← Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
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Black people used to be Republican. The first black senators. And all of them were Republican.
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That's right.
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And now all of a sudden, we got tricked into the welfare state and all of those things. And now we are beholden to one party that have never done anything for us. We had the black first black president. What did he do to address crime in Chicago? Nothing. What did he do to address single parent homes? Nothing. But he did more for the LGBTQ community than he did for the black community.
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Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. You are quite the guy. For anyone who does not know you, you have a degree in sociology. You are an all American football player who was almost drafted into the NFL. You then joined the police force for six years. You were A SWAT operator. You were a field instructor and turned into media mogul. You have millions of followers on YouTube. I see you everywhere talking to everyone from Scott Jennings to Piers Morgan. You have become a force. I have watched you since 2020. How are you? And welcome to the show.
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Well, thank you, Jillian. I tell you what, you made me blush with that intro. I think it encapsulates a lot of what I've done. And. And I think it speaks to the reason why I'm the way that I am, the reason I'm bold, the reason why I don't care what these naysayers say, the reason why I support, you know, Israel the way I do. And people give me so much backlash. I still haven't got that money that they claim that I'm getting.
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Me either.
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All of that.
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I know I'm not getting the money either. It's crazy.
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I told. I told him. I said, hey, since y' all know the money getting put out there, let me know where to go get that, check it, and I'll go and deposit it, and I give it to my staff. But, you know, so that. That's. That's kind of why I am who I am. And. And I'm very blessed. I think that God has orchestrated a good life for me, and he's called me to do things at a higher rate than I was doing a year previously. So that's why I continue to innovate. I continue to go harder. I continue to build a team. You know, we just added two more people to our staff, and we're killing it over here. And. And I owe it all to God and, And the perseverance that. That has been ingrained in me from my father and, and also for my career, serving my community with my life.
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You know, I appreciate the owing it all to God position. I've heard it quite a lot from very successful people like yourself. But I would also argue that there's an extraordinary amount of hard work and talent that goes into it just to. Just to throw it out there. But. But if It's a convergence, 100%.
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I mean, the Bible says faith without works is dead. So a person can run around and talk about how much they love God and. And say all this stuff. Is this, you know, this conspiracy or whatever they want to say. A lot of people say it and don't really mean it, but you got to put in some work. You. You're not just going to get things handed to you in life just because you claim to be spiritual. You got to put in the work, you got to persevere. You got to show up to work when you don't feel like it. I mean, you have to show up to events. You have to speak when you're tired. I mean, all of those things are things that add up to your residual success, and that. That's in combination with the faith. The faith is direction, the foundation. But, man, you gotta grind. If you're gonna be somebody, you gotta have thick skin. God ain't gonna just give you thick skin. You gotta go through something to get thick skin. So I. I like to. To not be so spiritual that I'm no earthly good. But I think that it's a part of it. But I also think in natural, you gotta grind. You gotta study, you gotta get. You gotta fall down. You got to make mistakes. You got to be embarrassed. You got to be. You know, you may be afraid when you go on stage and stuff like that. You know, I got bubbles in my stomach every time I go on stage. And that's the part of being a human, and that's a part of what makes people great.
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You know, you mentioned being a human. I think we need to tap into that more than ever right now because it's so easy to other. Other people and not embrace this shared humanity that we all have. But we are in a state of chaos right now, unquestionably. And I want to show you. I want to start off by showing you, giving your law enforcement background just a small scene of what's going on in the streets of Chicago right now that echoes what's going on in the streets of Portland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and across the country. So let's take a quick look at this, guys. More police extend their line here onto the grass in front of some.
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Looks like an apartment building. Disperse now, or you will be arrested.
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Now, I, of course, could show you thousands upon thousands of these videos attacking law enforcement across the board, whether it's ice, the guard, the police, calling them fascists, kkk, throwing rocks at them, sitting on their car. I. I mean, you've seen it all. As a person who's worked in law enforcement, what is happening here? How is. Is this allowed? I'm. I'm so confused, because I'm pretty confident that if I got in the face of any law enforcement officer and tried to hit them or throw rocks at their car or call them names or was acting in a belligerent fashion, I would go straight to jail and face charges. What. What's going on here?
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Yeah, Jillian, it's a microcosm. Of, of different things that are going on. You know, first this, this is mental illness that we're watching. These people are deranged like you. You would think that we're in a third world country fighting against a, a regime that's putting people in the Gulag or something. I mean, we're in the freest country on planet Earth. These bald head weirdos have free health care. If they don't have a job, they can go get a job. We, Freedom of speech. They're out here bludgeoning police officers and they're not even getting beat down. I mean, they're, they're, they're using kid gloves on these people. I wish they would go a little harder because it'll set the tempo. But I understand. We live in America. We're very compassionate and, and, but these people are mentally ill. This is not people who are actually going out and having a real cause. Think about this. Why are they getting arrested? Why are they protesting? Because people have invaded our country and we, our government is doing the job in which we asked them to do. We voted for these laws, our representatives put up a law and the President signed it into law. We're not doing anything nefarious. This is abiding by principles in the law. And I'll tell you this, the same people out there spitting and crying and rolling around on dirt and doing all this old crazy stuff, they'll never let an illegal alien come into their house. They're, they're terrified of these people. It's the same people that did Black Lives Matter when they know dog on well, black people ain't just getting gunned down by police. They see a man shoot a cop and he gets a, he gets killed and they protest over it. The same people that's out here talking about free Palestine and they'll never go to Palestine. They want nothing to do with it.
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Right?
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And to be honest, if they were there, they would probably be just like the people we see now, lined up in the middle of the street, getting blown away. So these people are suffering from a mental illness. And they also have been propagated to by the mainstream media and other social media influencers who are in nauseum just going every day saying stupid stuff that's unverified and that's what we're seeing.
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Can we address some of those things? So I pulled a few. I actually want to show you this clip from Gavin Newsom because after this appearance on Colbert, this is when the ICE facility in Dallas got shot up. It was the very next day Guys, can, can we toss up that Newsom clip real quick?
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And the ICE issue is alarming beyond words.
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It is the largest private domestic army.
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Of its type police force anywhere in the world.
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He'll have 30,000 people that increasingly appear.
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To be swearing an oath of office to him. Not the Constitution of the United States. Again, wake up to what's going on in this country.
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So right off the top, you've got Gavin Newsom saying that they're Trump's private police force, private army, which is just an absolute flat out lie. They do swear an oath to the Constitution. He goes on to talk about how they're disappearing. Black and brown people. I personally have yet to find anyone that has been disappeared. We know where everyone who's been deported is. I can't find anyone who's been, quote, disappeared. That we're putting minors in zip ties. Can find one image of a minor in a zip tie. Let's see, what else? Brenda, what am I missing? Address this with me here. Who, who's being disappeared? What American citizens have been deported? I couldn't find one, except children that were deported with their families who were here illegally and they chose to keep the family together. But the kids still maintain their citizenship and come, can come back to the country. Like, what, am I missing something? What, what lies are, are you seeing out there? Or, or, you know, are people being disappeared? And I, I've just bumped my head.
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No, Jillian, you're sane and you're listening to people who are insane. Like, Gavin Newson was drunk when he wrote that talking point. What is he even talking about?
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I don't know.
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Why would he even say that?
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I don't know.
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I mean, that man is grown. He know better. He been in politics forever. He was the governor of one of the biggest economies in the world and he's sitting here capitulating the stupidity. It is very clear that these same people that are employed and have sworn an oath, they swore oath and many of them have sworn an oath under like three or four presidents. It's not like this is a new regime that they're just deploying. All of the deployment is in the Constitution of the United States of America. They're getting doxed and people are trying to kill them. That's the reason why they wear masks. It's not like he don't know that. It's common sense. And to be honest, they're trying to push a political agenda. Why is Gavin Newsome out talking about this right now anyway? Because he's trying to run for president. He don't care about none of this stuff. That man didn't care about COVID He had his own private vineyard, eating indoors, no mask. Why he telling everybody to shut down and put mask on and shaming people over it. I don't know why anybody listen to a snake or a salesman tell them anything about politics. These people are just lying. It's very clear that the, the border patrol agents are doing their job. Nobody's disappearing. It's the fact that, and let me tell you this, and this is the lie that they try to tell. And in law enforcement, I noticed because I used to do this on a day to day basis. And we work closely with border patrol in Tucson, which is a, which is pretty much a border state. In Arizona, which is a border state. I mean, the bottom line is they can't find everybody. We know that there's 20, 30 million illegal aliens in this country. So how do they come across a group of people? These are individuals who are on record. They have a deportation order. They can't just randomly find these people. They're going and executing deportation orders. And the, the penalty of, of coming into our country illegal is deportation. And if you are, didn't show up to your hearing, deportation, or you have to be arrested and appear in a hearing, all of these things are very reasonable according to the law. It's on the books. You can go read this in our law. And to say that they're swearing the oath to Donald Trump is insane because Barack Obama deported more people than any president in United States history. So they were doing work when Barack Obama was in office. And before Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, they all came out and said, we cannot let people come into our country illegally. We don't know who they are. I just interviewed a young lady. She's incredible. I mean, I think it's the biggest interview that I've ever done. And she had made mention that with the border being open, we have terrorists that have come into our country. And then let's, let's add this, Jillian. What are they being arrested for? Many of them are being arrested for doing brutal crimes to people and hurting black and brown bodies. They don't live in the foothills, they don't live in gated community. I mean, these illegal aliens, they're not going and finding these people in Beverly Hills and, and Rodell Drive and all this other stuff. They're going to find these people in inner city communities where they're taking resources from citizens who deserve to have a right to have a job that paid them well. They deserve to have to be able to go to a hospital in an emergency room and not have to worry about 45 illegal aliens in an emergency room in front of them. Think about this. The resources that they're using from American citizens is insane. Billions and billions of dollars per city. And then when they have children, it's not like they ain't, for lack of better terms, not like they not getting busy.
