The DAWG Roasts KFC Radio One Last Time - Full Episode

Summary

KFC Radio — "The DAWG Roasts KFC Radio One Last Time" (December 9, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode serves as a farewell of sorts, with regular hosts Kevin Clancy (KFC) and John Feitelberg ("Fights") joined by Nate—"the Dawg"—who delivers one of his signature, long-awaited roasts aimed at KFC Radio and its cast. The conversation organically evolves from Nate’s roast into a thoughtful, often hilarious, exploration of Barstool’s internal dynamics, creative anxieties, the future of content, resilience in online careers, and the evolving landscape of movies and streaming. The tone is part roast, part tribute, and part group therapy, blending sincerity and biting wit—typical of KFC Radio’s barroom style.

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Key Segments and Highlights

1. Nate’s Farewell Roast of KFC Radio (03:06–06:13, Encore at 11:12)

• Nate delivers a written roast with biting but heartfelt jabs at Kevin, John, and the wider KFC Radio ensemble, calling back to different eras and guests, poking at career choices, notoriety, and the show's many iterations.
  • Quote – Nate:
    “Never forget the Asa Akira era of KFC radio... never forget in the 9/11 way, as in, it was an absolute disaster. How is it even possible that Asa has worked with thousands of men and somehow John Feitelberg and Kevin Clancy are the two she had absolutely zero chemistry with?” (03:48)
  • Quote – Nate:
    “Kevin, I admire that you made millions of dollars in the Barstool sale, but are still dedicated to looking homeless. And, John, I admire that you made $0 off the Barstool sale and are still dedicated to dressing like a—" (04:08)
  • Quote – Nate:
    “KFC Radio is one big family, which is obviously why Kevin wants to do what he does best and break it apart.” (04:31)
  • Quote – Nate:
    “For the last 10 years he’s been telling us, with a straight face, that KFC Radio is actually a good show.” (05:13)
• Encore Roast:
  Nate improvises another roast for Trent and Frank the Tank, culminating with,
  • Quote – Nate:
    “Frank, of course, is a Mets fan, which is a group of overpaid stars that nobody else wants. Or as we call it, KFC Radio.” (11:59)

Reaction:
Kevin and John both admit to being nervous prior to the roast, illustrating the stakes even among longtime friends (“I think the very fact that Kevin and I were both nervous, that speaks to... you're good” — John, 19:20).

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2. The Value & Rarity of Company Roasts (06:13–14:25)

• Discussion on why Nate doesn’t roast more often and the positives/negatives of regular roasting:
  • Quote – John (to Nate):
    “Once a month, roast of us, like the goings ons at Barstool. ... If you’re good at that and people are like, ‘oh that’s the roasting guy’ then you can start to do outside of Barstool.” (09:38)
  • Both hosts encourage Nate to lean into his unique comedic voice—roasting—rather than waiting for the “big stage.”
  • Nate voices preference for the scarcity:
    “I really, really do think there is something to not doing it all the time and just popping up every couple years and doing it.” (13:55)

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3. Content Creation, Internet Culture & Career Reflection (14:44–29:38)

• Honest exchange about the difficulty and rewards of online content:
  • Kevin and John stress how modest viewership can still be professionally viable, challenging the internal Barstool metric that “success” means millions of views.
  • They emphasize carving out niches (e.g., Nate’s roast/poker content).
  • Quote – Kevin:
    “There are people out there, you get thousands, tens of thousands of views who can make a job, make a living off of that. And around here, you’ll never get any — that’s not gonna get praised because it’s like you’re, you know, a drop in the ocean. But I think it would work, man. I think it would work.” (15:26)
  • The group jokes about New Year’s resolutions:
    “2026, I’m doing content.” — Nate (16:28)
• Thin-skinned culture and the impact of comments/social media:
  • Both hosts admit that Barstool, despite its tough-guy reputation, is full of people with fragile egos.
  • Quote – John:
    “I think the thinnest skinned people on the Internet are here.” (34:19)
  • Kevin shares the challenge of overcoming self-deprecation as it shapes the audience's view and possibly limits professional opportunities.

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4. Online Fame, Resilience, and Mentality (39:43–48:09)

• Kevin and John elaborate on learning not to engage with negative online narratives, the unexpected value of real-life positive encounters, and the hard-earned wisdom of longevity in the content game.
  • Quote – John:
    “I never even factored in that, like, people were saying they liked me because, like, all I. In my head, I honestly don’t know what people would say the general vibe about me was. But in my head, I was despised. Everyone fucking hated me. ... Now I have no idea that anyone hates me before people in the street say hi a day. And I’m like, fuck it. Nice to me.” (41:44)
• Pam talks about the confidence that comes from rejecting criticism:
  • Quote – Pam:
    “I used to, like, really think I was ugly, and now I see somebody say I’m ugly, I’m like, no, I’m not, though. Like, I know that I’m not.” (45:41)
• The importance of failure and getting back up:
  • Quote – John:
    “I think confidence comes from failing and realizing you don’t die.” (48:06)

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5. The Changing Landscape of Movies & Streaming (79:10–109:19)

• In-depth, passionate debate about the future of film, streaming, and the movie theater experience:
  • The group dissects proposed Netflix/Warner Brothers mergers and antitrust issues.
  • Quote – John:
    “It’s the number one company buying the number three company. And the number two company is Amazon. Like, it’s so obviously setting up a monopoly that there’s no way this goes.” (79:56)
  • Lively back-and-forth on whether theaters will survive (“Movie theaters made at the box office this year...$9 billion” — John, 99:39), generational change, and whether people value the big-screen experience.
  • Quote – Pam:
    “I only need like 12 good songs a year to get me through the year. Kind of same with movies. ... As long as you have a Barbenheimer, you need a Nolan.” (104:09)
• Creative speculation on how theaters could attract people: IMAX, “event” screenings, bundling TV finales, and integrating bonus content.

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6. Metacommentary on the End of KFC Radio (Throughout)

• The hosts reflect repeatedly, humorously, and somewhat unceremoniously on ending the show:
  • “Technically, you know, Tom Pelfrey is our last guest. ... Maybe Nate. Nate will like that.” — Kevin (29:43)
  • Promise of a more formal nostalgia/remembrance episode next time.
    “As we've announced the end of the show, we also just like, kept doing the show. So our plan to do some of the reminiscing and nostalgia, we’ll do next episode.” (111:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kevin Clancy (on why Barstool is unique):
  “I think this place was so radically successful because you get thrown in the deep end. And so, you know, whoever kind of makes it, they truly make it. ... There’s not many, like, fake propped up people here, if at all.” (10:13)

• Nate (meta self-deprecation):
  “That’s what you do when you’re not funny enough to do other stuff. It’s like, oh, he’s the guy who makes fun of people.” (18:11)

• On Internet feedback cycles:
  “People are so afraid to, to take an L or be the butt of the joke.” — Kevin (33:53)

• John (about confidence and content):
  “I think confidence comes from failing and realizing you don’t die.” (48:06)

• On longevity in careers:
  “Everyone in this world is, like, so very selfish... Unless you have a producer or somebody that really cares about, like, that they’re not thinking about it. You have to recognize it yourself. And, like, it’s hard. It takes time to recognize things yourself. ... That’s why I think probably everyone will probably... it takes 10 years.” — John (63:27–63:42)

• Final playful jab:
  “But you guys are gay. ... you guys, you’re the, you know, you’re the passion.” — Kevin (101:39)

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Structurally Important Timestamps

• Opening and preamble: Skipped (ads)
• Nate sits down, roast begins: 03:06
• Nate’s Encore Roast (Trent/Frank the Tank): 11:12
• Discussion on making roasting recurring content for Nate: 06:13–14:25
• Content creation, confidence, audience, Barstool dynamics: 14:44–48:09
• Metacommentary on confidence and feedback: 39:43–48:09
• Streaming/Movies/Antitrust deep dive: 79:10–109:19
• Plans for formal KFC Radio farewell episode: 111:53

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Tone & Language

The episode features signature Barstool banter—self-deprecating, irreverent, and meta—with unfiltered honesty about the reality of digital fame, the quirks of working at Barstool, anxieties about online reception, and deep-dive debates on the fate of entertainment media. The language remains colloquial, sometimes crude, always candid.

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For New Listeners

This episode captures the spirit of KFC Radio—a blend of inside jokes, real vulnerability, withering roasts, and authentic reflection on Internet careers and content creation. Whether you’re a Barstool fan or just curious about what happens when plugged-in creators face a changing media world—and each other—this show offers both catharsis and laughs.

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Next episode will focus on formal reminiscing and nostalgia, with old clips, voicemails, and more farewell content.

Transcript

[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feitelberg]

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[John Feitelberg]

Are you nervous?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, I am too. I'm like. I'm like. This might be one of those things you don't ask all the time for.

[Kevin Clancy]

What's up, big dog?

[John Feitelberg]

I'm have to sit where Jackie says.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Wait, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

What?

[John Feitelberg]

Just.

[Nate]

Just for.

[Jackie]

Just for a minute.

[Kevin Clancy]

Something happening. Are we recording? We're recording. Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

What's going on?

[Kevin Clancy]

We got the dog on Casey radio. He's gone. He's gone rogue and taken over the show. You don't know about this? You guys know it. You know about this, John. What?

[Nate]

What's the one thing you say I should do more of?

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe once.

[Nate]

More than once every five years?

[John Feitelberg]

Roast. Oh, you roasting us?

[Kevin Clancy]

You want to sit over there?

[John Feitelberg]

Sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's just way too close.

[Nate]

I go over there, I just can't be in punching rings.

[Kevin Clancy]

Is this inspired by something specific or just like, it's your five year old?

[Nate]

No. You know, you guys are. Are leaving.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. I wasn't sure if this was like we did.

[Nate]

Oh, no, you roast the Ones you love.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Nate]

If you don't mind, I'm gonna read it off paper.

[John Feitelberg]

That's.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's a long.

[Nate]

No, no, no. It's not that long.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's not that long.

[Jackie]

All right, you're good.

[John Feitelberg]

Nate, are you nervous?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah. I am too. I'm like. I'm like. This might be one of those things you don't ask all the time for something. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I hope this is pointed at him.

[John Feitelberg]

I didn't say this. I don't want this.

[Kevin Clancy]

That a good point.

[John Feitelberg]

You read this the first half or second half? Leave the other one out.

[Nate]

No, my heart is being very. It's when it was. When it was at the award show, it was, like, in front of everybody and made.

[John Feitelberg]

This is like. Go ahead, Nate.

[Nate]

It made more sense. All right, let's run through it.

[Kevin Clancy]

All right.

[Nate]

God, this is nerve wracking.

[Kevin Clancy]

You got this, but it's like we.

[John Feitelberg]

Making them like you came in. I know, I know. Shut up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Shut up. Ed.

[Nate]

All that out.

[Kevin Clancy]

All right.

[Nate]

I want to, like, look at you, but I don't. I'm sad you guys are ending the show. KFC Radio is the original barstool sports podcast. You guys have had so many comedians and actors on, always given a platform to the guests who weren't famous enough to go. And pardon my take.

There were many iterations of KFC Radio. Of course, it started with the three Catholics. Kevin, you're Catholic, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes, yes.

[Nate]

Right. So you. And then the two guys you met for Mass.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well done.

[John Feitelberg]

Well done.

[Nate]

And then never forget the ASA Akira era of KFC radio. Of course. I mean, never forget in the 911 way, as in, it was an absolute disaster. How is it even possible that ASA has worked with thousands of men and somehow John Feitelberg and Kevin Clancy are the two she had absolutely zero chemistry with.

Kevin, I admire that you made millions of dollars in the barstool sale. In the barstool sale, but are still dedicated to looking homeless. And, John, I admire that you made $0 off the barstool sale and are still dedicated to dressing like a.

There's not just you guys. There's also Pavs and Jackie. You could say KFC Radio is one big family, which is obviously why Kevin wants to do what he does best and break it apart.

Look, I love you guys, and you're gonna go do great things after this show. John, the boss seemed to love your work and lay mascots. And Kevin, thank God you can always fall back on your other job. The GM of comedy. But seriously, John, you'll be great. We all know that from out of order. Since the number one takeaway has been, wow, I can't believe fights can act. Everyone's been complimenting you on your acting skills, and I'm confused. Like, yeah, no shit. He's a great actor. For the last 10 years, he's been telling us, what with a straight face, that KFC Radio is actually a good show.

And, Kevin, you crush it on one minute, man. Absolutely crush it. You should be proud to be the second best Fordham graduate at barstool sports, at spewing regurgitated takes into your phone, behind Jackman.

I'm in. Second.

[John Feitelberg]

Silver medal.

[Nate]

So here's the KFC Radio. I'll always appreciate you guys for the years of entertainment, for putting yourselves out there, and for paving the way for the rest of the successful shows, who, without you guys would have never cracked the code and figured out that special recipe called two guys talking to a microphone.

Can't wait to see what you do next. I know.

[John Feitelberg]

We'll all be watching.

[Nate]

God bless.

[John Feitelberg]

More than every five years.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was right.

[John Feitelberg]

You could have.

[Kevin Clancy]

Who knows, Nate? If you barged in here and did that more often, maybe we wouldn't be ending. Maybe you could have been a third mic.

[John Feitelberg]

Who knows?

[Nate]

Maybe I would have got a raise in the last three years.

[John Feitelberg]

That was excellent.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was great.

[John Feitelberg]

What? What?

[Kevin Clancy]

What was. Sorry. Hang. Let me fix my mic. What was the. Was it just, like, shows ending and I want to do this, or was there, like, an impetus?

[Nate]

Since I did the jokes at the award show, I've been writing new ones, but I can't use the KFC radio ones if we ever do it again. Oh.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh. Got it. Got it. So I had to do the. Wait, wait, you. So you got these in the tuck.

[Nate]

Waiting for, like, literally only 1. 2. Only 2 of them.

[Kevin Clancy]

Only two.

[Nate]

And then I wrote.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, no. But I'm saying in general, you have, like, roast ready for the next.

[Nate]

I have, like, 15 minutes.

[Pam]

Okay.

[John Feitelberg]

Okay. I was gonna say, like, obviously, that's why this has started. Is Eric and I used to get in arguments about. I'd be like, do it more often. You're really funny. You're really good at this. And Eric did not like that.

[Nate]

I like waiting for big moments.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, I. Okay, okay. First of all, it's ridiculous. I need a big enough stage for you to shine. That's like. That's like. So that's like, you know, some up and coming comic being like, I'll do my material when I'm at the Garden.

[John Feitelberg]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

You got to start at the Chocolate Hut. But. But for real, like, you don't wait because especially the way, you know, everything has been going. Oh, no.

