Stillness, Clarity & the Courage to Transform

Summary

Keep It Positive, Sweetie — Episode Summary
Episode Title: Stillness, Clarity & the Courage to Transform
Host: Crystal Renee Hayslett | Guest: Tere (Toré) Roberts
Date: April 26, 2026

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Episode Theme Overview

This episode delves into the journey of finding clarity and inner knowing in times of uncertainty. Host Crystal Renee Hayslett sits down with pastor, author, and thought leader Tere Roberts to discuss his new book, Knowing: The Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World. Together, they unpack the power of stillness, the courage required for personal transformation, the reality of trauma and healing—particularly in Black communities—and the expansive meaning of “calling.” The conversation is warm, honest, and deeply practical, offering wisdom on faith, leadership, self-regulation, and giving ourselves permission to evolve.

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1. Redefining Purpose and Calling

[04:41 - 09:10]

• Expanding the Definition of “Calling”:

  • Tere shares his journey from business/tech entrepreneurship to ministry, emphasizing impact beyond traditional church roles.
  • “When people think about a calling, they automatically go to a church mentality… I wanted to expand the concept. Business is a calling. Science is a calling.” (Tere, 06:35)
  • The Called Podcast is about activating people in all fields, not just ministry.

• Serving Through Varied Talents:

  • Tere: “Business will get you into doors that the church can’t… Business will get you the ear of the king, the president, the world of any nation.” (Tere, 07:54)

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2. Woman Evolve, Partnerships, & Family

[10:00 - 11:15]

• Crystal celebrates Tere’s and wife Sarah Jakes Roberts’ partnership and impact through Woman Evolve Conference.
• Tere: “My blessing has been we’ve been able to augment one another’s strengths… and then even to the point of call, the people that we’ve assembled…there’s a lot of business, a lot of negotiating.” (Tere, 10:27)

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3. Clarity, Boundaries, and Managing Capacity

[12:00 - 14:07]

• Crystal checks in: Asks how Tere is really doing.
  • Tere recounts a powerful moment when David Banner truly checked on his well-being: “He reminded me…so when you asked me, ‘How are you?’ I want to answer honestly.” (Tere, 12:12)
  • Tere is intentionally focused on growth, setting boundaries, and learning to manage his capacity: “I’m learning to be OK with not immediately responding, and trusting that they are emotionally intelligent enough to know that a delay in response is not an indication of how I feel.” (Tere, 13:37)

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4. Game Segment: "Now That You Know"

[14:08 - 19:31]

• What disrupts peace? “Lack of effort. God matches our excellence… When I see people not putting in the effort, that disrupts my peace.” (Tere, 14:31)
• Go-to comfort meal? Sushi, specifically at Butterfish (Thousand Oaks, CA); Crystal recommends Umi in Atlanta. (15:28)
• What doesn’t make sense? “Pride. Because…there’s another version of me that’s going to look at this version of me the same way I look at the old me.” (Tere, 16:42)
• What do you never want to grow through again? “Loss…What I’ve learned is great, it is comforting…but I don’t want to do that no more.” (Tere, 17:48)
• What would your younger self be shocked about now? “That this version of me doesn’t have to be afraid anymore. We didn’t call it fear; we called it being ‘alert’—but it was fear.” (Tere, 18:43)

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5. The Writing Journey: Capturing Divine Inspiration

[19:31 - 21:55]

• When do you know it’s time for a new book?
  • “When I have a message that...is strong enough, compelling enough, broad enough, and relevant enough to the moment…” (Tere, 19:41)
• Process + Tools:
  • Tere uses the app Ploud/Claude to rapidly jot down ideas, honoring “creative rushes” even at odd hours. “If you’re going to be a good steward over God’s insight creatively, you have to be ready to catch the flow whenever it comes.” (Tere, 21:18)

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6. Family, Legacy, and Hearing Children’s Wisdom

[27:39 - 31:00]

• The foreword for Tere’s new book was written by his 9-year-old daughter, Ella.
  • “She’s closer to knowing. She hasn’t yet been shaped by things that take our knowing away.” (Tere, 28:52)
  • He shares the challenge of convincing publishers and agents: “But I knew she was supposed to do it…sometimes when God gives you something and you know it—even when people around you don’t get it—you gotta cultivate that.” (Tere, 30:29)
  • Ella’s involvement is a testament to honoring children’s gifts and trusting their intuition.

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7. Healing, Trauma, and Black Masculinity

[32:10 - 39:23]

• On Projecting Trauma: Tere reflects on his LA childhood, personal trauma, and how it can impact parenting: “There are certain things I’m blinded by because of my love. I have to trust that the God who kept me will keep my children.” (Tere, 34:36)
• Therapy and Stigma:
  • “We can’t talk about [trauma and mental health] enough…If we would go to therapy, we’d actually be able to handle more.” (Tere, 37:30)
  • Candid moment about vulnerability with his wife, Sarah—rejecting her care at first, but coming back to apologize and seek connection as he embraces healing. (38:18)

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8. Uncertainty, Stillness, and Inner Knowing

[39:39 - 50:21]

• Living with Uncertainty:

  • “We were not wired to experience this level of consistent uncertainty…Science shows the brain craves predictability. When the brain doesn’t have it, the prefrontal cortex shuts down.” (Tere, 40:20)
  • “We can’t keep the world from being uncertain…But we can be grounded and we can be anchored in the middle of it.” (Tere, 41:39)
  • Scriptural references: Hebrews 12 "everything that can be shaken…" and practical, faith-rooted leadership that emerges from inner clarity.

• How Do We Know?

  • “Let me recognize my knower, sharpen that knower…We have a leadership crisis—true leaders emerge when they have clarity, conviction, solutions.” (Tere, 43:33)

• On Testing Prophets & Sensing God’s Answers:

  • “If a prophet, even if you are seeing right, if somehow the attention gets back to you…a prophet should be humble…arrogance is a danger sign.” (Tere, 45:23)

• Chaos as a Catalyst:

  • “There’s a pattern: Chaos…response…then the kingdom does something. If we have emotional regulation and stillness, we’ll tap into our knowing.” (Tere, 47:16)

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9. The Power of Stillness

[47:59 - 50:21]

• “Stillness is an act of defiance. It’s me rebelling…against this inundation of information that’s trying to deregulate me…We have to find stillness time every single day in order to be clear.” (Tere, 47:59)
• “If we are still, still we’ll know.” (Tere, 49:46)

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10. Leadership, Response, and Regulating Emotion

[55:20 - 58:23]

• The Power of the Pause:
  • “Be angry and sin not…that space between your legitimate anger and your response—sometimes it needs to be a week.” (Tere, 55:30)
  • “Three seconds. Just a breath before you react…can be the difference.” (Tere, 57:05)
• Leadership insight: “Knowing who you need to train, that will be a great asset if you have patience, versus who must go.”

