Taking A Breath & Learning To Rest w/Tammy Franklin

Summary

Keep it Positive, Sweetie — Episode Summary

Podcast: Keep it Positive, Sweetie
Episode: Taking A Breath & Learning To Rest w/ Tammy Franklin
Host: Crystal Renee Hayslett
Guest: Tammy Franklin
Date: November 24, 2024

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Main Theme

This heartfelt episode centers on rest, healing, and the ongoing process of self-discovery, particularly for women whose purpose and identity have often been linked to roles of wife, mother, and supporter. Tammy Franklin, wife of Kirk Franklin and a dynamic force in her own right, joins Crystal Renee Hayslett to talk about learning to prioritize herself, the importance of therapy, generational healing, navigating marriage and motherhood, and finding strength in transparency, faith, and community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tammy’s Backstory and Career

• Tammy recounts her early life as a singer and dancer, including time in the 90s R&B group "Ashanti" and as a choreographer for acts like Next in Minnesota.
  • [00:03] Tammy: “There’s a group called Next. Yeah, I used to choreograph for them.”
• She reflects on being a young, single mother, her creative aspirations, and how God prepared her for her future family and purpose.
  • [23:31] Tammy: "Some people don't know, part of my story has been a single mom... God prepares you for what you're going to do and you have no idea what it is."

2. Marriage, Motherhood, and Identity

• Tammy and Crystal explore how marriage and motherhood can consume women's identities, and the realization—sometimes later in life—about things set aside for family.
  • [20:15] Tammy: “Your dreams, your hopes, everything becomes like… what your kids, their hopes and their dreams, or my husband’s. And I’m there to be a cheerleader.”
• Tammy admits, with candor, the tension between pride in supporting her husband and children and the need for her own fulfillment. She now encourages her daughter-in-law and other women to keep their own identity.
  • [21:23] Tammy: "I raised [my son] to understand that as a husband, she's not there just to serve you... Cultivate her. What does she want to do?"
  • [21:52] Tammy: “When you see this ‘A’ on your neck, I want you to think about yourself.”

3. Marriage with Kirk Franklin: Love, Challenges, and Transparency

• Crystal plays a clip where Kirk Franklin admits he sometimes invested more in the children than in Tammy, driven by his own childhood lacking parental affection.
  • [15:24] Kirk (clip): "These kids cannot feel what I felt. And not having a blueprint for being a daddy, I overdid the daddy."
• Tammy shares her perspective:
  • Early in marriage, she took satisfaction in his dedication to the family.
  • In “empty nest” years, she recognized “deficiencies” in support for her own ambitions and the need for conversation around women’s dreams in faith spaces.
  • [19:01] Tammy: “Growing up in church, especially if you grew up in ministry, the ministry is the most important. And in terms of your role as a wife... that’s your role, home and supporting the ministry.”

4. Advice for Women Desiring Marriage & Single Life

• Tammy encourages women to seek not just a godly man, but an “integral” man (one whose actions match his faith).
  • [27:28] Tammy: “Is he godly? But is he integral? Because there's some men that are godly, but they're not integral.”
  • [27:41] Tammy: “They are using repentance as an excuse to just act a fool. Because God don’t forgive me.”
• She praises Crystal’s self-awareness about not being ready for marriage earlier and stresses the importance of inner healing:
  • [28:41] Tammy: “You have healed eyes and you have a healed heart. And you will attract healed.”
  • Encourages self-work and therapy: “Everybody was like, be the list for yourself, as opposed to expecting someone else to fulfill all of that.” [30:02]

5. The Necessity of Therapy & Breaking Stigmas

• Both women discuss how therapy, paired with faith, transformed their lives:
  • [30:36] Tammy: "It is therapy and Jesus. It is both/and."
  • Tammy candidly describes facing triggers in her 50s and realizing she was newly prepared to process them:
    • [31:41] Tammy: "I was looking at Him a little sideways, like, God, what are we doing? And He's like, you can handle it now. You can handle the answers."
• Tammy strongly advocates for professionally licensed therapy—not just church counseling:
  • [34:36] Tammy: “Go to a licensed therapist... There are a lot of people within ministry who are gifted, but they may not be equipped.”
  • On finances and prioritization: "Like that little shirt you buy, that little shoes... you can put it toward therapy." [35:12]

6. Rest, Self-Care & Learning to Breathe

• Tammy and Crystal highlight the need for real rest—physical, emotional, spiritual—and the importance of being present with oneself.
  • [33:02] Tammy: "Sometimes, you’re walking through the day, you don’t realize you’re holding your breath… So there are times I even tell myself, ‘breathe, breathe.’”
  • Tammy shares how her therapist encourages her to “rest” after sessions, not to immediately process everything.
  • [46:41] Tammy: "Volunteering has helped to keep me grounded," seeing service for others as both a joy and an anchor.
• On releasing emotions:
  • [49:54] Tammy: "There, you know, tears are cleansing and oftentimes we shut them off. Because we don't want to feel."
  • Dancing and music as healing practices.

7. Mother-Daughter Relationships & Community Healing

• Tammy recounts supporting organizations focused on domestic abuse recovery for women and children, inspired by her own childhood experiences.

  • [47:28] Tammy: “Genesis Women's Shelter is an organization... what I love is it’s helping the woman and also the child.”

• She urges parents, especially in church communities, to create safe spaces for open dialogue:

  • [48:14] Tammy: “You gotta let your daughters talk… Especially in Christian households, there are subjects that are taboo… and she may be struggling and cannot come talk to you.”

8. Navigating Criticism & Authentic Faith in Public

• Both Crystal and Tammy discuss facing judgment from faith communities and the public for being transparent, flawed, or "not churchy enough."
  • [36:57] Tammy: “There’s flawed people in the Bible... Why do we require perfectionism? That is man-made. It’s not God.”
  • [41:15] Crystal: "I want my podcast to be a safe space... because that is more like Christ, to invite everybody."
  • On criticism for enjoying mainstream music or non-traditional spiritual practices:
    • [44:33] Tammy: "You're gonna judge me and if I'm saved or not, 'cause you heard that beat drop?"

