced this big new role that I was doing for. And so, you know, I thought, oh, this is hilarious. Like, you could still see the Getty Images, like, label on the picture.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
That's funny.
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Edwina Finley
But the way people were like, oh, look at God. This is amazing. This is wonderful. God has opened all of these doors for you, you know, And I was afraid to be like, y', all. It's a. It's a joke.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
They move.
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Edwina Finley
Gotcha. Gotcha. But as I started seeing their comments, it started elevating my faith.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah. Wow.
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Edwina Finley
And it was like, could God do something like this? And it helped me to start taking the limits off of my own imagination of what God can do. Well, let me tell you, by that exact day the following year, I was on set at Shondaland filming this new show, the Residence. And of course, that poster ended up coming out, which had my actual face on it. You know, and so there's this chapter in my book called this Time Next Year.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Edwina Finley
And it's really all about, like, declaring and speaking into existence, prophesying your next year. What can God do by this time next year? And so for me, you know, when I got that script for the Residents, it just hit me, like, okay, like, I had received maybe three scripts that same week, and so I was just kind of going through all of them. But that highlighted for me, okay, lean into that. And that's exactly what happened with me. If Loving youg Is Wrong.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Right.
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Edwina Finley
I'd received all these prophecies about Oprah, about Tyler and about Georgia, all three, and about Tyler Perry Studio. So that's four. I'd received prophetic words about all four. Wow. So when if Loving youg Is Wrong offer came on Oprah's network with Tyler filming in Georgia at Tyler Perry Studios, I knew, okay, this is a part of the God dream that has. That was over my life. This is a role that I'm supposed to accept.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes. Now, talk about when you actually went to Oprah. Was it Oprah B Studios, and then you went to Tyler Perry Studios and put your feet on the ground?
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Edwina Finley
Yeah. So in the book, I give this story about how I'd received. You know, I received prophecies first about Oprah, then I received prophecies about Tyler and Tyler Perry Studios. So I felt like I need to make a bold manifestation move in the direction of what God is speaking. So in 2011, which was the very year that OWN opened, I went inside of the lobby, and I literally just wanted to put my foot on it. And I asked one of the people that worked there, do you mind taking a picture of me in front of this sign? And it said, own, Oprah Winfrey Network, I said, will you take a picture of me in front of this sign? She did. I posted it to Facebook that day along with the scripture, Joshua 1:3. Wheresoever the sole of your foot shall tread, God will give unto you. Well, later that same year, I was in Atlanta on the Way to the airport. I was with Kelvin, and I said, wait, wait, wait. Take me to Tyler Perry Studios. He was like, what? We're gonna miss our flight. I said, no, I need you to take me to Tyler Perry Studios. So we drive there. You know, we're at the guard's desk. I was like, hi. I said, do you guys offer tours? Or can I, like, schedule a tour for, like, right? He was like, ma', am, no, this is not open to the public. Here's a postcard, which I recently found that postcard from all those years ago. He was like, here's a postcard. Go on. Now you know about your travels. So I was crestfallen, got back in the car, but as Kelvin was pulling away, I said, no, no, no. Stop, stop, stop. I got out the car, ran to the fence, slipped my foot under, said a prayer, and declared that same scripture, Joshua 1:3, wheresoever the sole of your foot shall tread, God will give unto you. Then I raced back in the car, we drove to the airport, and literally my next time there, here I was being welcomed by Tyler in that exact same place as one of the stars of Fluvign is Wrong. And my next time at the Oprah Winfrey Network, I was sitting on the stage in front of all these press outlets doing, you know, doing this interview. And that was 9. 9. It was 9. 9 2011, when I first went to Oprah's, and it was 9. 9, if loving you is wrong for me, are the exact same day. And then this year on nine, Nine is the exact day that my book was released and who interviewed me but the Oprah Winfrey. So it's amazing. You know, I always tell people God does have a plan for all of our lives that is very specific and even dated. And I. You know, I try to let people know that there's a sense of urgency around the timing of your obedience and the timing of when you step out to do the thing that he's called you to do because the world is waiting for you. We make it about ourselves.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
We were born for such a time as this.
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Edwina Finley
Yeah, we're born for such a time, a literal time as this, you know, and so dates like that. Nine. Nine. You know, and there's many other stories I give in the book, too, examples of that. But I think that God does things like that for a reason, to remind us that he is on a schedule. Right? He's on a schedule.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
He's waiting on us to get on it.
