← Keep it Positive, Sweetie
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Calling all my sweeties to the forefront, I'm your host, Chris Renee Hazlett, and this is the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show. Welcome to another episode of the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show. I'm your host, Krystal Renee Hayslett. And today we are joined by multi hyphenate talent. He is an actor, singer, songwriter, known for his virtual talents in both entertainment and music. Kiss family. Please welcome Jacob Lattimore. Jacob, thank you so much for coming.
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Thank you for having me.
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Finally. How you feeling?
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I love these CB2 seats.
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Go in and get you some. You know, we like a little affordable. Good price points.
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Right.
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Comfortable.
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Gotta keep it cozy.
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Yes, absolutely. Thank you. How you feeling?
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I feel good. I feel good. Just back home. Been filming the Shire for, like, eight months last year, so just enjoying home, you know?
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Yeah.
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Like, not leaving. Not leaving.
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Tell me about it. It's always fascinating. Cause I'm in the Tyler Perry ecosystem, and we shoot 22 episodes in two weeks. Insane. And to hear you shooting for eight months, I'm like, what's that like? I feel like I would get bored, though. I'd be like, can we hurry up?
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It's definitely. It's definitely a process. Like, we. If I'm not on set, I'm just at home studying those lines.
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Yes.
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And then, you know, in the gym or, I don't know, doing something productive in between. But always staying on call, because you just never know.
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Even on your off days, you never know if you bump something up, you gotta be ready.
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This person didn't catch their flight, or this person's sick or we need to come in. So we are ensemble. So it's just like, you gotta be ready.
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I love that show. It's so good. Shout out Lena and Luke. James is one of my really good friends.
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Shout out to Luke.
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I just did a movie two years ago with Burgundy.
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Oh, yeah. Burgundy baby.
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Yeah.
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Her birthday is today.
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Is it? Happy birthday, Burgundy. I know this will be after your birthday, but happy birthday, boo. Yeah.
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Fire.
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Love her, but. Yes. I love that show. But, Jacob, you have been doing this since you were eight years old.
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Yeah.
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And you're 28 now.
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28.
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So most of your life.
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Yep.
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So you. You got a lot of skin in the game. So I've only been doing this for, like, five or six years, so I need to pick your brain.
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Nah. You doing that. You're doing your thing.
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I'm trying, but I'm really proud of you. But how? Starting at a very young age, what has that journey been like to get to where you are now.
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It's definitely been a lot different. Like, when I was eight years old, acting was something I wasn't even thinking about really. You know, acting was like, I believe I got a script handed to me. Like, they were auditioning for like the local, like Lion King play. And they hand me a script, like, yeah, they auditioning for Simba. Lil J, like, Lil J, Lil J, man, you should do this, Lil J. You'll be called Lil J. As I'm walking. He's like, lil, you be cold, Lil Jake. And I was like, nah, nah. I'm on the porch, like, really making decisions on. I'm gonna do this music thing first.
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Wow. At 8 years old, like, yeah.
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I'm like, no, I'm gonna do this music thing first. And then, and then I get into acting. You know, if that door open, whatever. But then I moved a couple years later, moved to Atlanta, still doing the music thing. And then I started finding other peers that weren't overthinking it. They were doing music, they were doing film, they were hosting, they were acting, whatever. And I just opened my mind up a little bit more and just got more comfortable and just was like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. And I found some acting classes and found my first agency out here. Shout out to Joy Purvis.
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That was my first agency.
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First agency out here.
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Yes. Love them.
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And you know, she really believed in me and helped me get some really important projects that were pivotal. And me learning on how to be on set and how to read scenes, and she would read those scenes with me too. Like, it was dope. So that was a real hands on agent.
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And you don't get that a lot, you know.
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And she had like her own self tape room, and I was doing that. So moving to Atlanta was really just an eye opening experience. And that's just like a testament. You gotta be in an environment where you can thrive. You know what I mean? So you gotta be around other people that are doing things that inspire you and make you check yourself, like, oh, I'm overthinking. I could do. I ain't gotta quit doing that.
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Absolutely. Don't box yourself.
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You know what I mean? I could do that. And this.
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That's so true.
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Yeah. Atlanta has always just been home for me ever since then. We moved out here 20 2008.
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Okay. So, yeah, I came a year after y'.
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All. Yeah, 2000, 2008, 2009, something like that.
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Okay. Yep. I came in 2009. I was in D.C. working on Capitol Hill.
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Wow.
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And I was like, I saw all my friends out here thriving. I'm like, if they can do it, I can do it.
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Yeah.
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And like, you, like, I wanted to do music. Like, that was my thing. And if acting, if music opened the door for other things, I was open to it.
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Yeah.
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And then it kind of ended up being the reverse where acting end up opening the door for music.
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Yeah. And it's all tied in now. So now I meet a lot of musicians. Like, bro, I want to be acting.
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Yes.
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You know, and I'm like, man, you know, you gotta. You just gotta get in there, get into acting classes. Like, I really. I really paid my dues too, with the acting. Like, I really got in class. I really did. Improv training.
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Yes.
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Like, I really like, you know, but then also, the on set experience was just alone. Like, was nothing like class either.
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Nothing.
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You know, you do the tongue twisters. Yeah. Red leather. Yeah, leather. Red leather, yellow leather. Like, you get in there and Sunshine City sometimes.
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City.
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Like, you could do all those things and learn these monologues, but nothing like that on set experience, where they changing the lines right in the middle.
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You have to be quick on your plate.
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You know, we want to change this line right here and do this line. And you got Will Smith looking at you like, you can do it. And I'm like.
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You're like, yeah.
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Like, no, why you changing my line? Rehearsing all night. But it's just. It's cool and it's a part of the process and it keeps us uncomfortable, you know, which is good for growth, right?
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Absolutely. I wanted to ask you about working with Will. Will Smith is like everybody's icon, you know, and our North Star, especially music and acting, we just. That's the place that we aim to go. What was it like working with him?
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I was, you know, I ain't gonna lie. I was actually. I was fanned out. I ain't lie.
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I can imagine.
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I ain't gonna lie. I think I actually took a picture with him and then posted it online. And I got an email from production saying, hey, you need to take that down. He's in costume. Oh, yeah.
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That's a thing. Oh, my gosh. I almost lost a job like that.
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Yeah.
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So working with Jamie Foxx, I learned.
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A lot working with him. And just watching him and also just seeing how. What it takes to be that level of a brand and a celebrity. Like, you know, he's just. It was. He was like, we outside filming in New York and he's gotta memorize his lines. But he got, like, screaming fans on the corner, and, you know, no telling what he's dealing with in his personal life and all these things. So it's just. You just seeing it up close, and you're like, whoa, how famous do I want to be? You know?
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Exactly.
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And you're like, man, this is different level. Like, he has to. They got to roll him into the car. I walked to.
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Yeah, ain't nobody about you, like, yeah, like Jaden.
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Jaden Smith. Not Jason Smith.
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I'm Jacob.
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Yes, I'm J. Like, went with it, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But it was like they had to roll him into set in the SUV and, like, let him out right where the camera was, you know, so he just. He had to move different. But he was all smiles, and he has good energy about it. So I definitely learned how to bring good energy to work.
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Love that. That's important.
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He shakes everybody's hand, and I was like, that's what I'm gonna do. You know, When I. When I'm on set of the Shy, I always remind myself, like, I prayed to be here, you know, Even though I'm tired today, I may not feel like it today. Like, I'm gonna come to set and come to the makeup trailer, come into the hair trailer with energy. And this is a good thing we're here. This is a luxury, you know, and.
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We'Re getting the best part of it as the actors, you know, and you have to be. I worked on the other side as well. I was costume designer with Herman. Herman was my supervisor. And understanding how tired they are as well. Like, we're all exhausted, you know? Cause they're taking care of us, and we're trying to deliver the lines and make the director happy. But it's everybody's pull.
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Everybody's pulling.
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So it's. So. I love that you do that, and I love that Will was that example for you.
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Absolutely.
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Because sometimes our icons aren't the nicest, you know? And you like dang.
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Yep. You like dang. I should have just kept it. Kept it. Just kept it distant, right?
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Exactly.
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But they're human. You start to give grace, too, because you realize everybody. Everybody doesn't want to be that light. You know what I mean? That thing. You know what I mean? So it's like, hey, I don't want everybody to glorify me and be this. You know, that they want to just come to set, be treated normal. And I give grace to a lot of actors and actresses I meet, because you just never know what people are going through.
