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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Inside the 100-Year Plan to Destroy the West: Terror Survivor Warns What's Coming
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Today, I'm joined by Brigitte Gabriel, terrorism survivor, national security expert, and founder of act for America, one of the largest grassroots counter extremism organizations in the country. Now, Brigitte has spent decades studying radical Islamist ideology, intelligence networks, and global terror movements. And today we're digging into some of the biggest issues shaping the world right now. The prospects for a peace deal in the Gaza Strip, the future of Iran, the history of Islam versus political Islam, and how groups like the Muslim Brotherhood openly outline their mission to undermine Western societies.
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And here in America, world hijab day a few days ago. And, you know, people are walking into school, start telling girls to, oh, try this hijab on. You're gonna look so good. What is wrong with these people in America? Aren't they watching what's happening in Iran?
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And most importantly, we tackle the hard question, how do we tell the difference between peaceful people and real ideological threats? And why getting that wrong has consequences for everyone? Let's get into it. Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels. So let's begin with. You're. You're a little girl, you're raised in Lebanon. For you said most of your life, you're getting along with your Muslim neighbors, the Jewish neighbors. And then all of a sudden, war breaks out in Lebanon. And there, the Muslims have turned on you guys, they're killing you guys, and you escape at 20. Can you give me this, this story?
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I'll give you a quick background. A lot of people ask me, brigitte, where does your passion come from? When you speak, you're just so passionate. And I tell them, in order for you to understand where my passion comes from, you have to understand what shaped me into who I am today and what I went through. I was born into an upper middle class Lebanese family. My father was retired by the time I was born. I'm an only child. I lived such a. I had such a wonderful childhood with my parents. I was loved. We owned a restaurant, one of the most famous restaurants in southern Lebanon. People used to drive from all over south Lebanon to eat at my father's restaurant. I grew up in an environment where people, in the evening, we ate dinner at the restaurant with my dad. I knew a lot of people in town. I knew you, a lot of people from outside of town, people who would drive specifically to eat in our restaurant. My father was so brilliant, he bought the first television in our town. People would come to watch the news or watch tv. It was a big, exciting thing. Put it in the restaurant. Big draw. Okay? Big draw. So I grew up hearing conversations at My daddy's restaurant on the tables around us. And I ended up, grew up eating one night with our Muslim friends and one night with our Christian friends and one night with our Jewish friends. It was normal. But when we imported, when we accepted a third wave of Palestinian refugees in 1975, that's when you started seeing the tension rise in Lebanon. And Lebanon, most people don't realize, is a republic exactly like the United States of America. When you look at the Middle East, I call them tribes with flags. You can identify every country with one man regime or one royal family. The only two democratic countries in the Middle east are Lebanon and Israel. And Lebanon used to be majority Christian. Unfortunately, with the rise of the numbers of the Palestinians that came into Lebanon, they put their heads together with the Muslims, they became the majority and they started killing the Christians. My 9, 11 happened to me in 1975 when they were trying to take over the military base over my home. They missed the military base and 14 bombs landed on my home at once, blowing it up, burning me under. The rebel wounded. I ended up in a hospital for two and a half months. And as I went from one surgery to another, I would ask my father, why did they do this to us? And my father would tell me, because we are Christians. They consider us infidels and they want to kill us. So I learned, Gillian, that I am wanted dead simply because I was born into the Christian faith and lived in a Christian town. I learned that lesson at the age of 10. We ended up living in a bomb shelter because my home was no longer the home I left. We ended up living in an 8 by 10 room. Ironically, that was the storage room that my father used for the bomb shelter. That's where he stored all the wine and liquor, et cetera, you know, because it was underground. And that's where we lived for seven years of my life. By the time I became 20 years old, I had buried most of my friends who were killed by Islamic radicals. I remember growing up in the bomb shelter. We would go out and we didn't have any food. The Islamists cut off all food supply to our town. We would crawl out of our bomb shelter and dig out dandelion and different vegetation that grew around because that was the only greenery we had to eat to get some water. We would crawl under snipers bullets. We were surrounded by Islamic and Palestinian snipers just to get a drink of water from the nearby spring. And every time we left, we would say our last goodbyes because we did not know if we're gonna Come back alive or dead just to get a drink of water. I remember at the beginning of the war, we thought, it's gonna be just a two week ordeal, you know, I mean, we, of course everything's gonna end. It's just a little fight and everything's gonna end well. Three years later, the world forgot about us. We were nothing but a blurp on the evening news. And I remember we had only our Christian militia in the town protecting us. And I remember a friend of mine stopped by and he said, brigitte, I just want you to know that we heard a lot of chatter on the radios and we believe they're gonna attack our town tonight. And I don't think we're gonna last. I think our town's gonna fall tonight. And he said, if I don't see you tomorrow, I wish you a merciful death. And he left. And I remember Gillian dressing up in my burial clothes at the age of 13 in my Sunday best, my Easter dress, it was a blue dress with white flowers on it. And I remember sobbing, crying as my mother combed my long black hair down to my hips and she tied the white ribbon in my hair that matched the daisies in my blue dress. I'll never forget that. And I sobbed looking in a mirror, crying, I don't want to die. I'm only 13 years old. Please do something. And there was nothing my mother could say to me. And I remember sitting with my father and my mother in the corner of our bomb shelter. We had a two hour cease fire. And my father opened up the Bible. My parents were devout Christian, and he opened up the Bible and started reading from Psalms. I shall walk into the valley of death and fear no evil, for thou art with me. And my parents said to me, they said, we lived a long life. You are an only child. When they attack us tonight, if they come to our bomb shelter, we will create a distraction. We want you to escape and run as fast as you can towards Israel. You see, we lived five kilometers from the Israeli border, from Metula. And we knew if we run to Israel and beg the Jews for help, the Jews are not going to slaughter us. Because we had more shared values with them than we had with the Muslims. And thank God I didn't have to make that difficult decision that night. Because that's the night when Israel came in physically into Lebanon and established the security zone in 1978 and set up artillery bases around our town so the Islamists will not be able to get to us. And this is how we lived for another five years until 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon, working with the Christians, trying to help the Christians take back their country, save their democracy and kick out the Palestinians or the radical element out of Lebanon at that time. And that's how they were able to kick out Yasser Arafat and his cronies all the way to Tunisia. And that's how we came out of the bomb shelter and back to rebuilding our lives.
