A (14:22)

Can I. Can I respectfully ask you questions about what you just said? And it's only because.

B (14:30)

Absolutely.

A (14:31)

When I want. When I want to. Okay. So from the outside, you look at this and you think, well, what about the people who aren't Christian? Do they go to hell? And I can't reconcile that, David. Like the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Taoists, the Shintoists, the Jews, the agnostics, the atheists, I feel like if there's a God, and I really, I hope there is, and I think there is, I believe that. But when it comes through a religion, it makes me nervous because I think it's, on its face, exclusionary, and that scares me. Does that make any sense?

B (15:12)

Yeah, I totally understand that. Yeah. What I would say to that is we all have, like, we're responsible for our own life first, right? And I believe that Jesus, he says that before the end comes, before he cracks the skies open and comes back and says, you know, here I am. Like, it's the. Everything's done now. Basically, you've all had your chance. I think everybody will have their own chance to accept or deny him. And I think that it's our responsibility as those that believe to share the good news of the gospel accurately. And what I mean by that is think of it like this. I have two daughters. You have kids.

A (15:56)

You said how many you had? Two of them. Two. A girl and a boy.

B (16:01)

So I would never let either of my daughters, either of my children take a murder rap sheet for anybody. I wouldn't let it. Like, I'll be like, nope, they did the crime, they're doing the time period. Like, my daughter is not going to get tortured, thrown in jail. Let's talk about the crucifixion. Hun on. Hung on a cross, like in the, in the. David says in the Psalms that the body of Jesus was. His visage was so disfigured, it says that you couldn't tell it was a man standing in front of you, like he had his. His flesh ripped from his body. It was torturous. The Roman soldiers knew how to inflict massive, maximum amount of pain. And he went through all that. I would never let my daughter go through that. But if for some reason she said, I'm gonna go through with this because I want to pay for the penalty for that other person. And I'm the father, right? If my daughter did that for somebody else, and then that person comes to me and says, well, I should be able to get into heaven because I was a good person. What about your penalty? What about your sin? Every. All has sinned. Nobody's perfect. Everybody sinned except Yeshua. Jesus is the only one that lives sinless. Somebody says, well, I've lived a good life. I've done this for people. I've done that for people. The only thing I'm going to want to know is, do you recognize what my child did for you? That's all I want to know. And that's all God the Father wants to know. Do you recognize what my son Jesus did for you? And when Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth and the life, no man can get to the Father in heaven but through me. That's what he's talking about. When you look at the disciples that were Jewish and that after Jesus rose from the dead, he walked around with them for 40 days. He was visible. He Ate with them, he slept with them, he drank with them, he did all these things. He was real to them. To the point where every single one of his disciples was willing to be tortured to death rather than say they didn't see him come back from the dead. That's what started Christianity. Those disciples, those men and women that saw Jesus resurrected, his resurrected body, saw him come back, saw him crucified in a tomb, three days later, they see him. Those individuals that were willing to be tortured to death rather than say they didn't see him come back is why Christianity exists today. It's why the billions of people on this world, on this planet, believe. And that's where it starts. And then once you open your heart and say, jesus, if you're real, come into my heart. Forgive me for what I've done. I agree that you paid the price. The whole point of his crucifixion was for him paying the price, literally for the sins of the world, so that we could ask for forgiveness. Invite him in, and when he comes in, he'll let you know. Like, you'll. You'll know that you know that you know like I do. It's the same way I know that my dad's in heaven. I know my mom's in heaven. I know Charlie Kirk is in heaven without a shadow of a doubt. I have no doubt whatsoever. And he'll give you that peace and that certainty. So you're so to your question as far as all the other people, it's like, well, let's start with my world, your world, start with you, right? And then when he comes in and he confirms it, you'll know his presence. I think that you felt his presence a few times on this already. Some people call it goosebumps. Some people call it warmth. Some people, they just feel something. They don't know what it is. I felt it several times. I'm feeling it right now. That's his presence confirming what I'm saying. You people watching right now. If you feel that a blanket of love, like a comforter. The Bible actually calls Holy Spirit a comforter. If you feel that that's him confirming what I'm saying, and when you invite him in, he'll continue that. So my hope is that, just like what the Bible says, the hope is for all to accept the sacrifice that Jesus paid. It's not a religious thing. I don't. I don't even like religion. After I was 18 and got radically saved, I wanted to start a podcast or a show called Relationship Not Religion, because it's all about a relationship with Jesus. It's not about a religion of doing this or doing that, and that's going to get you into heaven. That's not it. It's all about Jesus. It's all about him.