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Absolutely.
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Because we just. We reading these scripts and this is our lives, and we gotta keep this facade. And we have fans who fall in love, like, with the shows that we're on, because we're in their households every week. We feel like they homies. Like, you know, fans walk up to you, like, what's up? Hey, yo, I be watching your show. You know, hey, bruh. You got the bruh. What happened?
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For real, right?
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So they really. It feel like we family to them. And you. You never want to disappoint anybody in their experience. So it's like you're like, dang, like, this is what I asked for.
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It is when you're exhausted. Yeah.
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You get a picture, man.
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Come on.
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Even though, like, I'm busted right now. I'm sleepy coming off the plane, like, whatever. Like, sleep all in the eye. It's cool.
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Yes. It's so funny because there are. I was just talking about this, actually, with Da Vinci, about how we can. We're human.
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Yeah.
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First and foremost. But we can be having the worst day, but we always have to be on, you know, no matter what. Because you want that moment with that fan to be the best moment. Because I know what it's like to meet somebody that I just adore and like, oh, my gosh, I just love everything you do. And they were, like, completely mean. It's like, yeah. Oh, my goodness.
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You have a lot of yourself.
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You do.
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It's tough. It's a tough balance. I'm at the point now if. If I know I'm not in the greatest mood, I just stay home.
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That's smart. Stay home.
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Order in. You know, like, literally, like, just stay home. You know, like, it's me time. I'll go to the gym and go back home, walk the dog. Like, literally stay in the neighborhood. So that's the best thing for me to do when I know I'm like, today, ain't it? Right, Right.
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Exactly.
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It ain't what it is.
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Exactly.
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Not really answering the phone like that. You know what I mean? So it just. I try to refuel myself before I even step outside the door.
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That's good. So speaking of refueling and balancing, how do you balance between all the many hats that you wear?
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I don't know.
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That was like. I'm still trying to figure that.
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Like, this morning, I had two auditions before I came here.
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Wow.
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After this, I'm going to the studio tonight to finish some touches on my album. So it's like, when you just love what you do, you Kind of just. You just make time for it.
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You make time. Yeah.
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And you realize, like, hey, I'm the only one. I'm the only one that has these opportunities, and this is what I pray for. And, like, what else I got to do today?
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You know what I mean?
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I really ain't got nothing else to do today. You know, I would just go home and chill with the dogs, watch movies. So let me record this record tonight. Let me get it done. Then I could go on vacation.
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There you go.
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You know what I mean? So really just dedication. Really just like, no matter how you feeling, just do it.
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Just do it.
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You know, creating that checklist. And sometimes it could feel like you just dragging yourself all day, and then when you finally sit down and look at the work you put in, you're like, whoa, this is years and years of work. Consistency.
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Very consistent. Yeah.
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And that's the. I feel like that's the name of the game with anything that you want to be successful in. You just gotta be consistent.
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And I feel like that's where a lot of people fall short. That makes the difference between making it and not making it. Is that consistency. You don't have to be the best doing what you do, but the ones that are consistent make it.
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Nah. Like, when I'm in the gym for two weeks, three weeks straight, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm getting crazy. And you get. You start. You see. You feel like you got the results. So you go to Zaxby's because you get a little. You got room, and then you lose all that. Two, three weeks over a short week or weekend, partying and kicking it, and then you like, oh, man, I'm back. I'm back, pot belly. I'm back.
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It don't take long.
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You know what I mean?
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It takes two weeks to get it out, but one chicken tender to get it back on you. Like, damn.
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And it's just. That's what it's about. And I just try to surround myself around people who are consistent just at this point, like, you know, friendships or even colleagues or just anything. If they. If people around me aren't consistent in what they're doing or sticking by their word. It's kind of like, man, it's like, we gotta cut you off.
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Listen.
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No, I got to.
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They're not moving in the same direction you.
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Yeah, that.
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You are just like, all the people that are around you. And if you don't be very mindful and intentional about the people you're around, you'll be like, why Am I acting? Oh, because. Yeah, I'm around you a lot because they started to rub off on you, whether you. Whether you're in that headspace or not. Yeah, it's like, it's inevitable.
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And you try. And I think too, like, we. We got big hearts, so we try to. We try to help.
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Yeah.
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We try to give insight. And I think all of that is cool. But I've learned to give some advice. Help where I can watch them if it applied. If they applied it at all. And I leave it at that. I can't. I can't force you to. I can't force your journey on you. You know what I mean? I can only just lead by example and just through my actions, so I can give you what I can on the advice tip, but that's about it. If I'm on set and I'm saying, hey, bro, I think you should lock in more right here and here, here, but you're not accepted of it. And I'm like, I did what I could because, you know, I could be standing next to you and I could get. I could bite the bullets you biting. You know what I mean? Because I'm just trying to save you, and I can't because you're not receptive of what I'm saying, you know? And I think it took me a while to have that voice because I have been in the game since I was a kid. Like, my first film set, I was on when I was like 11.
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Wow.
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This show called One Tree Hill.
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Oh, yeah.
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They did a few seasons and Sophia Bush was the director of that episode. And I actually seen her pre Golden Globes parties. And every time I see her, she's like, wow, like, I seen that spark in your eye at like 8, 9, 11 years old, you know, so it took me a while to kind of have that voice of like, even just being the youngest in the room. If I'm in a room full of maybe up and coming actors who are maybe just getting their start at 21, 22, but I'm like 17, and I don't want to be the, you know.
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The guy to be like, like, hey.
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Bro, you probably shouldn't do that. You know? Hey, like, you probably shouldn't move like that.
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Yeah.
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You know, and it took me a while. I was kind of hesitant. I was always a little shy or scared. Like, oh, man, they may not. They might think I'm be acting funny.
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I think I'm like, I don't know.
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I just. I was overthought it. And now if I have the opportunity to speak, and if I see somebody that got, like, a lot of potential and I'm like, bro, like, you dope. Like, you could be more like, you don't let up, you know? And if I could tell them, I will, but if I feel like they're not receptive of it, I'm just like, I'm out.
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Right. And the right person would be like, oh, thank you for seeing me. And I do want to lock in and do better. You know, most people will take. If they're in there for the right reasons and they have the right mindset, they would be grateful that you gave them that insight.
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Yeah, yeah. And it's still room for me to grow. Like, my agent calls me, like, yeah, dude. Like, hey, like, watch these shows. Like, mimic that stuff. Shout out to Dan. Dan Kim. We've been rocking since I was, like, 14, so. And just been inspired by the two auditions I had today, and they're just totally different and challenged me because I have been playing the shy for so long, so sometimes it's good for me to just get other auditions that even if I don't get the part, it's just a good exercise.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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You know what I mean? For me to tap into different characters and stuff.
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I love that you spoke on being the only one and you opened up about Survivor's remorse on the bets for the fellas. I want to dive more into that because that's something I love talking to my peers about because a lot of we are the ones that made it and we carry so much weight when it comes to that. How are you navigating that now?
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Just saying no, you know, just like saying no where I need to say no, you know, and realizing that I have a track record of giving. I have a history of giving. And you shouldn't feel guilty because you. It's not like you're not a given person. It's not like I ain't got receipt right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I've helped you here. Yeah, I helped you there. You know, you can't say I didn't help you there.
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Yeah.
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And I never. I would never ask for payback.
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No.
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You know, and every time I give them, you know, something like, oh, I'm gonna get you back. I'm like, listen, every time I give, I literally on to the next. I'm not even thinking about it. You have. If you find it somewhere in your heart and you got. And you come up on some means to whatever. Cool. But I promise you, I'm not thinking about it. Please, like, honestly, if you get. If you make up, if you make some bread, just invest in yourself.
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Please, just do right by.
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So, yes, you ain't gotta make that call to me. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like, you are not in debt over here. You know, that's so good. My dad. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's just. It took me a while. It took me a while to like, let go of that. That survivor's remorse and that guilt of just, like, feeling like I have to help everybody, you know? And, yeah, I'm behind on. I'm like, man, man, if I keep.
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Helping you out, I'm gonna be behind, you know?
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And I don't think people realize the more money you make, the bigger your expenses.
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The bigger your expenses, the more Uncle Sam takes. We're not getting a refund check, you.