[Nate]

I told Tommy that when I die, he has to read them at my funeral.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's the next big time.

[Nate]

If they're.

[Kevin Clancy]

When you die, when you're like 39, we don't.

[Nate]

I assume we're going to do a 25th anniversary.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay. So this. What I was about to say, though, is whatever you have, like, marked down is like, oh, we'll do that. We'll do that. I just don't know if you can. Just the way things have been going with people moving away and things kind of fragmenting, I don't know if. Do you think Dave's in the. In the mindset to do another award show right now?

[John Feitelberg]

Like, I would say no from where I sit.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just don't want you to. You know what this is, is Kevin McAllister with his rollerblades. He keeps them in the box and he never wears them. He grows out of them. You're gonna grow out of your roasting phase. You can't be 50 being the roasting guy.

[Nate]

If we don't do a 25th, I'm fired before that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Bro. But you don't think right now. I mean, I know right now this is not even a thing. If you put up a video right now, just being like, the Roast of barstool sports, get like 3,000. No, that would smash.

[John Feitelberg]

I see. You're dead wrong.

[Kevin Clancy]

That will smash. That will smash you.

[John Feitelberg]

What will happen is if it's good like that, it's good. I. I think people at this company are probably not super eager to get made fun of. No, as long. As long as it's coming from you, at least. I. Speaking for myself, like, I hate getting made fun of with low hanging fruit from the comment section. But if you're doing your own jokes, like, that's funny. And I think people at the company will appreciate that and be like, oh, this is funny.

[Kevin Clancy]

If it's quality and it's coming from a person who I guess has the right to, if you will. Like, you're not just a commenter. It's like, you know, enough. Yeah, I think. I think that it matters what you're saying and who's saying it. And I guess the third thing would be where. And I understand that you're waiting for that, but just do it on the Internet, bro.

[John Feitelberg]

I think I consider.

[Nate]

I'll consider it the.

[John Feitelberg]

Let me just Say this.

[Kevin Clancy]

We. What were we talking about? You and I were talking last week about something.

[Nate]

People wanting more.

[Kevin Clancy]

We were talking about something about, like, Nate doing some sort of content. And I was like, it's a very similar conversation like this. Oh, you should just like, go do this. And he went like, yeah, but I don't do content.

[John Feitelberg]

And we were like, this.

[Kevin Clancy]

It all. It always leads back. We have all these conversations with Nate and he goes, yeah, but I don't do.

[Nate]

I made a New year's resolution in 2026. I'm doing content. No, no, I. I stopped around, like, 2019. I think I'm going to get back into the content game in 2020.

[John Feitelberg]

You Absolutely. Like, I really think. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people hate it. I don't know. But, like, I think once a. Once a. Once a month, maybe you could get to bi weekly, but once a month, roast of us, like the goings ons at barstool. And then you're good at it, by the way.

[Pam]

It.

[Kevin Clancy]

It opens. Like, if you're good at that and people like, oh, that's the roasting guy. Then you can start to do outside of Barcelona. You know what I mean?

[Nate]

What's that phrase? The chickens come home to roost. It's going to be bloodbath.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, so. So, I mean, I wouldn't recommend this for, like, peace of mind and general sanity and happiness, but it'll do.

[Nate]

That's why I stopped making content.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I. It's actually funny that this all unfolded because I was just having this thought this morning just about barstool in general. And I was thinking on the one hand, I think this place was so radically successful because you get thrown in the deep end. And so, you know, whoever kind of makes it, they truly make it. There's really.

[John Feitelberg]

There's no.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's not. Not many, like, fake propped up people here, if at all. Right. Like, you're just kind of.

[John Feitelberg]

Sorry. I'm just thinking about the recipe of two guys on a mic.

We cracked the code, man.

[Nate]

Wait, what?

[John Feitelberg]

That joke. We found the recipe that no one else could crack.

But I do have one more serious.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, why did you keep this one?

[Nate]

It's called an encore.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not a roasted guy. I don't know. I should have known.

[John Feitelberg]

I should have.

We want one more joke.

[Kevin Clancy]

One more joke. Yeah.

[Nate]

So this is one that I wrote for if we ever did, like, a big one again. So I didn't want to say it originally here because it involves people not in the room. I was like, I'll just do Casey Radio 1. But I don't know. You guys are feeling it. I don't have it written down.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is part of being a guy, you know, you got.

[Nate]

So basically it's like Trent's here. Give it up for Trent.

[Kevin Clancy]

Big daddy Trent. Yeah.

[Nate]

So Trent was once the world's fattest baby, only to be surpassed by Frank the Tank. Frank the Tank gets upset at literally everything besides the diabetes that's gonna kill him. Frank, of course, is a Mets fan, which is a group of overpaid.

[Kevin Clancy]

And.

[Nate]

It'S like a group of, you.

[John Feitelberg]

Know, I see what it goes.

[Nate]

A group of overpaid stars that nobody else wants. Or as we call it, KFC Radio.

[John Feitelberg]

You gotta.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you nailed that.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, you gotta deliver that one.

[Nate]

Yeah, I didn't write it down, but yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

By the way, real quick on Frank, what an all time Notre Dame Mushroom. Him. You see that? He was touching the sign. No, he touched the. Like be a champion today.

[John Feitelberg]

Was he there that week?

[Kevin Clancy]

This weekend? So it went around in our Mets chat and I was like, oh, they're. And then the ultimate Frank Mush.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I, I think you should roast, man. I think you should roast. I think you start with something very good.

[Nate]

House minus one platform to do it on.

[John Feitelberg]

Well, I think it's doom in the office. Like we should do something here where like once a.

[Kevin Clancy]

Once a month.

[John Feitelberg]

Once or whatever, whenever you have ready is like.

[Kevin Clancy]

So we had, we had this idea. Dago came up with this. Chris came up with the idea of we were going to call it not safe for work. And the idea was this was a few years ago now these comics have all blown up so much because of Casey Radio, you know, that it would just be very hard to get it done. But the idea was just basically you do a stand up set. Sort of like where Gaz sits and everyone sits.

[Nate]

Yeah, we built a stage for that one time.

[Kevin Clancy]

Did we? Yeah, for the show.

[John Feitelberg]

No, no, no. We. We were taking like, we were out.

[Kevin Clancy]

There looking at it.

[John Feitelberg]

Okay. So.

[Kevin Clancy]

But the idea was. Come in. It's called not safer work. You do a set that's. It's not in a club, an arena, you know, whatever. It's just for the barstool people. And I think that it, it didn't work for multitude of reasons. Number one, kind of like these comics really, all the ones we want to see got really big and they were kind of like, no. And also I think it's weird to do it just for barstool people, but a barstool person doing a barstool roast in front of the barstool people would, Would work, you know, and that way you would have, like, you don't have to just be like, I don't know, just make a YouTube video of you, like, to the camera by yourself. You have a little bit of an audience. It. It makes it better because you're doing it right in front of the people. You know, I will say, I mean, everyone will hate.

[Nate]

You're gonna, you're gonna hate what I'm gonna say. I, I really, really do think there is something to not doing it all the time and just popping up every couple years and doing it.

[John Feitelberg]

Sure.

[Nate]

I really think there's something right.

[John Feitelberg]

It. It's. It's cooler that way. It's not the best way to have a career. But like, you are. Right. Add it to the list. I, I think that ship has sailed. But like, like, no, it hasn't sailed. Like, if you wanted to do. Well, no, 20, 26, I'm doing content, a repeatable segment. That's a good repeatable segment. Is it better once every five years at a award show?

[Nate]

Yeah, of course.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then it hits a little more. But I mean, I, I would love to, like, never post on social media again, but I'm going to do it. So I have a job. So that's kind of the trade off is like, I don't want to sit there being a fucking green screen for the rest of my life. But that's what you got to do to, yeah. You know, have a job at Barcelona.

[Nate]

So I'm going to start next year.

[Kevin Clancy]

26.

[John Feitelberg]

You really are, though, maybe.

[Nate]

Yeah, no, I have to, I have.

[Kevin Clancy]

To, I have to. I mean, bro, for real, if you just did poker content and roasting content, you could carve out a really nice niche for yourself. Yeah. And. And we do. What happens at barstool, what really happens in this modern era is, is like, if you're not getting millions of views and generating millions of dollars, nobody cares. But in the, like, grand scheme of the Internet, if you were to. To do some of that shit and get, you know, you probably get right away, like, tens of thousands of views off the bat, and that's good for a lot of people. Remember, you look at the KFC radio numbers the other day and you're like, you would kill for this. Like, that's kind of how I feel about, like, especially YouTube numbers. Like, there are people out there, you get thousands, tens of thousands of views who can make a job, make a living off of that. And around here, you'll never get any that's not gonna get praised because it's like you're, you know, a drop in the ocean. But I think it would work, man. I think it would work. Thank you.

[Pam]

I do what you do, like, better than any other.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, are you gonna. Mike, wait. What you said?

[John Feitelberg]

I was just saying something nice about.

[Kevin Clancy]

Name.

[Nate]

Would not move six inches to say.

[John Feitelberg]

She just went.

[Kevin Clancy]

She's like, no, no, no.

[John Feitelberg]

It's totally important. I'm just saying everyone loves Nate on TikTok.

[Kevin Clancy]

The Nate effect on TikTok.

[John Feitelberg]

He's like, pam is wonderful, and she works really hard.

[Nate]

I would never say that to her face.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, when you're doing the 20 questions and that sort of stuff. Those tiktoks. Yeah.

[Nate]

She looked over at the microscope.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let. Let the world in on the secret.

[John Feitelberg]

No.

[Pam]

Probably going to take it out because I hate it. But I'm not talking into a mic.

[John Feitelberg]

She's still not talking to him. Like, the go.

[Nate]

So, yeah, two New Year's resolutions. Talk to a girl in real life. Because I'm 37 and by myself and I, like, look up vacations. I'm like, I'm doing this again.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, another going solo.

[Nate]

I can't. I know.

[Kevin Clancy]

I hear you. But, man, the grass is always greener. Sometimes there are people out there who are like, I would just love to go on.

[Nate]

Can you solo trip 37.

[John Feitelberg]

Can you do me a favor, baby? Can you get. Can you.

[Nate]

Making content is going to go with finding a wife. Oh, he's famous.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm marrying that roast guy.

[Nate]

It's not going to be for my personality or looks like.

[John Feitelberg]

Isn't being, like, the Jeff Ross Ross of barstool. Like, wouldn't that be a humongous career move? Like, that's unbelievable.

[Nate]

You're right.

[John Feitelberg]

You can be there.

[Nate]

You're giving me way too much credit, too.

[John Feitelberg]

But I'm. I'm giving you the credit of, like, you'll be the roast guy at Barcelona Sports.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Jeff Ross is, like, you know, an.

[Nate]

Icon, but if Francis wanted to be, he could be. He just has, like, higher aspirations than bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know how many times I've told, like, everybody here, like, make. Make one minute manta videos. You can do it, too. And people just don't do it.

[Nate]

Do it 2026.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, it's 2026. But you're not gonna.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you actually were like, okay, cool.

[John Feitelberg]

I think you're gonna.

[Kevin Clancy]

Eric bet on it. All right.

[John Feitelberg]

I'll bet you.

[Nate]

I don't know my tick.

[Kevin Clancy]

Whatever.

[Nate]

I don't know. I was gonna say my Tick Tock. I don't know my Tick Tock name.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because I don't know my tick name is wild. No, not like, I can't log in. I forgot the password.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't even know am I on.

[Nate]

Tick tock at Eric Nathan Dog D.

[Kevin Clancy]

A W. So, okay, that's the other thing. You are the perfect candidate to do this. Francis could do it. Francis could do it because, like, that's his bag. And he has been a guy that, like, goes at people. But you are the dog. You are the spider monkey that has been embedded in you since day one. Where, like, it would, it would, I guess, like, thematically or whatever make sense.

[Nate]

Not to get meta. But I do think it's like, that's what you do when you're not funny enough to do other stuff. It's like, oh, he's the guy who makes fun of people.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you do it poorly, I agree. But, like, if you do it well, like Jeff, like, what Nikki has done, like, the people who roast well, it opens a lot of doors because people are like, they're good. They're better than the other people doing the roast.

[Nate]

I, I, no, I, I don't disagree anything. I do think at, in our situation, like, at bar, so it's like, oh, he can't make his own content, so.

[Kevin Clancy]

He'S just gonna, like, there will be that for sure. And, but, but I mean, and people said that about probably comments. What was it called? The power rankings. And I think I did comments of the week at one point. Like, there's always going to be some of that. But like.

[Nate]

On the other hand, someone has to fill that hole. Right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

But also, like, people will say, like, a handful of comments will say most people will enjoy and carry on their day.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like the, you know. Yes. Being like, wholly original and, you know, totally new and, and all that is like, of course that's the pinnacle of content comedy. But blogging is just like repurposing a story and taking a headline and a story and you put your commentary on. Like, that's what we've always done here.

[John Feitelberg]

I think also the very fact that Kevin and I were both nervous, that speaks to.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're good. Yeah. We knew you.

[John Feitelberg]

We were both like, ah, yeah. You probably know a lot about both of them.

[Nate]

I wasn't gonna cross.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I think you just talked about my family breaking up.

[John Feitelberg]

That's the only one.

[Nate]

And that's the only one that I was like, this is border.

[John Feitelberg]

That one was borderline, but borderline that one was.

[Nate]

I thought that was too good of a joke, but I. I did respect it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Borderline.

[John Feitelberg]

But to be fair, it was about public stuff.

[Nate]

I didn't feel.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Nate]

I didn't feel great about it, but I thought it made me laugh every time. Right.

[John Feitelberg]

Absolutely.

[Kevin Clancy]

Absolutely. I. I think if. If you were to, like. I think no matter who, minus, like, Dave, if you were to, like, kick in the door and walk into someone's podcast, I think people would be like, nate's. Nate's. Like, Nate's gonna smoke me.

[Nate]

I show up, like, now.

[Kevin Clancy]

Now I will say there are plenty of people here who will smoke you right back and might put you in a body bag, but what you deliver to that person would be funny. And, like, I do it to you guys. I. I wouldn't. I know. Then you're not the roast. Like, then, yeah, you got to be able to roast, like, everybody. You gotta be able to step in a room and make fun of Tom Brady or whoever. You know, that's.

[John Feitelberg]

I'm kind of thinking the one thing I would think, as someone who's been roasted just now, like, if you did it in a video, I'd feel weird about how to reply.

