Michael Malice Deconstructs Modern Politics

Summary

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Kennedy Saves the World: Michael Malice Deconstructs Modern Politics

Date: October 23, 2025
Host: Kennedy
Guest: Michael Malice, Author and Host of "You're Welcome" Podcast

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Episode Overview

In this lively and incisive episode, Kennedy welcomes her longtime friend and provocateur Michael Malice for a freewheeling conversation that zigzags from North Korea and American freedoms to the dysfunction of modern political parties and public figures. Together, they deconstruct the absurdities of contemporary politics with humor, skepticism, and trenchant personal observations. Malice's anarchist perspective contrasts with Kennedy’s libertarianism, creating a high-energy dialogue about the value of freedom, the fate of big cities, and the perils of governmental solutions that miss the mark.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

North Korea: The Forgotten Crisis

• North Korea as a Genuine Threat?
  • Michael dismisses the narrative that North Korea is an existential threat to the U.S., highlighting the suffering of North Korean people as the real crisis, not external aggression.
  • Quote: “It's insane... Even if you're China... you have all different kinds of terrain, surrounded by oceans, surrounded by friendly nations, both sides the most unpopulous.” (03:00)
• American Misperceptions & Media:
  • The conversation critiques the U.S. media for failing to grasp the human toll of the regime, instead focusing on saber-rattling.
  • Malice stresses American privilege regarding free speech and civil liberties, imploring gratitude for freedoms taken for granted.
  • Quote: “I really hate how insular a lot of Americans are, and I think people should be more grateful... realize no one else has this.” (06:44)
• Reckless Activism in Authoritarian Regimes:
  • Kennedy recalls how attempts to "help" North Koreans—such as leaving Bibles—can actually endanger local lives, prompting sober reflection on unintended consequences.
  • “If you have contraband... in North Korea... it's as dangerous as it gets.” —Malice (04:39)

Reflections on U.S. Presidents & Political Culture

• Favorite Ex-Presidents:
  • Malice, with tongue-in-cheek, calls Biden his favorite living ex-president for “paying off in dividends” as an easy opponent. (07:39)
  • Discussion on Ulysses S. Grant, with Kennedy defending his character from misconceptions about his drinking, and Malice noting Grant was a “bad president” but an interesting post-president.
• Obama & Post-Presidency Influence:
  • Malice posits that 2024 was a repudiation of “his style of politics,” seeing splits between the Obama, Clinton, and Biden factions within the Democratic Party. (10:26)
  • Kennedy delights in the “dynastic” infighting among Democrats, finding their mutual animosity fascinating (11:02).

The Mental Stability of High-Profile Politicians

• Katie Porter & Public Meltdowns:

  • Ongoing controversy around Rep. Katie Porter serves as a springboard for discussing the prevalence of severe dysfunction and derangement among political figures.
  • Malice draws a line between "crazy" as quirkiness and genuine mental instability that makes some public officials “dangerously, severely mentally ill.” (13:19)
  • Quote: “When we say they're crazy, we don't mean like, 'you're crazy' or 'I'm crazy'... No, this person cannot be allowed to walk the streets.”

• Comparison to Public Figures on "The View" and Beyond:

  • Malice references Rosie O'Donnell as an example of someone masking mental illness in public life, offering a wider critique.

Trump, Consequence, and Political Paradigm Shifts

• Trump’s Transformation:

  • Both agree Trump underwent a shift after his first term, realizing that “these people are playing for keeps.”
  • Malice declares that, for the first time, Democrats “have had consequences for their bull—t” (17:07), referencing judicial and political actions against Trump as payback for past Democratic excesses (notably the Kavanaugh hearings).

• Trump’s Foreign Policy Achievements:

  • They credit Trump for his unconventional approach to the Middle East and the Abraham Accords, marveling at the political press’s reluctance to acknowledge his breakthroughs.
  • Quote (re: the press and Obama): “They would be covered in theoretical ejaculate.” —Kennedy (24:26)
  • Malice points out that Trump approached global deals with the acumen of a New York real estate developer, breaking with Washington groupthink. (25:09)

The Future of the GOP Without Trump

• Post-Trump Republican Party:
  • Malice speculates the GOP will “be in very bad shape after him, because he’s the glue.” (26:16)
  • Kennedy offers a vivid analogy, likening post-Trump GOP disarray to her daughter’s room soon after it's been cleaned—chaotic with no “abstraction and vision.” (26:26)
  • They discuss J.D. Vance—seeing him as a “hockey goon” more than a visionary—and express skepticism about the staying power of similar populists.

Anarchism & Modern Political Labels

• Malice’s Political Identity:
  • Clarifies he is not an “anarcho-capitalist” but a broader anarchist, appreciating aspects of anarcho-communist thought and skeptical of “capitalism” as a coherent term. (28:00)
  • Finds limited camaraderie with Antifa members due to their willingness for direct action against government injustice, but diverges sharply on definitions of “fascism” and targets.
  • Quote: “If you have a government that is doing evil things, it is appropriate and very American to take up arms and use force and direct action to fight back against them.” (28:27)

Progressive Urban Policy and Its Pitfalls

• NYC Politics, Bodegas, and ‘Spirals’ of Poverty:
  • Kennedy relays South Bronx residents’ skepticism at $60M proposals for government-run grocery stores when “we have grocery stores, look around.” (29:28)
  • Malice lambastes figures like Mamdani and progressive DAs for fostering lawlessness—calling them “extremely dangerous” and “sociopaths.” (30:11, 31:02)
  • Predicts business flight and “poverty spirals” in NYC if anti-business/pro-criminal policies persist, noting migration trends to places like Austin and Miami (32:29).