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Growth and Self-Discovery
  • “What I’m working on is me.” — Tammy Franklin [53:20]
  • "You can be saved, love God, love Jesus, and dance. Have fun and fail." — Tammy Franklin [43:30]
• On Therapy and Healing
  • “It is therapy and Jesus. It is both/and.” — Tammy Franklin [30:36]
  • “Rest. Breathe.” — As advised by Tammy’s therapist [33:02]
• On Legacy and Support
  • “I want to be a mother in love, not horror.” — Tammy Franklin [08:16]
  • “When you see this ‘A’ on your neck, I want you to think about yourself.” — Tammy Franklin [21:52]
• On Safe Spaces for Women
  • “You have got to let your daughters talk. You’ve got to let them be real… That’s when they get in trouble, because you didn’t allow a safe space.” — Tammy Franklin [48:14]
• On Marriage and Integrity
  • “Is he godly? But is he integral? Because there’s some men that are godly, but they’re not integral.” — Tammy Franklin [27:28]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Topic | |-------|--------| | 00:03 | Tammy shares music industry past (Next, Ashanti, Prince stories) | | 04:48 | Tammy describes her children’s marriages and “mother-in-love” philosophy | | 09:47 | Tammy and daughter Carrington’s SiriusXM show | | 14:45 | Crystal plays Kirk’s clip on investing in children vs. spouse | | 19:01 | Tammy reflects on women's roles in ministry/family | | 20:15 | Sacrifice of dreams for family | | 21:52 | The story of the gift to daughter-in-law: “A for Alina” | | 27:28 | What to look for in a partner: integrity, not just faith | | 30:36 | Importance of therapy + faith together | | 33:02 | Learning to rest, breathe, process trauma physically/emotionally | | 36:57 | Transparency & flaws in faith communities | | 41:15 | Creating safe, inclusive spaces and evolving authenticity | | 44:33 | Embracing joy: music, dancing, owning individuality | | 46:41 | Volunteering and supporting domestic violence organizations | | 49:54 | The healing power of dance, music, and tears | | 53:20 | Tammy’s next chapter: focusing on herself and future possibilities |

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Tone and Style

This episode is warm, open, and deeply encouraging. Both host and guest model vulnerability and laughter while tackling hard truths—reflecting the show’s core values of purpose and healing. There’s an equal embrace of faith and the real work of therapy, with practical wisdom for women of all ages walking through marriage, motherhood, or singleness.

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Summary for Listeners

If you’re a woman navigating life’s transitions—wondering how to prioritize yourself after years of giving, needing permission to rest, or seeking encouragement for your marriage, motherhood, or healing—this conversation with Tammy Franklin is a balm. You’ll find honest talk on generational patterns, actionable wisdom on mental health, and a contagious sense of hope that, no matter your story, you’re not alone and your evolution is both necessary and beautiful.

Transcript

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Coming up on Keep It Positive, sweetie.

[Tammy Franklin]

There's a group called Next. Yeah, I used to choreograph for them.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You are kidding me now? Did you do too close?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Step back at the.

[Tammy Franklin]

I didn't do that, but I was a. I was in the studio when, like, that was actually recorded.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Are you kidding me?

[Tammy Franklin]

I am not kidding.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love Next. I grew up to Next. I was, like, in junior high, high school.

[Tammy Franklin]

So we all lived in Minnesota at the time. So our manager was the same manager as at the time is mint condition.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so you got a story to tell.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Hello, I'm Chris Renee Hayslett, and this is Keep It Positive, sweetie. A safe space to heal, laugh, grow, and love. Season six is officially here, and I am so excited about how it will unfold. For decades, Tami Franklin has been the backbone of one of music's most prolific artists and global creative forces. Kirk Franklin, in retrospect and real talk, she is all a force of her own. In recent years, Tammy has branched out into more public speaking, along with hosting television and radio shows, which have allowed her to share her powerful testimony perspective, while also exposing audiences and fans to her infectious personality. As a wife, mom, glam mom, and encourager of women around the world, Tammy Franklin personifies womanhood, wisdom, and winning. I am so grateful we get to talk about how Tammy has withstood the storms of her past, how she's embracing her present, and how she's bracing herself for the blessings in the future ahead. Tammy Franklin, everyone. Tammy, thank you so much for coming.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm glad to be here.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

We've been trying to do this.

[Tammy Franklin]

We've been doing. Yes. Been trying to do this for a while, so I'm excited to come sit on your couch and chat with you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Me too. I've been wanting you to come on. We had Kirk on, and there was a few questions I asked him. He's like, you got to ask Tammy. And I was like, you know what?

[Tammy Franklin]

I am going to ask her. How about that?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

So I was excited to get you here. I just love you. Like, you have the most beautiful spirit. You're always pleasant from the moment I met you. So just thank you. Thank you for saying that.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm the same about you. I mean, first of all, I'm a Sisters fan. So when you were added to the cast, I mean, all of you ladies are beautiful.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

Was just something about you. I was like, oh, she's so. I just love her. Plus, you know, the whole character anyway, it's just dope. So I'm like, when I met you in person. I was like, first of all, you are gorgeous.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Thank you. Oh, you too.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tammy Franklin]

Like, I mean, beautiful on pictures, but in person does not do your pictures any justice. But to meet you in person just. I was like, oh, yeah, she's grounded. You can tell.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

She.

[Tammy Franklin]

I mean, the stardom is nice.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

But I could just sense your intentionality with wanting to stay who you are.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I love when I meet women, especially a beautiful woman who is so self aware.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

That, that's. I could just sense that. It was really.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

It was very important. I'm a country girl, so I like, for me, it was very important to keep my family to the ground. Martin, Tennessee.

[Tammy Franklin]

Okay. Yeah, I hear it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Martin, Tennessee.

[Tammy Franklin]

I hear the southern. You know, I'm a Texas.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Texas girl.

[Tammy Franklin]

That's right. I love Southern girls. Yes. Southern girls.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes. Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I remember the first time I met you all. We were at the grand opening of the new studio, Tyler Perry Studios. And we were at the brunch and I told Kirk that I was like, where'd you get those shrimp and grits? And he gave me his plate. And you like, girl, you better take them grits. And I was like, is it okay? You're like, girl, take them. So they were very good. Thank you. And I didn't have to wait that long.

[Tammy Franklin]

I love that you reminded us of that. Cause I remember the moment. But to know that it was me, it was me.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Cause nobody knew who I was then.

[Tammy Franklin]

That's so dope.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that I was still styling Tyler at that moment. I had a very small role on Sistas, but nobody knew that. Oh, that's the girl from Sistas. I was not her yet. Yeah, it was so funny. Cause all the girls were there and everybody knew who they were. And I was just kind of in the back. Like nobody knew who I was. But I was in the room though.

[Tammy Franklin]

But you have to mind now.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, come on.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That's what God does.

[Tammy Franklin]

Hello. Say hello.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What about you, Tammy? Congratulations on your son's new marriage. You done got two kids married. We gotta get Kennedy married.

[Tammy Franklin]

Well, baby, my son is a whole husband.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

A whole husband. How do you feel about that tattoo? Married?

[Tammy Franklin]

I think as a. As a mom, you desire. You pray for. I prayed for my children's. The spouses that they have already didn't necessarily know I was praying for them specifically, but I think, you know, when you are a mom and you want your kids to find someone who. To do life with, who is suitable for Them. And then, you know, you have the opportunity. What I'm getting the opportunity to do now is to see the things that I've poured into them because they're not perfect, but they're. They're. They're good. They're good adults. They're good spouses. And so my. But my baby boy. But you know something? I. I always told my husband that he was going to marry early.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Really? Because I knew he was gonna. How do you pronounce your son's name?

[Tammy Franklin]

Keziah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Keziah. Yes. Okay.

[Tammy Franklin]

I knew it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You know, what was it about him that you like. I know this one's gonna marry at a young age.

