Feitelberg on the Rise of 'Saturdays Are For The Boys' ft. Tom Pelphrey - Full Episode

Summary

KFC Radio – Feitelberg on the Rise of 'Saturdays Are For The Boys' ft. Tom Pelphrey

Podcast: KFC Radio
Hosts: KFC (Kevin Clancy) & Feitelberg (John Feitelberg), Barstool Sports
Guest: Tom Pelphrey
Date: December 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

This milestone KFC Radio episode is both a celebration and a moment of reflection, marking the impending end of the long-running show. The hosts (KFC & Feitelberg) kick off with their signature banter, traversing topics from pop culture drama (Tarantino vs. Paul Dano) to the true origins of Barstool’s iconic “Saturdays Are For The Boys” slogan. Nostalgia runs high as the hosts reminisce about favorite moments, share lessons learned from years in digital media, and read touching listener letters. The episode culminates in an insightful, candid interview with acclaimed actor Tom Pelphrey (Ozark, Task), who opens up about his craft, sobriety, and keeping it real in Hollywood—and fittingly, is named the final guest in KFC Radio’s history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spotify Wrapped & Show Legacy (1:18–1:52)

• The hosts delight in fans sharing their Spotify Wrapped stats showing thousands of minutes spent with KFC Radio.
• KFC reflects:

  "Send me your Spotify raps. I want to see the top, you know, 5.5% of fans. There’s always one freak who’s like…a hundred thousand minutes…”
  (01:18, KFC)

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2. Tarantino vs. Paul Dano & Online Drama (04:10–12:52)

• The hosts dive into the entertainment world’s buzz after Quentin Tarantino labeled Paul Dano “weak sauce” and “the most uninteresting actor in SAG”—prompting massive support for Dano online.

• Feitelberg:

  “It’s the meanest thing. Like, even Paul Dano’s gotta be like, dude, that’s awesome. Tarantino hates me that much. That’s crazy.”
  (05:02, Feitelberg)

• KFC notes the internet's counter-reaction:

  “It’s almost the best thing that can happen—to have someone so prominent be so negative. Which is counterintuitive.”
  (11:00, KFC)

• A wild Reddit theory emerges: Dano supposedly lost a Tarantino role by refusing to do a foot-fetish scene, allegedly leading to career sabotage.

• The segment morphs into a humorous highlight of a comedian’s viral “I want to fight Paul Dano” rant, exemplifying how certain jokes live forever in podcast lore.

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3. Classic KFC Radio Bits: Hardcock Toll Booth & Listener Memories (15:10–21:38)

• The hosts recall memorable, absurd podcast moments, including the infamous “Hardcock Toll Booth” debate:

  “If there was a toll booth, and instead of a money transaction, it’s a guy standing there with his cock out, do you want it to be hard or soft?”
  (17:41, KFC)

• The segment is a riot of gross-out humor and genuine belly laughs, highlighting the unique barroom tone that made the show resonate with fans.

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4. Reflections on Quentin Tarantino & Pop Culture Lists (23:03–29:26)

• Debate over separating art from artist and Tarantino's unique quirks (e.g., foot fetish scenes).
• Unpacking Tarantino’s “Top 10 Movies of the Century” (which includes shock picks like “Black Hawk Down,” “Toy Story 3,” and “Unstoppable”).
• KFC & Feitelberg disagree with fans blindly adopting celebrity opinions:

  “Fans will make their opinion whatever Quentin Tarantino makes. I don’t like that. Disagree with them every now and then.”
  (25:30, KFC)

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5. Longevity, Podcasting, and Barstool’s Cultural Impact (36:29–52:47)

• The true story behind “Saturdays Are For The Boys”:
  • Feitelberg reveals the phrase emerged organically among friends, not from a mysterious fisherman.
  • The irony of credit battles and viral branding is unpacked with good humor:

    “Launched an eight-figure revolution in a blackout.”
    (41:00, KFC)

• The guys reminisce about Barstool merch culture, how podcast moments become memes, and how luck, timing, and staying power can shape a content career.

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6. Aging, Life Lessons, and Advice (51:10–64:09)

• The conversation pivots to life wisdom: aging bodies, pain, and learning from older generations.

• Humorous—and painfully relatable—tales about no longer being able to sit cross-legged or handle stairs:

  “I did a day recording podcasts…stood up and felt like I rolled my ankle. I know for a fact — I just sat down today.”
  (81:28, KFC)

• “Get your ass kicked and keep showing up” as key to surviving both media and life.

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7. College, Careers, and Modern Realities (57:42–63:41)

• The hosts question the value of college in 2025, citing student debt, changing societal norms, and career evolution via the internet.
• Encouragement for listeners: Seize unique opportunities, don’t feel pressured to follow tradition.

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8. Listener Letters & Show Impact (87:57–94:19)

• A powerful listener DM from Danielle details how KFCR carried her through life’s highs and lows, including a recent battle with cancer.

• The hosts read—often with gratitude and emotion—similar stories of the show helping fans through addiction, heartbreak, or trauma.

• KFC:

  “That’s been a lot of those…I’ve gotten a lot of good stuff—people getting through addictions, diseases, divorces, injuries…”
  (89:49, KFC)

• Reflection: while the show was always most about the friendship and authentic conversation between the hosts, the accidental power and community it fostered is reaffirmed as its greatest achievement.

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Interview: Tom Pelphrey (starts ~99:43)

1. Becoming the Final Guest and HBO’s "Task"

• Tom Pelphrey is honored as the last guest in KFC Radio’s long history; the hosts praise his work on HBO’s “Task.”

• Pelphrey shares that he judges his roles by whether his younger brother would watch the show:

  “My brother likes me. If he’s going to watch it, then I know it’s good.”
  (102:28, Pelphrey)

• The authenticity of the show’s Delco setting and accents is discussed (“as real as it gets”), and Tom details the showrunner’s decision to move back to his Pennsylvania hometown.

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2. On Acting, Craft, and Preparation

• Pelphrey breaks down his process, including in-depth research for his portrayal of a bipolar character in “Ozark”:

  “I read this fascinating book about bipolar… It was so eye-opening but so intense. Even if you haven’t experienced that, if you crank [emotions] to 11, you can kind of relate to almost everything.”
  (111:42, Pelphrey)

• The ethical/artistic commitment:

  “It’s not our job to be liked…I take it seriously—the responsibility to bring a character to honest life in service of the story.”
  (114:17, Pelphrey)

• On the randomness and collaboration of showbiz:

  “You rarely get the opportunity to do the fullest extent of what you think you might be capable of.”
  (106:41, Pelphrey)

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3. Sobriety, Self-Work, and Life Perspective

• Pelphrey’s most life-changing decision: getting sober twelve years ago.

  “The decision I made that changed my entire life—the best decision I ever made—was getting sober...Everything changed.”
  (120:53, Pelphrey)

• His advice: do the internal work, and the rest will follow.

  “Change the outside world by how you are inside. Everything organizes itself around that.”
  (122:44, Pelphrey)

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4. Pop Culture & Lighthearted Moments

• The hosts prompt Pelphrey on the Tarantino/Paul Dano controversy; he admits that kind of negativity would sting, but jokes about hoping it’s “personal.”
• Pelphrey and Feitelberg bond over childhood weight sets and big hairlines.
• Mutual love for East Coast culture, sports, and self-deprecating humor round out an interview that is warm, real, and surprisingly vulnerable for the format.

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Notable Quotes

On podcast legacy:

“All those eye-rolling lessons are the most important thing you can learn...Just keep going.”
(53:22, KFC)

On staying power in media:

“Longevity is as important as talent...Something falls out of the sky, or you earn it, but it’s because you were there.”
(117:43, KFC)

Listener reflection:

“Nothing/no one could ever take away KFC Radio for me. Come hell or high water, I tuned in. Then hell or high water actually did come…I was diagnosed with a rare cancer. I popped in my headphones and escaped to John and Kevin’s world for a bit.”
(89:09, Danielle’s DM)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:18 — Spotify Wrapped & Positive Reinforcement
• 04:10 – 12:52 — The Tarantino/Paul Dano Debate, Internet Reactions
• 15:10 – 21:38 — Hardcock Toll Booth, Listener Memorable Moments
• 23:03 – 29:26 — Tarantino’s Favorite Films, Pop Culture Opinion
• 36:29 – 52:47 — “Saturdays Are For The Boys” Origin Story, Merch Myths
• 51:10 – 64:09 — Aging, Longevity, and Keeping Perspective
• 87:57 – 94:19 — Listener Letters, The Impact of the Show
• 99:43 — Tom Pelphrey Interview Begins
  • 102:28 — Judging roles by family reactions
  • 111:42 — Preparing for Ozark’s Ben: understanding bipolar
  • 120:53 — Pelphrey’s sobriety story
  • 122:44 — “Change the outside world by how you are inside”

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Memorable, On-Brand Moments

• Feitelberg’s repeated confusion between Paul Dano and Michael Pitt.
• “Launched a, like, eight-figure revolution in a blackout.” (41:00, KFC)
• “I was thinking that. Honestly, dude, I was...Pelfrey’s hairline’s popping right now.” (124:42, Feitelberg)
• The running gag: “All we needed was one ounce of positive reinforcement!” as Pelphrey urges the show to stay.

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Conclusion

This episode is quintessential KFC Radio: a blend of outrageous hypotheticals, deep-dive pop culture debates, candid behind-the-scenes lore (including the truth behind “Saturdays Are For The Boys”), hard-earned life wisdom, and heartfelt listener connection. Tom Pelphrey’s appearance, rife with insight about the arts and about real life, brings the show full circle in style—showcasing the unique chemistry and relevance that made KFC Radio a fixture in Barstool and podcast history.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is. Has. Has for the last few years, been my favorite and really only type of positive reinforcement. I always really liked when people, like, would show. Like, I listened to the show for, like, thousands of minutes. That always made me feel really good. So we got one last season. So send me your Spotify raps. I want to see the top, you know, 5.5% of fans. There's always, like, one freak who's like. Like, it's like a hundred thousand minutes. All right, it's another edition of KFC radio on the Barstool Sports network. This Paul Dano and Quentin Tarantino thing is one of my favorite stories of all time.

[B]

I didn't realize it was a. I sent it to you yesterday. I realize it's like, a thing. Oh, it's a thing. Oh, it's a thing.

[A]

Thing.

[B]

I thought I was giving you a tip.

[A]

You were. Oh, okay. You did. Yeah. You were the first person to send it to me, and I actually. So I. Let me.

[B]

Let me.

[A]

Let me explain first. Then I'll talk about that text. So if you haven't seen it, Quentin Tarantino has been doing this Podcast with Brent Ellis, Brett Ellis, who is the author of American Psycho, and by the.

[B]

Way, Brett Easton Ellis.

[A]

Brett Easton Ellis. They're doing it on his Patreon, which I'm sure is good for business, but also, you dumb fucking asshole, put this out. You know what I mean?

[B]

Tarantino is a big podcaster. Yeah, like. But like. Like, they put him out. Right.

[A]

I'm just saying that, like, the reaction to this video, to this podcast is all just, like, clips of.

Screenshots of text and stuff. It's like, we haven't seen the video. And I was like, I think I'm just gonna buy this guy's Patreon and then put a clip out. But I was like, that's kind of shitty. That's why it's behind a pay wall. It's like, at least put out a clip so people can hear him say it. All it is is just text anyway. That's besides the point. Quentin Tarantino was making his list of, like, the top 25.

[B]

Let's keep going.

[A]

Let's keep going.

[B]

We don't have to get into the weeds of it. We'll. We'll save them. But let's just talk about how crazy it is in this studio that does.

[A]

It goes through the hole. Okay.

[B]

Does this happen in other studios? Like, in other networks?

[A]

No. Oh, heavens no. They. No.

[B]

Like, I'm just wanna. Like, it might be like, no, we have to put fire alarms in every room. But I don't think that it also takes so long.

No, we're not. No, you don't have our attention. You're not getting our. We're doing something right now. Okay, I'm fucking in the middle of something. I don't have time to hear about the evacuation plan right now.

[A]

One of these days it's going to be real. We're going to be like, we're just burning up.

[B]

That I always felt really cool about in high school when I wouldn't leave.

[A]

You didn't go to the fire? I love the fire. Get outside for a little bit.

[B]

But, like, we kind of had, like, a cool thing where it was just like, nah, that was it. The dumbest. Scared of death.

[A]

The dumbest. That makes you cool when you're a.

[B]

Kid, you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, nah, I don't even go outside.

[B]

Fire alarms.

[A]

Come on over here, baby.

[B]

I had a fire alarm at the.

[A]

Gym the other day, and, like, nobody went.

[B]

And then after, like, 25 minutes, you're like, we all. We're all gonna get outside, but it's cold outside.

[A]

So it's just like everybody, like, short.

[B]

Mid pump in a short.

[A]

It's just like 15 minutes, just no one knows each other. Was super awkward.

[B]

That is terrible.

[A]

Sometimes. I mean, I remember doing them in, like, the high rises. You had to, like, down the stairs, and it was crazy. It's like, I'm. I'm on the 12th floor. I gotta walk down now. It's nuts. Anyway, back to this Tarantino thing. Tarantino has been doing his list of, I think, the top 25 movies of the century, and he's been releasing it in, like, 10 movie chunks, and the world keeps talking about it, and he finally gets to the top 10. And there will be blood was number, like, three, I think. And he said There Will Be Blood would have been number one or number two. But it has one giant flaw, and that flaw is Paul Dano. He's weak, man. He's just a weak sauce actor. The most uninteresting actor in sag.

I mean, that's the meanest thing I've ever heard.

[B]

It's the meanest thing. But it's one of those things where it's so mean that it's like. Like, even Paul Daniel's gotta be like, dude, that's awesome.

[A]

You got. You got one of the greatest of all.

[B]

Tarantino hates me that much. Like, that's crazy. I left.

[A]

I left such an impact on one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. And I' tell you why I think he really loves it, is the reaction has been, I would say, 100% pro. Paul Dano.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I have not seen. I mean, this is just Twitter and fans and, I don't know. I have not seen anybody be like, except for Andy Haynes.

[B]

But I'm kind of.

[A]

You. You're not a Paul Dano guy.

[B]

I'm not an Andy Haynes level. I'm not a Tarantino level. But when. When Paul Dano's in movie, I'm kind of like, dude.

[A]

The reaction is like, total opposite. Everyone's like, he is brilliant. He's. He's so underrated. And a lot of people are now shouting out that he.

[B]

He was great. And There Will Be Blood.

[A]

He took that role. He had three weeks.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So, like, that's cool, too, to be able to be like, oh, this role that you're criticizing. Like, I. I hung with Daniel Day Lewis with, like, two days prep. You know what I mean? I. It's been a avalanche of support for Paul Daniel.

[B]

He's. He's. He actually, I'll say he's very talented. I Just don't. He kind of. That's fine the wrong way. He's very good at his job.

[A]

And you know what, though?

[B]

Except in Murder by Numbers, you don't.

[A]

Like or you do like?

[B]

I do like. I'm pretty sure he's in that. It's definitely.

[A]

He was great in Clitz. He was. Clitzy was a great character in Girl Next Door. Remember that?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, that and.

[A]

I thought he was a good riddler. I liked him in, in, in the Batman.

[B]

I saw that Batman once. I liked it. Didn't love it.

[A]

I think he was a good.

[B]

Wait, no, he's not. It's. It's Michael Pit. I always get them confused.

