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Ep 395 | This UFC Champion Is Fighting for Freedom | Guest: Renato Moicano
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t this year’s FreedomFest, Matt Kibbe sat down with Moicano to discuss how he discovered the ideas of free markets, sound money, and private property and why he found it important to share those insights with his fans.
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Welcome to Keeping on Liberty. I just got off the main stage at Freedom Fest with Renato Money Moicano, and we actually had the entire audience chanting, read Ludwig von Mises, motherfuckers. That's never going to happen again. And maybe I've already been censored by YouTube, but if not, check it out.
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B
Welcome to kibby on liberty.
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A
Renato, we just got off the stage.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Did you have a good time up there?
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C
Very good time. That was nice. Thank you so much for helping me with all the. With all that stuff, but it's very good to see so many people here talking about good stuff.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to be with friends, right?
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C
Yes, exactly.
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A
And that's how I feel. As I joked about on stage, you also gave me the excuse to drop the word motherfucker for the first time. I think we made Freedom Fest history, and we made these cool T shirts, which I got to show everybody.
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C
That's awesome. This is.
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A
Explain your nickname, Moikano, so that people understand the Mohawk.
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C
Yeah. Like, when I was really young, I think my father, he wants to see if I was, like, a coward or not. And he said, hey, why don't you cut your hair like a mohawk? Like the Mohawk style? You cannot do it. And I said, I can do it. Let's bet. Let's bet. And then we went to the barbershop and the guy did it. And since then, everybody calls me Moikano. What means Mohawk? Means the haircut. So since I was, like, 10, nine, something like that, people call me that. It's almost my last name.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I only learned this morning that that wasn't your actual last name.
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C
Yes. Yes. No. It's funny because sometimes, all the time, UFC is the same. They book my flights at Moicano. They book my hotel rooms at Moicano. So. So they ask me for the id, I give the driver license and say, your name is not on the system. And then I have to explain, my name is not Moicano. And then you have a document to prove that you're Moicano. I said, that's not my legal name. It's always a mess, but it's okay.
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A
It's okay. It's okay. Well, everybody watching this probably knows why you're sitting here, because we all saw the viral clip of you after you won your UFC match. Joe Rogan hands you the microphone and you give a little talk. What did you have to say?
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C
Yeah, I say, I love American Constitution. I love freedom of speech. I love the right to bear and have guns, and I love private Property. And if you guys care about your fucking country, read Ludwig von Mises and the Six Lessons of the Austrian Economic School. Actually, the name of the book is not like that, but since I read in Portuguese, that's the Portuguese name of the book that is called how it's called Economic Less.
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A
Is it Economic Policies Today and Tomorrow.
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C
I don't even know. Something like that.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
So that was how it started. And since then, people sometimes ask me to come and talk about that. So you went viral. And I think a huge factor of why it went viral is because the name was wrong. So everybody. What's this six lesson? Everybody was searching on Google, six lessons, but nobody could find out. And then people start to talk. No, it's this book. And then went viral. So I think that was a huge part of that too.
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A
And we didn't talk about this on stage, but I'm working on a. An actual academic project about Austrian economics and popular culture. And going all the way back to Friedrich Hayek when he decided to write the Road to Serfdom instead of a more academic treatment of the same subject. Austrians have always been part of the cultural conversation and not just stoic academics. Glenn Jacobs pointed out to me that nobody sits around in the UFC locker room talking about John Maynard case. Nobody gives a shit about it. And it's not like it's not something. It's. It's weird and esoteric and it's not fun. Right?
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C
Yes, yes.
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A
Whereas the Austrians, like, there's a lie too.
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C
Like I always say, what's the difference between the Austrian and the Canadian one? Supports a lie. That is the, that is the, the debit. That is the government spending the money that they don't have. And the Austrian, they support savings. You save and then you invest and then you do something with that. Canadian, they believe the money came first and then you're gonna have savings. So I think they believe in a lie. And we live into this lie in all governments in the world.
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A
There's an element of common sense to it.
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C
Exactly.
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A
And there's also, like, I heard you talking to the Students for Liberty kids. And there's also kind of a self help aspect of this that teaches you that if you want to achieve something in your life and you want to accomplish something and you want self respect, you got to look in the mirror and just do it.
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C
That's a huge part of that. You know, like I always say, I don't know how it is in America, but in Brazil, people that never accomplish nothing are talking about politics you never did anything meaningful to your life. How can you teach other people to do it? You know? So like I always say, I believe in reality. I believe in get better. And the only way to get better is to see through reality. And I think fighting help us with that. Because if you don't look in the mirror and say, hey, I'm better at that, I have to become better in that I have to see how I become even better on this point, on that point. And like I say, MMA fighting, not when you on a big stage or even on a small show, your flaw is going to show up. While you're good, you're going to show up. So you have to get better every day. And I think that's a huge aspect of my life. You know, I was just a kid trying to make a living through fighting. Now they have so much stuff. And I believe it's because of that. It's because this mentality. And I believe, like you say, the common sense is a huge part of the Austrians. And I think it's not for everybody, but if you can incorporate the aspect of this philosophy on your life, you're going to do well.
