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Hello and welcome to this episode of Kennedy Saves the World. I have been happily waiting for Cat Timf to reemerge on the podcast, and she is here. It is happy hour. Yes, Katherine, you have lost the taste for alcohol postpartum.
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B
Yeah, I very rarely drink anymore, and it just feels gross. Like, since I had the baby, it just. Like, I very rarely do I even want it, and it just feels yucky.
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A
Are you part of the drinking is bad for you trend, which is way too popular right now?
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B
Drinking is bad for you, but that's also not really why I don't drink as much anymore. It's because I don't really want it. And also because when I drink it, I feel terrible the next day.
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A
Isn't that interesting how, like, your body and your metabolism change because of hormones, because of age and, you know, I have faith in you. I know you're gonna.
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B
I really wanna get back there.
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A
I really wanna get back there. I just think about our treehouse in South Africa.
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B
Oh, yeah, getting hammered. Look, that's the other thing. Like, we had fun. It was fun. But it's also not fun now when there's a little baby who needs me in the morning.
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A
And you can't be hungover with a baby.
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B
You can't be hungover with a baby. You just can't do it.
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A
Oh, by the way, cheers to you.
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B
Cheers.
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A
Yes. So this is pink raspberry lemonade, grapefruit, lacroix, and a little bit of grenadine with frozen berries.
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B
It's delicious.
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A
It's refreshing.
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B
Yes, it's very good.
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A
Like, you are refreshing. So you have been through so much since you last came on this podcast. How often does it weigh on you, what you've been through? Is it the kind of thing where it's the first thing you think about in the morning? Like, I found out that I had breast cancer the day I went into labor. Or has there been a normalization where your life feels pretty stable and then every once in a while you have, like, a sharp memory or a glimpse?
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B
How.
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A
How does it occur to you? How are you processing that?
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B
So I feel like I'm definitely still processing it. I am very relieved that it's the fall, which means nipple seasons over in Manhattan. As I talked to you about so many times, philosophically, I'm all for free. The nipple bras are a prison. I get it. Especially in the heat in Manhattan. Don't wear a bra. I get it. I got you.
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A
I've never in my 53 years seen a fashion phase where nipples are as prominent as they are, I've never seen anything like it.
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B
This summer it was more. I don't know if it's just because I was looking for it, but it was like nipples were the summer's hot accessory and I could not participate in this trend.
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A
It was the booby la boo boo.
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B
It was crazy. And I just would, I would be like, I'd go outside and I'd see all the nipples and I would be like kind of bummed. And then I would go home sometimes and I'd see someone in Italy showing off her nipples. And sometimes I would just lose it. Sometimes I just completely melt down because I don't have nipples yet. December 4th is my nipple reconstruction. And that's step one. And then I'm getting the tattoos after. But it was devastating.
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A
Can you please. So I think this is fascinating. So I think, you know, one of the positives, what you have been through, being diagnosed with cancer, literally the day you had a baby, going public about it, talking about, and the incoming, the criticism that you received. And it's like, I'm used to people who work at Fox News being a target, but the personal, vindictive, vitriolic, angry criticism that you received when you disclosed your treatment was unlike anything I had ever seen.
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B
I know. And everyone had opinions about it and I get it. But it's like, people like, why double mastectomy?
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A
And I had the same thing.
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B
No, you didn't.
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A
I just had a shot of adrenaline and I'm fine.
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B
But it's just like you didn't. If you're 85, you did not have the same thing as a 36 year old pregnant woman being diagnosed with breast cancer. It's not the same. There's a lot of different reasons why it's different. And I tried to put myself in the place of these people just care about me. I did lose it on one lady, the 30th comment that I was like, why double mastectomy? I replied. And I was like, just for fun. Just for fun. I thought, like, I didn't have enough going on with a newborn, like a literal fresh baby, that I just decided, why don't I cut my off also? You don't need those for a newborn. There'd be nothing that I wanted to do with a newborn with those. So it's like, obviously I consider this. Obviously I took this very seriously.
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A
I mean, you're in New York City.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You went to a number of doctors, a number of hospitals.
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B
I went to three, yes.
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A
And you got advice from world class Surgeons and oncologists and came to a very well informed decision. Yeah.
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B
And I would have had the choice. I could have done a lumpectomy. But then my nip. It was in my nipple anyway, so. And I don't really. I didn't have big boobs, so, like, my. Was like all nipple anyway. So I'm basically removing one. And then I would need radiation and hormone blockers. And then I would need to continually be doing these scans over and over again to see if it came back. And those six weeks, which you obviously knew about. I was talking to you throughout this. I wasn't really talking to a lot of people about this. About how I didn't really know if it had spread or not until a couple weeks after my mastectomy. And I got the pathology back. That was a really hard time. Obviously, for me. Very stressful. For me. For anybody, it would be. I. I didn't want to put myself through that every couple months. So it was.
