Celebrating 10 Seasons of Sistas w/KJ Smith-Black & Jordan Coleman

Summary

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Keep It Positive, Sweetie

Episode: Celebrating 10 Seasons of Sistas w/KJ Smith-Black & Jordan Coleman
Release Date: March 15, 2026
Host: Crystal Renee Hayslett
Guests: K.J. Smith Black, Jordan Coleman

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This milestone episode of Keep It Positive, Sweetie brings together two generations of Sistas stars to celebrate the show’s 10th season: K.J. Smith Black (Andy Barnes), a foundational cast member and executive producer, and Jordan Coleman (Cheyenne Barnes), a vibrant new addition. Host Crystal Renee Hayslett creates an open space where the trio dives deep into the evolution of their characters and themselves, the realities of sisterhood both on and off-screen, and the responsibility and joy their platform brings. The conversation blends laughter, honest admissions, inspiration, and hard-won wisdom—all with a tone of warmth and encouragement.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

Building Sisterhood On and Off Screen

• Chemistry and Authenticity (10:20):
  • K.J. describes instant chemistry with Jordan, crediting their openness and mutual support:

    “Our chemistry was right, right off the bat. Like, our vibes are immaculate...she’s just a freaking angel. So...it was very easy.” (K.J., 10:28)

  • Jordan, an only child in real life, draws on her longing for sisterly bonds to portray Cheyenne’s dynamic with Andy:

    “...as an only child, you are always looking for someone to either look up to or to talk to. So I feel like I was easily gravitated towards you as my big sister…” (Jordan, 12:10)

Navigating New Beginnings and Legacy

• Joining an Established Cast (14:04):
  • Jordan details the intimidation and “imposter syndrome" she felt joining a show with a decade-long legacy:

    “Coming in on season 10, that’s really the hardest part. They’ve been doing this...Can I do what they’ve been doing? And can I impress them?” (Jordan, 14:04)

  • K.J. emphasizes the importance of supporting new cast, mindful of her own early-career experiences and the pressures of confidence being mistaken for ego:

    “I have the confidence of a thousand wild stallions...Because I’m so confident, people think that it’s ego...But I want all my friends looking pretty...Your light is shining. I need it to shine.” (K.J., 15:40)

Character Growth Mirrors Personal Growth

• Storyline Resonance (19:15):
  • K.J. recounts how the introduction of Andy’s mother and sister created a backstory that mirrored her own family dynamics, highlighting art imitating life:

    “I called Courtney immediately. I said, bro, you wrote my life on film, and you don’t even know this part of my life.” (K.J., 20:52)

  • The cast discusses how “Sistas” consistently reflects real-world issues for Black women and families, leading to meaningful audience connections.

Growth, Evolution, and Empathy

• Character Arcs (24:34):
  • Jordan on channeling Cheyenne’s chaos and insecurity:

    “I am coming in as such a lost young woman...my arc is like, I’m not even close to becoming who I am yet.” (Jordan, 23:19)

  • Both K.J. and Crystal admit that detaching from their own perspectives to fully inhabit their characters was a challenge, but necessary for authenticity.
  • K.J.:

    “I have an obligation to share these journeys how they’re supposed to be shared...when I put myself into it, I can’t do that freely.” (K.J., 25:50)

Sisterhood, Boundaries, and Self-Care

• The Real Life Side of Onscreen Bonds (29:36, 47:49):
  • Jordan and K.J. share that real sisterhood developed off-camera—group chats, mutual support, and gifts:

    “I feel like I just have great leadership, great sisterhood. Legit. I don’t feel alone at all in this.” (Jordan, 29:16)

  • K.J. reflects on her season of “isolation” as she manages her evolving career, motherhood, and new priorities, advocating for transparency and asking for help.

    “Now it’s leadership of a household...understanding what career and family and friendship looks like...” (K.J., 30:01)

  • Both discuss the importance of drawing boundaries and maintaining mental health with social media.

    “Boundaries have allowed me to keep things positive.” (Jordan, 77:50) “Asking for help...I just discovered it...” (K.J., 78:37)

The Responsibility of Representation & Community Impact

• Impactful Fan Encounters (58:25):
  • The stars describe how fans approach them with personal stories resonating with show topics, especially those involving abuse and trauma:

    “That was the first time when I said, oh, this is...yeah, this is important. What I do is important.” (K.J., 59:29)

  • They discuss the responsibility that comes with portrayals, especially when fans see their own struggles reflected.

Social Media, Criticism, and Reciprocity

• Audience Reactions and Setting Standards (64:17, 67:08):
  • Jordan and K.J. discuss handling negative comments, with Jordan expressing empathy for detractors and K.J. being proactive about setting boundaries on her platforms:

    “I feel like I would be doing a disservice to myself to allow people to talk about any of you, especially...” (K.J., 66:12)

  • On body-shaming and public scrutiny:

    “I posted a video where I felt like I looked damn good...if I post it, I like it. It doesn’t matter if you like it...you don’t get to talk about my body.” (K.J., 69:59)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On Sisterhood:

  “That’s the beauty of watching the show...we’re going to see her [Cheyenne] transition into a woman, hopefully because of you and because of the sistas on the show...” (Jordan, 34:47)

• On Character Growth:

  “Playing Andy, I was just like, girl, you are a hot mess. And then I had to look at myself and be like, girl, you are a hot mess. I was a hot mess. And I’m not ashamed of it anymore.” (K.J., 37:02)

• On Social Media Criticism:

  “What you’re doing is not okay. And I’m gonna let you know it’s not okay. You may want to go back and forth...I’m not going to be there to go back and forth with you because you’re also blocked.” (K.J., 67:01)

• On Keeping it Positive:

  “Saying no to certain things, saying yes to certain things...it goes back to being able to pour from a cup that’s full.” (Jordan, 77:50) “Mine is definitely asking for help. I love it. And I just discovered it.” (K.J., 78:37)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• [03:24] — Crystal introduces the guests and kicks off with lighthearted banter
• [05:53-09:52] — Rapid-fire questions for breaking the ice
• [10:28-13:00] — Building chemistry and parallels to real family dynamics
• [14:04-18:05] — Jordan’s first days on set and dealing with nerves
• [18:53-22:29] — Evolution of Andy’s character, introduction of family backstory, and life mirroring art
• [23:22-26:56] — Staying open to new character arcs; separating self from character
• [29:36-32:10] — Real-life isolation, recalibration, and growth as careers evolve
• [34:47-36:29] — Unpacking Cheyenne’s internal struggles and how women often mask pain
• [47:49-51:55] — Sisterhood behind the scenes and social support systems
• [52:00-55:41] — “We Got You Sis” fan/community events and connecting off-camera
• [58:25-62:57] — Moving stories from fans, the weight and privilege of representation
• [64:17-73:23] — Handling criticism and setting boundaries on social media
• [77:39-79:33] — How each guest is “keeping it positive” in her current season
• [80:26-83:07] — Guests’ current projects and where listeners can support

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FINAL MESSAGES

• Legacy Meets New Beginnings:
  The episode is a celebration of women at different phases supporting, learning from, and uplifting each other—on screen and off. The wisdom shared offers listeners not just behind-the-scenes tales from Sistas but universal lessons on embracing growth, championing others, and leading with empathy.

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CALLS TO ACTION

• Watch new episodes of Sistas every Wednesday on BET at 9/8c
• Support K.J. Smith Black’s Black Coffee brand on ShopRedBag.com
• Stay tuned for Jordan Coleman’s action short film
• Follow @crystalreneehayslett, @kjsmithofficial, and @jordancolemanofficial for more inspiration and updates
• Email the show at [e-mail] with questions or for a dose of encouragement

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In the words of Crystal:
“This sisterhood isn't about being in the same place at the same time—it's about holding space for each other as we grow, evolve, and step into who we're becoming.” (Crystal, 83:24)

Keep it positive, sweetie!

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Transcript

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[K.J. Smith Black]

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[Crystal]

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[Jordan Coleman]

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[Crystal]

Calling all my Sweeties to the forefront I'm your host, Chris Renee Hayslett, and this is the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show. Welcome to the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show, a space where we slow down, reflect and grow through honest conversation. Today's episode feels especially meaningful because I'm sitting down with two women who represent different seasons of becoming, yet share powerful bond through storytelling and sisterhood. My sisters, K.J. smith Black and Jordan Coleman. And first, we have the incredible KJ Smith Smith Black, an actress, executive producer, entrepreneur, and mother who has spent 10 seasons bringing the character of Andy Barnes to life through her work on Tyler Perry's Sisters and Beyond. She continues to champion stories that center working women, community and purpose, all while stepping into one of the most transformative chapters of her personal life. And alongside her is Jordan Coleman, a rising voice in television and film, now stepping into the world of sisters as Cheyenne Barnes. Jordan brings a fresh energy to the sisterhood on screen, embodying a character who is bold and emotionally layered. Together, they represent what it looks like when legacy meets new beginnings, when experience and discovery sit at the same table. Today's conversation is less about titles and more about growth, sisterhood, and what it means to keep evolving in a world that is watching. Kids, family. Please give a very warm welcome to my sisters, K.J. smith Black and Jordan Coleman. Kim Stanley. Please give a very warm welcome to my sisters, K.J. smith Black and Jordan Coleman. Sisters Sisters.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Hi, Crystal.

[Crystal]

Hey. Welcome back, kj. We've had you here before. Welcome, Jordyn.

[Jordan Coleman]

How are y' all doing? Oh, so good. I'm so good.

[Crystal]

I do, too. Oh, my goodness. Can I just say we fight over Jordan. We love her so much. Look, you got here yesterday. We were like, we both have braids.

[K.J. Smith Black]

They had braids the same color on.

[Jordan Coleman]

I was like, but you had the same color.

[Crystal]

But I kind of took it up a notch with the braids.