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You know, I've wondered why Arab countries will not take the Palestinian refugees. I'm thinking, what? What in the name of God is going on? Like why is there is a Palestinian state in Jordan? Why is Jordan not taking Palestinians? Why is Egypt not taking Palestinians? I don't understand.
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Jordan did and they tried to overthrow the king and do a coup. So King Hussein in 1974, 75, bulldozed 30,000 of them and kicked them out. That's how Lebanon ended up accepting a third wave of Palestinian refugees. We took them when they were kicked out of Jordan, we ended up taking them out of Jordan. And look what they did in Lebanon, in Jordan, they couldn't do it because of the dictatorship of the king, an Islamic king like the Shah of Iran, who had his finger, his thumb on them to keep them down. Lebanon being a republic, open minded, fair, tolerant, multicultural, Christian, we welcomed them, you know, do unto others what you want to do, what you want others to do unto you. We take in refugees. None of the Arabic countries wanted to take them anymore. None. Saudi Arabia didn't want them. Jordan did not no longer want them. They tried to overthrow the king, they destroyed Kuwait. And so the other Arabic countries looked around and they said, why would we want to bring these people over here? So they destroyed Lebanon. These people do not share our values. They were different. They're very violent and they just destroy everywhere they go. And that's exactly after all the fighting with Hamas after October 7th. Rafa, when you look at the gate, at the wall, at the border wall between Egypt and Gaza, Egypt did not want one of them. Egypt would rather watch them all drown in sewage in the tunnels in Gaza by Hamas than accept one of them. Look at Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has tents set up for the Hajj. You know, the Muslims go to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj once a year. Saudi Arabia has tents that can take in a million people where they can live in air conditioned tent, They've got air conditioning, he heating, you know, like you are in a five star resort. They're already set up empty all year long except for one month, the month of Ramadan. The Hajj, when they come to Saudi Arabia, empty. 11 months. Saudi Arabia could have taken all of them to Saudi Arabia. They speak the Arabic language. They could have put their kids in Islamic schools in Saudi Arabia. They practice Sharia law. It's the same type of weather. But they would not accept them. None of them. So here you have America, Biden, importing refugees from Gaza. Why is it our job to import refugees from Gaza? Why doesn't Saudi Arabia take them? They have the space, they have the tents. They have everything set up already. But this is how the west is losing the war. We are reflecting our values on evil people who do not share our values. We do not understand their culture. We do not understand Islam. We do not understand what the word fat mean. You know, America, the Westerners are clueless about Islam. And so this is how we are losing the war.
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You know, okay, so I mentioned my. My wife had lived in Kuwait for three years, and she was saying that they actually have a very, like a see something, say something. They look out for radical Islamists because they will commit acts of terror on other Muslims. And I didn't understand that didn't make sense to me. All I knew is there was the Sunni and the Shia. But then I learned that the Muslim Brotherhood was labeled as a terror organization in Saudi Arabia and the uae and they put a blockade on Qatar, I think. In 2017, I interviewed a woman named Franny Block who was investigating how much money Qatar had poured into lobbying here in America. Um, and she was explaining to me that they had put this blockade on Qatar because Qatar would not refused to label the Muslim Brotherhood as a terror organization. So one more thing I want to throw out there, I recently read, I think, think this was in the uae. They were saying that they will not fund or send their students to the west for an education because they're worried that they'll get radicalized in the Western world. So what do these Arab nations understand because they're Muslim that the. The west doesn't understand? I'm like, Muslim, Muslim, what's the difference?
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The Arabic world understands this. I knew we're going to talk about this, so I'm prepared. Here is the Muslim Brotherhood plan for North America. This is. It's in Arabic and it's in English. This is the version presented by our government. You see the number. The government number on the bottom. It was presented as evidence in the largest terrorism financing trial in the history of our country, where our government sued the Holy Land foundation in Dallas, Texas, in 2007. 2000 and handed down 108 guilty verdicts to Muslim American and Muslim American organizations raising money in the United States to the tune of over $12 million raised in 150 and $160 segments, which is the price of a suicide belt for a suicide bomber. So here is the plan. It's in Arabic and it's in English and I'm going to share it. So this is fact. We're not talking opinion. So it starts with that. Here it is in the English version. So we start on this page. With the English version. On this page is when they start talking about the Muslim Brotherhood plan for North America. And it says, and I'm going to read you a paragraph here, it is highlighted in yellow. Understanding the role of the Muslim brother in North America. The process of settlement is a civilization jihadist process with all the word means the quan, which is the Arabic word for brothers must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging. And they put that under parentheses, its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions. As you can see, they don't mince words. They're not beating around the bush. This is evidence. This is fact. This is not opinion. On the second page, I'm going to read you just a little bit. It says the success of the movement in America in establishing an Islamic base with power and effectiveness will be the best support and aid to the global movement project. They have a 100 year global plan to infiltrate and dominate and bring down the west. They are now 35 years into their plan. And what are we doing? Nothing. We are burying our head in the sand pretending the problem did not exist. If you have time, I'd like to read you a couple more items. But if we don't have time.
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No, we have time. We, we, we, we have plenty. No, no, no, we have time.