[Tammy Franklin]

Very mature, very relational, driven. He was the one, like, even when dating, that I would have to remind, hey, we're not at forever yet.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, he's like, me.

[Tammy Franklin]

Is that true?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes. I'm the one that's gonna be like. So I'm, like, already writing, like, to see how her last name goes. His last name goes. And my name.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm like, I think Keziah's being a. He was able to kind of tap into that, because typically, you're right, it's the girl. Because, baby, we have our weddings planned out before we done met him in junior high. We got the names and all this, but it was just something about him. And then his faith compass was very, very strong. The way he regarded, I would say, girls because he was young, and then later women. He was always intentional dating with a purpose.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

That was his mindset. And so I remember telling my husband, probably, I want to say, as early as junior high.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

You knew it.

[Tammy Franklin]

I said, oh, he's gonna. He's gonna marry early. I see him doing maybe because he has my husband's gift times 10.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

He's instrumentally inclined. I saw it. Musically inclined. Amazing.

[Tammy Franklin]

And he's. But he's also a speaker. He's a writer. And so he's left and right brain. He was an athlete and a. I mean, that's incredible. He's a. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Unicorn. Like, a lot of unique.

[Tammy Franklin]

A unicorn.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And God showed me even how to pray for him. I mean, pray for all my kids, but. And pray for them in specific ways with him. I was like, oh, he's right and left brain. That means his mind's always going to. Oh, my God.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I feel like that's my brother. Like, are we related? Cause, like, you look like my people.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Cause I'm like, literally, like, I feel like maybe he's My cousin or something. Because I feel like I'm all over the place.

[Tammy Franklin]

Really?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes. I'm creative, but I'm very analytical.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

It's. Our brains are.

[Tammy Franklin]

We might need to check on the bloodline.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

But no, I identify with that. I totally understand what you're saying, but.

[Tammy Franklin]

To see them married is just, you know. And Kennedy's seriously dating.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes, Kennedy.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I like him.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Good.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, and I was. I saw my parents when I married, and I think Kirk being adopted, they took it even an extra step. They became his parents, too. And so that was modeled for me. And I'm that type of mother in law. I want to be a mother in love and not, you know, horror.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Right.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so it's been. I've been. It's been really important to me that Alina, my son's wife, she is so.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I know she's a woman, but she's just adorable, isn't she?

[Tammy Franklin]

Them together, I call them chocolate granola. They just. They real, like, they are perfect Birkenstocks. Yes. You know, they're all tree climbing and all the things. And so. But it was. It just was really important to me. In fact, I did a post of my intentionality towards her and her. Her mother passed. And so I've been praying like, God, what am I supposed to be to her? This is a very unique, you know, set of circumstances. And so it was just important to me that I be intentional with fostering relationship with her.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

Never wanting her to feel like she ever needed to compete with me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Nor put my son in the position of feeling like he had to choose.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so it was just really important to me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I look at that and I love how you have relationships with all your children.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And it's so beautiful to watch. Thank you. I've actually gotten to see firsthand with you and Kennedy when you're here in Atlanta, but with your son and with your older daughter. You all have a podcast or radio show together.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yes. Carrington.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Carrington.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah. We have a show on SiriusXM that's amazing. And it's in real life with Tammy and Carrington, so it's fun.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What was the inspiration behind that? What made you guys say, hey, let's do this?

[Tammy Franklin]

Honestly, we would do, like, because on my husband's station, Kirk Franklin's Prayer. And so we would do like one off shows, like special shows. And the series came to us and was like, hey, you know, people are saying this would be a really cool weekly show. And so that's Kind of how it branched off. We would do like a Mother's Day special, a Father's Day special, and. But we wanted it, of course, to be faith based. But also we wanted to introduce our audience to maybe things in the culture. You know, something like imposter syndrome.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

That's the thing.

[Tammy Franklin]

Things like that were, you know, not necessarily spoken about in a faith based space. And so that's why we named it in real life, so we wouldn't be, like, pigeonheled to, like, what we could talk about. We talk about, you know, from dating to mother in law drama to, you know, all the things. And it's fun because I get a chance to see my daughter.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Blossom.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Because she has her own family now.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Two beautiful children.

[Tammy Franklin]

Girl, I'm a Lovey.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Lovey? That's your name?

[Tammy Franklin]

I was like, what's my name?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

Lovey. And my husband is boss.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Boss.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yep.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Those kids are.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Y' all just have some beautiful offspring. Like, it just kept going. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. What was that transition like, going from, like, being a mother to your children and now they're adults?

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, God has gifted me in a way, and I know it was. There are times in your life in which you know the realness of God and the way I was. I got married at 25. I was a baby.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That was my goal.

[Tammy Franklin]

That was my.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I'm 42 now.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, what didn't happen?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

25 is what I told the Lord.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, I think 27, 30, like the earliest. But yeah. Cause I was. I mean, there's so much. And I'm, you know, be 55 this year and.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Hold on, hold on.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

No, no, no, no.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Time out.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What's the secret? What's the water, the well you're drinking out of?

[Tammy Franklin]

What if you see my mama?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes, yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, I see your mama.

[Tammy Franklin]

The gene pool. Thank you, Jesus. Right? Thank you, Jesus. Black cracks a little slower.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It does.

[Tammy Franklin]

It does crack a little slower.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Congratulations.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, I eat good. Right. I exercise, I try to eliminate stress. So that's, you know, and I think it helps that we're tiny people. Tiny people just tend to look younger.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, true. I can see that.

[Tammy Franklin]

But the transition into adulthood. So I've always had this plan that. That would. I took motherhood like that seriously.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

So I was like, it is my responsibility to foster and usher them into adulthood. And so I always planned for it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah. Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

But I know at 25, like, who thinks like that? Right? You know, short of the Holy Spirit, I know for a fact God like, was downloading that, you know, into me. And so I'm still their mother. I'm more of a friend now.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that I ain't one of your little friends.

[Tammy Franklin]

I used to say that, but now I'll be like, okay, we friends now.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

We friends now.

[Tammy Franklin]

And it's so funny. Cause they're like, oh, my gosh, now that we're in the, like, friend zone of our mother, daughter, or mother son relationship, they're like, you telling us everything.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You just.

[Tammy Franklin]

We didn't know this. This is new, you know, because, you know, it's like, well, welcome to adulthood now.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You know that.

[Tammy Franklin]

That cousin was crazy. Yep, yep. You know, and they like. And now they're saying things. But I've always wanted my kids to feel so comfortable, and I wanted to be approachable. Even when they would tell me things that, you know, I was clutching my pearls on the inside, but on the outside, they gonna see I got you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

Ain't nothing you can't tell me.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, that is beautiful.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

So it's been. It's. It's been. They're my little homies. They're my friends.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I see it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

My girls are my. Some of my best friends. I mean, I have, you know, best friends, but, you know, my son is so close, and there's something about a mother son relationship in which he sees me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

In a way, I was like, am I blushing like a little school girl? Because he just. He's always letting me know that he sees me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Very mindful.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yes.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that. I love that. Now, we had Kirk on, and he talked about how not having a father and mother was not as present, how hard it was for him, and how he put so much emphasis in the children.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And I asked him on the show, I was like, kirk, do you. I said, how did Tammy feel about that? And he said, well, you have to ask Tammy.