[Jordan Coleman]

They're a cohesive unit. We are. We really are.

[K.J. Smith Black]

We always end up dressing alike.

[Crystal]

We Do. Except for today. Y' all came in here looking like Golden Globes, and I'm in here.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You look like the Golden Globes. You always look amazing.

[Crystal]

Thank you. But y' all excited? Stunning.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Thank you.

[Crystal]

Thanks for showing up for me.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Of course. Always.

[Crystal]

So before we get into the conversation, I want to do a quick rapid fire with you guys.

[Jordan Coleman]

All right?

[Crystal]

We're going to break the ice. So the first thing that comes to your mind is what you're going to say. And kj, you can go first and then Jordan. So we kind of like that. Okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Crystal, you know this is dangerous for me.

[Jordan Coleman]

Are you not good at rapid?

[Crystal]

She just says the first thing because

[K.J. Smith Black]

I need to not be good at rapid.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay, got it, got it, got it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Less rapid. I need to think before.

[Jordan Coleman]

Oh, I'm excited.

[Crystal]

That's my problem.

[Jordan Coleman]

Let's rapid.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Let's rapid, please. Slow, please. Okay.

[Jordan Coleman]

Come on.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Sorry.

[Crystal]

All right, we're gonna go. Starting with trailer vibes. Dressing room vibes at tps.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Okay.

[Crystal]

Music playing or quiet focus?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Quiet Focus.

[Jordan Coleman]

Music playing.

[Crystal]

I knew this.

[Jordan Coleman]

I knew it.

[Crystal]

Your favorite. Self care. After a long day of shooting, a massage.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

Sana.

[Crystal]

Sana. That's good. KJ treated me to a chiropractor after we finished shooting last season. She just came to see me.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Actually.

[Crystal]

Just posted it on Instagram. Baby, when I tell you she's Dr. Dozier, shout out to her. She got me all the way together.

[Jordan Coleman]

I've never done the lion doctor. You haven't done it?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, baby, we have the best.

[Crystal]

Oh, my goodness. So when he comes to Atlanta, don't worry about it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

Bet Alex sees you. Just had. That's another one. One upped me. See? Okay, now I gotta figure out something.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm being lied. I'm be aligned. Y' all are so sweet.

[Crystal]

All right, the first person you text after a great scene.

[K.J. Smith Black]

My husband.

[Crystal]

Of course.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm all.

[Crystal]

I knew that who was here with us today.

[Jordan Coleman]

Single.

[Crystal]

Yes. One thing you always have in your trailer. Bag.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Okay.

[Jordan Coleman]

Toothbrush, Deodorant.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes.

[Crystal]

Are you a morning person or a night? Aisle aisle owl.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Morning.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes. Morning.

[Crystal]

Me too. Lip gloss or matte lip.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm a gloss girl.

[Crystal]

I'm more of a matte.

[Jordan Coleman]

Matte.

[Crystal]

I love matte gloss. Cause I've tried to switch it up, but I love a good matte.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

I'm the same way. Your favorite comfort movie that you can watch over and over again and coming

[K.J. Smith Black]

to America as a class.

[Crystal]

Coming to America. Yes. Pulp Fiction. Okay.

[Jordan Coleman]

It's not very comforting. But boy, is it fun. Boys. It a ride.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Violence and drugs.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay. And I'm like, yes. Right.

[Crystal]

A song that feels like your main character's anthem.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Ooh. Ooh, I have so many.

[Crystal]

I'm about to say you. I'm sending you an action movie.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Ooh, I have so many actions.

[Crystal]

So many that make you come alive.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm like, no, this is.

[K.J. Smith Black]

This is stressful because I love you. Go first.

[Jordan Coleman]

That lady.

[Crystal]

Lady. She's Olivia.

[Jordan Coleman]

Honestly, anything. Olivia Dean.

[Crystal]

She's everything, everything, everything right now.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Cardi B. Hello. It's me.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay. Yeah, that's for sure.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's my j. I'm here in my head right now.

[Crystal]

And the last one, kj. This might be a little risque for you, but we gonna ask it anyway. Who would your dream kiss scene be with?

[K.J. Smith Black]

My husband.

[Jordan Coleman]

Oh, my gosh.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm gonna pass that test, baby.

[Jordan Coleman]

Right? That's such a cop out. I can't say that right. Dream kiss. There's so many people. Not that, like, I want to, but there's just so many people in the world. Okay, I'm gonna go with an actor.

[Crystal]

Okay.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay. I'm go with my first celebrity crush.

[Crystal]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you ready?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

This is gonna blow everyone's minds. Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, that's your first? Really?

[Jordan Coleman]

It was like my. I think it was my first celebrity crush. Okay. And maybe Mr. Walt. I don't know.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's the way.

[Jordan Coleman]

I don't know. Jesse Pinkman, you did something to me. I loved it. Maybe that.

[Crystal]

We'll take it. Okay.

[Jordan Coleman]

I hope he never sees it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's a good choice.

[Crystal]

He will.

[K.J. Smith Black]

He's gonna see it.

[Crystal]

He's definitely gonna see it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's okay. Yes.

[Crystal]

All right, let's get into it, ladies. Okay. Yes. You two play Sisters on. On Sisters. On Sisters. That's a tongue twister. And that is a very layered scenario when you have two sisters that are playing KJ. Andy has been there since season one. We're in season 10. And here comes Cheyenne lighting things up everywhere. Not just in your house, but everywhere, as we've seen as of late. Let's talk about what it's like playing Sisters on TV and how you both built chemistry to make it seem like it's very authentic from what we see on television.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I think our chemistry was right, right off the bat. Like, our vibes are immaculate. Like, we can go from talking about fitness. She's teaching me about fitness.

[Crystal]

Oh, my goodness.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And health. And we can talk about the most mundane, silly thing. Like, it's Great. Our chemistry was great. Off the bat, she's just a freaking angel. So, you know. And I am, too, obviously. Absolutely. Hence the aesthetic. So, yeah, it was very easy. And I am a little sister, so it was great because I was able to. I'm able to see what I actually did to my sister. And so it's actually fun. It's fun to be like, okay, were

[Crystal]

you a good big sister or were you a little tyrant?

[K.J. Smith Black]

I was a little tyrant. I was terrible. I was terrible. And my mom would let me get away with it. She'd be like, help your sister with her homework.

[Crystal]

And I was like, oh, help me.

[Jordan Coleman]

So you, like, didn't want to help. You're like, figure it out. Because I did, like, one of those. Oh, no, no, no.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm the baby sister. Okay, well, I'm not the baby sister anymore, but I was the baby sister.

[Crystal]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

For a very long time.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

My baby sister is now 14.

[Jordan Coleman]

So do I remind you of her at all on the show, or am I just insane? Cheyenne?

[K.J. Smith Black]

No, no, you do not remind me of my.

[Jordan Coleman]

I don't remember.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Okay, got it.

[Crystal]

You're like, thank God I'm a little.

[Jordan Coleman]

No, no, no, no, no.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You remind me of my former self. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Crystal]

He's like, I see me.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I see me. And you.

[Jordan Coleman]

What is it? The mirror?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Crystal]

And let's talk about that. I feel like it does have a mirror that kind of shows out on camera, but in real life as well. How has playing a big sister and a younger sister. Do you have siblings?

[Jordan Coleman]

No, I'm the only child. But it's interesting because as an only child, you are always looking for someone to either look up to or to talk to. So I feel like I was easily gravitated towards you as my big sister on the show. Because it's interesting, as an actor, there was nothing. There was nothing to pull from it in real life. But what I did pull from was the longing of wanting someone like that in my life. And so that need is so desperate in Cheyenne, whether people see it or not. So I'm just pulling from that. I just don't know how to ask you for anything. I just ruin it. I remember we just posted it on Instagram. I said, a little boy likes you in preschool. They push you down to show you that they like you. And that's literally what I'm doing.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, it's great.

[Crystal]

Yeah, you're good at it. You are really good at it, Cheyenne. Let's talk about day one on set. You're walking in with this seasoned actress, KJ Smith Black, who's been dominating and carrying this show for 10 seasons. Seriously.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, my gosh. Receive that. Thank you.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes.

[Crystal]

I want to know what did that. Cause, I mean, I know I start. KJ's been my scene partner since day one as well. Since day one.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

Yeah. So I know what it was like and what I felt as Fatima walking into Andy Barnes office on day one. Mr. Barnes wants to see you in the Ms. Benson's room. Was that your first scene? Yes, girl.

[K.J. Smith Black]

We all were like, yes.

[Crystal]

I was like, just get the lines out.

[Jordan Coleman]

It's always like, the easiest line too.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And you're like, I remember.

[Crystal]

Yes, girl. I was so nervous. But I wanna know what was that first day like for you?

[Jordan Coleman]

The first day was the biggest day. The first two days were shot in her penthouse, which is already like, you go into the bathroom and it's 12 by 12 picture of her face, and I'm just standing there like this. Like, what did I get myself into? Where am I?

[Crystal]

Where am I?

[Jordan Coleman]

Definitely a little bit of imposter syndrome. And I prepared so much, just learning the lines. I was like, if anything, I'm gonna know these lines. CA coming in on season 10, that's really the hardest part. They've been doing this. They're so used to this. Can I do this? Can I do what they've been doing? And can I impress them? And I feel like I did it.

[Crystal]

You did, but it was a blur.

[Jordan Coleman]

Like, I was literally like this. Cause the first scene, I dropped my robe. You. That was the first scene of the day. And that's the first scene in the show. And so it's like one of those things on set. Like, the intimacy coordinator is there. It's more quiet, so there's no hustle and bustle, which helps me as an actor where it's super quiet, I get even more nervous. I was sweating and I barely had clothes on, but I don't know, I did it. And it. After we got through that, I was like, yeah, I'm supposed to be here. I'm supposed to be here. This is happening. But I was nervous, let me tell you. Even with, like, you called me, obviously, weeks before we even started, and you're like, this is gonna be great. Whatever you ever need, you come and you do your thing. Don't. Do not worry about outshining me. Like, do what you need to do. So I had that in the back of my mind. But sometimes going Onto a set that you're just brand new at. You just.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You just.