[Nate]

Like, you have to do the person's face.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Or at least. Or at least like, people.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, if I had to reply on social media, I don't know what I'd say. I think I'd probably just retweet it.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, like, then you look either. Like, no matter what you say, even if you're. You're being funny, it will be read as serious and, yeah, all that, it'll be very hard to be. And then also if you just co. Sign it and be like, this is really funny. I mean, it would be super weird.

[Nate]

If I did a video about, like, Mark Titus. I. I don't know him at all. Like, I have no history with him whatsoever. It would just. It wouldn't make sense.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that's a big part of being the roasting person is to be like, this is comedy. It's about jokes. It's not personal. I'll do it to. Anybody can catch this. You know, if you don't, I think.

[Nate]

I think 20, 25th award show is going to go crazy.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know? Why? When would that be? 29. 29.

[John Feitelberg]

But I think very large.

[Nate]

People will think everybody will be doing it, too, though. Like, everybody will come prepared. It worked at the 20th.

[John Feitelberg]

Unless someone makes themselves the roast guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Before that, I was going to say, I don't Think everybody will.

[Nate]

I think everybody will come prepared.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, you mean like, they will do their own roast at the. Oh, yeah.

[Nate]

I think it would be amazing.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, this. This. This fictional 25th. That's never gonna happen.

[John Feitelberg]

Never.

[Kevin Clancy]

You really think that?

[Nate]

Like, it's happening.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, what year that would be 2029. Am I correct?

[John Feitelberg]

I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

He started in 04.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, the 20th of war was only in 2024. Now, that was a couple.

[Nate]

No, it seems long.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, that's probably 2022.

[Kevin Clancy]

So maybe it was, like, from when the paper started. Because I know the.

[Nate]

It's definitely from when the paper started.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So then it would probably be, like, whatever. It's. It's a few years from now. I think it's happening. I think a few years from now, the idea of, like, getting everybody together is going to be one final hurrah. It might be that. It might be a final thing.

[John Feitelberg]

Pink slips on the way.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I.

[Nate]

Pretend to be like Danny Conrad.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not on the yak, I swear.

See, that was good. That was a quick little roast.

[Nate]

I didn't mean that as a roast. I meant that as a career saving idea. I think it's like men who dress up as women to save themselves on the Titan.

[John Feitelberg]

That was funny. I like that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Say that about somebody here.

[John Feitelberg]

That's good.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think there you'll also get. You'll put. You'll put some people in a pretzel. The people who hate barstool and, like, are laughing with you and being like, yeah, those guys. But then they're also.

[John Feitelberg]

That's what I meant about the Internet clips. Those will go.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, because people won't even know you're.

[John Feitelberg]

A bar still guy. They'll be like, this guy's awesome. Crushing barstool, bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

There are people right now, quote, tweeting Dave's video about you being like, oh, it's going big. You saw what happened with Pete Carroll and the Raiders. No. So they. They. There was like, 50 seconds left in the game. Clocks running out, and there's like this random penalty called, like a delay a game penalty. And that moves the ball up like a few yards. And then Pete Carroll kicks this meaningless field goal.

[Nate]

Just cover with one second left.

[Kevin Clancy]

It was like they were down 10. He kicked a field goal. Seven, whatever it was.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Ten to seven didn't cover eight and a half.

[Kevin Clancy]

And so Dave had the Broncos and he. So he's making a day video. He's like, pete Carroll needs to be killed. Put him in jail. And people are like, Dave Portnoy calling for the murder of someone. Like, remind him of this next time he says that. Like, my feelings are hurt from words, you know? And it's. I mean, it's. That's obviously so silly. But the point being that, like, people will. If you say something that makes fun of Dave, you will have a whole legion of the blue check brigade who loves it. And that'll be your audience, which, by.

[Nate]

The way, this video, it's. It's the main story on the Internet right now.

[Kevin Clancy]

Is it really that big?

[Nate]

People?

[John Feitelberg]

I mean, from what I just heard, that sounds. No, no, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's made this video totally normal.

[Nate]

He's made this video 300 times after losing it.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is illegal. Jail. Pete Carroll jail.

[Nate]

If I see him, I'm gonna hit.

[Kevin Clancy]

Him in the nose.

[Nate]

And Newsmax or not, like Newsweek, like, the. The news are reaching out for comment, and all the millionaires follower check marks are saying, like, dave can say this.

[John Feitelberg]

But not kill him. Kill him.

[Kevin Clancy]

I do.

[John Feitelberg]

Well, can you hear?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. It's like, if you. If you. If you read the transcript. Yes, he's calling for the murder of Pete Carroll.

[Pam]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

When you watch the video, it's like, this is just what Dave has done. And, I mean, maybe. Maybe your point is correct, that, like, on wake up, you can't do anymore if you're gonna be playing in that field.

[John Feitelberg]

I do.

[Nate]

Wake up, Barcelona. He said he does. We barstool is anti murder. He did clarify.

[Kevin Clancy]

Hang on. I'm in double speed here. How do I stop that time? That's the worst beat of all time. That is cheating.

[Pam]

What the.

[Kevin Clancy]

I got to rewind this. That's the worst beat of all time. This is the worst beat of all time. Should be in prison. Prison to beat Carol. First of all, the RS, everybody. This is prison. This is prison. There's 16 seconds left, by the way. The play before this, it was 20 seconds. They threw it.

[John Feitelberg]

Prison.

[Kevin Clancy]

Day and a half. They spiked the ball, by the way. They ran up and spiked them as a temple prison. Be careful.

[Nate]

There it is.

[John Feitelberg]

I think he was good until then. You throw in the murder.

[Nate]

How can you watch that and really.

[John Feitelberg]

Think he's calling for the murder, not you? Yeah, yeah. No, I don't think. But, like, once he went to murder, I went. I can see people getting that.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's like, you know, if I was like, I'm gonna kill you, Nate. And someone's like, KFC wants to murder.

[Nate]

Come on.

[Kevin Clancy]

The game is dead.

[Nate]

You, like, you can't do anything.

[Kevin Clancy]

The point stands that if you even make a. A somewhat of a salient point with a funny punchline, these people will use it. Also. Not the people.

Imagine if Nate becomes the hero of the anti.

[Nate]

Dave.

[John Feitelberg]

Not really what I want. Isn't that the perfect story?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, Dave has said it all the time about, like, Nadu and Rico. It's Batman, Joker. I always say it's like Peter Griffin and the chicken. But the real one is I was the original one. That's why. That's why this whole Persona fits.

[Nate]

Yeah, but you. I don't want to be Dave's number one enemy. That's not what I'm going for.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just want, bro. Maybe not number one, but you're, like, already top five, so you might as well have a career. We're good right now, I think. Yeah, you're good right now.

[Nate]

We are.

[Kevin Clancy]

So here was what I was gonna bring up earlier, because I was thinking about this. It. So I think we were a very successful company because people got thrown in the deep end and there was, like, real drama. I would say animosity at times, competition, all that sort of.

[Pam]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I think that's what separates us. Like, why. Why sometimes people, like, why isn't there, like, another bar stool? Or why isn't there, like, a competing company? And I. I. Because I don't think there are, like, crazy enough toxic, crazy people out there. You know, had we. And okay, so let me back up. This is also what I was thinking is that. That a lot of the times, if there's beef between two people or someone made a joke or whatever, the first time they would ever, like, talk or confront the issue was in a rap battle or.

[John Feitelberg]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Or like on barstool radio or like, you just get pulled in. Yeah. You're on camera, you're defending yourself, and now you actually hate that person, you know?

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Whereas if we just had fostered a more group friendly, like, team whatever vibe, it would be maybe less like we actually hate each other. And this is all just fun and games now. Maybe the company wouldn't be as successful because that drama wouldn't have unfolded the same way. All that sort of. But in. In, in. Now that we're talking about roasting, like, if we. If things were different here, would you be more or less comfortable to roast?

[Nate]

I'm comfortable with it in the right situation, obviously. Like, Yeah, I have no issue with it because, like.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I mean, maybe you're speaking only about Dave, but it sounds like there's always, like, some trepidation of, like, I don't want everyone to hate me, or is it specifically Dave or like you said. You said Mark Titus, like, stuff. If we worked at a company that was more like, I'm gonna make fun of you, Titus, but, like, we're boys, and it's all good, but there's really no. There's no contact. And everyone's New York, Chicago, and then all those things become, like, beef. If we had made an atmosphere that. That wasn't the case, would you. Would it be?

[Nate]

I just think times have changed. Like, eight years ago, power rankings, me and Smitty like, everybody at each other's throats. It's just not that way anymore, and there's no need to force that.

[John Feitelberg]

But I think the. Back then, there were stakes because Dave cared, like, about, you know, the blog and about how people were received and people working. Dave just does his own thing now. So, like. Like, I think people used to get so mad because it was like, what the. Dave's gonna see that? And, like, I'm gonna be in trouble. And, like. Yeah, I don't think people have. I don't think the stakes.

[Kevin Clancy]

But even beyond Dave, like, do you think, like, to go back to that Titus example, like, if you were to just roast Titus out of nowhere right now, it would be a thing. But that. I don't think that's.

[Nate]

I think it's just, like, kind of silly to do that. Like, it's just out of nowhere to do that.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I just don't think the idea is dead. Yeah. No, I just don't.

[Nate]

I don't think it would hit correctly. Like, it would just be, like, it's too forced.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, no, that's. That might be the case, too. If that's your opinion.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's your opinion. And then wait.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait for like, a five year. Yeah. And then. Then it makes sense.

[Nate]

It's like cicada.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just. Yeah.

[Nate]

Drop out of the trees.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Well, thank you, guys.

[John Feitelberg]

Thank you. That was excellent.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Well, we'll see you in five years.

[Nate]

Good luck with whatever, you guys.

[Kevin Clancy]

This will be. Yeah. This will be your last. This is your last KFC radio appearance, man. Been a pleasure. Thank you. Pleasure.

[John Feitelberg]

Thank you. Excellent.

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[John Feitelberg]

Now I'm asking, when did you guys set that up?

[Pam]

Yeah, I didn't know.

[Jackie]

Brought it up to me about four times last week.

[John Feitelberg]

No, that's great. I got that. I want him doing more of the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Initiative that like, I, I know he does it probably because A, he's like friends with us, which means B, he knows a lot about us.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But more importantly, like C, is that he, he like knows he can do it.

[John Feitelberg]

He's comfortable.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's kind of. I was not articulating it well, but I was like, if that was fostered a little bit more where it was like, yeah, come on in and roast me. I don't think there's many people at the company that would do that.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And if they did do it, it would be like very much under duress. Like, oh yeah, I totally don't care. On the inside. They'd be like, I, I think I.

[John Feitelberg]

I really believe that people only care because they see comments and stuff. Like I, I, yeah, but so funny.

[Kevin Clancy]

Even that. That's kind of what I mean about the whole.

[John Feitelberg]

I think, I think what will happen is they're either scared comments will start repeating those jokes or they'll scare that comments will keep going. Ah, Nate killed you. Nate killed.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[John Feitelberg]

That's just my guess. I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what I mean. That's a hundred percent it.

[John Feitelberg]

So like, just stop looking at that.

[Kevin Clancy]

People are so afraid to, to take an L or be the butt of the joke or whatever that.

I, I don't think it's like they would take it personally. I think it's like other people are going to take.

[John Feitelberg]

People get like conspiratorial about it too. They'd be like, he only said that because that person said that about me. Like, I don't. First of all, you might be right. I don't know where he gets his jokes from. But like, yeah, I want him to keep doing because I think it's funny.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think in a weird way, it's like the most thin skinned people on the Internet are here.

[John Feitelberg]

You know what I mean? People said that at barstool. Like, yeah, like from Dave, everybody's like, like, gotta have thick skin here. I don't think anyone here is thick skin.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

I think everyone's got the thinnest skin imaginable.

[Kevin Clancy]

They. They are.

That, that's not totally true. I think like, the thinnest of skin are people who like, just disappear altogether. Like, barstool has the.

[John Feitelberg]

I see. I, I think the thinnest skinned people are people constantly reading, thinking that they're gonna flip the. Flip the switch, flip the opinion constantly. They think this, they think this, they think this. I'm gonna trick them. I'm gonna like now trick them. I'm gonna convince him I'm cool. I'm gonna convince him I'm good.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, I think those people are thin skinned where it's like, let them think what they think. Who gives a. Like, like, what is it? Let them. Yeah, there's a phrase.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let them.

[John Feitelberg]

Let them.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let them do it. Yeah. But I also think that we're. You're saying that from a position. We're saying that from a position of, like, successful enough where we know we'll be all right. You know, I, I think there are. If you are like at a point where you're big enough that people know who you are and can even get roasted, but you are not like, established yet, if a narrative starts and if people start to think something about you, it can negatively affect you.

[John Feitelberg]

Sure. But I think that is the same way that people refer to all addictions that like, if you're not creative enough, like with alcohol or drugs, like, you need that, you need that to help you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right, Right.

[John Feitelberg]

You have to have that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

And the reality is you probably don't.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, okay. But let me play devil's advocate on maybe you don't need it, but it would, it would be a lot easier if there wasn't like a narrative about you.

[John Feitelberg]

Sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

Negative narrative about you that's like everyone's hitting.

[John Feitelberg]

But would you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I only say this from a great deal of personal experience. Like there are times where I used to be. I still am, but I, I almost regret being self deprecating a lot. I think I used to make a lot of jokes about myself that then people like, believed and parroted. And in the very big picture, I'm like, ah, if those people liked me more Respected me more, thought differently of me, I would be maybe more successful, you know, maybe.

[John Feitelberg]

But, like, would you say any of the times that you tried? Because I like having that knowledge of what people are saying about you. The only reason, the only thing it's good for is to get them to say things you want them to say.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right? Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

So would you say there's ever been.

[Kevin Clancy]

A time that I effectively, like, let me, I'm gonna do something so that they say good things about me and it worked? Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

No, no, no. Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, like, I think changing narratives are, are really hard, and that might be why people are like, I don't want a narrative to start.

[John Feitelberg]

Right. But I think I, I, I think all, I'm just thinking back to my own career. Like, any narrative I didn't want, I only had to fuel the fire by getting mad about it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the ultimate is when the reason narratives start and people.

And people, like, will hammer you on a narrative is when they know, they can sense that it's working.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, like, if you were to say some about me and I'm, and I'm like, melting down, that's a guaranteed way for the Internet to say it a lot more if you say something about it.

[John Feitelberg]

Narratives.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

There's nothing they know is right.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I, I.

[John Feitelberg]

Would, I, I would just say, like, I found in my career that it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Helped a lot to not, to not.

[John Feitelberg]

Be around it, just be off and, and everyone's doing different things. Like, for what I want to do with my career, like, maybe it helps being off, but like, if I wanted to be argumentative and, and like, that, like, I'd have to do that kind of thing.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like, I would say ultimately.

