Happy Hour: Health Is Wealth, People! Featuring Jillian Michaels

Summary

Kennedy Saves the World: Episode Summary – "Happy Hour: Health Is Wealth, People! Featuring Jillian Michaels"

Release Date: July 11, 2025
Host: FOX News Podcast’s Kennedy
Guest: Jillian Michaels, Fitness Expert and Media Mogul

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Kennedy Saves the World, host Kennedy welcomes renowned fitness expert and media personality Jillian Michaels. The conversation kicks off with a light-hearted exchange over mocktails, setting a friendly and relaxed tone for the deep dive into health, fitness, and broader societal issues affecting well-being.

Early Life and Career Path

Jillian Michaels opens up about her journey to fitness stardom. Contrary to JFK’s initial impression of her as a track star, Jillian shares that she was neither a typical jock nor a nerd in school. Instead, she describes herself as a "Non-Playable Character (NPC)" in her own life, indicating a sense of detachment or lack of fitting into conventional roles (02:00).

She “fell into fitness training organically” while pursuing her black belt, which eventually led her to become a certified trainer with her mother’s support (02:28). This serendipitous path highlights her entrepreneurial spirit and dedication.

Fitness Regimen and Overtraining

Kennedy discusses her own fitness routine, revealing that he participates in half Ironman triathlons twice a year. He emphasizes the importance of training not for aesthetics but for performance, aiming to improve speed and endurance. However, Kennedy expresses frustration over social media criticism regarding his physique, despite maintaining a disciplined training and dietary regimen (05:50).

Jillian provides expert insights into Kennedy's concerns, suggesting that his body might be retaining water due to overtraining and inadequate caloric intake. She explains that excessive training without sufficient nutrition can lead to fluid retention and swollen muscles (06:15). Kennedy acknowledges this possibility, noting that his body typically returns to a leaner state after races (07:30).

Balanced Approach to Fitness

The discussion shifts to the importance of balance in training. Jillian advises against monotonous routines to prevent overuse injuries, advocating for cross-training and diversifying exercise modalities. Kennedy concurs, praising triathlon training for its variety (08:20). They also touch upon the mental and physical benefits of long, slow runs, with Kennedy describing them as meditative and beneficial for maintaining a low heart rate (08:30).

Nutrition and Diet Choices

A significant portion of the conversation centers on nutrition. Kennedy shares his daily intake of approximately 2,100 calories, complemented by rigorous training sessions. Despite his efforts, he faces criticism about his weight, which Jillian attributes to possible overtraining and under-eating. She emphasizes the First Law of Thermodynamics in weight management, stating, “Fat is comprised of stored energy. You have to put it in calories in, and then they get converted into fat cells to store energy” (10:28).

Jillian underscores the importance of whole foods, advocating for organic options where possible, especially for items like skin fruits, vegetables, and dairy. Kennedy echoes this sentiment, highlighting his preference for high-quality cottage cheese rich in probiotics (11:26). They discuss practical dietary choices, such as selecting healthier snacks like beef jerky and avoiding chemically roasted nuts (14:05).

Public Health Concerns and Environmental Factors

The dialogue broadens to address public health issues, including the rise of chronic conditions and the impact of environmental toxins. Jillian aligns with concerns raised by RFK Jr., noting that the increase in autoimmune diseases, autism, infertility, and early-onset cancers cannot be attributed to a single cause. Instead, she points to a cumulative effect of factors like ultra-processed foods, sedentary lifestyles, over-medicalization, and environmental chemicals (15:24).

Kennedy and Jillian discuss the challenges of mitigating exposure to harmful substances in everyday life. Jillian shares her experiences with environmental toxins affecting her health, advocating for stricter regulations and the removal of known poisons from food and water supplies (17:13).

Vaccination and Medical Skepticism

A sensitive topic arises around vaccinations. Jillian clarifies her stance by stating she is not anti-vaxxer but advocates for informed decision-making. She recounts her experience working on "The Doctors" show, where she grew skeptical of standardized vaccination schedules and began questioning the rigor of safety monitoring, such as the limited pre-licensure observation period for certain vaccines like hepatitis B (18:22).

Kennedy shares a poignant story about a friend's newborn suffering from whooping cough due to inadequate vaccination, highlighting the real dangers of infectious diseases and the importance of balanced medical decisions (19:05). Both agree on the necessity of nuanced conversations and accountability within the healthcare system.

