Jessica Singleton (3:06)

Wait, can I hear what you're. I. I know that you made a one minute man on it. Can you recap what you said on.

Kevin Clancy (3:11)

Yeah, yeah, we'll kind of talk all about it. So. So, I mean, when. When the Kimmel news first broke, my first reaction was just like, I don't really like Jimmy Kimmel. I don't, like, strongly dislike him either. But I. My thought is, I think that the people on the right often come across as aggressive or insensitive. And people. People on the left are, in my mind, kind of like snarky and hypocritical and phony and fraud. Those are two different types of unlikable things in my mind.

Jessica Singleton (3:44)

Okay.

Kevin Clancy (3:44)

It's like I always say kind of when we talk about the left and the right, in terms of when people are like, the left needs a Joe Rogan. Like, the right has all these comedians. And I think that it's. For a guy, it's quote, unquote, easier to be on the right. Yeah, I think most guys would rather be perceived as like an. Than a. And that's kind of the right. If you're going to generalize and stereotype, those are kind of the two. You know, you guys are, like, aggressive over the, you know, alpha male. And these guys over here are, you know, they, they're progressive and they care about people and rights, but they also do it in a way like. Like, that's my point with Jimmy Kimmel is that whereas the left's reputation, I think, is more, at least in their minds, they're very caring and care about others and all that. I think that he's just as much of a divisive person as some people on the radar. You know, it's a different style. It's like I said, it's not as aggressive, it's not as manly, whatever. So it's easier to, like, shit on that. But I think the people like Jimmy Kimmel, who are. They make everything about politics and are always calling out Trump and demeaning to the right are. Are just as much to blame for this divisiveness. You know, I don't think you can necessarily complain about, like, oh, wow, the world is so divisive, and everyone's at each other's throats. But then also be really pushing one side or the other. You know what I mean? Like, you're just, in my mind, you're just contributing to the problem. Okay, so when that first happened, I was kind of like, good. I don't like Jimmy Kimmel, like, whatever. But that's. That was when I didn't realize that the government was like a part of it. I think if ABC solely independently said, we have like a plan in place and you're violating that, you broke some of our rules, you're affecting our bottom line, our shareholders, whatever, I think they have a right to do that. It. That, you know, that that gets dicey where it's like free speech and freedom of expression and comedy and creativity. But at the end of the day, like, I think the reason I was so open or not appalled at that right away is like, that kind of has happened here, like at Barcelona. You have to operate kind of within certain rules. And there have been times where I've like broken those rules and I've either been in trouble, like legally or, or reputationally or business wise. So, like, you know, I love, I know people love to think of the idea of like, it's America and you can say and do whatever you want. But my thing was for a long time, I always heard you can say what you want, but there are consequences to your words.

Jessica Singleton (6:18)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (6:19)

It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture. And there are consequences for your actions. So that was where initially I was like, well, wait a minute, why, you know, why are we not playing by those rules right now? Just because it's gone from the left to the right, why is it right to the left? It's what. Why does that same logic not apply? And so I do think that would apply again if it was just an ABC decision or something like that. But once you find out that the FCC is either directly involved or, you know, the FCC basically said, here's, here's what we would like to happen. And then there's a bunch of networks that are like, let's give the FCC what they want because they're trying to do this merger and they need to, you know, make sure the administration's happy. That's where you start to get it to what in my mind is a black and white clear cut if you are going to support the government censoring speech. Yeah, you're crazy. I mean, that's like, you're crazy. So, you know, so I posted yesterday, Joe Rogan came back to his podcast. Ivy Run, of course, is waiting for what Rogan's going to say. And it's like, there's only. There's really only one take. If. If you acknowledge that the government was, like, involved in some way, you know, if you wanted to. If you wanted to debate me that, like, the FCC didn't influence them, okay, we can have that debate. I. But I think they were involved or, like, at least looming over it to the point that it would influence the decision. You know, I think once that's, like, established in any way, if there are people out there still being like, no, no, no, this was good. I mean, that's just, like, patently crazy.

Jessica Singleton (7:47)

Yeah. I mean, it's. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (7:48)

It's just not good for anybody right now. What, What. What Rogan said that was. That interested me was. He was. He was saying this is bad. But then he. He also was, you know, further saying it's because, like, the reason why you shouldn't be down with this is they'll turn it around and use it on you. You know, so the people on the right who are like, hell, yeah, this is good. Well, people on the left are watching and being like, okay, well, when we're back in power or when we control things, we're going to do the same thing to them. And it just becomes this, like, back and forth, which is not good. But my. My takeaway from that was like, if there's anybody who doesn't realize that that's what's going on at this point, that's what's crazy to me. Like, nobody actually cares about the issues. Nobody really cares about the principles. Nobody cares for what their party stands for. And whatever argument they've been making for the last 5, 10, 12, 16 years, the second that they could benefit from flipping on that opinion, they will do it.

Jessica Singleton (8:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (8:57)

You know, like, I think it kind of used to be, like, everyone in my party, like, we all kind of agree on these basic things. So, like, that's why we ride together, you know?

Jessica Singleton (9:06)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (9:07)

And they would stick to that, like, no matter what. So somebody on the right who is, like, anti. You know, we want less government, we want less control. But as soon as they see the opportunity to stick it to Jimmy Kimmel or stick it to the left by going against those things, they will do that. And I. I think that is, like, patently blatantly apparent in today's world and especially in the political world, like, if you don't see that, it's never actually about these. Nobody cares about the people. Nobody's trying to protect your rights. They're just Trying to get power or money or influence or popularity or whatever currency it is that they trade in. You know, like, to me, that if, that, if anybody's still surprised by that, you know, I, I like when people say, like, can you believe that the right is now being the snowflakes and the cancel culture? Like, how crazy is that, that it's flipped up and how hypocritical are they? It's like, yeah, no kidding. Because nobody is actually principled and like, is doing it for the right reasons anymore. And I don't know if they ever were. I, I don't know enough about like, you know, early politics of America to know if it was really rooted in issues and laws, rights, all that stuff.

Jessica Singleton (10:23)

But I mean, like, people in power.

Kevin Clancy (10:25)

Yeah, like, like at least it seems to me, like when I learn about history, I think they kind of romanticize government, the founding fathers and freedom and all that stuff. I wonder, you know, when, when did it really become corrupt or was it always corrupt? I feel like since the beginning of time, when you're talking about emperors and you're talking about, you know, back in cavemen times, if there's any sort of power structure or hierarchy, I think people are using it and abusing it as opposed to like doing what's good and right, you know?

Jessica Singleton (10:53)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (10:53)

I just can't believe that there's anybody in the world who doesn't know that at this point. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (11:01)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (11:01)

Like, it's just, to me, it's, it's just human nature. It's not just politics, it's business. It's, you'll see it on like the Internet. You see like people flip flopping and just doing whatever, whichever way the wind is blowing. When it comes to trends, when it comes to who, like, it's, it just depends on which way the wind's blowing. Like, is it, is it, Do I benefit from talking this way or that way? You know, I, I, I. There are many examples, I think, of political pundits who are preaching one way and it's like, I can go back like 10 years and you were on a show or a platform or whatever. That's the exact opposite.

Jessica Singleton (11:35)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (11:36)

It's just now, you know, you benefit from saying this, so I'll say that.

Jessica Singleton (11:40)

Yeah, I was trying to like, even put my finger on like, what feels so different and like, I mean, I hate to like, divisive or whatever now, like, do you think it's more. I would you say. I feel like now it's people versus, like right versus left. Not like, right versus less ideology. Yeah, like, right.

Kevin Clancy (12:00)

No, we need, like, you need to.

Jessica Singleton (12:02)

Pointing fingers at like, the outliers too much.

Kevin Clancy (12:04)

It's also the people. It's like, I think there used to be a lot more. And what's crazy is, like, it's getting.

Jessica Singleton (12:11)

Kind of civil war.

Jackie Feidelberg (12:12)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (12:12)

And because people take it so personal and they are attacking the person rather than the idea or the speech or whatever. And I think that part changed. Like, I do think there used to be politicians on either side that would, like, disagree with your party politics, like, to my core. But they would be friendly.

Jessica Singleton (12:38)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (12:38)

And civil and like literally behind closed doors, like our friends, you know. And then outwardly I have to disagree with you and we'll debate and we'll argue and. And my success comes at your failure and vice versa. So there's some inherent competition and whatever. But I really do think that they, like, behind closed doors would be like, yeah, that's just business, you know.

Jessica Singleton (12:56)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (12:56)

I don't. I think maybe. Maybe that's been the. Maybe, you know, the founding fathers were actually.

Jessica Singleton (13:02)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (13:02)

Trying to ruin each other.

Jessica Singleton (13:03)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (13:04)

But again, that at least the. What we're taught or led to believe is that it wasn't that way. And so maybe that's changed, maybe it hasn't. But I do think it's worse now. I do think it's like when you hate somebody, like, everything else goes out the window. You know what I mean? Like, you will come, like, most people at least will compromise their, like, thoughts and beliefs if it means sticking it to someone you hate or not associating with them. Like, it's hard to. To stand up for someone you hate. You know, it's like Charlie Clark said a lot of, like, horrible, stupid, ignorant. So it's tough in that moment to stand up. And especially if you're in that world and you have a following and a fan base and all that, to be like, that was fucked up, you know?

Jessica Singleton (13:50)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (13:51)

Because the average person doesn't want to hear that. They just like, we don't like that guy. Right.

Jessica Singleton (13:55)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (13:56)

But that's. That's like when you have to. If you're going to be in the world of politics and, and play that game, like, that's when you have to stand up for. It's easy to stand up for someone when they're doing well or everything's good. It's when tragedy strikes or when things are down or when it's bad for business. That's why I always kind of appreciate people who will, like, you know, Compromise their money or their business for their beliefs. Because it's like, it's one thing to talk about, it's another thing to, to be about it. And I do think that people have gotten so beholding to their political party or their fan base or their followers or their audience, their constituents, whatever, that they, when it really comes down to it, are like weighing the pros and cons.

Jessica Singleton (14:37)

Yeah. Because if, well, no, you go, like.

Kevin Clancy (14:39)

When I do, if I talk about politics, like every time I do it, I'm like, all right, I'm going to like lose a bunch of followers for this. Like, that's okay. But then there are days where I'm like, I am working so hard to build this thing and then I'm going to speak out on something that's going to like chop it down a little bit, you know. And so, you know, there are times where I'm like, I don't care, I need to get this off my chest or I believe strongly in this. And there are other times where I'm like, it's just not worth it to fuck with my, you know, when people are like, you have a platform and you should say these things. It's like, I'm gonna use my platform how I want to use it because it took a long time to build it and it's, it could tear it all down and all that sort of shit. So even in just like little easy day to day circumstances, I think sometimes it's hard to like say what you believe or stand up for what you want to if it comes at a little bit of a cost. And then when you're playing at the highest of stakes with the biggest of jobs, the most money, and you're talking about something like murder and assassination where it's like, you know, everything is at the highest level it can be. It's, it's not easy to, yeah. To do those things. But the people who are in those positions, I think are the people who need to be able to do that. You know, it's like I don't expect the average Joe to, to, you know, understand all the nuance of this, but the really important politicians or even like the really important entertainers like, probably should be, you know.

Jessica Singleton (15:53)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (15:54)

But I think that's also probably the kind of the problem with, I mean, I personally don't like all the comedians being involved in politics. We've said that before on here. Like, it just, I, I, I guess I can't say for sure. I don't want to like, speak on people that I don't necessarily know, but, like, I feel like in general, we know this world and we know that it's about selling tickets.

Jessica Singleton (16:20)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (16:21)

Getting views, the algorithm, like, that's what those people are worried about, you know? And I think that for the last however many years, it's kind of aligned where it's like, if I talk about Trump and politics and I embrace these sort of things, I am, like, speaking on these issues and I am using my platform. Some people disagree with it, but some people agree with it. But either way, you're using it, but you're. It's because it's benefiting all the tickets and the sales. It's when those things don't align that I don't necessarily know if, though, if the comedians will or the entertainers or the influencers who are getting involved in the political world. Like, are you still going to do that when it doesn't necessarily benefit from you?

Jessica Singleton (17:04)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (17:04)

Because, again, it's easy to do these things when that is the good or the better option, and that's what you, you know, gain from. It's different when you lose because of it. And that's where I think the people who are in politics or make their content about politics, who are truly journalists and all that, are a little more inclined, or at least I hope they would be, to, like, do. Do it for the right reasons.

Jessica Singleton (17:30)

Yeah. So do you think, like, are you saying that you think it's changed politics and people are, like, using it for, I think so media and, like, everything.

Kevin Clancy (17:39)

I think fueled it. And maybe I'm just not. Maybe I'm projecting because this is just how I approach the world. Like.

Jessica Singleton (17:44)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (17:45)

My thought is sort of like, what is content? What's content for me today? You know?

Jessica Singleton (17:49)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (17:49)

And when it happens to be politics and it's like, oh, good. Like, I can. I can talk about, like, this Trump Tylenol thing and get a whole bunch of views.

Jessica Singleton (17:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (17:58)

As opposed to. I need to talk about this Trump Tylenol thing because I, like, disagree with it or I agree with it, whichever side of it is. Are you talking about that because, you know, putting, like, Trump Tylenol, autism is going to get you 5x your views, or are you doing that because you're actually informed and educated and interested in talking about that topic and pushing, you know, it's either good or bad or whatever your opinion is. That's where I think it's like, what is your motivations and what is your intention behind it? You know?

Jessica Singleton (18:25)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (18:26)

Maybe some of these guys are, you Know, some of. Some of the comics seem to be really into it, but it's like, I also think that this is more like a wave right now. This is a trend almost.

Jessica Singleton (18:35)

Yeah. And because then it feeds off of each other, and then it's like, then you just get more. Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (18:42)

I mean, the fact that it was sort of like if you're a creator, an influencer, and you, like, co sign Donald Trump, like, you're gonna get like, his rabid fan base, but then it's like, then he co signs you and he goes on your show, and I'll appear with him and. And get all these views, but then he appears with me and he gets all these votes, and it just becomes this very, like, mutually beneficial thing where I think it's easy to lose sight of, like, what's actually at the root of all that, you know, because it's just, I give views, you get votes, I get popular, you get power. I, you know, we all get money. No, those are like, the real motivators.

Jessica Singleton (19:17)

Because then I feel like the more that they. It feeds off each other, just pushes the, like, left and right far further and further apart.

Kevin Clancy (19:23)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (19:23)

To the edge. And now. And now I also feel like every. Both sides are, like, on the defense, and it's kind of like if you're like, drowning, all you're thinking, like, in water, the only thing is trying to survive. Where it's like, that's where I feel like everyone is on both sides is using, like, the ideologies that we were talking about, like, as like, defense.

Kevin Clancy (19:46)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (19:47)

And it's kind of like taking away from the integrity of it, I guess. Like, it's like if you're throw. You can take anything from both sides and thrown the other's face to be like, well, you. This isn't right.

Kevin Clancy (19:58)

Because, you know, there's always a. I'm not saying that well, but, you know, I know it's. It's. There's always a, like, gotcha moment or like, everyone's like, looking for that. Like, I caught you in a lie or I caught you being hypocritical and, like, can use it. And it's all very, like, you're not just having a discussion about the issues. It's like, how can I. It turns into, like a sport. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, like debate. Like, when you debate somebody, there inherently is kind of. It's like a little sport. That's why there's like a debate team, and that's why there's, you know, when you're. You can, like, win a trophy, like, you can win the debate, you know, so there is like, inherently a little bit of competition where it's like, you have to learn how to argue and how can I turn my point, those points against them and all that. But when it becomes about that, rather than, like, about the actual topic, the issue, the.

Jessica Singleton (20:48)

The.

Kevin Clancy (20:48)

The substance, that's. I think that's where it all goes together. It's like you're doing. Are you doing it for the money and the. The success? Are you doing it for the ego of being right? Are you doing it because you don't like that guy and you want to put him down? Or are you doing it because it's like, I don't want information about autism, misinformation about autism to be spread? Yeah, yeah, those are. And that's where just. I. Again, I can't speak for everybody. I can't speak for anybody other than myself, but I just think I know enough about this Audi, this industry. In this world of, like, when you work so hard to become a success and either sell your tickets or sell your podcast or make your views, whatever it is that consumes you, it's just like, it just consumes, like, a lot of these people. And it's like. So I think that's ultimately what ends up being your. Your motivator, which is fine and only. Only human, but I think that's. Those are just not the people we should be turning to for our answers or our information or tell me how to think.

Jessica Singleton (21:51)

Because they have, like, an ulterior.

Jackie Feidelberg (21:53)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (21:53)

And that's where, like, so right now, this Tylenol thing is happening. I. I haven't, you know, I don't know all the details, but more or less, it just sounds like Trump and RFK and the administration is just being like, Tylenol causes autism. And, you know, a lot of people immediately are sort of like, okay, well, who's benefiting from this? Like, are, you know, are the. Are. Are the pharmaceutical companies, like, not playing ball with Trump and now he's like, you know, gonna put out this information about them so that people don't use Tylenol? Right?

Jessica Singleton (22:25)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (22:26)

And people right away are like, follow the money and follow. You know, that's. That's part of the problem with. With pharmaceuticals and vaccines and stuff. It's like, why do people have a problem with it? Because they're making billions of dollars if you take this vaccine, and people are willing to make that connection. And all the time, yeah, they're sort of like, oh, well, big business is involved and they're lining their pockets. They are corrupt or they are influenced or whatever. I don't know why that doesn't apply to content, where it's like the. I almost feel like the first line of thought should be like, oh, well, you're benefiting from some saying this.

Jessica Singleton (22:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (22:59)

It's good for you to be Team Trump. It's good. You know what I mean? Like, why don't people make that leap when it comes to the content?

Jessica Singleton (23:10)

Yeah, yeah.

Guest Comedian (23:10)

I. I.

Jessica Singleton (23:12)

Like with the Kimmel thing, for example, I feel like him coming, like, the fact that there was even talk of the FCC being about the government being involved, it's like, if we don't preserve some kind of. I don't. I don't know. If we don't. Like. I don't know how to explain it, I guess.

Kevin Clancy (23:32)

What if we don't preserve?

Jessica Singleton (23:33)

Like, if. Like. I feel like if the government wants to really get involved in, like, they can do it through big money corporations. They can, like, find their loopholes or whatever. They're gonna be able to do that. I think once the. There's. The people know that, like, the government is involved, like, the illusion of free speech is important to preserve right now, if that makes sense. So it's like, if Kimmel was off the air and then we were like, oh, well, like, there's a lot of people think that the government was involved. That would almost be like, all right, well, now the foundation of American, Whatever, free speech, all that is, like, really starting to get. Now we're. Now we're blurring the lines too much.

Kevin Clancy (24:16)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (24:17)

I think that it's beneficial for both sides that Kimmel came back, had an apology, all that. Because if not, the lines are gonna.

Kevin Clancy (24:28)

Get the whole thing, like, the whole.

Jessica Singleton (24:29)

Thing starts to fall apart.

Kevin Clancy (24:30)

Yeah. That's why. That's why. I mean, you can do whatever. It's just like, you're crazy if you support this, because it just. Just opens up this can of worms that, like, you can't undo a lot of the stuff. If you really start to go down this path, you know.

Jessica Singleton (24:42)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (24:42)

Now I think you could also, you know, you get a little tinfoil hat kind of conspiracy. It's like, I think the government's been controlling a lot of things for a long time and giving you the illusion of certain things.

Jessica Singleton (24:50)

But that's why it's like. But you need to preserve the idea that we have free freedom, you know, totally.

Kevin Clancy (24:57)

That. That for sure matters. It's like you live in a Free country. It's like, ah, not really, but it's freer than others. And. And you feel that way and it like. Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (25:07)

And I would like to at least.

Kevin Clancy (25:08)

Think that I'll keep up this.

Jessica Singleton (25:10)

Somebody said the other day that. Because we were talking about like why they keep talking about trains, you know, like fast trains being bullet trains being a thing. And then we're like, why haven't we seen a bullet train anywhere? And then they were like, well, all the big major fight or.

Kevin Clancy (25:27)

Yeah. Do not even get me. You know, the fact that we don't have trains in this country.

Jessica Singleton (25:30)

Oh yeah. Okay. Is this like a known like.

Kevin Clancy (25:32)

Yeah, I mean it's just like you look at every other country, especially Europe, like you can get anywhere by train.

Jessica Singleton (25:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (25:39)

Super fast and super convenient. And. And then you look at a map of ours and we have like five railroads, like five major railroads. Like one over here, one this way, one that way and that's it. And, and yeah, I think it's because, you know, airlines and lobbyists and whoever are like the minute that you could just hop on a train and get to Florida instead of a plane, guess what you're going to do?

Jessica Singleton (25:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (25:59)

You know what I mean? Like that, that radically changes the airline industry, which is a multi probably trillion dollar thing. So like. Yeah, I mean there's that you can go down that road. There's trains, there's like. I'm pretty sure we have the technology and the understanding of like free and clean energy. But then you don't have oil money and you don't have, you know, so there's a lot of that. I think like the government either controls or suppresses that you don't even know about or think about. But it's when it starts to like creep into your television, you know, it's like most people aren't necessarily sitting around and really flipping out about trains, you know.

Jessica Singleton (26:35)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (26:36)

But all of a sudden like your favorite comedian or your favorite late night host or something is being affected and it like brings it to an everyday level for the average person to scream and yell about.

Jessica Singleton (26:45)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (26:47)

But it's, you know, the, the.

Jessica Singleton (26:54)

Well, I was gonna say I also like on Fishbowl we were kind of talking about, but like everyone should just go to Europe for a little bit. I mean, if you can. But like whenever I'm in Europe I, I mean I see a lot of problems with this country but like I'm always just like, I fucking love America.

Kevin Clancy (27:11)

Yeah, I'm. Well people take that shit for granted a lot. And they shouldn't. But I also understand why they do. It's sort of like, you know, when you're. When your parents are like, well, they're starving people in Africa, and it's like. Yeah, well, if you apply the, like, worst extreme. If your logic is to always just be like, well, hey, it's not the worst thing in the world.

Jessica Singleton (27:30)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (27:30)

It's like, I almost think, like, taking it for granted is a little bit of the benefit of being in a free country like America.

Jessica Singleton (27:40)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (27:40)

You shouldn't take it for granted, but it's like, you shouldn't have to wake up in the morning and worry about, like, your safety, your. Your clean water, like, all these things that there are people who do.

Jessica Singleton (27:52)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (27:52)

But it's like, the. Not only do you. Do we. Does America provide that, but I think you should be able to, like, accept that as the baseline. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (28:02)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (28:02)

It's like, boy, the. It's like girls dating, you know, like, the floor is on. The bar is on the floor here, you know?

Jessica Singleton (28:07)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (28:07)

It's like, you shouldn't have to worry about the absolute little basics.

Jessica Singleton (28:12)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (28:13)

Should you be aware of it and cognizant of it and appreciative of it? Yes, But I. I don't think that you should necessarily apply, like. But it's true. Once you travel a little bit and you see how some of the other. And I'm not even. You know, you go to, like, a third world country. It's obviously. It's very apparent, but you go anywhere and it's like, oh, that's. That's not how we do things back home.

Jessica Singleton (28:32)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (28:32)

It's much better my way, you know?

Jessica Singleton (28:33)

Well, I thought of it because, like, I. I feel like I started to love big corporations because I love the consumerism that. That occurs in grocery stores when you have a million different options.

Kevin Clancy (28:45)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (28:45)

Of something. And in Europe, it's just like, you get.

Kevin Clancy (28:47)

You get one. Get what? You get.

Jessica Singleton (28:48)

You get one. I want my options.

Kevin Clancy (28:50)

Yeah, yeah. What you're describing is just big American consumerism. Yep.

Jessica Singleton (28:56)

But it's like, if I want a sparkling water, I have a million different flavors.

Kevin Clancy (29:02)

Choose from, which is the. The proliferation of water is nuts. Yeah, yeah.

Jessica Singleton (29:06)

It's gone nuts.

Kevin Clancy (29:07)

Like, first of all, it's hilarious that it's like, rel. It's a. Water is, like, relatively new.

Jessica Singleton (29:12)

Yeah, I know. I know.

Kevin Clancy (29:13)

Like, people just weren't drinking water back in the day. It's like, yeah, this is our fuel, man. You absolutely need this. But the fact that there's like a hundred different brands of just plain ass body armor. All you need is body armor with all the electrolytes and all the alkaline and all the, like, what. You know, there's a million different sodas, but they all. They have different flavors and different tastes and consistencies. Like, that makes sense, but the water is crazy.

Jessica Singleton (29:41)

It's. It takes up. It just like, takes up, like, the whole, like.

Kevin Clancy (29:44)

I mean, imagine, like, trying to think of another comparison, but I don't think there is anything. It's like if you. If you owned a. A store that specialized in, like, this type of food, and you went in and you had every flavor of it, sort of like whiskey. So you go to a bar, and I saw a whiskey bar the other day. It had. It was like a library with the. With the ladders, you know, like those type of libraries, you know, shelves to the ceiling wide. And it had every different type of whiskey. And there are people who love whiskey enough that they know all the different flavors and tastes and different styles. This one's sweet, this one's spicy, all that. But people do that. There's that level of. Of selection for H2O.

Jessica Singleton (30:25)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (30:26)

But that's, you know, I think that all kind of ties into it. American consumerism and. And, like, wanting and desires and selection. It's like, all part of our way of life. And that all plays into what I'm talking about here, where it's.

Jessica Singleton (30:40)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (30:41)

You know, it's almost like it's just a luxury to be able to focus on those things where other countries are like, yeah, we're still, like, really focusing on free speech. Yeah, we take that for granted.

Jessica Singleton (30:50)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (30:51)

The Tylenol thing is interesting. It's like, as you know, what I can't believe is there are just a lot of people out there who are just like, okay, Tylenol bad. I'm seeing a lot of people being like, wow, I can't believe I've been taking Tylenol all this time. And it was bad for me, and it made me. It really crystallized for me. How many people, if you're deep in politics, they just believe what they're being told, you know, like, this one is. This one's so silly to me that.

Jessica Singleton (31:17)

It'S like, where did it stem from?

