Big Cat Returns for His Final Appearance on KFC Radio - Full Episode

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Podcast: KFC Radio
Episode: Big Cat Returns for His Final Appearance on KFC Radio
Release Date: December 16, 2025
Hosts: Kevin Clancy (KFC), John Feitelberg (Feitelberg)
Guest: Dan "Big Cat" Katz

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Episode Overview

Big Cat returns to KFC Radio for an emotional, hilarious, and nostalgic episode marking his last-ever appearance. This finale is a fittingly chaotic reunion for the show's original trio, marked by technical issues, construction noise, and classic self-deprecation. The episode serves both as a trip down memory lane through Barstool’s early podcasting days and as a heartfelt farewell to an era, punctuated by legendary listener voicemails, old controversies, silly hypotheticals, and the trio’s trademark blend of absurdity and warmth.

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Major Themes & Discussion Highlights

1. A Fittingly Chaotic Sendoff

• Setting the Scene: The episode opens with all three hosts suffering minor personal calamities—canceled flights, construction noise, someone recording from a nursery—all feeling perfectly on-brand for KFC Radio's low-fi legacy.
  • Quote: "It could not be a more fitting calamity." — KFC [01:40]

2. Reflecting on the Birth and Impact of KFC Radio

• Early Chaos: Building something out of nothing, operating beneath Dave Portnoy's nose, sharing offices, and using GChat and early Slack before it was cool.

• The Original Format: The show’s trajectory was largely shaped by listener voicemails, which veered toward absurd hypotheticals and barstool-style “would you rather” debates.

  • Quote: “We used to be the extremists, and now we're the middle.” — Feitelberg [07:33]

• Barstool's Reluctant Embrace of Podcasting:

  • Dave Portnoy's skepticism is recounted, and Big Cat credits Kevin and John for pushing forward and helping revolutionize how Barstool created content.
  • Notable: The hosts acknowledge the show's pivotal, often overlooked, role in Barstool’s growth from a blog network into a media powerhouse.
  • Quote: “Podcasting was a blind spot for him [Dave], but Kevin was like, 'I want to do this.'” — Big Cat [10:37]

• Nostalgia for the Early Days:

  • Stories of drinking through nerves, hiding from bosses, struggling to make blogging quotas, and feeling isolated but finding kinship with each other ("self-enforced COVID for five years").
  • Quote: "We basically had self-enforced Covid, our own quarantine for like five years." — KFC [17:07]

3. Barstool’s On-Air Culture and Evolution

• Hypotheticals That Aged Badly—and Some That Didn’t:

  • Discussing infamous discussions like “how much money would you need to put a baby in a microwave,” punch-for-punch with Mayweather, outsmarting Christopher Columbus, and more.
  • Quote (about the microwave hypothetical): “Maybe not the smartest thing you said.” — Big Cat [09:22]

• Changing Social Context:

  • The trio reflect on how what once seemed edgy now feels pretty mild amidst today’s online extremes.
  • Quote: “We were the maniacs and we became the middle.” — Feitelberg [07:33]

• Barstool’s Origins and Lore:

  • Many Barstool traditions—notably pizza reviews, playoff beards, and various ongoing bits—were incubated on KFC Radio long before becoming network-wide phenomena.

4. Memorable Stories & Moments

• First Realization of Fandom:

  • Big Cat recalls being recognized for telling a story about drunkenly trying to poop in a trash can, marking the moment “people are really listening.”
  • Quote: “No one was watching—probably the best thing that could have ever happened to us.” — Big Cat [12:27]

• Truly Awful Early Live Shows:

  • Tales of disastrous first live appearances (“worst live shows ever”), cocaine-fueled camaraderie, technical disasters, and feeling both proud and mortified.
  • Quote: “We gave them the worst show of all time.” — Feitelberg [20:02]

• Humble Beginnings:

  • Stories of living in condemned apartments, drinking at Applebee’s all day, and scraping by in the early Barstool days, despite being locally “famous.”
  • Quote: “It sucks being a celebrity and not having any money.” — Feitelberg [55:18]

5. The Growth—And Limits—Of Success

• PMT's Meteoric Rise:

  • PMT’s origins, early successes, legal battles with ESPN, and the importance of fan loyalty over chasing mainstream approval.
  • Quote: “The best thing that could have happened … fans that are listening, that's more than enough.” — Big Cat [75:18]
  • Discussion of longevity: “Do it for five straight years, then talk to me.” — KFC [77:18]

• Balancing Fame, Friendship, and Leadership:

  • Big Cat discusses the loneliness and social awkwardness of being "the boss" at Barstool, missing the freedom of being one of the crew.
  • Quote: “It's way lonelier than I thought.” — Big Cat [67:54]

6. Listener Voicemails and Hypotheticals

• Recurring bit: Answering new and ancient listener questions, from “Could Barstool land on the moon?” (absolutely not) to “Would you read your own life story if you found it as a book?” to optimal snow-shoveling workout regimens.

  • Quote: “If you gave Barstool a rocket ship … we still wouldn't reach the moon.” — Big Cat [42:06]

• Identity-Preserving Debates:

  • The trio closes the circle by earnestly re-engaging in timeless debates: how to pee in jeans, using the fly or not, why toilet streaks increase with age, and the subtle skill of noticing universal quirks for comedic content.
  • Quote: “Fifteen years in, we're still like, do you piss with your dick like this?” — Feitelberg [116:53]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

On the Show’s Legacy and Friendship

• “This show … we don't get to where we are without this show, and what it built.” — Big Cat [125:36]
• “I always will know … we have shared experiences that no one else has. … You guys are … foxhole guys.” — Big Cat [126:27]
• “Your friendship has been enormous for me, and this show has been enormous for me, and I'm going to miss it.” — Big Cat [126:57]
• “As guys, we could go our entire life without saying … thank you so much for inviting me on this podcast back in 2013. … No, let's say it. Say what you mean.” — Big Cat [127:41]

On Early Days and Podcasting

• “The perfect finale for KFC Radio.” — KFC [01:40]
• “I think the reason why this worked is because it wasn't a dream that you fixated on … it just happened.” — KFC [65:12]
• “At that time, I was living in a truly dilapidated apartment … I joined a gym so I could use a shower. I was pretty down in the dumps, boy.” — Feitelberg [52:29]

On Hypotheticals and Absurdity

• “There's a lot of things that as I've gotten older, I've been like, yeah, that was pretty stupid … But I still think I'm smarter than Christopher Columbus. And I do think I could go punch for punch with Floyd Mayweather.” — Big Cat [44:51]
• “If you gave Barstool a rocket ship and a manual… we still wouldn't reach the moon.” — Big Cat [42:06]
• “There's not many things. I'm not a manly man, but snow shoveling I can do.” — Big Cat [95:14]

On Changing and Not Changing

• “It is remarkable that what that little conversation we just had was exactly the same in 2013 … grown up, marriage, divorce, kids, money, … and we're still the same.” — KFC [48:09]

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• Opening: Tech difficulties & show chaos: [01:40]
• The show’s DIY beginnings, GChat gang, hiding from Dave: [03:18 - 05:00]
• Notable early Barstool drama ("who gets the blog?") and tribal stress: [05:24]
• Reflecting on controversial bits and how times have changed: [07:06 - 08:36]
• Big Cat gets sappy about being asked to join: [08:36]
• Podcasting’s impact on Barstool: [10:37]
• First times realizing people actually listened: [12:27]
• Early days: poor, anxious, scrappy: [13:41, 52:29, 55:18]
• The infamously bad first live show: [19:46 - 22:22]
• Formative Barstool moments (pizza reviews, playoff beards): [23:21]
• Impactful interviews and guest handling: [34:44, 35:46, 36:02]
• The PMT rocket and its viral controversies: [28:32]
• How the show changed as the hosts aged & fans aged with them: [47:56, 49:02]
• Emails from Dave & the culture of being “scared” of him: [67:08]
• Listener voicemails: moon landing, snow shoveling, “reading your life story” books: [40:50, 93:36, 82:15]
• Pooping, peeing, and classic TMI hypotheticals: [123:11, 116:07]
• Final heartfelt farewells and legacy talk: [125:07 - END]

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Tone & Noteworthy Moments

• Nostalgic, heartfelt, irreverent: The episode swings between raw honesty (“we all kind of grew up together with our audience”) and classic Barstool crassness (closing with an in-depth debate about how grown men pee in jeans).
• Truly “quintessential bar conversation”: The balance of emotional gratitude and idiotic bickering captures the show’s unique appeal.
• Running Gags: Hypotheticals about violence, bodily functions, and irrational self-confidence return as “bittersweet comfort food.”

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Final Reflections

KFC Radio’s send-off with Big Cat encapsulates why it became an institution for its fans—chaotic, relatable, full of inside jokes, humility, and an undercurrent of genuine affection. The trio’s honesty about their vulnerabilities, victories, and embarrassing missteps proves the enduring value of authenticity and “just guys being guys.” The legacy, as they conclude, is one where fans and hosts alike can look back—at the pizza debates, the infamous “moon landing,” and the moments of crisis and camaraderie—with sincere gratitude.

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“Congrats, boys. Hell of a run. Hell of a legacy.”
— Dan "Big Cat" Katz [130:03]

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For Newcomers

Why Listen:
If you want to understand the birth of the sports/personalities podcasting boom, the unique culture that made Barstool what it is, or just want to hear three guys process what 15 years of public, ridiculous, and deeply personal content feels like—this is required listening. The stories are hilarious, the nostalgia real, and the chemistry unmatched.

Skip to:

• [01:40] Show chaos & setting the scene
• [20:00] Nightmare first live show
• [34:44] Celebrity interviews and handling fame
• [47:56] Growing up with the audience
• [93:36, 116:07] Voicemails and classic hypotheticals
• [125:07] Emotional farewells and legacy statements

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KFC Radio bows out as it began: not-changing, ever-changing, and always taking dumb hypotheticals a little too seriously—for the love of the fans.

Transcript

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

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[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

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[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

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[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

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[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

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[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

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[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

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[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

If I, if I go to a bathroom and there's not a plunger, I don't go. I'm like, there's just, there's, there's a 50% chance we're going to have a problem here.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I can't.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I'm not equipped. Is this Barstool? Barstool sports.com is that right? BarstoolSports.com it's your boy KFC. Kind of a craze become kind of a craze. Your boy Big Cat kind of a craze, kind of a craze. And your boy Fidelberg. So go to Boston sports.com if you do. God bless you.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You listen to KFC radio. All right. It is Big Cat's final appearance on KFC Radio and it could not be a more fitting calamity. Dan's flight canceled because of the weather. Feidelberg's in a burlap sack and I am stuck in a. My house has been under construction for almost two years now. No one has been here working until today. They decide to show up. So if you hear banging and noise, that's it. So the perfect finale for KFC Radio.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, I have the same thing going on construction. So you're probably going to like. I had a moment this morning. First of all, I apologize that I wasn't there in person. It was. I don't. I've never seen a flight just canceled. And no, they don't just give you. They just gave me nothing else. They're like, you have no flight. And we tried. You guys saw the message. I sent it to you. It's like, we tried, but we couldn't find anything. You're shit out of luck.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

What if it was something important? No, but, like, it was a family emergency or something. Like, you're just fucked. You're right.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And then I went on kayak to just look, and I was like, let me check. And it was like, the first one out of Chicago this morning was like, 10:30, 11. That would be whatever. No one wants to hear about flights. But the. It's. It's perfect that we're back on Zoom. And I did have a moment this morning. I'm dealing with the same thing, Kevin, where I have, like, a bunch of construction going on in my house, and I, like, let. I walked out of my shower, and there was just, like, a dude standing in my bedroom. And I was like, oh, hey. And he was just like, hey, here. Here for the. The. The bathroom, like, doing the tile. And I was like, okay, cool. Like, I'm gonna be doing a podcast downstairs, which I haven't said to anyone in a long time. Like, hey, everyone in the house, shut up. Doing a podcast.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I mean, yeah, the. The. Probably the most famous clip of you from this show is chasing after Stella when she ran around in the background. So, like, there was always some sort of chaos or noise, or John was in the office. I'm in, like, Jay's nursery. You're chasing Stella. It was very much of its time where it was, you know, a big deal, but it was clearly just three guys throwing it together, making it happen.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I used to beg Gaz to use his office just so Dave wouldn't hear me doing this podcast.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I never.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I don't think we gave enough credit to John for just, like, trying to exist in our world right underneath Dave's nose, considering he probably hated the subject matter. We used to stress about, like, guests we used to never know, you know? And John was right underneath him the whole time.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like, yeah, guys, I don't know. I think this is kind of funny, but don't tell Dave I said.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Think about the fact that we had a. The G chat gang, which was literally the bare minimum of co workers existing together, because we all blogged in, in our own homes, in our own cities. And with a bare minimum was like, we'd be on G chat being like, so what are you blogging about today? And Dave was like, this is disgusting. You fucking weirdos just fucking liking each other and just doing this shit.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We had an early version of Slack and Dave was like, this is not gonna fly. My.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That's all it was, it was just Slack. That's it, man. Like, I wanna communicate with my coworkers.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And just like, you guys are gay.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

