Ep 392 | Central Planning Won't Fix New York | Guest: Larry Sharpe

Summary

Kibbe on Liberty Ep 392 Summary: “Central Planning Won’t Fix New York”
Guest: Larry Sharpe | Host: Matt Kibbe
Release Date: June 24, 2026

Overview
In this episode of Kibbe on Liberty, Matt Kibbe sits down with Larry Sharpe, Libertarian candidate for governor of New York, for an in-depth conversation about the future of New York City and state under its new socialist mayor, the ongoing problems of central planning, and libertarian answers to urban decay. Sharpe reflects on political upheaval, the allure of “rebels” across the political spectrum, and what it will actually take to revive New York and the nation at large.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Establishment vs. “Rebel” Politics

• New York is dominated by establishment politicians, even among Republicans. Both major parties cater to entrenched corporate interests, not genuine reform. (01:18)
• “Corporatism is alive and well. Where I’m in New York State, over 50% of all new business is somehow done through the military industrial complex.” - Larry Sharpe [01:52]
• New York’s massive annual population exodus continues—despite an influx of migrants, the state still posted a net loss. (01:52)
• Kibbe and Sharpe joke about both D.C. and New York being “swampy” and “communist,” setting a sardonic tone.

How “Rebel” Candidates Win

• The youthful, transient population in NYC gravitates toward “outsider” figures like Mamdani and AOC, not establishment Democrats. (04:10)
• The real divide is us-vs-them, not left-vs-right. Both parties weaponize the culture war to keep people distracted from systemic issues. (05:39)
• “We're still looking for rebels, which is why when the youth comes, the youth likes Thomas Massie, the youth on the left likes Ro Khanna, the youth on the left likes Mamdani...because they're seen as rebels.” - Larry Sharpe [06:56]
• Voters often cross ideological lines in support of candidates they see as anti-establishment.

Populism, Disaffection, and Political Disillusionment

• Many 2016 Bernie Sanders supporters seemingly flipped to Trump, not for ideological reasons, but out of a desire for rebellion against corrupt systems. (05:54)
• The American electorate is deeply disillusioned; they are seeking hope and authenticity, not policy perfection.
• Culture wars are distractions that obscure root issues like cronyism, economic hardship, and failing public services. (14:20)

Policy: What’s Wrong with Central Planning?

• Centralized control is blamed for New York’s decay, stifling local entrepreneurship and empowerment. Both rent control and heavy regulation hurt small landlords and businesses and leave only large corporates standing. (23:32)
• Example: Lockdowns killed off small business in NYC, leaving franchises and chains as the only survivors. Now, even those are leaving due to crime and regulation.
  • “New York City used to be the city that never sleeps. It sleeps now.” - Larry Sharpe [23:32]
• Mamdani’s approach is likened, critically, to Soviet-style socialism—central government owning and operating services, not worker co-ops or community ownership. (24:32)
• “What he is all about is centralized control, government taking over...That is literally Soviet.” - Larry Sharpe [24:32]
• The illusion of “hope” (e.g., Knicks winning) is seen as Mamdani’s main actual accomplishment—so far, policies are ceremonial, not results-driven. (17:03 / 19:04)

Symptoms vs. Solutions: Affordability and Urban Decline

• Making buses ‘free’ or apartments cheaper via rent control is seen as treating symptoms; the real solution is enabling community ownership and free enterprise. (48:14 / 50:47)
• “Rent control always works. Every single time. Except for never.” - Larry Sharpe [50:53]
• Centralization always eventually leads to grift, inefficiency, and decay because success is punished and failure is rewarded in government. (28:09)
• Private initiatives and competitive community solutions are favored: “Social entrepreneurs” like parents forming schooling pods during lockdowns are cited as practical models. (32:42)

Education Reform

• Current public schools are failing, spending $40,000 per student per year to produce mediocre graduates reliant on debt and ill-prepared for life. (33:24)
• Sharpe suggests moving to K-10 before options (college, vocational training, or work) and a GI Bill-style funding model that gives each student $20,000 over five years to use as they see fit. (34:51)
• He also advocates for a New York state sovereign fund to pay for social services independently of taxation, thereby reducing grift and political interference. (36:57)
• “I just want happiness. Are the kids gonna be happy? Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. We forgot that part.” - Larry Sharpe [36:38]

Barriers to Political Change & The Duopoly’s Grasp

• New York’s ballot access laws are designed to suppress third parties. After Sharpe’s success in 2018, rules were changed (more signatures, shorter timeframes, higher hurdles) to make it nearly impossible for third parties to organize or appear on ballots. (61:53)
• The ruling duopoly operates as a cartel. Republicans in New York, despite having no statewide power, deliberately refuse to build coalitions—even though they could win with libertarian or outsider support. (71:21)
• “The Republican leadership hates me. The Republican voter loves me. Everywhere I go, Republicans come out. They love me. The voter does. The establishment hates me.” - Larry Sharpe [77:44]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Central Planning:

• “[Mamdani] is all about centralized control...That is literally Soviet. That's government control, not people controlling.” - Larry Sharpe [24:32]

On Third Parties:

• “Third parties, they allow people to have a voice, which means I don't feel like I have to be angry and be violent. I get a voice.” - Larry Sharpe [78:34]

On Establishment Entrenchment:

• “No one wants to fix them. There's no value in fixing them. The value is in keeping the people fighting. Drives me crazy.” - Larry Sharpe [36:38]

Notable Segment Timestamps

• 01:18 — The dominance of establishment politics in NY, across both parties
• 05:39 — American obsession with “rebels” and the left-right distraction
• 14:20 — Culture wars distract from core community values and real solutions
• 17:03 — Mamdani gives hope, but achievements thus far are ceremonial
• 23:32 — Lockdowns’ lasting harm to NYC’s economy and character
• 24:32 — Mamdani’s “Soviet” model: why worker ownership is different than state ownership
• 33:24 — Sharpe’s proposed education reform and sovereign fund
• 48:14 — The real (lack of) progress on free buses & other affordability promises
• 61:53 — The challenge and manipulation of ballot access for third-party candidates

Larry Sharpe’s Closing Message

• Revolutionary change without violence requires third-party options, which keep the system responsive, expand dialogue, and incorporate new issues.
• “If you impede peaceful revolution, you ensure violent revolution...Third parties matter.” - Larry Sharpe [78:34]
• Examples like Jimmy McMillan’s “The Rent is Too Damn High” party and RFK Jr’s independent run illustrate how outsider candidacies force major parties to adapt and address real issues.

Summary Tone
The episode is irreverent, passionate, and analytical. Sharpe and Kibbe combine humor with pointed criticism of New York’s political establishment, the spectacle of rebel worship in American politics, and the failures of central planning. Sharpe repeatedly offers systemic, bottom-up reforms guided by practical libertarian principles and appeals for voters to demand options beyond the current duopoly.

For listeners seeking insight into NYC/NYS politics, the libertarian view on current socioeconomic woes, or a primer on why establishment politics fails to fix real problems—this episode is essential.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to Kibbe on Liberty. I'm talking to Larry Sharp, the Libertarian candidate for governor in New York State. And we're going to talk about the new socialist mayor of New York City and whether or not Gotham will finally fall to radical ideology. Check it out. Welcome to kibby on liberty, Larry. Welcome to Mordor. You've come from the People's Republic of New York. I don't know which is better, but you're in D.C. now, my friend.

[B]

I have returned. You may rejoice. Yes, yes, I have returned. Yes. I'm not sure which one's worse. I mean, you guys are swampier than me, but I think I'm kind of more communist than you. Yeah, yeah, I think we got that one.

[A]

Although I feel like we have some communists and you have some machine politicians as well.

[B]

Oh, my God. The establishment is everything in my state. My state is. Even my Republicans are establishment. They love the establishment more than anything. That's. That's the best thing. And this is why you would think that in a Democratic state like New York State, that everybody would just love Mamdani. Now. People do love him. He's very charismatic. He absolutely is. But they actually prefer, particularly the wealthy. They prefer the more Kathy Hochul types. They prefer the more corporate Democrats because they keep the trains running. In theory, they keep things the same. They keep things exactly how they like it and they're pretty much happy with it.

[A]

So. So more Mussolini than Mao, correct?

[B]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Corporatism is alive and well. Where I'm in New York State, over 50% of all New business is somehow done through the military industrial complex. There's virtually no private enterprise that is expanding in New York State without government interference. Government is the reason for any expansion. In my state, we are losing more people every year than every other state in the Union. We lose over 100,000 people every year. As high as 200,000 people per year. And we got 200,000 migrants and still lost 100,000 people last year. So, yeah, people are running away from my state all over the place. And it's every level. I mean, the average person lives in my state makes about $400,000 a year. That's the average. So some make like 40 or 50 or 30. But there's a bunch who make a million, 2 million, 3 million. I mean, finances in my state. New York City has the most amount of billionaires of any city in the country. So a lot of heavy hitters still live there. Mostly because of culture more than anything else.

[A]

So are you. Remind me, are you Physically in the city, I am.

[B]

I'm actually the weird one. New York City is very special for many reasons. About one third of the people in New York City are not born in the country. Another one third aren't born in the city. So most people who are in New York now aren't born there. Right. That's the most common thing. Very transient city. I'm actually born in Manhattan, St. Vincent's Hospital, which was torn down. I then grew up in the Bronx and then on Long island and now I live in Queens. I've been in queens for over 20 years. In fact, mom, Donnie was my assemblyman. He was on my show. I interviewed him three years ago and warn people how good he was. Yeah, he was very savvy. And no one listened to me. I told people three years ago, this guy's going someplace. And no one listened. And AOC is still my congress person. I accept your condolences.