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Right.
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Because they're having kids. That's how we have anchor babies.
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Yeah.
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And they have these children and you, and you and I or whoever else go to a hospital and give birth. Your bill is insane. But when you're illegal and you come into this country, they can't deny you access to health care. They can't deny you access to a birth. So they birth these kids, 5, 6, 7 kids, 100% free. And all the American people are doing is saying, look, we have laws in place. We have a system. We allow more immigrants legally in this country than any other country in the world. Millions of people coming here legally. Why can't they just come legally? Why can't we honor the people who went through the process? I have at least two or three friends that I know for a fact that went through the process. And they had to pay a lot of money. They had to wait several years. Some of them were married to American citizens of them were living here, working here. And they still had to wait a tremendous amount of time in order to get their paperwork squared away. But they endured. They followed the law. They swore to. To. To be a part of this country. They had to do tests and all this other American history that they had to do and uphold. Right. They had to assimilate. But these other people don't have to do that. No country in the world is having immigration policy like in United States of America. Take your butt to Mexico and think you're going to just be absolved as a citizen. It won't happen. They will deport you, take your butt to any one of these other countries. They won't allow you to even be a citizen by immigration legally.
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Right.
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Many of these other countries, so they can kick rocks with this bull crap, man. And. And people like you and I are sane enough to realize that they're just pushing a political agenda every election season. They have to have something to lie to the people about. And now this is their thing. You have people out here trying to kill ICE agents. Yep. And Gavin Newsom won't say nothing about it. He won't even bring it up. He, the guy literally was so stupid. He went on the top of a building, took a rifle and shot detainees. He didn't even hit a border trot. He killed detainee. He think about this, Jillian. People are so insane that their efforts to thort ICE ends up killing detainees. ICE is just taking them to a detention facility, and they have a their day in court. We, we have due process for many of these people. And he decide in his efforts to thwart ice, to go and kill them instead. But nobody's even mad at the guy. They won't even bring him up. They won't even talk about the lunacy that occurred the other day where people got killed. There were actually black and brown bodies. And Gavin Newsom know better, Jillian. These people on the media know better. They just hate Trump so much, and they have derangement and, and weaponized empathy that they're willing to say whatever it takes to. To demonize what this current administration is doing.
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He went a step further, though, and he passed a law here in California so that ICE agents can't wear masks. Yet the Department of Homeland Security has just released information saying that the cartels have created a tier system like you, you talked about here, where you get $2,000 to dox an agent and put their family pics up online as well. You get $5,000 to $10,000 for kidnappings or beat downs on grunts. You get $50,000 to smoke a high command individual like Chicago Border Patrol boss Gregory Bovino, he knows this. He knows this stuff, and he passes a law so they cannot protect their identity. I want to get into for a second here, sanctuary cities. You brought up Obama. I believe he deported roughly 3 million people. They called him the deporter and chief. I think Trump's at 1 million. And when they play the whole due process game, he deported over half of those people through a loophole called expedited removal. I'm not saying this to you, but anybody who's listening that doesn't know this, which means if they catch you within 14 days of being in the country, but of course, there's no way to prove if you've been here longer or within 100 miles of the border, off you go. So you're pissed at Trump, but Obama did this exponentially at a higher. At a higher rate, as you, as you mentioned. So he also was not dealing with sanctuary cities. As a law enforcement, a former law enforcement officer, can you explain the difference between what it would take to deport people who are here illegally if you had cooperation from local law enforcement? Versus the pushback that they're getting in the sanctuary cities.
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This is one of the biggest, and I'm glad you asked this question, this is one of the biggest faults of, in my opinion of the party that are delusional, which is the Democrat party in for the most part, is that this was, is a very simple process. Many of these people have already been arrested before for, for heinous crimes. All you have to do is put them on an ICE hold. So that mean when they go to the detention facility, when they go to jail and they're arrested, ICE will take over from the jail facility. They don't have to go into the communities, they don't have to do any of those things. They could just come right to the jail and pick up every single person that had been arrested, which is what they're doing now in the community. But since they don't want to cooperate, they allow these people to have sanctuary in their cities by the millions. And now Border patrol have deportation orders. Now they have to go out and get them. Now if the states wanted to cooperate with Border patrol, they could cooperate through law enforcement. That means on a traffic stop, when you pull a person over that's illegally in this country that committed a crime, you can have Border patrol come and pick them up. We used to do it in Tucson, it was called SB 1070. And of course they protested and acted a fool over SB 1070. But this was very simple. We pull a person over on a traffic stop or we come in communication with a person that do not know English, they do not have a citizenship in this country. They admit that they are not legally in this country. We hold them and we call border patrol. And border patrol will come and take them to a border patrol facility where they figure all this out. And it's easy to have law enforcement participate to a certain degree to help federal law enforcement agencies. If they do this, we wouldn't see ICE anywhere. We, I've never like before, we never heard of ICE because ICE never really had to go and do these things. But now, because there's an incredible threat in our country and there's. Because there's so many people here illegally that have committed heinous crimes, we have to now go into the communities and extract these people. And they want to, you know, put it on the news and play it like they're zip tying kids. One thing that you do with zip ties is zip ties is a, is a less brutal way. I don't say brutal way. It's a less hurtful way to Detain somebody because the handcuffs are very stringent. They're very hard. They're hurt. They hurt when you put them on your arms. But they do another tactic where they put zip ties because they're easy to cut off and they can zip time down where they're not as uncomfortable for people. And they're doing that as a measure to not hurt people that they have to detain. They have to detain people. And I just. I'm. It's saddening to me because if I was a governor or if I was the head of a law enforcement agency, I would say to a certain degree, we will help you guys as much as you need us to. We all live in the same country. We all have the same values and risks factors. And. And if they were really honest about protecting their own citizens, they would be in lock step with doing these things because these illegal agents are committing so many crimes. And. And I'm going say this too, about the victim side. I dealt with this in Tucson so many times. What happens is when you have a system where people are illegally in this country and under the radar, they are abused more than anybody else in the country.
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Right.
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Because what happens is they take advantage. Like, people know that they're illegal, so citizens of America will take advantage of them. And also illegals will take advantage of them. Why? Because they won't call the police.
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Yep.
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If you assault them without their consent and you know what kind of assault I'm talking about, then they're afraid to call because they feel like if they call and police get involved, they'll find out that they have immigration status issues. And so they begin to take advantage of these individuals. And this is kind of why even Barack Obama made an attempt. And I don't like a lot of stuff he did, but I thought this was a reasonable attempt to a certain degree to create daca. And what DACA did was if you're in this country, you don't commit a crime.
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Yeah.
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You were here. Not the fault of your own. Me, Your parents brought you over here. You. And you get an education, you can serve, you can be a police officer. You can do all kinds of things in society, which brings you out of the shadows into functioning in America's system. And when you do that, maybe, just maybe you can finally get some. Some immigration status. I'll say this, and I'm gonna get in trouble with conservatives. You cannot deport.
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I'm gonna go there with you anyway, because I know you. You and I both share the same belief that there needs to be a better path to citizenship for good people. Which is the next part of.
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Exactly. We have to do something. Yeah, we're not going to be able to deport. We don't want our ICE agents worried about this. We, we need to really get terrorists. And so we could create a system where there's people that came over here or that's here that are working and doing the right thing. And we could give them a pathway somewhere. They don't have to have citizenship right away. They may have to pay restitution. They may have to be clean, meaning that they have to have a job, maintain a job. We can put parameters around it.
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Absolutely.