This is so lame.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I can't believe you're doing this. And meanwhile, if you like, we had to communicate because if God forbid, you wrote the same blog as someone else, like you're in fucking Bangkok and you stole a mango. It's fucking crazy.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I think I still have PTSD from that. And I don't even know if it was like definitively from Dave ire or comment section ire or whatever. But like, if I hear a story said once, I'm like, don't ever say that out loud. Don't ever say that out loud again in front of anybody.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Dude.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Remember people? Some people used to get grimy and they would change the publish time by like one minute so yours would be on top on this. I mean, just things that to us, and I'm sure we could go through and there's probably a billion of these things. Things that to us were like absolute life and death. The most important now mean like absolutely nothing to anybody at all. Nothing.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And they're just so funny looking back too because obviously our lives are not lives. And like we've been very blessed. Like just thinking about finding an awesome ass for guess that ass and like, oh, thank God I can eat lunch today. Like I can take like a 20 minute break. I don't have to fucking scroll online for two hours trying to find an ass in the wild.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Or when you find one and you think you have it, but you realize it's actually like two weeks old or someone else already did it. You're like one of my favorite barstool sagas was the, the great GTA debate, remember between Mo and Dave. It was like, who called it first? It was a whole email chain. It was like I emailed at like 10 o' clock because I. Well, I emailed at 9:59, but I did that. It was like the most Dave has ever emailed any of us was to fight over who got this ass.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, yeah. And it's. Those are the moments too where like back, you know, whatever, 1015 years ago when it, when people, the, the barstool haters, I feel like they were. They were more well known. Now it's just like there's a swath of people that hate us, but like, who the cares? But there was like the Dead spins, all that. And they're like, these guys are misogynistic. All they do all day is like, look online to get their dicks hard and look for asses. And I'm just like, yeah, actually you're not that wrong. That's a good portion of my job, I would say.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And this is going to sound crazy because what we did in the past, you know, said a lot of crazy. I think we've kind of aged like fine wine compared to the. That's going on.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Agreed. With like, agreed.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We. We used to be like the, the extremists and now it's like, well, we're not like Nazis and we're not like, you know, like all of that shit was really jokes. And then it became very serious and real for a huge population of men. And I'm like, hey, we're actually not so bad anymore.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

That is true.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We were the maniacs and we became the middle.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean it was like. Because I think it really was like, well, wait a minute. We're just joking. It sounds like you guys are.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

The Dunning Kruger effect or whatever.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It is a sliding window where you just stand in the same place and you're like, I didn't change it around you. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So we were talking a couple weeks ago during this wrap up farewell tour. The, the initial, the first episode, I just opened up the voicemails and let them come in. And by chance all those guys asked dumb hypotheticals and like, would you rathers and who would win in a fight? So that's just kind of the direction the show went. I never really had an opinion of which way it should go. But we were saying how like that kind of resulted in like the, the last type of humor that Dave likes and it kind of, you know, ages poorly because you're like, oh, that's so silly now. Did you ever have a thought about like that in general? That we were just doing like dumb shit and that's where the calls went and that's kind of who we became.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, I. All right, so I, I'll probably get sappy a couple times during this, which. Apologies to everyone but like I was. I remember just being so pumped to be asked by you, Kevin, to do this and know that fights was doing it and I was just like, this is fucking awesome. I don't really know where this is going to go, but I know that I will slowly, hopefully get better being on screen, talking, doing all that stuff. And, like, I just was like, yeah, let's just do whatever. And I don't even think people will sometimes bring up hypotheticals and I'll just have no memory of it whatsoever. And that's probably a good thing because we probably said some shit that, like, the baby in the microwave is something now that I have children. Maybe not the smartest thing you said.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You said. The only question is, how many times can you do?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Was the hypothetical was something like, what you get. You get like $10,000 for every second you put a baby in a microwave. You just keep making money. And I think you had. Had Shay at that point, or you were maybe. I don't remember what the timing was, but I just. Looking back now with kids, I'm like, holy. I did say that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, There. There's a. A lot of. I. At one point, I.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The money must have changed too. The money's changed.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, yeah, definitely.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Things have, like, for $10,000.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Right.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That's what.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Dan.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Dan, you once said, I need 10 grand and you could just exist for. If you said, give me 10,000 bucks and I'll live on an island forever, I was like, I don't think that's enough, man.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I don't know.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But I was like that. I remember Dave. I remember when. I think I was still in high school, I might have been in college, but I remember Dave writing a blog where it was like, I need $2 million. And I'm like, I'm done.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm out of here.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And I was like, I remember at the time I was in, like, high school, and I was going, I don't think that's enough, dude.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Imagine at that point saying, dave, one day that's going to be your unit on a WNBA game.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's crazy. It's crazy. But, yeah, the start of the show, like, I just remember being in. And I can't thank you, Kevin, enough. And I. I like, you know, I think there's a. A history lesson that a lot of stoolies, a lot of the diehard stories, a lot of people listening to this know, like, the importance of KFC radio to, like, barstool's growth and doing podcasts, because we joke about, like, Dave not being into it. Like, he did not. He was like, this is the dumbest thing you guys could ever do. And. And Dave is like, we. We Know him very well. He's a very savvy business person. Like, his instincts are almost always correct with business. This one was a blind spot for him. But Kevin was like, I want to do this. And then when you invited me and like, I, you know, fights was involved, I was just like, this is fucking so much fun. And I don't care what we're talking about. And it's like, yeah, there's a couple podcasts already out there. You know, like, Rogan had his. Simmons had a podcast. But for the most part, there just weren't a lot of people doing it.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And especially not just like that. Like, just right, you know, like Rogan and Simmons, they were just guys being guys, but this was like literally just dudes hanging out, which. Right there yet? Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Right. And it was so, like, thrilling and fun. And I, I remember I was listening to you guys talk about. Because, like, I got a little emotional when you. Obviously, I knew you guys were ending the show, but when you announced it and you did the podcast about it, laughing about the. Putting it up on, doing the old Robert Little where. Where we put the KFC radio widget on the. On the website. And we're like, like 3 billion people listen to KFC RA video this week. We're like, what? Huh? It's just like, that's how new and weird it was. And it was just so much fun. And I remember I tell this story the. It was also like the first. Because just doing it and, and, and having the feeling of no one's watching was probably the best thing that could have ever happened to us. And obviously there were people watching, but it was smaller because it was like, this is new. And parse to was smaller. And being able to take the risk of like, no one's watching this. We can just say whatever we want was awesome because you didn't have that fear in the back of your head. And I talk about it all the time when we have new, like, you know, hires and stuff. They're so scared of, like, what they're gonna say and what's gonna. So. So they're just always playing from behind when it comes to trying to be entertaining. But I remember the first time I was like, oh, fuck, people are listening to this. Remember I told the story about when I got so drunk I tried to shit in a trash can in a bar and I was at my Saturday basketball run. I used to play pick up hoops on Saturday. And a dude we got off the court, the dude just goes, you try to. In a trash can in a bar. And I was like, oh, no one actually did listen to this. And it was like that. It was so crazy. It, like, blew my mind. And then I was like, maybe I should rethink this if I'm gonna tell those type of stories.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Particularly at that time, because, like, social media wasn't really that big. We certainly weren't really doing, like, putting clips on social media like that. So, like, you never.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It was.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It was kind of like Schrodinger's cat. Whereas, like, we're talking to. I have no idea.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

0 could be a billion.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

There's no way I could possibly know who's listening to. I'm sure there was a way, literally. But, like, in my brain there wasn't. So.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah. I mean, how many people. I'm trying to think if I even remember some of the early numbers, because we. I think we put it on YouTube. I don't know. It was never enough that it was a big deal, but I think it was, like, probably.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

If I had to guess, it was probably, like, in like, the 10 to 20, 000 range, somewhere around there, which, like, for that time is massive. But it was almost.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Now, again, it's kind of come back around where, like, there's so much competition now. If you're putting out, like, 20, 000 view videos, you're doing well. Yeah, like, for the time and for now, it's pretty good. It was that in between period where things kind of got crazy. But I. I think I. That the original listeners were like, you know, now everyone's looking for podcasts the same way you put on tv, you know? But those people were like. They were OG diehards.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Because you have to.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You had to seek it out. You had to watch it on weird times and weird platforms. And those were.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

They were.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

They were our original diehards.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Do we even have a schedule? I'm trying to remember.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Okay. The only thing I remember is we used to record, like, for probably a couple hours, and then I broke. We broke it up into multiple releases so it would be like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday drop or something. And all I remember is that probably in like, 20, 15, 16. Ish. Maybe. Maybe a little earlier around that time, I remember saying we had, like, kind of missed a couple episodes. It was like, oh, I'm on vacation or I can't make it today. And we skipped, like, a few weeks in a row. And I remember we had a. A talk where I was like, we either got to do this or not do it.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I kind of remember Thinking like, I think the guys are probably going to decide to not do it. Like, I think this might be it. And everybody agreed, let's commit to it. And then we got on like a real schedule and like, thank God we did because it led to everything. But there was a, there was a moment there where it could have gone. Like, let's just focus on blogging and this is stupid. Dave's right. And it would all have been gone.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Now that you say that, I do remember that because it was very. Not that it was half assed, but we were. I think John and I were coming from places at least myself, I'll speak for myself was like, I. I think this is awesome and fun, but like it's not really my thing. And it's, you know, but I'm having a great time. And then I remember having that conversation. I also. John, I had no idea you were just getting drunk during every episode because you were nervous. Like that was crazy. When I was listening to you guys talk about the show, I was like.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It wasn't like a regular thing, but they were certainly like. Because we would drink a beer. We were drinking beers like on the show.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And then there was like. Like for sure. The early episodes I was ripping a few shots beforehand because I was like, again, it was Schrodinger's cat. For all I knew, a million people were watching, but also zero people were watching.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. It also was great because we going back to the G chat thing, we didn't see each other and we didn't have like real in person co workers. So the all like, you guys were the only people I talked to basically on a regular. Like on a Tuesday in the middle of February in Chicago when it's 10 degrees. Like I'm not seeing other human beings. So like be coming on was such a escape or it's like, yeah, we're going to just let it fly. You know how you get like if you go to the office all day and you're talking to people, you get like that exhaustion where you're like, I don't want to talk to anyone. The exact opposite. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We basically had self enforced Covid.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Our own quarantine for like five years.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yes. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It was weird because we never did see each other. But like at the same time I was like, I think these guys are my best friends. I talk to them more than anybody. Yes.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

The only people I can relate to in life anymore.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah. The only thing I thought, I remember thinking, I always hated the name. I talked about this at Length with John. Like, I wish we changed it. I wish there was something better. And I thought the only thing I could always, like, I couldn't stop thinking about was if Dave was involved, if he liked that sort of shit, thought believed in podcasting, and he was a part of it. I think it would have just been the Barstool sports podcast. Because at the end of the day, it's like we were just guys. It was like the, the pitch for barstools. Like when you're sitting with your guys watching the game, these are the things you talk about. And that's what we were doing. And I wonder sometimes if he was a part of it or if it became more of like, instead of like our thing over here, if it was like a company wide thing. Because to me, that was just barstool in a nutshell. It was Sports. It was 6, 8, 12, 24, challenge. Like all the dumb, you know, I was like, that was kind of the essence of barstool. We just put it under a different name.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, it was. I mean, it was the. It was basically everything. All of our jokes and, and stupid humor and even getting Jay Cutler on was. Was very barstool. Dave's his one appearance where he was, he was so mad.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I still remember that appearance. That was one for me where I was like. I was like, I'll never recover from this. He was, he was so mad and so adamant that I was gay because I didn't get hard when I danced. Girls.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Your dick's not hard when you're dancing at a wedding.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

There's something wrong with you, buddy. That.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I remember one of the questions was, you know, like, would you have.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Sex with Susan Boyle?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Remember her? The American Idol girl? She was like 80 years old. And it was like, so it was one of those extreme, silly hypotheticals. And he. I now I know it, you know. Now I would never engage him in that sort of shit, but at the time, I don't think I really knew that. So I was like, yeah, here's what we do. We have these like silly conversations. And he was just so appalled at the thought of giving that any, even a second of his time. I was like, oh, this is. This is not gonna go well at all.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, man.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Maybe think about a woman that old ever again.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, I think about, like, the fact that we were the first. You know, we did live shows. The worst live shows ever. That one, KFC 100. Remember that, dude? That one live show. Where was that?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Where was that saloon on the upper east side to celebrate our hundredth episode, which that, by the way, as bad as it was, was probably the first time that I was like, oh, we're really onto something. It was a line out the door around the corner of that bar. And then we gave them the worst.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Show of all time.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, I think about that. Like, you're right, though. That was a moment where I was like, oh, people are listening to the show. But we were in a bar. We did not have a stage. We. I think maybe the first five feet of people could hear what we were saying everywhere. It was like the bar was like regular bar. Everyone was just talking, not listening. And I just. The speaker that we had went, you know. Yeah, it had a blast radius of.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like 8ft directly into our ears.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And then I remember we were staying. John, remember the. We were staying at a hotel that was very small because it's Manhattan. And I just remember it was me, you, and Louis. And we did so much cocaine, like, I couldn't feel my face. And we were just like, like, sprawled out, like, sleeping on, like. Like, I can't remember. Like, we didn't have enough beds. And we were just all kind of everywhere.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I remember that. And then I remember the next morning when I was trying to fucking, like, shake it off, I took a freezing cold shower. And in the shower I was like. And I came out, and you're like, dude, did you just jerk off in there? And I was like, you think I'm a cartoon character, dude? You think that's how I come?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

The hotel was so small that I think that you were taking a shower literally in my lap. Like, it was right there. But, yeah, that was like. We tried those things, the live shows that were. You know, that first one, I really can. I can picture it in my head of just talking to a mic and having no one be able to hear us.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That was the first. Like, I was already nervous to be, like, on stage, if you will. And, you know, since then, I've had. We've had shows that have bombed or had, like, technical difficulties or whatever, but I. I feel like I was sitting there like, somebody please kill me right now. If someone were to shoot me and end this, I would be happier than just suffering through this right now. That was like. I feel like nowadays, like I said, so many people have their favorite podcast and they buy all the merch and they buy all the tickets. And we were at a time where, like, there wasn't a lot of that. So the support we got was, like, so real. The fact that the like, that was. That was our first live show. But the first time we did, like, a real show was at the Wilbur, dude.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

How many comics have come through Dan and been like, my dream is to one day sell out the Wilbur. And we did it, like, the first night.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. And it really is true. Like, the. I really do think that the, the writing on the blog, you don't really get the feeling, like, people don't really come up to you and like, hey, remember that blog you wrote? But once we started doing KFC radio, that's when people started obviously putting our faces out there. People started like, coming up to you and saying, like, oh, that was. I love that episode. Or throwing random hypotheticals. You're like, oh, man, this is. It's actually working. This thing is working. This thing is real. It's not just anonymous. And it was like a time where, like, the people who were. Who. Who were with KFC radio from. From day one, it's like, it really does feel like the, like, band that you found before everyone else that's kind of barstool overall, those days of like, oh, this is like an inside joke that no one, the. The general public doesn't even see.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, it was. I.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