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11. Transformation: The Cocoon Phase

[58:42 - 66:03]

• The Cocoon Metaphor:

  • “The challenging part about being in a cocoon is that you don’t know it…when it’s over, you become something you couldn’t have fathomed.” (Tere, 59:31)
  • “You have to trust the character of the one who allowed you into that cocoon…It’s temporary…You’re protected…and when you come out, it’s worth it, you’ll kiss the cocoon later.” (Tere, 63:05)

• To Those Stuck in Cycles, Afraid to Transform:

  • “It takes courage to submit to a process. You got to get to the other side. You’re not going to get to the other side going around the mountain.” (Tere, 63:38)
  • “God really, really loves you…you can yield yourself and do whatever it takes to yield to the process…He’s not disappointed in you.” (Tere, 65:33)
  • “Don’t deliver yourself too early. …I want to be done, Lord, well done, so that I don’t have to go back.” (Tere, 66:03)

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12. Additional Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Excellence is free.” (Tere, 15:14)
• “Courage is needed more for the unseen—courage to go through the process, to trust, to rest.” (Paraphrased from multiple moments)
• “Clarity isn’t always loud. Sometimes it’s quiet, sometimes it’s uncomfortable, and sometimes it requires us to unlearn everything we thought we knew.” (Crystal, 69:06)

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13. Resources, Book & Podcast Info

[67:34 - 68:53]

• Knowing: The Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World — available everywhere, details at toriroberts.com.
• The Called Podcast — available on YouTube and major audio platforms.
• Upcoming The Called conference (Miami, April), overflow tickets for Woman Evolve.

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14. Closing Wisdom & Encouragement

Crystal sums up the core lesson: “Knowing isn’t about having all the answers. It’s about having the courage to trust yourself, even in the unknown.” (69:06)

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For Listeners:

This episode is a tapestry of faith, psychological insight, Black identity, and universal encouragement—all wrapped with warmth and laughter. Listeners are left with practical strategies for responding to chaos, honoring their unique calling, embracing vulnerability, and finding peace through stillness.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Calling: 04:41
• Woman Evolve & Family Partnership: 10:00
• Boundaries for Seekers: 12:01
• Game Segment: 14:08
• Writing Process & Tools: 19:36
• Foreword by Daughter: 27:39
• Healing Black Masculinity: 32:10
• Uncertainty & Knowing: 39:39
• Stillness: 47:59
• Leadership Regulation: 55:30
• Cocoon Phase: 58:42
• Transformational Courage: 63:38
• Book & Podcast Plugs: 67:34
• Final Reflections: 69:06

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Listen if you need:

• Tools for finding clarity in chaos
• Permission to rest, heal, and trust your process
• Inspiration to expand your sense of purpose
• Honest talk on faith, leadership, and real transformation
• Encouragement for embracing your cocoon—even in the dark

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Notable Quote to Share:
“Stillness is an act of defiance…If we are still, still, we’ll know.”
— Tere Roberts, [47:59]

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Find the Book: toriroberts.com
Find the Podcast: The Called Podcast (all platforms)
Host: Crystal Renee Hayslett (Keep It Positive, Sweetie)

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Be encouraged, stay grounded, and—always—keep it positive, sweetie.

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[Tere Roberts]

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[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Calling all my sweeties to the forefront. I'm your host, Chris Renee Hazlett, and this is the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show. Welcome to Keep It Positive, sweetie. The place where we heal, grow and learn together. Today's guest is pastor, author, and thought leader whose work challenges us to slow down, tune in, and trust the voice within. With his new book, the Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World, he invites us into a deeper understanding of clarity, discernment, and what it really means to trust ourselves in a world full of noise. I am so glad to be sitting down with Tere Roberts. Today's guest is someone whose message goes beyond inspiration. It's about transformation. Known for his ability to break down complex spiritual truths into something practical and personal, he's helped so many people navigate identity, purpose, and inner clarity. In his new book, the Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World, he explores what it looks like to move through life with certainty, not because everything is figured out, but because you've learned how to trust what's already inside of you. This conversation isn't just about answers. It's about what happens when you learn to listen differently. Kids, family, please give a very warm welcome to Taray Roberts. Terray.

[Tere Roberts]

How you doing? I'm doing great.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You are here.

[Tere Roberts]

I know we had Sarah on before. I was thinking like we. And it was at the house.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It was at the house. We moved.

[Tere Roberts]

I see.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You know, we've elevated scaling. Come on. We've evolved. Yes, woman evolved. Okay.

[Tere Roberts]

Clearly, clearly.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

No, it was one of those things where the podcast grew so much and, you know, home is your safe space. So I had to find a place where people can bring their crew and their posse whoever they want to bring. And I not feel like when I go to sleep at night, they gonna run back up on me.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes. Understood.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Listen, because you already know, but yeah, I love it. And God has been so good what he's done with this platform. But I want to talk about you. You are doing so many amazing things.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You got a new book, your podcast. I feel like how I see you now and the way you are showing up in our community is not just from the ministry lens. What made you say, I'm gonna step out and really, like, focus on all these other talents and gifts that I have to actually serve our community.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. That's amazing. I am. Many may not know this, but I started in business.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Wow.

[Tere Roberts]

So my background is tech. I'm a tech entrepreneur. And so for me, even starting a church was rooted in me wanting to scale the impact that Christ was having in my life. So I got really touched in 2000 and I started talking to all my friends in business. They started getting touched one on one. And so the Entrepreneur in me said, how do I get the maximum result for this energy that I'm putting out?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

So for me, starting a church was like, listen, instead of talking to people one on one, I can create a system and set up a structure where I can touch 50 people, 100 people, and then it became thousands and more so. But I realized that there are people who are called not just to church, but can have greater impact outside the church. So even pastoring Hollywood taught me that.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's amazing. And then you went to have one church, la, which is where I was first introduced to you. And every time I was in la, I would go to your service. Sent a lot of people there too, like you, looking for a church. Because I'm like you living in la, you need to be in a church. Like, it's so many distractions in Los Angeles, so you need to have that foundation. And your church was one of those churches, I feel like, really resonated, especially with the youth and people who were lost and looking for some type of home and belonging. You really did that. And you said to talk about people are being called that. Same of your podcast. What made you say, I'm going to call it the called.

[Tere Roberts]

I think that when people think about a calling, they automatically go to a church mentality. They think, I'm called to be a preacher. I'm called to be a worship leader, maybe a deacon. And I wanted to expand the concept of what it means to be called, because I do think that business is a calling, I think that science is a calling. So I wanted to expand that and then show them how to be called in that space. You can go to theological school if you want to be a preacher, and that's wonderful. But who teaches the person who's called to start companies?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Come on.

[Tere Roberts]

Who teaches the person who's called to be a scientist and create by the spirit of God groundbreaking health solutions? I said, I guess I gotta be.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I love that. That's so good. Because like you said, people automatically first go to ministry. And that is not everybody's calling. It is not. But there's so many things that you can that God has blessed us with that we can really tap into and still have that foundation and lean on the strength of him knowing that he's our source, but knowing that it doesn't just have to be this. We talk about being a monolith. We're not a monolith. There's so many different things we can do. And I love that you are tapping into that and letting people know hey, find your superpower. Let's lean into that. And you've done that very well.