The place you're at is like the goal to get to where you don't care. You don't look at it. Not that you don't care, but you don't look at it.

[John Feitelberg]

I would say I care more than anyone here, but so you take steps to not. I want influence. Like, I want things to be like, Right, right, right. I, I think that it hurts.

My path to the goal when I'm constantly getting correct. It's micromanaging versus, like, macro managing. Like, I don't need an update every time.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feitelberg]

Just at the end of the day.

[Kevin Clancy]

Did I get there? It's like a stock market, you know, ups and downs, but as long as you're going up. But I, I think that is like, nirvana. I think that's like achieving the top of, like, Your mental. The mentality you need to have on the Internet is, like, what you've achieved.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think very few people can get there there for multiple reasons. Number one, it's, like, just literally hard mentally and emotionally to get there. Number two, it's hard to have enough longevity. We talked about this last episode where you're like, once, you know, all right, I'm gonna be here tomorrow and the next day and the next year, and I don't wanna take it for granted. Like, I'm always gonna have a career, always be fine. But I know that I have enough in front of me that something going bad or a comment or whatever is not gonna hurt me, you know? But if you don't have that mentality yet and you don't necessarily have that security, it's. It's just hard to reach that level. So then. Then you think, if I can't get to that where John's at, I just don't want this to happen at all.

[John Feitelberg]

Trust me. By no means am I saying, like, it's easy or anything like that, but, like, I just think it is the smartest way to go. And everyone has their own path that they think is, like, do it the way I do it. I'm. I'm smart, you're dumb. Do my way. But, like, I don't. I don't know what the answer is. I just know, like, it's been effective for me.

[Pam]

I think it's just, like, also a journey that, like, everyone needs to find the. Like, it's almost like. Like, when you tell your friend, like, not to go for the toxic guy. It's like, no matter how many times you say it, she's gonna text him.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Pam]

Late at night. But it's like, she has to figure it out for herself.

[Kevin Clancy]

Gotta let the kids make this, you know, touch the oven. Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I will say, though, with having a flood of positivity for, you know, not. I won't say the first time, but it's few and far between for us where it's like, there's a big event or something happens where people give you love.

It impacted me a lot in a positive way. And so I was thinking, like, this is an extreme where I don't think regular people are just getting constantly showered with love. That's the other opposite end of the spectrum. But.

It did make me think, like, this made me feel so much better, that if there wasn't a lot of negativity, man, I'd be, like, so much happier. So if I.

[Pam]

If.

[Kevin Clancy]

And everyone Gets hate on the Internet. But if you are, I've always thought on the Internet, for either reasons for like your own fault or reasons out of your control, you fall into the haves or the have nots. And sometimes it's because you're an and you did something wrong. Sometimes it's just like, I don't know, people don't like the way your face looks, you know, and. But it's. If you're in that boat where like, you're generally well received and supported publicly, you know, vocally, it's got to be pretty sweet because it's. It. It. You know, even just like a week of it, I was like, wow.

[John Feitelberg]

Oh man. My.

[Kevin Clancy]

This was. Every day I'd be president, you know.

[John Feitelberg]

From when I like stopped looking, which at this point, by three, four years ago. My. What I. What I. What I see with my own eyes hasn't changed at all. On average, two people a day say, what's up? Fights. Big fan. I go, yo, thanks, man.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, okay.

[John Feitelberg]

That's been like that my entire career, right? For 15 years, it's been two or three people a day go, yo, fights. Big fan. Maybe some, we'll give it up to five some depending on the day. But on average about three to five people say something. And that's what it's been for 15 years. But it. Until I stopped looking at everything online, I never even realized them. I never realized, like the four people.

[Kevin Clancy]

Overshadowed in real life who were like.

[John Feitelberg]

Yo, dude, big fan.

[Kevin Clancy]

Which is, by the way, like something that like point one percent of the humans who have ever lived experience. Everyone else goes outside, they're totally anonymous. And no one would say hello.

[John Feitelberg]

And I never even factored in that like, people were saying they liked me because like all I. In my head, I honestly don't know what the people would say the general vibe about me was. But in my head, I was despised. Everyone fucking hated me. And. But four people a day in the street would say hi.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

And now I have no idea that anyone hates me before people in the street say hi a day. And I'm like, fuck it. Nice to me.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I think that there's. I think I've noticed it with us people from our gener, like our age, basically. I've said this before. We really are like the first people to go through this.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Ever in the world. Right. On this scale. And I think we have reached a point of like, there's levels to. You read everything and you are totally impacted by it. Then you lie and tell everyone you don't read everything, then you actually reach a point where you don't read it, but you're still, like, aware and impacted. And then the top level is like, this doesn't affect me. Or, you know, affects me little.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You can't ever say it totally.

[John Feitelberg]

No, no, but, like, that.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's. And I think that because we're the first people to go through it, I'm hoping that, like, the rest of the Internet, both, like, people who do it professionally and people who just are on the Internet get to that point. Maybe that's asking a lot, but I think, like, as a society, we would reach. If we could reach a level of. Of we use the Internet. We post it to, like, I. I want to be hot, I want to be cool, I want to be funny. But whatever people are saying, don't, like, totally define who you are and impact your behavior. You know what I mean? We've gotten there. I think the regular people are trailing behind us next, you know, we had to do. We went through the fire.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And now maybe they'll pick up that, like, mindset, because, man, wouldn't that just be a better place where it's like, you can't be like, get off the Internet. That's not gonna happen. But just use the Internet and don't let it completely.

[John Feitelberg]

It's a tool, not your life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. Dude.

[John Feitelberg]

There's a scene in the Good Place, that show Ted Danson and Chris and Bell. I think it's like season three, maybe season two, where Jamila Jamel, I think, is her name. She has to walk through a hallway that is. It's like a hotel hallway. And if she gets to the end, she gets to heaven. She gets to go to the Good Place, but in her walk there, she has to walk by rooms, and in the rooms, it'll say the people that are in the room and they're talking about her.

[Pam]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And.

[John Feitelberg]

And I remember watching that scene going, like, who gives a.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just walk to him.

[John Feitelberg]

What are you talking about? She doesn't get there. She gets, like, a room that her parents are in, and she, like, opens the door and, like, goes into there because she has to hear what her parents are saying about him. Like, I remember watching. I'd be like, who the gives a. Yeah. Why do you have to hear what anyone thinks about you? And it's basically mentions, comments, all that stuff.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think I'm. I'm almost at a point where not only would I.

Absolutely walk right through to go to heaven, I think I, like, walk through if there was a sandwich at the end, I think I would. I think I would. You could tell me there's nothing over there. And I go, but I'm still not going in these rooms.

[John Feitelberg]

There's a bunch of people talking about it. Yeah. The elevator base at the end of the hallway. Perfect. See on the ground floor?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. You could even put something like a punishment at the end. Like, it's still not. When you get to the end of that, you're gonna step on a rake and it's gonna hit you in the face. I'll do that.

[John Feitelberg]

I honestly thought that that scene. I like the show. Up until then, I probably didn't watch afterwards. I thought that scene was so dumb, but that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was like, everyone that would walk.

[John Feitelberg]

Everyone would just walk through that. And then in the years that have passed since that, I'm going, no, they wouldn't. I don't think people would walk through that. Yeah, people would check into every room.

[Kevin Clancy]

Every room. Like, you can't open one door. Okay, I'm Gonna open all 12 of them. Where are you at? I feel like your. Your summer was tough with feedback and comments and the reality show and all that in general. Where you at?

[Pam]

I. I actually think, like, I now.

Figured out how to, like, it obviously still affects me a little bit, and I really don't read, like, as much anymore. I almost think, like, I. I figured out how to use it. Like, now when I see something, I almost feel like, confidence sometimes comes from when you. Somebody says something bad about you and you could say, no, I don't actually believe that and reject it.

[Kevin Clancy]

That is the pinnacle.

[Pam]

And now I see, like, I used to, like, really think I was ugly, and now I see somebody say I'm ugly. I'm like, no, I'm not, though. Like, I know that I'm not. And then I can feel like. And then every time I see that and I think, like, that I have that thought. Like, no, I'm not. Then I'm just like, okay, confidence built a little bit more. And now I almost feel like I look at it as a tool. Like, I think also when somebody says something mean, I understand more. It's a projection of. It's like, sounds dumb, but it really is.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's all corny, dumb, and cliche, but it's all true.

[John Feitelberg]

I know a cliche one. I saw the other day that. That was like, that is me. And that is accurate. It was, like, it said, like, something along the lines of, like, just so you know, if you flip your general mood to generally amused rather than generally annoyed, you pretty much enter God mode. And like, everything is like, like, rather than like, you can laugh like a.

[Kevin Clancy]

Idiot, you know, if, if, like, like what a shitty existence. That, that if Nate came in here and said those things and it like, really ruined our day rather than just being like, that was funny.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And really meaning it because like I said, there's that phase in the middle where you say that doesn't bother you, but you're lying.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

To yourself. You're lying to the public. So when you really reach that level of like, that was funny. That's why I. Yeah, I was gonna say. I mean, sometimes comics, we've. I. I've gotten into that world a little bit. They're like thin skinned, but in general, they're like thin immersed in that world. So it's like, yeah, we bust balls and then we're friends afterwards and all that sort of. And it's almost like immersion therapy. You have to like, go through it to be okay with it in the end. But man, even if you weren't like.

[Pam]

Sucks God mode to be like, recognize appreciating everything for the human experience of itself. Like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yep. I do that a lot too, because I have no other choice. But sometimes I'm like, yeah, I've lived through all of this stuff even.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

It's cool that like, we did live through it. It's cool. And I, I mean, like, not that we lived there, anything specific, but I mean, we in the royal. It's cool that we've all lived through it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Whatever. Everyone will have. At the end of the day, you know, maybe it's not worthy of a book or a movie, but you. Everyone will go through something where they're like, that sucked. But, like, I can tell that tale or I learned from it or molded who I am or whatever.

[John Feitelberg]

Hard for me to die.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Good to know. Get back up.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I mean, the, the like entire world just boils down to confidence.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And confidence comes from that being able to let, like, let it in and it doesn't affect you.

[John Feitelberg]

I think confidence comes from failing and realizing you don't die.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. Because like, if you, if you. All of this that we're talking about, I think applies to like everybody's life. But in our world, like, professionally speaking, if you were like, burst on the scene and everybody loved you and it was always good, I. I don't know if you could really say, like, you're gonna have the longevity or like, you're gonna.

[John Feitelberg]

We kind of did that. Bro, that is something that I feel like we don't really think about a lot. I was saying this to maybe Pav's no one. I might have been saying this to Burt. Like our introduction to the entertainment world is insane. Like our, our first live shows ever. We sold out the Wilbur two nights in a row.

[Kevin Clancy]

Dude, that is true.

[John Feitelberg]

I mean that's a back to back shows in one night. Yeah, that like our, our, our idea of putting tickets on sale is you sell 3,000 immediately. That's not, it's not even close. That's not how it works at all. So like we kind of had that.

[Kevin Clancy]

We.

[John Feitelberg]

I, I, I felt it for sure just like throughout my career of like I'm only a moderate success or, or not even like, but I started as a huge. So I'm a failure. And that's not the case. It's just. Yeah, you, you had a different intro now you have a different middle ground now you have a different later ground. Like everything's just your own thing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Thing. And I always think often about like other if I thought about like an actor singer or something and it's like oh yeah, like their first album went like 10 times platinum and then, then they kind of dipped down. Then they did a movie and that was cool. And then they disappeared for a little bit and then a TV show and it's like you would never be like that just looks like a normal career. You know what I mean? And but for myself I'm like, unless it's just up, up, up, up, better, better, better than last.

[Unidentified Guest]

Right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. For real. And like the same thing with life even in, in general. Like I, I, I think, I think it's human nature to.

Assume that things are going to get better. Maybe, maybe not, maybe not. But I'm thinking like if you have a job, people usually expect a raise. They expect a bonus. They expect to progress, you know. And for the most part I'm sure there are people who are like really, you know, life's beating them down and they don't think that way. But like a general person, average person in our like demo, in our world probably thinks that way. And like, I don't know, I look at like my dad like got laid off at like the peak of his career. Came out of nowhere and knocked him on his ass and then he got back up and, and got back to the top. And like that happens. Like that's probably gonna happen to everybody, you know, and, and you don't think it's gonna, and then, but when you, when it does and you bounce back is. I think when you're like. It really is that experience that makes you, like, better and smarter and more.

You know, able. Because it's like, I went through that. Whereas if you just. It was all good all the time, it's like you don't even know if you can. Can get back up. You might be a person who gets knocked on your ass and you're done.

[John Feitelberg]

And you see it every day. And smaller things like. Like. Like, I'm worried about it with the Patriots right now. The path's been too easy. They need to get punched in the face once. Like, I'm dead serious. Like. Like, if everything's good all the time, like, you're like, I don't know if they're playoff ready yet.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. It's like, unless. Unless you can guarantee no adversity ever.

[John Feitelberg]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

You better go through it a little bit.

[John Feitelberg]

Well, that. I was, like, hoping Borrow would come back for that Bengals game. But, like, you need the tests. They all have to happen. Otherwise, you're not ready for the ultimate one.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. It's almost like when.

What was it? It was.

Somebody was, like, going for an undefeated season. They lost.

I guess maybe it was the opposite. I don't know. Yeah. Sometimes I thought you were slow playing.

[John Feitelberg]

Me on a Patriots.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, no, I think I reversed it. It was when the Giants beat the Colts at the end of the year, it was that, I think also the year they won the super bowl. And it was so. It was almost like they needed, like, a stupid point. But I. I think, yeah, that. That adversity is where you'll. You can't, like, force adversity in a weird way.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what I mean? Like. Like, people are talking about how. How Travis Kelsey said her and Taylor Swift never fought. And so then there's kind of this discourse online about, like, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think there's a bunch of people in toxic relationships who fight all the time who are telling you you have to fight. If you don't fight, you'll. There is some. Some truth to that.

[John Feitelberg]

But in all of my good relationships, I would say generally, we never fought. Not we never fought, but, like, if you were asked me about my relationship, you'd be like, you guys fight a lot, but not really that.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's also a semantics game. Like, what does fight mean? Yeah, if you're like, we've never had a difference of opinion. I've never disappointed the person.