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A
Yeah. Like, every time you have a lump or every time there is, you know, a microscopic development in a scan, you have to live in that limbo.
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B
Absolutely. And I couldn't live like that. So it was. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do. But it was. It was an easy choice. I. It was definitely an easy choice.
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A
So. And walk me through. Because, you know, there may be people watching who know that you had a mastectomy and reconstruction, but they're like, what's the thing with the nipples?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, you know, I don't wanna be rude and ask.
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B
It's okay. Yeah. So the thing with the nipples.
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A
And I think this is very good for women who are going through the same thing. Cause they're terrified. They feel like they have to hide it and that they should be ashamed. And, you know, as I was saying, one of the positives to come out of this, you being so open about everything you've gone through. And I know other women have reached out to you and said they have. Thank you. Because I haven't been able to talk about this with anyone.
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B
And that has made it all worth it to hear from those women. Hear from women who I've helped them or people who have went and gotten checked out when they wouldn't have before. But. So the nipple reconstruction is they make a nipple out of your skin. They actually make a nipple, an actual protrusion out of your skin.
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A
And that's the surgery.
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B
And that's. Yes. And it's easy. I only need to take a day off work. That's amazing. So it's. Yeah, it's easy. And then I have to wait six more months, and then I get them tattooed. Some women just get the 3D tattoos, and the 3D tattoos look really, really good. They actually. I mean, I've seen so many of these at this point. They actually do look like there's a protrusion there. The problem is, in nipple season, you can't participate because. Which some people is a positive. Like, you don't have to wear a.
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A
Protruding T shirt unless you're wearing, like, a sheer tank top.
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B
Yeah, exactly. So you can't. You can't. You don't. I want to have that little protrusion there. So I'm going to. I'm going for it all. I'm going for everything that's available to me. But it is so nuts because I'm obviously somebody who just. I just, like, put it all out there. That's who I am. I had a tough time for a little bit deciding, like, do I tell people I don't have nipples? Because a lot of people I know have gone public with their own mastectomies, have said, oh, I have a nipple sparing mastectomy. I had a nipple sparing mastectomy. And that's great for them. It was not an option for me. So I was like, is everybody gonna think I'm a gross, disgusting freak if I don't have nipples? And then I was like, man, if I'm feeling this way, there's a lot of other women out there who probably feel this way. So I really want to show. Put my. Put this all out there. Put it out there that I feel this way, and then put out there the fact that I don't always feel this way. Like, I saw my picture in the New York Times style section. I was like, damn, I look so hot.
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A
You looked amazing.
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B
And it felt like such a win over so many things that had tried to take me down. To actually look at myself and be like, I look hot.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, to objectify myself. Not just like, I'm so proud of you. You're so strong. But, like, you look hot.
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A
Yes.
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B
You know, I could not have imagined that in March when I was hobbling around my apartment with drains dangling on my side, you know?
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A
Yes. With the newborn baby.
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B
With the literal newborn baby. I know.
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A
And that was tough because there were times where you couldn't, you know, you could snuggle with your baby. You were side by side with your baby. You touched and kissed and nuzzled him constantly, but you couldn't, like, Pick him up for a while.
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B
It was such an insane scene in my apartment that I don't know how we got through it. So it's. It's me, the dog, the geriatric cat. My husband Cam, my father. Cause my mom's dead. So I got my dad there and a baby boy. So I'm surrounded by all these dudes.
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A
Clearly, it's all men, and it's all. It's all males.
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B
There's a lot of penises in this apartment. And then me going through two things that are just so feminine. I mean, that are just. That only a woman could even hope to understand, which is obviously being postpartum, having given birth, breastfeeding for a month, and then having your breasts removed, which, like, my husband can't. He's like, well, they're just fat. Like, he's like your boo. They look way better now. Like, who care? And it's like, you don't get it. And he never will get it. He can't get it because he's a dude.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I was going through that with all these. And it's like when I would hear my son cry, and I had just been. You know, just remove my boobs. And that was obviously hard enough because I love breastfeeding. I was really good at it. I would have done it forever.
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A
I could not believe how.
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B
So much milk. So much.
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A
I've never seen anything like it. I know.
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B
It's. I was able to freeze enough to feed him for another month after that. There was so much milk.
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A
Insane. Yes.
