Do It Anyway w/Tasha Cobbs Leonard

Summary

Keep It Positive, Sweetie

Episode: "Do It Anyway w/Tasha Cobbs Leonard"

Host: Crystal Renee Hayslett
Guest: Tasha Cobbs Leonard
Air Date: February 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt episode spotlights Grammy-winning gospel artist Tasha Cobbs Leonard, whose music and ministry have uplifted millions. Host Crystal Renee Hayslett and Tasha dive deep into themes of faith, loss, perseverance, healing, and authenticity. The conversation is raw and transparent, covering personal battles with grief, infertility, mental health, spiritual obedience, blending families, and breaking barriers in gospel music. Throughout, Tasha shares lessons behind her new devotional, Do It Anyway, and reveals the faith and grit required to “do it anyway”—even in life’s most devastating seasons.

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1. Key Topics and Discussion Points

The Spirituality Behind “The Big Chop”

[02:05 – 03:45]

• Tasha’s decision to cut her hair was initially about health, but the result was unexpectedly spiritual:
  • “After cutting it, I felt exposed, but in a good way… Like I’ve been hiding for years behind my hair. Now I’m just, like, this is me. Take it or leave it.” (Tasha Cobbs Leonard, 02:58)
  • Crystal notes how hair can serve as a shield, and how shedding it reveals true beauty.

Inspiration for the Devotional “Do It Anyway”

[04:06 – 09:00]

• The devotional stems from lessons Tasha learned around the time of her first Grammy win and the loss of her father:
  • Tasha recounts her father’s encouragement to “go anyway” to award shows, even when he couldn’t attend. His last lesson—persisting through heartbreak—became her mantra.
  • Notable moment: “Sometimes your heart will be broken and you don’t understand the season you’re in, but I want you to dig deep within yourself and do it anyway.” (Tasha Cobbs Leonard, 00:03 and 07:43)
  • Seven days after his passing, Tasha won her first Grammy. She honored her dad on stage, leading the entire Academy to stand and applaud his memory.

Founding a Church Amidst a Pandemic

[09:23 – 14:38]

• Tasha and her husband launched a church, unknowingly at the outset of COVID-19:
  • The community began as a virtual space for two years and now includes people from across the country.
  • Tasha emphasizes the calling’s focus: “Not just to sing pretty songs… but a place where people are changed or transformed.” (12:11)
  • The church’s vision: to restore hope, foster community, and be a place for growth and purpose.

Navigating Submission & Partnership in Marriage

[15:58 – 17:12]

• Crystal asks about navigating submission in marriage, especially as both partners are called to ministry.
• Tasha responds with trust: “I trust the God in my husband… when he says ‘God said,’ I believe and submit wholeheartedly.” (16:23)

Fertility, Faith, and Adoption

[17:12 – 23:17]

• Tasha opens up about her journey with IVF, miscarriage, and grief:
  • “We can sing and preach about the God of peace, but when you have to walk it out, that’s when it’s the true test.” (19:38)
  • God revealed to her: “You heard my will, but not my way… You tried to fulfill God’s will, your way, and that never works.” (19:45)
  • Ultimately, the adoption process became a testament to God’s unique plan for each journey.

Blending Families & Co-Parenting with Grace

[24:51 – 29:13]

• Tasha discusses challenges and growth as a stepmom and parent in a blended family.
• She shares a transformative story of mutual respect and love with her husband’s ex:
  • “I love you because I saw the way you loved my children.” (Tasha recounting a heartfelt conversation, 25:00)
• The importance of denying self for children’s peace and growth.

Mental Health, Therapy, and Self-Care

[29:13 – 34:13]

• Tasha is open about her mental health journey and advocates therapy:
  • “All of us need a therapist… even if it’s in seasons.” (29:58)
• She draws parallels with the biblical Mary and Martha—urging listeners to sometimes step back from work and be present.
• Rest is trust becomes a key theme (see quotes below).

The Challenge and Blessing of Gospel/Hip Hop Collaborations

[36:13 – 39:59]

• Tasha discusses working with artists like Nicki Minaj—despite backlash:
  • “Who am I to say… ‘You can’t put your relationship with God on display’… If God says yes, then I’m gonna go with what He says.” (38:21)
  • Years later, critics have come to her with understanding and apologies.
• Crystal and Tasha both affirm standing firm in their callings, regardless of outside judgment.

The Burden and Blessing of Ministry

[42:40 – 44:54]

• Ministry comes with immense responsibility—“carrying a cross”—but also sacred honor.
  • “We love to talk about the cross that Jesus carried, but now we live in a generation of crossless Christians who don’t want to carry a cross.” (Sy Younger via Tasha, 42:57)
  • Tasha celebrates representation outside traditional church spaces.

Upcoming Projects

[46:42 – 48:27]

• Tasha is on the Good News tour with Maverick City, Todd, Naomi, Chandler, and Tim Godfrey.
• Her devotional Do It Anyway is out, blending memoir and encouragement: “It’s a 60-day book… I put my life in that.” (48:41)
• Crystal enthusiastically plans to make it part of her daily routine.

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2. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Grief & Perseverance

  • “Seven days ago, the greatest man who ever walked the face of this earth went to be with Jesus. I would love for you guys to honor my father.” (Tasha Cobbs Leonard, 00:03, 07:47)

• On Authenticity

  • “I feel exposed, but it’s in a great way. Like, you see me? Like I’ve been hiding all these years behind the hair… Now I’m in this space where, hey, this is me. Take it or leave it.” (Tasha, 02:58)

• On God’s Will vs. God’s Way

  • “Tasha, you heard my will, but you didn’t stick around to hear my way. You tried to fulfill God’s will, your way, and that never works.” (Tasha, 19:45)

• Faith in the Midst of Delay

  • “You can hear the prophecy… we love that, but the process of it is the part that’s grueling.” (Tasha, 20:20)

• On Submission in Marriage

  • “I trust the God in my husband. Like, if he says God says something… I’m submitted to it wholeheartedly.” (16:23)

• On Mental Health and Presence

  • “All of us need a space where we can release tensions… Am I going to be the one who’s always working, never taking care of myself?” (Tasha, 29:58, 32:07)

• Rest is Trust

  • “Rest is trust… God will allow you to do more with six days than the average person can do with seven.” (Tasha, 35:18, 36:09)

• On Backlash and Obedience

  • “Who am I to say that she can’t put her relationship with God on display? If God says yes, then I’m gonna go with what he says.” (38:21)
  • “I’ve learned that blocking is a ministry, baby. Before I respond, I’m gonna give you grace and just block you.” (Tasha, 40:39)