Crime, Public Safety, and the Plight of the Cities

• Impact of Decriminalization:
  • Both bemoan the reluctance of bystanders to intervene against public disorder after high-profile prosecutions like Daniel Penny’s, fearing legal and financial ruin.
  • Quote: “I would always sit next to a big guy, and... after Daniel Penny, it’s like that guy’s not gonna defend me... That guy’s not gonna get up and put someone in a chokehold.” — Kennedy (33:06)
• The Poor Always Suffer Most:
  • Kennedy and Malice agree soft-on-crime policies endanger and impoverish low-income residents most, not the well-off promulgators of such policies. (33:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[Americans] really think free speech is like a given everywhere on earth. It's not. It's here. This is the list.” —Michael Malice (06:07)
• “I want him [Biden] to be the nominee. Talk about paying off in dividends.” —Michael Malice (07:39)
• “I think he's very, very smart, and he knows he's smart. And Adlai Stevenson showed us that Americans don't like people who know they're smart.” —Michael Malice, on J.D. Vance (27:27)
• “If Obama had achieved this... they would be covered in theoretical ejaculate.” —Kennedy (24:26)
• “If you have a government that is doing evil things, it is appropriate and very American to take up arms and use force and direct action to fight back against them.” —Michael Malice (28:27)
• “Every time I come back [to New York], another store that I liked is gone. And when I’m on the subway, I forgot how I accepted this as normal.” —Michael Malice (32:40)
• “Are you gonna vote?” “I don’t vote here. I vote in California.” —Kennedy (34:34)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:51: Michael Malice’s introduction and North Korea context
• 01:54: Discussing the real threat of North Korea and neglect of the people suffering there
• 04:39: The dangers of cultural activism in authoritarian countries
• 06:00: On American privilege and global scarcity of free speech
• 10:26: Obama’s legacy and intra-Democratic Party conflict
• 13:19: On genuinely disturbed politicians and public figures
• 17:07: The rise of Trump: “consequences for Democrats”
• 18:38: Trump post-assassination attempt and newfound grit
• 24:26: Hypothetical media reaction if Obama had achieved Middle East peace deal
• 26:16: Prediction that the GOP will unravel post-Trump
• 28:00: Malice’s political identity—anarchism
• 29:28: Reaction of South Bronx residents to progressive grocery proposals
• 32:29: The accelerating exodus from blue cities like NY and CA
• 33:06: The impact of soft-on-crime policies on public safety

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Tone & Approach

• Language: Irreverent, candid, and witty; both hosts spar with playful insults, deep historical references, and sharp contemporary barbs.
• Vibe: Rapid-fire, skeptical, and politically heterodox; they blend gallows humor and passionate advocacy for individual freedom.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode offers a fast-paced, entertaining, and frequently biting examination of American political dysfunction as seen through the lens of freedom, personal responsibility, and governmental overreach. Malice and Kennedy exchange sharp asides on the phony narratives of threat (North Korea), the self-interest and neuroses of public figures, the legacy of Trump, the decline of blue cities, and the false dawns of progressive fixes. Their conversation is both a warning and a celebration of free thought—a must-listen for anyone fascinated by the chaos and comedy of politics today.

Transcript

[Michael Malice]

Foreign.

[Kennedy]

Hello and welcome to this episode of Kennedy Saves the World. One of my very favorite people on the planet of Earth is here. I first met him in 2013 when he was a guest on the Independence, which was a show I co hosted on Fox Business. We had him on because he is still to this day the only person I know who has been to North Korea more than once. And he actually. No. Just wants. Just that's.

[Michael Malice]

Didn't Moynihan go?

[Kennedy]

Moynihan went. He did.

[Michael Malice]

I think so.

[Kennedy]

He's dead to me.

[Michael Malice]

He's dead to me, too. You and your tds.

[Kennedy]

No, I don't know if he went. You're the only person that I've talked to at length about. Michael Malice is here.

[Michael Malice]

Hi, everybody.

[Kennedy]

He is the host of the you're welcome podcast. And you. So that was. We had you on the Independence because you had been to North Korea at a time when people were very worried that North Korea was going to turn into an explosive nuclear state and attack US and Japan.

[Michael Malice]

South Korea.

[Kennedy]

South Korea, yes. And you were the only person who had, like, intel and insight. Yeah. And you were such a charming, hysterical person. I was like, we have to have him on all the time.

[Michael Malice]

Well, I mean, in all fairness, this is me versus Matt Walsh. So of was charming and hilarious.

[Kennedy]

Not Matt Walsh, Matt Welch.

[Michael Malice]

I stand by my statement. I'm far more charismatic than Matt Walsh. Also.

[Kennedy]

Well, yeah, I mean, a pastrami sandwich, as you said, also.

[Michael Malice]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

So now here we are.

[Michael Malice]

Here we are.

[Kennedy]

Face. Is North Korea still part of the conversation? Like, no one seems really scared of North Korea now.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah, they aren't scared. They shouldn't be scared. They should be worried about the people, you know, because that's the big. I was on Fox and Friends and there were. This is years ago during the first Trump administration and there a bunch of American hostages that got released and they were kissing the ground when they got here. And the host, I forgot who it was, said, you know, what's your concern about the future? I'm like, the continued enslavement of North Korean people. And he's like, yeah, okay. So I was very gladdened during the first administration when Trump made it a big priority. And he's like, okay, let's try something different. Instead of saber rattling, let's shake hands, let's try that. And it went to nowhere. And I was very disheartened, as I'm sure you were. And a lot of people watching this were how the media with their tds were like rooting for him to fail.

[Kennedy]

Why? I didn't understand that because it's like, he's not capitulated. And they're like, that's it. He loves dictators. Like, he's owned by dictators. He is a puppet of Russia and North Korea. And it's like, no, maybe we need to try a different tack here.

[Michael Malice]

Right?

[Kennedy]

Like, maybe we have not had the right approach since, you know, when Obama left office, he told Trump that North Korea was the biggest threat, that North Korea was an existential threat to the.