My, My.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, my favorite. I had to pick, like, what I wish to be a lasting legacy of KFC radio. The new age era was sort of what we did in comedy, but prior to that. I love the fact that, like, the. The whole pizza burrito thing.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Was born.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And even.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, we grew the mustache, we grew the playoff beards. You had the mustache. A lot of things that, like, became a part of barstool lore actually originated, you know, kind of got incubated in our world. I was always very proud of that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. The Pete Dave's pizza reviews came from the pizza burrito argument.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I mean, like, maybe he was always going to do something like that, but it did, like.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, but that's how it started.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like a thing. Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Because we did the. And then he.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

After. After. He's saying, I actually ate a burrito every single day for a week. And he claimed he ate a pizza every day for a week. And then when he.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

He broke his. He started eating popcorn.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Semi finals. He's like, I cheated, like, on the first night. He's like, I ate cookies the first night.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

That's like when he's unbelievable that he cheated with like, like, not a salad, not, like, green cookies. Like, I had to get a couple mint Milanos in the system.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, yeah, that was like when he also, when he, he pretended to jerk off 12 times for the 6, 12, 18, 24 challenge. It's like, Dave, we know you're not.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Doing any of this, bro. Just think of the idea of pretending to masturbate for Internet clout. Guys, I swear to God. Jerked off 12 times.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But no, you're right, Kevin. It's, it's. I don't think you guys get enough credit. And like the, it was. What was the, what were you guys talking about when you were saying like the. Oh, it was the top 100 or whatever times the podcast. Yeah. And then John, did you write about it or did you talk about it?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And it was like, it was like, yeah, of course people don't like when they, you know, when someone's being braggadocious. But John kind of made some great points. Like I. My podcast career started on KFC radio. Like, that's a fact. Like, that's where I learned how to do this. And I think I'm pretty good at it. But it's also because I was able to be given this Runway where we were able to kind of figure it out on the fly. It wasn't just thrown right into it and grow with the podcast. And then your guys ability to evolve over the time, like how many podcasts are able to last as long as you guys did where you basically pivoted multiple times? That doesn't really happen, you know what I mean?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

So many times.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Right.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And I know that like, bro, we were pivoting. Some of them probably weren't your favorite pivots. And like, I always felt bad that, you know, obviously I remember when, when we moved to New York and, and it was that moment, I think I can't remember who, who we were talking to, but it was just like I wanted to do, I wanted to keep doing both. But it also wasn't really fair because it was clear that like, there was a lot of time going into pmt and it was a big moment. It was for me personally, because I remember I wanted to keep doing Case Radio. But then I like had that realization. It's like me doing this and like being that guy who's like, oh, I can't, can't do it right now, Traveling for an interview, doing this, like, I would only stop you guys from, from going to where, like wherever you wanted to go. So that sucked because it just wasn't. I don't know, that just sucked. I remember in the moment being like, this sucks. I wish I Could do it all. But you guys being able to pivot to multiple things and. And. And change on the fly, like, multiple times, it's like PMT does the same. We do the same thing every show. You know what I mean? Like, we're kind of doing the same thing. So it's not like one day we're just like, oh, we're gonna be this, and then we're gonna be that. So you guys deserve all the credit in the world for doing that and lasting as long as you do.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Thank you for that, man. I appreciate that. I. I do feel, though, like, we. We. I. In terms of, like, a basketball pivot, I feel like we pivoted until we came back around, and then there's nowhere else to pivot.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You know what I mean?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, we were like, should we. Should we reinvent it? Change the name, change the this or that, focus on tv, whatever it might have been. And it was like, it's still just going to be me and John talking. And so, you know, at some point, you got to, like, totally change. You can't just keep tweaking and. And, you know, keep the same basis.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, he froze. Oh, he freeze.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You froze pizza?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No. Oh, I've been freezing up. I've been freezing up a lot.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, that was the first time we knew. This is perfect.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I love it.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But I was gonna say I was surprised. That was, like, a big decision for you, Dan, because, like, when I. I still didn't think of this as, like, our job.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, there was part of that. Yeah, yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like, I was just like, okay. Like, that makes sense. I know that show's doing well. Like, that makes sense. This isn't even my job. I don't really care.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

When. When was there a moment for you? I mean, I feel like it was pretty. Pretty hot out of the gates, I want to say. Adam Morrison, right? Was the first thing that put you on.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So was that, like, how quickly were you like, oh, this is. This is it. Like, this is gonna be a big deal.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It was the Adam Morrison one. Well, it was ESPN suing us two weeks in.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I tell people that all the time now when they're talking about, like, how do I start? Or this or that? And I'm always like, if you can. You can find yourself a little controversy to begin, like, get yourself a cease and desist. It works.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's insane.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I'm so mad at Trump for defunding NPR so they had no lawyers to sue us for lay mascots. People, like, we're like, like, no, Way Sesame Street's gonna allow this. And then they did.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, you need some controversy there. And that was that. The name was the issue, right? They were. It was. By the way, is it true. Did I make this up, or is it true that PFT really didn't know that it was Pardon the interruption mixed.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

With first take for like two weeks? He didn't. Yeah. And then he. And then he realized that. Well, when we. They sued us, he was like, why would they sue us? And I was like, well, we. We literally mashed everything together. And it wasn't the name. The name. They can't. They don't own those words. It was the fact we quite literally took their logos and mashed them together. And. And. And it was just so. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was the perfect thing that they did that because they just brought so much attention to us. Then sending. Having Mike Portnoy send a cease and desist back to them.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Right.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Was perfect.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Dude, I forgot about that. You guys were off and running fast right away.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

They just handed it to us. They handed it to us. But we had the similar things where the. The podcast world is so funny because it used to be just such a. Like, do you remember the. The podcast one. Fake numbers?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, we talked about that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, we. The Jim Harbaugh interview. We. The first Jim Harbaugh interview we did, and they were like, yeah, 10 million people listen to it. Like, there's just no way. That's too many people, dude.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I did the opposite where I would be like, that makes sense.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I do bet.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I do bet 3 million people listen to me.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Today I'm being like, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to, like, walk outside side if that was the case. If that many people were watching and no one seems to know who the fuck I am.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

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[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You ever feel like it reached a point where you're like, we were doing Mount Rushmore's and shit to make fun of it, but now our fans love.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It and we, we have to do.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Them now the way that like ESPN always did them. Was there ever a feeling of like, oh no, we've become what we're making fun of or that you were like, that was the point. We're cool with that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Every, every now and then I'll have that thought creep in and then we'll like for Mount Rushmore to be specific, like we'll do a Mount Rushmore and then we'll argue about the color of cheese for like an hour and get actually mad at each other and like we're fine, we're good. We're like, we're so dumb. We can't. We, we will always fall back into Just being morons on the. On the mic. But, yeah, it's. It's. It's weird to see it because there will be people who are very defensive about Rushmore. It's like, no, we started this as a joke. Like, that was the joke that there's nothing to talk about. But, yeah, it's. I. I think we've. I think we've done a decent enough job of not still becoming so mainstream. Obviously, you got to catch yourself, like, the Jay Cutler, when we were talking about being one of the first big guests, like, that one taught me a great lesson of, like, you can't become, like, really good friends with these guys because then you'll just look like an idiot when they, like, have a bad game and you refuse to admit it. I remember. You remember when, like, Jay would have a bad game, I'd be like, his offensive line sucks. And everyone's like, dude, it's okay to say it. A bad game. Like, not gonna say it.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

So I also thought it was funny to just outright refuse to admit it.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Well, now everything else.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You just have to say you're biased. Like, I'll just. I say when people get upset at us because, like, Josh Allen will have a bad game. And I. I've just said out loud. I'm like, I'm not going to say anything bad about Josh Allen. Sorry. Yeah, sorry. He's been huge for us. Like, he was being cool with us doing the whole draft Josh Allen thing, like, was big for pmt. I refuse to say anything when. And we do this whole bit, like, the can't win the big one, and, like, we're talking about, like, Caitlin Clark and Connor McDavid, and it's like kind of the elephant just sitting in the corner of the room looking over like, no, he's fine, dude.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He's fine. Yeah, that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That. So the Cutler thing was, like. That was a big deal for us having Jay Cutler on. It was at a time where Cudi was still, you know, a premier quarterback, and he loved us. He was. It was a big barstool fan, but then specifically loved KFC radio and was like, we'll come. I'll come. I would love to come on the show, but, like, it's got to be just you guys.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I think we. I don't know if Dave ever actually had a problem. I know that I was anticipating, if Dave finds that out, it's gonna be an issue. So we were like, how do we do it? But don't tell him. But I don't know I don't really remember how that resolved itself. I don't know if Dave actually cared or if we fabricated that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I think we might have fabricated it because I just remember us freaking out, being like, how the. Do we tell him? He's gonna be so mad. Yeah, he's gonna. I actually don't think he cares. He was just like, whatever. Yeah, yeah. He's like, that's fine. Your stupid little podcast.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I wonder if he had, like, bought into podcasts more, if it would have been an issue. But. But we. We definitely worried about that. And then. And that was. I mean, again, he was still good at that point, right?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

He was like, premiere, and we had, like, an hour long sit down with one of, you know, the rarest club in the world, a professional NFL quarterback, and he just, you know, answered all the dumb questions that we had, like, all the hypotheticals, all that. That was a big one. That was cool.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

That is honest. God, like, there's so much stuff throughout, you know, the history of our careers that I've never really thought about, and that's one I never really thought about until right now. Yeah. Doing a full hour interview with a court NFL quarterback in season.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

John, if we did that now, like, Dan. Dan's done it a bunch, but, like, right now, if, like, Jared Goff came on, I'd be like, this is a big fucking deal. Years ago.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, it was huge. Like, John, even think about, like, the. When we. With the kickball tournament, when you almost got fired. The reason you almost got fired is because we were just hanging out with the Blackhawks doing a fucking, like, bar crawl around the city of Chicago.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, it was blacked out in an alley with Patrick Sharp.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Sharp drove us home. He was like, he. Patrick Sharp won a Stanley cup and was like. It was like the third or fourth night. He's like, I'm good. I don't need to party anymore. And we were just blacked out in his car.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Dan, did you ever feel like. I feel like you what? You came in so hot. I want to say, like, year one or, like, pretty early, at least. You were, like, holding the cup up with the Hawks. You were on the field at Wrigley, like, you were so embraced right away by those teams.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It was crazy. It was. I mean, Patrick Sharp is the man. I owe him so much. And. And Cutler, like, they're both of them being, like, becoming genuine friends.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And like I said, like, was Rizzo your, like, main cub?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Re.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Rizzo, was he.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

He took him a little longer to warm up to me. But he did, obviously. Yeah, he. He became, you know, a good friend, and it's just like, yeah, those guys. I think it was just the fact that we've always. We've always been smart with how we've done it at Barstool, where it's like, we are not trying to burn anyone. Like, I don't want to burn. I. The last thing. We've done it a couple times where we've had an interview and then someone's gotten in trouble after, and it's the worst feeling ever. It. It literally, like, tears me apart where it's like, we're never trying to interview someone to be like, gotcha. And I think that. And you guys do the same thing where it's like, you're not trying to have a comedian on to be like, let's see what they'll fucking say so they can get in trouble. So I think having that mindset, people feel comfortable with us because they know, like, hey, they're not trying to. We're not walking into something where it's going to be just like a gotcha. And the media is, you know, like, not. I wonder. I wonder, like, today, in today's day and age, can you, like, start a podcast? Like, if you're in your 20s, like we were, and, like, just have guys like that come on? I don't think so, because everyone's so media savvy now. You know what I mean? Like, Cutler doing that is. It really is insane to think about. There's just no way a starting quarterback would be like, yeah, I'm going to go on this podcast and. And answer stupid hypotheticals of like, would you suck your mom's, you know, or your dad's balls?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm sure Cutler's people. Cutler's team must have been like, no.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Well, he's the perfect guy. He's the perfect guy because I obviously got, like, pretty close with him, and I know how his team is structured, and he. He just does whatever the fuck he wants. He always did that. So he is the perfect guy. But there's not many guys like that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it was. That was a big one for us. And that was where, you know, it's funny, those were things I remember being like, well, this is gonna be a domino effect. Like, the next quarterback come on down every week. And it kind of just existed on its own, like, and it's. You know, it stayed there. Which almost made it funnier that it happened, like, once and then never again.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Well, he was A genuine fan. He was literally a genuine fan who was like, I listened to your guy's podcast. I was like, that's crazy. And he would listen to it. It's like, that's. That just blew my mind. Still, kind of.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

When you had to, like, really seek it out, there was no, you know, algorithm feeding it to you. None of that. You had to go be like, type in, I want to watch KFC radio.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, go to the Podcast One website.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

All right, so we're going to start with. We have some voicemails, but first we want to play some old school ones just to.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, boy.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Just to go down memory lane. Let's start with. Start with Christopher Columbus. This is perfect.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

What? It used to be like, leave all of this in. I want. Used to be, man, it was.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I am. I. I was, like, super bummed that that flight got canceled. But now the fact that we're doing this, this should have been the plan all along. It's so funny.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

But this is now taking quite a long time.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You got this, Pavs. You got this. Stay in the pocket.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

No pressure, bro. Not like we're all just staring right at you, waiting. Yeah, but is this your boy?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

KFC become kind of a craze. Become kind of a craze.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Your boy and your boy, Feidalberg. So go to boston sports.com if you do.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

God bless you. You listen to KFC radio. There's C. Let's see. Here's a ridiculous question, and we get questions like this all the time where I think people really overestimate Barstool. This comes from Kevin h. He's at KJ Hogo. This guy says we have 15 years unlimited amounts of money and we have to build everything by hand. Could Barstool land on the moon? What planet is this dude on? Clearly not Earth. He must come from the moon if he thinks that we're gonna get to outer space like NASA.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I thought the hardest possible question was gonna be a log cabin that maybe we could do.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Let me put this into perspective for this kid. Wait, wait.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Before you do that, let me just say he has one more follow up. It's 15 years to get to the moon or five years to get to Europe. Continue.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Well, five years to get to Europe's doable.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