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There are people that come over here for a better opportunity. And not everybody that's here is, is doing it for nefarious purposes because some of them have been lied to. That means in Mexico and some of these other places, the cartel is telling them, if you just make it to America, you're safe. It's the land of the beautiful you, all the opportunities. You won't have to worry about xyz, you can go have a good life. They are being lied to. Then they get over here and realize, no, there's laws in place. Oh, wait a minute, I could be deported. Like, they didn't tell me this when I paid them $17,000 in order to get my family over here in the United States of America. So there's a swath of people that we don't have to waste time deporting if they're active members of society and they're not committing crimes. And like I said to make a caveat so people don't get mad at me and we. I don't care if they get mad.
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At me, but I want to be reasonable. I really want to be everybody lately fighting for what's right across the board, which I love about.
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Yeah, I really want to be reasonable though, because I don't want to be superfluous and make people mad just for the sake of it. Because I do think that there's ways that we can manage this and do it better. And therefore it will accompany us doing something very difficult first and then we can lighten it up later. That means we should end all immigration into the United States of America outside of merit based immigration. And we do that for a period of time until so we can reconcile what's going on and fix the system. And then we can make a clear determination of how many people can we actually have in our country that can function within the system that we have. When Covid was going on. Everybody was saying the hospitals are overrun. And the reason the hospitals are overrun, because there's a influx of population that we don't account for. They don't build extra hospitals because we don't know how many people are actually in a city. And so when the rubber hits the road and people are forced to go to the hospital because of complications or sickness or illness from pre existing conditions that, that, you know, they came from Mexico with or wherever they came from, we now have an influx to accommodate for these people. So they overrun the hospitals and American citizens are sitting out there dying on beds. And these are things that, as the American people or as a country, we should thwart those things. We should make it equitable for everybody so that we can live in a society of peace, love and tranquility according to, in my opinion, the Bible. And outside of the Bible, according to our laws that have been created.
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You know, you, you bring up such great points. And I see the left trying to take this moral high ground, like they're the good guys and the guys with the really big heart. And then they say that quiet part out loud of like, and who's going to pick your fruit? And I, I hate to say it, but it unquestionably comes off like, you want to serve class, you want slave labor out of these people who are undocumented, otherwise you would give them a path to citizenship because they won't be your maid for very long. When we allow people to come in here legally, we have seen historically, they're more inclined to start small businesses and create jobs. Their kids do better in school, they pay more into the system than they take. But as you so eloquently put it, when they're here illegally, they have no protections, they're being exploited across the board. Kids are being trafficked. Fentanyl is flowing over the border. You've got shadow economies. They are costing billions more than they're paying into the system. Unquestionably, we know this for a fact. So if you have such a big heart, why are you trying to get ICE agents killed instead of focusing on reform? I'm, I'm curious. And you, I was watching you, gosh, a couple of weeks ago on your show and you were saying, like, if the Republicans don't do this, God willing, I mean, the Democrats eventually will, and the party that figures it out, a humane path to citizenship is going to be the one that wins here. Do you think that the conservatives are going to come around and say, all right, you know, we got to do the right thing here. We got to figure this out. Or is this going to be a political football forever?
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Well, you know, being a former police officer, which, once you're a cop, you're always a cop in your mind. I always see it two ways. There's a path where Republicans are going to shoot themselves in the foot and be dumb enough to push this down the road. And then one of the Democrats get in office, and now they give pathway to citizenship because they. They have the House to Senate and the presidency. And then these people are going to vote for who? The people who gave them citizenship, who show compassion towards them. So the reality is that Republicans are in a unique position. We have the Supreme Court, we have House and Senate, or at least we have some majorities that we can make things happen. We have the presidency. Donald Trump may be on his way out because he can't get reelected. He should employ something similar to this. Therefore, it would secure the. See, they brought these people over here because they wanted to do this the entire time. Sanctuary cities and swing states, they want to get them infiltrated, and then they're going to give pathway to citizenship, and then we'll never win an election ever again. If we can beat them to their own punch, which means we can control immigration, the people in here, we can do something right by them. I think we will win forever. And there is a pathway that Republicans can do that and solidify. Yeah, people are going to be mad at you for a short period of time, but the people who are small businesses that have these people employed will. Will love you in the long run. And I'll say this, they don't really have real compassion for these people, because if you went to the border and you saw how they got here, the trek over here, how many people die.
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Yeah.
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And the summertime is over now, but in the summertime, they run these people through the desert. They don't have water, they don't have resources. I mean, think about this for a minute. When you bring kids over here and they're undocumented, you could traffic them. They have no identity, they have no association. They have no connection. We don't even know where they from. And people can traffic them with no recourse because we don't have any identity on the people who are trafficking. Right. They don't have a Social Security number, they don't have a criminal record. So we can't go out and find these people. And. And it creates an undercurrent of society that don't need to happen. And it creates A crime level that don't need to happen. And these young people that are here and these parents that are here that are doing the right thing are being victimized. And, and we all know it. And, and let me tell you this, Jillian. This is the same thing that happened during slavery. Same party, the Democrat Party, did this in slavery. They want to advocate who's going to pick the cotton.
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Yes.
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Who's going to be in service. We need slavery to continue. And people were getting manipulated. And the same thing is happening to illegal aliens. When they come out and talk, they don't talk about business people. They don't talk about doctors and lawyers. When they talk about elite, when they talk about immigrants, they're not even talking about legal immigrants. They're talking about illegals that don't have upward mobility in society. They need them to stay low so they can pay them under the table and give them wages lower than what's required by the government. And even companies that employ them, they have to identify that they're employing these people. They, they still are not going to give them a, a good amount of money. When I was a police officer and people used to come to the hospital all the time for this, they get hurt on the job and they get seriously injured and they come to the hospital and they, they cannot. They won't tell you how they got hurt. And the reason why they won't tell you how they got hurt, because if you find out that they got hurt on a job, that job would then be revealed that they employed an illegal alien and they have to pay some benefits to this person.
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Right.
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They don't want to do that. They want the undercurrent of society where they can manipulate these people. They can buy them out. Cartels can, can manage these people. And I think it's wrong, Jillian, and they know it's wrong. I'm not an expert. I haven't been in politics that long. Somebody like Gavin Newsom and some of these Democrats have been in politics longer than I've been alive. They've been through all the presidents that have tried to enforce these things and have tried to make legislation. They, some of them have been a part of Congress when these things were being discussed, but yet they come out under Trump's administration, not Biden. They said nothing when Biden was in office. I remember AOC was crying at that fence and doing a photo op under Trump's administration.
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That's right.
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She haven't cried a single time. When these kids are in cages that were established and initiated by Barack Obama. Yep.
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The Obama cages, they seemed far worse than alligator Alcatraz. Call me crazy, but we're, we're. By the way, our National Guard has slept before, so our military has used alligator Alcatraz. But the cages, those were fine. A hundred percent. It's.
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B
And deport. And they want you to deport people who are criminals, believe their kids here unintended.
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A
Right.
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But that don't make any sense. So when they deport kids with their parents, that's where they should go. And let me add this. We should have always, from the foundation, I'm sorry, from the foundation of our country, we should have always gotten rid of the anchor baby situation, because the citizenship, birthright when you're born on American turf was really for American black slaves so that they could have access to the Constitution like anybody else, because they weren't citizens at some point. So they made it and established it that if you were born here, you become a citizen. That was for slaves. That's not for people breaking and entering in our country. And they have that. So they can continue to leverage these people to get over here. And once they have a baby, it's harder for you to get them out of here. They should have eliminated that. And I hope that President Trump and the Congress will eliminate that moving forward and just make the main thing, the main thing. You come over here legally, you can have children and, and, and have, you know, success in America. If you come here illegally by sneaking through a fence or lying about your immigration status and not immigration status, but lying about seeking asylum, that we should deal with those people appropriately. And once we get our system fixed, this country will be so much better. It would be so much more clean when it comes to our finances and our financial support of people. And we will probably be able to have more qualified people come over here and compete for jobs that can really make a difference in America.
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You know, Chris Christie was talking about this when he was running. And I know a lot of people don't like Chris Christie because he and Trump have this major feud. But he was making a lot of sense talking about, hey, let's look at where we have job openings, where we can take talent, we can give them visas. I thought about the military, for example. 77% of Americans are not fit enough to join the military. You want to come to America, come fight for this country, join the police force, show us that you're willing to die for the principles that this country was founded on. There are ways in like you're talking about, and we can use all of this talent, if you will, and bring intelligent, smart, hardworking people who will love being Americans and who are running from truly horrendous regimes. Those people make the best Americans, in my opinion, because they don't take what we have here for granted. But you're absolutely right. When you have people coming in here illegally, it's. Jasmine Crockett said, black people aren't going to pick your cotton anymore. Which, I mean, I get it, of course. Of course not. But now you're saying, but these guys, they should now take the position as slaves. It's everything you're saying, it's crazy.