[Jordan Coleman]

You forget everything. It's just nerve, nerves, for sure.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I didn't want her. I think. I think a lot of people have given actresses a bad rap, and I didn't want her to experience what I had experienced on some sets where I'm a girl's girl.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I have the confidence of a thousand wild stallions. Okay. And what happens is, because I'm so confident, genuinely, people think that it's ego and that I'm not rooting for everyone and that I don't want you to be confident.

[Crystal]

I've never gotten that from you.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Never. No. That's not my Steve at all. I'm like, I want all of my friends looking pretty. Everybody, whatever that is for you. I'm not saying you got to dress like me or look like me. I'm saying whatever that is for you. Your light is shining. I need it to shine. Don't dim it around me. Because it's like. And we're all so confident. You know, it helps. Yeah. We're also confident. So it's like, I wanted her to know we're all confident.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So lean into that. And I love that she's so confident. I love that she's so beautiful. I love that she's so talented. And I didn't want her to. Not dead alone. Because she thinks that we're gonna be like, you knew. Simmer down.

[Crystal]

Right?

[Jordan Coleman]

Right. And I. I appreciated that. I appreciated that combo so much. I think I probably called my mom right after you had called me, and I was like, she just called me. And this is the things that she said. Because not that it's always happened on set, but just in life in general. Being a woman and being confident. I have caught myself dimming my light so many times to try to make sure other women in the room feel better. Right. And it's like, is that my responsibility?

[K.J. Smith Black]

It didn't work either.

[Jordan Coleman]

I had to. It took a long time. Friendships have ended because of it. You know, you have to walk on eggshells because other women don't know their own self worth. And when you do, it looks like you're doing it on purpose in front of people. And I can see it. And I am very sympathetic to that. And so then I take on the burd. And that is very annoying.

[Crystal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jordan Coleman]

Right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Because when you have empathy, you see people's insecurities, and you're like, I'm just not going to.

[Jordan Coleman]

And that sucks. Insecurities are nothing to play with. They lead to so many different dangerous things in people's lives. I'm like, well, I don't want to be part of someone being more insecure.

[K.J. Smith Black]

But it's self esteem. There's nothing we can do. I know.

[Jordan Coleman]

Sometimes you just have to remove yourself from the situation. It's better.

[Crystal]

Well, I want to tell you, definitely came in. You did your thing. I was. When you say I wanted to impress him, I was very impressed. I was like, this girl's on her own.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Crystal]

And you brought a different dynamic that the show didn't have.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's true.

[Jordan Coleman]

It's very different.

[Crystal]

You spiced it up, honey.

[Jordan Coleman]

Which I think is what I was kind of nervous about, you know, watching the show and just making sure I see all the interviews. I'm like, wow. No one is like, my character. I'm gonna be loud. I'm gonna. Even down to the things I'm wearing. When I meet Zach for the first time, I'm in this frilly little skirt, and I'm like, you want me to do what? In these five inch heels? And everyone's in business suits. It's like. Cause everyone's just, like, watching me. They're like, this new character. She's insane. What is she gonna do next?

[Crystal]

What is she gonna do?

[Jordan Coleman]

It's pressure, but it's really fun. Pressure.

[Crystal]

KJ, after 10 seasons with this character, which is. That's insane to say. Can you believe that?

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's Jesus.

[Crystal]

And we started in 2019. But, God, but, God, I want to know, what does it feel like welcoming new energy into Andy's story.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It feels amazing. Like, you know, season nine is when my mom was introduced. Mrs. Barnes. Or Ms. Wait, is it Mrs. Or Mrs. I should know that it would be

[Crystal]

Ms. Technically, because she's not married.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, she's not. All right, well, if she's a widow,

[Jordan Coleman]

do they drop it?

[Crystal]

No, I think you keep it.

[Jordan Coleman]

You keep it. Okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

My mother was in the comments below.

[Jordan Coleman]

I need to know this, how it works in the comments. Tell us.

[K.J. Smith Black]

This is important. I should know this, but when they introduced Andy's mom, I immediately went to the writers and were like, thank you so much. Cause we didn't get a lot of backstory. We did not understand why Andy was the way she is, why she's so rigid. And then her mom comes in and breaks all her boundaries. She's like, you need to go to church and you need to do this, and everything you do is not good enough. And I paid for this. And da, da, da. And you See why Andy is so structured and why she wants to be who her idea of perfection. Because her mother put that pressure on her. And so then when we see Cheyenne and it's like, you don't put that pressure on Cheyenne.

[Crystal]

They never put it on the baby.

[K.J. Smith Black]

They never put it on the baby. Me, I was the baby. They never put it on the baby.

[Crystal]

They don't.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And it's like, I'm like. And she let Cheyenne do whatever she wants. That is your sister. She literally says that. That is your sister. I'm gonna share something with you all. And not to tell my business, but my mom and my. Me and my mom watch the show with my daughter every Wednesday at 9. We watch like clockwork. And so we didn't get a chance. I was really sad last night because we didn't get a chance to watch it with them. And I was like, is my baby watching the show? They were like. She was sleepy. I was like, put the show on for her. She needs to see her mama.

[Crystal]

And we need the rating. Right?

[Jordan Coleman]

We need the rating.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And so my mom and me and my daughter watched the show, and my mom said to me, and I'm not making this. This is verbatim. My mom goes, I feel like I'm watching myself.

[Crystal]

Wow.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Because she has had these conversations about me with my sister or about my sister with me. And so she literally said that verbatim. She said, I feel like I'm watching myself. And so the way that these writers and Courtney Glo, who did season 10, the way he wrote that, not even knowing my mom, not even knowing my sister dynamic. I called Courtney immediately. I said, bro, you wrote my life on film, and you don't even know this part of my life. So I just think it's incredible we're telling stories like that. And for art to imitate life is so incredible. And I love my cast. I love her so much. So it's such a great dynamic that we love each other, but I can play mad at her because we're acting. You know what I mean? Exactly. So I love having this new dynamic. I love having this spice in my life, and it's amazing. I think it's what our show needed, and I'm really grateful that season 10, this pinnacle moment, is when we have it.

[Crystal]

No, for sure. It is like, it's a pinnacle time where even in. I think everything's also aligning with what's going on in the world.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Absolutely.

[Crystal]

You know, we touched on the season nine and carried on into ten, and the things that we're talking about this season, it's just. It definitely relates. And I think that's something we can attest to every season. When we walk out into the world, they're like, oh my goodness. Your character reminds me so much of me.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Crystal]

I'm like, fatima remind you?

[K.J. Smith Black]

What are you doing? Put the gun away.

[Jordan Coleman]

Put it down.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Please.

[Crystal]

You gotta fight.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Everybody please put the bat down.

[Crystal]

The bat. These windows you busting out this week?

[Jordan Coleman]

The tissue. I'm just grabbing a tissue.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm just grabbing a tissue.

[Jordan Coleman]

And then I'm just like this.

[Crystal]

Clueless has no idea what's happening.

[Jordan Coleman]

I just don't care.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I just don't have it right.

[Crystal]

Exactly. Exactly. I want to know with the growth of the show and then of your characters, there's going to be some more growth and expansion for that. What are you open to? How do you stay open to where the characters. I know we get this, Chris, and we're like, sometimes. There was plenty of times where I was like, where do I go and not do that? Right. So how do you like stay in a mindset of, you know what? I'm just gonna not judge it. I'm allow it. Or do you have moments where you're like courting me?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

All right.

[Crystal]

Nah, reel it in, bro.

[Jordan Coleman]

I think the difference that would be between mine versus Yalls. You have such a more like established characters and you have a career. You guys are in relationships. I am coming in as such a lost young woman. So my arc is like, I'm not even close to becoming who I am yet for sure. I can't wait when Courtney's writing for me and it's a little all over the place and chaotic and I keep messing up. I'm like, that makes sense because I'm a 25 year old girl who's trying to understand her sister. I don't really have my mom in the picture anymore because she's sick and. And I'm just trying to figure out the world.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

And what does that look like? I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know what's right. I don't know what's wrong. I keep making the wrong decisions. And I feel like a lot of young 20 year old women can probably attest to that or. Or older women looking back on how they were in their 20s, they're like, I know I am annoying on the show, but I'm like, I know y' all did some of this stuff. Just making some bad decisions 100%. So I'm okay with How Courtney is writing stuff right now. Cause I'm like, I can tackle that. Yeah, that makes sense. And you have to take yourself out of it.

[Crystal]

Right.

[Jordan Coleman]

The responsibility of an actress is take Jordan out of it. What would Cheyenne do? What is Cheyenne going through? What is she running from? I didn't have to deal with that type of stuff as Jordan, but Cheyenne,

[Crystal]

yeah, that was hard for me. Like taking Crystal out of it. It took me a while to do that same.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I was like, same. You got me looking crazy.

[Jordan Coleman]

That's what my acting coach says all the time. He was like, but Jordan would do. We don't care what Jordan loves. We don't care. Does Jordan think it's funny? It doesn't matter. What does Cheyenne think?

[K.J. Smith Black]

We. We had to. I'm telling you. I used to. Tyler was sick of me. I was like, tyler, what? What's going on? He be like, just simmer down. And then, you know. You know what inspires me to stay open is when someone watches a show and they send me a message or a dm or I see them in person and they say, I'm just like this. Or I made that same decision. Or I am you. Or I've done that before. Or that inspires me to tell the story the way it's written. Because no one is living. Like, I. I have to take myself out of it because I have, like you said, I have an obligation to share these journeys how they're supposed to be shared.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And when I put myself into it, it's like, I can't. I can't do that freely. I can't be.