[Michael Malice]

United States, which is demonstrably false. And it's insane. There's videos on YouTube where North Korean ex military are breaking down how it would be impossible. When they left and they defected South Korea, they're like, okay, let's do the math to invade the U.S. even if you're China, which has a billion people, nukes, it's like you have all different kinds of terrain, surrounded by oceans, surrounded by friendly nations, both sides the most unpopulous.

[Kennedy]

I mean, that, to me, seems like the biggest deterrent for an invasion.

[Michael Malice]

So it's just crazy, this idea that North Korea couldn't even reach us before. So it's maybe Alaska, but I mean, not disrespect Alaska, but it's not an existential threat to the United States. So it's. Yeah. So it's just sad that nothing came of it and everyone kind of forgot about it, because every single person I met when I was there is still there. They're still trapped there. Their kids are there. They're growing up in this prison, and they know it's a prison, and it's. You know, they recently used to have a border. There's a border between China and North Korea. People would cross the river and defect into China and hope they wouldn't get caught and sent back. But now they put electrified fencing there so the people don't have electricity for their homes, but you have it to keep them enslaved.

[Kennedy]

Enslaved, yes.

[Michael Malice]

So it's really unfortunate.

[Kennedy]

I remember you brought up a really important point, which was, you know, people go over to North Korea and they think they're being clever and they leave Bibles in hotel rooms. And, you know, it's not. Have you heard the good news? It's not like someone's gonna read that and be like, holy, who's this Jesus I'm finally reading about? Because the person who finds it will most likely be sent to a concentration.

[Michael Malice]

Camp and their family. Yeah. So if you have contraband. Right. In North Korea and anything that's against the kind of state this is as dangerous as it gets. Like, it's just like kind of in America, it's like, if you're gonna harm a civ, you know, that's one thing. But if you're harming the government, they're really like the irs, you know, who would you rather cross? You know, a rich person on the street or an IRS official? It's pretty kind of obvious. So they take it very seriously there. And I think, was it Kenneth Bay? I don't remember the guy's name. He left a Bible there, and he was taken hostage. And it's like that woman who found it, you know, she must have been living in terror because it's like, what do I do now? Because she's being watched. If she leaves it, the other, you know, maid is going to find it.

[Kennedy]

You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. And nothing good comes of it.

[Michael Malice]

Nothing good comes of it.

[Kennedy]

Right. People that don't have that kind of consideration, you know, it's like people live in these selfish kind of bubbles, and they're like, whoa.

[Michael Malice]

It was. What's her name?

[Kennedy]

Lisa Ling's sister.

[Michael Malice]

Right, thank you. Lisa Ling's sister was there interviewing people on camera, and she was. Asked them to criticize the leader, and they pretended they didn't understand her. And her commentary is like, oh, look at them pretending not to understand. What do you want them to say? So if they say, he's perfect, it looks like they're making North Korea a joke. So they're in trouble. And if you say, you know, you criticize him, well, now you're in real trouble. They have no good answer. So it's putting. I think Americans are so. I'm gonna use this word advisably privileged, that they really think free speech is, like, a given everywhere on earth. It's not. It's here. This is the list. You don't have it in Canada, you don't have it in the uk. You're not having North Korea. You can't just sit there. Reagan used to. Jo. I wrote about this in my book the White Pill. Reagan used to joke with Gorbachev that there was an American and Russian, and they were having a big argument, and the Americans said, america's great. I can go to the White House and bang the President's desk and say, I think President Reagan's doing a terrible job. And the Russian says, I can do that. And American goes, I can. He goes, yes. I go to the Kremlin banging Gorbachev's desk. And say, I think Reagan's doing a terrible job. So that was the. Gorbachev laughed, but this is it. We're the list. So I really hate how insular a lot of Americans are, and I think people should be more grateful. You know, your family's Romanian. I was born in the Soviet Union. People should be more grateful for the freedoms that they have. Not that they have it, but realize no one else has this.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. And we're not far removed from, you know, torture and, you know, serfdom. Yes. And, you know, no ownership of private property, no civil rights, no civil liberties.

[Michael Malice]

Like, what percent of Democrats said that if you don't get a vaccine, your kids should be taken from you. Was it 40%? God, 60 was some crazy number.

[Kennedy]

Jimmy Kimmel joking that people who didn't get the vaccine can go home and die.

[Michael Malice]

Right.

[Kennedy]

So, yeah, that mentality. It's not that far away. Who is your favorite ex president?

[Michael Malice]

Living or ever?

[Kennedy]

Doesn't matter. Both living and ever. It's not the same person.

[Michael Malice]

Living is a list. Right. Well, it's got to be Biden. I donated money to him to get the nomination. The best return. I want him to be the nominee. Talk about paying off in dividends. So Biden's clearly my favorite living ex president. How could you not love him?

[Kennedy]

You know, he's.

[Michael Malice]

He's about to announce that he's going to run for president against Trump in 2012. Yeah. He's clearly the one.

[Kennedy]

So is he. Is he a gift in the way that Ruth Bader Ginsburg was?

[Michael Malice]

You know, if they had put up, like, Klobuchar. Right. I don't know that Trump would have beaten her in 2024 because Kamala won by two points. Right. So Klobuchar is like. I think it's easy to say, is 1% better than Kamala or 2, and it would be a lot tougher. He's a. I don't. Well, he's delivering gifts in his pants all the time. I think that that's fair to say. My favorite ex president who's dead. Is it Coolidge? It might be Coolidge.

[Kennedy]

Oh, I love Silent Cow. I love him. I love Ulysses S. Grant, though, because he's a drunk. He's not a drunk. That's the thing. Like, so Ron Chernow wrote a book about Ulysses S. Grant that's like 800 pages. So I read it.

[Michael Malice]

It's called the Big Book.

[Kennedy]

It's just Grant, but I read it. I've reread that book piecemeal probably six times. Like, I became obsessed with Ulysses S. Grant after reading that book. And the case that he makes was he really wasn't a drunkard. Like, the few times that he actually drank and was publicly inebriated, he didn't drink that much. He just couldn't really handle alcohol. But for some reason.