[Tammy Franklin]

I have to ask Tammy.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah. I want you to watch this clip of what he said, and I want to get your thoughts, because I really. I was like, I'm going to ask her.

[Tammy Franklin]

Okay.

[Kirk Franklin]

Even to the fault, I can be honest and say, and I've never said this on anything before, and I even say, and I'll be transparent here to say, is that even to a fault, that a lot of times I realize now that they were empty, nesting. I probably invested even more into them right then. I even sometimes did her because with her, the natural man to do thing is always the red bottoms, the car, the houses.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Kirk Franklin]

The Purses, you know. You know, you're always doing the things that you think are the things, and.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That'S not the things, and they're not.

[Kirk Franklin]

The things, you know, and so I am guilty of that. I am extremely guilty of that, you know, and, you know, it's not intentional. It's just what you end up doing because you're so busy trying to make it. And then when you come from poverty, you know, you think that these things are the things that matter. But also, it was a lot for me, a lot of the attention was, these kids cannot feel what I felt. They cannot feel what I felt. And not having a blueprint for being a daddy, I overdid the daddy. You know what I mean? You know, it's like I would come in from the studio, you know, three or four o' clock in the morning, and sit up and sit up in the chair so I wouldn't fall asleep, so I could take him to school in a while, you know, because, like, they cannot feel it. They cannot feel it. And so that's what drove me.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, but, but in all that, you feel like you was neglecting Tammy as well?

[Kirk Franklin]

It's.

[Tammy Franklin]

I don't.

[Kirk Franklin]

Well, that would be for her to say, you know, you know. Well, yeah, you know, but, but, but, but whatever she may feel, I look back and go, you know, man, I did not learn. And then it's also the thing is that, you know, some things are taught, some things are.

[Tammy Franklin]

So now I have a sheriff. Yeah. You said, ask Tammy.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Ask Tammy. Did you? Because I thought about that, you know, as a child whose parents worked really hard to give me everything that I wanted and needed. There were often times where I needed them in other ways, not like how he said, the red bottles, the purses, the cards. I needed other things. And those were not the things I needed.

[Tammy Franklin]

Or the things you got.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes, or the things you got. Yeah. So was there times where you felt neglected as a wife because he was putting so much emphasis on the career, on the kids?

[Tammy Franklin]

I think that when you're in it, you don't necessarily recognize it like that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Him wanting to. And I would say this, if anybody has fallen madly and deeply in love with his story.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

To the point of wanting to protect him. I think that as a wife, you kind of, you know, and so I think for me, you know, listening to that clip and really kind of, you know, thinking about it, I remember when it. When I watched it, when it first came out, but I hadn't seen it in a while. And so I think Initially, I cheered him on. I applauded the fact, you know, what woman doesn't want an involved father?

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, that's true.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

But now, on the opposite end of that, at empty nesting stage, you know, I do see where there was deficiency. And I believe that probably a lot of couples that you sit with, a wife would say, yeah, I don't think nobody can beat a woman.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

So.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

No, can't nobody be supporting.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, to a fault.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, that's true.

[Tammy Franklin]

To a fault.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so that's real, you know, and it's like now, you know, at 29 years of marriage, do I see there were deficiencies with regards to support of me or pushing me? What would you, you know, like to do? And then two. We grew up in an era because I'm. I'm not mad at him for it. We grew up in an era in which, especially if you grew up in church and ministry, the ministry is what.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Is, you know, the most vital, the most important. And in terms of your role as a wife.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Right.

[Tammy Franklin]

That's your role is home and supporting the ministry. So it's like supporting husband, but the ministry is added.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

It adds a whole.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It does.

[Tammy Franklin]

Other layer. So in my mind, this is what I'm called to do. This is my ministry.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That's a beautiful perspective.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, so I'm not necessarily mad about it. You know what I mean? I love that my husband traveled a whole lot and his desire was that we not be apart any more than two. I'm about to say two years, child. Well, no. Two years, two weeks.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, that's good. You had boundaries.

[Tammy Franklin]

And he didn't want any more than two weeks of being apart from me. And then, you know, my kids needed normalcy, and so it worked best for us that I be at home and, you know, do I wish I would have done some things different? It's kind of like both. And. Yeah, I wouldn't change anything, but then I would change some things.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What would you, like, if there's anything that you would have, like, Tammy, you should have done this. Or I would have done this differently.

[Tammy Franklin]

Just more emphasis and thought to. What is it that I would like to do as a woman? Your. Your dreams, your hopes, everything becomes like, what, your kids, you know, it's their hopes and their dreams.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It is.

[Tammy Franklin]

Or my husband's.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I'm there to, like, be a cheerleader and how we gonna make it happen.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because like I said, can't nobody beat.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Us a woman's support. It's so true.

[Tammy Franklin]

Can't nobody beat a woman support. But what it has informed me me Crystal, is I'm able now to tell my daughter in law.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

I was shared with you a story. I was going to. I wanted her to have a special gift from me. And I bought her a necklace and I was going to buy her an F symbolizing Franklin. And I took a step back and I said, no, I'm going to get her an A for Alina. Because of what I have experienced, I now can share with my new daughter in law other women. Hey. And my son. I raised him.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

I raised him to understand that as a husband, she's not there just to serve you and your hopes and your dreams. Cultivate her. What does she want to do? Make sure you're asking her often. And with Alina, the gift I gave her, with that a, I wrote a little note to her and I said, I know right now you're trying to think about how can I be suitable, adaptable. All the things, Keziah. All the things wife. And I said, I want you. When you see this A on your neck, I want you to think about yourself. But I wouldn't have known to do that.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You wouldn't have known to do that?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

Had I not gone through it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That's gold.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I love that. I love that. Oh.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

So talking about things that you put to the side when you became a wife, a lot of people don't know this, but you, you was a sanga. I sang a little bit, yes. That is incredible. I did not. I was like, wait, she was what?

[Tammy Franklin]

She's now.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Did you ever ask her to be in the family? Girl? No. She said girl.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

No.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because they sang. I sing. Okay. There's a difference. Yes. I was in a little group called Ashanti.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And we. Some people may remember this. I saw this on like a. You know how there's these different IG pages. This page was like all like old R and B music.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes, yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

And we had a really big single. We were signed to Scottie brothers Records.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

And we had this single that was a reply to R. Kelly. And ours was There is something wrong with lil bumping. So it was like cute.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

That is so cute.

[Tammy Franklin]

It got like pretty big. Wow.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Can I get. Did it go? Give me a little bit.

[Tammy Franklin]

Oh, gosh, girl.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Cuz I know how. I don't see nothing wrong with a little.

