Dante on the Epstein Files & More Conspiracies - FULL EPISODE

Summary

KFC Radio — Dante on the Epstein Files & More Conspiracies (October 23, 2025)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of KFC Radio, hosts KFC and Feitelberg are joined by recurring guest Dante for a wide-ranging, often hilarious discussion spanning Barstool Sports internal drama, company culture, relationships, existential outlooks, and, as promised, a deep-dive into current conspiracies — including the ever-contentious Epstein Files. The episode blends personal anecdotes with cultural observations, Barstool lore, listener interactions, and trademark roasting, providing listeners with both genuine insight and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Barstool Drama & Internal Culture

• Pat Bev Controversy ([02:26]–[08:25])

  • KFC addresses the fallout from NBA player Pat Beverley’s deleted Instagram comment about KFC’s personal life, noting his own growth and reduced reactivity to drama.
    • “Something happened in the last like year or so… I really don’t care anymore. I really don’t care.” – KFC [03:43]
  • Feitelberg and KFC dissect the nature of online shots, performative takes, and how Barstool as a culture sometimes unintentionally fuels and spreads drama.
    • “That puts you into a new fight.” – Feitelberg [03:18]
  • They reflect on how Barstool’s drama used to feel essential for business but now, with age and perspective, it just feels tiresome.

• Barstool as a ‘Forever’ Job & Company Evolution ([08:47]–[16:56])

  • Discussion about Large’s comments on the impermanence of working at Barstool — a company once seen as a ‘forever’ job, now feeling more like a stepping stone for some.
  • The hosts share family business parallels, job cycles, and ponder on whether Barstool will define the rest of their careers.

• Changing Dynamics & Generational Shifts ([16:44]–[25:00])

  • Debating if young employees expect long-term roles or if Barstool “lifer” status is fading.
  • Echoing Large, hosts agree embracing adaptability is key: “You gotta dance like no one’s watching… but everyone here dances like someone’s watching — because they are.” – Feitelberg [20:07]

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2. Relationships, Marriage & Modern Dating

• Marriage Stats & Societal Shifts ([33:01]–[43:00])

  • Feitelberg shares surprising stats on marriage happiness rising and traditional gender roles shifting — with American husbands doing 65% of what was previously deemed ‘the wife’s job’.
    • “American men have to increase their family life workload… that’s right. We want more credit.” – Feitelberg [36:32]
  • They highlight that expectations for men have increased at home, but perhaps less so for women in earning.
    • “There’s a much heavier expectation on men to now be progressive at home.” – KFC [37:40]

• Dating Apps, Arranged Marriages & Analysis Paralysis ([48:52]–[56:51])

  • Lively discussion on whether dating apps improve relationship outcomes, with Feitelberg contending modern abundance of options undermines long-term happiness.
    • “Arranged marriages know they take work… love marriages, it’s over now, just relax and let it sink in — obviously, that’s not how it works.” – Feitelberg [49:08]
    • Analogy to TV: Too many choices now, but less satisfaction.

• The Value of ‘Peace’ in Relationships ([55:05]–[61:14])

  • Jackie and the hosts discuss the underrated quality of feeling “peace” with a partner, more than excitement or drama.
    • “Peace to me is invaluable. I don’t think I would have said that when I was 25.” – KFC [60:29]

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3. Life Philosophy — Indifference, Engagement, and Contentment

• Indifference vs. Engagement ([21:05]–[23:17])

  • They riff on how negative feedback is better than no feedback and indifference is true death in entertainment.
    • “Love, hate — indifference is the real problem.” – Feitelberg [21:05]

• Living For Yourself Amidst Chaos ([43:43]–[44:11])

  • Despite global and company turbulence, the hosts suggest the most you can do is “control what you can control while you’re here.” – KFC [14:13]
  • Assert the futility of obsessing over events too big to impact.

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4. Conspiracy Theories, The Epstein Files, and Distrust

• Dante’s Distrust & Distraction Hypotheses ([85:41]–[88:08])

  • Dante reveals his current worldview: everything is a distraction from a world “burning down,” referencing the Epstein Files and other potential government coverups.
    • “You want the Epstein files? …everything. I think the world [is] burning down all around us.” – Dante [86:00]
  • Hosts challenge Dante about research rigor and the echo chambers of internet “evidence.”
    • “I read one article, and it makes me think that you don’t read a lot of articles.” – Feitelberg [122:20]
  • Dante insists he consults “too many viewpoints” rather than too few.

• Conspiracy Culture & The Challenge of Truth ([124:22]–[131:29])

  • Lively debate on the tendency to see “conspiracy” in every political event, from assassinations to the Epstein list.
    • “The fact that all the big political happenings are always conspiratorial… they can’t all be!” – KFC [124:22]
  • They touch on the viral “Swastika clock” rumor and similar phenomena, questioning what’s real vs. fabricated on the internet.
    • “Everything, if you give it one Google, is not real…” – Feitelberg [126:44]

• Epstein Files Debate ([127:12]–[133:05])

  • Feitelberg pushes back on why supposed whistleblower politicians don’t release the full “Epstein list” after promising it; Dante argues the government would never let the full truth out.
    • “The minute the average person realizes that these governments allowed children to be abused… it all burns down.” – Dante [129:06]
    • “You’re ignoring my question… there’s no reason for them to not put it out — unless it doesn’t exist.” – Feitelberg [129:13]

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5. Barstool Originals, Risks, and Success Metrics

• Creative Risks: La Mascots & Show Development ([134:13]–[152:13])

  • Discussion around the reaction to new, ambitious Barstool projects — especially “Le Mascots.”
    • Frustration with the narrative that if a project isn’t an immediate hit, it’s labeled a “failure.”
    • “We made money off it — I would have liked that to have been made clear.” – Feitelberg [137:00]
    • “The biggest thing we’ve never been good at is thinking long-term — if it’s not smash out the gates, it’s a failure.” – Dante [138:58]
  • The danger of “clips” culture — many judge multi-hour podcasts based solely on isolated clips.

• The Importance of Making Things, Even If They Flop ([145:21]–[147:21])

  • Feitelberg, quoting Picasso, says creative people should be prolific and fearless about trying new things.
    • “If you’re not chucking up shots, you’re never going to score.” – Dante [146:29]
    • “None of us really know what Picasso did — but we know who he is because he hammered. He was just prolific…” – Feitelberg [147:04]
  • They express regret that beginners may be discouraged by negative reception of new ventures.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You always say this – put your name on it. Say, ‘I don’t like...’ It’s when everyone says they speak as if it just is—‘it’s right, it’s wrong, they’re good, we’re bad’…” – KFC [22:32]
• “My opinion is, I don’t know what the f--- I’m talking about.” – Feitelberg [48:53]
• “If you want a partner to contribute, you have to let them do it their way. You can’t be like ‘I need your help, but only if you do it my way.’” – KFC [46:05]
• “The most tragic thing about peace is you don’t value it until you don’t have it.” – KFC [60:03]
• “You gotta go outside. You can only learn that from being there.” – Feitelberg [27:09]
• “I don’t make choices – like you said, I got picked up by the Crane Claw and it just dropped me...’you’re a podcaster now…’” – Feitelberg [30:00]
• “If you’re not one of those [lucky creators], it’s either you’ve caught the wave or you’re a new person holding on for dear life. And here, people remember your misses not your makes…” – KFC [147:21]
• “If comparison is the thief of joy, whoever coined that is the realest ever.” – KFC [112:52]

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Structural & Generational Perspectives

• The hosts frequently reflect on how Barstool’s once ‘forever job’ ethos is succumbing to more traditional career cycles as the company ages.
• They muse on how technology — social media, group chats, the flood of content and disinformation — has amplified feelings of instability, paranoia, and sometimes, liberation.
• The value of adaptability and being comfortable with uncertainty is a recurring theme.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:26] Pat Bev drama and impact on KFC
• [08:47] Barstool’s “forever” culture & Large’s comments
• [20:07] Discussion of “dancing like no one’s watching” — creative risk at Barstool
• [33:01] Marriage statistics, shifting gender roles
• [48:52] Dating apps, arranged marriages, analysis paralysis
• [55:05] The importance of peace in relationships
• [85:41] Dante’s “distraction” and conspiracy worldview
• [127:12] The Epstein Files deep-dive & government distrust
• [134:13] “Le Mascots”, risk/reward for Barstool projects
• [145:21] Picasso analogy: why making things matters even if they fail

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Tone & Language

As ever, this episode is a swirling blend of Barstool’s signature irreverence, blunt honesty, and brotherly ribbing. The trio riff comfortably, mixing humor with earnestness — rarely shying away from self-deprecation or difficult questions. Their language switches easily from locker-room jokes to surprising personal vulnerability.

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a rich snapshot of where Barstool — and its foundational personalities — stand in 2025: older, a little wiser, still jaded but openly reflective, concerned with both company direction and the broad existential questions of modern adulthood. The blend of pop-culture banter, inside-baseball company talk, and meditations on meaning gives diehard Stoolies and casual listeners alike plenty to chew on — or to furiously debate in the comments.

Transcript

[A]

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[C]

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[A]

It's another edition of KFC Radio on the Barstool sports network. We got Dante the don on today's episode. Always good for just a goddamn mental circus. That was actually. It's actually a really good conversation.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I hesitate to call it an interview because it's just Dante, but it was a great conversation.

[C]

This is my point with Dante. All the time when I talk about him, he's insane.

[A]

But if you just.

[C]

He's a good dude.

[A]

You guys have an interesting dynamic, though. And that's also why I always like to have him on when he's in the. In the office. You. You probably because of, like, blackout years and just like you guys have been around each other a lot, but you call him out on his like nobody else does, and then he. But he's always pretty good. Yeah, he takes it, but comes back with it. Like, you guys have a very good dynamic, I think, with other people who. Plenty of people here say dumb. I think 99.9% of the time, you just let it slide. Dante, you do know you're always like, no, no, wait, why didn't you research it?

[C]

Or whatever.

[A]

You'll hear it in the interview. But it. And. And he really. Tante. Does the same thing every time.

[C]

He's an adorable man. I love Dante. He gets.

[A]

He gets.

[C]

He does. He get.

[A]

So he's on the show. I'll just talk about Pat Bev quickly. I really don't, I really don't even really care to do this, but everybody's kind of been asking me about it. So after John absolutely ethered him, Pat Bev left a comment on, on our Instagram and then deleted it quickly, talking about my divorce scandal and all that. I, I mean, and I know it's very, for, I think a lot of people who saw it or it was quickly deleted, but the screenshots last forever as we know. And a lot of people were like sending it to me or talking to me about it. So I understand, of course, that it's drama and it's a, you know, it's a fucking shot. It was not like, you know, that's, that's a personal thing. I think you said it best. Like everything up until this point was very. You're talking about my work, I'll talk about your work. That a comment like that obviously changes the situation, that, that puts you into a new fight.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[A]

But it's, I'm not even calling it a fight for two reasons. One, it's a, it's from 10 years ago. It's something I of course understand lasts forever. It's not something that's just going to disappear ever. But also the idea of people making fun of me or taking shots for it is so old and so low hanging fruit and everyone has done it so much that it genuinely just doesn't affect me the way that I think people would assume it does. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if this was 2018, you know, when Rapaport did it, I was a little more like in my feelings about it now between what he said and the person saying it, I, I just don't, I really don't care. And, and I've said this before on the last couple episodes about something happened in the last like year or so. Whether it was just getting older or my perception at work or whatever. I've reached a point of like, I don't just say I don't care about certain things. I really don't care anymore. It's like I, I was, I didn't go home that day stewing again with Rapaport. I remember being like, I'm gonna fucking. I don't know what I'm going to do. I was so mad, I ended up doing a song. I went in, you know, I was like, I got to go home. I got to, I got my kids, I got shit to do. I'm going to do Some work like it was, it's just not. I just don't find anything productive can come from it. There used to be a time where I was like, it's good for business. I'm going to get a views. I'm going to get people. Fans are going to love it. Like, that's what barstool is, the drama. Like, when I almost saw those things as an opportunity, I was thinking about how we were saying how, like, how rarely you've done that before. I feel like I've done it a million times because I was, like, into it, seeking it out. I never really picked the fights, but when a fight came to me, I'd be like, yeah, and I'm just not that way anymore. I think it was very indicative of, like. I don't think he's a very, like, funny or creative guy. I don't think he's particularly good at this. I think he's.

[C]

I think that's been made clear with.

[A]

I mean, he's doing WNBA team. Yeah. I hate to, like, pick out one thing, but it's like, when you have a take like that, it almost, like, invalidates, like, everything.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless you're doing it for, like, absolute fun. And we're just doing a hypothetical exercise here, but if you pose the. The idea that the WNBA could beat an NBA team and you're from the NBA world, you're either. I don't know what's worse with Pat Beval. All these times, a lot of this stuff, whether it's taking shots at me or the WNBA take or whatever, it's either you're lazy and just doing, like, cheap, or you believe it.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, or that's actually who you are. So I don't know either Pat Bev really feels that way about me, and then it's like, all right, man, you back. Or he doesn't feel that way about me, but he's just using something that he knows is going to get likes and clicks. And I'm like, I think that's worse.

[C]

That's.

[A]

I'd rather you actually.

[C]

Exactly what I think happened. And that's why I think that is so much worse. Or I think he doesn't know who the whole. And he thinks I'm kfc.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's how Dummy is with this company.

[A]

Well, we are also speculating.

[C]

So the.

[A]

The screenshot that has been now is out there. There's two comments from. The first one says:6 minutes ago and it's all fire emojis. And then the comment talking to me is four minutes, so.

[B]

So.

[A]

Meaning the six minute one came first.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And you start the clip being like, I'm a Pat Bev guy, man. And a part of me thinks he press play, saw that was like, oh, fire, fire, fire, fire. And then like 10 seconds later was.

[C]

Like, oh, wait a minute.

[A]

And then either. Either got mixed up because he doesn't know anything about this company, or just took a shot at me while replying to you, which I also hate more.

[C]

Cowardly.

[A]

Yeah, cowardly. Like, if you have a problem with the clip, I mean, I'm laughing in it, I'm laughing about it, I'm in it, so I can't say I'm not a part of it, but, like, I'm not the person. You go out there if you want to respond, you know. No, that's either you're either stupid, cowardly, or lazy or an asshole.

[C]

And all of these things are good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I, I personally think it's. He's just like, farming or whatever. Or farming. Which means you're a lame. Like, if you're just repeating what you think people will, like, you're lame. Or he's just dumb and doesn't understand what his company is and thinks I'm kfc.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so either way, it's really not.

[C]

Worth two years in.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I thought about, like, particularly, like, on your behalf, I just, you know, this idea of, like, what Pat said, that, like, we don't do anything or whatever. I thought about listing it all out. Like, oh, really? Like, here's all the things we've done. And I realized, like, those things, those are. That's a useless, futile exercise. Because like, anything in life, the people who like us and know what we've done, know it and appreciate it and like it, and the people who don't, don't. And if I list it all out, they're still going to hate us. They're still going to talk. So it's like, don't explain yourself in any scenario because the people who, who like you and support you and you want to be with already know it, and the people who don't, don't. And they're never going to be converted. So it's. It's really not worth. Worth the exercise. But, yeah, so I'm going to leave it at that. And, you know, if you're. If you're a Pat Bev fan, the NBA just tipped off. You can go watch his show.

[C]

I don't think exists, but, you know, NBA season's here.

[A]

We got Our NBA guy.

[C]

It seems like we didn't invest way more than Ryan Rossillo, so they'll probably get pushed easily. Another good one by John's carrying the torch on this one.

[A]

Okay, so now that that's out of the way, there was something else.

[B]

Oh, we'll.

[A]

We'll talk first about the. The. Let's talk about Large first, and then we'll do the 7.5 thing. Large went on out and about and then hopped on Fishbowl and was talking about how, you know, Barstool is a little bit of a fantasy world where people get here and they stay forever and they seemingly never get fired. And Large was kind of pointing out that, like, barstool is not going to be forever. Not necessarily the company. Maybe that is forever. But like, your time here, any employees, young employees, like, you started a job, doesn't necessarily mean you finish there. And I think that's pretty well understood in almost like every other professional setting. But Barstool has always kind of felt different. I think it's been such a coveted.

[C]

But I also think it was not. It's not different in every other. Or it wasn't different in every other professional setting. Like, until recently, say more like. I just. I remember when I was looking for a job when I was like 20, and my dad explained to me that he thought he was gonna have a job, one job, his whole life, because that's what his dad had. And he's like, but in the world I grew up in, he's like. He's like.

[A]

I.

[C]

My dad was explaining to me, he's like, my job's changed six times. My office or desk haven't. But like, the company who owns it has and blah, blah, blah.

[A]

But, but, but it's actually a good comparison in the sense like, his name's on the sign.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Your grandfather.

[C]

Right, Right.

[A]

Or did he start.

[C]

Who. What?

[A]

Like, like when your father. When. When your father's father started. I guess he probably.

[C]

It was actually my father's father's father.

[A]

So when your father started, he was already in the family business.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. So I. I think that's almost similar to Barstool in a sense of, like, especially for us, where it's like we started it.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And we built it. And that does feel like I'm going to be here forever maybe.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And there's probably a world where it could happen. I don't think. You know, I would probably be dependent upon salaries and all that stuff.

[C]

I could be surprised.

[A]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it's just nobody does one thing for 40 years.

[C]

I'm understanding of reality and all that stuff. I would be very surprised if it's like if I wasn't somewhat attached to Barstool my entire life.

[A]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say it the other way around that, like. Okay, so you're saying you will be, you think you will be Barcelonal for life?

[C]

I would think so, yeah. I, I, I, I hope so. I'd be very surprised. You know, like, Dave could die. Like Large hasn't the clip. They could die and Dave could sell the company or Dave could do whatever but like from what I desire. Yeah, like I'd be surprised.

[A]

I, I think that's a good way to put it too. Is, is it might, might not happen for a million reasons, but I want it to happen.