• On Carrying the Cross of Ministry

  • “We live in a generation now of crossless Christians, where we don’t want to carry our cross. The cost is heavy.” (42:57)

• On Purpose and Representation

  • “If he could carry his cross and die for us, certainly I can carry the weight of my little cross.” (44:54)

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3. Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:03 | Tasha’s story of Grammy win & father's death | | 02:05–03:45 | Spiritual journey of cutting her hair (“the big chop”) | | 04:06–09:00 | Story behind “Do It Anyway”—persevering through grief | | 09:23–14:38 | Founding a church virtually during the pandemic | | 15:58–17:12 | Submission, trust, and partnership in marriage | | 17:12–23:17 | Fertility struggles, IVF loss, learning God’s will and way | | 24:51–29:13 | Blended family, co-parenting, and mutual respect with stepchildren’s mom | | 29:13–34:13 | Candid talk on mental health, therapy, staying present, “rest is trust” | | 36:13–39:59 | Collaborations with secular artists (Nicki Minaj), obedience vs. backlash | | 42:40–44:54 | The burden and blessing of ministry, carrying your cross | | 46:42–48:27 | Upcoming tour, devotional book, final encouragements |

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4. Final Takeaway

Crystal’s Gem of the Day:
“If I had one takeaway, it would be that rest is trust, guys. Sometimes I just need to be still.” (49:05)

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5. Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, faith-filled, sometimes humorous, and always encouraging. Both Tasha and Crystal are unapologetically honest about pain, growth, faith, and pressing forward in purpose—no matter the circumstance or criticism. Throughout, both women invite listeners to dig deep, rest, and trust their own unique journey.

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For more information, follow Crystal at @lovecrystalrenee and the podcast @keepitpositivesweetie.

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This summary captures the episode’s heartfelt wisdom, memorable teaching moments, and inspirational tone—useful for anyone seeking encouragement, faith, and practical advice for life’s hardest seasons.

Transcript

[A]

Coming up on Keep It Positive, sweetie.

[B]

Sometimes your heart will be broken and you don't understand the season that you're in, but I want you to dig deep within yourself and do it anyway. And so I got up seven days after my dad went to be with the Lord and I won my first Grammy. Sitting there, they called my name, and I was like, there is no way these people are calling my name. So I got up, and the first thing I said is, seven days ago, the greatest man who ever walked the face of this earth went to be with Jesus. And I would love for you guys to honor my father. And so the entire academy stood up and gave my dad a round of applause.

[A]

Hi, I'm Krystal Renee Hayslett, and this is Keep it Positive, sweetie. A safe space to heal, laugh, grow, and love. I can't wait to bring today's guest to the couch. Her musical ministry has definitely brought me through. I'm talking about the goddess of gospel, Tasha Cobbs Leonard. With a voice that carries the essence of praise and worship, a musical ministry that has blessed millions around the world, Tasha Cobbs Leonard is one of gospel's most grounded torchbearers. In recent years, she's traveled the world carrying her gift of song and surrender with her. These days, she's on and off tour stages, managing a ministry with her husband, mothering her children, and enjoying the release of her new devotional, do it Anyway. And in the midst of all that, guys, we got her on the couch to talk to me. Tasha, thank you so much for coming. Seriously. No, girl, first of all, you came in here, you got the curls popping. We both got the curls popping. What made you even decide to cut it off? Cause we talked about the big chop. That's such a. It can be a spiritual journey when you chop your hair off or emotional.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What made you chop your hair off? I love it, and I love that.

[B]

You mentioned that, because I don't think my expectation was for it to be so spiritual. Originally, I was like, hey, I'm gonna cut it, because a lot of people don't know I don't do wigs. So I had sew ins all years. And so it was just pulling, pulling, pulling, damaging my hair. And then when I don't have the sew ins, you're doing braids. It's the same thing. It's kind of. I know we call it protective styles, but it's not so protective, you know? So it was just kind of pulling my hair, and I noticed that it was just damaged. So I told My stylist, I said, after this. So I did the big curls for woman evolve.

[A]

So beautiful. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Stunning. Yeah, I loved it.

[B]

After this, I'm gonna chop it. And she was like, all right, let's go for it. Because I wanted it to be healthy. So that was really the original thought behind it. But after cutting it, I was just telling some of my friends, like, I feel. Feel exposed, but it's in a great way. Like, you see me?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, almost like I've been hiding. I was talking to Priscilla Shire called me, and she was like, girl, your hair is amazing. I was like, you know, just pray for me. I'm in this place where I feel like something is being revealed. And it may not be for everybody, but I feel like, you know, all the years of hiding behind the hair, hiding behind this and that. Now I'm in this space where, hey, this is me. Take it or leave it. So that's it. It's been a really good spot. Spiritual journey.

[A]

Yes. I love that.

[B]

And my husband lazy.

[A]

So that's all that matters. That's all that matters. I love that. But I love how I can see your beautiful face. And I asked you, I was like, how many compliments have you got? Any? Like, yes. Because a lot of times we don't realize how we hide. We do. Not intentionally, but we hide behind our hair. And we don't realize when we reveal all that, it's like, wow, people really can see your true beauty.

[B]

And I can see me see. Yeah.

[A]

That's powerful. That's powerful. I love it. Do you have any products that you like to use?

[B]

You know what? I've tried a few and I like that. It's different things for different people.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so for me, it's been right now the Soft Curls by Miss Jessie Shout out, but it's been working really good.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Curls pop a bit.

[A]

I know that's right. I'm here for it. I'm here for it now. You recently just dropped a new devotional called Do It Anyway, and I feel like that is a time testament of just who you are. There's things that you've done that the Christian or gospel world may look at, like, but you do it anyway, and it works.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what actually inspire your devotional?

[B]

So the devotional is actually the second portion, I'll say, of off of the main book. So the main book is called Doing Anyway, and the story behind that is when I released my album Grace. So that's the album that has Break every chain. Confidence, happy, you know, smile. All those songs are on there. That album was nominated for seven awards that year. So it was Stellar Awards, Dove Awards, and two Grammys.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And literally a freshman artist is my first album with a label. And my dad was a down home. I'm from Jessup, Georgia, so country pastor, and he didn't leave our church for anything. So literally we would do vacations from Sunday evening to Saturday morning because we back on Sundays.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so all of the award shows literally are on weekends. So Saturdays, Sundays. And I'm thinking, oh, my goodness, Daddy is not leaving Justice. But they weren't that kind of parent. They were very, very supportive. So my dad was like, hey, Daddy is going to be with you in Nashville. I'm coming to Nashville, but Daddy's not going to be in la, but I want you to go anyway. He just kept saying, daddy's to not going gonna be in la. I want you to go anyway. And I was like, nobody expects you to go to Nashville, Louisiana. You're not leaving Jessup. So I'm just excited that you're coming anywhere. And so the Stella Awards happened in Nashville. And I had 60 seconds to sing Break Every Chain. So. 60 seconds? 60 seconds. It felt like two minutes, but it was 60 seconds.