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You know what's crazy about Jasmine Crockett is that why do you feel that black people so entitled that they can't work if, if there's a job opening to pick cotton?
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That's interesting.
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You better get your butt out there and pick some cotton and make a ways because you do have rights.
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Not cotton.
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Let's make it. You get money, you do get tax returns. You do get a lot of benefits for working. Now, this is not slavery. You don't, you don't work for free. You know, they don't buy you as a, as a tool for you to go out in the field and work. I mean, working is not about that, Brandon. A negative thing for anybody. And so it's. The crazy thing is that now they're creating, they want to create a victim class. They want to say, no, black people are too good to work these jobs. Who is going to work them? No, black people are, are just as good as anybody else to work any job. If you are sitting on a corner with a, with a cup out asking people for money, you can go work anywhere. And I think what's happening, and especially these ignorant politicians who are black, black, black, black, blackity black. And they, they care, they think they care about black people. Well, more immigrants that are coming in this country will displace black people forever. I don't know why they haven't noticed that black people in unfortunately as a group are having less children than illegal aliens are. They also are having more abortions than illegal aliens are.
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Yeah.
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And they're getting incarcerated at a higher rate than illegal aliens are. So what's going to happen is that people are not going to have the right to vote that are black. And you're going to influx with so many illegal aliens that black people are not going to have a vote. They're going to participate, but it's not going to mean anything. And I'll give you an example. Black Women showed up for Kamala Harris at like 98%. Now, black men were a little bit more flexible enough to open their eyes to say, you know, we need to leverage this vote and we need to vote for people. That's going to be in our best interest. But black women voted at 98% for Kamala Harris and lost the election by a landslide. Now, you give it about 15 more years or less, black people will vote for Democrats at 100%, men and women, and it won't make a difference. It's kind of like almost like the Asian population and some of these minority minorities that they vote all the time. And if they all voted for one party, it's not going to matter because the majority minority has a, has a vote that supersedes their vote. And black people have been the majority minority in, in this country for a very long time. Therefore, they did have say they were able to sway an election. You had to go and talk in the black community and say, hey, we're here for you. Vote for me. But when you see numbers where 5%, 8% of black voters are voting for Democrats and losing elections, I mean, 5% are voting for Republicans, therefore 90 plus percent are voted for Democrats and we're, they're losing elections. It is going to come down to a point in time where, and we saw it last term when they were running for office, they were speaking Spanish on the, on the debate stage. There will come a point in time where you're going to have to capitulate to the Hispanic community and they are going to be the swing vote. They're going to be the ones that you have to get their vote. And, and in part, that's why Donald Trump did, was so successful, because he got a lot of Hispanic votes, more than any Republican in history. And that's just going to be the trend moving forward because the people in office, especially the people who claim they care about black people, they really don't. They hate Trump so much, they're willing to dilute their vote and never have active, you know, voting rights ever again in this country.
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You know, you, you, you bring up such an interesting point. Even think about the, the first part of, you know, black people, as long as they're getting paid, who cares what job you're working? But for some reason, the association was so instantly negative for me that I, I picked it up right away was, but was just shocked that she would wish it upon someone else. But that was stupid and oblivious. This one thing I want to ask is, you notice unquestionably that Democrats sell grievance to black America. But I wonder if you're fundamentally disempowering them with this message, like, oh, you know, white people are the devil. And this alarms me. You and I were meant to talk about this on your show, and we never ended up getting around to it because we ended up talking about Israel. But it alarms me because when you see people like Hillary Clinton going out and saying, hey, you know, white Christian men, they're the problem, or you've got Gavin Newsom saying that, you know, ICE and Trump are disappearing people of color, and you've constantly. It's like the white man is the root of all evil. And they sell this messaging. And I'm sure it must feel good, it must validate people on some level. But what worries me is that it's going to breed, in my opinion, the next generation of actual racists. Because when you tell these young white kids that don't really have the understanding of like, okay, this is propaganda, this is manipulation of the message, I get what's happening here. They don't, they don't have the bandwidth for that kind of nuance, and they are leaning into some pretty, pretty scary influencers that don't need a name. But I, I know you know who I'm talking about. I've seen you. You talk about some of these individuals. One in particular on your show that is a true racist. Um, that scares the shit out of me. How do you think that we, we bridge this gap? Because I, I feel like the, the, the left continues to race bait and, and fear monger, and then on the right, it's like, hey, get over it. And I'm like, surely the answer is somewhere in the middle. But I don't see this going anywhere good.
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Yeah, you're 100% right. It's going to take somebody with integrity, reasonableness, and have a foundation of, of unity to bring this back together. Because they are creating racism. They're creating, they're creating on both sides.
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Yep.
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If you disempower black people and you tell them white people are the enemy, they begin to see the world through that lens. I grew up feeling like that I grew up not liking white people because all I, and I didn't live around white people, so I don't really know how white people really feel, but this is what I hear. And so every time I see a white person, I'm seeing them through the lens of racism. So if I go to a restaurant and they don't serve me right because they got bad service and they probably got bad service with everybody. I automatically think it's not the service, it's because I'm black. And if things don't go well and I don't get a job and things transpire, I begin to think it's just because I'm black and the white man is responsible for it. And, and then also this is a crazy. This, this is a part where black people struggle in business when it comes to this. If you are looking at the white man and saying a white man bad, and you become envious, when you see a white man on a yacht, you, you will fall through the cracks. Because what I've learned over time is that you need to partner with anybody, you know, no matter what color they are, right? If they're going to do good business, and you can, you can benefit from it. So the guy on the yacht for me now is a guy that I want to meet, right? And a guy that I want to do business with. Instead of saying, that's the guy that I envy. And only reason he got there was because he was white. And then on the other side that you so eloquently put is that when you start disenfranchising people and giving minorities benefits and telling them wo is, you know, everything is good with you, you can commit crimes and do everything. You, you create resentment. It's like if you went to the university and you paid your fair share and I don't care what color the person is, unfortunately they're doing it with minorities. But you start getting people that come to the university that didn't pay university that weren't qualified, there is a level of resentment that builds up. You're like, well, I worked hard my whole life. My family sacrificed everything to get me to this point. I studied, it was rigorous for me to get into the university, and I finally got accepted. It was an accomplishment. And then you see people coming in that didn't even qualify, and therefore you're like, well, wait a minute, man. Now I'm mad at that person. Instead of us joining as a coalition to do something great together, now, it caused a division in a, in, in a, in a rift. And when you see white people being, and, and I understand why young white people feel like this, and it's just going to get worse if they don't change it. When you say white people are the biggest threat to America, when you say toxic masculinity and you only talk about white people, when you say toxic masculinity, young white men are going to start rebelling. And they're going to start trying to stand up for themselves. And it's the same thing you do with black folks. Like, when you do. You put them down so much that they're like, no, I'm a fight back. No, I'm going to overrepresent my perspective because I've been, I've been oppressed, and I think it's all foolery. Jillian, we all are Americans. Do you.
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Honestly, I feel like I don't know. And I've, I've tried to get answers. In other words, like, I talked to my friends who are black. I'm like, tell me what I'm not seeing. Tell me what you're experiencing. Show me what it feels like to be black in America. Honest to God, what does it feel like? Because in all, in all transparency. I have a black daughter, and the child is waited on hand and foot by all white people. The child is beloved at her school, which is in a predominantly white area. The kid is like the coolest kid in school. I mean, I don't. But I also don't have a multi generational trauma that I'm pass. Like, I'm not carrying this with me. So I, I don't know. We, we talk about. My daughter's conservative and not because of me. She leans into a more conservative message and so does my white son. But it is concerning for me across the board because as I see a rise in racism, I, I worry about her. And as I, I see more young boys leaning into that message, I watch my son very closely. The only reason I know who Charlie Kirk is, is honestly, is because years ago, my son started watching him. And of course it was like, oh, he's a racist and he's alt right? And he's this and he's that. So I thought, like, I better, I better take a look at who this kid is, is watching. And I was like, wait a minute, this guy's not saying any of that. This is a great guy. And we started watching him together. Of course he said, you know, a few things I wish that he had not said. But nevertheless, it is, it is a deep concern. And I want to ask you, I have a lot of questions for you about policing and systemic racism in. It is unquestionable, is it not, that there is profiling that black men do get higher sentences, that they are wrongfully convicted at a higher rate. I mean, this is real, right? And we should be outraged. But then what do we do about it instead of attacking each other again, just like illegal immigration? How do we reform the system every fall. There's that shift in the air, right? Mornings get a little cooler, the light changes, and suddenly you're reaching for layers that make you feel grounded, comfortable, pulled. And those are just a few of the things that I love about coins because their pieces don't scream for attention, but the second you put them on, you feel the difference. They've nailed the sweet spot of luxury quality without the luxury markup. Their 50 Mongolian cashmere sweaters are ridiculously soft. Not too heavy, not too thin, not itchy. It is literally the perfect layer that I wear under a coat or on its own. The denim fits like a dream. Clean lines, flattering on everyone. These are the kind of staples that end up on repeat. It's your personal fall uniform without even trying. My favorite piece is the Italian wool coat. Oh my God. The one I have looks and feels designer, but it costs a fraction of the price. The tailoring is beautiful, the weight is perfect, and somehow I managed to look great effortlessly every time I have it on. And what makes quints different is how they work. So they partner with ethical top tier factories, the same ones that produce for major designer labels. And they cut out the middleman. So you're getting exceptional craftsmanship, responsible production and prices that are about half of what you'd normally pay for pieces of this quality. So it's refined without being fussy, elevated but approachable. The kind of wardrobe that makes you feel like you've grown into your style. And finally, stop compromising between quality and cost. Find all your staples at quince. Go to quince.com Jillian for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com Jillian to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Jillian Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e commerce in the US. So if you're intimidated about designing a website, don't worry about Shopify's got you covered from the get go with beautiful ready to go templates to match your brand style. And if you need a hand, you can get help with everyday tasks like enhancing product images, writing product descriptions, generating discount codes. Shopify's AI tools are created for commerce. And if people haven't heard about your brand, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy to run email and social media campaigns. And if you get stuck, Shopify is always around to share advice with their award winning 24,7 customer support. They have you 365 degree covered. So turn those dreams into and give them the best shot at success with Shopify. So sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today@shopify.com Jillian. Just go to shopify.com Jillian. That's shopify.com Jillian.