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All right, all right. So. And the. They talk about how they are building segments to infiltrate our society. All our society. In this plan. They talk about, for example, creating the, the. This whole page is lists of all the p. Of all the organizations they want to create. The women's organization, an economic organization, youth organization, social organizations. The security organization, political organization, judicial organization. The media and art organization. The intellectual and cultural organization, Scientific, educational and professional organization. The Islamic American founding conference, the Shura Council for the Islamic American Movement. These are the consultants for Obama, by the way. The executive office of The Islamic American Movement, Chairman of the Islamic Movement and its official spokesperson, field leaders and organization and Islamic centers. By the way, right now we have 3500 most and Islamic centers all throughout the United States. But the most important page of this is the last page. On this page they list 29Front Islamic Organization set up in America with. With the sole purpose of destroying America from within. And I'm going to start number one on the list. Here we go. And here's the title. A list of our organizations and the organizations of our friends. Number one is not Islamic Society of North America. Islamic Society of North America were advisors to President Obama about Middle east policy. So not only we had the fox watching the henhouse, we had the fox inside the White House talking policy in the ear of the President. This is exactly why when Obama delivered his speech in Egypt, remember his first famous speech to the Arabic world, to the Islamic world, he went to Egypt. And contrary to Mubarak at that time, the President of Egypt, who was against the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama goes behind and around and on top of the President of Egypt, Mubarak, and brings in the Muslim Brotherhood and gives them the two front seats in front of his speech when he was there. Number two on the list, the msa.
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I'm sorry, can I ask you one question? Forgive me, I wasn't paying close enough attention back then, but I thought Mubarak was an absolute monster.
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I thought Mubarak was the. He was not a monster. He was before the Muslim Brotherhood, Mubarak was the vice president. When Sadat, who signed the peace treaty with Israel, he was working with Sadat. He got elected after Sadat was assassinated and he continued the peace treaty with Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood hated his guts. And when they did their coup in the Arab Spring. Remember the Arab Spring, and everybody had high hopes.
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Yes.
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That's when they got rid of him, threw him out of power. And they took power until cece, who's right now the leader, did a military coup where they went in, took over the military, took over the government and kicked out the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Okay, got it. I'm with you.
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Yeah. So number two on the list is the Muslim Student Association. The Muslim Student association has more chapters on American college campuses than the Democrats and the Republicans combined. And this is exactly why, when after October 7th and you saw all these people, the students demonstrating on college campuses, where do you think they came from? The Muslim Student association has been working college campuses for years. Actually, they set it up in 1964 in the United States. The first Muslim Student Association Association. Right now they are Goliath. Right now they gave us Mamdani. Remember, Mamdani was involved with the Muslim Student Association. And I can go down the list. Let's see, we've got the Islamic Medical association, the association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, etc Nate. The North Islamic American Trust, which owns the deed to the majority of mosques in the United States. Number 22 on the list is IAP, Islamic association for Palestine, which later became CAIR Council on American Islamic Relations because they wanted the name. That doesn't show that they are supporters of Hamas, et cetera. This is fact. This is not Brigitte Gabrielle's opinion. This is not Gillian's opinion. This is not Islamophobes making things up. Now the radicals can say anything they want. By the way, this plan is available right now. We have a promotion on our website, actforamerica.org go to our website. My organization. We are the largest grassroots movement in America, standing up to fight to preserve our culture, our security and our values. By the way, when we talk about these issues and people call us Islamophobes, I don't give a fly who thinks I'm an Islamophobe. Our job right now is, is protect our country from an enemy determined to destroy us. And who calls U.S. islamophobes? CARE. The Council on American Islamic Relations. The SPLC, who works with CARE. The ACLU, which basically became the legal arm of CARE. So the, the leftist and the Islamist right now are coming together, working together. The left is being used as the useful idiots being at the hand of Islamists with an agenda. All these organizations in the United States, all 22 of them working against us. This is why the UAE, all these Islamic countries understand what the Muslim Brotherhood is doing in the west now. It's no skin off their back. Because hey, if they want to spread Islam, you know they're not a threat to us. We ban them over here. We can continue our fiefdom. We can continue our kingdom. If they want the west to fall, that's fine with us. We don't care. But we should care. We are Westerners. We are talking about your future, my future, our children's future. This is our country. These are our countries in the West. Countries that are founded on Judeo Christian value system. Australia, Canada, America, France, England, all of Europe. We are seeing the demise of Europe before our very eyes. And you know, I've been talking about this. People have been writing about this. This is nothing new. It's not like we did not know this was written in 19 in the 80s, they wrote it. And the 1991, the North American version was written. This is for North America. I write about this stuff. When I wrote about this stuff in 2008, my book they Must Be Stopped came out. This book, why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can do it, talks about the Muslim Brotherhood project in detail, the whole book, their plan. And I go in detail into Europe, into America, into what's happening in Israel and the Middle East. People did not want to listen. We've been talking about this for 25 years. So when you look at the Muslim Brotherhood plan right now, they are 35 years into their plan and it is working because people in the west are refusing to listen. But you know, Julian, thank God for shows like you, who are giving a platform to people like me, our friend Dave Rubin, all the amazing talk radio, all the amazing podcasts that we have, people who are speaking up. The west is starting to wake up. Only after October 7th that the Jewish community in the United states, which is 80% leftist Democrat, woke up to realize the people that we thought were our friends. The Black Lives Matter, the Muslim Student association, all these people, we had outreach program to all these mosques. We allowed all these imams to come give a preach in our synagogues, turned against us. And they started waking up. But especially after this last Christmas, Christmas of 2025, Americans in general started watching what's happening in Europe. The Christmas markets being fortified like a military base, like in Germany. Christmas markets being canceled all together in different parts of Europe, in Switzerland and France, in Germany, everywhere, Christmas celebration and New Year's Eve celebration is canceled in Paris, in Germany. So people started saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is coming over here. We do not want it. And that's exactly why you see the anti Sharia caucus in Congress, finally, that gave our leaders a spine to say, we need to wake up. We need to do something to protect America.