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A
So your dad was a socialist, and somehow you ended up in a very different place.
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C
Very different place. Yeah, my dad was a socialist. He still works for the government. He still believes like the government should choose for you what is good and what is bad. In Brazil, you have that culture of some people, they are better than others and choose stuff for you. They believe that. We saw that on the lockdowns and on the COVID era. We were talking about outside the main stage, like how people got radicalized by that. And my father was one of those who would say, you don't know shit. They know. And I think that's a huge aspect of being a leftist, of being like a conservative or even a libertarian. You don't tell what I have to do, you know, you don't tell me what is good and what is bad, because in one day everything can change. And stuff that people say this is bad can become good, you know, so government issue is low. And that's why. And that's why the government is not good in what the free market does. Everybody knows that the government, they are slow, they are incompetent in doing what the economy, what the free enterprise does. So why we would let them choose for us what to do in a moment like that? And not only that, but in every moment. So I think that was a moment to realize that they don't know what they're talking about and a lot of them don't. And look at that again, I'm more used to politics Brazil and there is some people that got elected, they even know how to write and read how that guy gonna take a decision for. It's not him taking the decision. So I just don't believe on the system, you know, I think a lot of people got fed up with that. I think a lot of people don't believe on the institutions. They don't believe the government promotes and make you have a better life. I think it's the worst. So that's why. And we're talking about Hayek and Serfedon and how the wars always get elected. On this book they say why? Because they are willing to do anything to win. If you have morals, if you have principles, it's better to not mess with politics because politics is going to change, is going to ruin your morals because you have to do whatever it takes to. To winning. And these people are going to decide that. And I think left wing people, they tend to rely more on government and they say government going to do well. I don't think that. And that's why I move up and I say no. I like to be a prop market guy.
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A
Yeah. Murray Rothbard talks about that, about producers and parasites. I think those are the words he uses.
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C
I think. Exactly. On the Hans Hermanhof book he was the same. There is only two classes of people who that produce and who that get the money from those who produce. And I think politicians are on the second category.
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A
So one of my heroes when I was a kid was the drummer from the band Rush. Do you know the band Rush?
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C
No. He's a rock and roll band.
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A
It's like a heavy metal progressive rock band. And he had read Ayn Rand when he was a kid.
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C
Okay.
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And he Famously said something quite similar to what you said. He would come to things like this, and he would meet with other libertarian intellectuals, and eventually he decided all they do is talk. They don't do anything. And his missive to me when I was very young is, figure out what you want to do with your life and do your work. And from that work, you're practicing and demonstrating that the philosophy of liberty actually works.
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C
Exactly, Exactly. I truly believe that. It was like I was saying to the kids over there, don't think too much about politics. You know, don't think too much about what other people think, and don't try to force people and believe on what you believe, because that's not the libertarian. That's not the classical liberal way. If you believe freedom is good, people gonna come to this conclusion, you know, So I don't think you should force. But the problem is we fighting against the government. The government wants people to. To go in a certain way and to believe in a certain set of rules. So you have to be against that, but not against people.
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A
So it's interesting that you quoted the Six Economic Lessons of Ludwig von Mises, because you know this history. Most people probably don't, but Ludwig von Mises was brought to Argentina to give a series of lectures, six lectures in 1959. And it's sort of curious to me, and it would be impossible to map this out, but somehow his six lectures in Argentina in 1959 found its way in the UFC ring. And I didn't know this until this morning as well, but I asked Grok, what's the size of the audience of the UFC? And they claim 700 million people.
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C
That's a lot of people.
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A
That's a lot of people. That's a megaphone. Yeah, that's a megaphone. And I can't imagine how many people you reach, but with decentralized technology. And that clip went viral, and God knows how many millions and millions and millions of people saw it. You're talking about a very decentralized way to spread the right ideas, because it used to be that if. If it wasn't at the university, your ideas would not get heard. And Mises himself suffered this. When he came to America, he could not get an academic position. He actually had a private benefactor finance his position at New York University, because academia said, I am not interested in that. But all of those old silos, you know, the ivory tower of academia, it's gone. Yeah, it's gone.
