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- [00:10]
Kennedy
Hello and welcome to this episode of Kennedy Saves the World. Do you remember who overtook your musical intrigue in the 90s? Perhaps it was Slipknot. Clown is with me. Co founder of Slipknot, Sean Cran, percussionist, genius behind what became a movement in. I don't know. How would you describe Slipknot, Sean? First of all, welcome to Kennedy Saves the World.
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Sean Cran
Sean Cran, thank you so much for having me. Thank you very much.
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Kennedy
Would you say synth rock? Like synth metal rock? Gargoyle metal rock.
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Sean Cran
You know, it's just. I always like to affectionately call it hard rock. You know, it's metal. It's metal for sure. Hard rock. We go all over the place, so it's a bit difficult. Box, slip, knot in. And as far as, you know, what it really is in a band anymore, it's a culture. So that's. That's what I set out to do, and so did everybody else. It's easy for us because we get to be, you know, a part of something that just seems like what our reality should be anyway. So I guess we made that our reality. And so it's a culture and it's really big, you know, and it's just. Yeah. So God is God music.
- [01:45]
Kennedy
Yes. And if you. If you look at the way music is generated today, it's pretty solitary. And that's okay, because music is going to. It's going to have its own evolutions. But when you guys really hit the scene in 1996, what was it about your music that caught on fire? How. How could a band stand out and get traction in the 90s?
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Sean Cran
Well, that's a great. That's a great question. It's a diff. Obviously, it's a difficult question to answer because there's prerequisites, labels, you know, people that are looking at bands and venturing into bands for, you know, to sign in this. With Slipknot, I can remember joking with Joey. We would always just hysterically laugh every time a new member would join, because we would say to ourselves, well, we're cutting our own throats. But it was just getting better and better and better.
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Kennedy
Why did you think you were cutting your own throats? Because whatever you were earning on the road was being dispersed to too many people.
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Sean Cran
No, no, just the opposite. Because we didn't. We didn't make anything forever. Yeah, just the opposite. You. You'll have a label look at you and say, do you need this many people? So it just starts with that philosophy, and then it's, oh, you can't have this Many people. It's too many hotel rooms, it's too many plane tickets, it's too many Ubers, it's too many Airbnb, whatever, you know, so. But I would always take the stand of saying, you know what? You've never heard of an orchestra or a symphony? I mean, these sort of things don't go state to state. Or what about a professional football or basketball team? You can't have nine. Nine gentlemen that possess different layers of musical ability to make this. This. This thing, this enigma known as Slipknot. You. We have a sound, you know, that's why I'm talking this way. We have. We have a literal sound that we
- [04:07]
Kennedy
create that is very beat, percussion driven, I might add. Sean.
- [04:12]
Sean Cran
Well, it's. And again, not to sound weird or whatever, yes, there are three drummers, but I think a lot of people probably think we're drum driven, but we're really, like, guitar driven. So it's like the drums end up being very powerful all around because of just how amazing in all. In all ways the guitar. Well, just everything in Slipknot is just such a layer on its own. But there was this idea from the very beginning to have a triangle of drums, you know, have the. The point of the triangle in the back being the conductor projecting out and having support at the top, you know, at the bottom. Actually left or right. Stage left? Stage right. Right at it. Right behind the mon. The speakers. And just a forward motion of nine guys. So we. We stopped at nine, you know, to bring it all around, you know, so it's a lot of people, Knights of the Round Table end up creating our own. Our own things. There's a little bit of all that, I guess.
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Kennedy
Was it ever like Menudo, where when in Menudo, if you cease to be young and sexy, you were cut from the group. In Slipknot, if you cease to be terrifying, were you kicked out?
