Ep 344 | Public Television Doesn’t Have to Be Commie Propaganda | Guest: Daniel Harmon

Summary

Episode Summary: Ep 344 | Public Television Doesn’t Have to Be Commie Propaganda

Podcast: Kibbe on Liberty
Host: Matt Kibbe
Guest: Daniel Harmon
Release Date: August 6, 2025
Guest Background: Daniel Harmon is the executive producer of the popular children’s book series Tuttle Twins and an executive at Angel Studios.

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Introduction

In Episode 344 of Kibbe on Liberty, host Matt Kibbe welcomes Daniel Harmon, the executive producer of Tuttle Twins and an executive at Angel Studios. The episode delves into the expansion of Tuttle Twins onto international platforms, particularly its recent broadcast on Argentina's public television—a development Matt describes as "karma" for the libertarian-themed series.

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Expanding the Reach of Tuttle Twins

Key Discussion Points:

• Targeting the "Liberty Curious": Daniel Harmon emphasizes the goal of reaching individuals who are interested in libertarian principles but may not identify with the term or be familiar with classical libertarian scholars. He states, “[...] our goal was always to reach what we call the Liberty Curious. And, you know, they wouldn't know the word libertarian and they wouldn't know any of the scholars that I was into.” [00:00]

• Accessible Storytelling: Matt Kibbe highlights the importance of conveying libertarian values through emotionally compelling stories and common-sense principles like "don't hurt people and don't take their stuff," making the content accessible to a broader audience. He remarks, “[...] if you could reach them with an emotionally compelling story or common sense values like, you know, don't hurt people and don't take their stuff.” [01:45]

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Success Metrics and Growth at Angel Studios

Key Discussion Points:

• Audience Growth: Daniel Harmon shares that Tuttle Twins has become the second most-watched intellectual property on Angel Studios, maintaining steady viewership. He notes, “Seasons one through three are available for free. People that join the Angel Guild will get early access to season four when it comes out. And we've just been steadily growing.” [07:18]

• Angels Guild Membership: The Angel Guild has grown to over 1.2 million paying members, with Tuttle Twins contributing significantly to the platform's success. Harmon states, “The Angel Guild is now up to over 1.2 million paying members.” [07:18]

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Broadcasting Tuttle Twins on Argentina’s Public Television

Key Discussion Points:

• Karma and Unexpected Success: Matt Kibbe expresses excitement over Javier Milei, Argentina's president, choosing to broadcast Tuttle Twins on public TV, viewing it as an unexpected triumph for libertarian media. He comments, “I did not have on my 2025 bingo card, but I'm happy to see you there.” [09:12]

• Strategic Collaboration: Daniel Harmon explains the strategic move where Milie’s government shifted from broadcasting Marxist programming to Tuttle Twins, aiming to replace previous content with more libertarian viewpoints. He shares, “[...] the new leadership at Pacapaca... decided to replace Marxist programming with this more, you know, libertarian kind of view of what Tuttle Twins has to offer.” [08:46]

• Impact on Public Discourse: The inclusion of Tuttle Twins in Argentina serves as a counterbalance to previous government-controlled narratives, providing children with content that promotes freedom and economic principles. Harmon notes, “It's exciting to think about a rising generation of kids, kids that are kind of awakening to these principles...” [12:43]

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The Angel Guild: A Community-Driven Content Model

Key Discussion Points:

• Crowdsourced Decision-Making: Daniel Harmon describes how the Angel Guild, comprising over a million members, plays a pivotal role in greenlighting content. Every episode must be approved by the Guild, ensuring that the content aligns with community values. He explains, “We cannot have a single episode greenlit unless it goes first through the Angel Guild.” [18:01]

• Quality Control and Audience Alignment: The Guild's approval process ensures that each episode of Tuttle Twins resonates with its audience. Harmon adds, “We have to submit it to the Angel Guild first... they have to say, yes, this is an episode that amplifies light.” [18:19]

• Balancing Creative Freedom and Community Standards: Initially, some creators were hesitant about Guild feedback potentially altering their content. However, Harmon emphasizes the growing appreciation for community-driven quality assurance, stating, “now I think they're seeing more the value of that feedback and serving that audience in that way.” [19:53]

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Future Endeavors and Upcoming Content

Key Discussion Points:

• Upcoming Seasons and Expansions: Tuttle Twins is currently in production for its fourth season, promising continued growth and engagement. Daniel Harmon mentions, “Season three is complete. Season four, we're in production right now...” [07:19]