[A]

See, that's the thing you don't even know. It's like, is that I think that there's probably a decent amount of people who feel the same way you do. It's comes out so brazenly like that. Like, I don't. I don't care about Paul Dino one way or the other. I'm now supporting Paul Dano because I'm like, what the is this you Quentin Tarantino? Who are you? Foot fetish narcissist freak? You know what I mean?

[B]

Like all of a sudden something still though, too though of like, if Bill Belichick is like, that guy sucks at football, you'd be like, well, maybe I think so.

[A]

But that, that felt personal to me for sure. So that would be like if, if Bill Belichick was like, I mean, this is not, you know, if Paul, if Bill Belichick said something negative about Tom Brady right now, I'd be like, that's. You got with him.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

And I'm not saying Paul Dano is Bill Belichick Tom Brady, but if, if, if it was like a universally agreed upon bad performance or just that just felt like, no, no, no, that's your problem.

[B]

That was that. That was like, Quentin Tarantino's insane. He just wants to be an insane person now.

[A]

I did see there is a conspiracy theory that's floating around Reddit from six years ago that somebody made a throwaway Reddit account and they said, I gotta tell a story. I'm friends with Paul Dano. He was offered a big juicy role in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And when they were going through the script, there was a scene where he. It's like a five minute foot fetish scene where he had to like put his bare feet up. And they said that this scene had people touching it and talking about it. And Paul Dano supposedly was like, bro, what the is this about? Like, we're not really doing all this, right? You're gonna, like, cut this down and. And allegedly Quentin Tarantino said, cool, cool. You don't like it, whatever. But I write feet the way Martin Scorsese writes violence. So if you don't do the feet, you don't do the film. And he said that Paul Dano walked, and then like, two weeks later, his entire, like, career dried up. Like, offers got pulled and directors stopped picking up the phone. So I can't be. No, I'm absolutely not. But it's also one of those things that's like, so specific and weird, but.

[B]

What even role was there in, like, I'm just trying to think of, like, other juicy roles. And once upon a time, that was.

[A]

The thing people were like, that scene wasn't in the movie.

[B]

So, like, I mean, he's gonna make Paul Dano do. He's gonna make someone else do.

[A]

Theoretically, you could be like, maybe some other people said, yeah, that is a little bit too much, Quentin. And like, he cut it. The only reason I give it also.

[B]

Sounds a lot like Billy Walsh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Was that like, when Billy Walsh wrote Into Medellin, I wrote it to Queen Boulevard talking about a real person Boulevard.

[A]

That Vinnie was going to have to suck a guy's dick or get his dick sucked. Yeah, yeah. And that was like a test, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So, yeah, it's all those things. The only reason I give it a little bit of credence is, like, if someone came out today and said that, I'd be like, you're just like, making this up. But it's like it was six years old when no one was talking about Paul Dano. Like, so I'm like, I'm going to choose to believe that's the reason why, which that's far fetched. But I do think there's, like, something there that he does like him. But I think from a PR point of view, it is interesting. Like, I would imagine Paul Dano doesn't give a fuck about this because they're actors and they're like, I don't care about Internet chatter. And even though I think it's part.

[B]

I think part of you would care. I think more of I would call the answer for myself, but part of me would care, like, what the fuck did I do to Quinteno?

[A]

Okay. So that's what part of me would.

[B]

Also be like, it's kind of awesome that he hates me that much.

[A]

If Paul Dano reacted Exactly like that right now. I mean, he's already got a lot of support, his star. It would be on the ride if he came out right now and, and said like, what the is up with Quentin Tarantino? And then also did like some sprinkle in like some self deprecating humor, but also flexing on them, being like, yeah, I mean, listen, Daniel Day Lewis outshined me. I, you know, I only had three weeks to prepare for that. I could have had three years and he would still be better than me. But you know, laying there and, and I really, you know what, you should put his feet up and be like, oh look, it's, it's me, it's Paul, Paul the flawed Dano here. You know, put your feet up and be like Quentin Tarantino. I'm doing something Quentin Tarantino finally likes. You know, like he could, he has a, A, a blank slate right now that if he really wanted to, I think he could garner like so much love, even more so than he's getting. Because there's one thing I learned on the Internet, man.

Becoming like something that people feel they need to support. Yeah, it's like the best thing, like if Quentin Tarantino said nice things about him that would just come and go. If Quentin Tarantino was just like, I think Paul Dano is one of the best actors of a generation. I think some people would go, huh?

[B]

I bet he said that about 10,000 actors.

[A]

Yes. But he says you're the worst ever. And that makes people who are either fans of you or indifferent of you, but are like kind of taking umbrage with the fact that this guy's being such a dick to be like that. Paul Dano is awesome. Now let me show you the clips and the pictures and the reasons why the stories. Like it's, it's, it's almost the best thing that can happen to you is having someone so prominent be so negative, which is counterintuitive. Now you have to want to like get in the mud on the Internet and like make a video or do an interview or do these things where. That's what I'm saying, Paul Daniel's probably like, I'll just, you know, I don't know, let ride this out and I'll do my next movie. Yeah, but if you wanted to. This is like PR that you cannot buy. You cannot get attention like this, this is as good as it gets. And, and Tarantino is like such a weirdo that like.

It'S the perfect storm of the, it's the perfect actor of people. I Think kind of being like, oh, that guy. I don't think that's that bad. And Quentin Tarantino is so respected, but such a lunatic and has enough hate and love. It's just the perfect storm to create a big entertainment story. But God damn it, so funny to just be like most. If someone ever said to me, like, you're the most uninteresting person in your field, I'd rather be called fat, ugly, gross, lame, loser.

[B]

The most uninterested guy in SAG is crazy. Oh, crazy.

[A]

And then so. So John texted me and. And I didn't even. I just saw, like, I didn't read the tweet. I just saw the names. And you mentioned Andy Haynes, so I didn't read what he actually said. And by the time I. I actually read it, I saw it was like, everywhere. And people were really buzzing about it in the entertainment world. But it was funny because it. It brought back this Andy Haynes clip, which from Answer the Internet comedian Andy Haynes. The question was, if you could take over someone's life by fighting them and killing them, who's one celebrity you would fight and kill? And then you get to take over their life? And he was like, I don't even want his life. I just want. On the record, I want to fight Paul Dano, and I'm gonna kill you too.

[B]

And the way he even says.

[A]

He goes, I want to treat you like Daniel Day Lewis did at the end of There Will Be Blood. But the way he said it was so funny. We can play the clip here, but.

[B]

Okay, I want to put this on the record. Just because we're putting this on the Internet, it says, if you could fight one person to death and switch lives with them, only if you win, who would it be? And I'm just going to say, I just want to fight one person to death. And that is Paul Dano, the actor Paul Dano. I don't want his life. I don't like Zoe Kazan, his wife that much either. I just want to fight you, Paul Dano, and I want you to fuck. I want. I want to treat you like fucking Daniel Day Lewis did at the end of There Will Be Blood, except it's just out of spite for your overacting SK screen.

[C]

Whatever. I don't.

[B]

You're dead. You're dead. I'll kill you. Paul Damon.

[A]

The way he was just like, I just want to fight you for your. Cuz you're a whole stick of overact. Whatever, man, whatever. I just want to. You're dead, dude.

[B]

You're it was so passionate. Honestly, probably my. The two an Internet answers that stick out the most to me, that one. And.

Dude, what's his name? He's a serious, like, rap guy. Who was your boy began with like an R. He's from Detroit.

[A]

From Detroit. A rapper from Detroit. That.

[B]

He wasn't a rapper.

[C]

He.

[B]

But he, he was. He's a white guy, shorter, kind of a maniac. He wrote a few books. I think he was the Irish guy. No, he wasn't Irish. A white dude from Detroit. A serious XM show.

[A]

Oh, Rude Jude. Rude Jude Jude. Yes, yes.

[B]

Rude Jude. Yeah.

[A]

What did he say? I mean, everything he says is crazy.

[B]

He had a. He had a lot. It was like, would you go back and kill baby Hitler? And he was like, no, don't you want the American middle class?

And then like, the whole room was like, whoa. He goes, look, I'm just speaking facts. Hitler created the middle class in America.

And then like, I remember like, being like, what was he talking about? And like, not looking it up, not researching it, but like realizing and learning that, like, yeah, the production for military goods in the 1940s did more or less create the American middle class.

[A]

I mean, there's a reason why we, like, there's all those conspiracy theories about.

[B]

World War II because it, it created.

[A]

A lot of shout out to Hitler for your, like, you know, McMansion in your, in your housing development.

[B]

That's like, what the.

[A]

I, I. That is a funny thing that's happening right now is.

It would be interesting to sit down and be like, what are your. Like you like, those are two things. I know I did not remember that at all. And I have mine that I, you know, that always stick out of me. And this just happened with, with Frankie and Trent. Frankie and Trent on foreplay, did a video shouting out the end of KFC radio and both of them kind of echoing what everyone's been saying of like, this is how I got into barstool and this is what got me into podcasting and content. And so I texted him, I said, thanks, thanks for the shout out, guys. And Frankie said, like, for sure. I absolutely love the show. And Hardcock Toll Booth will forever be one of my best memories. And I read Hardcock Toll Booth and I was like, what the is that? No recollection of that. And so I went back and found that episode. And the fact that, like, to me, that's like having re watched it, it's like, that's one of the funniest, like, moments.

[B]

Can we watch it right now? Because I remember Hot Hancock toll booth. I remember laughing so hard at it. I just don't remember what it really entails.

[A]

Okay, so in. And it is. It's funny, but it is.

It's Frankie, man. It's Frankie. Like, he is the fucking.

[B]

Frankie's the funniest person.

[A]

He really is. Really is. And even.

[B]

Even fucking what? I saw a clip from the Internet Invitational the other day, and it was. I think it was from the finale or something like that. And it was. Paige hit a shot, and Frankie's gonna make me cry. He's like, but, like, you're gonna make me cry. And, like, that would be so funny in and of itself. But then the fact that Frankie immediately is, like. I was gonna say come. It's so funny.

[A]

And also knowing if you really know Frankie's humor, especially from KFC radio, where he's always talking about his very graphic porn, it's like, you know that he.

[B]

Was thinking, I'm gonna come.

[A]

Okay, so this is right off the rip. This is how the episode starts. It's great. I get a text from Frankie over the weekend. Well, actually, we were talking about some other. I think we're talking about, like, a mutual friend, right? We're having a normal conversation. And then Frankie is like, oh, and by the way. Yeah, And. And that's what really makes it as funny. I'll get the exact wording of it because to. To. To bring this conversation up in general is obviously silly, but. But the way it just drops in. So, yeah, I did an interview on the show. Brilliantly dumb Frankie knows the guy from Long Island. So we're just talking about that and him and his career, and then he just goes, who's that?

[B]

That guy we couldn't work with?

[A]

Robbie. I had a debate on our way to the golf course yesterday.

John. This is John's first time hearing him. If there was a toll booth on the road, and instead of a money transaction, it's a guy standing there with his cock out, and you got to just grab it and give it a pull to get through. Do you want the guy to be hard or soft?

Now, before we even start answering.

[B]

Wait, all right. Before we start answering.

Well, we.

[A]

We do this on the show.

[B]

No, I know. I mean, like, right now, I don't know what my answer was then.

[A]

Okay, so we'll do it on the count of three. You want it harder? Soft. You got one, two, three.

[B]

Rock hard. Yeah. And so that's what makes this even funnier is this come from. You know, we were on the Road for, like, seven or eight days.

[A]

And we're going through all these. Got to be from his brain.

[B]

We're going through all he thinks of.

[A]

These things, going through all these crazy.

[B]

You know, mountainous drives and all this stuff.

[A]

And I think we saw this road called, like, Hard Rock Road or something like that. And I was like, trent, you want.

[B]

To take a little spin down Hardcock Road? It's one of those dumb just in the car jokes, right?

[A]

And then I said, what would happen on Hardcock Road?

[B]

Because, you know, the joke was over.

[A]

But I'm still sitting there thinking, like.

[B]

If there was a street called Hardcock Road, what would happen if you pulled.

[A]

Down that street and there's a dude standing there being like, all right, like, you got to give me a pole when you gotta go.

[B]

And then the thing comes up after you yank his. So I said to Trent, what would you like? What's the ideal position of that, man?

[A]

Now, I think this is a no brainer.

[B]

I think so, too. Okay?

[A]

And I think we're gonna be on the same page, and there's a person here who disagrees with us, and it's fucking insanity. So I say. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna count to three, and you either say hard or soft.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Okay. One, two, three. Hard.

He wants a soft.

[B]

Why? I didn't like touching my own soft dick. I can't imagine someone else's. Wait, Trent's the soft. Trent's the softy.

[A]

Trent wants the soft dick.

[B]

I thought for sure it was gonna be frank.

[A]

No, Frankie loves a hardcock.

I mean, one of the craziest, like.

Soft dick and balls that you have to, like, put your hand into. Like, you're smushing your knuckles into, like, his sack, and you have this tiny little, like, you have to worry about it. Like, if I'm a hard dick, you just go, like, just a little pull, pull, tug, tug. A soft dick is, like, smush into it. And, like, if I'm touching a soft.

[B]

Dick, I'm also touching your pouch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna hit your little pooch here. I don't want to touch your pooch. Yeah. I just want to touch your hard dick. The hard dick puts it, like, on an island.

[A]

It's out there when it's. When it's into it. Yeah. You got to get up in, like.

[B]

Your football, you know what I mean? I could close my eyes for all I know. That's a recorder, you know? If it's a soft dick, that's a Not to men. Different color right there.

[A]

Not to mention, we're going to generalize here.

[C]

The.

[A]

The type of person who's working at the toll booth, you know, if that's, like, a fat guy, you got to, like, lift the belly and get in there. And, like, we're not talking about some. Some, like, you know, Calvin Klein model who just has a dick sticking out of his hard rock abs. This is a mess that you got to get in there to find his dick to tug on in the first place.

[B]

I feel like if it was a soft dick, it'd be like, one of those situations where sometimes you go to the mall and you're a little too far out, and, like, you got to put the car in park, and you got to kind of, like, lean out the window, and you're like, all right.

Get your ticket or whatever. You're kind of like, you're. Maybe you don't even flip it on.

[A]

Part you're holding.

[B]

You're holding the brake, and you're like.

That'S exactly it, bro.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Hardcock. That's right in my face.

[A]

You just give it a quick suck, and then you keep moving, right?

But, like, those moments, like, Frankie was like, I will never forget that. And I was like, I absolutely forgot this.

[B]

Like, I don't even.

[A]

I don't even think about it. And, like, same thing with some of the guests. Sometimes I'm like, I can't believe we did that guy. So I, I. I want to. I want to try to go through at least for the barstool guests, and ask, you know, Marty, what was your favorite moment or your memorable moment from the show? Because especially if you're a guest on the show, you're going to remember your.

[B]

Episode where saying, Marty got my blood pressure high wall. Because I know what we're going to talk about.

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[A]

So. So this Paul Dano thing. What do you think about Quentin Tarantino?

[B]

Oddly enough, I think I would say he's my favorite director.

[C]

Really?

[A]

I think.

[B]

I think so. I think in Glory.

[A]

Because you like his movies? You like him or.

[B]

No, his movies. I don't really know. I. I know about him, but I wouldn't say.

[A]

I think he's kind of a like. I think it's almost like separating the art from the artist in the other direction. Like.

[B]

Like you like his wacky stuff?