Lifestyle Choices and Sustainability

The conversation takes a personal turn as Kennedy inquires about Jillian’s lifestyle choices outside of fitness. Jillian expresses a desire to adopt more traditional, self-sustaining practices but cites time constraints as a barrier. She admires her ex-partner’s skills in beekeeping and gardening, illustrating the challenges of balancing a busy life with sustainable living practices (22:50).

They share humorous anecdotes about pets, emphasizing the unpredictable nature of animals like pigs and the joys and challenges they bring (23:04).

Conclusion

Kennedy and Jillian wrap up the episode with mutual appreciation, reinforcing the importance of maintaining health through balanced fitness, mindful nutrition, and awareness of environmental and public health issues. Kennedy encourages listeners to adopt practical health strategies and express gratitude for the insightful conversation.

Notable Quotes:

• Kennedy [05:50]: "People tell you you're fat on social media. And I'm like, I know I'm in great shape, but..."
• Jillian Michaels [06:15]: "If you're training a lot, especially for endurance sports, it's a sign of overtraining. You might be holding water and overworking your body."
• Jillian Michaels [10:28]: "Fat is comprised of stored energy. You have to put it in calories in, and then they get converted into fat cells to store energy."
• Jillian Michaels [15:24]: "It's the cumulative effects. The crap in your water, the crap in your air, the crap in your food. A sedentary life."
• Jillian Michaels [18:22]: "If I get cancer, it won’t be because I didn't exercise and I didn’t eat. Great."

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of health and wellness, blending personal experiences with expert advice. Jillian Michaels and Kennedy provide valuable insights into maintaining physical fitness, making informed dietary choices, and navigating the complexities of modern public health challenges. Whether you're a fitness enthusiast or someone seeking to improve your overall well-being, this conversation delivers practical tips and thoughtful reflections.

Transcript

[Jillian Michaels]

Foreign.

[Kennedy]

Hello and welcome to this episode of Kennedy Saves the World. I'm so excited to have Jillian Michaels here because she's incredibly smart. She's so hard working. She has built a media empire and she just wants you to be healthy and happy. You have the fitness app.

[Jillian Michaels]

Far too kind of you.

[Kennedy]

And. And now you have my undivided attention. I have.

[Jillian Michaels]

And a beverage for us.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, this is. Look how beautiful this is.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's gorgeous.

[Kennedy]

Like, what a nice summertime drink. This is just strawberries, raspberries and blackberries all frozen with ice and plain topo. Chico.

[Jillian Michaels]

That was such an obnoxious little brat. I tried to drink it before we started. No, we have to now. I hear we go.

[Kennedy]

Yes. Here we go.

[Jillian Michaels]

To your health.

[Kennedy]

To your health. Avotra Sante, as it were. What is it?

[Jillian Michaels]

Chin chin. Oh, that's lovely.

[Kennedy]

That's nice.

[Jillian Michaels]

Refreshing.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Do you mind any notes on your mocktails or sprig of mint maybe?

[Kennedy]

That would be great. Is that rude? That would be amazing.

[Jillian Michaels]

It could also be. Yeah, hold on.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Sprig of mint.

[Kennedy]

No, mint and lime, like. Oh, together. I don't like any kind of lime mint combo because I feel like they're best friends.

[Jillian Michaels]

Mojito.

[Kennedy]

And they compliment anything. Yes, but any form of a virgin mojito tastes like a mojito. Like, it is satisfying.

[Jillian Michaels]

I totally agree.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. Were you always fit or were you a fat kid? Were you a fat kid?

[Jillian Michaels]

Not everybody knew that.

[Kennedy]

I remember hearing that. But I also pictured you being like a track star in. In sixth grade. And. And they moved you up to the high school because you were so fast.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, my God. There's like a Sue Gutfeld later and there's a question about whether or not you were the nerd in school or the jock. And it's like, I. I wasn't intelligent enough to be the nerd and I wasn't athletic enough to be the jock. I was like. What's it called? Like the. The character that you can't play in a video game. A non playable character. An npc my kid called. That's what I was. I was an NPC Non playable character.

[Kennedy]

That's funny.

[Jillian Michaels]

Very sad, I know.

[Kennedy]

But what did you think your life was going to be when you finished high school?

[Jillian Michaels]

You know what? I really didn't know. But, you know, I was always very entrepreneurial. I was hard working and I kind of fell into the things that I loved organically. So I graduated high school early not because I was a genius. I made that very clear. But because my birthday fell on like a weird date.