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Well, Jillian, you own something, but I think there needs to be perspective.
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Okay?
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Black people are not unreasonably targeted. If you look at the statistical data, white people are disproportionately targeted by police than black people. And let me explain to you why, when you have a high crime. Okay, I'm just fact check me. Okay. When you are in a high crime area, which if you look at statistical data, black men create over half of our violent crimes. And black men, when you look at the murder rate, are committing half of all the murders in the United States of America. So what does that do that necessitate a police response to the community? This is not all black people. I don't get pulled over for no reason. Most black people I know don't get pulled over no reason. But when you are in a community where it's high crime and high violence, you're going to have more police presence. With more police presence, you can have more police interactions. And so it's not because they're black. It's because black people are living in these high crime communities that necessitate more police interactions. When it comes to, you know, wrongful convictions, the more you are in the system, the more likelihood you may be convicted for something you didn't do. And unfortunately, black people are putting themselves in positions to be in the system more. I'll add this. A lot of times what they do in order to push racism and lies, they go and show a conviction of a black person. They go, this person robbed a store and they got life in prison. What they don't tell you is this the person's third or fourth offense. That's why they have a census. That's harsher. And I'll tell you this, they'll never find a judge and say, this judge has been disproportionately sentencing black people and that person is a racist. Why don't they point these judges out and we get them off the bench? And that's because more than likely the judge don't exist. They are comparing jurisdictional sentencing and acting as if the whole country is the same. Crime in certain states are treated more harshly than crimes in other states. You know, in LA, no bail, you can steal stuff up to $2,000 and still get a slap on the wrist. You go to Georgia, you go to some place in the south, they're not playing that game. And where do black people live? Majority in the South. So when you have harsher sentences being put in countries or, I mean, in cities where it's primarily black, you're going to see higher sentencing. Then they compare them to other, other states, and then they say, look, there's. There's disparity. No, that's not how it works. I have family members that. Doing a lot of time in prison. Why? My uncle robbed a store. A great uncle. He robbed a store, shot the clerk. The clerk duck, thank God, and he got charged with attempted murder. And he doing 25 years to life. And people will say, man, he got 25 years of life for robbery. He didn't even kill anybody. They don't say that. This is his fourth or fifth time going to prison. He actually murdered people and never got caught for it. I mean, he's living a life of. Of. Of. Of violence. One of my other Cousins, he got 75 years in prison. He shot three people in an altercation in front of his baby mama's house. And he got 75 years. And people may say, man, that's really strict. He didn't. He didn't kill anybody. He just shot people. They, they don't tell you that he was a convicted felon that was a prohibited possessor, so he had a firearm that he shouldn't have had. There was dope in the car, and he went and shot people. And they determined that it was unprovoked for the two people that. Two out of the three people that he shot. That's why he got that time. It's not because he's black. When I was a police officer, we used to arrest black people, and they let them out the next day. They were. The system was a little more lenient to black people because of the, The. The reputation that old. The black people are getting sentenced too hard, so they give them less sentences, and then they go out and commit more and more and more and more crime. And I wish that they like, for instance, nobody that you talk to that complain about police officers dealing with black people can tell you how many white people have been shot unarmed. They only can tell you black. Well, the statistical data point shows that white people get shot twice as much as black people do.
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I've seen you talk about this.
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White people get arrested twice as much as. As black people do. And when I say arrested, I mean for Murder twice as much as, as black people do. White people are the biggest population in prison. It's just that black people are disproportionately represented.
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Right, that's what I was going to say. But there's a lot more white people. So it's, so it becomes disproportionately.
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Black people commit a lot more crime disproportionately. And, and that's something that people are afraid to say. When you have a population that's 13% of the population represent half of the murders. I mean, what do they expect? They expect it to be 13 in the prison. No, it'll be half of black people in prison if they're committing half of the murders and half of violent crimes. And if we go to the root of this stuff.
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Okay, right, that's, that's redlining.
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And the root of, the root of.
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It is sabotaging the black community in the 80s and the Jim Crow, all this. You know, let's not pretend like that's not the root.
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That's not the root. Because when you look at redlining, redlining, when you do the research about what it really is, Redlining wasn't a race based thing. When you look at the red line districts where they determined that this was the red areas because they had red, they had yellow and they had green, the red areas, most of the people that live in those areas were white. And they don't want to tell you.
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A
That, that I didn't see. I know that they weren't giving people of color loans.
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No, they were not doing that. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. I wrote an op ed about this and, and there was research done that proved this. They don't tell you that the majority of the people in the red line districts were white. It's just that majority of the black people lived in the district. So disproportionately black people were in the red line districts. The redlining was based on whether or not you can afford a certain loan because of your credit score or because of other various principles. It wasn't about black, it was about the zone of people. And when you go back and look at it, they were mad at redlining, quote unquote, because they disenfranchised black people who couldn't afford loans. But then you fast forward today, they were giving loans to black people who couldn't afford it. Now they call it predatory lending. A lot of the things that are going on are just talking points. Being a black man in America is no different than Being anybody else, to be honest, a lot of times black people get a lot more better treatment than anybody else. They are showing. Like, for instance, most black people are in the middle class. Most black people are not in the hood. Most black people are not committing crimes. Right. You know, so the average black person is not living in poverty or not living in a situation where they're disproportionately represented in anything. The reason my dad is not in prison and my cousin is because my dad decided to go get a job and he worked for 42 years before he retired as a firefighter. And so they. They make up these things that are not necessarily true. And I grew up in the hood. I know that young men in the hood without fathers are committing asinine amount of crimes. This is why LeBron James don't live in the inner city communities. This is why nobody's investing from the black community that are wealthy. They're not investing in these communities. Why? Because they can't. It's too much crime going on. It's too much drama. If Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Denzel Washington, or anybody that we know that are spectacular, Ben Carson, you name it, any black prominent person, if they lived in the inner city community, they would. It's a good chance they could be targeted and killed. We see Nipsey Hussle, who was a rapper. He was doing a lot of. He was doing a lot of. He was a gang member, roller 60s. He was rapping about a lot of violent things, but he was doing a lot of tremendous things in his community. And where did he get killed at? In his community? Yeah, by another gang member. Killed him in cold blood in front of everybody. Tupac Shakur, one of the greatest rappers to live. He was a. He was a game changer. Where did he get killed? He got killed by another black man. Biggie killed by another black man. You know, it's. And then you look at the murder rate of black men. 96 of black men are killed by other black men. And the 50 murder rate is because most of them are. Are black men that are being killed by other black men. So when you look at south side of Chicago, when you look at South Phoenix, when you look at South Dallas, where a lot of black violence is occurring. This is why you see a disproportionate amount of young black people going to prison, and it's because they committing a disproportionate amount of crime. I wish that we would have you talk about the community where they put drugs in the community. Now that was wrong. But nobody tells you to go sell drugs to your own people at the time where crack, okay, like this.
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The CIA putting crack into black communities to fund overseas wars. I haven't fully versed myself on this.
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B
But they say it's alarming. They say that I have to look into it more.
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I. I just. I don't.