[Michael Malice]

Do you hear what you said?

[Kennedy]

Yes, but. But he didn't drink a lot.

[Michael Malice]

But when he did.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, when he did, he looked hammered.

[Michael Malice]

Okay.

[Kennedy]

And so the idea was that in order to get that hammered for a normal person, he was drinking so much, he must be drinking all the time. Therefore, he couldn't do his job because he was a drunkard when really, like, he spent most of his adult life really, like, temperate, like he did not. Especially when he was with his wife. She didn't like him drinking. Julia, with her little googly eyes, she's like you. Lucy's. Where are you? One of you, come over here. You didn't think you were gonna get Julia Grant humor today, did you? Malice.

[Michael Malice]

You don't know. Yes, I did. In fact, here it is. I wrote it down my phone. I think he was a bad president.

[Kennedy]

Well, he wasn't a great president, especially later in his presidency. His post presidency was very good, arguably better. What has Obama done in his post presidency? At least Jimmy Carter was a horrible president, but then he tried to do good things post presidency, I think.

[Michael Malice]

I think Obama has done a lot post presidency. That's not good. But he certainly had his finger in a lot of pies, wouldn't you say? Yeah, not literally or figuratively. You know what I mean? You never know. No, with him, we know he's not his finger in any pie. We know that for a fact. Okay, that's not even a question. We have the letters. He's. I think I said this on Will Cain's show the other day. I think 2024 was a huge repudiation of his style of politics.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

Like, I think a lot of conservatives think the Democratic Party is a monol. The Hillary wing and the Obama wing are not the same wing.

[Kennedy]

But isn't that what's most wonderful about it? Like, they all hate each other. Right?

[Michael Malice]

The.

[Kennedy]

The Bidens, like the Democrat dynasties despise each other. The Obamas hate the Clintons.

[Michael Malice]

Right.

[Kennedy]

They all hate the Bidens. And then, you know, you have the new Kamala wing, and there's no wing. It's her. She is so.

[Michael Malice]

She's just that turkey special. She. She. There's no wing.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

No, she has no support anywhere. She couldn't even make Iowa, when she ran for president in 2020.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

So she's no wing at all. If she had a wing, she'd be running for governor of California. I think she'd be doa.

[Kennedy]

Okay, what do you think about that? Because she said, and if you really are a public servant, and if you love where you're from and you want to make it the best place.

[Michael Malice]

She grew up in Canada.

[Kennedy]

I know, but, you know, she's. She's Californian. But she said she didn't want to run because the system is broken. So if the system is broken, the system's broken.

[Michael Malice]

And that you were the consequence of that broken system.

[Kennedy]

Yes, exactly. I mean, that was broken for you, of the California system as a whole. That's not like, oh, my God, she's such an amazing person.

[Michael Malice]

You know, this is like. It's like when Karen Jean Pierre said she left the Democratic Party, this hacker book. And it's like, name one issue that you disagree with the Democratic Party on. Just one.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

And there's none.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

So are you loving this Katie Porter stuff as much as I have?

[Kennedy]

I love her so much. Like, I am dying for the next few videos to drop. Like, is she rich? Is she paying people off right now? Like, angry. She knows who the angry staffers are because she's probably the most vindictive of anyone in her orbit.

[Michael Malice]

I disagree.

[Kennedy]

Really?

[Michael Malice]

When you're that angry all the time, you think it's normal. And you don't realize which bridge you're burning because you think you don't even recognize anybody else because they're all beneath you. Wow. You've been around people like this.

[Kennedy]

Awful.

[Michael Malice]

I know. She's a horrible. What about the stuff with her husband? Ex boyfriend.

[Kennedy]

Remember the husband where she put the mashed potatoes on his head and burned his scalp?

[Michael Malice]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

That's awful. I mean, that's. She's not only an unwell unhinged person, she's also a domestic abuser.

[Michael Malice]

Right.

[Kennedy]

So, like, she's a girthy woman if he's a little guy like that.

[Michael Malice]

So I'm going with either Haiti Porter or Katie Porter. I don't know which one I like more at the moment. But the point.

[Kennedy]

Why not Haiti Porker?

[Michael Malice]

Yeah. Well, let me confuse people. The thing with her is I. You.

[Kennedy]

I love that you considered that one.

[Michael Malice]

I thought I wrote down. The thing that you and I know, and I think people notice might not, is that a lot of these people, when we say they're crazy, we don't mean, like, you're crazy. Or I'm crazy. It's like, oh, you know, we have wacky. Right, etc. No, this person cannot be allowed to walk the streets. They're dangerously, severely mentally ill. Klobuchar's another one like that.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, but exactly. Somehow she sort of rehabbed her image from the Comb as Fork episode.

[Michael Malice]

That's the least of it.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, but the thing about Katie Porter is they hated her so much, they would put her in these situations. So there would be video evidence.

[Michael Malice]

I don't. Well, no, no, no, I don't.

[Kennedy]

So, you know, there are more videos.

[Michael Malice]

Oh, there are.

[Kennedy]

Yes. That's what I'm waiting for.

[Michael Malice]

That thing with that. Let's break down that zoom call. So she's with Jennifer Granholm. I believe on that call, it's not live. So if it's live, I could wrap my head around, like. And also I could wrap my head around the fourth time you escalate to yelling in the F word. The first time's like, hey, you're in my shot. Be careful. But the fact that she goes straight to that rage.

[Kennedy]

That's what she started at. Yeah, right.

[Michael Malice]

And then she switches back to, hey, this will save money on your electric car. It's like, this person is. And the fact that Jennifer Granholm wasn't, like, she doesn't even flinch.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. Are you okay? It makes you wonder, like, what kind of family dynamic did she have growing up?