[A]

No, Well, I guess it's not the other direction. I. I'm just saying he's not like a criminal or something like that, but it's just like when I watch Inglourious Basterds, Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Drugs. You did, right. Yeah. Like, those are awesome. So I gotta give him credit, but I don't like him. I think he's annoying and weird and self important and. And like him himself.

[B]

I agree. Bothered by 100. Agree with all that. But I kind of think like directors should be.

[A]

Well, and then. Yeah, that's the other side of. It's like where if you're gonna be this artistic freak, be the artistic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know? Yeah. He's also, like working like at a DVD store until he was like, really, like, just like. So he's probably. Probably a weirdo. Like, didn't really have much going for him and then became Quint. Yeah. Was his, like, first movie a hit?

[B]

Because he's only done Reservoir Dog. I believe he did something right before.

[A]

Reservoir Dogs, but his first, like, thing.

[B]

That people saw was because Jackie Brown was after Reservoir.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[C]

And He's.

[A]

He's done nine.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Because 10 is supposed to be his 10th movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like.

[B]

But I think it's also kind of like there might be 10 depending how you count.

[A]

That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But yeah, he just, like, the foot thing bothers me.

[B]

Foot thing doesn't bother me. You like feet? Fucking like feet, dude.

[A]

Yeah, cool. I don't mind that you like feet. Don't wedge feet into all your movies.

You're putting your fetish upon me.

[B]

I don't like that. I think at first, maybe if I was unaware of it while it was happening and like, the process of it coming out that Tarantino clearly likes Void might have been a little weird. Now I think it's funny where it's like, oh, it's the foot scene.

[A]

Wouldn't it be funny if. If it was a little more traditional and it was just like, Quentin Tarantino loves fat ass Latinas.

[B]

Yeah. So like every. Every movie there's just like, cheap. Tarantino just made Modern Family. Like, yeah, get it. You know.

But the. No, like, I. I actually like. I don't think I would ever say, like, if you had, like, who's your favorite director? And I. I wouldn't have a quick answer, but Tarantino catalog, like, it's Tarantino and Fincher would probably be the top two.

[A]

I just feel like people. I don't like when people in any, in any field, sports, whatever, when like somebody's opinion, it seems to me maybe I'm wrong because this, this is what's happening with Paul Dano is the exact opposite. So maybe I'm wrong, But I feel like fans will make their opinion whatever Quentin Tarantino makes. I think I don't like that where it's just like, you can like somebody, you love somebody, but disagree with them every now and then. And it seems like even this list, it was like, what's Quentin Tarantino's list? And of course, you know, one of the biggest directors is telling you his favorite movies, but it's like, it's. I don't know. His number one movie is Blackhawk Down. I was like, I think that's a little weird.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that movie. Movie of the century would not happen as my best entry. But it is a awesome movie.

[A]

It is. And I would even go. I would say it's underrated and all.

[B]

That stuff, but I'm just like, Eric Bana has the. With Eric Ban as the seal or ranger, whatever. He is the guy walking through the base and they're like, whoa, you can't be walking through here with your. Without your safety on. He puts up his fingers. My safety's right. It's such a cool line.

[A]

So wait, here here's Tarantino's top 10. Number 10, Midnight in Paris, by.

[B]

I did not like that.

[A]

That was Woody Allen, right? Number nine, Sha of the Dead.

[B]

Didn't like that.

[A]

I like that, but I just. And it's a good comedy, but. And see, it's weird when you're doing comedies and dramas. The number nine movie of the century.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Mad Max, Fury Road. I don't think I saw it. Unstoppable.

[B]

Love that.

[A]

What's that? I don't even know that.

[B]

That's Bruce Willis. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

[C]

No.

[B]

Unstoppable. That's Denzel. That's Denzel and Chris Pine. Love that.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Love that choice.

[A]

One of, like, a Feidelberg movie is.

[B]

Dude, that movie rocks.

[A]

There's. That's. Wait, no, that can't. There's got to be another Unstoppable.

[B]

No, no. Yeah.

[A]

Tony Scott, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I. I don't know. Does he make, like, those kind of movies?

[B]

Yeah. Tony Scott's Ridley Scott's brother, and he produces. Like, if there's a Hollywood blockbuster, Tony Scott produced it. Like, he produced Top Gun too.

[A]

I'm so down with all that. I just. It's strange.

Zodiac. Awesome. Number five was There Will Be Blood.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

Dunkirk. Lost in Translation.

[B]

I haven't seen that one.

[A]

Toy Story 3, Black Hawk Down, Toy Story 3.

[B]

Many people say I've never seen it, but many people say that's, like, the greatest movie of all time.

[A]

And it is. It is incredible.

[B]

Was that.

[A]

It's incredible. Really?

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

But would you say it's one of the. Like, I actually. I've heard if you were like, I gotta go live in a bunker. It's been nuclear war. I gotta pick, like, ten movies from the century. You. Toy Story 3's on there. Maybe. Really? I mean, it's. It's hard because it's like. It's a. You know when you start talking about children's movies and it's like.

[B]

But it's also like.

[A]

But like, he.

[B]

He's very openly saying, these are my favorite movies.

[A]

Yeah, that. That's. But so I guess it's more fans of Quentin Tarantino than maybe even him himself, where it's just like, I. I don't think this needs to be, like, gospel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you know, it's just like, yeah, this is. I. I actually kind of like that his. In this sense that his list is a little bit weird. Like, Unstoppable.

[B]

It's like, I. I would bet Tony Scott produced Blackhawk down too. That's a guess. No, no, no.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I think Ridley Scott made it.

[A]

Ridley Scott did.

[B]

Right. So I'm sure Tony was involved.

[A]

Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ridley Scott was for sure.

[B]

I believe a loss in translation.

[A]

That's Sofia Coppola. Yes, that's. So that's her, like, breakup movie or divorce movie with Spike jonze. And then 10 years later, Spike Jones came out with the same movie about her and her. So they got divorced. She wrote and came out with Lost in Translation right away.

[B]

And then 10 years later, he, like, wrote his version. Divorce wars is awesome, bro. I've never seen either of those movies. I'm gonna watch her is.

[A]

I'll tell you what, man. If. If. If. If I was in a. If I was to. If I was in a couple and we were both directors and we are gonna break up, I would be like, let's do this. Let's make divorce movies. Dude, that's a. Awesome. And they're two of the best movies ever made. Like, people will say that it's like. Like, that's. You know, it came from a real raw place. And it's like, you make your version, I'll make my version, and, like, we'll probably hate each other, but this will be awesome. That.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's a very cool concept.

[B]

A similar story, but not the exact same, is 2012 Oscars. Maybe the. It was James Cameron versus Catherine Bigelow, who. They were married, had been divorced. And so, like, I. I believe it was their first. I believe they, like, very recently gotten divorced. I could be wrong about that. But it was certainly their first time going up against each other as, yeah, divorce. Catherine Bigelow won, like, and everyone was like, cameron's gonna win for Avatar.

[A]

Yeah, it's Avatar.

[B]

And then Catherine Bigelow. One for her locker.

[A]

Hurt Locker. Got it.

[B]

That's tough, man.

[A]

Like, you know, when you're in divorce, like, little things become wins and losses, you know, holidays and just, like, you know, family and some stuff in your social circle. And then all of a sudden, you can go up against someone in an Oscar, or it's like, who won the breakup? Well, I've got the acad. I got the statue on my mantle, so I say I do.

[B]

I'm trying to see.

[A]

That is tremendous.

[B]

Okay. I was wrong about how recent it was. They divorced in 91, so it wasn't that fresh. And it was 2008, not 12.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But still, that's, you know, because I was thinking, like, what are the chances You. You both the fact that two people get nominated for an Oscar that also were married. I mean, I guess that you run in the same circles. That's. That's pretty crazy. Same year, same category, the whole nine. But yeah. So I don't know. Tarantino is. Is. Do we know what his. He's been talking about this 10th movie forever. Do we have, like, the topic or anything? Or nothing. Like, we don't know anything.

[B]

Nothing, I don't think. But also, like, he wrote. Which will be coming out next year. He wrote the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood sequel. He's just not directing it. And I think he's. I think the rumors are he's not directing it because he doesn't want that to be his 10th.

[A]

See, this is stupid.

[B]

But, like, it's also, like, at the same time, like, he's giving it to David Fincher, so it's kind of like.

[A]

Oh, it's gonna be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

David Fincher's directing it for Netflix, guys.

[A]

It's got to be so cool when you reach a level like that. Or it's just like, ah, I could. This is my movie, but I'll let someone else do it. And that's someone else's. David Fincher. Like, I just. In any field.

Reaching, like, the true pinnacle has got to be so surreal. Like, whether it's an athlete, you know, winning, like, your 10th title or something, or. Or like Shane doing the. The. The stadium. Football stadium. Tarantino just handing out movies. Like, it's just so cool. The.

[B]

You want to hear a crazy one that I only learned about just now because we have Tom Pelfrey coming on, and I've been watching Tom Pelfrey stuff. Do you know the. The story of Citizen Kane?

[C]

No.

[B]

So it's kind of crazy. So Tom Pelfrey's in this movie called Mank, which is about the writing of Citizen Kane.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And Orson Wellesley, who wrote War of the Worlds and all that shit, he wrote Citizen Kane. But he didn't. This guy Herman Mankiewicz wrote it, and he just didn't want credit. He had been. He had been disillusioned by Hollywood. He. This is probably too much to really explain here, but, like, there was an election in the 40s in Hollywood where. For the California gubernatorial. California governor. And basically Hollywood wanted the Republican to.

[A]

Win, which is a twist.

[B]

Yeah, but Hollywood wanted the Republican to win. So basically, Hollywood made propaganda footage about Upton Sinclair, who is the socialist who was running California. And it was basically. It was all made on the street footage about why he's a Socialist. None of it was real people, but it was just all Hollywood films studios who made the footage, put it out. The guy lost.

[A]

So Mankiewicz is like.

[B]

Man was like, fuck Hollywood, fuck this. And the movie is kind of cutting back and forth between the era of him falling out of love with Hollywood and Hollywood asking him to come back. So he writes this. Ross and Wells, he writes Citizen Kane.

[A]

Which is, you know, number one, the.

[B]

Greatest movie all time movies I still haven't seen, to be honest, but like, considered the greatest movie of all time. And in the movie, like, they're like three separate times where they're like, mank, are you sure you don't want credit on this? Because this is a masterpiece. And he's like, yeah, I don't fucking fuck Hollywood.

[A]

Fuck that shit. So where do you. What, do you like that or no?

[B]

Well, I. Until the very end when Mank is like, now I want credit. Yeah, I was gonna say.

[A]

So here's the thing about that.

[B]

If you're gonna.

[A]

Not. If you're gonna be the person who says, I don't want credit, you better be that person to your core. And then you're awesome. Then I think you are probably the coolest person ever that you are so not interested in what random people think about you that you don't. Then you're. I think you're the man. If you're doing that even 1% as like an act or like on purpose, you know, I think that's like, not only stupid, but lame, you know, because now it's like, now you're fabricating this. It's like, I want people to know that I did.

[B]

And then once it's awesome. You're like, I wrote that. But I also totally understand that if you write like your mass. If you've been a writer your whole life, then just.

[A]

Then do it.

[B]

But he did. He like, okay, bank is considered a cobra. Like, he's like, no, I fucking want credit for this. Okay? And then he gave a badass Oscar speech. When he got the Oscar, it was. He wasn't. The Oscars aren't what they were now in the 40s. So it was just like he got it at home. And he said, this Oscar is received in the same way Citizen Kane was written in the absence of Orson Welles.

[A]

So not only was like, I did.

[B]

But like, like, like Wells didn't touch it. Wow.

[A]

See, because. Because what I would have done in that situation, I think, is. I think the. The better way to do that is to be like, to do it. And then in A speech or. I mean, again, it's very different now. You can hop on a podcast or some shit, but who knows? But if you said like, I didn't want to do this because I hated Hollywood because of that whole story, explain the whole thing and. But then be like, but it, like the art is what draws me, not the, not the business. I'm never going to let the business impact the craft and the art. And this was blah, blah, blah, you know what I mean? Because that's actually what it comes down to is like you are letting politics and all this other outside heavily influence your art.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like, that's not cool either.

[B]

But his anger with the politics, to be fair, like, it wasn't conservative versus Republican. It was like you're creating propaganda and you can't do that. Yeah, that, like, that was his line in the sand, which, I mean, he was a Sinclair guy, but like the line in the sand being like, it could have been you were just cheating.

[A]

It could have been four in favor of my guy. But it's still like, you shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, that's, that's scummy. But man, like, good, good call because that would eat at. I don't care. Again, it takes a very specific type of person to really not care about that. I don't know, it'd be like a guy who created a 10 million dollar brand and it's like, yeah, I don't need money or credit for it. No big deal.

[B]

I don't think there's anybody like that. I don't know.

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[A]

It's funny because that Saturday for the boys was so important for so long. It's almost like it reminded me a little bit of. And I know this doesn't replace the money thing so you know, you can just laugh in my face and say off. But I, I always thought of it the same way about Adrian Beltray. Adrian Belre third baseman for the Rangers. In baseball for. There was like a 10 year period where everyone was saying how underrated he is. Everyone was always like, Adrian Beltra is a Hall of Famer and he doesn't get enough credit. And I was like, all I ever hear people saying is how he's a Hall of Fame third baseman and he doesn't get enough credit. It sounds like he's getting enough credit. So you know, I, at least maybe in our, in our world it felt that way. That it was like there was always kind of an asterisk like that's vital works thing, you know. So there was credit in that regard, but I'm sure to the millions of other people there was not as much.

[B]

But should we tell the real story now?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Why not? Yeah, okay.

[A]

That's your thing. It's yours to tell.

[B]

Yeah, dude doesn't exist.

[A]

The greatest lie ever told. The great. You know how people said, I think the tagline for, for the Da Vinci Code about the Bible was like it's the greatest story ever sold or whatever. That's, that's, I mean, and this is.

[B]

How I was always so confident. I was like, if you find that guy, I'll give him every penny I got. Yeah.

[A]

Wait, so tell that story because I'm, you know, people probably don't even know the origin and the backlash to the origin and the real story. So the whole nine is quite a tale.

[B]

The real story is, is my buddy, we. We were hanging out in Newport. We had a shorehouse. And my buddy would come down on the weekends and a guy in his.

[A]

Office would say it.

[B]

He was like, he was like. He was like. He's like, yeah. Some guy in my office walked out the other day and went Fridays for the men's Sagittarius, the boys. And like, me and my friends just thought it was so funny that.

[A]

And so he was like, probably like a 45 year old dad, I would think.

[B]

I've actually met his daughters. His daughters came down like one weekend later in that summer.

[A]

Do they know that they sat.

[B]

The boys was a big thing at that time. Like they were coming up.

[A]

But do they know that their dad created it?

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I think that's why they came.

[A]

Got it, Got it.

[B]

And it was, it was just like a fun thing we said for a few weekends. And, and like, we said it a lot, like to the point where like Newport must have been like, whoever these drunk five guys are who just walk around the streets screaming Fridays for the men, Sag, the boys. We got to get them arrested or something. And then like a couple of weeks later, I sent that tweet that I don't remember sending. I've thought about it a lot. My best guess is that I was sitting at the bar and my friends were at the bar with an old guy and they were saying it and I just kind of sent that tweet, made that like. And like that. That's my best guess for what happened.

[A]

So there was like an old fisherman at the bar.

[B]

I don't know. I was so up. But like, I wouldn't just like sit there and make up it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, my guess is that there was an old guy.