[A]

So I was like, I'm gonna give.

[B]

It all I got in these 60 seconds. And to look out and see my parents in the audience. Cause they had like the stage. Stage in the middle of the space. And so I could see everybody's faces. My dad, he's beaming with pride. And so that night, I won three Stella Awards. And we were hanging out in my. My mentor's hotel room. We're just hanging out, celebrating what happened that night. William Murphy. And he was like, call dad and see if they want to come hang out. It was about two or three o'clock in the morning. So I was like, guys, we got Daddy to Nashville. He's not coming to your room at three o' clock in the morning. So I text him, like, dad, hey, we just hanging out a. He immediately responded. It was like, me and your mom, we're on the way. I was like, are you okay? So they came, and my dad was two things. He was a man of very few words, but if he spoke, it was either profound or he was gonna have you in the floor screaming, laughing. And so that night, he pulled out his greatest comedy show.

[A]

I mean, he had us in the.

[B]

Floor just crying, laughing. And I remember they were leaving at about 4 o' clock that morning. He was Getting on the elevator. And I said, hey, dad. He had three awards in his hand. Cause I told him I would give him those awards. That's a long story. We'll have to revisit those. Because I did an independent project, and I talked him into being the executive producer.

[A]

Really?

[B]

And he was like, oh, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Until he figured out what it was.

[A]

He was like, wait a minute.

[B]

I had to pay for all of this. So he would always say, when Daddy gonna get his money back? When the executive producer get paid. He would always say that. And so I told him, I said, this is what I'll do. If I win any awards, you can have them all. And so he took that thing to heart.

[A]

I'm taking these awards.

[B]

Yeah. He built a curio for all of the awards that he felt like I would win. And so that night, he was getting on the elevator, he had the awards in his hands. I was like, dang, take out one. I want to take a picture. And so he took out one of my Stellar Awards. I snapped a photo. And that would be the last time I saw my dad on the Earth. Yes. The next morning, they got in the car, he had a heart attack in the car and went to be with Jesus. And so, of course, it was devastating. You know, I'm like, this is unexpected. And I could always hear his voice ringing in my ears. So the Grammys would be seven days later, and I could hear him saying, daddy's not gonna be with you in la, but I want you to go anyway. I want you to go anyway. And so now I realize that he was leaving with me the last lesson that he would leave. That sometimes your heart will be broken and you don't understand the season that you're in, but I want you to dig deep within yourself and do it anyway. And so I got up seven days after my dad went to be with the Lord and I won my first Grammy. Sitting there, they called my name, and I was like, there is no way these people are calling my name. So I got up, and the first thing I said is, seven days ago, the greatest man who ever walked the face of this earth went to be with Jesus. And I would love for you guys to honor my father. And so the entire academy stood up and gave my dad a round of applause. So that lesson, I felt like I need to give this to as many people as I can. So if I got to do it in a form of a book or a devotional or a song, I want people to know that what. What you. Whatever you need, it's within you. You just got to dig deep and do that thing. Anyway.

[A]

O girl, you. My eyes wet. I'm like, oh, my gosh, Tasha, thank you for sure. That's an incredible story. Wow.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And I. I know a lot of people wouldn't have been able to get up seven days later after losing a parent.

[B]

It was tough. It was tough. Everything about it is still foggy right now, you know, cuz you're smooth smothered in grief. At that time, it was unexpected. But I knew one thing, that daddy wanted me to be there.

[A]

He did. Yes. Oh, that is beautiful. You are all over the place. You're doing music, you're touring. You just started your own church. That's so incredible. The purpose. The purpose Play Purpose plays oh, my goodness. What started that and what inspired that? Because I know a lot of my Christian friends say that they have such a hard time finding a single safe church home. I have friends that live in LA that are like ministers and people that really are seeking that. They're like, we just cannot find a place. Wow. So what made you say I want. Because I've known you to do lead praise and worship at different places and you. Actually, I used to go to Free Chapel. And what's the church here meant? I just drew a blank. Louie Giglio.

[B]

Passion.

[A]

Passion. I love that live album that you did there. But so you've gone to all these different churches. What made you say, honey, we need to start our own church? What was that?

[B]

I didn't.

[A]

She said, that was not me.

[B]

So my dad was. I've been walking with pastors my entire life. My dad was a pastor. My husband tricked me. I tell everybody my husband tricked me because while we were dating, I asked him, are you a pastor? And he said adamantly, no. So I was like, are we good? I don't want nothing to do with this. And so we about two years into.

[A]

Our marriage, and here he comes sitting.

[B]

Up in the middle of the night, crying. And I feel the call of God.

[A]

God did not say that, dog. You told me.

[B]

We got to stick with the program.

[A]

I like the program we're on right now. So, yeah, he had.

[B]

He had this calling and I think it was obvious you know, the entire time because both of us just have a heart for Kingdom ministry and for people to on focus, fulfill purpose in the earth. So. And it's what we've done, even with our team members, we push people. I don't want you here working for me forever. I want you to do what God Calls you to do this, to start a business, whatever it is. I want this to be a ground where it's like you're educating yourself, you're getting what you need so you can do what God has called you to do. And so I think it's just always been in the both of us because he's the same way. So my husband's actually the senior pastor and I'm just, you know, I'm just there. I'm a co pastor.

[A]

Yeah, buddy.

[B]

But we were about two or three years in of me front and he was like, you know, God has called me Tasha, and I know that you also have that calling on you. So first of all, you need to stop being rebellious. But I felt like, you know, what does God need with another church? So we have to be very, very sure about the vision because it's just not a place where I want us to come sing some pretty songs. People have, you know, experience, give you chills and all that kind of stuff. But. But you leave and you're not changed or transformed, you know, and so that was. We went to work just praying. And at the time, we were actually serving as worship pastors at a church in Greenville. Relentless Church with John and aventurine.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

And during that time, we had conversations even with them, like, hey, we feel this calling on our lives, but where we're serving at right now, we feel like it's a great place for us to get training together because both of us had done ministry separate, but we never together our marriage. And so that gave us an opportunity to work together, plan together, grow together. And so we were there for two years. And then after that, you know, we just felt like, hey, it's time. And this is the interesting part where God always throws these monkey wrenches.