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What I'm trying to differentiate is like, I actually love the Middle East. I've been to Jordan, I've been to Qatar, I've been to the uae, But. But what I'm trying to understand is why is it that I can have a bunch of Muslim friends who don't wear a hijab and who are totally fine with my marriage to a woman and are. We don't have any issues, get along. Amazing. And then, then there's Iran, which I think the mullahs, the ayatollah, that's everything I do not want in America. How am I supposed to reconcile these two versions of Islam? And I I, I feel like a lot of us are having a hard time understanding that. So the minute you, you know, you look at something like Iran and you're seeing women beaten and slaughtered when their hair is showing and this hijab and what Iran used to look like before radical Islam took over, and it's, it, it, that to me is pure evil. But then I go to Jordan, I go to Saudi Arabia, I'm having dinner with my Muslim friend. My wife, like I said, mentioned, lived in Kuwait, has tons of. How do people separate this? I don't think, I don't understand personally, what is the difference between Islam and radical Islam? What turns somebody into radical Islam? How do you get from Jordan or the UAE or Dubai to Iran?
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The more devout they are and adherent to the Islamic ideology, the more radical they are. They are wonderful Muslims in the west, they are wonderful Muslims in the Middle east who do not want to kill anybody. They practice the spiritual side of Islam, which is great. Everybody loves practicing some form of a spiritual connection to the greater creator of this universe. Whether you call him Allah, whether you call him God, Jesus, Yahweh, superpowers, power, infinite intelligence, the universe, whatever you call it, a lot of people acknowledge there is something that is beyond our understanding and the greater world, however you define it for yourself. Okay? So we all have that. And it's a beautiful thing. It's beautiful to acknowledge that we are a small part of something so much bigger than ourselves. And we live good lives and we love other people and we try to be good to other people and we try not to commit sin, not to murder people. You know, to live an honest life, not cheat, not lie, lie, not steal, you know, not cause harm to others. You know, most people have this element of goodness in them and a lot of Muslims in the world do that. I mean, look how many Muslims in America who are Black Muslims who adhere to the Islamic religion have never read the Quran, do not know how to read it in Arabic. They do not want to commit attacks against anybody. They just love the structure of their religion. It gives them structure, it gives them spirituality and they love it. And there is nothing wrong with that. I have a lot of friends who are Muslim, of course, I come from the Middle east, so I have wonderful friends. I love the Middle Eastern culture. I miss my home country of Lebanon. I love Lebanon. I'm a first generation immigrant. I came on the twa. I love this country. I only have one country in the world and that's the United States of America, not Lebanon. I may have Been born in Lebanon. I maybe have been shaped by my upbringing in Lebanon. But I am an American citizen, not American, Lebanese, not Italian. Not American, Italian, nothing. We in America need to get back to the bases. We are Americans and nothing but Americans. And this is the spirit that we need to have back in this country. And that's why we fight so hard to protect and preserve this country, because we know what we left. If it was any good, if our countries were so hot, we wouldn't be in the United States of America.
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Does it outrage you when you see, I'm sorry, but white liberals lecturing on what Iranians must feel, what Palestinians must feel. You know, the US as, as the great Satan, the ultimate imperialists. You see kids on college campuses wearing a keffiyeh that come from, you know, the middle of Indiana. Does that just make you want to tear someone's head off? I've seen so many white liberals lecturing Iranians, Lebanese people, Gadsad, yourself. I mean, how does that make you feel? And what are they getting wrong?
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It, it is very sad for me and very frustrating. Especially now watching what's happening in Iran. Women are beaten, raped, tortured, killed, maimed. I mean, you've seen the pictures, the videos as much as I have. I'm sure it's all over the Internet. Unbearable for refusing to wear a hijab. And here in America, we world Hijab day a few days ago.
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Oh my God.
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And you know, people are walking into school, start telling girls to oh, try this hijab on. You're gonna look so good. What is wrong with, with these people in America? Aren't they watching what's happening in Iran? And you know, you brought up God sad and me as Lebanese. He's a Jewish Lebanese, I'm a Christian Lebanese. How come we are not safe in our own countries?
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So when I see the leftist in our country sympathizing with the Islamist, you know, people like God and I, you know, look at each other and we're friends, by the way. Yeah, yeah. You know, we look at this and we think it hurts so deeply because they're not believing our stories. We're not talking about something that we heard from somebody else. We're sharing our personal stories, why we left people, things that we have experienced and they still don't believe us and they still call us liars and they still decide to bury their head in the sand, ignore what's happening in Iran, have hijab day and be so proud of themselves. Especially white liberal women, you know, pushing a hijab.
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You know, speaking as a former white liberal woman, here's what, what, what I used to think if it was hijab day, I would just think it was something that you loved if you wore hijab and it was something you cherished, it was something you wanted, it was part of your culture. And I would want you to know, like, I think that's great if that'. You. I'm down with it for you. Oh, you're, you know, I was asked recently by David Harris Jr. To, to pray with him, to, to Jesus. And I'm like, well, I'm not, I don't subscribe to an organized religion, but I must admit I'm fascinated by the teachings of Christ. Seems like a pretty good guy. Like, I'm honored to partake in this with you if, if, you know, I've participated in religious. I'm going to a Shabbat with Abigail Shrier tonight. I'm so excited. It's my first one. I've never been Shabbat dinner, despite growing, as I mentioned, growing up with everybody Jewish. I don't know why, like, I'm honored to do that. I would have thought of it as some sort of like, oh, try our. It's a job. It's something special of our culture that we're sharing with you. I think they see it that way. I don't think they understand their job as, as a symbol of oppression against women. They don't know any better. They really don't. They See these grotesque, devastating images coming out of Palestine, and it's like, make this effing stop. Make it stop. I don't care. Make it stop. I don't want to see one more child dead in the rubble. This is what they see. They don't know any better. But what's alarming is they don't take the time to listen and learn. What got me working with the United Nations Refugee agency back in 2018. I remember Syrian children trying to escape being gassed by Assad and washing up on the beach is dead. And I went to an exhibit at the Annenberg with a. With a former personal training client of mine when I was like 25 years old, who was a producer of CBS News, and she put together this exhibit and a documentary on it. And I was so devastated by it. And I was looking at these kids thinking, like, I wonder if I'm related to any of those kids. Like, I wonder, you know, as a woman, a gay woman, I would probably be dead in the vast majority of the world. And here I am living with this American privilege. I was born here, I didn't earn it. What can I do? And I started working with United Nations Refugee Agency. But if you had asked me at the time, I would have been like, let these effing kids into this country to have a better life. But what I didn't understand was the ways in which this has to be done. So you're. You're vetting people for the safety of the people that live here. You're controlling the quotas, you're requiring assimilation so you don't have people chanting death to America. But I, I think that these people, these white liberals, they don't know any of this. And I. And that's why I'm. I'm trying to. To give a voice to people like yourself, so that when we've got gangs in America like they have in the UK and thousands of girls are raped and it's swept under the table because nobody wants to point out that it's part of radical Islam because they don't want to be called racist. I. I do not. I. If somebody puts a hijab on my daughter, thank God she's 15 at this point, that will never happen. But if somebody tried to, I would pull her out of that school in seconds, because now I understand what it means, but I didn't then oppression.