Kevin Clancy (31:19)

I. It just. I think Trump just, like, came out and had a press. I'm sure RFK started it because he's like, the czar of, like, health and consumer and FDA and all that, but I think Trump just kind of came out and said it. I mean, he. He couldn't pronounce a set of. I can't either. But I'm also not the president giving a speech on this. A set of. A set of fetamine. Oh, how do you say it?

Jessica Singleton (31:39)

I don't know.

Kevin Clancy (31:40)

Yeah, I can't say it either. But again, if I was the president going up to give a speech, I would be ready on that. You know, they just, like, came out and said, it will harm and it causes autism during pregnancy. And people were just like, oh, that's what it is. I took pregnancy, and that's why my kid's autistic. And it's just like anything that man says. And I'm sure if it was Biden or Kamala, anything that man or woman said, the other side would. Would just believe blindly. And, you know, I think it's funny in. In this world, I feel like there's like, there's Feidelbergs and there's Clancy's. You know, it's like John will kind of take things at face value and would be inclined. I don't think he would believe something like, crazy and silly like that. But, like, you don't want to be the nut who, like, questions every single thing. But also, I think it's a little crazy to just be like, oh, okay, you said so I will no longer buy that, consume that, use that, whatever. And then, you know, especially something with, like, autism, vaccines, pharmaceuticals, you can find any stat and any number in the world to argue whichever side you want. There was a big map. It said, like, do you really think. Do you really think this is, like, just genetic or something like that? And it had cases of autism and it had a map of the world.

Jessica Singleton (32:47)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (32:48)

And it was like, the most cases are red, and the least cases are, like, blue. Whatever.

Jessica Singleton (32:53)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (32:54)

The whole other rest of the world is mostly blue. And, like, America is like, red hot red, you know, and so some people will look at that and be like, oh, yeah, no, like, Tylenol is causing it. We use Tylenol the most. It's being. It's from vaccines. It's things, you know, whatever. But then there's also. And that might be true, I don't know. But there's also like, we have the best doctors in the world. We. We do, like, the most autism care. We have the most diagnosed cases. Bunch of countries where it's like, we don't even. We're not even taking you a doctor because we don't have these other freedoms and these other, you know, standard things. That we take for granted. So it's like, yeah, you could look at that and say, oh, yeah, America is, like, causing the autism. Or you can look at it and be like, America's doctors and programs and scientists and all that, like, understand it better and are diagnosing it more and all that. So it's like, yeah, there's higher cases. We're trying to. We're all those kids are getting diagnosed and getting care and.

Jessica Singleton (33:47)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (33:47)

You know, so you can. Especially in that world. I mean, the pharmaceutical companies, I think, have just made a living off of, like, okay, how do we fudge these numbers?

Jessica Singleton (33:56)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (33:57)

And change these things to make sure that we can sell this product or avoid the drawbacks or, you know, whatever. I was just gonna say that. That, to me, just feels like the most. Like, it's money related, it's power related. It's business lobbying. Like, I don't know, they just picked Tylenol and went after it. I'm sure there's a reason why, you know, they're not giving the administration what they want or, you know, they're everyone's. I could see a world where, like, every politician right now is like, all right, let's short the company who deals with Tylenol and we're going to buy the company, you know, stock company that does Advil or whatever the both sides of it are. And everyone makes a bag off it, you know, because this one just seems, like, so random and out of nowhere that there's got to be a reason.

Jessica Singleton (34:40)

I think that the pharmaceutical company, like, industry, we've just lost, like, just let them. Let them. Us. And, like, it's bro.

Kevin Clancy (34:47)

I mean, that we've lost it, truly. I mean, everyone knows about, like, the opioid crisis and the farm. Big pharma and there's movies and all that, like, people know about it. I. I still don't think people fully grasp the scope of, like, how insidious and, like, just downright morally depraved that was. Yeah. It was just like, this is gonna kill and ruin a ton of people.

Jessica Singleton (35:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (35:14)

And we don't care. We're just gonna, like, suppress that study. Push this one. Like, get the doctors to fudge it. And now you got a whole country hooked on it. It's like, yeah. Oh, yeah, the opioid crisis. Like, no, no, the opioid.

Jessica Singleton (35:27)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (35:28)

You know what I mean? And. And the fact. So it's, to me, in my mind at least, it's similar to, like, when people talk about Sandy Hook or the school shootings and they're like, if we never changed that day, we'll never change at all.

Jessica Singleton (35:38)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (35:39)

I kind of feel like if we couldn't all come together and like figure out a way to like stop the pharmaceutical crisis, I don't know, we never will. You know what I mean? Really can't I, it just seems like if, if I don't even know how you would go about that, how you, but it's, it's like controlling guns, controlling drugs. It's like there's just too much, too many people in this country, too much money involved to ever like expect that's going to change.

Jessica Singleton (36:03)

Yeah. And the, such like a, almost like taboo. Yeah. Like there, there's a lot around. Stigma. Too much stigma. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (36:15)

Everything that's, Yeah. I mean I, I, I still think especially in like the drug world, you come from like a world of everything in pop culture and movies and television. It's always like a homeless person, it's always a dangerous person, a crazy person. And I think that contributes to people just being like out of sight, out of mind. That's not me and my people. So like I'm not gonna, I don't worry about that.

Jessica Singleton (36:35)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (36:35)

When you start to realize it's like affected the entire country and it's all because of politicians and pharmaceutical bigwigs and all that sort of.

Jessica Singleton (36:42)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (36:42)

It's like, I don't even know how you would go about stopping that, you know?

Jessica Singleton (36:47)

Yeah. Because it's, yeah. There's like too much money to ever.

Kevin Clancy (36:51)

I don't know how anybody changes anything like it. Sometimes I feel like the country is just, it's a snowball rolling down a hill and like you can't stop it. You know, like the, the two party system I think sucks.

Jessica Singleton (37:04)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (37:04)

I can't even imagine how we would change that.

Jessica Singleton (37:07)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (37:08)

Like the Independent party is always a joke. There's nothing beyond a potential like third party fake candidate. You know, other countries have like 10 people, five parties. All this. And I, I don't know, I, I, I, I don't, I don't, I haven't voted. I used to think of that as like a embarrassing like scarlet letter. I was like, oh, I'm one of those people who's like ignorant and don't care and, or at least that's how people are going to perceive me. And I still think there are plenty of people who would say you live in America, you have the right to vote and exercise, you know, your freedoms and you're not doing it, you're taking it for granted. I get all that. But more than ever, I now feel like, justified in that decision.

Jessica Singleton (37:44)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (37:45)

Where I used to be like, I don't, I don't like either party, I don't like either candidate. And people would be like, well, you still should pick one. And, you know, like I said, exercise your vote to write right to vote and all that. But it's reached a point where it's like, I think I am morally and logically, mentally, emotionally opposed to like, both.

Jessica Singleton (38:06)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (38:06)

You know, and it's like, I can't just, oh, pick your poison, or the lesser of two evils or whatever. I, I, I feel more justified than ever in abstaining. And sure, that's frowned upon, and I'm sure people disagree with that. But I think the argument could be made more than ever now because it's like, I really think both sides have deep, deep problems and issues that I can't really co. Sign.

Jessica Singleton (38:31)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (38:32)

You know, because of that. But what would it take to.

Jessica Singleton (38:37)

I.

Kevin Clancy (38:38)

Don'T know, like, neither Democrats nor Republicans would ever allow like a, a third party of legit competition or a fourth or a fifth, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I, so, so some of those things just feel like.

Jessica Singleton (38:51)

Do you think it's a bubble that needs to burst or do you just can continue?

Kevin Clancy (38:54)

No, that's what I, I think, unfortunately. Like, you know what's interesting is when again to go back to like, what you learn in history, it's like, I think about like the fall of Rome.

Jessica Singleton (39:04)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (39:05)

You know, and it's like that just happened like that they used to run and they had it all and it.

Jessica Singleton (39:10)

Just fell and we're a quarter of like.

Kevin Clancy (39:12)

Yeah, right, right. And, and, but it's more so that it's like those things can happen, and I think they have to happen, you know?

Jessica Singleton (39:21)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (39:22)

Like, I think you either maintain control, like forever, you just become like this authoritarian, like dictatorship or some. Right. Or like, eventually it goes away. I just don't think anybody's ever, I don't think any country party politician, whatever is ever proactive enough to be like, we need to make some changes here. Even if it, like, lessens our power or we lose some influence, like, let's do this for the long term. I don't think anybody thinks that way. You know, it's like, I have my four years, maybe eight years in, in, in power. I'm gonna do what I want or at least, you know, try to do those things. And I, I, you know, it's weird because you think in the modern day, like, I Don't know. When I think of, like, the fall of Rome, I think of it being, like, medieval battles and, like, that. Like, you know, Rome got, like, sacked in a war, and that's why it fell. Right. And it's like, in the modern world, I don't know if that happens, but I think it's just a different version of, like, falling. You know what I mean? Where it's like, you lose some of your economic impact and you, you know, the Civil War type starts to occur, and, like, you. I don't know, your country's power and influence just falls that way. But I don't know, it does feel to me like you would need, like, a catastrophe to occur to enact any change, you know?

Jessica Singleton (40:40)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I, it. John said something like, I think during the election that was fun. It was really funny. But, like, he was kind of saying that. He was, like, saying with the transgender and the transgender rights, he was like, we need to. We need to, like, focus on, like, we'll come back for you. But, like, right now, like, we can't.

Kevin Clancy (41:07)

Yeah, yeah, we can't.

Jessica Singleton (41:08)

Whatever. And I kind of think of that because, like, now it feels like it. I don't know. I didn't have a Whatever.

Kevin Clancy (41:15)

No, go ahead.

Jessica Singleton (41:17)

I just, I just, like, that is, like, how I think about politics now is like, we're kind of losing. Like, it seems like, again, what I was saying on the defense, like, now it's just like a survival. Like.

Jackie Feidelberg (41:29)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (41:29)

You're not focusing on those little things anymore because it's like we're in a war.

Jessica Singleton (41:32)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Constantly fighting, and that's when I feel like it starts to break down. Is like, that's what feels like, kind of warish about it, I guess, is it reminded me of the fall of Rome. Is it's just like, all right, we'll come back for you in battle.

Kevin Clancy (41:44)

Like, all right, Right now we got bigger, bigger fish to fry. But it's like, not really. All these things are important. They're going to. You know, it's. It's like. It's like anything else that you put off and procrastinate. It's like, eventually this is all gonna hit you at the same time, and you're.

Jessica Singleton (41:56)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sad because I really do think that people are inherently good, but, like.

Kevin Clancy (42:02)

I never know about that again. It's like Fidalbergs and Clancy's, like, fights will always tell you that, like, he thinks people are good and happy, and he's probably right. Just because like on a day to day basis, for the most part, we're not killing each other and we're not at each other's throats. But I think more often than not, you will find people disagreeing and not like minded and, and yeah. Taking it personal. And I mean, you really just got to get back to like fighting arguments and not people.

Jessica Singleton (42:32)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (42:33)

But it does take a, like a special level of maturity and understanding and like empathy and all those words to be like, I really disagree with what you're saying. But like, we're still cool.

Jessica Singleton (42:45)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (42:45)

I think, you know, because when you're talking about like rights issues, it's like, I can understand if you really are passionate about gay rights, trans rights, abortion, gun control, whatever, all these like serious issues. When people disagree with that, that's not just like, oh, you root for one team and I root for another. It's like you're talking about like deeply entrenched, you know, feelings and like emotions and things that you've learned. I, I read the other day a psychologist was like the worst thing you can do is cut family out of your life over politics.

Jessica Singleton (43:20)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (43:20)

Like you need your family, you need your support system. Those are people that like, you know, you should at all costs try to keep a relationship with them, you know.

Jessica Singleton (43:30)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (43:31)

And yeah. To just like be like, I'm cutting my parents out of my life because we disagree on politics. It's just, I don't think something that ever happens like on a, on a wide scale.

Jessica Singleton (43:41)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (43:41)

And, and it seems to be happening a lot now. And that's crazy. I don't know. But it's equally as crazy to just be like turned a blind eye if, if you know, your parents disagree with some of the things that you believe like in your, in your core, you know.

Jessica Singleton (43:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (43:58)

So I think it's funny to, it's a weird spot where it's like, should you just kind of let that go unchecked and bury your head in the sand and have like a happy. That's what I like personally on a day to day basis. Like I disagree with my, with my mother at times, but like she's the most important person in my life.

Jessica Singleton (44:14)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (44:14)

And I will just be like, okay, yeah, agree to disagree or just lie to her and agree with her and whatever because I need her and want her in my life and other people don't make that decision. I think, like, I think you're gonna regret that. I think in, you know, what happens four years from now, the Democrats are back in, in Office. You know, it's like now you don't have a parent.

Jessica Singleton (44:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (44:34)

Like now you have done irreparable harm to your brother or sister, whatever. And, and I think the real, the real thing, like maybe I was wondering like what it's going to take to get people to like see the light or change. And I think since the Internet has really started cooking, we've only had a couple presidencies. I wonder if the ball going back and forth a few times where people realize that like their day to day life is really not changing that much. You know what I mean? Like, there is some up stuff going on and, and we, we are, you are losing some rights. And like, certainly especially with women's rights, there are, there are people in certain states where like their lives have definitely been drastically affected.

Jessica Singleton (45:14)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (45:14)

And that, you know, you sympathize with and you want to fix and change, but like on the whole it's not like, you know, you, all these things we've been talking about, that you still have your freedoms, you still have your safety, all that sort of stuff.

Jessica Singleton (45:25)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (45:26)

And I wonder if it's like right now, once the proliferation of social media happened and podcasting and comedians and all this, it's basically coincided with the Trump era, you know, So I think, I feel like a lot of people who disagree with that are like, we have to put an end to this. It's like, okay, well what if we put an end to it and now your team is back in power and you realize, well, there's still a bunch of like corrupt going on and life's still difficult and there are still good and bad and problems and, and benefits and like, and then it's like, oh, okay, well, so maybe. And then it goes back to the problems, back to, you know, if it goes back and forth a few times in this Internet era where you realize, like, okay, wait a minute, it's not the end of the world.

Jessica Singleton (46:01)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (46:02)

Or my team didn't save the day and change everything.

Jessica Singleton (46:05)

Yeah. You know, maybe it's not like Monopoly almost.

Kevin Clancy (46:08)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (46:08)

From one side.

Kevin Clancy (46:09)

Right, right. And maybe, you know, I mean, we had, we did a little bit of that. It's like I personally, the difference of Trump and Biden administration, like there are differences, there's some good, there's some bad, but overall I think it balances out generally the same. You know, I, I, I, I guess I shouldn't say that because if you're one of these marginalized groups, you'd be like, yeah, easy for you to say, you know, wealthy White man who's got no problems in the world. Like, yeah, you, of course you feel that way. I do understand that. I'm just saying on a very broad general sense, like, it's almost like recognizing your own, like, kind of insignificance. It's like when you think you and your party are gonna change everything. And maybe you do enact change, be like, oh, well, that was like an unintended consequence that's already bad. Or, or when you can enact change and you're just like, I don't know, this is just, yeah, it's not worth blowing up your family or radicalizing, you know, losing your job and like, all these crazy things.

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Like, yeah.

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Jessica Singleton (49:01)

Even throughout life, like, as I get older, all the ups and downs, like, you know, when you're younger, you go through a breakup. You go through, like, getting rejected somewhere, and you're like, oh, end of the world. I like end of the world. And then as you. And then when you're on a high, then you go, oh, I'm happy now. I made it. And then a few months later, you come crashing down, and, like, the older you get, you're more just like.

Kevin Clancy (49:23)

But, yeah, you do that three, four times the breakup, and you're like, okay, I'll survive.

Jessica Singleton (49:26)

And then you recognize, like, that is Life is, like, up. It's never gonna be ever. And it's just like the wave. The same thing with politics. You're right. Like, it is just like, if, if, like, maybe we're just so young now that we're, like, feeling the ups in the.

Kevin Clancy (49:42)

Yeah. Right now that's also a big part of it. Like, you know, kind of. Usually the joke is like, you're born a Democrat, you die a Republican.

Jessica Singleton (49:47)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (49:48)

You know, but I think there's some truth to that where it's like, I, I, I really align with a lot of the ideologies of the left, but they are idealistic. A lot of the times, it's like, yeah, I don't know if these are plausible or pragmatic or whatever. And as you get older, that that is so true. I mean, I probably more than ever at this age, I'm realizing the value or just the effect of experience.

Jessica Singleton (50:12)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (50:13)

Because when you fail a test in middle school, it is the end of the world.

Jessica Singleton (50:17)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (50:18)

And, you know, we kind of roll our eyes at, like, you know, when I see a college kid being like, oh, it's midterms, I'm, like, so stressed, you know, Or a girl goes through a breakup, and it's like, you know, her high school boyfriend and she's acting like the end of the world. And as an adult, you tend to roll your eyes, but you. The. In that moment, that person is experiencing that for the first time.

Jessica Singleton (50:38)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (50:39)

Failure, heartbreak, whatever bad thing they're feeling, they're feeling it for the first time harder than they've ever felt it. And so, like, I bet you've looked at, like, their brain activity. It's the same thing as, like a soldier at war, you know? Seems silly to think that, but it's like they are feeling that way because they don't have the experience to tell them this is not that big of a deal. Yeah, you just can't. You can't buy experience. You can't fake experience. You have to be 20 years older to look back and be like that. Midterm in, you know, 2004 did not matter.

Jessica Singleton (51:09)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (51:09)

You can't tell that to somebody, you know, your boyfriend. You're going to have a million other boyfriends. Like, but I didn't. I had one. And I really told myself we were going to get married and now we're not, you know?

Jessica Singleton (51:18)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (51:18)

So. And like, I really. That, like, the phrase of, like, ignorance is bliss, I really think is so true. Because it's just like, the. More at least I think if you're, like a somewhat intelligent person who, like, cares if you are kind of a dummy and you just really can float through life, then, like, whatever. God bless you. Those people are the best. Yeah, I would love to be one of them. But it's like if you care and you think, and you, you know, whatever, when you. Once you start to learn more, it's like, I gotta worry about that. Well, now I'm worried about this, and now I learned about that and I disagree with that. And. And I added bills to my plate and I added relationships to my plate and I got a new job. And it's just like, you add all of that to your plate and that, you know, really changes. So you are. Because when you're. That when you're a kid, you just don't go through any of those things, you know?

Jessica Singleton (52:08)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I might just be too, like, young and, like, ignorant and, like, stuff might start. But I feel like the mindset that has made me, like, feel the most at peace has been kind of like what we were talking about before, like, riding the wave. Like now when bad stuff happens to me, I mean, I'll be really sad, but I will, like, acknowledge, like, this is just a. Like, laugh at myself for being so human. Like, just be like, this is just a human emotion. Like, Some good.

Kevin Clancy (52:41)

I. I mean, I think that's a. Probably a little bit of, like, a defense mechanism, too. Like, I know it certainly was for me. I have done. I've gone through enough, like, bad stuff that I tell myself when I'm on my deathbed.

Jessica Singleton (52:53)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (52:54)

I've said this before. Like, I lived life.

Jessica Singleton (52:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (52:58)

I did it all. I had ups, I had downs. I. You know, extremes of love and heartbreak and failure and success and no money and money and popularity and not popularity. Likable, unlikable. All that. And do I wish that I just, like, kind of led, like, a more level, even life? I got a job, got married. Was any of it, like, fireworks? No, but I also never, like, hit any valleys either.

Jessica Singleton (53:29)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (53:29)

Would you rather live that life or one that was, like, loved hard and hated hard, Made money, lost money, like, did well, did. Failed, Like.

Jessica Singleton (53:38)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (53:39)

I don't know what's better. All I know is that having done one of the up and down versions, I am latching on to, like, yeah, man, that's just life. That's just being a human. Like, I feel like I'm like, Matthew McAn. That's just living your life, dude. Like, that's. That's what being a man is all about. It's like, maybe. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do know. I'm at least trying to believe that.

Jessica Singleton (54:00)

Yeah, like. Like missing your flight is so inherently human that it's like, like, almost beautiful. Just like that. That whole, like, being, like.

Jackie Feidelberg (54:09)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (54:09)

Like, if you really.

Kevin Clancy (54:12)

If you attempt to experience, like, the feelings of sadness and failure and the bad feelings as, like, they're just. I think about that movie inside. Inside out.

Jessica Singleton (54:25)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (54:25)

There's all the emotions, right? And, like, they're all main characters. You know what I mean? Like, obviously Joy is, like, the big deal, and then, like, guilt or whatever is the bad ones, but if you just treat it as like, this is all a learning experience, this is all something to teach someone else with or feel and just whatever. You know what I mean? And, like.

Jessica Singleton (54:47)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (54:47)

Rather than trying to, like, avoid it, fight it, just like, yeah, man, that's. That's part of the gig. Because you really can't avoid it. That's the other thing is, like, I bet if I try to. I really, I think, like, the number one thing in the world, like, if we could all walk a mile in each other's shoes, it would make all the difference in the world. Because there are times where I'm, like, pretty stressed out about stuff, and I'm like, I think objectively I've got a lot on my plate.

Jessica Singleton (55:11)

Yeah, you do.

Kevin Clancy (55:12)

I. I think so. And, you know, when I hear people like, you agree with that, I'm like, okay. I think I'm kind of justified in, like, freaking out a little bit, but, you know, I would love to walk a mile in someone's shoes and be like, oh, well, they don't have those issues, but the issues they do have make them feel the exact same way.

Jessica Singleton (55:28)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (55:28)

You know, so it's like, maybe your. Your life is just missing flights, but if it makes you feel the way I feel when I'm dealing with bills and divorce and the Internet and all that stuff, then, hey, like, stop complaining, because everybody. You know, it's like, if I were able to transfer into the body of someone who was living that very medium life.

Jessica Singleton (55:48)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (55:48)

And I realized that, like, they don't feel that much happier or they don't feel that much more relaxed or something, I'd be like, oh, all right. Well, yeah, then shut the up or whatever. You know what I mean? But you can't, like, it's empathy.

Jessica Singleton (56:00)

That's.

Kevin Clancy (56:00)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I. I mean, empathy is. You gotta, like. I think it's a little bit, like, constructed. You can't, like, actually feel it. You have to, like, you leave space.

Guest Comedian (56:13)

Cosplaying.

Kevin Clancy (56:13)

Yeah, I'm holding space. Holding space for your experience.

Jessica Singleton (56:16)

Yeah. I. I think, like, I feel like I. The past few years, kind of, like, freaked out about, like, what am I gonna do with my life? Like, what? Like, job stuff. But then I. Then I kind of sit back and I'm just like, but what a blessing to, like, live it. Like, have the trope of, like, living in New York, trying to make it in New York.

Kevin Clancy (56:33)

Like, there are people who would, like, you're their dream.

Jessica Singleton (56:37)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (56:37)

You know?

Jessica Singleton (56:37)

Yeah. You shouldn't be. But, like. No, but, like, this.

Jackie Feidelberg (56:39)

It's.

Jessica Singleton (56:40)

It. I feel like playing out certain tropes in life is. Is so, like, funny and just such a blessing that. I don't know.

Kevin Clancy (56:48)

I think, like, stereotypes exist for a reason. Tropes are a thing because it. It garners a reaction from people. You bond over it. Like, you know, when there. It's like every time I walk off of a plane in, like, a new city, like, I have a song on, and I, like, walk out of the plane, and I'm like, I'm the main character, you know? And it's corny and, like, stupid, but it's like. But there's a reason why that evokes that feeling. You Know, it's like every time I'm like driving down the west side highway of New York, like, there are times it's like sunset, I got music blasting, I'm like driving on the Hudson. I can see the skyline or the bridge or whatever it is, and I'm like, this is cool, you know? And like. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, enjoy those things because I think there's. I think there's a reason why movies have those montages or have those songs and have those moments because it makes you, like, feel away. So when you can have those moments in your life, like. Yeah. Like, let it rip, you know?

Jessica Singleton (57:45)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (57:45)

I mean, there genuinely are people who are like, I would to be a 20 something girl living in the city, in New York City, in her own apartment, working at like a media company on the Internet. Like, that is my. I will kill someone to be that.

Jessica Singleton (57:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (58:00)

You know, and you're like, that's just my job and that's just what I do. And you're worried about that. You know what I mean? Yeah, but it. And that's totally like normal and natural too. But it's like there are people who want that and like, so embrace that a little bit. Don't take it for granted.

Jessica Singleton (58:16)

Even with like the Danny stuff, like, I can feel myself, like, being so, like, swept up in everything and like, talking about it with other people and like, I can hear myself just being like. But then I'm just like, just let, I don't know, just let yourself absolutely.

Kevin Clancy (58:33)

Get swept up in love. Like, if you're not going to get swept up when like, someone sweeps you off your feet.

Jessica Singleton (58:40)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (58:40)

What's the point?

Jessica Singleton (58:42)

Literally, what's the point?

Kevin Clancy (58:43)

Like now, should you be like, like, stupid and like, naive and like, I don't know, I. You let somebody walk all over you because you got, like, swept in love? No, but like, you know, obviously you still have to like, control the situation. But like. Yeah, that's the whole. That's the whole point.

Jessica Singleton (58:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (58:59)

Is to get swept off your feet by a person or a job or a moment or a thing. You know, it's like, if you're not doing those things, then like, literally what's the point of living?

Jessica Singleton (59:08)

Yeah. That being said, if I get too cringe or anything, you gotta reel me back. But like. Yeah, like that, bro, I'll tell you.

Kevin Clancy (59:14)

Right now, you're gonna marry Danny. You're gonna marry. You're gonna marry. You're gonna marry him one day. Not. Not saying soon. I'm just saying you guys are, It's a wrap.

Jessica Singleton (59:25)

Whatever happens, you're off the market, girl.

Jackie Feidelberg (59:26)

Just get swept.

Jessica Singleton (59:30)

I don't know, we'll see. Whatever happens.

Kevin Clancy (59:31)

But that is like, you know, I, it's also, that's a lot easier to do when you're younger, so, like, really enjoy those moments because, like, I don't know, there's, there's not like, sweep you off your feet moments, I think, when you get older and, or maybe actually I shouldn't say that because what I was going to say earlier about like, getting older is like, as a 40 year old, I look back on some of my decisions in like my 20s and some of the things I was thinking and going through, I'm like, boy, that was like stupid or ignorant or immature or whatever, you know?