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Know, and we're paying him even more. And it's like, I have. I have goals. I have real estate goals. I have money I'm investing into. So, you know, on the outside looking in, it can be like, oh, he just. He was born. He was born rich because he been.
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He been doing this forever.
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He'd been doing this since he was 8. Like, if I'm being honest, like, the real. Real income, like, really didn't come to my 20s, you know what I mean? Like, my. Like, as a teenager, I was like, it may have looked like. It may have looked like. But trust me, like, it was. We were still figuring it out. And you as, you know, as black people, we just. We make it look good.
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We know how to.
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We know how to make it look good.
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Hello.
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You know, so. And I'm at the space now. I just don't want to look good. I want to be good.
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I love that.
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And when it's. When you want to be good, you got to say no, you know, I cannot help you this. In this season in my life.
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Sometimes you have to say no to others, to say yes to yourself and yes to your future. Because unlike a lot of people, our jobs are not promised. Yeah, it could be canceled tomorrow. God. You know, but, like, we have to do everything we can now to make sure we're set up for the future. Most people have some type of job security. You know, we don't have that, so we have to save for the rainy day.
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Yeah. When they say, what's next? Like, what's next? Like, I don't know what's next.
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That's what I have to do. It's the pressure of dealing with, I.
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Don'T know, like, thank God we're. I'm on a show that I can kind of like, I know we start in season eight, you know, but I can't just bank on that. They say they could cancel the show. God forbid. Please don't. I'm not throwing that out there, but it's like, you just never know, you know, like we had a big film strike, you know, did that not open your eyes? Like, wow.
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I was like, oh, oh, I gotta.
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I'm thankful for investing in that. I knew how to invest in real estate. I knew how to save some bread here and just stay at home and stop going to the club and spending frivolous money. Yeah. Sections is crazy.
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They are crazy.
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You know what I mean? Bottles is crazy. Yeah. I can get the bottles at the house, I can create the vibe at the crib and I can have my own shindig going. I can stand on my own couch.
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You know what I'm saying? With your people. Right.
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You know what I'm saying? So it's like my whole mentor shifted in that space. And it's literally shown in every aspect of my life, spiritually, financially, physically, mentally. I'm like, uh huh, this. Duh, duh, right.
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I love it. Duh. You also spoke about something that we have in common. I don't know if your relationship status right now, but you talked about loneliness. And sometimes loneliness is not a bad thing. I know for me gaining success, it was hard for me to find the right relationship that understood what all comes with this life. And even now, it's like, you date someone, they're like, oh my goodness, you come with a lot. And it's a lot of amazing things. But they may not be used to the level of the amazing things. They're like, this is a lot. And then you're busy all the time, you're on the go and you have to stay focused.
- [21:25]
B
Yeah.
- [21:26]
A
What, what, what was the moment where you realized, wait, being lonely is not a bad thing or it's not lonely, it's just being in solitude and by yourself.
- [21:33]
B
I just come from a big family. Like, I grew up, I grew up in a house where my dad and my grandfather was in one house, really, you know what I mean? Like all my uncles, all my cousins, so I come from that type of household. When I was to leave school, like the whole family was in the house lit eating dinner, we had big breakfasts, we had. You know what I mean? And as I get Older and people are going through their own things and whatever. So I was just like, oh, man, I can't bring everybody into my world because it just don't work. It don't work like that. It don't fit. And you know, when it don't fit, you know. Cause like doing, doing business with a bunch of family can work. When it works.
- [22:15]
A
Yes.
- [22:16]
B
You know, like the weigh ins. It works.
- [22:18]
A
It works. Yes, it works.
- [22:20]
B
Ball brothers. It works.
- [22:21]
A
Yes, yes.
- [22:22]
B
Smith family. Works, works. It does don't work over here. Listen, it don't work for me. Listen, you know, and my mother is, you know, she got my back the most.
- [22:35]
A
Yes, yes. She manages you, right?
- [22:37]
B
Yep. Real hands on. Like she's pretty much everything, like, you know, assisted making, sure. Schedules laid out, you know, secretary. Oh, everything.
- [22:48]
A
Everything else that works.
- [22:51]
B
That works. Yeah, when you know, when it works, it just. You gotta. You gotta keep it at that. And yeah, so that was. It was some hard decisions to make on. On that side of just like the family business. And it doesn't mean I can't have a relationship with my family. It just mean that, hey, my business is a whole nother arena, you know.
- [23:09]
A
It is.
- [23:10]
B
I come to see you, I'm gonna say I'm gonna check on you. How you doing? I love you.
- [23:14]
A
I love you.
- [23:14]
B
I gotta get to work. Yeah, I love y'. All. I see you.
- [23:17]
A
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
- [23:21]
B
You be good, man. Hey, hey, stay. Hey, get them grades up?
- [23:25]
A
Yes.
- [23:25]
B
No, no, I see. You know, exactly. Can I get it? No, no, no. I gotta go.
- [23:29]
A
All right.
- [23:30]
B
Hey, can you face time? No.
- [23:32]
A
Can you FaceTime?
- [23:33]
B
No.
- [23:33]
A
I be looking crazy. My cousin like, I was so work. She on the night. Shit. She didn't believe you was my cousin. I'm over there looking, I'm like, girl.
- [23:40]
B
Can I pull up on set? No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. All these harassment. We got to take harassment class. You don't know what. You don't know what we learning. You can't just be. No, no, I'm not bringing you.
- [23:54]
A
This is not playtime. This is the big league.
- [23:56]
B
This is the big league. Game on.
- [23:58]
A
Yes.
- [23:59]
B
You know what I mean? So, you know, it's just. It's a big shift and people will think you acting funny. You know, it's like, oh, bro, like you tripping because I ain't answering the phone because I gotta play a scene where I'm depressed.
- [24:13]
A
Yeah, I need to get in there.
- [24:15]
B
I can't talk to you. I'm depressed.
- [24:17]
A
Literally.
- [24:17]
B
You know what I'm saying, so it's just like. It's those things and those scripts that come in that force you to lock in.
- [24:25]
A
It is.
- [24:25]
B
You know, and that's the. I mean, I wouldn't even say. That's just. And actors, anything you want to do in life, like, if you want to be a gymnast, if you want to be a lawyer, it takes that. You got to clock in.
- [24:37]
A
You do.
- [24:38]
B
But I've also learned how to close the office, too. Like, at home, I got my office. And then, like, I really try to be out of the office by five or six o' clock in the evening.
- [24:49]
A
That's good.
- [24:50]
B
Where I'm like, all right, don't say that too loud. Don't get no ideas, y'. All, you know, but you set your own times up. Like, every day might be different. You know what I mean? You may start a little later, like tonight. Tonight, one of them nights.
- [25:03]
A
Yeah, we gonna.
- [25:04]
B
You know what I mean?
- [25:04]
A
We'll be here for a minute.
- [25:05]
B
Because I've had to. I've had to run scenes till 1am, 2am before with a 9am call to set because. And, you know, you have to make those decisions. But I've also just. Just learned on when to turn it on, when to turn it off. For me, that's good. So I could. So I could be ready for the next day.
- [25:23]
A
Exactly.
- [25:24]
B
It's always another day. Cause sleep is important.
- [25:26]
A
I listen. I tell devale all the time. Because we would. We. In the first few seasons, we would push ourselves.
- [25:31]
B
Yeah.
- [25:31]
A
And I'm like, all right. We just wrapped our energy, y'.
- [25:33]
B
All, Knocking it out back to back, back to back. Y' all like theater.
- [25:36]
A
No, literally shoot. We literally shoot. Like, we're in front of a live audience. I love that one take because Tyler comes from theater.
- [25:42]
B
Shout out to Tyler. I got my first gig on one of my first gigs, House of Pain.
- [25:47]
A
Really?
- [25:47]
B
Yeah.
- [25:48]
A
Wow. And that's still going. It's crazy. That show is still going.
- [25:51]
B
Yeah. I talked to Lance. I'm like, man, what season, y'? All? He said, Bro, like, 13. Something crazy.
- [25:57]
A
Yeah. I'm like, I need to be. That's type of longevity I need. Give me that consistent check.
- [26:01]
B
I love it, Tyler.
- [26:04]
A
But no, I get it. Like, and we would literally, like, push ourselves. And by, like, season maybe four, I was like, d. I can't keep doing this. I was like, let me go to sleep. Because we used to stay on campus after Covid, we would stay at the studio.