[A]

You look like you got it.

[B]

And he's like, no, here's a little twist. And so we were planning to do like this pop up, like, okay, we're gonna do a pop up in Spartanburg, South Carolina. We had never even really been to the the city. We just KNEW it was 45 minutes outside of Greenville. And it's just where my husband's heart was. Like, hey, it's the city. It's Spartanburg. Well, I feel like we're called to. And so we were gonna do like this pop up service, see if people show up. And I mean, as soon as we were about to do it, the pandemic hit.

[A]

No.

[B]

And we were gonna do it in June and pandemic hit in March. Right. And we were Sitting at the house. Like, everybody thought at the time it was gonna be two weeks. So it was like, two weeks gonna.

[A]

Be gone, everybody be healed.

[B]

And it wasn't. And so, so a month, about three weeks later, I was downstairs, my husband was upstairs. Both of us came together and was like, hey, I feel like we need to do Bible studies right now. I feel like God is saying. He was like, God told me that too. I was like, oh, okay. So we're two church kids and we have a plan. We know how to do this. You build, you start a Bible study, you do pop ups. You know, we had a plan, but God was like, no, we want you to do this in the. In the pandemic. So how do you start a church in a pandemic? We started in April, was a month after the pandemic started. So for two years, our church was virtual. We had never experienced in person church whatsoever. So even now, to this day, like, the mother of our church, she lives in Chicago. We have people that drive in from Atlanta, driving from Savannah, because they connected to us in the middle of a pandemic. And right now, they love their church so much that they're willing to get in their cars, to get on planes, to fly in. So I think that that's what makes our church so interesting. That in the middle of this, this moment that feels like chaos, God brought this group of people together and he's like, we're gonna build a community of people who will restore hope to the community. So that's our vision.

[A]

I love that. I love that. It's funny because I just did a podcast with B. Simone, and I don't know, I guess since I started dressing more ladylike, everyone's like, every time I come to church, they're like. Cause I would wear like, her first lady. Literally, I'm like, first lady. I'm like, I am not gonna be a first lady. Like, don't ever say that.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

So funny. Like when you just started dressing so lady, like, all of a sudden. And I was like, you know, I just got older and I was like, let me switch it up, cuz, like, But I'm still a tomboy at heart. Like, I told you, I love my sweats hoodies. I'm like, pull over hoodie any day, even if it's 90 degrees outside. Yeah, I wear a hoodie. Like, I just love hoodies. But she said that, and I was like. I was like, no. So when you said, you asking that.

[B]

Question, like, wait, I identify.

[A]

Yeah, because that's no.

[B]

It's a beautiful experience though, just to watch people grow. There are some that started with us four years ago, and now I look at them and where they are and how they've grown as a person, it's just like, wow, this is to see the transformation is what keeps us going.

[A]

Like, if we were there and we.

[B]

Show up and everybody steal a bunch of quaizos, I'd be like, now we ain't called it this because nobody ain't growing up, but to see every week that different people are just growing and, and fulfilling purpose, that's what keeps us going.

[A]

I love that. Now, when your husband told you, I feel like God has called me to do this, was there any moment where you felt like, okay, I need to submit to this, cuz we talk about submission when it comes to marriages. But even though you were having a little hesitance and reluctancy, was there any, any moment, like, you know what? Okay, God, let me just submit to this. If this is what his vision is, how does, how do you navigate submission in your marriage?

[B]

Yeah, I trust the God in my husband. Like, if he says God says something, no matter how I feel like I'm submitted to it wholeheartedly, there's not been a time where I've said, okay, God, I trust what you said to him, that it's let me down, you know, And I know he's human and he's flawed and all of that, but I believe that he's assigned to lead our family. So when I said yes to him, I said said yes to everything that God instructs him for us. You know, that's. That's my dude.

[A]

That's my baby.

[B]

Hey, even if we going down, I'm gonna go down with you. But I felt like, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like, if, you know, God said this to him, then he. He's not gonna. Number one. He's not gonna say God said something he didn't say. My husband ain't that kind of guy. He be like, I feel like, I think. But when he says God says, I know wholeheartedly.

[A]

Yeah, I love that. I love that. So you all have a blended family, you recently adopted, and you've been very open about your fertility journey. I recently went to my gynecologist and got all my labs done, blood work, testing and everything. And she said, you know, it's too late to freeze your eggs. And it was like a gut punch. I was like, ah. And I had this friend, and I used to get so frustrated with her because Every time we would talk, it would come up. Have you frozen your eggs? Did you freeze your eggs yet? I'm like, get out of my uterus, girl. Leave me alone. You know? And I've been so. My career took off very late in life, so the time that I should have been.

[B]

It's a beautiful career.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You are such an inspiration.

[A]

Thank you. So I want to be that for people because a lot of times we feel like it's too late to get started or to get going. I hope that I'm a source of inspiration for people who are still searching even later on in their life. It's never too late. That's how I feel. But in this moment, when she told me that, I was like, oh, my gosh. And she said, yeah. She's like, I don't even want you to go through ivf because if they go in and they pull the eggs that you do have, say only two of them are like, good, and what if you lose them? And then she's like, you'd be more. She said, you had your probability. To have a child is better to do it naturally than to go through all that. And I would like to know, because a lot of people leave out. They're like, oh, yeah, I froze my eggs. But they leave out all the wear and tear and how emotional that journey was. Can you talk about that a little bit?

[B]

Yeah, I think. And I don't really. I don't want to over spiritualize everything, but I think everybody's journey is different.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I feel like it's for me. So our experience is that we went through IVF and we talked a little bit before, and it's something. We actually ended up with three embryos, one that was implanted, and we ended up losing that baby. And that was literally one of the hardest things I'd ever gone through. And for me, just super transparent. You know, we can sing about the God of peace, the God of joy, the God of life, we can preach about it. But when you have to walk that thing out and live it out, that's when it's the true test of your faith. And for me, me, I needed that season to show me that there were areas that had been lying dormant of a lack of faith inside of me, because I immediately started questioning God, like, do I believe what I've been singing about? Do I believe what I've been preaching about? Because you didn't come through with what you said.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

You know? And he had to remind me that, Tasha, you heard my Will. But you didn't stick around to hear my way. You did it your way.