A (20:34)

I could definitely contend with something much bigger than myself. And there are unquestionably times I feel like I've seen it or times I feel like I felt it. But the definitions always scare me because bad people manipulate these things. It's like radical Islam, you know, radical sects of every religion. And, you know, you read these books, God is not great. And it's about the ways that man has manipulated religion. And more people have died in these religious wars. And then it makes you kind of like, take a step back from religion because you think, okay, you know, this is. This is a construct of man. This is not. If there is a God, these people are manipulating this to do bad things in some cases. And then on the other hand, I look at the principles of Christianity. I truly have not explored much about any other religion. I don't think Buddhism is actually a religion. Someone told me it wasn't. Now I'm a complete idiot about this. And I'll explore that more another show. But Kaizen Asidu, I don't know if you're familiar with this gentleman, but he's a brilliant philosopher. And he was like, jill, even if you can't wrap your head around the divinity piece, can you accept the principles? And that got me a long way down the road because the principles that you're talking about are irrefutable. That part. I'm like, you know what? I could definitely live my life by these principles of how to be a good person, especially when I want to lean into the darker side. And I truly feel like we all have this darkness in us, and it's contagious. It's like someone does something to you and you think, all right, gloves are off, dude. Now you know? And it brings out the darkness. And I fight that in myself constantly. And it was really good advice for me to kind of like, follow these principles. It doesn't matter what someone else does. These are the principles and you live by them. Who cares what they do? That's not the point. You live by the principles and it will guide you. And it has brought me a lot of peace. One other question that I wanna ask you about. This is, like, when horrible things happen to good people, where is God? And this is what I mean when you're like, just give it a minute. Like, let God do his thing or whatever. God, her, whatever the heck God, you know, gender we're assigning here. Where's God? Like they killed Charlie Kirk and David. I thought maybe, right? I thought, okay, maybe his mission gets stronger, his message gets stronger, and that's the sacrifice. But instead, I have seen crazy crawl out of the woodwork because of his absence. Nothing good I have seen come from his assassination. Nothing. And this is when I think this man, like this sacrifice, like, why? Senseless evil. Two babies, no father, a widow. Like, this is where I struggle. And you see? What do you see? Because I don't see what you see. I don't see God there. I don't. Where is God when Charlie Kirk is assassinated in front of the world by some psychopath.

B (23:55)

So I've heard it said, one of the greatest things that God has ever given mankind is free will. Because he did. He didn't make us robots. He put Adam and Eve in the garden. If you believe the Bible, book of Genesis. He put Adam in the garden. He creates Adam. He pulls Eve out of his rib. He says, here's a helpmate. He puts him in this beautiful garden that has everything that they could desire. Every single thing that they could want is in the garden. But if he doesn't put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden, guess what? They're forced to love him. They don't know any different. They don't have an option to do anything outside of his will. So he puts the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden. And he says, you have all this garden. You have everything you need. Need here. Everything. Just don't eat of that one tree. He gave them the choice to listen and obey or to do things their own way. Every single human being has free will. Otherwise we'd be robots. So evil does exist. Evil is in the world. There is darkness in the world. Some people give themselves over to it more than others. Some people give themselves over to it to the point where they do the most dastardly, unspeakable things to other individuals. I do not subscribe to the notion. I've heard some believers, and even Christians say God is in control of everything. I don't believe that. It's actually not biblical. Jesus himself, when the disciples said, teach us to pray, he said, pray for the. For God's will, your Father's will to be done, your will be done, and your kingdom, your kingdom come. Why would Jesus say pray for God's will to be done if his will was already being done in this earth. He wouldn't say that. So because people have free will, because we have to choose to accept him and then surrender and then invite him in. I love what you shared about following the principles of Christianity, which should be ultimately the principles of Jesus. Because again, it's like my shirt. I felt like I was supposed to wear the shirt today. It's all about Jesus. If you want to know the heart of Christianity, read the book of John. Read what John is the fourth book in the New Testament. Read what John, a man that walked with, lived with Jesus, wrote about how Jesus lived and operated, what he did, how he spoke to people. That is the best example of what you're getting, of what you'll get of what it means to be a Christian. Christ like is all Christian means Christ like I'm trying to walk and live my life according to how Jesus lived. So because there's free will, evil things are going to happen. Bad things happen to good people. God didn't ordain that. God is not the architect of that man allowed themselves to be utilized by darkness, evil, which again, to go a little deeper, fallen angels literally are demons. They were angels. The Bible says that when Lucifer, the most beautiful angel, literally most beautiful angel, and he led worship, he was kicked out because he got jealous of Jesus. He was kicked out of heaven. It says one third of the angels went with him. I personally think that was probably the choir, because he led the choir. So one third of the angels went with him. So there are dark forces here. There are. There are demonic forces and entities among us. I believe we're spirit beings and we're trapped in this meat suit. And when this meat suit stops, we don't stop living. Our soul will live on. But we are in a spiritual. We're in a spirit realm. And some people, obviously, that do evil things have basically yielded, surrendered to that evil, to the forces of darkness. And a lot of people just try to stay in the middle. Right. I don't want to do that. I don't want to go there. I want to live there. And maybe I don't want to necessarily get over here on the, you know, the, the Jesus side or what, that, the religious side or whatever, but the battle is still waging. So personally, when I, when, when I heard the news and saw the video of the Charlie, it just wrecked me. I mean, I, I first met Charlie, I think in 2017. He had brought Candace in and myself in and Terence Williams and Brandon Tatum. He had this vision for a coalition of, of black conservatives to champion Conservative causes. And. And that's when we all start. That's when we all got together and started doing stuff. So. And then I was also part of. It was a. It was a kind of a pilot project. It only lasted a year. It was called the Falkirk Center. But Charlie wanted to have those of us that were Christians, that as he was to champion Christian values and principles in the political sphere as well and on media. And so I had a chance to work a lot closer with Charlie from 2019 to 2020. And so I. And I've talked to Charlie. I didn't. You know, in latter years, it wasn't like we talked necessarily, maybe every month, but I could always text him and he'd text me. And so when I saw that happen, I was so devastated. I was so devastated, I went live. I was praying. I was praying in the spirit. I was praying for God to do whatever he could do and needed to do to keep Charlie alive. Like, he's. God's raised the dead before. I literally have friends of mine that operate and walk in a level of God's presence, and we call anointing his abilities. Basically, it's all Jesus doing it. But I've got friends that have seen the dead raised when they prayed for him before. So I believe God can do what he wants. He's a big God. So I'm praying God, whatever you have to do, right? I don't care if the bullet has to pop out. I don't care if you just got to raise him up. Whatever you got to do. And then when it came down, I got a text from a very close friend of Charlie's. It's a close friend of mine, and it said he's in and out. And so it was like in the first 15, 20 minutes, and he had gotten to the hospital. It's touch and go is what my friend said. And then that other text came. They said, he's gone. So torn, so torn and so broken over that. And a little angry at God, too, to be honest with you. And then I'm like, who am I to be angry with God, right? But we're all human. We're human. I'm a human. So for two days, I'm just like God, why?