- [26:17]
B
Gotcha.
- [26:18]
A
So after we wrapped. All right, I'm about to Order some crab legs. Let's get these lines down for the next day. And one day we were running lines and I was like. And he was like, chris? I was like, no. He's like, chris. I said, huh?
- [26:31]
B
Yeah.
- [26:32]
A
And I was like, I gotta go to sleep. I can't. So I went, I was like, I went to sleep. And then the next day, knew every line. He was like, how did you do that? And I was like, I gotta sleep.
- [26:41]
B
How'd you gotta sleep on it? You gotta sleep on it because you'll, you'll try to run them lines at that 1:00am, 2:00am and you just stumbling.
- [26:47]
A
Over the line, nothing sticking.
- [26:48]
B
And that brain rests a little bit. Let it marinate. It's almost like when I was usually go to dance class. Like, I really didn't know. I didn't know the moves that day. But if they talked the next day. And for the song or the tour we was rehearsing for, I just. The moves just coming out fluid. You just gotta sleep on it, gotta let it marinate.
- [27:06]
A
You know what I'm saying?
- [27:07]
B
With anything that's exactly, exactly.
- [27:10]
A
When it comes to roles that you choose as an actor, do you let the story speak to you? Are there some absolute things that you look for in the character? How do you go through that process? Like, you just had two auditions today. What made you say, I want to read for these?
- [27:24]
B
It's a layer of things. It's a layer of things. I think at this point I'm definitely looking at. First I'm looking at script, looking at story. Does it move me? Is it light hearted? Is it heavy? You know, sometimes it could be either or. Who's the director?
- [27:42]
A
Yeah.
- [27:43]
B
Who's the producers?
- [27:44]
A
Important.
- [27:44]
B
You know, I'm at a point right now I want to go for the biggest commercial gigs. You know what I mean? I want to try to. I want to win.
- [27:54]
A
Yeah.
- [27:55]
B
You know, I want to. I want to be next to seasoned actors, you know, So I do make those choices and I do ask, well, who's casted? You know, and it's no, there's no shade or anything. There's nothing like, oh, I can't work with this person because of this and that. Like, it's like, it's just, I paid my dues but before, you know, I started young and I want that next level. I love Timothee Chalamet's like, speech. He's like, I want to. I want to strive to be a great, you know, And I'm inspired by the greats in the room. And I want to be next to greats and I want to work with greats. I want to be on screen with greats.
- [28:31]
A
Exactly.
- [28:31]
B
You know, and that's just greats. And not to say my peers aren't great. I have some peers that are really great and I prefer to work with if I can. You know, like when I worked with Kelvin Harrison in this film called Gully.
- [28:47]
A
He's so talented.
- [28:48]
B
I was like, bruh, you like my favorite actor?
- [28:53]
A
He's one of my favorite seasons. Absolutely incredible. Yeah.
- [28:56]
B
Actually, that film, I actually met Jonathan Majors for the first time.
- [29:00]
A
Really?
- [29:00]
B
And I was like, bruh, out of here.
- [29:02]
A
Oh, no, he's.
- [29:03]
B
He outta here. He had a side. Like, I had the sides in my hand during rehearsal.
- [29:07]
A
He already.
- [29:07]
B
No sides. Ready, Beast? Just ready.
- [29:10]
A
Yeah.
- [29:11]
B
Still was cut up. It was a T shirt, abs.
- [29:13]
A
I'm like, yeah, you wanna let. Put these sides down.
- [29:18]
B
I'm ready. I'm like, ready.
- [29:19]
A
I'm ready too.
- [29:20]
B
He think he made a jog around us in a360 to get his breath pumping up. For the scene. Yeah, for the particular scene we were shooting. And he was just like. And I was like, incredible.
- [29:32]
A
Do you know where he studied? Cause I always loved, like, people. Do you do that?
- [29:35]
B
I believe he went to school.
- [29:36]
A
Like, he was like, okay. One, like classically trained. Cause I always look to see, like, people that I love in their work. I'm like, where did they study? Because if I can get some type of intensive course in, I like to keep that tool sharp.
- [29:48]
B
I definitely watched and Terrence Howard was on that set. It was a pretty, pretty cool Charlie Plummer. Some really, like, really amazing people, like, right before they really took off, you know, that was the beauty of working on a film like that.
- [30:03]
A
Yeah. What made you say yes to that one?
- [30:05]
B
The script was just like super left field. Like the character, not me at all. Like, if. If anybody that's seen the film would be like, oh, you got a whole different. I believe Miguel. Miguel reached out to me and was like, bro, they don't even know what you're capable of. Wow. And that meant a lot to me because you know when you're doing a new role, you kind of like, you kind of insecure. Like, you're like, man, like, I don't know if. Am I killing it? Like, am I really nailing it? You know? Cause I auditioned a shout out to Nabil. I auditioned like six times and shout out to him for believing in me. You know what I mean? It was like I auditioned for like five or Six times. He was like, more, more. You're not going hard enough. You're too smooth.
- [30:52]
A
Oh, that's.
- [30:52]
B
It was just, like, too smooth. Like, you're too. Like, shake it off. I was like, right, right, right.
- [30:59]
A
Okay. You're like.
- [31:00]
B
Cause I sing R and B, you know, I'm just. I'm Jacob Lattimore.
- [31:04]
A
Right.
- [31:05]
B
Like, he, like, shake that. You're off. That's not gonna work here.
- [31:09]
A
Yeah. Wow. Was it frustrating?
- [31:12]
B
Like, a little bit.
- [31:13]
A
Because, you know, I'm sure at this point in your career, you're like, either you want me or you don't. Like.
- [31:17]
B
Yeah. It was just refreshing, though, because usually after the third audition, they on to the. They looking for the next person.
- [31:25]
A
When they called you Netflix and ticks you, like, we're getting somewhere.
- [31:28]
B
So I believe he was in. He was definitely in there fighting for me because, you know, a producer may have a favorite. The director might have A favorite, writer might have, you know, but the director's like, no, I see something, and you.
- [31:41]
A
Push harder, and that's who has to work with you.
- [31:43]
B
You know, that director.
- [31:44]
A
Yeah, exactly.
- [31:45]
B
Shout out to Nabil for pushing me. That was. You know, that's a. That's a film I always cherish. Just the learning lesson.
- [31:53]
A
Yeah. I mean, in your career, what has been, like, the most challenging thing that you had to deal with, like, on set? I'm sure that was one of the most.
- [32:00]
B
Definitely.
- [32:00]
A
Was that the most challenging?
- [32:02]
B
I would say. I would say. I would say, yeah, definitely it was. Yeah. I haven't been challenged like that in a long time. I mean, season seven of the shy is gonna be. It was. It pulled on me heavy emotionally. Emma's going through some heavy stuff. He's not always smiles and fun and jokes.
- [32:25]
A
Yeah.
- [32:26]
B
I would say this is probably the toughest season for me on the shy. Just on the locking in part. Like, oh, no, I can't. I gotta get. I have to be ready for this day.
- [32:38]
A
To be able to perform the way you need to.
- [32:40]
B
Cause we. You know, you and I both know how, like, when they gotta film that scene that day and they're on that time schedule and they got that shot up, and you trying to be ready for that moment. Ain't no room for air.
- [32:54]
A
No. Are you a method actor?
- [32:56]
B
I can be, yeah. For Gully, I definitely was.
- [32:58]
A
Yeah.
- [32:59]
B
For that film with Kelvin. And it depends. It depends on the. The heaviness of it.
- [33:06]
A
Yeah.
- [33:06]
B
Like, if it's some room for me to add me in there, I don't. I don't really Be on anything method. But yeah, if it's like, not me.
- [33:13]
A
At all, you gotta wake up and close the dough the whole time.
- [33:16]
B
Yeah, lock it, lock it.
- [33:18]
A
Yes.
- [33:19]
B
I may not show up to set with that energy that I like to show up to set with because I want to make sure I'm not acting funny or like, causing any riff raff. Because some people could take the method thing and be rude.
- [33:33]
A
I want to be rude.
- [33:36]
B
I want to just let people know, like, hey, I'm just making headphones in, like, hey, Jacob.
- [33:42]
A
And then as soon as we rap, it's like, man, thank y' all so much.
- [33:45]
B
Like, I had to cut. Let's go.