[A]

About to run.

[B]

And so he started just showing me through timelines that, hey, I showed you. Yes, you're gonna have a beautiful baby boy. He gonna look just like you, act just like you. But I never once said that it would be the traditional way. You went about trying to feel God, fulfill God's will, your way, and that never works, you know? And so we had to go back now and say, well, what is your way? What was your way? We know your will, and that excites us. You know, sometimes the will excites you. You're gonna have a mansion. You gonna be a millionaire. But the process of it is the part that's grueling, you know?

[A]

And so for me, yes, don't shout, Ash.

[B]

We shout right here, you know, And I believe that so many of us, we hear. You could hear the prophecy even when we're younger people speaking over your life. I remember my mom would say, I see your name in light. You know, we love that process.

[A]

To get to that.

[B]

Or his way.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

His way is not always comfortable, and sometimes it's foggy and you can't see it. And so for us, God's way. I remember my husband came to me probably about five or six months after we lost the baby, and I had gone through just. Oh, it was very challenging. It was a dark space for me. And I literally had to record an album in the middle of that. So I remember going to Nashville three days after we found out we lost the baby. And I was like, I'm not going to no rehearsal if this gonna be. If you want me to do this, you gonna make this happen. So, you know, just, you know, we can get. Sometimes, like, you died, you told me, no, I'm upset. So you. You do your will, your way. I went and I was like, I'm not gonna go to rehearsal. I'm not gonna do anything. But I ended up going to one of the rehearsals, and they were doing a song that's on that album. It says, you're gonna get the glory out of this. It was a song that I wrote before ever really getting into this, losing the baby. It was during the ivf. I know you're gonna get the glory out of this. And they started singing that song, and literally everything I was feeling, the walls came down. It started to break. And my team didn't know what we were going through, but they felt us. So they immediately just started praying for my husband and I. And I remember after going through that recording, if you go back now, the name of the album is Royalty. So going into it, I'm thinking, I'm singing about, we're the royal priesthood, and I'm a king's kid. I'm all excited. Gowns on the photo shoot. And God was like, no, no, no. I'm gonna show you what royalty really is and what it really means to be. To be my child. And so through that season, I had to really live out. There's a song on that album called you never gave up. Like, it felt like the walls were closing. Yeah. I'm writing all of these songs, and before that season, not knowing that these songs were gonna usher me through that season. You know, I'm thinking I'm writing for everybody. Anybody going through depression, anybody going through anxiety. But it was really, really for me. And so when we got back home, my husband was like, baby, what do you think about adoption? And I didn't hear just my husband. I heard him speaking to me. This is God's way.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

You know, and so we went through that process, and it was miraculous. So my answer would be, be, everybody's journey is different.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you can. You know, I could sit here and say, do it my way, or, you know, your friends can say, do it their way, but ultimately, I would say, do it God's way. And you'll know when it's his way, because it feels right. You know, it feels like, man, this is me.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And it's funny you say that, because when you say your. Your test was. Your faith was truly tested. I find myself now being in a position when she told me, it's too late for all that now. It's like, okay, you really got to activate this faith that you in a different position. Because I've had faith in my career. I've had faith in how to. For God to leave relationships and to guide me through life. But this is something totally different, you know? And the flame.

[B]

Have faith for the things you can't see.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, I can see that this relationship ain't right. So I can see. Let me go and get out of this, you know, I can see where my career is going, but I can't see where this baby.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's a different kind of thing.

[A]

It's different. Yeah. So I. I find myself sitting in just quiet spaces, praying and talking to God to, like, just lead me through this. Don't let it, like, take. Because sometimes it can overtake your mind. I know for, like, when I turned 35, everything was just like, going, I'm trying, lightning speed career. And I'm just like. And then you get to, like, 40, and like, how. Wait, I'm here already. And then it's like, oh, yeah, it's too late. And you're like, wait, what? But I know the God I serve.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's never. So I did Letters Whitfield's podcast, Dear Future Wifey, and he'd asked about that, and I said, I feel. I was like, you know, bro, I feel like I'm in a space now where if it's meant to be, God will allow it to happen the way he wants it to happen in his will, not my way. Because I know. I'm like, all right, we gonna figure this thing out. But definitely, Faith is super activated right now. That's awesome. I love it.

[B]

So, Asher.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I gotta talk about my baby. All of them. You know what? So we mentioned the blended family.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And for me, it was such a growing up experience, because you're thinking, I'm gonna go in. And this is the role I play. This is the parent that I am. I'm gonna discipline culinary. This is what I bring to the table. And it was so much different. My children have taught me so much about life, so much about myself. I. I've had to grow up to become the. The mother or stepmom that they need, you know what I'm saying? Just to fill in those gaps and to be able to do it with their mom and with my husband. It's. You know, and it wasn't always that way. You have to grow into that. I will never forget our two youngest before Asher. Their mom called me one day, and she was like, you know, I was just watching this podcast with Jada Pinkett Smith and Will Smith's oldest son's mom, and she was like. She said something that literally just shook me to the core, that I love you the way that I love you, because I saw the way that you love my children. And she told me, she said, tasha, I can't help but. But love you when I see the way that you love my babies. And from that moment, all of the. Anything that was a source of tension, we. We go into it looking like, hey, this is about these kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so we put ourselves to the side, and it has just been such a beautiful experience.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

So My oldest is 21. Okay. 22. Yes, 22. Now she is. She just graduated Fayetteville State. Okay. Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She's working in Charlotte. She got a job and everything. Pockets, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So our middle son, he is at North Carolina A and T, so he's a freshman there now. And we have Symphony, who is our 13 year old. So that's the one to try you.

[A]

That's that age.

[B]

And then we got Asher, who really tries you. Like, it's three year old. Like, what is wrong with these teenagers?

[A]

No, my nephew is three. And I'm like, they're like adults.

[B]

Yeah, but what?

[A]

You're a child. They're like, so grown.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, people warn you about two, but they don't really warn you.

[A]

About three is different. Yeah.

[B]

Because they can talk now and talk back.

[A]

Oh, yeah. What do you want?

[B]

Where's my little baby? I ask him that all the time. Where's my little tiny baby? He's like, I big boy.

[A]

Yep, that's right.

[B]

Yes. Asher is our baby.

[A]

I love y' all's photo shoots that.