This is where. This is where Jan started to creep in. Like, well, wait a minute.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Boat is different. If you gave Barstool, a rocket ship and a manual to the rocket ship and gave us 15 years, give us unlimited rocket ships, we still wouldn't reach the moon.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Unlimited Time.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. No. So that is the dumbest question I've ever heard.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

When you said moon, my head almost blew up. I thought it was gonna be like, could you live in the woods in a log cabin for 15 years even? But then, even I think Europe is even out of the question. Because, like.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You seem pretty confident that we could sail to Europe in five years.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Because a boat is just not a boat. Like, you can build a boat.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Okay. Who's our water displacement expert?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, I feel like you could build.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I mean, dude.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Because here's the thing.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Here we go.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Christopher Columbus and those idiots back in, like, the Stone Age were able to.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Build boats and get to Europe and get to America.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

They went around the world. That's like Stone Age. The basis of that, they use their hands to build that.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, but they were.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I disagree with you. You're calling them Stone Age idiots. I think those guys were a million times the men we are when it comes to building with our hands. We sit around, all we do is type on a computer and jerk off our dicks.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I mean, Dan, there's a reason we still know their names. They're the smartest men of their time, which is way, way, way smarter than us. Some redundant people. A hard time looks like a. Be a little too serious there. Like, hey, just so you know, Dan, I think this guy's pretty. All right. Well, I guess in defense, that dude went halfway around the world in the wrong way. He wasn't trying to get. I think we got it there.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That. That is. I don't remember, like, the timing of that all, but I do remember that Dan basically became patron saint of irrational confidence on KFC radio.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

There was. There was two examples. It was that you could out punch Floyd Mayweather.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

In the punch fight. And also that you are smarter than Christopher Columbus. There was not a hypothetical in the world that Dan would. Would give up on or say we couldn't do.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Do you.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So do you really still think you're smarter than Christopher Columbus?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

100%. The guy was a moron. He fucking went.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

He.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

He landed in Cuba and said he was in India.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He's a.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

He was way off, way off on that one. So there.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

There are. There are definitely some things. The baby in the microwave. I. I probably. As I've gotten older, I've been like, yeah, that was pretty stupid. But I still think I'm smarter than Christopher Columbus. And I do think I could go punch for punch with Floyd Mayweather. If we're just standing there taking shots.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And you get to go First I.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Get to go first. I get to go first. That one was. Yeah, that one pissed people off. Like, no, fuck. I'm like, I'm saying we stand and we punch. It's basically, it's Dana White Slap League. But I get to go first. And I think I could. And also remember, I think I threw in the caveat that I had to be able to train my neck for three months. That was going to make me a world class fighter. The only thing that's keeping me from being a world, world class fighter is I just don't have the neck strength yet. But I could get it.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But, yeah, I. I could get it in three months.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I'll see, you know, like on Instagram. And it would be like, the North Sea is like the craziest sea ever, and it's like a huge tanker just like going over these and I just look at it. I'm like, yeah, I could do that. Yep. I'm gonna stay strong with this one. I'm not gonna give up. I. If you put Chris, Christopher Columbus, that's. If he showed up today, he'd be a fucking idiot. He wouldn't know how to. He wouldn't know how to work a key card. He wouldn't know how to turn on a computer bathroom. He doesn't know how to flush a toilet.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We. We kind of had a old school KFC radio moment. Maybe within the last couple years. It was. The question was, if you had unlimited attempts to complete open heart surgery, you. And, and the only thing you get to watch a YouTube tutorial, how long do you think it would take for you to. And you just have another body come in, like, oh, that person's dead. Onto the next one. Just an endless train. And I think John and Jackie and Pavs were like, like 15 times. I'll figure it out.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I. I forgot about this question, but in my head I was just like, pretty quick, YouTube. I'd have that one handled pretty quick.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

So I get to have a YouTube tutorial, like, open next to me.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So, yes, yes, I believe that was the case.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Honestly, John, I think you're underselling. I think it's like three times. I think I'd probably make a mistake the first two times. Like, all right, don't do that again. Don't cut that one, dude.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It was so funny. I was on the other side of it and I was like, you're gonna, you're gonna have dozens of dead people. Their blood's on your hands affect you. And they're like, nah, nah, man.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Two People. Two people will have to die. And I think by the third time, I'll be like, all right, you got this.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Now I'm pret. Good. I'm not great, but I'm pretty good at learning lessons. And I think if I keep killing people, I'll keep learning lessons and eventually I'll be like, all right, you're right.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Sub 10 before.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I'm like, we got to get a handle on this job.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You're right. I, by the way, I should get a little credit for. For at least being honest about the. The rocket ship, because that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That was the only time you ever agreed that was too far.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The funniest part was your comedown, though, because you were like, 15 years to get to the moon is crazy.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Five years Europe now. Hang on.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, yeah, we got this. Listen. We could build a boat.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Can I just say, it is remarkable that that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

What?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

What that little conversation we just had was exactly the same in 2013.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, yes, we have grown up.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Marriage, divorce, kids, money, like, all. Everything. And we're still. That. That conversation way we just had is exactly the same as those three guys 15 years years ago.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Dude.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's like when people sometimes will try to shame me for being 40 and they'll be like, you know, oh, you're talking about Sydney Sweeney. You're 40, dude. I'm like, yeah, that's awesome. Like, this is. This is. I. I am literally a Peter Pan lost boy. I've never had to grow up.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

What did you talk about? Insurance. Like an idiot.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Never had to progress as much as we haven't progressed. I think what. What I've noticed the big reaction from a lot of the fans when we announced the ending is that we and the audience all kind of grew up together.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

There were people who were like, I started listening to you when I was in, like, high school, and now I'm like, late 20s. There were people who were like, I was the same age as you, and I got married and had kids at the same time and grew with you. So, like, no matter what age you were at, you kind of had this coming of age occur with us. And I don't think we ever really had many lessons to offer, but it was very like, you just had someone to commiserate with or like, oh, I'm.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Not going through it alone.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I think the best example of that was Feidelberg's four years. The four year funeral to your dreams was his college bit. And this was John's first, like, you know, we're all it's so funny because right now we're all like in the same status in life. But there was a point where I remember thinking like, John is like a young kid and he's like, we're like mentoring.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And that was this right here, his first quarter life crisis reaction. I hate.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Let's, let's put, let's stop with college.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Questions because they make me so sad.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Let me tell you college kids something right here, right now. You know what college is and enjoy it. Don't worry about what you should have learned. College is a four year funeral for your dreams. That's it. When high school ended, like, even up until high school, you kind of have like that whole, like, you're still like, I don't know, you have your dreams, you have like, even if you want to be an athlete, like, you're like, you're still like, oh, I could maybe.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Be Anthony Davis and grow 6 inches.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And then I'll be like, I'll be a star soon. And, and you kind of have that in the back of your mind, there's that hope that you'll be something someday. And then once you get your high school diploma, that's it's dead. And then you go to college for four years and that's the funeral. That's the funeral for your dreams. You know, like you're fret like a funeral. You're kind of just celebrating.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Let him go, Dan.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Let him get it out. You're not really thinking about it, how you're like sad. And then when, and then when the funeral's over, like three days later, you.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Kind of sit by yourself in a.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Room and you start crying because you're like, oh, I'm never gonna be that again. That's what college is. Four years of just drinking your face up because nothing's ever gonna work out the way you want it to. Your life is hope. Should have been pretty clear to me that mental health was going to be something. I, I went down at the time.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You were just like, this is hilarious. Like, this is clinical depression.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, you're being a today. The funniest thing about that, that clip though, because now obviously bar still has grown and we've all made a career out of this. But because if people watching that are like, how the could you complain when you were working at barstool right out of college, right like that. Like John went from college to barstool. But at that point in like our barstool careers and, and barstool, like as a company, I think we all had the thought in the back of our head, like, this is fun, but it's not going to last. And it's going to like be a flash in a pan and we're going to have to someday sit in like a conference room with a resume with a fucking three year gap saying, so you did guess that ass for three years. Tell me about that. So, like, I think that, like, that was real that John thought that, like, you wouldn't think that now because again, we're the luckiest guys in the world to be able to have done this for so long and keep doing it. But at that time, I remember having those kind of same feelings every now and then, being like, what am I doing again, bro?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

At that time. And I'm not doing this to be weepy because I was having a fucking blast. But at that time, I was living in a truly dilapidated apartment. Like, like the building was condemned. That's why I lived there, because it was cheaper. I was living in a condemned building. I joined a gym so I could use a shower. I was pretty down in the dumps, boy.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Remember, it was like, remember Hank had a. Hank lived in an apartment. He lived in a bedroom with no windows. It wasn't a bedroom. It was legally not a bedroom.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

No, I, I, you know, none of us had a hard upbringing, at least that I know of.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, none of.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, it's not a true sob story by any means, but there was, you know, some sacrifices or at least some, some truly, like, not pretty moments that, I mean, again, I think we were all happy to just ride through it, but there might have been other people who would have, who have given up or would have been like, that I gotta do something else. And, and us sticking through it and just goofing off through like all of that is why we made it.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Do you guys remember the friendlies lunch?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Was that when we went to. When we went losing?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yes. Yeah. On the way home.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Friendly. I thought, oh, I, you're not talking about when we got banned from Applebee's. That was a different.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, no, no, no, no.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

This was just like, okay, that was the same trip.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We got banned from Applebee's on that trip because we drank. Who knew that this is a possibility? But we went the all time old school. I wish we could go back and do it. Like, I, I know there's no chance we can, but I've always thought, like, just once, like, let's just go, let's go back to King Richard's fair. Let's go do this. But we Went to. Where was it? It was like.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Belmont, Maine.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. And we were staying at a shitty hotel on the side of the highway, and there was an Applebee's attached or, like, next to it across the parking lot. And we went to the Applebee's for lunch, and we just stayed there. And they. And they kicked us out because they're like, we're watching the cameras, and you guys have each had, like, 13 drinks.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

But it was over the course of, like, 13 hours.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It was the whole day.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I was like, I could drive a car right now.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, it was. We. I was so. And then we went. What really pissed them off is we went back to the hotel and changed clothes and came back and we were like, all right, now. And they were like, get the out of here.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

What was the friendlies lunch?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The friendlies one. I remember as.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I don't know why it sticks out to me so much, but I remember it was after that weekend. And I don't know if we were just tired, the three of us, or like. But I remember that, at least for me, I remember in that moment at that lunch being like. I don't fucking know. Like, it was. I remember we were. Oh, we were complaining. We were commiserating about the fact that, like, that was hard. Like, that was a celebrity type weekend where it was like, I'm tired. We took pictures and all this. And we were like, it sucks being a celebrity and not having any money.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I used to say that at the worst, we had that.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It was like, we had a level of fame, at least within our community that was like, the real deal. And you had to take pictures. You had to worry about, like, being out in public or what you said or whatever. And then none of the money that usually balances out. Like, well, that sucks, but I'm rich. It was just like, that sucks.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And we're poor and Dave was getting rich. And. Yeah, the way I always described it was the. It was basically every bar you walked into as a gay bar for you personally, because, like, guys would turn around and look at you and no chick would ever have. They're just like, what? Who the fuck is that guy?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That weekend, I have physical scars on my body from that toboggan trip. I remember I was. I was behind Dave, and we were. You're supposed to kind of put your legs, like, over each other's shoulders, kind of. Remember that?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

He wrapped. I wrapped around him, and he just pushed my knees out, and so my knee just ran along the fucking wall. But like, going 100 miles an hour, and it's a bog, and it just ripped the skin off of my knee. I have the scar today. I have. I have scars. That was when I. When Gaz got his dick sucked in the hotel right next to me. It was, like, zero degrees in the same room.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You were in the same room when he got his dick sucked?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I remember the next day, you're like, oh, how's everyone sleep? He's like, well, I listened to Gaz get his dick sucked and Fights and I were sharing a room. We're like, well, we ate 7,000 Swedish fish.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The juxtaposition of what was going on in the two rooms where Kevin was getting an ASMR of a gas blowjob, and we were so fat, we couldn't get out of our ski suits because we had eaten so much candy. So we were just laying in bed in our ski suits. Like, we can't get these off.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Putting them on and taking them off was. That should have been the video. I don't know if there's footage of that, but trying to. I mean, they were like, this big.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

The onesies, and you somehow you stretched into the. I mean, that was. I looked like a marshmallow with toothpicks in it. It was so bad.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It was so bad. And then we realized at the end, we went to this whole thing, we were outside, it was, like, zero degrees. Like, at the last hour, we found some stoolies who, like, welcomed us into their hut and gave us shots, and we're like, oh, this actually is fun. Why?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And then, do you remember we almost qualified.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We almost made it to, like, the next heat by. And by, like, a tenth of a second, we didn't. And I remember being like, if we've got to do this again, I'm gonna kill.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I'm jumping off the mountain.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm gonna kill myself.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, man. Those were.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That's the only thing I. I miss. Like, I guess we just do so much of that stuff now.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That is kind of like you're inundated with it. But those were. Those were fun in the moment. I was always probably complaining about them. I didn't want to travel. I didn't want to do, like, the physical challenges, all that. But looking back on them, those were always, like, so memorable, those moments.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, the best. Yeah. Because I remember there was a. There was, like, a main bar that we went to that I. I want to say we're upstairs playing darts. Yeah. There was like, maybe, I don't know, like, 20 stoolies there with us. And it was like, the perfect vibes where everyone was having a good time. And it's like, that's a moment in time that we will never get back that you look back on. You're like, man, that was fun.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like, that was a truly great night.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

All three of us remember that, playing darts in that bar upstairs.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You know when another one of those nights was in Arizona, like, two years ago.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