A (30:38)

Why?

B (30:40)

Like you stopped the assassination of President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. That was a miracle. Everybody saw that.

A (30:47)

Yes, I saw that.

B (30:49)

The split second Trump turns his head is the exact moment that that shooter pulled the trigger. And that's the only reason why it missed. That's a miracle, hands down.

A (30:58)

Yeah.

B (30:59)

We all Saw that take place. So God, why not with Charlie? And I wrestled with that for two days. I wrestled with that. God, why, God? Why, God? Why, God? Why, God? Why? And then. And then the third morning, I woke up, and I'll kind of spend some time in prayer and just kind of lay there. And I'll normally either turn on worship music, an amazing playlist that I put together that I have on my Instagram for anybody to. To get. But I'll just turn on music and I'll just kind of listen and just sit there and just kind of receive from God. Like, what are you saying to me for today? And I was. I was doing that. I was in that moment, and I saw this vision. I saw Charlie speaking. I'm laying in bed. I'm still just. I'm kind of just resting and listening to God. I'm laying in bed, but I saw Charlie speaking to that crowd. And then in a split second, he's standing before Jesus. And the look on his face was like, what's going on? Right? Like, why am I here? What just happened? And then it was, like, relayed to him. He realized what just happened. And then Charlie's immediate reaction was over Erica and his kids. And it was like sadness. It was almost like a why. And he was thinking about Erica and his kids. And then the next thing I saw was where it was like Jesus said, they're going to be fine. They're going to be taken care of. They're going to be fine. Don't worry about your kids. But look at the ripple effect of what you getting taken out like this, being assassinated like this. Look at what it's going to do in this nation and around the world. It wasn't that. It wasn't that specific in that moment. It was, look at the ripple effect of what's going to happen. And it was almost even. It was almost even as though Jesus was giving Charlie a choice. Again, this is my own vision. I'm not telling you. This is gospel, God, Bible, whatever. This is what I saw and what I felt like I was interpreting from what I saw. But it was almost like Charlie even had a choice. Like, if you want to go back, you can, but if you stay, Eric and the kids are going to be taken care of. And look at what's going to happen. And then he. And then Charlie's countenance changed to where he was humbled, and he was like, wow. And he just kind of nodded like, okay. Like, okay. So again, that's my own personal vision. When I saw that Though it gave me peace, because I just believe something huge was going to happen from it. Now, you've said that you haven't seen anything positive happened since Charlie's assassination. I'll have to give you my perspective on some actual data and some numbers. Church attendance has skyrocketed. Every single. I'm connected to a lot of pastors. The last block of my show on Newsmax, I call the Silver lining, and I dedicate that to either pastors, faith leaders, worship leaders, somebody in the faith community, every single pastor that I've had on my show and ones that I just know personally, they said church attendance has gone up 20, 30, 40, even 50%. And they say that that's the same with pastors that they know. Churches all across the country. Turning Point. Turning Point. Faith applications went from. I think it was a thousand at the point Charlie was assassinated. Applications chapters around the United states. It's over 100,000 applications for turning Point chapters on high schools, colleges, or universities around the nation. And it's not just in the United States. A good friend of mine is he. He does stuff in the underground church in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and underground. Because if you come out and support Jesus over there, like, openly, they'll kill you.

A (34:59)

Kill you.

B (35:00)