[B]

You all did Sunday was Sunday shoots with Asher. We was a time He's a drummer. So Asher plays a drum. And it wasn't forced on him. Like, Asher picked up drumsticks probably at about three months old.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I posted a video the other day of him, like, playing. Playing people was like, oh, this. This used to be like you, but now it's a real play.

[A]

That's incredible. All right. So is he going to be playing for the church?

[B]

You know, we try to I Sunday, cuz he stares at our drummer the entire. I mean, he's locked. So while he was staring at him. Because Asher wants us to carry him so he can see the drums. He can't see what people standing up.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

But he's £50. Like, I can't hold you the whole service. So I stood him up on the stage and I was like, just go over there. He was like, no, not big enough. Like, he knows. He comprehends that I'm just not big enough yet.

[A]

And one day I'm gonna be over there. It's so cute. I love that. That is beautiful. And I love that your husband's ex, like, was able to, like, because a lot of people are not that blessed to have somebody mature enough to say, I love the way you love my children. So I love you for that. And to be able to get along, you know, because it doesn't have to be. People move on, Life goes on. But we can all get along.

[B]

Yeah. And I see the comments.

[A]

Y' all like, this.

[B]

Something like that. And they're like, that's y'.

[A]

All. They'll never be.

[B]

And I think you have to. You have to grow to that place where I will deny myself for the sake of peace for these children.

[A]

Absolutely. You know, and whatever that means.

[B]

Cuz they, you know, she. She trifling. He trifling. It's never going to happen. You know, that part you have to leave into a place of. Of prayer. The growing up, the maturing, the putting the past behind us. But the only person you can really work on is yourself. And you got to find out, where have I been the problem? You know, you got to really be honest with. With yourself, because we got to be honest, y'.

[A]

All. It ain't always everybody. It's not. No, it is not. That is real. That is real. You have been very vocal, even through your music, about depression and mental health. Where do you stand now and how important? Because I know not everybody's talking about it, but you've actually spoken about your. In a lot of times, Christians don't speak about it. So I love that when you sing about the state of depression, you. You on one of Maverick City's albums, you took a moment in the room and you talked about your cousin staying with you and how she loved you. Like, she said, tasha, I can't do this no more. And you felt rejected, but God was like, no, like this. You gotta work on this. What steps did you take to get to where you are now? Cause the Tasha I see now, like.

[B]

You look like you've done the work, you know what? And it's. I am an advocate for therapy. All of us need to get a therapist, you know, and even if it's not every single day or every single week, or even if it's in seasons, there are some seasons where I'm like, okay, I feel myself getting a little heavy. Maybe I'm trying to carry too much. Let me get on the phone. Let me call. Go back. You know, So I feel like all of us need a space where we can release, you know, that the tensions of life, just life in general, to talk these things out. I believe there's a story in scripture that talks about two sisters, Mary and Martha. And Jesus stops by the Bible, says, martha's house. I don't think we often put enough focus on that. Jesus stops by Martha's house, and when he enters the house, Martha goes back to working and cooking and preparing for him. But Mary sits at his feet. Feet. And she worships. I think a lot of times what we find in the Christian arena in the Kingdom is that we can work so much that we fail to take care of Ourselves, mentally. I believe that what Mary was doing was getting a mental break, a space in the presence of God where I'm seeing for myself. I'm seeing about myself instead. Martha was like, a lot of us. No, I got to get this done. I got to get up and preach every week. I got to go to work every day. I got to make sure that I'm encouraging people like you would say, saying, I gotta make sure I'm inspiring everybody who. Who is taking time to take care of you. And I feel like we can compare ourselves sometimes to those two characters in scripture. Am I going to be the one who's work, work, work, work, working and never sitting down to take care of myself and sitting at the feet? Even for some of us that work in church, you ain't got to be the one up singing every Sunday. Yeah, sit down and receive. Yeah, you don't have to be the one up at the door ushering every week. Sit down and receive. Do something where you're filling yourself up again so that you have what it takes to go out and pour more. So I found that space for me. And it wasn't always me. I was the person who was always living in next. Like, I could be. There are times, like, even with that Grammy, I don't really remember it. And then it wasn't so much just grief. It was just because I was a workaholic. Like, I could be like, did y' all answer that email? You know, where are we going next week?

[A]

Okay, next week.

[B]

I was checking on your songs, right?

[A]

Cause after this episode, I was like, what do you love? We gotta get, like, is this. So many things.

[B]

Celebrate the now.

[A]

Yeah, you know, Celebrate the now.

[B]

What you find sometimes in scripture is when they would experience major successes that they would build an altar, they would take a moment and establish something. So that when I'm facing something hard in life in the next five, 10 years, I can look back to 2004 and see what God did. And the same God that did it back then is going to do it again. So stop and build an altar. Celebrate those moments. And one of the things that my therapist would tell me to do, I still do to this day. And she. She told me, make those people who are closest to you, make them. Make you be present. And I was like, how do I do that? And she. She said, so for me, I have arthritis in my toes. I know my sneaker game tight, but it's because, you know, I have arthritis in both of my toes. I used to play basketball. I broke my Toe. Whole long story.

[A]

So I was like, if I got.

[B]

To wear sneakers, I got to be the best at it. So I started studying the culture, all of that. We own a sneaker store, all this kind of.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But it started from me having a broke toe with arthritis. You know, sometimes you got to make lemonade out of the limits.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And so she would say to me, she said, make them ask you questions like, how do your toes feel right now? Do you have a headache right now? They make. They make me be present in the moment. My husband will stop sometimes, and he'll grab my shoulders and he'll say, do you have a headache right now? You know, what does this moment feel like? You were just on Crystal's podcast. How do you feel? You know, so those just minor little things to make me be present. I'm still work. I still work a lot. But I've Now I think I've matured to the place where take care of Tasha first and all of these things. You know, sometimes success can be fleeting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It can be here today. Have you taken care of yourself? Am I. Am I strong enough mentally? Mentally, that if it's gone tomorrow, that it won't break me down, that I won't die in that season?

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So that's just where I am now.

[A]

I love that you just helped me, because I know my team back there, like, thank you for saying that. I know y'.

[B]

All, look, I would be sitting in award show sitting about you. Where we going tomorrow? Seriously?

[A]

Yeah. That is me. I'm always like, I don't know. I think also because I had the example of, like, a Tyler Perry who, like, was there with us grinding. Every time I looked at when I was tired, I saw him behind that monitor. Like, I never felt like I was in it alone as the person who was pushing, you know, the whole thing, and he was driving it. But we were the ones helping, working together. So I think a part is, like, I never want anybody to feel like we doing all this, and she just shows up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? But there is a part of where you gotta, like, let people do what they are, what they do, you know, because you also.