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I grew up in a community where I knew family members that sold drugs. I had people that I know very dear to me sell drugs. A lot of times people are not selling drugs because that's the only way they can survive. That's. That's a. That's a lie. They sell drugs because they can make a lot of money without having to pay taxes and they can live an entrepreneurial lifestyle. They don't have to sell drugs. If you look at the drug busts, it was a majority of black people getting busted for selling drugs because majority of black people didn't sell drugs. It doesn't matter if the drugs in your community, you don't have to sell them.
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A
But did the government target them like white people got addicted to opioids? You know, it's the same thing. It's like the black community and crack white people and fentanyl and opioids. But the government didn't do that. That.
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B
That is. That's a good question. I'm not really sure how much of that is reality. How much of that is.
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I'm not either, but I've certainly heard it before from fairly credible sources. And it was so dark. I was like, I'll look into that another day.
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B
Yeah, I have to still look into it too, because I'm not. I don't know if the verdict is still out that that's a legitimate claim and the reason why black folks are not doing well. Let me tell you why black people after slavery. And we can go down the list of the successes that black people have had after slavery. We weren't like that for a long period of time. The richest woman to ever live. I mean, the first female millionaire, and adjusted for inflation today should be a billionaire out of any woman of any race was Madam C.J. walker. She was a billionaire in the late 1800s, early 1900s. You talk about all of the people who came from slavery that began to build themselves. The black community was advancing at a rate higher than white people in the 30s, 40s. This is when Jim Crow was going on. Black people had their own businesses, they had their own schools, they had. They had almost everything they need sustainable in their own community. We see the, The Fallout of black folks a little bit later in life. And as we saw black people being successful, black fathers were in the home. Only 25% of children were born out of wetlock back when black people were incredibly successful. And then we turn around and see now it's 70 to 80% of black kids are born out of wetlock. And therefore you see an influx in crime and disorder. It you. A person can say the drug epidemic was a part of it, but that's not the full story of why black people are in the position that they're in. Because, like I said, not all of us sold drugs and went to prison. That. That's insane for somebody to even believe that and try to push that as a reality. What happened was cultural dynamics within the black community. We don't circulate money like the Jewish community or the white community or the Indian or Asian community. We don't. We, as a community, because of rap music and all the stuff that we indulge in, we create an environment of consumerism. And so therefore, we will go and buy things and not create things anymore like we used to. I'll give you an example of how the rhetoric against black people caused black people to be in a position rather than it being a reality. If you look at, they say black Wall street in 1925, where they had, like, a black Wall street where black people were flourishing, black people were very successful. And then there was a race war that happened. And they lied to you about the race war. It's called the Tulsa riots.
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Oh, I know.
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B
Yes, I understand today they call it the Tulsa Massacre.
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Yes.
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When it wasn't a massacre, it was a riot. And it was a conflict between black and white people. It was an incident that happened on the elevator or something similar to that, and black people came out and they had a confrontation with white people. Black people began to shoot and kill white people. And then there were some white people that came back to Tulsa and it became a race war and white people won. They won't tell you that Tulsa, Oklahoma, was rebuilt about three to four years after that quote, unquote massacre. They just leave it like that and make you think that that was the destruction of black people. But think about it like this. How would black people during Jim Crow and all of the segregational things and racism that was in our country, how would they even build a black Wall Street? And in today's society, where there's no Jim Crow, there's no water fountain things, there's no separate but equal and black people can't Create a Wall Street. It's a lot of it is in part that black people have sold their own people down the creek. Black people used to be Republican, the first black senators, and all of them were Republican.
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That's right.
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And now all of a sudden, we got tricked into the welfare state and all of those things. And now we are beholden to one party that have never done anything for us. We had the black. First black president. What did he do to address crime in Chicago? What did he do to address what they would call the. The. The incarceration complex or whatever they call the prison pipeline? What did he do to address any of that? Nothing. What did he do to address single parent homes? Nothing. But he did more for the LGBTQ community than he did for the black community. Name anything right now, and nobody can. Legislation specifically to address dealing with the issues in the black inner city communities. They don't have any education. They don't have any crime. They don't have any residue. They don't have any. They don't have any. Any answers for us. But I think we fail in line with the Democrat party that pitched us a lie, and it hurt us, and it is hurting us in perpetuity. Martin Luther King. You should listen to one of my good friends, Chad Jackson. Chad Jackson argues that Martin Luther King was. Was a contributing factor to the downfall of the black community.
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Preacher Chad Jackson, he's not.
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He's associated with a few preachers, but Chad Jackson. Chad O. Jackson isn't a preacher, but he. He has a whole documentary. He haven't released the one that I saw, but he showed me all the material where you realize that Martin Luther King was a Marxist. Martin Luther King staged a lot of the. The fallouts between the black and the white to push legislation through the government system instead of, you know, allowing these things to be a natural occurrence. Like, for instance. And people criticize me for saying this, but it's true. Rosa Parks had a car.
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I know the Rosa Parks wasn't. I know, but, but Brandon, here's my.
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I.
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And I've seen the criticisms, and I. And I listened to a. In order to get the full picture of Charlie Kirk's position. That's why I thought maybe Chad Jackson was the preacher that he had on where he was criticizing Martin Luther King. I had heard this and that Rosa Parks had a car. And it was staged, but it's like, is it not for the greater good? Do you know what I'm. You know what I mean?
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I don't think it was. I don't think he was acting in good faith. A lot of black people that were alive during that, first of all, Martin Luther King, when he was alive, he wasn't very popular amongst black people. And people like Malcolm X would call him out on a day to day basis. I do know that, because what Malcolm X stood for, somewhat isolationism in the black community and that black people need to create their own resources. Martin Luther King wanted to interject black people into the white world at the, at a time when they weren't accepted. So instead of black people building and establishing their own stuff, they gave up their own stuff to try to integrate with white people who didn't want them to integrate at the time. And therefore when you send your kids to white schools, you negate all of the established black schools that were there because black teachers couldn't get a job at the white schools. And, and a lot of these things really hurt us. And let me say this, I'm glad that we are now past the point of racism and segregation. But I think that that was something that the government should not have had their hand in. It should have been something that the people would have came close together to establish. Because at the time, a lot of people who lived during that time period, it wasn't like they make it out to be black people were doing their own thing. They didn't want nothing to do with white folks. They just wanted the government to get out of here.
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Parents will tell you, you know, they are both liberals, but they're traditional liberals, not woke progressives. They're, you know, they're traditional liberals and they'll, they'll tell you, yeah, you know, people were, were racist. My dad grew up in Ohio, my mom grew up in Inglewood here in California. And you know, their parents were racists. They grew up in a racist environment. They came up in the 60s, they saw all of those things. And I mean I just, I, I, I want to believe everything you're saying but, and, and I, part of it I think is true. But on the other hand I just want to make sure, like I don't want to give if there's guilt to be had, if there are reparations to be made, like hey listen, you know, we were set back because we couldn't build generational wealth. Hey listen, these things set us up for failure and we're behind the eight ball because of it. We gotta equalize things. I want to know that and I want us to have an empathetic conversation instead of like you white devil. When I didn't Pass those laws. My ancestors had known slaves, but I don't want to pass either.
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You, you're right on it. It had something to do with it, but it didn't have everything to do with it. Look at the Jewish community. When you used to see those signs where black people couldn't eat and, and you know, participate with white people. Jews were also on that. So it was, it was no blacks, no Jews and no dogs. And how did the Jewish community, I'm sorry, now let me, let me, let's talk about reparations real quick. I think black people deserve reparations in part at the time, but, but because black people didn't elect the right people that were really willing to fight for them, they never got it. And at this point, they're never going to get it.
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And they can't get it. It's almost, it's like impossible to figure out now.
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But you don't, but, but at the end of the day, I, Jillian, I don't think black people need it. You know, as a black man in America, if I'm not looking through a lens of racism, the world is wide open for me. Look at black immigrants who come to this country from Nigeria and other places. They're highly successful.
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Yeah.
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Highly educated.
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You're right. It just, you know, you just, you know what it is, Brandon? It's like because you want to be able to say, come on, like, we're all human, let's get past this, let's go, let's, let's move along. But then at the same time you're thinking, is that me just not wanting to feel uncomfortable? So before I give that message of like, let's get over it, come on, let's go, let's be a team. Is that insensitive? Is that my own insecurities? I want to be able to like successfully check that box in moving forward with a position that isn't self serving. That's why I'm like, are we, are we sure about this? Because I, I am the first one. I want to be like, let's fucking move on. Come on, guys. We're all human.
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We can. Jillian. And I think that's why we all work together. Because you can say it and be right, but because you're white, people don't want to accept it. I can say some of the things that you can't say. And black people have a hard time fighting against people like me because I grew up in a black community. I know what the woes were. It wasn't the white man it just really wasn't like. Like, for instance, you know, let me. Let me say this. I want people to know that I'm fair about this. There were things that held black people back, but Jim Crow was in the South. Jim Crow wasn't in the North. Black people were. Black people had a lot of opportunities, and they took advantage of it. A lot of the greatest inventions that were ever invented in America were invented by black people. The stoplight. I mean, you. You can go down a list of automatic transmission. That was a black person.