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Edwina Finley
He's waiting on us.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
He's always waiting on you.
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Edwina Finley
Thank you. The world is wa. And I think that if we really lean into that, that we will allow ourselves to. To show up in the world in an even bigger way.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
I love that now our industry is over. Glamorized sometimes, you know, it's a very glamorized industry. But you talked about sometimes we can limit our imagination. But in those moments, that's when you activated your faith or took the limits off. What were some times throughout your career where your imagination really wasn't kicking in and you were feeling like, come on, Lord, I need you to make something move, make something shake. Because I know those moments happen. But we see the wire, we see the if loving you is wrong, we see the residence and the power. But what are those in between moments like, and how do you navigate those?
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Edwina Finley
Well, actually, one of those was connected to when if loving you is wrong ended. Right. And so when if loving you is wrong ended up, I knew it was ending. So of course, now it's, I need another job, right? I need my next show. What's my next show gonna be? And so I just started praying about it, like, just putting it out there. Okay, God, you got me, right? Like, what's the new show gonna be? And so from January, when we had pilot season, it just became all about, get the new show. Get the new show. Now, the caveat is that I was also pregnant during that time. So I felt a timetable ticking as well. Because May was when the baby was due. So I was pregnant. Me and my husband were gonna name the bab Brooklyn because we met in Brooklyn. We got married in Brooklyn. So we're like, yeah, let's name the baby Brooklyn. Well, maybe, I don't know. A couple weeks later, my husband was praying and he said. He said, God is saying, name the baby London. And I said, why? Why would we name our baby London? Everything, like our whole love story is Brooklyn. And he said, God said, brooklyn is our past. London is our future. She's going to bring great joy to our family. Name her London Joy. Wow. So by faith, we named the baby London Joy. Now, for me, internally with the job thing, I'm still like, okay, it's January, February, March, April, May. You know, I wanted a show in la. Cause I'm about to have a baby. I wanted it all right there, and it didn't happen. And I was like, God. And so I started wondering, should I, like, should I continue pursuing acting? Is it over? Are you telling me that I should do something else now? And literally by August, I received a call About a show called the Power that literally was filming in London. And they moved my entire family to London to begin filming an entire new show.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Your husband's a man of God too. Cause he spoke to him and told.
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Edwina Finley
Him and told him. And these little girls grew up with British accents and their names were all over London. London and Victoria. London and Victoria everywhere. The street that we walked down to take them to Nursery was Kelvinden Road. My husband's name is Kelvin.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Kelvin.
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Edwina Finley
That's crazy. And then we go to another part of London and it's Edwina Circle, Edwina Square, Edwina Close, Sedwina everywhere. So God was letting us know, oh, I had this set up for you the whole time. It wasn't according to my timetable. And I thought that because my timetable wasn't working out that that meant, oh, I need to shift course. But no, the late is not denied. And so I talk a lot about that in the book too. About that waiting season and how we just have to continue to keep our faith and move in obedience. In obed. We named her that.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Wow.
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Edwina Finley
And then God brought the manifestation of it.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
He really did. I feel like your whole life is just a trail of obedience, you know, and, and if people could really just learn to hear the voice of God and trust it and obey it. And when you get those prompts to like, why do I keep feeling like I should do this? Because that's God telling you to do it, do it, you know, and move swiftly. Because we are on his timetable and a lot of times things aren't moving the way we want it to because we're not in the will. That is so. Oh my God. So profound. Wow. I am just like speechless right now. That is beautiful.
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Edwina Finley
Thank you.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
My goodness.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
So you are a wife, you're a mother of two beautiful daughters. You are a powerhouse. How do you even manage it all? You know, now that you. Your career, you got a book, now you're traveling the world. The world, y'. All. She didn't just do a stateside tour. Okay, you went to Dubai. You were just in Africa. You were in Cape Town. And then where else did you go?
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Edwina Finley
London. Yeah, I was just in.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
You had to go to London?
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Edwina Finley
New York. I haven't been to London yet. That's coming.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Okay, come to London. Okay. You gotta go to London. Yes. In New York. And you're bouncing everywhere. How are you balancing marriage and the children and everything?