- [33:47]
A
Let's go get some. Take us back. Yeah, no, I get it. You do. And it's. There's times, like, even with my hair and makeup team, they know me so well, but before they really understood my method, they would be like, key Ken and I would have super emotional team. Like, hey, can y' all just bring it down just a little bit? Cause I can't be around, like, ha, ha, ha ha. And I'm over here, like, trying to keep that. Cause I'm a naturally happy person and I'm not. I'm getting to the point where I can almost cry, like, to the job. But I need. It takes a minute to build it. I'm not like a.
- [34:16]
B
And it gets harder too. Cause you, like, you build tougher skin and you don't. You're not as emotional as you was, you know? So you gotta like, go listen to that one song. Listen, what's your song right now? I think I listened to. I think it was. It was a Boyz II Men record.
- [34:36]
A
Okay.
- [34:36]
B
Oh, I don't want to say it. I want to say it.
- [34:40]
A
And I shouldn't ask you that because my acting coach told me, never ask an actor what their, like, trigger is or like their song or whatever.
- [34:47]
B
It's all good now because it's a couple. It's a cover. Then it's actually an old song that my dad and my uncles sung when they were teenagers. A gospel record.
- [34:56]
A
Oh, your dad was a singer?
- [34:57]
B
Uh huh. Yeah.
- [34:58]
A
Wow. Okay. So the.
- [34:59]
B
Yeah. So like, my dad and my uncles, they formed a gospel quartet when they were young called Lamour.
- [35:04]
A
Wow.
- [35:05]
B
And yeah, they were actually touring and doing their thing. And then they later on got signed to MCA Records by Randy Jackson doing R and D music.
- [35:14]
A
Randy Jackson. Shout out Randy. That's what's up.
- [35:17]
B
Yeah. Yeah. So that room was amazing for them and I learned a lot watching them. I Can imagine just hearing their stories and, you know, learning a lot from my uncle. My uncle still to this day, like, Jake, stay focused. Stay focused.
- [35:31]
A
Lil Jake loves you.
- [35:32]
B
You out there, Lil Jake, stay focused. Don't let him stay out there.
- [35:39]
A
Shout out. We need those voices in our ears because it can get a little crazy, you know, when you're. It's so much coming at you, and life is changing so fast. You need to stay grounded.
- [35:49]
B
Absolutely.
- [35:49]
A
Shout out Ung for that.
- [35:50]
B
Gotta listen to it.
- [35:52]
A
Yes, absolutely. Speaking of music, one of my favorite songs right now is residuals.
- [35:58]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [36:01]
A
You like how I slid on in there? Yeah, you. Let me tell you something.
- [36:05]
B
Hit record.
- [36:05]
A
Bodied. You bodied the. When Tank started the challenge, I was always. I'm like, okay, now who's. Cause that song is just, like, so good. And I.
- [36:13]
B
The R and B authority.
- [36:18]
A
When he started that, I was like, who's gonna, like, hop on this? And when you came in, baby, let me tell you something. I was like, it wasn't enough fire signs. I was like, so good.
- [36:27]
B
You know, I saw the challenge put up, and I was like, I just put my phone down. I was like, I ain't doing it.
- [36:35]
A
Really? He was like, I ain't gonna do it. What pushed you to do it?
- [36:38]
B
Family members calling.
- [36:39]
A
Really? They like, you gotta hop in.
- [36:41]
B
They like little jets. I know you don't do the covers no more, but you gotta do this one. Listen, you gotta do this one. And I was just like, ah. So I literally. I have recorded it, filmed it, and I literally wasn't about to throw it up.
- [36:57]
A
Really?
- [36:58]
B
Like, I had did everything. It was like. I was like, nah.
- [37:01]
A
What was the hesitation?
- [37:02]
B
It was just. I just felt nervous. My body was shaking. You know, that kind of, like, adrenaline rush. I press share. I bet you, like, it was like a hundred comments in, like, two seconds. I'm like.
- [37:15]
A
You're like, oh, here we go.
- [37:16]
B
I'm coming upstairs and just act like. I'm like, what's going on, y'? All? What you. What you mean? What you mean, bro? I see that's how you feeling. You right. What you talking. I ain't.
- [37:29]
A
Cause we were all like, oh, that's how you feeling?
- [37:32]
B
Hey, look, it's just R and B.
- [37:33]
A
It's music.
- [37:34]
B
You know what I mean?
- [37:34]
A
Shout out, Tank.
- [37:35]
B
Shout out, CB Yes. You know, I got a chance to kick it with CB I went to go see him in Brazil.
- [37:42]
A
Yo, his international run was insane.
- [37:46]
B
Yeah. Like. And a lot of the dancers that's with him, I grew up with. And just being out in la, just seeing them, their growth as well. So it was just. It was a full circle moment and I just had to hop on it. I'm like, you know, I'm like. I was hesitant, but I know they was like. I felt like nobody was kind of expecting me to do it either, just. Cause I just been so wrapped into the film. But it was a cool moment for me to just show my talent. On the music side, a lot of fans don't know I've ever did music. What I've seen a lot of comments. They like when Emmett starts singing.
- [38:22]
A
When Emmett starts singing forever.
- [38:24]
B
You know, the world's so big and you gotta constantly humble yourself and say, no, I still got more to. To prove on this side. I still got people to win over. I still got more territory to conquer.
- [38:36]
A
And I'm gonna say something. That song, how vulnerable you were in your cover on that one, I feel you have that like Usher Confessions type of vulnerability where you're really pouring your heart out and sharing your truth and something that a lot of people aren't comfortable doing. Now that you're working on your own original music, is that something that you're putting into your music now?
- [38:58]
B
Yeah. The thing is, I had been doing it. It just seemed like I'm an independent artist. So it didn't really hit when I actually dropped it. I dropped the EP called Closure. Just about just how I was feeling, you know, But I guess it was like, it was kind of quiet, you know, My core fans knew about it.
- [39:17]
A
Yes.
- [39:18]
B
But, you know, something like that come about, they like, oh, we do music like, oh, he been dropping stuff for a long time. I've been dropping heartbreak music. I've been dropping, you know, the heel music, healing music. You know what I'm saying? Connection one, connection two, connection three came out 2016. And, you know, so now it's just a lot more eyes on my next.
- [39:39]
A
Project and with social media too. And then the.
- [39:43]
B
Yeah part of me was like, I need my. I wish my album was done now.
- [39:46]
A
Right. No. You know, perfect timing. Yeah.
- [39:48]
B
Cause I'm indy. Like, we gotta do certain things, you know, we gotta. We gotta be ready.
- [39:51]
A
Yes.
- [39:52]
B
When it's hot. We gotta catch that moment. I'm not signed to a major company. I do wanna go back major one day. I just really.
- [39:58]
A
Why?
- [39:59]
B
I think for me, I just understand what the contract is. I understand what it is like. I understand that. I understand the power of a major label, but I also understand the freedom of being independent. And it does work for me because I Am on set most of the time.
- [40:16]
A
So you do when you want to do it.
- [40:17]
B
Yeah. But major. I mean, major companies still got. They still got their foot in the game in the way that it's still tough for us. But I want to go back with it. With leverage, though. I don't want to just go back to. Go back.
- [40:30]
A
Yes. You know, I want to go back with.
- [40:32]
B
It's got to be. It's got to be. Right. It's got to make. It's got to be worth my while.
- [40:36]
A
Yes.
- [40:37]
B
You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?
- [40:38]
A
Sure, yeah.
- [40:39]
B
What I'm saying. It's got to be worth it.
- [40:43]
A
It has to be. That's what Asha and I say all the time. If we're going to go to a bigger company for representation, they have to be doing more than what we doing here in west, too. We're like, if they ain't doing. We listen. The three of us listen. We go get it.
- [40:58]
B
Yeah.
- [40:59]
A
So y' all had to bring more than what we doing ourselves.
- [41:01]
B
Absolutely.
- [41:02]
A
So we can keep that money.
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B
Absolutely. You know? Cause it's just. You know, you just understand when you think about your favorite artist, right. You think about your favorite touring artists. If you. I don't know, you can name anybody and you look at their touring numbers and you look at who they're signed to. They signed to the Big Dogs. They are. You know, they just. It is what it is. They didn't start off that way.
- [41:24]
A
Yes.