[B]

You're building the culture.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they see you doing it, and they're like, this is how it. This is. I have to be this way in order to be successful.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

My husband says this thing, that rest is trust. Pastor Darius is also our pastor. I don't know if you know that. So Pastor Darius is our pastor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He teaches us that you know, trust God with. With one day out of your seven, because God will allow you to do more with six days than the average person can do with seven.

[A]

That is so true.

[B]

You trust him with your rest. So rest is trust.

[A]

I'm trying to get that Saturday off so I can rest.

[B]

Oh, Saturdays make it your Sabbath.

[A]

I'm trying to get it this week because I'm tired.

[B]

Get you some rest, right?

[A]

No, but thank you for. For that. Seriously. I needed that. Because it is hard to find the moment to just decompress and breathe. Yeah, yeah. It's important. Thank you. I tell everybody to make sure you rest. And I'm like, you ain't resting, girl. Sit down somewhere. Yes.

[B]

Rest is trust.

[A]

It is. I like that. I think that's gonna be my takeaway for this.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

Rest is. I gotta remember that. Rest is trust. You have been an incredible merger between gospel and hip hop. I love the songs. You know, you work with Nicki Minaj, and that was like. Even when I saw. I was like, that's fire. And I love. I was like, I love that she's taking these risks. What made you say, you know what? Like, these are people I want to work with, and I'm gonna do it no matter what, because, you know, you'll get backlash for certain things. But what made you say, I'm gonna do it anyway?

[B]

I'm gonna do it anyway? And I love this conversation. I think it's. It's great because I've been hearing you talk a lot about the season that you're in and how people. The comments about you representing Christ and representing the kingdom. You know, each of us, we are the Bible, talks about walking out your own soul salvation. You know, how is God instructing you to represent him in the earth? And it may not be the way, you know, such and such was called to do it, or those who went before me were called to do it. Like, I love Yolanda. You. Yolanda goes on different platforms that you don't see a lot of gospel artists on, but even her walk is different than mine, you know? And so there are some areas where you have these people where you can. You can say, okay, that person mentors me. My life a little bit looks like theirs. But then there are some doors that God opens for you that's just for you. It's like, hey, I want you to represent me this way. And that's what that has been for me. And you see a lot of different collaborations now. Like, her does a lot of collaborations. Chandler has done Collaborations. But in the season where I. I did this song with Nikki, I'm getting ready on my album, and it just wasn't very, very popular. You know, we had done. I had done a song with Common before, but then you. You go to somebody like Nicki Minaj and people think she represents one thing. You don't really know these people. You know, a lot of times it's. It's. It's. It's career, it's the success. It's sometimes it's just character. Yeah. You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You think we're not judging you based on Zatima?

[A]

We are not. Thank you.

[B]

It's the character that you put on. It's your job. And so I want. I got to know Nikki.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then knowing Nikki, Nikki has relationship with God, and she cares that other people do too. Does it mean that she's with. Without flaw? No, but none of us are. You know what I'm saying? So who am I to say that? She called me and she said, you know, this one, this. I want this album to be the first one where I put my relationship with God on display. And who am I to say, you can't do that?

[A]

Right, Exactly.

[B]

You know, and so after hearing God and praying about it, if God says yes, then I'm gonna go with what he says. And, yeah, we got backlash. The comments were crazy. I sold out, you know, all this kind of stuff.

[A]

It was terrible. Oh, my God.

[B]

You know, but when you hear God say for you to do something, stick to it and do what he says. Because some of those same people now is. Years later, have come back. They're in my DM saying, I judged you when that happened. But now I have a greater understanding.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[B]

Now I see. Yeah. So there are people who have come to me and repented, you know, for what they did or what they said. And even if they don't, you know, I'm sure that this was God's will for me, even the song. So we did another one on her last album and that. Even that moment. So we were in the studio. I went to LA to do that one in the studio with her, and we just had a moment where it was like, hey, we don't want to just leave it up to chance that people understand who we're talking about. So Nikki said to me, I want you to say the name Jesus.

[A]

I know that's right.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people may think this is. No, it's going both ways. And there's A relationship there. And it doesn't matter how people may judge me or what they think about it, because I know for sure that this is something that God has called me to do. So you have to just stand firm on that.

[A]

Yeah. Now in the midst of like the backlash, how did you handle that? Because for me, and you heard me be vocal about it, there's times where I'm like, I ain't about to say nothing else. Like, I'm good. Like, how do you handle it in the middle of. Cuz hindsight, you're like, I said yes to what God told me to do and people had something to say. But like, what do you feel in those moments?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's painful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, a lot of. And we're human. So you can get a million comments that are like, oh, girl, you did it, you killing me. And it's one.

[A]

Yeah. You know, it's like.

[B]

Why can't you just be like everybody over here? You know, I've learned that blocking is a ministry, baby.

[A]

I love the block, baby.

[B]

Before I respond, I'm gonna give you grace and just block you. You know, there have been seasons where I've responded, but even during that time, I may have responded. Like once I think I posted something and then after that I just didn't feel right. Yeah, I felt like, okay, let me just let this breathe and whatever happens, happens. Because I know that ultimately vengeance is the Lord's.

[A]

It is.

[B]

You know, and that it comes, it requires a lot. Like right now, my husband and I have been studying Proverbs, just talking about wisdom. It's crazy, man.

[A]

We did a wild challenge. That's that book of proverbs, the first.

[B]

Three chapters of Proverbs, man. It'll bless you. So right now I think what being able to not respond requires wisdom.

[A]

That's so true.

[B]

It requires you to say, you know, this ain't about me anyway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it's. It's ultimately, maybe the person who's commenting, maybe they don't have a great understanding, maybe they don't have a revelation of what you're called to do.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

And I, I can't, I can't prove this to everybody in the world. You'll be, you'll be commenting all day, you responded out when somebody else gonna come back. And before you know, you're overwhelmed in this space. And it's like, I'm not even gonna take myself there. Ultimately, I know that I'm doing the will of God for my life, and that's all that matters.

[A]

That's all. I love it because some days I have time.

[B]

Some days I have time.

[A]

Like, my friends are like, crystal, who's around? You tell them to take your phone, give your phone to somebody. I'm like, yes.

[B]

Like, my God, kids will call me and say, now we know you not gonna respond. Do you Release needs us to respond just a little bit. Don't give too much.