• Angel Studios' Broader Success: Beyond Tuttle Twins, Angel Studios has seen significant success with other projects like Sound of Freedom and King of Kings, solidifying its status as a “mid major studio.” Harmon states, “Angel Studios is now maybe considered a quote unquote, mid major studio at this point.” [22:43]

• Diversification of Content: Angel Studios plans to expand its portfolio with diverse projects, such as The Sketch, a film exploring themes of grief and creativity, indicating a move beyond purely libertarian or faith-based content. Harmon describes it as, “she's processing through some grief and loss and drawing some kind of crazy pictures... it's a monster movie.” [25:04]

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with Matt Kibbe and Daniel Harmon reflecting on the alignment of business strategies with core libertarian values. They affirm the importance of respecting and engaging with the audience through community-driven platforms like the Angel Guild. Harmon likens their approach to that of entrepreneurial figures in Hollywood, emphasizing the balance between creative integrity and audience satisfaction.

Final Remarks:

• Community Support: Matt Kibbe encourages listeners to support the show by visiting freethepeople.org and joining the Angel Guild to access exclusive content. He summarizes, “If you like what you hear, go to freethepeople.org/kol and support Kibbe on Liberty so we can continue to produce these honest conversations with interesting people.” [10:40]

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Notable Quotes

• Daniel Harmon: “We cannot have a single episode greenlit unless it goes first through the Angel Guild.”—[18:01]

• Matt Kibbe: “This is a perfect storm of nightmare for the left in Latin America.”—[12:35]

• Daniel Harmon: “We're just teaching the principles of freedom and economics at face value.”—[14:09]

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How to Access Tuttle Twins and Join the Angel Guild

• Streaming: Seasons one through three of Tuttle Twins are available for free on the Angel Studios app, accessible via the Apple App Store or Google Play.

• Joining the Guild: By joining the Angel Guild, members gain early access to upcoming content and have a say in future productions. Daniel Harmon encourages listeners to download the app and engage with the community-driven content model.

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This episode of Kibbe on Liberty showcases the innovative approach of blending libertarian principles with accessible storytelling through platforms like Angel Studios. Daniel Harmon’s insights highlight the potential of community-driven media to influence public discourse and foster a new generation of free-thinking individuals.

Transcript

[Matt Kibbe]

Welcome to Kibbe on Liberty. I'm live at Freedom Fest talking with Daniel Harmon, the executive producer of the Tuttle Twins and an executive at Angel Studios. The news of the day is that Javier Milei in Argentina is now streaming the Tuttle Twins on public television. Talk about karma. Check it out. Welcome to Kibby on Liberty. Daniel, good to see you. Good to see you, Matt. We were talking about my shirt, Liberty Curious, and it strikes me that what you guys are doing and what we're trying to do is similar in this sense that, you know, as much as I would love for everybody to read the libertarian books that I read when I was a kid and to suddenly become this card carrying Ludwig von Mises quoting Libertarian, that's not how normal people consume information. It's not even how they sort of process the world. So our goal was always to reach what we call the Liberty Curious. And, you know, they wouldn't know the word libertarian and they wouldn't know any of the scholars that I was into.

[Daniel Harmon]

Right.

[Matt Kibbe]

But if you could reach them with an emotionally compelling story or common sense values like, you know, don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. Right. You can, you can really turn on a new generation, like, and the audience for that is exponentially larger than it was when we were all preaching to our own choir in that echo chamber. And I've always viewed Angel Studios as sort of the. The cutting edge of, of trying to grow the audience, people that might get turned on to liberty if they had it in an accessible way.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean, for certain, what we've been trying to do with the show is attack the principles based on the principles. Right. Kind of take it or leave it, and we don't do it in terms of partisan politics or any of those things. And I mean, Conor Boyak, the author of the original book series, kind of always had that approach as well. The Tuttle Twins has always kind of had that approach with the books as well, where if you kind of lay out the arguments logically, a lot of people are going to agree with them. And in my experience, that is the case. People that are Liberty Curious, I think, often identify as center or moderate, where they're like, I disagree with this on the left, I disagree with this on the right. And they don't really know exactly where they stand.

[Matt Kibbe]

They hate partisan politics and tribalism. Yeah, yeah.