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Sean Cran
Well, ironically enough, I know the bass player for Menudo. He was in a call 40 below summer. Hello to those guys since he got brought up. But yeah, listen, Slim, not as very precise and very different, and it means business. And if you can't mean business, you. You know, you don't. You don't make it into that sort of climate. You know, we're. We're a different. We're a different. Think we make it that way. It's. We. We don't try. I try to be different. We're not. There's not a real reason other than, you know, we did it for ourselves. So it's. It's it's art, it's serious mindset. And yeah, you know, a lot of people can't handle it. Just the energy of it. And so if you're not meant to be, you know, in, in the sphere of it, you're definitely out.
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Kennedy
I can absolutely see that. It's very intense.
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Sean Cran
Yes. Yeah. It's more than half of my life now being in this organization. I'm 56, so I spend more time in slipknot, out of slipknot. And you know, when it gets like that, it becomes, you know, I grew up with people working at the phone company and getting full retirement and making it for their family. And I've had to try and accomplish the same things within rock and roll and never once even thought about those things other than being out with the culture. And I think that's really why we're here. It's so intense. We have to perform, you know, for ourselves and makes the rest of it make sense. I mean, you should know, you know, you been doing this a long, long, long time. You had to have seen it from all situations and, you know, survival and isolation out on the road. We tour. We're pirates, right?
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Kennedy
Yeah.
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Sean Cran
You know, we, we just go and go and go and go and go and just celebrated a 25 year anniversary. Getting ready to celebrate a 25 year anniversary on the second album. Just keep going like that now. And it's been a whole life live and it is intense and there's nothing like it on the planet earth I've come across that is more fitting for myself, I guess.
- [08:23]
Kennedy
So as you, you know, you talk about the intensity and yesterday I was listening to Soundgarden, Rusty Cage, and I love that song and I love Chris Cornell's voice. And I realized in that moment how many guys and bands either died from drug overdoses, you know, like Scott Weiland or Shannon Hoon, or took their own lives and, you know, the intensity didn't necessarily consume them in the moment. For people like Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell, it was later, you know, it was on, I guess, when the water recedes a little bit and they're, you know, maybe their performances had ebbed a little bit. And there was something about the intensity and being away from the intensity that consumed them to the point where they just felt they could not live anymore. How did you guys survive that?
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Sean Cran
You know, you, you have to work very hard to survive isolation. You know, you don't have teachers. I'm sure there are people, peers that would be willing to take time to express wisdom and knowledge or at least where they've been and how they made it. But things move so quick and organizations and art forms are so different. It's to each their own. So you, you have to have a, you know, hopefully you have a great support team at home. I've been married for, I think it's 34 years. Since 34. 33 or 34. Four kids. Lots of, lots of hard things in life. I have a fantastic support team. My wife would tell me, you know, she is not my tour manager and that there is not a schedule to what we're doing in the day. There's not going to be a bunch of yes people around me. Not that I have yes people, but when you're out on the road, you have things you have to do. There are people with you that work with you and you have to do what they say or what you say to get, to get to that show. So I was always brought into the real world. I lived my so called dream and was able to come home and, you know, live in reality because it's all reality. But you can.
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Kennedy
Do you still live in Iowa?
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Sean Cran
No, we, we moved to Palm Springs.
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Kennedy
I love Palm Springs.
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Sean Cran
Yeah, I had to, we, you know, there's some health things in, you know, and the sun is always out here. It is always blue skies. The energy is incredible and it's just better for what my wife and I are doing now in our life, which is like trying to be stress free as much as possible and appreciate each other and all the kids are out of the house. So, you know, it's been, it's been a long haul dedicating to art and life and, you know, so we moved to Palm Springs, take a load off and get a different energy and have blue skies, warm weather that just feels good all day, every day.
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Kennedy
I love Palm Springs. I was there for Freedom Fest last year and it's, it's always interesting because the desert, whether it's Arizona or, you know, Palm Springs, Palm Desert, India, whatever it is, like the desert's always weird and I love that.