[C]

Yeah, like, exactly. There's very few if it's up to me.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right. Well, that's what I mean. It's like it might not be up to you. It might be up to the other person or vice versa and salaries and the mediums that change. There's a million moving parts. But I think the difference with this place versus a lot of places is that people at least want it to be.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean the amount of people who are working a job that they want to get out of is probably 95%.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I think even just being happy where you're at and the idea of like, I hope I stay here is super duper rare. Yeah. And then it actually happening is even more rare than that. So. But I, I think it's in what, what Large brings up. Like, it's an interesting point that he brings up. If for no other reason, then it's just the life cycle. Like it, it's, it's 20 years old, 21 years old now. So like when, you know, can drag, it's, it's just very, like when, you know, when a company's only 5 or 10 years old, it' we're just getting started. And then when it's 12 to like 15 years old, we're like, we've arrived, we're here, we're selling it, we're making, you know, and then after that it's like, I don't know, maybe it comes, it goes. Who know? Like there's, it's just uncertain at this point as far as what the future may hold or may look like. I think as long as Dave's alive, there will be some element of Barstool, but I don't know. Sometimes I hear him on unnamed and he was like, he said it the other day. He was like kind of saying, like, the reason I'm here is because if I'm gone, what happens to all these people? He was like. And of course he picks on the dog. He's like, what is, what would Nate do if I was dead? And.

[C]

But I mean, yeah, no, he's right. But also any owner of a business can say that.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Like, right.

[A]

For sure. And also there's a world where like, he probably could take a step back or quote, unquote, retire or whatever, and it would, it would still continue in some fashion. It probably wouldn't be the juggernaut that it is if Dave wasn't leading the charge. But, you know, again, it's a good comparison to like your, your family business or a law firm or something where it's like, if the top dog, like takes a step back and the new guys take over, it's not going to be the same. Yeah, but it still exists, Still a thing.

[C]

I, I think like, everything, it'll be different, but it'll be the same, bro.

[A]

That's, that's kind of in the discussion we have with Dante. I wish we articulated it and summed it up that way, because we're talking, you know, with Dante, we're talking conspiracies and politics and all these things. And it's like, I'm not saying that these issues don't matter. I don't want to be one of those guys who's like, who cares? It's like, these are very important things. As a matter of fact, some of them are the most important things. But it's also never going to really affect my day to day life in my 80 years on this planet. So then who cares if I lived for a thousand years? Like, maybe I'd have to start worrying about this. But by the time I'm, I blink, I'm dead and the world keeps spinning.

[C]

So I will control what I can control while I'm here.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Otherwise, what do you want me to do?

[A]

Exactly. And I, and I think that kind of applies to barstool as well. And like, but I, I do think we're, we're reaching, you know, probably for the first time once, you know, Alex Cooper and Pat McAfee, those are like the, the outliers, right. Those are maybe never happen again. And if they do, it's lightning in a bottle a handful of times, you know, but then I look at like Karabis and Coley and some of the, the people who weren't megastars. Who moved on and they all, they're doing fine too. And it's like there's only been a couple of those people. Yeah. You know, in the whole history of this company. And so, but, and I just, as time goes on that numbers are naturally going to increase. People get older, people change passions, people, you know, whatever. So I just think it will be interesting as time goes on to see if people do, you know, choose a different path or whatever because it's been a pretty long time with very little of that. I mean, I think that's a testament to Barstool that there's very few people who do like, leave. There are people who Dave chooses for them and then they have to keep going with their career and they may end up doing fine. Like, I guess, like I was looking at Mean Girls is a good example. Like they didn't like leave the way Alex Cooper left. They were fired. Right. Or they went out sued, whatever it was. I just remember because they, it ended with Dave being like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it might have been more. We're not, we're not going to re. Offer. Offer you a new contract.

[C]

Show up at that thing.

[A]

They didn't show up. They. Yeah, they didn't show up. And then they blew me off, actually. It was funny. The straw that broke the camel's back was like them being disrespectful to me.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They called me and said we asked them to be judges in a talent show. A beauty. It was like the only fans beauty pageant thing. And yeah. The only balls thing. And they were like, I'm in. And then didn't. Then they no showed and didn't call or text me explaining. And Dave like, was like, I heard that's what happened. Is that the case? And I said, yeah. And I remember him just being like, okay, then they're done. And I was like, wait, what'd you say?

[B]

That was quick.

[A]

That was a. But that's a good example. Like she has the success with her baby and her new man and like, so there's just more examples of those things, good and bad, more examples of it happening as Barstow gets older. And I think largest point is probably more applicable and correct for these new people he specified, like the 22 year olds. Right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

People like us who have been in it forever have way more of an incentive and way more of a probability that they continue to be attached to it. But if you start now, it's. It's probably like any other job where it's like, this is where I started.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, and I stay here and. But I probably won't because, folks, it's the foreplay. Guys, let's talk Truly Unruly. When you spend every day following the.

[C]

Countless laws of golf like us, it's.

[A]

Refreshing to get a little unruly.

[C]

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[D]

I didn't really understand. Yeah. Why it was like, misinterpret.

[C]

Yeah. Like, I, I haven't. The way people are discussing it, it seems like, oh, who's large talking about?

[A]

Who's large talking about fans or people here?

[C]

I. The way people here talking about it makes me think that's the way fans are talking.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, I didn't, I didn't think that at all.

[C]

I didn't think that at all either. I think, I think it's just a factual statement. I don't think he's like, young kids aren't grinding. I think he's just kind of getting experience and speaking about how, like the.

[A]

World goes, maybe it's being perceived as like A Gen Z vs Gen X sort of thing because he's old and bald. But also those are the people that can say those things.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, that's a guy who has changed careers like, you know, a couple times, two, three times, and can tell you I was that kid who like, thought I was going to be a traitor for my whole life. Thought I was going to be a serious XM radio host my whole life. And like, things change.

[C]

Do people, like, generally think about what they're going to do for their whole life? Like, I've never had something where I'm like, bro, I've had things when I'm happy and things like that. But like, I've never been like, this.

[A]

Is what I'm doing.

[C]

I guess. I guess barstool. But like, but, but within barstool. I've never been like, I'm a Blogger till I die. I'm a podcast till I die. I'm a sketch guy till I die. I'm gonna do different here because that's fun to do.

[D]

Well, that's when I start to like, like panic is when I think like, okay, well how am I gonna have like a career like 10 years down the line? Like, what am I gonna be doing like the whole time? I just, I just gotta do it day by day.

[C]

Yeah, totally.

[D]

Like something. I, I don't think that anything like in kind of what Large is saying, like anytime I've ever planned something, like I would be a professional soccer player right now. Like all that. Like every time I plan something, it's, it's never how it works out. But then I always like it better.

[C]

And you got also like, like you can't really. You always kind of use an example like this like planning like a big night out. Like those are never. The fun night out has to just kind of happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And like that's how you should approach life too is like, like, I don't know. This is. Today was a good night. I will see what happens tomorrow.

[A]

The only thing you can control though is that you got to go out.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And I think that's the big.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

Like you can't control the details, but you do have to. So like you can't commit. Like you said to like, or what you just said, like podcasting, sketching, whatever. Like you can't necessarily say what that's going to be. But your, your version of going out is I'm gonna do something. Right? Be doing something on camera or behind the camera or whatever it is.

[C]

And that. And I think that's really what Large was saying that, that, that's what resonated with me the most from the clip is what's at the start of it when he's like, you gotta dance like no one's watching. Which, you know, if you grew up in an Irish household, it's all you know, but the like that's kind of everyone here dances like someone's watching because they are like commenters and stuff like that.

[A]

And they're not only watching. It's like dance like someone's watching and critiquing you and you're really telling why.

[C]

They'Re invested in what they have to say. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's the double edged sword of barstool. It's like, you know, if, if you're on the wrong side of it, it sucks. I've been there many times where it's like I wish there were no comments. I wish there was no interaction. I wish there was no feedback. I wish. But.

[C]

But no, the feedback and stuff. All that's good.

[A]

Good. All that should be allowed. And I just wanted to be. I wish it was not bad, but. But there are people. People out there who. Who are getting no traction trying to do this that would kill for even nasty comments or nasty interaction or whatever.

[C]

Just.

[A]

They want something. It's like the old, you know, you just don't want indifference. Like, love, hate. Indifference is the. Or apathy is the problem, which I always.

[C]

I always. I've heard that phrase. I feel like that's a big one at barstool. Like, the haters listen to Stern for 10 minutes.

[A]

That's. That's made up. That. That's made up to make you feel better about when. Like when you. When someone. When someone says something nasty to you or, like, kills you in a comment, and then you see that person in the comments, like, thanks for the engagement. That is the biggest L you can take.

[C]

Well, this is.

[A]

This is how helping the algorithm actually.

[C]

Oh, you.

[A]

That's. That's your answer, like, you loser. That's not. You know, but still, like.

[C]

Like the phrase, like, whatever. Like. Like, again, like, haters. Tune in for 10. Whatever. It's.

[B]

You.

[C]

Don't you want to be loved or hated? You want to be indifferent? I always heard those phrases my entire career, and I'm always like, I feel.

[A]

Like I breed indifference. Yeah. Embrace mediocrity, man.

[C]

I feel like everyone's probably pretty indifferent.

[A]

No, but I don't think that's true. I know what you mean, but I don't think people feel that way about you. I think when. When. If you were. If you had true indifference, you would know it and feel it. You know what I mean? Like, there. There are people taking interest in what you do and what you say, even if it doesn't, like, feel directly like it's happening, you know? Because there are people out there who are literally just, like, shouting into the abyss, and it's like no one is.

[D]

Listening, and you're getting more opinionated, as we've talked about.

[C]

I still don't think I'm opinionated.

[D]

Okay. I feel like you keep taking it as an insult.

[C]

I know. I. I don't think you. I. I'm not insulted by it at all. I just don't like, you know what you are.

[A]

You're. You're opinionated about not having opinions.

[C]

I'm opinionated that you don't know what the. You're talking about? Yeah, because most opinions, you. I don't mean you. I mean anyone. I'm talking the royal.

[A]

The most opinions these days on the Internet are attached to something that nobody knows what they're talking about.

[C]

Yeah, that's the.

[A]

If someone's on the Internet just being like, I like the color blue, and you're like, blue, I like pink better. It's like, okay, we can just do this. You know, it's when someone is saying their opinion so defiantly and, and, and proclaiming it and you know that they.

[C]

Don'T know what the fuck, didn't do any research.

[A]

Again, you'll hear. This exact thing plays out in the Dante interview. That's when it's like my opinion now becomes your opinion. Yeah, it's not an opinion. You're saying something like, as if it's a fact, and it's not saying, shut up.

[C]

None of us know what the fuck we're talking about. Let's just have a good time.

[A]

You're the king of this. This is, this should be like your, your revolution, your mantra. Because you always say this. Put your name on it. Say, I don't like, or I disagree. I think that's wrong. Or whatever. It's when everyone says they speak they or. Or. It just is. This is the fact. It's right, it's wrong, we're good, they're bad, whatever. Or the Taylor Swift's the best example, like, nobody cares about this, so you don't care about this and say that, you know?

[D]

Yeah, you just don't like. You don't like the days.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. What's my pronouns, like I, I, you, not he, they, whatever.

[D]

You know why I think it stands out to me is because I'm. I'm not an opinionated person. And so then when I get in my head being like, I should form an opinion, I think of my dear friend John, who, you know, is like, I don't care. Like, go with the flow. But then seeing you, like, you know, take political stances and everything, I think, do I have to start?

[A]

You know, John's your North star, your guiding light. Should I have an opinion today? Yes, John.

[C]

Okay, I'll have one.

[A]

Yeah, I, I don't. I, I think it's not even. Not about, like, not having opinions, because everyone has opinions. You say that, but you do have opinions. It's about, like, whether or not I voice them. Like, I'm a authority figure. That's the problem. You know, you could get up there and say the dumbest thing in the world if you're just like, that's what I think I'd be like, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All right.

[C]

You're a what? My opinion is. Yeah, right.

[D]

Wait, can I say another thing about the going out?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know if guys, like, relate to this, but on that metaphor also, my best nights are the nights that I, like, like, didn't finish straightening my hair in time, and I look gross, and I'm like, I look greasy and everything. And then I'm like, it, like, let's just. I'm just gonna drink, and then I'll feel better about how I look. And then I go out and I have the most fun. But the nice one. I'm all done up, and I think, oh, my God, everyone's gonna think, who's this gorgeous girl who just walked in the bar? I'm gonna have so much fun. I'm gonna own the night. Never fun.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's always, like, whenever you think you're ready, there's something there. Whenever. When you don't think you're ready, it's.

[C]

Actually, you are ready.

[A]

That's what you're ready to go.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I, I, that's been a long standing, like, take of mine.

[B]

Is that the.

[A]

I don't know if we officially said it. We kind of glossed over the idea of, like, when you try to have a big night, when you try to make a fun night or recapture a previous fun night. Never works. It's when you just go out on a whim. And I've always thought that. But I did think about the girls because that's just not how they roll. Like, we can, Whether we sit on the couch or go out, it's gonna be the same thing. You know what I mean? Like, we're gonna look the same. We can just get up and go for them. It's like, it's not as easy to do it on a whim, or if they do it on a whim, they have to, like, unfortunately kind of accept, like, all right, I'm gonna, like, look ugly tonight. You know?

[C]

Like, I've, I've called a girl and been like, what are you doing? She's like, nothing. I'm like, it's like 2 o' clock in the afternoon. I go drunk and then we go get drunk and we have, yeah, an awesome three, four days, bro.

[A]

That's how I, I got, I got married, bro. I got, I got married off of that. I met Caitlin on a, On a Sunday Funday at, like, the biggest dive bar. I'm pretty sure. Both of us were, like, unshowered and whatever. I was meeting the owner of Tin Lizzy to, like, I think, collect a little bit of money. It was like, I wasn't even going out for the day. It's just like, I'll stop by. And then I ended up staying and we met, hit it off, ended up getting married, didn't work out. But it, for the, you know, in that stage, it was awesome.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that.

[C]

And that.

[A]

That was a big part of it where I was just like, I like your style.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that's how we met. And, you know, maybe had I met her at like, a gala where we were all done up, I don't know, it would have been, you know, the same thing.

[C]

But you gotta be outside.

[A]

You gotta. You gotta be outside.

[C]

You gotta be outside. Yeah, we were kind of talking about this fucking yesterday on Fishbowl, because we were talking about being outside today is more important than it's ever been because.

[A]

We were talking about so trapped inside.

[C]

Like, AI on Fishbowl, and. And, like, everyone's going to know everything and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was saying, and I think I was right in saying this, like, yeah, if you're in a room and nine people can tell you about the Mona Lisa, because they looked at it and I looked at it on AI, but you're the one who was there, and you maybe have something to add to the conversation that they didn't learn on AI that they. You learned because you were there because you fucking bumped into a person you were standing next to, and it turns out that, like, their great uncle is from the town that they painted in or whatever. And you're like, I learned a little bit about, like, you can only learn that being there. Yeah, you can only learn that being outside.

[A]

Yep, gotta go outside. Gotta go outside. Got. Gotta go out for the night. And then, you know, let the chips fall where they may, but you gotta go. And. And I think to bring it back to Barstool, like the. You know, when. I don't think I've ever planned anything in my life. Me, like, I'm trying to even go back to pre Barstool. I. I was in college. It was like senior year, maybe junior year, I don't know. But it was like, okay, it's time to start figuring out your job. Right. And I had a lot of friends who are very driven and motivated guys who were like, I got friends who were, like, doing internships starting, like, freshman year, you know, like, really focused on it. And I Remember being like, all right, it's time to do that. And went to, like, the career fair once and was sort of. I basically just, like, my friends all went into finance, so I was like, I'm all go that way, too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If they were all, like, going to law school, I probably would have been like, I guess I have to be a lawyer, too. Like, I was that. I was that open of like. Actually, I guess it's a little bit of a lie. I went. I did the radio at Fordham.

[D]

So.

[A]

Okay, so this is interesting. I think I. I tried to make a plan. I think I was like, I want to be in sports media. And I went and I worked at the radio for, like, almost like 18 months, let's say. And I realized just how little money is in it, just how, like, few jobs there are. They're like, if you want to be, like, on air in New York, like, you gotta wait for. You gotta wait for Mike Francesa to die.

[B]

You gotta wait.

[A]

You know, like, stuff like that. So that was like, all right. I attempted to plan something and it didn't work. So now I'm just gonna go with the flow, you know? And then even after that, it was like, I. I realized I was able. I was gonna be able to. To graduate early for whatever reason, got some extra credits and stuff. And they. They came to me and they're like, you can do this MBA program. And I was just like, all right, okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I got a job at Deloitte, like, literally because of one of those, like, monster.comcareerbuilder.com emails. It's like I had signed up for, like, a career building thing, and they. I just got like, a spam. Not spam, but it was just like a inbound email. Being like, we're. We're hiring. I like, like, click on the salary. So it was like 55, 60 grand or something. I was like, okay. And that's it. Like, and then. And then from there, like, barstool. I've told that story a million times. I kind of just fell ass backwards into that. I've never. I never had a. You know, people ask me, like, did you go to journalism school? Did you do this? Did you. It all just kind of happened.

[C]

I don't make choices. I. I, like, you said like, I'm like, I got picked up by the Crane Claw.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's just like, drop you over here. Like, you moved to, like, you're a blogger now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was like, all right, you're gonna do podcasting. What is that. Yeah. Just talking with Mike, I'm like, all right, fine. Totally. It's like, you're in first class now. You're like, all right, nice. All right, whatever. You're doing sketches now. You're like, fine, whatever.

[A]

I'm just. I'm just like a little. I'm like a sex toy. Use me.

[C]

You know, just put me this hole that.

[A]

Whatever, dude.

[C]

You know? Yeah, all right, fine.

[B]

I'll do.

[C]

I'll do the thing. I'll do the thing. You leave me alone once I do the thing. Fine.