So he's got underground churches that he's connected with. And it was within a couple weeks after Charlie's assassination, two, maybe three weeks, I had him on. His name's Robbie Dawkins. And he said, david, I got to tell you, the underground church in Iran is on fire because of Charlie's assassination. He said, normally these people, the young men especially, they. He's all. They're timid. They're too timid to go out in the streets and try to talk to people about Jesus and pray for people and see miracles. He sees miracles. Normal, right? The miracles that you see in the Bible, in the Book of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John again. But I'll highlight John. The miracles that you see Jesus do in the Bible, that's normal Christianity. That should be normal Christianity for every person that professes to be a believer, because that's God's stamp of approval on what that person is saying. And that's God himself stepping in to say, yes, what they're telling you about my son is true. I've seen so many miracles, I couldn't even tell you all of them. And I'm just one person. I have friends that have seen miracles all the time. So my buddy Robbie is saying that the underground church in Iran, especially the young men there, were so Broken and inspired by Charlie Kirk that they praised and worshiped for two hours. And they were just thanking God for Charlie Kirk for two hours straight. And then they couldn't wait to go out into the streets and talk to people about Jesus because they said if Charlie, if Charlie was willing to talk about Jesus, knowing as he shared, Charlie had shared, they want to kill him. They said, what's wrong with me? I'm going to go out and talk to people about Jesus. That's in Iran. So there has absolutely been a global ripple effect because of Charlie's blood that I call him a martyr, 100% modern day, modern day martyr. There's been an amazing, amazing ripple effect from, from Charlie's assassination. Evil happens because people give themselves over to evil and darkness. They let it in, they listen to it, they surrender to it. And the only way to truly combat that is not with our mind, it's not with what we say, it's not with how we conversate. The truly only way to combat that level of darkness, spiritual darkness, is with spiritual light. Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth and the life. I'm the light of the world. So when somebody surrenders, like I seek to do daily and say, God, fill me, use me as I walk and try to live as you did, lead me. Jesus said, I won't leave you as orphans. The Holy Spirit will come to you and he'll be your comforter and he'll be your guide and he will teach you. And that's what I have. I have a relationship with, literally Holy Spirit. Jesus said, the Holy Spirit will come and he guides. And I just try to lead. Excuse me, I try to follow. I let him lead and I just try to follow. And as I do that, he opens doors that nobody could open. He comes in and brings healing. I've prayed for somebody. First time I actually prayed for somebody and saw them instantly healed was a guy named manuel. He was 70 years old. He had an arm brace on. He'd had it on for two months. He was twisting in a light bulb and something tore in his arm and his ligaments. He hadn't been able to raise his arm up to his shoulder for two months. I'm in his home actually for business. This is, this is back in 2000, I think, 12. And I prayed for his. I prayed for his arm and I said, can you turn it? Because it was turned. It was like turned like this. He turned it. He's all, that doesn't hurt. I said, how high can you raise your arm? He Raised it up to here. He said, I couldn't do that before. I said, how high can you raise your arm? He raised it all the way over his head. God totally healed him just like that. So where his wife was named as Sarah. I have this all on video, too. Like, afterwards, I said, can I record what just happened to you? I'll send it to you. But afterwards. And they were Christians, they were praising God. We're all praising God. I went back to packing up my equipment because I was there to show them something, to potentially have them buy something. And then they didn't buy it. And I'm packing up to leave, and that's when I prayed for them. And then he's like, well, I wish I could buy your stuff. And I'm like, I wouldn't let you buy it now, period. Not because of what God just did for you. He's all, but I need new hearing aids. I said, you don't need new hearing aids. You just need new eardrums. Let's pray for that. So, Jillian, he took his hearing aid out. And I'm listening to Holy Spirit. I'm saying what I hear Holy Spirit say for his ears. I don't remember right now exactly what I said. I just remember trying to listen and say what I heard Holy Spirit saying, prayed for his hearing. God completely restored his hearing. His wife went 20ft into the kitchen and said, manuel, can you hear me? And he said, oh, yeah, I can hear you. God totally healed his hearing. Then I'm like, we're kind of on a roll here. Is there anything else you need? And his wife Sarah's like, no, he's great. And Manuel says. Manuel says, actually, my sciatica has been killing me. And again, I was in a place where I was practicing, learning to just listen to Holy Spirit, let him lead. It would have been real easy for me to just jump in and pray again. It would have been really easy. I just seen God do two miracles. It'd been real easy. I heard Holy Spirit say, have Sarah again. These are Christian people in their 70s. Have Sarah lay her hands on him and pray for him. And so I tell Sarah, I said, sarah, you just saw God do two miracles. Why don't you pray for Manuel for his sciatica, that God will just completely heal and take the pain away. So Sarah starts praying for Manuel, her husband. I'm just agreeing, yes, God, thank you, Jesus. We love you. You're amazing. God totally heals his sciatica. He starts walking around, bending up and down, zero pain. I go to the restroom. And Holy Spirit is like, again, it's listening. I have a relationship with Jesus through Holy Spirit. That's the whole point. It's not like, I'm just. It's not like, read the Bible and then try to follow God and hope you make it. That's not what Christianity is. Christianity is Jesus. Fill me up and then lead and guide me as I live every day, live through me. That's what Christianity is, allowing him to live through us. So I'm listening to the Holy Spirit, I'm going to the restroom. And he's like, why don't you see if they'll let you get that on video? So I come back out and I'm like, can I record what God just did for you guys? They said, absolutely. So I have their testimony on video still to this day. So it's not just me sharing it. It's them sharing what God did. That is the power of God. The Bible says it. It's the power of God unto salvation for all who believe. It's. It's not just believe a certain amount of things and then, and then, and then that's it, right? It's the power of God. When the power of God shows up, nobody can argue with that. Nobody can. And that's exactly what I pray for and believe. It's going to take place through every single person and I hope takes place through every person that's. That's seeking God now like they weren't before because of Charlie's assassination, is that they have an encounter with Jesus. They allow themselves and ask to be filled with his presence, and they ask to be led by him. And then they live literally filled with God. That is the Christian message. God is living inside of me and living through me. And then when I pray for somebody, I don't just pray as this isn't just me believing or hoping. This is me allowing God to pray through me for a person, for healing. And I've seen healing on multiple, multiple occasions and seen him do it when it wasn't me. I mean, he does it because he did it in. He did it in the Bible. He's the same yesterday, today, and forever. The Bible says he still does it.