[Michael Malice]

So it's. I think there's a lot more of this stuff behind the scenes than people realize. I read the book about the View, an oral history of the View, and everyone talked. And I remember, forget the guy's name. He's executive producer, co founder. There's a big shot in the View, and he goes, what people don't understand is Rosie o' Donnell is someone who's severely mentally ill, who knows how to pass as a normal person. And if you look at her backstory, with her awful upbringing, which I would love to.

[Kennedy]

When her mom died at a young age. Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

I think her stuff. And I forget who it was. Someone pointed out she doesn't even know how to smile. If you look at any photo of Rosie o', Donnell, she's grimacing.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

She's like, yeah, she's not a.

[Kennedy]

Well, it's this weird thing where she has to tell herself, like, smile.

[Michael Malice]

And then she goes, yeah, she's not a well person. So I think people don't realize how many of these people behind the scenes are, like, crazy.

[Kennedy]

Did I tell you I saw Rosie a few years ago? At Vaughn's.

[Michael Malice]

Rosie o'. Donnell.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. And she was like, hey, I'm thinking about becoming a libertarian. Yeah. I saw you on Stossel. I love Stossel. Thinking about getting a gun. And I'm like, please don't. I don't trust you with a firearm.

[Michael Malice]

Oh, my God.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. She's like, yeah, gonna do it. Big fan.

[Michael Malice]

Are you sure it was Rosie, Donald, Burgess Meredith? Because it sounds like Burgess Meredith.

[Kennedy]

I wish I was friends with Burgess Meredith, God rest his soul.

[Michael Malice]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

God, that would have been amazing.

[Michael Malice]

And in Rosie's defense, if my bully became president, I think I'd lose my mind, too. It's not gonna break with reality, but. Yeah. So, you know, it's an interesting counterpoint to that. Let's play devil's advocate. I watched. I'm sure you did. Also. What's the Kevin Spacey show where he becomes. Where he's the Machiavellian politician?

[Kennedy]

House of Cards.

[Michael Malice]

House of Cards. And at one point.

[Kennedy]

I did not watch it.

[Michael Malice]

Okay. Spoiler. I'm gonna spoil it. At one point, this evil, like, he kills people early on. At one point, he becomes president. Right. And then as president, this sociopath basically governs like a moderate Democrat.

[Kennedy]

Oh, so it's based on the Clinton.

[Michael Malice]

Right. But it also shows that even if you're pure evil, if you're in the White House, the system itself kind of mitigates that.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

Unless you're just gonna launch wars preemptively, which presidents do anyway, you're not really in a position to do anything about it.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

So is. You're like, oh, that's the worst thing. That he's a moderate Democrat. Okay.

[Kennedy]

Are you a Trump fan?

[Michael Malice]

Oh, yeah.

[Kennedy]

Really? Did you vote for him?

[Michael Malice]

I don't believe in voting. No. No.

[Kennedy]

Good for you.

[Michael Malice]

Yes. Thank you.

[Kennedy]

But when you see him, are you entertained because you love chaos, or you agree with his idea and his philosophies and the Trump Doctrine, however that is defined?

[Michael Malice]

I agree. And I'm positive you agree. This is the first time in our lifetime that. Can I curse?

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

That Democrats have had consequences for their bull. So everyone listening to this remembers Kavanaugh and all these Democrat senators had no shame in putting him up as a drunken gang rapist. This guy who was a choir boy, and they had no consequences for this. And you know what? If I did that, why wouldn't I do it again? Right. Why wouldn't I try to arrest my political opponents? Why wouldn't I do all these things?

[Kennedy]

Whatever works. Obviously, in politics, you're going to replicate it, because the system is so big and so powerful that you will do whatever it takes to gain control of it.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah. So the fact that he's this. I made this joke that whenever that, like in the cartoons, when you. A coconut hits your head, you become a different person. That when they got shot, that must have been some on switch, because this is a different person than the first term. He understands the game. He understands these people aren't messing around. I think when he came into the White House the first time. He's a New Yorker. He's a ball buster. He thought, all right, I called Pelosi at old witch. She makes fun of my hair. That's fine. We cut deal behind closed doors. And then we saw it didn't happen. I think that was a little confusing for him. And now he's like, oh, these people playing for keeps. And they're gonna try to take Trump Tower away from me. They're gonna arrest all my friends. They're gonna go through Melania's underwear drawer. It's like, there's no line that they won't cross. They'll make fun of Barron. I got shot, and I got blamed for it. So it's like, you know, screw these people forever, and I'm gonna take whatever steps I can to make sure they're disempowered. For me, we'll do it again. And for that, I applaud him enormously. Consequences. That's the conservative way's consequences. And they never did it.

[Kennedy]

But I do agree with you that he changed. And I think, you know, feeling his own mortality gave him an appreciation for life.

[Michael Malice]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

But also his reaction in that moment changed so many people's lives.

[Michael Malice]

Oh, yes. Zuckerberg among them.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. And Elon Musk, because Elon before that was like, I'm not getting in the race. I'm not giving anyone money.

[Michael Malice]

Speaking of appreciation for life, you're gonna appreciate this as a pro life person. I don't know if you know this. Trump was asked because he was pro choice all his life as a New Yorker, and then he became pro life, and he was asked why. He goes, oh, when Baron was born, like, it kind of chasing. It's like you had four other kids.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. Not Tiffany.

[Michael Malice]

That's it. Not Don Jr. Not the kid who's named after. He's like, kill him. Who cares? We'll make another one. It's like, oh, oh, oh. It's wrong to kill your kid. Fifth time's the charm. If it's only five. Assuming that we know of. It's just a mate with his fake face. You know, Eric's at home being like, oh, come on, man. Marla's not that bad. It was amazing. I love Marla. I know, but why don't you love your kid from her? Eric.

[Kennedy]

Was Eric. Marla wasn't Tiffany. Marla.

[Michael Malice]

I thought Eric was Marla. Eric. And I know Tiffany is. Yeah, I thought Eric was also.