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Sean Cran
Definitely. Yeah, we could get into that. There's a lot of things and I, I, being from the Midwest, I'm just here to tell you I have a really good friend, born and raised in New York. And when he would drive with me in the middle of nowhere in Iowa, we'd be going to a studio and it'd just be corn fields and soybean fields and then farmhouses, you know, a block off the road surrounded by trees, and he would just tap the Window. And he'd be like, that's the hills has eyes. You know, I would just. I would try to bring it into reality to him. You know, I'd be like. I'd be like, listen, man, listen. I'm like, what do you do when it's 80 below zero with the windshield and your car breaks down right here and that house has a light on? He's like, I. I stay in my car. I'm like, no, you will die. You will die.
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Kennedy
Funny that people from big cities. So my family is from Southern Indiana, where there are, you know, there are a lot of cornfields. It's very agricultural. And, you know, it's like, as you drive through there, like, the smell of manure is just like. And like fresh dirt. It is just a part of your soul. But there is. It's so creepy to, like, people from cities because they don't have, like, well, a mass of people to. To run to and, you know, to corral if they're in deep yogurt.
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Sean Cran
Couple things with that one. So I grew up in the woods, you know, just so a lot of people think, oh, you know, you're one of those scary people that you grow up in the manure and the trees. But, you know, I'm in the desert now and I was just trying to bring it circle full circle with you to say, yes, there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in the desert.
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Kennedy
Yeah.
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Sean Cran
And it's different. The desert's different. The desert is definitely different. We can go into it. But the other thing I was going to say with that was I always wonder, you know, the real zombie apocalypse is like when the grid is pulled and humans are going after humans that have water or batteries or whatever it is. I don't know, bullets, you know, whatever it is. So what I'm thinking is, you know, I always admire people that live in tight situations with people and then, unfortunately, tragedies can happen or what have you. But ability for the human condition to stick together, to pull through has always been a wonderful thing to say. I say this because I'm still stuck in the woods, but in the desert now, you know. Yeah, it's quite. And, you know, New York closed in on me. I used to love New York. I used to follow trails of gum, you know, and just think about conversations of people. Just people, gum. Like, who is this guy? Who is this lady? You know, we'd make chords out of it on music sheets and I just get really deep with the stuff on the street. Told such a. Told such A story and always led me to a good restaurant or a fascinating place to shoot. And the people in New York would always, in my opinion, look at you once and would look at you again. Whereas in the west coast, in la, someone might be like, what are you looking at? It might continue for a while, but anyway, it closed in on me one day. It just. One day I felt like I was in a soup can. The lid was shut. But it's not necessarily New York's fault. So I've always admired. I'm an only child, so that's probably what it was, but I have always admired groups of people just propelling through life, you know, together, making it work. I don't know if I have a fear, but definitely in the woods, but now in the desert, think whatever.
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Kennedy
You feel at peace,
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Sean Cran
man. Well, you know, just, you know, not to turn this. I'm not. I'm not trying to turn this because you asked the question. That's the only way I can. I got to be always honest. I don't lie, cheat or steal, you know, so it's like, it's. We lost a family member, and in the Midwest, anywhere, anywhere with great people, anywhere with good people around, you know, they're always going to be there for you, you know, and it's hard for my wife and I to be in the situation we were in, and so many good people around, you know, like I always say, a lot of people will go home to dinner and, you know, we're kind of stuck in it anyway. And so, yeah, a lot of peace here in Palm Springs. Different energy. I. We. My wife was ill and we came here a couple times, and her spirits got really, a lot. I mean, just her spirits and her health and everything just went up. And one day it was 120 degrees and we were laying out in the pool, looking at these little mountains, just like, whoa, are we here? She's like, I could live here. So we're here. That's it. She just had to say that. And we're here. And honestly, yeah, we've got a lot of peace. So it's nice to change your situation. Get out of the woods, get in the desert. You know, the band I'm in, we. We played out here at a small club called Papyon Harriet's with our new drummer when he joined. And, you know, I think in the end there was.
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Kennedy
Was it Josh Freeze?
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Sean Cran
No, it's not Josh Freeze. Definitely. Definitely not Josh Freeze. Great drummer, though.
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Kennedy
I feel like Josh has been in every band.