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B
So. But I just had, you know, had that amazing experience. He's crying after I, you know, have had my mastectomy, and I have to go get a man to pick him up. Like, it just made me feel like a bad mom. Even though I logically knew that wasn't the case. And what I did, I did because I want to be around for him for a long time. But to be like, all right, my son's crying everything. My body's screaming to go pick him up, but I can't do that, or I could really hurt myself, so let me go get one of these dudes. Like, it was just so, so hard. I don't know how all of us got through that. I really don't know how we did. People like, how'd you do that? I'm like, I don't know, but I must have, because I'm still here today. I literally don't know.
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A
Other than your dad, who doesn't live in New York.
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B
No. Doesn't Live in New York.
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A
Yeah. No help. Like, it was amazing. Like, beholding that as a friend, like, it was absolutely incredible to see the two of you balancing this and then when you went back to work. But I have to know how. What is the process for picking out nipples? Like, do they have a menu that's, I don't know. Are there pictures? Do you look at points Horn?
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B
Like, how do you decide?
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A
Is it something, like, aspirational? Like, you know, I've always wanted pink nipples the size of a saucer.
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B
I know I'm going to go see my plastic surgeon at the end of the month, so I wonder if that's when I'm gonna start picking them out.
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A
Yes.
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B
So I'm sure that's probably when I am gonna start picking them out.
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A
I mean, do you pick size? Do you.
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B
Yeah, you pick everything. You get to pick everything.
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A
Are you sticking with the original model?
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B
I think I'm gonna stick with the original model.
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A
Okay.
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B
With. Yeah, I think I'm gonna stick with the original model. But it's, it's, it's like, such a weird thing to do to be like, what nipples would I like for myself? It was weird picking out my own boobs. It was very weird picking out my own boobs.
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A
How do you do that? Like, do you, Are there, are there shapes? Like, because I've seen, like, teardrop.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's especially weird when you have no idea what your natural boobs would look like because your whole body's different from having just given birth.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because I, I have kept weight from my pregnancy, thank God, on my body, which looks great on me, and I love it. But, like, and you really strong. I, I, I've been working. I was so skinny before. I was so skinny. Way too skinny before. And then I gained weight with pregnancy. I've kept some of it, but I'm like, so my boobs from before pregnancy wouldn't fit. And then I'm like, okay, my obvious. I was breastfeeding at the time. That's way too big. Those are gigantic. Gigantic, gigantic. Especially because I was over producing. No way. So I didn't know what size to go with. So my doctor really kind of helped me. And there were certain things that you had to take into account. Like, if I went a little smaller, then I, they would have been too far apart. So, like, it, they're, they kind of help you decide with that. But with my surgery, when I got my boobs fully removed, they put expanders in. They put tissue expanders in, which is that pretty Typical. Yeah, it's. It's. Everyone's different. Some people go direct to implant. That wasn't an option for me. It's.
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A
It's.
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B
It's depends. Some women need radiation. Some people need to get treatment first. But for me, they put expanders in, and then after some healing time, I would go in every week and get them filled a little bit. So then I kind of got to try on different sizes. Now, it wasn't perfect because the expanders were way further apart than mine are now, but you got a sense. I got a sense for what all these different sizes would look like on my body. But it was such a weird thing. And I remember being feeling like I was embarrassed to go out in public after with my implants. Cause everyone's gonna be like, look what she picked. Those are the boobs you want. And, like, I just. It just. It's just such a weird thing. It's so strange because it's like, you know, I don't know if you've ever heard of this before, but sometimes women have, you know, a tough time getting used to their postpartum body. Like, that's enough of a thing in its own. I also had to cut my off at the exact same time and get new ones.
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A
You have, like, your. Your hormones are shifting, like, and, you know, it's like you can be postpartum by a few months and think that you're good, and then all of a sudden, you get a curveball and an emotional curveball, and you're like, I did not. I was not told this totally. There's no book that talks about this. On top of navigating, you know, two surgeries, two major surgeries, healing and trying to figure out the system for caring for your baby and then coming back to work, where everyone, on a good day when you look fantastic, wants to.
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B
Pick you apart, absolutely. Everyone's looking. But one thing that it kind of taught me, I guess, is just how. I mean, Buddhism talks all the time about attachment being the root of all this suffering. And I can kind of really had to live that because it's like so much was changing about my body so fast that I didn't really have the time to pick apart any one thing. And I almost got kind of a crash course, and, like, boom. This is what. This is what you thought your body was. Look how fast that can change. Look how fast so many things can change that I, in many ways, am more confident in my body now. Now, of course, the nipple thing, still really tough. Like, that's still really tough scars. Still really tough. Going to be tough. But overall, I've had this sort of perspective shift of, like, how foolish to get attached to any of this. Look at how fast things can change. And I wonder if I hadn't gone through this trauma, if I would have been more critical of my body postpartum than I have been.