[Kennedy]

Oh, I thought.

[Michael Malice]

I thought I could be wrong.

[Kennedy]

He was.

[Michael Malice]

Double check it. Double check it. Obviously, Don Jr. And Ivanka. Ivana are. Ivanka are from Ivana.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

I could be wrong.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

Because Eric has that goofy look like Tiffany does.

[Kennedy]

He's. He's a national gem.

[Michael Malice]

He's a national kind of gem. Kind of je. He's not a diamond. We can know that. We know that. Maybe some kind of, I don't know, Topaz.

[Kennedy]

Amethyst.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah. Geode. I think we're thinking geode level here.

[Kennedy]

He's a rose quartz.

[Michael Malice]

Yes. Yes.

[Kennedy]

And that's something.

[Michael Malice]

That is something.

[Kennedy]

Don't go anywhere more. Kennedy Saves the World. Right after this.

[Michael Malice]

It's Will Tane Country. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through [e-mail] or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. Aren't you a fan of his approach?

[Kennedy]

Yes, because he. I don't agree with everything he does. Like, you know, a lot of the populism and government taking control of certain entities and sectors. Like, I don't necessarily agree with that, but I'm not the kind of person who's like, well, I'm just gonna hate everything because I disagree with this one thing.

[Michael Malice]

I also think he appreciates the power of the presidency. He thinks this is a blessing and a gift. And he's correct. And the fact that he really is like, I'm gonna use the power I have to try to bring peace around the world. This is like the holiday.

[Kennedy]

Why isn't he given more credit for that? I mean, he really, you know, why? He really, truly is trying to end these crises.

[Michael Malice]

When Hillary Clinton wrote a book, whatever, a couple last couple years, about, like, powerful women, they asked her why Thatcher wasn't in this book, the longest serving British prime minister of the 20th century. She saved Britain from some perspectives. And she goes, oh. Cause she didn't do, like, enough or anything for women. It's like, what are you talking about? You're like, shameless yeah.

[Kennedy]

What was the mortality rate before she was Prime Minister?

[Michael Malice]

A million things. They didn't have electricity. So the fact that people are more concerned about their status than about. But I don't know if you saw this. Hillary gave him kudos for the Middle East.

[Kennedy]

Yes, she did. She had to.

[Michael Malice]

I don't know.

[Kennedy]

She didn't. Anyone who's had proximity, really, Blinken said.

[Michael Malice]

Why are you thanking Biden? And then he goes, what took them so long for this peace deal?

[Kennedy]

Yes. Because that is his ego. You know, that's his ego because he's never going to be on the short list of great Secretaries of State. Absolutely not. And that's his ego because he is trying to defend the indefensible. Because if you give Trump the credit, in his mind, it is a zero sum enterprise where only one person gets the credit. That means everyone else is denied it. But I didn't see them bringing Netanyahu and Hamas to the table.

[Michael Malice]

I went back recently because Trump was debating then Senator Rubio in February 2016, and Rubio is saying, you can't cut a deal in the Middle East. And Trump says, he's like, you can't negotiate with terrorists. He goes, Trump's like, that's not how you get peace. He's like, I'll sit down with people, I'll work something out. And he goes, I admit it, this would be the toughest deal of all, that deal. And for even Trump to be like, all right, I'm not promising, because this is ridiculous. Hold on. For him to deliver is just close to a miracle. And people should have tears in their eyes that this happened. None of us saw this coming. The fact that these hostages got released, like, in a reason, in reasonable terms of any kind, like, take a breather, give him his kudos for today. You can argue tomorrow for a second.

[Kennedy]

Yes, I'm sure something else will fall apart. I'm sure the price of eggs will go back up. But what I was going to say is that's why the gap term was so important for him. That's why he had four years to think about what he really wanted to do if he got four more years. So it's like, you know, he was close with the Abraham Accords, and I think the Abraham Accords were actually a very, very critical foundation for this because he realized that, you know, he had to have capitalism, but he also had to have actors from Arab states to sign on and participate in everything, because this zero sum, all or nothing, us or them mentality wasn't going to work to bring about that kind of peace.

[Michael Malice]

If we sat down in 2024 before election day and said Trump is going to have even a framework that Hamas and Iran and Saudi Arabia and Egypt and the US And Israel are all going to sign on, it would be like, okay, what are you smoking?

[Kennedy]

Yeah. You're high.

[Michael Malice]

You're high. Yeah. You're obsessed with Trump. You think he's the second coming, and he did it.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

So, like, is this not the biggest foreign policy, like, step forward in that area in, like, 50 years?

[Kennedy]

What would the press have done if Obama had achieved this?

[Michael Malice]

Right, right.

[Kennedy]

They would be covered in theoretical ejaculate.

[Michael Malice]

The literal.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, well, true.

[Michael Malice]

Especially from the wife. Yeah, that's such a good point.

[Kennedy]

Yes. Like, if. If, like, Biden would never have been able to do this. Yes. He would have.

[Michael Malice]

White's people.

[Kennedy]

Okay, yeah. Let's say the committee was. Was able to engineer this and, you know, was able to abstract the various forces that had to be brought together with the promise of some kind.

[Michael Malice]

You know, what Kennedy, they were able to. Trump is not magic. He has the same resources Biden did. So the fact that they didn't think in those terms and they're stuck in their rote ways is one of the big assets for his presidency. That he doesn't come in from, what, 50 years in Washington when Biden came in the 70s. No.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

So, like, he's coming from an outsider's perspective. And that's very useful because when you're doing real estate in New York, you're dealing with wealthy, fireproof people from all over the world, and some of them are ass. And you're like, you know what? I gotta know how to talk to that Arab guy and talk that rich Jewish guy and talk to the power gays and all these other people and cut a deal with them all.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, but sales and negotiation are so important in life.

[Michael Malice]

Yes, of course.