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By the way, when did you became a conservative? When did you walk away from being a very open, liberal woman?
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I like to say that I haven't changed. You know, I was never for totally open, I was never for open borders. I was for, you know, a legal path to citizenship for good people. You being a perfect example, my grandparents being a perfect example. Gad Saad being a Per Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy wins some real sears like I still believe in that very much. I, I'm not for late term abortions. That's barbaric. I remember when Clinton used to, used to say abortion should be legal, safe and rare. I think it's a very complex issue where everybody kind of loses. To be dead honest with you, I haven't changed on that. I understand both sides. I, you know, the world has shifted around me where we're giving. I wanted for gay people to have equal rights, we pay equal taxes, we should be able to get married. We're two consenting adults. I don't want that to be a Trojan horse for gender affirming care on children. It's barbaric. I was never ever for anything like that and I will fight against it till the end of time. Obesity is not healthy. It kills people. Even though it makes you feel like a really good person to suggest that like you could be healthy at any size in virtue signal while you're by the way in a size 2 and taking ozempic to get down to a size 0, I've not changed in that in those ways. However, my understanding of these issues has evolved and I would say that I am uniquely sympathetic because I appreciated my American privilege, the absolute blessing of being an American. Hence the reason I joined the United nations refugee agency to raise awareness for people struggling for their lives, literally in South Sudan, in Syria. I adopted a child from Haiti to give this child a better chance. And she's a awesome kid who's going to do awesome things. And America can thank me one day because this is the kind of human being that belongs here. But as I began to understand and listen to stories of like yours and seeing open borders and immigration go unchecked and people that wanted to bring down the west that weren't assimilating and that were attacking Americans and our infrastructure overrun, I, I evolved. I evolved. And I realize now that this is all very complex and very nuanced. It was a, it was Covid. It was healthy at any size. It was all of these crazy, crazy 8020 issues of men in women's sports watching Iman Khalif, who's a frigging biological male, punch these women in the face in the Olympics. And I'm just, I I, I like it's these moments that I'm thinking, are you guys all not seeing this shit or are you just afraid to be called transphobe? I don't know, Mama. And you were, you, you know, you took this one on the chin for years, for years. And I wonder, do you think people are waking up or not?
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I think people are waking up. And I did take it on the chin. And you and I have more in common than you can ever imagine. I was such a lefty liberal woman coming from the Middle East, a total liberal. I was married to a conservative man. I'm a 911 Republican, by the way. I didn't vote for Bush, I voted for Al Gore. Die hard liberal woman for women's rights. I was raised in the Middle East. No man was going to tell me what to do with my body. No, nobody had any authority to tell other people what to do with their bodies on anything. So I was very liberal. So I was married to a conservative man. And you should see the fights, the debates we would get into, especially when the Clinton and Lewis was going on at the White House. And so I'm a 911 Republican conservative. And you know, because I realized the national security issue, I would tell people, I said, look, as much as liberal as I am and I didn't even vote for George Bush. And that's when I started my organization, act for America, because I decided the national security issue should be the uniting issue for all of us. Because I told my friends, I said, I don't see anybody of the dead people who died on 911 in the world Trade center right now demonstrating for pro gun or anti gun, pro abortion or anti abortion, pro gays or anti gays. They're dead. Let's make sure we are alive and we preserve our country and our freedoms so our children can have a country where they can debate ideas, where they can stand up and be whatever they want to be. We want to give them that freedom. So you and I, oh, you have no idea how much we have in common. But that, that's where I am. So today, when I speak about national security today, the Democratic party of, of 2000 would be considered a Republican right now.
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I know I totally a Republican.
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That would be considered the Republicans right now. So here we are to wake up our country. But our country is waking up our country people. You know, it's amazing in New York, I think when they decided to give the kids hormone therapy without notifying the parents, this was like under Biden a few years ago. Even in New York, the lefty parents got so upset that the school is going to give hormone changing therapy to the children without notifying the parents that even the lefty parents revolted and complained. So, you know, this issue is waking up people to say, okay, maybe we have gone a little bit too far.
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Little bit.
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This is why you're exactly. This is why you see a lot of independents who actually moved to the Trump Party, moved to the Make America Great movement because they realized we want to make America great again. This is not the America that we want. We want an America where we are safe walking down the street. Our daughters are safe walking down the street. We do not want them raped or killed by some illegal immigrant. We want to make sure if our daughters get involved in sports, she's not going to be punched by some male colleague, by some male competitor punching her in the face. I want to make sure if I go to the bathroom, I don't have a man. I'm not surprised by a man in the bathroom who may very well rape me, you know, so the country is waking up. They do not like the majority of America. And I always tell people this. I say, America, you've got the east coast and you've got the left coast. And you drive 10 miles outside of any major city, USA, on the East coast and the Left Coast. And 90% of America is the same. God fearing, God loving everybody, loving Americans who just want to make a living, live and let live. They want to send their kids to school, they want to make enough money to have a house over their heads and go on vacation once a year. They don't wish ill on anybody. That's America. 90% of the country. It's only the two left coasts that are, you know, the left coast and the east coast, the big cities that are just killing the country because they are so densely populated and they are voting Iran.