[Crystal]

It's a disservice.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's a disservice to myself, the character and everyone watching. And so when. When I think, oh, I. I know what my character would do. I know how they. They would do it. I have to kind of just try to pray about it and remove it. Because there's somebody who's like, no, I am exactly like this. Yeah. Because for years I was like, man, Andy is such a smart dummy. She's such a smart dummy. And I'm like, hold on.

[Crystal]

We always have those moments. Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I.

[Crystal]

You.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Like I said, oh, I'm also a smart dummy sometimes.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oops.

[Crystal]

Right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I had to acknowledge my own fault. And I wanted to be so self righteous about who I am. And like, I would never do that. And I would never be put in that situation. I would never do that to a friend. And I would never. You know, and it's like, man, then. Then I look at My life. And I'm like, why could I handle that differently? Why didn't I see that coming? Why was I so naive about this?

[Crystal]

Right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, we educated and was like, you know, wow, we're still making interesting choices.

[Crystal]

Yeah, right?

[Jordan Coleman]

I love that.

[Crystal]

Jordan, your life is taking a new turn. This is a new season. How have you adjusted to the sistas world and being pushed out even further? Cause you've been acting, you've been on other shows, but I know this is a different beast.

[Jordan Coleman]

Oh, my gosh. I mean, going up further and further on the call sheet is no joke because like everybody else in la, normally you start off background actor.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Right.

[Jordan Coleman]

And I went to a pa. That's how we started. Yeah, yeah. And then try to get like a day player role. Then you try to get that reoccurring and then when you get that series regular role, it's to be celebrated, of course. And then you're like, oh, my gosh, the responsibility just got way bigger. I am now helping carry a show. It is. It was very nerve wracking. But I will say, coming in with this ensemble, you guys, you've made it easy. I want to stop. I want to say the word easy. I'm like, every time I think I have to do something alone or figure out something, I'm like, wait, I can just text Crystal. I can just text kj. I can just text Krista.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Why did you say her first?

[Jordan Coleman]

I don't know.

[K.J. Smith Black]

We talked about that.

[Jordan Coleman]

No, but it is a really big adjustment. You have more eyes on you. But I feel like everything happened at the right time and it prepared myself to be able to handle all these new responsibilities. I think if I was thrown into it eight years ago, I don't know. I don't know. Because there's so much that goes on, not just on screen. There's agents and there's more people you have to talk to and there's things that you have to handle behind the scenes that no one is there for. And it actually kind of feels more lonely sometimes because all your friends that are still, say, doing background or they're still doing day player roles and it's like, I'm here and I'm still with them, but. But I can't always talk to some people about certain things.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Absolutely.

[Crystal]

Because they're not in the same space.

[Jordan Coleman]

It starts to secure where you're at. So having you guys, oh, my gosh. On and off set.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

Because we don't really get to talk that much on set. It is, it's like work mode. Yeah, but, boy, like, you guys answer my texts within 30 seconds. Sometimes I don't feel like I'm ever alone, and I feel like I just have great leadership, great sisterhood. Legit. Legit. I don't feel alone at all in this. That's amazing.

[Crystal]

Cause it can be.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

And you said something that was very poignant. If I had a guidance eight years before, you would have mishandled it. And then also understand and being mature enough to understand that things come in the proper timing, and then it does feel lonely sometimes. Kj, have you dealt with that? As your star continued to rise and you were like, gosh, I feel more isolated in this season, 100%.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I feel like this is my isolation season.

[Crystal]

Really?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes, absolutely. I feel like I have to recalibrate. I think, you know, I've been hustling for. I don't even want to say the number. Okay, 20 years, maybe, just grinding and, you know, working my butt off. And then you. You know, Tyler gives us this opportunity in 2019. And, you know, by that time, my nervous system is still not regulated. I'm still in grind mode. And I still had thoughts that were not. That were sabotaging me and not serving me, you know, like, oh, this could go away any moment, or, you know, this is fly by night, or this is. This opportunity never happen again, or this show, you know, just thoughts that were not supportive of my dreams. And then, of course, you get in therapy and you start to dismantle all those things. And now I'm in a family dynamic where I'm having to learn not about career things per se, because I feel very settled in who I am and who I am in my career and our show and what we do and what we love to do. But now it's a whole family thing where I'm like, okay, you know, now it's leadership of a household, and now it's planning of a legacy and my children, my children's children, and understanding what career and family and friendship looks like. Yeah, because when I was hustling, it was friends all day, baby. It was. It was like we were leaning on each other. We had each other's back. And then you're. Now you have a partner. Now you have a baby. Now you. You take care of your mother and your grandmother. And so it's kind of like, okay, I have to manage this part. I have to figure this part out, and then I can. And I'm telling my friends. I'm being very transparent. I'm like, hey, I am I'm not in the space right now, but when I am, we're back on it. I love you. Checking on you, are you? Well, how's the family? Happy New Year, you know, things like that. But I can't be as present with that space in my life. And of course I'm gonna work. I love working.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So when it's time to work, it's like, listen, can I love what we do? I really love what we do. I think what we do changes the world, and I truly believe that. And I feel like we've gotten feedback for that. We talk about the sweeties. You have changed people's lives with this show. You have changed people's lives with this show. Imagine if you had not gone through your own journey of healing and figuring yourself out and sharing it with people. You've inspired me to share more, and I'm like, oh, I can share.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Wow. I can be myself.

[Crystal]

Yes. Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, okay. You're never getting rid of me now.

[Jordan Coleman]

It really comes.

[Crystal]

All right, Cheyenne,

[K.J. Smith Black]

that means you're a

[Jordan Coleman]

good actress, right, Jordan?

[Crystal]

Cheyenne comes in boldly shaking things up, but she's also searching for something. How did you approach that balance and being the one that's the firecracker and spicing things up but also showing. No, I'm in need of something as well.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

I had to sit and think about this character because I've done it a lot when I was younger. Especially, like, usually the people that laughs the most, tells the most jokes, those are the people that people always say, check on them, because a lot of times they're masking things, you know? And with Cheyenne, she exudes confidence. Her makeup is beat, her hair is laid, her clothes are slayed. But within herself, it's chaos. You know what I mean? So she tries to perfect her looks, and she tries to pretend like she's okay. And normally those are the people that need the most help. And I think every episode we're gonna start seeing the way that she's lashing out on you, the way that she is overly promiscuous with men that she just met. It's all a cry for help. The way that I reach for certain substances to take my mind off of things. Those are all signs of someone that is really in need of a sister, family, friends. And that's the beauty of watching the show is obviously, we're going to see her transition into a woman, hopefully because of you and because of the sistas on the show. It's gonna take a minute because she is A hot mess. But you know, that is womanhood, right? Going from a little girl and learning and making mistakes and having people around you. So that's my vision for her. I understand why she's doing what she's doing, and I understand that it's going to change for sure. Yeah.

[Crystal]

Just slow.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's a little Arrested Development. It's a little bit of Arrested Development. It's like she still want. In my opinion. I feel like she's still, like you said, a little girl. But it's like, honey, you're 25, right. You should be looking for a job. You should not be reckless.

[Jordan Coleman]

Because you say it to me in the show. You're like, how did we become so different? Right? But I'm holding trauma with you leaving. And I create more trauma for myself by seeing what you made of yourself. Because I didn't do it, you know? And I'm jealous when I see the law firm. I'm jealous when I see the penthouse. And so I use those words and I attack you rather than celebrating you and just asking for your help and guidance. I'm coming off as snarky and I pretend like I'm okay when really it's jealousy.

[Crystal]

That's so good. She touched on how do you.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

In real life, 30 girl.

[Crystal]

She's so well spoken and eloquent and

[K.J. Smith Black]

just smart and wise.

[Crystal]

You keep going.

[Jordan Coleman]

Keep going.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's enough. Not too much.

[Crystal]

Your turn. Your turn.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I can't think of anything.

[Crystal]

That's why I said that.

[Jordan Coleman]

No, thank you.

[Crystal]

No.

[Jordan Coleman]

What do you say? I received that.

[Crystal]

Yeah. Because I feel like a lot of people are crying for help. So many people are like the ones who are normally laughing and trying to make everybody else laugh. A lot of comedians are like that.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes. Yeah.

[Crystal]

Like Kevin Hart did the laugh at my pain. Like so many people. Funny. Marco said he pulled from pain to be funny, you know, So I agree with you on that. Those are the people need to check on. And a lot of times their outlashes are the things that they say that aren't so kind is really a cry for help.

[Jordan Coleman]

I mean, you see people like Anthony Bourdain and I mean, a bunch of celebrities that gave the world happiness, but they were never happy within themselves.

[Crystal]

That's so true. True.

[Jordan Coleman]

It just sucks.

[Crystal]

That was good. That was good. I hope. I know there's somebody that's going to take something from that. That was really good. Nakayjay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Crystal]

We have watched you and Andy grow.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes.

[Crystal]

How did the character evolving Affect your personal life and how KJ has evolved.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, man. Me and Andy.

[Crystal]

Me and Andy.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's my girl. I love Andy. I. I would not have have changed if I didn't play Andy.

[Crystal]

Wow.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I would not have changed because I just. I was stubborn. I was stuck in my ways. I. I took pride in my trauma. I took pride in my victimhood. I took pride in. Oh, pride. That's my baby's name.