[A]

And I love the fact that you were up though, because it's like you were living it.

[B]

I didn't know the tweets. I woke up next morning, I was like, bro, bro.

[A]

Launched a, like a eight figure, you know, revolution in a blackout.

[B]

Wow. And then the reason we stuck with the original story was the. I. I had an interview. Erica had set up something like with like a New York Post reporter or something like that. And I so vividly remember this Where Erica was like, the. I was in Erica's office at the first office here, and there was like a, you know, a conference type phone, and she's like, dialing it up and she's like, all right, so yeah, you're just going to talk to this reporter and, like, just give her the story and they're going to do an article on it. I was like, cool, cool. The real story or the fake one? She's like. She was like, what? And I was like. I was like, I don't. Like, I just tweeted that blackout. And she's like, go with the story.

[A]

Go with the one that.

[B]

Don't say that. And I was like, all right, fine. And then it became such a hit that I was like, well, I can't say.

[A]

Yeah, now you're.

[B]

Now you're a prisoner. Cost the company a shitload of money.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So now for like, 10 years, I just feel like anytime someone's like, you owe that guy money, I'm like, you find them. I'll give them everything I got.

[A]

But, but what about the. What about the office guy? Has he ever said anything?

[B]

I, I, he. No, he's never said anything. My buddy has given me. My buddy. Anytime there's like, shout out to the boys. Fighterberg. He's like, really? Really? Yeah. That's funny.

[A]

That's a good one. That's like, on a much, much lesser scale. The whole console thing came from a friend of a friend of mine, and he was just like a dummy who doesn't know how to text or speak. And he was always, you know, I was selling t shirts making 1.1 millionth of what you. What you guys did. But he was always like, yo, send me my royalties.

But you know what is like, I think what's. Why that's kind of just funny. And okay is like, that still represents the movement.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was still some guy in a fucking office probably. I've always thought.

The. This is like, wicked. It's like the untold story. I think Fridays are for the men is funnier than Saturdays. And I always thought about, like, nowadays, I was. I always thought to myself, when we're like 45, we should make Fridays for the men and turn it into, like, instead of like a party thing, it's like a nice whiskey or a midnight bean or something like that. Or, you know, it's like you're sitting around with your kids and you get the. Whatever it is. Because to me, that's so much funnier than, like, a boy.

[B]

I still don't know what the it means? Any of it. I, I, it just sounds awesome.

[A]

What do you think it really means? Mine.

[B]

My, the, My idea of it at first was like, Fridays for the men. Friday got work. Saturday, time to unload. Yeah. Get loose.

[A]

I also could view it as, like.

The, like, who's out and who's, like, the bar scene on a Friday is different than a bar seat on a Saturday. I don't know if that would make sense, but it's sort of like that's our time to. I didn't think of it as work. I thought it was like, after work. Like, like, you know, Friday might be, like a happy hour thing where the men are just, like, getting off work and have a whiskey or whatever.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Saturdays where you're like, day drinking all day long. I actually don't, I don't know what I thought.

[B]

All of them sound great. Yeah. Yeah. Where it's like this, like, you know.

[A]

It'S so crazy how much that resonated.

[B]

It was, it was. But, like, it actually isn't so crazy because in the small sample size of me and my friends.

[A]

You went nuts.

[B]

We loved it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I don't know why we loved it so much, but we loved it.

[A]

And do you think that.

That, do you think that that excitement, like, from you guys is what translated?

Because you didn't really present it in that dramatic of a way. It was just a tweet.

[B]

No. Like, it's not a super viral tweet. It's not a big thing.

[A]

Right. The replies, it was like, it's only.

[B]

A 6, 000 likes. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, yeah, but I bet you look at the replies on some of those where everyone's just tweeting their gifts and all that.

[B]

Right. And then it was like, the next weekend we did something else where, like, people started sending gifts again. And then the next weekend we did something else and, like, the gifts got bigger.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it was kind of one of those things where it was like, I was like, yeah, we should probably make a T shirt, I guess, because I'm like, I'm not the quickest to merch. Like, there was a phase, particularly in the status of the boys era. Like, I was the merch guy at this company big time.

[A]

I was gonna say it's funny that you view yourself as not, like, not quick to merge because.

[B]

But I think I know what you.

[A]

Mean about, like, the, the quickness. But, like, I do think you were.

[B]

The merch guy before then. It was always like, I gave Dave my ideas yeah. So if Dave didn't like it and, like, I'm thinking it was in Milton, like, hey, Dave, what do you meant this shirt? No, like, I want you going right to. I do not think Dave would have considered me someone. He asked his. My opinion on merch.

[A]

Right until Saturdays. The boys.

[B]

And then the Pat, like, Pats were going nuts. Celtics are going. Like, there was a lot of. I remember we were having, like, conference room meetings about Patriots merch that we were in. And I was, like, giving a lot of ideas, and I was like, oh, I feel like I'm kind of the merch guy now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then that probably lasted like six or seven years. And I think I'm bad at merch again.

[A]

Well, you know what's funny about the. The merch stuff? Like, I remember we, like, early on, we were talking merch and I was trying to work with the. I really wanted to make New York merch. We didn't have anything up at that point. And I was trying to make, like, real. And I remember we, like. I tried to design. That was like a New York City subway token, but it said, like, barstool sports on it. You know, things like that. Yeah, I want to peek, pick a piece of New York. And, like, I wanted to use the subway.

[B]

Subway tokens. Holy moly.

[A]

Yeah, right. Like that. You know, it's so, like, ancient now. When I was going to use the subway letters, you know, like the circle with the. Like, you spell out a word. Yeah, I want to do things like that. And Dave, like, said no to all of them. And I remember we had. It might have been like during that Celtics when we got the box or one of those things. We were all together, like a holly Christmas party or something like that. We were talking about merch, and he was. Somebody was saying how you gotta jump on the right viral thing. And I was like, yeah. Like, I'm not. I'm not good at that. He was like, yeah, no, you're terrible.

[B]

And.

[A]

And I. And what? And it was true. But what was funny was I. The only time I ever really succeeded with merch was when it wasn't the viral novelty. It was when we started making, like. We just put, like, a normal logo and we made hoodies and sweatpants and just, like, regular clothes. I've made. I've made the novelty T shirts here and there. I jump on waves all the time, but, like, bang. Banging Moms Throwing Bombs was the best seller for two years straight.

Made more than Zach Wilson made in his NFL. Like. Like, Zach Wilson for sure. Banged more moms than he ever threw bombs, and we made more money off that than he ever made in the NFL.

So I've definitely done those. But I. I was. Back then, I remember being like. Like, I'm not good at this, and I need to do that. But I was like, I don't wear those shirts. I don't. You know what I mean? So, like, I don't. I'm not thinking in terms of, like, novelty, you know, what's the place? What's that, like, Jersey Shore type T shirts, you know? And. And eventually there was a time for me to. To do it like, the way I liked it. And so, I don't know, I guess it was just kind of a lesson in, like, you don't have to do everything the way the Internet wants you to do it or whatever. But, yeah, you were.

[B]

You were for sure, like the merch guy for. There were. From when we first moved to New York until I would say, two years ago, three years ago, I would say I was one of them. And I also don't think one of the more consistent merch guys, like, like, yeah, obviously there'll be the caller daddies the breeze. But I was pretty good.

[A]

Like, I think the way you kind of did is almost more impressive where it was like, you know, we had a successful franchise, but, like, Alex Cooper could have put out literally anything.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You. You put out shit that, like, a small but rabid fan base was like, I want to buy that. You know?

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Like, that. What. What should be done there. And that's where I think Barcelona lacks sometimes. It's like, you should have. If I was running the joint, I would have been like, you're the merch guy, like, for almost everybody, you know, I mean, like, make this, like, a part of your job where you're building out.

[B]

Like, there was times where that I. I remember, like, I was doing Eagles super bowl merch. Yeah, I was doing.

[A]

And that's where like. Like when. When Saturday for the boys took off in the golf world. Like, that should have been you doing that. And like, all. You know, I can. I can give you ideas for your teams. I can. You. I could have designed, like, girl merch for other franchises. Like, I think you could have done that. Could have been. I. I still think that's so funny.

[B]

I did, too.

[A]

I think that's a great one. And I think that, like, nowadays that be. Would. Would play better. Like, I. I don't know. That was a time that was probably, like, leading into like the MeToo movement and people getting all touchy and people were appalled with that T shirt. I think it's hilarious. I would never wear it. And I understand people being like, what the. But for like the. Who are like at a day party or some, like, yeah, go ahead.

[B]

Yeah, but no one's making you wear it. If you want to wear it, get it.

[A]

If you don't, don't. Right. It's not like it's a uniform you have to wear work or something. But I, I think, you know, you say, like, I got bad at merch. I think, like the industry moved, you.

[B]

Know, I do too. I think, like, pretty largely merch was just in fashion and now merch isn't in fashion.

[A]

And it'll probably come back.

[B]

It'll come back.

[A]

Yeah. That's where I, I, like, if you asked me to pick between.

Like, just undeniable talent and like the, the ability to have longevity, like, I would still, you know, I would take pick the talent. But like, I think there's a longevity. Yeah. Okay. So, like, I mean, I'm thinking like, if you. I could just be like, boom, you have the, the, the, the talent of Shane Gillis, you know, I mean, like, so if you're talking about like the top, top, I think it would still be a hard thing to turn down. But there's an argument to be made because I think if you could just last and not just like, hang on for dear life, like you, you have enough success, everything comes and goes to the point that it's like, all right, you know, these last five years have been. But when merch comes back or when this thing that I'm good at comes back, like, I'm ready to go, you know, but you got to be there for five and 10 and 15 years, and that's hard to do. But when it's your time to go, like, I, I really get a kick out of this is more luck than anything. But I really get a kick out of the fact that four non blondes have probably had like the best year of their life since whenever that. Yeah, you probably won't realize this, that, that Tick Tock trend of.

What's the name? I don't even know the name song Awake in the morning and I go outside. That went like so viral on Tick Tock that like their song started to chart again. And I think they've done live appearances and stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm sure they're just like, dude, this feels like 94 again or whatever, you know, or Kate Bush with With stranger things. Like your career can all of a sudden just come back because of the.

[B]

Smashing Pumpkin says that they're all the way back.

[A]

He did like a man on the street the other day, he's like, I checked the numbers. Like, we're up with younger people now. That's so cool to me. And that's like, music's a little not easier because you have to have a hit, but once you have like, that, it's out there forever. And you just got to like, hope that somebody picks it up. But that's got to be so cool where you're like, oh, we've been like just dads at home. And now it's like, let's get the band back together.

[B]

We gotta go.

[A]

You know, I always is a story.

[B]

My dad used to always tell me about middle school when he was in middle school. A school in our town is on this big hill and the. There's like a midway point that like 8th graders would kind of hang out. And that's where like, cool kids hung out. And my dad tells a story of when he was in middle school. And there's this little kid who got in a fight in wood shop class and was waiting at that spot on the hill for an eighth grader to fight him. And the eighth grader kicked the fucking shit out of him. But the next day the kid was there again and he was like, I want to fucking go. And the eighth grader was like, what are you talking about? And kicked the fucking shit out of that kid again. And kicked the shit out of the kid every day for two weeks. And at the end of two weeks was like, dude, you're the man.

[A]

You're awesome.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And I always think about that. I'm like, life's kind of like that where he's just like, show up. Get your fucking ass kicked. And eventually people go, that dude gets his ass kicked pretty well. I like the cut of that guy. He's got to get back up.

[A]

I mean, it's one of those. The unfortunate truth about getting old is a lot of the cliches come true.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like, when people say, like, it's about getting back up, you're like, yeah, whatever, old man. And then you're like, it is about getting back up. It is really about that these cliches that you can rattle off are. You're able to do so because they have been written and reused and. And spoken and sung for a reason. And it's like, oh, man, all of those eye rolling lessons are like the.

[B]

Most Important thing you can learn. Just as one little line. It's all you have to learn your entire life. Keep going. That's it.

[A]

And, and you, and you won't realize it until you have to keep going. Yeah, like that's, I mean that's sort of the rub with life is the same thing as like Annie Bernard saying that you don't realize the good old days until you're in them. And like you don't realize the lessons are really lessons until it's too late and all that. It's like I even think now I, I'm so. I'm always thinking because I get a lot of feedback, especially now ending the show. There's so many people who are like, you got me through my first job, you got me through my divorce, you got me through my kids, you got me through whatever, you know. And so a lot, there's a lot of just chatter going on sort of about like learning and learning from people who are older than you. And, and I'm so adamant about saying it to people younger than me and I don't think about that. There's a 50 year old saying about a 40. You know, it's like do it now.

[B]

Do you have old friends?

I find that very helpful. I talk to old people all the time.

[A]

I, I don't. Not in my friend crew, but I probably more professionals.

[B]

Professional professionals. But also like I talk to my friend's parents all the time.

[A]

No, it's, it's super valuable.

[B]

I have like a, A weirdly I, I'm thinking, I was thinking of it today because my Spotify age was 79. And unlike my wrapped age, I was 80. Yours is 80.

[A]

You guys are old men. I' But I also have, you know, I have 18,000 minutes of K Pop Demon Hunt.

[B]

Yeah.

But I was thinking about that like 79.

[A]

But I was like, I do hang.

[B]

Out with like even in the city I, I have a few old people I like not talk to all the time. But like aunts and uncles I go hang out with where I'm like, yeah.

[A]

You are always going to dinner with your aunt and uncle. Yeah, so weird. But it's, there are lessons to be.

[B]

Like cousins who I'm like, like honestly, cousins. Like I didn't even really grow up with like cousins I've just kind of come to hang out with because we both live in New York. I'm like, why am I at dinner with a 75 year old right now?

[A]

But anybody spitting bars?

[B]

Yeah, right. God damn.

[A]

You know what the rub is? It's like, you need, you need an old person who's not preachy and a young person who is receptive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cuz in the beginning you're like, I don't want to hear from this old man. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And the old man is going to be like, listen to me when I talk. You know, And I think the real magic can happen when an old guy's like, I went through that before. You want to hear that story?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If, you know, whatever, no big deal. And the other. And when the kid is like, wait, so you, you went through that, like, tell me about it. And then I think, you know, the magic happens, but it's. You got to find the right.

[B]

It's really helpful is seeing them be like, oh, yeah, I went through something like that. And you're like, you're different.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Oh, my God. This is a time in my life I don't really remember this.

[A]

Yes. That is also another thing. I've, I've said this ad nauseam, but I, when I, when I, like, learned this for the first time that like, you know, people's like brain waves, like physical reaction to things is all really dependent upon what you've already experienced. So I always use the example of like, when a college kid is fretting about his midterms, what's happening in his brain is the same thing as, like, you being like, I can't afford to put food on the table for my two kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're not the same. But it feels.

[B]

That feels exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And so when I learned that, I was like, oh, so it really is about, like, being able to put yourself in someone's shoes and recognize that what they're going through feels the same thing as you. And then that's when you can really start to connect.

[B]

And once you do that, you're like, oh, everything's easy. Yeah. Once you're like, oh, yeah, I see why you're acting like this.

[A]

I get it. Because if, because if you, what you do is initially you compare it, saying, that's crazy that you would ever think you feel the same thing as me. And then you go, oh, he's feeling the same thing as me.

[B]

Like that.