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Sean Cran
Not Slipknot for Sure. No, Paul. Whatever. Josh. Good drummer. Great drummer. I don't know how I got on the subject to Josh Freeze, but I
- [19:06]
Kennedy
want to back talk about Pap and Harriet.
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Sean Cran
Yeah, no, so we, we, yeah, we. We had a new drummer and that. We got into the band and we did our first show there at Papy and Harriet's. I think we all thought maybe there was going to be less people. So they, you know, some people squeezed in it. It was, we hadn't done anything like that long time or, you know, could be two, two decades. You know, it could have been literally where we. Before we were signed because it's just been up ever since. You know, it's always been one more person at the show. It's never been less. It's always one more person at the show.
- [19:50]
Kennedy
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- [20:08]
Sean Cran
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Kennedy
I want to ask you about the evolution of nostalgia. And, you know, the, the hunger for what you do is not just people looking back and rediscovering. It's people who are discovering you for the very first time and being changed by your music. Tell me about that and what it's like encountering that when you talk to people like new fans, fans who have been with you for 30 years, other fans who, you know, liked you when they were in high school. And then they're like, oh, I'm having a midlife crisis. I like you again. What is that evolution like? Because it is very different than just nostalgia for nostalgia's sake.
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Sean Cran
Well, there's several levels of that. I have fans who started as troubled young, young teens, Troubled young teens being brought to the show by their mothers and dads, making sure things are cool like great parents do. And, you know, this happens for several years. Next thing you know, this fan is now older and coming to the show by themselves, and then they disappear. Like you just said, they disappear for quite a while, then they come back and they're a completely different person. And now they're married and they have a child on the way, and then some time goes by and then boom, they're generally back because they never left with us. That's why it's a culture. Like, there's no getting what I do out of your blood. It's not something you grow out of. You know, you don't. You don't put it away like a cartoon that you grew up with, stuffed animal. What I do is who you are. That's why you gotta hear to it to begin with. Can't walk away from it. So many levels I'm going through, generations of actual human beings that have changed throughout my life as I am continuing to do exactly what it is I need to do for myself, which is cut through all the minutiae of reality and make sure I get on stage for myself and prove what I need to for me. Nobody else, for nothing else. And that's the exchange. And the exchange is what keeps it going so that there's that level. And that's probably the biggest, you know, because then it's the second part of what you brought up was, was, was. And is how each one of those people take the reality of the imagination that I'm part of. So somewhere extreme, as you can imagine, too extreme, where you might have to say, hey, you know, you don't have to be this extreme. Or there's. Well, there's just all extremes of anything. You could think, music, Music I'm part of. You know, they don't. We don't see color or age or, you know, anything. It's God, frequency. We're all. I got into it because everybody's height, everybody from every high school is in the same place. You know what I mean? We weren't playing football games against each other. We were in it all, you know, east side, west side, south side, north side, Private schools, you know, all of it. Junior high, you know, motorcycle clubs, you know, sports, everyone. Newscasters, Everyone there to see a concert, local. That's what I want to be a part of.
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Kennedy
That's metalheads, dweebies, jocks, everybody. You're a righteous dude. I can't. I can't decide, Sean, if you are the giving tree or the Godfather.
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Sean Cran
Oh, I'm just somebody who. I've been through a lot. Like everybody, I'm blessed to still possess something. Human beings. Neat. So I'm very. I believe in luck because I've just believe in luck. But I'm blessed and I'm just still going. And I'm just so thankful. So I'm just trying to be a good person.
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Kennedy
And it's not just with Slipknot. It's not just with your Other projects. It's not just playing on stage. You are a gamer. And is that, is that something that has been there with you as long as you have been a musician?
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Sean Cran
I think it goes hand in hand. Art, right. In order to have a video game you have to have an artistic mind and imagination. Of course there's a business behind it. Let's move that right off the table. What's the rest of it? It's. It's moving digital pictures with more big deep stories, action. There's levels of, you know, menus, assets, attributes. You know, games are just artistic. You know, they like a good book. What's the story, like a good movie. What's the story, what's the emotional connection and yeah, what's a great game?