[Crystal]

It is.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I, you know, I really took pride in the drama of my life, you know, and all of it had become cyclical. So, you know, I would create chaos, and then I would cry to my friends, and they would tell me how great I am and how it's not my fault. And then I wouldn't learn from my mistakes. And Andy forced me to hold myself accountable and in a way that I don't think any of my friends could have. I don't think my mom could have. My mom has told me, you need to do this or this or this. And it's like, she's my mom. So I. I didn't listen. And my friends, they didn't feel like I was in the space to learn or they didn't know it themselves, you know, because of course, you form bonds with where you're at. And so in playing Andy, I was just like, girl, you are a hot mess. And then I had to look at myself and be like, girl, you are a hot mess. I was a hot mess. And I'm not a ashamed of it anymore. I'm very. I'm. I'm. I take pride in the person I was because that person made me who I am now.

[Crystal]

Exactly.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And it was. I thank Andy every day for changing so much of my life. She's just changed my whole. I mean, without Andy, I wouldn't have met my husband. Yes. I would not have had my baby. I would not have been afforded the opportunity to retire my mother. And so she. She's everything. I love her. And she's still teaching me lessons. Playing her is still teaching me lessons to this day.

[Crystal]

Isn't that crazy?

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's crazy.

[Crystal]

Yeah. Same.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's crazy. And. And I'm so grateful. Yes. Like.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You talk about how Fatima. Yeah.

[Crystal]

Yes. Definitely has changed how I approach relationships. You know, she's a hothead. You know, she's like, I'm gonna fix it. She's a fixer. She's like, so whatever it is, I'm ready riding. I. And sometimes you gotta just. Who gonna ride for me? Right? You know, you gotta, like, take a step Back to just make sure that the people that you're going so hard for. Cause Fatima goes hard for everybody. You know what I'm saying? Even on your friends, who I wasn't really friends with on the show, just by association to you, I'm like, what they need. Okay, Danny.

[K.J. Smith Black]

What you need.

[Crystal]

But not saying that, like, Danny doesn't reciprocate that. But even in real life, when you go hard for everybody else, you have to make sure that people are pouring into you as well.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You're like that in real life, too. And it's so interesting because Fatima. Fatima is. You're like Fatima in some ways, but, you know, you don't. You're not. You know, you're not like that. But maybe. But you. You genuinely ride for people. You have the heart to help people and to make sure their lives are better. Like, I. If. If I need. I go to your. The first person. I'm Chris. Do you have a dentist? Like I need. She's like, oh, yeah, this is who I go to. Like, you're just very much that girl.

[Crystal]

You're not a gatekeeper.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You're not a gatekeeper, and I'm not a gatekeeper.

[Crystal]

No, you're not.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, and so it's just kind of like our synergy has just evolved and who we are, it just keeps elevating and I think our characters. Because who. How would we have seen our flaw. I don't want to say that we would have never seen it because God, you know, God reveals it. He probably had been trying to tell us for years.

[Crystal]

Let me just put you in front of me.

[K.J. Smith Black]

He said, you know what?

[Jordan Coleman]

He's like, here's this mirror, right?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Because this is. I have to give you the message in a way you're going to receive it because you didn't receive it XYZ way.

[Crystal]

Come on, kj.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

That's so good. I love that.

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[K.J. Smith Black]

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[Crystal]

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[K.J. Smith Black]

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[Jordan Coleman]

I got it. I got it. No, I got it.

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[Crystal]

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[Jordan Coleman]

Okay.

[Crystal]

Rock, paper, scissors for it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Rock, paper, scissors.

[Jordan Coleman]

Shoot. No.

[K.J. Smith Black]

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[Jordan Coleman]

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[Crystal]

If you could gently nudge your character in a different direction this season, what direction would you try to push her into?

[K.J. Smith Black]

I would try to push her into more empathy for her sister. I think. I think she's very close minded in, in her idea of what her sister is supposed to be. She wants her to be what she wants her to be. And she has to love her where she is. And I think that's a lesson for. For a lot of. Of people is you have to love people where they are.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, and so I would nudge her into showing her sister more empathy, more grace, really. Sitting down and talking to her. She hasn't, she hasn't said what has been going on with you? How has your life been? What's your favorite color? What? You know what? What? Nothing. Besides, when are you gonna get a job? Yep.

[Crystal]

And we gonna get out this house.

[K.J. Smith Black]

When you gonna get out of my house? You know, my clothes and out. Yes. And. And I think it's not love. It's not love based. It's very task oriented. It's very goal driven because it's very parental. And that's not what Cheyenne needs from Andy. Cheyenne needs love. That's what she's seeking. And Andy needs love too. If Andy would just. If Andy would just sit with her sister, she would see how they're the same.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Andy is promiscuous. Andy will meet somebody and be like, we going to pan downtown? I mean, you know, yes. Andy. Yeah. Maybe she's not taking drugs, but she's gonna sip some wine every night or whenever she's.

[Crystal]

You have your vices.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah. Whenever she's, you know, doesn't want to deal with her emotions, she's gonna get lit and drunk and.

[Crystal]

No for sure.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, So I just really think that if she had more empathy for her sister, she'll see herself in her and then she'll want to change, she'll want to grow and shift. Right now it's very parental. It's very.

[Jordan Coleman]

You're almost noticing the differences more rather than trying to Understand me And the similarities. Because you're like, how are we so different? We came from the same house. Well, let's see why you're like this. Because we came from the same house. You know how. Two different conversations.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And what, you know, I can share here, though, is there's obviously. Obviously, some trauma between Cheyenne and Andy that no one wants to address.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's the elephant in the room that no one wants to address. And, you know, her mom asked. She said, what happened between you two? And Andy deflects.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah. We're like.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Everyone's, like, not gonna talk about that.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And instead of her. Instead of their. Them coming together because of the trauma, they. They just. I mean, oil and water. So I. I can't. I would love to see that. I would love to see that. And I. I want us to show what sisterhood means. I. I have a great sister.

[Jordan Coleman]

I have.

[K.J. Smith Black]

My. My two sisters are with my baby right now because I was like, I. I'm. I'm going to work.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And they're with my baby right now. I have great sisters. And so I'm really happy about this arc, this storyline, because I'm like, yes, I want the world to see great sisters, and I want everyone to have great sisters like me, you know? And so, you know, I hope we bring that to the world.

[Crystal]

I love that. And you talked about something that is very prominent in the black culture, and that's deflection, especially when it comes with trauma. And I hope that I'm not. Courtney, I'm not telling you how to write the next season, but I hope that there is something that can shift that for the black culture so we can start talking. I know therapy has become a thing that we're used to now. We go to therapy, and we're not ashamed of it like we used to be. It used to be such a stigma behind therapy, but I do hope that we can get behind that family trauma that we try to brush under the rug and not address so that families can start healing. Yeah. So I hope that we can also touch on that. I agree, too. We're gonna go behind the scenes now. Cheyenne, this. This was your first season. The show is about sisterhood. But I want to know how you felt sisterhood in real life behind the scenes on Sistas.

[Jordan Coleman]

My goodness. I mean, I always talk about it from day one when you called me when I booked the role, Katie was like, can I call her now? They're like, not yet. She's like, can I call her now? They're like, just Wait a second. She's like, I'm calling her. And she goes, hi, it's kj. I was like, hi.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And it just.

[Jordan Coleman]

From there, I knew it was going to be fantastic. And then, you know, I'm looking at all Yalls Instagrams and I'm like, no, I'm not gonna press Fabo yet. I don't want to be that person. And then we get on set, there's gifts. You guys are welcoming us with open arms. We're dancing, we're singing. Because I think we did a gallery shoot first. We didn't.

[Crystal]

We sure did.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

That was a great idea.

[Jordan Coleman]

It was fantastic. We didn't meet on set. We met in a fun environment where we got to just be laid back a little bit. And that was my first, you know, kind of introduction to you guys. And it was nerve wracking being at Tyler Perry Studios. This beautiful, massive acres and acres of land and everything is so professional. And I'm like, I just hope I can fit in. Then season 10 comes out and we're on press tours and we're. That was another thing I was almost a little nervous about. I was like, how does this go? Like, is it just very. You know, we get into the Sprinter, and we're like, where'd you get your nails done? What magnesium do you take? And I'm like, yes. Like, I found my group of people. Because you never know until. Until you know how people are gonna be. You took me to a Broadway show. When we left, you didn't do that.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm so mad about it. I'm still mad about. I'm so mad about it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Took the Broadway show. We had dinner.

[Crystal]

We had oysters.

[Jordan Coleman]

We had oysters.

[Crystal]

She's like, wow, I wasn't really.

[Jordan Coleman]

Buy you a yacht and I received hat.

[Crystal]

You got it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

No, it's a battle, but.

[Jordan Coleman]

And I got to know you so much in that time, too. We could just talk. Just talking and talking. And the bonding was woman stuff, business stuff, health stuff. That's what a sisterhood is about. And to be able to have someone that you can talk to about anything and everything, no judgment. I mean, I'm so grateful. Eternally grateful. I know a lot of women don't get this, especially joining a cast and an ensemble that's been going on for 10 years. Some people don't even talk on set. It's like, I'm here to do what I need to do. Hey, what's up? But with you guys, I mean, we're in multiple group chats. Yeah, you know, I was like, I left my foundation. Crystal's like, I got you. It's that quick.

[Crystal]

It's my sister.

[Jordan Coleman]

I don't know if Fatima wants me as her sister.

[Crystal]

Right. I don't know right now, the way you going, I don't know. Next time it's not gonna be tissue.

[K.J. Smith Black]

No, no, no. It's gonna be the.

[Jordan Coleman]

No.

[Crystal]

But I love that that is when gonna. You're experience. No, seriously. Because we take pride in making sure that the energy and the vibes on set are positive and uplifting from. I'm talking about from the PA to the top. We want to make sure that everyone feels love and that we appreciate them. Because without everybody, they couldn't go on. But to know that you came on and felt that love definitely makes me feel happy.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Same.

[Crystal]

Yeah, Love, no complaints. Amazing.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I love that.