[A]

Yeah, I. Right, well you'll get nothing from me because I live two blocks, I'm surrounded by criminals.

[B]

That's true, yes.

[A]

Their first names are all senators, so that's my own cross to bear. But I was looking at. And I remembered this instinctually, but was reminded because the demographics that voted for Mondami, like Gen Z, Gen X, millennials in particular, he dominated with young people almost precisely the way that Thomas Massie.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Dominated his primary.

[B]

Correct age. That's true. But there's a secondary piece that's New York City specific. The shorter time you've been in New York City, the more likely you were to vote for them. So people who are born in New York City did not vote for him. It was everyone who came, all the immigrants who came to New York City, all the transy people, I won't necessarily call them immigrants, many of them are from America, but different parts of the country who came to New York City. So that too, I agree. Look, people want something new, that's for sure. The, the biggest battle right now is really between the establishment and the non establishment. That's actually true and the establishment knows that. So they keep throwing this left right narrative at us so that we'll fight amongst ourselves. Right. But the reality is it's not left versus right, it's us versus them. That's the reality. And establishment is, is very popular. And people in New York State will say, oh well that's good because then if they don't like Kathy Hochul, then they'll vote for a Republican. No, they don't like Kathy Hochul, who's my Democratic Governor, they'll go further left. You see that in LA also, because they believe that further left is the rebellion. They used to believe that further right was. That's Trump. Right. If you go back as we've been looking for rebel since 2008, we thought Obama was a rebel. I mean, clearly he wasn't, but we were fooled by him. As a nation, maybe the individual person wasn't, but as a nation, we were fooled by Obama. We thought he was gonna be a rebel. He's different. He's super cool. Guy can play basketball. Come on. Right. Almost as cool as Clinton doing a saxophone. Right. We could do it. We all believed he was gonna be a rebel.

[A]

He was so anti war that he got the prize before he even could drop the first one.

[B]

Absolutely. And this is a record. I don't think anyone can beat getting a Nobel Prize while bombing eight countries. I mean, you know, beat that, Trump. Beat that. I don't think he can. It's impossible.

[A]

Don't, don't encourage him.

[B]

I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry. Let's cut that. Because he might hear it and then do it. But, no, but the, the point being, we, we thought he was a rebel. Then we figured, okay, he's not a rebel. Then we thought Bernie was rebel. And then when Bernie turned, the amount of Bernie Bros who went to Trump, I mean, it's huge. Some people say up to a third. Yeah, probably true. The guy who used to run my marketing when I ran for governor, 2018, he was a former Bernie Burr who voted Trump same. He just, he didn't understand Bernie's policies or Trump's policies. He just knew, Bernie's a rebel. I want that guy. Oh, Bernie's gone. Trump's a rebel. I want that guy. And I felt the same way when I was voting as a youngin. I voted for Ross Perot twice and Ralph Nader twice. In fact, I knew so little, I thought Ralph Nader replaced Perot on the ballot. I didn't know there were certain parties. I had no idea. So I just thought, oh, they're rebels and vote for them. So I understand that. So we're still looking for rebels, which is why when the youth comes, the youth likes Thomas Massie, the youth on the left likes Ro Khanna, the youth on the left likes Mamdani. Right. So they like these guys because they're seen as rebels. I completely agree.

[A]

You know, I did. This reminds me of two data points, and I talked about one of these on your show. But I remember this New York Times article. Where Trump was trolling Bernie and actually doing a rally in downtown Bern, Burlington, Vermont. And the New York Times showed up to find. They were hoping to find a bunch of people that would trash Trump because he was the bad guy and Bernie was the. He's a little extreme, but he's an honest broker of young people's ideas. And they went down the line of people. People are lined up forever.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And they went down the line. And one after another, even though they're waiting in line to go see Trump. One was like, well, I'm kind of a Bernie guy, but I like Trump.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Or I'm a Trump guy, but I'd vote for Bernie.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I totally get that. Like on a kind of a superficial way.

[B]

This is Joe Rogan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Joe Rogan was a Bernie bro. Then he had Trump on his show. Same.

[A]

And he was a Ron Paul guy.

[B]

And he's Ron Paul.

[A]

Yes, same.

[B]

I'll tell you, it's rebel, rebel, rebel. People who are stuck in the left right paradigm don't get this. I'll give you a good example. When I ran for governor, I had a guy send me a picture of his house in front of his house. Picture of his house is him standing there. And he's got four signs there. Right. One is a Don't tread on Me. The next is the Confederate flag. The next is Trump. The next is Larry Sharp. All four together. And you would think, how is that at all? And I said, this is upset New York. He doesn't see it as a Confederate flag. Right. Maybe Georgia. Maybe you do. I don't know. Maybe Mississippi. Maybe you do New York. You don't see this competitor. You see it as a rebel flag. That's how you see it. Right. So those four together, in his mind, all four were symbols of rebellion. He didn't care. He just saw the symbols of rebellion. They were all the same to him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now obviously all fours are very different, but in his mind it was the same. He sent me that picture.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I just thought that was an amazing thing. We are looking for rebels like there's no tomorrow. I think you saw it with Mamdani. You see it all over the place.

[A]

And, and there's also. And this, this should be the libertarian opportunity there is. On a superficial level, people are pissed off at precisely the things that we've been criticizing from day one, whether it be mass incarceration or crony capitalism or never ending war, the war on drugs. The list goes on and on. And like in 2016, I did a video sympathetically comparing Ron Paul to Bernie Sanders. And if you didn't watch the video, you're angry at me for one of those two reasons. Right, Right. But if you watch the video, like, yeah, they're actually running on the same things. Mondami is running on affordability.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Unfortunately, the solutions are fundamentally different. Yes. But the fighting, the power fighting, the man realizing that the system is fundamentally corrupt and screwing real people. Americans are there 100%. We're ready for that.

[B]

Things that I'm concerned about. Right. I agree with you on Mom. Donnie, again, I know I'm ahead of my show. His. The thing that he does very well is he actually does what Trump did very well early on, which is explain the actual problems of Americans. Right. He's talking about things that people actually care about. Would I like the buses to be free? Sure. I just don't want taxpayers to pay for it. Can you find another way of doing it? I can. I've already explained my ways of doing it. You can find ways to have cheap and or free buses. You can do it. It's about free or cheap subways in New York City. You can do it. Absolutely. But you don't have to use taxpayer dollars to do so. There are other ways of raising money to make that happen. Of course you could. And when I spoke to him about that, he actually wasn't against it. He's like, okay. Like, he was okay. What he wanted in his mind was, I want the people to have free transportation. I'm not against free trans. I do chuck all the time in the libertarian world. I walk into a libertarian world and I say, hey, guys, everybody here who's against universal healthcare? All the hands go up. I go, so if I had a free market system that included volunteerism, that gave everybody healthcare, you'd be against it? They go, you're not against universal health care. You're against the government mandate. There's a difference. Understand that you can talk to the left. Right. You're not against universal health care, you're against the government mandate. So let's figure out a way to make that happen. And when people see that they want to make change, and he sees change a lot part with libertarian part of that. That's an issue. You're right. It should be our time. We really like to virtue signal. And that's a problem for libertarians. We have to be. I'm more righteous than you versus I have a practical solution. It's one of our biggest problems. Not just that we in the party and this is not the Movement. I. The movement's large than the party, obviously. Right. The party is just one part of the movement. The party itself, which should be electing these people right now. Right. Putting them up and getting, you know, senators and governors and assemblymen. Getting them all elected is struggling because it also falls into a left, right paradigm within the Libertarian Party. And so I think we fall into the same issues, the same problems that other parties do. And we have a history of failure, which is tough on our morale. Right. I see it myself. If I was a Republican or Democrat and I run and I lose, they go, you'll get them next time, Larry. Democrat. You'll get them next time, Larry. Republican. And you run again next time, Larry. I run once. Libertarian don't win. I trusted you. I believed in you. You're horrible. I hate you, Larry Sharp. How dare you not win and change the entire country overnight. Right. So. Which is why you see so few people run. I'm an oddball. Most libertarians do not run more than once. Most don't. Some do. Most don't.

[A]

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[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I'm thinking to myself, you have an actual bonafide democratic socialist about to take the Democratic nomination and you're disappointed.

[B]

Right? Yes.

[A]

So it's, there is this. Yes. There is this circular firing squad by purity test. I get that. But you know, one thing you said that is, is equally important is a lot of us fall for these culture wars.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you know, they, they throw something in the ring and then we all start fighting with each other. Perhaps forgetting that our core value is community cooperation and private solutions to complex social issues.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We're not gonna get the government to pass a law.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We're gonna go fix it ourselves.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But we fall for that. And that's why they do it like 100%. This stuff works.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because we're fight. I don't, I don't even know what stupid thing we're fighting about today. But we're, they'll figure it out. We're, we're kind of hoping that Trump gets us out of a never ending war and you know, fingers crossed and you know it's going to be difficult to do.

[B]

Let's assume that he gets us out. Let's meet. Doesn't get us out. The people in my state still can't pay the energy bill either way. The people in my state still can't pay their rent or their mortgage. People in my state still don't have a good education. My kids still can't read. So he gets us out of Iran. Awesome. Not mad about that. Or he keeps in Iran. Not happy about that. But either case, my kids can't read. And when I say our kids can't read, I'm not joking. We have the lowest literacy rate we've had since 1979. Functional illiteracy in New York state in, in the country is about 19%. So we can't read, we can't do math, we can't function. We're not ready to go to work. We're all in college debt. Everyone who's under 30 lives with their parents or has four roommates. We're not getting married. We're not pair bonding. We can't pay our rent, we can't pay energy bill. And he's going to get us in or out of Iran. I mean, I don't want him to be in Iran. But to your point, we're fighting over stuff over here where people are still struggling. Here I would like people to be happier. Our middle class is gone. This is the same stuff mom dying talks about, which is why Mamdani is winning. Because he talks about what I just said.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. He wants people able to get in a bus and go to work or Have a job, even AI. We have no idea what's happening with AI. Half people are scared of AI. People want to ban AI. And then as much people are going to make gazillion dollars in AI. We don't. Who's about that? We're worried about whether or not we're getting out of Iran or not. This is more distraction.