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A
I think you would have, because I.
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B
Haven'T at all been. I haven't at all been. I'm like, wow, look what my body was able to do. Don't go anywhere.
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A
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B
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A
No, but it's like, the best thing. One of the best things, in addition to the fact that you're healthy and cancer free and have an absolutely beautiful baby.
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B
Yeah, he's really cute.
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A
Sleeps when you put him down.
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B
Yes, he does.
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A
Like, I've never seen anything like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And now I'm really excited for you to have a second baby because I want to see if the second baby does.
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B
The second baby's gonna be a nightmare. I just know it. But you go like, the first baby.
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A
You'Re like, okay, I'm putting you in your crib. And then he puts his butt in the air.
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B
He flips over, puts his butt in the air and sleeps.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And he's just like.
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A
And he's good with it. He's like, nope, we're good.
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B
And I'll see him in 11, 12 hours.
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A
Yeah. Unbelievable. Never seen anything like it. I know there are babies who sleep. My older one slept. Not like that, though. Like, it is. It is unbelievable. So I hope there's a system that. That, you know, you can replicate and show the rest of the world.
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B
It's just, I. It makes me really happy because, like, sorry, I don't. Emotional. I. I wanted so badly for him to not know that this happened. Like, you know, I don't want him to, like, because babies can sense things. And I tried to not, like, melt down in front of him. I would try to, like, leave the room if I was gonna freak out because I just. I don't. He's just this sweet, innocent little boy. And I will. I will. It's like, I just want to be like, I'll tell you someday what an absolute show you were. Born into. But I don't want you to know right now that this is a show. I want you to know how much everyone loves you. And, man, did a lot of people come together for this little guy. I mean, Cam, my dad, and then you obviously were helping your daughter.
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A
I know. That was a sweetest.
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B
It was really all hands on deck because we didn't have, like, a night nurse or a nanny or any. Any of that.
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A
You really. I mean, you didn't.
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B
Because we were like, we'll be fine. Like, we'll. We'll be fine. We'll figure it out. But we were not. We were. We didn't have a double mastectomy in planning, you know, in the cards. We didn't account that for little, tiny, little factor into our plans as.
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A
As the calendar flipped to 2025.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, I. What were you imagining going into the new year? Because you were, what, about eight months pregnant when. Yeah, we went into 2025.
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B
Yeah. Or so. Yeah. Yeah. About eight months. Yeah. I, I was, I was like, wow, you know, I'm going to have this baby. And like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was so concerned because I had a lot of, like, swelling. So, like, towards the end, I was like. My thighs were, like, freakishly gigantic. And I was like, I didn't know. I thought I was like. I thought I was just fat. I was like, I'm gonna be fat. I'm never gonna lose all this weight. And I was like, you know, putting oil on. So I didn't get stretch marks. Happy to report, didn't get any stretch marks. Like, that was like, the worst thing I could imagine was, like, that I would get stretch marks. And it's like, I don't have, like, if I ever get them, I have, like, all these scar. Like, nobody. Like, I have so many scars now between the bag and that. It's like, whatever. I'm just. I'm just a scar lady.
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A
But the shit bag was good preparation, wasn't it?
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B
Yes. Well, that's the thing is, like. Cause I had the bag. Like, the recovery from the SEC to me was, like, a lot easier because I was like, I could still. And honestly, like, the postpartum poop, that is, like, you know, scary, like, was less scary when you've already, like, you know, pooped out your stomach. Sorry. Is this disgusting? I imagine living it if you read your book. Yeah, but. But yeah, like, I was like, oh, and, you know, I'm gonna spend all this time just, like, with my husband at home with our new little Baby and just, like, focus on that. Maybe, like, I'll get a little bit of stuff done. And I was so excited. I was so excited to breastfeed. I was, like, so into that. I also was, like, planning to give birth without an epidural, and then I ended up needing one because I needed to relax my pelvis because he was facing the wrong way.
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A
They also wanted to give you a C section.
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B
They did, and they did. And I made it to 7 centimeters without an epidural. And I wanted to go the whole way, but, like, if there was no way.
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A
The way he was, the way he.
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B
Was positioned, if I didn't have an epidural, then, like, he definitely would have been a C section because he was sunny side up. And they were really pressuring me to get a C section. They were telling me I needed one. And I was like. Like, you don't get. You don't get it. Like, I have to have a double mastectomy, so I can't recover from all this. Like, I need to push this baby out. And I did, but it was very difficult. And I, like, busted a blood vessel in my eye, and I couldn't move my arm for, like, a while because I was, like, pulling.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But, yeah, nothing basically all this to say literally nothing went according to plan. Literally nothing went according to plan.