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B
They started off indie. You know, it's a great way to. It's a great way to know how to be a boss indie. Like, it's. Know how to go get your own records, book your own studio time, shoot your own music videos, build your own fan base, build your own band base. Like. Yeah. Like, you gotta. It's a direct to consumer thing. You definitely gotta learn. No doubt about. Because you'll. You'll get to a record company and be like, why? They ain't doing nothing for me. But they. They only. They watching you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, Right. You gotta. They gotta see that you moving. They gotta see that you posting four or five times a day that you're dedicated about it. So they can't. So you can't access that capital that they have.
- [42:01]
A
Exactly.
- [42:02]
B
You know what I mean? Like, a lot of people compare their independent releases to a major artist release. That major artist may have a million dollars on the market.
- [42:11]
A
The backing is crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
- [42:12]
B
Out the gate. As soon as that record drop, a million dollars is spent. And now it's everywhere. It's in H and M. It's in. And elevators. Exactly. You like, oh, my stuff ain't popping. You like, you can't even compare your dollars.
- [42:25]
A
You can't.
- [42:25]
B
You know, you gotta focus on your audience, so. And then when it's the right time, go expand.
- [42:31]
A
Yep, exactly. I love that. Switching gears a little bit. I wanna talk about love, relationships, and personal growth as a young man. Who the ladies love. Y' all love me, ladies.
- [42:43]
B
Is that true? Why is that lady? Why is that lady alone? From night to night, you find me. You seen that?
- [42:51]
A
See? See? And he wonders why.
- [42:54]
B
That's James Brown. That's James Brown. You ever see that? Yes. That's my favorite interview.
- [42:58]
A
Oh, my gosh. Classic. Do you find it hard to date being in the public eye? Cause you've done public relationships, but not really.
- [43:10]
B
I mean, at first, it seems a little unorthodox. I mean, it is different.
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A
Yeah.
- [43:15]
B
Spotlight is different, you know, when dating. But at this point, it's just like this. Just come with the territory.
- [43:21]
A
Yeah.
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B
It's just. It's my life, you know?
- [43:23]
A
I like that.
- [43:24]
B
You know, I mean, it's like. It ain't really. You learn to kind of just brush off certain things. You know what I mean? So it's just. It took some while to get used to.
- [43:32]
A
Yeah.
- [43:32]
B
Everything being so public. You, like, oh, whoa. Okay. People really care about who you're with, who you with, and how you're. How you're moving. How y' all moving as a unit.
- [43:42]
A
Yeah.
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B
And, you know, it's just not. You can't just take it lightly. Like people. If you putting it out there, like, whoa.
- [43:50]
A
Yeah, exactly.
- [43:51]
B
Beware, be ready.
- [43:52]
A
Social media, like, has that Was that ever, like, an issue in your cause? I know, for me, like, they, like, you just give one little clue, and they, like, they know this person's whole life, their whole backstory, and then they have an opinion on everything. And it's like, I ain't ask y' all for that.
- [44:05]
B
No. Yeah. Like, now I would ask. I would have a lot more boundaries now.
- [44:09]
A
What would you.
- [44:11]
B
I would just be like, no, let's not throw that up. Honestly, me, personally, at this point, I wouldn't pop out until it's my wife. You know what I'm saying?
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A
I'm with you. Yes.
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B
You know what I mean?
- [44:22]
A
Yes.
- [44:22]
B
I'm not popping out my girlfriend.
- [44:24]
A
Yeah. That's one of my boundaries. If we're dating, there's no red carpets, no, like, social media posts. I'm not gonna hide you. We can go out and do whatever. If people see us, they see us. But I'm not broadcasting until that's. That is just for my husband.
- [44:38]
B
No, TikTok, it's done, right?
- [44:41]
A
None of that.
- [44:42]
B
I'm popping out, like, yeah, I'm married.
- [44:45]
A
I'm with you. That's good.
- [44:47]
B
That's how I would like to do it.
- [44:49]
A
Pull Issa, because Issa just popped out on all of us.
- [44:51]
B
We were like, yeah, what happened? Yes. It's more peaceful that way.
- [44:57]
A
Way more.
- [44:57]
B
You ain't got to deal with everybody all in your stuff.
- [45:02]
A
I love that. So I want to know Jacob's dream girl. If you could, like, give the DNA or the makeup and the qualities of your dream girl, what would she be like?
- [45:13]
B
Dream girl. First thing come to mind, just a golly thinking woman, like, not a perfect. When I say godly, that's not. It doesn't mean she's perfect.
- [45:23]
A
There's no such thing.
- [45:23]
B
You know what I mean?
- [45:24]
A
Absolutely.
- [45:24]
B
I'm not perfect. Like, I mean, just somebody that's always constantly feeling that conviction.
- [45:32]
A
Come on now.
- [45:32]
B
When they walk, you know, like, trying to live a life of, like, a sense of, like, repentance. Like, oh, man, like, yesterday I could have been better, you know? Like, I want to be better. I think I'm looking, not looking, but if I'm. If I see something, I'm like, yeah, I like that, you know?
- [45:48]
A
Yeah.
- [45:49]
B
Because in the industry we in, we dealing with a lot of spirits. We're dealing with a lot of things going on at home. I needed to be. I need to feel like Holy Grail, you know? I mean, it needs to be like. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I'm mad. I'm in the kingdom of heaven.
- [46:05]
A
Hello. Yeah. That's important. I love that.
- [46:10]
B
That's. That's important for me. I think ultimately, that's. That's a dream girl. And then, you know, outside of that, I need you to be in the gym. You're in the gym?
- [46:19]
A
Yes.
- [46:20]
B
I love to work out. I love to work out with my partner. Like, I think it's a. I think it's very. I think. I feel like it's empowering.
- [46:27]
A
It's great bonding, too.
- [46:28]
B
Yeah, great bonding. Good conversation. Therapy.
- [46:33]
A
Come on. Therapy. So do you have a therapist?
- [46:35]
B
I do.
- [46:36]
A
Good.
- [46:37]
B
It's been a few months.
- [46:39]
A
Okay. That's okay.
- [46:40]
B
But I was heavy in it. I need to get back in there.
- [46:44]
A
Get back in there.
- [46:45]
B
But it was great for me.
- [46:47]
A
Yes.
- [46:48]
B
Because it taught me how to manage a lot on my own. That's good, too. And to let stuff go that, like, you, like. She's like, why are you carrying it?
- [46:56]
A
You like, I don't know.
- [46:57]
B
I don't even know.
- [46:57]
A
That's a good question.
- [46:58]
B
Like, but why? You know, so that I like. I like girl with some style, you know? But that's. That could be taught, too.
- [47:07]
A
It can.
- [47:08]
B
That could be taught. Yeah.
- [47:09]
A
Y' all always say that. Oh, my God. I'm like, I can handle that.
- [47:10]
B
Yeah, that could be taught. Like, I'm like, can you put this on?
- [47:15]
A
It's already laid out.
- [47:16]
B
That's crazy. Then Piper up, like, yeah, yeah. Now what's happening? Like, hey, that's. That look crazy.
- [47:22]
A
Ooh, weed.
- [47:24]
B
Hey, I seen you. I'm like, what. What's happening? You know what I mean?
- [47:29]
A
Yes.
- [47:29]
B
So, yeah, those are materialistic things that could be taught. And then, you know, it's all. I had this conversation not so long ago. I'm like, do I wanna. Do I wanna working working woman, or do I wanna at home girl?
- [47:44]
A
Yeah, that's a good question.
- [47:45]
B
Cause I am such a workaholic.
- [47:46]
A
You need. It's almost like you need that balance. Both of y' all can't be. Yeah. So how do you feel about that now?
- [47:51]
B
I don't know yet. You know, I really don't know yet. I mean, it's not that I don't want my girl to have ambition and a work ethic. You know what I mean? I feel like I think she should definitely have something that she loves to do, but I don't want her to feel like she got to do it.
- [48:08]
A
I like that. Yeah.
- [48:09]
B
Like, when I'm. Like, when I come home, I need you to be at the crib.
- [48:12]
A
Yeah. Where you at?
- [48:13]
B
You know? And that's. And I'll check myself. That's. That's maybe a little selfish of me. A little bit. You know? A little bit.
- [48:19]
A
But it's honest.
- [48:20]
B
But it's honest.
- [48:21]
A
Yeah. You have to be honest with yourself and what you need, you know? And finding the person, that's like, yeah, I can do that.