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Edwina Finley
You know, one of the things that I realized as far as calling and even vision, right? And so in the book and the World Is Waiting for your, I talk a lot about vision and a lot about calling and how, you know, our purpose stays the same, but the method shift, right? And the things that we're called to shift as well. And so there's maybe when, you know and, you know, as a performer, where the performing part is like the main, main part, right? And then there's seasons where God is calling us to expand our territory, and that includes family. And to be honest, at first, like, I received prophetic words that I was going to have a baby, you know, and that I was going to be married. Like, all these things, I was very focused on career. But as the Lord began to open up these. These other parts of my life, just like we say about vision, if he gives you the vision, he'll give you the provision. So it's really been about, okay, having these specific things in place to accommodate that enlarged territory, right? So, like, being able to structure my time in such a way that I'm giving my husband the time that he needs, that I'm giving my children the time that they need, while also being called to write a book and also being called to travel the world and these different things. And so there's some practical aspects of the book if Loving youg is Wrong as well. I mean, if Loving youg is Wrong, there are some practical aspects of the book. The world is waiting for you as well, where I, like, take people through a time map and help them to identify what are the top either goals or roles that you have in life. And how can you begin to structure your time every day to match the things that you've been called to in the different areas of your life and your abundant life?
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah, that is so good. Because a lot of times, especially people who have dreams like we did, a lot of times the resources that they really have in reality don't match the dream, you know, so they need those practical tips to help them get there or even like to be prepared. Because you talk about, make sure that you are ready for what you're praying for, because a lot of times, like, God, I'm ready for this. And he's like, no, you are not. And you wonder why he's, like, delaying it. What you think is a delay because you're not ready, Right? So he has to get that toolbox full so that when it's time for him to be like, all right, go on. Then you have everything you need.
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Edwina Finley
It's so true. And I think also, we as women also, like, you know, we want to have it all. Right? We want to have it all. We want to be successful in our careers. We want husbands, we want children. We want all these things. But what I've noticed is that there are adjustments that we have to be prepared to make in our lives in order to accommodate these new things. Okay. If you want to be. If you want to be a wife.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Right.
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Edwina Finley
Like, okay, then you have to start preparing in that way. And there's. And a lot of that is service. A lot of that is rooted in service. And so I think that, like you said, as far as the industry and how glamorized it is, if you adopt an idea that everything's supposed to be about you, then you may not be prepared to be a wife or a mother.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Hello. Because I've heard you become last when everything comes before you.
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Edwina Finley
Even Jesus said the greatest is the.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Least is the least.
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Edwina Finley
Yes, Right. The greatest is the least. And that really is true when it comes to being a wife and a mother. So you're negotiating these different roles. Like, in the public, you may be an author, you may be a podcast host, you may be an actor. All these things. But then. And honestly, I learned a lot of that from Viola, from Viola Davis. I learned a lot living with her.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah, let's talk about that. Your life. I'm just, like, this woman, like, God has really had his head, and, like, he's over here like, boop, boop, boop. You live with Viola Davis, and she's, like, still someone very near and dear to your heart and prominent in your life. Let's talk about that. Because that is. I'm just like, edwina's life is crazy.
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Edwina Finley
Well, when I told you that God told me to start writing this inspirational column, at Greena's words of wisdom, she also, along with Michael K, would receive them and say, keep going, keep going, keep writing this. This is so inspiring to me. And so not long after I came out of college, she and her husband ended up commissioning me to help write this one person show for them. And so that's really how our relationship started. And then when I was cast in a show in, they said, oh, well, you can live with us. And so my introduction to Hollywood was really with them and through them and living with them.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
What an introduction.
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Edwina Finley
Yeah. You know, and she would take me with her everywhere, to late night talk shows, to interviews, you know, and to magazine shoots on set. And I just got a chance to soak it all up to learn, to experience. And so that level of mentorship and love in those very intimate ways was so key. And through her, I saw how public life and private life, like, I saw the difference. I saw, you know, being a star, but also being a servant. Yes, right. And she modeled that in such a beautiful way. And so these are some of the lessons that I've also poured into the book and that I've also just cherished in my own life that I received from Viola.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah, man, that is amazing. Shout out Ms. Viola Davis, man. She is an icon. Great in our industry and even in our culture, something we look up to. So that's amazing that you had that firsthand mentorship from her. What does mentorship mean to you and how are you giving back? So I know you and your husband, you founded. Co founded Abundant Life, you or you're paying it forward. Let's talk about that.