[A]

Yeah. Which gets us back to affordability. Let's assume. Mom. I want to get it right. Mom. Donny.

[B]

Mom. Donnie's his name.

[A]

Mom.

[B]

Donny.

[A]

And let's assume he actually believes his socialism.

[B]

He does.

[A]

And what is he doing so far that is helping and hurting in New

[B]

York City right now? What he's doing that is helping. I'll give him credit where credit is due. He has made many New Yorkers believe that there's hope, which they didn't have before. So I'll give him that. I want to be fair. A lot of New Yorkers. And then the Knicks just won, which gave us even more hope. Right. And now people get mad.

[A]

No, he did that too.

[B]

Well. No, but it feels like he did. Right. If. Remember if. And I did this on my show, I said, Trump coming to the Garden was the worst thing he could possibly done. If the Knicks lose that game, the Democrats will blame him for the loss. And they literally did. They said, literally, Trump's mojo destroyed the Knicks. That's why they lost. They literally said, now, we all know Trump doesn't have that kind of match about how to make the Knicks lose. However, it doesn't matter. Politics is about emotion, and the emotion was perfect. As soon as he leaves the Knicks win, Mamdani's making sure that when Trump came. The good thing about what Mamnani does very well is he's a good politician. Right. He knows how to play the game very well. So when Trump has to come in, he has to shut down some of the local watch parties for security reasons. So Hamdani opens up new ones same day. Brilliant move. I don't know if it's him or his team, whatever. They counteract everything very well. And the people in New York City who are getting it, love it. The regular, average New Yorker loves it. So he has given people hope. It feels good. It feels like he gave us the next. Of course he didn't, but it feels like he did. Right. Things are, like, happening when Mamdani comes in, takes advantage of it. Right. He spent the time literally in a bar hanging out with New Yorkers. Brilliant move. Again, I mean, just brilliant move. This is equivalent to What Trump did, when Trump came to the Bronx, right, three years ago, was it. Whatever it was. Two years ago, he went to the Bronx. Brilliant move by Trump. Show up in the Bronx, people going, my God, Trump's here. They loved it. Okay. Showed up. They loved him. He got a great reception in the Bronx. Right. Mamdani is the same thing. They're very similar in that regard. So he has given us hope. What else has he done? Every time he passes some kind of law, he says, promise made, promise kept, which means people are now acting like he's believing he's going to do what he says he's going to do. They're believing in him now. Has he done anything that's actually helped us? No, he hasn't. We don't have free buses. We don't have better bus service. We don't have better anything.

[A]

It's all ceremonial.

[B]

Yeah, it's ceremonial. So is the city better off with him? No, it isn't. It isn't. But is it being destroyed? No, it is not. Not much worse. It's the same Curtis Lee Wasetta who ran for mayor. He was the Republican candidate. He said, look, we've survived. De Blasio will survive Mamdani. That's what he said. And he's right. Right. Will Mom Donnie harm us in the long run? Yes. So did de Blasio. De Blasio did, and so will he. Mom, Dan is slowing down the cars like you down, I think, if I'm not mistaken, de Blasio brought the speed limit down to 25. And mom Donnie's bringing down a 20, which slows things down even more. It doesn't help, and it makes things a little bit worse in that regard. However, he'll say there'll be less dead bikers or something, or cyclists or something. He'll. He'll say something like that. So symbolically, he's very good. Actual policies? Not so far. Will his. Will his grocery stores hit? They will, I think next year or two years from now, his gross doors will come. He's got a bunch of money from it. Kathy Hochul, our governor, has given him money. So he'll get money from it. The feds will probably give money, too. They always give money. Particularly if the. If in 2028 there's a Democratic president, we'll throw money at him, right? So he'll get money. So he's a popular guy who do lots of ceremonial things. That would be cool. The city will just continue to do the same thing it always does. It'll decay the City's been decaying for decades. It'll keep decaying.

[A]

So. So remind me about the Soviet grocery stores. He. He says that there's price gouging in the city and kind of ignoring the fact that it's probably hard to get fresh groceries into downtown Manhattan or.

[B]

Well, the issues that you have is several fold. And what I will again, I'll give credit. Credit is due. Kathy Hochul has recognized this man. My governor's now talking about it at least. She's talking about lowering car insurance. She's talking about lowering the prices to do things. She's one good thing that in my city, de Blasio did. He was a terrible mayor, but he did one thing that was good, which is he actually made it for our board of our. I'm sorry, our Department of Buildings. If you put in something to build and department buildings, can I give you a reason as to why you can't build it? Within 45 days you're approved. That was good. They should follow more of that. What Mamdani is not getting is people aren't moving into these areas for several reasons. One is a high crime rate. Right. And when you're not prosecuting people for minor crimes, they just keep shoplifting. They have to raise their price to survive because shoplifting is massive. And now what winds up happening if you go to most like the Walgreens or CVS and such things are behind glass now. What does that mean? I don't want to go there anymore. Because I got a knock on the door, ask somebody for help. Everything's behind the glass. I don't want to go anymore. I'd rather go to Amazon. I'd rather go to online. I'd rather just. I'd rather go to, you know, whatever. My Walmart delivery, whatever, whatever is the thing of the day. I want to go there instead. I don't want to go anymore. So people are stopped, are not going to the stores anymore. So you either have massive shoplifting or you have massive security. Either way, it's a high price for the local place. That's why only chains can survive. There's been. There's been stories about, oh, targets leaving New York. That's not true. But all the chains are. Have less stores. They're all. Walgreens is dropping out. CVS is dropping out. Targets dropping out. They're not leaving the city, but they're all closing stores. They can't survive. They just can't. There's no way anything that's retail can't survive. So that's the problem, it isn't that, you know, if he made it easier and safer for stores to open, they would. The other issue they have is in most of the local neighborhoods, it isn't the local people who own anything. The ownership mindset is gone from most of these local neighborhoods. That's the problem. They're all franchises. I give this example. I grew up in the Bronx, South Bronx by Yankee Stadium. When I was a kid, there was a pizza place there called Joe's Pizza. That guy came from Italy, right? That guy came from Italy. When he retired, he was probably 60 or something. He retired, he gave it to his daughter Paula. It became Paula's Pizza. Now it's a Subway and the owner lives in Connecticut.

[A]

How much of this is my issue that, you know, I obsess about? So much concentration of corporations and companies happened during lockdowns. And of course, New York was the epicenter of stupid lockdowns.

[B]

Lockdowns destroyed my city.

[A]

So you killed local businesses and the chains could ride it out, but now that you've killed all the local businesses, you're dependent on the chains. And now that there's so much crime, the chains are like, eh, I could go make money somewhere else.

[B]

Correct, yeah. Yes. And the lockdowns were so horrible for so many reasons. But I'll give you one of the most New York City centric reasons. New York City used to be the city that never sleeps. It sleeps now. The lockdowns made it sleep. You never hear that saying about New York City never sleeps. You don't hear it anymore. It's not true anymore. Yeah, New York City shuts down. It didn't before that used to be that you can get anything, anywhere, anytime. But the, the first punch for New York City was 9, 11. The second punch was the, was the, the 2008 crash. The knockout punch was lockdowns. At that point, we could never recover. I mean, that was just the end. The, the city is fundamentally changed from that time. We were so broken as a city. We, we used to be the city. If you remember, back from the 60s and 70s, we were the guys who, we fought back on. Everybody. We're the guy I'm walking here, right? That's us, New York. What are you talking about? Right? That's us now. We're like, yes, sir, that's who we are now. And I can't stand it.

[A]

And you're in bed by 10 o' clock at night. That's not the New York I remember.

[B]

No, I mean like, like diners shut down at 10, right? Diners are 24, 7. If you can't even find a diner anymore, if you can find a diner owned by a local person anymore, if you can find one by local family, they shut down at 10 that you, you can go to a diner 2 o' clock in the morning now you have to find a Denny's or something or an IHOP or something. You have to find a chain now that might be open late. It's changed completely if you know this. But at 7 o' clock during lockdowns in New York City, people would come outside on their balconies or at their windows and they would clap. They would clap for the first responders who are keeping us safe. That second level, next level Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, and that was us. I was embarrassed by that. And I'm still, you can see in my, you can see my face. I'm still embarrassed by that. My city wasn't that. Yeah, it is that. I don't know how we get it back and. Well, I do know how we get it back through the ownership mindset. Local communities having ownership in things, local people having ownership in their own communities. And there is no one. It's the problem. We'll go to Momdani if we could. If you talk to modern day socialists, most will tell you this. They'll say, matt, socialism, that's. I'm not talking, you know, Russia and China, that's not real socialism. You know, let me tell you what real social. They'll say socialism is. Workers owning the means of production. That's all we're talking about. That's why we like Mamdani. And I said, okay, you know, I'm not against it either. I think workers, I'm not against worker co ops. There's a wonderful idea. We shouldn't be forced, but yeah, we should support them in a financial industry. We should support them all over the place. I don't promise that whatsoever. If workers want to own part of the company I'm in, let's make that happen. So I went through, I did a video series on this, on all of Mamdani's policies. Everyone, it was the three part series. I went through every single policy and I asked the question at the end of all his policies, where do the workers own the means of production? They don't. What he is all about is centralized control, government taking over facilities that, that the bad guys don't take care of. That is literally Soviet. That is Soviet. That's government control, not people controlling. If you tell me what we all want to be the Amish. I'm in. Let's be the Amish. Let's do that. They all own their own stuff. That's, that's what. That's community owned. Okay. That's not government owned. And there's a difference.