[A]

The only thing I will say that ended up. It was not. It was not on purpose, but I remember do. When I was writing, there was a point where I was, like, writing, podcasting, hosting the radio, and I was doing, like, storyboards and, like, little documentary type things. And I did have a moment where I was like, what I. What I learned at the radio. I'm applying right now. Not. Not by design. I wasn't like, one day I'm gonna use these things. But I was like, oh, I remember writing similar things like this. I remember speaking like this. Oh, I'm kind of comfortable in front of a mic. Like, all of that was. It was almost like I Miyagi myself. I was like, oh, I'm actually a little bit more prepared for this. But never by design. It was always just like, oh, that. That ended up.

[C]

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[C]

Article I was reading on on the show, the article about marriage. So I read an article about marriage recently that was very interesting. Marriage is doing great.

[A]

Marriage is bad marriage, right? The numbers are like way through the roof. Like every everything is.

[C]

It's like 86 of married people would consider themselves extremely happy in the marriage. Like I, I was like marriage has some bad pr because I thought but it's not.

[A]

But now it's got good pr. It's new, but you're gonna see a lot more of that. Yeah, okay, I've seen.

[C]

But I was reading the reason I brought it up. I was reading that article and it was talking about basically all the the past problems with marriage and why they understood why millennials were hesitant to get into marriage. But I think like a lot of males getting married now and why millennials were hesitant because our whole lives we were told half of them fail, you lose half your money, you don't get the kids, yada yada. And it was explaining that and it was like, it was like, there's no doubt there is toxic problems with marriage that existed in the past, but we as people are doing a pretty good job correcting them. We as American people that like the like I said, 86 of people are considered extremely happy. The was it in a man is doing 65 of the job of a wife now, which is way up from 30. Like the rest of the world is still like down at 30. Now the husband does like 65 of the job of the wife, which is a good amount. But then it was talking about like things that used to happen in the past. And yet they get why both sexes are reluctant to join a marriage. You know, women were pretty trapped in them men bro, if, if a woman loses her job, they're in a marriage. If a woman loses her job, the future is unchanged. The future of the wedding is marriage is unchanged.

[A]

Doesn't mean anything.

[C]

If the man loses his job, there is a 70 chance they get divorced next year. And it was going like, yeah, I get why guys were little fudgeing hesitant and again I get why women were hesitant because the guy's doing 30% of the work and like. But I was like oh that's a big fucking number. Like so your job. You're almost guaranteed to lose your family next year. That's a lot of stress problem.

[A]

I mean that I feel like is that doesn't surprise me. Yeah like knowing just how it works and what I felt in the dynamic like I'm almost surprised that numbers. That's low. Yeah that that's a lot of pressure I think you know not. Not to you know woe is me because everybody who's just like a white middle class American male as a leg up and yada yada. I know all that. But man there's a lot of pressure on dudes. A lot of stuff that I think just gets like yeah no he'll. I think the biggest. I think the people who do have problems or maybe I'm projecting but it's like I felt it very difficult, very difficult to wear both hats and be like it was expected to you be the modern man and do 65% of the work and but then there were times where it was like man up and be a man and make the money. And it was like I'm trying to do both but obviously when you do a little bit more of this like that's going to go down. When you do a little more of this that's going to go down and it's expected to. You just do it all. I think I. I think it's good that we both genders wear both hats now. But I think it's hard like you gotta. And that's so new. I think we got to wait for the ramifications of that as well. Right.

[C]

Because I do but the other like the America is the only place it's happening. So shout out America. Like in like the particularly in the eastern world. Like no one has made the changes that yeah. That American men have to increase their.

[A]

Gen. You know what they're family life workload.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It was specifically citing like Korea and Japan and stuff like that. But like their numbers are still. Their divorce numbers are still crazy high because the men haven't stepped up but American men have.

[A]

That's right. Give us credit.

[C]

We want, we want more Credit. We're doing 65% of the work now, baby.

[A]

But for real though, when you think about if a guy's doing 65% of.

[C]

The work but you 100% of the work outside the house that's what I was gonna say.

[A]

Like, like in a perfect world, it would be like, well, wow, men are doing 65% and obviously at home and now and you're. And, and the wife is also earning 65% of the way of the money we need. You know, I think a lot of times we, the, this is all again, stereotypical general easy.

[C]

Yeah. That's a broken test.

[A]

It is not.

[C]

I was raised. I'll defend that to the death, bro.

[A]

I was one for like two weeks on protecting paternity leave and I was like, get the out of here.

[C]

No, thank you.

[A]

But I, I just think that there's a heavy, put it this way. I think there's a much heavier expectation on men to now be progressive at home. A more, a more heavy expectation of that than for women to be an earner. Like, like you just said, like, if, if you're in a marriage here.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Good, good. Like if a woman loses her job in this study, like, it doesn't change anything, you know?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So inherently, like, think about that the other way. If a man is now doing 65 of the job that a woman does and he were to like, lose that job, somehow I stopped doing it. Whatever it would be, it would affect the home life.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Whereas I think it's still if, you know, the expectation is not like, we, I need you to make like half the money. You know what I mean?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it's like, you need to do half the work at home. But I don't think guys, or, or the earner, I guess I should say, if it's men or women, whoever the breadwinner is, is turning around and be like, and you also got to make half the money.

[C]

Yeah. Guys have been scared to bring that.

[A]

Up for a minute.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You can tell I'm stuttering and stammering over it because I already know what the response is going to be because people are just going to take it wrong. But I'm just saying it's like.

[C]

No, you're making logical sense. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I understand what you're saying where it's like, yeah, the, But I, I can say because I'm not involved in one.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You said in my hypothetical, hypothetical situation, if I was doing 65 of the work at home, I would not expect, but I would appreciate the other, you know, we, we got to make 100 somehow. Yeah. You know, I'd appreciate that. But again, I'm not in the hypothetical.

[B]

So I don't give a.

[A]

Right. But it is, it's interesting. I Also think that a lot of the. I think the bad PR of marriage is now making marriage better.

[C]

I get that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I think a lot of people are, like, seeing so much of the divorce doom. Content that they're more prone to be like, it's not that bad.

[C]

Yeah, right. Like.

[A]

Like, maybe I'm not perfectly happy, but, boy, like, this study says they want to kill themselves, and this study says, like, no one's getting married. Like, I'm pretty happy. And I think it almost in. It encourages you to be, like, 80%. I'm extremely happy. And it's like, I think that might be a little bit inflated because it's. It's the pendulum swinging back from things being so negative. But it's also. I think it's a real thing. I think.

[C]

But it also had, like. Like the. The article also was talking about the. Just the Ben. Like, just the emotional benefits of it. And again, they were. It was all based on studies, so they were, like, showing the evidence and. And honestly, everything. All the rest. Everything's, like, pretty sexist, where it's like, women are happier that they have time and children and, like, money, and men are happier that they have love and support, and it's like, that's awful. I thought that was all the stuff we were railing against. Right?

[A]

What do you mean?

[C]

Just like. Like, women were happier to have financial support and not financial.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Providing. And men were happy to have just, like, care and comfort. And I was like, yeah, I bet all those things are good. But I feel like I was kind of taught that we're not supposed to like those things by both. Yeah. Sexes. Like, women aren't supposed to like being cared for, and men aren't supposed to like being doted on.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Like that. No, we're both being sexist to each other.

[A]

They're getting much. Everything's getting much more traditional. Again, the pendulum swings back where it's like, I think there's a lot of women who are like, I think we overdid the feminist thing a little bit. Like, it would be nice to, like, have a man who's like.

[C]

But also not like. Like, there's all, like, we were talking about, like, on the Howard Stern show when we were growing up, and it's like, look at this ug. They were like, yeah, that part probably needed to be.

[A]

That part is for sure good. I think that it's. It's what just happened to Taylor Swift. It's like, now the. The feminists characterizing, like, settling down with a man as being like, Some trad wife maga loser who like, gave up their life. You know what I mean? That I think is going away. I think those are the extreme. I think, I think there are women who are like, feminists who would hate the Howard Stern type stuff, but would also be like, I would love to marry, like a man who supports me.

[D]

I also think that, like, there's been more of that. Like, there's more like the man is able to dedicate 100 because, like, the woman takes care of everything. Like, I feel like now there's been light on, like, how important of a role that is and that the only reason the man is able to thrive is because the woman. Yeah, I'm probably saying the wrong whatever. So, like, I feel like maybe it's been more com.

[C]

I get what you're saying where like, again, I can say all this because I'm not involved in it. But so this is all just who knows? But like, I guess if you're trying to have like a man and a woman do both roles, it's kind of like if you got two quarterbacks, you don't have one.

[A]

I, I, I've always thought it's great that we're more involved. I think like 65% is probably like a good number. Like, like, I, I think there's still, I think it's very hard for both people to do everything.

[C]

Yeah, I, I always think it should.

[A]

Be like, I do a little bit more of this and you do a little bit more of that because it's hard to wear both hats and to do everything. And I think it probably used to be easier or it's like my nine to five or nine to nine, five, six, seven days a week is hell. But I come home and I don't do a thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because dinner and all that just done. And then the flip side is, but then losing your mind, taking care of your kids, but I don't have to go to work in the fucking coal mine, you know? So I think everyone kind of recognized that now we're meeting in the middle and that's ultimately a good thing. But you also have to remember all this we've been doing for a fraction of a second. Like, when would you say that? That like, if you go back to like the 1800s. I wouldn't even call like, those marriages you can like, talk, you know, I mean, I would say like, so in Maybe like the 50s and 60s is when I think of like, that's like an American family, like a normal one started.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Post Industrial Revolution, post War, all that. So that's really only like a couple generations of how are we supposed to do this marriage thing?

[C]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, it's pretty. It's a very modern thing that we're dealing with where it's, you know, we've only done this. I can only look to like my parents and like, maybe my grandparents. Anything beyond that is like, that doesn't apply.

[C]

I was, I was talking about my mom, talking to my mom about that article and I, I was like, I was like, the 65 thing's funny because, like, I could see if dad started trying to be like 90 of the parent, you'd be like, get the.

[A]

Yeah, that's the other thing. Sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen.

[C]

It's like I'm raising this kid. Yeah, you get the out of here. Like, you get. You. You'll like. I again, thinking myself, I think my parents had pretty standard gender roles where my dad. Yeah, very important as well, but mostly involved in like the sports. Like, that's where I. Me and my dad's relationship was really birthed. My mom was at home and I like, I think if he was trying to like, help me stuff at home.

[A]

She'D be like, off.

[C]

This is my office. Yeah, you get the out of here.

[D]

Saying that she would love one Christmas. All the dads have to put on the Christmas.

[C]

You know what I also like, it's like all. Again, all like the traditional stuff you've seen in movies. Like, we're in the kitchen, Mom's like, get the fuck out of here. You are in my way.

[A]

But you know what leads that leads to a lot of times is. And I see this, I hear this a lot. I've seen this on. By the way, people who watch that show Couples Therapy are sick in the head. Have you ever seen that? No, I've seen clips of it. I can't imagine ever sitting down and watching it. It's just, it's. Well, it's supposed to be real life. I'm sure by now it's a popular enough show that they're faking it or over exaggerating. But it's supposed to just be like you're watching a couple do couples there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is sickening. That's like. That's like watching Saw in my mind. You want to watch like other couples fight, like, oh my God, you're nuts. But I always see a lot of the same thing of like. And this is if you have like problems in your relationship, I'm sure there's plenty of Happy people who are fine, but guys, women who, like, say their guy doesn't do anything, and then the guy's like, well, every time I do it, you say I did it wrong or it's not the way you like it done. And so I just let you do it. You know what I mean? Because, like, every time I did do something, I was criticized or chastised, and it just leads to, like. Like, if you. If you want a. A partner to contribute on this side or that side, you have to let them do that in their way. Like, you can't be like, I need your help, but it has to be perfectly my way, because other than then, then it's like, you just do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. If you don't like the way I load the dishwasher, then fudgeing. Load the dishwasher. Because every time I do do it, you're, like, you know, chirping at me.

[C]

But there's also, like, doing more. Like, if I'm doing the laundry and you don't like the way I fold, like, I can. I can change the way I fold. Sure, I can. I can.

[A]

But I think. I think it's more. When I. When I was folding the laundry, you told me I did it wrong. When I was doing the dishes, you told me I did it wrong. It's. It's not just the one thing. It's like everything I do is wrong. Yeah, then you fucking do it yourself. I'm not saying that's a healthy way to do it. I'm just saying that's I think what ends up happening. And I think. And that's what more of that comes with when you start sharing each other's roles.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When it you. Nobody was telling the man how to work, and he wasn't telling her how to cook and clean, because they were. They didn't do it at all. You know, now it's like you have your own opinions and your own styles and your own ways. Just got a box in the mail the other day. Got a new Simplisafe security system that I'm going to be setting up at my house. It was time to upgrade. As I'm doing all the renovations and everything, it was time to upgrade the alarm system. And so I hit up Simply Safe. Boom. All arrives in a box. It looks like a shoe box, and it's got everything you need in there. All the cameras, all of the sensors, alarms, all that in a box. Easy instructions for either you to set it up yourself or you can call for a Simplisafe. Technician and they'll handle it. But easy enough that you can do it at home all by yourself with just one little box that gets delivered to your house. It's different because it has alarms and sensors that help you prevent the crime from even happening. Old school alarm systems are just like. Once someone's in your house and stealing your stuff and you're tied up, then it's too late. The police show up, but it's too late. Simply safe is here to stop it from even happening. Once if people are outside your home and they're lurking, it sets off the sensor, sets off the triggers, contacts real security agents and they take action while the intruder is still outside. They confront the intruder. They let them know that they're being watched on camera. The police are on their way. It announces it with a loud siren and a spotlight if you need it. And whoever's trying to break in your house is like, I got to get the hell out of here. So that's how you stop crime before it starts. That is what real security is, not. The other security systems that rely on you to basically handle everything simply say is monitoring agents have your back and talk to intruders even if you're not there. So you're safe when you're at home. You're safe when you're away from home. Simplisafe takes care of all of it. Right now you can get 50% off on SimpliSafe when you go to SimpliSafe.com KFC Radio make sure you do the full thing Radio. It's S I M p l I safe.com KFC radio for a 50% percent discount on a home security system. Today there's no safe like simply safe. Do you think that the. Do you think that dating apps and matchmakers have improved the what dating apps and, and matchmakers like being able to like pick your partner in a more scientific matter?

[C]

I think no.

[B]

No.

[C]

I think no because I as my. The only thing I'm opinion about is I don't know what the I'm talking about. But my opinion would be that like, I think that made it too easy to. I always remember learning about arranged marriages.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And arranged marriages are far more successful than love marriages. And they're far more successful because people get in arranged marriages know that they take work and like. So a love marriage is like way happier at the start and arranged marriage is way sadder at the start. But pretty quickly they cross paths and they start going the other way. Because people who are in arranged marriage know I gotta work on this, to make this make us happy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Whereas love marriage is what we understand is like a culture in a society. It's like, once you're in love, that's. You won the jackpot. Like, yeah, it's over now. Now just relax and let it all sink in. And obviously it's not how it works. And so those plummet while the range marriages go up. Whereas I think with the more options, you keep looking for that love. Yeah. More than going, I think I can make something work with this person.

[A]

I agree with everything you just said, but I'm also wondering if the apps and the access makes you. I think when you, like, you know, the phrase used to be like, settling down. It's almost like I settled. You know what I mean? It was like, you live in a town, there's only so many guys or girls to pick from. You're like, this one's good enough.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Versus I think if you're like, I have a million people to pick from and that's the one. And you pick that one and then it's. That person's not what you expected. Like, it's not. You're not as happy. I think that probably hits, like, harder.

[C]

And it's easier for you to go, dude, there's a fucking million. It's like how we watch, like, movies now where, like, you watch the first five minutes.

[A]

Stinks on it.

[C]

You're out. Like, I got a million more on Netflix I can do rather than like, there's only four, but Blockbuster.

[A]

So. Right, okay, wait. Process elimination. And then you finally figure out the one. Like, you already have your types. They list them out on like, like height, like their preferences, how they dress. You see it all there. You have 15 options there. You try the first 14, and then the 15th one, you're like, oh, that's the one that's going to work. You've already, like. Yeah. Crossed out all the bad things that you don't, like, dialed it down. You find the one and then you try to make that work. I feel like that could improve.

[C]

I think it certainly could, but it's just like, I think people will. Would get too into the like, ah, let's get a new one.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, if you go through 15, why not 16? Yeah. Like, so. But I think to keep with your TV comparison, I'm thinking. Okay, I would. I think that on television now and movies and streaming, there's so many choices and. And the bar has been raised, I think, as far as the quality of shows. Right, right. In general, like, so I think that. How do I word this? It's like TV we used to watch back then is probably objectively like those actual shows are not as well made as some of the.

[C]

I would disagree with that, I guess. I guess like then, then the tasks, then the. Okay, but most of the shows that.

[A]

We used to watch on like cbs, abc, NBC, whatever, like there was some gems there for sure that were amazing. But for the most part, we turned on some pretty formulaic cookie cutter dramas, procedurals, dramas and comedies.

[C]

Right.

[A]

That you can catch a, a show on a streaming thing now that's like a masterpiece. But I think like what we felt watching TV back then, whether the show is objectively better or worse, we sat down to watch it in front of the tv. Like, it's amazing. You know what I mean?

[C]

There was more to it than that. I, and I think because it was maybe because it was broadcast television, stuff like that. Like, like they used to always really hammer home, like, I'm inviting you into my home. Like what I'm watching on tv. Like, right. That's how he talked about like Conan.

[A]

And Letter Carson, spending time with them.

[C]

They're in my home. And I, I don't think we have that because we don't have like a shared experience. So that's not watching live stuff as much. So it's not like a. There's there. It is very silly, I admit that. But like there is a communal experience to watching tv.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And I think it's hard now when.

[A]

Everyone'S on their own agenda.

[C]

When everyone's on there, even like when you're watching the game and like the streaming's a little off, it doesn't really matter. But you do feel like, like I, I'm scared to go on Twitter because I might be behind everyone else. So like, you're not like, I'm watching this with everyone.