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Edwina Finley
Yeah, I mean, I've been doing Abundant Life university for over 15 years. You know, before ever getting into the industry, you know, like, it was always important to me to be pouring into other people's lives. And that's another thing. No matter where you start, you don't have to have, you know, some big podcast or some big TV show or anything like that to affect the people around you. The world is waiting for you. That's your neighbors, that's your schoolmates, you know, that's the people at church. That can be anyone in your neighborhood community. You know, you don't have to have some big platform in order to do that. And so when I started, I started very small. I was feeding the homeless, you know, doing all these Things. And meanwhile, during that time, my income was right near the poverty line. Like, I did not have much, but I did have a calling. And so I knew that whatever it is I have, that's what I'm being called to give. And so as the platform has grown, that just means that more and more people can come in. Right, right. And so with abundant life, you and now this program, the God Dreamers Academy, we are just inviting so many people from around the world to participate, to go through the book, and then also to join us in manifesting God dream that's over their lives. My husband Kelvin and I just really believe that God has a purpose and a dream over everyone. And if people need that help, that, that guidance to help pull it out of them and bring it to pass, you know, that's, that's what we do.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
That is beautiful.
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Edwina Finley
So, yeah. So anyone, you can go to the worldis waiting.org and find a lot more about the God Dreamers Academy.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah, that's amazing. Yes, please tap in. You guys. You have said that your faith has been the anchor in this industry for you. Can you share a moment where leaning on God really changed your trajectory in your career?
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Edwina Finley
Yeah. You know, early on I received this offer for this huge contract and it was so much money. And I told you, I was like, I was living in low income housing, I did not have a lot of money. And suddenly this contract came with all this money attached to it and it was in Hollywood and it was just, you know, I was like, wow, this is my big break. Like, oh my God, this is it. But it came with a nudity clause.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Don't they always? All the big ones come with. It's a caveat.
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Edwina Finley
I was like, why? Why? What do I do right? And that was a place of conviction for me and I felt like I want what they're offering. I want the opportunity. I love the role. But if that means that I have to perform nude in order to get it, then that might mean I have to wait a little bit longer. And so I didn't sign it. And I went back to hearing the sirens outside my window and the rats running across the street and people stopping drug fights and all these things. But I just believed. I was like, God, I honored you and I just believe that you're going to open the door for me. And three years later, I was invited to Hollywood again. This time it was not with this huge contract. It was not first class everything. It was literally to minister, it was to speak to other artists of faith. And I was Flown out there to do that. And the next day, a friend invited me to a place called Runyon Canyon.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
I love Runyon.
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Edwina Finley
Yeah. You know, it's like kind of this big mountain, you know, like this hill right in the middle of Hollywood. So we're hiking, hiking, hiking. We get to the town, and, you know, up there, you feel like you're just like. You can see everything. And I literally felt like I was overlooking the promised land. Wow. It just swept over me. And there was this sign in the distance that called my attention, and I couldn't make out all the words. I was trying to piece it together. And finally my friend was like, come on, let's go, let's go. And so two days later, my last night in la, I'm walking with another friend, and my camera suddenly takes a picture by itself and flashes. So I'm looking at her the same way you're looking at me. We're looking at each other and then looking at the camera. Like, how did that happen? So I pick up the camera to turn it over to see what it took a picture of. It was the sign that I saw. I got a Runyon Tan Canyon.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Wow.
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Edwina Finley
Two days prior. Now up close and perfectly framed inside of my camera, and it said, from Harlem to Hollywood, you're a star. Congratulations.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
What?
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Edwina Finley
Literally, very.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
If you just, like, break down crying, like, I would be, like, collapsed.
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Edwina Finley
I collapsed. And then when I got back to New York the next day, you know, I'm sitting with all of this. And then I remembered that my uncle, Uncle Howard, he was a pastor in Maryland who passed just a few days before my trip. I remembered that before he passed, he had prophesied to me, but I couldn't remember what he said. Wow. So I started looking everywhere. I remember that I recorded it. I video recorded it. So I was looking for the video. I finally found it. I pushed play. And here is my now disappointed, deceased uncle looking into the camera, prophesying to me that God is about to take me to Hollywood. And the instructions that the Lord wants me to know. Scriptures, instructions, everything. Soon thereafter, I was cast in a show in Hollywood, Living with Viola on red carpets, my entire life changed. Wow. And while we were on the red carpet for Get Hard with Kevin Hart, Will Ferrell, we're on Hollywood Boulevard in front of the Chinese Theater. I'm doing all this press, you know, and then look up, and I see that I'm standing in the exact same spot where I was when that camera took the picture by itself.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Oh, Lord. God is just winking all over your life, just winking. He's like, gotcha.