[A]

And by the way, they got the vaccine mandates right too.

[B]

They did, absolutely.

[A]

Yes. We all should have been Amish.

[B]

We all should have been Amish.

[A]

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[B]

Yes.

[A]

And that's what you got now, which requires centralized control.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And you know, maybe the breadcrumbs will be spread back out to the people, but it really needs to be. You got to get control of things first.

[B]

How else can you make things happen without centralized control? I'm going to list real fast. All the time. Centralized controls.

[A]

Worked.

[B]

Finished.

[A]

We'll clip that.

[B]

It doesn't work.

[A]

Put it on Instagram.

[B]

It does not work. It never. It does not work. Yeah, right. If you and I look, my day job when I'm not running for office is I'm a business consultant. And what I will tell people all the time is when people come to me and I say, larry, my, my team isn't working well. Right. I'm a lead. I'm a CEO, and my C suite is. No one wants to do. I say, okay, all right, what I want you to do is I want you to actually give each of them less, less control of you. Give them more freedom. I explained how to do that, how to change things, how to have them create their own goals or what they. Yeah, yeah, but, but no, no, no. I've been. I have to control them more. Right? He goes, he, I've heard this before. You don't get what you expect. You get what you inspect. You've got to be on them. And I said, no, no. The more rules you create, the more the scammers go to the rules. And they don't respond but say, they did what you said, right? They said, I did what you said. They didn't achieve the goal. And the people who are actually entrepreneurial will leave. You'll lose your best executives. He goes, well, my good ones have already left. I know, that's why I said that. That's how it works. But when you don't have as many roles and you simply have people give you what they're going to achieve, they don't achieve it. They feel awkward and the bad guys leave, the good guys stay. That works in all of life. That isn't just business. It works in government too. The problem is there's no money in grifting in government when it happens. There's no value in government to succeed. The value in business is to succeed. And I give this example often. I now have a. I decide someone is going to fix potholes. So I have two options. One of my policies in New York state and I'll get a bit off, but I'll come back. One of my policies in New York state is to start to build community out, which will take a long time, I know, but if you owe New York State money at the end of any given year, whatever that amount is, you can take 500 bucks of that. So I choose the bucks of that and give it to any non government funded nonprofit in the state. If it's in your county, it's doubled to 500 bucks. Okay, it's 500 bucks. What's that? What happens when a thousand people do it? 10,000 people do it. Well, that's real money. So you, Matt, say, hey, I live in X County. Give me your money, I'll fix your buttholes. Or I'll create a school for your kids, or I'll create an elder facility for our elderly or whatever you need a homeless shelter for homeless. You'll create whatever's the thing that the community wants, not what the government says, what the community wants. And you say, gonna fix the potholes. Awesome. We all agree, we give you the money, you go to fix the potholes. Let's say you're really bad at potholes. You suck. You're the worst. You're a liar. What happens next year? You don't get the money and you are now shamed in your community. You're a scammer. You pay a social price. You don't get the money anymore, you are punished for failure. What happens if you're great? Oh my God, the potholes are fixed. Matt's the best guy. He's out there knocking the potholes out my. My car's trash anymore. Can we give him some more money? Can you do some more stuff? You are rewarded the opposite. People complain as bad potholes. I'm county executive Larry Sharp. I go, I got you. I'm going to make a department of pothole repairs and I'm going to hire someone to come on over and. And they're going to go, I'm hire you. I'm going to hire Matt to come fix the potholes. I'm a hiring with my $10 million that I've got taken off do this now. Matt fixes the potholes. Well, that's a problem. Why would you fix the potholes now? I'm mad at you because I can't make any more money. You can't promote your people. I can't get more budget. I need more budget for you, Matt, because I'm. I'm skimming mine off the top. And so is he. And so is he. Well, if you don't fix the potholes. Oh, Matt couldn't fix the potholes. What do we need more money? You're rewarded for failure in government. You are punished for success in government. Private sector. You're rewarded for success, punished for failure. Which government will always fail. Why? Centralized control doesn't work. So what does that mean? Government should facilitate the private market by saying, if you guys want it, go do it. Note, my policy requires no extra cops, no extra taxes, no extra fees. It's just local people do it. And I also recognize that's not going to happen a lot in the first year. Most people will follow exactly the same way. They've been doing every business exactly the same way to no matter what policy I put in. But there will always be early adopters. So some early adopters are like, I am so tired of these potholes, or I'm so tired of my kids not having a special school or whatever. I'm going to go do it, guys. Give me 500 bucks. Someone will do it. And when that person does, they go, that worked. And the rest will follow.

[A]

Social entrepreneurs.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

This actually happened. You know, one of the few bright sides of lockdowns were all of the moms that started innovating when they shut down the schools and, and pods emerged and they figured out kind of spontaneously. I'd like, I'm never sending my kid back to that school.

[B]

I'm school my kids.

[A]

How do we do this? How do we do this?

[B]

That's my point. If you do that.

[A]

So my point is it might Happen quicker than you think.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Relearning that social entrepreneurship skill, it hopefully doesn't take. It's not a generation of people that have just forgotten that that's.

[B]

Oh, that's how it's a generation. I think it's tipping point.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Which might be a year, might be five years, but it's a tipping point. At one point, everyone does it. Right. I think that's what happens. I'll touch two pieces. One of that was the schooling piece. You will still in my state find us want to put more money towards schooling no matter what. We now drop $40,000 per year per student. You drop $40,000 per year Per student. I better have rocket scientists coming over to high school. But I don't. New York State maybe ranks 28th out of 50. Spending the most. We spend more money than every country on the planet, with one exception. Sometimes Luxembourg. I'm not joking. Sometimes Luxembourg spends more money than us on kids. Otherwise we spend the most in the entire. In the entire world. New York State the most. And we have mediocre at best outcomes. Now, homeschool has been more popular in New York State because of the lockdowns. It wasn't. We were horrible with homes. We'd punish homeschoolers. Now we're not so bad. Here's what's happening. Most of you don't know this. Colleges are looking for homeschoolers. Businesses are looking for homeschoolers. So people thought, well, you're homeschooled. New York State, by the way, will not give you a diploma. If you're home school, you have to get a ged. New York State will not do it. You must follow New York State's rules so you have a ged. And look, a GED versus a New York State diploma. Ged. Oh, homeschool. We'll take you. That's happening now because the home schools can read, the home schools can do math, and the home schools actually have some initiative. Most of the kids have none. I don't mean to be cruel. It's just true. I do hiring and firing. I see it. I've taught in colleges. I see. I've taught at Yale and Columbia. It's. It's not great. It's not great.

[A]

The system broke them.

[B]

The system broke them. It's their fault, but system broke them. We've taught them to be this way. We've taught them that answering, answering questions correctly and taking tests is how you survive in life. Not true at all. Never has been. Still not true. We've Lied to them for years. So my policy on schooling. We shouldn't have K through 12. That's an anachronism. We should have K through 10. A lot of places in your body have K through 10, right? K through 10. You at 10th grade, if you pass a test, you get a high school diploma. Done. You have a high school diploma now. New York State Constitution. We did something very dumb. We made education a right is what it is. It's what I must do. So I have to pay by my constitution up to grade 12. Okay. Doesn't say how I have to pay, but I have to pay. I'm going to copy my GI Bill. The GI Bill that I had when I left the Marine Corps. Every kid gets $20,000 and five years to use it. Good luck. You can do several things. One, if you're that smart kid, you're that kid who's going to be a doctor someday or a scientist. Go right to college now. Why am I stopping you? You're a PhD anyway. Go take your 20 grand off to college. Have a nice day. You're done. You're paid for Life is good. At least 20 grand is paid. You're not sure. You think you want to go to college, Get a plan, but you're not really sure. Great. Go to prep school. Right now. Kids don't know how to. For most kids in college, the first year is 13th grade. The average kid takes about six years to graduate. That's how it works now. And they have debt. My plan, you get the first two years on the. On the. On your state pay for it. Done. So take those first two years, get. Go to prep school. Be ready for. For college. You don't want that. Go to trade school. Want to be a welder? Learn how to be a carpenter, whatever. Fix cars, whatever. Just do it. Just go. Then within two years, you're 18. You either have a license or be an apprentice. One of the two. Whatever. Whatever. When you go to, you have it.

[A]

The skills that AI can't replace.