[John Feitelberg]

My standard for fight is pretty high, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, you haven't Even, like, smashed a wine bottle and poked it at me.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, we have f. You didn't run away from a stabbing. Like, no, that's not fun. That's the only way you fight.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, but for real, I mean, in general relationships, fighting is a funny term. There are things that occur in a relationship, or at least again, my world, where I'm like, if someone else said this to me, if a, if a colleague said that to me, I, you and I would be done professionally. If a stranger on the street said that to me, I would, like, I would punch you in the face. If, if this was a friend of mine, I would never talk to you again. But you're involved in a romantic relationship, so you're like, well, I just got to put up with those things. That, to me, is bonkers. But also. So I do think there's some, some merit to, like, you should go through a test with the person you're dating or maybe even a professional partner or something like that. But you can't fake that. If you're not fighting. What do you want me to do? Just be like, john, I hate you. You know, you're dressed, and I hate the Patriots.

[Pam]

Let's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let's fight.

[John Feitelberg]

It's like, would you say we've ever fought in our list relationship?

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I don't think so.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't think so either. I don't fight with most people. Fighting's weird.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, like, I, I, that's what I mean. I totally agree. Like, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, maybe, maybe this is like, I'm a pushover, and maybe things would be better for me if I didn't do this. But, like, what, what's the phrase? What do they say? Conflict, avoidant or something like that? Yeah, yeah, whatever. That I'm that, like, I, I'm not even avoidant. I wouldn't say.

[John Feitelberg]

I would just be like, why are we fighting? This is stupid. Like, want to just talk.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I, I find it to be an extreme waste of time and energy. But the only thing I will say is that I'm also the k. Like, I'll let that slide. I'll let that slide. I'll let that slide. And now it's too big of a problem fix.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So it's probably better to address the little things, but, man, like, life, Especially if, again, if you're talking about relationships and marriage, you're living with somebody, like, every day. If you pick out all these little things, can be every day for the rest of your life. You know, it's like, I Think it's very lucky to find someone where you truly just click on all levels. But even. But if you don't, you should try to click on all levels and not the opposite of like, yeah, we'll just fight all the fights.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Such a bunch of energy suck, you know, but even this, I. I feel like most people prefet like a duo, radio, podcasting bands, all that, like, people usually do end up fighting.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

The exception.

[John Feitelberg]

What was the. The monkey movie. The Robbie Williams one in.

[Kevin Clancy]

In the. That movie is called the Robbie Williams Monkey Movie.

[John Feitelberg]

Dude, I enjoyed that movie. I had fun. I watched on the plane. Which kind of doesn't really count, but. But there's a scene where like, they're becoming a boy band and they're like, mate, in 10 years we're all going to hate each other. Yeah, yeah, but we're all going to be rich. I don't know why. I had a Southern G.

[Kevin Clancy]

That. That's. That's very true. Like, I think that's almost a healthy way to do it. Yeah, it's like we're going to crash and burn going along the like. But. But it's going to be worth it. You know, there's also some relationships like that. It's like, well, yeah, we are not getting married. We are like, like till death do us part.

[John Feitelberg]

It's probably gonna be death member, but.

[Kevin Clancy]

Man, in the interim, it's gonna be a ride.

So. Yeah. Anyway, I mean, and the confidence thing to me is also so I feel like I.

Could and would do so much more content and probably so much better content if I was confident enough to like, really say certain things.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, you wanna know how you get confident enough to say certain things?

[Kevin Clancy]

Just say it.

[John Feitelberg]

No, you just don't look at what the people say.

[Kevin Clancy]

Back to it. I agree with. Well, no, this is actually more internal. This is. I see so many people on the Internet now.

Purporting to be experts on every issue. And I'm like, you don't know what the you're talking about. Right. And so it makes me be like, well, you don't know what the you're talking about either. So I, I find. I often find I'm throwing out a lot of disclaimers and caveats of like now in my. I would say I think it looks like this. Like that sort of rather than just huh. It is fair. And I think that's.

[John Feitelberg]

Everyone's welcome to talk about anything if you go, look, my opinion is blank.

[Kevin Clancy]

Correct. But I also think in terms. And so I like that I'm like, that way. I think we all should be that way. But in terms of, like, professional success and, like, views and becoming, like a person in a field, I think it's better to be like, boom. Say your opinion.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, like, all the throat clearing and disclaimers kind of mitigates your position because you're not saying it with confidence. You know, you're inherently saying, like, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tell you this thing. I don't know for sure. And, like, I think the. The viewers can, like, perceive that, you know, and so I think it's sometimes it's better to be.

[Pam]

Or.

[Kevin Clancy]

Or, you know, what I think is better is to identify. Like, I can absolutely and should absolutely speak with confidence when it comes to making Internet content.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I'm still like, well, in my career, in my path, I did it this way. It's like. So I don't think you should be saying it about politics and sex and marriage and all these things, you know, but the things you do know, you should, like, be confident. There's also identify that and be confident.

[John Feitelberg]

So much of what you do is, like. Like talking about general topics about which I think people agree. I think 80% of people agree on basically everything. Like, every topic. 80% of us agree on one topic of it. I almost feel like that's true.

[Kevin Clancy]

True.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, even, like. Like, I don't think it's that high.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I think there's a lot of.

[John Feitelberg]

People maybe give me 70, but, like. Like, I'm thinking of like, the. The hot topics, like gay rights, gun control, all that stuff. Like, all that stuff is pretty generally. 70 of people agree in one way.

[Kevin Clancy]

You think? So I was gonna say the opposite. I think. I think that, like, some of the silly stuff people might agree on, but it's the big stuff where I think it's like 50, 50.

[John Feitelberg]

You, like, you know, someone have to check the. The stuff I've looked at like. Like, like the consensus is like, 70 people do think gun control is probably helpful. 70 of people do think that, like, women should have rights.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Okay. That. Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And so it's more like a vocal.

[John Feitelberg]

Minority becomes a 50, 50 thing. And when it. When it's set to politics, but, like, generally people agree, like, with common sense stuff. And I think most of your stuff is like. Like, most of the takes you're giving are like, this is common sense. Right? Yeah. So I almost think instead of starting it with, I don't know what I'm talking about. Give your opinion and then afterwards you'd be like, like, I don't know what.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm talking about, but. Right, yeah, like, that's obvious. Right. But you'd be surprised. Like, the, the main positive feedback I get is a lot of like, thank yous. People being like, thank you for saying kind of like what we're all thinking. And that seems easy to me. I'm like, yo, no problem. But I think there's like a lack of that. I think it's all so polarized and so hot takey and people being contrarian that like, like, I think sometimes the, it's, I think that's what happens with politics. There's so far right and so far left and so many people are in the middle, but they're not represented in the, the shows and the talking heads and all that sort of. Yeah, it's like the common sense take. Opinion gets like, lost, which. And so I'm like, I'm, I tell people all the time. I'm like, I'm happy to say the easy. Yeah, I'll say that. Like, yeah, like, Charlie Kirk says some bad things, but I don't think you should get his head blown off in public. Public insurance is tough, but I don't think you should murder a father of two. I think those are normal things.

[John Feitelberg]

I think that's like an angle being like the guy, the common sense guy. Yeah. Look, we all agree, but this is bad. Right? And almost like if you, I feel like adding the rights, like, right. I'm not crazy. Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

That makes me agree with me.

[John Feitelberg]

Right. Makes people go, he's not crazy. Yeah, he's not crazy. I'm with this guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right?

[John Feitelberg]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I mean, I, I bet I, I do that. I think I just need to like, like formalize it with the name or a hook or something like that. Because that's really, at the end of the day, and that's all I've like, ever done. I, I, what about, what about you? I feel like when I started writing.

I.

Pretty quickly got pretty confident. My opinion is the, like the Everyman, like, for the most part, what you just described. Yeah, like, I, I very rarely would like, have a take on sports or something, whatever it is, and be like, like, I'm on an island here. No one's gonna agree with me, you know? And then once, once you get the confidence, I go back to the confidence. There was a point where I was blogging where I was like, my gut is really right. Like, a lot of times people love it and they agree with it and there's of course there's some discussion, but, like, for the most part, I know that my first thought is usually gonna resonate with people. Yeah.

So. And then it becomes easier to be like, yeah, I'll give you my opinion on that.

[John Feitelberg]

That's funny you say that, because I was thinking the other day of.

Dan's gonna come on the show. Dan's gonna do an episode. Goodbye, KFC radio. And I was thinking of, like, questions for all of us. And I. One of them was gonna be like, what? You would just say, Like, I don't know if you felt this. Like, I felt my opinions were right.

[Kevin Clancy]

Whatever.

[John Feitelberg]

I never felt that because I didn't feel like I gave many opinions. But I did feel like when I wrote funny stories about my life, people cared. And I bet Dan's is when I talk sports. People cared. And then we all waited 10 years to go after our. Our niches.

[Kevin Clancy]

I know. That's. That's another thing. When you find it go. You know, like, even you were telling me some guy you worked with the other day was talking about what's next for us, and he was. And you said your guy Nate was like, he's gonna do the news stuff. Right? It's like, it's right in front of your face. Like, just do that. But sometimes it's easier said than done because. And I think that's how we end up in this copycat world where every song is the same and everyone's dressing the same and every movie looks the same. Because rather than being like, all right, this is the thing that I've done that is working. I'm gonna go do more of that. You're like, well, that guy went platinum because it sounds like this. And that person got a million followers because they did that. And you can try to copy that. It's probably a quicker. If you can successfully copy someone, you'll probably get there quicker, but it's fake and phony, and it's a house of cards that'll fall. Whereas, like, if you do your thing and do it the right way, it'll take longer, but in a few years, you'll be totally able to stand on your own, too, without any. Any other influence.

[John Feitelberg]

Dude, we were talking about this the other day out there. I think the only thing in my, like, career that people that I noticed that I did that I cared about and I had fun making it and people really liked it was a sketch I did in Milton. And, like, which one it. When the. The car crashing into the building.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, the investigative reporter.

[John Feitelberg]

It was the only thing I ever liked.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

And the only people. Actually, more than that. That was the only people like that I did did.

[Kevin Clancy]

It was so unique, too. Like, Barcelona, done anything like that.

[John Feitelberg]

And then I just never did it again. Never did it again until out of order. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's funny. It's like. And then. Then you resumed it. It was awesome. No kidding. That's kind of what I go back to, though. I mean, I've been crying about this forever at Barcelona. I should just shut the up about it. But it's like, I. I wish we were a company where someone said, yo, that worked, and look how many people are excited about it. And I thought that was great. You should go do more of that. That instead it was kind of like, just go do it or don't do it. I don't know. I got to do my.

[John Feitelberg]

You know, Which I agree with. So I've thought sometimes, like, oh, it would have been nice to have someone going like, this is working. Try there. But I. I think you got to find it on your own. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what I mean. So maybe that's why I'm like, shut up. Because this is. Obviously, it's been successful for a reason, so it's got to go this way. I just always thought we could maybe incorporate a little bit more and probably still find that same level of success. But you're right. Like, everyone in this world is, like, so very selfish.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And unless you have, like, a producer or somebody that really cares about, like, that they're not thinking about it. You have to recognize it yourself. And, like, it's hard.

[John Feitelberg]

It takes time to recognize things yourself. And that's why I think probably everyone will probably.

[Kevin Clancy]

It takes 10 years.

[John Feitelberg]

You do better once you're in your 30s.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

And that's to every career. That's to everything in the whole world. But certainly applies here as well.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think it got a little, like, oversimplified and kind of became cliche with the Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours.

[John Feitelberg]

I also think.

[Kevin Clancy]

But there's truth to that.

[John Feitelberg]

Oh, I think it gets oversimplified here. Like, I. I think you. You what you were just talking about, like, you know, someone telling you, go that angle, go that lane, go this. I think that gets oversimplified here where, like, one person has a successful thing. One Minute man, for instance, Jack Mac. And like, for two years, all we were told, it's just like, do tick tocks. Do tick tocks. It's like, okay, that's not the best.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that's not good either.

[Nate]

Yeah, that's not.

[John Feitelberg]

That's not helpful either. Just going do.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, but what it should be more is like, Like, I think what you're talking about is telling other people this worked. You should do it too, as opposed to telling that person where it worked for, like, go after that.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Dig into that more.

[John Feitelberg]

But I also think everything doesn't need to be gone after. Like, I don't think for two years, the company. Maybe even longer. Maybe three years. I don't think three years. Every meeting the company needs to be told, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. Obviously, if it's working for you, do it. But like the.

I remember talking to the interns like two years ago, and I think the only advice I had was like, tread. Learn how to tread water.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Like around. Learn how to tread water. And then when a wave that you see that you'll. Oh, I know how to ride that wave. Get on that one. Don't get on every single wave.

[Kevin Clancy]

I bet you there's a killer analogy for Internet content, life and surfing.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Where it's like, you know, you first. First of all, you got to learn. And it's an exceedingly. It really kind of works. I, at least I think I look at surfing and I'm like, I would love to do that. There's a lot of people who think, like, want to do that. I could do that. Then you get out there and it's hard as. And it takes a long time to get good at it. But then even once you're good at it, you're kind of at the mercy of the ocean. If the wave is big, it's small. If it goes right, whatever. And it's really just about being out there and being prepared for when that wave does come. That's kind of like. It's like, kind of. I think what's going to happen with you guys is like, you did sketches and then you did a TV show and then like, you got to keep going. And I think at some point there will be a break of like a streaming service or a director or somebody will just be like, yeah, yeah. You know, and you can't force that, but you can't, can't force it. But you also can't, like, stop or.

[John Feitelberg]

We just make fun sketches in New York and that's our jobs too. And that's awesome.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah. I was thinking, obviously the goals are much, much higher, but, like, it's a. For me, it, like, it is a reach for the moon, landlocks.

[Kevin Clancy]

For star situation.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't know. Do it. Another mascot's cool too.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I think being on the Internet and having everybody connected, it's so much easier to just look at, like, more and more, like, why? Why can't I get to that level? Or like, oh, there is another level I didn't even know about. Because you're seeing them all the time.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

If that wasn't around and you just achieved like this level of success with this show, you'd be like, all right, I'm good. Because you're just not constantly seeing, like, well, this guy did more and this girl did more. You know, I also was thinking about.

[John Feitelberg]

That'S 100 true, by the way.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I mean, and these are all cliches. I feel like I'm such a cliche machine, especially at the end of the show.

[John Feitelberg]

Cardigan gotta be.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it's just like, you know. Yeah. You can't force it and. But I. I was also thinking about how everything is such shitty, like, quality now. Just like products and cars and materials.

[John Feitelberg]

Can I say something about shitty quality more? So what's bothering about shitty quality is how everyone wants an extra five bucks from me. It's really bothering me.

[Kevin Clancy]

Say more. Say more.

[John Feitelberg]

Everything I fucking do is. They want five more dollars.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like just inflation, like, prices going higher. No, no, no.