[Crystal]

I love that Sistas has an extension called we got you sis. And you two recently did a nail salon activation in Atlanta. Tell me about that experience.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You wanna go first?

[Jordan Coleman]

It was so much fun. My favorite thing is not expecting anything and then just being blown away to have a whole salon transformed. All of our photos, I think where we were set up, getting our nails done. It was you, Fatima. It was just like, look, looking down on us. It was so funny.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

I was like, oh, my. I was like, she's here. But my face, everyone's faces. We had cupcakes with our show on it. And we have these beautiful women coming in, receiving massages, getting their nails done, and just chit chatting. It wasn't like a very upscale event. It was very like we were just roaming around. We were dancing. People were able to just chat with us, take photos. I love. But it's very behind the curtain type of ordeal.

[Crystal]

Absolutely.

[Jordan Coleman]

And I love that type of stuff because it really lets the fans know, like, we're just like you. We're just telling stories.

[Crystal]

Exactly.

[Jordan Coleman]

And that's our job. But look at us right here. Let's take some selfies. Let's talk. Yeah, that was my favorite part.

[Crystal]

I love that. Kj, you've done a lot of these. So is there a most memorable moment that you can remember from all the we got you sisters that you've done?

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, I just love the community. I love that it feels like community. I feel like when we're there, we're not actresses from the show. Sisters.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I feel like we're with our sisters. And that's the part that I love the most and that I'm gonna feel every time we do this.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, so I feel like that's. I. We got. Your sister is one of my favorite because we get to reach out and touch people who watch our show, support our show, feel inspired by our show. Who. Who watch who. Because what has happened now is not only do they love Fatima, they love Crystal. Not only do they rock with Andy, they rock with jj and so.

[Jordan Coleman]

And.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And soon it's going to be, not only do they rock with Cheyenne, they rock with Jordan.

[Crystal]

Jordan. Like, how do I get my life, my body together?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

Longevity.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I told her I'm saving all my. My fitness tips. Now when I'm going to use them, I don't know, but I'm saving.

[Crystal]

Oh, you know what? We should do a collab, because I do. Did you move today?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, I can move. I can move. And I can take vitamins and make juices. I want to be a part of the group. I want to join. I want to be a part of the group.

[Crystal]

Congrats.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay.

[Crystal]

Congratulations.

[Jordan Coleman]

We got you. Yes. Oh, gosh. It writes itself, guys.

[Crystal]

Yeah, like, but they will. They Will they get to know you beyond the character?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, that's my favorite part. And that's on. That's every. We got you sis activation that. That we do in all the different cities. So we're doing one in New York.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes. We have a peloton event because beautiful Tunde, who is. Oh, my gosh. So many of my family members, they're like, oh, my gosh, I love Tunde. And I was like, oh, you use her like, when you're writing. And they're like, like, no, she's too hard. But I love her. And I'm like, oh, no, listen.

[Crystal]

Tunde had me second guessing. Why did I click on the button?

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm like, listen.

[Jordan Coleman]

And we're gonna be there live. Turn it up. I'm like, don't stand up. I'm like, I gotta stand up.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm standing up.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm really gonna need someone to have me sis there because I know she's gonna.

[Crystal]

Oh, she's gonna.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You excited? Oh, no.

[Crystal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

We're doing it live.

[Crystal]

Well, you just got on the bike recently.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I love, love the bike.

[Jordan Coleman]

They be all right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

But see, here's the thing. At home on my bike.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes. You get to.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I get to do what I want.

[Crystal]

Right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

If I'm tired, I can rest. Go. I can take the knob down.

[Jordan Coleman]

No one's watching.

[K.J. Smith Black]

No one's watching.

[Crystal]

They'll never know.

[K.J. Smith Black]

They'll never know.

[Crystal]

They'll never know. They'll never know.

[Jordan Coleman]

But Here, right in front of a live audience.

[Crystal]

It's a different type of pressure when you're in studio. It's like, I got to show up and show out.

[Jordan Coleman]

Does it almost become easier, though? Cuz you're like. Like, I'm going to look good.

[Crystal]

Like do.

[Jordan Coleman]

That's why I take group classes, like in Pilates.

[Crystal]

You know what? You're right. You hit this like pl. Like you hit the heel top of the hill, where it's like park. And then I feel like it just.

[Jordan Coleman]

You, like break through that wall in a group.

[Crystal]

Interesting.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Boom.

[Jordan Coleman]

She's like, yeah, you're going do great. Damn, you can do great.

[Crystal]

You're going to be fine.

[K.J. Smith Black]

People don't understand. I. I am healthy for aesthetics only. I don't. This is not a lifestyle.

[Jordan Coleman]

We got you.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, I need to work out. Okay, I'll go work out for one day.

[Jordan Coleman]

So maybe you do need to be a part of the. Did you move today?

[Crystal]

Yes. We'll let you into for sure.

[Jordan Coleman]

We're gonna talk. We'll have our people call your people.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

You'll have the supplements and everything that she needs to take after the workout. We'll get the program together.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Good. Yes.

[Crystal]

We got you.

[Jordan Coleman]

Because I could talk for days.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's gonna be great.

[Crystal]

It's gonna be great.

[Jordan Coleman]

You're gonna feel amazing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's gonna be great.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Will I look like you?

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Okay, great.

[Redfin/Lenovo Announcer]

You already look.

[Jordan Coleman]

We are talking about the. Oh, the biceps, the abs.

[Crystal]

Yes. And the legs.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, and the legs.

[Jordan Coleman]

That's that protein. It's 140 grams of protein every day.

[Crystal]

I love that you count your protein.

[Jordan Coleman]

It's the only thing I count.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

Like, I don't really calorie track and I. Well, I'm so ridiculous that I just know how much sugar is in almost everything. I can walk down.

[Crystal]

I don't know how much sugar was in a pack of sugar. Sugar and pumps of syrup. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

Different granola bars. I can tell you how much is in anything on the shelf. Oh, so then it's just in my head.

[Crystal]

We're gonna partner with.

[Jordan Coleman]

We gotta.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, you gotta do it.

[Crystal]

Yeah, you gotta do it. And you're gonna be there with us. Yes. We're gonna get you.

[Jordan Coleman]

But you eat very healthy, baby.

[Crystal]

This woman meal plan. Yeah. Especially when we're filming.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So I don't have to work out.

[Jordan Coleman]

But that's half the. They said the abs are made in the kitchen. That's really where people. That's why you can train separate seven days A week. And if you have a horrible diet, I mean, forget it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Thank you.

[Jordan Coleman]

So you're doing good.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Crystal]

No, I love this. We got each other. This is what it's about.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes, I love it.

[Crystal]

Also with we got you, sis. It also has conversations where we, as black women, like we are now, we're seeing each other, and we're like, okay, let me help. Oh, I see some synergy here. We can do different things together. But it also brings conversations where women are able to open up and talk to us about things that they may be struggling with or things that they may see in our characters that they identify with and want to talk to personally. Kj, this is probably more for you. Has there ever been a moment where somebody came to you and told you something that really just stayed with you

[K.J. Smith Black]

all the time, Honestly, I mean, I've had women tell me that they are being physically harmed by someone they love. And. And, you know, when we first started doing the show, there was a scene with Gary and Andy. And you remember where he, like, he's holding her, but it crossed the line. There was. There was a line that was crossed to abuse. And that resonated with her. And she, you know, at a live event, she pulled me to the side and was like, hey, you know, that really resonated with me because I have a partner, like, currently have a partner. And it really challenged me because at what. How do. How much do you get involved? Right, right. You have a community. How much do you get involved with matters like that? And so that was a pinnacle moment for me because I had to realize all of this is bigger than me.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And I think you get in this, and everyone's like, oh, I want to be famous. Oh, I want to be popular, and I want to have the nice cars, and I want to have the nice things. But are you going to do what's right for the community that supports you? Are you going to offer resources? Are you going to help when people need you? And. And that was. That was really heavy for me. And since then, it's been pretty very frequent. And so, you know, our obligation is to you. You kind of got to start deciding how you're going to get involved, because then. Then you. You're risking yourself.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

As well. So that. That was the most. That was the most. That was the first time. I'm not going to say the most because I've heard a lot of stories that really affected me, but that was the first time when I said, oh, this is. Yeah, this is important. What I do is important. And how I respond, how I affect change in this person's life. Yeah, it matters. Matters, because the words I say next or the number that I give out or the email or the message or the follow up can change this person's life. And that's when I realized, like, our. Our power and how to step into that. Because I was scared.

[Crystal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I was. I was scared. I think. I think, you know, we are gifted with something. I think God wouldn't have blessed us with this if we. It couldn't handle it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

But at first it was like, this is too much. And I feel like we've all kind of had that moment where we're like, I'm outside, I'm outside. I want to help, I want to do this. And then we go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is. This is. This is a lot to manage because

[Jordan Coleman]

you can't pour from an empty cup.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes, exactly. So, but yeah, we. We. That's why I said, we're. We change lives.

[Crystal]

No, we do.