[B]

Correct? You'll have them. Just go do it or go get a job. And here. No time. You guys like child labor. You're 16. You're not going to get caught in a loom accident and die. That's not a thing. Right? It's not a thing anymore. Stop it. You can learn a work ethic. I tell a story all the time. I'm never going to stop telling it. I remember there was a guy who said, larry, I can't get people to show up. He. He goes, they don't have to learn anything. I'll teach them. He goes, here is my entire hiring. So he says this. He goes, here's my entire hiring process. I say to interviews at 9. I open a door, 855. If they're there, they're hired. Done. That's it. You should. I open a door, 855, you're there, hired. And then when I told that same story in another event, some guy said, he goes, oh, my God, Larry, you're right. I had 12 interviews this week. Six were no shows, four were late. Well, yeah, they don't learn anything. So work when you're 16. Learn a work ethic when you're 16. Do this when you're 16. And what did I just do with that plan? There's gonna be a bunch of schools that pop up that cost $20,000 for two years because the government's gonna pay. I just privatized those two years of high school. Just privatizing. Done deal. I got my kids to actually work and think and do stuff when they're 16 versus smoking weed and playing video games and doing study hall. They actually are doing stuff so they're prepared for life. And I just prioritized. First two years, school, last year's high school. So I privatized that, and we dropped 40 grand a year. 40 grand a year? Well, they'll get in 10 grand a year. I just saved 30 grand per kid per year. So I saved money, privatized the last two years of high school, and the kids are gonna be happier. Not just that. Violence will go away. Why? Why is there violence in high schools? Because kids don't want to be there. Will you go into the high school you want to go to? There'll be jock schools. There'll be schools of baseball. People go, you don't want a baseball, so you want to learn science and stuff. Why he's gonna be a baseball player. He's a musclehead. He wants to enjoy. Doesn't do it. He wants to lift weights all day. Lift weights all day, man. Be happy. I don't care. I want happiness. Are the kids gonna be happy? Life, liberty, preserve happiness. We forgot that part. Make him happy. I don't care. Be a doctor. Be a weightlifter. I don't care. Enjoy yourself. This is the policy that we don't talk about ever. No one talks about this. I've been talking about this for eight years. And the worst part is, my policies have been on my website for eight years. No one takes them because to your earlier point, no One wants to fix them. There's no value in fixing them. The values in keeping the people fighting drives me crazy. Last piece. I'll bring up this something that actually was brought up earlier about my state. I know I'm New York State centered, but I just am because I'm running for governor. So I am New York state centered. I want to make a sovereign fund for New York State. Now, believe it or not, Trump and RFK Jr. Both talked about a sovereign for America back in 2024 and just blew that off. Nobody wants it to say we should have one. Saudis have one, Norwegians have one. Singaporeans have one. Sovereign funds pay for social programs better than any taxation could ever do it because the sovereign fund is private and it wants to actually make things work. So we scratch a sovereign for New York State, we can back it either off of land leases, land sales, energy costs, all kinds of. We could. We could find a way of putting. We could put hard currency in it. We could pick a loan against our tax base. There's many ways of being able to fill that thing up. It'll take at least two years for it actually to grow and be something. At least within those two years, though, we could have it paid directly for education. This is where I was going together with that. It pays for education. Education in New York State's about 40, 50 billion dollars a year. I just cut my budget. 40, 50 billion dollars a year. There is no one talking about cutting the budget. I'm the only guy just cut my budget. 40, $50 billion a year gone. We have over $200 billion budget, twice as much as Florida. And they have more people than us. So cut that budget. But not just that once. The. It's getting paid directly to each district per kid per year. That's what you get. There's your money. There's no need for federal or state money, which means no strings. So now local people want to put like, I don't know, civics in there. They can do it. Right now, you don't have civics, you don't have Home ec, You don't have shop. Why not? In a test, right? Not in the test. Well, federal government grades you about the testing scores and gives you more or less money. State government, same thing. Well, then money doesn't count anymore. I don't care. Do what you want. Now, Larry, some schools will make mistakes. Yes, some will. A local school district will make an error. People will see it. It's one year and one district and repaired. What happens when New York State Centralizes it. We have. We lose an entire generation with stupid things like Common Core, which wrecked a generation of kids. Or we ended. By the way, we stopped teaching phonics in New York State. I'm not making that up. We went to sight words wrecked. A generation of kids can't read. A generation of kids, gone. Now, what if one school district decides we think phonics is dumb and we're going to do sight words? Okay, so one district has one problem for one year and we fix it. Not a generation of kids in the state. It's like 2, 3 million kids in New York State going to school and then 20 years of them. How many kids is that? I don't even know. It's a lot of kids we just wrecked for what? That has to change. So they do what they want. But not just that. They can keep their own money. Right now, if you don't spend it, you lose it. We wonder why they spend, you know, $20,000 for paper. Because they don't spend. They lose it. Well, they spend so much money, they want to. That's. I was in the Marine Corps, and for those of you who were in the military, you know, the end of the fiscal year is October 1st, so September, August. I used to work in armory. We're firing every bullet. We are. We're breaking equipment. We're doing everything.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

We're like, okay, we're going to the range again. Keep firing, keep firing. Because if we don't get rid of ammunition, we don't get any more.

[A]

If you don't use it, you lose it.

[B]

Yes, we got to use it. So it doesn't matter how you trained. I'm going to. Out there. I, I had an officer actually have me take a sledgehammer and break equipment because we had equipment dollars. So back in those days, I mean, we don't have it anymore. Back then we used to have to strap the, the, the, the. The infrared goggles on. Right now they're attached to the helmet. But back in the day, you had to strap them on, like, like binoculars. Strap them on. We were breaking them so we could repair them. We didn't use them. They didn't break in the field. Well, we gotta break them now. Guess that fell off the mountain or something.

[A]

And that's our most essential government function too, correct?

[B]

Yes, absolutely. Well, our schools that way. So once that plan comes in, that goes away. The schools just keep their money. They build a football field. When the community wants to build a football field right now, the amount of money they get is gonna be $18,000 per year with. I think I'm going to 24,000. It's just two. About $24,000 per year per student. But it follows the student. So student goes to different schools. The money goes to that school district. I don't care where the kid goes. You put your kid where you want to put your kid. The money's following that kid. But it's a $8,000 credit if you want a home school or if you want to go to private schools, which what's going to happen? A bunch of private schools going to pop up. How much they going to cost per year? $8,000. So I've just increased the private schools by default, coming out of, by the way, a sovereign fund, not coming out of taxpayer dollars. So now I'm increased private school, and now we have chance for homeschooling. What does that mean? The local schools must compete by default. Right now, in New York State, they just push you through. I'm sure that's probably most schools. Just push you through, push you through, push you through, push you through. Doesn't matter. You can't read. I don't care. Why? Because they get money based upon college placement. So I push my kid into college. Even though they want to be a carpenter, they want to work on cars, or they want to be a dancer, push them into college. Why? Because I get paid. Of course I'll do it. So they push their kids into college. That goes away. My plan, that all goes away. Federal guidelines go away. State guidelines go away. Local people run their own school.

[A]

So you push kids into college, they rack up 20, 40, 50, $100,000 worth of debt, learn about Marxism, then migrate to New York City and vote for Mon Dahmen.

[B]

Totally accurate. Yeah, that's. That's the pipeline.

[A]

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[B]

You can fix that too, though. I mean, I know people say, well, Larry, how do you fix it? You can fix it right now if you go to buy a car. When I was a kid and I bought my first car, When I bought my first car, I didn't get financed through the car company. I had to go to a bank, and the bank wrote me a check. I Got the VIN number and I went and went there and I bought the car with the bank check, right? Those days are long gone. Now if you go buy whatever Ford, you go to Ford Financing Company or you buy a Honda, it's a Honda. They finance you right there. They got an F and I guy right there to finance you. Every one of these colleges has their own funds. They have tons of funds, tons of money everywhere. They have endowments like this on tomorrow, okay? Allow them to create their own banks and they finance their own stuff. Now, if all of a sudden the college has to finance its own debt, is it going to give you a garbage degree? It's not because you can't pay it back. It now has to have. It now is incentivized to give decent degrees. Also lower the price of degrees that don't provide any money. So you win a degree in liberal arts. That's like a $10,000 degree, um, STEM. Okay, that's 50 grand, maybe more, because you're probably going to pay that back. They will have to. You simply have colleges support their own tuition. You can find it. If you're a great school, financial tuition, you'll be making a killing. You make a ton of money, Right? But no, our students all suck. I know they suck. And. And they won't pay you back. But the government is sucking us up and you're getting paid, so you have no incentive. The colleges suck now because their incentive is give you a piece of paper. That's it. That's their incentive. They'll give you a piece of paper. Yes. Done. That's all I care about. The problem with education in general, college and local, is that the customer isn't the parent. The customer isn't the kid. The customer is the government. If the customer is the kid or the parent, things change. And that's the issue. I'm sorry I'm yapping away, but I've been talking about this for so long, I want people to hear it. And in my state, they don't hear it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All they hear is their answer is give more money. Every. And Republican too. Right? So there was a recent problem with, with our unions in New York State, and Kathy Hoc was trying to fight with the unions. Mta unions, Right. The Republican says, give them more money. You have money, give more money. That's the Republican. So his answer is give more money. Democrats answers always give more money.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But now Republicans also say give more money, not, let's fix the mta. That's not even on the table. Let's it costs us 20 times more to run a subway line in New York City than in France. Now, France is as communist as we are. How come they can do it for 20 times cheaper? Fix the MTA, is the actual answer. No. Democrat says we'll give him some money. Public says we'll give them more money. Yeah, that's your answer. It's just.

[A]

Yeah, wait a minute. This sounds like Washington, but we won't talk about that. So you obviously just went through some key parts of your platform for governor, and I want to get into politics, but I want to spend just a little bit bit more time on some of those core affordability issues that Mamdami talked about. Yes, please, free buses.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

How's that going?