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Yeah.
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You talk about George Washington Carver, one of the greatest inventors of all time. I think he still has the record for the most inventions that he created from the peanut oil, from the peanut seed, or whatever you want to call it, he created the most. And he was out of slavery. Booker T. Washington, you, Frederick Douglass, you have a lot of black people that came from slavery that accomplish more than black people accomplish in a day, and there's no slavery. A lot of it is that. And you. You mentioned this, and I think that your daughter is a perfect example. When you raise a kid right, it don't matter what color they are. Your kid goes to a majority white school. White people are not hurting your kid. You know, they're not treating her any kind of way, because we're past that as a nation. But the problem is, is passing down generational hurt to your kids is what the problem is. Because when I go back to my great. My great. My grandmother, she was alive when. When you. You had to drink out of separate water. Founding white folks. But that's not my reality. That's not my dad's reality, and that's not my children's reality. The problem sometimes in the black community is that they try to make that our reality. They don't want to let that go. The white man, you can't ch. You can't trust the white man. When I was growing up, that's what they just tell us. But in re. But what happened to me was I believed it, and I hated white people. And then I went to college and I said, whoa, wait a minute. Kind of the experience of your daughter. You were the coolest. I'm around nothing but white people, and white people are very kind to me. Yeah, I don't have any racial. Now I got a bunch of white friends. Some of you white friends I like better than my black friends. Whoa. The world is opening up to me. When I was in college and I got saved and I had a kid out of wedlock who was the first person that came to me. It was a white man named John. John came to me in college and said, I appreciate you choosing life, so I want to help you. John paid my rent, our rent, for a whole year. When my son was three, John came to us and said, I want to pay for your son. I'm going to put money back for your son to go to any university that he wants to go to when he turns 18. That's a white man. And so when you get out of that bubble of this false sense of black victimhood, you start realizing the world is bigger and there's people that love you. It's a small minority of people still holding onto that foolishness. And that's what changed everything to me. Also, I hated cops. Guess who gave me the first ride along and inspired me to become a cop was Sean Payne. A white guy in Tucson saw me as a black man, said, come on, man, do a ride along. Come with me. Show up tomorrow. And I looked at him because I didn't have a lens of racism in my eyes. I had a lens when I got saved, that everybody's a child of God and we're all in this together. He changed my life. And I can go down a list. I'll tell you. My white coach in football. I was an all American coming out of high school. I was the top player in the nation. We had nine D1 players, and four of us were all Americans, including my brother, who was the year before me, was a US army all American. We were an all black school in the hood, had a white coach, and he loved us. He poured into us. He will fight you over us. You know, so it's. We gotta get past that generational trauma that's passed down because there's nothing stopping black people today for the last, I don't know, 40 years that are stopping black people. Even though our ancestors had a struggle, even though our great grandmother and grandfather had a struggle, there's nothing stopping us from being successful. All of my black friends are very successful multimillionaires flying on private jets. And they have partnerships with everybody. Yeah, white, black, you name it. Yep, my COO is a white guy. You know, a lot of people that work for me are black and white and Hispanic and gay. And, you know, people, when you get out of that bubble of stupidity and framing everybody in this prejudgment lens, you begin to see the world as much bigger. And then when you travel out of the country, you realize, oh, crap, this country is actually really great. I have never experienced racism in My life like legitimate racism. And if it happened to me, I didn't know it happened. And I grew up in Texas, in the black community. What I realized, Jillian, was that I was looking at it through a racial lens. When I go to a store because people told me that they're white people and they follow you around the store, I would see that when it wasn't the case, they follow. When I became a cop, I realized it more like, oh, no, no, wait a minute. White people complain about the same thing. When you come into a store and you look like you own meth, they follow you around the store.
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Why?
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Because you stealing, you know? And I'll tell you this, Jillian, with the crime. When I was a police officer and I had a small black community that I patrolled, majority was white. We arrest white people for similar stuff that black people get arrested for. It wasn't that somehow we go around and we think, it's only black people do this. No, the murders that happened in Tucson were white people. Majority in my division, the sex crimes, white people, brutality against police, white people. All the people. We shot, white people, you know, so when I. When I. When I. When I was a cop, I started to realize, wait a minute. This ain't what I thought it was. We pull up, I can't even tell what the race of a person is when I pull them over. And Jillian, I put. I took a black girl on the ride along with me. She kind of was feeling me. I was single at the time. My son and her son went to the school together. And I used to show up in uniform because I had to drop them off and go right to work. And I could tell she kind of liked me and I had no interest. But since she wanted to know a little bit about me, I said, come do a ride along. This girl wouldn't even get out the car, she was so scared. And I put her through a test. And Jillian, anybody watching this can do the same test. You can do a ride along. You'll see the same thing. During the daytime, I will pull a car over and I'll tell her what race is. The person in that car. You can't tell. You can't see. We don't care. White people kill us more than black people do. So we're worried about, are you a threat or are you not a threat? And then that opened up my eyes to being like, all the times I've been pulled over when I was young, as a cop, if the cop was racist and they wanted to do something to fear, they Would have gave me a ticket. They would have treated me poorly. But in fact, they didn't, which tells me, as a cop, they didn't. They weren't feeling any way about me. It was me. And people got to understand this. You got to be very careful about your own biases projected onto other people. And I tell you what, Jillian, growing up, and I keep saying, I tell you what, but growing up, I started to go back through my life and realize, whoa, I was wrong about all this stuff. And I have to catch myself as an adult not to revert back to that. I see a white man on a boat, on a yacht when I was in Miami, and there's a part of me that's like, man, that's messed up. You know, like white people have it so good. You know, that person probably came from wealth or whatever and ever. And I gotta realize, all of my friends who are billionaires came from nothing.
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Mine do.
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One of my, One of my friends, Mark, Mark Matson, I'll put his name out there. Mark Manson is probably a billionaire right now. His Manson Money manages like $17 billion worth of worth of money under management. Mark came for nothing. He was poor. His dad was poor. I mean, his grandfather was poor. He tell these stories in his book. And of course I went to his seminar where you speak about his life, that even his grandfather told him pretty much that you ain't good enough to be that way. You're not good enough to make some of yourself. And he took it upon himself to grind every single day. My friend John that gave me, that paid my rent for a year. John did not come from wealth. I can't. My friend Elaine, he's a Canadian. He did not come from wealth, and now he's wealthy. None of my white friends who are wealthy came from wealth. They came from nothing. And when you black, they don't tell you that. They tell you that, oh, they had money from generational revenue. Yeah.
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And the vast majority of all Americans don't.