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Edwina Finley
I looked up while I was on the red carpet and literally almost collapsed right there. And so the first chapter of the book is From Harlem to Hollywood. And it's all about that prophetic journey and the fact that God already. His vision for us is already ahead of where we are.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Right.
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Edwina Finley
Just take the steps in obedience, because he already has it planned out.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
He does.
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Edwina Finley
But that's just an example. You know, sometimes we're being called to say no to things.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Edwina Finley
And we don't know how it's going to turn out. We think, oh, we have to say yes. I have to say yes, because if I say no, then what's going to happen to me? But when we honor God, he also honors us.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
It does. And it's always way more worth it than if you had to say yes to that thing, you know, you supposed to say no to. I'm a living testimony. I know something about that. Yeah. You know, and it's always that when you. And then you look back and like, I knew I shouldn't have done that. You know, and there was always that still small voice that was trying to guide you in the right direction. So you had to listen to that. This is. God has his hand on your life. Do you hear me, my good Edwin? I'm glad we sitting down, because I did not. Yeah, like, we here, honey.
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Edwina Finley
I need the time. I'm glad we were able to do this.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Me, too. This is so good. Lord have mercy. Okay. Because even, like, when it comes to nudity, I'm the same way. Like, that's something I won't do because I haven't had children yet. But I'm like, if I do, that's just something I don't ever want to have, have to explain or just have out there, because now they can do anything with your body. And it's just like, there's certain things I just want to keep sacred, you know, there's certain things I'm not going to show. I was like, if there's a way we can do it where I will not show these things, then we can work around it. But I'm not. These are my hard lines in the sand that I'm not going to cross.
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Edwina Finley
And I think that's so important to share, too. Sometimes we can be afraid to have clear lines. Yes. Right. And so as a young actor, I mean, literally, my agents were like, well, if you're not willing to appear nude, then you'll never work in this town. Received that Kind of messaging and felt, you know, it was like God's voice, and their voice was just always in conflict. So I just want to encourage anybody that's watching if there are certain things that, you know that you don't feel comfortable with, whether it's in your industry or whether it's in your life. Lean into that spirit that's. That's telling you, that's gently guiding you. No. No. It's okay to say no while also believing that there's a yes that's gonna come straight from God and that's already prepared for you. That's gonna be even bigger and better than the no.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes. Oh, that's so good. I just got a script. I'm doing a movie in Houston in, like, two weeks. Thank you. And I remember he was telling me about it, and I was like, oh, yeah, this sounds great. Got the script, great. And then, oh, I just got this idea. Have you seen. I cannot remember the name of the movie.
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Edwina Finley
And I was.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
I was like, okay, so I've seen you. He's like, the two couples, he's like. They were sitting in chairs. They were in the nude. And this idea just came to him, and that's how I was looking as I'm on the phone. Like, say what now? And I was like. I was like, I don't do that. I don't do nudity. And he was like, no, it's gonna be. Then it went to even further, like, well, you know, it won't even be your breast. Like, we can.
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Edwina Finley
Like, yeah, that's exactly how it works.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
They'll tell you. Like, it'll be AI. Like, it won't even be. It won't even be you. And I was like, no, not doing that. And the script came. The final script came out. The contract comes, and I see nudity in the contract. And I'm like, my writer says, no nudity. Like, I only have certain things that I'll show that I'm okay with. And so he's like, yeah, I want to call you and go over the script. I said, yeah. So it was so funny. He calls and we're going over the script. He said, yeah, I need this one thing. And I was like, yeah, scene six. Let's go on and get to that.
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Edwina Finley
That's turning. Scene six.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Let's go over here. I said, it says in the nude. And I was like, so this is what I will do and what I won't do. And he's like, I can work with that, but you have to stand your ground. You know, because if not, you'll be doing things that you'll look back and regret. Yeah. And I don't want to look back and regret anymore.