- [48:26]
B
Yeah.
- [48:26]
A
You know?
- [48:26]
B
Yeah.
- [48:27]
A
Yeah.
- [48:27]
B
It's on us some. I'm still on the. Like, I'm still like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Cause I've had situations where a girl paid for me. One time, I was like, pay for you?
- [48:42]
A
Like what?
- [48:42]
B
Like, in the sense of, like, dinner, like my birthday. And I'm like, oh, I like it. I always. I feel cringy. Cause I'm like. I'm so used to being the one paying nothing.
- [48:53]
A
Yeah.
- [48:53]
B
You know, And I was like, that kind of felt good.
- [48:57]
A
I'm like, oh, God, I can get used to this.
- [49:00]
B
You need a chick with some bread. And then I'm like, hold up. Then I'm like, wait.
- [49:03]
A
Then a lot comes with that.
- [49:04]
B
What's the spirit? What's the spirit? Cause that's more important.
- [49:08]
A
Way more important.
- [49:09]
B
You know what I'm saying? So it's always a battle. But I think for me, I'm just. I'm really trying to force myself in a space right now to be single. It's the longest I've ever been single.
- [49:20]
A
Really.
- [49:21]
B
I started out dating young relationships. So I was in like back to back relationship for like 10 years.
- [49:26]
A
Yeah. I was a habitual dater. Like, I break up and somebody was like, I'm like, yep, next, next.
- [49:30]
B
Next one was public, but the other ones was private and then long and no one seen that. So I'm just like, I don't want to preach like, oh, you should be single. You should never date. Like, that's not what I want to put out there. I just think for me in this season, it's just good for me to enjoy my home.
- [49:48]
A
Yes.
- [49:49]
B
And the silence of my crib.
- [49:50]
A
Jake was important. Yeah.
- [49:51]
B
You know, and just. And take that time out before I share it with somebody.
- [49:55]
A
And I'll tell you something, because I'm a lot older than you. When I had a season in my life where I didn't date as well. And I feel like when you're like us and we've dated so like rapidly or frequently, and you had all these different people, these different energies and just pouring, pouring, pouring. Cause when you're in a relationship, it's all about your partner, you know? And there comes a time where you do have to be selfish as you or whatever people want to call it. But I think in those moments, you learn so much about yourself. You learn how to figure out what it is you like. Because sometimes we can be in relationships, like whatever you like, whatever you want to do. And it's like, damn, what do I like?
- [50:30]
B
Right?
- [50:31]
A
You know, And I feel like in those moments of solitude and just not being, being with somebody, you learn exactly what you want. So I'm proud of you.
- [50:37]
B
Thank you.
- [50:38]
A
Yeah. Because a lot, I mean, people dates like, you shouldn't be alone and all. No. Sometimes you need those moments.
- [50:43]
B
It doesn't necessarily mean that I don't go kick it, you know, like, it's just my home is for me, you know, But I go to dinner, you know, like, I'll go, you know, I have a dinner with a nice young lady, and we'll go to. You know, we. In Atlanta.
- [50:56]
A
We go to a little hookah lounge, so. Atlanta. You know what I'm saying?
- [51:01]
B
Wings, lemon, pepper. You know, you might catch a vibe, you know, so it ain't like I'm just, like, so isolated.
- [51:08]
A
But you're not. So, like, I gotta get somebody. Like, you're not on the hunt or on the prowl.
- [51:12]
B
You know, I'm. I'm very vocal on just like, hey, I'm not. I'm not really taking things serious right now.
- [51:19]
A
Good. So you're not leading anyone on.
- [51:21]
B
Yeah. Thank you.
- [51:22]
A
That's good.
- [51:23]
B
You know.
- [51:24]
A
Yes. It's tough.
- [51:25]
B
It's tough out here.
- [51:26]
A
Listen, I'm trying to tell you. It's very tough.
- [51:28]
B
Cause it's easy. It's easy to be like, I like her, though.
- [51:31]
A
But I really like her, though.
- [51:33]
B
Then you, like, wait, what am I doing? I ain't got no vision. I ain't got no vision. I ain't thinking about the next two years or nothing.
- [51:40]
A
You have to be very intentional when it's time to be in that space.
- [51:42]
B
Yeah.
- [51:43]
A
Because you can break somebody's heart because they'll be like, Jake Lattimore.
- [51:46]
B
They be open.
- [51:46]
A
You like me like, this the one.
- [51:48]
B
Yeah.
- [51:49]
A
And then he, like, he just broke over me. Because you wasn't ready. And then now Jacob Latmore broke my heart. And you don't want that.
- [51:56]
B
I don't want that. I don't want no track record of that. No. No.
- [51:59]
A
So you're doing the right thing.
- [52:00]
B
Thank you.
- [52:01]
A
I'm proud of you. So I. I know you. We said when people ask you what's next, so I'm not gonna ask you what's next, but what are you looking forward to for the future for you?
- [52:10]
B
Right now? I'm just looking forward to just. I'm looking forward to creating more on the. On the film side. Like, I've been trying to practice more writing.
- [52:22]
A
Okay.
- [52:22]
B
Yeah. So, like, taking more time, and I'll talk to writers. And I was like, how long did you. How long did it take for you to write the script? Oh, they said, oh, man, like six years.
- [52:32]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [52:33]
B
You think you could go in writing in your office and write a script in 30 days?
- [52:37]
A
No, no. I've been writing a script since 2000. When was Covid 20? 20.
- [52:42]
B
Yeah.
- [52:42]
A
Yeah.
- [52:43]
B
And a great writer mentor of mine, he was like, you can't write small.
- [52:48]
A
No, that's so true.
- [52:49]
B
You can't write small. He Said it's hard to make it small. I said, I got some. I got some one sheet. He like. He said, one sheets are cool. But it's hard to write song.
- [52:57]
A
You gotta.
- [52:58]
B
You gotta take that two year. Take two, three years every day and add something to the story and the next thing you know.
- [53:06]
A
Yeah.
- [53:06]
B
You have 100 pages, 120 pages. You know what I mean? So just being patient with myself. Journaling more.
- [53:13]
A
We'll have to get you a journal. Have a journal.
- [53:16]
B
I got some. I just. I be like, if you look at the days in my journal, it's like. Like it'd be like months out between date.
- [53:23]
A
Yeah, that's okay. It's really hard, especially when you're busy. It's hard to like, wake up or in the evenings to figure out a time to sit down and really journal. You have to be very. It's something you have to be intentional with.
- [53:33]
B
Absolutely.
- [53:33]
A
So I understand. Trust me. Because there's times in my life where I'm like, oh, that was January, it's March. So, like, I definitely get. I'm more intentional about it now because it's therapeutic for me. And I write my prayers out. So, like, I talk to God about, like, what I'm grateful for, what I'm going through, what I want him do to, like, guide me through and all type of things. So it's more of like my time with God.
- [53:53]
B
Okay.
- [53:54]
A
Where I write it out. But yeah, we'll make sure we give you a journal.
- [53:57]
B
We always need. We always need them journals. I feel like I'd have had like three or four over the past couple years.
- [54:02]
A
Yeah.
- [54:03]
B
Like, you got some information in there. You got some information in there. And you just writing down goals and. I mean, a lot of my goals are like financial and I got real estate goals. I've been into that. Like, I've been. Only the only thing I've been buying is like turnkey properties. Meaning, like properties. I already have tenants in there and it's cash flowing already.
- [54:23]
A
Smart.
- [54:23]
B
Don't really need much work, but I want to get into flipping.
- [54:27]
A
Yes.
- [54:28]
B
Flipping properties in the next. Then the next six months.
- [54:31]
A
Okay.
- [54:32]
B
You know what I mean? So I'm just like diving into that and then also just doing a little traveling, too.
- [54:36]
A
Yeah.
- [54:37]
B
I'm like, this the longest break we've had in between seasons.
- [54:40]
A
Right.
- [54:41]
B
So I want to do a little traveling, see the world a bit, you know.
- [54:43]
A
Yeah.
- [54:44]
B
Enjoy it and get some perspective, you know, get some inspiration. Because I am a homebody. I am like, Chicago, Atlanta, Chicago, Atlanta. Maybe la, Maybe New York, but.
- [54:53]
A
Oh, yeah, you need to get out of the States.