[A]

Yeah. You're not like engrossed in it. But I think my point is like, if I'm trying to wedge this analogy in here, it's like if you think of the, your potential partner as the TV shows, it's like back then they were kind of like a network sitcom versus now is like a ten episode streaming attempted. Whether it's good or not. It's like it's supposed to be like a masterpiece. So that's kind of like your partners. And while you might be trying to find your masterpiece, create your masterpiece by going through your apps and weeding everything out. Bottom line is like the, the vibe and the feeling back then Was better.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like you might be like, old school TV is like, settling down with the person from your town and your high school, where it's like, maybe it's not perfect, but you're happy because it's just like, yeah, this is. I don't know. This is what I wanted. This is what we're doing versus the. The ability to pick your partner is now making your standards higher. Your criticism's higher. It changes the whole point. Of what? Of trying to court someone. Right. You know, but I'm not articulating it well, but it's almost just like, back then there was less choices and. And. But you still ended up just happier because you were, like, not over obsessing and analyzing the way I think apps and all that make you.

[C]

Do they make you, like, over consume? Yeah.

[D]

I feel like it's like kind of what we're saying about, like, you gotta play that you gotta go out, you gotta put yourself out there type thing, like. Because I do think it's about, like, feeling a connection. And it's like. And it's. So then maybe you're picking somebody who has, but you're also still at the end of the day, judging based on the connection. But you got to put yourself out there. So it doesn't give you the ability. What.

[A]

Gotta be outside.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it gives you the ability to go outside more.

[A]

What. What. What do you think is the word to describe when you really click with somebody? Because I. I've been thinking about this recently. Not only not not just romance, like, everything. Like Charlie Sheen is what brought it up recently. To me, it's like, I could not be more different than that guy in terms of, like, our experiences in life and stuff. But I could chill with Charlie Sheen, I think. Vibe. Yeah, it is a vibe. And the same thing with girls. It's like there are just some girls and probably guys that you just, like, click with. Like, all the jokes are working and all of the vibe is right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And it's like, I could meet someone who's more similar to me in a literal sense than Charlie Sheen, but the vibe's just off. Like, you're not a bad dude, and it's not right or wrong, better or worse. It's just, like, mean. You don't totally click. And I think that happens with women or dating or even, like, work. It's like we went through a lot of different producers over the years, and, like, it just works with Jackie and Pabs.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They Don't. It's not necessarily like, you're harder workers or smarter or more talented or better. In a lot of ways, you guys.

[C]

Are worse in, like, every facet.

[A]

In some ways, you are those things. In some ways, you're worse, better, Whatever you want to describe it, but it's just like, it just. We're uncomfortable. It's a comfortability. It's like I can record in front of you and not. I can mess up and flub a line or whatever. And I'm, like, not worried. It just works, you know, to me, that was always a big thing in content is like, am I nervous around my producer? As if they're like the audience and I got to get it right or make them laugh or whatever. Or are they just like my producer, like, my partner in this? And, like, you guys did that very well. And I think that's a big part of relationships is like, maybe, you know, that's. I think when sometimes people are like, oh, that's not usually my type. Like, I wouldn't ordinarily go for you, but, like, it just works.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And what's crazy about that is I don't really, like, believe in, like, love is love at first sight, but I believe in vibes at first sight. Yeah. I'll know right away whether I don't vibe with you at all. Whether we're not a perfect fit, but I can, like, kick it with you, or whether it's like, I feel like we're. We were born. Like, Like, Like Clem is a perfect. Like, Clem could be my brother.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Clem could be absolutely. Be my best friend. Like, every time I brought up a story, he'd be like, yeah, me too. Or like, we like the same everything. We grew up the same way. And it's just like, there's a vibe there that. That clicks with him more so than other people. And. And I think that is a big part of relationships too. It's just like, it's probably. You have to have, like, a similar sense of humor. Probably like a similar, like, work ethic, some of the big picture things, you know, and then it just, like, works. And it's almost like if you don't have that, don't even bother. It's like sometimes I believe in, like, a speed dating thing. Sometimes it seems so silly, but it's like, nope, nope, nope. Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, finding, like, peace than it is. Like, like, like I feel like, especially as somebody with social anxiety, like, I kind of just assume. Assumed, like, I was like, all the people I've dated. I've always had, like, a level of, like, anxiety still. And then, like, I don't know. Yeah, that's not a good, like, dumb, but like. Or like, Danny's like, the first one. I've, like, I've never felt, like, so, like, at peace. Peace is somebody.

[C]

You know what? You know what Swift song you feel a Taylor Swift song. Before you even brought up Danny, you said peace, and I was like, taylor, yo, peace is.

[A]

And you know what? The six I don't want to be like, the most.

[C]

It's a great song. You're gonna like it. You're gonna go listen to Taylor Swift. No, it's probably. It's probably two albums ago, so it's not from the new album.

[A]

No, but also, this is the problem. Kind of what we were talking about, like, with maybe like, the feminist idea, like, we overdid. It is like, that shouldn't be a. Like, I don't want to be a cliche. You should want to be a cliche. These are songs about, like, love and happiness. You should want to be like. That's portrayed as negative for some reason.

[C]

It's actually about the opposite. It's about shield.

[A]

No, I get that, but, like, you really shouldn't. I. I bet you there are women out there now who feel, like, guilty if they're like, I would like to just be a stay at home mom or, like, I want to be more traditional or whatever. That should not be. That should not be the case. If you don't want to do that, fine. If you do want to do that should also be fine. And there shouldn't be, like, judgment either way. That, to me is like, what feminism is. Or.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

If you take it away from gender, it's just, like, accepting and supportive. It's like, you should be able to just do that. You should be able to slot it up and not get judged. You should be able to settle down and not get judged. You know, but the peace thing is the. The most tragic thing about peace.

[C]

Sorry, I just want to say something about the judgment. The judgment, like, only. Most judgment only happens if you're seeking.

[A]

Out judgment or on the Internet. Like, that's.

[C]

That's what I mean. Like, you're good, but you're seeking out the judgment. Yeah, like, no, but you can just live your life judgment free.

[A]

I could see, you know, you're not necessarily seeking it out if you're just, like, on your Instagram and like, you should be able to go on Instagram and not get, like, inundated. If you Seek it. Like, literally seek it, then that's on you. Yeah, but I do think there's a lot.

[C]

But, like, if you're, like, opening a trad wife video, you know what the comment section's arguing?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what it's arguing about? You're seeking out the judgment.

[A]

I, I, I, I would venture to guess that because to me, the most tragic thing about peace is I don't think you value it until you don't have it. Like, if you were to grab a young girl and guy and they're single and you were to be like, list your, like, top five must have qualities in a person. I don't think peace is in there. Like, what's the most important part of. I don't think you're thinking, like, because it almost feels like a low bar, but it's super important.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's because. And I think once you've gone through some relationships where you don't have peace, you're like, oh, that's almost number one. You know, it's like you're thinking about looks and, like, and you get specific with, like, sense of humor, how much money they make or those sort of things. And it's like, I think you're gonna realize to make it through the long haul, like, the number one thing you need is to be able to be like, we can sit on the couch together, watch some shows. You're on your phone, I'm on my phone, whatever.

[D]

And we are just like a calm nervous system.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Not, not worried about what I say or do not worry what they're gonna think. All that, like, peace to me is, like, invaluable. But I, I don't think I would have said that when I was 25, you know, I wish I knew that now. And it's almost like, are you hot?

[C]

Do you good? Are you gonna let me party?

[A]

Are you, you know all that. It's like, now it's like, can you, can you just be on your phone next to me and not judging that I'm on my phone?

[D]

Peace.

[A]

Man.

[C]

25. You got a bush.

[A]

What kind of underpants you wearing? That's a big part. That's a big, That's a really important thing for me.

[C]

Been on a bit of a bush kick lately. My God, bro. By the way, the.

[A]

We never talked about the Kim K. Thongs that, with, with the hair on them. You saw those?

[B]

Oh, I saw.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

John's like, oh, I'm wearing one right now. She, she said in an interview dressed like a By the way, did you see that? She was like, I never, I never expected this reaction. I may know what they were doing. I think you have to know that.

[C]

I didn't expect this reaction from my hair. Panties.

[A]

Yeah. Come on, come on. This is surprise.

[C]

I thought that would be a normal invention.

[A]

Those sold out. I think that has to be one of those, you know, little, Little. Little show you how the sausage made. If you only sell 50 units and say it's a sellout, it's still a sellout.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm like, who. How many people could have bought those? And the only reason you're doing it is for a joke, right? It's got to be a gag gift or just a. Like, look, I got the Kim K. Harry thong, right? There's no one, like, wearing that.

[C]

I actually, I. I haven't seen it. I know about it. Like, how are we doing, like, inner thigh hair? Like. Or is it just like the top of the.

[A]

It's like, like. No, it's like the whole. I think the whole triangle, if you will, is.

[D]

That would be funny if it was like granny panties with like, go.

[A]

Wait, go back, go. It was there. If you go to. If you go to. Oh, yeah. It'll probably be on here too, though.

[C]

There we go.

[A]

Yeah, like, it's. It's like a. The whole thing is hairy.

[D]

I.

[C]

Okay, but it's not really.

[A]

What'd you. What?

[C]

What? But like, like, look at that red one.

[A]

That's like long hair. It's like hair on your head.

[C]

But none of it looks like pubic hair because, like, it's covering the. I was thinking in my head it was like spider legs sticking out.

[A]

Sticking out.

[C]

Sticking out. Yeah.

[A]

I was thinking initially it could have been like a sheer thong, and then you see like a landing strip through it or something. This is just like, your underwear's hairy.

[B]

Yeah, right, right.

[C]

That's what, that's why. Nipple ring. I was like, oh. Like, they want people to think it's nipples. I was like, oh, they want people to think you have a bush.

[A]

Theoretically. I mean, that's such a. Like micro. Yeah, it says micro string thong. So I guess if that. If you were like a nude color, you can board. It could look like you're not. Oh, I was gonna say, like, it just looks like you're not wearing anything.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But those are like, if you're wearing a red or blue one, you can still see the thong.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, if it was nude colored, like, completely skin colored, there might be some utility of like, I'm going to wear this. Acting or something like that. You know what I mean? Like a merkin. But I can't imagine a regular person just.

[D]

I wonder if it's like. I mean, I know like the. I mean also like a lot of girls like laser off everything and then.

[A]

So that little buyer's remorse. That one looks pretty real. That I feel.

[C]

Oh yeah, this is. Now that we're zoomed in, this is far more PB than I thought.

[A]

The red one. It looks like hairin like you.

[C]

This is full.

[A]

That's ridiculous. That looks like. Where the wild thing.

[C]

That's like the Lorax. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But we're on the same page.

[C]

Yeah, that's just what my beard looks like.

[A]

That's John's face on your. That one looks like Gandalf. Like a big white wizard beard.

[C]

That should be called the Gandalf dog. But like, like the. They. I'll say this, they're not as repulsive as I thought they would be.

[A]

Oh, I'm pretty repulsed. That's repulsive.

[C]

But the.

[A]

I think that's.

[C]

Yeah, that one's pretty repulsive.

[A]

That. That's a porn that I would turn off John, if I, If I opened it up. If I clicked on a porn and someone looked like that, I'd be like.

[C]

But it's also like maybe I just don't understand how a vagina works. Like. Well, that's.

[A]

We know that. Like, that's for sure.

[C]

The base of it. There's no hair down there.

[A]

What.

[D]

What is it as seeming you shouldn't have hair?

[A]

Like hair hair.

[C]

Like in my experience, basically.

[A]

Well, I mean you can have hair everywhere but. Oh my God, look at that. That looks like a carpet.

[D]

It's such an. Up close.

[A]

Yeah, it's usually more above the clitz. Like the equator.

[C]

Yeah, above that.

[A]

But it gets, you know, it gets down there. I mean, one of the worst things that's ever happened to me in a relationship romance situation is I was with somebody who, who didn't shave in the back. You know what I'm saying? You get what I'm putting down. And, and it was. But it was. And you know, I, I try to just. I don't. I don't like nitpick about those things. Sort of like everyone's body, you know, if you're gonna be with someone, it is what it is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was bad enough that I was like, I really wish that was a different situation. Yeah, it kind of came up and I remember being like. It was sort of like A. Do you think you could do that? Like, it came up in a way. I don't know. I think I probably wedged like waxing or shaving into a conversation. Can you believe this person, like, does it all? But that'd be kind of cool if you did that a little bit.

[C]

It was like one of those.

[A]

And it was sort of. She was sort of like, yeah, okay.

[C]

I can do that.

[A]

There's nothing worse to me than having like any sort of sexual related conversations. That is. You're asking for more.

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

That's another one that I. To go with the piece that like, if you just click sexually, just marry that person. Everything else could be, they're abusive, they're horrible. But like, they, you know, a lot.

[C]

Of people follow those rules.

[A]

That's why the divorce rate currently is 56%. But you know what I mean, that way you. It's like, I don't have to tell you, I don't have to ask you.

[C]

We're just doing, you know.

[D]

Well, just like, this is too much. But there's like an area.

[C]

Never mind, it's too late.

[D]

Well, it's just like the. There's an. And I actually don't know if other girls can really. But I was talking like, we're just.

[A]

Going to talk about my hairy.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

There's an area above the butthole.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

That's the heart. You know, a little like magic behind the curtain. You got to like bend in ways. You got to just too shallow to like for the razor to really. And then God forbid you have one of those razors that like has like the soap things at. I. I don't know of other people actually, so maybe that's just me.

[A]

How many times have I said this before? One of my favorite things in content is when you take a risk saying something that you think is relatable but it might not be. You're like, we all used to jerk.

[C]

Off like this, right?

[A]

And like that's literally. You're the only person on the planet Earth. I guarantee you you're safe on this one. But it's fun to watch someone go squirm and go through it.

[D]

Yeah, there's just like an area that's.

[A]

Just like right about where a tail would be.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, not even, not like that high, but like right. You know, just above it. Because you think that you're, you know, you think that you've gotten all the holes. You're like, I'm out of the woods, I'm good.

[C]

All my holes are good. Taylor Swift song, and that one was.

[D]

Actually about the tubing.

[A]

So then.

[D]

So then. Yeah, so then I. I, you know, and then. And then sometimes, like, you take a little look, and then you think, holy. Have I been missing that the whole time?

[A]

That's, like, several months of growth back there. There used to be a Taylor Swift song called Holes, but then in parentheses. I got all that out of the woods.

[C]

The. I. I've had that before, like, women I've dated where, like, I've dated women who do the laser stuff like you're talking about. And. And they've had, like, shade. Like, they lasered their legs. And. And I was like, what's the.

[A]

What's the razor in the shower all about?

[C]

You laser your legs.

[B]

My.

[C]

She's like, ask me. My.

[A]

That's my razor.

[C]

Like, I shouldn't ask, so I should.

[A]

Stop using that one on my face, right? Okay. That's your razor. Okay, cool.

[C]

So I have a mustache, but I shaved the rest of my face. It stunk.

[D]

Come on.

[C]

Is that a true story? I made it up.

[A]

That is a good look behind the curtain, though. Have you ever heard of. Speaking of that, like, area, how your hair can fall off your head and get in there?

[C]

Oh, yeah, I get. I pull air out of my ass.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What I'm talking about is this. This hair.

[C]

Oh. In.

[A]

Goes into your skin and creates, like, a infection. It's. I. This happens a lot on my.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I'm always watching those, like.

[D]

Oh, my.

[C]

That explains the three infections I currently have.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. It's called a pill on Pilan pillow needle cyst. So it usually happens, like, in your lower back and butt. Hair from the head falls off and gets trapped inside your skin and creates a cyst. And if you watch these, like, little animations, it's funny. It's like you, like, they just like someone. It's like, because hair is, like, sharp enough, I guess, that it, like, sticks to your back, and then, like, you sit down, I guess, and kind of rub and it gets, like, into your pores, and then it creates, like, an infection. And it's like, you know, people. It's one of those things where I think you're like, what could this possibly be? And some. Some doctor figured out, like, I don't know how they figured it out. It's. It. Let's watch this little animation.

[C]

While you're doing that. I'm gonna have a different reaction to that than the masturbating girl.

[A]

That's, like, probably a little Bit higher than what you're talking about.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's the area, right? It's right there.

[D]

That's a lot higher, but yeah.

[A]

All right. Good talk. Jackie's got a hairy butt. No, no, I would like to.

[C]

No, Jackie doesn't have a hairy butt.

[A]

Because she takes care.

[D]

You know, I had to. Course Correct early on in life. So I don't.

[C]

So I don't. He's very New Jersey there.

[A]

She's not from California. I guarantee you there's going to be a legion of women who are like, yes, Queen, I got a hairy crack, too. Yes.

[C]

I really hope so, because, guys.

[D]

And this is like, you know, trust and believe. If I was editing this podcast, that would be out.

[C]

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[C]

Dude, I love it. It's fun.

[A]

You guys should almost have a show.

[B]

Yesterday John got in my head really bad.

[A]

As he does.

[C]

As he tends to do. Yeah.

[B]

And today I saw the clip. The pet, by the way. That was rude. That was very mean.

[C]

I. I agree.

[A]

No, it was not. It was not mean. It was. It was 100 justified and well executed. And that's what happens.

[C]

I have been thinking the same. It was ether, dude. We should have Jay Z.

[B]

It was ruthless.

[A]

Yeah, that ruthless.

[C]

It's one of those things, man. Like, you got. I don't know.

[B]

Here's what. Here's.

[A]

I didn't.

[C]

I didn't start it. I didn't start it. That was.

[A]

Okay. It is not ruthless when somebody sucker punches you and you punch back.

[B]

No, you're right. That I was. I was so dumb yesterday when you in roan were talking about it in front of Francis and I. And then I saw it today and I was like, whoa, this is way worse than I heard yesterday.

[A]

Worse is not the way.