[Kennedy]

You're February.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

So I was like, I have a March.

[Kennedy]

So she's like the oldest one in her class.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yep, exactly.

[Kennedy]

Hold on.

[Jillian Michaels]

I made this too high. Nowhere at eye level. Thank you. Sorry about that.

[Kennedy]

Okay.

[Jillian Michaels]

So I ended up, you know, doing a series of odd jobs and delivering food and parking cars and all this crap and ended up falling into fitness training because I was pursuing my black belt. So I was training at the gym and people saw me training and presumed I was a trainer. And fortunately, my mom had the common sense and foresight to help me get my first little certification.

[Kennedy]

Oh, cool.

[Jillian Michaels]

The rest is kind of history fell into it.

[Kennedy]

Oh, that's amazing. I'm just the nosy person who gives people advice at the gym. Totally unqualified and probably giving bad advice.

[Jillian Michaels]

Tell me, what's the advice?

[Kennedy]

Usually it's lift with your back.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, I love that one.

[Kennedy]

Do you lessen the legs.

[Jillian Michaels]

Surgeries when you're lifting them?

[Kennedy]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Here's my guard.

[Kennedy]

I have a side hustle as an orthopedic surgeon.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, come. Come see me when you herniate. Five days. All right. I like it. It'll be fun, Smart.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. But I do like I. I swim and I always want to correct people's form. And then I realized if they watch me swim, they'd really want to correct my form. So I think so. Oh, yeah?

[Jillian Michaels]

Really? Why do you think that? Is your form no good?

[Kennedy]

Oh, it used to be horrible. And then I've worked really, really hard. And so now all I have is my form and no speed. But I look like I'm swimming really fast.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's awesome though. Sure make that better. Well, no, I see. I would look at your form and think, wow.

[Kennedy]

No, I have the same thing running. Like, if you look at me running, you're like, oh, that's. What is that? An 8 minute mile? 10 and a half on a good day.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah. Which, by the way, is excellent. I'm sure it is.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Honest to God, I'm a terrible, terrible runner. I have no slow twitch fiber. I'm all fast twitch.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, you'd be a great sprinter.

[Jillian Michaels]

I am the absolute. I could do anything once. Yeah, like a one arm pull up. You'd be like, whoa, like one of them. So I'm a horrendously slow runner. And you know, you're running like a six. A six mile per hour. Six miles per hour is a ten minute mile. That's not. Not terrible.

[Kennedy]

No, that's good. No, but I run it. Like people go, oh wow, she knows what she's doing. And then they run next to me and like, oh, that's so sad. No, it's like, it's like an old Mercedes with a four cylinder engine in it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Hold on. Old Mercedes, Awesome.

[Kennedy]

Yes, it looks fantastic.

[Jillian Michaels]

And it runs.

[Kennedy]

Yes, it does.

[Jillian Michaels]

All the time. It's reliable.

[Kennedy]

Great grocery getter. Not so much on the freeway. And that's okay. We all. Okay. So I've been wanting to ask you something.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Kennedy]

So I am 52, almost 53. I. I do half Ironman triathlons. I usually do two races a year. It's great. I love it. That's what, that's what helps my fitness. Because I'm always training, I'm never working out for how I look. I'm always literally just trying to get a little bit faster. So I have a coach, she gives me a schedule. I try to adhere to it as best I can. Sometimes I do. Most weeks I don't, but I really do try. So I am never heavier than right before races. I look like I'm 10 pounds heavier. And the one criticism that people always give me is on social media is they tell me I look fat. And it's like, I know I'm not fat, I know I'm in great shape, but. And I lift weights and I eat protein.

[Jillian Michaels]

People tell you you're fat on social media?

[Kennedy]

Yes. You need blocks. They tell me I have fat arms. And I'm like, I swear. Are you eating those time and lift weights? I'm like, what are you talking about? And then you're were like, oic is bad. You just need to be in calorie deficit. And I'm like, I'm in a calorie deficit and my body still holds on to it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, what it sounds like you're doing, if I had to guess, you're obviously training a lot and you're probably eating too little. So the reason you think you're the biggest before a race is probably because you're holding.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

But you're probably holding water and relatively swollen and over training a little bit. And that's why that's happening. Whereas if I dialed back your training and gave you a little bit more food, you would drink.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, I don't know. I really love food. I'm not one of those.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay. I mean, how.