[A]

But. And then I think the wisdom there is that it's like you're, you're, you are overreacting acting. Because this is just a test, you know, this isn't. I mean, I think about, like, can you, can you imagine if you're a. Want to go into law or Med school or something like that. You got to be at the top of your class to get into these schools. And otherwise, like, imagine being somebody who, like, fretted over every single grade they got, and it's just like, you got a diploma, and I got it, and that's it.

[B]

To be fair, they tell you that throughout school. I mean, they're like, yo, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

[A]

These get degrees is another cliche that exists for a reason. Now.

[B]

There's a. I remember when I first, like, failed out of school, and I was, like, very. I was embarrassed about it. I kept it quiet from. I kept it quiet from Dave until he offered me a contract.

[A]

Really?

[B]

And then I was like, I have to be honest with you now. I didn't graduate college.

[A]

He was like, I have to be honest. I don't care.

[B]

Like, he. He's looking up at me.

[A]

He's like, I couldn't care less.

[B]

I was like, really? Because I've been hiding that, thinking that was going to be the end of my career.

[A]

One of the biggest, like, changes that I. In myself that I know is, like, the way I view school. Like, I remember telling Bob Fox, Glenny Balls, Ria, all the kids, like, barstool will be here, like, get. Go get your degree. Like, finish school. And now I could not be more against that. Like, when they. When they all got, like, hot, when they got, like, some traction, if they were like, I got to go to class right now, and they didn't capitalize on some of those things, like, how dumb would that have been?

[B]

It's also crazy to realize how in the moment, you live where, like. Because even. Even to me, when I was failing out of college and I was like, I. Oh, my God, like, I'm not gonna go to college. I have no future. I have no. Like, this is what you have to do. You have to go to college. Then you can have a future. And then, like, now that I look at. I think about it, you know, 15, 20 years removed. Like, the world went to college for, like, 30 years.

[C]

I know.

[A]

It was like. It was a fad.

[B]

Like, it was the grand scheme of the world. There was this, like, from the 70s to the 20, and it, like, ruined.

[A]

The world, by the way.

[B]

Actually, even the 80s. My dad went to college in the 80s, and he wasn't. Like, everyone didn't go, like, 90s to 2020. It was 30 years where everyone went.

[A]

To college, and we all got debt and loans and up, like, the whole economy because of it. Yeah, it's such a. It's such a, like new, very, very new age and like short lived thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was so.

[B]

Well, I'm not going to go. This is what's happened throughout human history.

[A]

No, it hasn't. And if anything now it's like the opposite. It's like anybody who's learning a trade and like you become a plumber or an electrician, own your own thing. Those are the people who are absolutely killing it while everyone else has these metaphorical degrees that mean like nothing. You know, I think I used to think of it as like, get your degree because your opportunity will still be there, which is totally wrong. College is always there. Yes, your opportunity is right now. You bob went to the Courthouse as Conor McGregor. Like, you got to go right now. And then if you want, if that doesn't work, then you go back to college. You can't be like, I'll do that in two years while I finish my degree and no one fucking knows about your moment anymore.

[B]

I remember that in college when I was in school and someone was leaving willingly and I was like, you're nuts. Meanwhile, every school is going, you got to get the out of here to me. Well, like, yo, they're not kicking you out at the end of the year. You should stay, dude. But he was like, he got an offer to do fashion, I think it was with Louis Vuitton, but it was with someone, one of those type companies. And he was leaving. I was like, you're nuts. And he's like, first of all, what.

[A]

Are you talking about?

[B]

You're getting kicked out of here in like six weeks. So come down from here, high horse up there, buddy. He's like, second of all, like, this is what I want to do. Why wouldn't I go do it?

[A]

Right?

[B]

And now my buddy Danny, like, very successful, very happy.

[A]

That is. That's an important distinction though. I think if you're just like failing out and not trying to do anything or have an opportunity, you're just like, well, now I do nothing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's like, you should, you should probably try then. But if it's more like, like, I'm not doing well enough because I'm like, I'm doing, I'm spending my time doing this other thing and that's the thing you want to do, then go do it. Do that, man. I mean, I don't know how college can recalibrate, but like, I think it's gotta. I don't know, I keep thinking, I'm like, if at this rate, if I Have to send my kids to school. It's gonna be like a quarter of a million dollars a year.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's like that's just not sustainable. But I don't know how you fix it. Like it would really. I think it would take like a radical like debt forgiveness and we just like change the whole system because of like a law or something. Because there ain't no colleges that are just going to be like, we'll do it, we'll make it affordable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's like that, that ain't happening. So I don't know how it works. But yeah, it will be funny to think if, if like the history books are like. And then there was just this like wacky little two decade period where people like ruined themselves financially to go get.

[B]

Go to school more to just drink. Now again, awesome, awesome. Reason to spend $200,000 is a drink for four years straight.

[A]

There's a sweet spot though. There's probably a sweet spot from like 94 to 98 if you're one of those people where college hadn't gotten crazy expensive. Maybe it's the 80s. I don't know what the four year period is, but I bet you there's a four year period where it was like, this actually only cost like 60 grand total, you know, like it wasn't hundreds, it was like it was expensive.

[B]

And not even feel like even the 80s it was, it was like seven grand a year. Yeah.

[A]

And I guess, I guess if you go to state schools and stuff like that, it's all different. But you know, if you did it right, I guess state schools is the answer too. If it's like, yo, I'm from Arizona, I went to Arizona State. It cost me like four grand a year. And I had four unbelievable years and I got in a fraternity and that's how I met like the boss of my job. And it's like, that's amazing. That's the answer.

[B]

When I was at fsu, like every, everyone I knew at FSU was being paid by the state of Florida to go there.

[A]

Maybe that is the answer. Maybe it's like it was like grants and stuff.

[B]

Like it wasn't, you know, an hourly wage, but it was like they, they.

[A]

You'Re coming out ahead.

[B]

Basically I just remember because they all drove Mercedes and I was like, why do you guys all have such nice cars? And they would be like, our parents said if we chose to go to Florida State, we could get a nice car. Yeah, it's like, well then I'd rather spend 60 grand on a car than 250 grand on education. And I was like, ah, that makes sense.

[A]

It might not be that college is the problem. It might be pretentious, upper middle class being like, I have to go to Notre Dame.

[B]

You have to fly across, to fly.

[A]

Across the country and go to this prestigious place when it's like, you can probably get the same thing down the block 100, you know, and then I.

[B]

Think everyone know, like every school you just get what you put into it. Like, it didn't, didn't. When I was failing out of schools, it didn't matter what school I was at. Yeah, but the guy who was in school.

[A]

But it, I think at some point it did matter. I think at some point, if you said, like, I graduated from UPenn, people were like, oh, we'll give you.

[B]

Oh, no. But what I'm saying is, like, even at like a, so. So institution, you can get a great education. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're like, I'm going work on it. And I was the opposite.

[A]

Where. Yeah, I was like, I'm not going.

[B]

I'm not doing this.

[A]

I would actually venture to guess that there are probably professors in like middle and lower levels who are like, really care.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

What? You know, you get tenure at Harvard, you're like, this is just like, I write books and I don't actually teach, whereas there's somebody in like community schools. Like, I want to help these kids. But you know, if.

If, if you do it right and it's just like, you know, go get a little bit smarter over here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then I can't.

[B]

You don't have to get a lot smarter.

[A]

Just a little bit of experience, a little bit of smarts.

[B]

But I dropped out on this show.

[A]

What's up? I dropped out of college on this show.

[B]

I announced it. Like, I think I remember you saying. I remember, like, did you like physically click the button, like drop out or is that.

[A]

No, it was just like I talked to like my mom the night before.

[B]

I was like, I think I'm just.

[A]

Gonna like not go back. How, how far along were you?

[B]

I was still in.

[A]

Oh, no, I had just gotten full time job. So I was like five months into this. No, no. How far along in school? Oh, I, I did not have much left.

[B]

I had like. Well, that's all crazy, but it's not like, but it's like, because again, if.

[A]

You really, if you really wanted to, you could go back and get like six more credits and you're done. Yeah, right. I would imagine I don't know, I could go back and do another semester, but like, I knew what I had to pay for it and I was like, I could be making money here or I could just go spend a. Be in debt. The dollar.

[B]

And no one will ever ask you again.

[A]

No one will ever ask you again. The dollar per value of educate. Like, I, I don't know how that got so crazy, but like, if, if there's anything else in the world that your 18 year old was like, this is going to cost 50 grand for this year. You'd be like, it better be a house. Yeah. Better be like a valuable product that you're going to own at the end. Not just this like metaphysical education that we just like, that's what you got to do for your kids. That's what kids need. It's like, like what?

[B]

There was a tweet that was like when I tried to get a. It was when I was 17, I tried to get a chocolate colored starfish and hot dog flavored water tattoo which was just an asshole and come and they didn't let me get it. But two months later they did let me take out $250,000 in loans to get an English degree or something like that.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

And I was like, yeah, it is. I mean, I understand that there has to be a point where you become able to make your own decisions. There has to be a day. But it is just funny, those two things, like, they're that close together.

[A]

I remember some economist being on Rogan and breaking it all down and who knows if I think he's credible. But it was, it was like how student loans ruined everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it used to just be like, well, these kids, like, nobody can afford this, so we have to price it accordingly. And then it was like, well, if we can just get loans for like unattainable loans. Otherwise if you said, I want a business loan, like, no way. But if it's for education, fine. And then schools were just like, well, they're gonna take it from the bank, so let's jack up the price.

[B]

We're all rich.

[A]

And then it just, yeah, it's like if that never happened, you know, it's one of those, like, unintended consequences. I'm sure whoever came up with it was like, let's make sure these kids can afford education. And in doing so, they made sure that kids can't afford education all time. Backfire on that one. But I also, I, you know, I'm. Sometimes I wonder if like we're, we're in Our little bubble these days. I used to. What was interesting for me was so much of my early career and the early podcasts, at least more mail time. Southern Capes Radio was about being in corporate America and living through that experience because I was doing it. And so I, I. That was probably, like, at some of my best, because when you're. When you're doing something that you are, like, truly an expert in or, like, really involved in, that you could tell.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when I was, like, writing cubicle Chronicle stories and relatable about work, it's because it just happened to me that day. And then, you know, I got a couple years out of that and I was like, all right, I'm full time now. And I started to feel less and less. You know, I was more disingenuous. It was like, I don't know if that's really what's happening in the office anymore. And I remember some people being like, yo, this dude only worked at Deloitte for like, six months. I was like, no, I mean, I had enough time. It was like five years. It was like, like, I knew what it was like, but I don't know what it's like now. You know, I. I have no idea what happens with social media in the workplace. I have no. All these advancements, it's like, oh, that probably changed corporate America, and I can't talk about that anymore.

[B]

So now I feel the same way with, like, sports.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Like, I. I still. I watch the Patriots, watch the Bruins, but, like, I, I wouldn't pretend to have the pulse of a Boston sports fan anymore.

[A]

No. And I certainly.

[B]

Listening to the talk radio, I'm not okay in the town. I'm not.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Talking all day with other fans, like.

[A]

Being in Boston versus New York. Yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was gonna say, I. I can still very much speak to New York and the New York fandom experience. It's the rest of the league that, like, I don't know anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I used to went back, like, the sports center days, where. And no entertainment. You just know everything about everybody. Because it was like, well, I'll learn about the Portland Trailblazers today, right? What the fuck else am I gonna do now? It's like, I don't pretend to know. Know who the next. Who the draft class is, who the free agents are, who the stars are. I can tell you about my teams.

[B]

But I always say that with the Patriots, like, not always, but this year with the Patriots, I'm like. I'm like a kid on the playground where I'm like, look, I don't know how tough your dad is, but my dad's tough. So.

[A]

Yeah, you.

[B]

You might, you might, you might be.

[A]

Able to beat him up, but probably not.

[B]

I have no idea how good your team is. I know. My team's really good.

[A]

I really can't believe they're. They're going to win the super bowl this year.

[B]

I think they might.

[A]

It's a weird year where it's wide open. Like, pretty wide open. I think there's probably, like. I think you could probably make the case for like 10 teams being a potential contender. And so if that's the case, like, who's probably going to win it? The guys who have won it a.

[B]

Bunch of other times and the guys who Is a great story. It's a great story.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And someone's gonna have to chop Rabel's dick off. I'll volunteer.

[A]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. Right.

[B]

Satan sacrifice his dick for his Super Bowl.

At the time, I think, were they still Titans at the time? Were they still on the team?

[A]

I think so.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Because that was like. Wasn't that, like. He didn't say that publicly, right?

[B]

No, he said on the bus.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's funny. I thought it was like he. He said that and kind of got leaked or something like that.

[B]

But no, he said it like during an interview.

[A]

But what he should say is more like if he wins it, he should be like, and I didn't have to cut my own dick off. Like. Like there was the opportunity. That magic genie would have done it, but I just. I did it through hard work.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Not castration. It's gonna happen.

[B]

You gotta keep getting up. That's all it is.

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[A]

Matt Barnes getting scammed by an AI girl is crazy. Hear that story? You know Matt Barnes from all the sports?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

So he got extorted to the tune of, like, 60 grand from an AI girl.

[B]

What does that even mean?

[A]

I don't. So I can't quite figure it out. He posted about it and was sort of like, I'm done. I'm not paying anymore, so I'm coming out, you know? And he. He posted these screenshots, screen recordings of his. Of his text messages. They just keep. Like, she texted him, like, 80 billion times. And I imagine he said, this AI person is extorting me by using, like, by. By threatening to expose material that makes it look like I cheated on my wife. He said he never met her, he's never seen her, never her. Imagine. Right? So that, I guess that could mean someone slides in your DMs, they look like a hot chick, and you start, like, sexting.

[B]

That dude is fucking a lot of people who aren't his wife. You start sexing with random people who slide in your DMs, you're fucking everybody.

[A]

I mean, that's kind of like.

[B]

My.

[A]

My thought is like, I guess if you got caught up with someone on DMs, and you sent, like, sex and maybe videos or voice notes and shit. I think there was some voice notes in the screen recordings. You're basically sexting, like, phone sex or some shit, and someone's like, all right, I'm gonna put this out. You might be like, I don't want my wife seeing that. But if it's like, somebody, you know, it just seems like if you never met somebody and you're paying 60 grand, like, there's a reason why. Like, I don't know.

[B]

Probably because he doesn't want. Yeah, I don't know what the answer would be.

[A]

Or, like, they have information about the times you did. And I think. I think they've had some issues before. So that was, like, already out there. So, like. But I don't know that I hate to say this, and maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just jaded here. But, like, if an NBA player. What's. What's more detrimental to someone's reputation? An NBA player, like, he was cheating on his wife or he's. He's so dumb he got scammed by an AI.

[B]

Yeah. What is precedent for. Yeah. One is, like, kind of a dime a dozen.

[A]

The other one is like, are you kidding? Like, Gilbert Arenas and all these other guys are kind of clowning him and talking about it. It's like, I think I would have just taken. Taken the hit.

[B]

Yeah. But bad parts. You can afford 60 grand a year, Right. Just keep going.

[A]

Just keep going.

[B]

But also, like, it is, like, you probably so freeing to be like.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You know, the ultimate. If you give a mouse a cookie type. You know what I mean? That. It's always hard because it's like, if you got the money, if you find yourself in a compromising situation, you have money to pay for, like, hush money or like, extortion money. It's like, well, I don't know. This is like, I have the money. So, like, I don't want my life to be problematic. So, like, I'll use my money in that way.