[Daniel Harmon]

Which we all do, hopefully. But when they actually watch tuttletwins, when they watch an episode all the way through, they end up agreeing with, like, over 80% of what we're saying. And we see it in the clips that go viral on our Instagram and our YouTube and on Twitter, the same kind of thing where in the comments they'll be like, oh, this makes so much sense. Why aren't other people talking like this? And then we see a follow up comment where they'll be like, oh, I just did a deep dive into this and this is some right leaning show. I'm like, we've never said we're that at all. We're just discussing the principles of freedom broadly. But then like you said, they make up their mind before, before they even try to think critically about it. Right.

[Matt Kibbe]

We did this kind of bait and switch with the first documentary we ever made was with Thomas Massie. It was called off the Grid with Thomas Massie. And Thomas Massie, of course, was elected by the Tea party in 2012. And he's very much a Liberty Republican, currently the bane of President Trump's existence, because he's actually suggesting that we probably shouldn't spend ourselves into oblivion. But this film was not designed to tell a story about a congressman or a Republican. It was designed to platform the values that lead to a good independent life, that is good steward of the land, self sufficient, healthy living. Maha, before Maha was a thing. And eventually they figure out who he is because he starts talking about his congressional pin, which he calls his precious. And at that point they're confused. I'm like, wait a minute, I thought I had to be a radical leftist to love the environment, but this guy's, I'm confused now. So it's provocative. But at that point they've heard the story, they've heard the message, they've grown to like the character and you at least have a chance for them not to shut off their hearts and minds because, oh, they're on that team.

[Daniel Harmon]

That's right. Uh huh. And I think angel has given us a really good platform where we don't have to be on that team, whatever that team is, right. That it can be a place where a whole lot of people are watching Tuttle Twins. And yes, obviously they're our audience first and foremost would probably identify as conservative or libertarian or something of that nature, or Republican. But at the end of the day, the principles of freedom, I like what Ron Paul used to say, freedom's popular. And when you actually talk to people about these issues in a logical manner and remove all the labels from it, we end up arriving at a lot of the same conclusions, right, where like we're all mad at the cronyism. We're all mad at the fact that like big government and big corporations are in bed together and are ruining all these things for us. Like, it's just we might disagree a little bit on what are the practical solutions for that.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. So give us an update on the Tuttle twins. And for those listening who don't know, this was a series of children's books. Yep. Authored by Connor Boyak. Yep. Who still hasn't been on my show. He's.

[Daniel Harmon]

He hasn't. He should be.

[Matt Kibbe]

We've, we've tried like 50 times and it's just like.

[Daniel Harmon]

It's not for lack of trying.

[Matt Kibbe]

No, it's. We'll, we'll do it maybe after this. And he can correct all the mischaracterizations that we make about him. But. And, and he connected with you guys at Angel Studios to make an animated comic series. I don't know what you. Is that what you guys call it?

[Daniel Harmon]

Animated TV series?

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yep. Huh.

[Matt Kibbe]

And that. It's been two or three years now.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yeah, I, I mean since I got involved with it and first sat down with Connor, it's been over five years.

[Matt Kibbe]

Okay.

[Daniel Harmon]

Uh huh.

[Matt Kibbe]

So how we doing?

[Daniel Harmon]

We're doing great. Season three is complete. Season four, we're in production right now, all on the angel platform. Seasons one through three are available for free. People that join the Angel Guild will get early access to season four when it comes out. And we've just been steadily growing. In fact, the Angel Guild is now up to over 1.2 million paying members.

[Matt Kibbe]

That's amazing.

[Daniel Harmon]

And our show succeeds based on the watch time of that. So we are, generally speaking, we're usually the second most watched intellectual property on Angel Studios. Kind of month in and month out. We see people rise above us, but then drop below us. And Tuttle Twins is kind of the slow and steady turtle there. We Turtle twins. Right. That kind of wins the race. And it's been going extremely well. And on social media, we've had a lot of success with the viral clips. And more recently, what's happening in Argentina.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, like big news. Lots of big news coming from Argentina. Javier Merle is the bane of every authoritarian's existence right now. And tell this story because the Tuttle twins is now being streamed on public tv.

[Daniel Harmon]

On public TV in Argentina. I don't know about stream, but broadcast.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. Broadcast.