[John Feitelberg]

Like everything. Once you're done, you're almost done. You're almost at the checkout.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then there's a fee or a charge.

[John Feitelberg]

No. Like, even on Amazon today, I ordered new multivitamins. Before I can finally proceed to check out, it's got a little pop up for Whole Foods. Oh, yeah, you want a couple bananas? You want a couple bundled this? You want to throw a couple of this in there? No, I fucking don't. I want my multivit. And then there. When you order on Seamless, extra four bucks will move you to front of the line priority. No, you won't, you liars. That's not real. Everyone's trying to get an extra four or five bucks out of me. And it pisses me because I don't. I'm not a guy who, like. I don't. I don't penny pinch. I don't really, like, check the bill and go over things, but like everything I do now, they want five more dollars from me. And it's starting to really weigh on me.

[Kevin Clancy]

I've been thinking about. Do you believe in the door dash 399Express?

[John Feitelberg]

No. That's what I'm saying. No, of course not. Well, because I Do it every time. Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I don't think it makes a difference, but I'm gonna do it every time. Because if it.

[John Feitelberg]

This would mean you're letting Rob you for five bucks.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, it doesn't do anything, but if it got. If it does get to me. Seven minutes.

[John Feitelberg]

Uber's another one. Uber's another one. You want the fast car?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, no, they're the same.

[John Feitelberg]

I want the clothes. Give me a car. Yeah, it's like, for an extra 8.99, you don't have to wait in the two minutes. I'm like, I just got a car. Just send the car I got.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. It's a whole world of like. Like more. Like, more for less. Like, that's like.

[John Feitelberg]

And. Yeah. And I feel like I'm. I'm not. I don't feel like even at the base level, I'm paying. I don't think you're trying. I don't think you're taking care of me. I don't think you give a. About me as a client and.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I think people used to. Oh, good. Maybe.

[John Feitelberg]

Maybe we are truly old men complaining. People used to care about taking care of patrons. But here's the matter.

[Nate]

It's for sure.

[John Feitelberg]

I. I realized the other day I had a cleaning lady called come and. And clean the apartment. And then before she left, she goes, do you want to sign up for the reg for the monthly charge? And we'll come every month unless you tell us not to. And I was like, no, exactly. What you're saying is, like, there used to be a time when people tried to impress their clients, and then they just hoped you call them back because they did a good job. They didn't try and take ten $12 or $200 from you in perpetuity for the rest of your life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Life.

[John Feitelberg]

Until you cancel this credit card from one time they used to do. They did a good job and they went.

[Kevin Clancy]

I worked hard.

[John Feitelberg]

So they're gonna call me back and I'm gonna try again. We are so goddamn old. But I don't care. But everything wasn't a service. Everything didn't immediately have to become a monthly.

[Kevin Clancy]

And everything is like your. You are dollars. That to me.

[John Feitelberg]

You know what I mean?

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, you are just a. I think. I think that's an Internet thing too, though, because I feel like it used to be like. Like, we manufacture cars and we're gonna just make a good car because, I don't know, we shouldn't make shitty things. Like, and we'll charge whatever we Charge for it. But, like, here's a good car. And then I think everything becomes. Everything's a business. Everything is a bottom line. And then it's like, well, if we can do it a little bit cheaper, we can. We can make some more money. Okay, let's do that. It's like, well, let's go a little bit cheaper, and let's also raise the price. And it's like, yeah, like, if you can. Like, that's the market and capitalism. I get all that, but I just feel like it used to be like. Like this appliance electronic mechanic thing, like, used to be made with quality materials, because that's just what people did. And now it's like, well, I saw on the Internet that someone does it for, like, cheaper or, like, they're able to make 10 of these at a time or whatever it is. And it's like, yeah, now everything sucks.

[John Feitelberg]

Now everything sucks.

[Kevin Clancy]

And everything is because of capitalism.

[John Feitelberg]

And I'm a capitalist. I actually, I was thinking, I don't think I'm a capitalist anymore. Oh, boy.

[Kevin Clancy]

John's a communist.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't think I'm a capitalist.

[Kevin Clancy]

Thank God we're ending the show. I can't do a show like communists.

[John Feitelberg]

I was just thinking about speaking specifically the Martin Shkreli and.

[Kevin Clancy]

And.

[John Feitelberg]

And his thing being like, well, I have responsibility to my shareholders. You should get shot in the face. Like, you should get shot in the. Like, with Martin Scar. You got shot in the face.

[Kevin Clancy]

You can't see. Dave couldn't say that.

[John Feitelberg]

But yeah, you know what?

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I actually think, though, Martin Shkrel was a good example. There's a couple people on the Internet.

[John Feitelberg]

But, like, that, like. Like, his argument would be, like, that would be.

[Kevin Clancy]

That is capitalism. Right?

[John Feitelberg]

I am a capitalist. That is capitalism. I think that guy should have gotten shot. So I don't know what that makes me, but I think that guy should have gotten shot.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, there's. There's a limit to that.

[John Feitelberg]

He bought AIDS or diabetes medication, made the price like 500. Like. And. And, yeah, you shouldn't be able to do that. You don't have that responsibility. You should get shot for that.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I do. I did like, that society banded together on that one. It was like, that guy sucks for sure.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, but there should have been enough. We also agreed he sucks.

[Kevin Clancy]

Someone should have shot him.

[John Feitelberg]

Somebody should have.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

There'S.

[Pam]

There's.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's. Martin Shkreli is one. Milo Yiannopoulos was on with Tucker Carlson recently. So I guess he's, like, kind of Coming back. You know that guy. Yeah, that guy sucked so bad that he got kicked off the Internet. Like, I don't. I don't think he did anything, like, illegal or dangerous. I think it was just like, we were off of YouTube because you'd say too much.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I. I don't know. There's many examples otherwise of that. Like, you know, Alex Jones kind of like. But there's a couple people where the. The world just said. Said, no, you're right. They probably should have been shot.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it's at least a good step that, like, he didn't go to jail.

[John Feitelberg]

For anything related to that. Right. Because it's really. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I mean, I'm sure it probably was like some other white collar that's all related, but it did. Had. That was totally legal.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like, I own this and I'm gonna charge what I can because you have. I have a captive. That was great. AIDS patient.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't know why this came into my head. Like, I. I haven't had, like, a Martin Shkreli thing in my phone. I don't know why I was thinking about this or why he came in. But, like, I vividly remember him being like, well, I have responsibility to my shareholders, and I have to respect.

[Kevin Clancy]

Have you ever seen Shane with him? Shane Gillis and. And Shkreli were on Legion of Skanks one night.

[John Feitelberg]

Oh, yes, I have seen.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And Shkreli kind of was like, it's a free market. I did. Nothing was illegal. I have a product.

[John Feitelberg]

And then you had people defending him like, he's right, he's right. It's like, he's not right, dude. There's no way he's right. For increasing the price of AIDS medication 5000% or 500. But.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like.

[Nate]

Like, if you.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you want to be a devil's advocate, literal black and white, like, yeah, okay, you didn't do anything wrong. It's legal.

[John Feitelberg]

But that.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was. That was. Shane's reaction was like, yeah, but that sucks, dude. Like, you're right, but that sucks dick, and you suck for that. And, you know, the crowd cheered thankfully, and. And he kind of was just like, yeah, yeah. But like that. Yeah. I think we. Another thing that happens these days is like.

[John Feitelberg]

If that's what capitalism. Capitalism is, I'd have to call myself anti capital.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think that there. I wonder. I actually don't know. You know, what I was thinking about doing is almost a series of, like, call it, like, dumb questions or something where it's like, what's capitalism? It's like, I know, but I don't really know.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, like fascism. I. I know that when you get called a fascist, it's bad. I know, I know. Examples of fascists, I don't really know. Yeah, yeah. Like, those are things that. That kind of what we were just talking about, like, saying what a lot of people are thinking. It's like, be brave enough to, like, ask the dumb question, you know, because it's like, people are so stupid.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, they'll like, on face value, just be like, you said you're anti communist. Like, that's. Or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, because they have their idea of what that word means.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feitelberg]

But no one has a shared understanding of what the word means or like, even a real understanding.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feitelberg]

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[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feitelberg]

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[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feitelberg]

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[John Feitelberg]

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[John Feitelberg]

Yep.

[Kevin Clancy]

Thing. And like a bunch of people were like, wow, first of all, I just put in chat GBT and took all the information out of it. I mean, I made my own video, but I was just like, I don't know this. I'm gonna look it and I'm gonna tell it to you. And people were like, wow, this is like really interesting. Like, and I was like, that is. It was such base level of like. Like, just here's a topic that I did one second of research on that if you are like a professor or studied it or have a degree, it's like, we should listen to those people, man.

[John Feitelberg]

What do you think about it?

[Kevin Clancy]

I think it's not going to go through. I agree with that also. So the news today was Paramount is trying to offer 100 billion. Yeah. I don't think it sounds to me like I don't think any of this is going to get through. I think there are legitimate antitrust monopoly issues that like, a lot of I've just heard. Actually, I was going to say I've heard both sides of it. I haven't heard many people be like, no, no, no, this is illegal and will get through. I've heard a lot of people being like, this is a. Is a violation and should not get through. Whether or not somebody corrupt just says, we don't care who knows. But I think this is a violation of monopoly and antitrust rules.

[John Feitelberg]

I read an interesting article, actually. This is an interesting clip from a Monopoly lawyer, an antitrust lawyer being like, it's so obvious, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

This Is like, why the rule was made for this.

[John Feitelberg]

He's like, it's the number one company buying the number three company. And the number two companies, Amazon. Like, it's so obvious setting up a monopoly that there's no way this goes.

[Kevin Clancy]

No justification. Right.

[John Feitelberg]

And his idea, or his thought was this is Netflix putting their competitor back a year and a half because for a year and a half, all, everything will have to be frozen. All of those franchises will be frozen. They can't make stuff stuff because for a year now.

[Kevin Clancy]

So what happened if the deal doesn't go through? It you get frozen for a year and a half just because.

[John Feitelberg]

Just while the deal is going through, which will take about a year and a half according. According to this guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Holy. So, like Game Thrones, Soprano, all the HBO stuff gets frozen.

[John Feitelberg]

All that stuff, I guess they can't start. Obviously they have existing projects that have already been made, but I guess new ones, according to this, they can't start new ones. So he's like, what they're doing is they're freezing their competitor for a year and a half.

[Kevin Clancy]

And, but, well, that's also why I saw this, the, the breakup fee.

[John Feitelberg]

You saw that, that do what?

[Kevin Clancy]

If, if Warner Brothers and Netflix do not reach a deal, Netflix has to pay Warner Brothers $5.8 billion just to like, it didn't work. So if it doesn't pass regulation and if it just. If, like, I don't know, they disagree. It's a. You get $5.8 billion for like, so not like, hey, you want to get together? Sure. Never mind. You get almost $6 billion for that now. I do, I do think, though, so what? I thought I saw somebody saying it sounds like Netflix. Warner Brothers is going to finesse 6 billion from Netflix, break up, turn around and get Paramount to buy them. I think if they make another deal that they don't get the money. But I wonder if it's like, if that's in perpetuity. Like, what if we break up right now? I get $5.8 billion and me and Paramount do a deal next year or three years or five years from now. It's like we're talking about billions. So it might be worth that.

[Pam]

Is that even that much money to them, though?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, you know, the deal that, that Netflix has put on the table is between 70 and 80 billion. 72 and 82. So 5 is, you know, but it's still not chump change. What's crazy is it makes sense. It makes sense. It's like, we are really good with the tech and the data and the streaming and the PL platform. You have the bomb ass comic books, movies, TV series, hbo, all that like put that together. So like I, I understand why they're doing that from not a just take, take aside money and monopolies and control and all that. Like, like you're good at this, I'm good at that. We would be a good fit. So I understand that.

[Pam]

But that's another kind of like dumb question. I would like, I mean like I, I get what a monopoly is, but I feel like there's so many gray area. Like even Amazon is kind of a monopoly where it's like no small businesses can operate if they're not on Amazon. So they have to. But then Amazon takes a chunk of it. Like whatever. Like that is a monopoly kind of.

[John Feitelberg]

I would, I would agree with that.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't get why like think maybe it's just you have to be number one and number three. But like Warner Brothers was number three and they combined with Discovery who was like probably like number 20 or whatever.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And but 1 and 3. Well, but so like where's the line though? Like is, can you, if you're like 10 and 12, can you do it? Can you do 1 in 15? Could you do 1 in 7? Could you do 2?

[John Feitelberg]

And you know, you definitely can. I don't know what the, the algorithm, the equation is but yeah, it's almost like it's.

[Kevin Clancy]

I love the government being like no, stand on your own two feet, you know, you don't need anymore. But I absolutely can see a world where we have the Netflix Warner Brothers hybrid or the Paramount Warner Brothers hybrid. Amazon, Apple.

Disney. And I think that's like it. I think they're like five people control the world, you know what I mean?

[John Feitelberg]

For sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

So. And whether or not they combine. So to me that's also funny where it's like, like well, we can't have these two combined, but there's only five total. Like this, this thing almost like it already is a monopoly in a way because there's already like there's only so few major players. Have you ever seen that chart of the tech world with it's like Nvidia and what's the other one? I don't know how to say. The P1 Pal. Pal and Microsoft and Apple, whatever. And they own the whole world.

[John Feitelberg]

But.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like even streamers, like all those are like connected and it's like, like the, there's like five to seven companies that if they go down the whole world blows.

[John Feitelberg]

Up.

That's the joke in 30 Rock. Is that the same type deal, but, like, NBC is owned by the Shine Hart Wig Co. And like Shine Heart Wigs owns like a thousand things and that. I think what the joke was then is that, like, it's been that way forever.

[Kevin Clancy]

We just didn't know it kind of deal Gamble and all those, like, you know, the. The dump, the automotive, like GMs of the world. Like, there's. There's always the major players.

[Pam]

But I think it's also, like, concerning. I forget what. What did I hear? It's like there was some company that was making their own. It was like a streaming service is making their own, like, food products or something. Because it was just easier to, like, once they start getting it out of their. Like if Amazon was like, oh, it's just.

[Kevin Clancy]

We'll just like, well, Amazon scenario. No, they could, like, they do do everything. Yeah, I mean, like, like, like if Netflix came out with like, a vodka tomorrow.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, like, I think Amazon, could they just be like, I. I think I buy. I think I bought, like, Amazon food.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Toll foods.