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Kennedy
Vernorth. Tell me about Vernorth and how do you create an emotional connection with the game?
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Sean Cran
It's simple. I provide trust. That's all it is. I'm just. And when I say trust, it just breaks down to this. No matter what I do, whether it's the band or this world that I'm from. Vernorth, which is Minecraft based engine, right. Basically like last night I was building what I call a rail. It's basically a subway and it goes from one place you can get off or you can get back on. It'll take you where you came from so it won't take you over around the whole place. So anyway, I was building this with several people and none of these people, I know who they are. I don't know their age, I don't know. I don't know anything. I don't know where they're from. I don't know if I know them, I don't know if they're police, I don't know if it's you. And, and the reason why, and the reason why it's trust is because I'm just there to prove like there can be a safe place. You know, there can be a safe place just like music. I guess that's what I'm saying. It's like a video game. I have four kids. I had to monitor them through heavy, heavy video games that people talk, chat, it can get serious. And then the addiction to gaming and all, there's a lot of responsibility. So I'm. I try to. One of the guys that was built, well, I say guys, I don't know. One of the players of the community was playing with me and they said I gotta, I gotta go to school, I gotta get off. And you know, I try not to go too Far. But I agreed. I said, hey, school's important. I'm like, there'll be rails for days. You know, that was probably too much to say, but, you know, if I was at a show and doing VIP and someone's like, hey, my parents let me, you know, stay out tonight, go to the show as long as I promise I go to school tomorrow, which happens all the time, I can communicate that. So the same thing. It's like, you're doing the right thing. Get off this video game right now. School's important, in my opinion. And there'll be rails here, here tomorrow. So.
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Kennedy
So when. When people are on Vernorth, they may. They may be building rails with you with Sean Cran.
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Sean Cran
Well, it's my server. It's my server. So they, they. They try to bust me out all day. What happens if I die? What happens if I get bored? This is. This is my game. I built this. I have so much money into it. Why would I ever get rid of it? I basically built it for me and sharing it, this. This whole understanding with the world. And yes, they're building with me all day, every day. It's. It's. It's. It's amazing.
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Kennedy
Well, I hope it is so successful. I hope you make so much money. I hope you make so many billions that you keep Bernie Sanders.
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Sean Cran
No, it's. It's more about. It's. It's community. You know, I built a. I've just built. I've just built that there's a space there, so why not be a space that can provide for my culture? You know, I don't. I don't really do anything for anyone anymore unless it's for the people I run with. And the people I run with is the community that's invited me to live my life through, I guess, being a pirate and still to this day, living in my own imagination. I mean, I do. I haven't worked a day in my life and I'm having a great time. I have struggles, but that verse is just another extension of myself to be able to be there for the community, for them being there for me. And do your kids like it? Yeah, I mean, I. They grew up. They're the biggest reason why it's Minecraft. I. They were there when the game came out. My oldest is 33, 34. And, you know, they all played. And ironically, not ironically, but they all do different things. They all built different. They all like different things. And I just kind of stood back and I could never really find my place because I was more or less watching and being apart that way. Then one day it just all snapped in my head. It's just such an artistic platform to express. For example, I got somebody two days ago made a big tribal S, you know, arm logo, made a big red one in, in this area that we're all building in and you know it's just cool to listen to everybody else give kudos to this players that are like hey, this S is beautiful. Hey, how did you do it? Where'd you learn how to do that? Hey, can you build one over on my area? Can you teach me how to do that? That's what I want to be a part of and that's. It's so easily accessible to provide that with trust. I don't have anything to prove to anybody but myself and that's where the trust comes from. My community, they might not like everything I do or all decisions that I come up with but they know that I only have to do it for myself. And because of that they're willing to back me as I back them. And of course when I go back on the road I'm definitely going to have via a couple people come out do a. Teach me how to do a build in in catering. Why not?
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Kennedy
That's awesome.