[B]

I completely forgot that he came at you guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then I was like, you think.

[C]

He would just do that?

[A]

If you. If you were under the assumption that that was rogue, then, yeah, like, that would be crazy. And that would be so. That would be so out of character for Feidelberg. This is like, yeah, someone spit my face. And then I dunked on.

[B]

I just completely forgot that you guys got lumped in with Francis in that whole thing.

[A]

So then the butterfly effect. Unbelievable. I was just saying that sass going. I really don't like my. My. My seat on planes.

[C]

And what I said to Kevin. I'm the one who encouraged sass. To figure it out. So it's all my. It's. I'm the one you started. Creator of my own universe of hell. But that's so here. I.

[B]

That's so on brand.

[A]

No, but what's so off brand is that is. So that clip went up, and I was getting texts from people I don't even talk to in a while, you know, and it sounds like he was getting the same thing. And I was like, yo, the streets are talking. Like, that clip is a hit. And, And I, I realized it's like, I don't, I don't think John's ever done this.

[B]

Really.

[A]

I don't, I don't. John's not like, John's not a mud guy. John's not like a fight guy.

[C]

Like, I mean, sometimes the guy who's left alone in the woods is left alone for a reason.

[A]

Yeah. And also sometimes the guy left all in the woods, when he finally gets pushed to the limit, he goes full equalizer. He goes Denzel. He goes Liam Neeson. Because, like, like, I've been in the mud forever fighting these people internally, externally, blog fights, all that. And it just kind of, you do. If you do it enough, it just kind of becomes like, yeah, whatever. It's when you don't do it and you finally do do it that it feels like a nuclear bomb. You know, it's like, I'm just like, pew, pew, pew, pew. John's just sitting back there until, you know, your man reaches his limit, and then it's boom. I love the way Francis characterized his double blogs as Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yours was like, was it blitz, blitzkrieg, lightning war where they said it was actually more damage than the nuclear bombs because it just kept going.

[C]

I mean, he was like, the more I say this, the more I get that. It probably sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I really like that. I want to be clear.

[A]

We're a pro Pat Bev blog.

[C]

But like, that was like, I, I like to think about it from, from Pat's perspective as an athlete. Like, bro, I'm a 16 year vet in this locker room. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't demand respect, but don't come at me either.

[A]

That's, that's the thing is like, I, I, I mean, I, it's nothing new, but also it's like, in what world do we. But specifically he deserve any of those shots? You know what I mean? To come at fights like that is insane. Come at me, whatever. You don't like me. He's commented Other about me, fine. But like, to say that about John is nuts. Anybody who's been at Barstool would know that, like, going at Feidelberg is insane. Like you. It's you. If you're going on final work, you know.

[B]

Yeah. It was very uncalled for. And honestly, like, I was. I still don't understand this whole thing. Like I told you yesterday, everyone in Chicago loves him. He comes by the office, he's cool as hell, nice as hell.

[C]

That. Yeah.

[A]

Similar experience.

[C]

Yeah. It doesn't really. Me.

[B]

It doesn't really make any sense. I don't know if he's just.

[A]

No. Well, I mean. Well, the problem is, is no matter how you cut it, it's either like. Like he. He believes that and whatever, or he doesn't believe it and he's just like, doing it to like, pile on, like. It's an easy. It's an easy thing to like, love Chicago and make fun of New York or whatever. You know what I mean? So you're either doing it because you, like, believe it and you're. That's. You're a dick for that, or you're doing it just to like, score Internet points. And I think that's probably worse.

[C]

That's way worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Yeah, if you. If you. If you mean it and believe it, I. I mean, I could tell you why it's misguided and wrong or whatever or. But at the end of the day, it's a matter of opinion. If you don't like us, name. But if you. So if you believe it, you believe it. But if you're doing it just to.

[B]

Do it, then, yeah, name me another company, business organization, anything that does this, that encourages. Yeah, yeah, like this. Like I was thinking. I was like, God, if there's.

[A]

There's one.

[B]

If I had a company and two of my employees were like, obviously they're not making videos and po. Like, but just attacking each other, slinging mud on social media or something. It would be like. But not here.

[A]

Yeah, most people, like, shut it down. I think there's one dude. The only thing I can. Could think of is, is the wwf. And that's like. Because it's fake, but it's real. And like, you know, they have rivalries of story lines that then kind of jump off TV and become real sort of thing. That's really about it. Otherwise it's right there's. And that's always been the thing. There's never been like a competitor to Barstool. That's really like Barstool. There's other groups, other companies, but in terms of. And yeah, Dave just sits back like Mr. Burns. Just like, yes, excellent. My plan is working. Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, so back to the original part. So John made me super self conscious yesterday. And then I saw that video today and I was like, oh, man. He didn't. He was. He was nice.

[A]

Wait, what did you say?

[C]

Well, I came out and he made fun of my outfit, so I made fun of his. And he changed.

[A]

You changed suggestion today.

[C]

Yeah, Dud.

[B]

He had on those MC Hammer like silk pant. It was in the clip. It was in the Pat Bev club. I saw him again today. I was like, they look like Fendy print.

[A]

Like, I got to check this because I'm just so used to Felberg outfits.

[C]

Yeah. Made fun of my outfit.

[B]

I didn't.

[A]

I was like, I had confidence in it.

[B]

He walked in, I was like, what are you wearing? And he just looked at me and goes, really?

[A]

You want to say that?

[C]

He goes, really?

[B]

You're g to say that right now with skinny jeans. And I had hocus on because I flew. And he's like, in those.

[A]

I was like, I mean, don't come with the king, man. That's what we're learning this week.

[D]

No.

[B]

And then of course. And of course, he's got his hype squad, Kelly sitting across from me. And Kelly's like, oh, Dante, don't even. Those pants are unbelievable.

[C]

Yeah, great. Plus me. Trust me, those are great pants. I wasn't like, oh, Dante said my pants are good. He might be right.

[D]

They were.

[B]

They were the hot office woman silk pants. Who. You know, they wear those pants yesterday. They wear those. They wear those high waisted underwear that you can see the panty line. That's what they were. That's what they were.

[C]

Oh, you looked.

[B]

My ass. Your tree trunk thighs. But no, on a. Like a tall, slender woman, those would have been hot.

[A]

Were you on you no around and involved when like Madame Feidelberg and lady Feidelberg.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Yeah. Like you were in the office around for that? Because, like. Because that was when we all first started making fun of Feidelberg and it was like, you know, in hindsight we realized he was just like wearing a scarf. You know what I mean? It was like in our mind, we were like, you're gay. This is ridiculous. It was like he had on a brown coat and a scarf. Like, gay lame. But to fight all his credit, anytime people have we've made fun of him for his clothes, he's always just Been like, very confidently like, you're wrong, I'm right. This is fashionable. You guys look like hobos. And like, go ahead, make your jokes, but you know what I mean. Like, just very like, go ahead. Okay, I'll take my lumps knowing that I am. I look better than you.

[B]

He's in the perfect place out here in New York. Back in Boston. That was.

[A]

You must.

[B]

That was.

[A]

He probably did stick out like a sword.

[B]

Oh, my God. That was very risky.

[C]

It was. But also, like, at the time, like, obviously I dress now very differently. I've always been interested in clothes and stuff like that, but like, my style has changed drastically depending on where I live, who I hang out with, all that kind of stuff. So, like, I dressed up in Milton, but compared to how I dress now, the extremely dressed down. But I remember the, like in Milton. I vividly remember one, one year when one blog that I think Dave wrote it, or maybe I think Gaz started making fun of me. So then Dave wrote the blog. Or maybe I wrote a blog that offending myself because everyone's making fun of me so much. I just wore a raincoat to work. Like, like, and like, I'm not talking about. It was a black coat. I wore just a water repellent jacket to work and on, On a rain day. It was raining outside and they were like, what is this? You wear rain? Like, like, when I tell a story, people probably picture me in like a big fisherman's yellow. No, I was in a black water repellent jacket.

[A]

It's not even like, it's like a windbreaker almost. It's not even like a fancy rain jacket you're wearing.

[C]

Insane that I had. I owned a jacket that could keep rain off my body.

[A]

And by the way, at that point, if you go back, it's like Dave dressing like a, a skater from the 90s in like air walks and like grunge gear.

[B]

He didn't have a stylist.

[A]

Devlin wearing like Blackout tour merch. You know, everyone was basically homeless people. And the one guy comes in, in wearing just a jacket. It's like, you are lame again.

[C]

It was cra. I, I, I think I'm the one who wrote the blog, but it was because I was just getting made fun of so much in the office. It's a, it's a coat that just repels rain.

[A]

Let me look there. I don't know anymore because, like, the search, like, googling things is just so different now. But I believe when you used to search Madame Fidelberg or Lady Feidelberg There was also just a picture where you looked particularly like a lesbian. It wasn't even necessarily. Yeah, it's hard.

[C]

My face, unfortunately, feel. I hit puberty instead of be able to have facial hair. I was just a big lady.

[A]

Yeah. So it was a little, like, you know, like. Yeah, you look a little. That's a little. That's just, like, young. And you're wearing a silly hat.

[C]

You look a little gay. That picture is ridiculous. I stand by it.

[A]

Right?

[C]

The hat.

[A]

The hat was an accident. The hat was like, a happy accident.

[C]

Was. I did a video with Liz Gonzalez, and I bought the hat on the trip and didn't get the expensive $600 hat.

[B]

He looks like the kid from not another teen movie.

[A]

Who's that?

[B]

The friend that's trying to. Let me see Bang.

[A]

The.

[B]

The. Are the hot art girl.

[A]

Like the main guy?

[C]

No, that guy. The guy I haven't seen to really know what you mean.

[A]

Whatever. Yeah, yeah, that. That. So wait, but you changed your clothes, like, on the spot because of that.

[B]

My shoes.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

Under the desk, right?

[A]

Like, right there.

[C]

Sneaky. Do it under the desk. And you caught him or you just saw someone else caught him. I forgot who. It was.

[A]

Like, the single most insecure thing I've ever heard in my life.

[B]

It was in my head. I told you I wasn't wrong.

[C]

I wasn't wrong.

[A]

What I really love about you, Dante, though, is you. You will always own these things. Would be like, yeah, man.

[C]

Like, I.

[A]

You were in my head. I was insecure. You own your.

[B]

I love it.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

Have to.

[A]

What. What do you. What's your latest? I. I think I saw that you rewrote about, like, extraterrestrial existence and. And otherworldly objects and all that. Right?

[B]

Distraction. More distraction.

[A]

What do you. You want the Epstein files? That's what you're on. What are we distracting from?

[B]

I think everything. I think the world burning down all around us. And I mean, don't even get me started on this. That's.

[A]

I mean, that's literally why you're on the show, is to get you started on this. Live in the distraction. Don't even worry about the other because you can't stop it. You can't do anything about it.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's what live in the.

[B]

That's, like, what Nate always says. And I'm like, how do you get into that mindset? I would love to be there.

[A]

I mean, I like. You literally cannot change anything. All these things you're worried about, like, yeah, you can cast your vote. I don't know, Whatever. But even you, like, you hated Lori Lightfoot, right? And now you're like, I wish we had Lori Lightfoot back. So even when you, like, get what you want, it's like, it's never going to be good. So you just got to be like. It's, it's, it's almost like.

[B]

It's a very fatalist viewpoint.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's not.

[A]

It's not good. But to me, it's like the lesser of two evils. Like, you could agonize over this all day, or you could just accept the fact that you're gonna die.

[C]

Yeah, Like, I, I. We watched the Last Frontier the other day. New movie on Apple tv. I really like it. And it starts with. I'm sorry. New TV show starts with a plane crash. And I watched the plane crash, and I was like, I'd be having a good time right now. And that's kind of what we're at, Dante.

[A]

The planes. The planes crash.

[C]

Planes crashing, dude. You know, might as well have a good time while it's going down, because the plane's gonna hit Earth, brother.

[A]

Enjoy the ride. You got the little feeling in your stomach while it plummets down. Put on the, Put on the gas.

[C]

When you realize it's out of your control.

[A]

We can do. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that we are, like, on the verge of, like, an apocalyptic scenario, civil war? Like, I know you have the go bag and all that stuff. Like, do you. Do you really think that's coming?

[B]

No, because I think the people that.

[A]

Would.

[B]

Stand up to the ones in power are in power right now. So I think they would be on the other side, like, suppressing. And I. No offense, but I don't think what we saw this past weekend is gonna do.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like, the no Kings marches and all that? Those people, they don't even have guns.

[C]

Well, that's the thing about. Well, you know, that's the funny thing about, like, about peaceful protesting is that, like, both no Kings marches, I think, were the two biggest protests in the.

[B]

History of the world.

[C]

Didn't burn out any buildings, though, so you didn't get a lot of attention. Yeah, true. Throw a rock through a target. So you didn't get a lot of attention.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I saw. Were they that big? Because the first one I. MSNBC was, like, posting pictures and videos that were, like, just of a different parade or something like that.

[C]

The first no Kings. And look, everything is just what I've read. You might have read something different, differently. The first no Kings I read was the biggest protest in the history of the world. When you went factored in, like, you know how it happened nationally in major cities.

[A]

Right. And, but, but, but I. I feel like anyone individually still doesn't even, like, hold the candle to, like, the Eagles winning the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? It's like people get passionate about it, but not as passionate about.

[B]

Same with like, the Cubs World Series parade. That was the. The most people I've ever seen.

[A]

Ever seen, right? Yeah. I mean, especially that one. It's like people have been waiting 100 years for this.

[C]

So I'm not going back to college.

[B]

To be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber one for students. It saves you on Uber and Uber Eats. I'm there for $0 delivery fee on.

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[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they take a picture of like a World Series parade. Look how many people showed up. It's like, none of this is real. None of this is real.

[B]

But I don't know, man. I keep going back and forth. Like, to answer your question.

[A]

Part of.

[B]

Me is like, his shit always been like this. And are we just you just hyper vigilant now?

[A]

No, it's just that you got. You're on your fucking phone and you see everything. There used to be a protest or crime or something happening across the country, and you didn't ever see it. You didn't see it in the newspaper. You didn't watch the news. You missed it. You just didn't read that article or missed the 11 o' clock news that one time. And that's it. Gone.

[B]

Like two scenarios. One, I went on that cattle drive in Wyoming, right? And the guy who owned the ranch, the farms, Dana Kearns, he's like 80 years old, still fucking working cattle every day. Working the ranch. Just the biggest badass in the world. No cell phone. Don't think he's ever been on a computer in his life, just so disconnected from the world. And the happiest, most content person. Healthy as a horse. Like, just like his biggest stress.

[C]

Oh, that'll be his biggest stress.

[B]

His biggest stress is like. Like, hurting his herd and turning them.

[A]

Staying alive, basically.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like.

[B]

Like sustaining his farm ranch to hand down to his grandkids. Like, that's his world. That's his life. He was. We were. We were, like, joking around about how he doesn't know or give a. What's going on in the real world. And he was like, yeah. When he, like, the thickest accent ever, he's like, yeah. When 911 happened, I didn't even know about it for a week. My neighbor had to ride up and find me on the ranch and was like, did you hear what happened in New York? And I was like, what? That? I was like, what? And he was like, yeah.

[A]

And he's like, I think you go a little too far the other direction, but you don't know about.

[C]

That's. That's what. Stepping stone. But then stepping stone's the place to be. Stepping stone Vermont. Stepping stones Got a nice little town. It's not a real town. I made it up in my head, but the. It's.

[A]

We sold merch for that.

[C]

Yeah, we made. They never, like, made it in a way that we thought good.

[A]

Stepping stone Vermont is. Is the utopia that one day John will build for himself.

[B]

So, I mean, dude, we.

[A]

We met a guy. So the. The Charlie Sheen came about because this dude, Tim Montana, his records up there on the. He's a country singer. He was a diehard barstool fan, and met Charlie through the Navy seals.

[C]

Through Rob o'? Neal. Yeah.

[A]

Through Rob o'. Neill. Yeah.

[C]

So.

[A]

So this guy lives in Butte, Montana, was hanging out. Rob o'. Neal. Rob o' Neill met Charlie, but we got to talk it with him. Charlie Sheen was probably the most interesting guest we've ever had. And the guy just sitting on the. On the chair over there watching is probably the second most interesting guy we've ever met. Lived without electricity until he was 18. Electricity.

[B]

That nuts.

[A]

And he was telling a story of how he, like, he was like his. He would hear his parents hop in the car and hit the gravel while the car drove away. And that was his time as, like, a teenager. He would run outside, rev up the generator to get some electricity so that he could go on the Internet and watch porn. And he'd be like, while. While I'm firing it up and it's buffering and downloading I can hear mom and dad coming back up the driveway and I need to run out there, turn off the, turn off the generator, clear the cookies and then run back to the my room.

[C]

That's what he use the generator for, to watch porn.

[A]

And then he got caught so often or didn't have enough time so often that he went out into the woods and he created his beat off cabin. He had a cabin just for porn and jerking off.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

But then he came of age and moves out and now he's like on social media and, and has a music career and shoots music videos and like is, you know, for all intents and purposes very, you know, electronic and very plugged in. So for half his life lived like a Amish and the other half his life lived like because as much as I, I do and as I'm getting older I could see myself being more of that. But I also think of the Internet as like such a good thing because I feel like I've met so many people but beyond, beyond just like I've had a career in money and it's cool and it's funny and there's porn and all that from like a actual point of view of like, is this good or bad for you as much as it's bad for you because you're doom scrolling and like you know, frying your brain. I feel like I've met people and learned things and I'm very like, like I've always said he likes to travel and do stuff. I feel like he's very like experiential and I'm very like interactional, if that's a word. Like I could just sit here, I could DM with somebody in this same room I'm always in. But if it's. The conversation is interesting and you're an interesting person, I'm into that, you know, so that's cool. So like, I guess my point is like I. Part of me wants to live on the land and be done and then part of me's like, ah, I wouldn't have met that person or learned.

[C]

No, that's a great. Honestly, like I hadn't really thought of it. Here's the perspective.