[Tere Roberts]

Because, Krista, we need it. Like I need that, that. That scientist who knows the Lord and can get in there and make a decision, not only a scientific decision, but a kingdom decision about something that can affect millions of lives on the continent of Africa or in India or what have you. I need that person. I need that, that creative person who is getting ready to put out content all over the world and the Internet and every other place distribution channel. I need that person to see it as a calling. So when they're in the room, they can just sometimes just a little tweak in the script or a little change in how you carry out that scene can invite God. And sometimes without yelling that it's God, but projecting the essence of God. And so I said, I got to do it. I need that person who has this business acumen that can create systems. Business will get you into doors that church can't come on business. Business will get you the ear of the king, the ear of the president, of the world, of any nation. So somebody needed to pour. And I'm not saying I'm the only one, but because I have that background. And see, so that's my calling.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Exactly.

[Tere Roberts]

People think it's just preaching and I love preaching. That's wonderful. But I'm passionate about activating people in what they're called to.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah. So hearing this now, I can imagine how hands on and instrumental you are in Woman Evolved, something that has grown into this massive weekend that women from all over the world come to. I'm telling this to be my. I've done it for three years straight. This will be my fourth year. And when I tell you it is. Ali transformed every single time. But the way you guys do everything, it's like I feel the tech, I feel like everything that you're talking about that's already inside of you, I can see it all inside this one event. How is that building that and like, are you. I can tell. I'm pretty sure you're very hands on with that part of it.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. Well, you know, my wife is an incredible, phenomenal.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

First of all, shout out my girl. My sis, Sarah takes Roberts.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. She loves you like crazy.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I love her.

[Tere Roberts]

She really does.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That is my girl.

[Tere Roberts]

And she's incredible. And my blessing has been. We've been able to augment one another's strengths.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, and so, I mean, she is. She's a powerful businesswoman. Very creative.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And so what she misses I catch.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I love that.

[Tere Roberts]

And what I miss, she catches. Yeah. And. And then even to the point of call, the people that we've assembled, you know, there's a lot of negotiating. Let's just keep 100. There's a lot of business. There's a lot of, you know, we're in the back.

[Wheezy]

Right.

[Tere Roberts]

Talking straight up real time, making decisions. But. But it's been amazing to watch her floor. She, for me, represents really my calling to support, to help, to anchor, to facilitate, to give strategic advice and then to watch it flourish. And then I get to be married to her and have a family with her and live life with her.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I see you on the sidelines, even at Woman Yvonne, when she's preaching, you just looking at her, I'm like, he is proud and so full of so much joy. I can see it. I adore watching your queen thrive.

[Tere Roberts]

It's beautiful.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Well, you are here. We are talking about your fourth book.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

He is an author, y'. All. His fourth book, Knowing the Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World. My God. On today, are we living in a very uncertain world in uncertain times? Like, every day I wake up, I'm like, what's next?

[Tere Roberts]

Right.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Like, I keep the TV on cnn. They're like, you like an old woman. Every time you come in your house, your TV's on CNN. I say, because I don't know what's about to happen next, and I need to know in real time what's happening so I can be ready, you know? But I want to get into that. But before we get into it, I do want to ask you something. So many people come to you for clarity, direction, and everything. With that comes a lot of weight.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

How are you doing on today?

[Tere Roberts]

First of all, thank you for asking that question. I was David Banner. We were at David so talented, the Ebony 100 event.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And he saw me, and I hadn't seen him in maybe two years, something like that. And he grabbed me and he hugged me, and he looked me in my eyes. He's like, how are you? And I was like, I'm doing good. He's like, no ture pt. How are you? And he looked, and I needed that. So he reminded me that when you asked me, like, how are you? And I want to answer honestly. So, first of all, thank you for asking. I'm doing. I'm doing. I'm doing well. I am. I'm in a process. And I was just talking to one of your amazing producers, and she mentioned one of the chapters in the book that really stuck with her.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And I'm like, I'm. Well, because I am open to the fact that I have growth opportunities.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And so I'm doing really good. Yeah. People do bring a lot to me. I am learning to have boundaries. You know, the phone will go off, it'll blow up. But I'm learning to be okay with not immediately responding and trusting that they are emotionally intelligent enough to know that a delay in response is not. It's not any sort of indication of how I feel.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Right.

[Tere Roberts]

And so I'm learning to manage my capacity better than I have before. And I think because I'm doing that and because I am leaving space for me to grow, that's why I'm doing well.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah. I love that. And thank you for being honest. You know, so a lot of times when we do get so used to that, nobody wants to hear, I'm good. I'm great. Everything is great. Like, you don't want to hear it anyway. But sometimes people like, no, I really want to hear. And also, I think people hearing you say how you really are feeling, it helps them be more honest and transparent about how they're feeling. So thank you for sharing that, seriously.

[Tere Roberts]

Absolutely.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I want to play a little game with you. It's called now that you know. So we're talking about knowing.

[Tere Roberts]

I love that.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes. Okay. So now that you know what peace feels like, what's something that is instantly disrupts it?

[Tere Roberts]

Ooh, I got to go with what came first.

[Shopify Commercial Voice]

Y.

[Tere Roberts]

Lack of effort. Lack of effort. I feel like we. We are blessed with life and the opportunity to do incredible things. And God matches our excellence.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

He does.

[Tere Roberts]

I really do. And so when. And I believe in excellence, and I live for excellence. And when I see. When I see people not putting in the. Just the effort. Just the effort.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

That disrupts my peace, and I have to readjust in order to get my peace back.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Who does that? Reminding you of. That's me all day. I'd be like, come on.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

I mean, excellence is free.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It is.

[Tere Roberts]

It's free. It's just. It's the best you can do. That's all we ask.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's it, you know? Oh, yeah. I love that. That's good. Now that you know what you like, what is your go to comfort meal?

[Tere Roberts]

Oh, all right. I'm trying to do it is sushi.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Oh, yeah. What's your favorite sushi restaurant?

[Tere Roberts]

Oh, well, I mean, you got your Nobu, but I found. Oh, there's a spot in California In Thousand Oaks in Westlake Village, called butter. I think it's called butterfish.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Oh, yes, I know. You're talking about.

[Tere Roberts]

See, right now. Right now it's in your shot. Right now, it's called butterfish.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

It's the best sushi I've ever had in my life.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Amazing. I love that. Sushi is one of my favorites too. So if you're in Atlanta, you have to go to Umi.

[Tere Roberts]

Okay.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It's right behind the St. Regis Hotel.

[Tere Roberts]

Oh, this one that's.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You can walk to. It is literally, like, right. Like, literally. You go downstairs and go to the right. It's right there. So good.

[Tere Roberts]

What time is it?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Right. I think they open up at 5. It's good. That might have to happen tonight. Yeah. And get the. They have this butter lobster that they, like, cook right in front of you.

[Tere Roberts]

Butter lobster.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes. But the sushi is so good. It's to live for.

[Tere Roberts]

Feel. God. Right here, right now. I love it. I'm on it. Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Okay. Now that you know how life works a little more, what's something that still does not make sense to you?

[Tere Roberts]

Ooh, pride.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Mm.