[Tammy Franklin]

There is something wrong with a little bump. So I always went like.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

So it was like the gospel version.

[Tammy Franklin]

It wasn't possible cuz we weren't singing gospel music.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, okay.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah. You know, this was before girls group. Girls groups were like trying to be.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Overly sexy and things.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so for me, a lot of people don't know. Part of my story has been a single mom. When Kirk and I married, I had Carrington and he had Carry On.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

So they were 5 and 6 and Kirk did legally adopt her.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so, you know, for me, it was a way to take care of my daughter. I didn't. I've always. You know, it's funny how God prepares you for what you're going to do and you have no idea what it is.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Like, what are you preparing for.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so even within the group, I was the one that did the choreography. I was the one that did, like, our outfits. There's a group called Next.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

I used to choreograph for Next.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You are kidding me now? Did you do too close? Step back.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Get this.

[Tammy Franklin]

I didn't do that. But I was like, I was in the studio when like that was actually recorded.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Are you kidding me?

[Tammy Franklin]

I am not kidding.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love Next. I grew up to Next. I was like in junior high, high school next year.

[Tammy Franklin]

So we all lived in Minnesota at the time. So our manager was the same manager at the time as Mint Condition.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so you got a story to tell. I've been around Prince. I mean, it was girl 21, not a care in the world, living in Minnesota. But let me God, even in that we rather than going like to New York or la, Minnesota was the most family friendliest. They closed at midnight.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And we were in church like we were in choir girl. We would have on our little fishnet pantyhose and hot pants, you know, under our dress for Wednesday night service. And then we going to like, we going to Glamor. Zika's Princess club was Glam Slam. We going to Glam Slam.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Y' all was ready for it.

[Tammy Franklin]

Girl was ready, ready. The church would come and see us perform. I love that. It was a time.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

That Tammy, you know, took me back memory lane.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Listen, honey, you need to write a book. Have you thought about that?

[Tammy Franklin]

It has been suggested to me often.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That was another one.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, you should.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so, yeah, I think I would.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Love to read your journey.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah, I did also actually did a forward for a book and the agent said, hey, have you thought about, you know, writing? I don't know. We'll see. I got more time on my hands now.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes, yes, you do. That would be dope. Add Author to your resume. I like that.

[Tammy Franklin]

I think so.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Okay. Awesome. Okay. So, you know, I am 42. I said I wanted to be married by 25.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

That didn't happen.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

As a woman, you know, I'm in the industry, and I'm a Southern woman, so I was raised in the church. I know about being submissive. I know about being a helpmate and all the things that you.

[Tammy Franklin]

All the things.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

All the things.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I mean, all the things.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And for a long time, I felt like God. At first, I was questioning, like, God, why haven't you. You blessed me with everything else but this thing. What is it? And then I had to take a step back, and I realized I wasn't ready for that thing. And now I feel like I'm in a space where I am ready for it. And I want to know if you could tell me, because I know you so into your daughters, what would you tell a young woman who is desiring marriage?

[Tammy Franklin]

And you remind me so much of my daughter.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Tammy Franklin]

Ask the question.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What would you tell someone who is desiring marriage later on in life or even now? Because women, this dating culture is ghetto. I hear it's very ghetto.

[Tammy Franklin]

I hear it's trash.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And I'm so sorry for y'.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

All. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm real sorry. Yes, man.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

My producer's over here. She's, like, very trash.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm so sorry, Sheree.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

It's gonna be okay.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I need these mamas to not raise trash.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Come on.

[Tammy Franklin]

That was my. My plan.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

You will be integral.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes, exactly.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I think that's the one of the first things. Is, is he godly?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Tammy Franklin]

But is he integral? Because there's some men that are godly, but they're not integral.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That is so true.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

They not.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And they are using repentance as an excuse. What, to just act a fool? Because God don't forgive me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, and it's, like, so first and foremost godly, but integral. What's his character?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

That's so good. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, in the smallest and little of the things, you know, we think it needs to watch how, you know, the bigger things.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Watch the small things.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Watch the really, really small things. I love the fact, Crystal, that you. You wanted something, but recognized that you. That you weren't ready for it. I love. And I think to me, that meant that you have done a lot of soul searching.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

And you've done. You've done, like, inner work that helps ward off foolishness.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because you're probably going to have some foolishness.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

Along the way.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

You have.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so now at 42, even though that wasn't your plan.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. You.

[Tammy Franklin]

You have. You have healed eyes and you have a healed heart.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

And you will attract healed.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

I received and not. We all gonna come with some trauma.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

We all gonna. Girl. I've been. I've been in therapy on my own for that for a year now.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I'm learning same.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah. I just started like a year ago too.

[Tammy Franklin]

So there will be. You're going. You're going to come with trauma. He's going to come with some trauma. But you will attract more of a healed person.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because you've done the work.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yep.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I realized that I was attracting exactly who I was and I was like, oh, my gosh. And David, man. Him and Tamla did my live show and he told everybody, make a list of what you want in your mate and then become the list. Because a lot of times we have.

[Tammy Franklin]

I saw that. I thought that was so powerful.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, my God.

[Tammy Franklin]

Especially coming from a man.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yep.

[Tammy Franklin]

But David is a. He's a girl's dad.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so I think that it. That informs his lens how to think like that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because I mean, typically that. I think that's a woman way of thinking.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I thought it was so. It was so powerful. But it was especially powerful coming from him.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It was.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That was. I was like, like, ah. I'm taking that note.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Everybody was like, be the list for yourself.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

As opposed to expecting someone else to fulfill.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

All of that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

The immature crystal is definitely looking for someone else to fulfill all those things.

[Tammy Franklin]

You deserve it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

You do. You deserve the healed side of you.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

And a. And a mate.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And a lot of times I don't think I even realized that I wasn't healed and how much trauma I was holding onto until I got into therapy. I was like, what? Listen, it opens up.

[Tammy Franklin]

I would need people to understand. It is therapy and Jesus.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Can you say it again?

[Tammy Franklin]

It is therapy and Jesus.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Thank you.

[Tammy Franklin]

It is both. And. And it's hard. It's a process. It is A lot of times people like, you know, oh, I went to a couple of sessions. Oh, you didn't do. That was cute.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That was not the work, honey.

[Tammy Franklin]

That was consultation.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes, exactly. Yeah. You got to get in the thick of it.

[Tammy Franklin]

You got to get in there. And we've always utilized therapy for our marriage. And I've always been open, like, to counsel, whether it be even on my own before I was married, whether it be getting with my youth pastor, getting with, like, someone older, woman that I trusted. So seeking help wasn't foreign to me. And then, you know, you get married at 25, and so now you're utilizing therapy for marriage. But it was. I'm like, lord Jesus, why would you allow me to get in my 50s and have all of a sudden all these triggers? And I'm trying to figure out, where are they coming from?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I kind of was looking at him a little sideways, like, God, what we doing? And he was like, you can handle it now. You can handle the answers.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You can handle it now.