[Kennedy]

And in politics. But, you know, we. Especially Democrats. But, you know, you could argue the entire system is this way. They're relying solely on polemics.

[Michael Malice]

Can we also talk about how funny it is that he got. Who's the House Minority leader? I'm blanking his name.

[Kennedy]

Hakeem Jeffries.

[Michael Malice]

Hakeem Jeffries. To say calling someone a Mexican is a racist Slurpee.

[Kennedy]

And they put a sombrero on my head.

[Michael Malice]

Whatever he tweets now, I just reply, go back to Mexico in all caps. It's so fun.

[Kennedy]

Why would you get mad about that? Like, that's so much more racist than anything.

[Michael Malice]

It is so dumb. Like, this is what's upsetting you.

[Kennedy]

Yes, but that's why, you know, his reelection and the success allows for the trolling.

[Michael Malice]

I think the Republican Party. Hear me out. I want to hear your opinion very much. I think they're going to be in very bad shape after him, because I think he's the glue.

[Kennedy]

No one. So it's like.

[Michael Malice]

Do you agree?

[Kennedy]

Yes. It's like assuming that my daughter's room is going to look like it does 20 minutes after the housekeeper leaves for the next two weeks.

[Michael Malice]

Thank you.

[Kennedy]

It's not going to happen. Like, the second she gets in there, she's going to be ripping things out of the drawers and dumping over the laundry basket. And it's the same thing with the Republican Party. They don't have the abstraction and the vision. And Trump has been thinking about this. Not to get elected, but this is how the world needs to be. I don't see Bernie Sanders is like that. Like, AOC is like that. They're wrong, the conclusions are wrong. But, you know, it's like the mechanism is basically the same. I don't see. Like, I think J.D. vance is a great hockey goon. I think that he is so good at playing offense. Like, I love when Trump's talking, he's staring at people like, you.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

Kick your ass. Take you out of here. I'm going to punch you in the. Like. That's what J.D. vance is good at. But his brand of populism is not economically viable.

[Michael Malice]

It's. I don't think. It's only that. I think he's very, very smart, and he knows he's smart. And Adlai Stevenson showed us that Americans don't like people who know that they're smart. Ted Cruz is another one of these people who's, like, too smart for their own good.

[Kennedy]

And I think same with Josh Holly.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah, it's very. Karen doesn't like that. And Karen's a swing vote. And I think he's terminally online, and he thinks Twitter's real life, and he's tap dancing with some very nefarious forces in the Republican Party, and the Democrats are going to throw that in his face, and then you're going to have this kind of infighting, purity spiral thing.

[Kennedy]

How do you define yourself politically?

[Michael Malice]

Anarchism.

[Kennedy]

Okay. Are you still an anarcho capitalist?

[Michael Malice]

I've never been an anarcho capitalist. Always been an anarchist.

[Kennedy]

Okay. What's the difference?

[Michael Malice]

I think a lot of the early anarcho Communists had things right. So I like all the colors of the black flag.

[Kennedy]

Okay? And so for.

[Michael Malice]

And I don't think capitalism is a defensible term.

[Kennedy]

Okay? So for. For people who consider themselves to be antifascist, like antifa members, you know, they say that they're anarchists. Do you identify with them on some level?

[Michael Malice]

On some level, yes. Because I do agree with them, broadly speaking. Everyone, calm down, calm down, calm down. That if you have a government that is doing evil things, it is appropriate and very American to take up arms and use force and direct action to fight back against them. Now, their vision of what fascism is is like Kellyanne Conway. So we very much diverge between our definition of what fascism is and what evil is. But the fact that they are not waiting for the government to take care of problems is something that I agree with them on.

[Kennedy]

Okay. I was in the South Bronx the other day talking with people about Mamdani's grocery store plan.

[Michael Malice]

Oh, my God.

[Kennedy]

And I'll tell you what, they didn't like it.

[Michael Malice]

Really?

[Kennedy]

No, they did not like it, by and large. There were a couple people are like, yeah, I'll probably vote for them, you know, because they're like, sure, but I'm not gonna screw it up any more than anyone else. Like, government has utterly failed most of the people who live there. But they were like $60 million on government run grocery stores. They're like, we have grocery stores. Look around.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah, bodegas. They're everywhere.

[Kennedy]

They're like, we need people to help with the mentally ill and the mentally ill, drug addicted people who are, you know, turning sidewalks into toilets, like, those are the people who need help and support and resources and money.

[Michael Malice]

But he wants more of that.

[Kennedy]

He won't do that efficiently, though. No, no.

[Michael Malice]

He wants more mentally ill people on the street.

[Kennedy]

Oh, yes, absolutely.

[Michael Malice]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

I mean, that is more of that.

[Kennedy]

That is the natural conclusion of what he's selling.

[Michael Malice]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

It's like, you will absolutely have more of that. You will have fewer people who are violent taken off the streets, and you will have more people who have more access to drugs without any sort of rehabilitation. Like that is. That is the last thing on the list for Do Gooder progressives.

[Michael Malice]

He's not a Do Gooder progressive. He's a socialist. He's way past progressive. I think he's extremely dangerous. I think he has malevolent intentions. I think people like him. He's another Chesa Buddin. Chesa Butin. People don't know. He was the DA in San Francisco. And he basically Is like, okay, a lock. Like, if you're shoplifting and I put you in jail, I'm persecuting you for being poor because you had to have stolen that. Whatever, because you're broke. So what option did you have? That's their logic.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

So therefore it's only a really crime once. It's like $500. And who ends up getting hurt?

[Kennedy]

900.

[Michael Malice]

I was 900.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. It's a misdemeanor until it's 900.

[Michael Malice]

Okay. I guess I'm a moderate here. How foolish of me.

[Kennedy]

So.

[Michael Malice]

But that's their mentality. And it's.

[Kennedy]

So there's no right or wrong. Like, you cannot do wrong.