When we were at the bar, and it was like. I think Shane came and Yellich was there, and they were, like, burnt. Show up.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like a private bar, but it was a dive bar that no one else was at.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It basically became our bar. It was like, this is a cool night. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You guys are in the bathroom stall with. With Gillis, and. And it was like, well, we're doing one thing, but the. The crowd out there might think we're doing something else together.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It was Monday of Super bowl week, too. It was like, we're not gonna go crazy. And I was like, yeah, yeah, we're not gonna go crazy. Then he showed up to the bar.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We're like, boom.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We're going crazy.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That really is. Those are moments that you just said, like, you don't get those back. And listen, everyone's got more money and probably more opportunities and, like, no more people and all that sort of. So it's still fun. But, man, those. Those were. The nostalgia of that is overwhelming. I'm like, oh, take me back, man. Take me back.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Dude, I have a tattoo for me. I got it. I have a couple tattoos now, but one of them is a Grateful Dead lyric, standing on the moon, but I'd rather be with you. And it's about, like, Jerry at the end of the. His career with the Grateful Dead being like, we made it to the moon. And I kind of wish I was right back at the beginning where it was, like, very simple. And, like, that. That's a feeling that's real. You know, it's. It's very real. And it's like you have to, like, wrestle with it, but you also have to realize, like, you should just be very grateful that those things happened. And, like, the. I. I think about it, I. I know this is gonna sound sappy, but, like, you know, when you get to 40, and I'm sure you've had this, Kevin, and you probably have had this too, John, where you, like, start to kind of look back and you're like, man, like, I've had a. A unbelievable run in life, and, like, just be like, I just Feel gratitude. And it's a lot because of the people who've listened and rode with us since day one where it's like the gratitude I feel is like insane. Just every day being like, man, I can't believe this all kind of worked out.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I know Dave is, is putting the book out in June and I'm hoping that, you know, is great and, and opens more doors. But I really do believe if, if someone were ever to take on telling the story, whether it's autobiographical from our end or someone on the outside looking in, if you tell the whole tale like, it's amazing.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It really is truly.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, I, I think there's a reason why there has not been another barstool since. And there wasn't one really before. Like, perfect timing, perfect ingredients, perfect storm. And I think it's like a truly like revolution pale if it's told the right way and you tell every part of it right.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And like the, the, the toboggan weekend, like now with social media, like everyone can go do that and they do and we see it, you know, like everyone goes and does these things and there's a lot of super creative, you know, content people out there who are making videos on Tik Tok and doing all this stuff and they're just. There's no barrier to entry. But back then it was like there was. It just felt like a bit. We would do a video and it felt like the biggest deal ever because like, holy, we all got together for a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That was, it was good stuff. It was.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

By the way, I don't want to get away too far away from this before I say that the video, that guy in the clip, despite the fact that he's got a whole host of problems, he's right.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I, I still contend that as awesome as college was, I think like the first couple of years out of college.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I think it depends on. I always said that, but I thought that was because I went to like a not fun college. But you went to a big time school and still felt that. I feel the four years from 22 to 26 or whenever you graduate that thereabout you have a little bit of money.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yep.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You're living with like you choose to live with your friends who you want to live with. You're not stuck in some dorm or whatever and you know, yeah, you have a job. That part sucks. But to me that you're just in much more control and I guess it depends on where you went to School and then where you do your post college if you went somewhere awesome and then you go home to like a shitty small town. But for me, living in New York was way better than, you know, Fordham the four years.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, I do. I think there's something. Because you do get to like, and you get to just kind of do life without any real responsibilities. Like you don't have kids, you don't have, you know, a family, a wife, all that stuff and you're just kind of. And you have like, you don't have a lot of money, but you have a. My first salary out of college was 30 grand. But it still felt like so much.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Money when I, I was, I had a good job out of college and then I got to double dip with splitting the barstool money and so I was probably, I was making good money for like a 25 year old. I was probably making like a hundred grand.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I, I feel back then that I had more financial freedom and more like it was easier then than now because to me it's like you, money is one thing, but responsibilities piling up at the same time. Like there was nothing to worry about that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Nothing.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Not one fucking thing, dude.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, it really was. Yeah, it's crazy like to, to think back to it. Like you take trips with friends and like that doesn't happen anymore. Where it's like, you can't just be like, oh, I'm going to go on a trip with all my friends and like leave my family for a weekend. Like, you can't that. But that would just be like, oh yeah, let's go to this, let's go do this. Oh, we'll go, we'll get a cabin in the woods. Oh, okay. Let's go get drunk for four days.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So wait, John, you, you still think for the four years of college are your best life, period?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No, no, that's not what I was saying in that video.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I guess you're right. I, I'm kind of, you know, inferring that it's, it's.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You're at a funeral, brother. You're sad, you're drinking, but you're sad. That video is clearly a depressed man who failed out of college. That, that's all that video is for, John.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's an eight year funeral for.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's also crazy to think about like when you, when you go to college and then graduate, like the four years is nothing. It's nuts how fast four years go by. And it's just like, because I, I don't know, I'm whatever. 20 year, 18 years out of college now it's like, oh, that happened fast.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm 40.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But he also. I'm. I'm like, it's. It's like. I do think it's right that like, it is. You're not gonna.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

When you.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Well, your dreams, when you go to college are not your dreams.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

No, they are not gonna come.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You have, you have recalibrated your dreams.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But our dreams got better, I think.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I feel like. Dan, would you ever. Would you say that this was like a dream or a goal of yours?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

No, me neither. And I don't know if anybody. Maybe Dave, because he like outset to do this, set out to do this. But I was gonna say, I think the reason why this worked is because it wasn't a dream that you fixated on and like, and. And tried to force. It was like it just happened. So it just happened, you know?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

So like, I guess like gave us the ground to find our dream. Does that make sense?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, yeah, probably. Probably once we got going, then it's like, you know, I want to do stand up or I want to do this.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like when I. When I told the New Orleans story on the show, I was like, that's what I want to do. Yeah, I knew. I was like, reaction. It got out of you guys. I was like, that's fun. Telling fun, wacky stories.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Interesting.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

That's what I like.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. And I do think that like, Dave and he would probably agree with this, like, the hiring people now is a lot more difficult because you do hire people who their dream is to work at Barstool and they don't have the life experience where it's like, we went. We had jobs, then came to Barstool. So like, the work ethic was there and like the hey, this is how you conduct yourself in a real job does. Does give you like a leg up when it comes to like, hey, we're. I mean, we. Again, this is the. We're talking about the easiest job in the world comparatively. But like when we had to blog 12 times a day every. And I like being so scared of the clock being like, oh, it's another 30 minutes. We gotta write something like, holy. We're gonna.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I don't know if that exists anymore, man. Like, yeah, you know, if you can't. If you came of age in Covid and then into the way the world is now, like it used to be like, yeah, you have a boss and he kind of kicks your ass. But you like, learn and you Figure it out. And you're on a clock and you work these days and all that. And now it's sort of just like this wishy washy, do whatever, you know, I, I feel like we did benefit from, from away and being a little bit old school. We were new enough that we're in the new age, but old school enough that we did it right.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And we were scared of Dave.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, I mean, being scared of Dave was good though.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, you need to be afraid of a boss. And nowadays it's like, I'm gonna quiet quit because you violated my rights. And it's like, yeah, well, it's not gonna work out for anybody then.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, we were very scared. I think about it all the time. Just getting an email, Dave's, Dave's famous emails, where he would write the whole email in the subject line. Yeah, there wouldn't be anything in the, in the actual email, like, do not write about this. And I was like, oh, as a.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Boss then do you like, do you do anything different or the same because of Dave? Like, do you do stuff that you're like, oh, that worked, I'm gonna do that or different?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Did you also have a moment where it was like, I'm not, I'm not afraid of you anymore. I gotta like, treat you as not my equal. But like, you know, kind of on the same level.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's been a struggle. It's been really hard. It's not been easy. Like the last couple years have not been easy in terms of trying to navigate it. And I actually apologize Dave in Saratoga this summer because I was just like, hey, all those times I thought you were being a dick. Like you actually were, right. Like you were thinking about the company over, you know, self. And that's the hardest part is like, people will gen. You know, everyone inherently is self motivated and thinks like, you know, about their own world and not everyone else's. So when you have a combination of a bunch of people only thinking about themselves and then you have to be in charge of that and give them hard truths of like, hey, this is not about you. It's about like what works for the company. It's really, it's hard. And the, the, the, the craziest thing is like, it's, it's way lonelier than I thought. And I mean that by. You get to a point where you realize, like, you know, I'm friends with everyone in the office or most people in the office, but realizing that they will act differently around you is like kind of a sobering thing where it's like, oh, we're friends and. But we can't really have the same relationship. You're going to treat me differently because I am technically your boss or whatever. It's very lonely. I mean, I. It's. The nice thing is I obviously have, like, Hank and PFT and the PMT crew, where it's like, they've. We've done this all together, so it's like, they don't treat me any different. But it's really hard to walk around and be like. I remember, like, at like. Like Camp Barstool, what we do every summer, like, have what, like, coming down to the campfire and watching everyone, like, getting drunk together. And then I show up and, like, you can kind of feel the. The vibe shift a little. You're like, I'm the vibe shift.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Is that vibe shift? Do you feel a little bit of power from that, or do you feel like a loser?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, I feel like a loser. And it sucks because I want to just be like, hey, guys, I want to just hang out too, and listen to songs and, like, get. And get drunk. But then I just. I. I think it's just kind of what it is. You know what I mean? You have to just. You just have to accept it and just be like, all right, it's a little different now. This is even.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Even if you're a cool vibe, when this person gets drunk and says something they shouldn't, and you've seen it and heard it and it's right, well, now I. I have to do something because I'm the boss, but, like, I don't want to, but right in front of me. So it's like, it's better to just not.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It's like, what David Wallace. David Wallace saw Michael and fucking Holly kissing. He's like, no, I didn't want to have to do something about this, but I got it right.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And there's just always David Wallace reference, last KFC radio. Bingo. Check it off.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But it is. It's. It's always having, like, little, you know, everyone's problem they think is the biggest problem. And when, you know, 20 people come to you with a problem in a week and you're like, hey, look, it's not every single thing that you bring to me is not the most important thing, but it is to them. So you like balancing that. But yeah, it was funny having to apologize to Dave and just be like, yeah, I didn't realize how lonely it was. And it's like, even, you know, like, Dave had, when we had that. That big fight with him. Kevin, about the. What was it the G? Was it G check? You know, the Kanye crew. What do you call it?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Club.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Club Cool. Club Cool.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, I get. I get it. That was probably Dave wrestling with the exact same thing that I've had to deal with the last couple years where it's like, yeah, we're not going to invite our boss to Kanye. Like, why would we? And so, like. And he, he was probably going through that exact moment that I've been going through where it's like, you gotta just realize, yeah, you're not gonna get invited to a party. Like, of all these people, it's not because they don't like you. It's because you're just. You change the.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, they're terrified of you.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Right, right, right.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

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[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Do. We have some new voicemails to get into. But before I play that, do you think that this. This is it for you? And I say that. I don't mean to diminish it, but, like, like, John's gonna go do, like, acting and stand up, like, almost like a pivot to a whole new thing. I've always said, like, if I had, pardon my take, if I had that level of success, I'd be done. I'm not innovating. I'm not changing. I'm not trying to keep up. You conquered it. You've got enough money and obviously do the yak. Like, I'm not saying you just do that, but is. Is this iteration of you. You think it.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, this is it. I mean, and it's. It's a. It's a. It's a good feeling to have to be like. Because, you know, there was the. The start of PMT when it was like, oh, we gotta get on tv. We gotta get on tv. And it's so funny. The Fox thing happened after. I mean, you guys both know, like, we were trying to get on tv, whether it be Comedy Central, all these things, taking the meetings. We spent 10 years trying to get on TV. Then we stopped in the last couple of years and Fox was like, hey, you guys want to get on tv.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like a girl trying to find a husband. When you stop looking, you'll find it.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. But no, it's. It's. It's an awesome feeling because obviously I know there will be a point in time where people will be like, oh, these guys are lame. They're old, whatever. But if people are still listening, I've told PFT this. I've told Hank this. Like, I want to do part of my take until, like, all my kids are in college, and that's another 16 years. My youngest is 2. So it's like, there. There's nothing. What.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

What.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

What's the alternative? I don't do, pardon my take. And then PFT comes over and watches Sunday football with me, and we just, like, sit and talk about the games.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Might as well press record.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Might as well press record. So, yeah, it is. It's nice knowing that, like, and I think it is a rare thing in this business because I do think that the media business, everyone's always like, more, more, more, more. You got to climb the ladder. And after the ESPN thing happened, it was the. It was. People will say that this is just, you know, speaking in hindsight, but, like, it was the best thing that could have happened because it did tell us that the stoolies and the fans that are listening, that's more than enough. You don't need more. You don't need to be this big thing, this TV star. You don't need to. To do all these things. You have an audience that loves you. Just serve them. And so that's pretty much my, you know, is serving them. And, yeah, I. I said it on Chris Long's podcast a couple months ago. Everyone in the office freaked out because I was like, I want to unwind in the next, like, few years. And that was solely. That wasn't like, stop doing PMT or the yak. It was like, stop doing some of the travel stuff. Stop doing, like, all the other ancillary shows that do. Do bring in money. But finding people that can step in for that and start making money for the company so that I don't have to work 80 hours a week, that's all that is. Like, I want to do. The perfect life is in 10 years, if I'm just still doing PMT and we're just, you know, but I'm not doing everything else, and I'm not traveling as much, but I'm still doing the show and talking ball with my friends.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

The beautiful thing, man, it is.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's. It's. It's incredible. It's Like I said, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. And it, like, we all are. Just to be on this ride, it's been. It's. It's insane.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I will say the. The number one thing I think is the most impressive is the longevity, because I remember, I don't even. I don't remember who it was, but there was always a show here or there that would, like, go to number one on the rankings and maybe take a shot at you or PMT or Barstool. And I remember a couple times you. You guys being like, do it for five straight years. And then.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Do it for eight straight years. And now what? However many years you're at, like, when you can hold down the number one or top five or top 10 for a decade, then. Then talk to me. That's.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We didn't see the. We didn't see the Kelsey Taylor Swift thing coming.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But that's still. I still don't understand. Let me just say this. I still don't understand how the numbers work, because if you look, we're always ahead of them. So at the end of the year, they're always like, hey, this is the number one sports podcast. That's fine. And I. Those guys like, both. Those guys, they do a great show, but yeah, it's, it's. It's doing it consistently over and over every single week for ten. We're coming up on ten years now.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You're. You're the always sunny of a podcast.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's like, keep making them.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