[Kennedy]

I'm not one of those no food people. I'm one of those people that.

[Jillian Michaels]

So how many calories are you getting? And then what's your training regimen it.

[Kennedy]

Depends on the day. I would say I get probably 2100 calories a day.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, but how many hours are you training?

[Kennedy]

Some days it's two hours. That's pretty typical. Some days it's an hour. Some days I will do a half hour of sprints if I have. If that's the only time I have. Okay.

[Jillian Michaels]

I mean I would say.

[Kennedy]

And I do, I do Pilates.

[Jillian Michaels]

Pilates is great.

[Kennedy]

I do lift weights.

[Jillian Michaels]

If you're training a lot, especially for people that engage in endurance sports generally it's a sign of over training. They swell up a little bit, they're holding fluid. And I would imagine that after like a week of nothing, you probably drop about £5.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

If you.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, after races for sure. Right. After races I get hot dog fingers and my legs swell up like really bad edema.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's, that's why. And leading up to that you're also training a heck of a lot, you know, with endurance sports. Listen, I'm all for what should people be doing?

[Kennedy]

Marathon.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, don't forget that the first guy that ran a marathon, didn't he die? That's true.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, the Romans are coming dead. I didn't ace history, but I'm pretty sure that guy died. So you know, I, I say those kinds of things are really bucket list. And from that point pick something reasonable like a sprint. Try a classic try and work to perfect your time. Cross train. Don't do one thing over and over to avoid overuse injury.

[Kennedy]

That's why I love triathlon is like I'm doing different stuff every day.

[Jillian Michaels]

That is awesome.

[Kennedy]

And I love long slow runs. Like it is meditative, like a two hour run.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh.

[Kennedy]

But I go by time, not distance. And it's like I go as slow as possible to my heart rate down. Because the long runs you want a nice low heart rate.

[Jillian Michaels]

How, how, how, how, how fast are you running for two hours?

[Kennedy]

It that's probably like 11 and a half minute mile.

[Jillian Michaels]

So like a five. Five probably.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's a lot. How often are you doing two hour runs?

[Kennedy]

Once a week. I have one long run a week.

[Jillian Michaels]

Once a week. That's okay.

[Kennedy]

One bike a week and then the rest is. Yeah, okay.

[Jillian Michaels]

And strength training and it's not so bad. I mean if you were doing like long runs often.

[Kennedy]

No, no. My body does not like the long runs often. Okay. My body.

[Jillian Michaels]

Most people don't. Most people are not built.

[Kennedy]

I talk to people. Who are the ultra marathoners? One guy who was a gymnastics dad when my girls Were in gymnastics. He's a little. Sorry, Jim. Oh, he was running 10 miles a day. And I'm like, I can't do that. But.

[Jillian Michaels]

But even Cam Haynes, who's, I mean, listen, he's very aspirational. But, like, I ran for 250 miles on a smashed foot.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. I mean, David Goggins.

[Jillian Michaels]

I mean, you can.

[Kennedy]

I ran 80 miles for the first time and pooped myself.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah. Like you. You can.

[Kennedy]

I love David Goggins.

[Jillian Michaels]

I. I think he's great. But. But there's a. David Goggins, though, will tell you that he's running from demons. Literally. He will tell you this. So if you're exercising demons in your mind and, and running is saving your life quite, quite literally, that's very different than doing something because you want to clean. Bill of health at the doctor's office is obvious.

[Kennedy]

What would you tell someone to do? Like, what would be a good week?

[Jillian Michaels]

Truthfully, I would always default to common sense first. And at this point, I'm trying to meet people where they're at. You know, if you caught me 10 years ago, I probably would have been far more demanding. But the reality is, if you don't overeat, you will not get bigger. Calories are units of energy. Fat does a lot of things in the body, but it is comprised of stored energy. That's. That's how it gets there.

[Kennedy]

It's.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's physics. It's the first law of thermodynamics.

[Kennedy]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

Energy isn't created or destroyed in a vacuum. Like, fat doesn't just arrive there.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

You have to, you have to put it in calories in. And then they get converted into fat cells to store energy. If you don't eat too many calories. I'm sorry, the carbohydrate insulin model of obesity has been debunked.

[Kennedy]

I love carbohydrates.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's totally fine.

[Kennedy]

I really do.

[Jillian Michaels]

Ideally, they would be complex carbohydrates. Right.