[John Feitelberg]

They bought, hopefully.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I feel like there's one that's just like, Amazon. Like string cheese, like polio. I think I bought some the other day. It was like, off brand. And it's like, yeah, Amazon, I feel like they can do books, they can do food, they can do. You know, they've done it all. Whereas at least these other ones are sort of like, I mean, entertainment. But yeah, at this point, it's like, once you just have that many billions, it's like, yeah, let's make, you know, yeah, Netflix is gonna make a grocery store now.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And it's like, you know, just. Netflix just becomes a term.

[John Feitelberg]

Well, JFK or LaGuardia, whatever it is, the. The snack stands are BuzzFeed, right? It's a BuzzFeed. The BuzzFeed Marketplace.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, we are living in the dystopian future already, man. I. I saw a very funny tweet, though, that was like, like, because I don't think, you know, you got to realize that all of these things have already merged before. So, like, Warner Brothers is hbo. You know, I don't think a lot of people even realize that. So somebody was like, wait, Netflix bought Warner Brothers? And Warner Brothers owns hbo. So now Netflix owns the Sopranos, and they're like, we're about to get a Sopranos reboot where Tony Soprano is a fat black lesbian. But I mean, if. If, you know, if. Like.

If it does go through and you have like the Netflix type of, of platform and just like data and like in your face like Netflix does it the best, you know.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

If they can do that to House of Game of Thrones, DC Comics, all the sports leagues, all the hbo, like that would be I think would be crazy.

[John Feitelberg]

My, the. I'm, I'm kind of. What do you think? I'm kind of excited about it.

[Jackie]

Not really.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think that, I think it's pretty bad for you.

Theaters.

[John Feitelberg]

It's bad for movies. It's bad for movie theaters. No doubt. Okay, so let's. Movie theaters are dying one way or the other.

[Nate]

Of course.

[John Feitelberg]

Like I don't want them to be. Luckily we live in New York City. I'm gonna go to the movie theaters my whole life because. Yep, New York movies, just New York City. But like they've been dying everywhere forever.

[Kevin Clancy]

So like it might take another hundred years, but it's over.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah. You know, but I think that at least storytelling will continue. Like visual storytelling.

[Jackie]

I think it'll be easier to make a movie with less risk, which is.

[John Feitelberg]

Like they'll be, they'll be worse, they'll be worse movies.

[Jackie]

But yeah, I think that movie theaters will get cut in half fast. I think a way for movie theaters to respond is to build more IMAX theaters where there's a reason to go to the movies. If you're just gonna go to the theater for a little bit of a bigger screen, there's no reason to get people there. There's two IMAXes in New York, like that's it. Or 70 millimeter. Like we should learn how to lower those costs so we can get more IMAX. 70 millimeter is more of a reason to go to the movie theater. It's like I want to go to a roller coaster basically. I'm not going to go just see like a bigger screen.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I mean I think this is. I wanted to hear your guys thoughts on this. You heard what's his name? George Soros? Is that his name?

[John Feitelberg]

That's his name.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't know what he said though.

[John Feitelberg]

Ted Sarando.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that's why I paused because I.

[John Feitelberg]

Always mix those guys up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Sarando said like watching on a small screen on a big screen does make a difference. Like good movies are, you can watch on a phone.

[John Feitelberg]

Couldn't be more wrong.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I know that's truly.

[John Feitelberg]

Couldn't be more wrong.

[Kevin Clancy]

I know. But I think I, I don't disagree with like coming from like your guys point of view that it's like probably literally worse. I Just don't think people. Enough people care about that.

[John Feitelberg]

But that.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I think that's a different statement.

[John Feitelberg]

That's a different statement. Like the, the that that gives me concern.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then.

[John Feitelberg]

Because, like, the guy who's in charge of movies shouldn't say there's no difference, because there is a big difference. People don't notice. That's a different story. You're saying something different. If Ted was said, he's like, you know, our consumer doesn't really notice. And I, I know that there's a humongous difference. I know there's a tremendous amount of effort and then things that, that differ between the two, but it really isn't noticed by the, by the people who consume it. So, like, we're gonna go more into that. That's a fair business person's perspective. To say it doesn't matter and you're going to become the guy who's in charge of movies.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's stupid. I, I think that, like, because I've always, I've always felt this way, like, you guys go to movies, I wait for it to come out on. On tv.

[John Feitelberg]

And like, it literally matters because people literally make effort to do things that show on the big screen.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. I guess the, the question is, what. At what point is there a diminishing return? Or.

Like, you could really say that about anything. Like that perfecting it and, and doing it in, like the, the absolute right way is the way you should do it.

[John Feitelberg]

Correct.

[Kevin Clancy]

But in. I think that. I don't think that happens a lot. I think it's you. You try to find like a happy medium where it's like, this is effective and profitable and efficient and still conveys.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah. It's an argument that everyone making movies has with their money guy every time.

[Kevin Clancy]

And actually, I think it goes back to even beyond this, like what I was just saying about building like a quality car. I'm sure they're like, well, let's find a middle ground. It doesn't have to be the perfect materials. And Right.

[John Feitelberg]

A director goes, it's got to be on. It's got to be set here. And the guy goes, well, that's going to cost 50 million. What if you did it here? Yeah, and you find a middle ground.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I think if I'm keep up with the car thing, it's like, you know, Ferraris are like handmade engines, and so they cost $250,000, you know, and so if you want to make, make like the perfect movie, maybe it's almost the opposite of what you're saying it's like, if you want to go see imax, it's going to be very expensive because that's the only way we can keep funding it.

[John Feitelberg]

I just find, I think that's, I, that's my thing. I, I think theaters will become, like, a specialty. Like, it's like going to the show. Like, going to the theater.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Going to a play. Like, so what?

[Kevin Clancy]

But you would you pay, like, 150 bucks to go see IMAX? Yes.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, I would, but I know I'm extremely in there.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. That's what I mean. I think you guys are coming from a place of, like, passion and love for the art and like, I, I could watch a movie on a laptop and have no problem.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I would, I would for sure admit, like, oh, yeah, of course, if I was in the theater, I almost think the sound more than the screens 100%. I want to hear the explosions and all that. But, like, I can watch Oppenheimer on my iPhone and probably be cool with it. Whereas, like, I, I know people like you absolutely couldn't, but I think there's probably more me than you and like, thousand percent.

[John Feitelberg]

And then, but that's, but that's my whole thing. If Ted said that, that's fine. That's just the truth. That's the reality of the situation. The reality situation isn't that there's no difference.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I shouldn't give the exact quote because I don't know. I, I, I think his general vibe was more. What we're seeing is that people want to watch movies at home, and that's what we're going to do.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And you know, that's probably shitty for like, the, this, the cinephiles out there, but what is probably the reality of the world, you know, we also remembered.

[John Feitelberg]

What the, it's not Netflix who did it like, this was happening. Netflix. Yeah. Is the, it's almost like, like the, the people say, like, Trump's a symptom, not the cause like, Netflix people were.

[Kevin Clancy]

Already doing this and Netflix said, okay, we'll do it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Pam]

I think it was actually what I was saying before, like, Big Five wanted to make, start a production company so that they could just advertise or. I don't know if it was Big five. It was something like, it was Big five.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't know if Big five is.

[Pam]

Either, like the shoe, like the Big five. Like, I don't know how to describe it. It's just, it's Big five now.

[John Feitelberg]

I got to know what it is. Cuz if you have no way to.

[Pam]

Describe it, it's like a little bit of everything, but like mostly like guns and like hiking shoes, I think.

[Unidentified Guest]

What?

[Nate]

What?

[Pam]

But like also this is a brand. Sports.

[Kevin Clancy]

Big five Sporting goods.

[Pam]

Sporting goods.

[Jackie]

Sorry, ditz, no Big five Sporting goods.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but.

[Pam]

But then dick is what I'm talking about. But it's like a dick sport.

[John Feitelberg]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Pam]

But I think, okay, dick. Correct me if I'm wrong, it could be Big five, it could be dicks, but they're starting their own like production company so that they can just advertise instead of like going to, you know, trying to like slip in a movie. They can just like cut the middleman and do that.

[John Feitelberg]

A very popular thing for stores right now.

[Pam]

Yeah, well, so I think the more people are going to do that in that. So then it's just gonna be like one big advertisement and I'm curious to see like how that that feels. Like that's gonna take it away.

[John Feitelberg]

That. But like those advertisements will be like Instagram. What I read was that like a lot of stores are doing.

Making like mini shows on their Instagram.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Where they're like, this is the future.

Like Millie Bobby Brown being your intern. Like, I think probably big brands will do that. I can't imagine that lasts very long. I would think consumers get pretty sick.

[Nate]

Of that pretty quick.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think.

[John Feitelberg]

What?

[Kevin Clancy]

I think somebody's gonna get Quibi right at some point. I think Quibi tried to do it way too big and way too fast. But I think that idea of like small, small short form and like targeted and attached to a brand and like you can sign up a superstar, but it's like a 12 minute thing. I think someone's gonna get that right and it's gonna be all.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't. I think, I think because to talk about a show you have to really like it. And I just don't think anyone's ever gonna really like something on their phone. You'd be entertained by it, but you're not gonna really like it.

Maybe. Look, this is. Obviously I haven't done it as me.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

But like, I've never been interested in something like that. Like all these things you've watched everyone. Have you watched something on your phone and been like, holy, that was so good. Or have you been like, ah, that was fine?

[Pam]

No, but I think that the more you incorporate it into your daily life and like have it become part of your routine, the more you feel like a kinship to it. So I think like, like I watched all vampire Diaries on my phone. And like I say that I have the most like, like feelings towards Vampire Diaries because I, I would like watch it in my room, I'd watch it on the train. Like, I'd watch it like everywhere. And like I feel the most comforted by that show. Like all that.

[Kevin Clancy]

I watched Breaking Bad. Sorry, keep going.

[Pam]

No, no, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I watched Breaking Bad and, and it was, and saw it always sunny. We're like both coming out around the same time. And I was commuting into the, to the city for school and I watched it on an ipod touch or whatever that was. And yeah, I have like a fond memory of it.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, but those are also. How old were you? I think that's also a thing we, we as people do with entertainment is like we, we liken it to the times of our lives rather than like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Nostalgia where it's like, oh, I don't.

[John Feitelberg]

Want to see this movie. Like, like when, when a sequel comes out and like this sucked. And it's like, yeah, you want to watch Happy Gilmore too. You wanted to be 16, right? Is what you wanted. And I think that might be what's happening here. But, or maybe you guys just really.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, no, I, I, I, I. It's not that I prefer it or anything. It's just I don't the, the I for sure understand that the sound of the screen and the shared experience and the popcorn and all that, it heightens it. It's just like the opportunity cost or whatever that like. But if I can just sit on my couch and watch it at home and do that.

[Pam]

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[John Feitelberg]

But, but you're willing to go, it was good, right? Like, like you're that extra level, that extra effort is how to me, I can only speak for me, but like, that's when I really love stuff. Stuff. But I don't really, there's not often I watch something at home. Definitely not something, I watch something at home like with the lights on and like that where I'm, I walk away and go, holy, I'm mind blown. It's Usually like in a theater or at least, at very least at night. It's not like if I'm watching something in the middle of the day, yeah, I'm pausing it and stopping it. I can enjoy it. And I go, I saw it. Yeah, I liked it.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was good.

[John Feitelberg]

All right. That was cool. I did like that part. But I'm not gonna walk away and.

[Kevin Clancy]

Go, are you talking specifically movies, though? Because I do this with television all the time.

[John Feitelberg]

Television's a little bit more of a fickle beat.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, like, I think that's also a difference. Is that what Netflix is really doing? Because blending movies and television, television also.

[John Feitelberg]

Has, like, I, I, I think a movie, when done right, like, the pacing for the whole movie is important. And if you stop it and you go do something totally, you break the tension, break the whole pacing. You break all that. TV has that stuff built in. They have like, the commercial breaks and episodes, seasons. So, like, the pacing breaks and you don't have that tension.

[Kevin Clancy]

That really might be the problem is that we're, we're kind of conflating two things that, like television. I, I just, when I watch Mad Men, I think I'm putting Madman as my second favorite show of all time.

[John Feitelberg]

Really.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I just watched. I had this thought the other day that I was like, I un. Isn't it a sad thought that you probably have heard your favorite favorite song ever already? Oh, God, yeah, right. And your favorite show and you're like, from now until you're dead, they will, you'll probably never hear another song that you're like. That's actually my favorite.

[John Feitelberg]

It's all from when you were 6.

[Kevin Clancy]

8Th grade is like, when it happens. But the reason this came to me was because I was like, I was like, I gotta rearrange my whole list for Mad Men. I loved it that much. And that's obviously a TV show that I watched sometimes during the day and sometimes, you know, falling, half falling asleep on the couch or whatever. But I have a very fond memory of it. It. And that was TV show. And I think it used to be like, TV and movies. And now, like, Netflix just kind of throws it all together, so.

[John Feitelberg]

And that's why I think it's also not like the end of the, I don't know. I, I don't think anything that can happen is the end of the world. But like, the Netflix, Warner Brothers merger, like, I, I think it's obviously awful for movie theaters, for theaters which are already dying. They're like, there's, there's 20 of us who still like going, you gotta really live in New York City.

[Kevin Clancy]

Gotta really, like, incentivize it for normal people in the. I'm trying to think of what would get me to be like, okay, yeah, I will, like, go to that.

[Jackie]

They're doing that with like. Like the Odyssey, for instance. It's like they're doing the shooting. The entire thing is 70 millimeter IMAX. They made special cameras for it, special sound for it, special film stock.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, that is like.

[Jackie]

But there's. You know, that's Christopher Nolan with seven of the best actors in the world.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jackie]

You're going to get maybe one of those a year.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I think that Marty supreme is going to be crazy big because people are already feeling that the movie theaters are being threatened to take away from them. And this is a big movie coming out. I could see Marty supreme going crazy.

[Kevin Clancy]

But really. Wait, what? You said that people are threatened.

[Jackie]

People are feeling that movie theaters are going to get taken away from them.

[Kevin Clancy]

And just because of what we're talking.

[Jackie]

About, Mario supreme is the next big movie to come out.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I feel like people are going.

[Jackie]

To flock to the theaters for that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. It's one of those things where it's almost like you got to show the. Show it, you know? Like, no, it's like, how many people you want?

[John Feitelberg]

Don't move our team. You'll get in the stands, dude. I know, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

And unfortunately, like, I don't want.

[John Feitelberg]

I get. You know, to the people of Oakland, I understand that you had a bad owner who would spend money on team.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're like the 15 Oakland A fans. Yeah, we hear you. And I know it sucks for you, but the average person doesn't want to see it.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I'm like. I hate that I'm like, even contributing to the. The. This notion at all, but I'm one of those guys, you know, it's just like, I don't need it.