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You know, you were talking with my, my good friend Dave Rubin and you said it's imminent, it's imminent, it's going to fall. The regime's gonna fall. I don't think it is. I hate to say this because I know how unpopular regime change is, and I honestly would never want someone to send their son in to die for something like that. If I was in the military, if I had the guts, which obviously I didn't, but if I was in the military, this seems to be a cause as noble as World War II. We don't seem to be doing anything. And this one, I feel like is going to be a huge mistake, really. Having explored this like Iran, the number one funders of terror. I, the absolute disruptors, the bringers of chaos into the Middle east outside of, you know, the things that Qatar does as well. But I just think this is, would be America first based on everything I've learned. What's going to happen here.
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We have all our military might in the Middle east right now. They crossed President Trump's red line. He told them, you start killing and abusing your people, that will be aligned for weeks.
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Slaughters like more than Gaza in weeks. I'm sorry, this has been really effing with me.
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I'm going to shut up.
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Go. I apologize. Please go ahead.
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This is something so frustrating because we are watching what they are doing to the Iranians now. They crossed President Trump's red line. It's just a matter of time. I believe the negotiations that are happening right now with the, with the mullahs, they're basically giving him the Assad option. This is exactly what we did with Assad. You're going to get out. You're going to, we're going to take you out. You either leave on your own peacefully, and we will make sure that you get out of the country and move to some other country, or you're going to go down. Regardless, you're going to be gone. And so we gave him the option to leave and he left. I think we're going to do the same thing with the mullahs. Now, the difference is the ayatollah, his kids may leave, his son may leave, but the Ayatollah wants to go down as a martyr. He is not gonna want to leave. He wants to be martyred. And we are now counting, hoping that somebody within the rgc, that within the Iranian government, will take out the Ayatollah.
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How is it, I think with what they have nothing. I, I don't understand this. It's like people keep saying they got to do it.
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The insider circle that armed to protect him, not the insider circle that's armed to protect him. So there are ways. Now we're not going to put one, we're not going to put one foot on the ground. We're not going to put one soldier on the ground. The Iranians are doing the work and this is going to be their victory. They worked so hard and we're going to give them that victory. They are gonna be the ones who liberate their own country. All they need is a little pressure from the United States against the regime and the diplomacy that's taking place right now. The negotiations to be able to help speed this process up. I believe before President Trump leaves office that we're gonna see a regime change in Iran. If it's not in a matter of weeks, we're gonna see the regime change in Iran before he leaves office.
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I gotta tell you, like, I, I hope so. You know, I look at like the people that I respect who very understandably warn against regime change. You know, I saw it's gone, but the friggin guy in there now is a monster. I mean, was that better? Every time we do this, it just gets worse. You know, we did play. Even though it was really Britain that removed the shah, I think, you know, we, we collaborated and, and it's been a disaster. I'm not an idiot, but in this particular instance, I just don't see us giving these people the help that they need. Like, what can, how. I mean, of all the things that we are capable of doing, of all the different ways we could be helpful without putting boots on the ground. It's like every single day. I had to, I watched a video the other day of a car, I just mowing. Oh, I just, I cannot, dude. And my wife's like, you gotta stop. I'm like. But I, I keep refreshing my browser, waiting to see, did we think, did we send in Delta Force to just help strategically? Like, what are we doing? By the way, one more question. And someone said this to me, just let Netanyahu do it. But of course, and then the Jews will be blamed and oh, they're, you know, they'll, everybody will hate the Jews and oh, they did this to steal the land. But I don't think Netanyahu cares. I don't think Israel cares what people think. The Iranians begging Netanyahu and Trump to go in there. Why don't we just let Netanyahu do it then?
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Look, we already know that the Mossad are on the ground in Iran. I mean, they already came out and said it. So the intelligence is working on the ground. It's going to take multiple factors. It's going to be a multi, multi prong approach to be able to change the regime in Iran. And by the way, this is not just for the Iranians. Let's put this aside. Because a lot of people in America say, you know what? Yes, they're dying, but I'm not willing to send my kid to die. I get it, I get it, I get it.
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I understand too. I get it.
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But the change in the regime in Iran is for the world benefit, for our benefit. Remember, Iran took the American hostages in 1979. This has nothing to do with Trump. This has to do with their hatred for America. America is a great Satan. They are after us. And so this has nothing to do with Israel. This has nothing to do with Trump. This is way before Trump. So the regime change is going to happen on multi pronged approach. I know we try to understand, we do not know all the elements that are working behind the scenes. I mean, look, Israel had intelligence on the ground about the nuclear reactor. They knew before anybody in the world knew. In 2003, Israel sent the first delegation out to the rest of the world to tell world government about what the Iranians were building. 2003. So here we are, 2026, we're still talking about Iran, but their days are numbered. The regime will be changed. It will have amazing effects worldwide. Not only it will free the Iranians, that's a benefit. But let's put the Iranian people aside. It will decapitate all the terrorist proxies in the Middle East.
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Right.
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We will no longer.
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Right, I'm sorry, yeah.
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We will no longer need a base in Qatar. Remember, the base in Qatar is only because of Iran.
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Right.
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If it wasn't for Iran, we would not have the base in Qatar. Just think of all the military that we will be able to move out of the Middle east and put it where it actually is needed. Make sure China doesn't attack Taiwan, make it to protect strategic interests like in Greenland. With everything in that part of the world, if the Iranian regime falls, you're going to have peace between Lebanon and Israel. Syria and Lebanon will both come to the Abraham Accord. You're going to have such a domino effect that will not only change the Middle east, it will change the rest of the world.
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A
Last question. Gaza, what do you think? What's going to happen here?