[Kennedy]

But I mean, I have celiac disease, so I'm not sitting around eating Wonder Bread.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, that's brutal. But good, though, that you're not right, so that, that's just not true. If you, if you don't overeat, you won't get bigger. Where that Venn diagram of size and health intersects is with what accompanies those calories. So is it a bunch of chemicals and preservatives and fake fats and fake sugars and fake dyes that the other emulsifiers, or is it micronutrients, vitamins minerals, polyphenols.

[Kennedy]

Microbot choy.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

Which I love.

[Jillian Michaels]

Absolutely.

[Kennedy]

Big fan. Just discovered the micro bok choy.

[Jillian Michaels]

Totally. So this is like, don't overeat. Use common sense with your food choices. Eat whole foods as often as you can.

[Kennedy]

I do.

[Jillian Michaels]

If you can afford organic, do it especially.

[Kennedy]

But there are certain foods where you absolutely should get organic.

[Jillian Michaels]

Skin, fruits and vegetables, 100%, I would say dairy. And the quality of your protein really matters.

[Kennedy]

I like the good cottage cheese. That's wonderful, that brand.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, that's good.

[Kennedy]

Yes. Because good culture. Good culture. Yeah. Because they have probiotics.

[Jillian Michaels]

Is it organic? I think it is. Is it good organic?

[Kennedy]

They only have it at Whole Foods around me. Like the Morton Williams doesn't have it, which is fine.

[Jillian Michaels]

All right.

[Kennedy]

But I love that because that's not like. I think people get really frustrated because they feel like they have to construct a food prison.

[Jillian Michaels]

They don't. And it's like you give them the calorie allowance.

[Kennedy]

I wear a glucose monitor on my arm because of keto. And it's like, that's no fun. I don't want to.

[Jillian Michaels]

If you like it and it motivates you, do it.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, by all means, that's great. Still follow the same principles. Don't overeat. Use common sense with your food choices. If you're keto, ideally you'd have grass fed steak instead of baloney. Right.

[Kennedy]

Don't go anywhere more. Kennedy saves the world. Right after this.

[Jillian Michaels]

It is time to take the quiz.

[Kennedy]

It's five questions in less than five minutes.

[Jillian Michaels]

We asked people on the streets of New York City to play along. Let's see how you do.

[Kennedy]

Take the quiz every day at thequiz box, then come back here to see how you did. Thank you for taking the quiz. Do you eat meat?

[Jillian Michaels]

Absolutely. Oh, God, yeah. And a few times in my life I stopped, not for health reasons, because I'm like a huge animal lover.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

And I hate being responsible for killing something.

[Kennedy]

Like, I hate it.

[Jillian Michaels]

It just, it's been a huge thing for me my whole life. And the reality is I've, I've, I've looked at this from every single angle and it's like, oh, you people who don't eat meat, kill more little critters in the fields with your vegetable. And I become anemic. The reality is I become anemic every time like that. So I do eat meat for, for my health. I eat good quality meat. I don't eat tons of meat.

[Kennedy]

When you come to New York where do you eat?

[Jillian Michaels]

Gosh, I'm usually in and out. So like, I always kind of go to like Le Pan Quitterienne because it's manageable. I know the quality of the ingredients are solid.

[Kennedy]

Oh, good.

[Jillian Michaels]

I usually pack like a bag of snacks, but I'm out.

[Kennedy]

If you are on the road driving through Iowa.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

And there's only fast food, what do you get?

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, I would stop at like a convenience store and get the little pack of hard boiled eggs or the little cheese stick or maybe the beef jerky. I love beef jerky, like the best quality.

[Kennedy]

There's so many healthy beef jerkies.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, absolutely. So that, that's, that's generally what I would. What I would defer to. I would get probably the piece of fruit to go with it that might not be organic. And if there's any nuts that are not roasted in chemically extracted seed oil, I'm probably trying.

[Kennedy]

Do you love RFK Jr.

[Jillian Michaels]

Listen, I don't even know him, okay? I want to be super clear about this. I've met him twice, okay? I do not work for this administration. I can't attest to the quality of.

[Kennedy]

His character in any way whatsoever.

[Jillian Michaels]

But the things that he is advocating for are significant and the problems that he is identifying are real.

[Kennedy]

Yes. These, these chronic conditions, chronic childhood obesity, you know, it's like exploring immune conditions.

[Jillian Michaels]

Of autoimmune conditions of autism, of infertility, of early onset cancer, diagnoses. Like, this is real and we should be asking questions. We should be trying to get to the bottom of these.