[Jordan Coleman]

When you said, you know, we have the responsibility as an actor, they say they want to do these things. Well, when you're on a show and your character is dealing with this, whether you like it or not, you become an advocate for whatever is happening. If I'm abusing drugs, well, now I have a story to tell, and it's going to be raw and it's going to be dark, and those people watching and listening are going to. Now look at me for some of those answers. I actually, I had a co worker the other day. I posted something that we were doing, and he doesn't post a lot on social media. And he just goes, do you ever get tired of posting everything? He wouldn't even say it in a mean way. He was just, like, genuinely wondering, like, do you just. Is it exhausting? And I was like, no. Because the amount of DMs, like, before the show, when it was just health and wellness, the amount of people, like, I almost committed suicide, or I've been struggling with my health and my wellness. And every time I see you post, it makes me a reminder to just take things slow or to go to the gym or just do what I can because I'm big on. If you got five minutes, do five minutes, you don't have to do the hour, you know, And I can't stop posting if I know that someone is, you know, getting help from that. I feel like now I just have obligation to keep going. But you just have to continue to make sure you do what you need to do for yourself, because I want to continue helping, but you can't, cannot pour from an empty cup. You won't be of service.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

No, that's so true. And I think I got to a point, I feel like you have too, where social media did become a lot. You know, and you may reach this point, you may not, but I know for me, it got to a point where I had to find a balance because it was a lot and the comments were a lot. And I've had conversations with you and with devale about just the comments and what people say, and I'm just like, oh, my goodness. You know, it's just a lot. And I've had to, like, learn to balance it and take a step back. Sometimes I do my September sabbatical where I completely log off. Yeah. Just to do a cleanse because we're so, like, everything is thrown in our faces and we come desensitized to things where it's like every time you turn on your phone, you see in something so graphic that you wouldn't see, you know, otherwise.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah. If.

[Crystal]

Unless you were there, you know, like. But they're like, putting everything is on online now. So I love that you don't feel that way. But I definitely have had moments where I'm like, okay, I gotta log off.

[Jordan Coleman]

It can be a lot, the comments. Yeah. It's exhausting. I say people just don't have consequences anymore.

[Crystal]

I see you commenting, too. We can talk about that. I feel like it's a safe space. And we talked about. You're a newcomer on the show and we seen, like, the comments and some of them are not so nice. Like, how has that made Jordan feel?

[Jordan Coleman]

I never think of it as a personal attack. I always. It goes back to when people are mean. I think that they're projecting or I think they may be unhappy. Because I've never went to social media and wanted to publicly bash someone that I don't know. I think that it's crazy. So if someone is getting to that point, then I would rather just reach out and be like, hey, like, this isn't the space for that. And what I really don't like is when it's, you know, other women or other black women doing it to us, because I feel like that's the thing that we've been trying to get over for decades and decades. They want us to be against each other. And now we have social media that's almost making it easier for them to just, you know, Twitter finger And I just. I know I never want to snap. It's hard sometimes. If I catch it, I just log out. But I'm just like, hey, like, let's just keep it chill. Let's just keep it nice. And I see you sometimes. You're like, baby, kjb. You're like, you're blocked. And I like to block people because I'm like, I don't. That's bad energy.

[Crystal]

I love the block.

[Jordan Coleman]

I block because I don't want you anywhere around the people that I love. Like, why are you bashing people that are just doing their job? And, yeah.

[Crystal]

You say that you, like, this is somebody's job.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

When they're like, cancel the show. And I'm like, this is my livelihood, you know? And I'm like, this isn't affecting you and your life, but it would affect mine. And you're putting that energy out there. Let's tone it down a little bit. So it's like, I want to stay on Instagram to keep a positive outlook to people, because the more positive people that leave Instagram, well, now it's just toxic and you have little girls watching. So if you can handle it, it is always nice to try. You just have to know the balance, because you can just get into fights on Instagram and then that's just. You're not going nowhere.

[Crystal]

Yeah, we do not want that. Yeah, I love that. That.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah, go ahead.

[K.J. Smith Black]

No, no, no.

[Crystal]

I was going to say, I love that you don't take it personally, but you. I love, love that you get in the comments sometimes and give them.

[Jordan Coleman]

It's usually when it's about other people, you know, don't do that.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I have to. I have to say something. I, I. People just get really out of pocket, and I feel like. I feel like I would be doing a disservice to myself to allow people to talk about any of you, especially.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And me or anybody else. Like, do not. Because. Because what I have to do, I have to set a standard that this is not acceptable to me. What you do with that information that's on you. You can go back and forth with yourself because you're blocked, but I have to at least let you know that I will never allow this ever.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So if you want to continue to do that, please do it. But I'm not going to let you. You talk about her or you or Mignon or Tunde.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

At all. On no level. Leave it alone. Stop it. Because that's not okay.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And what you're doing is not okay. And I'm gonna let you know it's not okay. You can. You may. You may want to go back and forth. I'm. I'm not there.

[Crystal]

I won't be there to go back.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm not going to be there to go back and forth with you because you're also blocked. And. And so to me, that's what I have to do for me.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Because now you know that KJ does not allow that. I'm not going to be Kumbaya with you.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Like I said, I'm a soldier in the army of the Lord. Okay. There. Listen, like, there. There are boundaries that I feel like it's necessary to set. Because what I feel like happens is we're 10 seasons in.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

The first season, I let you slide. You can say whatever you want. Second season, I let you slide. Everyone was telling me, don't go back and forth. Don't say nothing. Leave them alone.

[Crystal]

That's what we've been taught.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's what we've been taught. The third season, fourth, you still. You still think you can talk to me any kind of way you want. Like I'm not a human, like I'm not a person. Like I'm not your sister, your niece, your cousin, your auntie. I mean, and you don't know someone who looks like me, acts like me, who reminds you of me. You don't know anybody like that. Would you talk to them that way? No, you wouldn't. So why you feel like you can talk to me like that? And I just don't accept it. And so I posted something recently. Yeah. I lost weight after the baby pretty rapidly.

[Crystal]

Can we give it up for the snapback?

[K.J. Smith Black]

I received that.

[Public Investing Announcer]

So good.

[K.J. Smith Black]

A little bit louder, please, next time. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, everyone in the room, actually. Thank you. That's better. Wow.

[Jordan Coleman]

We need the sway clap that they

[Crystal]

put on, right, baby?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Well, I lost. I ended up losing my baby weight. I don't know how it happened. I was bursting, feeding, and, you know,

[Crystal]

they say that helps, too, but I just lost it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I told you, I work out once a week. Maybe. I don't know, whenever I feel like it. I'm sorry. I wish. I'm sorry. I know it. I know it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Once a week. It's great.

[K.J. Smith Black]

But what I've learned, and we talked about this, I had hormonal balance issues.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And my doctor told me it's better to get at least one extra hour of rest than it is to train for an extra hour.

[Crystal]

That was me this morning.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So I started to just rest more, regulate my nervous system more. And that has been helping me.

[Crystal]

I mean, I see it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Thank you.

[Jordan Coleman]

You look good.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's a message to all my sisters. You know, we don't have to take on the world. Let's delegate responsibilities if you can, or release some responsibilities if you can. I understand the privilege that we have. So I would never tell anybody to, you go hire an assistant or whatever. Whatever. But I posted a video where I felt like I look damn good, and if I post it, I like it. Okay.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So it don't matter if you like it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And under the comments, it was like, this is a filter. This is not real. You're way too skinny. This. This. This is it.

[Jordan Coleman]

The one in the black dress.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, it was like green. It's like a dark green.

[Jordan Coleman]

In the mirror. It's like a mirror. Yes, Yes, I remember that.

[K.J. Smith Black]

You know, my work.

[Jordan Coleman]

I saw the comments.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It was crazy. They went. They went awol. And so what happens is a pylon happens. So one person will write a comment, and then there is a pylon. Then everyone goes under. That person writes the same comment, and they write the same comment or get worse. And so I have to nip it in the bud by saying, hey, this is my body. I chose to put this up because I felt confident. It doesn't matter how you feel about my body. And also, you don't get to talk about my body. Just like I don't get to talk about your body. I would never do that. I would never go to your page and say, what a crazy thing to do. What you have on or what? I don't. I would never do that to you. And if I do, I'm gassing you up.

[Crystal]

I am.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Baby, you wearing that? You looking good. You look fire. Oh, my gosh. Beautiful. Premium. You know? So for me, I'm like, I don't. I'm not gonna allow you to do to me what I would never do to you.

[Crystal]

Right.

[K.J. Smith Black]

So I was. I kept it cute. I just informed them not to do it again.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And. And how this is not acceptable. And you should. You should not do this to any other woman. Right.

[Jordan Coleman]

It's just flat out wrong and mean and not progressive at all. Like, what Is this helping? It's. I. I can't wrap my head around why people do it, but it's. People just get too comfortable.

[Crystal]

Yeah.

[Jordan Coleman]

And when they see one comment, like you said, and it just keeps going. And it keeps going. Hurt people. Hurt people. Which is why I always say, don't Take it personal. But at the end of the day, we're human. And when you just keep seeing a negative comment after a negative comment, you almost don't see the positive comments sometimes because the negative comments are meant to stink. That's why they're doing it. And so it's hard to keep seeing them. So I understand why you are letting them know that. It's. I just wish they would stop.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, well, now it's getting to the point where, you know, they know. They know I'm gonna come for them if they come for y'. All. They know. They're like, kj, don't play that. Don't put that.

[Crystal]

Stop.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah, don't do that. Kj, gonna get you. You know? And they know because we're a supportive group. We have great energy. We have great synergy. We love each other. I don't want any shred of doubt or insecurity to seep in any of our cast, crew, director, writer's head.

[Jordan Coleman]

We should be able to post a cast photo without just being torn apart for how we just look for who we are.

[Crystal]

Seriously, for who we are.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's insane.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm like, what do you want us to post? What is okay with you at 123bad girl? Like, you know what I mean? Like, what would you like? Because it seems like I can't do anything right. You know, that's what it feels like. And I'm like, I like to be an open book, and I like to be my authentic self, and it doesn't matter. Sometimes you just get kind of torn apart. But William shall persevere.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

By hitting the plug button.

[Crystal]

No, seriously, thank you guys for both opening up about that, because I know it's something we all deal with, struggle with. I'm sure other women watching deal with the same thing. But thank you for being open, because I know you're a newcomer into this world, and we've seen it, and I've definitely been blocking. Blocking people left and right, because we. We're not doing that.