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Sean Cran
I've had to do it. I've had to do everything else that the, the suits have want me to do that haven't. Most of it hasn't worked out the way anybody has wanted it to work out. So I just try to be, I try to touch the community as much as I can because I'm thankful but anyway I appreciate all that. Vernorth. It's just, it's a, it's a 3D building area that you can really express anything you want and communicate. So they're, you know, I wouldn't say they're the greatest social skills because you're not out reality eye to eye, extending your hand and paying attention but you are, you know, you are speaking, you're, you know some people don't like it out there. You know, they don't like it out there but they, they love the music and they're never coming to a show and there's, there's a lot of behavioral, There's a lot, there's a lot. So I just, I just try to be there as much as possible because of my life and frequency. I mean it's been so good to me and you know, speaking of your
- [32:50]
Kennedy
frequency, was there a record before the band had really coalesced in your mind or the vision had coalesced in your mind. Was there. Was there an album that you listened to that was like the missing puzzle piece that either gave you confidence or so much inspiration that you're like, now I know I can do my own thing. Because after listening to this, well, music's funny that way.
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Sean Cran
I have a large handful of or, you know, bands that have built me.
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Kennedy
Like, who? Give me some examples. I think that's fascinating.
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Sean Cran
Well, my dad knew I was going to be into rock and roll very early. So he told me that if I was going to indulge in the music that he didn't understand, that it was important for me to understand the greats. So he took me to Ray Charles, Jerry Lee, Kris Kristofferson, Dolly Parton, so on and so forth. And I got to see some absolute light elites. And I also got to see the culture. I got to smell the air. I got to see teachers have a beer in their hand on a Saturday night. You know, culture or real living and indulging in art. So there was that stage, and then, obviously, as a young, young, young person, there was Kiss, you know, then Van Halen changed my life.
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Kennedy
That's awesome.
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Sean Cran
And then it went to Pink Floyd. And then the question that you asked me, you know, I went through a really big punk and, like, really, like, really crazy anywhere from Gigi Allen to, you know, Big Black with Steve Albini to Kill Dozer, you know, a lot of punk, sub pop bands. But I'm gonna be honest. When. When I have to say it, you know, it's like when. When I listen to Jane's Editions album, Nothing shocking I seem to find myself because Perry made the album cover. I don't know if he took the photo, but, you know, the songs, the melodies. The first song, Ocean Size, with the line, I wish I was ocean size. The ocean is the biggest mass, you know, on the planet Earth. And just. Just the art. And I was just going through college time period, and I wasn't married yet, and, you know, I was beginning to boil this art that would sooner or later be Slipknot. You know, I'm just a young man going to bars and eating euros afterwards and walking home smoking cigarettes and watching 120 minutes. I was there when Nirvana came on. My best friend was playing computers. My other best friend was eating eggs and rice because he's a bodybuilder. And I was smoking Camels and I was laying on the floor. And by the time that video was over, my cigarette had burnt to the filter. I was standing up and I looked at my friends and I was like, I have no idea who that band is. I've heard of them. You know, I heard a Bleach, but I go, that's going to be the biggest. That beat and that just everything about it, you know, I'm like, that is just awesome feeling. You feel that whole feeling. I'm like, that's going to be the biggest thing. So all that alternative, you said, Chris Cornell. And I want to. I just want to say this real quick. You said it's when, you know, the tide goes back or even comes up when someone lost. I listened to I love Louder Than Love album and, you know, Loud Love and Hands all over and that album, there's a tone and Chris's voice, it's so. It's so hurtful. It's. For me, because that was the era. It was Louder Than Love. It was pretty Hate Machine. It was Ministry stuff. It was. It was all that, you know, Jane's Addiction, Screaming Trees, you know, Primus, Mark Lanegan.
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Kennedy
There's another one.