[A]

Yeah. That is so funny, because my fans, when I tell you, I realize I don't have the same thing because they arrived for me so hard. So things I really want to say.

[B]

Yeah, I love y'.

[A]

All. Let them know. Kudos.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can just sit back because I'm like, yes, that's exactly what I wanted to say, but I can't say yes. But I'm. I love the black bag. It's my favorite.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My absolute favorite.

[B]

It's a blessing.

[A]

It is. It really is. It is. When we talk about blessings there, do you find that there's a burden and a blessing that comes with being in the ministry? Because sometimes people feel that there's a weight that comes along with carrying this. Yes. It's called. You're literally carrying across. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And I think it's a day, every day. It's an. It's an intentional choice. Like, I choose to carry the weight that comes with it. One of my good friends, his name is Sy Younger, and he was talking to us the other. Other week, and he said, we love to talk about the cross that Jesus carried, but I think we live in a generation now of Christians who are crossless Christians where we don't want to carry our cross. And I was like, oh, you know, because the cost is heavy.

[A]

It is.

[B]

So there is a burden that comes with representing Christ, especially outside of the four walls of the church. Like, I applaud. I applaud people like you who know. I'm not standing on a stage preaching. I'm not, you know, I'm not Sarah, I'm not Priscilla Shire, but I am Crystal, and I'm doing it now. I got to do it through TV and film.

[A]

Yeah, that is.

[B]

It's a way. Wait.

[A]

Yeah, it is, you know, to.

[B]

To represent him in that way, but to see the benefits of it, to see so many people now who say, maybe I'm not like Tasha and I'm not like Sarah, but I see myself in Crystal, that I have all of these gifts that may not be used so much in the church, but they're used outside of the four walls of the church. And many times that's. That's where you would find Jesus.

[A]

Yeah. Because we are in church.

[B]

Yeah. Like, he was.

[A]

He was walking up the street like.

[B]

He was hosting conferen by the ocean with fish, you know, and so that. That's the kind of God that we serve, that. Hey, I do want you to forsake, not to assemble together at your weekly gatherings, but I want you to take that out now and represent me. And that's not always going to be easy. There's a weight that comes with that. But I. I am. I am honored to carry it. You know, if he could carry his cross and die for us, do all the things that he did, certainly I can carry the weight of. Of. Of my little cross.

[A]

Absolutely. I love that, Tasha.

[B]

So kudos to you, y'. All. You killing it, girl. You represent the kingdom well. I don't care what nobody says. Oh, you represent very well.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you so much. Because I do doubt that sometimes, like God am I doing. And even in this season, I found myself searching and talking to him more. Guide me in the way that you want me to represent you. Like, because I think it was. It may have been Sarah or somebody. Something happened during Woman Evolved where someone said, we are living in a time where the people that are unlikely will be the ones that are raising up the kingdom and spreading the word. And it's a real people that you wouldn't even expect. Like, wait, that's who he's using? And I was. I made a comment about how I noticed, like, a lot of, like, singers and different people in the entertainment industry are publicly turning their life into Christ and bringing the millions of followers that God brought to them, but it was for his glory in the end.

[B]

That's one of the things that happened. Even with the songs with Nikki, there were so many people who started following me or bought my album who. They would say to me, I didn't believe in God before I heard this song, or this is the first gospel album I've ever purchased. That alone, I'm like, hey, you know, people. And I get the testimonies, too, of.

[A]

Well, what about our girls?

[B]

And what about our girls being exposed to this and exposed to that? I believe that God wants. Will cover our children. They will cover those who. Who we are called to, who are in our churches and our homes, but we also have to reach those who are not.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, how else do we do it besides collaborating with people who represent him outside of the four walls? So, you know, I. I know that's what I'm called to. I know that's a part of. So thank you again for that.

[A]

Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. Is there anything that you can let us know that you're working on? What's coming up? I want to know.

[B]

We are on the Good News tour. Yes.

[A]

I'm excited about that.

[B]

I call them my kids because they are. I'm Auntie Tasha now. So, yeah, we're with Maverick City, and so we got Todd, Naomi, Range, Handler. Tim Godfrey is gonna be with me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So it's. It's gonna be incredible. I'm looking forward to it. Tours always stretch you, so I'm looking forward to how I'm gonna grow as a person. Just out being out in different cities every night. I don't know if people know that side of it. I'm also growing every night. Having these encounters and having this experience in worship and even having the conversations with different artists backstage and living with them for all of these months. We grow together and it sharpens us. So I'm looking forward to that.

[A]

I'm excited.

[B]

You got a concentration.

[A]

You know, I'm there. I can't wait. And I went to the last Kingdom tour they did here in Atlanta, and I. I had to film the next day. I didn't have a voice, baby. I was at the. I was like, okay, you gotta call Dad. I kept saying, I have to wait. Tomorrow. I have to wait. I was like, God will give me my voice.

[B]

He'll give me something if I gotta. With for our praise tonight.

[A]

Yes, we do have the tour.

[B]

I'm excited about that. And the books, the devotional, and do it anyway. I put. I put my life in that. So it's. It's memoirs and stories.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Even my childhood of going back, watching how it was just a theme in our house to get up and do it anyway. Even though you. Even if you don't feel like it. So I've been believe. It's going to be an encouragement to so many people.

[A]

I love. I'm looking at the titles that you have. Discover it, Pursue it, Read it, Hide it. That's a good one. Yes. Question. It created. I'm a creator, so I love that. Oh, wow.

[B]

So.

[A]

So it's a 60. This is amazing. 60 days.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I cannot wait to dive into this.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Seriously, I love starting my day with devotionals. I love starting with meditation and just really being still. So I'm gonna add this to my morning routine. I cannot wait. No, thank you. Seriously, I love you and I'm so glad I got to share space with you. This has been incredible.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

And keep rocking it. Keep rocking at her. You too. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. I have to admit, Tasha Cobbs Leonard left me with much so, so much to think about and pray about. So much that it was actually kind of challenging to come up with a gym for the day. But if I had one takeaway, it would be that rest is trust, guys. I'm such a workhorse. I love having my hands in everything because I have so many things going on, but sometimes I just need to be still. So that is my takeaway and my gym for this week. Today's show was nothing short of amazing, and I can't thank you guys enough for watching. You can follow me on all social media platforms at lovechristalrenee, and you can also follow the show at keepitpositivesweetie. If you want to write into our positive outcomes listener letter, you can send us an [e-mail] in the meantime, in between time, y' all already know what to do. Keep it positive, sweetie. I'll see you guys next time.