[B]

There are no free buses. And before, I'm not against the idea. Free buses. I've talked about this before. You could have cheap or free buses. And why would it matter sometimes what city does it? Some cities have free buses, and it works. The question is loitering. If. If you have an issue with loitering. They did this also, believe it or not, I think it was. Was it Singapore or Japan? I forgot there was some East Asian country that had free health care for a while. And they had to stop it because all the seniors kept going every day to the hospitals and doctors and would fill up the rooms and hang out with their friends. So they charge them something. They charge them like a buck or something. Right? Just. Just. So they had to charge them something so they wouldn't show up like that. That could happen with buses, too, where people just hang on the bus all day, and then there's no room for people to take buses. So assuming there's no loitering. Not against free buses. If there's loitering, you charge them something. A quarter, 50 cents, whatever's the amount to keep people from loitering on the bus, whether that's senior people, homeless people, students who don't want to go back home. Whatever's the loitering, you try to stop the loitering. That would be the one thing you have to work on. He supposedly has some money set aside to make that happen, but so far, no free buses. In fact, the funny part is if you go to New York City, look at our buses, they have to put fare required on the buses. Because the second that Mamdani won, people thought, oh, buses are free, Mom, Donnie won. And they all walk around, got another bus. Look, you gotta pay. You gotta pay. No, no, no, it's free, Mom, Donnie won. No, no, no. Fair required. So they have to put it on the buses because the buses are not free. They have to put fair required. Will he make it happen? I think he might. It's possible. It depends. He's been very successful so far in getting what he wants. Will it help New Yorkers? Not at all. The reality is most don't even use the buses. The buses aren't used that much anyway. And so. And they aren't that expensive. They're three bucks, I think two bucks, which is expensive, but not that expensive. People don't use them that much. Half the people don't even pay anymore. Ferry jumping is a huge thing. We decided to follow the European model used to get on the bus, put your token in or swipe your card or your Metro card or whatever, give the money and you get on the bus. Now we have little kiosks that you pay in advance and you just get on the bus. Well, who knows if you did it or not. Well, you have to have a cop come by and check your tickets. So at least happy while I'm paying. So now we've got massive fair jumping and massive fair jumping at the subways too. We lose about nine. Is it $800 million per year? I think just on subways. Probably the same. Maybe 500,000, 500 million a year on buses. So we're losing tons just on fair jumping. So you might as well just make them free.

[A]

Yeah. He didn't say he would make apartments free, but he was going to do more aggressive rent control.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because I guess New York hasn't tried that before.

[B]

Rent control always works. Every single time. Except for never.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Otherwise always works. No, it's the guy who taught us how this works is Malay in Argentina. He taught us that just ended. Texas has taught us this. No zoning. Right. Texas. There's examples of the opposite working. Right. Texas has large cities just like New York does. Texas, that's Houston. Huge city. Right. Lots of people in it. Right. Third largest, fourth largest city in America, something like that. Top five, whatever it is. They don't have the same rent prices that we have. Rent issues we have. Homelessness that we have none of that. Neither does Argentina now. Not like we do. Not anymore. We have. So his answer, of course, is screw down harder. Here's the problem with that. Most who don't know this about New York City, which he should know and I get. But maybe he doesn't know. Maybe his ideology blinds him. Over half of the landlords in New York City are massive landlords who own like 2000-200002-00000 units. You own 2,000, 20,000, 4,000. 10,000 units doesn't affect you. You make up your money anywhere you want. You're good, you're happy with whatever. You don't care. You're selling $10 million this, $20 million that, and a couple that don't pay there. But not just that. If you have that many units, people don't know this. You actually have thugs. You don't do your own work. You hire a management company. Management companies have thugs. So, Matt, you're going to say, I'm not going to pay my rent. Whatever, I'm not going to pay my rent. Well, management company says Matt doesn't want to pay his rent. I think he's time to fix his elevator for next six months. I'm not joking. Then they come by and fix you elevated for next six months. You don't. You're walking up six flights for six months. They knock on your door. Someone knocks on your door, calls you and say, matt, how about I give you 20 grand, you leave. What do you mean? I'm just saying I'm some guy, Matt. I'm just some guy. I'm just some guy. Give me 20 grand, you leave and you leave because you get tired. They do this all the time. This kind of intimidation is normal. He's against it in theory, and I get it. But who doesn't have thugs? The small landlord, the immigrant family from. From. From Italy, from Albania, from Greece, from Ukraine that came over here, spent 30 years working, bought the building they lived in. They got four to six apartments in that building, maybe two, three. They can't afford it. And when they went to throw that guy out, they went to jail. I'm not joking. That happened during COVID So now it's Covid time. And I come to you and I go, matt, you haven't paid your rent in four months. You call the cops, say I harass you, I go to jail. I'm not making that up. That happened often during the lockdowns. I'm just saying, give me your rent. I'm not harassing. I'm not punching you, I'm not grabbing you. I go to jail. Now, again, the thugs, you don't do it to them because half of the thugs are ex cops. Because the only way you can have an actual firearm in New York City is if you're a former law enforcement. So they all know what's happening. Larry, you're saying yours corrupt? Yes, I'm saying New York is corrupt. And the massive landlords get around this anyway, only people he's punishing is the small guys that's always punishing.

[A]

So he's. He's centralizing the system.

[B]

Yeah, I'll go once a further, he says. Mandani says, well, if this guy doesn't pay all his fees and fix the place, we'll take. We'll take it from him. That guy's happy because what actually happens is that the building is in debt and he owes the bank money. He can't fix it because of all the laws. She lets it go. The bank says, we'll take it. He says, take the building. I don't want it. I can't afford not paying the bills anyway. I'm. My management company that I opened up to buy the building, his own himself would just go bankrupt. Take the building. The bank's like, we don't want the building. It's impossible to sell. I know if I could, I would sell it and give you the money. I. I can't sell the building because the city won't let me sell it because it's broken. I can't fix it. I want to move into it. You don't want it as the bank. My dad says we'll take it. Well, he's not wrong. But then who's going to fix that building? The taxpayer? The bank's not going to fix it. If the bank convicts it, it would. If he could fix it, he would. They can't because of the rules, regulations, and the money there. They can't do it. So he'll take it, taxpayers will pay it, and he'll say, we own it. We don't own it. The government owns it.

[A]

Why do you think it's so hard to convince people like housing, such an essential thing? We just talked about education. We talked about grocery stores. It seems so obvious to me, and I realize I'm an economist, but it seems so obvious to me that if you fix the price of that apartment below what the owner of that apartment can make a profit or, God forbid, break even, you're gonna. You're gonna have less housing.

[B]

No. Greedy landlords. That is the answer. People tell me all the time, you know, But Larry doesn't make sense. Politics is emotional. Greedy landlords, they just assume that you're greedy. You're a greedy landlord, Matt. That's your problem. You're a greedy landlord. Now, are there greedy landlords? Yes. But again, those guys have management companies. They have lawyers, they have thugs. Those guys are getting around the system. The average guy or gal whose family came from some Country. And they worked their butt off for the past 30 years and bought a building. That guy has no thugs. That guy has no his lawyers. Maybe his brother in law. Right? His lawyer is his brother in law. That's his lawyer. Right. He doesn't have any cool real estate lawyer that can petition to the city. He doesn't have that. So he's harming a little guy. But it feels like. Well, all this is the biggest problem with most people who don't like capitalism. They see the small guy the same as Jeff Bezos. When the small guy is the actual answer. Right? Jeff Bezos is not the answer. The answer is a small guy. He's the guy who gives people a chance to learn how to do things. He's got cares about his community. He's got takes care of things. That's the small guy, Right. That guy matters. But they don't do anything to support the small guy. So Mamdani is making everybody who wants to make money is bad, no matter what. Money's bad. You're evil. Government is good. He says it. He said the warmth of collectivism, his words, and he believes it. He thinks government's the better answer. Capitalism is evil by default.

[A]

Now, has he lived under the warmth of collectivism? Because history tells us a different story.

[B]

That wasn't real collectivism. Matt, get with the program.

[A]

It wasn't the real thing.

[B]

That wasn't the real thing.

[A]

He's got the real thing, but he's like a champagne. Of course he is communist, right?

[B]

Yes, absolutely. Yes, yes. Now look, I will say this. Social socialism, communism, authoritarian, authoritarianism, all great. When you're on this side of the gun, it's amazing, right? As long as I'm on this side of the gun, it is awesome.

[A]

People do whatever you want.

[B]

Yeah, it's great. The problem is when I'm on the other side of the gun, that's the problem. When I'm on this side, it's good. I love it. Nothing better. Nothing better than I'm in charge and I got the guns. So that's amazing.

[A]

My own view is that if New York can survive lockdowns under de Blasio, the. You guys probably are like a big beautiful cockroach that can survive the most stupid government policies.

[B]

The worry I have is it's a decay issue. Right. It's just slowly decaying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And more and more people are leaving and things just getting worse slowly. It's like that. The analogy of the frog being bald, alive in the. In the water. Right. The boiling pot. That concept that we're just slowly getting worse and worse and worse. And that is my concern. If we don't have any plans, and this is across the country, if we don't have any plans to support the little guy, our plan. Everyone recognizes we have massive Goliaths. Everyone recognizes that. But most people just say, gotta knock them down, go get them. Well, who can get them? Only government. That's what people say, right? I can't knock them down, so I gotta get government to knock them down. They don't realize government, them are the buddies, they're both together. You're asking married couple to break up, right? No one's knocking them down. The answer is more David's. The answer is multiple, multiple Davids. Each one of those, one of them will knock down a Goliath and then another one will come and we'll rotate things through more and more Davids. That's how you get rid of the Goliaths. You don't try to knock down a glass with another Goliath. It's not how it works.

[A]

But I heard that a wealth tax was going to finally whip them in shape. Does he have the authority to impose a wealth tax on, on billionaires in New York?

[B]

He does not. He does not have a wealth. He doesn't have the power to do so. Generally speaking, the mayor, believe it or not, is one of the weakest in the entire country. People don't recognize this, but New York City is the only major city in America that covers more than one county. Every other city is within the county. New York City is in five counties, which means most New York City is actually controlled by the, by the governor because it's cross county. So the governor has a lot of control over New York City. That's the issue with New York City. That makes it special. There are certain rules that give them power, but generally speaking, what the mayor covers mostly is cops in schools. That's the biggest thing in control. Everything else, he has to negotiate somehow here or there. And he has a very, he does have a very left leaning city council which also has power too. So he doesn't have much power, but Mamdani has power because he's Mamdani. So people don't want to cross him, if that makes any sense. Right. He's very popular. He's a very charismatic guy. He just is.