- [54:55]
B
Get out the States, Absolutely. Try some different food.
- [54:59]
A
Yes. You know, different language, all the things. Yeah, that's good. You'll come back inspired. Yeah, I promise.
- [55:10]
B
Oh, he's different now.
- [55:13]
A
Y' all thought I was different. I'm different now. For real. I love that. So we do what is called positive outcomes, where our listeners write in and we give them advice. So I'm gonna read this letter from. I don't want to butcher your name. I hope I'm saying this right. Nalijah Williams. Hey, Nalijah. Nalijah says, I recently just left a relationship I was in for nine years. The only relationship I've been in, the only person I've ever been with. I have three children by him. As I started seeking God, we became further apart. I didn't quite understand until one night we had a big argument and I prayed for clarity. And it was as if God himself was in my face and said, he can't go. The flesh wants what it wants, that it. When it's comfortable. But the spirit says no. How do you handle flesh and spirit? Oh, my gosh, Nalajah.
- [56:09]
B
So I'm not even know I'm experienced enough to help her out with this. But what I do know about what I've read is a man leaves his mother and his father and become one flesh with his wife. And I don't. That. That don't sound easy to me. So I don't think it was ever meant to be easy unless it was like something that's truly detrimental in the relationship. I say fight for it and you got a family man.
- [56:39]
A
I think her biggest thing is that she's seeking a relationship with God and the guy's pulling apart from her. So I haven't had that situation, but I have had a situation where I had.
- [56:49]
B
I missed that part. I wouldn't let. Listen.
- [56:51]
A
Oh, no, you're good.
- [56:51]
B
Okay.
- [56:52]
A
I think that was her biggest thing. But for me, I've been in a situation where literally God sat in the car and was like, I heard the same thing. He can't go. Cuz I was fighting for it. I was like, I wonder. He was a narcissist, manipulative.
- [57:03]
B
Oh, he can't go. As in, like, to your next journey of your life. I see. Oh, yeah.
- [57:09]
A
But you, like, the flesh wants what it's like. But I love this man or this woman. And it's like you see all the things that it could be in your mind and God's like, no, that ain't.
- [57:17]
B
What I have for you.
- [57:17]
A
And the reason why you still stuck is because you haven't let this go. So I can't take you to the next level.
- [57:22]
B
Right?
- [57:22]
A
I've had that situation. And then even where I am now, God has been. He's. I've talked about it on another podcast, but God convicted me on sex. So I'm really my Bible. And like, I'm reading. It's like, sexual immorality. I'm like. It's like the pa. The words are like. I'm like, man, why are you dumbing at me like that?
- [57:40]
B
He'll do it to you. Listen, he's like, I seen you last night.
- [57:43]
A
Huh?
- [57:45]
B
Listen, I wasn't doing that. Yeah, he saw that. You're right. I wasn't. I wasn't even supposed to be over there.
- [57:52]
A
What he was doing that.
- [57:53]
B
I didn't supposed to be over there.
- [57:55]
A
I told a friend of mine, because I gave it up. I gave up sex. And I had the hardest time telling the guy I was dating. I was like, he gonna be like, nah, I'm good on that. And he was like, no, if this is what God convicted you on, like, I'm with it. But I remember telling my friend, as I went even further, I threw my vibrator out and all the things. I was like, I'm really gonna do this. Cause I can't, like, be halfway in and halfway out. And I remember telling her, I was like, there was a bad storm, like, a few weeks ago, and I was like, I woke up, the thunder was so loud. I was like, is that God? Like, I thought he was bad. I went in my closet and everything. I was like, Lord. I was like, if you coming, come on.
- [58:31]
B
Nah. Yeah, them stomach feelings. Don't. Like, I've realized, like, you can't ignore it. You can't ignore it, you know? And anytime I have, it's like, I knew it. I knew it.
- [58:40]
A
That discernment.
- [58:41]
B
Yeah.
- [58:41]
A
You felt it.
- [58:42]
B
Sometimes you feel like you crazy. You feel like I'm being crazy. I'm tripping, I'm overthinking.
- [58:48]
A
You're not.
- [58:49]
B
Nah, nah, that was nothing. You right on point. Yeah.
- [58:51]
A
I told my girlfriend, I said, when I thought he was here, I was like, I really thought God had came back. And I said. And I thought, ooh, if God come back right now, do I want to be somewhere with my legs cocked back.
- [59:05]
B
Like, oh, what are you thinking about?
- [59:07]
A
She said, damn. I didn't think about it like that. I was like, like, think about it. I said, whatever you doing that you ain't got no business doing.
- [59:13]
B
I was like, that's, that's so.
- [59:14]
A
I want to be like, hold on.
- [59:15]
B
Hold on, hold on. I want to be in the word. Like, I knew you were coming.
- [59:20]
A
I knew you were coming.
- [59:21]
B
I knew you would return.
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A
My daddy go say, I told my dad he was done. He said, girl, he said, you going to be gone before he even know you. Like, before you know you going to be caught up in the rapture. I was like, dang. I said, well, whatever I'm doing, I want to be caught up doing the right thing. I want to be getting there like. Like butt naked. Like, what was you doing?
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B
At least you want to be in the covenant, right? You in the covenant. It's like, hey, you know what I mean? You in the covenant.
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A
We made it.
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B
We married. We under your blood. Listen, you know what I mean? It's cool.
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A
Yes.
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B
You single? Just outside, like, ah, man, I knew I wasn't supposed to be there.
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A
I knew it, I knew it.
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B
You know what I'm saying? Like, I knew I was supposed to be at home in my word.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Watching sermons, being alone and sitting. You know what I mean?
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A
So, Nalijah, I would tell you just to continue to work on your relationship with God and anything that is pushing you away from that or hindering from that, you have to separate from it.
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B
That's right.
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A
So we praying for you, girl.
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B
That's right. And forget what I said. Cause I went, I ain't got no business even speaking on that. No, you can't.
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A
So we are going to end the show with a rapid fire game.
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B
Okay?
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A
All right. So every word or phrase that I say, you're gonna tell me the first thing that that comes to mind.
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B
Okay?
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A
You ready?
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B
Wait, wait, wait. Say how. Say it one more time. I'm be listening you so soon.
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A
I'm going to give you some phrases and whatever I say, I want you to say the first thing that comes to mind. It can be like. It doesn't have to be just one word. You can like whatever comes to mind, you can say it. Okay, the first one is the shy, consistent. Oh, all right. The perfect woman out there. Ah, she's out there somewhere. Self care.
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B
Therapy.
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A
I love that.
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B
Milwaukee, hometown.
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A
Yes.
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B
Growth uncomfortable.
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A
Was it manhood?
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B
Oh, an everyday learning curve. I don't never feel like I'm there.
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A
I love that last one. Purpose.
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B
Purpose. It's divine. Almost don't even understand it. Like I'm still trying to figure it out. Like, you think it's because you're doing your music. You think it's because you're doing your acting. But it's like it's something deeper. You know, it's deeper and you just. You still. We still trying to figure it out, right? Like, oh, oh. That was the purpose for me being here. That was the purpose for me working with this actress. That was the real purpose for me working with this actor.
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A
Yes.
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B
Like, we doing this movie is gonna come out, but that conversation I had with the person was like, that was it. And that's the mysteriousness of the creator.
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A
I love that. I love that. Jacob, thank you so much. I really enjoy talking to you.
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B
Yes.
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A
Vibe. Yes.
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B
They gonna like this?
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A
They are gonna love it. They're gonna love it. Thank you so much.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Oh, my goodness. My episode with Jacob Lattimore was absolutely amazing. He has been in the game for so long. I took so many gyms. I know you guys did too. One of the things that stood out the most to me were when we talked about survivor's remorse and who can come with you and who can't. And I feel like that is so prominent in so many people's walks is knowing when it's time to let certain people go and the people you should hold on to that understand where you're going and your walk. That was an incredible conversation with Jacob. His journey and personal growth is inspiring, and I hope you're walking away as motivated as I am. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode. If you want to write into our positive outcomes listener letter, you can send us an email to keepitpositivesweetiemail.com youm can follow me on all platforms at lovechrystalrenae and you can follow the show at Keepit positive, sweetie. Guys, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review and share this episode with someone who could use some positive energy. And remember, no matter what life throws at you, stay focused, stay confident, and always keep it positive, sweetie. I'll see you guys next time.