[K.J. Smith Black]

We're not doing it. It's 2026. It's. It's really. And. But also, I feel like whatever energy you put out into the world, you're gonna get back, you know? And we should be putting out good energy because it's enough going on. Let's all keep it cute and happy. Social media is. Should be a happy place. It should be a social.

[Jordan Coleman]

Puppies tick tock dances.

[Crystal]

Yes. I got one for y'. All.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Good.

[Jordan Coleman]

You have a tik tok dance for us.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I've been wanting to do this for a long time.

[Jordan Coleman]

That's the only one I know. I don't ever see that. You know, they go like I want

[K.J. Smith Black]

to do the uptown, downtown, Uptown.

[Crystal]

Oh, you got to teach me that one. I don't know it. I don't know it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I just like watching it.

[Crystal]

It's funny.

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[K.J. Smith Black]

Wasn't that delicious?

[Crystal]

So good.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Your bill, ladies.

[Jordan Coleman]

I got it. No, I got it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Seriously, I insist. I insisted first. Oh, don't be silly.

[Crystal]

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[Jordan Coleman]

Okay.

[Crystal]

Rock, paper, scissors for it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. No, the Wells Fargo ActiveCash credit card.

[Jordan Coleman]

Visit Wells Fargo.comActiveCash terms apply.

[Crystal]

Well, in closing, I want to ask you both. The podcast is called Keep it Positive, sweetie.

[Jordan Coleman]

Right?

[Crystal]

But I want to know, in this season of your life, how are you both keeping it positive?

[Jordan Coleman]

How am I keeping it positive? Honestly, I think boundaries have allowed me to keep things positive. Saying no to certain things, saying yes to certain things. That allows me to show up happier. I'm not spreading myself thin and like, actually choosing what is going to benefit me. It goes back to the being able to pour from a cup that's full. Yes, I become my most toxic and negative self when I just feel like I'm too. I'm spread thin and I'm telling everyone, yes, yes, I can do this for you. Yes, I can do this for you. And then I'm like, I haven't done anything for myself and I'm not going to be the best person to be like, oh, she's a little off today. She's a little negative. I'm like, yeah, because I haven't worked out yet or I haven't journaled So I think the boundaries, definitely.

[Crystal]

That's good. What about you, kj?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Mine is definitely asking for help. I love it. It's my favorite. I just. I love it. And I just discovered it. I discovered it when I was pregnant last year and just always needing help. I just always needed help. And so when I had the baby, I was like, oh, I still need help. And now that I'm kind of still in my groove, I'm like, but I still need help. Yes. And that's okay.

[Crystal]

That's okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And so, you know, I said earlier to my assistant this morning, he was like. So he was giving me pointers and everything. You know, this is what's going on. I said, you know what? I don't. I don't have the capacity for that. I said, can you go talk to my husband? I just don't have it. Could you. Could.

[Crystal]

Can you talk to him about that? Come on.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Can you take that up with him? I just don't have the capacity there.

[Crystal]

We all be able to say, I don't have the capacity to be for the day. Go talk to my husband.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm just a. I'm just a pretty lady. Yes.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm just a. I'm just a girl.

[K.J. Smith Black]

A girl. Oh, why are you asking for me so many questions?

[Crystal]

Please bore someone else with your questions.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Questions. Did Dem get demonicier on the phone?

[Jordan Coleman]

Right.

[Crystal]

First of all, I cannot wait.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I cannot wait for two.

[Crystal]

Right? What devil is rob.

[Jordan Coleman]

Wait a minute. Oh, yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

How did you.

[Jordan Coleman]

I love it.

[Crystal]

Okay.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, good, good, good.

[Jordan Coleman]

What do you think I was going to say?

[Crystal]

No. Is she our sister?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Are you us at all?

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm here.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And Emily.

[Jordan Coleman]

I'm here. Maybe I can't quote as much.

[Crystal]

That is all that.

[Jordan Coleman]

That is all that is song.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, no.

[Jordan Coleman]

All right. Don't look at me like that.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I'm acting.

[Crystal]

Don't worry, darling.

[K.J. Smith Black]

She's like, what is happening? Great. Oh, no.

[Jordan Coleman]

Right.

[Crystal]

Okay, so tell our audience if there's anything you have. Have coming up that we can support. You know, the Sweeties love to support.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Oh, they do?

[Crystal]

Yes. Kj, do you have anything coming up that we can, like, get behind? They already behind it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

I love the Sweeties. They're my girl.

[Crystal]

They love you.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Let me. Let me look in the camera. Is this my camera? I love y' all Sweeties. Y'. All. Y' all are amazing. I. I just. I just love y', all, and I love how much you love my girl. You know, I. I mean, you can. I'm on all the socials. I. I Kind of keep it low key. But we do have a coffee business, my husband and I.

[Crystal]

Yes.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Business. So, you know, we can definitely. We love the support there.

[Crystal]

Is it online on. Is it your IG and everything?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Okay. Everything.

[Crystal]

Make sure you shop it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yes.

[Crystal]

It's called.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's a black.

[Crystal]

I knew it was black, so I don't want to say wrong.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Black period Coffee, period. It's on shop red bag right now. Shopredbag.com which is a platform for black creators with black merchandise.

[Crystal]

Amazing.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And products. So that's something amazing. But, yeah, right now I'm keeping all the other endeavors kind of close to my chest. Smart. Yeah.

[Crystal]

I love that. We will definitely get our coffee. I don't drink coffee, but make sure you get your coffee if you're a coffee drinker. My dad loves coffee, so I'll get him some for when he comes to visit my house.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah, I gotta get into.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Tell me more about it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Branching ceremonial. Did you do matcha?

[Crystal]

Yeah, I love matcha.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Yeah.

[Crystal]

Matcha and cordes. What about you?

[K.J. Smith Black]

I like matcha.

[Jordan Coleman]

Okay, that's fine. And I'll drink matcha, Right?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Is this the matcha that we drink?

[Jordan Coleman]

You're like, where's the coffee? Where is the coffee?

[K.J. Smith Black]

Is this the matcha that we drink?

[Jordan Coleman]

I like matcha, but coffee is definitely my speed. I'll have four.

[K.J. Smith Black]

No, literally, we went to breakfast yesterday. She's like, can I get some more and some more? No, you're not done pouring.

[Jordan Coleman]

Because I'll get, like, a latte. And then if I'm, like, halfway done, I like, have them, like, just fill it up with black coffee.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's my type of girl.

[Crystal]

Okay. I guess y' all are sisters.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yeah, But I do like matcha.

[Crystal]

Okay, there we go. Balance. What about you, George? Anything we can support you.

[Jordan Coleman]

Hi, guys. Thanks for allowing me to come in. I actually just finally produced my own short film. It's a action film.

[Crystal]

Yes, you told us about it.

[Jordan Coleman]

Yes. And it's not out yet. We're still literally filming, like, this title sequence. We wanted to make it small just for, like, casting directors. I'm trying to become an action star.

[K.J. Smith Black]

That's right.

[Jordan Coleman]

And then I'm like, this looks really good. Like the cameras, we're using the lenses. Let's make it into something bigger, better. So I can't wait to drop it because hopefully we're going to maybe turn it into something else. Something bigger. We'll see. But yeah, when I drop that, just, just, Just support.

[Crystal]

Support.

[Jordan Coleman]

The more people that can share it. Get more people's eyes on it. I'm trying to be the next Kill Bill out here.

[Crystal]

So, yeah, speaking. We'll definitely support that. Ladies, thank you both. I have enjoyed this time.

[Jordan Coleman]

It really just feels like I forgot the mics were here sometimes because this is how we talk.

[Crystal]

This is how we talk. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it.

[K.J. Smith Black]

Thank you.

[Crystal]

I love you. I love y'. All. This is amazing. Two women standing in completely different seasons. One expanding legacy and stepping into motherhood. And the other embracing new beginnings and finding her voice, yet both moving with grace, purpose and authenticity. Watching the dynamic between you reminds us that this sisterhood isn't about being in the same place at the same time. It's about holding space for each other as we grow, evolve, and step into who we're becoming. Your honesty, your presence, and your positivity truly reflects what this space is all about. Thank you both for showing us what it looks like to lead with heart, to stay grounded through change, and to keep choosing positivity even while you're still becoming KJ and Jordan. I am so grateful for this conversation and thank you for tuning in to this special episode of the Keep It Positive Sweetie show. We are celebrating 10 seasons of Tyler Perry's success. And Kips, be sure to catch new episodes of Sisters every Wednesday on BET at 9, 8 Central. And also be sure to subscribe share this episode with someone who needs it. And if you need advice, positivity, or a question with something you're going through, please email us@keepitpositive outcomes gmail.com as always, stay blessed, stay encouraged. And in the meantime, in between time, keep it positive, sweetie. I'll see you guys guys next time. This is Angela Yee from Angela Yee's Lip Service. One in four people in the US has been to a Planned Parenthood health center for life saving, life changing care. We're talking about birth control, annual exams, cancer screenings, sti testing and treatment and more high quality, expert judgment free care. And despite lawmakers efforts to shut them down, they're not going anywhere. Care continues at Planned Parenthood so that you can get the unbiased, high quality health care that you need. To learn more, visit amp4pp.org yes, it's me again.

[Jordan Coleman]

We prepped.

[Crystal]

Is the time for empowerment.

[K.J. Smith Black]

And I've got a message for you. Guess who, guess who's back.

[Crystal]

You gotta think about sexual health no matter what. Where, where with who. Yeah, yeah. To all you lovers out there, ain't no judgment. This is a cue.

[K.J. Smith Black]

It's time to talk about pre special

[Crystal]

prophylaxis, a part of HIV prevention. Talk to a health care provider and

[Jordan Coleman]

visit carefortheculture.com to learn more.

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[Crystal]

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[K.J. Smith Black]

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[Crystal]

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