Jessica Singleton (60:04)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (60:05)

But like, it also applies to like 35. Like, the difference between 35 and 40 is huge to me, but I feel like that 42 to 40 is going to be, you know what I mean? So, like, I do think it just keeps going, which kind of freaks me out.

Jessica Singleton (60:20)

What, what do you mean?

Kevin Clancy (60:21)

Like, I don't think you'll ever have life figured out.

Jessica Singleton (60:26)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (60:26)

You know, and that's a weird thought, but that's why it's better, I think. Just let yourself get swept up because it's like, you think, you know, and maybe two years from now you're going to feel the 100 opposite, you know, because whatever changed in your life, you know.

Jessica Singleton (60:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (60:40)

Like I, I, yeah. Even just from year to year, I'm like, I would not, I don't even worry about that anymore, you know, But.

Jessica Singleton (60:48)

I don't even know if life would be interesting if you did. Like, if you felt like you're like, all right, I made it, I'm good, whatever. And then you're just like, I have like 40 more years to live. 80, like, whatever. Like, wouldn't you kind of feel totally.

Kevin Clancy (60:59)

I mean, that that's also the.

Jessica Singleton (61:02)

But it is like an unsatisfying feeling to be like, I'm never gonna, like, feel there.

Kevin Clancy (61:06)

That's what I, I, I'm, I don't want to be complacent. I like to keep moving forward. I always want to, like, what's next? I'm a big believer in, like, there's always somebody more successful than you, richer than you, more popular than you, whatever. Like, you can always attain more, you know, but that, like, flies in the face of the idea of like, stop and smell the roses.

Jessica Singleton (61:27)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (61:28)

And I gotta, I gotta at least personally try to strike a Better balance of that, you know? Like, I don't know. If you had to be one extreme or the other, which would you rather be? The person who is a little bit complacent and, like, so maybe you don't reach your full potential because you're resting on your laurels, but every single day you, like, enjoy and. And you're like, this is good, you know?

Jessica Singleton (61:51)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (61:52)

Or. But then you look up when you're, like, 60, and you're like, man, I haven't really done much more than. Than this.

Jessica Singleton (61:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (61:57)

And you regret it. It's kind of like. It's almost like one lifestyle is. Is hedging against and fighting against having regrets down the road.

Jessica Singleton (62:05)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (62:06)

And the other lifestyle is like, I'm not gonna worry about down the road. I'm just gonna enjoy right now. And which. Which is better. Which is, you know, I mean, that's probably a personal decision.

Jessica Singleton (62:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (62:14)

Obviously, a balance is the best idea, but if you had to pick one, which would you pick?

Jessica Singleton (62:18)

Probably the ups and down, like, the fighting just for, like, entertainment purposes. Like, it seems like a little bit more, like, entertaining to shoot for something all the time. Yeah, but I.

Kevin Clancy (62:35)

Yeah, it's the swimming pool, man. I go back, it's. Life is a swimming pool. It's like, when I was. There was a time where I was like, having a pool is the coolest thing you can have.

Jessica Singleton (62:43)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (62:44)

And then you get a pool, and you're like, I haven't swam in my pool in six months. You know? And it's like, yeah, because you're on to the next thing that you really think is the most important, you know?

Jessica Singleton (62:53)

You know, I think I always grew up with a pool. Pool, so, I mean, I grew up with one, but, like. And I never learned how to swim, but I always acknowledged I always loved that pool because I was like, I could learn how to swim.

Kevin Clancy (63:05)

It's like America. It's going back to, like, the free speech. Yeah. I can. You know, I don't need to fight for this. Right. I just kind of have it. Yeah. My pool in my backyard.

Jessica Singleton (63:12)

Yeah, exactly. But. Yeah, so maybe if you could have some kind of, like, balance of that mindset of. I don't know.

Kevin Clancy (63:19)

Well, I also, you know, it's like, I. I go back a lot to, like, my early blogging days, and I used to say things with, like, such certainty and such arrogance, and it's like, you didn't know what the. You were talking about. And. But. But that's where it scares me that I'm like, my 50 year old self is gonna say that about my 40 year old self.

Jessica Singleton (63:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (63:39)

Like, I think I have some things figured out right now and I'm gonna learn. No, the. You do not. You know.

Jessica Singleton (63:43)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (63:44)

So. So then I go full circle. I'm like, well then just talk and say whatever you want because you're always a work in progress.

Jessica Singleton (63:51)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (63:52)

If you were to say, like, I'm only going to put out content and speak on issues once I have figured it out, you'll never do it because you never figured out, you know?

Jessica Singleton (63:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (63:59)

Like it's. Oh, you can always. You're always going to learn and evolve and change.

Jessica Singleton (64:03)

Yeah. I think I had like a friendship in high school and we would always fight like back and forth and like both of us were like so strong in our. Like, I could tell that she like knew that she. She really thought that she was right and I was like, I really think I'm right on this. But like, I almost feel like that reef did a good job of reframing mindset where like now I leave space for like that's.

Kevin Clancy (64:30)

That's what we're talking about with the politics.

Jessica Singleton (64:31)

Exactly.

Kevin Clancy (64:32)

It's. It's like people can't understand that. You know, Charlie Kirk said like, DEI hires are a bad idea. Whatever. Pick a topic. He did. And I think the problem comes in where it's like, do you actually believe that or are you just saying it like I said for all those other reasons. Money, fame, all that. Because if you're out there spewing like, dumb, and I know you're doing it because like, your podcast audience really likes you and you're gonna sell tickets because of that, then like you, you know.

Jessica Singleton (65:04)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (65:04)

But if like I, if you really feel like, like I really am passionate about like gun control, I really think we should do it. But if I could like tap inside someone's brain and they like genuinely feel like if we don't have the right to bear arms, like the government's gonn over and like the country's gonna fall apart. If you like actually feel that way.

Jessica Singleton (65:24)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (65:25)

You gotta kind of respect it, like, or not respect it, but like hold space for it or whatever the you want to say. Because it's like they think they're right. Even crazy fundamentalist terrorists. And it's like they. Those people believe this, so what do you expect from them? You know?

Jessica Singleton (65:41)

Yeah, I think it's like when there's also people who believe it, believe stuff. Like maybe because they. Well, I don't. I might cut this but, like, because they might be, like, inherently racist or something. Yeah, no, like, that's when I'm like, like, again, I think, like, there are people who actually genuinely think, like, oh, if we, like, you know, it's gonna be a domino effect, but when people, like, use it, A, to get tickets, and B, also there's, like, people who use politics to, like, push a.

Kevin Clancy (66:21)

Push a up agenda.

Jessica Singleton (66:23)

Yeah, exactly. Like, that's what I'm like.

Kevin Clancy (66:25)

No, totally.

Jessica Singleton (66:26)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (66:26)

But I think. I'm not saying you have to like it or just be like, oh, yeah, that's. That's your opinion. But I think you have to recognize that some people are saying those things because they really believe it just as much as you believe the opposite. And you can continue to argue against it and all that shit, but I think you. Your approach needs to change where it's just like, once. Once you realize that they really feel as passionately about one side as you do the other, it's going to change your argument, your debate, whatever it may be. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (67:00)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (67:00)

It's like, oh, wow, this is. I think you're just being, like, dumb and you, like, this is. Your brain is telling you. It's like. It's like that kid who failed the test. His brain is telling him that's the most important thing that's ever happened. It's like, I promise you it's not. But you can't just.

Jessica Singleton (67:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (67:14)

That's what's. You know, in relationships a lot, too. It's like, you can't tell someone their feelings are wrong.

Jessica Singleton (67:20)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (67:21)

It might be irrational. It might be illogical. It might be emotional and might be based on, like, an incorrect.

Jessica Singleton (67:30)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (67:31)

Fact or something, but that what they're feeling is. That's it. You know what I mean? Like, you can't. I always. That's why my. I have my. My long standing. I would love. If I could do one thing in the world, it would be to simplify breakups.

Jessica Singleton (67:49)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (67:50)

That's why if you just. I originally said pineapple was the emoji, and then that became pineapple just became the. The international sign for swinging. So it can't be pineapples. But, like, you're in a relationship with someone. If I send you the owl emoji.

Jessica Singleton (68:02)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (68:02)

It means we're done. Like, it means I. I've fallen out of love with you. I don't want to be in this relationship anymore. I don't want to hurt you, and I'm sorry I'm breaking up with you.

Jessica Singleton (68:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (68:13)

But Rather than go through this whole thing owl you go, I go, we're gone. And I know that's obviously not, like, healthy, and you can't do that, but I get a kick out of, like, I'm watching a show last night, and this guy's like, there's a breakup happening, and he's, like, arguing against her, you know?

Jessica Singleton (68:29)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (68:29)

Trying to, like, convince her to stay. And it's like, it's over, dude.

Jessica Singleton (68:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (68:34)

Like, you can't. No one's gonna be like, oh, you're right. I am back in love with you.

Jessica Singleton (68:38)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (68:39)

Because you argued your points. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (68:41)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (68:41)

Again, it would be something like, if you broke up with me because I cheated, and I was like, I didn't cheat. That's a different story. But if it's just like, I don't love you enough anymore, I feel like we're going in different directions. I feel like you're holding me back, whatever your reasoning is. And if someone's like, no, no, that's actually not true. Because of xyz. No one in the history of the world has ever been, like, you've convinced me. You're right. I am now back in love with you.

Jessica Singleton (69:01)

I don't know. I do feel like it's like, breakups. I feel like I've had a lot of friends who try and break up with people multiple times. So then it doesn't work because they're like, no, you shouldn't break up because, like, I'll, like, how'd it go?

Kevin Clancy (69:14)

You might, you might effectively keep the relationship. You might, like, win that argument, but no one's there. Yeah, that's why, that's why you break up on the second or third time, because the emotions don't actually change.

Jessica Singleton (69:24)

Yeah. You know, that's a good point.

Kevin Clancy (69:25)

I, I, you know, again, generalities. I'm sure there's a couple examples where, like, someone really didn't realize what they had, and, and then they do. And you're like, okay, you're right. But for the most part, once you've reached that point of no return, especially because it's usually like, I felt this six months ago, and I just built up the courage to say it now. You know what I mean? There's been problems, there's been issues. And I just think that the, the amount of strife and, and worry and hurt that breakups. Cause when it's, like, both people, by the way, it's like, you know, usually the dumper gets all the sympathy, but dumping someone's just as Shitty, you know?

Jessica Singleton (69:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (69:57)

In a different way.

Jessica Singleton (69:58)

And there's no, like, songs to help you through.

Jackie Feidelberg (70:00)

Very, very rare, you know, you don'.

Jessica Singleton (70:02)

Sorry for yourself.

Kevin Clancy (70:03)

That kind of goes back to what I'm talking about where, you know, when you really put yourself in someone else's shoes. If you could feel what they're feeling. You getting dumped, you're like, you're an. I'm the victim. This sucks the most for me. But if you could jump inside my brain, in my heart right now and feel that I am like, literally I'm agonizing over how much I'm gonna hurt you.

Jessica Singleton (70:20)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (70:20)

And I don't want to do it, but I do believe this is best for both of. And you could actually feel and understand that. I think you would breakups and the whole world would be a better place. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (70:30)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (70:31)

That's why I just like, send a send Done.

Jessica Singleton (70:33)

Yeah. And also by that point, normally most people know, you know, it's not surprising, you know.

Kevin Clancy (70:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jessica Singleton (70:39)

So I could see a world which. Whatever. Well, then that's also the whole point of breakups is like, you are being an. Like.

Kevin Clancy (70:45)

If you agree, whatever.

Jessica Singleton (70:47)

And like. But like, sometimes you got to be an. To, like, do what you gotta do.

Kevin Clancy (70:50)

I think also if I think, like, the notion of, like a soul mate or the one or thinking every. Your next relationship is your last because you're going to get married is like a very harmful way to go about it. If you went about work, if you went about relationships the way you went about, like, I don't know, something much more casual in your life where it's like, I do this sometimes, I do this other times, like, it comes, it goes, it's up, it's down, no big deal, you know?

Jessica Singleton (71:16)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (71:17)

I think we'd be better off. It's like dating is just something you do. And sometimes you do it for a week, sometimes you do it for a year, sometimes you go for five years, get married and break up. Like, all these things are just kind of like, it comes and it goes. I think people would be in a better spot, but I think they convince themselves that it has to be this person or they have to change this person or work on it. Like, I kind of think, like, sometimes I think if you're going to couples therapy, you just break up.

Jessica Singleton (71:41)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (71:41)

You know, if you have kids and extenuating circumstances and you really need to make it work or you're doing it, like, proactively, where it's like, there's a couple issues and we'd like to work on it before they become a big thing. Yeah, that's great.

Jackie Feidelberg (71:51)

But once.

Kevin Clancy (71:52)

It's like I need a mediator to try to work through the affair, the lies. You lost your job, you're an addict, you're dangerous, you're abusive. All these, like.

Jessica Singleton (72:02)

Yeah, just be done. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (72:04)

It's like you're just forcing a square peg in a round hole that's going to ruin your life.

Jessica Singleton (72:08)

I actually always think about the. There was. I got sent this multiple times because it's this train part, I guess, called a janny. Like a janny. Whatever. I forget what it's called, but essentially it's saying, like, the only reason, like, the reason that it's able to be so secure is because it's like, you know, I don't know how to at all describe it, but it's like basically attaching two cars, the thing that attaches two cars.

Kevin Clancy (72:40)

Okay.

Jessica Singleton (72:41)

And because it's so loose in grip with each other, like, that's why it's secure.

Kevin Clancy (72:50)

That's cool.

Jessica Singleton (72:51)

And I. And I think about that, like, with relationships is like, if you believe this is my soul mate, he balances me out in the exact perfect way, like we are yin and yang, then that's gripping too tight and that's like a little bit of fluidity deviate one way. Whereas if you're just kind of like. I don't know, like, I see, like, there's certain things that, like, I'm sure we don't agree on, but, like, nobody said we were perfect for each other. I'm happy.

Kevin Clancy (73:16)

That's a great. Yeah. It's like, you need to be able to bend but don't break.

Jessica Singleton (73:19)

Yeah, exactly.

Kevin Clancy (73:20)

Because if you. If you expect someone to just stay on this track the whole time and if they just go a little off, you, like, freak out.

Jessica Singleton (73:29)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (73:29)

But it's like, I'm coming back.

Jessica Singleton (73:30)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (73:31)

And that, you know, you have to. You have to basically put guardrails on, literally and figuratively, how far you can go one way or the other. There has to be some general understanding. But, yeah, like, like, you know, when. When. When I hear about, like, people who, like, usually it's men, it's women to men. It's like I changed, like, your. Your wardrobe and I change, like, you don't hang out with the same friends anymore and all that. It's like, you don't love that person. You love the person you're, like, molding and creating. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (73:58)

Yeah, Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (73:59)

I. I think. Yeah. If you if I think, I think people just put too much weight in relationships. In a way. It's like you let it, like, define your. Whether you're a success or a failure, you. Whether to find whether you're happy or sad. And it's kind of like, I think of it more. I was like, work. It's like some people have a job that they, like, really love, but for the most part, it's like something you just do and you have to make some money. And sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but, like, you find your happiness in other ways, you know?

Jessica Singleton (74:28)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (74:28)

I think it should just be, like, one of the ways you're finding happiness.

Jessica Singleton (74:31)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (74:31)

But it becomes, for a lot of people, like, the, the only thing, the way the, you know, the biggest and most important and only way to be happy. And it's like, well, you're putting all your eggs in that basket, and it's gonna evolve and it's gonna change and then what?

Jessica Singleton (74:44)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (74:45)

I like that, though.

Jessica Singleton (74:46)

The.

Kevin Clancy (74:47)

Keep the train on the track by letting it, like, wobble a little bit, you know, you need some wiggle room.

Jessica Singleton (74:52)

That's why I feel like opposites attract, because it's like, well, this shouldn't even work out. So I, it's kind of a. Just a bonus when it does work out.

Kevin Clancy (75:00)

But I mean, the idea too, like, I, I, I think if you believe in, like, an actual soulmate or something, you're like, there's 8 billion people in the world and you stumbled into this person who you believe is, like, karmically attached to you.

Jessica Singleton (75:20)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (75:20)

Not just that you lived in the same town and went to the same high school.

Jessica Singleton (75:23)

Yeah, exactly.

Kevin Clancy (75:23)

And like, or, you know, we work together and you fit what I like physically, and you're tolerable.

Jackie Feidelberg (75:29)

Like, that's really what it comes, you know?

Jessica Singleton (75:30)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (75:31)

It's like the thought that, you know, you have a soul mate and that you happen to find it. What if your soulmate lives in Australia? You're never going to see that person.

Jessica Singleton (75:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (75:40)

I think that that shit is so, so silly.

Jessica Singleton (75:43)

No, I, I think that's like, for some reason, Love island made me rethink this just because you could see the chemistry between two people. Like, it would be two really hot people talking to each other, but you could just see it just, like, wasn't working out.

Kevin Clancy (75:58)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (75:58)

And you could just. There's just different levels of chemistry with people that.

Kevin Clancy (76:03)

Well, Love Island's kind of the perfect example of the extremes. Like, I remember when Jeremiah and Hodo Were like fighting and I was like, these people have known each other for like five days and they're like ruining their lives over each other rather than just being like, peace.

Jessica Singleton (76:17)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (76:18)

What is it? I guess that's an ego thing or. I mean, I'm sure there's a million reasons why somebody is like, I'm staking my claim. It has to be this person and I have to convince them to like be with me or stay with me or whatever, rather than just being like.

Jessica Singleton (76:31)

All right, didn't work out cool. I'm.

Kevin Clancy (76:34)

That's why I'm telling you. If you, if you simplified the breakup, I think the amount of people who stay in relationships because they can't go through the breakup are. I bet you it's very, very high.

Jessica Singleton (76:44)

Oh, totally.

Kevin Clancy (76:45)

Like, I think about the divorce rate. I think, you know, people say it's like 56 or whatever.

Jessica Singleton (76:48)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (76:49)

It's probably another like 30 that wants to be divorced and is too afraid to do it or can't do it or religiously or family wise or whatever. Can't do it. So it's like, I think there's like.

Jessica Singleton (76:59)

15 of people are happily married.

Kevin Clancy (77:00)

I think the rest are either not married or want to be not married.

Jessica Singleton (77:04)

Yeah. I saw like an article or something that was saying that people like you shouldn't move in together until after marriage. Because if it's before marriage and before you've like made the final decision, like, I want to spend the rest of my life with this person. Now you're financially attached already and like now you have too much at stake. Stake where so many people are like, it's so much harder to break up with the other person because of the whole apartment living through this situation rather.

Kevin Clancy (77:35)

Than like, so, so their thought is like, stay independent because there's less stuff to get complicated.

Jessica Singleton (77:43)

Yeah. Like make the decision to spend the rest of your life with the person without any financial.

Kevin Clancy (77:51)

That I can understand. I don't know. I don't. I think I, I have to live with somebody before I marry them.

Jessica Singleton (77:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (77:57)

Because I, I think you have to live with somebody, have sex with somebody, and maybe that's really it that like.

Jessica Singleton (78:07)

You have to do first fight with somebody.

Kevin Clancy (78:09)

Yeah, I guess so.

Jessica Singleton (78:11)

Because I think that you need to know, like, how, how they fight. How they fight.

Kevin Clancy (78:15)

Yeah. But what if you just like have a really good couple years where you're not, like, you meet someone, you're not fighting and it's like, should you pick a fight? Should you wait for a fight?

Jessica Singleton (78:25)

You know what I mean? I don't like your hair today.

Kevin Clancy (78:27)

Yeah. Are you gonna, like, hit me if I say that?

Jackie Feidelberg (78:29)

Yeah, you gotta know.

Kevin Clancy (78:30)

Yeah, that, that's a good one. That I think most people will just, it'll just happen naturally. But if you were to, like, not end up fighting with someone, do you have to, like, hold off?

Jessica Singleton (78:40)

No. Then I guess, like, that's, that's good. That's really good.

Kevin Clancy (78:43)

It's just super probably not gonna happen and pretty rare and idealistic. But, but like, if, if you move in with someone and you are like, wait a minute, you eat this way, sleep this way, talk this way, act this way, like it's, none of it's compatible. Like you can't marry that person.

Jessica Singleton (78:58)

Yeah, but I feel like it's like at that point you've probably gotten enough. Maybe, maybe not. But you probably, I don't think, you know, you would know.

Kevin Clancy (79:05)

I, I think a big problem with, like, a lot of my opinion of divorce, at least, is like, everything else in life, you get to like, do and practice and try and fail and then marriage and kids, there's none of that. You're expected to marry and, and, and, and stay married and you're expected to, like, have a kid and, like, know what you're doing. Yeah. Everything else in life you like. It was my first job and I like it up. That was my starter house. That was my first attempt, whatever. And you, like, learn from your mistakes. And the idea is, okay, that's why you date and that's why you do move in with someone first. Or that's why, you know, you, you basically do everything except like, the ring and marriage, because then you basically get like, a preview of it. I think that like 90 of the time does work, you know.

Jessica Singleton (79:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (79:58)

If you're living with someone day to day, all the time, sharing everything, you're basically married. Hopefully when you propose and you move in and you live, you know, you're married, you, you, it stays the same. But I think, you know, you just don't know. You only know that person as your boyfriend or girlfriend. Like, you think you know them as your wife or husband until you don't. Like, I, I, I, I, I feel like I've seen enough, heard enough, and lived enough where it's like the ring changed things, having a baby change things, moving to the burbs change things. Where it's like, wait a minute, this is, oh, interesting, you know, and so that's why I, I think the, the bigger, the bigger, more like, important thing is to find somebody that you know you can evolve with. But that I. Is a hard thing to. It's like, it's easy to identify someone. Like, we have the same sense of humor. We have, we like the same entertainment, we like to go out or not go out. We like music, we like these things that we do and we enjoy each other's company. We. We like the sex is great. The. All that, you know, you can live that and experience that and know I like this. And I think most people do that and they're like, I hope it doesn't change, you know.

Jessica Singleton (81:12)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (81:13)

But when it does change, then what? And I, I think it's hard to like, identify in a person when, when things go differently, you'll still be somebody I like, you know?

Jessica Singleton (81:25)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (81:25)

If you, if you meet somebody and you have a bunch of money, it's like, would they still love you and be cool with you if you didn't have money? You can like, feel that out and get a gauge for it. But you don't know until you know. You know what I mean? And like, I think you're the person that I want to have kids with, but when the day comes and you're. You're pregnant and irritable and you're fighting, it's like, well, wait, I didn't know that was gonna happen. You know, whatever. I think trying to identify, like, you're really down with me.

Jessica Singleton (81:55)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (81:56)

And like, we will figure it out together no matter what is the most important thing. It's just also the hardest thing to learn and identify, you know?

Jessica Singleton (82:03)

Yeah. I like, I think a big thing for me is because I'm such a people pleaser and like, I have such a good fear of being a burden.

Kevin Clancy (82:15)

Where what I am with you, by the way, on that, like.

Jessica Singleton (82:18)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (82:19)

Not burning other people drives like a hundred percent of my daily decisions.

Jessica Singleton (82:22)

Exactly. And so I, and I. And I think about that, like, the thought of marriage and kids scares me a lot because I think the thought of having a kid to me feels first in. This is a bad way to think, but it feel. I already have the fear that it's going to be a burden on my husband and that I'm gonna be like, no, no, it's fine. You don't have to like, do anything. Like, I don't know.

Kevin Clancy (82:49)

I'll take care of it all.

Jessica Singleton (82:49)

Yeah, I'll take care of it all. So like my, I never was attracted to the bad boy because I was just like picturing my life down the road and being like somebody. Like, I, I need somebody who's Just like not gonna make me feel, feel like a burden.

Kevin Clancy (83:10)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (83:10)

And who's, who wants to do the things rather than like a bad boy? Like, I'd be like, oh, no, like I don't, like, I got you do whatever the, you want to please like him as much as possible. Whereas somebody like the, the most important factor like that I look for is are you like gonna be happy? Like, am I gonna. I don't know. I'm not explaining it well.

Kevin Clancy (83:31)

No, I mean that, that, that the people pleasing thing is a very good short term strategy and a horrible long term strategy. You know? Like, I, I feel like in my experience there was so many things that I bit my tongue on in this for the sake of like, I don't want to fight. I want you to be happy. I'll change, give in, whatever, you know. And in the short term that worked, but it all piles up, you know?

Jessica Singleton (84:01)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (84:01)

And you have to be able to say, like, if I don't speak up for myself now or establish that I want this to be different or tell you that this is the way I do things. Whatever it is, like in the short term that's going to cause a fight and maybe even a breakup. But then you probably should break up with that person. It's when you tell them that and they don't break up and they are cool with it, that it's like, okay, now you've learned a little bit that this is a person you can evolve with and grow with, you know?

Jessica Singleton (84:26)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (84:26)

And I, I learned that it's actually bad and immature to do. To do what I do. You know what I mean? It's sort of like love bombing. The same thing as love bombing. It's like it took me a while to realize that I was like, probably a love bomber. I don't think anything like crazy and extreme, but when I first met somebody and I like them, I would go all in, you know?

Jessica Singleton (84:51)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (84:51)

And I'm like being cute and we're texting and talking all the time and dates and sex and fun and attention, all that. In my mind I was like, that's a good thing. I'm like, that's what she wants. I'm being a good guy and being a nice guy and being a good boyfriend, whatever it is. But you realize you're just kind of like establishing some expectations and some boundaries and some like, ground rules that if you can keep that up, then like, great. You know what I mean? But when things like change a little bit, you have to kind of be prepared for that. Person to be like, what the dude?

Jessica Singleton (85:24)

Like, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (85:25)

Why, why are you so different right now? And it's like, oh, yeah. Like, I, I, I learned that that's, you know, actually detrimental to somebody.

Jessica Singleton (85:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (85:33)

And not just like, I'm being really nice and they need to figure out. It's like, no, be nice, but don't, don't establish, like, unrealistic standards for your relationship. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (85:41)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (85:41)

And I think that's kind of the same thing, like, people pleasing where you're not picking fights or not like, speaking your mind is rooted in the idea of, like, I'm doing this for this person, but actually you're doing a lot of damage to that person because you're.