[B]

But it obviously depends on, like, how bad things are. But, like, I. I would go public on spite.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'd be like, you. No, no, no.

[A]

Well, and that's. I think Kevin Hart did that. I think a lot of people were on his side because they were like, that girl, bro.

[B]

Can I tell you?

[A]

You love his special, right?

[B]

I haven't laughed that hard.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

I haven't watched in a long time. Dude. He's so goddamn funny. He's like, this probably sounds rude, and it probably is, like, the last thing in the world you want to say, but it's like, he's just almost more than a comedian. He's just an entertainer.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, he's just so entertaining.

[A]

He's a presence.

[B]

He's just like, his voice.

[C]

Behavior.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where, like, I was fucking. There is. In the middle. There's, like, one bit about, like, dick pills that I did not enjoy. But aside from that, I thought that special was one of the funniest of the year.

[A]

I also think he's kind of an interesting case of. He was. He was obviously.

[B]

Can you pull Up a clip. I just want to show you this one clip. This is.

Dude, I was like in tears. In tears. I'm now I'm overhyping it. But the. He's talking about just. It's called acting my age. It's all about like getting old.

[A]

Basically.

[B]

It was this podcast, right?

[A]

Tell me you got like the time stamp and everything.

[B]

I know about where it is. I. I know how many times you watch this?

[A]

3. Wow, that's high praise, man. Or. I mean, while you look for that, I do think Kevin Hart's an interesting case of. I think he was obviously a very successful stand up to end up getting the opportunities he got. But I think once he became like a movie star and in commercials and kind of like you said, just like an entertainer, I think the narrative became like, he's not even that funny of a comic because he's like voicing cartoons and doing Crazy with the Rock. And I think enough time has now gone by where that it comes back around. Like everything else we said in this podcast, like the Longevity, where it's like, no, he's a pretty funny comic. Like, no, no one's ever gonna confuse him with like Louis CK in terms of like technical comic skills. But the pendulum went back too far, you know, where it's like, all right, he's maybe. I think, I think the vibe was sort of like, he's funny, but he's not. He's not funny enough to be making like $150 million a year. Which, by the way, yes, he is, because he is doing it. And second of all, like, when, when that narrative subsides, you realize like, no, he's pretty funny on stage. You can do this is another thing about the longevity is like Kevin Hart, he probably could have told those jokes when he was 25, but it, it, it's real when it's 50.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

So it's like if I. You almost have to plan it in the cubicle now.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So it's like you have to trust yourself. It's like, okay, when I'm like 50, I'll write a special about being old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you could as like a 30 year old BE like, man, old people can't even walk down the stairs. But it's better when it's like, I can't walk down the stairs because I'm old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, trusting that you'll be there when those, those life events start to happen, happen is awesome. That's great.

[B]

The skipping steps is so like, even when I was young, and spry. I'd see people going down.

[A]

You gotta kind of.

[B]

How big a rush are you in, dude? What could possibly be worth this risk?

[A]

This is just a.

[B]

A cost benefit analysis here. 12 steps, dude. Just take the 12 steps.

[A]

You save one second. Well, you have to turn your foot, kind of land on them straight. No, thank you, man.

[B]

The high risk situation.

[A]

Did you ever ride your bike and, like, go down steps?

[B]

Yes, but I wasn't one of the ones who was like, I can do this step.

[A]

So there was a school, like, right next to my right, down the block from my house. And it had four big, like, up flat. Up flat, up flat. Each. Each little bank of steps probably had, like, 15 or 20 stairs. And I remember being like, I'm gonna ride down this whole thing. I'm. And I. And kind of like, I could ride down them, but, like, jumping a little bit. And I was like, all right, we got, like, four sets to go. Like, here we go. First one.

Like, what am I? Who. What am I? Tony Hawk? Am I Dave? Mira. Like, I was by myself. There was nobody even there. I was just like, I'm going to do this. And I just bit it again all by myself, like, bleeding. And then I just walked my bike home. Why did I do any of this?

[B]

That just reminded me that I fell up the stairs yesterday.

[A]

Oh, the worst.

[B]

No, like, this one was the worst up the stairs fall I've ever had in my life. Where I. So you. I think you've both been in my apartment. Like, when you get to the top of stairs, there's that little landing, and there's like, one more step.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's marble floor. And I got to the landing, and I went to step, and I tripped on the landing.

[A]

Step.

[B]

That one last step. So I ended up falling into the wall. Wall where I caught myself, but I caught myself at an angle where I couldn't recover. So I was just like. I was like, well, kind of stuck here. You know what I mean? Because if you let go, you're falling.

So I dropped my keys, and I was like. I was so close to my door, I was about to unlock my door. So I dropped my keys, and I was like, all right, how can I maneuver out of this? And I'm trying to, like, lower myself, and then I finally go, this isn't working. You just gotta hit the ground, bro. No, I just went. You just let yourself.

I get into my apartment. My girlfriend's like, what the just happened? Because it was like, you heard like, a. And that was like, 20 seconds later. And then like 10 seconds later, keys fell.

She's like, what is going on out there? I was like. I tripped up the steps. Kind of caught myself for a second. And then I had to cannonball onto the marble.

[A]

This fell for like 60 straight seconds.

[B]

A two minute fall. It was loud. Like when I. When I finally hit the ground, I think one of my palms smacked the marble. So was like.

It was still. I think it was last night.

[A]

Whatever night.

[B]

I was wearing your jacket because I was like, good thing I got a puffy jacket on.

[A]

So brace my ball. Break my ball.

[B]

And that.

[A]

That getting away old.

[B]

Like, that sucks.

[A]

It's just like, stairs are a problem. Sitting on a bar stool. Can't do that anymore. Sitting on something without a back. Nope.

[B]

The dude I went to. This is funny. I don't know if I told this story. I went to Dan Carney. The comedian came on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think it was that night, actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You went downtown.

[B]

I went to his thing that night. And Ryan Felipe was there.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And for some reason, we ended up just kind of. He'd been on the show. So we knew each other. Neither of us knew anyone else there. So we just talked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we ended up sitting and watching the premiere together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we grabbed two bar stools and it was probably like 25 to 30.

[A]

Minutes of no, sir, no, sir.

[B]

And it started slow, where it'd be like, I'd kind of like do like.

[A]

A little twist like this.

[B]

I go and then do that woman. And I'd see Ryan kind of do one of these. I was like. After about 10 minutes, I was like, like, back sucks, huh? And he was kind of like, it's. No, it's a different thing. I was like, nah, dude, we're both old. That's what it is.

[A]

Like, I. I mean, I'm at the point where. And I've always been a bag of bones, so I can't do anything. But I can't do anything anymore. I can't. I can't sit with my legs crossed anymore.

[B]

Oh, I can.

[A]

I got injured from sitting with my legs crossed.

[B]

I can only sit with my legs extremely crossed.

[A]

You have to go all the way.

[B]

I'm like this. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Tuck them up or down.

[B]

Whatever, dude. I. I'm actually, like, very soon I'm gonna go to, like, a body doctor.

[A]

Yeah. My hips are bad.

[B]

I gotta get.

[A]

Yeah, you're all out of alignment.

[B]

But like, when I sit like this, because it's the only way I can sit comfortably. I'm like, my Hips are this wide right now. They're like, they are that wide. A pretty big guy. My hips are this wide.

[A]

Small underwear. You, you, you, you like a hulk on top and like a little baby on the middle.

[B]

Look at this.

Look how teeny tiny I am.

[A]

I'm like a little thimble dude. I, when I, I, I did a day where I recorded like a bunch of different podcasts and I, I was sitting cross legged most of the time and I, when I finished the day, I stood up and I felt like my ankle, like I rolled my ankle playing basketball. Like the days where like you jump in the air, you land on someone's foot and it's like a grade three sprain. It felt like that. And I was like, I know for a fact. I just sat down today. There was no activity, no, no sports. I wasn't playing with my kids, no injuries. So I started googling it and it was like, you've, you've pinched the peroneal nerve in your, in your calf. So it's like from sitting like that and that goes down to your foot. And I was like, so I start reading up on that. And it was like everything that they said can happen from sitting with your legs crossed too often was happening. They were just like. So you have pinched nerves here. You're like hip flexors. They were like your hip, this muscle connecting like your pelvis to your bones or whatever. They were like, that's probably been contracted for like 15 straight years. Like, it's never relaxed. And because that's tight, this goes down and that's why this is loose, but that's tight. And they were like, no amount of stretching or working out will fix this. You, like have to start sitting the right way to get in alignment. And so I've been trying and you watch back. I'm not doing it well. Like, you're supposed to just sit like this. I could never, I can't. I could never. If I just did the whole podcast like this, that would be insane to me. That would be nuts to just have both feet on the ground and knees at a 90 degree angle. It's got to be like this. Then when you get older, you do that or I gotta do that or it's just something up.

[B]

Like, I physically cannot sit in the 90 degree angle.

What am I in the military?

[A]

This. You, you look like a robot. I've never, I've never seen you just be like, like if you walked in the room and I was just like, hello. Yeah, let's do our podcast. Like Are you trapped or something? Are you stuck? And. And. And they, you know, it was like, of course you should strengthen your muscles and stretch out and stuff. But they said it's just the way you're sitting is ruining your body. And I was like, I can't even sit anymore, dog. I can't sit anymore, dog. I used to be. Used to be, like, all right, I. I can't even like, play pickup basketball anymore because my shoulder gets hit. Like, I'm out, you know? Okay. But that's not that big of a deal to give up. Like, how much. How often am I playing, you know? And then like, little things like that throughout. I can't play this anymore. I shouldn't do that. I'm definitely not going to do any, like, extreme sports or something crazy like that. I'm not doing any of that now. It's like the way that I sit, I can't do anymore. What's next? I mean, sleeping, too. It's like, I have one position left. I used to sleep on my stomach. Absolutely. Can't do that. Ruins my back. I. So I used to sleep on my side. I can't sleep on the bad shoulder side because that gets hurt. So I. I'm basically down to like a little bit on my left side or just like this. It's like, how the. Am I supposed to. Just my bat. It's crazy, man. And what's. What's it going to be like when I'm 80?

[B]

Yeah, I hope that's what I was thinking about when I was like, well, this is like, these hips are a.

[A]

Problem at 4:40 or 37, whatever I.

[B]

Am, and got a long way to go. I'm like halfway there maybe, and.

[A]

And you know what? Like, how much do you work out all the time?

[B]

I work out pretty often. It's like, well, but the legs. But my. My hips got hurt working out, and then I didn't fix them.

[A]

Okay, so it's more of an injury.

[B]

This is an injury then.

[A]

Because there are times I'm like, man, doing all this working out, and then it's like, I don't know, your brain just goes. Or you get a disease or some dumb. It's like, well, I'll just. I'm just going to be a complete piece of. Because something's going to me up anyway. That's the other problem. So the episode here, this is the longevity episode. As much as I preach, like, lasts as long as you can. There's also a part of me that's like, it just keeps getting worse.

It's just going to keep getting worse. And I keep, I, I keep thinking I was talking to.

Who was I talking to? It was somebody in our industry who's a little bit older. And, and it was like we were, we were doing the Billy Madison, like, telling these kids, like, stay here as long as you can. And I was like, do you think that like the 60 year olds are doing, thinking that to us? Like, kind of what I was saying earlier. And he was like, no, I think it, I think it eventually lets up. Like, I think in your 30s and 40s, if you're raising kids. And it's about as bad as it gets because by the time you're 50 and 60, they're older and you're not doing all the activities. And so eventually life does get easier, but from like 20 to like 50, it just keeps getting worse, Just keeps getting harder. More responsibilities, more bills, older, more pain, more fat, more, you know, it just keeps getting harder and harder to live.

All right, let me wrap up though.

[B]

On some harder and hard to live.

[A]

It really does, man.

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[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah. Endless days in the hospital, recovering in pain and not sure what came next. I popped in my headphones and escaped. To John and Kevin. To John and Kevin's world for a bit. 2025 has brought nothing but good things. I'm officially in remission. My hair is growing back. My first nephew was born. Met the love of my life, KFC radio ending at the end of 2025 is so bittersweet. I can't hardly stand it. It's carried me from my early 20s to now 36 years old and always be a part of who I am.

[B]

Let's go, Daniel. Let's go. Yeah, that's a good, I did. I'm very sorry. I didn't know about, about the cancer. I'm very happy to hear you're in remission. That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah. That was cool. That was very cool.

[B]

That's.

[A]

And that's been a lot of those. I've gotten a lot of good stuff of people getting through addictions, diseases, divorces, injuries, like all that sort of shit.

[B]

That's the, the, the kind of bummer of, of ending is like I, I, like I, I was saying yesterday when I was looking at dm, I looked at the DM cuz I was like, oh, like I kind of do want to be a part of that.

[A]

You should go through your DMs. I, I, I think it's very funny that you got a really rude one right off the R.

Remember?

[B]

But I also want, part of me like, wants the show. Like I'm so happy that so many people, this matters to them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like that means the fucking world to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I also want the show to be like through my own lens.

[A]

Yeah. Well, so you don't want it to.

[B]

Be like I don't want to be ruined by other DMs. Like, like the show to me right now is fucking perfect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's no need to.

[A]

I've got a lot of nice ones though. I don't think, I think you will be. I think you will.

[B]

I've also been very emotional about this show and I didn't think I was going to be anymore.

[A]

Really? I thought you were being emotional because.

[B]

I thought I was. Well, I know, I mean when we made the decision, I was very emotional at that time and I think I've been through that. But obviously there are other times where there will be questions about that, that, but it's really sweet hearing from everyone who really liked the show.

[A]

I got a funny dm. Remember, Remember Gabby who I, I said was like fat and ugly? That was more of a radio thing. Do you remember that? I remember that she was like giving me about, like saying that I was ugly and I looked at her profile picture like, you're ugly. And then, and then we ended up like being friends, but so she sent a very, a very heartfelt one as well. But I got a kick out of. Well, I'll just read it. She goes, I don't know exactly how to express what Casey Radio meant to me. You introduced me to Barstool at a time where I thought content was only guess that ass and blogs that I really paid attention to. KFC Radio helped me survive Cube life. Then came Barstool Radio, where I put myself out there and I had such fun banter like, all right, cool, fine. And then it goes, when I found out about your personal scandal, I was heartbroken. I was wearing a quilted sweatshirt and I immediately took it off. I was disgusted and disappointed and understood why the world said, don't meet your heroes.

[B]

This is Robbie Fox. When Chris Pratt and Anna Ferris broke up.

Love is dead.

[A]

And then. And she goes, wait, where is it?

She goes, then it hit me. I know kfc. I don't know, Kevin. I've done bad to good people and believe everything happens for a reason. So I chose to stand by you. Anyway. There was even another one where it was just like.

Like I realized, hang on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She goes, Two things I'll never forget. Where I was during 911 and where I was when I realized my favorite Internet radio personality crush was a garbage trash human like the rest of us.

[B]

And I was like, thanks for the dm, Gabby. We've all been saying it. Kevin Clancy, muhammad Atta. Like.

9 11, dude, what's a 911 comp, bro?

[A]

I have gotten comps over the years. People, rapists and murderers. Never. Straight up. The darkest day in American history, though.

[B]

So that was when Charlie Kirk got shot.

[A]

So despite the fact that I have, I just gave you a, a shining example of why you shouldn't read the dms. I promise you there won't be many like that.

[B]

There's been a lot I got like, honestly though, like, this show, it, it, I don't know. I don't know. To me, it was us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, like, obviously fans are so important, but like, I, I never really.