[A]

But it, but it just comes along with. Here's a lot of negative.

[C]

It's kind of I guess like anything bad. Like, right.

[A]

Like moderation.

[C]

Booze is good, you're having a bottle whiskey night. It's not good. But being out with people is good.

[A]

Right?

[C]

It's kind of the same thing on the Internet.

[A]

Are you, are you drinking it it's honestly, are you rolling over the first thing in the morning, grabbing it and drinking it?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Or are you with. Amongst friends and it just gives you have a good time. You know, if you treat the Internet like booze.

[B]

Here's the thing, though. So you were talking about this place in Vermont. Do you really want to go there? End up there, be there or you just.

[C]

I've joked about it for a long time. I, I think I remember the first time I did it was Kyrie was still on the Celtics maybe. And it was like asking about what.

[A]

I've heard you reference this like several times.

[C]

Future holds. And he's like, I'll be on a ranch. He's like, I think he's going to be a podcaster. He's like, no, I will be on a ranch in Texas alone.

[A]

Which is funny, by the way, because he's not, he's like streaming and doing all the other.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[C]

But I remember hearing that and being like, that's what I like. And that was probably 10 years ago. And I, I, I'm definitely moving in that direction. I don't know if it's like, I, I, I, I love New York City. So like, I love being around people and like all that kind of. But I also just really do like being left alone in the woods.

[A]

You also have to remember we are the first people doing this ever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In human history. The old man was off the ranch. Like, he gave up, like television and like a flip phone, whatever. Like, we are legitimately the first generation that. Yeah.

[C]

Is gonna have lived this.

[A]

Yeah. And had this.

[B]

We went.

[A]

And then maybe you make the choice to go live on the ranch.

[B]

We went from here to here and then now we go back down or we keep going. Right. These kids started here. Right.

[A]

We're the, we're the first and only to. No, we're old enough to know life without it, young enough that we adapted, adopted it and lived it. And how are we gonna age out of it? Are we gonna, like, am I gonna be scrolling tick tock on my deathbed? Or will it get to the point where I live on the land? Because I'm like, I was, I, I know for myself, like, I'm definitely, I think in order to live, like, totally disconnected, you almost need to have, like, something happen.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it's very hard to just be like, I had a pretty good life, had a bunch of good friends and family and co workers, and I'm just cutting all of it out. I think usually it's like a Death or a crime or something where you're like, I gotta get away from the.

[C]

Whole world to clear up for you. Dante, even. Even in this. This utopia of stepping stone Vermont, it's a. It's a town. Like, yeah, in this town, I'm the. I'm the.

[B]

I've seen them.

[C]

I do the.

[D]

The.

[C]

Not the. I do the op EDS in the local paper and I. I run the. The blockbuster. And those. That's like. So, like, there are people. I'm not in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, little bit.

[A]

I got you.

[B]

But it's its own little off the grid enclave. There's like, real places, like.

[C]

Oh, God, yeah.

[B]

North Carolina.

[A]

There's a town.

[B]

I know a buddy that when I.

[A]

Travel, though, and I do that, I. I hate this about myself, but it's true. Is like when the waitress takes like 45 minutes just to give you your menus, and when it's like the line is moving slowly, I'm like, come on, let's go, let's go. And then I catch myself being like, you're being impatient for no reason. But I just. It's. It is in me.

[C]

So I'm very. That. That I think. I think part of, like, me being experiential is that I am very much like, we're in your house, we do your way. And like, I'll. I, like, I. I'll sit at dinner in Italy for four hours. I don't give a. But if I'm sitting at dinner here for an hour and 31 minutes, I'm.

[A]

Like, yeah, when in Rome. Right, Right.

[B]

The reason I asked is because White Sox Dave has said this to me for years, and I've always been like, you're so full of. Like, he's been like, my dream is to disappear. Like, I want to be able to retire from barstool and disappear from the world. Like, disappear from social media, change my identity, be gone. And I'm. I've always been, like, no chance. But the last, like, year or two, I've seen him slowly, like. And he's like, said to me like, he's taken me aside and been like, dude, you gotta, like, get off Twitter. Like, it's fucking. That actually, it's a good word.

[A]

Twitter is like.

[B]

It's the fucking worst place in the world. He's like, you're. Half the people you're talking to aren't even real. Mm. And I'm like, what?

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like, be. Be real with me. What. What brought you this? He's just like. He's a lot Smarter. I know people are gonna laugh at this. He is a lot smarter than. He comes off on everything. He has a very good viewpoint of where things are at in the world right now.

[A]

And he's also in your critical thinking club.

[B]

He's also. Yes, and he's also very good when it comes to world history. Like, he knows a lot when it comes to, like, international relations. And he reads a lot.

[A]

You'd be.

[B]

You'd be surprised.

[C]

I'm not surprised. I'm just curious.

[B]

I've been very surprised. I've been, like, very high on White Sox Dave the last couple years. I like that.

[A]

And you think he'll. He'll. You think he'll do it?

[B]

I think he's really gonna, like. I don't think he's just gonna disappear and, like, quit Barstool and be like, peace out. But I think, like, there was that. I don't know if you saw that clip Pat and Large posted today about Large talking about the end of, like, not working at Barstool anymore.

[C]

And it's interesting. Those were. Large was expressing similar thoughts that I'd had recently where he was just like, you're young. You think you're going to be here forever. You're not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like, I definitely have never thought I would ever work anywhere else.

[B]

You've never worked anywhere.

[C]

I've never have.

[A]

So many people, it's like their life and the company's so good and popular that you're like, why would you ever leave? But it's like, even if things are good, there's like a natural cycle to where it's like, you might just want something different or, Or. Or maybe it's good but not great, or whatever it is, it's. And that's not like a bad thing.

[C]

Largely explaining his. Where he's like, I was 22. I was on the American Stock Exchange. I told him I.

[A]

In two weeks.

[C]

I knew that's what I wanted to do forever. And I felt the same at Barstool and. And just the way he's like, yeah, but then life happens and you forget that, like, things are going to drastically change. Like, that. That hadn't really hidden. Hidden with me until probably the last few years or so. But I probably started to be like, oh, yeah, Like, I got a lot of life left. You know what I mean? Like, I thought I was done. I got a lot of.

[A]

We were like, in our 50s. It's like, yeah, I don't just hang on for. Until you can retire. Yeah. It's like, it's too much time.

[C]

I think that's also part maybe of Internet life, is you feel old, younger. Because, like, I've seen so much. I've done so much where I'm like, I. I was like. I was like, I'm probably about done. I'm like, then I. Like, in the last year or two, I was like, wait, I'm 30, 37 now, but 35, 36. Like, I can't be done. I have a lot of stuff I have to do.

[A]

I feel the opposite. I feel. What'd you just say? You feel younger, older.

[C]

I feel like I. I feel like an old person.

[A]

Yeah. But then in reality, I feel like this generation of people. Like, I feel like you used to get old quicker. By the time you're, like, 35, you're, like, old and lame.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because I don't think you. You can't keep up with pop culture and.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Anything.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Back in the day, it was just like, you know, the. The records you listen to and the things you did, and then you age out of it and you. You can't touch it off. This just started happening because now I'm 40. But I know what the kids are saying, listening to, watching. Well, more. I'm just saying, more so than he's got kids. Well, you know what I know, right? I know Gen Alpha and my generation. It's Gen Z in the middle that I don't know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I know all their slang, all their. But in general, even though I don't know Gen Z, I can't totally fit in with them. I know more about the previous generation than any of the old people did. Just because the Internet again out there.

[B]

Danny Jackal, some Tik Tok trying put me on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What the is that? That's actually a pretty cool. So somebody.

[B]

It's shaming Southwest passengers is what it's doing.

[A]

Oh, wait, is that. No, she's talking about the.

[B]

Not the 67.

[A]

The. No, no, no, yeah, the. It's the, like, the viral girl who's.

[D]

Trying to promote her song.

[A]

And then she did. She did seven. Yeah. So it's. It's like a social experiment. She made seven, I think. Or at least seven. How many? Seven. Seven different groups. Seven different tik toks. That was like, if you're seeing this, you're in group one.

[B]

1.

[A]

If you're seeing this in your group two, I'm assuming she says different things in each video. And then. So it's like, based on your algorithm and what you watch and what she said, you're everyone's in this group, you know, and it seems to be that seven, I think, is like the most one that everyone's seeing. Yeah. So it's, it's, you know, kind of just this gimmick, but that's what it's about is. But it is kind of cool that I was only seeing group seven and I was like, I think this girl just made one video. It's like when you label the pigs 1, 2 and 4 and you think that you lost three. But apparently there are like seven different groups and seven different videos. And it's not as much people. I think people are thinking it's like a magic trick. It's just like, I don't know that one caught the most views, so it's in the algorithm the most. And that goes. But it is a little bit like, oh, I saw six or I saw five. And that's what she was talking about.

[B]

You are in a sense very lucky that you have like adolescent pre kids because for your job at least, like, if you had a accounting job, it wouldn't matter. But like my. This is like the first time in my life that I'm starting to realize, like, man, you're out of touch. I am out of touch, man. Like I. I told you after the beach house thing, when they were playing Jackie, what was it called? What was the rate the radio? That was like fake music. APM. They're playing 8pM at the house. And I'd come out and be like, oh my God, I am. I am sleeping on like music right now. I don't know any of these songs. I know every song before everybody my whole life. And I don't know any of this. Like, Nikki Smokes is on some underground.

[A]

That got me freaking out, at least for the rap world. Look around. Mob Deep drops a new album. Ghostface Killer drops a new album. Clips is back. Nas and Premiere. Like, I almost feel like Nas never left. Nas never left.

[B]

Yeah, Nas has been pumping out album.

[A]

He doesn't, he doesn't get enough credit for that.

[B]

That King insane.

[A]

The King's disease three in a row was fire.

[B]

But I felt like Ghost the clips in Ghost Face album better than 90% of stuff that's come out in the last 10 years.

[A]

And so for the longest time, specifically with rap, I feel bad about it every time I talk about rap. I'm a broken record. But it's like the only thing I can think of is like, I was saying what you said. Like, man, I'm so out of touch. And this is what the new kids, like, right. That's what happened in every generation. But I was like, I think this is. It's genuinely not as good. Oh, right. And. But in the beginning, people weren't saying that. It was sort of just like, hey, that's what happens. Music gets old, new music's more popular.

[B]

Numbers don't lie either.

[A]

Did you see? Well, that's the thing. They're selling tickets, they're selling records.

[B]

It's like, yeah, well, world rap, not just. But on the inverse too. Like, this new stuff is not charting. It's not selling.

[A]

They're canceling tour dates. And. Yeah, guys who are like, mega popular can't move tickets.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then the old guys come back and it's like, yeah, that shit's better. So. So, you know, we've talked about this before. That, like, I think we've talked about this. Or maybe I've talked about with Jackie when I'm nerding out. I don't know. That, like, we always consider that, like, the world is linear, like, it just keeps going, technology gets better and life continues this way. But, like, what if it's more cycle, you know, cyclical, where it's like we kind of come back. That happens with fashion and happens with.

[C]

A lot of things.

[A]

What if it's happening with, like, the world?

[C]

You know, it's what it is.

[B]

Fashion's freaky. Like, how it's like.

[C]

But it's not. It's not just fashion. It's fat. You only think it happens to fashion because you notice fashion. You're in the world. You have to see people's clothes.

[A]

Watch.

[B]

Give me other. Give me another example.

[C]

Watch period piece movies. The things we're arguing about today, they argued about in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. It's the same thing every time. We just keep doing it. It's. It's. The liberals are socialists, the conservatives are racist. It's the same life. It's the same thing.

[B]

Really.

[C]

Yes, it's the same thing. All we do is just repeat ourselves every decade.

[B]

Interesting. I. That's. That kind of stuff fascinates me. I know it sounds lame, but I like analyzing stuff like that.

[C]

And culturally. Culturally, every decade, we're just the same thing again. The. And.

[A]

And.

[C]

And then, like, what you notice in period movies, too, or shows or books, whatever the it is you did, you decide to consume. Like, the world also completely flips over. All the big companies that you think are never kind of like what we're saying about, like, our lives at barstool, like, all the Big companies that you think aren't going to flip over Delta is not always going to be the airline. There will be a new. Like it was.

[A]

Pan Am was the airline. And then it's not all these companies. How did Blockbuster fumbles like these things happen?

[C]

Like, you think that. Because it's like. It's a big part of my life. It's. It must be a big part of history.

[B]

History.

[A]

It's not.

[C]

It's going to be around for 10 years and then it's going to be gone.

[A]

You know, the other thing about history is when, and I think back to learning history in school, they. You would learn at like 50 to 100 year chunks. That's your entire life. Like my, my entire existence would be one paragraph, one page in a history book where it's like in the, you know, 1750, we were like colonies. And by the 1800s, we're. We're a country, like, bro. And that would be my, My whole life was summed up in the. That one page.

[C]

The. Carl Sagan, the astronomer, whatever he is, he has a thing where the. And I learned this in the movie Life of Chuck, which I watched recently, which is great. I really like that movie.

[B]

What's it called?

[C]

Life of Chuck. It's an hour and 40. It came out this year. It's got a lot of heart to it. Really great movie. But the point is, Carl Sagan has a thing where he, he says if, if you took the history of the world and you put it onto a calendar, if, if, if the Big Bang was in, on, on January 1st. And then he's kind of like, goes through things. He's like, the stars don't show up until March. This doesn't happen until July, this doesn't happen until November. And then he gets, it gets smaller and smaller and smaller. And everything we know, everything that we've read in a book, we've seen on a movie, anything that's ever happened that we know in our brains happened in the last 10 seconds on that.

[A]

Jesus.

[C]

If the clock is done that way, it's incomprehensible.

[A]

You can't wrap your head around every.

[C]

Every person of history we've ever heard of that happened in the last 10 seconds. So, like, it's.

[A]

So when you're getting bent out of.

[B]

Shape, it makes you feel so.

[A]

Yeah, but that, but, but like. Yeah, I think people say, what were you gonna say? It makes you feel so. What were you. What word were you gonna use? It makes you feel what?

[B]

Like, like fractional of a fraction.

[A]

Because I Was gonna say people. I think people often say, like, insignificant, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It makes you feel so insignificant. But. And I think that comes with, like, a negative connotation, but it's like, to me, that's, like. It's freeing.

[C]

Incredible. Yes. You are incredibly insignificant. Literally nothing matters. And that means everything matters.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So have fun. It doesn't matter. So enjoy it and. And have fun and.

[A]

Or. But I also don't mind people who want to enact change or want to be involved in those things. Of course. Go ahead.

[C]

I believe in those as well.

[A]

But it's the people who, like, get caught up. Like, if you're not that person, you don't have to be, you know, so go. You don't have to be the guy on the farm. You don't have to be the. The person like, running for office to try to change things, but you can be any. Any. And all of it's okay, you know, because it doesn't matter.

[B]

When did you become, like, Mr. Positive?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

It's.

[C]

It is. But I was never. I don't think I was ever particularly negative.

[A]

No.

[C]

I'm definitely more positive lately. Like three to five years.

[B]

I am, like, very. I love it.

[A]

I felt. I thought you changed when you. When you stopped drinking. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

The.

[B]

I love it. Serious.

[A]

Yeah. You also have a very. You know, because sometimes being like this off the grid talk can kind of come across as, like, apathetic, indifferent. I don't care. Yeah, that's sort of. I think that's how you do it in a way that's very. Like, again, like, you just kind of said, if you really care. Okay, but I don't. Or I. You know, I know the thing is.

[C]

I actually do most of the things I really care about, and it just.

[A]

But you do it in a very non. Non. Judgmental way. However, you know, you care about things, but you don't voice them on the Internet or, like I said, run for office or whatever. But if you do do those things, like, cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think you're crazy, but I think.

[B]

What you just said, you were, like, in the grand scheme of things, where. Like a. A speck of dust. So you might as well enjoy it. Have fun. Like, old John would have been like, like, what are they in Big Lebowski? The.

[A]

The nihilist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You were just like, we're all like.

[A]

Yeah, you're just gonna die.

[B]

Who cares?

[C]

I think it's. I'm thinking I'm still operating on the same wavelength, like, yeah, but you but.

[B]

It is with a positive instead of yeah, yeah, and completely empty.

[C]

But it is like, I do genuinely, I believe nothing matters. And I've always believed that. I guess I kind of. I look at it. I'm like, well, nothing matters, so you might as well be a good person, rather than you might notice matters or do whatever you want.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

I think it's also a level. Like, I think life is almost entirely about confidence and being, like, secure in what you do or don't do. No and don't know. And I think especially early on in your life and then early on at barstool, you're, like, chasing the success or trying to rep. You said you try to replicate Dave. You want the fans to like you. You're trying to be the biggest. You're comparing yourself all that. And then when you've a Done enough that you are like, all right, I've done enough. Like, I've done not. Not enough meaning, like, I don't want to do anything more, but, like, I have done well for this company, done well in life. I'm happy when you, like, really accept that. I think that it just comes with, like, a level of peace where it's just like, I'm good, and I'm not chasing that. I'm just gonna be myself. And then I think everything kind of. You just change. Everything about you changes when you reach that level of, like, acceptance.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Nirvana, whatever the you want to call it, for sure.

[C]

Like, there is a point where you get to a point. Exactly what you're saying, where you're like, you can keep working and. And keep hoping to climb, to be the biggest person in the world, or you can be like, I'm happy where I am. It's stupid because you also never. I want to stay where I'll never be the highest person in the world.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Like, I. I don't. I don't. I'm not, like, packing it in or anything like that. But, like, I. If I hope to. I hope to, like, almost like. Like, exercising. Like. Like it's more maintenance.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, at first, you got to go hard. You gotta cut carbs, all this. But, like, then you get to a level where it's, like, it's maintenance and, like, I can be happy living this kind of way. And I think I'm there for. At least for a little bit.

[A]

Whoever said. Whoever coined comparison is the thief of joy is maybe the realest ever, the real estate. Like, but it's so true. It's like, if you just Stop comparing yourself it, you'll be so much happier.