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Sean Cran
Well, yeah, I mean, Flanagan, Amazing. You know, all that. I grew up with that. That was my era of. Right before marriage. Did, you know, dating my wife. Just get out of. You know, I don't want to be in college and what am I going to do? So. But I would say that I found something really big within myself when I could put the album cover with a singer and a song and the delay on his voice and that. That. That band at that time on that album and the videos and just the expression. I just. I was like, it's not who I was gonna be, but I did their. Their overall full thing. I was like, okay, I can. I can be everything I am. You know, I could take the album cover. I could make the album cover. I. You know, somebody in the band can be on the out, you know, all these things. So anyway. But Elvis is also a part of it. So are the Doors with my mom and these things. So I just love. I'm very blessed to have had music enter my life, but I can't imagine being in this place without music. I mean. And that's all I meant, that you, you know, you're from my past, is that, you know, you're. You're from a particular time in my life. I loved that I relied on, you know, I just had this talk with somebody the other night that, like, I'm a true MTV kid where, like, I relied on the music. And so many people don't understand any of that. The bands told stories, the songs were stories. Then they had a different outlet on the story and the video. None of the bands knew, like, MTV was going to be as big as it was, because just like all bands, your managers come to you and say, hey, there's a new thing called mtv. We're going to have to spend this much on a video. Get it out there. Could be worth this, just like being on the COVID of Rolling Stone or alternate press or Interview. It's. It's. It's all that risk. But, man, if I didn't have all of that and, you know, because you were there. I mean, you were there there, man. Part of my upbringing, all that vibration, all that frequency, all those people, your contribution. I've just been very lucky to have music. And then, honestly, moving frames, you know, videos, just. If you go to Jane's Addiction and you watch nothing shocking. And Mountain Song, you know, off of that call album, they sold a video at the show. It was vhs. It was called Soul Kiss. You bring it home and they got Mountain Song. And I just. I'm just like, I. I'm done. I'm gonna. I'm gonna either be somebody that works for a band that never gets fired, or I'm gonna hopefully work hard enough with the ability to play and be in a band good enough to. To at least provide that thing. So thank you for asking about music. That was a long answer of all wonderful things. But I am just totally dedicated to art and all forms of it and video games, poetry, movies, videos, music stations, radio. It's all. It all has music stuck around it, and just all music helps it down the pipeline. So we're lucky that we've had this.
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Kennedy
Amen. And it is part of your frequency. It is such a foundational part of your identity, and it doesn't go away. That's why it's so awesome, is no one can ever take your experiences away from you. No one can ever take your inspiration away from you. That helps make you the artist that you are. And I think that is one of the most satisfying and fascinating things about what you do. So thank you for that, Sean.
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Sean Cran
Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it very much. We. We. It really comes down to trust. People trust us with their emotions. I see it. I don't. I don't have a lot of time to understand too much what's in front of me, but when it's close enough, I can just see it. And, man, you know, I'm just so thankful to. People need music and you see it, and it's serious business, soul business. And the fact that I get help in whatever it is they're needing because I'm not them, it's an honor. And they, but you know, it's a trade off because they are, they're fueling the locomotive, you know, and, and I go real hard for as long as I can. And then in a Slipknot day when that mask goes off, you, you more or less say to yourself, wow, I just, I actually did something today, you know, I, I did something in this 24 hour period that's, you know, not only for the culture but for myself in spirit. I really went through it. So I'm lucky. I'm really lucky.
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Kennedy
Well, Sean Cram, thank you so much. Best of luck with all of your musical endeavors, Slipknot and beyond, and of course with Vernorth. And it's, it's an incredible journey that continues to inspire. So thank you for your time.
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Sean Cran
Thank you for your time. Much appreciated. I appreciate all you do. And yeah, talk to you soon. Be safe out there.
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Kennedy
You too, man. I appreciate it. This has been Kennedy Saves the World along with Sean Cran. I'm Kennedy. Listen ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcasts and Amazon Prime. Members can listen to this show ad free on the Amazon music app. Oh, go ahead and leave me a review while you're there there. I'd love to hear what you have to say. You've been listening to Kennedy Saves the World on the Fox News podcast network.