A (42:53)

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B (44:19)

Oh, yeah, a lot of shite.

A (44:20)

As a gay person, you did. Thank you. Thank you. I was like, I was trying to be good about it. You know, as a gay person, it's like, what are you doing? You know, you're supporting this element of, I don't know, politics, this faction of politics that would take everything away from you and your family if they could. Here's the thing. For the longest time, I believed that, and I was afraid of the right for those reasons. Then I started to say, you know what? We've got bigger fish to fry here. Like, there's not an active campaign to go after gays, but they're transing kids. Like, all of this craziness is coming out of. And I have to do the right thing. I have to speak out about this. And then I would sit with conservatives like Higby and Benny Johnson and Charlie himself. And there's a very famous video of Charlie talking to Dave Rubin. And, you know, he's like, listen, you know, he's religious. It's against his religion, but he's like, I don't want to see your family. And he never worked to pass legislation to take away the right for gay people to protect their families. Never. Never worked on it, never put money towards it, never sponsored any sort of policy. And he said, I would not want to see that happen to you and your family.

C (45:55)

I have no problem if, you know, gay marriage, whatever Like I believe marriage, one man, one woman, that's my own personal position. Right. But I'm never gonna tell government to have someone live a life. I think it's cool you're married. I think it's great. And you should have all the same tax benefits, adopt children. It's great.

A (46:06)

There's another famous video of him going after a groiper where he's like, if you don't think there's room for the Dave Rubins and the Peter Thiel's of the world and you know, Peter Thiel's a different conversation Palantir. But like the fact that he's not a gay person. If you don't think there's room for, for those kinds of people in the conservative movement, there's no room for you in this movement.

C (46:27)

Ask you a question. Can I ask you a question then? Sure, go for it. So the American family, Liberty, freedom, the Constitution, our history, veterans, that's what we're conserving. I'll get to you later though. Don't worry. So let me ask, let me ask you a question. What if you had your way, what would you do with gay people in America?

B (46:49)

I. What do I do with them? I would.

C (46:51)

Yeah. Because they're not allowed in the conservative movement. So would you just kick them out anytime they show up at a Republican Party? If you were in, if you were in charge, like, what would you say? You can't be part of the Republican party.

B (47:01)

If somebody is advocating for being openly homosexual. Yeah. They should not be part of the conservative movement.

C (47:10)

So, so every. So I just want to go through the list. Guy Benson, no place in the conservative movement. Dave Rubin, no place in the conservative movement. Peter Thiel, no place in the conservative movement. So that just to go down the list. So I'm going to ask a very respectful question, as respectfully as I can. What does what they do in their private life concern you so much that you have to go up in front of a crowd and. And it is against God.

A (47:42)

That is.

C (47:42)

So let me ask you, are you.

B (47:43)

A Christian or not?

C (47:44)

Do we live in a theocracy? Yes or no?

B (47:47)

No.

C (47:47)

That's a. Do we live in a theocracy? You said you're a Christian. I am a Christian. And do you know what. And guess what? I will say this part of being a Christian is appropriately interpreting what the theological says for the individual, but also means to be long suffering and patient and loving and kind. Jesus Christ talked to all people. Jesus Christ went and did his ministry through Judea and Samaria. And he had dinner with tax collectors, and he had dinner with prostitutes, and he did his ministry in every part of the Mediterranean. What it means to be a Christian, my friend, is to be open minded but firm in your belief. So you can have that belief. But if you say there's something inherently wrong with communicating or associating just because they make different personal decisions than you, then you, sir, are not a conservative. Thanks for being here tonight.

A (48:39)

And Charlie allowed me to speak at Turning Point, and Charlie had me come on his podcast and found common ground with me. And now I'm seeing. And it's okay if you feel this way. I understand, but I'm seeing this resurgence of, like, voraciously anti gay. And I don't know how to reconcile that. And it's in the name of God. And I, David, I didn't choose it. You can think that I chose it. I didn't. I have no trauma. I love men. Arguably prefer their company. I'm being honest. Relate to them more. Have more male friends. Like, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't. Like, nothing happened to me. It just was this way. And I didn't understand it for the longest time. I kept thinking, like. Like, I'm like, I have crushes on men. I am attracted to men. And then the minute it becomes physical, something goes wrong. And I was like, what's wrong with me? Like, I'm frigid. There's something wrong with me. What is wrong with me? And I didn't know. I could not for the life of me figure out, like, what in the world is wrong? And it would probably be the same reaction, honestly, if, like, one of your best guy friends, if Higby just planted one on you, you'd probably be like, okay, whoa, dude. Like. Like, I love you, dude. But, like. But, like, don't, you know, not like that. It's kind of the same thing. Like, I. You could, like, you know, and I couldn't understand it. And then one day a woman kissed me. And all of a sudden I was like, oh, no. And I remember. I swear to you, I remember driving home that night and talking to God, and I'm not religious, and thinking, like, you can't do this to me. Like, I can't. I was homophobic. I'm like, you can't. Like, gays are gross. Oh, yeah, no, no. I, like, I really. I was, like, repulsed. I grew up in an environment where, you know, gays were grow. Like, this was not 2020. Like. And I was like, I can't Like, I don't want this. Like, this is not what I want. I do not want this. And to be honest, of course I love my wife. She's like the light of my life. And I thank God every day, literally something that created my children. So how do I reconcile with that? I'm being honest with you. How do I reconcile with that? I can't, I can't belong to something that fundamentally thinks I'm going to hell. And that's where I think so many people who are liberal look at this and go, no. Now, like, what do we do with that, David, I'm asking, honestly, I personally.