[Tammy Franklin]

You can handle the answers.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

My God.

[Tammy Franklin]

Younger Tammy wasn't ready.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Was not ready.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

That's real messaging that you receive, especially as women.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

The messaging that we received, messaging that you received unknowingly. They didn't mean any. Any harm. They love us. And my parents. My messaging was, I was, you're strong. You're strong. And so oftentimes it has informed how I lived throughout the world. And often I would take on everybody's affirmities. I'm strong.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

You can handle it.

[Tammy Franklin]

You handle it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And that also means you're taking on abuse at times. You're taking on being. Being something you were never intended to be.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, that's real. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And when I tell you this here therapy session, there are days, what I love about my therapist, she was like, I don't want you to process it all for the next couple of days. Rest.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

And she'll text me, rest, Rest. Breathe.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, rest.

[Tammy Franklin]

There are times you walking through the day, you don't realize you're holding your breath because you're like. There's so much tension, literally trauma in your body that it's like, it's real. So there are times I even tell myself, breathe, Breathe.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, that's real.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I just did a retreat, and we had a meditation lady, and she did a session. She goes, take deep breaths. She said, we live in a world of shallow breathers because everybody's like this. And she said, you don't even realize that you're not breathing. Like, take a deep breath and let it out. And I'm like, oh.

[Tammy Franklin]

I was like, it's so simple, but it's so real.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And you don't realize it because you go through life just like, just holding on to everything.

[Tammy Franklin]

One day, I was at a red light and didn't realize. I was like white knuckling the steering wheel, and I was like this.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I was like, breathe. And I just. And I released.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I feel it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, my.

[Tammy Franklin]

And then I have to ask myself, I'm learning through therapy. What is it that you need? What is it that you want?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

What is it that you have not processed? Because all that. That tension is coming from somewhere.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It is. Yeah. It really is.

[Tammy Franklin]

It's coming from somewhere. So people come on therapy and Jesus. And quit. Quit making people feel shameful that they're not. That they don't have faith.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

If they.

[Tammy Franklin]

If they need therapy. And then let me say this, and some of the saints won't get mad at me. Okay.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That'd be all right.

[Tammy Franklin]

Go to a licensed.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

Therapist.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

There are a lot of people within ministry that are gifted. They are. Yeah, they're gifted, but they may not be equipped.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Equipped to go take that deep dive.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

That you really, really need.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Exactly.

[Tammy Franklin]

We got a whole bunch of people walking around still broken, and they're like, why did I talk to Sister? So. And so I went to my pastor or my mentor. That's great.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

That's good.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That's.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I love it. You need to go deeper. Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That's so true. And it helps.

[Tammy Franklin]

Like, and that little shirt that you buy, that little shoes that you buy, you can put it towards therapy, but.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. With people like, I can't afford it.

[Tammy Franklin]

I can't afford it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You just gonna have to do without something.

[Tammy Franklin]

How about no coffee? No. You know, for a little bit.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Just a little bit.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Just a little bit.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And just try it. I mean, I always say, you know, I've never met a person unless they just really, really didn't want to be there.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

That didn't try it and feel like it was beneficial and helpful.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. No. Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Every person that I know that has tried is like, oh, my goodness, why'd I wait so long?

[Tammy Franklin]

I like that about myself right now I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm finally on my own therapy journey. And why didn't I do this sooner? And it wasn't like I was against it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Right.

[Tammy Franklin]

I think, you know, distracted by life, raising kids. You know, a husband who is a lot. Him. Him a lot.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Him a lot.

[Tammy Franklin]

And leads with his trauma.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

So his became.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

What we need to do. Yes. And now I'm taking care of Tammy.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I know. Yes to taking care of Tammy. I love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

Taking care of little Tammy. Renee. We got the same.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

We do say middle name. It's my sister from another vista.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Okay.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Speaking of mental health, your marriage. I know, like, a lot of Things that Kirk has been in the light and even with the church and I'm going through it, I've gone through it. The more I become vocal about my relationship with Christ and still being flawed and being transparent about those flaws, there's a lot of ridicule that has come.

[Tammy Franklin]

There's flawed people in the Bible.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Hello.

[Tammy Franklin]

All off in it. Why do we require perfectionism? It is a. That is man made. It's not God.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And that's what I really try to encourage people that walk away.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

From God. People hurt you.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Tammy Franklin]

People hurt me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

They do.

[Tammy Franklin]

God didn't.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What have you done to, like, stay strong when you see the comments? Cause I know for me, when I see comments, I be ready to clap back and you know, like, what. What have. Like, how do you keep it?

[Tammy Franklin]

I need to clap back to Kennedy. I know that's right.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

He's like, don't worry about mom.

[Tammy Franklin]

I got it. Kennedy ready for the smoke. But she is so her daddy. She ready for the smoke. Want the smoke?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Four, ten and just. I call her my little Chihuahua. Is she ready? I am more contemplative.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Really.

[Tammy Franklin]

I am now when it. But when it comes to my kids.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That'S a different story.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

But I'm still. That's just my personality. I'm gonna take us. I'm always gonna take a step back. I'm gonna take a beat back. There are times in which I really, really want to, like, go in and say, oh, you're so misinformed.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And then I'm like, I am trying to explain myself or I want to explain myself.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

To strangers.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Why?

[Tammy Franklin]

This is not my circle.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Right. And I had to check myself. Krista, you do not know these people. They don't really know you.

[Tammy Franklin]

And right now there is such a. It's a weirdness going on. Like you mentioned about, you know, the more you're vocal with your faith. There, There is. It is a legalistic, offensive, judgmental spirit. And I call it a spirit. It is because it's like you are giving me man made requirements. God is not requiring this of me. One time, something as simple as I was, this girl did like incredible nails. They were Thanksgiving nails, like, long. But a girl, she had a turkey and all.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love when they did it.

[Tammy Franklin]

I posted it, Tammy. It is evil and not of God. So I had the time that day.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

See, some days I got see you. My kind of girl. I had time.

[Tammy Franklin]

I said, you mean to tell me that God that made all these animals to the point there Are some we have never seen before. All the beautiful skylines and trees. Our creative God.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Is mad about creativity. And I said, stop asking at adding to salvation. Stop it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

See my.

[Tammy Franklin]

You gonna put this on? And I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I guess I was raised so etiquette. And sometimes I. It gets on my dirt on nerves. I'm one. I'll DM a person just because I'm like, I'm gonna read you. But I'm. But I was like, no, we gonna put it in the thread. You put it on. You went to my.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

So I'm gonna give it to you. Right.

[Tammy Franklin]

I decided.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

But I mean. And I know that was simple. That wasn't about, you know, my family.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

But that I'm. That is a depiction of the weirdness I'm talking about.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

How do you call.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You take that. How do you even get that from that?