[A]

I never did anything like, for the fans specifically. I know that sounds bad.

[B]

Like, we did insane on a show where, like voicemails, like, it's a humongously important piece of it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But I, I, I think we, but I, I, we just did our thing.

[A]

Like whatever we were going through or, or felt was funny or did like, I never was like, oh, the fans need this or need that. I was like, I want to do a show for them, but they didn't really dictate, which was probably stupid. Yeah.

[B]

Probably not the way to do a show. You probably should, like, look at what's working and do stuff.

[A]

But then that's how you become, like, a one trick. If we were like, this works every time. Let's just do this. Then the show doesn't go down. Yeah.

[B]

I think we've both found things that we're good at because we didn't stick. Yeah. To keep repeating it and, like, it's just. It's our experience in this field. But I like the way we did it.

[A]

I did give him one.

[B]

I got no regrets.

[A]

I got one text from my buddy Gabe, who was a fan, and he just said, at the exact time, the exact same time you guys said it, I thought to myself, where? At the exact same time you said, where else am I going to get this kind of content? If this show is ending was right when you guys started talking about drinking.

[B]

Piss, it's like, you know, there's plenty.

[A]

There really are plenty.

[B]

That was a funny way to kick off that show, which was probably, like, the first episode since we announced we're ending it.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

We probably haven't talked about drinking piss on the show in a while. Like, it's. We've. Our conversations have probably changed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then everyone's like, oh, the show's ending. I'll check back in. Like, they're the exact same guys they were 10 years ago. You haven't missed a thing. No personal growth.

[A]

I will say it now. I. I ended up having Jackie edit that podcast because right after we did the drinking content, I told the story about Shay and I, and it was funny. And I was like, well, this makes me uncomfortable that those two topics were back to back. But I told Jackie to take that.

[B]

Yeah, it was.

[A]

I. I wrestled with that because I was like, it's the final episodes. Don't edit it. It is a funny moment. Just let it ride. And I was like, no, it's the final episodes. It's not worth it.

[B]

We made it this far. Let's just get down the stairs. Imagine we are going down the stairs.

[A]

And we're on, like, the last step.

[B]

Don't get stuck between the wall. Don't. I was thinking that yesterday when I. In that same episode, when I had done, like, the cooking thing, and I was like, I didn't mean it like that. Just like the. Catherine Blandford had told the joke. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I was like. I just mean, like, I am around with women who cook, and in reality, like, I've never met a woman who cooks. Like, I never met a. And I cook. So that's why I'M like we be. Y' all know how to cook. Like you don't know how.

[A]

That would be very funny though.

[B]

Just following instructions.

[A]

We should maybe just go down in flames. Like the last episode. I'll drop an end bomb. You say like pro Palestine or something. Whatever, whatever. It gets the people going now. And on the last episode our careers are over.

[B]

What is, what is getting the people going right now? What is like the hot topic? I don't know. It's been pretty quiet.

[A]

Palestine thing's always hot. The immigration's a big, big to do.

[B]

I don't, I don't, I, I don't even.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think Charlie Kirk think there's been much debates on the, on the Internet politically that I. Maybe we're. Maybe nature's healing. Maybe it's all working out all right. We got a, a momentous occasion. Our last guest in KFC Radio history is going to be Tom Pelfrey from, you know, from Ozark, you know, from HBO Task. He's the last one on the schedule. Can't imagine we'll be booking anybody in the next couple weeks. Weeks. Unless something falls from the sky. The answer to the trivia question of who is the last. The first guest is what? Brian Beer.

[B]

I, I thought Beer was after like Couture.

[A]

Yeah, you're actually right because that was like Dan had joined the show by that point. So I think maybe the very first guest on. I think my first interview ever was Nate Pargotsi for Mail Time. I think for KFC Radio it's probably Logan Couture. And now we'll wrap up with. With Tom Peltier free.

[B]

It's a hell of an.

[A]

It's funny. It's like, it's not like a comic or like one of the guys we always had on or something. It's like one of the most handsome, amazing actors who just put out like this bomb ass show.

[B]

I, I would argue one of the greatest living actors.

[A]

Let's.

[B]

He's so good.

[A]

Tom Pelfrey on KFC Radio to wrap it up. Let's talk to him.

[B]

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[C]

And we concurs.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, you can say whatever the you want.

[A]

As a matter of fact, actually, let me start here. You will be the last guest in the history of this podcast we started into. Yeah, no pressure. We started in 2012.

[B]

What happened?

[A]

It's just time. It's been, you know, 15 years of.

[C]

The same show and fucking over it.

[A]

Talking to people like you.

[B]

Wow, it's a hell of a. It's like sweeps week. We got. We got used to that. Yeah, I was gonna say, you know.

[A]

Part of it was just like. So when we start. We started in 2012 when like podcasts were really not that big of a thing. And now there's so much Competition and yeah, so many amazing people. So, you know, it was. It was hard out here to keep competing, but since we announced the ending, people are now taking a renewed interest. So. You're getting the most eyeballs we've gotten in a while, bro.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[C]

Why? You guys are like the og. You guys are like Rogan era.

[B]

Like, we were talking about that the other day. Like, it is like before us was like, Rogan, Bill Simmons and Bill Burr probably.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah, we're like, we're like the only guys that didn't turn into like 100 millionaires.

[B]

What the are you guys doing in here?

[A]

We have like a 30 year head start and we just kind of squandered it.

[B]

I don't know. It's like, like Skype the Zoom. We're Blockbuster.

[A]

We're Blockbuster and everyone else is Netflix, man.

[B]

But yeah, we.

[A]

We put this on the schedule and then we made the decision. And so unless something pops up, it's going to end January 1st. So unless something squeaks in in the next couple weeks, you will be the end. The answer to the trivia question of who is the final guest of KFC radio will be none other than Tom Pford.

[C]

Yeah. I'm honored. Thanks.

[B]

No, we are honored.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is awesome.

[A]

This is a great one to end on.

[B]

Sitting here with you. You're insane game. You're so talented.

[A]

But like I was saying. So, like, I'm like, what's. Oh, this new show, Task. Hbo, nine o'. Clock. Historically, I know I'm gonna love that show.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And even with that bar, I was like, this show's a heater, dude.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, and, and I'm actually interested to hear your take because it wasn't like a Game of Thrones, like, or a fantasy thing. It was, you know, it's, it's. I felt like it deserved more hype and acclaim. What's your opinion of it?

[C]

It.

[A]

Did you feel like it was really received that well? Because I feel like it's one of the greatest shows I've ever watched.

[C]

Yeah, no, thanks, brother. No, it was definitely received well.

[A]

And.

[C]

And the numbers were good. Like, okay, good.

[A]

I want all the metrics.

[C]

It was pretty. It was pretty good. I know it's hard to.

[A]

Because sometimes I was like shouting it at people. I was one of those guys. Watch this. No, stop what you're doing and go.

[B]

Watch it right now.

[A]

What's it about? Oh, it's like drugs and it's like. No, but it's.

[B]

But for real. Like, for real. Go watch it.

[A]

It Was that good?

[C]

Thanks, brother. Yeah, no, I felt that way when I read it, and I was like, holy fuck. And also, like, the way I gauge anything I do. Like, there's a lot of stuff I've done that I think is very good and well done. But the way I really gauge anything is, like, I got a younger brother, and I'm like, is Bobby gonna watch this?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I know if I think it'll be popular. Whereas, like, there's plenty of shit I've done my brother ain't got time for. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Something I'm proud of.

[C]

He's four years younger than me, so Bobby's 39 years old. And I'm like, yo, is Bobby gonna watch this? And we were doing tests like, yo, my brother's gonna love this.

[A]

Todd just out here performing, basically for his brother.

[B]

Yeah, no, he's my brother. My brother likes me.

[A]

That I. I mean, the show, the writing, the acting is all so good. But, man, that accent is just great. Dude, that Delco accent. I mean, it just. I mean, if you, like, know it or have lived it, like, it made that show feel so real, because it was like, that is. Is what that area looks like and sounds like, and it was very real.

[C]

It's. It's as real as it gets because Brad grew up there.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

Like, Brad grew up there. He lived there. He moved out. He sold out of the furnace.

[B]

Remember the Christian Bale movie?

[C]

Inglesby wrote that one.

[B]

Who's the other one?

[C]

Woody Harrelson and Affleck.

[B]

Casey. Casey Affleck there.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he. He sells that living there in Pennsylvania, moves out to California, whatever. Eventually, Pandemic, they're going to start filming Mayor of Easttown, and he and his wife. His wife's also from there.

[A]

They.

[C]

They knew each other from high school. They have their kids. They move back temporarily to shoot Mayor in Delco. I mean, we're, like, in Delco.

And they move back and they look at each other like, you're gonna just live here?

[B]

Like, yeah, stay put.

[C]

So they just stayed put.

[B]

It's amazing.

[C]

It's like East Coast. T. Sheridan.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Everybody come to me. Instead of, like, Yellowstone, instead of, like.

[A]

Sprawling mountains in Montana, it's like the Delaware River. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

We're gonna eat some hoagies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You're from Jersey, right? Oh, yeah, we're in Jersey.

[C]

Howell Township. Monmouth County.

[A]

Mama County. Okay. Yeah. I mean, so you. You know, it Too then like that's, that's your world really too 100 all.

[C]

The same, the wawa. The being psychopaths about sports. Like all the like the way you show affection is by joking the out of each other. Being rough and all that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, dude, I remember you said you, you really aligned with Robbie because he was a physical guy and you got a bench when you were 12.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[B]

That spoke to me very well. Like I remember when I got a bench and like it. I got it for Christmas.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was I probably a little younger than 12. I was probably like 10.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Bro, most kids are talking about like Nintendo 64.

[B]

You're like, I got a no. I didn't ask for it. It was like my dad's like come to the garage. Look what I got you. And I was like supposed to use this thing. A bow on it? Yeah, it had a bow on it. I was like, are you telling me something, dude? And, and I think much like you said in the. The quote I'd read where it's like it stays with you forever after that. Like it's always in your life after 100%.

[C]

Like no matter what's going on, even if I'm busy, even if I can't get to a gym, I'm dropping down one day and getting my like 350 push ups until I can't push anymore. You know what I mean? Like, Yeah, I was 12 years old. My dad got it for me in the garage. Sand weights.

[B]

Remember the sand.

[C]

They get punctured, the spills out.

[A]

You meatheads.

[B]

I'm just going to get out of.

[A]

Here, let you two do.

[B]

I had the one that you had to twist them on. Remember that? Like, you know how like now you got a bench, you like slide off and I just like spinning it all. Like most of my workout was just spinning away onto a bar. Totally, totally.

[A]

That's funny man. So, but so task was, was I mean incredible. And I feel like coming off of Ozark as well. I mean that's just like those are two. If you were to never do anything again, I feel like that's a career right there that you could be proud of, let alone whatever else you're going to add to the mix. Like those are two awesome shows. And Ozark you were. Ozark was like so good. I was uncomfortable.

[B]

I was like, this is.

[A]

It's a hard watch. It was heavy, man. That was incredible.

[C]

Thanks brother. Yeah, it does feel that way. It's like, you know.

You don't always get an Opportunity to do the fullest extent of what you think you might be capable of. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's okay. That's okay. But it is the way it is. Like, it's like, I love football and like you watch like a certain running back and you're like, yo, he's got a shit offensive line. The quarterback's not a threat. The scheme sucks. Like, we're never gonna see what that looks like.

[B]

Like, honestly, Saquon talking about someone very specific right now.

[A]

We could talk about.

[C]

Yes, Saquon. Which was like, you know, obviously I'm a die Die Hard Giants fan. I love Saquan. Happy for him. But it was like Giants fan.

[A]

Oh yeah. Oh, I thought Birds fan. Okay.

[C]

No, no, Die Hard Giants.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

But like watching him on the Giants all those years, it was like I would get frustrated for especially because it seems like good dude, but you get frustrated because it's like we suck.

[A]

We can't block his fault.

[C]

The offense isn't really working enough to like establish a consistent run game. See him go to the Eagles and you know, if they played him that last game, he'd probably have the all time time.

[A]

I know, I know. That was that.

[B]

That clip where he's saying, let the young guys eat. Yeah. They're like, you want.

[A]

You can go get this record dunk on them. And he's like, nah, it's all good. That's almost cooler than setting the record.

About it.

[C]

It's so cool. And it just. See everything he does. He seems like a guy with a lot of class and I'm happy for him. But like it's the same thing with acting. You know, it's like you. The first thing is the. A great script, you know, like you that that's the basis. Like, okay, the script is good, but then who's gonna direct it? You know, like that really has an impact on how things co stars are. Who co stars? Who are you playing with? Who are you in the scenes with?

[B]

What's the vibe?

[C]

All that shit. And then you're done with it and then it gets sent to. To post. How are they gonna edit it? What takes are they gonna use?

[A]

There's so many spots where it could all fall apart, right? Like, because even you could have five out of six, but if the edit is terrible, it all goes away.

[C]

If the edit is terrible, if they use the wrong music, like too much or the wrong music or yes.

[A]

Or even like the network it's on and when it airs. And like, I mean all of that plays into it or nobody sees it, right? You can make a masterpiece, but it's. I don't know, on some small. I guess that's a little bit easier now, but back in the day, if you're on some lower channel or whatever, it's like, you know, nobody would know. But. So this one, you felt like it all came together.

[C]

Like, 100 all came together. And to your point, I felt that way about Ozark, too. Like, I was a fan of Ozark before I was on there. You know, everybody was watching the show anyway, so to get those opportunities where, like, I generally felt, like, challenged, it was, like, exciting in the way, like, I really had to work and focus and show up prepared. Especially Ozark, like, that character was walking such a line. But I also didn't want to. I didn't want to, like, back off the line for safety, out of fear, because then that's not really the truth either, you know, so it's like, all right, we're going to go for this. But, like, did you know when you.

[B]

Were doing Ozark in particular, like, did you know that you were just destroying, like, every episode, there's a scene where it's like, holy Tom Pelfrey just went nuts.

[C]

Oh, no, man.

[B]

Like, particularly with you and Laura Linney, like, I mean, it felt.

[C]

It felt good. It felt amazing. I was with all these good actors. But honestly, because it's so.

So heightened. Like, what he's experiencing, what he's living through is so heightened.

[A]

How do you even, like, relate? Like. Like, you know, if you're acting and you're breaking up with someone, it's like, all right, I've broken up with someone before. No one's ever been, like, involved in a cartel scheme where, you know, you kind of, like, sacrifice yourself. Like, how do you even figure out how to act that?

[C]

I mean, there's. There's so much of, you know, you start to think about life this way, and I. I definitely start to. To think about my own experiences and other human beings this way, where I feel like, for the most part, most of the things, you know, that we all experience are, like, on a spectrum. You know, like, actually, I think if you really check in with yourself and if you're trying to find some empathy, you can kind of relate to almost everything. Just a matter of degrees. You know, I'm saying, like, when. When you think about. When you think about Ben from Mozart, and, you know, I. I read this fascinating book about bipolar, and it was written by a. A doctor, like a. Like a Psychiatrist who also was bipolar. So she could tell you experientially her story from childhood through puberty into young adulthood, dealing with this thing, getting on medication, wanting to get off her medication. And then as she's telling you, this lived experience was very emotional, very visceral. As the doctor, she can also break down, like, what's actually happening? What does the medicine do?

[B]

Why, like, what.