[Daniel Harmon]

Uh huh. And what's so interesting about it is Connor in one of his latest Tuttle Twins books, he'd actually Connor and Elijah the illustrator, they had included Javier Milei as just kind of a little Easter egg in one of their books. And parallel to that, the new leadership at Pacapaca, the channel in Argentina, the public TV channel, reached out to Connor and were like, can we get Tuttle twins? Can we look into putting Tuttle twins on our. We want rights to broadcast it? Because what had happened is Millay was going about making all these cuts of things that government shouldn't have their hand in. Right? One of the things was, oh, public television, let's go ahead and cut that. We don't need to be funding that. You know, he's moved afuera, he's moved them from something like a 300 million dollar deficit to now a surplus, as I understand it, from all the cuts he's been making. But he ran into roadblocks with cutting their public television channel and he got new leadership involved there. And what they were broadcasting before was actually Marxist programming for kids. And so I guess they decided since we can't cut it and get rid of it, will just replace, replace the Marxist programming with this more, you know, libertarian kind of view of what Tuttle twins has to offer. And yeah, they, they were. Connor connected Millay's people with angels people and they were able to get a deal done. And now Pakapaka has announced that Tuttle Twins will be being broadcast in Argentina, which is. I did not have on, on my 2025 bingo card, but I'm happy to see you there.

[Matt Kibbe]

Thank you for joining me today on.

[Unknown]

Kibbe on Liberty and for being part of our fiercely independent audience. Every week my organization, Free the People, partners with BlazeTV to bring you this show. My guests bring smart perspectives on everything from current events to timeless philosophical debates. If you like what you hear, go to freethepeople.org kol and support Kibbe on Liberty so we can continue to produce these honest conversations with interesting people. Now let's get back to it.

[Matt Kibbe]

It's such a fun story. It feels like, feels like karma or something. And the Peronists never imagined that someone like Javier Milei would be elected to the presidency. So they put tremendous power in the presidency just assuming that the socialists would always be in charge. I love it. I just did a deep dive because I was trying to compare Malay's success to some of the failures of Republicans in the Trump administration to cut spending in Washington D.C. and Malays cut their government 30%. That's unprecedented. I don't think historically there's never been anything like that and I just love it. But you know, even, you know, as I was saying earlier, we don't necessarily hope that we'll create a populist social movement based on the books that I read when I was a kid. But here you have. Milei's rise to popularity was a combination of being just a tremendous and potentially outrageous performer.

[Daniel Harmon]

Like.

[Matt Kibbe]

Like, he's outsized. He's an entertainer, he puts on a good show, and he knows he understands the influencer game. But he's also a guy that read all the books.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yes.

[Matt Kibbe]

And he went to school.

[Daniel Harmon]

He's got the economics background.

[Matt Kibbe]

He's got multiple dogs named after Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises. I forgot about that.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yes, he does.

[Matt Kibbe]

So I'm like, this is a perfect storm of nightmare for the left in Latin America. Oh, yeah.

[Daniel Harmon]

I mean, and on the show, just. Just like in the original books that Connor and Elijah wrote, we highlight Mises and we are highlighting Henry Hazlitt and many of these Austrian economics thinkers. And I'm assuming that's why Milei has really taken to our show and wanted to put it on public tv. It is exciting to think about a rising generation of kids, kids that are kind of awakening to these principles and what that can mean for a generation or two down the road. It's always about the long game. Right. I mean, the Marxists have been playing the long game when it comes to entertainment for years. They've been way ahead of any of the classical liberals when it comes to their involvement in the arts and affecting culture in that way. And I do like that angel is now in that game of, okay, let's make really great art that doesn't have to be a force towards all these bad ideas. Right. That have already been tried and failed. That's really exciting to me. And it's not. And it's not even to say that because Angel's not even really the most political thing that angel has is problematic. Probably Tuttle twins. And we're not even really that political. We're just teaching the principles of freedom and economics at face value.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. Yeah. So I just had Ryan Holiday on the show, and I don't know which one of these is going to run first, but he's apparently a huge intellectual influencer on stoicism, and he, like Jordan Peterson before him and. And maybe even the Tuttle twins. There's a convergence between pop culture and substantial conversations about philosophy and economics. And that sort of explodes the old myth that you can't actually challenge your audience to dig a little bit deeper. And that's what the Tuttle twins is Doing as well. And to me that's the Wild west because there used to be these silos, right. There was academics and then there was pop culture and there was a sea.

[Daniel Harmon]

Between, a giant sea between.

[Matt Kibbe]

Not anymore.

[Daniel Harmon]

No, no. I mean, I gotta give a lot of credit to Connor Boyak and Elijah Stanfield for really kind of bridging, starting the bridging of that gap. And then we've just kind of taken it a step further with the entertainment in the cartoons where, you know, we have kids that are going through Costco and Walmart and pointing to things on the shelf and seeing the prices and saying to their parents that's the inflation monster. And they're saying that's the Federal Reserve that's doing that. And that's, that's so fun. And what happens is when you make something accessible and understandable to an eight year old, it actually makes it much more digestible to an adult as well to the parents. When you can get that sort of dinner table discussion going in the family, that's where the power really is, I feel like.