The nominations and the lists and the rankings aren't going to put you there. But every single fan is like, oh, the, the funniest show is that one over there. What are you guys.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Which is a great place to be.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We got nominated for a Golden Globe and then we looked into it. We had to, like, submit stuff, and.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We'Re like, nah, nah, wait.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Paperwork.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No, I've never done paperwork in my life. If it helps you get a Golden.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Globe, I was gonna say we'll do it for you.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Hell no.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

If someone wants to just give us an award, we'll take it. But we're not any extra work to try to get an award.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I'm with you as far as, like, Webbies and things like that go. We start talking Golden Globe, but they're.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, not the real Golden Globes. They're like the fake podcast Golden Globes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

One day be nominated for an Oscar, and he's gonna be like, I had to give him, like, my address.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I didn't Want to do it? Well, we. The one thing I do.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Regrets.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We should have submitted. We're saying they. They, like, wanted us to submit, like, five minutes of our work, and we. We didn't do this, but we were saying, like, we should just submit, like, the worst five minutes we've done, like, the five minutes where we argued about time zones. Yeah. For. For five minutes. And people are like, what the are they talking about? Move on. Like, just be like, hey, here's us.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm. But, like, I bet there are people out there. Be like, remember the time zones on pmc. Those are the things that resonate the most.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Dude, the best compliment I ever got was, like, maybe six months ago. I can't. I wish I knew who. Who sent it to me. I think it was a DM or might have been just a tweet. Someone called PMT Idiot Jazz. And I was like, that's it. Idiot Jazz. Like, you don't know where it's going, but we're always gonna be idiots.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Idiot Jazz. Very good stuff.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

So good.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

All right, let's play.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Let's play the final batch of voicemails in KFC radio history.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

By the way, the. I. I wanted to say, Dan, the. You were saying, like, the. The show being not happening originally was, like, the best thing to happen to you.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And I completely agree. And I think we. We do that thing where we go through phases, like we did with Shane, too, where it's like, this is the best thing that ever happened to you. And for a while, it feels like. Absolutely not. It feels like would have really preferred to have that show. And then after, like, three years, you're like, oh, wait, this is.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, wait, you were, like, toiling away, like, listening to ESPN execs, like, editing your show every week. It would have been terrible.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It also taught us a great lesson that, like, you can't go into business with someone that doesn't like that. You have to, like, drag into business with. They gave us no budget. Like, all these. All these shows that are on espn, they have writers and all this stuff. We had nothing. We had to do it all ourselves, and they were paying us nothing. And it's like, that should have been a pretty big warning sign that they don't. They have invested zero in it. So when hits the fan, they will walk away so easily.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yep. Yep. All right, let's do it.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We got happy to cut it off. Yeah, happy.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Probably the number one stoolie in the world. I would have to imagine. Wally Mario has been a guy who's he Knows he knows us better than we know ourselves. He's been helping the company and watching everything for. Since day one. This is his first voicemail though, which is kind of crazy. So let's let it rip.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Sup? Kevin fights Dan Pavs Jackie. It's your boy Mario. First time, longest time. Yeah, it's been awesome following along. These last almost 14 years of the show's journey. And it's pretty cool to have a very minuscule part of the law myself. But yeah, now we're older, more mature, some of us are wiser. So, like, we would never think the same way we did to a hypothetical or a question back in 2013, 2014. Like, we would never put a baby in a microwave for only one second. Now, like we've learned, like we're smarter, but same comes to asking the questions. Like maybe back then I'd ask something like, would you rather a goat but nobody knows about it, or would you rather not a goat and everyone thinks you a goat? I know, tough questions, but now it's more of a thinking man's kind of game. Like, say you picked up a book, you're reading the book, you realize it's just your life story. Every word, every thought you've ever had is on those pages. You get to the present day, do you keep reading? Flip to the end, what do you do? It's been a pleasure, guys. Stay safe on those Internet streets, everybody.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, it's philosophical. It's good question. You know what the real. I think depending to me, it depends on how many pages are left.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

If you get to present day and there's two pages left.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Left.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You better live it up, bud, because apparently you only got like a day left.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Wait, this is a no brainer. This is.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I know. John's putting this book down immediately.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yes.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, no, John, you're lying though. You're lying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because I, I also would love to say I'm gonna put that book down, but what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna like, you know, cover my eyes.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And just kind of like this is.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Look through and be like. And then you see something like, oh.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

John is throwing that book in the fire.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I have, like, genuinely, I have no desire to see that book. Why would I want to see. It's just a spoiler for my whole life, guys.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'd rather.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Then you could be smarter.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah. I mean, this also begs the question, like, if you read the next couple pages, do the fucking words on the. In the back of the book change because now you've changed the outcome. Unless the book know that you were gonna read it and then that's part of the story and then we get all circular. I'm in a fucking interstellar type movie movie.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

What age? So this is a great question because think about everything. What age? If, if, if you were to say, like, you're told when you're gonna die and no one wants to know when they're gonna die because you think in your head you're like, oh, like, I got this. But what age would you be comfortable with where you're like, okay, I'm okay knowing that I'm gonna die at 85. Is it like 85? Because you don't. If you read the back of the book and you die at 45, you're like, yeah, how'd that happen?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think, I think the, the, the sweet spot is low 80s. I think for me, I, I agree.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Sweet spots, low 80s. If I got back of low 70s, I'd go, I get it. But then you're pretty hard.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You know, that changes. You get to. If you said like 80, you're gonna die at 80. You, when you're 77, you're like, this is fun. I want to keep doing this.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

This dude that my, my grandfather passed somewhat recently now, but like, my mom always said that where she was like, he was just like, why would I like, you don't. In theory, you don't want to die until it's time to. In theory, like, you don't really care. It's not that big a deal until it's time to die and you're like, wait, I do not want to do this.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, that's why, I mean, as, as tough as things might get, like, this is it. This is all you got?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

So why would I want to know everything like, like that. That would dull the rest of my life to such an incredible extent. I'd walk around going, yeah, I knew that was coming. Yeah, I knew that was coming.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I mean, I guess the question is, can you alter it if you knew about it? So if you read something tragic happened when you did XYZ and you just avoid it, that would be if there's no way to change it and it's just set in stone. I think I would like, like skim. I think I'd be like, I would know the tent holes. Like, I. Happens between now and 50. But apparently when I'm 50, I'm going to be living in Australia I don't know how, but, like, maybe, you know.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You know what the. The easiest argument to make against reading it is you'd become a person who walks around going, and the book was better about you.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, that's an awesome place to be. That's why I read every Michael Lewis book, because I know they're gonna make a movie out of it, and I can say that to people. The.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

The.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

The real answer, though, is I would say no. And then every now and then, I'd open to a random page and be like, oh, okay. And then I'd close it. Just be like, no, I don't read. I'm not reading that book. I'm not reading that book. But then late at night, you just open it.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, all three of us read each other's books. And then I can be like, john, I really wouldn't get on that plane.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Today.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But with you guys so hard.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We couldn't trust each other.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Never in a million years you trust each other.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, you're gonna really eat that.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Speaking of getting on planes, I was telling you earlier, I went to the Vineyard this weekend and it was very windy, and my mom called me before the flight and went, ooh, gonna be JFK junior. I was like, what the holly holy.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, man, she's so gangster, man.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

She's.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

By the way, JFK Jr. Was a stud.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Big time stud. They're making a movie about him.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I didn't realize. I. I ended up following a random Instagram account. That's very weird. It's just like, JFK junior Pictures, and that guy was, like, ever. Like, he was just playing. I. Yeah, I don't know. Don't. Whatever. Don't even ask that. Whatever. Just. Just go with the fact that I'm now following a JFK junior Instagram page. But, like, shirt off in. In Central park, playing touch football every Sunday, just the most, like, living in a loft apartment, driving around in his Saab with a kayak on top. Like, remember sobs. Sobs don't exist anymore.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I know. They're just gone, right?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah. Saab was a good car. I actually just saw there's, like, an Actors on Actors show, and it's Stellan Skarsgard and Alexander Skarsgard who are father and son talking to each other and they wait. I forget why I'm saying this.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

What did you just say?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Oh, yeah, he's talking about. Alexander is telling his dad he wishes when he was growing up that he was just a regular guy in Sweden driving a Saab and going to work in an accounting firm. And the whole time Alexander Skarsgard is now in a dress, saying he wishes he had a more regular upbringing.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You're in a dress right now, John. You gotta. I. I think I've seen you do this recently, John. And I, I've. I've co opted it, but I just have been bailing on stories when I start them and I'm like, I don't know where it's going. Somehow I'll just leave people with a cliffhanger. I'll start talking and then just be like, yeah, you know what? It's not going anywhere good.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So how is, how is your memory these days, Dan? Because mine is like, yeah, like, like the. I started to get concerned. I think I even said this to, to the guys once, John. You can, you can tell me if I did. A couple years ago, I was getting so bad at the dozen.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I think I have Alzheimer's. I think I have early onset Alzheimer's because these are things I know that I do and now I can't even come up with it. I actually scared because of the dozen.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I. I retired from the dozen this year. Part of it was because I like every question was like, I should know this and I have no idea. I had a moment the other day. I don't know if you guys remember this, but Nikki smokes is like just, you know, he doesn't know anything about barstool, so he just watches old like stool scenes and stuff. And he was like, hey, that was crazy that you got robbed by your cleaning people. And I was like, what? I got robbed. And he pulled up a tick tock of a cleaning person in HQ1 in New York stealing like a thousand dollars out of my wallet and I had no memory of it. I was like, holy, that's not good. Yeah, yeah, it's happening.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

But there's also so much. I'm almost like I'm so blessed to have lived this life. I can't even remember it. But like we'll be watching a show. And I'm like, yo, did you see that show on Apple? Jason Clark is unbelievable. And John's like, yeah, he was a good interview. And I'm like, we. We talked to him. What? Like entire. Like almost a list celebrities that I just forget. I. I'd imagine for you that's even times 10.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh yeah, there's definitely the best was.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You guys have it like the. I. I thought this, this was like maybe a month or two ago, maybe a little more than that. I forget. But like you're the. You Guys so casually drop, like, the biggest interviews. Like, I was like, it's a Wednesday afternoon. No big deal. Just a Joe Burrow, Adam Silver. I remember that was one podcast. Quarterback and the NBA.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Both of those in there.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It is pretty crazy. Like, it does kind of blow my mind when we have, like, I. I try not to be jaded, but there are moments where I'm like, dude, you. You don't realize, like, that was a big deal. You just interviewed the commissioner. But the best. So the best, like, not remembering interview story that I have is I do a hit on ESPN Chicago. I've been doing it for, like, 10 years, every Wednesday with Waddle and Sylvie. Great guys. And they. We were talking about Joaquim Noah and Tibbs, and I was like, yeah, you know, Tibbs, like, getting the Bulls bugging his office his last year here was probably not a great thing. Like. And they're like, what are you talking about? We've never heard that story. And they Googled it. And the top result is me asking Joachim Noah about that story six years ago. So I started that story. It's not even a real story. I started it.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's like storyception.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It just comes in a circle.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That's hilarious that I do feel that way. So the only thing that pisses me off is, we'll see, like, a hypothetical go, like, mega viral. And, like, you know, a new podcast is, like, launched because these guys said, would you rather fight a gorilla or a hundred men or whatever? You know? And I'm like, we did all of these.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We did.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And we can't just do them again. Like. Like, we already did that.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Guys, go.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Listen to ours, not theirs.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I love the animal hypotheticals because I know we used to do them. And, like, I. I said that I could take down a bear, and it's just so funny because it pisses people off so bad. And it's just I'm the biggest in the world because I know, like, hey, heart of hearts, probably can't take down a bear, but I'm also never gonna have to fight a bear.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So you just paused right there. Like, I'm still not ready to admit it.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You know, I'm not. I'm not. I remember I had the whole pit about how I could take down any ammo animal because I could just snap their neck. I snapped their windpipe. I was like, oh, yeah, cow. I'll snap its windpipe.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

All right, next voicemail.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Dude, wait. By the way, for some reason, that made me laugh, and it remind me about something else. You said that made me laugh recently. Dan, you had a tweet yesterday that was about spilling on yourself after 35.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yep.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And then you go, just. Just try your best to eat over sinks or trash cans. Outside of that. It's in God's hands, dude.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I don't know what happened. I never was a spill guy. And in the last couple of years, once a week, I'll just look down and there'll just be food on my shirt. And I'm like, what the. So now, like, if you. I. I know that people probably talk about me in. In my office where they have. Everyone in that office has seen me eat, like a full sandwich just standing over a trash can like this, like, with my ass out. Because I'm like, I do. I don't want to spill. But that's. That's just what you got to do.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Dude, I. I did something similar this morning. I was coughing so hard, I just went over the sink. I was just like, I don't know what's gonna happen, Bro. I was so sick. I was so sick this morning and was coughing so hard that at one point I thought I was gonna die. Not, like really, really thought it, but in my head I was going, all right, dude, we gotta mix in an inhale here because, like, it's just a lot of.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Get some oxygen.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

KFC fights. Dan, what up? First time, long time.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I got a question for Big Cat.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

He's talked recently about how shoveling snow is one of his more favorite types of workouts.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's cold out, get a little sweaty, push some snow around, go back inside.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Got that nice layer of sweat on you.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Let's talk business.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Open up a snow shoveling gym.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Oh, do you have to do shovel snow? Honestly, I don't know the logistics behind it, but. But I'm confident that if you could move an entire office to Chicago, you probably could figure out how to get snow inside.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

This is shovel. This is a perfect type voicemail for our final episode because this is. This is a great original thought.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I love this.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's a good business. It's a good workout. And there's part of me that's like, I think Dan has the resources and ability to maybe make this a reality now.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

This is so smart. Now. This is gonna suck for people whose job is to shovel snow because they're like, fuck you guys.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Those people, they've. The loggers. People have been losing their jobs to workouts for a while now.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