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Gaza. So we have the border peace that President Trump put together. I think right now we are up to 25 countries that are on the Board of Peace. Two of them, they're all good. And the reason why President Trump is doing it that way, Gillian, is because he wants to make sure that the whole world has a vested interest in solving the Gaza problem, the Palestinian problem in Gaza. And it's not, it doesn't appear that, oh, America and Israel are taking over Gaza. It's not America and Israel. And that's why they discussed Tony Blair as a figurehead, you know, for this board. So this board is going to decide and make sure and monitor that we're not going to have problems with Gaza, that we're going to rebuild Gaza, et cetera. And they're all going to contribute money and finances and oversight, et cetera. My only two concern about this board is Qatar and Turkey. And this is exactly why President Trump did not do a sweeping designation of the Muslim Brotherhood, because, remember, he designated them, like, in certain areas, he kind of did a designation, but it's not really a designation. And the reason why he was walking that fine line is because he still needs to work with Turkey and Qatar, because he needs them on that board, because he needs their negotiations and their presence when he is making the deals to bring together the countries for the Abraham Accord as well as the peace board with Israel. They are pro Hamas. Both of them. Their families are married into Hamas families. They've literally relatives. They stand with Hamas. I'm not sure how that is gonna, you know, shape up in the long run, but there are only two countries out of 25.
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Yeah.
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And that's exactly why President Trump was bringing all these other countries. So their two votes compared to the other 23 votes that are involved in this movement, hopefully they'll be able to do something. It's gonna take generations of changing this language of hatred to be able to change the direction of how the Palestinians will view Israel or live side by side with Israel.
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Do you think, you know, speaking of generations and healing hatred, do you think you could forgive what happened to you? What happened to your family, what happened to your country? You've experienced it now. Can that be healed?
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In the Judeo Christian world, at least in the Christian world that I belong to, we are taught to never hate. Pray for those who trespass. Forgive those who trespass against you. Pray for your enemy. You know, we are taught that do not let the sun go down on your anger. So we are taught to forgive. I can forgive. I don't have to forget. Obviously, I don't forget. How can I forget? Every day I shower, I look at the scar in my arm or the shrapnel caught my artery. I still have shrapnel, shrapnels in my bone. It came. Entered from here, came out of here. I know you know, this is a scar that I had since I was 10 years old. And so I know the price of war. I am reminded of the war. I work so hard to fight the war because I have children and grandchildren. Most people don't realize I have six grandchildren. And so, you know, I fight not only for my children, I fight for the generation after them. Not just the next generation, but two generations over. So this is Why I fight and I forgive, but we can still fight and not forget, but do it with an open heart and a clean heart while we can still lay down at night and pray for your enemy, for our enemy. That God will give them wisdom, that God would heal their heart. That's a Christian point of view under Islam. Islam does not speak of forgiveness. Islam speaks of killing. A commandment from the Quran. A Commandment. The Ninth Surah, Surah 9 in the Quran is all about killing the infidels. It's all about killing your enemies. Cut off their heads and smite off their fingers and toes because they disobeyed Allah. It's all about killing your enemy, not forgiving your enemy. And if your enemy doesn't want to listen to you, you make them dim me. They live under your submission. You're allowed to rape them, you're allowed to take them as booty. The most glamorized thing in the Middle east is called revenge in Arabic. So you have to revenge or avenge those who did something to you. So while we teach our children to forgive, they teach their children to never forget and never forgive. And this is why the Palestinians who have gone outside, who, okay, they were driven out as refugees in 1948, who have been living, born in the United States two generations over, lived here for years. Their grandchildren are Americans, yet they still tell you, oh, here's the key to my house in Jerusalem when Israel drove me out. They still hold the key to the house. And how can you heal that? You cannot heal that.
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God, I'm, I, I'm, I'm so hopeful. I'm trying so hard to be hopeful. You have to be hopeful just because I, but I just don't understand it. And this, I'll end on this note. Like, I, you, you mentioned to me, like, well, Christians marry Christians and Jews marry Jews and Muslims marry Muslims. I don't understand that. I, I do understand with regard to having shared values, but I, I, I, I mean, I've met a lot of people who are Muslim, Jewish and Christian, and I, I share a lot of their values. You know, be a decent person, don't steal stuff, don't hurt people, don't kill anyone. You know, don't let your envy and your jealousy get the best of you. This seems a lot like common sense. I don't understand that. I don't understand marrying within your race.
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B
That's Judeo Christian values that, be nice to others. You know, do unto others what you want others to do unto you. All of that stuff. No revenge, no Hatred, Forgive. Those are Judeo Christian values. You are speaking about values into our culture. Even atheists in our culture teach their children. Now, Joni, make sure you are nice. Treat people the way you want to be treated, even if they've never read the Bible, but they don't understand where that comes from. And speaking about things in common, I became an atheist at the age of 26. My children were raised atheists. They couldn't even tell you what religion they were on. Nine, 11, when we were driving in the car and I was talking to my husband and I said, you know, of course they hate us because we're Christians. We were driving to a Hanukkah dinner at our friend's home, and my oldest daughter looked at me and she said. She was sitting in the back seat and she said, what do you mean we're Christians? I said, of course we're Christians. What do you think we are? She said, we're Jewish. I looked back and I said, what made you think we're Jewish? She said, well, we're driving to Auntie Sandy's house for Hanukkah dinner. We attend Shabbat dinners. We don't go to church. You don't talk about Jesus. What do you mean, we're not Jewish? I looked at my husband and I said, honey, we screwed up the kids. And so my kids. Only later on, a lot of people don't realize when I started act for America, I was a full fledged atheist. People think I started the organization as a Christian. No. I was raised Catholic. I'm Maronite Catholic. I'm in a different place right now, but I'm no longer an atheist, let's put it this way. But this is how I started the organization. So what you're talking about are the Judeo Christian values that we raise our children with, because this is how we were raised. These are not Islamic values. And so when you bring Muslims who were taught to take revenge, to hate, to never forget, it's a different world again. We cannot reflect our values on people that don't share our values. And that's the problem we're running into in the West.