[Tere Roberts]

The more I learn, the more I come to know, the more I realize what I don't know. And once you realize that, this gonna be a little harsh, but just let me be a little raw. Once you realize that you were kind of stupid about something.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Come on. Cause we all been there.

[Tere Roberts]

Like, then it should create a humility. Because if I was stupid then and I didn't know it or let me. Let's make it positive now. Cause let's keep it positive. Because I was uninformed then, and I was unaware that I was uninformed. It seemed like it would create a humility in where I am now, because there's another version of me that's going to feel the way about this version of me that I feel about that version of me. So pride doesn't make sense.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's really good. That's really good. Now that you know growth is important, what is one thing that you never want to grow through again?

[Tere Roberts]

Ooh. Oh, man. Okay. All right. So I have. I have experienced a lot of loss in my life.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

Lost my best friend when I was 12 years old. She got killed. Lost some friends that weren't best friends, but close friends growing up. Lost a very. One of my good friends was an actor. He passed away in 2020. And I've learned a lot about death and grief and. And it's. What I've learned is great. It is comforting. And all that kind of stuff. But I don't. I don't want to do that no more.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah, that's. Oh, man, that's good. Now that you know your younger self, what would he be shocked about you now?

[Tere Roberts]

Oh, I think that he would be shocked at how this version of me, this older self, doesn't have to be afraid anymore, because fear was. Fear was. We didn't call it fear. We called it just being alert.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, I mean, just. I'm watching my back, I'm alert, but it was fear.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And. And occasionally I don't have to sit in a restaurant with my back allowing me to face the door every once. Every once in a while. Yeah. Depends on where I'm at.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Most men are like, you need to switch.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. Yeah. Every once in a while, you're like, I'm okay. I'm okay.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah, that's good. Thank you for playing along.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I appreciate that. Now let's get into the book. I want to know. This is your fourth book.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

How do you know when is the prompting that it's time to write a book?

[Tere Roberts]

I feel like when I have a message that if I didn't write any other book, when I have a message that is strong enough, compelling enough, broad enough, and relevant enough to the moment that we're living in, when all those boxes I can check, that's when I know it's time to write.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I love that.

[Tere Roberts]

And that's how knowing is for me.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Amazing. So let's talk about it. What was that process like for you? Day in and day out, you're an author, because some people don't understand what it takes to write a book, and you're a busy man. So I want to know, like, what was it like balancing. What was that day in and day out? Are you an early writer? Are you a nighttime writer? Or is it on the plane? How does it work for you?

[Tere Roberts]

So this project was about two years in the making, but when I finally got full clarity on what it would be, I actually wrote it pretty quickly, like within three or four months.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Wow.

[Tere Roberts]

But so for me, I get thoughts, and I immediately honor those thoughts and write it down. This is important. Like, God, one idea, one thought can change everything.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And the challenge is if you don't have some sort of means to capture that thought, not only are you missing the value of that thought, but you can't get another thought, you know, for sure. Thoughts build. And so. So I have tools. Like, even now, I use this. This device called plod, and it's Amazing. It's a. It's an AI based note taking system.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Oh, cool.

[Tere Roberts]

But it captures your thoughts, organizes them, etc. PL or Claude Plaud. P L O U P L A U D. Okay, got it. You're gonna love it too.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Okay, Amazing.

[Tere Roberts]

So. So I honor those thoughts and then I also honor creative rushes. And sometimes. I was gonna say, unfortunately, sometimes those creative rushes come at three in the morning. So I can either say, oh, I'm tired. No, when God blesses you with a creative rush, you got to honor it no matter where you are. If you're out. I mean, I was driving here, you know. Oh, hold on. I pulled my phone out, you know, so if you're going to be a good steward over God's insight creatively, you have to be ready to catch the flow whenever it comes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's so good. That's good. I love that this is weezy.

[Wheezy]

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[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello? Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pollard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Stefano Pollard]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans. In the digital age.

[Stefano Pollard]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Stefano Pollard]

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[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Wheezy]

okay, so quick behind the scenes moment about my business. Because people always ask me, like, how do I actually run everything? So Shopify is literally the platform where I turned this tiny idea into a business. Before this, I was really just like popping up at any in person event, any vending opportunity I could, which I still do. But I wasn't really as focused on online. I was like, you know, the websites are going to be too much to build out. I'm not like a super techie person, even though I can make things cute. And I didn't want to put up a website that would run my customers away. I wanted it to be efficient, to be easy. And Shopify helped me build brown girlgrinding.com out. Once I switched to Shopify, it finally clicked like, okay, I can actually do this. It's not about it being tough. It's about using the right platform to make it easy. Shopify takes all of the guesswork out. I build my own store, I manage my community, own my own customer relationships. Plus this is my favorite thing. Shopify gets my products everywhere. I'm able to link stuff through Google, YouTube, TikTok, Shop the Shop app, even ChatGPT and Instagram, which is very important for me and Shopify's AI co founder, sidekick, game changer, let me tell y', all, right? So it's helped me not only optimize my site, but it helps me look at my sales trends, it updates my product skills, all the stuff I'm absolutely not an expert in. But it's like having a genius business partner that never sleeps. And right now, the Bronco grinding storefront and the Black Effect storefront is busy and Shopify is handling all of the heavy lifting. I love that for us. I am pumped, like so pumped that Shopify is going to show up at the Black Effect Podcast festival this year in a big way. And I will be there preaching this platform to all of the small black owned businesses that partner with us. So if you've been sitting on an idea or if you're ready to scale, which you've already started, this is Your sign go to shopify.com Ben if I can do it, you can do it too.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

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[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Now your Ford, I thought this is really cool. Was written by your nine year old daughter, Ella. Yeah. Tell me about that. And what made you say I want her to write this?

[Tere Roberts]

It was a few things. One, she, she's, you know, we have, we have a blended family.

[Stefano Pollard]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, I had three from previous marriage. Sarah had two. And Ella is our child that we have together. And she kind of believes she's the only child. And she has, she's so smart. She has kind of deduced that, you know, I'm the only child by y'. All.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Right.

[Tere Roberts]

Like, you little rascal.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You kind of.

[Tere Roberts]

I almost can't argue that. Right?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You like?

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah, but, but she's always had this, this unique ability to perceive beyond her years and beyond her circumstances. And she would almost stumble into it. It was like she would know, but not even fully know what it was that she knew, but knew it enough to say it. So she came to me and she's like, that I should write the foreword.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

First of all, nine years old, knowing what a forward is.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes, yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Cause what.

[Tere Roberts]

And Crystal, I was like. But when she said it, something in my knower was like, don't brush this off. Wow. You know, and I looked at her and I said, okay. I said, you know, let's. But I knew that she was supposed to do it. Now, selling that to my publisher and selling that even to my agent, I Have an incredible agent, but selling it to them. They were both like, what? My agent was like, oh, no, no, absolutely not. My publisher was like, you know, they try to be nice because they know you're an artist, and they probably have this way of thinking about artists, and you have to be gentle with them or whatever. And I have a great publisher as well. They both were like, are you sure? And I was like, yeah, but here's the thing. She's closer to knowing. She's 10 now. She's 9 at the time. She's closer to the presence of God's voice, the presence of truly knowing, than a lot of the adults that are around me. Because she hasn't been yet shaped by things that take our knowing away. And so I interviewed her. We were in Greece. I interviewed her, you know, and. And she had it right there.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

We were in. In Greece. Yeah.