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Mass majority. If anybody looked this up. Most millionaires in the United States of America, which is ebbs and flows, people go in and out of millionaire status. Majority of them, I think it's probably like 70 or 80% of millionaires are self made millionaires that didn't have generational wealth. And when you black white people have generational wealth, but then when you grow out of it, you realize, oh, wait a minute, I can. Let me do what he doing. And a lot of times they'll help you, right? They'll. They'll get you to the next step. If you come and you want advice from somebody who's a mentor that's very successful. Because successful people don't care about race. No, only poor people care about stuff like that. I wish that Barack Obama would have taken the opportunity to say, young man, young black man, you can accomplish what I've accomplished. Here are the steps that you need to take. It's not that you're a victim and the system is broken. No. Well, why is it not broken for you? Reverend Al Sharpton. He sent his kids to private school. Reverend R. Sharpton, you know, they not, they don't even. He don't even live in a black community. Well, Rev, how come the white man didn't target you? How come the white man ain't holding you down? You got you on a national network, probably making millions of dollars a year with a show. How did you divert the white man? Tell me, LeBron James, instead of him saying, let me mentor the young black men to teach them how to make money, let me teach you how selling dope is not the solution to your problems. Let me show you that football ain't. John told me, Jillian I was going through the NFL situation where I thought I was going to NFL for sure. My college career didn't go well. I was in the 2010 NFL Draft and even though I didn't play much in college because I was a tremendous athlete, Oakland Raiders said they were going to draft me. They told my agent I threw a draft party. My whole family was there. They passed on me. I cried like a baby. I was all distraught. John told me, he said, brandon, let me put you on game. Most NFL players go bankrupt and 80% of them go bankrupt. The life, the life chef. A chef life of a NFL player is like three years if you are the best of the best. Meaning that you are like Ray Lewis or you're like Tom Brady. You're only going to play for 15 years. 12 years, bro. You're still in your 30s. So don't think he and he said, and if you that that's when you make real money, when you way up there. He said, brandon, I make more money than Tom Brady and them for the rest of my life. These guys are. Don't get caught up in that. There's a bigger world out here. You don't have to be a football player. And growing up where I grew up at, that was the cap to black success is being an actor or a football player or entertainment or. It wasn't being an entrepreneur. It wasn't Being a part of a Fortune 500 company, becoming a CEO, that wasn't my. My where I saw myself until John exposed me to something different. And then now I'm. I'm pretty successful at my age. You know, I own multiple companies, and we have over 20 employees here, and we're just growing and growing and growing every year. If my young brothers in the hood that I grew up with knew what I knew, they wouldn't be selling drugs. If the young brothers in the hood knew that there was a way out of the hood that didn't involve you having to sell drugs or be an athlete, many of them will be pretty successful. If I showed them, this is how you start an llc. You don't need a lot of money to start an llc. You don't need a lot of money to get these things started. Just go for it. You got dreams. You got goals. You have what it takes. Let me show you. Let me show you the way. I have helped so many YouTubers become millionaires because I just show them the way. A lot of black young conservatives, I show them the way. And I'm not sitting here saying, you can't be a good YouTuber because you're not, because you black. You can't make it in the Republican Party because you black. You know, Jillian, you know, I could talk forever, but I'll give it. I'll pass the mic. But it's more to the story than crack cocaine in the 60s. It's more to the story than we redlining and we couldn't establish generational wealth. A lot of that is us not giving back to our own people. A lot of it is us going to Louis Vuitton. Shaquille o' Neal had a shoe. I don't know if you remember, Shaquille o' Neal had a shoe that he made. He made it affordable. Black people didn't support his shoe. You wear them shoes to school. You corny, you whack, you trying to be white. Why wouldn't we support Shaquille o', Neal, a black man who have incredible success with a shoe? There's another basketball player who I forget, he actually started his own school, and he had a shoe. Black people ain't buying that shoe. They buy Nike, they buy Reebok. You know, a young girl that I had that was a friend of mine, she ended up. I don't know how she scammed this to happen. She got into a car accident or her wife got into a car accident in a company car, and they got hurt really bad. And somehow the company paid her millions of dollars. Hair weave and extensions and stuff like that in the black community is a trillion dollar industry. She went to India.
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500 bucks every two weeks.
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Yeah. So you would know. But black women, Black women, I think white women are starting to. White women are starting to get on to it because my wife be getting extensions. I'd be like, well, you don't need us. But. But like black women for the longest have been the biggest consumers of hair weave. And you know, when they do the braids and stuff. My friend went to India. She flew a whole team to India. She started a business with that millions of dollars that she got. She went to India, got hair weave directly from India, all like natural hair. She come back. She used to. She cried to me one time because black people wouldn't even support her. They wouldn't buy her weave. So it's like, wait a minute. Is that the white people or is that. We don't support our own people? And, and. And the Jews don't do that.
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No, they. I was just.
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The Jewish people are supporting.
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The Jewish people have on lock. Candace Owens said that to me once. She's like, I just want. How come the Jewish people can do this and we don't do this and they're getting.
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They're persecuted all over the world.
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Yeah.
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Black people are not persecuted. Well, I don't know. I haven't been all the world as a black. I know in China they don't like you, but the places I've traveled, I get nothing but love and people don't care. Black people are a thing now. You know, actually they like you more in these other countries, to be honest. Especially women like you more in other countries, but black people are. You know, it's just that we have abandoned our own connectivity. We are more crabs in a bucket than we are partnering with one another. It. It's a, like, it's a I'm better than you thing. I made it out the hood. You didn't. Y. I don't want to share wealth with you now that I made that to each other.
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There's room in this town for one of us, and it's going to be me. I call it like the gunslinger mentality.
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And it's like that. I wish it would change because we could probably do a lot of good things together. Why don't black people own their own bank? You know, all these black billionaires and. And especially like people like Jay Z billionaire, Beyonce billionaire, Rihanna billionaire. And I'm not putting it all on their backs, but they're the ones complaining. Why don't you start a black bank and give black people opportunities? And why don't you have, you know, some of these teams? Black people don't own these teams because they're not thinking about ownership. They want to play basketball. They don't want to own the team. They, they, they, they, they want to, they want to work at the Fortune 500 company. They don't want to own the company. And just like anybody else, there are, there are, there are things that you have to overcome as a, as a man, a black man, a man that come from the south or whatever the case may be. There's things that everybody have to overcome. White people got the same story as many black people. They have to overcome stuff, too. During slavery, it was only like 2% of white people that owned slaves. Who else was, who, who else were picking that cotton out there? You know, they act like all white.
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People are sitting around to elaborate on that because I, because I've been down that path. As you know, I appreciate that the entire Southern economy benefited off of slavery, but the counter argument to that is that the north chose not to and that 350,000 white guys died to end slavery. So it's like, why can't we look at both sides of this? With the point being not all white people are your enemies. Some of them stands shoulder to shoulder with you at the darkest times.
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Harriet.
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And even then I turned out, I became a racist for wanting to point that out.
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Harry Tubman started the Underground Railroad. She didn't go to La La Land. She went to the north where black people were free. And actually, people don't know this because they don't talk about this. For whatever reason, Harriet Tubman was actually married and her husband was a free black man. And Harriet Tubman mom and, and her sister, what, they were free. And most, most free black people actually still lived in the South. But Harriet Tubman husband didn't want her to start the Underground Railroad. They lived together, actually together when she was a slave and he was free.
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The point that I, I would simply try to make here is that I get it, but when we get into, like, your ancestors did this, what about the people whose ancestors died to end it? What about those guys? Can those guys be your friend? Like, where do I start?
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Yeah, what about people never owned slaves? Like, what about those people? What about the people who helped Harriet Tubman in the Underground Railroad? Listen, black people couldn't vote. So what about the people who voted, the black people, for black people to be free from slavery. And the, the people who voted for black people to have rights and citizenship and be able to vote there was all white people. So at some point we got to give white people some credit that the ending of slavery in America, which was, we were one of the first to end slavery, was white people doing that. It wasn't black people. And thousands, I mean, millions of, I think it was hundreds of thousands of white people died in the Civil War, which gave freedom to black people. And so there was a point in time and then the group that won never had slaves. So the north won. They never had slaves. So can we start our country off by saying the non slave group prevailed and you know, in racism and prejudice and all that is, you know, Jillian, the most racist people in America today are black people. And nobody want to really be honest. Now you could say because of slavery, you can make any excuse you want to make, but black people are really the racist people. When I go around black folks, they talk so poorly about white people and they say whatever they want. Openly racist white people are never. White people ain't worried about black people like that, to be quite honest. The only thing they just really are, not to that degree. There's racist white people, of course, but when I'm around black people, when I'm around white people, the hate and the vitriol seems to me to come more from black people. And then the white people are like, I don't have, I don't have nothing against black people. Like, I don't really. I ain't even thought of that. I didn't even know black people think like this. And black people are festering. They're in the bubble, festering. That's why you see that black man stab that girl on that, on that train that now.
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And I never saw that growing up, which is crazy, but I just didn't. I don't know if it's because I grew up in Los Angeles and you know, we were the generation that was like one race, human love is love. And now I'm seeing the opposite. I'm seeing the festering and I'm seeing the rage. And I want to insulate my kids from this. And I want them to grow up with the one race human mentality. And to be dead honest, it's. It's men like you who are giving them that. And I just, I think you're fantastic. More and more every time I get to listen to you, Brandon, tell people where they can get more, learn more, watch your show. All things Officer Tatum. Where can we find you.
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B
Thank you for saying that, Jillian. You know, the funny thing is you and I both run a show, so I could. I'll talk your whole show. So you know what?
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And honestly, if I didn't have Byron Donald in one minute.
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B
Oh, yeah, I gotta get up out of here.
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Literally.
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Literally.
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Keep you all day long.
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And I bet you. And I bet you Byron Donalds who's a very successful black man. I hope he becomes the governor of Florida. He will. He. He will say the similar things that I'm saying. And that's because all successful black men think very similarly. And we're out of the bubble. But people can follow me at Officer Tatum and there's a lot of other people online. Follow the people who are telling the truth, but the Officer Tatum on any platform, you can find me. And like, not like my content. You can at least hear it.
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Thank you. You're fantastic. I said it a million times. I'll say it again and I'm gonna be watching. Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future. Life doesn't pause when you're sick. Vaccines against respiratory illnesses can help protect you and give you more playtime with your best friend. Depending on age and health status, vaccinations for flu, COVID 19, RSV or pneumococcal infection may be recommended. Vaccines can help keep you from having a rough time. Learn more@cveep.org Vaccines Protect brought to you by the American Lung association and cbeep. Fighting Infectious Respiratory Disease.