[B]

Dude, I, I joked about like the whole midlife crisis thing this summer.

[A]

Roosevelt. What Roosevelt said comparisons to Thiefa Joy.

[C]

Oh, oh, excellent. Thank you.

[B]

But I in a like a real no sense I'm reaching the point now where and you, you'll be good to bounce this off of because you, you have kids. But I by no means have like made it or been super successful. I've had a tad bit of success in the business world and.

[C]

But that's also a perspective thing bro. But I'm like 10.

[B]

I know, but I know, I know but I'm just constantly looking at like.

[A]

More bigger but that's, that's it.

[C]

But yeah, and you're gonna keep doing that forever until like when Joe Rogan went over to Spotify, he stopped comparing himself to comedians. He started comparison to companies.

[B]

Right.

[C]

That doesn't make any sense.

[B]

Right. But I'm starting to look at like what truly matters and to me it's like, like I need to start a family. I need to have kids because all my friends that they're like the happiest, most fulfilled people in the world like the ones that have little kids running around and it's like everything else has shifted perspective wise so much for them where it's like yeah, work is important but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter. And like being healthy like showing up to you know, like my business partner has two little daughters. This also ties into feeling out of touch thing. My two business partners are older than me. I've always been the young. I've always been the young. No, I've always been the young one. Bobby is like the middle aged one and he has two daughters who are in high school now and I was always like the one up on the music, the pop culture, what was working like marketing wise and all that. And now thanks to Bobby's daughters, he's in tune with all this. Jen, what is it?

[A]

Jen Alpha is like the youngest.

[B]

So all these like sayings, the tick tock stuff, he's always like posting, he's getting like an education. The girls are hilarious too. They're like the funniest little girls. And yeah, but so I'm like realizing like holy man I am.

[A]

You want that.

[B]

And like I'm like so far gone, like I can't even catch up or go back.

[A]

That's not true.

[B]

No, I mean I don't really think I want to though. Oh well, I mean that's a different world. I don't think I want to go like, hey, teenagers, like, fill me in on. Fill me in on what's cool.

[A]

Like, I thought you meant what everyone's talking about. Too late for you to have a family and kids.

[B]

Oh, no, no.

[A]

It's definitely too late for you to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like the. Yeah, go ahead. I was looking at my. My Instagram stats the other day. I was, like, going into my insights to send them to a sponsor, and I saw that my. My, like, biggest demo is like 34 to 44 or something like that. And my lowest One is like 18 to 18 to 24, which is, like, not good in a business sense. People love that demographic. But I was almost, like, proud that I was like, yeah, good. I'm like, I want people my age, I'm aging with them, right? And I almost want the young people to be like, who's that fucking old guy?

[C]

You know, I don't want to be.

[A]

I mean, I get you want everyone to love you, but I don't. I don't want to chase after that, you know, if they like me, cool. If they don't, like, that's the way it's supposed to be.

[B]

What do your kids think about.

[A]

They don't, like, quite know it. I really haven't, like, ever sat down and explained it to them. Like, we went to the Knicks, a Knicks playoff game together, and it was actually very cool timing because I take pictures and people recognize me, but for whatever reason, like, 20 people in a row recognized me in, like, one minute. It was like paparazzi. It was like, picture, picture, picture, picture, picture. Selfie, selfie, selfie. And they were like, what the was that? You know, And I was like, yeah, it just happens sometimes, you know? And they're like, like, they're like, you know, are you famous? I'm like, no, but not. I'm not like regular dads, but I'm definitely not. Don't. Don't go around saying that my dad's famous, you know, so it's. And like, they know that I'm on social media, but not really, because I'm also, like, so hesitant. I don't want them to go down the world the road of, like, how many followers and how many likes and how many, you know? But at the same time, I am like, like, Shay makes tick tock videos and stuff, and she's good at them. She can do these transitions. You know, she swipes at the camera and then she's wearing a new outfit, and I'm like, Sort of like, you know, maybe this is kind of in her DNA the same way. It seems weird because you say that about athletics and sports and stuff. We wouldn't really say that about, like, the Internet, but maybe, maybe this is something that is, like, her, you know, genetic or whatever, and she's got a head start and she might have a leg up with me if I can help her. So maybe I should cultivate that, you know? But it's also, I don't want her, like I said, going down that road of, like, the Internet being all that matters. But yeah, there's definitely, I mean, the kids thing. The flip side is, like, I know you. You think your. Your friends are, like, super happy, but I'm sure there are times where they're like, I would love a moment to myself and like, oh, my God, Dante can just, like, go to the club tonight or not go to the club and sit down, do whatever he wants, and, like, it's a lot of, like, fulfillment, but, like, just genuine, like, general happiness or like, your life's not, like, easygoing. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, no, it's.

[A]

It's still very difficult.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

I'm just saying the responsibility and the worrying, there's a lot that goes on.

[B]

The other side of it in terms of, like, business. Like, you're never going to get to a point where you're like, I made it. I did it. Like, right. I feel like even Dave would be like, bro, Dave used to say, I.

[A]

Want $10 million and I will disappear. I will go live on a beach. And I remember being like, no, like you, you. You do these videos and you like these people. You want. You want the attention and the interaction. And he was like, no, I just need the money. And I'm like, well, you know, it's like, when is enough enough? You know, but it's. The grass is always greener. So I cannot wait for my renovation to be done. Not only because that means I have a brand new kitchen, but that means I can finally use my brand new Hexclad cooking ware. Hexclad is going to give you the stainless steel strength you need with toxin free nonstick convenience in all your pots and pans. It's the cookware that is as serious about performance as you are about that meat thermometer. You can get slow simmered stools, slow simmer, slow simmered stews, comfort food, game day spreads, everything ranging from snacks to meals to desserts. Whether you're baking, cooking, Hexclad is the cookware that makes it easy and it's a game changer. They have a six piece and a 12 piece set that takes the guesswork out of cooking. I actually, one of the things I feel like is almost like a rite of passage is when you get your first apartment and you buy your own. Yeah, it's something I just, you never think of it as a kid. You're just like your mom's pots and pans. And then you're out on your own. Like, I gotta get some of this too. And you realize it could be expensive. You realize if you buy the cheap ones, they're. And it's actually going to affect your cooking. I just thought, I don't know, a pot's a pan. No, Hexclad is the perfect balance where it's not too expensive, but it's going to perform like, you know, top class, world class chefs. And you got the six piece and the 12 piece to take the guesswork out of it. Level up and get all the, all the cookware you need to make your kitchen go from good enough to how could I ever cook without this? Go to hexclad.com/kfc. It's HX clad.com/kfc. Get 10% off your order. It's one of those things if you're going to buy, if you have a kitchen, you're moving in, you need new stuff. You're going to have to buy pots and pans. It's a necessity. You might as well hook us up, help us out and get a good product. Use our, our link. It's hexclad.com KFC get the discount and enjoy Hexclad. Superior performance once again. Hexclad.com KFC for 10 off. It's definitely something to. Yeah, you know, how's this?

[C]

How's this? Critical thinking group chat. Yeah.

[A]

Where we at?

[B]

How's what?

[A]

Critical thinking chat. Chuck's out, right? What, what was the rat.

[C]

Can you. Are you allowed? Is it, is it kind of like a fight club? Are you allowed to, to talk about, like what's being discussed? Just a topic. You don't have to tell me people's opinions.

[B]

Just a lot of stuff that doesn't really add up in the world that.

[C]

You think that might be due to lack of information on your part. No, no, no, no. I'm the most informed person in the world.

[B]

Here's the thing. I don't, I don't make assumptions or, I mean I do, but it's that what the like official narrative is might not be, but, like, legit.

[C]

I think you just don't believe it ever. And, like, you don't really. So let me tell you something.

[A]

We.

[C]

We had you on somewhat recently, in the last year and a half or so to discuss a. A Boeing situation. I don't really remember what it was, but someone probably killed. And. And you came on and we talked about it.

[A]

Well, you're gonna. Come on.

[C]

We're gonna discuss this subject. And we came on and I. I said maybe three things that I read in an article. And you went, well, I didn't know you were going to do research for this. And. And I. I read one article, and. And it makes me think that you don't read a lot of articles.

[A]

This is also what I love about Dante. There's so many other people that would, like, take that personal and fight. And he. He does this every time. I mean, and he doesn't laugh.

[C]

We got. We can find the video of it. You were like, I know you could do research for this. I was like, well, we talked about you coming on, having a conversation about this topic. So I figured I'd read it in.

[B]

Article.

[C]

Like, one line more than the headline. So that makes me think that most of the things you get jacked up about, you're not doing a ton of research on.

[B]

No, it's actually the opposite. It's. I read too many different viewpoints, and I can agree. I can find myself agreeing with all those different viewpoints.

[A]

Yeah, you're very, like. You can get influence.

[C]

Yeah, I think that. I think that's human. Because I think if you're reading a viewpoint and you're like, okay, this is their argument. I'm the same way, like, 99% arguments. You give it to me. I'm like, yeah, you're making.

[B]

I'm also very, very distrusting. And I believe, like, none of what I hear and half of what I see. I know it's cliche.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But then you were also, like, reacting to all of them. That's not true, though, because. Because it, like, it sparks something in you where you're, like, writing a blog or a video. It's like, fuck this, you know?

[B]

Yeah, but, like, I really, really don't want to go down this rabbit hole. But, like, I don't know if I buy this whole Charlie Kirk thing.

[C]

Ah, okay.

[B]

Like, the more. The more I person.

[A]

They said, who shot him? You don't believe that.

[B]

Or the more I read, and the more that's, like, coming out this late after the fact, it's like, what the, like this just doesn't pass the smell test.

[C]

See, like I obviously couldn't possibly disagree with that more. But like that also is what happens when you fucking focus on something.

[A]

It's the hammer and nails.

[C]

You start noticing things, these little things. And like we were talking about most of life doesn't make sense. So like you're like every box doesn't make sense again. No, most things, most situations you've ever been in don't make sense. Like how did this happen? It's just, that's what life is.

[A]

I also think that while there is more likelihood of like a conspiracy or a cover up when you're talking about politics or powerful people or money. So yes, that, that the chances of that are heightened. But the fact that all of the big political happenings are always conspiratorial. Yeah, because you're making that, that narrative fit with whether it's 911 or an assassination or a pandemic or all these things. Like they can't always all be conspiratorial. But I, I do get that when you involve the government, powerful people in money that there's a better chance of that happening. But it cannot be every time.

[B]

No, I, I agree with that. Like I, something doesn't happen and I'm not automatically like, oh, we need to figure out and dissect a way, a way to disprove this. It's more like sitting back and being like.

[A]

But when you sit back and wait, what were you going to say? Finish that.

[C]

Well, I, I was going to say the, the conspiratorial stuff you guys are talking about and I was going to bring, I was going to change subjects to be honest.

[A]

So let me just say one more thing then. Cuz when you sit back and let it just like come to you, you got to realize that like the things coming at you are not real or fake. I mean the latest one I saw was the Taylor selling those, the necklaces with the lightning bolt on it. So she, she's. It's just got a lightning bolt on it. And that's the SS and Nazi thing.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So it started with that which is like. It's just a lightning ball, right?

[C]

No, yeah, that's what the SS logo was. A lightning bolt.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

This is a lightning bolt.

[A]

Yeah. It's like they do look like.

[C]

You're right. They're lightning bolts.

[A]

So then, then after that was if you, she's selling albums that when you put the four of them together it makes a clock. Right. And they said when you look at when you. When you put it together, look at the back. The album. Because her albums have that, like, white bar across, like a L shape.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And when you put them together, it makes a swastika.

[B]

And. Oh, my God.

[A]

But, but. And by the way, it does, like, it really does look like swastika. It's just. It's not true, though. It's like you have to. It's not. It's not. When you rearrange the.

[C]

You have to rearrange them.

[A]

You have to make it into a. But people just saw that one picture and one person. Person saying it. And now I've seen a million, you know, one minute man type video, green screen video, floating head. Look at this, look at this. And it's like. It's just.

[B]

Does that scare you, though?

[C]

Basically everything if you give it one. Google is not real. Like, like, like, like, it's like, that's not what.

[A]

Or it. Or it is real. Like one. One.

[B]

You.

[A]

If you search for. You know what I mean?

[C]

One way or the other, whatever the viral thing is, if you look into, like, this is my experience and it's. I'm not checking everything, but, like, I'm everything. I'm like, well, that is a little funky. And I Google it and it goes, that's not real.

[A]

That's. That's what happened with the Charlie Sheen thing. I was like, he didn't. 47. He didn't say that. And you look, it's like, no, he definitely didn't say that.

[B]

You know, it's.

[A]

What was your.

[C]

I was gonna say. I was gonna bring up the Epstein list because Dante likes that. And I will admit my stance on the Epstein list is I've dug my heels in a little bit on joking that it doesn't exist. I. I will allow for the fact that there's some funky stuff. No joke, no doubt. But what makes me think about it is, like, how the government now won't put anything out. Right. Isn't there the chance that we've elected the conspiracy theorists against all odds, the conspiracy theorists are now in control of releasing the conspiracies. And they're looking at. And going, well, there wasn't anything.

[A]

Say one more time. So the people, like. So you're saying, like, they. The. The Trump people of the world were like, we're going to get the Epstein lists. Then they got in power.

[C]

Pam Bondies, the.

[A]

The.

[C]

What's the guy? The bald guy, the Fox News guy. Cash Patel's the Trumps.

[B]

Bonino.

[C]

Benino. That's it. Yeah. Like, there's no reason for them to not put it out. Unless. Unless there's the fact that it doesn't exist. It's what they ran on. It's what all of them ran on. Well, the only reason I put it.

[A]

Out, I think the counter to that would people will be saying, you know, they found some names on there that they.

[C]

But what they've been running, like the. What the, the scope of names that we as the public have thought are possible in that. What name did you see in there that wasn't already being possibly thrown out? What name in there that is like, whoa, hang on. Like we've seen the biggest names possible where at least somewhat associated to it.

[B]

I don't think it's about who's on there. I think the average person can deduce, like, okay, it was like the richest, most powerful people in the world for the most part. I don't think that is what is the most important thing about it. I think the reason it's never going to see the light of day is because the minute the average person. American.

[C]

But you're ignoring my British person.

[B]

No, no, wait. The minute the average person realizes that these governments, and it's not just the US Government, these governments allowed children to be abused in these ways in order to gain political and economical leverage, it all burns down. I think that would be the thing that the soccer moms and the PTA parents grab fucking pitchforks and axes and.

[C]

Okay, but my question is. Okay, then, I don't think you answered my question. But the general public believes that right now that's the world we live in. Right, but it's, but they believe that also.

[B]

Also, there's a difference between, like, like the thinking it and knowing a smoking gun.

[C]

I, I agree.

[A]

I could see a world where if you, if you ran, if I ran for president, I was like, I'm going to tell you who killed jfk, where the aliens are, what the Epstein files is. And then you, let's say you get there and someone's like, sir, if you do this, here's what's going to happen. And then you like, learn about the fallout. And you might be like, exactly, exactly.

[B]

What I think happened.

[C]

No one told them that before they did the Epstein files release party.

[B]

Well, that was an absolute joke. Absolute joke.

[C]

But like, like, when, when would that step happen?

[A]

I'm not saying specifically with the Epstein. I'm saying with anything. Yeah. That, you know, you're releasing information. It might be like, once you find out what the ramifications are, you might be like, oh, never mind. But. But what you're describing, I mean, I. I use this all the time and everybody does. It's a cliche. It's like, if the world didn't burn down and people didn't get bent out of shape about Sandy Hook happening, like, what is. What's gonna. You know what I mean? I remember there's a big movement right now of, like, MAGA moms posting them and their sons, and they put on this dramatic music and they say, like, I'm raising a lion, not a sheep. And this is what Erica Kirk was talking about when she said that, like, that you awoke a sleeping giant. We are that. We are the giant mamas. Like, let's do this. And a lot of people in the comments were like, so, like, when kids get slaughtered at school, that didn't get you guys motivated, but like, this one guy did. Now. Now you're gonna raise the lions, but not when, you know, kids die. So it's like, yeah, but you're not wrong in that people pick things to get the Epstein files is more important than school shootings or anything else right now or whatever it is. People latch on to them. But. But yeah, I think your point stands.

[C]

It's like, I just don't get why they would do all this and then not do it and not do it there. I don't understand the argument for not.

[A]

Releasing the only thing unless that seems a little extreme. The switch up of, like, him being like, why are we still talking about this? That's. That's like, so egregious. Shady, dude, that it's like.

[B]

It's shady. It's gaslighting, like, because I.

[C]

But I don't think. I think it's more mass hysteria than gaslighting. I think. I think I. I think for sure something there was some funky business. Obviously. Jeffrey Epstein is a horrible person who did really bad things. I also think I accept the idea that someone thought they had a plea deal with the government. They lost their plea deal, now they're going to jail for being a pedophile, and they decide to kill themselves. That makes sense to me.

[A]

Yeah, that one's not like. I don't know. I don't necessarily think that's what happened, but it's not that crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the whole.

[B]

The whole thing stinks, dude. I mean, Johnson and like, you know, speaker of the House saying on camera like, trump's not in it. Get off it. Actually, Trump's in it because he was an informant. Oh, I never said that. Even though I'm on. I'm on camera saying that and then blocking all these votes to disclose it. It's like again, it's like if there's nothing in it, just put it out there. Make us look like idiots. Make everybody look like, oh yeah, I guess. I guess there was nothing. But don't hide it.

[A]

You know what the thing I think it was, Pam Bondi was like, I have it on my desk right now. And then was like, never mind. That's like. Well, so either you're incom.

[C]

Like it didn't ever really like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cuz there's nothing.

[A]

Right. I don't know.

[C]

I. I don't get why they would be so.

[A]

But then I feel like that then the line should have been like I said that I had it on my desk because like I was trying to do xyz and that was a lie. Like you, you gotta. When it's that big of a lie, you almost have to come clean in some way. Cuz otherwise it's like, well, now I can't trust you about anything because you said you had it.