[Premier Protein Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

What a life for the child.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah, it was. And she. And when I interviewed her, I'm like, oh, no, this. This is. This is it.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Wow.

[Tere Roberts]

So I had to fight to go to bat for her because my publisher's like, no, you need to have some special person or somebody who's a subject matter.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

My daughter is special. Hello.

[Tere Roberts]

I'm like, it don't get no more special than this. And let me tell you something. And I had told her, yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

So there's no magazine.

[Tere Roberts]

There was no rationale. There would be nothing they could say, this is going to happen.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And then once it was written and they saw it and they understood the press angles even, they were like, that was brilliant. That's another thing you got to, like when it comes to knowing, like, when God gives you something and you know it, even when people around you don't get it. People you love, trust and respect. That's why you got to cultivate that.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

Because there's something that God sees that he's revealing to you, that if you honor it against the naysayers, it's going to set you up for success.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

No, absolutely. I'm glad you stuck to your guns. I'm glad you listened to Ella when she said that, because sometimes I'm not a parent, but I know some. I'm a child. So I know sometimes when I tell my parents that they're like, as a kid, they're like, okay, girl. Like, okay, you're thinking too, like, that's never going to happen. You know? So the fact that you took the moment to listen to her and hear her and then gave her a shot, that is something that is going to stick with her forever. And I believe that as she grows up, she's never gonna be afraid to shoot her shot. If I can shoot my shot to my dad, like, that's huge.

[Tere Roberts]

Wow. Yeah, I never looked at it that way.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah, but you also talked about how we can project how we've been shaped and our experiences on our children. You touched on that in the book. Let's talk about that.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That is so important, because I do that even now sometimes, like with people that I mentor or my nieces and nephews, I'm always trying to protect them, and it is a form of protection for us. But let's talk about that and how you've had to kind of reshape how you do that.

[Tere Roberts]

It's funny you bring this up. So my trauma that I'm realizing was a lot deeper than I thought it was.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Isn't it like that?

[Tere Roberts]

It's a lot deeper, and I'm finally actually beyond intellectually processing it, really processing it at a soul level and doing the work Good. My. So LA for me, LA is. I actually wrote a little song by L, A, which I'm gonna send it to you one day, But L. A. I love L. A, but, you know, in the song, I talk about how LA broke my heart a lot of times, and I broke her heart, too. And, you know, I got shot in la. I was exposed to a lot of things in la, and so I have. I do have trauma from some of the things that I experienced growing up.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And I started in Watts and before. And I started in Watts, and I live very far away from Watts in the mountains. So my life reflects my journey in la, reflects me pushing further and further and further away.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, almost. I literally. You literally can't go any further away in LA than where my house is. Right. And my son came to me, He. He was in corporate America and he said, you know, I feel called to leave corporate America and I'm gonna really trust God about where he's gonna send me next.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And that was about a month ago. And then he pulled me into the. To a conversation the other day, and he's like, hey, dad. So I feel like, you know, I'm called to move back to la. He lives with us in Dallas and Crystal, I was like. Because the city, it feels. I mean, LA is great, but anyone who's there knows that the city feels a little different.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It does.

[Tere Roberts]

It doesn't feel as abundant as it used to. I got scared. I got scared and it pulled up some trauma. Like, it was really a trigger for me. But what I did do in that moment was, even though he can see it in my face, I said, if God told you to do that, you know, you. You have to do it.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

Now, that's what I said to him. And I wanted to, like, give him that, but inside I was a mess. But. But I do know I don't have perfect theology on my kid's destiny.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Right. Wow.

[Tere Roberts]

Only. Only God does. I don't. You know, there's certain things that I'm blinded by because of my love. And so I have to trust that the God who took care of me, who kept me and protected me, will keep and protect all my children in whatever path that he directs them on. And that's a real conviction I have. And I just go back and I cry and in the Mary room, go and throw up or whatever I gotta do. But I don't wanna. I don't wanna hinder them. I don't wanna be like Peter, you know, and have to get rebuked by Jesus because Peter loves him and he's saying, hey, you can't do that. And I mean, Jesus calls him Satan. He says, get behind me, Satan.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

So even though. So I don't want to be Satan.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, I mean, calling it love and protection.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Absolutely. Oh, that's. I heard the church say, amen. That is so good. And I want to know, you said you're working and working through things and you're doing the work. What does that work look like for you?

[Tere Roberts]

Therapy. Yeah, therapy. I've done therapy before, but I've never. Well, actually, I was gonna say I've never done trauma therapy. I tried this trauma therapist before, and she touched something and I was like, this is done. We ain't doing this no more. You know, because, you know, you want to be in control, you know? But when I realized that my trauma can affect my kids.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And can affect everything. My marriage, my life, my business. Yeah. No, I want everything. I want all the tools.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

I want all the tools. And so for me, yeah, it's. It's. You know, I'm starting. Starting therapy.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's amazing. I love that. And I think our black men need to hear more of that, to see people like them that are thriving and they look at you and they're like, oh, they got it all together. To know that you as well, like, you're working through things, you're human, and that it's okay, you know, I think there's such a huge Stigma. Even though now, like, more people talk about therapy. I feel like since COVID 2020, we began to, like, really process our trauma and realize, oh, we're not okay. And we talked about it, but I still feel like with our black men, there's still a little hesitancy when it comes to, like, sitting down and talking some. The black family has been so quick to. Nope. We don't talk about our business. We're not doing that. We're not touching that. We're gonna leave it alone. But we haven't healed from it. And we keep carrying on generation to generation.

[Tere Roberts]

It's true. And we can't talk about it enough. We've got great people that we all know and love that are talking about this. But so I started therapy. You know, I started therapy when I was going through my divorce and all that kind of stuff. Right. Or trying to figure out if it was gonna work and then after. Right. But there are levels to it. And so we need to continue to be reminded, like, yo, you might have gotten free from that, but especially black men.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Come on.

[Tere Roberts]

Because we, you know, we beat our chest. We. We pride ourselves on what we can handle.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

Right. And yet, if we would go to therapy, we would actually be able to handle more. You know what I mean?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

We'd be stronger because we'd have more tools, more agency.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

More opportunity, more vulnerability. I'm learning. Like, I gotta tell you this story real quick.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah. No.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's what we're here for.

[Tere Roberts]

Sarah came to me. She had watched some documentary about men in general and how we have to be tough and hard and. And there was certainly a lot of black men in that documentary. And it awakened her, like, her. And she was passing around to her friends. So she came to me and she was like, baby, I'm so sorry. You know, like, what you've gone through and what you had to be. I'm. Come here. Come here. I pushed her away.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Wow.

[Tere Roberts]

I'm like, babe, what are you. Like, don't patronize me. Like, you know, and she wasn't. The intention was good. I was just so un. Whole that I couldn't even perceive the value in that.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Her seeing you.