That's true, that's true. But this is genius, because I do. Yeah. It was. We've gotten a lot of snow in Chicago to start the winter. And I just.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

There's not many things. I'm not a manly man, so it's not many things that I can do that are like, wow, job well done. But snow is one of them. And, like, I've. I've become such a dad. And like, you know, you look at the forecast, it's like, all right, we're gonna get eight inches.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Is.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Gotta get. Gotta stay on top of it. Gotta be out there every two hours. Gotta get. Gotta get the base level off.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You're out there like that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yes.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yes.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's awesome.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You are entirely too wealthy to do that, dude.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

My. My neighbor 2 down has heated sidewalks and he just big dogs me the whole time. I'm like this.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, man.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

My dad like that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah. I feel like the final Briggs will shovel until they're, like, dead.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I. That. That's actually a great point. I guarantee my dad will never have anyone else shovel. But he's out there every two hours.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Type thing.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But in kind of in the same way as you, Dan. We're like, he. He'll hold it over my head, but he likes that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Active choice to go do that and then hold it over my head because.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I. I do not have anything that makes me feel like a man. Like, just. Dude, I had my. When my first born was born, I had a guy. I task rabbited a guy to come and build his crib. Do you know how emasculating that is to have another man come in your home and while you sit on the couch and watch a game, your wife at that point, child's crib I can't do. But shoveling snow, I can do it.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Wait, wait, for real, what do you think is the most manly thing about you if you really had to pinpoint it?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I mean, it's probably just that I like, like, love football. So that's not even a thing.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

So that's not even a thing.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

That's not. That's every single guy.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I. I think Heidelberg is a man. Feidelberg is like, you're like a. You're. You're weird. You're like a boy and a girl and a man all at once. Like, you're. You're Peter Pan boy. You're also kind of a chick. Well, like, the way you dress and stuff, like Madame Feidelberg, like we always said. But then also, you're like the strongest guy I know. And like, I feel like you could like, chop down a Tree tomorrow and, like, take care of that for me.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I'll take this. Dude, I didn't know where this was going, but, yeah, kind of a little boy, a woman and a man all in one.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You're well rounded, bro.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, I'm so. Yeah, I'm. I, I. That's a good compliment because I'm soft as, like, I'm just at the point where I so throw money at every problem.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Just like, oh, that, that's, that's, that's who I am. To a T. Dan.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I have.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I got injured the other day just from sitting with my legs crossed.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, that will do it. That will do it.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I was googling it. I was like, I wasn't playing sports. I didn't have an injury. Like, nothing happened. And I Google it. And they were like, were you sitting down with your legs crossed for a while? And I was like, yes, I was. It's like, you have a pinched nerve in your calf. And I was like, Like, I can't even sit anymore, dude.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Dude, yesterday I. I was. I got so out of breath. Like, you would have thought I was running a marathon. I got so out of breath. What I got out of breath from was I was eating the buffalo wings too fast, and I, like, had to stop and like, like, tap my head and be like, slow down, dude. You're just eating these too fast.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Oh, easy there, big guy.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, the last bite didn't go. Like, I had to spit out the last bite because I was like, you, it's breathing or eating right now, and you're losing this battle.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Have the food so I could breathe.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Dan goes to the hospital. He's like, I want to get intubated. They're like, couldn't believe really sick people. He's like, just, you intubate me. Yeah, get these wings down.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. The. The doctor just, like, writes prescription. It's like, chew your food. That's it. You'll be just fine.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

As far as the, the actual business goes, I know people probably want the real deal snow, but I feel like logistically, it's got to be like, sand or something that, that you can always have on the spot, right?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Just have.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It's gotta be.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's gotta be the snow, though.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It's gotta be snow.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Right.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Thank God I'm in the room right now because I can find the snow. I can find you snow anywhere in America. You go to hockey rinks, get it from the Zambonis, bring that to your gym. Bingo, bango.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So we need just like a, like almost like it just is an ice rink. You could buy an ice rink and turn it into a gym.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Probably should make this a one stop shop. Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Because the, the sand wouldn't work. Because part of the snow shoveling experience is getting that little bit of sweat while it's cold. While you're cold. That's the best feeling. And then coming inside and warming up. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Gloves and all that. So it's got to be cold where you're at. And also the, when you get some real heavy, wet snow, that's the heaviest thing in the world. That's. Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's harder to shovel that than like bricks.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

There's nothing more masculine feeling than when you have to take off your jacket because it's too hot. Yeah, you're too hot. So you're like, I'm fucking in my T shirt out here shoveling the snow like a goddamn man.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And I, I, dude, I, I, it's so lame that I'm gonna say this, but I really do. Like, when I'm crushing a snowstorm, I will absolutely, like, look down the block and judge and be like, you know, you're, you're, dude, what are you doing?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, you're judge myself, I like, I had the guy showed up to work on the house today and I didn't, I hadn't shoveled. And I was like, these, these are real men. They work with their hands and they're showing up to my house that's covered in snow. They can't drive down the driveway. I'm pathetic.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I'm not a man. I'm not even a human. Oh, I love this gym idea.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

This is appropriate though, because I will say in terms of snow stories, Feidelberg, the first Feidelberg blog that ever jumped out at me where I was like, this guy's got. It was when he talked about the universal feeling of when you're pushing the shovel along and it hits the crease in the sidewalk and then the handle hits your dick.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I was like, like, yo, I've done that. He's done that. We've all done that. And yeah, Heidelberg articulated it perfect. I was like, this guy can blog.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I have one crease on my sidewalk that me up every time.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Every time.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And it drives me insane.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, that was, that was the same blog that Dave also really liked. And, and that, that's kind of one of those things where you, you realize, you're like, it's not that hard what we do.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

No.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like two people were like, this Is the written blog, right?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, that crease. You got that, too.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

But it's. It's. It's not hard, but it is. I think it's a little bit of a talent to, like. To identify, like, oh, this is a quirky thing about me. And you're like, wait, no, this is universal, and everyone's gonna relate to it. I. I have it. When. When I knew that I, like Dave was when he talked about his big game boxer briefs. Like, if you're. If you're having a chick over for the first time, you put on a pair that, you know, looks good and the right brand. And I was like, I do that too. And then from there on out, my whole blog career was, like, just identifying those things that everyone can relate to.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Noticing the little things and being like, yeah, everyone does this.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

What do we got? One more. You think? Let's do one more pause real quick.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And pee real quick. Sorry.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Okay, you're good.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

What do you think is your. Your worst moment for pmt? Like, interview or a take or something? You up and you wish you had back.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Oh.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I mean, obviously the ESPN stuff, but, like, what I was saying earlier, when we get someone in trouble. Do you remember it was either last year, the year before, when we had Karissa Thompson on, and she said something like, you know, sometimes in the halftime interviews, I'll, like, make it up because I wasn't able to. And then it became this huge deal, and she had to apologize on Thursday Night Football. And it's. Those are the moments where I'm like, like. And then also, we did interview Carl Malone during COVID and I did not read up a lot about him. That one hand up. Everyone's like, I cannot believe you had him on. And I was like, what do you mean? And then I read. Oh, I always knew there was, like. It was one of those guys. You knew there was something, but you didn't actually, like, read into it. And, you know, as children of the 90s, like, we just remember, like, Carl Malone. Like, mailman. Yeah, right.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And. Yeah, that one. I was like, oh, fuck. I. I probably should have done a little more research.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We. We. Not nearly as bad, but maybe. I don't know. We. We interviewed Chris d', Elia, like, right. I think we were, like, his last interview before things popped off. I remember being like, oh, yeah. Through the Internet featuring Delia. Like, here we go.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And it was like, oh.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

It's funny how much, like, when you. When you've been around long enough, you know, heroes become villains. And villains become bad guys. You know, it's like, you never know. Know how those interviews are going to age.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But it's also great because we're at a point now where I think we have enough history and also, like, maturity, where we just realize that, like, if there's a controversy, if there's something that happens, it's gonna pass. It always pass.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Like, it's just, you know, you just keep moving on, and it's just. That's just what happens. So, yeah, the. That interview, like, in the moment, I was like, oh, this is the end of us. And then, you know, people get mad, and then they forget.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Also, I think we actually just talked about that the other day, that it's as corny and cliche as it is getting up when you get knocked down. And then once you realize that you have the longevity, where it's like, all right, this is not good. And I might take a little bit of a hit, but, like, the fans seem to stick with me, so I'll. I'll be around, you know?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And then also the fans, they know you by now, where it's like, if something has gone south, it's not because you're trying to gotcha or trying to get attention. It's like, this just unfortunately happened, but they know your intent by now. That's a good part of being around for 15 years.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Big time. Big time. Yeah, I. I know I've said it a million times on the show, but it really is a testament to our fans because they do ride with us, and it's like, they know. They.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It's.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It's. It's great knowing when, like, the world feels like it's closing in, that, like, there are people who have your back, and it's. It's something that you just. You realize and you're like, this is awesome.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I wonder if, like, I'd have to ask younger people at barstool, but I wonder if, like, are telling people, like, what you just said, Dan. Like, people forget. Yeah, helpful, because we, like, not. Not that we didn't have it. No one had it because it didn't exist. The Internet hadn't been around long enough for someone to go, hey, I've seen this before. I've seen this. Yeah, you'll forget about it. They'll all forget about it. It felt like, for real. People will never forget. It's all, you know, it's the only thing anyone's telling you. I wonder if nowadays people will understand at a better level, like, people will forget about this.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I think it's just. It's really hard if you are. If you find yourself being the main character of the Internet for even, like, a day. Like, the. The, like, Jack Mack had the thing with the LSU player. It sucked. And I reached out to him and I was like, dude, look, this sucks. Like, you. You probably wish you could have some of these tweets back, but if, you know, in. In a week, in two weeks, in three weeks, yes, there will always be people who will respond and be dicks, but the majority of people have moved on, and it's gonna be fine. And, like, he. You know, I think it's just really hard when you feel like the whole Internet's, like, on top of your head.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I can speak from experience. Even if they don't move on and it's like, 10 years later, you'll still be all right. You just.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Right. And you just. And it's just the same, like. Like five people that are going to keep bringing up, like, your. Your worst moments, and then. And you just kind of reach this point where you're like, all right, those people are, like, on me for things that are probably going on in their life, and I'm not. You know, it's. What. What can you do about it?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

All right, last voicemail, and we'll wrap it up.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

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[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

And Thursdays for quite a While now, but got a. Got a question for you.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You guys could redo your interviews that you've done, either change it or whatever you want there. What one would you do? And what has been your favorite interview out of all the ones that you've done over the years? Thanks. Do we have another one or is that it? Yeah, yeah, let me.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I have an answer to these.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Okay, let's.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Let's do that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

But also let's wrap on one more because we did just talk about that. So let's talk interviews for a second. I think interviews are funny because they are so important to growth and status and probably open a lot of doors and opportunities and. But I also know from like, at least me personally, when I tune into my favorite radio shows in sports radio or now my favorite podcast, I actually, I'm like, oh, there's a guest today. I want to just hear like, the guys. Did you ever feel like you, you ever feel that? Like.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, you know, like, I always wanted to make sure we were good. That's why we always kind of tacked an interview on at the end where it's like, you get us and then this is a bonus. Whether that was right or wrong, that was always my kind of thought.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

The best way I would describe interviews in. In the evolution of it is that, like, they're necessary because I always think that it. It brings in new fans. Like, if you inter of, you know, Florida, Florida Gator fans are going to tune in for that interview and then they hopefully will stick around. But yeah, we, in the last, I don't know, probably we've been doing it for maybe four or five years where we realized that on Mondays after an NFL Sunday, we don't need an interview. And people just want to. In the numbers probably went up. Like, they didn't.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

They.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

They didn't suffer at all. So realizing that is awesome. And yeah, like, I, I still like doing interviews because I do. I like asking people questions that I don't think that they get asked a lot and like, you know, having fun with people. But if you look at like PMT and how we do our interviews now, it's a lot of just repeat guests that are just our friends, you know, and it's like I, I think an interview, you know, say, oh, you can interview Giannis. Yeah, that will be big numbers. I'd rather interview Rosilla or Whitney. You know what I mean? Like that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You know what it is? It's the difference between, between like the first time you talk to Rosillo, it's an interview. And the second, third, 20th time, it's not just a conversation. You know, like, you would call it an interview, but you want to get it to the point where you're. I'm just talking to a friend.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it's cool to. To be in that spot, too, where you. You. I think you guys probably had the same.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You had the same, like, epiphany where, like, oh, people are tuning in for us. That's really what it is. Interviews are great. They. They do add new fans, but, like, the core of the show is us. And. And having that moment, it. It is a little, like, liberating because it's hard to. To schedule interviews, like, be like, what's our next interview? What's the. You kind of, like, in a cycle that you can never get out of. Like, all right, we got two interviews this week. All right, well, next week's coming. We got to do two more.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We were talking, like, we used to record, like, five days a week because it was either an episode or an interview or two interviews. Three interviews. It used to be so many, man.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah. It was also like, I. I wish I could redo every interview now that I've, like, gone and done interviews and, like, been on the other send outside of it and, like, been asked questions. I, like, I have a completely, like, different understanding of how I think you should do it or. Yeah, Not. Not a different understanding because there's no right way to do it. There's no wrong way to do it, but just, like, better ideas of, like, oh, this would be interesting to try that kind of deal. Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And also getting to a point where I'm sure you guys had this, too, where you get to interview people that you just like, whether it's going to do big numbers or not. Like, we just had. We're going to run it, I think, next week.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Week.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But we just had Steven Jenkins from Third eye blind come into the studio, and it was like, will this interview do massive numbers? No. But did I ever think at any point in my life I would be sitting with Steven Jenkins and get to talk to him about third eye Blind also. No. So I'm going to take that opportunity.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

That's very cool.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And those are probably, like, your, you know, your best conversation or your most, like.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You know, again, whether or not it gets the biggest numbers, I don't know. But I think. I think that's when you can tell, oh, that guy actually likes him, or that's real.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Real interest. You know, John, when you were in the bathroom, Dan said his big. His number one regret was interviewing Karl Malone because he didn't. He didn't quite know the full extent of anything.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I knew some of it. I didn't know all of it.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You have one of those, John? I said that we, you know, we interviewed Delia right before everything broke.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Popped off with him.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