[Matt Kibbe]

But can you bring it down to the level of the intellect of an average elected official of a congressman?

[Daniel Harmon]

We're still trying. Yeah, it's got a ways to go, but no, I think it's made it much more, in fact, much more so in that vein. And we had a congressman, a state congressman in Virginia that was actually mentioning the Tuttle twin show from the House floor in Virginia. I mean it's been fun to see those kind of things. Even when we, when on X we announced that we were going to be on the Argentina public TV. Like that post alone got like 500,000 views because people were so excited and also very mad about it. Like there were plenty of, of Argentinians that were like, we gotta shut down their public TV now. I'm like, okay, you didn't want to do that before, but now you do because it's got something on there that you're not, you know, not jiving with. But anyway, it's kind of the ironies are very fun to see.

[Matt Kibbe]

So if you go back to the books and I'll go all the way back to the Scottish Enlightenment, Adam Ferguson talked about the wisdom of crowds and the things that were the products of human action, but not of human design. And he's talking about the sort of spontaneous way that free people figure stuff out.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yes.

[Matt Kibbe]

And it's a respect for everybody, not just deferring decisions and power from the top down. And the metaphor, this is what we believe in. This Is the market process.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yeah.

[Matt Kibbe]

The metaphor for the way that you guys have gone after the Hollywood model, which is top down.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yes.

[Matt Kibbe]

There's a smoke filled room somewhere.

[Daniel Harmon]

Handful of executives calling the shots and saying what should and shouldn't be made. Right.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. And now you have a guild. Is it. Is it Guild now? Yep.

[Daniel Harmon]

The Angel Guild.

[Matt Kibbe]

The angel guild of 1.2 million people who are helping figure out what should be made and what should be financed and what should be seen.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yep. And we can't even. As Tuttle twins now in season four, we cannot have a single episode greenlit unless it goes first through the Angel Guild. Meaning we have to. With every single episode we put out, we still have to submit it to the Angel Guild for their vote.

[Matt Kibbe]

Oh, wow.

[Daniel Harmon]

For it to go through, like, even at this point, we can't do it. Like, people don't understand that. Like, I'm not actually fully in control of my. Of my show and neither are the angel executives. Like, it has to go through the Angel Guild first. And they have to say, yes, this is an episode that amplifies light. Yes, I would be very disappointed if this did not exist. And we. Luckily we score very high every single time. But. But even before we go to full animation, we submit an animatic, which is the story. It's the story in storyboards form, and we have the full edit, it's the full length thing, but it's not in finished animation. That's what we submit to the Angel Guild and that's what they judge on and vote on. And we do very well in it, and we pass every time, but that is our customer. That's who we have to please. And it is that wisdom of crowds that we're accountable to.

[Matt Kibbe]

Thank you for joining me today on.

[Unknown]

Kibbe on Liberty and for being part of our fiercely independent audience. Every week, my organization, Free the People, partners with BlazeTV to bring you this show. My guests bring smart perspectives on everything from current events to timeless philosophical debates. If you like what you hear, go to freethepeople.org kol and support Kibbe on Liberty so we can continue to produce these honest conversations with interesting people. Now, let's get back to it.

[Matt Kibbe]

It's beautiful to actually have a business strategy that reflects the values that inspired you to create the company in the first place. Yeah.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yeah. It's really exciting. And I think at first we had directors and writers that were a little, little bit leery of the Guild because of the feedback that they could give. And sometimes I, as a showrunner, come in and be like, oh, we're going to pull that joke. The Guild's not really loving that. You know, we're going to, we're going to fix X, Y or Z thing. And that kind of bugged them a little bit. But now I think they're seeing more the value of, of that feedback and serving that audience in that way. And it's, and it's very clear of what they, what they, they do and they don't like. And I don't know, I find it very exciting as a creator. I mean, I have the marketing background and not everyone has that. And I also think of things more as an entrepreneur, not just straight a filmmaker, but I mean, for me, an example of this in Hollywood is Tom Cruise. I mean, Tom Cruise, I think, thinks of his films kind of like an entrepreneur, you know, of. He says to himself, I am ultimately serving the audience and I want to give them a great experience. And I'm not just out to make art for art's sake. And I think he does a pretty good job of delivering on that.