[Michael Malice]

Yes, you can.

[Kennedy]

Unless you are defending yourself.

[Michael Malice]

Right. Or hurting a poor person who does anything.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

So it's. Talk about rich people can get away with a lot in America, but poor people under these systems are the most privileged because there's literally nothing they can't do that you'll prosecute them for. It's terrifying. And, you know, Bill de Blasio has nothing in this guy.

[Kennedy]

That's what I've been saying. I've been saying de Blasio will look like Rudy Giuliani compared to Zoran Mandani. Yes, yes.

[Michael Malice]

And I talked to my buddy Tom Belew. He used to co founded Quest, and he has a podcast now called Impact Theory, and he's very wealthy. And I go, am I correct that this is going to decimate the business community in New York? He goes, absolutely.

[Kennedy]

Why would you stay?

[Michael Malice]

Why would you? It's already expensive. Now I have an excuse to tell my board, guys, if we move to. I don't care, Milwaukee, Austin, Florida, anywhere, we're going to save half the money in rent. Da, da, da. It's like. And then I look like the big shot, smart CEO. Look how much I say.

[Kennedy]

And you know, our employees will. Will get to pay them less. They can now afford housing on their own. They have public safety. They can start business. They can send their kids to public school.

[Michael Malice]

Everyone wins.

[Kennedy]

Like, yes. Like, they will throw us a parade. And then we save on the corporate taxes. We're going to move to a state with no income tax. Yay, us.

[Michael Malice]

So it's a poverty spiral, but people.

[Kennedy]

Like Elizabeth Warren, the rich are always threatening to leave, and they never do. It's like, look at Columbia. Look at Nordstrom. Not Columbia University, Columbia Sportswear and Portland. You know, Nordstrom leaving Seattle and Portland and San Francisco.

[Michael Malice]

But look at how many people left New York and California moved to Austin, Miami.

[Kennedy]

Yes. I Mean, you live in Austin?

[Michael Malice]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

Like, tell me how many people from different states have relocated there?

[Michael Malice]

I think some are moving back. Whatever. Good riddance to them. But the point is, when I come back to New York, it just gets like. Everything I like is just. Every time I come back here, another store that I liked is gone. And when I'm on the subway, I forgot how I accepted this as normal, because there's this tension because you never know who's gonna pop off. And you also don't know if someone pops off. No one's gonna do anything. Cause they go to jail. You do something.

[Kennedy]

So I used to.

[Michael Malice]

So I started setting women on fire.

[Kennedy]

You can do that now. Yeah. I used to. When there was, like, an unhinged one person screaming and ranting who smelled like. On the subway, I would always sit next to a big guy, and it's like, after Daniel Penny, it's like, that guy's not gonna defend me. He's like, that guy's not gonna get up and put someone in a chokehold.

[Michael Malice]

This isn't what I was like.

[Kennedy]

Absolutely. Do you think I want to go through my life savings defending myself?

[Michael Malice]

This isn't what I meant by alternative nation.

[Kennedy]

No. It's like. And it's going to get so much worse so quickly. And I look around at people.

[Michael Malice]

You know who's gonna hurt the most? The poor.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

They're always the first victims.

[Kennedy]

Yes. And it's like you.

[Michael Malice]

And it's in their name.

[Kennedy]

You think that they're gonna tax rich people and everything's magically gonna go away.

[Michael Malice]

They don't think that. I think he. I don't. He's clearly a sociopath, in my opinion. My friend is like. He knew he was gonna win the primary because just looked at, who's the most narcissistic sociopath. I didn't watch that debate. Was it a complete disaster?

[Kennedy]

I didn't watch it. I was at the Azmut Theater.

[Michael Malice]

Okay. So it's. I don't know. I saw one poll, a Fox poll that he broke 50%. So God help New York.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. But New Yorkers look around like, you think I'm voting for Cuomo. Like, that's, like, what he did.

[Michael Malice]

It's funny. It's like, do you want the guy who's killed people in the past who's gonna kill them in the future? And then there's Curtis Lewa. Poor Curtis Lewa.

[Kennedy]

He's like, this is the most important I've ever had in my Life. I've got 17 cats and a Little red hat.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah, it's sad.

[Kennedy]

He's the Rodney Dangerfield of the race. No respect.

[Michael Malice]

Are you gonna vote?

[Kennedy]

I don't vote here. I vote in California.

[Michael Malice]

Okay. Would you vote. Who would you vote for?

[Kennedy]

Yeah, I always vote. Oh, God.

[Michael Malice]

It'd be Sleewa, right?

[Kennedy]

I hate to say it because I've been saying that he needs to get out of the race, but I would vote for Sleewa because I am a principled voter. You have to get my vote. I don't believe in this. Well, you have to vote so this guy doesn't win. You have to vote Republican. I will never, ever do that. And I do write in. In California. Like Matt Welch, Cat Timf.

[Michael Malice]

Really?

[Kennedy]

You, my friend Brendan, like you've all been nominated to be a judge. Oh, okay.

[Michael Malice]

I think I do a good job. Execute. Everyone now.

[Kennedy]

Overcook the fish. Jail.

[Michael Malice]

Undercook.

[Kennedy]

Straight to jail. Also jail. All right, well, go have a wonderful rest of this month.

[Michael Malice]

You call yourself a libertarian? You're trying to tell me what to do.

[Kennedy]

Get the. You truly are one of my very favorite people ever. I adore you immensely and immeasurably.

[Michael Malice]

Thank you so much. Great to be here finally.

[Kennedy]

You're welcome.

[Michael Malice]

That's my life.

[Kennedy]

This has been Kennedy Saves the World along with Michael Malice. I'm Kennedy Listen ad free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcasts and Amazon prime. Members can listen to this show ad free on the Amazon music app. Oh, go ahead and leave me a review while you're there. I'd love to hear what you have to say. You've been listening to Kennedy Saves the World on the Fox News podcast network.