But I don't know if we have any ones that I'm like, Like, oh, yikes.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No, no. First of all, I'm sure, yes, but there's nothing that's coming to mind right now.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You would think in the comedy world that there'd be somebody, but.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Well, I know. I, I. It was offered. I don't know if it was, like, how official it was, but, like, Louie was talked about before Louie was cleared again. And I was like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Lou was one. I would do for sure.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I still would do.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Do that, though.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Are you saying that you've changed that opinion?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No, I'd still do Louis. Okay. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Just to be clear, Louie.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I would.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Have done Louie four years ago. I'll do today. Yeah.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

We got offered O.J. simpson once we turned that one down.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That actually is noble, I think. Well, it was a good line to draw.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It was not like. I want to say it was very noble. It was more the fact that they offered us. It was like, an ad deal where we, like, picked O.J. simpson up from jail. And I was like, could we have, like, a.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And I would have definitely said yes.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, we're like, we need a Lisa buffer. Like, let's let him. Let's. Let's let him go, like, a week without committing anything.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We went.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We. We had an ad deal. You're gonna go glove shopping with O.J.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

It'S crazy, dude. It was so insane.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

That's a good one.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

All right, let's do one more waistband on that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I love you guys.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I can't.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Words can't express how much I'm gonna.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Miss you guys and how bummed I am you're leaving. But it sounds like you guys got.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Some new stuff in the works, so I can't wait to see what you guys do.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I got one more question for you. In the name of science, I need an answer. And it's also one of those things.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That you go your whole life thinking, this is just how it's done, but.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Then you find out at the age of 35 that you might be the weird one.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

So we're gonna let you guys decide. And, Jackie, sorry, this one's for the.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Boys, but here it is.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You're going number one, don't take a piss, and you got jeans on.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I was always under the impression that you, you unzip. Yeah. Reach in, you pull out your junk from the fold, the button, the hole.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Whatever it is on your boxes. You do your business, tuck it in, zip up, good to go.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

But I found out that some guys.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Are unbuttoning, unzipping, they're pulling down their boxers, doing the business, readjusting everything back.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Up, and then hitting the road.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

So we need answers. You guys decide. Diva.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I can't believe how perfect is this? Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Fifteen years in, we're still like, do.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You piss with your dick like this? This is like, like when I was growing up, I used to love reading in the front of gq. There was like basically advice section where you ask a bar bartender where he just kind of spouts advice on, on random things that was necessary 30 years ago. That will be necessary until the end of time. Always need someone to go like, yo, you stand when you wipe or you sit when you wipe. Yeah, like the, through the flyer above the whatever. Like, it's just universal questions forever.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I think it's pretty universal answer too though.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No, I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I think.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I'm the worst. Yes, I agree with you, John. I, I'm the worst person to ask this because I'm the guy who still pisses and sinks. So I'm just doing whatever. Jeans. I think I unzip and just take my dick out. Sweatpants. I let my balls flop out.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, there's no fly.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, right?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah. If your sweatpants had a fly, I guess I would say poke through, but yeah, you got to put your balls over the waistband if you have, if you have elasticy type pants. But if you have a fly, khakis, cheetos, jeans, slacks. If there's a fly button, zip up, whatever you go through the fly. Right. It's just less to deal with the belt and a button and all that, right?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, but, but then you got. I mean, you want to hear what's really happening these days. You want to hear some real that's going on, Kevin. I am wearing high waisted pants more often these days.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

God.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But also, briefs don't have flies anymore these days. So I'm in, I'm in this weird no man's land, boys, where my pants end up here and my, my briefs start down here. So I'm pulling. It's hard to explain.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I got your underwear down, but through the fly, basically.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like, like, look, here we go here.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, yeah, you Got.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, yeah.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Then you got to pull them up over through here.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

You're doing a hybrid. You're doing fly but balls over the underwear.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I'm going fly but balls over the underwear. Yeah. It's a, It's a nightmare.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And that's crazy.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That is like, I, I, I, I, I would start wearing a dress before I started doing that. That's a nightmare, John.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It's kind of fun. It's kind of good.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

You're doing, like, origami with your pants and underwear.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Yeah, well, it's like magic trick for John to piss. It's why I ended up my pants at Edelman's house, because, like, I couldn't. I was, I was taking a piss with my pants like that, and I couldn't figure out how to get out of that system.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I mean, can I tell you guys something that's gonna put me out on an island here? And the, the answers are probably gonna be like, hey, you got a bladder problem, you probably need to go to the doctor. This has been happening to me, and maybe it's getting older. It happens probably once or twice a week. I'll go take a shit, and I'll just forget to piss, and then I have to get. I finished, and I'm like, wait, I.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Still have to piss.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And then I'll just all come out.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

At once to me.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I don't know. I thought it was involuntary, but apparently it's not. So I'll just have to stand up and piss after. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I gotta piss still. I don't know what that is.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

You're just pissing on the poop.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, well, I flush, and then I'm like. It usually hits me after I stand up. I'm like, wait, you didn't piss?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Dude, that is bizarre.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

That.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

That's got to be an age thing, because I. You. You used to pee every time you pooped, right?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, I thought it was, like, it just goes together, but apparently not. I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

How about this? I saw a thread the other day, by the way, Instagram has, like, successfully snuck threads into my life.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I gotta tip my cap.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I'm on threads now. My God, they hit you with the titties, and you're just like, oh, let me see that.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

There was a picture of the front of the toilet bowl, and it was really worn down, like a white toilet bowl seat. But the, the front corner, front tip had, like, a black part that was rubbed out, and. And it was a girl being like, what the. The. What the is this about? I've seen this on a couple toilets now, and I thought it was extreme. So I was like, I don't even know what the answer is, but I think this is probably from people pissing on the seat and, like, wiping it. And the overwhelming answer in the comments was like, that's where we put our dick and balls while we. Right, okay. I'm not crazy. And there was one guy who was like, you guys put your dick and balls out. And it was. A lot of. It was a lot of guys being.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like, well, my dick, like, hits the water.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

My.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Like, I hit the bowl.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Like, my. You must be small or something like that. And I was like, I don't know what's going on here, but I don't think it's normal that people put their dick and balls on the seat while they.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

And I. I'll do the reverse. There's no. I am so small. There's no way I could put my dick and balls anywhere I know about.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I would need, like, a bridge to get there.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I wanted to make sure. I was like, if. If this is some new thing that the kids are doing, I. I wouldn't. It doesn't logistically work. It doesn't make sense. And I pee when I poop, so it would just be going everywhere.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Do you know what makes me laugh? Just to no end. And this is. This is a good sign of, like, hey, you. You actually will never grow up. And that's totally fine. Do you guys see the. The, like, burner verse? They'll. They'll post like, like, curry from downtown, and it's a dude with a stream, like, from all the way on the other side of the bathroom. I laugh every time. And they're just pissing on the wall.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah, I think we've done that too. Wasn't it you that said or. No, it was John. I think John told me that in the. In the New York office that you can piss like, six tiles worth or something like that. Remember that, John?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I think I could hit six.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Yeah. It was an insane distance. It was like. It was like a free throw. It was like, from the free throw line. It was nuts.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

We were talking toilet stuff. And I literally would never ask this question to any other group of people. So while we're here, I'm gonna ask it while. When you get older, you notice the poop leaving streaks in the toilet more.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I mean, I think that's unhealthy. I, like, I know I'm unhealthy. So yes, yes, I do.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

But you do notice it, dude.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm like, do you remember like growing up, you were like, my dad takes. Oh, dude, old man dumps were a thing. They tear the house apart, they clear the people out and apparently they're streaking the ball.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I didn't, I never had to know where a toilet bus, bro, toilet brush bowl was in my life. Now I just fucking keep that thing on me all the time. Oh, now I go into a hotel, I'm like, there's no bowl brush here.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

If I go to a bathroom and there's not a plunger, I don't go. I'm like, there's just, there's, there's a 50 chance we're gonna have a problem here. I can't. I'm not equipped. This also is like the, you know, having. Being as lucky as we are, having money and all that stuff. It's awesome. Everyone's like, oh, being rich is the coolest thing ever. I'd actually contend the coolest thing about being rich is having enough bathrooms in your house that you can go away from your family. Like, I just go so far away from my family when I got to do something, something bad that it's like. Because, you know, like you said growing up, like my dad used to bring match matches into the bathroom with him. The entire house would smell.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Can I tell you something? This weekend I was away with some friends and I was staying in a bedroom with a conjoining bathroom to my other. And I was awake at like 5am for I wasn't feeling good. So I was just awake in my room and he was pooping in the other room. I would have rather had him murdering.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Somebody.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Because he didn't know I was awake. So he's like, oh, he's asleep. He's just. I can make all my natural noises. And I was like, I wish you were strangling someone to fucking death in there. It was the most disturbing experience of my entire life.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Oh, well, this is perfect timing. The work on my house has officially really started. So we gotta wrap it up anyway. But Dan, I want to congratulate you on everything. You. You have gone on a generational meteoric run that I think they will be writing about till the end of time. And it was, it was cool to have even been a small part of it. It was very fun to watch it all unfold and, and I don't think we're where we are today without what you contributed to, to the show early on. So thank you for that and Congrats on everything you did.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Well, the feeling's mutual because it's not a small part like, you guys. And like I said at the start of this, like, inviting me on was a huge part of. Of everything that has gone on after. And I think that, like, I'm so happy that I was able to do one last one, because it's. It should. People should realize that, like, how monumental this show, Kevin, your vision, fights, your humor, like, to Barstool's growth was. Like, it doesn't. We don't get to where we are without this show, and. And what it built, especially at a time when we weren't doing this. So I'm forever, forever grateful. I was doing Una's drawing show, and I. I. We. We talked a little bit about this, and I was just like, the. The thing about the two of you guys, like, we've. We've known each other for a very long time now. You know, it's not like we're like the best friends where we're going out all the time, but. But you guys, like, the three of us, and there's a few people in our company, like, we have shared experiences that no one else has. So it's like. And. And you guys are like foxhole guys, where it's like, I always will know that, like, we've been through everything, and you can look over and be like, yeah, those guys are the. Consist, consistent guys, the guys that, like, you can trust. And so your friendship has been enormous for me, and this show has been enormous for me, and I'm gonna miss it. I got, like, sentimental when I was listening to you guys talking about the show over Thanksgiving break, and I was just like, damn. Like, this is. It's crazy. It's sad that it has to end, but it also feels like you guys are doing the right thing because you said it yourselves, like, to just keep doing it just because you did it, that. That doesn't really serve the purpose. Now you get to go out on a way that everyone's like, that was such an awesome thing. And we cherish it forever. And people will be talking about it forever. Like, they'll be like, this was a show that I loved and listened to, and it has a lasting legacy, which is very cool.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Amen, brother. You got anything, John?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Well, no, I didn't know we were all gonna say nice stuff.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah, no, that was actually tremendously gay of me. I'm sorry. I should have said.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Started talking. I was like, what the hell is this?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

I will say I'll leave you with this. One thing that I have tried to do better in my life is like having. Having the. The gratitude in the moment because we do do a lot of, like, day to day what's going on next day. But being able to tell the people that mean something to you, that they mean something to you is like, something we just don't do as guys and we need to do more often. Like, just a simple, love you guys. And like, a simple, this is important to me because we're idiots. We could go our entire life without saying, like, hey, you know what? Thank you so much for inviting me on this podcast back in 2013. It meant a ton to my life and my career and everything that came after. We're too prideful and stupid to, like, we'll just die and be like, oh, yeah, I guess that was a good thing we did. No, let's say it. Say what you mean.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I'm with you.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

No, I completely agree. And obviously YouTube mean the world to me. And like, literally the only reason I have a job, because you both fought for me the many times I was should have been fired. So it's also, as you were saying, you were like, you're like, yeah, like, we have shared life experiences that no one else in the world can relate to. And I completely agree with that. It's also the argument I used to defend why Drake and Millie Bobby Brown wasn't that weird a friendship experiences that none of us can relate to.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

I just love the thought of Jan giving that nice speech and John being like, like, so wait, did you guys leave streaks in the toilet or not?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

It's perfect. It's perfect.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

We really wrapped up on, like, great voicemails from everybody today. The exact sort of quirkiness that made KFC radio 15 years later is still happening. So thank you to those guys who called in and the people called in all those years, because you guys really were the ones who formed this hypothetical weird. I've always said the key to the Internet is taking the not serious things seriously, like arguing, could we make it to the moon? And then the serious things you don't take too seriously. So that's how we didn't become political and we didn't become, you know, something we're not. And I think we did that because the fans kind of did that with us and we all grew up together and it actually became something pretty special. So thank you to anybody who was involved, from producers to fans, and of course, Dan, yourself. It was an awesome ride and it means a lot that you came back and did it one more time for us. Thanks, man.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Yeah. Congrats, boys. Hell of a. Hell of a run. Hell of a run. Hell of a legacy.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Thank you, gentlemen. Love you, boys. Love.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

All right. That was so much fun. That was so much fun. I am happy. Like, I wish I had come, but like, this was. No, this is perfect. It felt like I was like I time traveled. Like sitting in a room on a zoom. It was great.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

All right, man.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

All right. See you, boys.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

Thank you again.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

And we're fucking live here. KFC Radio episode 20 and we're going across the country now. We got our boy Fidelberg up in Boston. Puerto Rican Puff Daddy at Park Slope and making his first ever barstool appearance, letting his face be seen to the world. We got big Big Cat over in Parcel, Chicago. What's going on, buddy?

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

This is your big moment, man. People have been waiting to see what the Big Cat looks like, and now they realize he just kind of looks like a normal Jewish kid. What's the thought going on there?

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I'm probably going to get a lot.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

Of phone calls from women.

[John Feitelberg (Feidelberg)]

I understand that.

[Dan Katz (Big Cat)]

No big deal. The problem is I've been such a creep on the blog that people are so creepy to me that this, you know, this might be the end of me.

[Kevin Clancy (KFC)]

Sam.