Jessica Singleton (85:54)

It'S going to come out at some point.

Kevin Clancy (85:55)

Right.

Jessica Singleton (85:55)

And it's going to come out in, like a way that blindsides them.

Kevin Clancy (85:58)

Right. And, and like, I, I mean, I did it in the worst way of, like, if you do it in a relationship, fine, whatever, like, not great. But it happens. Once you're doing with marriage, you do with families and kids. It's like, you know, you really have to take that seriously in the beginning because even things that you think are maybe good or right are actually maybe wrong. Or at the very least, like, you're making, you're gonna make it difficult down the road.

Jessica Singleton (86:20)

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Kevin Clancy (86:22)

But that's, it's hard. You have to be like, a little bit selfish in life.

Jackie Feidelberg (86:27)

Like.

Kevin Clancy (86:27)

Yeah, sometimes being selfish is actually better for. And that's something that, like, a manipulative, like, narcissistic person would say and use that, like, to their advantage. But there is truth in that. Like, if you're not a piece of. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (86:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (86:39)

If you're just being like, I'm, I'm not being selfish. I'm being, like, honest. And I, like, no, you're being a selfish. You know, but there are, there are times where, like, honesty is absolutely necessary and it's going to hurt this person and you have to do it because, you know, you have to figure out whether you're going to last or not. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (86:56)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (86:58)

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Jessica Singleton (89:23)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (89:24)

How do you know that that, that that person is going to be cool with the new you and you're going to be cool with the new them. And I mean, that's again, you have to figure out the person that you can grow with.

Jessica Singleton (89:33)

But yeah, hard.

Kevin Clancy (89:34)

That's hard.

Jessica Singleton (89:35)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (89:35)

Everything else you're allowed to like, do and fail and up. I got fired, I blew my dream job. I whatever. And people are just like, ah, that's how it goes. But you do, you know, you do that with marriage or something and it's.

Jessica Singleton (89:49)

Like you, yeah, that's a good, that's a really good.

Kevin Clancy (89:53)

And then parenting, forget about parenting, is like everything in the world. You need a license, you need training, you need a degree, you need understanding. You could be the most, like, immature failure of a person. Can't provide, don't know what you're doing. You can pop out a kid.

Jessica Singleton (90:12)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (90:13)

You can't, you can't like, police it, you know, Then you, you can't tell people when they can and can't have kids. All of a sudden you're like China. But it does feel like there should be like, well, you can't do it yet. And there's a whole swath of the population. You shouldn't be doing this at all. You shouldn't be doing it yet.

Jessica Singleton (90:27)

You know, like, you like driver's license type thing.

Kevin Clancy (90:29)

Yeah, for real.

Jessica Singleton (90:30)

And, and they're so impressionable at such a young age when you're trying to figure everything out.

Kevin Clancy (90:35)

It's like that's when I'm stumbling through. It is when you need me the most.

Jessica Singleton (90:38)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (90:38)

It's like grandparents should almost. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (90:42)

Like, yeah, that's a good point.

Kevin Clancy (90:43)

I have the kid, you raise it, then I'll raise your.

Jackie Feidelberg (90:46)

Their kids.

Jessica Singleton (90:46)

I could say I'll pick it up after, you know, 18.

Kevin Clancy (90:50)

Well, you know, having a nanny is like, it's her job, you know, like, yeah, my nanny, like, takes it serious, like a job. And I always say to her, I'm always kind of like, you're, you're a saint. You know what I mean? She's like, but I get to go home at the end of the day. So, like, I, I take on this burden as my job. I get paid for it. I take it seriously, I work, I work hard and it's stressful, but it is my job that I go home at the end of the night and I don't have to worry about it, whereas you have to pick up the other side of things where. And so that kind of made me realize, but it's like, yeah, I think sometimes other influences in their life Are doing like the real raising. You know what I mean? Especially if you're going to be like, I gotta provide for you. It's hard to also be the one that's there every moment. And yeah, you know, it's like gotta wear many, many different hats.

Jessica Singleton (91:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (91:34)

Not easy.

Jessica Singleton (91:36)

I've thought about what you said about like. No. When you want to have like serious conversations with your kids, but you're just.

Kevin Clancy (91:41)

Like, I mean, how many times have you pushed off a serious conversation with anybody? Right?

Jessica Singleton (91:46)

So many.

Kevin Clancy (91:47)

And now I, I can do that with an 8 year old. I can push that on. Yeah. It's hard enough to do it. It's easy enough to do it with like an adult where you're like, oh, we'll do that later. It's like when it's a kid where you, you decide literally what's gonna happen, what's not gonna happen. It's so easy.

Jessica Singleton (92:02)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (92:02)

Push it off, you know?

Jessica Singleton (92:04)

You know what I. A fun fact that I learned the other day is the. So when you're up until seven years old, something about like your brain, that's when you're most impressionable. And when you like absorb the most and it like builds your foundation right before you go to. It's like the theta brainwave. Some. I don't. Okay, I'm not explaining it well. But the theta brain something state right before you go to bed and right when you wake up, your brain is in that theta state.

Kevin Clancy (92:32)

Okay, wait, what is the theta state is when you're.

Jessica Singleton (92:34)

It's just when you're motion press.

Kevin Clancy (92:35)

Okay.

Jessica Singleton (92:36)

And like everything. It's like the subconscious is kind of building.

Kevin Clancy (92:41)

So. So at 7, your theta is like the most impressionable. But then even as an adult, mornings and night is when your theta is impressionable.

Jessica Singleton (92:49)

Like right before you fall asleep. So like if you say stuff like to yourself, like if you're just like, I am really good at basketball. I'm really good at basketball. I'm really good at basketball. Like right before you're falling asleep, right.

Kevin Clancy (93:00)

When you wake up yourself into thinking that.

Jessica Singleton (93:01)

Yeah. Like then it kind of is the bet. That's when your brain's the most malleable. If you want to.

Kevin Clancy (93:07)

Like that makes sense. I think that makes sense. I, I feel like I. My night times are and mornings. So maybe this makes sense. Like I, I used to wake up in like the middle of the night in like a panic and I was trying to tell myself, I'm like, is that my honest brain talking or is that like I'm just Having a nightmare. And you don't need to worry about that. You know what I mean? Like, is, is. And I'm, I think, you know, you usually know the answer is like, I think this is my honest brain talking and I need to fix this problem. You know, but it's nice to be like, oh, no, that was just me, like, you know, at my most irrational. It's like, no, no, this is when you're really feeling it and thinking it, so you gotta address it. That, that, that makes sense to me. And did you see McConaughey's new latest thing? He, he went on the View and he said the key to his marriage is that he downsized his bed.

Jessica Singleton (94:02)

Oh.

Kevin Clancy (94:03)

He said, no bigger than a queen size bed.

Jessica Singleton (94:05)

Wow.

Kevin Clancy (94:06)

And there's, there's, I think, a couple reasons behind that, but the main one, and this makes total sense, is you don't have your kids in bed with you.

Jessica Singleton (94:15)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (94:16)

People who have a, a king sized bed, their kids sleep with them. They sleep with them too long, they're in bed way too old, and then it's just a burden on you and your relationship and all that. Which, that part makes total sense because I think your bed is like your home, you know? Like, I think at night, crawling into your. If you can't, like, crawl into your bed and be like, at peace, I don't think you'll have peace in your life. I think that will permeate through, like, everything in your life.

Jessica Singleton (94:44)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (94:45)

And, and I think so the idea of, like, if you have a smaller bed, your kids can't just jump in there with you. They don't want to sleep in there with you. And you. First of all, if you have like, kids in your bed constantly, you're not gonna have sex and that's gonna be a problem.

Jessica Singleton (94:58)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (94:58)

And then, but beyond that, it's like, I want to be comfortable, I want to be cozy.

Jessica Singleton (95:04)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (95:04)

I want to relax. And that's. I think when you, like, have conversations with your person, like, you know, like late at night, like, what's on your mind? Tell me. And you like, get it out. Or you, you know, have that conversation. You can't do that if you have kids running around or you're reading your book or you're even, you're on your phone or you put on your white noise or you put on the TV or whatever it is. Like you're in bed and it's good.

Jessica Singleton (95:27)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (95:27)

You know, and I think if you make your bed situation bad, I think it, like, will up everything they say.

Jessica Singleton (95:35)

Like, don't work in bed, don't eat in bed. Because it's, if you just want to.

Kevin Clancy (95:38)

Associate it with, with like relaxing. Yeah, I, I can definitely believe that. I mean, the kid thing is interesting. It's like. Oh yeah, yeah. Like I, I think what, what he's talking about and what I'm talking about here is like, when you have like a 12 year old in bed with you all the time, it's like, this is weird. There's a problem. You know, I, when you're in like the thick of it, when my kids weren't sleeping and like the only way I could get a couple hours of shut eye, it's like just coming back, you know, I would like, you go in there, you, you feed them, you rock them, you rub them, you sing to them. Hopefully that works. After a little while, if that doesn't work, we're going to bed, you know, that's just survival mode. I also like, my kids are 10 and 8. They sleep in their own bed, but every now and then it's like they want, it's almost like a sleepover. It's like going to camp, you know, like, can I sleep in your bed? It's like, yeah, fine. And usually I let them do that. There's, they're so big now that I tell them we're doing that and then I just like sleeping on the couch, you know?

Jessica Singleton (96:35)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (96:35)

But they get excited for it. You know, it's, the problem is when it's like almost a functioning adult being, like, okay, let's go to bed. They hop in with you. It's like that is going to affect a lot of things. So I, I, I agree with that. The other side of it though is I think the opposite. Like, I think when it comes to actually sleeping, you should have separate beds.

Jessica Singleton (96:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (96:58)

Separate rooms.

Jessica Singleton (96:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (97:00)

Like I am all for. I, I used to preach separate beds and separate dinner.

Jessica Singleton (97:05)

Yeah, right. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (97:06)

And then I ended up dorsed, so what do I know? But I do believe that like eating food and sleeping are like bodily functions that you need to take care of for yourself. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (97:19)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (97:20)

I, I've been in relationships where it's like, what are we eating for dinner? And it's like we, for some reason we have to eat at the same time and eat the same thing. And it's like, what if I'm not hungry and what if I don't like this thing? You know, we can order from two different places where you cook yourself some chicken. I'm gonna make myself a Burger. And I'm not hungry right now, so I'll eat in an hour. Like, I don't think that's crazy. Yeah, you know, I do understand the importance of like eating to like sharing a meal, like all that. So like, you do need to do those things, but I just don't think you need to like. No, I totally force it or whatever. You know what I mean? Or even like, I'm not hungry. You are, but I'll like sit with you while you eat and we can talk, like almost have like a dinner table discussion. I'm just not gonna eat.

Jessica Singleton (97:58)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (97:58)

You know, that's why I also hate when you're on like a date and it's like, oh, you're, that's all you're eating. Like I'm gonna feel like self conscious about what I'm eating. It's like, I'm not, I don't know, I'm not as hungry as you are.

Jessica Singleton (98:06)

Yeah, you're hungry.

Kevin Clancy (98:07)

I'm not. Like, that shouldn't be a point of stress or contention, you know? Yeah, and kind of the same thing with sleeping is like if you like at a certain temperature, you like the bed a certain way. I like firm, you like soft, I like hot, you like cold. I want a lot of pills. You want no pills. Like go to bed together, snuggle, hang out, talk. And then it's like, okay, it's time to now go to sleep. I'm going to my bed. Or at least I'm going to the other side of a king size bed. Not like we live in a queen or a full and we're like touching each other still.

Jessica Singleton (98:39)

You know, there should be like some kind of bed that splits off like senses when you are fall asleep and then splits off or like, like a.

Kevin Clancy (98:47)

Partition, like shoom, like a wall comes up or something and then, yeah, the morning zoom goes down. Good morning.

Jessica Singleton (98:52)

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Kevin Clancy (98:53)

I, I, I, I have since learned the importance of like, if you start eating dinner alone all the time, you start going to bed separately. Bad news, bad news. Not done. But it's just like you should, you should take a look at. Is that because you guys are just like very chill and everyone's, you can do their own thing. Or is it like I'm going to bed separately because I don't want to talk. Like I don't want to be around you. You know what I mean? Those are those two different things. But I have since learned that, you know, my, my crusade of separate beds and separate dinners comes with, with a little bit of a caveat where other things have to be in place and good. But I do find it funny that it's like, these are literally just, like, things your body needs to do.

Jessica Singleton (99:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (99:35)

At different times and different from different people.

Jessica Singleton (99:38)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (99:38)

Yeah. So. But that's all the stuff you, like, have to try to learn. That's why I think you have to live with somebody.

Jessica Singleton (99:43)

Yeah, that's a good point.

Kevin Clancy (99:44)

If we're gonna. If we are gonna eat together all the time and sleep together all the time, that's like, how our. Our relationships, at least, like, in this world work. Then you got to know how that person sleeps and eats and all those things.

Jessica Singleton (99:54)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (99:54)

I mean, the cr. Have you seen the show on Hulu, the virgin show? It's called. What's it called? Do you know the name of it? Yeah, it's like, it's not. Are you the one? Because that's a different show. But it's like, are you my first? Or something like that. And it's like 20 virgins all on a show together.

Jessica Singleton (100:11)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (100:12)

And they all have their different reasons. One girl was like, medical. Like, there's a hot chick who's like. Has some sort of. Some sort of. I don't want to say disease, but like, a situation where, like, anything entering her vagina hurts her. She's like, I. I can't. I can't use tampons. I can't. Like. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but. So she's like. The thought of, like, sex is, like, scares me. So then there's. I think there's a guy who's just like, I just haven't gotten laid. You know, they're all different variations of why they're. Why they're virgins. I can't imagine. I just can't imagine being. If you're. If you don't have a medical problem and you are. You can get laid. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (100:54)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (100:54)

Like, it would take a disaster of a situation for you to not be able to get laid. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (100:58)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (101:00)

And you just, like, don't do it for religious reasons or whatever. Like, I just can't imagine that. That, to me, is so crazy.

Jessica Singleton (101:07)

Yeah. I.

Kevin Clancy (101:09)

And then especially get in a relationship with someone, be like, what if. Yeah, we. Okay, we got married. We live separately, didn't have sex. We got married. We move in together. We. We. Our living styles completely clash. And, like, you're terrible in bed. Now what? Yeah, now what the. Do you do?

Jessica Singleton (101:28)

Yeah, I. I think. But I Think, like, as. Yeah. Wait, sorry, I missed the first part, though. Is this a show? That's.

Kevin Clancy (101:38)

Yeah. So there's a show. It's. It's my first. Are you my first.

Jessica Singleton (101:41)

Yeah, got it. Okay.

Kevin Clancy (101:42)

And there. I actually. I only watched, like, the first episode or two, so I didn't really get into, like, what, like, the challenges are, how the voting works or any of that. But I do know I saw one girl on a podcast that the guy she linked up with just lied. And I was like, that was my first question. It's like, these guys are lying, you know, Especially if you think that. That this is going to be the next Love island and you could become famous or something. And it's like, all I got to do to get on the show, because I can't imagine the applicant pool was that big.

Jessica Singleton (102:08)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (102:08)

Like, okay, we have adult virgins who are.

Jessica Singleton (102:11)

They're all Want to be known.

Kevin Clancy (102:14)

Want to be known as that. And they're all, like, mostly conventionally attractive. Like, I'm sure you can go find a lot of versions who are horribly overweight or deformed or something terrible like that.

Jessica Singleton (102:24)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (102:24)

These are, like, normal people. Hot girls attract, like, guys who, like, of high enough value that women would want them, you know?

Jessica Singleton (102:31)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (102:32)

And they all were like, no, we just never had sex.

Jessica Singleton (102:36)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (102:36)

I don't think I believe any of them.

Jackie Feidelberg (102:37)

I don't think I believe any of them.

Jessica Singleton (102:40)

I feel like, for me, I don't have any interest in having sex until I am actively. Like, I need to be like. Like, it's like an engine where I need to be consistently having sex to have, like, normal, like, hormone okay levels. But if not, I could go long periods of time, like, not having sex. And like, even, like, I think in high school, it was more like a stigma thing, losing, I'm sure.

Kevin Clancy (103:09)

Yeah. Yeah. That's. That's where I think the experience for guys and girls is, like, wildly different, too, you know?

Jessica Singleton (103:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (103:15)

Like, that's what. When girls are like, I love sex, like, just as much as a guy. I'm like, sure, there are cases where that's the case, but, like, in general, I think there's a pretty big disconnect there. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (103:27)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (103:27)

I think a girl, if she's not comfortable having sex with someone or doesn't want to, whatever, can just, like, stop, and it's fine.

Jessica Singleton (103:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (103:33)

Whereas a guy, even if, like, you don't, like, if you're not having sex, you're trying to change that.

Jessica Singleton (103:43)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (103:43)

You know what I mean? You might not succeed. And you might be like, oh, my God, it's been a year, but not for lack of trying, you know, Whereas a girl, I think in certain situations, you're like, I'm good. I don't need this. And I think that's a big. There's a big difference. Like, that's another thing if. If guys and girls can walk a mile in each other's shoes, where it's like sex dynamics and cheating and monogamy and relationship behavior and all that. It's like, I think if I could understand how you view sex and you could understand how I view sex, like, we would be on the same page a lot more.

Jessica Singleton (104:15)

I think when I'm on my period, I am like, oh, this must be what it feels like. Like, it's on top of mind a lot.

Jackie Feidelberg (104:23)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (104:24)

More.

Kevin Clancy (104:24)

And if that was every single day. And then you factor in things like the stigma of, like, if you're not having sex, you're not cool. You're not. You're not a value. You know what I mean? Then. So there's a lot of pressure and weird that goes on with guys, especially at their impressionable age. But my favorite story, I don't even know if it's real or not, but there's, like, an Internet thing goes viral every now and then. There's a girl who transitioned to a guy and took hormones and testosterone and changed her appearance and lived like a guy and went back. She was like, this is terrible. Like, she was like, I don't know how you guys do it. Like, you're walking around with a loaded gun. Your brain is all up. Testosterone is raging. People don't treat you this way. They expect this from you, like, at all. She got to, like, walk a mile on the other half. And she was like, this sucks.

Jessica Singleton (105:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (105:13)

And I mean, that's, you know, dramatic. And I know, like, at the end of the day, there is, like, no better position than to be, you know, a. An American white male. Like, you got so many doors open and so much opportunity, and all that shit's true. But also, if you, you know, jumped inside this house of horrors for a little bit, I think you'd understand, like, oh, that's why he did that or said that or believes that or acts like that, you know?

Jessica Singleton (105:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (105:40)

That's where I think a lot of differences inherently come from. It's just very hard to, especially once you live for a while, if you're not constantly putting yourself in positions to, like, learn more or be challenged or whatever. You just, like, fall into Your way of life. And I, and I think you expect everyone else to kind of feel that way too. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (106:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (106:02)

It's like you just expect, if a woman just. I expect this guy to, like, treat me this way and, and be this and be that and when he's not, like, you can't wrap your head around why not? But it's like if you were to see things from their point of view, you would get it, you know, kind of, that's, I guess that's kind of the theme of the whole episode. To go back to politics and all that is like, you have to really try to see things from the other side, not just like, say it, like, do it and like, get it, you know?

Jessica Singleton (106:30)

Yeah. Like a trust that the person has their, yeah. Their, like, emotional connection to their. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (106:38)

Right, right. So that is kind of, I mean, the, I don't know if the queen size bed is the answer, but it's, I understand that notion of like, you know what he's talking about there.

Jessica Singleton (106:51)

Yeah, that's a, I, the queen size bed thing, that was, that makes sense.

Kevin Clancy (106:55)

I, I, I get it. For the kids, the rest of it, I'm. Give me a double California kid.

Jessica Singleton (107:01)

Fluffy pillows.

Kevin Clancy (107:02)

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Jessica Singleton (108:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (109:00)

Wait, Mr. Portnoy? Mike Portnoy. Cousin Mike has said a lot of things over the years. A lot of silly takes, crazy takes, whatever you want to call it. This might be the most bonkers. First of all, he said that he has not used his George Foreman grill since George Foreman died, okay. And he said that as if, like, everybody would have, like, retired their George Foreman Grill, okay. Because the inventor and the spokesman of it died. Which I just. I don't quite get that.

Jessica Singleton (109:32)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (109:33)

Imagine if you were just like, you know, like, Steve Jobs died. Steve Jobs dead. I can't do that anymore.

Jessica Singleton (109:40)

Sorry. He's out of respect for, I think.

Kevin Clancy (109:42)

So I only saw the clip, so I didn't get, like, the whole. But he was sort of just like, I haven't used it since he died. And. And the guys were like, should I stop using mine, too? And he was sort of like, yeah, he's dead now. As if that was a totally normal thing. And then he said. He said he doesn't use his George Foreman girl. Oh. And that he was just like, I thought George Foreman was never gonna die. I kind of get what he says. Like, I just thought he was indestructible and, like, so, like, strong that I can't believe he died. But the first statement was sort of like, I just. I never thought that man was gonna die. Everybody does, bro. It was. It was a truly great clip that I feel like, you know, obviously Mike Portnoy is very inside the barstool bubble. So I think barstool fans are gonna see that and love that. But that. I was like, this almost should be, like, viral. Viral where it's like this man retired his George Foreman girl because George Foreman died is one of my favorite.

Jessica Singleton (110:30)

Think that George Foreman was gonna die.

Kevin Clancy (110:32)

Just that all time. What a character that man is. He's one of my favorite.

Jessica Singleton (110:36)

Alligators like not die. Pretty sure they don't. They just get so hungry that they like.

Kevin Clancy (110:44)

I've heard that. I've heard that like no, it's an alligator or like a rabbit or some animal is like none of them have died from natural causes. They always, it's always just like from being too. I'm just gonna do. Alligators don't die. Let's see what happens.

Jessica Singleton (111:01)

Okay, wait, hold on.

Kevin Clancy (111:02)

Statement. Alligators don't die is a myth. No. No kidding. But let's see. Some alligators have reached a hundred years old. I don't know if I believe that. But yeah, that, that is, that is the, the thought is that alligators and crocodiles don't die of old age. But it's injuries or diseases or starvation. But I mean, okay, like that's. You could say that about like the vast majority of humans too. It's like, oh, you died of cancer. That's dying of old age. Basically.

Jessica Singleton (111:38)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (111:39)

Like how many people truly are like, I'm 90 years old. I went to bed and I just didn't wake up because my, my body stopped.

Jessica Singleton (111:45)

Okay.

Kevin Clancy (111:45)

That's pretty rare, right?

Jessica Singleton (111:48)

I think, Yeah, I, I think that you actually have a good point on that. What, what I had heard the rumor, the alligator rumor I'd heard was and I, I guess that this isn't right. But like they eat so much and then they just can. They're like stretch their stomachs and then they continue to get hungry and hungry and hungrier until they just like can't find enough food to like satisfy them. So they just end up starving themselves and dying.

Kevin Clancy (112:11)

You know who that's going to happen to? John Feidelberg.

Jessica Singleton (112:13)

Yeah. Seriously? Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (112:14)

Feidelberg's eating, sleep eating to the point that he is raising his like body's like eating habits to a level he can't keep up with.

Jessica Singleton (112:21)

Sucking on brownies.

Kevin Clancy (112:22)

Sucking on brownies is crazy work. That, that the amount of people reached out to me being like this, that clip is crazy.

Jessica Singleton (112:31)

Might be one of my new favorite clips.

Kevin Clancy (112:33)

Deep throat in a frozen brownie. Just licking it. Yeah, that was crazy. Also at the barstool world last week, Ella made waves when she, she said that she spent $70,000 her like senior year of, of college because she had her parents credit card and we're Just putting, like, tables and bottles on it. Can't knock the hustle, man.

Jessica Singleton (112:57)

Can't knock. No. And she, she's like, sorry, I'm, I'm no, bro. She's the best.

Kevin Clancy (113:02)

I, I also, like, I mean, shout out to, you know, Papa, Ella, whatever his name is, cuz. He, he apparently has done well.

Jessica Singleton (113:12)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (113:13)

Like, I, I, I'm thinking, like, I've done pretty well for myself. Like, if I found out that Shay dropped 70 grand, like, I, I would be, like, livid, you know?

Jessica Singleton (113:21)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (113:21)

I don't know if he was just like, ah, please don't do that, honey. Or if it was like, I'm going to rip your head off, you know? But that, that is a wild one. I mean, 70 grand, like, if you're dropping, like, 10 grand in college, you're like a billionaire. You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (113:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (113:34)

If you're like, yo, tables on me and all that, I'd be like, you must be the richest person alive again.

Jessica Singleton (113:39)

Four girls. So it's like he's doing that. They all. Credit cards. They all.

Kevin Clancy (113:44)

I didn't know that part of it. That's crazy. Four daughters. God bless that guy.

Jessica Singleton (113:48)

Yeah. He might be the richest man.

Jackie Feidelberg (113:50)

He better be. He's either the richest of the poorest.

Kevin Clancy (113:53)

I don't know if all four of them are spending 70 grand a year on just partying. I, I don't know if there's enough money in the world. It's like alligators. They're like alligators.

Jessica Singleton (113:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (114:00)

They just keep consuming until you can't provide for them anymore. It's like, I don't have enough money to give you what you want, Ella, because you're an alligator with a stomach expanding.

Jessica Singleton (114:08)

Wait, so, but 70. Let me, let me think about this, though. So it's nine months, you're in school, right? 70 grand. I was trying to figure out how much.

Kevin Clancy (114:14)

Don't try to justify this. That's like 8,000 bucks a month.

Jessica Singleton (114:18)

That's, That's a lot. That's a lot. Does that include, like, rent?

Kevin Clancy (114:25)

No. I don't know. I took that as she was saying, like, when the, when the, when the crowd, when the friend group was down and bored and, like, not going out, I would be like, let's go to the club table on meat to, like, rally the troops. Yeah, I don't think that was like, I, you know, it's my meal plan and my rent and stuff. I think that was, like, strictly partying. I think she had, like, an emergency credit card, and then she was just using It. For partying and non emergencies, which is, yeah, a recipe for a disaster.

Jessica Singleton (114:53)

But that's.