[Tammy Franklin]

So what do you. That little tiny thing. So what do you. How are you treating people in the earth? Like, we're supposed to be hands and feet.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And we are not reflective at all. And we're losing people. We're losing.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

We are. We are. And I was. I spoke about it at Woman Evolve. And I said, you know, it got to the point where, like, even my podcast, I was like, I want to rebrand everything. I said, it's getting too churchy. I was like, I want to just be me. Because, like, if y' all gonna ridicule me and criticize me, I might as well just be me. And like, not even, like, try, you.

[Tammy Franklin]

Know, and not try to be authentically you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Exactly. That's crazy. Literally. Because I told her. I was like, I feel like I'm not. I'm losing myself. I was like. Cause I'm like, I know who I am. I know what I believe. And I'm trying to tell you guys, this is where I am. So that people who are not quite there and maybe like, further behind than I am, they need to get to where I am can know that. Oh, I got somewhere I can start. You know, like, that's.

[Tammy Franklin]

We're all supposed to be that.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah. I was like, oh, my goodness. I was like, you know what I call the crass? I'm never talking about dating again. I was like, I'm not going to talk about this, this, this. I was like. Because people just act like they have never lived. I was like, they've been saints their entire life. And I was like, I can't do it. So I told my team I Was like, listen. I was like, I wanna. I was like, bring on gunna. I said I want everybody. I said, I want my podcast to.

[Tammy Franklin]

Be a safe space guest. Honestly, can bring something. Something. Because everybody has a story.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Everybody.

[Tammy Franklin]

Everybody has a story. And you can't be one dimensional. And the people that you bring on.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I was like, we have everybody over here welcoming. Because I said I want. That is more like Christ to invite everybody. I want everybody. I can still be who I am. And hopefully when you leave this sofa, you're inspired to be like, hey, let me.

[Tammy Franklin]

But how. How strong is your faith if you can't be around and talk to people.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Right.

[Tammy Franklin]

That don't believe like you.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Exactly.

[Tammy Franklin]

That's how I feel.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

No, for sure.

[Tammy Franklin]

How strong is it?

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

That we gonna. You're gonna lose it from one conversation.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Right.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You're gonna use.

[Tammy Franklin]

Lose it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I'm not.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

At all.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah. That's. I'm so glad. I mean, I get it, though. There are times I want to delete. All I'm. All I'm on is Instagram. I can't. I can't do the Twitter Twatter. The Tiki Talky. I can do all of that. I sound so old. But there are times I want to delete the app.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Same. I do a little fast because it becomes too much.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

I do that as well. I also have set boundaries for myself. If I decide to venture into the comments. I don't do it because you can see how many hours old something is.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

So I don't do it past like three hours.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Okay. That's good. I never thought about that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

That's good.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah. It's like, that's enough.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because, I mean, I allow myself to read the comments at times because there are times in which the comments bless me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

You know, to know that my reason for being on the platform.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Initially was to spy on my kids.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

But I recognize what the platform affords me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so I want to be inspiration.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

I want to be encouragement. I want to show that you can be saved. Love God, love Jesus and dance. Have fun and fail.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

That's what I want to show.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And you do that.

[Tammy Franklin]

Thank you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You do that very well. Like, I love when you're. While I watch your workout videos and you're dancing and I'm like.

[Tammy Franklin]

Well, it's like some people have a problem with the fact that I just don't work out to Christian music.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

See, I can't now. There's some days where I might just Play a whole Maverick City album on the treadmill.

[Tammy Franklin]

There are days where I'm like, we praise and worshiping today.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

As I squat. Because.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And some days I need that.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah. Sometimes I need like. It's like. Cause if it ain't fun, I'm not coming. I don't want to be in the gym anyway. Right. And so. But it's like. And I'm so thankful to my parents that they raised me around all genres of music.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Mine too.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm mindful of what I let into my spirit. Just depending on where I'm at.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

For sure.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Also too.

[Tammy Franklin]

But it's like, you gonna judge me and you're gonna judge if I'm saved or not.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Based off of.

[Tammy Franklin]

Based off of.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Come on. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Cause you heard that beat drop.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

But I'm telling you. And I might have dropped with it.

[Tammy Franklin]

Hey, baby. The beat gets me through.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Listen, I love your videos.

[Tammy Franklin]

So now I'm like, if it's hard, I'm not gonna act like it's not. But I have been able to get to a place of. If you're not in my circle, it really don't matter.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yeah, it is hard.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It is.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

It really is.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because it does. Social media opens you up to. Everybody's a critic. Everybody has opinions.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And, you know, some of that. If you're gonna have your comments on. People are. People are going to comment.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

No, that's so true. That's so true. So you work out. What else does Tammy do? For Tammy, like, in your free time, when it's just you, what are things that you enjoy to do?

[Tammy Franklin]

Sometimes I. I volunteer.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Okay.

[Tammy Franklin]

Volunteering has helped to keep me grounded.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It does.

[Tammy Franklin]

We have amazing organizations within our city that I love and support. And I get to go in there and just serve.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

And not be served. I think it's important in life to intentionally, especially if you are in a place of always being served, it's so important to be in a place where you're being a service to someone else that you can't get anything back. You may not get a thank you. You won't get paid for it. They're not gonna park your car. You know what I mean? Like, that. That's important. I'm also now that I have more time on my hands and I've empty nested and going through my own therapy journey, I'm recognizing as a child, there were times, a lot of times that I experienced great trauma and I should have had counseling.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow. Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And. But back then, it just wasn't it wasn't a thing. It wasn't a thing. And so I am. We shared on the episode I did on Oprah's behind the Man. I love that my mother's story was able to be shared. And my mother's story is one of domestic abuse.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

I was that kid who was in the room.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Of. Of a domestic abuse.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so the organizations that I am partnering with now, I'm loving because it is helping the woman, but also the child.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes. And that's so important.

[Tammy Franklin]

And that. That's so important.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. What.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What organization is that, if you don't mind sharing?

[Tammy Franklin]

Genesis Women's Shelter is an organization. There's an organization. Oh, child hormones. Dang it. But it is specifically.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I'm so excited to be a part of that. There are other organizations called Boch's House when it comes to women with self sex trafficking. I know it is not. It ain't my ministry to try to help reform them. I love helping people and mothers encouraging. You have got to let your daughters talk. You've got to let them be real. That's when they get in trouble.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because you didn't allow a safe space. Especially church gonna get mad at me, but I don't care. Especially. I mean, it can happen in any household. But for some reason in Christian households, there are subjects that are taboo.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Oh, yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And she may be struggling and she cannot come and talk to you. And now she's in trouble.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

It doesn't mean that every girl's gonna get trafficked because of that. But there is a reason in why in which there was not safe safety.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so that's the part of that organization that I like going to the moms and saying, hey, open up. Like frequent communication with honest dialogue. But yeah, those are the things that. And I like to. I love to dance.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I know you like to dance.

[Tammy Franklin]

I love to dance sometimes. And I learned that in therapy. She was like, do something that you enjoy that is simple, that does not require much.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Okay.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I love music, so I've been like, literally implementing it. And there was a one day I was just dancing around. I was. It went from, you know, Beyonce to cece playlist. And there was this one particular song that came on that brought out a worship in me and a cry in me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow.