[Kennedy]

Do you think it's like EMFs and 5G and it's out there? Or do you think it's the foods that we're putting into our bodies?

[Jillian Michaels]

It's all of it.

[Kennedy]

Okay?

[Jillian Michaels]

It really is all of it. I mean, any credible expert that I have had the pleasure of interviewing.

[Kennedy]

Really.

[Jillian Michaels]

Come down to the conclusion that it's the cumulative effects. The crap in your water, the crap in your air, the crap in your food. A sedentary life. I mean, to be honest, for. For its, you know, clerical errors. The MAHA report identified four key things that are at the root of this. Not that we didn't know this already, but it's the insane rise in ultra processed foods. It's our sedentary lifestyle, it's the over medicalization of our conditions, and it's the chemicals in our environment. That's it. That is it. That is the answer. So you can't isolate one thing, nor should you. And in fact, you know, people like.

[Kennedy]

To like that our brains really like oversimplifying.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know, and it's annoying. I was in a conversation recently with an MIT professor who had as a podcast and she was talking to me about red number three. She's like, I've done all of this research and you would need to eat. I remember like, you know, five, seven, seven sevens full of rice.

[Kennedy]

These are all organic. These frozen berries, all organic.

[Jillian Michaels]

They better be. I expect nothing less.

[Kennedy]

I'm local.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, thank you. The point she was trying to make is, you know, you're fear mongering over this food dye. But to be exceptionally nefarious, according to the conflicted research, by the way, you would need to eat like an insane amount, like a gallon a day.

[Kennedy]

Right? 45 years.

[Jillian Michaels]

Exactly. But the point that I was trying to make to her is twofold. First of all, you're negating all of the other chemicals that you're taking in. How are you not looking at toxic load across the board? And why are you advocating for petroleum based food dyes when there's beetroot powder here?

[Kennedy]

Yeah, as long as it's like, it's.

[Jillian Michaels]

A never trump conversation.

[Kennedy]

It's not turmeric and powdered kale and like that. Like, I know it's vibrant. I just don't want the government because, man, I love freedom. I don't want the government telling me what to put in my body. Like, sometimes I want a very brightly colored snow cone when I go to Hawaii.

[Jillian Michaels]

Can I ask you this, though? Here's the problem. When I leave home, it is almost impossible for me to mitigate all of the chemicals and the crap and the poison that I come into contact with. And if I get cancer, it will not be because I didn't exercise and I didn't eat. Great. So when I leave home, like, my coffee's not organic. I, you know, the milk is not organic. The chemicals in my hotel room, like, it give me a headache almost instantly. Like, they really do. The cleaners and all that, that makeup I have to wear every single day, all this stuff. If, if I literally could just show up at a hotel and a toxic ingredient was banned and you had to use green clean products. Why is that bad? Like, why do you want a petroleum based food diet? And by the way, if you want it so bad, you could eat a marker and some Vaseline and you'd be good.

[Kennedy]

I've done it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Hey, I'm just saying, like, he's, he's still making the COVID vaccine available. It's just not recommended on The CDC schedule for children.

[Kennedy]

I don't, I don't have a problem with that either. I don't have a problem with rethinking the schedule of vaccines that we give our kids. And I was talking to one of the lawyers who is in charge of Dell Big Trees foundation. And, you know, and he's a trial lawyer, and he was explaining a lot of these things to me. I'm not an anti vaxxer.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm not either.

[Kennedy]

And. But, you know, but when my kids were babies, we sat down with a pediatrician, was like, okay, this feels like too much. Maybe we don't clump them all here and here and here. Maybe we rethink this one. And she was very receptive to that.

[Jillian Michaels]

That is exactly the way that I've been advocating for people to approach it. Because if you look at something like whooping cough, that poses a real freaking threat to your newborn.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. My, my friend's newborn almost died from it because they didn't vaccinate their older son. He brought it home.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

And you know, their child, it'll.

[Jillian Michaels]

It'll kill you.

[Kennedy]

She was in ICU for weeks.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, now is that child going to get hepatitis B?

[Kennedy]

No, that child's not getting hepatitis B.