Kevin Clancy (114:54)

But I mean, you got. Or. Or maybe, maybe, maybe, like, I. I feel like I could have, like, a billion dollars in. If I found out, like, my kid was just spending 70 grand on. On partying, that I would be like, hey, you can't do that. It's not really about the money.

Jessica Singleton (115:06)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (115:07)

Oh, I. I pulled them. I pulled a move last night with money. So the Mets are, like, killing me.

Guest Comedian (115:13)

Right.

Kevin Clancy (115:14)

And last night, when are they not? What?

Jessica Singleton (115:16)

Actually I said last year. Actually not. But I said, when are they not this year.

Kevin Clancy (115:20)

Yeah. Yeah. But this year specifically is, like, particularly stressful. They're about to blow it. Last night, like, off the rip, they're down 5, 1. And I was just beside myself. I was like, I can't believe how much this is affecting me. Like, it's really, really affected me. I'm, like, in a bad place.

Jessica Singleton (115:36)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (115:37)

Because it's not just like, it's the Mets, but then it just, like, triggers everything. It's like a floodgate that then I just start thinking about all my problems and I start fighting with people and, like, all that. Like, I am. I'm like, absolutely off of Twitter. Like, truly, really mean at this time, where I was like, I'm just never going back. There's just nothing but bad there, you know?

Jessica Singleton (115:52)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (115:52)

Because so all these things were, like, affecting me. So I was down and I decided I'm going to pay a bunch of my bills right now. Oh. Things that I've been putting off, things that I needed to pay were past due because I just, like, didn't want to do it. Couldn't do it. Couldn't bring myself to do it. So I was like, all right, the Mets are losing. I'm spiraling. Let's go all bad. Let's pay all the bills. Because either I'm already in a bad mood tonight.

Jessica Singleton (116:21)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (116:22)

I might as well just, like, get this out of the way when I'm already feeling bad.

Jessica Singleton (116:25)

Free logic.

Kevin Clancy (116:27)

So last night I paid $50,000 worth of bills. I had to pay taxes.

Jessica Singleton (116:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (116:34)

On my house and, like, property. I had to pay off the remainder of the tree removal company, which I had been putting off, like, quite a bit.

Jessica Singleton (116:44)

That was. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (116:44)

A long time ago now. I had to pay Shay's dance bill, which, by the way, her dance is, like, $10,000. It's like. It's insane.

Jessica Singleton (116:53)

Kids. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (116:54)

Add all that up and it was like, 50 grand. And I am not. I'm still Like, I, I. I made my money with barstool, but it's still, like, just new to me.

Jessica Singleton (117:08)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (117:08)

I mean, so, like, again, like, Like, I just said, if I had a billion dollars, I still would be like, hey, you can't spend 70 grand partying. Like, dropping 50 grand. Just be like, here's bills.

Jessica Singleton (117:17)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (117:17)

Is still something I'm not really.

Jessica Singleton (117:19)

Especially on bills. It's like seeing there's no value.

Kevin Clancy (117:23)

Taxes and a tree that I didn't even. And the, the thing with the, With Shay is, like, there's value out of that. Like, I think it's insane how much your dance costs, but, like, I never want to be. I would never want to be, like, you can't do that because it's too expensive.

Jessica Singleton (117:34)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (117:34)

She's having a great time. Whatever. Mets came back and won.

Guest Comedian (117:40)

Oh.

Kevin Clancy (117:40)

Didn't care about my bills anymore. Oh, my plan worked.

Jessica Singleton (117:43)

That's brilliant.

Kevin Clancy (117:44)

Brilliant. It was either like, I'm gonna be pissed, so just be pissed and, like, sit in it and wallow in it.

Guest Comedian (117:51)

Or.

Kevin Clancy (117:53)

I was like. And I really never even considered they were going to come back and win. They win 9 to 7. Big home run at the end. I'm cheering, I'm excited. I'm texting the boys. We're happy. Doesn't even matter. They lost 50 grand last night.

Jessica Singleton (118:06)

Wow.

Guest Comedian (118:08)

Maybe it's because.

Jessica Singleton (118:09)

Maybe it's because once you paid off all the bills, you as a fan had so much, you know, a weight was lifted off your shoulder that there is a part of that the fan base can feel that the team can feel that.

Guest Comedian (118:20)

Oh.

Kevin Clancy (118:20)

Oh, okay. So you think that. Actually, I. I might have. Maybe the wind was on me.

Jessica Singleton (118:24)

The win might have been on you.

Kevin Clancy (118:26)

Oh, okay. I. I was thinking it was more. There is a. Like, you know, these are some bills that I've been putting off and, like, getting, you know, getting rid of it, paying off your credit card. Like, there is a weight, you know, off your shoulders whether or not that actually impacts my favorite baseball team. I mean, last night there was a good piece of evidence, but it does.

Jessica Singleton (118:44)

Evidence to prove that it does.

Kevin Clancy (118:47)

That might be my new system.

Jessica Singleton (118:48)

Yeah. You just keep paying off bills for no reason.

Kevin Clancy (118:51)

Okay. And then the last thing from the barstool world was the. The Big T contract situation, where it pretty much boils down to there's some nuance to it, but more or less, Big T said to Dave Portnoy, if Nikki smokes and Mincy make xyz, I should make at least that. Or. Or I should make more than that or whatever his exact argument was. He then went on. So it was an unnamed person. Dave put it out there anonymously. Big T owned up to it and said it was me. And then he went on to explain the further story of he. He asked Dave, can we talk about my contract? And Dave said, no, I don't have time right now. And that's when Big T should have just shut it down. But in an effort to try to, like, do it quickly and expedite it, he was like, okay, it'll only take two minutes. If this guy. If these guys make this much, I should make that much, too. And that's his reasoning for it, at least. This is not a good idea. I would. I would recommend against this in almost any situation, but, like, certainly here, it's just you never. You can't compare yourself to other people, really, unless, you know, there's, like, a direct, like, correlation. I can understand using that as, like, a negotiating tactic or like a. You're just asking for clarity or what's my role? Or, you know, we do the same exact thing sort of thing, but, like, at barstool, like, can you quantify Mincey's value that every, like, six months he's gonna do something.

Jessica Singleton (120:15)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (120:16)

So boneheaded that it. It creates, like, a. A memorable joke storyline, a day worth of content for Dave and all that. Like, there's some value in that. I don't know.

Jessica Singleton (120:26)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (120:27)

Like, I don't know how to quantify that. It's like you work hard every day and you write blogs and you post this and you do that and it's all good. But you. But once or twice a year, you don't have this moment that everybody latches on to.

Jessica Singleton (120:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (120:39)

And Mincy does it unintentionally, but he does.

Jessica Singleton (120:42)

He does.

Kevin Clancy (120:42)

It's like the time people talking, the time that he opened up that. That present, that bobblehead in front of the. When he's sitting courtside and, like, Styrofoam was just going everywhere, and it was, like, stuck on his face and in his hair. Like he wasn't trying to be funny.

Jessica Singleton (120:55)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (120:56)

But it was.

Jessica Singleton (120:57)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (120:57)

You know, and. And the Nikki Spokes thing, I don't really get. Nikki Spokes was front and center all summer.

Jessica Singleton (121:02)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (121:02)

On one of the biggest shows we.

Jessica Singleton (121:03)

Did, he, like, produces his own stuff.

Kevin Clancy (121:06)

Like, when. His own content he does, like, work hard at. And he even said it himself, he's like, I haven't, like, found success yet. I haven't sold anything yet. Like, so, like, that. That. That still is there, but, like, he's part of Beach House. He's always in the mix. Again, that's almost a little bit unintentional, too, because sometimes he's just like, I was the. Like I said something. Like, I was. I was a douchebag. And now Dave is saying I'm a douchebag or whatever it is. But it's like you're making things happen.

Jessica Singleton (121:32)

Intentionally or unintentionally happened because of him.

Jackie Feidelberg (121:35)

That.

Kevin Clancy (121:35)

Yeah, that. That one I give him full credit for. But just there are other times where it's just like, he said something young, dumb, stupid, whatever, and it. And it becomes a talking point. And then there's content. Did he mean to do that or was that, like, his content? No, but he inspired that or was a part of that. And, you know, same thing. Like, Nate is a great example of, like, he does his work. But then, like, the spider monkey sagas are what, like, Nate's true memorable moments are, you know.

Jessica Singleton (122:00)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (122:01)

And there are just different ways that people provide at this company. And it does get a little bit hairy and it does get a little bit convoluted and hard to understand where it's like, so he. He's just, like, unintentionally funny, but makes this much. And then I have to, like, bust my ass. But it's like, I don't know, kind of. Yeah, it's the same thing as, like, sports. It's like, that guy does not. I'm. I'm first in and last out, and I practice hard and I do all these little things. Like, I don't know, that guy's got, like, a better jump shot than you and can run and jump faster, so you work harder. But he, you know, so there's talent, there's luck, there's unintentional consequences. Consequences. There's different ways to quantify value. All that goes into the mix. And then on top of it, life's not fair. Like, throw all of that. And then also. Yeah, there's always going to be someone at your work where you go, that guy makes more than me. Like, what the. That's just a universal thing that happens. I do think this is also an example of why, like, almost everybody needs an agent, though. Because if an agent comes to you with comparables, that's just like business. That's negotiation. Like, here's the market standard. Here's your. What other employees doing something similar make. This is what he deserves. That's his job. When you do it, now you're throwing a co worker under the bus. You're presuming that the boss. You know more than the boss.

Jessica Singleton (123:17)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (123:17)

All that. An agent does that. And Dave says, I hate that agent.

Jessica Singleton (123:21)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (123:21)

That's his gig.

Jessica Singleton (123:22)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (123:23)

So that's where it. But I told Gaz this and I don't think we. We could do this or. I don't know who would sign up for it or if we're allowed to. But like, if there was a show called like Contract Renegotiation. Yeah. Renegotiating contracts with Dave Portnoy.

Jessica Singleton (123:38)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (123:39)

It'd be the most watched thing. If you had watching like Clemmer and Nate and people come to me and like talk about their contract and like the preparation that goes into that conversation and then that conversation happening and Dave's reaction and other people's reaction and whether or not you get it in the end would be one of the most watched shows on the Internet. Once people. Because I think people are just interested in the inner workings and the mechanisms of Barstool. Anyway. Once you learned how scared people are, how stressed people are, how. How much they care and want and like the arguments they make and the negotiations they bring to the table, like, it's all very fascinating, but especially here, it's crazy.

Jessica Singleton (124:20)

That might be the. Actually you so right. The most watched things. And then I could see like confessionals after being like that didn't go well.

Kevin Clancy (124:26)

That be so funny if there was a moment like Rico Bosco like, I need a 25 raise. And Dave being like, you're. You're getting a pay cut.

Jessica Singleton (124:32)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (124:33)

And then it just cuts the Rico being like that. Well, that didn't go well. Like, that would be unbelievable.

Jessica Singleton (124:38)

And everyone in front of Dave, like, no matter what you think going in, whatever you like, he's so scary and intimidating that like I feel like everyone breaks down. Like the difference of the confessional before being like, this is my plan. I'm going to say this, this, this.

Kevin Clancy (124:51)

And then, you know, it'd be like those things where it's like, this is me before the party and me after the party.

Jessica Singleton (124:55)

Exactly.

Kevin Clancy (124:55)

This is me going into my negotiation. You're like smiling and afterwards you're like, oh, my God.

Jessica Singleton (124:59)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (124:59)

But you could also catch Dave like on a day where he like won a bet and like the Internet likes him and he's like, yeah, okay, fine. You know, you never know what you're gonna. Now if it was he was doing content around it. That's the other part is he would make content out of it. So you would never get an easy negotiation, because he'd always be. But I'm telling you that that's a billion dollar. Yeah, it's a shark. Shark. But for your. For your human value.

Jessica Singleton (125:20)

It's like sharks in your family.

Kevin Clancy (125:22)

How about you give me $500,000 for, like, 50% of me is a human?

Jessica Singleton (125:27)

Yeah, yeah. You also need, like, a Barbara Walters, I guess, or whoever is the nicer one of this. Like, you need Dave, but then you need.

Kevin Clancy (125:35)

You need a good cop, bad cop. That's part of the dynamic is that, like, how many places have, like, the CEO owner handle, like, every negotiation like that. Like, you sign off on some things, but to be like, you got to go to the table, you know, if you were at Apple, you had to go to Steve Jobs. If you're at J.P. morgan, you're talking to Jamie Dimon. You know, you're going to, like, major. Not many people have to do that. So it is a fascinating little wrinkle within the barstool world. I. And I. Now I'm interested. Like, what happens with Big T. Like, yeah, did. Did he get his ask by doing this? He just created value. Like.

Jessica Singleton (126:10)

Yeah, yeah. It was almost like a miny.

Kevin Clancy (126:15)

So maybe now you deserve mincing money because you got. You. You just minced yourself. Yeah, there's. There's all this place. There's always, like, a leak. There's always. People always know everybody's salaries. Like, there's one person upstairs who tells somebody in content, and that person goes. I mean, people used to know everybody's numbers. And, hey, she's making that. How come he makes that? And vice, you know?

Guest Comedian (126:38)

Really?

Kevin Clancy (126:38)

Oh, at least for a little while now I. I'm pretty, like, checked out. But I. I guarantee you, you know, some of the gossip queens out there for sure know it. I think during the pen years, it was very, like, I'm negotiating with Penn.

Jessica Singleton (126:52)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (126:52)

Some people were, like, throwing out their numbers and, like, I think it was a little easier to talk when it wasn't, like, you talk directly to Dave or, like, you felt it was more of a secret, you know?

Jessica Singleton (127:02)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (127:03)

And I think some of those numbers were, like, inflated because Penn was in growth mode and they were just, like, throwing out. One of my biggest, like, regrets is I signed a contract before Penn and then had to renegotiate right after.

Jessica Singleton (127:12)

Oh, really?

Kevin Clancy (127:12)

I never got a pen deal.

Jessica Singleton (127:14)

Damn.

Kevin Clancy (127:14)

Where I. Because if I sit down with Dave, I'm like, I want to be fair. I want to get paid, but it's got to, like, make sense. If I Sat down with like, someone like Pen, I think I'd be like, yeah, $5 million a year. Yeah, maybe.

Jackie Feidelberg (127:28)

Are you gonna say yes?

Kevin Clancy (127:29)

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I just throw whatever against the wall. I never got the chance to do that, I think.

Jessica Singleton (127:32)

But I think Minty and Nikki make like 100, maybe 100. I'm sure it's more by now. I'm sure.

Kevin Clancy (127:40)

Like that. I don't know. I'm not. I'm not totally sure on that one.

Jessica Singleton (127:42)

Yeah. And then I think that I thought that I was. I don't know, I. Then I thought that somebody said, big T makes 100.

Kevin Clancy (127:49)

You know, it's interesting too, is like 100 grand is still has this like, six figures has this, like, value in America, you know, and for sure, I mean, you make 100 grand, you're making like, way more than 99% of the people and all that. But it. It also doesn't go the distance like it used to. You make 100 grand in new York City, like, you're not.

Jessica Singleton (128:10)

You're not.

Kevin Clancy (128:11)

You're not killing it.

Jessica Singleton (128:11)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (128:12)

You're not doing well. You're not even, like, comfortable.

Jessica Singleton (128:14)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (128:15)

So that shift almost needs to occur where it's like, six figures is good, but if you're living in like, a major city and you're doing major work, like, it's really not.

Jessica Singleton (128:24)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (128:25)

What do you. What you think it is with inflation and all that sort of too, so.

Jessica Singleton (128:29)

Well, I was just saying, like, I think that they are actually all on par with each other. Yeah. It makes it a little worse that he. He. Cuz I was like. I was like. I could see myself, like, kind of sounds like he's flustered and he's like.

Kevin Clancy (128:42)

He'S got to be twice me. But it's like, if you're all like, in the 100 range, why are you throwing these guys under?

Jessica Singleton (128:47)

Yeah. Like, it sounded like. Well, I don't know. I didn't. I. I don't know. I actually didn't hear his apology. And apparently his apology was good. Made sense.

Kevin Clancy (128:52)

I also just. It's very difficult. Like, you know, Dave has openly tweeted things like, about Miny being like, this is the most selfish piece of. I've, like, ever employed.

Jessica Singleton (129:01)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (129:01)

And it's like half a joke, but half real. And then so when it's your turn to like, talk about your value and your worth, it's like, all right, well, let's start off. I'm not the most selfish piece of you've ever employed. You know what I mean? It's like when those kind of things are made public, it's hard to not, like, use them.

Jessica Singleton (129:16)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (129:16)

In your negotiating. And that's why I think this show of, like, if it was all public, like, if you had to negotiate your value in front of. Imagine if there was like a live chat. Oh, my God. This is like saw.

Jessica Singleton (129:26)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (129:26)

If you were, like, making your case of why you deserve the money and like the, the Internet could see and comment, like, actually, she doesn't deserve that. Oh, why don't you give that money to this person? It's like what Big T was doing, but, like, the Internet would do it for. Oh, it would be terrible.

Jessica Singleton (129:39)

That'd be terrible.

Kevin Clancy (129:40)

But it would be the most entertaining.

Jessica Singleton (129:42)

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Kevin Clancy (129:42)

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Jackie Feidelberg (131:37)

Have you done any shows today?

Guest Comedian (131:40)

Today? No.

Jackie Feidelberg (131:41)

Like. Like podcasts. Oh, no, no.

Guest Comedian (131:45)

Thank God.

Jackie Feidelberg (131:45)

I didn't do the classic 11am comedy show.

Guest Comedian (131:48)

I've done it on a brunch show and been like, we. Nobody wanted this.

Kevin Clancy (131:51)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (131:52)

I've actually seen Soder do. Was it at. What was Bert's thing called Fully loaded on the Fully loaded.

Guest Comedian (132:03)

Oh. And during the day, soda came like.

Jackie Feidelberg (132:06)

Soda was like an early. Early. Had an early spot, which surprised me. Sod soda. And he, like, came out and he was like, he's like doing comedy in the daylight. No one ever asked for this, you know. But then when he does wet, like, obviously he kills.

Jessica Singleton (132:20)

I mean, he crushes and.

Jackie Feidelberg (132:21)

And like. Well, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen because you have to perfectly bright out. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (132:25)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (132:25)

You're just.

Guest Comedian (132:26)

Everyone.

Jessica Singleton (132:26)

What do they say is like the prime. The prime time?

Jackie Feidelberg (132:29)

I think I've heard Saturday first show, the best show.

Guest Comedian (132:35)

You know what? Usually. But sometimes you get wild cards. I've been. Lately, I've been. My late shows have been better. They've been selling out faster and they've been better. And I'm like, what's going on?

Jackie Feidelberg (132:47)

Really?

Guest Comedian (132:47)

Are all of my fans math addicts? Like, I want to go to bed because I'm like, what if instead of a late show, we do a 4pm and the late shows keep selling? And I'm like, why are you like this? Why? But usually, yeah, Saturday, they're. They're resting, they're primed. Not the Friday, a couple of drinks.

Jackie Feidelberg (133:03)

But not too many.

Guest Comedian (133:04)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (133:04)

Like, I, I again, I'm. I'm far from an expert in this, but I, I've heard it said, like, the Friday evening show is everyone's trying to get drunk too fast beforehand.

Guest Comedian (133:14)

Oh, yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (133:15)

And then the Friday late show, they're already too drunk.

Guest Comedian (133:17)

They're. Yeah, they're blacked out. They're tired from work, but they're still. It's. It's people who are in their 30s who are like, I can still hang, and they cannot. They absolutely cannot.

Jessica Singleton (133:29)

Like, what a funny lady.

Guest Comedian (133:32)

And you're like, what? Why? Why Put your shirt on. It's the worst.

Jackie Feidelberg (133:36)

When I would drink a lot and go to, like, late comedy shows, I was the hardest laugher in the room. And I'm like, why can't everyone just do that? Why are you gonna start yelling?

Guest Comedian (133:45)

Yeah, well, it's. The Internet has made it worse, too. Clips. People are like, I'm heckling. You're like, what? Put me in your stick. My stick?

Jackie Feidelberg (133:55)

Everyone wants to be in.

Guest Comedian (133:56)

Like, yeah. They're like, ask what I do. You're like, I don't. Or it's. Or it's the opposite. Where I've been in clubs where the show doesn't sell out and it'll be close to sold out, and the only seats not sat are the front. Because everyone's like, please don't pick on me, dude.

Jackie Feidelberg (134:13)

That bothers me.

Guest Comedian (134:15)

It makes me sad. Because it's better the closer you are.

Jackie Feidelberg (134:18)

Yeah. And I feel like sometimes clubs do it where, like, they, like, we're reserving these tables.

Guest Comedian (134:23)

They try to charge more.

Jackie Feidelberg (134:23)

And it's like, just put people, like, why don't want every other seat here filled except the ones I see?

Guest Comedian (134:29)

Start them in the front. Yeah. I don't want to look out and be like, is there anybody out here?

Jackie Feidelberg (134:34)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (134:35)

So bad. And I'm not even.

Jessica Singleton (134:37)

Oh, sorry. Though we saw you at. If I'm remembering, there was a lot of people, though, that were, like, trying to be funny, trying to be the star of the show, which was.

Jackie Feidelberg (134:44)

That was like, chiming in.

Jessica Singleton (134:46)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (134:46)

That don't tell show. Yeah, those are. Yeah, it's. Those are always, like, 20s. A lot of 20s bros were like, yeah, I'm fans of comedians. I get it.

Kevin Clancy (134:56)

And you're like, all right, I have a question.

Jackie Feidelberg (134:58)

And obviously, this is incredibly weighted on where I work and who I hang out with. I feel like everyone in the world is a mid-20s bro. Like, everywhere you go, it's just like. It's kind of a bro crowd.

Guest Comedian (135:10)

Yeah. In your world, for sure.

Jackie Feidelberg (135:11)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (135:11)

That's your audience. It is funny watching different audience because I've gotten to open for different comics, like, before I started headlining, and the difference in. When I've opened for Theo, and it's all like. It's all bros that look like Theo or, like, Southern.

Jackie Feidelberg (135:28)

Well, you know what? I think that's what it is. I think Bro is used so widely. It just means guys.

Guest Comedian (135:34)

It's. Yeah. Well, yeah. Now I'm trying to think, what is a guy that's not like.

Jackie Feidelberg (135:38)

I would never describe Theo as a bro.

Guest Comedian (135:40)

No, no, me, I wouldn't describe him as a bro. But his crowd is. I think bros are just fun, so they go out more. I don't know.

Jessica Singleton (135:47)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (135:48)

If you're having a good time, there's probably bros around.

Guest Comedian (135:50)

Yeah. But then when I used to open for Ari, I'm like, oh, there's a lot of guys in black T shirts. And those will be, like, my trickle down fans. So now the people who come out for me, it's such a mixed bag of. There will be women, but then there's guys sitting alone. Yeah, yeah. I got a lot of fans that don't have friends.

Jackie Feidelberg (136:11)

I'm there for it. We had a show in Philly last night, and I. I forget the woman's name, unfortunately, but she was like, this is my first show I've ever come to alone. Like, this was so much fun. And we were like, hell, yeah, that's.

Guest Comedian (136:23)

It's better alone. I wish I could announce that, because sometimes you go to a comedy show, especially if it's a date or someone you're not super close with, and there's maybe the comics making kind of inappropriate jokes and you want to laugh. Be like, I didn't think I'm a piece of.

Jackie Feidelberg (136:36)

Yeah, I do really like racist jokes. I forgot to mention.

Kevin Clancy (136:41)

I forgot.

Guest Comedian (136:42)

I love it. Oh, do a Chinese accent. My favorite. Yeah, it's. It's kind of better. I wish more people would just do it. I think people get afraid to go out alone, and I'm like, no, dude, go out.

Jackie Feidelberg (136:55)

Do you think accents are coming back? Cuz I'm getting that feeling.

Guest Comedian (137:00)

Feeling. I think. I think they are. I do think it's messed up that only certain accents have been cancelable. Like, yeah, it's like, don't. Don't be Asian at all. But then French or Italian people can go themselves. Just like anyone can go up there and go, oh, my God, it's great.

Jackie Feidelberg (137:17)

And Jamaica, Jamaica. We're like, well, that one's too good. We're keeping Jamaica.

Guest Comedian (137:21)

You have to. That's such a hard accent to do. And I have Jamaican family. Step family, obviously, but that's one I couldn't crack. I always try to do Jamaican accents, and I become like, an old Indian man.

Jackie Feidelberg (137:34)

Yeah, Jamaican. You like. You get Irish fast. I went Australian fog. They're all of that same, like, tone.

Guest Comedian (137:40)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (137:41)

But I think, I think they're coming back because I think people are doing them more accurately. Like. Like I've done accents lately that I felt good doing. And no one got mad about you since.

Jessica Singleton (137:52)

On stage.

Kevin Clancy (137:53)

On stage.

Guest Comedian (137:53)

On podcast montage.

Jackie Feidelberg (137:56)

No, I've done them on podcast and like, because I'm like, I'm actually trying to sound like this person that's my. Not like a vague Asian person. You know what I mean?

Guest Comedian (138:05)

I. I think you're onto something. I have always felt like it should be okay if it's accurate.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:10)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (138:11)

If you can nail it, you should be able to do it.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:14)

Like, we have Les Mascots a show.

Guest Comedian (138:16)

Great show. I want to talk to you about it for hours.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:19)

But when we first put it out, we were. We were going over the. The pilot and Tommy does an Asian accent in it.

Kevin Clancy (138:26)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:26)

And we were like, ah, I don't know. Like, do people get mad about that these days? Like, it's funny and. And. But he's doing everything everywhere, all at once. He's doing.

Guest Comedian (138:36)

Yes.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:36)

Trying to do that voice, that character not doing like a. A vague.

Guest Comedian (138:40)

You know, like, it's very clear. He's like trying to. Oh, and in the scene. I saw it.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:44)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (138:45)

He's like trying to channel the actor.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:47)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jessica Singleton (138:48)

Why?

Guest Comedian (138:49)

Also, also just at this point, like, anyone who's been canceled for that is so successful.

Jackie Feidelberg (138:56)

Put more people who have been canceled are very successful.