[C]

What is happening in the brain and all these. And it was so eye opening, but also so intense. And then you're like, wow. Having these experiences where she's going to the furthest end of either spectrum. We both know, we all know what it's like to be really excited, really happy, you know, even if you think about being younger, I associate some of those feelings a little more, you know, with being younger and stuff. But it's like, what if you crank that to 11? Like, what if you're excited and happy because you are convinced. Convinced that you now know the secrets of the universe?

[A]

You really believe it.

[C]

You know, you know it. There's no belief. You know the secret. So God is speaking directly to you. You can see and know all knowledge. Like, this is how she's describing this kind of manic state, you know, and.

Man, like, even if that's followed by what. Which it always is some kind of crash or depression, which dark and terrifying. And trying to think of your worst day and then cranking up that knob is scary. But you can see how if you could level that out, there could be a part of that person's soul being like, I miss knowing the secrets of the universe.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want. I don't want my life to be, like, muted like that. I want to feel it all. Yeah.

[C]

You know, so it's. It's. Yeah, it was a. It was a really interesting role.

[A]

And so. And you did all that in preparation, like, for this role 100.

[C]

Because you're trying to find, like, what are the. What are the. What are the boundaries? Like, what. How can I understand what that experience is in a way that I can relate to it? And so to your point, it was like, did you know it was good or whatever? I knew it was truthful. I knew it was alive, but I was scared because it was so much that I was like. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know how this is gonna go. This could just be too much. I don't know.

[B]

Right. So you're sitting there for a couple months while they're editing, going, I hope that wasn't too much.

[C]

Honestly, you, like, you kiss it up to God. It's like I. I told the truth to the best of my ability.

[A]

Did your job, like. Yeah.

[C]

You know, like, as long as you.

[A]

Can rest assured that you did your best, it's like.

[C]

Yeah, I feel. I feel like there's a responsibility to that. Like, you know, like some actors and stuff, you feel like they just whatever name names.

[A]

Who and what are you talking about exactly?

[C]

Well, look, the thing is, it's like, it's not our fucking job to be liked. It's not our job to be liked. And this is the part I do take seriously. It's like, what's my job is like, try and identify what that is and bring it to honest life in service of the story as I understand it. It. So if that character is too much for you, if it's annoying, if you don't like it, great, fine. As long as it's. As long as I'm serving the story the right way.

[A]

Purpose. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. So it's like there. There's zero part of that equation that's about me, really. About Tom.

[A]

Who gives a. Yeah, but you know what? That's like, that's a good way to approach that job because I would imagine in Hollywood there's a lot of people who do like, insert themselves or. Or what, their career or their acting or whatever. To really do it right, I would imagine you have to remove like all ego and all of your own personal everything. Right.

[C]

I mean, one, it's the way I was. I was taught, which I'm grateful for, but also, like, it just. I'm way more comfortable doing it that way because I don't want to think about my.

[A]

Who cares?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[C]

And it also makes you more self conscious. It's like, great, we can put all that aside for now. Like, what a treat.

[B]

I could be the bipolar guy who's.

[A]

Stuck in a, you know, murder by the cartel. That's much better than literally.

[B]

Literally, totally.

[A]

Much easier than a regular Tuesday and.

[C]

Laura Lindy's my big sister. Like, how fucking lucky am I? This is going to be awesome for six months.

[B]

Yeah, you said something there that stuck out to me. You said, I take that part very seriously. How. How seriously do you take acting as a whole?

[C]

Yeah, serious. You know, I was. I had a high school teacher, changed my life, you know, Steve Kazakhov. And I've talked about him a bunch, but, like, he was legit scarier than the football coaches.

[B]

Like, what kind of teacher was he?

[C]

Drama. He was an acting teacher, you know, and like, he was. He took it so seriously. He had such respect for it, and he demanded that we do the same. And that, like, his work ethic, his way of looking at it, it just went all the way into my bones. And so, like, you know, especially now, getting older, I haven't done this stuff for years. Like, the truth is, man, it's amazing that anything gets done. You know, I'm saying every single thing. Even if you think it's a piece of shit, like, chances are that's somebody's baby. Yeah. That took somebody years, man. Like, people put a lot of money into that. That's work. Sweat, tears, disappointment, heartbreak, success. All of it. Like, you bring together hundreds of people to work on something. And when we're working, and it's amazing, but, like, when we're working, especially the crew, that's five days a week, 14 hours a day, you don't. You're not seeing your family. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You're not your family.

[C]

You're not. I mean, I. I can. The actors sometimes get it the best.

[B]

I'll.

[C]

I'll get some days off. The crew's there every day, all day. You know, I'm saying. So, like, when you start to think about that as a human being now, as a man, as, like, an adult, it's like, these people deserve my best.

[A]

They do.

[C]

And then you're gonna ask people to take hours out of their life to, like, watch. I don't know, man.

[B]

Like, ask your brother to watch.

[C]

So I do. I do take it seriously. I also feel like, you know, like, having struggled and. And. And failed for a long time, like, it's just always a sense of gratitude.

[A]

We were just talking about that, how. How longevity is almost like, as important as talent or anything else, where it's like, if you can hang around long enough in the industry and do enough work that, like, you'll catch a break or your moment will hit or the experience eventually catches up with you, whatever it is. You just gotta make sure you can be, you know, around for 5, 10, 15, hopefully 20. Amen, you know? Amen. And then something falls out of the sky, or you earn it or whatever it is, but it's because you were there. Yeah.

[C]

I remember a Harrison Ford quote when I was younger, and they said, what advice do you have for actors? He said, don't quit.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[B]

All you got to do is get up.

[A]

I'd imagine it's a really easy thing to quit when it's like, I want to be winning Oscars and I can't even book Like a commercial. It.

[B]

I'm done.

[A]

I'm going to go work. Totally. It's like, totally. That you weed out the people who, who don't deserve it because they, they, they, they do give up, you know? So.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't give up is we. And we also said this. All of the corny cliches that you learn.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All come true, man. They all fucking go like, don't ever give up. It's like, no, but for real, don't ever give up. Well, that's the most important thing.

[C]

The only way to 100% guarantee it'll never happen is give up.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That's the only way you can.

[A]

That's for sure.

[C]

Guarantee an outcome. Give up. Yeah.

[B]

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[C]

Wow, what a great question. You know, it's funny. These things are easier to spot sometimes in retrospect, aren't they?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

See how your life comes together. I mean, look, the decision I made that changed my entire life, the best decision I ever made was getting sober. You know, that was 12 years ago. And Congratulations. Thank you, brother.

[B]

We were just talking about that, too. Well, everyone's sober.

[C]

Yeah. Well, it's like by the grace of God, you know, and like, alcohol for you. Alcohol, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything else, I could take it or leave it.

But, you know, when I look back now at my life, there's so much chaos before then, it's hard to make a ton of sense of it. But starting October 1, 2013, and to see where I am now, I can work backwards perfectly and it makes me emotional to talk about, but it's like, aside from how awesome work is, and it is awesome. I'm living my dream, you know, like, task was so incredible and to see how it's being received and stuff. Like, your enthusiasm, when you talk about it, it's like, means the world to me. It's so cool. But I also. I'm a dad now.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I'm in love. I have an amazing partner, you know, and I definitely wouldn't have any of that stuff if I hadn't gotten sober. So I think sometimes, you know, I have a lot of friends and certainly over the years, certain actors saying, like, what did you do? Because I was struggling until I got sober, everything changed.

[B]

Like.

[A]

And it's funny how that works. Well, when your brain and your emotions and your body are functioning, it's a little bit easier.

[C]

Easier.

[B]

Yeah. But it's true. But don't you have all the wisdom of the world, too?

[C]

I mean, I mean, it's crazy, but it's like. But it's like, even for people who don't necessarily. Aren't necessarily struggling with addiction, whatever. It's like.

Can you look inside? Like, I genuinely believe the answers. Are you going inside? I believe that you change the outside world by how you are inside, that everything organizes itself around that. Even if it's. Even if we're going to say it's as simple as what you Start noticing because you're thinking differently. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Sure.

[C]

So my advice is always. It's never like, oh, do this or go to this thing or call this person. It's like, no, sit with yourself. Like, know yourself.

[A]

Get your shit. Wrestle with yourself.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or just like, like poke around and.

[C]

Be aware of what the going on. I mean, I still don't have my together. I'm still all over the place. But like, I do work on it all the time. I'm curious about it. Try and be aware of it. You know, Brian Cranston said that.

[B]

I think he said his only acting advice is have your house in order. After that, it's easy, yo. That it's.

[C]

It's so true. Because also being an actor, it's like inextricably linked to who you are as a human being. Because this is all I got.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, my experience, my creativity, my imagination, my body, my voice, my face, my emotions, my heart, all that.

[A]

Yeah, bro. That hair, that scruff you got going.

[B]

A great hairline.

[A]

I mean, it is boom, straight across, man.

[B]

Stop it. I was thinking that. Honestly, dude, I was. I. I've watched Task, like, listen, this.

[C]

Hair took about 45 minutes this morning, by the way.

[A]

Really worth every word. It worked.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

But I was watching. I was watching Task again last night, probably honestly for the fifth time. And I was watching episode four or five. I forget, but it was when the. The picture of you kind of blocking the guy at the truck stop.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Sam's in the background, but it's. Your hand is there, but then your hairline is right above your head. And I was like, damn, Pelfrey's hairline's popping right now.

[C]

The hair.

[A]

You're like, you're like six inches taller than other Hollywood actors.

[B]

You got to go going on, man.

[C]

Listen. Thank God I got hair, cuz I got a head like a watermelon. No joke. No. Only hat I could wear is size 8 fitted.

[B]

No way.

[C]

Yes. I promise. I'm not exaggerating.

[B]

An eight handle.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

You get me a snapback. Even as a trucker, the final button.

[A]

It'S bent, twisted, and it always comes with like.

[C]

Yeah, because I got.

Saying I'm grateful for the hair.

[A]

There was big news in the Hollywood, in the entertainment world today. I don't know if you saw it. Quentin Tarantino is putting out his list of favorite movies of all time. Says that There Will Be Blood would have been number one. But Paul Dano Sucks. He's the most uninteresting guy in the world.

[B]

What.

[A]

What would your reaction be if that was. Was said about you? Is that something that would affect you? Would you respond to it? Would you laugh it off? Like, that's a pretty harsh. I was so uncalled for.

[B]

But how would you react?

[C]

I'm. I don't know, but that is brutal.

[A]

It's worse than, like, the weight. Like, just saying. Someone saying you're uninteresting is like, oh, I'd rather say you're ugly or your head's too big, even just, you suck at acting. Like, but just to say you're uninterested, it's.

[B]

And it's coming from a goat.

[C]

And it's coming from a goat.

[A]

It's not just somebody. He doesn't know what the he's talking about. So he knows.

[C]

No, I know, but I do think.

[A]

That sound a little, like, personal to me. I almost wonder if that wasn't. He doesn't know.

[C]

Let's hope. Let's hope there's something. Let's hope there's something personal. I mean, look, also, it's like, yo, good luck. Anybody going against the.

[A]

The real.

[C]

The acting.

[A]

Go. Yeah, right. Of course you're gonna get outshined by, like, it's like, that guy sucks at basketball. He couldn't beat LeBron. It's like, yeah, doesn't mean you suck at basketball.

[B]

It's like, come on.

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, no, that's. That's rough. I don't know how you. I don't know how you don't take that personally. Look, that would ruin my day.

[A]

But the response from everyone else on the Internet these days, like, today has been like, he's wrong. Paul Dano's awesome. So I wonder if it almost. You know, it's like you hear it from probably one of your idols as an actor, but then the whole, like, the fans that you're making it for are all like, no, he's the man. So I wonder. I hope he's taking solace in that and not fixating on what Tarantino said.

[C]

Oh, he's an actor.

[B]

He'll be fixating.

[A]

That was kind of my question.

[B]

So.

[A]

So as an actor, that's not something you think you could just laugh off. That's gonna. That's gonna hit you.

[C]

I mean, yo, it depends on who it comes from. Like, there's plenty of people in our business who are successful. I could give a less what they.

[B]

Think about anything, honestly.

[C]

Yeah. But then there's other.

[B]

What's going.

[A]

Let's get cancelled.

[B]

Let's just light it all on fire.

[C]

One last show.

[A]

Let's get a drink.

[B]

Let's get a drink.

[A]

Get some whiskey.

[B]

Let's go. Yeah.

[A]

Also, could we get Coach Gruden in here?

[C]

I want him to quiz me on.

[B]

The Giants offensive line.

[A]

I love. Dude, it's so, so funny. We'll wrap up quickly because we got another thing to do with you. But I. I have noticed that out of all the people we've met in Hollywood and entertainment, when they seem to be, like, sports fans and, like, a little bit normal, you can. It makes a difference. Yeah, it really makes a difference because, like, there are great actors, but sometimes they're so in their actor mode that it's like, I don't even think you're a real human, you know? But the fact that you can, like, flip a switch and go do Ozark or go do task, ask, and then you can sit here and talk to me about why the giants have lost 100 games in the last three seasons and they stink. And the jets and Giants are the only teams that have lost 100 games over the last however many years it is.

[C]

And the jets have won more than we have.

[A]

I know. Yeah. The Giants are the worst team in the league for, like, the last, I think, five.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Stop. But. But. But it. Like, even though as soon as he came in, he was like, what the. Up, guys? All right.

[B]

This guy's gonna be cool.

[A]

He's gonna fit right in.

[B]

And it's east coast guys versus West Coast.

[A]

Really?

[B]

If you're from the east coast, you'll be cool. If you're not, you won't. It really is.

[A]

You could be cool on the west coast, but you're almost, like, guaranteed to be cool if you're on the East Coast.

[C]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

It's. It's a. It's a thing.

[C]

It's also how you're raised, you know? Like, I was. I was raised by a single mother, blue collar, as in Jersey. Like, you know, there's just, like. There's just certain. You're, like, when it's going good, I'm like, this is crazy.

[B]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[A]

You remember what it's like?

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, this is so cool. Like, I don't take it for granted.

[B]

You know, that's the most important thing.

[A]

It really is, man. And it shows because, like, it. It feels like in these scenes, you really. I walk away from some of those scenes being like, but that did it, bro.

[B]

He did the same thing. I don't know if I've ever been around an actor who affects me as.

[A]

Much as you do.

[B]

Like, you're incredible, man. You're so, so talented. It's great. It's so cool to sit here and talk to you.

[A]

Wow. Congrats on all these success, man. I hope you know, whatever's next, I think, think. I think big, big things are ahead, and you've already done some big things.

[C]

So listen, I wish you guys would, like, keep this going. This is so much time.

[A]

Fine.

[B]

It's gonna keep going.

[A]

All right?

[C]

We're gonna get another year out of the podcast.

[B]

It was just one person going. Can you keep going? Yeah.

[A]

All we needed was one ounce of positive reinforcement.

N. We.

[B]

We'll.

[A]

We'll, we'll. Let's. How about every year, Pelfrey comes back and we reunite for an episode?

[B]

Dale.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

In.

[B]

All right. Yeah.

[A]

It'll be December 3rd.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

From now till the end of time, you got to come back and we'll do one episode a year.

[B]

The only episodes of Games Radio going forward will be Kevin, John, and Tom.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The question question will be who was the last guest on KFC Radio? And it'll just always be you. It'll be you, but it'll be you new every time.

[B]

Congrats, man.

[A]

I love it. Thank you so much for coming through.

[B]

Thanks.

[C]

Thank you, guys.