[A]

You know, he could definitely hurt Democrats like he, he could hurt machine Democrats 100% because he's, it's sort of like Trump, like.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

With Trump's base 100%, he can do whatever he wants.

[B]

Correct. The. The. The people who love Trump love Trump, and people who love Mamdani love Mamdani. It's very similar in that regard. So if he says, we need wealth tax, they go, we need wealth tax. Why? Mamdani said so. He says going to raise $10 billion. Why? He said so? Yes. They believe it. Now, the difference is, what will Hochul do? Hochul will pacify him until November. She will pacify him. And she's doing a good job of it to be very forward. Hochul is a much better candidate. She was in 2022. 22. She was a terrible candidate. She. Her team is much better. She's much more effective. She's out there doing things, saying things. And she is Mamdani's buddy, Right? She was with him at the Knicks game, hanging out. She. Yep. And people like, see, Hochul's a Marxist. No. Hochul savvy. Hochul's a hocalist. She's not a Marxist. She'd be a Libertarian tomorrow Republican, tomorrow Conservative. She would be whatever it takes to. To be in charge. That's all she would be. And right now, Mom Donnie is a flavor of the month. She loves Mom Donnie now. Right. And when he's not the flavor of the month, she'll love somebody else. She will love whoever she has to love to get where she needs to get to. So right now, she's, you know, piling up with Mom Donnie. But after her election in November, she's going back to normal ways. She's a corporate Democrat. She's a corporatist in general. So she'll go back to her ways of, you know, corporate. Corporate. She'll go back to that. And Mamdani will be out in the cold next year. Mamdani will be out in the cold for a while. He'll recognize that immediately. Now, he's savvy, and he probably knows. Trying to build enough coalitions together to keep them going, but they're not gonna be buddies after November.

[A]

So you've ran twice before.

[B]

I have. I punished myself twice doing it again

[A]

as a third party. As a Libertarian.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Yes. And the duopoly doesn't want you to run.

[B]

No.

[A]

And it's gotten worse over the years.

[B]

In 2018, they underestimated me. They didn't think that I could actually get on the ballot, which I did. They didn't think I could get enough votes to gain ballot access because the Libertarians had never done it before. I'm the only Libertarian to ever gain party status in New York. State ever. Never happened before. They thought, oh, whatever. But while that was bad, what happened next was worse. Most people don't know this. In 2018, when I got party status for the Libertarian Party, I then went to build the party out within this. Within the state. We went from 15 affiliates. There are 62 counties. We only had affiliates in 15 counties. Out of 62 to 30 in one year, went from zero elected Libertarians to 2019, 107 elected Libertarians. They were all local, you know, city council, water board, school board. But we had one DA, but 107 victories. Cuomo saw that, who was our governor time and said, that's a problem. That's a real part. That's a real movement. And he changed all the rules to destroy Libertarian Party. Now, the story, he said it was to destroy the Working Families Party because he was mad at them. That's an utter lie. They still support him, still exist, affected him. Not at all. It only destroyed us. That wrecked us. He took the. We had to get 15,000 signatures and I think eight weeks in the summer, it went to six weeks in the early spring when we still have snowstorms, and triple to 45, 000. It's impossible to do. It cannot be done. I didn't do it. And they double the amount of. Triple the amount of signatures from. From. From 50, 000. I'm sorry votes to 130, 000 votes or 2%, whichever's higher. So they made that. That harder too. So all of us. And the worst part is the established parties didn't have to go through it. Only we did.

[A]

Only third parties.

[B]

Yes. Didn't have to go through it. So. So we couldn't do it, of course. And then they did it during lockdowns. 2020. During lockdowns. So how could I possibly do it? It was impossible.

[A]

Was it? Was it legal to gather signatures then?

[B]

Oh, yes. But you had to mask. And who's gonna do that? Who's outside?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Where are you gonna get them? No one's outside. We're all in lockdown. Legal. Go ahead, find somebody outside. Find somebody. Said, who wants to talk to somebody during lockdowns? When New York is being screamed out, everyone's dying of COVID 19. How can you. It's impossible, right? 2022. We tried. Failed. They sued me off the ballot. I tried to make a coalition party. They laughed at me. Sue me off the ballot. This year I tried to run as a Republican also. And they went. The Republican Party was so mad at me because I thought, okay, I Can't do Libertarian anymore. I can't do a coalition anymore. I'll try to take the Republican Party line. They went so far out of their way to stop me because for those people don't know to get the Republican Party line, you have to get Republicans to get out there and get you signatures. 15,000 of them over six weeks of other Republicans. Well, the people who do this are all professionals. That's who they are. They're Republican professionals, consultants. The Republican Party said, if you go with Larry Sharp will never use you again. I couldn't pay people to get signatures. I couldn't give you. Here's money. No, Larry, if I take your money, I'll never get a job again.

[A]

This is what they did to Thomas Massie.

[B]

Same thing exactly. Right. Yes. Yes. So that fell apart. So now I'm running as a coalition party because there's not enough libertarians who believe anymore. I mean, Libertarians in New York state are broken. The. The last couple years broke them. Just did. Greens broken. Right. Greens have been running by anymore. The Green Party's broken. Right. All the other parties with the people party then almost doesn't exist in my. In my state. Like they're all. All the parties are broken. So I said, I'll bring them all together and make a coalition party. And so now I'm now the coalition party running. And they threw me off the ballot again, which is the norm. And I'm now suing in federal court to try to get back on a ballot again. Luckily, I am the only person who has a very specific set of standing, which is I won ballot access under the old rules in 2018. I lost ballot access under the rules 2022. And when I sued in 2022, I was pro se for a lot of mine. So I had to speak and do written and oral arguments that are on record now. And then I get to sue again now saying, look, I told you it was unfair. Look, it is unfair. And if you think I'm crazy, RFK Jr couldn't get in about a Kennedy in New York State who's with a million dollars, couldn't get in the ballot. In 2024, New York State was the only state in the entire union that did not have an independent candidate on a ballot for president.

[A]

Does this, if you're successful, does this case have national implications?

[B]

Absolutely. This will affect everything. Affect everything. Because New York is the most draconian.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What people don't recognize here is if anyone wants to run independent for president in 2020, whoever that person might Be they will not be able to and will be taken seriously. Why? Because they won't have 50 state ballot access unless I get a party this year and I then have ballot access in 2028. And if, and also if I win my case, when I win my case, the rest of the states will have to look at my case. Go. He's right. This is the precedent. You let people on the ballot, Right? We sue people off the ballot all the time. Most people don't know this. I hear all the time, Larry, if you had some candidates running, then we vote for you. We physically can't get on the ballot. They throw people up. The problem is the remedy. Right? And I'll give you an example. If all of a sudden you just, you went to get your license, driver's license, and you made a mistake on your address, you put the wrong address down for some error, they would go, oh, Mr. Kim, you made a mistake on your, on your driver's license. Here's the fine or fee required. Fix the error and then we'll give you a license. That's how it would work, right? Okay. Yeah, my license now is wrong because it's. But I'll fix it. You give me license. Great. Now, when it comes to on the ballot, Larry, you made an error on your address. You may not run for four years. What? Can I fix it? No. Okay, let me. No, you made an error, therefore nothing. Imagine it's you. You made an error. You can't drive for four years. What? Yeah, I made an error when I was buying. Renting my house. You can't live in a house for four years. What? What? No, you fix the issue, you pay the final fee, and then you, you remedy it, you fix it, and you get in the ballot. No, the ballot is the only exception to that rule. And somehow that's okay. How is it okay? Rfk. RFK junior. He got them off the ballot because they said his address was incorrect. Great. Change the address. What's the problem? Change the address. No, off the bat, there was a guy who put the wrong township because he's on a border and part of his property was the one township. He put the wrong township, threw him off the ballot. What? There was someone who, on his card, instead of saying, Richard, put Rick wrong name, threw him off the ballot. Happens all the time.

[A]

You know, it's funny because obviously most people don't pay any attention to this esoteric stuff because. Because you're. By the time you're paying attention to politics, if you do it all, you're Looking at your dismal choices.

[B]

Correct. Yes.

[A]

Come election Day. And you're like, really? That's what I got. And they don't know why that's true. And, you know, you told me I'm not allowed to obsess about the war in Iran, but I know a lot of people that voted for Trump.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Thinking he was going to keep us out of a forever war.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And they're, they're searching right now, but they got nowhere to go.

[B]

Nowhere to go.

[A]

They got nowhere to go.

[B]

This is the problem that people, this is a problem that Democrats think. Democrats think, oh, Trump's failing, so now everyone's going to become a Democrat. No, they still hate Democrats. They still hate Democrats. They may be mad at lots of. I know I'm mad at Trump. Lots of mad at Trump doesn't mean they're going to all of a sudden wrote Democrat. Now November comes, they might go, yeah, I don't like Trump, but still hate Democrats. Republican, they'll yell about Trump all day, call them names, but they still might vote Republican. I don't think it's an automatic Democrat because to your point, there's nobody else. If there was somebody else there, of course they would. You see it all the time, right? If you, if you ask people, do you want a third party? Most of them say yes. You see all the time. If you look right now, my state and I think others, but I know my state, independents are bigger than Republicans. Republicans are 23% of my electorate.

[A]

It's pretty typical.