[Tammy Franklin]

That. I think music is powerful like that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

It is.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so I'm glad that she's encouraged me to tap back into something so very, very simple.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Tammy Franklin]

There, you know, tears are cleansing and Oftentimes we shut them off.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Because we don't want to feel.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yep.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Oh, that was me for a very long time.

[Tammy Franklin]

We don't want to feel we don't wanna. And once the tear starts falling yeah we don't wanna deal yeah we don't wanna feel and we don't wanna deal, no and girl, I think I must have rolled around on that floor. I was laughing. Cause when I looked at myself in the mirror, I was like, you know, James Brown was that video James Brown.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Coming up with the hair all stuck on his face.

[Tammy Franklin]

I said, ma', am, you needed that cry and you needed that worship and that time alone. Girl, I cried, I screamed, I let out a scream. And I'm like. Then I go to therapy. And she's like, let's talk about what you think it was. What are you releasing that you need? Your body? One of the things I've learned about therapy is there may be things that you don't recall. There may be ways in which your body protected you. Your brain.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Your brain is so powerful.

[Tammy Franklin]

It's so powerful. And I look at it as God's way of protecting as well. But what she told me is your body remembers.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Oh, yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

And so when you're put back into the same environment, you're like, what's happening? And that's what was. You know, like I said started with me with therapy in the first place. You know, I was like getting triggered. Like, I was like. Like, I'm glitching.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

What's going.

[Tammy Franklin]

But yeah, music. Music is one of those, I would say, just private moments that I have.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I was telling Kirk when he came. When I was a kid, I used to listen to Hold Me now. And that's like when I was having suicidal thoughts. I literally would like sit in my room and just cry. And I could just like feel guys embrace. And. And this now it's Tasha Cobbs. Put a praise on it. There is something about that song.

[Tammy Franklin]

Baby. She. That song. And she has another one with Chandler Moore.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Feel the room on his new album. It is.

[Tammy Franklin]

I listen to the album right now. It's about to drive me crazy. Me too.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Because I listened to it. Me and.

[Tammy Franklin]

But it's talking about Tasha. Let me. Let's.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Baby, she is anointed. She's special.

[Tammy Franklin]

She really is.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

She is.

[Tammy Franklin]

She really, really.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

She is so. That voice, man.

[Tammy Franklin]

Amazing.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Just see who she is. She's just. She's special.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

But that one had me on the floor. Like how you was on the floor getting up that on the floor. I'm like, I don't know what it is. Cause just thinking of the goodness of God, I'm like, man.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

When I talk to my friends who don't really have that strong foundation of faith, I'm like, I just don't understand it. Because for me, it's like, I feel.

[Tammy Franklin]

Like I can't survive, baby.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And I look at him, like, and the things he's brought me through and how good he's been. I'm like, do you think you did this on your own? Because there's no way.

[Tammy Franklin]

And those that think they have done it on their own, they're sadly mistaken.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

They are.

[Tammy Franklin]

They don't even.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And.

[Tammy Franklin]

And they may not even believe, but God's still making ways.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes, he is.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Tammy, this has been amazing. Is there anything that you want to let the people know that you're working on or anything we need to stay tuned in for besides the book?

[Tammy Franklin]

Oh, my goodness. I mean, a lot of what I'm working on is me.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that that's a good project.

[Tammy Franklin]

It's a good project, a worthy project, and I'm open to whatever that evolves. I've always been. I think one of the things in which I've been able to compliment my husband on, and this has been a complimented of me, is that I don't have to. To be the things I do. Don't have to be shown.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Wow, that's good.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I'm okay with that.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And I feel like sometimes that's a good balance when you have someone who is in the spotlight and then have someone who's like, man, I'm good. I'm like, I want my man to be like that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Like somebody who's like, we can have that balance where he's not chasing the light and he's like, babe, just do your thing. I'm good right here.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I mean, I'm okay with. And I think, you know what it helps and with me is that I could take it or leave it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Like, you know, you're comfortable with it. I've done a little television. I've done a little radio.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm not, like, craving for it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

That's what I'm saying.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Cause some people, like, I want it. Like, it's kind of scary.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah. There's this one project. It hasn't been greenlit yet, but I love it because it infuses all that's me.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

I love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

And it's got some fitness in it. It's got some faith in it.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And so I'm excited for that.

[Tammy Franklin]

Fingers crossed.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

It's gonna happen. I can see it.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I get to encourage people.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love that.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yeah, I'm excited about that possibility. I'll share that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Thank you. Thank you so much. Well, we're excited for everything you have coming.

[Tammy Franklin]

Thank you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I want to continue to see your workout videos, hear more about your therapy journey. I think people need to hear more about who you are.

[Tammy Franklin]

I think I'm gonna share more about that.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Cause I'm telling you, like, it's been very inspiring for me. Even just watching you, following you on social media, I'm like, I just love this woman. Like, everything you do, you're just a light. And I think more people. I know there's certain things you want to just kind of hold close, but I think you should. People want to see you.

[Tammy Franklin]

Okay.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And I love how you've been doing more. You've been on more panels, doing more speaking stuff.

[Tammy Franklin]

So, yeah, I'll give them a little bit more.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Just a little bit.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Not.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You know what I'm saying? Just whatever you're comfortable with.

[Tammy Franklin]

Yes, I go.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

But, yeah, I feel like there's a void that needs to be filled with Tammy.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Tammy Franklin]

Thank you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

You're welcome.

[Tammy Franklin]

You're saying what I hear you saying is that I can step into the evolution.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yes, yes. Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

And be open.

[Tammy Franklin]

And I am. And I am.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Because there's been endless possibilities.

[Tammy Franklin]

I'm open. The only thing is it has to be authentically me.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

Yep, Exactly. I'm done. You'll get miserable if it's not.

[Tammy Franklin]

Want any part of it.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Yeah. Good.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

What's this? Thank you.

[Tammy Franklin]

Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm so proud of you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I'm proud of you. I'm so proud of you.

[Co-host/Producer (possibly Krista or Sheree)]

Thank you.

[Tammy Franklin]

I love you.

[Chris Renee Hayslett]

I love you, too. Thank you so much. There is so much I picked up from my one on one with Tammy Franklin today. But one of the things that sticks out the most is it is never too late for therapy. There is such a big stigma around therapy and when you should start or if you should even do it, because some people just feel like they're too far removed from the situation or whatever may have caused the trauma. But I think the main thing that really stood out today is that, guys, it is never too late to seek help, and there's nothing wrong with it. I can't thank Tammy enough for stopping by today and keeping it positive. As always, I'm so thankful you joined me as well. You can always join in on the conversations that we have here on the show by following me on all social media platforms at lovechristalrenee. And you can also follow our show @keepitpositive, sweetie. If you want to write into our positive outcome listener letter, you can send us an email to keepitpositivesweetiemail.com in the meantime, in between time, y' all already know what to do. Keep it positive, sweetie. I'll see you next time.