B (51:16)

I really appreciate the question of honesty that you're, that you're, that you're sharing right now and for asking me. And I think that, I think honestly you're jumping a couple steps, okay? I think before you, before you try to worry about or concerned with anything that's going on in your life, right? Your love life, sex life, financial life, political life, business life, everything in your life, right? Before you try to make adjustments or fear that you need to make adjustments for whatever. And I'm not, I'm not. Again, I'm not saying that the Bible is very clear on homosexuality. I'm not saying that it's very clear, right, but so it is with lying as well. It is with fornication. It is with cowardly is actually in the Book of Revelations. Bible's like, God's like, if you're a coward, right? Like that's, he's not calling us to be cowardly. And as well as all the other things, there's a lot of things, okay, but what I'm saying is all those things are something that it takes God in the equation to help bring clarity to, and then that's a journey in and of itself, right? I already shared my journey with you. I got radically saved at 18. I was actually raised in a spirit filled church. My mom said I was filled with the Holy Spirit. Had a Bible verse for every letter of the Alphabet by the time I was 7. And then my parents got divorced at 9. I wasn't in the church anymore. So there's a, there's a history there that's just a. That's like, I don't, that's a fun fact for me, I guess. I don't know. But, but then at 18, right, I said yes to God. I said yes to Jesus. I said, come into my life. But then I still had seasons where I walked and did things my own way. I had a business in my early 20s that was doing $2 million a year. I'm 23, 24 years old with $200,000 a month going through my bank account. And I went from writing some pretty good sized checks at church to buying out the bar, you know, a season later. And everybody at the bar called me the mayor. And I had some internal things that I had to deal with. And I, I don't, I can't speak to any massive trauma issues that I went through either as far as physical, sexual or anything else. I think the biggest thing for me was my parents getting divorced at nine and then me going to live with my dad and him not being. If you're familiar with the five love languages, Acts of service, Physical touch, Quality time, Gifts and surprises. And there's another one I'm missing. But my dad was, was not Physical Touch or words of affirmation was the last one actually. And I lived with my dad and then I'd go live with my mom for two months out of the year and she would, you know, tell me, you know, call me King David and that God has all amazing things in store for me. And she loved to give me hugs and, and I go live with my dad for 10 months out of the year and I didn't get any of that. And I harbored so much bitterness and resentment towards my dad, I didn't realize it. I had no idea until I was in my late 30s. Late 30s, I went through something called restoring the foundation that actually kind of walks, walks a person through hidden things that are inside of our, Inside of our soul and our psyche, our being that will dictate how we operate and why we do what we do. But they're hidden, they're subconscious. They're at a subconscious level. We don't even know that they're there. But it's because of agreements that we've made. Maybe when we were. Earlier on, when I, when I, my parents got divorced and I started with my dad and my mom wasn't there. I remember crying when I was 11 years old, 10, 11 years old in the closet because my mom wasn't there. My dad wasn't showing me the love like I thought, like I felt. And the way I received love. I had a roof over my head. I always had clothes, I always had food. He was, he always took care of me, made sure I was safe and secure. That was him showing me he loved me. But for me to. The way I received loves with words of affirmation and physical touch, I didn't get any of it. I Was starved of it. So I had so much bitterness and resentment towards my dad for decades and had no idea that it actually all stemmed back from my parents divorce, living with my dad, not feeling loved, and then also feeling like the women that I love the most and need the most will leave me. That was a lie that I had believed back sometime in my teenage years, early years, 8, 9, 10, 11, whatever, which then would come out in relationships, it would be. I'd self sabotage relationships. And I would do that. Historically, I just had that. I had that, that I battled, I share all that. To just say, we all have stuff. Nobody's perfect. Nobody's saying you've got to live perfect. When you accept Jesus, just start with Jesus. Just start. Once you start and you invite him in again, nobody's ever argued that he walked and lived. Nobody ever argued that he was crucified. The only argument is, is he who he said he was? And yet there's 2 billion people alive today that say, I truly believe he is who he said he was. The Son of God that came to pay for the sins of mankind. His crucifixion was actually for me and for you and for anybody that will just believe. And it's a free gift. He says it's a free gift. Eternal life is a free gift from God. Accept what I did for you. That's where you start, Jillian. Anybody else watching? That's where you start. And I was praying for you big time before this. Like I spent some time in prayer. I was like, papa, Papa, God, if you have something for Jillian, I just pray you would just release it. Open the door for me to speak to her and just, just love on her. Reveal yourself to her. Let her know how much you love, that you love her. So it's incredible that we're having this conversation because I prayed for that. And that's where you start all the other stuff. It'll figure itself out. Fear will keep you from taking action, right? Fear of unknown fear is always false evidence appearing real. We don't know what tomorrow looks like. But it should all start with, it's just, it's all about Jesus. Start there. And all you do is say, well, Jesus, you were crucified. Even if you just went with like, if you read the Case for Christ, Lee Strobel, the Case for Christ. Somebody that did not believe and didn't want to believe in Jesus and looked at all the historical evidence presented and said, there's no possible way that everything has transpired till to today for Christianity, unless Jesus did come back from the. From the dead. And if he came back from the dead, he came back from the dead with the reason of proving that he was telling the truth. So you just say, jesus, I accept what you did for me on the cross. Again, he says he did that for you, for me. Come into my life, reveal yourself to me, fill me up with your holy spirit, with your presence, and then help me live for you. And then you're starting a relationship, and everything else will work itself out, however it works itself out. But that's where you got to start.