[B]

Yeah, independent 30% and Democrats are 47%. So Democrats double Republicans. If you account independents three to one against Republicans. Republicans can't win in my state anymore. And people don't recognize it either. You. In my state, a Republican has not won a statewide election. Nothing that senator, ag, governor, nothing in 24 years. And the state's getting bluer where one or two or two cycles, two cycles away in my state from Republicans no longer being able to run statewide candidates. That's something I'm making up. Nebraska, Democrats are the opposite. They don't run. They don't run statewide candidates anymore. Democrats don't. In Utah, Democrats don't run statewide candidates anymore. Why bother? You can't. No one's going to win. No one's going to get money. That's where we are right now in New York. California's three cycles, four away from me. The same. California has a bigger chunk of Republicans right now, but give them three, four cycles, they won't be able to run any statewide anyway. Steve Hilton may be the last Republican governor to be in the election.

[A]

Well, you know, my slogan is, we're going to have to beat the Republicans before we can beat the Democrats. And my question, and this is kind of inside baseball, but it's interesting and might imply something that's more of a national problem. Why won't permanent minority Republican Party in the state of New York coalesce with a libertarian like you?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Because there's a lot of common ground.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And it's a lot better than just losing.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But there's some reason they just won't do it.

[B]

I. I thought of that same thing in 2022. I went to them in 2022 and I said, look, I'm running Libertarian. You know, I'm the most popularitarian in the state. You know that people like me. I get the Greens to talk to me, and it builds. Let's credit coalition. Me. You at that point. I was even talking at that point to Andrew Yang about the Forward Party. At that time, say, hey, maybe Forward Party can jump in. They never committed, but they were open to talking, which is great. And Republicans went, wow, this makes sense. Right. If you actually ran in one and took all of our. Because in New York State, we have what's called fusion voting, which means you can literally be on multiple lines at the same time. You can be on the Republican line, Libertarian line, Forward Party line, and every vote you get on any of those counts.

[A]

So it's unique in the sense that coalitions actually can work.

[B]

Yes. Which is why I went to 2022. I said, look, we can do this. Right. I can be listed four or five times. I cross over all these things. I know I run before. I know the polling. 40% of the people vote for me are registered Republicans, 30% of registered Democrats, and 30% of registered independent or no party. Right. So I know I cross over. That's a fact. So I said, okay, great, let's do this. And they went, that will work. We're going to sue you off the ballot. The Republicans who have to ballot, they didn't want to win. That wasn't their goal. I was dumb. I thought their goal was to win.

[A]

It's their little fiefdom.

[B]

Correct. They're happy with the way things are working. They. We made something in New York State because people weren't giving anymore. So now we have what's called matching funds. This is supposed to help the little guy. That's the goal, but it doesn't. It just forces the state to give the grifting party More money. So now if you're running in. Okay, I'm a little bit off, but I'll come back. Mamdani again. Why did mom Donnie win? Charismatic. Yes. Savvy? Yes. But New York City has matching funds. Eight to one. New York City gave him a check for $12 million. That's why he won. You give me $12 million. I'm governor of New York. The New York City gave him. I'm not making this up. You can Google yourself. New York city gave him $12 million because New York City has 8 to 1 matching funds. Now New York State has 6 to 1 matching funds. Irae half million dollars. They give me $3 million. Why? Because we're not giving anymore. So since you won't give voluntarily, I'll just make you. That's how New York State works. So. So that's how they're doing that. Right. So this year the same thing I said, look, if the guy was running for governor in New York state right now, to your, to your answer questions. Got him. Bruce Blakeman. He is a hardcore Trump supporter, which again, if you're a Republican, great. Republicans still love Trump. Publicans in my state love Trump. They still love him. Great. But they're 23% of the electorate, so he's guaranteeing he'll get 23% vote. So good if you're a Republican, but if you want to win the election, terrible idea. He is a hardcore Trump supporter. Goes to visit him, talks about it, endorsed by Trump. Again, if you, if you're running in Kansas, good idea. New York State, New York state. Democrats hate Trump. I mean with a passion. They can't stop saying how much they hate him. Independents hate Trump. They can't stop saying how much they hate him. They hate him in my state. Why would you do that? Because he's not going to win. He knows he's not going to win. Doesn't even want to win. The chair of, of the state party said we're going to have a successful failure. What does that mean? They're all going to make money. All they do is yell Mamdani's terrible, terrible dab. What does that do? Republicans throw money at them. They raise tons of money and that's all they do.

[A]

Let me get sale of social media, mail companies, door knocking companies.

[B]

Yes, they all make tons of money

[A]

or I'm sure it's, it's appropriately washed through third parties.

[B]

Of course it is. And, and what we do in New York state is we give our jobs so the Republicans control local stuff while Democrats Control upper stuff here. Remember, most counties in New York state are actually red. Most counties, 62 counties in New York state, most are red, but the biggest ones are all blue, like everything place else. Right. Every state in the country is actually a red state with blue dots. Right. If the blue dots are bigger, then it's a blue state. Blue, lots of smaller. It's a red state. In the case of New York City, it's the biggest city in the entire country. Right. So 40% of our population is in New York City. And it's seven to one Democratic, Republican. But even without New York City, all the upstate cities, Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse, Binghamton, Albany, they're all blue. So the blue dots outgun the red countryside. But in the countryside, those are all jobs. They're all assemblymen and councilmen and city councils and this and that. And Republicans give all the jobs. So the Democrats are savvy. You let us up, keep, keep the power up here. Because Democrats have super majority and in my Senate, super majority in my assembly and the governorship for the past 24 years. So they're like, we're going to keep Albany, you grab the rest. Basically, we keep Rome and the provinces you guys can have. And the provincial governors are happy to keep the provinces and they almost rock

[A]

the boat and the looting continues and

[B]

alluding continues until Rome falls. Yeah, correct. Yes. And. But the harsh part about this is they also don't want it because they don't want to fix it. If Republicans actually ran my state, they'd have to fix it. They don't know how. How do I know that the guy who's running has a one page website with no policy on it? He has a one page website with no policy. Now here's the worst part. You could just take my policy like it's on my website. They could call me up and say, larry, can you be a policy guy? Yes, yes. I'll just do it here to my policy, fix the state. I said this before in 2018. I said, I tell a story often. I love it. I'm gonna keep telling. It's a great story. I'm on Rogan. At the end of the show, Rogan says to me, he says, larry, you got great policies. Where you get them from? I said, oh, me and my team, we make a policy trying to fix things. He goes, you better lock them down. I said, why? He said, people, take them. I said, take them. Fix my state. I don't have to run anymore. I go back to work, I can help my family and friends. Running is Punishment. I don't want to run. Take all my policies and I'll stop doing this. I just want to fix my state. And I said it again. They could take it. Now, Kathy Hochul, who's my governor, her team does watch my show because they take my talking points often. Like, I'll say something and then like a week or two later she'll have talking points out that of mine. But she won't do it. She'll just use my talking points. The Republicans ignore me completely. Will do nothing to me. Republicans hate me. Sorry. Republican leadership hates me. The Republican voter loves me. The Republican voter loves me. Everywhere I go, Republicans come out. They love me. The voter does. The establishment hates me.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm going to try to have my. My buddy, Shannon Joy.

[B]

I love Shannon Joy. She is my lieutenant governor. She's amazing. She's a fire brand. Yes, absolutely.

[A]

Yes. And she and I spent some time in Kentucky in that last week of Thomas Massie's race. Great partnership, you guys.

[B]

Like anti corruption, medical freedom. She is all about breaking the unit party. I met her in 2018. She was part of my governor run by then. She actually emceed a couple of my things. So. Yeah. And we had a radio show together. She's wonderful. I'm glad. I've been bugging her to join my team for probably six years now. And she finally jumped on board, so. Yay.

[A]

So the mic is yours one last time. Make your closing statement.

[B]

If you actually want change in America and you don't want to fall to violence or anger, there has to be an outlet. Third parties. There's no other answer than that. Third parties, while they don't always win, in fact usually lose. They do several things. They allow people to have a voice, which means I don't feel like I have to be angry and be violent. I get a voice. What did Kennedy say? And Thomas and Thomas Jepsen say, if you impede peaceful revolution, you ensure violent revolution. Is that right? Whatever that saying is. So third parties matter. Not just that, third parties change the answer. And I'll give you two examples. An old one and a new one. In New York state, we had a guy named Jimmy McMillan and he ran the Rent is Too Damn High party. Remember that guy?

[A]

I already know that guy.

[B]

Yes, great guy. Why did he mad? He was never going to win. But whenever Jimmy was on the stage, you were talking about the rent. He would not let you not talk about the rent. That issue, his issue, which was the rent, was going to be talked about on that debate. Stage. And that's what third parties do. They talk about the issues that you care about. So you build your third parties out with what you care about, and your issue gets pushed. Now, does it work? Yes. Most recently, RFK Jr. RFG ran independent. Right, Focusing on medical freedom. Trump had no medical freedom or food policy yet. None of that. He didn't care. Wasn't part of his world at all. But he saw something. He said, man, Kennedy. Kennedy was polling anywhere. Low end, 5%. High end, 19%. Right. So average that out. Maybe you've got 12%, whatever. But then he would probably want a half. Generally speaking, whenever you poll that, you get about half at the. At the actual polling booth. So you've got 6%. So his people said 6%, huh? That's a lot. All right.

[A]

The margin of victory.

[B]

Yes. Come on in. Now, Trump might have won the election, but he would have never won all seven swing states. And he wouldn't have beat Kamala Harris in a swing vote without RFK Jr that's how he gets his mandate. RFK Jr gets Trump the mandate. Without RFK Jr there's no mandate. He got that mandate because of RFK Jr his people. So independent parties matter. Independent parties change things. Independent parties get. Get. Independent parties are the only way to save this nation. And the only ones who can focus on the actual people. Other two cannot. Their goal is simply other guy bad. That's it. Look, I know I killed a guy, but he killed three. Vote for me.

[A]

To be continued.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Thank you, sir.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

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