Guest Comedian (138:59)

Do a whole show just doing the accent. You'll be so rich.

Jessica Singleton (139:04)

It's.

Guest Comedian (139:05)

No, I agree. It's like, why can't we. It's weird that actors are supposed to be limited into what they can impersonate. I go. I mean, I know it's. I'm sure there's something taboo about what I'm gonna say or someone will get mad about it. But there's some people who think like, straight people shouldn't play gay people, but then gay people can play straight people. We're acting. The whole thing is like, don't be yourself. I don't know.

Jackie Feidelberg (139:26)

And the funny thing about that is, like, if you talk to an actor about it, they're like, I'm not doing anything wrong. I remember we. When that was when that debate was really kicking around, I remember we. I asked two guests specifically about it. I asked Eric Stonestreet cuz he played Cam in Modern Family. And then I asked Brian Cranston cuz he was doing. He was promoting a movie where he was playing a quadriplegic. And like, neither of them even really.

Guest Comedian (139:52)

Had like long laughed Sorry, I did not see that movie.

Jackie Feidelberg (139:56)

It's actually a great movie.

Guest Comedian (139:57)

It's just the effects of that must be.

Jackie Feidelberg (140:00)

What was the movie? It's Cranston and Kevin Hart.

Jessica Singleton (140:04)

Oh, I know. Yeah, I know.

Jackie Feidelberg (140:06)

It's a remake of a French movie that people consider like a classic. I. I don't think this one really did that well, but I liked it. But he, like, they both, like, neither of them had this extreme answer that you would expect.

Jessica Singleton (140:16)

Your mic.

Jackie Feidelberg (140:17)

My mic.

Jessica Singleton (140:18)

The upside follows you.

Guest Comedian (140:20)

Oh, no.

Jackie Feidelberg (140:21)

Good, good. All right. So it's called the Upside is the movie.

Guest Comedian (140:26)

But why did I laugh?

Jessica Singleton (140:27)

Okay, you keep laughing.

Guest Comedian (140:30)

But yeah, Kevin Hart's like, I wish I wasn't so short. And then a quadriplegic goes by and he's like, I'm fine.

Jackie Feidelberg (140:36)

But they were both like. It wasn't like. I feel like someone who felt like they were doing something wrong would have a bigger answer where they were like, actually it's okay because yeah, they'd over explain. They're just like, no, I'm pretending like, oh, yeah. I don't know why we're all freaking out about this.

Guest Comedian (140:51)

That's literally what it is.

Jackie Feidelberg (140:52)

Understand it pretty well.

Guest Comedian (140:53)

Yeah. You're not. He. Brian Cranston didn't after the movie pretend to be quadriplegic still and go on disability. Let the man act also. You do a better job. You think they didn't try to get a quadriplegic and they're like, well, Brian Cranston, what are we going to do? He's going to sell tickets. Not Joe, the guy with no legs.

Jackie Feidelberg (141:14)

It's just this guy who lost to doing a fucking ied.

Guest Comedian (141:17)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (141:18)

Why is Cranston got the job?

Guest Comedian (141:20)

He's taking all my roles.

Jessica Singleton (141:22)

I think after the. The Snow White thing, were they that one.

Guest Comedian (141:26)

I got mad at the whole Dwarves.

Jessica Singleton (141:27)

But then didn't they just do like digital dwarves?

Guest Comedian (141:31)

And I just feel like there's so few roles for dwarves for little people. But Brad Williams got screwed.

Jackie Feidelberg (141:37)

You know what I mean?

Jessica Singleton (141:38)

It's like, yeah, that one actually, I could get behind.

Guest Comedian (141:39)

That was. That was his chance.

Jackie Feidelberg (141:41)

And I remember Peter Dinklage saying basically the same thing where he's like, you're taking jobs away from little people. They're taking our job where we exist and we need jobs and. And that would be a perfect job for us playing a little person.

Guest Comedian (141:53)

I mean, I think Disney just wanted that movie to sell tickets on outrage at this point. I mean, yeah, there was so many things a. Not white. Snow White. I'm like it's in the name. Come on. Any other role, fine, but you supposed to get an eastern European lady. Some pale, pale woman. Yeah, just a Gothic.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:14)

By the way, I, I didn't we introduced. Introduce you before you come on. But Jessica Singleton. Do you go by Jessica Michelle Singleton?

Guest Comedian (142:19)

It's Jessica Michelle. It's like a long white trash.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:20)

Jessica Michelle Singleton?

Guest Comedian (142:22)

Yeah. A double first name.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:24)

I wasn't sure, so I wanted to.

Kevin Clancy (142:25)

Talk to you about it.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:26)

But Jessica Michelle Singleton, where are you from?

Guest Comedian (142:28)

That's a loaded question. I. Okay, so I was born in Germany and then moved to southern Mississippi when I was three. And then in sixth grade my mom drove us from Mississippi to Alaska. And that's where I did high school and all that.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:39)

That because I couldn't place you.

Guest Comedian (142:41)

No one can.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:41)

Makes perfect sense.

Guest Comedian (142:42)

Just very different white places. It's basically just a lot of culture shock.

Kevin Clancy (142:48)

But what was the way.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:49)

Where'd you grow up in Alaska?

Guest Comedian (142:50)

Anchorage.

Jackie Feidelberg (142:51)

Anchorage?

Jessica Singleton (142:52)

Yeah. You say Alaska when shorthand you wanted to say like where you're from?

Guest Comedian (142:55)

Yeah, usually, yeah, Alaska. But then I feel like there's things about me that people go, she seems kind of like a redneck sometimes. But that also is very Alaskan. I guess it's just northern redneck slednecks.

Jackie Feidelberg (143:09)

But is that what they call it?

Guest Comedian (143:10)

That's, that's what they call. There's like a. I don't want to call it a gang. It's like a group of.

Jessica Singleton (143:15)

They.

Guest Comedian (143:15)

Are they snow machiners? And like that's like their brand.

Jackie Feidelberg (143:20)

So are like I'm, I'm from Massachusetts, so I'm from the north, but not as north as that.

Guest Comedian (143:24)

Yeah, grow up.

Jackie Feidelberg (143:27)

The like, like where, where I grew up, I consider those. Any kind of motor vehicle like that, like that's white trash. Like if you're, if you're, if you're room rooming. If you're on a jet ski, if you're on a ski do. If you're on an atv, that's white trash.

Guest Comedian (143:45)

And that's how I know I'm white trash. Cuz I just hear an engine like that and I get a little wet. I'm like, oh yeah, look at the guy in the helmet. You never want to see him without the helmet. It's always so upsetting. You go, man, I was really excited when you hit. Oh, the smell of Mountain Dew in the summer. Talk dirty to me.

Jackie Feidelberg (144:01)

Mountain Dew in a parliament?

Guest Comedian (144:02)

Yes. Oh God, take me back.

Jackie Feidelberg (144:06)

But was that like in Alaska? Was that, was that white trash or was that like kind Of a way of life.

Guest Comedian (144:11)

I mean, I think both can be true. I think it's like, do they do what? Do most people who are white trash know they're white trash or they're just like, I'm fucking cool. Surprise. Somewhere in between, I had more than one friend that was sponsored by an energy drink. You know, just for snowboarding or snow machining. Just like. It's just how it is. It's sort of. There's. There's a lot of different people, but there's definitely, like, the hunting. Hunting, Fishing. Yeah. Vroom, vroom.

Jackie Feidelberg (144:35)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was. What would you say is like, the most redneck thing that you regularly saw or sledneck?

Guest Comedian (144:44)

I mean, probably just that we did a lot of camping. There was just a lot of drinking in the woods.

Jackie Feidelberg (144:51)

But that's awesome.

Guest Comedian (144:52)

It is. It's crazy how much I camped in high school and I don't know that I've camped since. Yeah. That I'm just like. We would just go in the winter time. That was our, like, we're all staying the night at each other's house sneak out thing and just go. I mean, I've nearly started a forest fire once. And that someone tried to put out with vodka. Very cheap vodka, which might as well have been gas.

Jessica Singleton (145:15)

The number one thing that you're not supposed to do. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (145:17)

Yeah. And I was like, we're all gonna die. The lake's gonna. We're right. I think we were camping either right next to or on a lake. That's it. The lakes freeze over so much. People have houses that you have to take a boat to in the summer, but you can drive in the winter. It's crazy. And people just be. I don't know. I dipped in high school. I was a red man.

Kevin Clancy (145:37)

You chewed.

Guest Comedian (145:37)

I played ice hockey, and I would have Copenhagen long cut. I was a small man, dude.

Jackie Feidelberg (145:42)

The. So the school I went to, we had girls hockey teams, and the girls hockey team was always. It was just like. They were just the bros. Yeah, the bros.

Guest Comedian (145:49)

I was a bro.

Jackie Feidelberg (145:51)

They would have, like, they did. The girls would have more disgusting dip stores than we had. Where, like, the girls, like, you know, because we. We around each other's locker rooms and like that. And you'd be like, what is this sock? And you're like, ah, that's Kelly's sock. For practice. Why is it all brown? Like, we put dip in our toes for practice.

Guest Comedian (146:09)

Okay. I did not do that. Girl crazy.

Jackie Feidelberg (146:11)

Girls would it look. Who knows?

Guest Comedian (146:13)

I did not wash my socks until we would Lose.

Jackie Feidelberg (146:16)

I did not watch my gitch my entire high school career.

Guest Comedian (146:19)

I stunk up my home.

Jessica Singleton (146:21)

Just for good luck reasons or just.

Guest Comedian (146:23)

For like, I did it for good luck. We were good though. I was like, well, I'm not gonna break the streak. We're winning. We kept winning. I was like, what am I gonna do? Wash? Absolutely not.

Jackie Feidelberg (146:32)

It's crazy you believe those things. I'm just gonna wash away all the victory.

Guest Comedian (146:37)

Yeah. Just putting on a, just crunching into my gear. Just. Let's go, girls. That's not what Shania Twain mint at all. Just spitting on the ice like, my God, you're disgusting.

Jackie Feidelberg (146:53)

We used to, we had like a rink on campus and we used to like play whenever we had free periods and stuff like that. And they would always be like, who's been out here dipping all over the place? Like, the girls, dude, I spit over the side of the boards.

Guest Comedian (147:06)

We have a bottle. Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (147:07)

Private school girls.

Guest Comedian (147:10)

Disgusting. Disgusting pigs.

Jessica Singleton (147:12)

And I love it.

Guest Comedian (147:13)

Oh my God, it was the best. And I, I was such a fraud though. I couldn't handle it. I dip and then five minutes later I'd be like, Barb, just spit it out and be like, no, I'm having fun.

Jackie Feidelberg (147:25)

The very first time I ever dipped was a high school football game. And it was like, we had, it was a public school game. So I had like a McDonald's cup with a beer. Just the full, like I, I, we put the can in the cup. So then you put the straw into the can, you drink it like that. So I had like probably five beers and then I had my first lip and they had to carry me out of the stands. I was like, I was like, God, I can't even move.

Guest Comedian (147:46)

I can't stand up. Oh my God. I'm just having like taste bud flashbacks to high school. Just dips the apple flavored vodkas.

Jackie Feidelberg (147:57)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (147:58)

I feel like biggest square that I can't even relate. Really good.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:03)

I get it.

Guest Comedian (148:03)

It just means you respect yourself.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:05)

Jackson. La so or no, San Francisco. I'm sorry, college.

Jessica Singleton (148:09)

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Guest Comedian (148:11)

Way different.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:12)

It's actually like crazy far apart and really different. But as far as I'm concerned, it's the same. It is a different coast.

Guest Comedian (148:17)

It is crazy that people will just love California as all one place. It's such a difference in the the bay versus la.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:23)

And you pointed yourself in the bay. You're in la.

Guest Comedian (148:25)

No. I mean, yeah. No. I don't know why. I just, in my mind there was an imaginary map. I was pointing the bay. I'm in la. It's fine.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:32)

You don't like it?

Guest Comedian (148:33)

I don't. I like the weather. It's good for, you know, comedy. And now I'm finally trying to do others, like acting and more writing and stuff. So it's good for that. But I'm just. I don't know. I love stand up in New York.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:45)

I. I've had three good sets since.

Guest Comedian (148:47)

I've been here in a row and now I'm like, I got a mood in here.

Kevin Clancy (148:49)

I need this energy.

Guest Comedian (148:51)

Every time I come here, I'm like, I'm alive. And then I just get like spit on by a person looking for Harold in the trash. And I'm like, okay.

Jackie Feidelberg (148:59)

We actually. I did a video on Saturday with Stuff island and their, their producer Josh was there and it was his first time. He's a younger guy. It's his first time ever in New York. He's from Iowa.

Guest Comedian (149:10)

Oh, wow.

Jackie Feidelberg (149:11)

And he's a great kid. I love Josh. And he was like, I love it here. And I was like, oh, yeah? Like, what, what, what do you like about it? And he goes, just nothing matters. And I was like, I pat him on the back. I was like, really proud of him. I was like, you got that fast, dude. Good for you.

Guest Comedian (149:24)

That's so funny. That is what's great about New York. Like, who cares if there's a booger on my face on the train? We're all gonna die. It's so insane.

Jackie Feidelberg (149:34)

We were talking more about it. He's like. He's like, there's just like this feeling of depression. And I was like, yes, everything is attached to a sadness. But like, it's then that makes everything more fun. Is that like acceptance? Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. I don't know. Everything's not going to be great.

Guest Comedian (149:48)

It's not gonna get better. Who cares? Just eat the pizza. Yeah. And then in la, it's like the opposite, where it feels like everything matters, even though it also doesn't matter. But it's just like, same rules every. I walked on the street and I'm like, is everyone judging everyone? My headphones. Like, what if they find out what I'm listening to? It's crazy.

Jessica Singleton (150:09)

The last time I went to air, just the last time I went to la, I went to Erwan and it was literally such a epitome was I saw three people with their tik toks up with the Haley Bieber smoothly. It's pretty good, actually. The exact same sentence. And I was like, oh, la is like, it's the worst no, but like.

Guest Comedian (150:25)

It'S, I mean it just is what it is.

Jessica Singleton (150:27)

Exactly.

Guest Comedian (150:28)

Yeah. You go, you, yeah. You have to just accept it. The other day I like, I moved into a new place and I walked out on my balcony and there was absolutely a girl across the street on her balcony either doing a TikTok. She might have been trying to film something for only fans outdoors at the same time. And she was like twerking and I just stood there knowing I was in the background, just far away, like, I hope I ruined this. I hope people go, I hope it gets engaged. Because they're like, who's that weird lady staring? She was just fully going for it. It's, it's a weird thing to see influencers. Like, fine, do your thing. But you're not like a little embarrassed?

Jackie Feidelberg (151:05)

That is, that was the, the hump I could never get over.

Guest Comedian (151:10)

No. Because I've had to make like front facing videos but someone comes by and I go, I'm so sorry.

Jessica Singleton (151:15)

They're just like, I'm here on the.

Guest Comedian (151:17)

Streets of Silver Lake and I'm like, oh God, what happened to shame?

Jackie Feidelberg (151:25)

It's. I don't know what we're going to do about that. It's got. I reached the level where I genuinely. And I'm going to put a little bit of asterisk on genuinely. I believe phones should be banned in public. I actually believe that.

Guest Comedian (151:37)

It's, I mean people will run into you. It's.

Jessica Singleton (151:39)

We're all just like when I, when.

Jackie Feidelberg (151:41)

Like walking down the streets in New York. Exactly what you're saying. We're like, I have to dodge people. Just pick your head up and look where you're walking.

Guest Comedian (151:50)

It's so annoying. Yeah. I become such a cartoon of a New Yorker so quickly. When someone's on their phone in front of me in the subway, I'm like, hey, get out of the way.

Jackie Feidelberg (152:01)

You.

Guest Comedian (152:02)

Yeah, I'm gonna push you in the tracks. It's just crazy, crazy. There's the self awareness is gone. We're all addicted. I'm not even excluding myself. I'm sure I've been that person where I'm just like, I have to finish this. I have to watch the video.

Jessica Singleton (152:14)

See somebody on Tick Tock walking, like that's. We don't need to be doing that.

Jackie Feidelberg (152:19)

But what, what are. When you're walking, what are you looking at?

Jessica Singleton (152:23)

I'm, I'm. This is why I'm kind of almost like. I don't know if anybody could even try and mug me because I, I'm aware Of my surroundings at all.

Jackie Feidelberg (152:31)

So you're not on your phone.

Jessica Singleton (152:32)

I'm not my phone.

Jackie Feidelberg (152:33)

Oh, okay, perfect.

Jessica Singleton (152:33)

But I see other people on their phones.

Jackie Feidelberg (152:35)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (152:35)

And I feel like such a boomer being like. Or then I feel like such a New York or being like, I am walking here.

Guest Comedian (152:40)

Like, yeah, Literally walking.

Jessica Singleton (152:43)

And then I think, I'm so not California anymore.

Guest Comedian (152:46)

Like, I am officially. Yeah, I know I'm usually not on mine because I'm looking around and. But I. I also creep people out doing that. People are on their phone so much that I feel like now I feel crazy. If I'm phone down, I make eye contact with someone, I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (153:01)

I have been looking at you. It looks ridiculous. You're sitting like a shrimp. You're all folded weird, hunched.

Guest Comedian (153:08)

Like the few times I've caught my own reflection in my phone, I'm so hyper aware of it now that I'm like on the train. I'm not making a video. I just don't want to hurt my neck. I'm doing business. It's insane. It's so insane.

Jackie Feidelberg (153:24)

It's. I. I don't. I don't know what we're gonna do about it, but we'll figure it out. Yeah.

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Jessica Singleton (154:46)

What are people in Alaska like? Are they.

Guest Comedian (154:48)

I mean, they're. They're behind the. They're not as, like, addicted to social media, that's for sure. It's. Yeah, it feels real small town when I go home. Even though it's a big city.

Jessica Singleton (155:01)

How big is.

Guest Comedian (155:01)

Anchorage is the biggest city in the state. It's 250,000.

Jackie Feidelberg (155:05)

Oh, really?

Guest Comedian (155:05)

It's teeny tiny compared to L. A or New York. Yeah, but, you know, 50.

Jackie Feidelberg (155:10)

Still big, though. Like, I'm from a quote unquote city. It's not a major city, but, like, it is a city and that's like a hundred thousand. So 250.

Guest Comedian (155:17)

Yeah, it's not bad. It's just a lot of. It feels almost Midwestern. You know, it's its own place in a way, because Alaskans. I can't even explain how Alaskans are weird. We just like the fashion sense in Anchorage. People wear extra tufts, which are like rain boots. That's like. But it's like, you don't have extra taps. Oh, it's like uppity about weird things in high school if you don't have a North Face in Doc Martens, it's like, do you even know about fashion? It's like, we all look like lesbians. Why are we judging each other? What's going on, dude?

Jackie Feidelberg (155:53)

Can I tell you about extra toughs I have recently? My dad has a pair now. And because my parents, like, kind of far. They live in the country and he. He wears them all the time. And I always think I'm like, damn, that actually looks pretty cool.

Guest Comedian (156:07)

Yeah, they're Northern Crocs. No, me too. I go home and I go, I should get some. And I'm like, you live in la?

Jackie Feidelberg (156:14)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Guest Comedian (156:14)

You can't just wear extra tufts in the middle of summer in Los Angeles.

Jackie Feidelberg (156:17)

Can I buy some extra toughs to leave at the house so I can feel cool when I come home? Like, I want to hang around in the mud with you.

Guest Comedian (156:23)

It's crazy. It's a lot of hockey. All my friends are hockey moms now. It's crazy. Everyone my age in LA is getting, like, too much work too fast. So they look like they're on a roller coaster. And then all my friends in Alaska, it's just like pants getting higher, slowly getting shorter. Like, these kids. I'm like, oh, you got. You're turning.

Jackie Feidelberg (156:41)

Yeah. Nice to meet you, Mrs. Palin.

Guest Comedian (156:43)

I know. It's crazy because they, like my hometown people, all had kids in their early 20s. It's like, that's what you do. You get married, you have kids, you get divorced. Husband is now with your neighbor. You're like, we're all having fun here. You swap top husbands. Yeah. It's the best thing.

Jessica Singleton (156:59)

You were gonna end up like that or did you always know? Like, no.

Guest Comedian (157:02)

You know what? I feel like there is like a small alternate universe where I could have, like, I had a boyfriend when I moved to college, where I'm like, the first week of college, I wasn't really vibing with anyone yet, and I'm like, oh, what if I had gone home? I for sure would be married to that guy and probably 40 pounds heavier. And he'd be pretending he still found me attractive. And I'd be screaming. I'd be like the parent who took their kids work too seriously. I'd be the annoying PTA mom. That's what I do. I get too involved. I can't have kids. They'll be pieces of shit. I know, based on how I treat my dogs. Like, she's so special and smart. She's like a regular dog. She's not very smart. I love her. Most people hate her. She barks at everyone. And she's got a snaggle too, so she looks like a little, like, she's just the past. So my kids would be assholes.

Jackie Feidelberg (157:50)

I'm. I think you're right. And I think there's something about the dogs. Is it a Pitbull? A French.

Kevin Clancy (157:59)

French bulldog.

Guest Comedian (157:59)

I mean, thank you for. That's a bold assumption, but I have French bulldog energy. Thank you.

Jackie Feidelberg (158:03)

I just feel like French bulldogs, they.

Guest Comedian (158:05)

Always got the snack snaggle. No, she's just a rescue from China. She's like a Pekingese mix. Got her in October 2019. Did I single handedly bring Covid to the United States? We'll never know. Is she the bat? Maybe she's just this black. She. She. Do you remember Falkor from the Neverending Story? The big white thing? She looks like a tiny black version of that, like, to a T. Her face looks. She looks magical. I named her Moki, which is one of the Muppets. The Fraggles from Fraggle Rock.

Jackie Feidelberg (158:33)

Oh, yeah.

Guest Comedian (158:33)

Very niche.

Jackie Feidelberg (158:34)

Fraggle Rock.

Guest Comedian (158:35)

Old reference. But because she just looks like a Muppet I have.

Jackie Feidelberg (158:40)

She sounds like a very cute dog.

Guest Comedian (158:42)

She's very cute.

Jackie Feidelberg (158:42)

Okay, that's good, because I think you're.

Guest Comedian (158:44)

Biased, but yeah, yeah, I was. I think she's objectively cute. Nice is another. Anyway, you go on.

Jackie Feidelberg (158:51)

But the. Like. I feel really bad saying this. I think I have less tolerance for ugly dogs than I do for ugly humans.

Guest Comedian (159:00)

Really?

Jackie Feidelberg (159:00)

Yeah. I think, like, I'm like, if you're an ugly person, I'm like, all right. Like, I get it. You got it. You had a tough road here. If you're an ugly dog, I'm like, figure it out.

Guest Comedian (159:09)

I think you're the minority.

Jackie Feidelberg (159:10)

Absolutely the minority.

Guest Comedian (159:12)

I think people can, like, find something cute about ugly dogs. And people were just so mean to ugly people. They're like, how dare you be near me? Yeah, I think.

Jackie Feidelberg (159:20)

And I think that's why I think I'm trying. In my head, I'm trying to make up for how most people treat people, that I'm like, I'll be nice to the person. I'm gonna. I don't want to pet the ugly dog. Like, there was back when we were, like, early blogging, there was always. I'm sure it still exists, but it wasn't. It's not as big a deal like, the world's ugliest dog competition. And people would, like, a tongue. Yeah. People would, like, be like, oh, he's so cute. I'm like, that thing is the most disgusting looking creature.

Guest Comedian (159:45)

It shouldn't be alive. It barely is. Yeah, it usually is. Like, an old dog that's like, if.

Jackie Feidelberg (159:51)

We put some helmet on that dog that could allow us to hear its thoughts, it would be like, kill me. Get me out of here.

Guest Comedian (160:00)

My bones hurt. Just squeeze me and make it end.

Jessica Singleton (160:05)

I saw a dog yesterday, two days ago, with, like, like, the worst hemorrhoids I've ever seen.

Guest Comedian (160:10)

Oh, no.

Jessica Singleton (160:12)

It's like, because its tail was up, its butthole was just, like, coming out of itself. And I had to switch streets because it was too gross to be behind.

Jackie Feidelberg (160:23)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (160:24)

Like, that dog, like, it doesn't even have, like, thumbs to be. I don't even know, like, how you deal with.

Guest Comedian (160:31)

Thumbs.

Jackie Feidelberg (160:34)

You scratch your ass. I'm not saying that.

Guest Comedian (160:37)

I'm just saying, like, don't you want to get. Get it out?

Jackie Feidelberg (160:41)

He's like, you can't even shove a thumb up his ass if he wants to.

Guest Comedian (160:45)

But you. You gotta tuck your hemorrhoids in. Sometimes you just gotta pop them.

Jessica Singleton (160:49)

I really don't know why.

Guest Comedian (160:50)

So the thumb, I, I get it.

Jackie Feidelberg (160:54)

But like, it, I had to switch sides of the street the whole time. I was like, I'll do it, buddy.

Guest Comedian (160:57)

I gotta get in there. Let me fix it. I can do it. I can fix. You.

Jessica Singleton (161:05)

Don'T know why I said the thumbs thing. I also, like, have never had hemorrhoids. So, like, I don't even know if that's how you deal with it. But anyways, I just felt like the dog, the dog just has to kind of like you can't even treat it, live with it.

Guest Comedian (161:18)

He couldn't even butt scratch him off. That's crazy. Yeah, I feel like you would be able to.

Jackie Feidelberg (161:22)

I don't know, I, I, I have no hemorrhoid knowledge myself either. It is a more common thing than I think. Like, I've never even heard.

Guest Comedian (161:30)

I had one once. Didn't come back. They say they come back. I don't know where it came from. Probably pushing too hard. Just, you know, I really want it sometimes.

Jackie Feidelberg (161:39)

I have a buddy who says that's how you get it. It's been pushing too hard.

Guest Comedian (161:43)

That's what everyone says. And it was years ago anyway. Why did I say that?

Jackie Feidelberg (161:47)

No, no, but he has, ladies. He's got a hemorrhoid. Hemorrhoids non stop.

Guest Comedian (161:52)

I have a friend like that too. That's always like my hemorrhoid. And I'm like, can't you have that surgically removed?