[Matt Kibbe]

And he seems to genuinely respect his audience in a way that I think a lot of people in the Hollywood bubble have a great deal of disdain for. The marketplace. Right?

[Daniel Harmon]

Yes, I think there's some of that. And I've even experienced moments like that where I'll roll my eyes at some of the comments I see come in. And we are not trying to cater to the 5% extreme, because that does exist. Even on the Angel Guild, we might have 5% of people that are just like, not into what we're doing or are just like, I find this offensive. And this isn't what I would, you know, put out there into the world kind of a thing. And if, if you always kind of go to the outlier, that's not necessarily going to serve you well. But if you kind of take a look at the whole, then that I think is where the power is.

[Matt Kibbe]

So I've had you and, and many of your brothers on my show over the years. Remind people of some of Angel's successes with this model and tell us what's coming next.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yeah, so some of the most notable successes are sound of freedom, 240 million or something like that in worldwide box office. Obviously, the Chosen got its start with, with Angel Studios. King of Kings more recently was released around Easter time that did 67 million and broke Prince of Egypt's box office record for an animated biblical opening. They did $19 million, whereas Prince of Egypt had done $14 million in the opening weekend. The one in theaters right now as we're recording. This is the last rodeo and that's done really well. That's approaching, I think, 14 or 15 million dollars. And they've, I think Angel Studios is now maybe considered a quote unquote, mid major studio at this point. They've got a pretty consistent, like get on base kind of average with those, with those box office releases where the Angel Guild, that's the monthly paying membership, they get two tickets to every theatrical release release. And so as that audience grows, there's more and more momentum behind that.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. Are you eligible for the Oscars? I don't know.

[Daniel Harmon]

Eligible for the Oscars. That's a good. Well, my show isn't because it's a TV show, but would film, would the.

[Matt Kibbe]

Would a feature film be potentially nominated? I think I'd be skeptical that they would do it because I'd be skeptical.

[Daniel Harmon]

That they would do it as well. But I was also skeptical that we would ever end up on Argentinian public television. So crazier things could happen. Yeah, for sure. I think angel has been known in the past somewhat as like a, as a faith based studio, but really their mission is about amplifying light. And so I think there's all sorts of films that can exist within that brand. So I take any of the early pictures, Pixar movies, absolutely. They would have passed Angel Guilt, Toy Story, Bug's Life, Monsters Incorporated, Finding Nemo, the Incredibles, all those would have flown right through the Angel Guild. Good core values and principles in those and just really entertaining movies. Really well done. Right?

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Harmon]

And, and so like, I think a lot of sports movies like the Last Rodeo that's in the theater right now, I like, I think of movies like Cool Runnings or Rudy or some of those, those would be perfectly at home on Angel Studios. And so I think we're gonna see over time that brand expand. And they've got some really cool things coming up, like the movie sketch, which is coming up in August as a theatrical release. And that's about a girl kind of processing through grief. I haven't seen it yet, but from what I've seen through the trailers, she's processing through, through some grief and loss and drawing some kind of crazy pictures to get her feelings out. And these, this notebook of pictures falls into kind of some mystical waters and these creatures come to life.

[Matt Kibbe]

Okay.

[Daniel Harmon]

And it's a little bit of a metaphor for apostasy through grief, as I understand it, but it's kind of a, it's kind of like a monster movie. And it's not, it's not religious, it's not faith based or anything like that. But the Guild passed it because they felt like it was a film that amplified light. So they got some really exciting stories coming up that way.

[Matt Kibbe]

So really diversifying the portfolio.

[Daniel Harmon]

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And they've also, I think, just got. As the Guild grows, that audience also diversifies and I think they're finding more and more strength in that, in what can go through the Angel Guild. Again, I think it's if you've got a good, solid story that has an uplifting positive message to it, oh man, you've got a really good chance of making it through the Guild.

[Matt Kibbe]

So remind people if they want to see the Tuttle twins or if they want to join the Guild and start getting more radically libertarian content in there.

[Daniel Harmon]

You would download the angel app that's available on the Apple App Store or Google Play. Just search angel and the app will come up. Seasons one through three are available for free there for Tuttle Twins and you can go check them out there and within the app itself too. You can join the Angel Guild and become a pain member with early access to all the great content.

[Matt Kibbe]

Very cool.

[Daniel Harmon]

And you can help decide the future of of what stories get told.

[Matt Kibbe]

Awesome. Thank you, sir.

[Daniel Harmon]

Awesome. Thanks, Matt.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, thanks for watching.

[Unknown]

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