[Jillian Michaels]

Unless mom has hepatitis B. Yeah. And you can test mom. Sure. So that's exactly the point. There's a ton of nuance, but if you shut down these conversations, then there's definitely something bizarre going on. Why are we not allowed to ask these questions? And the reality is, when you go digging for answers, there's some pretty grifty things that occurred. When it comes to, let's say the habitat is B vaccination being on the schedule for kids. Do your own homework around it. But, you know, so I, I'm all for asking questions and I'm all for holding big corporations accountable. I don't think that we should have chemicals sprayed on our crops excessively that are linked to chemical warfare, like Agent Orange. I like to be legal to me. So I would like to see some of this stuff that is a known poison removed from our food and our water.

[Kennedy]

Yes, I agree. We do have much cleaner water than we did in even the 90s. You know, it's like a lot of conservatives hate Richard Nixon for passing the Clean Water and Clean Air Acts, which is very funny. But, you know, it's like when I first moved to Southern California in 1990, I couldn't see the. The mountains and in the San Gabriel Valley. Yeah. Because of the smog. Like, it was awful. I, I Remember trying to go running at night and. And my throat and my eyes were watering and burning, and I was like, this is not right. However, now our water and our air are so much cleaner, and my only worry is the hysteria, because if, you know, if, if you.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's a lot of bad stuff in the water.

[Kennedy]

I know if we have these questions, that. Which is fine. I just feel bad for parents who've already vaccinated their kids because I don't need to live with guilt.

[Jillian Michaels]

Already guilty. But you, you.

[Kennedy]

You know, because you can't unring that.

[Jillian Michaels]

No, you can't. And that's okay. You know, we do our best. At the time, I remember my ex being skeptical, and I was working on a show called the Doctors, and all the doctors were like, oh, don't be ridiculous. And I just followed the dogma. I was like, well, these are doctors, but you don't really think about who trained them and what research is actually available to them. And do they actually read the package insert in the hepatitis B vaccine that says it was only monitored for safety Pre licensure for 5 days after each injection? Like, did you look at that?

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm just saying that you do the best you can, and when you know more, you evolve. I don't have a time machine. I can't go back and unvaccinate my son for hepatitis B. But I, you know, as I learn more, I make changes in all of our lives to try to improve and keep us healthier. But it should be helpful if the government, it supported us instead of worked against us.

[Kennedy]

When you go home, are you a trad wife? Do you turn your own butter?

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't have time.

[Kennedy]

Do you wear handmade muslin clothing?

[Jillian Michaels]

I do.

[Kennedy]

Your butter.

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't, I'm afraid. I would love to be that person, but I don't have the skill set or the time. But my, My ex is kind of like that. She's good at stuff. Yeah, she can, like, I don't know, kept bees, and she's a gardener, and she was way ahead of the curve with that stuff.

[Kennedy]

Did she have chickens before the bees?

[Jillian Michaels]

We had chickens, okay?

[Kennedy]

Because my cousin who now goats, said chickens are the gateway animal. And once you get chickens, then you get ducks, and then once you get ducks, then you get goats. And so I would have bypassed all of it. And I told my partner, like, I want a donkey. And he's like, absolutely not. Please don't ever say that again. I'm like, wouldn't you love, like a funny, silly donkey just running around the yard.

[Jillian Michaels]

He's like, no, that's Morris's.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. I would love a pig. I would love a micro pig in that. I would love to sleep in bed with a micro pig.

[Jillian Michaels]

Stella, she slept on our dog.

[Kennedy]

Overwhelmed, which was how they're cute and smart.

[Jillian Michaels]

Sometimes they're a little angry, though.

[Kennedy]

Really?

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, you can see that. That, like, wild boar DNA come out every now and again, especially around dinner time.

[Kennedy]

Oh, hello. Yeah, it's like, do that again. I'm saving you bacon. All right, Jillian, thank you so much. I love talking to you. I would love to talk to you more and more about everything in the world. I feel better about my fitness and my life and my. My water supply.

[Jillian Michaels]

Get a reverse osmosis filter.

[Kennedy]

Okay. Consider it done. I'm gonna. I'm gonna give 15 away right now to the fourth. No, I'm just kidding. Jillian Michaels, the fitness app. Be well and continue to prosper and conquer the world.

[Jillian Michaels]

Thank you so much. I got you.

[Kennedy]

This has been Kennedy Saves the world along with Jillian Michaels. I'm Kennedy. Listen, Adam. Free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcast and Amazon prime, members can listen to this show ad free on the Amazon music app. Oh, go ahead and leave me a review while you're there. I'd love to hear what you have to say. You've been listening to Kennedy Saves the World on the Fox News podcast network.