[Tere Roberts]

Fast forward to me being in this new season.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

Where I'm like, split open dealing with my trauma. And I went and I said, babe, I said, I owe you an apology, you know, because, like, you know, this thing with my son really opened stuff up. And I need that hug. I need her to, like, you know, I need her to wrap me up because you know, vulnerability. The initial feeling is lack of control.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

We don't like that.

[Tere Roberts]

Oh, my God. And she's my safe place, you know, and so I apologize. Babe, you know what? You remember a couple of months ago when you came to me and you were like, come here, I'm gonna hug you. And I kind of, like, rejected that because it felt like, you know, I didn't understand. I said, first of all, I'm sorry. I said, I get it now, you know? And that hug, I need. I need that right about now.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I love the accountability. And that's important in relationships.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That is so important.

[Tere Roberts]

And own your stuff. You make. Listen, we gonna make a mistake, just own it. That's the.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

You know, you were having a human moment when she even said that.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

From things that you hadn't dealt with.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

A knowing, you know.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's good. That's really good. I love that you opened up in your book of talking about. Uncertainty is everywhere.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Not just in the world, but within us.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

My goodness. And I can. I can attest to that. You said that we can be wise and still feel lost, prayerful, and still feel pressure. I want to know what does that actually look like? When you have the faith, you have the wisdom and the experience, but you still don't feel sure about things.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. I can tell you right now, we're not doing. And when I say we, I'm talking about society. We're not doing as well as we think we are. And here's why. We're managing. We are making do. We're still working. We're not quitting.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

But we were not wired to experience this level of consistent uncertainty. We literally. We weren't built for that. Even science shows that the brain craves predictability. And when the brain does not have predictability, it starts doing all kind of stuff. First of all, the prefrontal cortex, which is obviously where our creativity, our decision making comes from, that shuts down.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

So in uncertainty, which is a time where you actually need your best foot forward, your best thought forward, that part of your brain shuts down. You go into that fight flight freeze mode. So either you are stuck in paralysis and won't move because you got decision fatigue, you're trying to figure out what is the right decision. And since you can't predict it, you do nothing, or you react from a place of fear. You're just reacting to things and you make a decision, but it's not the best decision. We're not doing well. And so for me. And then Again, it's perpetual uncertainty. So baseline is uncertainty.

[Premier Protein Commercial Voice]

And.

[Tere Roberts]

And that's a. And that's a big deal. And that's really one of the reasons why I wrote this book. Cause I'm like, listen, we cannot keep the world from being uncertain, right? We cannot shield ourselves from the reality of us being inundated with information that perpetuates this sense of uncertainty. I said, but we can be grounded and we can be anchored in the middle of it so that we can take advantage of the opportunities. So can I just be a preacher for a minute, please? So the scripture taught, everybody's heard it. Everything that can be shaken. Hebrews 12. I'm paraphrasing. Everything that can be shaken will be shaken. So shaking shouldn't shake us, to be honest with you, because one of the things. I'm from California, so one of the things that when an earthquake happens, the ground is never the same again. So we're praying for change. But the process of change, like permanent change, often is about shaking. So I have to be able to think and see clearly in the midst of the shaking, because I believe that the shaking is the process of the tails becoming the head. So here is the advantage of the. The believer does not have to sorrow as those who have no hope. In other words, we know that God is causing all things to work together for good. A B. We know that God is the last shall be first. He's causing those who were the tails to be the head. But the only way that we're going to get there is if we learn how to keep our heads and be grounded so that we can see the opportunity that is on the backdrop of the chaos.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

So for me, that's what knowing is about. Knowing is about. Okay. Let me, you know, let me figure out what's certain.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

Let me ground myself in what's certain. And let me allow. Let me recognize my knower, sharpen that knower and use that knower so that I'm seeing clearly, which I'll keep going. Which brings me into a leadership position. Right. You know, we got a leadership crisis in our world. Certainly here, you know, we have a leadership crisis. Well, how do true leaders emerge? Leaders emerge when they have clarity. Right. When they have conviction, when they have solutions that sets up the church to be the heads and not the tail.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Oof. So great.

[Tere Roberts]

You feel me?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I feel you. Yes. It's crazy you say that, because I'm in the book of Jeremiah right now, and God has given him all these prophecies, like, go tell my people this and go tell them this. And he's saying, this is. I'm about to bring a wreck into this area. Like, if my people don't get it right, I turn away. And he talks about how I know the plans that I have for you. Plans to prosper you, not to harm you. And as I'm reading, with everything that's going on in the world, I'm finding so much hope. Because I'm like, he's letting you know I am going to bring my wrath. But if you're with me, you ain't

[Tere Roberts]

got to worry about it.

[Starbucks Commercial Voice]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

We find the hope and the comfort and the peace in that.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's. Yeah. Because there is so much uncertainty. And I've been praying about certain things, and I feel like every time I pray about it, when I'm in my word, he's giving me answer. I sent Brenda Palmer something yesterday, a screenshot. She said, you better be in the Word. And I was like, it was talking about false prophets. And there's this person. I've been trying to figure out if she was real or not, you know, And Brenda was like, I don't know. I got. I don't have a good feeling about it. So as I kept reading, I said, there's my answer right there. Because if I'm uneasy because God is not the author of confusion.

[Tere Roberts]

No.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

And I'm reading, I'm like, oh, my goodness. I got. You just gave me the answer. It's in the Word.

[Tere Roberts]

It is.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It's right there.

[Tere Roberts]

And then look for. On that note, I look for pride.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

If a prophet, even if you are seeing right, if somehow the attention gets back to you, that or you just. A prophet should be humble. You know, first of all, if you are tapping into God at the level of clarity that you are, you're going to be very humble because you realize how. How powerful that opportunity is. And you just lay flat to the ground because you know it ain't you. So when it's time starts kind of pointing back to this and this arrogance. That's one of the first signs of my estimation that maybe you aren't a false prophet, but you're an unhealthy prophet, and an unhealthy prophet will be a false prophet. But you were talking about all this stuff that's going on in the world and how you're grounded. Even Jesus in Matthew 24 talked about how all these crazy things were going to happen. Wars, rumors of war, ultimately what would be pandemics, weather stuff and everything. And then he Talked about. This is very interesting. He talked about, and the love of many will grow cold because of offense and all these other things. And then at the end of that he says, but this gospel of the kingdom will be preached to all nations. So I see a pattern there. I see a pattern of chaos. I see a pattern of. Watch this. Our response to the chaos. The love of many will grow cold. That's our response to the chaos. So we will be reacting. And then I see the kingdom doing something. If it's spoken that the gospel will be preached, this gospel of the kingdom will be preached to all nations and then the end will come. In the context of this intense chaos, then it's going to be an intense advancing of the kingdom as well.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

And we see it.

[Tere Roberts]

And yes. And sandwiched in between that is whether or not we will have emotional regulation. Because if we have emotional regulation, stillness will be able to tap into our knowing. Come on, come on. So that we can set up what God is doing. But if we are reacting and responding and we are troubled and confused just like everybody else, we miss it.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

We are missing. Oh my goodness, that's good. And I wanted. You talked about stillness. Yes, let's touch about, let's touch on that. Because it is so hard. I feel like we are living in a hustle world. It's like I gotta get, I gotta get it, I gotta get it. And sometimes we miss the moment to just be still. Oh, yes, let's talk about that. And how do we know when it's time to sit down?