Jackie Feidelberg (161:57)

But I'm like, stop pushing so hard, dude. If you know what the thing is. Stop pushing so hard.

Guest Comedian (162:05)

Yeah, just wait. Just wait 10 more minutes. What are you trying to like, oh, I gotta get it out. Just go for a walk.

Jackie Feidelberg (162:14)

Go sit on the couch a little longer. Like, what, what are you doing?

Guest Comedian (162:17)

Jog around, chug some tea. What are we doing? It's, I mean, I don't know. We live in a push your shit out culture. I have a friend that has them so often that it's like, it sounds like she has a conjoined twin. The way she talks about it, I'm like, stop.

Jessica Singleton (162:34)

What exactly is it? It's, I honestly, honestly don't know.

Jackie Feidelberg (162:38)

Something out of your asshole, I imagine.

Jessica Singleton (162:39)

Yeah, but it's something like falling. Because I get that confused with not hemorrhoid. The hernia.

Guest Comedian (162:45)

Hernia, yeah, which I also don't know what that is. Yeah, but it like protrudes.

Jackie Feidelberg (162:51)

My brother used to get him when he's a baby, hemorrhoids or hernias. He was so fat. It was like, when he. No.

Guest Comedian (162:58)

Is that what happens? You're fat. Your body's trying to escape.

Jessica Singleton (163:03)

By the fat.

Guest Comedian (163:04)

It's just a bone.

Jackie Feidelberg (163:05)

I, I actually, I, I misspoke there. He was so fat that when he rolled, he would roll his shoulder out of his socket. So, like, as a bait, he couldn't walk, he couldn't talk. We had to be like, he's too.

Guest Comedian (163:16)

Fat to be a baby.

Jackie Feidelberg (163:18)

My mom would be like, I'm gonna leave Ben here. Don't let him roll. I would be like six. I'd be like, I don't. I'd pin my.

Guest Comedian (163:24)

Am I supposed to stop me as a boulder?

Jessica Singleton (163:28)

Because I actually always wonder if there's a level of fat that you can get to where you're kind of indestructible because you could just like, throw yourself on the floor and, like, you're just too fat, where you can't break a bone.

Jackie Feidelberg (163:37)

I, I would.

Guest Comedian (163:38)

That's a good question.

Jackie Feidelberg (163:39)

Like, have you ever seen that, that.

Guest Comedian (163:40)

Image when you have to be. You must be strong under. If you're like, very big. I mean, you're carrying along a lot of weight. It's like constantly doing weighted vests.

Jessica Singleton (163:48)

Yeah. I could see your joints being at serious jeopardy, but your actual muscles and.

Guest Comedian (163:53)

Bones have to be like, Bones.

Jessica Singleton (163:55)

They're, like, pretty protected.

Guest Comedian (163:56)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (163:56)

Kind of like an umpire now. They have all the padding and.

Guest Comedian (163:59)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (163:59)

You know, like, can you be so.

Guest Comedian (164:01)

Fat you don't need padding?

Jackie Feidelberg (164:02)

How many?

Jessica Singleton (164:02)

Yes.

Jackie Feidelberg (164:03)

Obviously, that's an incredibly fat person.

Guest Comedian (164:08)

This can't be real. This. I mean, that's so wild.

Jackie Feidelberg (164:13)

It's insane.

Guest Comedian (164:14)

700 pound man and that skinny little. The fact that, dude, your skeleton doesn't get even a little bit bigger.

Jackie Feidelberg (164:25)

Just that leg of the chair. Come on, guys.

Kevin Clancy (164:29)

Come on.

Guest Comedian (164:30)

That's crazy. That's so insane.

Jessica Singleton (164:33)

Yeah, that's. That's probably the level of fat where it's like, you're indestructible.

Jackie Feidelberg (164:37)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (164:38)

You're like, nothing can hurt you.

Jessica Singleton (164:40)

Yeah. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (164:41)

You can't hurt me.

Jackie Feidelberg (164:43)

700 pound man. Goodness gracious.

Guest Comedian (164:45)

Sometimes it feels like it would be fun just to be like, who gives a.

Jessica Singleton (164:51)

That would be if, like, I was supposed to die in, like, I would eat so much food, dude. Yeah, like, whatever.

Jackie Feidelberg (164:59)

Do you, so you, like, actually, like, you monitor your eating?

Guest Comedian (165:05)

What are you, a woman who's alive, you said? That's so foreign. Oh. Do you think about what you.

Jackie Feidelberg (165:14)

I'm like, kind of genuinely. I like. You have a diet. You have a diet.

Jessica Singleton (165:18)

I don't have a Diet. But, like, I just definitely am. Like, you think about, like, I want to go nuts on this cake right now. And I'm not like, I can't be doing that.

Guest Comedian (165:25)

Yeah. Yeah. There's food I look at and I like. I twitch. Nobody respects a food addiction in our culture either. Everyone wants to, like, yes, queen you. That's. Just have the pizza. Have a burger. You earned it. You. You would never say that if I was like, I'm addicted to heroin.

Jackie Feidelberg (165:39)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (165:40)

Just one little. Just shoot up once. You. You had a good week.

Kevin Clancy (165:43)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (165:44)

Long day.

Guest Comedian (165:45)

Yeah. Because you want to go wild on it sometimes, folks.

Jackie Feidelberg (165:49)

It's the foreplay.

Kevin Clancy (165:50)

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Jackie Feidelberg (165:54)

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Kevin Clancy (165:57)

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Jackie Feidelberg (165:59)

Whether that means using the old hand wedge to escape the bunker or just.

Kevin Clancy (166:02)

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Jackie Feidelberg (166:16)

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Kevin Clancy (166:23)

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Jessica Singleton (166:30)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (166:30)

What is your.

Kevin Clancy (166:31)

Your.

Guest Comedian (166:32)

You want me to pick one?

Jackie Feidelberg (166:33)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (166:35)

I don't know.

Jackie Feidelberg (166:35)

Like. Like one. Like. Like, I'm like sweets.

Guest Comedian (166:37)

If.

Jackie Feidelberg (166:37)

If you put me in a room with candy, I'm eating all of the candy.

Guest Comedian (166:40)

It's a real candy. I'm more of a savory, honest.

Jackie Feidelberg (166:43)

Really.

Guest Comedian (166:43)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (166:44)

I don't know many savory people.

Guest Comedian (166:45)

I could house a whole pizza if I let myself.

Jackie Feidelberg (166:48)

Just like a burrito that I used to be able to do. I. I can't really. Like, I used to. I get large pizza hammer, no problem. Now I kind of just get full.

Guest Comedian (166:57)

I do get embarrassed now, thank God. But then also, I have a problem where I think some of it is just poverty brain because I grew up poor where, like, I'll be full before the meal is done. But I'm like, yeah. And I'm just, like, stuffing myself to the point of, like, I don't want to be alive anymore just because, like, I paid for this. Just like, shoving french fries in, like, it's like, the end of days. You're gonna eat every. Like, I'm Bruce from Matilda.

Jessica Singleton (167:27)

Bruce Bulk Tart.

Guest Comedian (167:28)

Or just every. Every last bite.

Jessica Singleton (167:31)

That's what I think of if I were to do one thing, I would do cake fork.

Guest Comedian (167:35)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (167:35)

Really?

Guest Comedian (167:36)

That's.

Jessica Singleton (167:37)

Go icing first.

Guest Comedian (167:38)

Yeah. I want to be clear. Like, I also do love sweets. It's really hard to. It's Sophie's choice. Pick your poison. Just any. I love food.

Jackie Feidelberg (167:45)

The. The Louis CK joke, when he was like, I think his doctor asked him how much he eats, and he said, I don't understand what you mean. What's the question? And he said, how much do you eat typically until you feel full? And Louis replied, the meal doesn't end when I feel full. The meal ends when I hate myself. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (168:05)

Philosophic. Honestly, it's so real. And then even trying to be. I've gone through, like, eating clean and stuff, and I'm. I can do it, but I'm mean, like, I don't think I'm a nice person. I think I'm, like, a little bit high on sugar all the time.

Jackie Feidelberg (168:20)

I agree. I'm the same way.

Guest Comedian (168:21)

Yeah. When I eat healthy, I. And honestly, I'm really great at setting boundaries and saying, no, get the. Away from me.

Jackie Feidelberg (168:29)

I. I eat healthy until a point in the day when I go, you need sugar, brother.

Guest Comedian (168:35)

I tap out. I start so strong. It's like, salad, smoothie.

Jackie Feidelberg (168:39)

I go, I start with a fucking yogurt, then a salad. And then it's like, now we're gonna have 20,000 calories of candy.

Guest Comedian (168:44)

Yeah. You're like, now a dozen donuts.

Jackie Feidelberg (168:47)

Yes.

Guest Comedian (168:47)

Because I earned it. Yeah. It's a sickness. It really is.

Jackie Feidelberg (168:53)

We were talking before the show, and you had mentioned that you used to be a mascot.

Guest Comedian (168:57)

Yeah. I have to talk to you about this because I'm obsessed with this. I was my high school mascot.

Jackie Feidelberg (169:04)

No way.

Guest Comedian (169:04)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (169:06)

What mascot?

Guest Comedian (169:06)

First of all, we were Cougars.

Jackie Feidelberg (169:08)

Cougars is a good mascot still, in.

Guest Comedian (169:09)

Theory of the mascot of the high school. My right, boys. No, I'm a state champion mascot. I am a competitive mascot. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's Alaska, so there was, like, two other teams, but. But I took it very seriously.

Jackie Feidelberg (169:25)

So what is. What is, like, competitive mascoting even entail?

Guest Comedian (169:29)

I mean, it's just. You have to do a routine at state championship mascot. But, like, I did it when I did it was like 2005. And so it was way before. There's so much technology now for, like, mix and making music. I had to make my own track of, like, mashing up like, Lil John. Yeah. And then, like, I did, like, a voiceover cheer, and I was, like, bouncing around. It's a very good thing for anyone who's small and very physical. Like, my comedy is very physical, but I just did it as a. Originally, I went out. I. I tried out for the cheerleading squad, and they're like, we love your energy, but you're not. Your stunts aren't really great.

Jackie Feidelberg (170:08)

No way.

Guest Comedian (170:09)

But we want to do something with you. And I was like, what about mask? And they were like, we do have. It was like, a dusty old uniform hidden in a closet. Like, no one had been a mascot for years. Like, actually, we do just blowing dust off of it, going, like, here we go. And then it was just. My senior year, it was the greatest. I was homecoming queen as the mascot. It was. Which was really upsetting, I think, for a lot of the other women. They had to get a football game. They, like, lined up the homecoming royalty and everyone and their nice outfits. And I come out of the porta potties sweating, and I just ripped off the mascot. I'm like, hey, everybody.

Jessica Singleton (170:43)

Happy to be here.

Guest Comedian (170:45)

But, like, I just did it to be silly. But then it accidentally led to a chain of. I've been several costume characters.

Kevin Clancy (170:52)

Get out of here.

Guest Comedian (170:53)

Including, by the way, Elmo.

Jackie Feidelberg (170:55)

Really?

Guest Comedian (170:56)

Yes. Where were you, Elmo? At Bush Gardens when they did Sesame Street Live. What if. Actually, I just brought. I pulled out papers. I'm, like, actually here to serve you for copyright.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:05)

No, we've been. We've been worried about that. I think, ultimately, we decided that PBS has bigger problems on their hands.

Guest Comedian (171:11)

Absolutely. Also, you're doing. You guys are wearing knockoff characters, which I think is allowed.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:15)

I think. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (171:16)

We're also.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:16)

We're not like, Elmo and Cookie Monster. You're just people who are being them.

Guest Comedian (171:20)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:21)

It was definitely something. We were concerned about putting the show out, and it seems like PBS's lawyers are busy.

Guest Comedian (171:26)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:27)

Hoping PBS continues to exist.

Guest Comedian (171:28)

Yeah. Honestly, at this point, you're helping them.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:30)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (171:31)

It's free advertising. Like, what are they gonna. There's no budget. It's the People's Broadcasting System. You're going to take my tax money to sue this show? Absolutely not.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:40)

We were honestly, like. I was. Part of. Me was hoping.

Guest Comedian (171:43)

It's good press.

Jackie Feidelberg (171:44)

It's the greatest you could possibly have. Like, pbs. If you want to see India, I'm fucking begging.

Guest Comedian (171:50)

No, I was so. I was actually devastated because I went to the amusement park. I went to college in Tampa. Usf.

Kevin Clancy (171:56)

Okay.

Guest Comedian (171:56)

And they were auditioning for, like, singers and dance dancers for the amusement park. And I was like, I'm gonna go audition. I'm gonna sing and it was these group auditions where they would make people. You go up and you sing one song. And, like, if they. They kept sending people out after one song, and then I saw them have another. Like, one guy. They're like, okay, do you have a second song? He sang a second song. They asked him to do a monologue. He did a monologue. That's what they tell you to prepare. So I was like, okay, that's what happens if they want you. And I'm watching all these people go up, and they have me go up, and I sing, and, like, do you have another song? And I was like, I do. And I sang, and then I did a monologue. And they're like, go talk to that lady over at that table. And I was like, like, I'm gonna be a singer at an amusement park. Which now is like, wow, this was the heartbreak. But at the time, I was like, I'll show you, world. And then I go over to the table. She's like, how tall are you? And I was like, 4 11. She's like, great. We desperately need someone to play Elmo for Sesame Street. And I was like, does Elmo sing? She's like, no. I'm like, does he talk? In fact, he doesn't make any noise. In fact, if you. You'll be in trouble if you make. And I was like, I'm in. How much? $9 an hour. I'm rich. And then I just nearly died most nights.

Jessica Singleton (173:02)

How many.

Jackie Feidelberg (173:03)

How many nights did you do it?

Guest Comedian (173:04)

I would do. I think it was, like, three or four nights a week. But it was Florida summer.

Jessica Singleton (173:10)

Oh, my God.

Guest Comedian (173:11)

And just in his heat, there was rules on how long you could stay out based on the heat. But then I would always be paired with someone who wasn't part of our department, and they would, like. For. Forget to, like, keep track of the time. And there'd be lines of, like, Brazilian tourist groups coming up and, like, tossing me in the air, and I'm like, I'm going to die. Just, like, passing out in the costume. It was crazy.

Jackie Feidelberg (173:33)

Did you. Did people. Like, when they came out to you in costume, did they.

Kevin Clancy (173:37)

I guess.

Jackie Feidelberg (173:38)

Did they respect you as a person, or were you Elmo? Like, were you an entity?

Guest Comedian (173:41)

I was an entity, but I think because it was Elmo, they respected Elmo.

Jackie Feidelberg (173:45)

Yeah, this one's all right.

Guest Comedian (173:47)

Yeah. Yeah, I know.

Kevin Clancy (173:47)

Because after the Sesame street bluey, we'd have a problem.

Guest Comedian (173:51)

I mean, they asked me to stay on after the Sesame street because it was, like, a contractual stint, and they just had these generic costume characters for the park that they're like, you now. You're Hilda the hippo. Nobody respected the hippo. I was getting punched by kids. I was like, this is hell. I gotta. I gotta get out of college quick. I need a degree. People were just spitting on me. I'm like. And it was this fat costume. Well, it was, like, so fat. You. The hippo. It had, like, a hula hoop built in, and it was actually supposed to be for a really tall person, but they didn't have one. They're like, I'll just make it a short fat hippo, but I'm so small that it just, like, only my hands came out instead of, like, full arms. It was just like me stuck in a fat costume, being like, yay, I'm an actor. So sad.

Jackie Feidelberg (174:36)

Would you have wanted the people to. Excuse me? Like, like, would you prefer them to treat you like a person and talk to you like a human, or treat you like Hilda the Hilga the hippo?

Guest Comedian (174:48)

Treat me like Hilda the hippo. Make me come. You know, I'm not a human. I think it would have been weirder, honestly, for someone to go, like, what's. What's really going on in there? I didn't need a psychological evaluation. Half the time. I was so hungover. It was college, so it's just, like, half drunk, dressed as a hippo, being.

Jackie Feidelberg (175:06)

Like, take your picture. Move on.

Guest Comedian (175:09)

Yeah, I know. Like, don't make me talk. Huh?

Jessica Singleton (175:11)

Do you get tips?

Guest Comedian (175:12)

No, they wouldn't let us take tips, which, now that I say that, it's so embarrassing how. Seriously, I did take it a lot of times where I was, like, really posing, and it's like, who cares?

Jackie Feidelberg (175:22)

We were talking about that with. With these mascots where, like, we take pictures and we're like. We're smiling big and, like, why are we smiling?

Guest Comedian (175:29)

You can't.

Jackie Feidelberg (175:29)

You can't see my face. The. The face is smiling. I can do whatever the hell I want back here.

Guest Comedian (175:34)

Yeah, you could just be asleep. But then in my mind, I'm such a dork. I'm like, they can feel it.

Jackie Feidelberg (175:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (175:39)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (175:39)

They feel me smiling on the end of the line. On the end of the line. What am I talking about? Inside the mask. Whatever.

Jackie Feidelberg (175:46)

The. We did a video or kind of more of an experience with some mascots in Columbus recently with Crew Cat, who is the mascot of the Columbus Crew.

Guest Comedian (175:56)

Oh, my God.

Jackie Feidelberg (175:56)

And then with Stinger, who's the mascot of the Columbus Blue Jackets. And I asked about the human versus mascot thing because they Were there. And obviously they were being very professional. And like, I don't know if they're their bosses, but superiors, people they work with are there. So while we're trying to talk to them, they were, like, trying to mime to us rather than talk. And we'd be like, no, you can talk. And they were like, no, no.

Guest Comedian (176:17)

It's like that. That's the one thing where it's like, you're done here. It's so serious. One beep and they're like, you're out of the park. Pack your bags. You're stuck on the stilts. Now.

Jackie Feidelberg (176:27)

It had to be like a special thing. Like, are the cameras away? Okay, they can take their helmets off.

Guest Comedian (176:32)

Yeah, yeah. It was like, you'll ruin the experience.

Jackie Feidelberg (176:35)

Yeah, yeah.

Guest Comedian (176:35)

You'll ruin a child's life if you utter a peep. And I'm like, as a hip, this hippo doesn't exist. Who cares?

Jackie Feidelberg (176:43)

But we were at an empathy stadium. So I was like. I was like, yo, bro, there's no one around. You can talk. And they would be like, you're good. You can talk. It's literally just me and you right here.

Guest Comedian (176:52)

And I think about it now, and I'm like, every. Who's in those? And I was one of those people. I'm like, how mentally ill to be so serious about a costume character? But, you know, whatever.

Jackie Feidelberg (177:05)

Did you ever consider, like, going again? The crew, Cat and Stinger, both of them had gone to, like, mascot college and stuff like that. Were you. Were you. You were at Bush. Universal Studios or Bush Gardens?

Guest Comedian (177:16)

You say Bush Gardens.

Jackie Feidelberg (177:17)

You were at Bush Gardens. And you were like, this is where this ends from me.

Guest Comedian (177:20)

I wish that's where it ended.

Jackie Feidelberg (177:21)

Oh, no, no.

Guest Comedian (177:25)

I didn't ever think about, like, going to mascot college, but probably more because I was like, I don't think I meet the real height requirements. No, college. College mascots, those are built big people.

Jackie Feidelberg (177:35)

Honestly, guys, I think college as a whole might should have a five foot.

Guest Comedian (177:38)

I mean, they should.

Jackie Feidelberg (177:39)

I. I think you're coming on campus, be. Be normal heights around us.

Guest Comedian (177:43)

Yeah, don't creep everybody out, you weird munchkin. Because we had run Rocky the Bull at usf. And I'm like, I feel like that's someone who maybe just barely didn't make the cut of the football team. But now that I'm thinking that, I'm like, oh, maybe that's just a costume. There's probably just some string being.

Jackie Feidelberg (177:57)

I feel like most mascots in my head under the costume, homosexual men, which you're probably right. And I think I'm basing that solely on the New York Liberties mascot, who's just very fabulous.

Guest Comedian (178:11)

I would tell you that every man I worked with at Busch Gardens was the gayest man I've ever met. Yeah. My supervisor, who taught me, no, you have to walk. You're Hilda.

Jackie Feidelberg (178:18)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (178:19)

They made you learn the, like, character moves, and they had, like, certain signatures, and. Which was ridiculous because I was, like, signing things like this. But, yeah, they're like, it's about the attitude. They. I don't. It's like, are you really taking it seriously? Or you also. Like this? It's just a job. Who cares? But, yeah. No. Just the gayest man I've ever met. Thank God.

Jessica Singleton (178:38)

Like, a drunken man, you know, who kind of, like, wants to. Wants to get close to girls.

Guest Comedian (178:42)

That Times Square mascots and, like, Hollywood Boulevard mascots. That's what I think. Burping in your ear, and they're like, you want to take a picture with me? No.

Jackie Feidelberg (178:53)

You want to come back and suck Deadpool's dick? Jesus Christ.

Guest Comedian (178:59)

Come to daddy.

Jackie Feidelberg (179:00)

Just a picture, if you don't mind, bro.

Guest Comedian (179:03)

Do not touch me. Yeah, I. I moved to LA right after college, and there was a casting call. There's this movie that came out in 2011 called Hop. It was an Easter movie with James Marsden that has. It was, like, him mixed in with CGI bunnies. But this is so embarrassing. To promote it, they had, like, costume character bunnies at Universal and, like, going to movie theaters and, like, for their premiere. And I was like, I mean, whatever. It was work. But I was like, this is how I get into universe. Like, I thought it would be a Steven Spielberg story where, like, yeah, I was the bunny, but then they saw my natural talent, and they were like, get her a sitcom. No, they were like, never take your mask off. Like, James Marsden was there for one, like, press appearance. Like, do not talk to James. And I was just like, oh, this is. This is sad.

Jackie Feidelberg (179:56)

This isn't Hollywood, it turns out.

Guest Comedian (179:58)

Yeah. Or it really, really is. Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (180:01)

Yeah, I've noticed that. That, like, I. I think, like, just when you're a kid, you think all the bright lights and all the spectacles and stuff like that. And then, like, we were talking about it with the Emmys the other night, where we were like, people. You know how people feel about the Hollywood elites and all that.

Jessica Singleton (180:16)

We.

Jackie Feidelberg (180:17)

We had Michael Chickas on, and he was like. He was saying how most people aren't rich. And I was saying. Yet, like, I was saying, that the theater that that's at is like 3,000 people.

Kevin Clancy (180:26)

People.

Guest Comedian (180:27)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (180:27)

And maybe 200 of them are crazy wealthy.

Guest Comedian (180:30)

Yeah. There's Steve Fillers there.

Jackie Feidelberg (180:32)

Most of Hollywood, if people like trying to get into Hollywood.

Kevin Clancy (180:35)

Not.

Guest Comedian (180:36)

Yeah. Or even people who work a little. It's like you get a little moment or you're a small part on something that it's gone and it's not life changing. And maybe in your small town they go, he was on two episodes of Big Bang Star. But like, yeah, it's crazy. It's a lot of people trying to make it and then small amount who have.

Jackie Feidelberg (180:55)

And then.

Guest Comedian (180:56)

And it smells like piss everywhere you go in the like actual Hollywood, you were like, I'm going to put my hands in Marilyn Monroe's. No, do not touch those. They're filled with feces. It's. It's gross.

Jackie Feidelberg (181:06)

I also was surprised. I had like a very small roll on tires and I was, I was surprised. Like it's men who put like, who are. Do Hollywood.

Guest Comedian (181:18)

Like you were surprised by that.

Jackie Feidelberg (181:20)

But not like, no, like, like, not. Not men in the sense. Like James Marsden. I mean like union guys.

Guest Comedian (181:27)

Oh yeah. All the people running everything.

Jackie Feidelberg (181:29)

Everything. It was. And I don't even mean men in like a men term. I just mean like union people and. Oh like there's five people who are Hollywood people here. There are 300 people who are union workers.

Guest Comedian (181:43)

Like blue collar union. Like, I mean you look at those guys, it's like, yeah, these are just like when you pictured dads as a kid.

Jackie Feidelberg (181:50)

Yeah. That, that always really surprised. I was like, oh yeah. Obviously they need a lot of people to move and like. And I. Whenever I'd heard that like Hollywood is an industry that is not elite, that is not built on that. I was. I kind of be like a little.

Guest Comedian (182:05)

It is.

Jackie Feidelberg (182:06)

I'm like. But not really. And then seeing that I was like, oh, there's 40 times as many regular people here than there are stars.

Guest Comedian (182:13)

That's just not what you think about. It's like they're so surviving off of the glitz and glamour and the press that gets to get the money, I guess.

Jackie Feidelberg (182:19)

Right. Right.

Guest Comedian (182:20)

Yeah. It's like most people are just working class and most people are in LA are faking it. It's just smoke and mirrors. The amount of people that it's like, just say you have a day job. Just tell me. So I stopped comparing myself to you and going, why am I not. Why are they doing so well? And it's like, just say, just tell me you Have a trust fund. So I'm like, yeah, I can go to do that, too. Yeah. It's just. It's such a wild, wild world.

Jackie Feidelberg (182:47)

How when you're comparing yourself when you're not again.

Guest Comedian (182:50)

And I do.

Jackie Feidelberg (182:52)

Everyone did. I don't mean that in, like, a negative way. Are you looking at people who are at the same level as you? Are you looking at people who are more advanced than you?

Guest Comedian (183:04)

It's like, sometimes there's times where I'm like, I don't even know what level I'm at. Like, I go through moments where I'm like, I don't even know who people would say my peers are, but then I do. But everyone, like, has moments where they pop, and then things fizzle in a way that varies. But I try to look at people who are a little further along or doing a little better than me because I'm like, okay, if I'm going to be reaching for something, like, I only finally learned to stop asking advice from some. From people who aren't doing better than me.

Jackie Feidelberg (183:34)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (183:34)

But it's like, why am I asking my friend who dresses like shit how my clothes are? Why would I ask career advice from someone who is not even as far along as I am? Yeah, but it's.

Jackie Feidelberg (183:44)

I think I also like looking at the people who are old. Not even necessarily older. But further is like, it's not really comparing.