[John Feitelberg]

But, like, as someone who loves it, what a blessing that, like, people still want to watch. Like, that's another thing I learned over the weekend. All this whining and waxing and we do about movie theaters. Like, oh, they're dying. You must. Movie theaters made at the box office this year. How much? Take a guess.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, hundreds and Hundreds of millions.

[John Feitelberg]

$9 billion movie ticket cost. Fifteen.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

A lot of people go to the movies.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

Didn't you say it was up 5%?

[John Feitelberg]

Up up more than 5%. That once the. It's gonna. I would guess by the end of the year because I Think Zootopia is gonna do a couple hundred million. Fire and Ash is gonna do a couple hundred million. Marty's room would probably do 50.

[Kevin Clancy]

50.

[John Feitelberg]

There's only gonna get one weekend in this year.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

So you're looking at another $500 million coming in.

[Kevin Clancy]

Coming in like a couple weeks. Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Throughout the next few weeks. Like, that's a massive year. That's bigger than the years they've had in past. Except for like 20, 22. It got up to like nine and a half, 10 billion. Like we're complaining about a 10 billion dollar in industry.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

10, 10 billion dollars a year. And we're saying that this industry is going out of business.

[Pam]

Business.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's probably.

[John Feitelberg]

It's $15. You can only get a ticket for one price.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feitelberg]

Like, there's no one buying a $500,000 ticket.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feitelberg]

This is $9 billion divided by 15. That to me is a lot of people going to movies every day.

[Kevin Clancy]

And that number is. Is just tickets or is that, as far as I know, your experience.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's probably a lot like radio where it's like. Yeah, radio's like dead. And it's like there's a bunch of people listening to.

[John Feitelberg]

It's like what they did about baseball. Baseball. Every year we have to be killing. And as a matter of be fine your whole life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Movies be.

[John Feitelberg]

Are to going to be just fine.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I think things go up once the is dead narrative really starts.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah. Because people want to kill it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Baseball. Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

I hate movies.

[Kevin Clancy]

That. But then. And then you. It's almost like you need to reach that breaking point. Because then there are people who want to kill it. And there's the people who are going to rally for it. Like baseball, like the World Series was outrating the NBA. And. And I. I have to think that's because people were like, no, I watch, you know. So you almost need to challenge people and. And see, like, all right, prove it. Make it. Make it. It profitable enough. Make it like.

[John Feitelberg]

But I would be surprised in our lifetime, particularly in New York City. I can't speak for Sheboygan, but like, we're gonna be fine going to the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Movies our whole lives. Oh, yeah. I don't think. I don't think it's like gonna go away. But I. I could just see it being like there's less theaters and I.

[John Feitelberg]

Mean, I'm going to see Citizen Kane tonight.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. In the theater.

[John Feitelberg]

In the theater.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. But you guys are gay.

[Nate]

You guys.

[Kevin Clancy]

You guys are gay.

[John Feitelberg]

You're like, you're.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're the, you know, you're the passion.

[John Feitelberg]

I'm saying it to be like, like, you can go see New York City, you can go see whatever the you want. I could have seen good fellas this weekend. Like, you can go, you can go see any movie you want in a theater in New York City. So like, sucks for everyone else, but I'm good. So like, like every rule ever changed. Like in the country. It's like things are going to get pretty hairy down south, but I'll be good.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I can go to the movies and get an abortion and you can buy a gun. I can't really, but I get an abortion, go to the movies, and we all have our ups and downs. I do wonder though if like the true movie theater type executives, whatever that is, the head of AMC and Regal or whoever are like, we're fine, relax, we're good.

[John Feitelberg]

Or if they're like, I'm sure they're like, we got to get people back in the theaters. But like, again, I don't know if you tell me that I, I would guess that college basketball is also a nine billion dollar year industry.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

No one's saying college basketball's on the way out, you know.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, and you know what? I, I wonder if it's.

What did you just say?

[John Feitelberg]

Said college basketball, $9 billion industry.

[Kevin Clancy]

What was it? Oh, I had a good point too. It's gone. Nope, it's right there. Oh, it's like music. I think movies and music are going to be like, like, I'm sure there were people like when CDs died and, and it went to streaming. Yeah, it all got up and like what's platinum got up and music certainly changed, but like, it didn't get rid of the, the, the genre of entertainment.

[John Feitelberg]

Same thing we're talking about with like what we talk about with AI and stuff like that. We're like, yeah, it's a, it's a new technology. Things will change, things will also stay.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it'll be okay. Right?

[John Feitelberg]

Like, I'm sure this is the same fear they had when they started doing talkies and they're like going to have talking people in movies are going to ruin movies. Or even just like, like, I could see people.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, you think you can really get like the same emotion from watching a screen? You can reading a book. I was like, yeah, you can, bro.

[John Feitelberg]

Fifteen years ago, the shows we watch, the shows we love, no one could ever make that show.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feitelberg]

No. Shows were 30 episodes long, half hour, or they were 30 episodes long. They were out like it just changes. It doesn't go away.

[Kevin Clancy]

I've never, I've been like, wow, they used to make 22 episodes a season. But I'm never like, oh, it's only 10 episodes a season.

[John Feitelberg]

No, it's just entertainment's different, but it's.

[Pam]

Still here, I think, like with music, like, I only need one song to get me through a month. Like I need one really good song and I'll listen to it all throughout the month and it will get me through and I'll be so grateful for that so song. And then I get sick of it. Next month, new song. But at the end of the day, like, it's only. I only need like 12 good songs a year to get me through the year. Kind of same with movies. It's like I don't need all these like giant. Like as long as you have a.

[Kevin Clancy]

Barbenheimer, you need a Nolan.

[John Feitelberg]

Like just a couple again, when I talk about dumb. He said Barbenheimer would have been the same if it released on Netflix.

[Kevin Clancy]

Absolutely. That's a good point. But I do think like, like Barbenheimer for me was like Clem and Robbie like hit me up and they were like, we're gonna bring our girls and go to the theater. And I was like, okay. Like, like it was, that was enough for me to be like, this has become a like social event for me. You know that. But you can't like that. You can't even count on that. Like, even again, like that was so rare.

[John Feitelberg]

Like every movie I go to is a social event. But that's also like I just have friends who like movies.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. But like I think for the average person it's, it's a little less than that, you know.

[Pam]

But I think that's like an interesting point is I, I don't even know if the movie theaters are like have changed their advertising. Like that is a new modern way to get people to the theaters. Like you have a rivalry. You have like a complete tick tock trends of people going and like dressing up, whatever that gets people to the movie theaters. Other than that, like just advertising for a movie. Like normal how they always have for the past 15 years. Like that doesn't work anymore. That's people to the theater.

[John Feitelberg]

So it's kind of like they try the popcorn buckets. They, they do try.

[Kevin Clancy]

They try things.

[Pam]

But like I haven't seen a Barbenheimer necessarily since there was like that other. I forgot there was one similar to.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just don't think any movie like in a weird way you got to have the balls to do that because other people. I'm not going to go up against Christopher Nolan. Right. And they were like, well, we're. And Christopher Nolan's going, I don't want to go up again. Barbie. But they're like two that like Ken.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Where it's almost, it's counterintuitive. But you have to really have the goods, you know, you have to know your movie is awesome. Or in Barbie's case, popular. But then we have that fight again on the way out.

Caroline in here. I think it's almost like, like better to, to like link up with a rival, you know, that's also, I think a lot of these, I mean, you.

[John Feitelberg]

Mer happen boxing now, like sports.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right, Right. You turn.

[John Feitelberg]

Someone's got a.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's got to be a storyline.

[John Feitelberg]

I'll take that fight.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I, yeah, I think, I think some, the mergers are, are an example of that. So you would think that like Spotify and Apple like hate each other and I think they're behind the scenes. Like we need to make our industry better than the other one. So like let's work together and all that sort of shit. So it'll get creative and they'll keep trying and I think it'll be fine. It's just a matter.

[John Feitelberg]

I think it also. It relies on creative people.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

So the answers will be good. The answers will be creative.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feitelberg]

You know, like it, it relies on creative people going, you want to keep doing your thing better get creative about it.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what?

[John Feitelberg]

People also work.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just don't know who would do this in the right mind or if it's even possible. But if Christopher Nolan was like, none of my movies will ever be on television.

[John Feitelberg]

I would bet he doesn't.

[Jackie]

That he met already with like the, he's the head of the Directors Guild of America. Christopher Nolan.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I think he like went into Netflix.

[John Feitelberg]

I would, I would bet the big neck characters are going, no, no, no. Yeah, I go, I go into theaters. And now for the next generation, who knows if they'll still have the same clout. But like I would guess Nolan, Tarantino.

[Kevin Clancy]

They'Re going, I'm not going streaming ever.

[John Feitelberg]

Yes, I, I already did. Cuz I do think that price could be right.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like I think a big part of their industry and their money and everything was like DVD sales and that's just like the new version of that. Yeah, yeah. So like, I don't think there was. They're kind of like forced into this. So it's not quite the same. But I don't think any director would ever have been like, I'm not being a blockbuster. I'm not being on your home. You have to go to the theaters now. It's like, I. Christopher Nolan probably feels like I'm saving the theater industry. But if. But it would take maybe, like, one or like, very few people I think could do that. Where I would go see a Christopher. I want to see Christopher Nolan movie. If I can only see it here, I will go. So if Tarantino did that, I'd be like, I don't love him as much. Like, I don't. I don't know. You know?

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I think only a few people could get away with that. But that would. That would be. That would make the difference. If I know that at some point I could watch it on my tv, I probably will.

[John Feitelberg]

I think.

[Kevin Clancy]

You tell me that you cannot. That changes things.

[John Feitelberg]

The people who like watching on tv, I think just, like, you just want to watch it. Does that make sense? You want to be able to. To participate in the cultural conversation.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[John Feitelberg]

Whereas, like, when I watch it, I want to see the stuff.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[John Feitelberg]

I don't want to. I don't want to just talk about it. I want to like, oh, we did.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

But, like, people of us are like, extremely. People like, us are like, people who make stuff. So, like, there's not a lot of us.

[Kevin Clancy]

But wouldn't that. Isn't everything you're saying pointing towards. They're gonna just charge a ton. Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then you. Yeah, that. I think that that's probably the. But I think the answer would be like, well, then the people who want to put your money where your mouth is and the people who don't. It.

[John Feitelberg]

You know, But I think sucks.

[Kevin Clancy]

But that.

[John Feitelberg]

I. I don't think that can happen just because I think that decision has to be made so early in the process of, like, I'm gonna make this for theaters.

[Kevin Clancy]

So then the budget changes and everything.

[John Feitelberg]

We don't know how people are gonna come.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

And buy that 150 ticket.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I think it's all. But it's very interesting.

[John Feitelberg]

It's also. It's just what happens. It's just like, the world, like. Like, the shows will change, but, like, they're gonna keep making movies and stories, and we'll keep watching.

[Kevin Clancy]

The only thing I could see changing things for the work for.

[John Feitelberg]

For, like, 50 years ago, they weren't in theaters or whatever, you know, 40, 60 years ago. I don't know when we started.

[Kevin Clancy]

It started yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

It hasn't been that long that movies are, like, the main thing. There's always been entertainment. We'll just find new ways to do it.

[Kevin Clancy]

I could see a world where, like, if you're growing up now, there's probably a lot. I don't know. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass. I was gonna say that. Like, young people now. If you're being, like, born now, like my kids, I don't think you're gonna fuck about the big screen, you know? So when you guys are dead, it might be over. There's no one left who cares about this year.

[Jackie]

Not going to the movie theaters.

[Kevin Clancy]

They're just not. Yeah, yeah.

[John Feitelberg]

That's. It's like, also, like, the plight of a human is like, the world worked the way it worked when I was a kid. The entire time. Yes. It's just not how it works. It's not how it went.

[Pam]

I've always thought about, like, in Devil Wars, Prada, how she's like, I'm just, like, one stomach bug away from, like, my goal weight. Like, I think it's, like, one Covid away from, like, being completely dead. Like, streaming is hanging on my thread, but. But.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it's bad for you guys, but it's. I think all.

[John Feitelberg]

I honestly think it's good for us.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I might be it, actually.

[John Feitelberg]

I think, for, like, what I want the world to be, but I think it's good for people who are creating.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah. But I. I could also see a world where it's like, maybe this is good for the. People love theaters. Because it's enough controversy that it's almost like what I think about how Taylor Swift really came about when Scooter Braun her.

[John Feitelberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Shane Gillis losing SNL was the best thing that ever happened.

[John Feitelberg]

Taylor only started when Kanye said she sucks. Taylor only started when Scooter stole her music. Taylor's been around.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, no, I didn't say started, but I think that her fans became when they felt like, we have to fight.

[John Feitelberg]

No, I think Kanye was way before that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Either way, like a controversy that made it be like, we. We need to ride for this girl. Maybe this is going to be like, we need to put on for movie theaters if. If it's going to work and, you know, know, rally the people. But it's. All the media landscape is very interesting.

[Pam]

I don't. I need somebody to explain to me why TV movie theaters are not a thing. TV movie theaters just, like, watching TV shows.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, I. Episodes. I would love that, too. Well, I. But I guess the, the logic is we can't get them in the jack.

[John Feitelberg]

We can't get them there for an hour and a half, let alone 10 hours.

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pam]

But no, you don't have to binge the whole season just like one episode and make the tickets like $5 dollars. $5. Grab your popcorn.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think you could do that for like Love island finale and like that, like, it almost needs to be like the other that, not them. Theatrical stuff. Like the reality stuff. Yeah, because that's what like you see people going to bars for watching. It's not. It's like, that's live.

[Jackie]

It's like sports and you want a reaction. We got to figure out a way to like, gamble on.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, that would be big.

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Or if there, if there is some like, added. If it was like, I'm gonna go see Marty supreme. But there's also like, only in theaters right now. Like he's streaming something and like you get an extra add on or. Yeah, you know, it's like, why do people buy the DVD for like, the extra add on? Maybe you go to the theater, you also get like a little short film or you get his commentary or I don't know, whatever. It's sort of like, like with KFC radio, people like, well, like, what's gonna happen? It's like me and John are gonna probably do a very similar show, just like a different screens and like that, you know, it just, it just morphs and changes. So. All right, that's it for today. So we, we, as we've announced the end of the show, we also just like kept doing the show. So our plan to do some of the reminiscing and nostalgia, we'll do next episode. We have some old clips, Memory lane. We'll play some voicemails. We'll do, you know, some. Some farewell type stuff so we can get that. That out of the way. So next episode, some KFC radio reminiscing while we also mix in, you know, new stuff in the regular show. But we'll see you on Thursday.