A (58:46)

Thank you so much for taking the time. You also. I mean, you're an extremely successful entrepreneur. You have a fantastic supplement line on top of your fantastic book and your fantastic show. Can you tell everybody before we get to that, where they can get. Oh, yeah.

B (59:03)

Before we get to that, though, I'm going to ask you.

A (59:06)

Yeah.

B (59:07)

Would you like to pray that prayer with me? I lead you in a prayer, and you just pray exactly what I said and not put you on the spot. No pressure. You can always do it later, too.

A (59:14)

I'll do it. I'm going to do it. I'm open to whatever, man. I just. I just don't want to ever be in a position where I exclude anybody who doesn't believe or I judge anybody who doesn't believe, or I, you know, I'll never. Like, my family is my most cherished thing. I could never go. There's nothing in the world. It's like, I know down the road, in the next election, I'm gonna have to choose between transient kids and my family. I'm like, this is what I'm gonna be faced with in four years. I'm like, what am I gonna do? Like, I don't even know if I'll be qualified to vote, I swear to you. Because the challenges on both sides will be too great for me to make a smart decision. I know that's what I'm gonna be dealing with. So the only thing I can think about right now is like, how do I be a good person? How do I try to tell the truth in these podcasts and let people decide for themselves? And there's something about this religion that unquestionably calls to me. The principles of it unquestionably call to me. I've never read the Bible. I know there's stuff in the Old Testament in particular that's archaic, about slavery and all of that. I've never read it. I mean, I've heard it a million times. I don't see anybody. I actually Wanted to have Wes Hoffont, Wesley Hoffon to talk to me about the Old Testament, the New Testament. Like, what is the difference here? What about all this stuff? But there's something about these principles of trying to turn the other cheek, trying to be the bigger person, trying to be the best version of yourself. Try not lying, not cheating, not stealing, you know, not hurting people. That I'm like, I do want to be that person. It's just I get tripped up in some of these things you and I talked about.

B (61:01)

Yeah.

A (61:02)

And you've given me a really good place to start. And I'll absolutely. I'll definitely follow you in a prayer. Absolutely. I'd be honored to.

B (61:09)

All right.

A (61:10)

Okay. What do I do?

B (61:11)

So we're gonna pray. Let me pray and then I'll say. Repeat after me. Okay, I'm just gonna pray first and just say, Father, thank you, Jesus. Thank you for the opportunity to have this conversation with Jillian. God, I truly believe that you saw this day, this moment, in this hour, from before you even created the world. That, as she's even said, something's been calling to her. God, I know that's you. I know that's your presence that's been calling her to you, because that's who you are. You are a perfect, perfect Father. And you love your daughter Jillian. So, Jillian, just say this. Say Jesus.

A (61:54)

Jesus.

B (61:57)

I believe that you are the son of God.

A (62:02)

I believe that you are the Son of God.

B (62:06)

And that you died on the cross for me.

A (62:10)

And that you died on the cross for me.

B (62:14)

I invite you into my life right now.

A (62:19)

I invite you into my life right now.

B (62:24)

I ask you to forgive me for anything I've done wrong.

A (62:28)

I ask you to forgive me for anything that I've done wrong.

B (62:34)

And help me to live for you.

A (62:37)

And help me to live for you.

B (62:41)

In Holy Spirit.

A (62:44)

In Holy Spirit.

B (62:46)

I give you permission. I give you permission to come into my heart.

A (62:54)

To come into my heart.

B (62:57)

Fill me up with your presence.

A (63:00)

And fill me up with your presence.

B (63:03)

Help me to hear your voice.

A (63:07)

Help me to hear your voice.

B (63:14)

In Jesus name.

A (63:17)

In Jesus name.

B (63:19)

Now just sit and rest for a minute. Just sit and rest for a minute. Father, I just thank you for Jillian, her open heart, her transparency. God, I ask you to reveal yourself to her like never before. Make it crystal clear in her heart and mind, Holy Spirit. Make it crystal clear, clear in her heart and her mind that you now reside in her. That's what being a Christian is. It's being filled with your presence, Holy Spirit. Fill her up. I Release A blessing I declare over her, her family and all her friends. And I just pray a courage to continue to seek you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Well, you just invited Jesus into your life. That's all Jesus says. He says, come to me all you that are weary and heavy laden, that are burdened. I'll give you rest. So a lot of people notice that. They feel peace. Do you feel anything on you? You feel any different right now? Do you feel any. Be open, transparent. You don't have to say you do or if you don't or do you feel anything at all?