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A
So what is that? What is the lesson that you take from that for, you know, this next phase of your life? And what can you tell people who are hell bent on making things go according to their plan and how they want their life to go?
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B
I think that it can really hurt you. I think it can really. You know, there's a such thing as being too prepared, because then you get married to that preparation, and you can't appreciate it for how the situation actually unfolds. Like, I should have been proud of myself for the birth that I had, but I was like, man, I was so weak. Cause I used the epidural. Even though, like, I literally had to have an epidural and I did a low dose of it, still actually able to feel some feel stuff, but. And also, like, there's literally nothing wrong with using an epidural. I would.
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A
Especially when it helps your baby come out safely and even if it doesn't even.
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B
You just want one. Like, I was like, a freak for not wanting one. Like, there's nothing. I would literally. The way that I would verbally assault a person who ever suggested there was anything wrong with any woman who ever chose to use an epidural, but yet I Was, like, judging myself for it. And that's because I was. I had this vision in my head of how it was supposed to. Supposed to be. And the way this idea of what things are supposed to be. They can really harm you. They can really harm you because, man, there's really no such thing. When people would say to me, like, man, I can't imagine. Like, I can't imagine being diagnosed with cancer and then having, you know, going to labor that night and having your baby and having the kid. And I'm like, well, guess what? Neither could I. I couldn't have imagined this either. But that didn't. That didn't mean. That. That didn't help me. That didn't stop it from happening to me. Literally anything can happen to you at any time. So scary. But it's also so unbelievable and so exciting because so many amazing things have happened in my life, too. I mean, like, even me sitting here, like, how. How have I made it from Boston Market to this? I don't know, because. Right.
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A
And. And I don't even think you realized your strength until you went through this. Both of our husbands are my. He's not, you know.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But are Army Rangers.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so. And my legal domestic partner always tells me, like, you have no idea what your body is capable of.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It is capable of so much more than you realize.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you realize that this year, and, you know, just standing back in awe. As your friend, like, the amount of inner strength you have is immeasurable. Like, I am. I'm truly in awe of you. But also your humor and the way you connect with people around you, the way you connect with your baby. He is so lucky.
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B
He's the best.
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A
And I know that he will realize that when he's older, but he loves you so much. Like, the way he looks at you and poses, and he's so sweet and funny, and he truly is such a blessing. And in that regard, for what you have been through, for you to be where you are right now, it is. It is beyond inspiring and satisfying, and I wish you many years of, like, tranquility because you deserve it.
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B
I know. I feel like maybe hopefully next. Like, next year could be, like, a little more chill.
- [22:48]
A
Come on, man.
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B
But, yeah, it's like, I'm already feeling like. Because my hormones are already being like, all right, you should have another baby. You looked really cute pregnant. But Cam was like. Cam's like, are you insane? Because, honestly, to be honest, if I got pregnant within, like, the next year, I probably would end up in an institution like that would be. I need a break. I need a year where, like, there's nothing happening. So, like, I'm going to be waiting. But like, you know, give your husband.
- [23:13]
A
One solid bikini season.
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B
He needs a year where nothing, like drastic's happening to my body.
- [23:20]
A
Yes.
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B
So just like, have you.
- [23:22]
A
I just do appreciate you, like, with your incredible curves and humor and appreciation for life and family.
- [23:32]
B
I love you so much.
- [23:33]
A
I love you too.
- [23:34]
B
And thank you for everything and your whole family. I love your. I love being a part of your family.
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A
Family. I know, it's the best. Like, who would have thought two years ago we were in Africa.
- [23:42]
B
I know the way the things would.
- [23:44]
A
Unfold and sometimes just got to throw yourself into it.
- [23:47]
B
Yeah, absolutely.
- [23:48]
A
Just hang on for dear mercy and you know, and pray for a lovely non alcoholic mocktail to wash the whole thing.
- [23:58]
B
I'm gonna try to drink at a wedding in a couple weeks. I'll let you know how it goes.
- [24:01]
A
All right, very good. When you come back, there's more of these.
- [24:03]
B
Wait, I will.
- [24:04]
A
This has been Kennedy Saves the World along with the incredible cat Tim. I'm Kevin. Listen ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcasts and Amazon Prime. Members can listen to this show ad free on the Amazon music app. Oh, go ahead and leave me a review while you're there. I'd love to hear what you have to say. You've been listening to Kennedy Saves the World on the Fox News podcast network.