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Edwina Finley
Can I just insert this story? Because this is really important. I had a very dear friend in the industry who got a huge break, like when we came out of college. I mean, he got a huge break and said yes to it. But there were a lot of things. There were a lot of things in it that really compromised his values and morals. But he said yes to it and became a big star. Big star was on the COVID of buses and on the COVID of magazines and on the COVID of billboards and all these things. Became a big star, earned lots of money, but then he became an alcoholic because it was very difficult for him on the inside to grapple with what he was doing every day. It was like the stardom and the fanfare and the money was not enough. Yes. To fill him up compared to how he was giving his soul every day. And unfortunately, he's no longer with us. And so I just want to say that as a cautionary tale, we can think that the money that. That the fame, that the followers are all just like, oh, that's what life is about. And then you get there and it's not enough. But if you know that you are rooted and grounded and you are in the place where God has called you to be, there's a sense of peace that's there. The prosperity is coming. But you don't have to compromise your peace for prosperity. You can have both.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
You can really have both. Edwina. I don't know what's left to say. That was good. I've been blessed. It's funny you say that, because I just had Ty trippin on, and he was talking about when he got his first two Grammys, and he said. He got back to the room, he said, took him out the box, and it was just like. It was a reminder of everything he sacrificed. His family, children, time. And it was like, was it worth it? And it didn't feel him the way he thought it would. And that changed his mindset and perspective on how he looked at it. I said, yeah. And I said, you wanted the next time because you weren't coveting it. He got it again. He wasn't even.
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Edwina Finley
I ain't. Hey, Pastor Chris. Because he wasn't what? He wasn't coveting. He wasn't coveted. You see that biblical language? He wasn't coveting it. And therefore the Lord gave him even more.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Even more. Yeah, but it's a real thing. Like, we think, like the followers, like you said, the money, all these things are gonna make us happy. And, yes, you have a sense of peace when you don't have to worry about how you gonna get your next meal. You know, it does bring that, but it does not fill your soul, especially when you're selling it. Honey, you just. You preach for me, y' all go on and get the book. The world is waiting. Cause it is waiting for you. All right. This is so good. Is there anything else you wanna share with us? We would love to follow you where we can find. Where can we buy the book, all the things we wanna support you.
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Edwina Finley
Thank you. Thank you so. I know, right? So full. We're so full. But I knew we were gonna be this full. And I do wanna say to you, Crystal, because I feel like you embody a lot of the things that I'm talking about and that we're talking about in this conversation. You. From the moment I met you, I feel like you've had such a servant's heart. You've had such a servant's heart. You've had such a humble heart, and it's been beautiful to see how God has exalted you.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Thank you.
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Edwina Finley
You know, and the fact that, you know, it's not lost on me that you started this interview saying, I used to put on her shoes on if loving you is wrong. Right. And now you're an actress yourself, and now you have this great platform and great career, you know, But. But that just goes to show those when we humble ourselves, we will be exalted. A lot of times we think we have to exalt ourselves. We have to exalt ourselves. We gotta tell everybody about ourselves. We gotta make sure we put ourselves out there, you know, but, like, you started your career serving.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yeah. And I loved it and loved it.
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Edwina Finley
Because you have a gift of service. And now, even through the podcast and all the other wonderful things that are happening, you're still serving, but it's now a greater level. So I just want to express how proud I am of you, who you are, who you've become, but you are the same person.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Thank you so much.
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Edwina Finley
Yes. I mean that.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
And you are, too.
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Edwina Finley
Thank you.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
He's exalting you as well. You are still in. We know. Like.
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Jacob Goldstein
Yes.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Thank you so much.
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Edwina Finley
Yeah. For those of you who want to join the community, the world is waiting for you. You can get the book everywhere books are sold. You can also come on over to the website, theworldiswaiting.org we have the dreamers Academy. You can also connect directly in with me. You can also follow me on Instagram, on Twitter. Well, X on Instagram, on x TikTok. Edwinafindley and on Facebook, Edwina Finley Dickerson. And come on the journey. The world is waiting for you. And I cannot wait to see what God is going to do in your life by this time next year.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Thank you so much, Edwina. I am proud of you. And I'm, I'm just. This is amazing. This conversation has blessed me. I am full. Yeah. Thank you.
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Edwina Finley
I'm.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
I see everybody shaking their head behind the scenes. This is. Yeah, Everybody's like, yes, this has been good. Thank you so much.
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Edwina Finley
You're welcome.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Edwina Finley
Keep it positive, sweetie.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Yes. The world is waiting for you. Get it now. Because I said so. You're like, this is my. All we got to do. That video was like, this is my friend Edwina. She wrote a new book. You better go get it.
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Edwina Finley
Then.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
We like now tell me about your book.
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Edwina Finley
We got to do that.
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Crystal (Interviewer)
Sweeties, thank you so much for joining me for another conversation. Remember, remember, you don't have to have a big platform to affect the people around you. The world is waiting for you. Until next time, keep it positive, sweeties.
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