A (64:41)

I feel really lucky to have had this time with you. And I feel like you gave me this special gift and I'm gonna be open to what comes and just do what you said and try to take it one step at a time and not try to forecast years in advance and bite my nails. I just be in this moment and try to listen and be open to guidance and because I was like, okay, I will. I didn't know really where to start. I'll be honest. It's a big friggin book and there's two of them.

B (65:22)

I know it's the fourth book.

A (65:24)

Where does one start? With this. Okay.

B (65:26)

Is the fourth book in the New Testament. So the Old Testament, Wesley Huff is amazing, but the Old Testament is all before Jesus. It's basically they lived under the rule of the law and they had to do, do, do or sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice to atone for their sins. All under law. Jesus came and split time in half, right? You've got BC and Adam that we all live by. He came and split time in half and he fulfilled the law with his own sacrifice through his crucifixion and the blood that he shed. He fulfilled the law so that we don't have to go kill animals and try to ask God to forgive us. The Bible calls him the perfect Lamb, the Lamb of God. So literally God became man through Jesus or as Jesus in order to live perfect so that then he could pay that penalty of sin for all mankind. And then that's why on the, on the cross he said, it is finished. It's finished, the debt's paid. No, no more. Does anybody have to worry about atoning for their sin if they just accept Jesus? And you can ask Jesus every day to forgive, every minute, every hour. I was like, man, I shouldn't have said that. Holy Spirit will speak to you, right? He'll guide you. You'll hear his voice. The more time you spend in his presence, I'll have to send you that. That Spotify playlist as well. Just amazing songs written by people that I know know him. They're singing to him. It's not just songs. It's like there's. They're singing to him. They have a relationship with him and you can feel it in the music and in what they say and in how they're singing. And so the more time you spend in his presence and read the Bible. Book of John is the fourth book of the New Testament. The New Testament is. It all starts with Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the first four books. And those are disciples that walked with Jesus. Except for Luke. Different story. But he was not too long after the disciples. But Matthew, Mark and John walked and lived with Jesus. And so it's their account of what they saw. And Luke actually wrote it through somebody else that walked and lived with Jesus through asking questions. But yeah. So the fourth book is John and it's hard to read how Jesus lived, how he operated and not fall in love with him and then all the while realizing that he literally was tortured to death. Just as a final stamp of this is my love for you. Like I'm willing to be crucified, torturous, horrible death so that you could just accept what I did for you as a free gift and invite me into your life like you just did. And now you're working and walking and living with Jesus in your life and now you're on a new journey. And I heard it called a romantic journey of faith, which I love because it is. And even Jesus said, only one day at a time. He said, take not thought for tomorrow. Tomorrow will take thought for itself. There's enough worries and cares for tomorrow. He's focus on today. One day at a time. That'd be my biggest encouragement for you. One day at a time. Read the Book of John and then I'll send you some good, good worship playlist that I personally put together. I listen. That's really almost all I listen to. I was listening to it right before we got started today.

A (69:15)

I can't thank you enough. I feel ridiculous promoting stuff. But, but, but you have an incredible. I mean, no, we do have to. You have an. People, please. Best we do. Okay, I'm gonna do it, guys. David has a fantastic supplement line. A fantastic book, a fantastic show. The polls just give people a little bit. Just a little bit. Where do they find this stuff? And they can do their own homework then, please.

B (69:45)

So my show on Newsmax Monday through Friday, Newsmax 2. So you watch it via the app. It's on Newsmax cable Saturday and Sunday, but Monday through Friday at 7 Central, 8 Eastern. The pulse, it's called. And my website is David. David harrisjr.com. my social media is David J. Harris Jr. Just Junior. And then my wife and I supplement company that we absolutely Love is called Living R3L I V I N G R3 dot com. And you can see all around our products, they're absolutely second to none products. They work, they're effective. And we donate 3% of gross product sales to nonprofits that fight sex trafficking. And literally are the nonprofits that go out and do rescue missions and rescue women and children from trafficking. But, yeah, that's the tidbit. I'm just so blown away how God opened the door for you to pray and invite Jesus in. And I'm so excited. I'm truly so excited for what he's gonna do in your life. He's gonna blow you away.

A (70:45)

Be patient with me because it's been a rough road. Let's see. Because I don't wanna disappoint you. But hopefully, like, if I could just not make the world a worse place, I feel like that's gonna be a win, you know? Like, I think you do so much already.

B (70:59)

You do so much already. You are so amazing already. And honestly, again, just speaking bluntly, you're doing that in your own might and your own power now, inviting Jesus in. You literally have the God man, great creator of the universe living inside of you to help you. He empowers you. Now you're superwoman as you lean into him.

A (71:21)

Let me tell you, now you're superwoman.

B (71:23)

It's a whole other level.

A (71:23)

You've got a lot of work to do, dude. So get going. You've been invited in and I. Let's get going together. I adore you. Thank you. And if I hope that I'll be able to call on you again for any and all things, I just.

B (71:44)

Absolutely.

A (71:46)

And same on this end. If I can help with any cell.

B (71:48)

Phone number and yeah, anytime you reach out, anytime.

A (71:53)

Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe and share and make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.