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah, well, first of all, you know one of our favorite well known passages of scripture is be still and know that I'm God. Yes, yes, but let's, let's cut that in a. Let's cut a third off of that. It says be still. And Noah, come on, let's just start there. So knowing and knowing God and everything happens in stillness. And for me, like in a world where I am inundated with information, I mean it is everywhere. For me, stillness is an act of defiance. It's me rebelling. It's me resisting against this inundation of information that's trying to deregulate me. Distant, disstable me. You know, you got fake news, you got all kind of you talking about misnowing. I mean, misinformation. I, I had, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and we were. Someone we really respect sent an article saying, oh, this is going on. And just two clicks would reveal that this was fake.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Now that, that grinds my Gears. When people are so quick to send you something they didn't even fact check.

[Tere Roberts]

Come on. And so I guess the point that I'm making is now stillness is not like this optional thing. You know what? I just need to find some stu. No, no, baby. We have to find stillness time every single day in order to be clear. Because our default is misinformation or too much information. So, no. Stillness is everything. If we are still, still will know. You know, there's this. This part in the book where I talk about that there's one word in Hebrews that was translated into English senses.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And it's only Bible one time. And it literally means your organ of perception. So God, the same God who gave us ears to hear and eyes to see and nose to smell, also gave us the ability to perceive him. Well, I have to shut everything else down. I have to get still so that I can tap into manure, that thing that God gave us. And not only do I have to find it, I gotta exercise it, I gotta train it, you know, and get good at it. And it's hard for it to be so clear enough that it governs our lives if we don't take time to be still.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's so good.

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[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Was there ever moment in your life where you weren't being sealed and you made a decision? You look back, like, if I had just taken a moment to pause all the time.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, there's this passage of scripture that says, be angry and sin not. And it looks like a real quick thing. Be angry and sin not. But no, there's a gap. Be angry, gap and sin not. So that space, that space between then you're. Then that space between your legitimate anger.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And your response. Sometimes it needs to be a week.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Come on, sit on it.

[Tere Roberts]

You know what I mean?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And so I can. I mean, many times, you know, in, you know, things that I, you know, may have said to the kids, you know, in my fear or nothing abusive or whatever, but I could have done so much better. Decisions that I've made in leadership, you know, getting, you know, getting upset and, you know, sometimes, you know, you. You fire somebody that you could have, and I haven't done that in a long time. But. But someone, you know, part of. Let me just give you, like a leadership lesson. One, a big leadership lesson is knowing who you need to train. That will be a great asset if you have a little bit of patience versus, you know, I've worded this way, knowing who can grow into your vision or who must go for the sake of your vision and like true leadership. So I've made all kind of decisions, and that's why I want to be regulated. Because sometimes just three seconds, Crystal, just. Just a breath before you react. Just one breath. It'd be the difference between, you know, you son of a sucker. Or. Or let's pray. You know what I mean?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Right.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, just a little beat, you know?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

No, for sure. I had to take a beat every day almost. It's like there's little moments. Like even on the way here, I was like, something happened. I was just like. Just breathe, Crystal. Right, right. It's fine. We're not saving lives here. Like, you get so quick. I'm like, you was just in the word. How are you about to get that? You know what I'm saying? Tense about something so Quick, what happened?

[Tere Roberts]

We're human.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

We are human. Yes. And I have to remind myself of that. But I also have to remind myself that you are a work in progress. And when you feel that happening, take a.

[Tere Roberts]

Take a beat.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Don't allow it to consume you, and then regulate. All right, what are we doing?

[Tere Roberts]

And it'll. And it passes.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It does.

[Tere Roberts]

That's the amazing thing.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Literally, within two seconds, I'm done. I'm good.

[Tere Roberts]

But check this out. So that urge is so strong to react. Like, it almost feel like I got to, you know? But if you can just settle yourself for a minute, it passes, because that if you give in to that, it's gonna throw your whole next 10 minutes off, literally. And there will be loss. Creativity, inspiration. You know, you can miss something that's coming your way. It ain't worth it. No, it's not worth it. To not be the best me.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And that moment of stillness, self regulation, allows me to do the best thing.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That's so good. I'm glad I'm not alone in that. One child.

[Tere Roberts]

No.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Wes, he gets an earful every day. He's like, I'm with you. I got you.

[Tere Roberts]

And you need somebody to do that, right?

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[Chris Renee Hazlett]

I just, like, dump it on him. He's like, I got you. I'm like, thank you.

[Tere Roberts]

That's a blessing.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It is a blessing. Everybody need a. Wes, I appreciate you being. Another thing I love, just about you, period, is how real you are. Now you talk about how part of your seasons are cocoon, period. I love that because I feel like so much of my life before I really took wings, I feel like I was just trapped, you know? And if I had changed my perspective, it was really cocoon, or I'm turning from that caterpillar into the butterfly so I can literally fly. Let's talk about that, because I love that analogy and that metaphor.

[Tere Roberts]

Yeah. I feel like. I know part of. I talked about if the cocoon could talk, what would it tell you?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And the challenging part about being in a cocoon is that you don't know it. And sometimes I imagine, like, the caterpillar. I don't know if caterpillars have caterpillar school right. Where there's a nice little whiteboard in the background. Now, listen, you're getting ready to go through something, right? It's gonna be real dark. You're gonna be real disoriented. In fact, your whole sense of who you were, your whole sense of identity, how you move about, how you navigate, how you get around, all. All of that is going to come to a complete stop, and you're going to be in darkness, and then you're actually going to turn into this little mush. But when it's all over, when it's all over, you're going to become something that you couldn't have even fathomed becoming. You didn't have the capacity. So if the cocoon could talk, that's what the cocoon could tell you. And we find ourselves in cocoons. It's when God knows that we have to become something else, that the version of who we are right now does not match. The calling, the purpose, the environment, the destiny that you're assigned to. Now, I can't explain that to you because that information revelation wouldn't even fit into the version that you are. It would blow your mind, right? So I just have to let you enter into this cocoon without your permission, because I'm your God. And so what you have to do, first of all, the first time you go through it, you'll learn. And once you go through two or three cocoons, you'll figure it out. But there are things that you have to realize. First of all, it's dark. And so now I have to trust the character of the one who allowed me to go into that cocoon. I gotta do that. I also have to know that it's temporary. It's like, you know, it's not gonna last forever. There's gonna be an emerging. You know, there's several things I have to know that I'm protected. Cause here's the thing, like, even with me working through this trauma, on the next level, I felt like I didn't want nobody to see me, like. Cause, you know, I'm big bad Toray. You know what I mean? I'm leading people. I'm bolder as a lion, you know what I mean? I'm doing business and all that kind of stuff. And I didn't. Like, I didn't feel strong, you know, but. But that's okay. Because, yeah, you are weak, but you're weak under my covering. And me and Sarah, we were talking and we were watching Dave Chappelle's documentary, and he acknowledged not his documentaries. Let me not. Let me tell the truth. I mean, I thought documentary, but it wasn't. It was a kind of a documentary moment at the time, top of his thing where his mother said. He said, my mother taught me something. And she said, sometimes you got to be a lion so that you can be the lamb that you really are. Talking about being bold and then Sarah was like, yeah, you know, and sometimes you got to be a lamb.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