[B]

Yeah, that.

[A]

That's a little tough. Did you see RFK's RFK talking about Epstein? I. I understand what he. What he meant, what he was doing, but it's a funny tactic. He was talking about how he's been at parties with him and stuff.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

And he was like, yes. It's not that big of a deal to me. He was everywhere. It's like, I hang out with Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby and he rattled. It's like, that's not the defense. I hang out with so many pedophiles. It's not even a big deal. Is not a good defense to. Why that's. That's a tough one. Well, yeah. Okay.

[B]

Well, one last thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is like totally going left field. How come you didn't go at Dave like you went at Pat Bev for the LE mascots shots?

[C]

Because Dave's first of all my boss. Second of all, half.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So like, I mean, I responded to Dave too.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No. If you listen to KFC radio today, I, I talked to Dave. I talk about Dave and what he said and I offer my thoughts on it.

[A]

But he's.

[C]

He's half right.

[A]

That also wasn't like a. I took.

[C]

I took some issues with what he said, but like by my own standards, mascots failed. So like I have to accept that. But yeah, I responded to him.

[A]

I.

[B]

So I felt, I felt really bad. I was. I. Whatever. It's not My fight. But I felt like that was pretty shitty because he obviously backtracked after and was like, I forget when it was maybe on unnamed or something, like kind of like watered down his initial clip or the clip that I saw. But it like frustrates me because this company, you know, we're always like hearing and he's, he's always like preaching and encouraging people to like take shots and try different stuff and all that. And then when they do and it's not an immediate success, it's like, yeah, it scourges the out people doing it.

[A]

And I know he, he's like, he. I think Dave operates the way in the outside world.

[C]

Why don't you ask me that without even knowing if I did or not?

[B]

Because I texted you last week. I, I tried to start a conversation. You completely ignored it and I didn't want to push it.

[A]

Yeah, but also the reason is there was a clip of Pat Bev and I don't think there's a clip.

[C]

That's, that's what bothers me.

[A]

Right.

[C]

People watch clips, but like to watch a clip of a three hour podcast be like, but you didn't say anything about the. Yeah, I did. I did. Like that clip didn't get millions of views. But like I said, I replied to that as well.

[A]

I totally agree with you. But I think we are at the point where we have to accept that like the three hour podcast is no longer really the medium that people are going to consume. So it's almost like.

[C]

But that's like, that is, that is exactly what like bothers me about, like social media. Because like I, I can envision people tweeting that at me. Why didn't you reply to Dave? I replied to Dave, you just watch this clip. It's instead of the other clip.

[B]

But no, you're right.

[A]

What if it's, it's, it's almost like if, if, if, if you did like an, if you're an important person, you like a sit down interview with like Barbara Walters or some. You didn't talk about something there and you were like, no, I spoke about that at like the little like town hall meeting thing. You know, it's like, well, we. Nobody watches that. People watch this. You know what I mean? It's almost like we have to get used to the fact that it's like, it's like when people say like, you know, do your research. And we used to be like, I'm not gonna like do my research. You know, like, like you should be informed. I'm not Going to, like, go out of my way to, like, learn, do my research.

[C]

I'm going to let the people who studied it for 40 years do the research for me and I'll read their stuff.

[A]

My. My point. I'm with you. I'm just saying we're at the point where it's like, it. You. I think you used to be able to say, go watch the whole podcast, not just the clip. It's like. No, people watch clips. That's what they do. They don't. They don't. They don't do.

[C]

I'm sorry, I honestly, I didn't see your text. What's your question?

[B]

I just. I was like, like, how much did you. And you don't have to say that on. You don't have to answer me, but how much did you spend on that?

[C]

Like barstool sports.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Spent 30 grand.

[A]

30K. Made 300.

[B]

I was gonna say not that much in the grand scheme.

[A]

Oh, making a TV show for 30.

[B]

It was. It wasn't like. It was a colossal failure.

[C]

So they made money. That's what that. That. That bothered me about Dave's. I actually, to be honest, I didn't see all the unnamed stuff. Stuff, but I did see the clip of him on the stream. And I said this on the show, but I said that it bothered me a little bit that I don't even know if he knows because, like, the financial success of it. Yeah, a couple hundred grand, probably nothing in the grand scheme of Barstool. Dave might not even know or care that it did make money. It was a profitable venture that I would have liked to have been made clear. And I would have liked if he shared his actual opinion on it rather than just kind of what, like, if he was. You know, I. I kind of. They. Honestly, there was a part of me that thought, like, kind of like with the Pat Bev stuff, like, I've been here a long time. I thought maybe I bought 20 minutes that, like, he'd give it a try. And. And that kind of just kind of hurt that he didn't. And so that. That bothered me. And then finally, like, I just didn't really understand why Le Mascots got that energy, which, like, it seemed like he was happy to be like, ha. Failed. Massive fucking failure. When Wake Up Barstool, when we're discussing those numbers, it doesn't get that same energy.

[A]

Give us grace. It's time to grow. We get. There's. I've heard a lot about Wake Up Our Souls. Like, no, we're getting like, digital benefit out of it and not TV benefits. Like, well, all right, you guys did a tour. You can play that game with everything if you wanted to. It's like you're just choosing to be negative.

[B]

But I think, like, one thing that this company's like, we've never been good at is thinking that way and thinking like, okay, this needs a little. We don't develop everything is like, if it's not smash out the gates, it's like, that was a failure. We need to move on.

[A]

Here's the thing. Here's what I think happens. I think Dave operates the way, like, externally, the way he is internally. I think Dave has incredibly thick skin, is ultra confident, and doesn't realize that. Like. Like, I don't think Dave can be discouraged. I think Dave, if he's doing something, like, nothing matters, right? That's like, that's why he's 100 millionaire. He's one of one. Regular people need. You know, I don't need an atta boy. I don't need you to coddle me. But I also don't need you to just, like, torpedo something or. Or. But because I don't think he realizes that when he says something, he might just be saying, yeah, whatever, I didn't like it. I thought it was a failure. And then there's like, a swath of people that take that as gospel. And it's like, I think that he's sort of like, if someone put this way, if someone said that about Dave's show, he wouldn't care. But that's because he is, you know, unique. A lot of other people are going to have some feelings the.

[C]

To put it back on me. Like, I've been here a long time, as I said, so I have to know how Dave operates. And luckily, I've been here long enough that that doesn't deter me because I know Dave doesn't actually give a. Yeah.

[A]

It'S the newer people that's tough.

[C]

I'm excited to do something next year. We will work on something next year. We'll be back next year.

[B]

Good. So that I'm happy about because I watched the show through the lens of. First off, you guys took huge risk. That was. Took a lot of balls.

[A]

It.

[B]

You bootstrapped, like, the whole thing.

[A]

It was.

[B]

Which I was, like, really proud of you guys.

[C]

Five people did it.

[A]

We.

[C]

We kind of. We kind of marketed it wrong a little bit at the beginning. We were like, it's a big project.

[B]

I. I was very offended that literally everybody in the company but me got a Cameo in it, bro.

[C]

You live in a different city. Do you know how this.

[B]

So do KB and Nick.

[C]

They were in.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[C]

You weren't ready to be one of the stars. You don't have a decade.

[B]

I just want cameo. Could have gave me Jackie's role, but no.

[C]

Jackie's way better than you.

[B]

Okay, anyways. Anyways. Anyways, other than. Other than getting shafted on a cameo, which I've been begging for, for you.

[C]

Live in Chicago, do you know how this has worked?

[B]

Five years I've been like, wait, look at me. Five years I've been like, dude, look at me.

[C]

Look at me.

[A]

You.

[C]

Do you have any idea how this works?

[A]

This is.

[C]

We fucking scrap as fast as we can and be like, does everyone have 20 minutes? Let's get out and do a scene. This isn't like, hey, let's fucking get Dante first class. I'm sure. Let's get Dante fucking you fly him in for a scene.

[B]

You know that's not the case.

[A]

I know.

[B]

People were messaging me on Twitter. They were like, what list are you on? I'm like, I'm on the pay my own fucking flights on Southwest and didn't even know we were allowed to expense anything until Summer House. That's like, list I'm on. I'm negative. I'm negative to buy.

[C]

Yeah, I'm the same. We're all on the same list. Never expiled an expense report.

[A]

I don't know how this money.

[C]

Oh, save the company a lot of money. Never once convo. Once I've spent.

[B]

I have done a couple that convo.

[A]

I don't have every really random.

[C]

Like, I've only done them when I'm, like, trying to be like, all right, I'm gonna start doing expenses, and then I do, like, two of one. I'm like, never mind.

[B]

That convo. That whole debate. I took every. It's doing it right.

[A]

Which one?

[B]

Every fiber. The first class.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Every fiber in my being to be like. Like, I'm not. I'm not gonna. And I'm not gonna interfere. I'm not gonna participate in this. This is just where things are at. Like, this company. These people have no clue. They have no idea. No clue how good they have it.

[A]

I'm with you. But also.

[C]

Actually, I'm sorry. Now think about the expense reports. Probably coming out even as far as the first class list goes. Yeah, probably coming out right about even totally.

[A]

Like, as expensive as tickets are, I've never put an Uber and certainly Not a pack of Marlboro Lights. Like, I agree with you. And there was a time where I used to sort of be like, we need to let these know. And then I've accepted. Like, I say this all the time. Like, when you talk to a college kid who's stressing about finals and you're like, it. This doesn't matter. But all they know is that this test is like the most important thing. So all. Yeah, that, like, sass or a young person knows is like, I want a first class ticket too. They don't. They're not thinking about, man, the guy who came before me, like, paid for his own flights and fought to work here. And they, you know, you can't expect people to, like, know that or dig that point, you know, but it. But it doesn't make it not true. No.

[B]

Good point. But back to the lay mascots thing. So I was like, like, you know what this is? In the grand scheme of things, this is great because this is going to inspire other personalities to step outside the box. And, like, we have so many creative people here.

[A]

We've seen so many, like, yes, we started podcasts and then other people do podcasts, and now theirs become the biggest ones in the world.

[B]

So many weirdos. We have so many, like, behind the scenes people that are insanely, insanely talented. And I feel like that zapped. Hopefully not. But I. I saw that and I was just like, man, that, like, now, like, these young kids, that for every.

[A]

One John who's like, yeah, like, but I'm gonna keep going. There's 10 young kids.

[B]

Yeah. They want to, like, I don't want to get knockout and do something. Yeah. Like, the last thing they want to do is. Yeah.

[C]

So that, like, I can tell you it did not affect out of order. I. It's a bummer if it'll prevent other people from doing it.

[A]

But, like, but you gotta realize that you're like, you're leading that pack of, like, veterans. You're a veteran and, like, I think you're giving them the confidence and the encouragement they need, whereas if someone else doesn't have that and all they have is Dave, it's going to be more. I mean, to succeed a bar stool, you're never going to get the pat on the back. And you almost have to be able to fight through the discouragement. But I think we close a lot of doors, probably unknowingly by being that tough and argumentative and critical and all that sort of stuff.

[C]

And I also think you're 100% right. With I think. I think. I think being scared. And actually, to be honest, in that. That same Large clip you mentioned earlier, Large had a great piece of advice, which, you know, anyone who's Irish grew up with the same advice, but like, you know, dance if no one's watching is the only way to do good stuff. Everything, you know, everyone just keeps trying to do a podcast and a clip show. Like, there's no creativity happening. No one's trying anything new.

[B]

Right.

[D]

We.

[C]

I was doing Something's Burning, Bert Chrysler's cooking show, and we were talking about mascots, and he. He very much enjoyed it, and he was impressed at the. The budget we had. And. And he brought up the good point that I hadn't really thought of until that moment, which was he was like, it's so good to see funny people doing other things. And he was like, because comedians, we've been told we have to do a podcast, we do a podcast, we do a podcast.

[A]

He said one.

[C]

Bert kind of goes to Joe Rogan, but he's like, one person told us all we have to do podcasts. And I. And I didn't really realize that until he said it, where I was like, oh, yeah, everyone creative in this generation just did a podcast because it was easy and we could do it. And it was.

[A]

It didn't really. People found a way to monetize a.

[C]

Big lift, made a lot of money, all that stuff. But there's so much cool that. And. And we as a people all accept that we are in a comedy vacuum, that there aren't good comedy shows, comedy movies being made, because everyone who's fucking funny is busy sitting on a couch telling a dumb story for the hundredth time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they do it 52 weeks a year, twice a week, and they never take a break for it. So they can't take the time to go do a movie for six months or whatever.

[B]

I. I am of the belief that you need to chuck up a bunch of shots, and if you're not chucking up shots, you're never going to score.

[C]

The. The best way I'd ever heard it put was Pablo Picasso. You know he is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He, what, painted like, a hundred thousand.

[C]

What's his most famous painting?

[B]

It's the, like, face melting one, right?

[C]

No.

[A]

Which one?

[C]

I don't know. No one knows, really. An art history major might know, but no one knows. But we all just know Pablo Picasso is. Because he's hammered.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

He was just prolific and just made, made, made, made. And I think. I think I've heard It explained as like an art history major can Maybe name you 7 Pablo Picasso paintings and I'm sure that's fantastic and all that stuff, but the point of it is all that like none of us really know what the Papa Picasso did, right? But we know who he was because.

[A]

And yeah, would I rather be the guy who like I made one painting and it went to the, the Louvre? Like sure, but those are the people who are really talented and, or lucky. And I think there's been a lot of that at barstool. And if you're not one of those, it's like there's no in between. It's either like you're, you're, you know, you, you've caught in the wave or you are like a new person who's just like holding on for dear life. And if I'm in the middle like trying and, and failing here and there, it's like people remember your misses and not your makes, right? And here in, in the world, but also here in general.

[B]

So it's like what's your, what's your not biggest regret? But what was something that you were high on and wish had longer life to it to see if it would have succeeded both of you?

[A]

I, I, well, I, I, I think Friday Night Pints was, was a great concept and kind of, it's very like the yak. It's, it was just like people, you know, hanging out, chopping it up and it was like, I don't know. How long did we do that for? Like a year? I don't even know. Maybe I would say two, maybe two years. Like it was not short, but not long. By the end, by the last like six, six to nine months let's say at finding people to do it was like impossible, ridiculous. And, and sometimes we used to do it like live in the pandemic. It started with like Friday night. And then I understand when we got back to life, like, that's tough. So we would do it like on a Thursday and then pre record it. And it was like, can you guys just like hang out for the afternoon and have a beer with us and talk? And it was like pulling teeth, you know?

[B]

And it's like we're, we're doing it again in Chicago.

[A]

I know. And I'm happy. Like I was when Ella Kic reached out and, and I was like, they're perfect to do it. And if, and if there's a bunch of people in Chicago that all want to do it, like, awesome. But it was sort of like I remember thinking if you watch the show, you get, like, six different barstool personalities. We're mixing up men and women. We're mixing up sports and pop culture. And, like, from a sponsor point of view and a fan point of view, this is like, it.

[B]

Oh, it's no brainer.

[A]

And. And it did work, but then people were just like, I don't want to do this anymore. You know, And. And then for me, personally, like, I wanted to do the whole comedy thing, where it was, like, do a little bit of the business side and, like, create a stable of comics and influencers and all that. And I wanted to, like, do it in New York. And it was just made very clear. Like, I don't think the people really responded. And then Dave was like, we're not doing that. And I'm pretty convinced because it's not even. It doesn't have anything to do with me. It's not a novel concept. Like, that idea would work if somebody were to do it, because it's just a good idea. Yeah. But it just never, you know, I mean, that. It was comical how it was like. I think he bought the company, like, four days after we decided to do that. So it's like, new comedy thing.

[C]

No, we're done. So that.

[A]

But that. That was never. That even really got off the ground. I would think that. Do you have a thing that.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Shows. We tried to do TV shows, like. I mean, like, a show about television.

[C]

That. That was what first came to my head. I don't. I don't think we had the right concept. We didn't. We were doing it right. We had the right idea.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That we just didn't really do.

[A]

And I. I also, like. It's kind of. It's always a chicken or the egg thing where it's like, there were times where they said, build this and then we'll sell it. And then there were times we're like, we're going to sell this, and then you build it and. And none of it ever pans out. And we tried. You know, television's tough because it was like, either you're speaking to people who maybe haven't watched the show and you don't want to spoil it. But then if you're talking to the people who have talked, who have watched it, you want to talk about all the things. We never figured out, the right format or the right way to do it. But had there been a world where it was like, we have this sponsorship money, like, ready to go if you do this thing, like, I Think we would have figured out a way to make it work.

[C]

I remember particularly at that time with sales, it was like they were, they were trying to market it to, like, a network. And then we were like, well, we can't really talk about the show, right, if it's for a network, because then we just got to suck all the shows dicks. And like, it's not really ever, right? That show's not going to be.

[A]

I ran into that even just with doing TV reviews, like, tried to do that last summer. And I was like, I was, I was like, I'm going to make a run at, like, reviewing television shows. And right away I was critical of a couple shows and the numbers went down because people were like, they want to. And it makes sense. If you like a show, you seek out something and then you have someone being like, actually, this was not good. You're not going to watch that. And I was like, I, I, I put the kabash on the whole thing. I hate to give up quickly because, like, you never know. But I was like, I can't be phony about this. So, so there are a couple things that are like, doa, personally, professionally, whatever. Aside from Friday Night Pints, which I think is just a good concept, would work. I think all of it is like, I don't have one, but it's just like the idea of, like, try this, try that. And I wish it was more like, okay, around here. It's just like, that didn't work. That didn't work here. A failure. Chicago's better. It's very personal thing, you know, it's like. And that makes it tough. But again, I'm in a position where, like, I've been here long enough, I've done well enough, I'm okay with it, but I feel bad for the, the next person, you know.

[B]

Good. Well said.

[A]

Cool. Good stuff. Dante, Good question. Yeah.

[C]

What was that?

[B]

Thanks, fellas.