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That's so interesting. I never thought about that. I just thought that those values were common sense values. I grew up a lot like your daughter did, where, you know, I had no. I. We didn't go to church. We didn't go to temple. I had friends from a very different religion. I didn't, you know, I'm agnostic. I don't know. I think there's something More I believe in it. I lean into the principles that make me fight against the parts of myself that I know are unevolved. I never thought of it that way. Brigitte, I cannot thank you enough for your time and everything you've taught me today. Where can people support you? Learn more from you, tell them everything about you and what you do and where to get more?
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Thank you. Thank you. The most important thing I want people to remember, what you just watched here is entertainment. This is not activism. You need to become active and engaged to make a difference. And can I elaborate on that a little bit? And I hope you'll give me just enough time.
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Oh, please.
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I talk to people. The problem on our side is we confuse education with activism. The left is very organized and very active on our side. We're very highly educated about issues. I talk to people all the time and I ask them, you know, whatever. Suzy, are you engaged? Are you active? Oh, yes, Brigitte. I attend cpac. I attend Turning Point USA conference. I attend every conference I can. I go to every lecture I can. We hear great speakers, we eat the rubber chicken. We feel so good. We take our picture with whoever's speaking with Jillian, with Don Jr. With Lara Trump, with so and so, you know, and everybody pats themselves on the back. They go home, they're so excited. Oh my God, what a great conference. What a great speaker. Seven days later, they have no idea what to do. You talk to any leftist 22 year old nitwit, ask him, tell me you are a pro socialism. Can you tell me about socialism? Why are you a socialist? They cannot even tell you what socialism is. But by golly, they are engaged. They show up to their member of Congress, they make these phone calls, they are engaged. So our side confuses entertainment, this education, with action or activism. This is not action. And that's why I created act for America. Actforamerica.org I didn't name the organization Think about America, Hope for America, Wish for America or Pray for America. But what act for America? Because without action, nothing happens. So I encourage people to go to actforamerica.org right now. If my message resonates with you, if you think the way we do, the way I was talking and you see value and what I was talking and you believe that actually I can organize something to take action. Go to actforamerica.org right now. Join us. Start a chapter. Click on Join Us. Start a chapter. Become a member. Volunteer. We are mobilizing the nation. We have activists on 97% of U.S. territory, counties nationwide. We have passed 300 bills at the federal level and the state level. Right now we have a designate the Muslim Brotherhood bill in Congress, in the House as well as in the Senate. We already started passing those bills at the state level to designate CARE on the Muslim Brotherhood. We did it in Florida, we did it in Texas, we're doing it right now in Arizona. So no matter where you are watching us from right now, make sure you sign up to receive our action alert. They're free, they don't cost you anything. We want to be able to reach you when we introduce they designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization in your state. Because I know we are on the Internet. People are watching from all over the place. Go. We want to be able to reach you so you can take action. Click on our act now campaign. We will notify you about the bill, who's sponsoring it. We'll have an email pre written for you. We give you your elected officials phone number, even a script. You could literally read it while you are on the phone talking, leaving them messages or talking to their assistants. So go to act for America.org we are a non profit organization so your donation is tax deductible. Stand with us. If you have a foundation, I want to speak with you personally. Together we make a difference not by only education but activating our base to protect our country.
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Thank you so much. You're fantastic. And I just want to stress for people that it takes a matter of minutes. It's so easy, all the you're right seconds. I recently did it with regard to the dignity bill. I went to like house.gov freaking found my congress person. It went on a little message thing. I was like I would like to see comprehensive immigration reform. I would like for your sponsor the dignity. It took me under a minute.
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I think it was easier for you. We, we made it so much easier. We created a technology called called Act Now. With a click of a button you can take all these actions under 30 seconds and you can do it 7am in the morning, sitting, sipping your coffee in your pajama. We eliminated the lazy excuse because most people don't contact their elected official because they think oh what is my voice going to count?
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Yeah.
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B
Oh, oh. Can I share something really important? I know your members are going to love this. A lot of people don't call their member of Congress because they think what is my voice going to count? Brigitte? My senator or my congressman. They need to hear from 40,000 people before they do anything. I'm a nobody. I'm one voice. It's not going to matter. Wrong. I talk to elected officials all the time. I've been working with Congress since 2002 and I ask them how many calls or emails you need to receive about a single issue to make it your top priority. You will be shocked. 40. 40 people. That's it. 40 people takes it to their, brings it up to their radar. Here is the science behind the number. They believe if one person makes a phone call or writes an email, he or she are representing 1000 couch potatoes who feel the same way but are too lazy to make a phone call or write an email. Yet they vote on election day. That translates to 40,000 voters on election day. That can make or break an election. Your voice, your email, as one person equals 1000. That's the power that you have. And when we send out our email, when we send you the act now campaign, we target both your Democrat and your Republican representative. And here's why we do that. A lot of people also say, why should I call my lefty representative? They're not even going to listen to me. Here's why you need to call them both. In Congress, you have the people on the right and you know exactly who they are. They're not going to change their mind. They dig their heels in. You've got the Ted Cruz, you've got the Scott Perry. You know those people on the left, you've got the Chuck Schumer, you've got the Dick Durbin, I think he left right now. But you know, people on the right and the left, they're not going to change their mind. But the rest of all the 400 plus elected officials are those in between, between whom I call sincerely, undecided. They are the ones who lick their finger, stick it up in the air and see how the wind is blowing and vote accordingly. Those are the ones you want to influence. And here's the reason why. You need to give them cover. You need to be able to take any congressman who's not as big and famous like, like, like, like, like Chuck Schumer to be able to go to leadership and tell Chuck Schumer, look, look, I'm going to lose my election because I heard I received 10,000 phone calls and emails from my constituent about this issue. I'm going to lose the election coming up in November. You don't want me to lose my seat, do you? This is why I have to abstain or vote absent. That's all you need few of those to vote absent or abstain. And we can pass a bill. That's why you need to target your lefty members of Congress equally, the right and the left.
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A
Thank you so much. You're an absolute treasure.
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B
Love you, appreciate you. Thank you for everything you do.
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A
Thank you so much. Right back at you. Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.