So that you can be the lion that you really are.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And that. That space of me being in this new cocoon where I do feel like I got to be a lamb, or I do feel like I can't be the roaring lion, but I gotta be the sacrificial T so that God can shape me, so that I can come back and be the bold lion that I am. And. But this is the cocoon process. You gotta know that it's temporary. You gotta trust God's heart.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

When you can't see his hand, you know, you gotta know that you're protected in it, you know, and that you're coming out. And when you come out, it's gonna be worth it. You'll kiss the cocoon later.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

You know, but while you're in it, it's not fun.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It's not fun. Now, what do you say to the person who runs from the cocoon phase and continues to repeat the cycles and they're missing that moment to go through the darkness, go through the uneasiness and the uncertainty to get to the other side of that? What do you say to that person who just continues to repeat the cycles?

[Tere Roberts]

I feel them. And I understand how easy it is to do that because it takes courage to submit to a process. I would say to that person, here's the hard truth. You got to get to the other side.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

No, you have to.

[Tere Roberts]

And you're not going to get to the other side going around the mountain, you're going to have to trust God, and it's going to be uncomfortable, and you're going to have to. You're going to have to get naked. You're going to have to get to that place where you are naked and unashamed. And here's the thing, you know, even as it relates to, like, knowing, we were actually born to know. People think that, like, awareness, spiritual awareness, God's voice, intuition, whatever you want to call it is the sixth sense. It ain't the sixth sense. It's the first sense. We were created to know. We were created in the context of the One who is all knowing, and we had a direct flow with him. And in that context, we were naked and unashamed. The moment that the enemy comes in and watch this moves us from knowing with God to wondering or to questioning. He breaks that flow. And now what are we doing? We're naked, and now we're trying to cover ourselves. Now we don't feel Safe. And so part of getting back to who we truly are is recognizing that I am covered. See, here's the thing. God says, who told you you were naked?

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Right.

[Tere Roberts]

He's like, first of all, yeah, you're naked. But who reintroduced what it meant to be bare in front of me to you and made it a negative thing? Who distorted vulnerability, the idea of vulnerability. Who distorted that, you know? And so to that person, I would say God really, really loves you.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yeah.

[Tere Roberts]

And you can show him everything, and you can yield yourself and do whatever it takes to yield to the process. Because if you had just. Just an inkling of an idea of how much God loves you and is into you and is not disappointed in. In you, which is a lie. Because in order to be disappointed, there has to be an ignorance in order for there to be disappointment. And God knew what you were going to do before you did and all this kind of stuff. God's not disappointing you. He has perfect knowledge.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

So he's not disappointed. He loves you. And all he wants is for. He doesn't want from you. He wants for you. Trust the process. And I'll say this prophetically, to that person, God will have people. And don't run from the people that are assigned to your life that make you feel a little uncomfortable. Not about people who judge you. Get rid of them. But I'm talking about people who see you and who challenge you and push you a little bit. Don't run from those people. Those are gifts. And God will always have somebody around you that will see you, speak into you, and be a part of his natural covering. As you walk through this cocoon, get in the cocoon. Get. Don't. Don't run from it. Don't run from it. And don't deliver yourself too early. You'll mature to a place where you're like God, I'm in the fire, and I don't like it. It's hot. But don't take me out one second sooner. I want to be. I want to be done. I want to be done, Lord. Well done. So that I don't have to go back to where I was.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

She said so good, you know. Yes.

[Tere Roberts]

And I can say that because I trust you. Yes. You're not gonna burn me. You're not gonna burn me.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

No.

[Tere Roberts]

You know.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tere Roberts]

But if I get out too soon, I'll be raw.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Exactly. And we don't want that. Oh, goodness. Susceptible to everything.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes. At that point. Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

That is so good. Thank you. Thank you for your time. I'm Excited for everyone to get your book. Can you tell us where we can find it?

[Tere Roberts]

Everywhere. I mean, if you go to torirobbits.com on the website, I'm talking about it. I want the world to have it.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Yes, absolutely. We do too. I know the sweeties are gonna definitely go get it. I have an unofficial book club, so we're gonna read it. Yeah, they. I post books that I'm reading, then they all go buy it. So we'll definitely get on this one as well.

[Tere Roberts]

And whatever. If you want me to zoom in and talk and. Oh, that'd be cool. Whatever you need. Yes. Thank you for having me.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

It's my pleasure. And tell us about your podcast, where we can find that, because we want to tap in.

[Tere Roberts]

Yep. It's called the Called podcast. It's everywhere. YouTube and, of course, on all the audio platforms.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Awesome. We will definitely tap in. Is there anything I may have missed that you want us to know about? I know. Woman evolved. Is it sold out already?

[Tere Roberts]

Yes, but we're doing the overflow, and, you know, the overflow experience is popping.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Let me tell y'. All. Get in the overflow. That's where the podcast is. We have so much fun over there.

[Tere Roberts]

Indeed. And then the called. I don't know when this airs, but the Called conference in Miami. 24th, 25th. That's gonna be crazy.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

What month is that?

[Tere Roberts]

April.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

April. Oh, wow. That's coming up. Okay. Awesome. Yes. I'm really loving everything you're doing with the call. I actually attended your event you had at Art Basel.

[Tere Roberts]

Yes. Thank you.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Phenomenal. I love what you're doing. Bringing people of the faith to their. Into their other gifts. I think that's a beautiful thing. And letting us know that, hey, we can tap into. Into all these different things that God has blessed us with.

[Tere Roberts]

Absolutely.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

So thank you for everything you're doing, Pastor T. Thank you. I appreciate you. And not to be another person that's calling you, asking you for advice, but I'll be calling, asking for advice.

[Tere Roberts]

Stay tuned. And you're modeling. You're modeling everything I stand for.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Thank you so much.

[Tere Roberts]

Congratulations.

[Chris Renee Hazlett]

Thank you. All right, this is good. What I appreciate most about this conversation is the reminder that clarity isn't always loud. Sometimes it's quiet, sometimes it's uncomfortable, and sometimes it requires us to unlearn everything we thought we knew. Terre, thank you so much for your honesty, your perspective, and for showing us that knowing isn't about having all the answers. It's about having the courage to trust yourself, even in the unknown. Thank you all so much for tuning in to another episode of Keep It Positive, sweetie. Be sure to grab your copy of Knowing the Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World wherever books are sold. Don't Forget to download Season 11 KIPS Reflection Sheet Guide at Crystalrene hazel.com subscribe and share this episode with someone who needs it. Hey guys, if you ever need advice or just want to share what you're going through, email us at keepitpositive outcomes gmail.com as always, stay blessed, stay encouraged, and keep it positive, sweetie. I'll see you guys next time. Love y'. All.

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