Jessica Singleton (183:52)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (183:52)

You know what I mean? Like, when you're, like, looking at people who are, so to speak, on your level, I'm comparing. Whereas, like, when I'm looking at people who are better than me, I'm like, oh, that's an interesting way. Like, maybe I could.

Guest Comedian (184:02)

It's learning. It's like strategizing. It's like, okay, well, they, you know, oh, they did this, this, and this. So maybe, like, what's my version of that? Or even going especially with stand up. It's nice to look at those people because most of them. Most of the people who are, like, really big now, a lot of them didn't even start to pop till they were in their 40s.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:19)

Right.

Guest Comedian (184:19)

So going, oh, I'm not behind.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:21)

Yeah. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (184:22)

Like this. It takes longer.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:23)

There's.

Jessica Singleton (184:23)

There's.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:24)

I. I always think myself, like, the. I always think everyone achieved everything when they were 20.

Guest Comedian (184:30)

Yeah. That. It's like.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:31)

And I think because I achieved nothing at 20, that I. I'm always like, well, they're just so funny. Far ahead of me right now.

Guest Comedian (184:36)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:36)

But most of the time that's not true at all. It's just in your head.

Guest Comedian (184:39)

It is just in your head. And it's like even like the people you look at, like people like Tom Segura and Bert Kreuther, who are so big now, but when they were my age, it's like they were in clubs and not always selling. They had their fans, but they weren't, you know, super big.

Jackie Feidelberg (184:53)

And they'll tell you that. They tell you that, but it's easy.

Guest Comedian (184:57)

To invent a story like, well, that person's at this club, they must be crushing it. And it's like they sold three tickets.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:01)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (185:02)

Life is a struggle, but it is. It's a. It's a weird. It's weird. I try not to compare. I try to be like, eyes on your own paper. Focus on being funny.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:12)

Right.

Guest Comedian (185:13)

Because it'll drive you crazy.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:15)

It's just like, I don't know. I'm not trying to be their kind of funny. Yeah, I'm trying to be my kind of funny.

Guest Comedian (185:20)

Exactly.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:21)

I was reading an interview with Josh Brolin the other day and he had a quote that I like, loved and was like. Like, that is he. It was the. The back page of Vanity Fair is like just real quick interviews with the celebrity.

Kevin Clancy (185:32)

It's awesome.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:33)

It's a really fun onepage thing to read. Back page. And they had Josh Brolin and it was like the question was like, what are your regrets? And he. Because everything is so quick, like, I don't know what he said leading up to and all that, but all that was on it was the time I spent trying to be someone else or the try the time I spent trying to be someone else.

Kevin Clancy (185:52)

I'm.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:52)

I wasn't. And I was like. I was like, oh, I never thought I had regrets. But now that you say that I do.

Jessica Singleton (185:57)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (185:58)

Like now it's like, oh, yeah, I same.

Guest Comedian (186:00)

Because you spend so much time. At least I did in comedy, you know, especially out in la, where you kind of feel like the industry is more just prevalent and it gets in your head, like, what is the industry looking for? And there were times, there have definitely been times where I kind of pull back on what is my natural, my funny and what's true to me to go even subconsciously, like, well, this is the kind of stuff that does well. So maybe I should be more like that. Not. It's not like a conscious, fully forward thing, but there have been times where I go like, yeah, that wasn't. Or I've pulled. There was. I. I became a pussy for a few years where I was like, cancel Culture. I love Rebel. I'm nice. I love everybody. And I do love everybody, but it's like, not at the sake of. Make a joke about something. Who cares? Yeah. And then I just hit a wall where I was like, what am I doing? I'm a comedian. This.

Jackie Feidelberg (186:48)

I'm going start doing Asian accents again.

Guest Comedian (186:50)

Yeah. Immediately I just like, go in full Asian face, go on the road. I blow up.

Jessica Singleton (186:55)

I do love the quote. That's like the. You could, like chase butterflies, but if you, like, grow your own garden or whatever, then the butterflies come, which is just like.

Guest Comedian (187:02)

I love that.

Jessica Singleton (187:03)

Yeah. But it's like, then if you stay in your own lane, you focus, you're just like, all right, I'm just going to do my own thing. I do think that, like, things. Things come to you.

Guest Comedian (187:10)

Yes.

Jackie Feidelberg (187:11)

Cranston had one too that was cool. Like that, where it was like, he. He said everything started getting easier for him when he realized that auditions aren't doing what we were just saying, where he's like, not trying. Like, I spent so much time trying to do what I thought the industry wanted me to do. And he was like, I finally one day accepted. Like, I'm just gonna show them how I see this role and. And if they like it, I'll work with them. If they don't, I'll. I won't. And I remember when I heard that, I was like, oh, yeah, that's. Just do it the way you see it. And if it works, fucking perfect. And if it doesn't, we'll find someone else.

Guest Comedian (187:44)

Yeah. No, because it's like, you're never gonna know. That's so funny. Because my manager slash my boyfriend. Yeah. I sleep with my manager. So what? Yeah. You want me to take this high paying job that's shitty. You go down on me. But maybe he was sharing that quote with me. He said something very, like, similar to that. And it shifted the way I auditioned it.

Jackie Feidelberg (188:09)

Like, totally like that one.

Guest Comedian (188:12)

Granted, I haven't booked anything since. It's shifted, but I'm still over.

Jackie Feidelberg (188:16)

But I'm having more fun while I'm doing it.

Guest Comedian (188:17)

No, because it's like, you don't know. So you might as well do it the way it makes sense to you instead of going, what are they looking for? Because also, they never know what they're looking for.

Jackie Feidelberg (188:25)

Right.

Guest Comedian (188:26)

I've auditioned for things and gotten callbacks where they're like, yeah, this. And then I see who they cast and I'm like, well, why were you even talking?

Jackie Feidelberg (188:34)

Yes. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (188:35)

If that's what you wanted I was never gonna be the part.

Jackie Feidelberg (188:38)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (188:38)

Why'd you waste all of our time? They don't know until they see it and they just go, aha.

Jackie Feidelberg (188:43)

Seth Rogen was talking about the studio and he was saying it was his first time. I guess it was my business first time, like watching the audition tapes and he was saying how, like, it him up and he felt really bad watching it because he was like, everyone was doing so good. It just wasn't what I was looking for.

Kevin Clancy (188:59)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (189:00)

And then I heard that and I was like, that's probably how most people watch it. Like, oh, yeah, this is pretty good. He doesn't do what we want, but, like, keep an eye on that guy or whatever that, you know, they say.

Guest Comedian (189:09)

Yeah, that's what I look at auditions as now is that like, I just want the casting director to remember me for something else when I won't think of me next time. Because you have to think. Especially when you start going out for bigger roles and like big shows, big movies. It's like, probably everyone they're looking at is going to be decent.

Jackie Feidelberg (189:24)

Yeah. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (189:25)

It's not going to be a nut job, which is like, I'm Walter White, you know, it's like, so just do your thing. It's hell. There's so much you can't control.

Jackie Feidelberg (189:35)

Right. That. And then I think that, like helps with auditioning and life where you're like, I don't have any control over this. I'm just gonna. I'll do my thing. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. And I'll probably never see you again either way.

Guest Comedian (189:46)

Yeah, it's like, try. It's a weird balance of trying to still have hope but then also not give a shit.

Jackie Feidelberg (189:52)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (189:52)

It's like, because once I'm done with a self tape, I'm like, I don't care. I'm just gonna assume I'll never hear about it, dude. And if I do, I'll go me. And then I'll bomb the callback.

Jackie Feidelberg (190:03)

Pavs.

Kevin Clancy (190:03)

Who?

Jackie Feidelberg (190:03)

One of the producers here, director Les Mascots. He helps me out with a few things I've tried and he always sends it to me, like, once he's done and edits the. Not edits it, but just clips it.

Guest Comedian (190:13)

So it has to be.

Jackie Feidelberg (190:14)

And he sends me. And I do do not ever look, I'm just like, put that off to whoever needs to see it. But that is not my business.

Guest Comedian (190:21)

The fact that some people can go back over any of their footage Having to make clips for social media has slowly eaten away at me. I never want to see myself doing comedy because I'm, I'm disgusting. I'm like. I'm like, oh, well, they're not coming to my page for my look, so I'll just keep humping the stool or whatever, keep bumping the stool because you're always going to find something. It's so easy to be critical of yourself. We're our biggest critic. So yeah, no, I never want to watch back. Cuz I'll probably not send in the tape. Never mind.

Kevin Clancy (190:50)

Screw it.

Jackie Feidelberg (190:51)

That's. I'm like, this is someone else's problem. They got to watch this every single time.

Jessica Singleton (190:56)

Like, I edit the podcast. I would just like joke with myself cuz I would be like, all right, I'm not going to pull up a Botox like, like plastic surgery page this time. I go, I'd edit. And every single time I'd be like, no, I'm getting, I'm getting more Botox. I'd go to the page, I'd see how expensive it was. I'd be like, never mind, I can't afford it. Put the phone down. Every single time I go to the page.

Guest Comedian (191:16)

No, I'm right there with you. I just had a clip come out and I have done Botox a couple times and now I'm like, I guess I'm the kind of person who is going to do Botox, but it's been a minute and I have a clip just yelling at someone on their podcast and it's just haunted. It's. It's just shitty as a woman. Like, especially now, it's like everyone's filtered and everyone's perfect and then.

Jackie Feidelberg (191:39)

But I see most people probably aren't.

Guest Comedian (191:41)

Even noticing, but you're like my crochet feet or whatever.

Jackie Feidelberg (191:45)

I think that. I think the filtered and, and the fillers and stuff like that. Like, I think the guy version of that is teeth. Like, a lot of my friends have gotten new teeth and.

Guest Comedian (191:54)

Oh my God.

Jackie Feidelberg (191:55)

I think the. I think that has kind of like made me realize what I think about the other stuff where it's like, I was like, dude, you guys all have the same smile now. You guys all look like you have the same exact smile.

Kevin Clancy (192:07)

And it's creepy.

Jackie Feidelberg (192:08)

It's creepy like, like three of my best friends have like the same smile.

Guest Comedian (192:12)

And when they go too big and too white.

Jackie Feidelberg (192:13)

Yeah, yeah, I think the same thing. I think the same thing happens in my brain to like, women who've gotten work done. I'M like, you guys all just look the same age. You know what I mean? Like a 26 year old who's gotten Botox looks like a 40 year old who's gotten Botox.

Guest Comedian (192:26)

That's what's crazy is that, like, you're not younger, you're just sort of like in a weird mesh. Well, but I think it's when you get a lot of work done, I think a lot of men don't realize that there are women. The amount my boyfriend's been like, well, look at this actress. Because I'll have breakdowns. But he goes, and she's perfect, naturally beautiful. I'm like, you think that this woman has never had Botox? Yeah. She has over a thousand dollars worth of product on her face. I remember being on a date with a guy who we went to see Wonder Woman and he's like. And I said, oh my God, she was so beautiful. And he's like, I can't believe. Yeah. And without any makeup. And I was like, I like, found an article about her makeup and I sent it to him. And he's like, he didn't even remember saying it. I was like, don't you understand? You don't know what we go through. I almost went and got professional makeup for this because I was like, I'm gonna, I'm on a camera. Just being a woman's a nightmare.

Jackie Feidelberg (193:14)

But I, I think the. So I'm obviously just as dumb. And I think the same things where I'm like, yeah, she's not even wearing makeup. But I think that's because growing up, girls would always say, I'm not wearing makeup when they were wearing makeup. Yeah. But so now I see a face of makeup and I go, actually doesn't have any makeup on. Because my whole life people told me that wasn't makeup.

Guest Comedian (193:35)

Really?

Jessica Singleton (193:35)

That's fair.

Guest Comedian (193:36)

I don't believe people actually saying that.

Jackie Feidelberg (193:38)

I mean, like, it wasn't like this. It sounds like in a clip, it sounds like it happened much more often than it did. But like one girls would pretend like, no, I'm just not. This is me.

Guest Comedian (193:48)

Oh, I gotta set the expectations away. I. When I'm not wearing makeup, I say I'm wearing all of it just to set the expectations way lower.

Jessica Singleton (193:54)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (193:55)

So when you're wearing makeup, I'm just kidding.

Guest Comedian (193:57)

I won't actually do that. But it's just like, I'm just saying I would do the opposite. It's like, why would you line so you're not wearing makeup because then when someone sees you Actually, without makeup, they're gonna think you're like a war. They're gonna go, do you have cancer? Like, that's what. Dude.

Jackie Feidelberg (194:07)

Like, young people. Like, I was a kid. I don't mean like when I was in college. I mean, like, like through, like teenage years, through high school. I feel like girls were.

Guest Comedian (194:15)

You don't think that there's a chance maybe they were in fact not wearing makeup?

Jessica Singleton (194:19)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (194:19)

Wait, maybe some of them weren't. I wasn't even trying to be.

Jessica Singleton (194:22)

Like, they didn't say that.

Guest Comedian (194:23)

I'm just surprised to hear that.

Jackie Feidelberg (194:25)

Again, it wasn't like the girls weren't kicking in the door. Be like, no makeup today.

Guest Comedian (194:29)

But, oh, we didn't wear the same.

Jackie Feidelberg (194:30)

School, but like, it would just come up like, oh, like, you look nice. Again, no makeup today. I don't. Obviously. Maybe this is a smaller situation than.

Kevin Clancy (194:37)

I thought it was.

Jessica Singleton (194:37)

I've definitely done that here where I'm like, I didn't even wear makeup today. And then I have concealer, eyeliner.

Jackie Feidelberg (194:43)

Yeah. It's like, oh, I. I like to.

Guest Comedian (194:45)

Do it as a bit when I have full makeup on. I just woke up like this. Yeah, yeah. No makeup. Makeup, by the way, is such a skill.

Jessica Singleton (194:53)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (194:53)

People who can really do their makeup in a way where they just look fresh face and you. You aren't sure. I wish. I. I'm either. I'm either actually no makeup or Mrs. Doubtfire. Like, it's.

Jackie Feidelberg (195:05)

What would you think about if your boyfriend or a guy, you know, started wearing makeup? No, no, genuinely, like, if you were with a guy and he was like, I think I'm gonna give makeup a whack, would that be a turn off?

Guest Comedian (195:21)

I would just like to see him do it. I go, go ahead. Let me see how easy you think this is. Yeah, no, give yourself. But men, you men could just grow a beard and that's contour.

Jackie Feidelberg (195:32)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (195:32)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (195:32)

Like, I don't know. I think it would weird me out.

Jackie Feidelberg (195:36)

But I remember there was a. There was a men's makeup brand that started somewhat recently in the last five years or so that they had reached out and they're like, do you want. They want to advertise. And we were like, no, because I forget why. I forget if, you know, whatever. But it was like, it was called, like, war Paint. And I remember just seeing it and being like, if a guy's gonna use makeup up, he's not going to use like. Like, you know what I mean? Like the kind of guy who is going to bridge that gap to be like, the kind of guy who's going to go, you know what? I'm going to try makeup. It doesn't. It's not going to, like, Like, I'm. I'm that guy. Like, I.

Guest Comedian (196:12)

You don't need to manly it up.

Jackie Feidelberg (196:13)

I. I've never done it, but if I were to try, I'm. I'm probably one of the guys who are like, you could convince me.

Kevin Clancy (196:19)

You're like, ah, all right, I'll give it a whack.

Jackie Feidelberg (196:21)

I would not use war paint. Like, I. I would be like, I'm going to get a better one.

Guest Comedian (196:25)

Maybe like Laura Mercier. Yeah. I'm gonna get one with a good reputation. Although isn't that, like, a thing that people used to like some. That women would call it that it's my war paint?

Kevin Clancy (196:36)

Is that what. Really?

Guest Comedian (196:36)

Yeah. No, I feel like I don't know who, but that was, like, a thing.

Jackie Feidelberg (196:40)

I can definitely see that.

Guest Comedian (196:42)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (196:42)

I don't know if men have the patience for makeup.

Guest Comedian (196:44)

Yeah.

Jessica Singleton (196:45)

Because sometimes when I put on, like, you know, setting spray, and then you gotta, like, wait a minute, you gotta do the eyeliner, and then if you mess it up up, you have to do it again. All that you. I don't. I don't think you would last past foundation.

Jackie Feidelberg (196:58)

No, I completely.

Jessica Singleton (196:59)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (197:00)

Yeah, it is. I had to. I got a lesson. I paid a makeup artist to teach me because. And I'm still not very good, but miles better. And I would think I was putting makeup on like I believe a man would. And then when she taught me about. Yeah, like, setting spray, and you have to let this dry moisturize, but you have to wait. And then doing the eyes first, it was just like, oh, this is. This is hell.

Jackie Feidelberg (197:24)

Were you, like, in high school, like, the orange face, like, to hear kind of deal?

Guest Comedian (197:28)

No, but we definitely had those. We had girls with, like, the orange face, like, the white lips, and then they had square hair. Like, they would tease it. And I was like, you look in the mirror and go, yes.

Jackie Feidelberg (197:41)

Yeah. Yeah.

Guest Comedian (197:42)

I was very. I wasn't allowed to wear makeup till I was. Was 16 because I. My stepdad was just a misogynist pig. But then I was just eyeliner, mascara, and like the jizziest looking lip gloss, like glitter. Just like, it looked like I had frosting on my face all the time. I'm so hot.

Jackie Feidelberg (198:03)

Is it crazy, like, what the brain does? Like, like, because you genuinely believe that in that moment. And I have plenty of times where I look like a idiot and I like, in that moment I was like, I am killing this. And somehow like 20 years later, it's like, what the fuck did you think you were doing?

Guest Comedian (198:18)

Why did I do that to me? Yeah. I'll take big swings on outfits. Sometimes I go, oh, my God, am I an icon? And then later I go, I'm a clown. I'm literally a clown.

Jackie Feidelberg (198:29)

I have decades of pictures where I'm like, are you wearing like, nylon shoes that are hot pink? What the.

Guest Comedian (198:37)

And you like, chose that. And you go like, God, I'm cool.

Jackie Feidelberg (198:41)

And then 20 years, I'll look back at what I'm wearing right now and I'll go, what the do you think you're wearing, dude? You think that's an outfit? You look ridiculous.

Guest Comedian (198:47)

It never ends. It's like, we're never.

Jackie Feidelberg (198:51)

You're never going to be content. You're never going to be happy. You're just going to.

Guest Comedian (198:54)

No, I'm just going to. You're never going to get banks. It's a never ending battle. It's hell.

Jessica Singleton (199:01)

I think I'm going to dye my hair dark.

Jackie Feidelberg (199:02)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (199:02)

Yeah, you are.

Jessica Singleton (199:04)

I've never done Always move.

Guest Comedian (199:05)

I think it would make your eyes pop. Thanks.

Jessica Singleton (199:07)

What?

Jackie Feidelberg (199:07)

When are you gonna do it?

Jessica Singleton (199:08)

Okay, well, here's the thing is like, I was gonna do it, and then Brie got her hair dark, and so now it kind of looks like a copying Brie and about to go on tour with her. So then it.

Jackie Feidelberg (199:15)

So after tour, I, I, perhaps when you dye your hair, I don't want to steal your thunder.

Guest Comedian (199:23)

So you can also dye your hair.

Jackie Feidelberg (199:24)

A solo thing. You can have it. I've been always flirting with shaving my head.

Guest Comedian (199:28)

No, no, you can't.

Jackie Feidelberg (199:30)

I mean, everyone's really.

Guest Comedian (199:32)

I just threw up in my mouth.

Jessica Singleton (199:34)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (199:34)

And unfortunately, that makes me want to do it more.

Guest Comedian (199:36)

So you know how your head is shaped?

Kevin Clancy (199:38)

Huh?

Guest Comedian (199:39)

Do you have any idea how your head is shaped?

Jackie Feidelberg (199:41)

No.

Guest Comedian (199:41)

Oh, I bet you have like a really.

Jackie Feidelberg (199:43)

I'm not gonna like it. I just mean, like, take a buzzer and go short.

Jessica Singleton (199:46)

Go, go like this.

Guest Comedian (199:46)

You. Well, if you're gonna do it, you have to let us do it. Like on the podcast.

Kevin Clancy (199:50)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Guest Comedian (199:51)

Oh, are you gonna get headshots while it's shaved?

Jackie Feidelberg (199:53)

I don't think I have headshots. No, no, I do have. No, because I'm not gonna shave it and, like, keep become like a shaved head guy.

Guest Comedian (200:00)

Why not? What if it looks cool and you're like.

Jackie Feidelberg (200:02)

I guess if it, if, if I'm surprised and I'm like, oh, that actually works.

Guest Comedian (200:06)

What if you shave your hair and it doesn't grow back?

Jackie Feidelberg (200:09)

Well, so I've asked my stylist, shout out Erica Fleischman many times. It's the only thing I ask every time.

Guest Comedian (200:15)

She's like, stop asking.

Jackie Feidelberg (200:16)

I'm like, am I going bald? And she's like, what are you talking about? And I'll be like, I don't know. Like, this part here looks a little weird. She's like, you have a perfect hairline.

Kevin Clancy (200:24)

Shut up.

Guest Comedian (200:24)

Let me tell you. She's not going to say it until it's a little bit later than it should be.

Jackie Feidelberg (200:28)

You're not going bald, Erica. Erica would take care of me. Erica would tell me one way or the other. And I, I. Because I do. I. It's been like five years where I'm.

Kevin Clancy (200:36)

Like, I should shave my head.

Guest Comedian (200:37)

Why though?

Jackie Feidelberg (200:38)

I don't know. Just kind of do something different.

Guest Comedian (200:40)

That's bangs for man. It's like, what's really going on? You're like, this will fix me.

Jessica Singleton (200:47)

Are you going to go shaven? Dye, like bleach? Blonde?

Guest Comedian (200:50)

Dyed Slim Shady?

Jackie Feidelberg (200:52)

I know. I didn't have any bleach plans.

Guest Comedian (200:54)

Grow up.

Jackie Feidelberg (200:56)

Bleach with a red beard would look insane.

Jessica Singleton (200:59)

But, you know, that's the whole point is, like, it's kind of too look insane.

Jackie Feidelberg (201:03)

Yeah, that's true, too.

Jessica Singleton (201:04)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (201:05)

I was say, like, I'm. I'm easily. It's just going to grow back.

Guest Comedian (201:08)

So that's the thing. It's also, as a guy, like, you could just put a hat on and you're fine.

Jackie Feidelberg (201:12)

I'm not like, in, literally in like a month, it'll be normal looking again. It's not that big a deal.

Jessica Singleton (201:17)

Fast.

Jackie Feidelberg (201:18)

My hair grows pretty fast, I think. I don't know. I. I don't get it cut very often. So it's kind of just. I don't. I don't really pay that much attention.

Jessica Singleton (201:24)

Wait, let's do it together. We just show up one day, both shape.

Guest Comedian (201:29)

Dude, men are lucky. Yeah. You just wear a hat and people. It's like a negligible difference probably if you don't like it as a woman. Like, if I get a pixie cut and it doesn't look good, my life is ruined for at least a few months. And even after that.

Jessica Singleton (201:40)

But even, like you have a.

Jackie Feidelberg (201:42)

Even that in the grand scheme of things, a few months, it's just gonna be funny in a year. Like, it's not that. It's.

Guest Comedian (201:49)

When I have a bowl cut, we're Back.

Jackie Feidelberg (201:52)

Everything bad is only bad for, like, a few weeks at most. And then.

Guest Comedian (201:55)

That's Buddhism. Everything passes. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (201:59)

Yeah.

Guest Comedian (201:59)

Everything arises and passes. The good doesn't last. The bad doesn't last. Whatever.

Jackie Feidelberg (202:03)

It doesn't. And it's not even Buddhism. It's just history. You're the way the world works.

Guest Comedian (202:08)

I want to shave my head right now. No, it's true. It all, like, it eventually comes to an end. It fixes itself. You'll be fine. Yeah, you're going to be fine.

Jackie Feidelberg (202:16)

I remember talking about, like, quotes and stuff. I remember seeing a visual representative representation of time heals all wounds. It, like, changed my life. I was like, it's. I'll pull it up for you. It's a. It's. It's the coolest, like, video where I was like, oh, yeah, that's exactly how it works. So who gives a.

Guest Comedian (202:38)

You just have to let time pass and just be wounded for a while. Yeah, sure, you're bleeding out, but you won't. Eventually, you'll run out of blood.

Jackie Feidelberg (202:47)

But as you're bleeding out, doesn't it feel good to know, like, it's gonna clot? Yeah, it will clot.

Jessica Singleton (202:51)

Oh, that's. Whoa.

Jackie Feidelberg (202:53)

Well, not. Not every. Not every bullet wound will. But like, most of the.

Guest Comedian (202:57)

Sometimes when you're in the thick of. Of it because. No, that is something that helps me to go like, oh, I'm not going to feel like this forever. But there's moments where I'm still so usually irrationally upset, where that's just barely helpful, where I go, well, I won't always feel like this.

Jessica Singleton (203:11)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:11)

Yeah, right. You're like, I'll just watch a movie and then in a week, I'll feel better.

Guest Comedian (203:17)

I'll just stay on the couch.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:18)

The. Oh, I don't know what time it is. God, time flies whenever.

Guest Comedian (203:21)

Oops.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:24)

Whatever. I'm gonna text this to you. I forgot.

Guest Comedian (203:26)

Okay, great.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:26)

I have a meeting at 3. That's not here, so.

Guest Comedian (203:28)

Oh, no.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:30)

But thank you so much for coming on.

Guest Comedian (203:32)

Oh, my God. Thanks for having me.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:32)

Jessica Michelle Singleton. Yeah, it's been an absolute blast.

Guest Comedian (203:35)

Oh, my God. Thanks for having me.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:37)

Thank you.

Guest Comedian (203:37)

Oh, my God. This is great. I appreciate you having me go to your website. Oh, just go to my. Anywhere. Any social media at JMS Comedy and the link in any of those bios. I have a new special called hi, y'.

Jessica Singleton (203:46)

All.

Guest Comedian (203:46)

So check that out.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:47)

Fantastic.

Guest Comedian (203:47)

Yeah.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:48)

Thank you very much.

Guest Comedian (203:49)

Thank you. This was really great. Thank you.

Jackie Feidelberg (203:51)

And also, don't give up on that.

Guest Comedian (203:52)

Mascot Dream Season 2, baby.