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C
Yeah, yeah. People realize. And again, I'm from Brazil, and I know how that operates and in Brazil like is free education for all, let's say like that. But you have to remember who is paying the bills. They have the command. So they, they, they say what to teach is not the students. And, and that's why I like Internet. Because people are realizing more and more that getting debit to get a degree to something that is not meaningful to the real world, like some diplomas, that's not good. And people are realizing like how much I can make being a constructor or sometimes they get better salaries and money than people that went to academy to enter the school. And they don't have anything to, to do for society. So I love the Internet, you know, I love so much because I can learn so much. You have like I say, we are talking about Jordan Peterson. I watch all the Jordan Peterson podcast with Joe Rogan speech and that's why I bought his book. And his book is great 12 Lessons for Life. And I think a lot of these ideas of conservatives and of libertarian, of classic liberals, they go together not everything, but some. And again, I like to see myself as a free thinker. I'm not special, but I like to live my life the way I like. I don't want to, like I always say I don't want to put my views on other people, but I like to go to the Internet and see stuff that I will never see. Like Milton Friedman, he has like a very good series of videos Institute Hoover has a lot of good videos that I, that I saw. And that would be impossible without Internet, just a kid in Brazil to, to be learning about that stuff. So I love the way Internet operates. And if you think about that, it's crazy because you go to YouTube or Chick Toko, whatever social media is, and you see some, some videos, some clips with millions of views of something that they would never put on tv, they would never put on broadcast. So I like decentralization because this is the marketing operating, you know, people choosing freely what they want to consume. So I love the Internet.
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A
Yeah. So your gateway into Austrian economics was not necessarily the books, but bitcoin and bitcoin culture. And you were a bitcoiner before you discovered that Austrian theory helps explain why bitcoin has value.
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C
I would not say I was a bitcoiner back in the day because I was trying to speculate and to make money. But once I start to understand and say that's not only a speculative asset, this is money. Because my problem was what is money? What is money? It's just a way to exchange stuff but money needs to be durable. But who say how much something worth? And then I got entangled on these questions. And a lot of these questions they were answered by cipher D. Amos on the Bitcoin standard, where he explained how the money become money and how government corrupt money. And then I found Hofbauer, I found all the authors of the Austrian Economic School and Ludwig von Mises. And I think the most important thing that Mises teach us is inflation is not the price is getting high, inflation in the increase of the money supply. And people don't talk about that much. That's it. If the price is inflating, it's because the government is printing more money. And like we were talking on the panel, they have a scheme, the Federal Reserve and the government, they have a scheme of money. You know, the Federal Reserve, that is a private bank, buy, you know, bonds from the government. How that's not. People don't realize that, you know, if you don't have people to buy their bonds, the Federal Reserve can buy their bonds with the money that they just print. And it's not physical money, it's not bills, it's just numbers on a computer. And they say, hey, and you have another thing is the Cantillon Effect too. So whoever gets this money first, gets the money without inflation and then buys more. So who is these people are the friends with the government? So like you say too is the chronic capitalism. You know, people that are friends with the government, they get the benefits of the inflation. Yeah, but people that are on the bottom, the people that work in Walmart, the people that are more the poorest, they don't understand money, they don't have savings, they get screwed. Because when the money enter on the system, once gets the down, your money doesn't worth anything. Your purchasing power is gone. And the government can print that money and use on stupid stuff. Because dollars reais fiat currency is not real money. That's why I think Bitcoin will be real money one day. It is real money.
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It is real money. Have you found, have any of your colleagues gotten turned on to Austrian economics because of the stuff that you do?
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C
You know, it's funny, because I have a couple friends, they study economics in Brazil and I was introducing them to Mises, to stuff I said, I never heard about that. I never heard about. We studied Marx, we studied Canis and even other authors that are not full socialists. But I never, never once in my life, I didn't even know who was Hayek. And Hayek was a Nobel Prize in economies. So it's funny, it's a gatekeeping the university, they don't let people understand the other side. If you have a socialist, you have to show the Austrian too. And what's the theory of money, this, the economic cycles, all that stuff. But so I can see, I introduced to friends that study economics and but didn't know about the Austrian. But most of the people, they don't care. The fighters, the fans, they don't really care. They say Meccano, fuck that, talk about mma. And then I do, because again, it's the free market. I'm gonna tell you something. I was doing a podcast in English, was doing very well and I was doing a YouTube channel. I was doing very well, but I was talking about mma. And after that speech I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do a YouTube channel in Portuguese and I'm going to talk about politics, money, all that stuff. And I started. But then one day I did a video about MMA and blow up. So people want to me talking about MMA and okay, if that's what the market wants, they're going to have it, you know, and I'm going to make money and I'm going to put on bitcoin and eventually I'm going to be even richer. So I start to understand the libertarian philosophy is not for everybody, is for people that want to be free. And most of the people, they don't want to be free, they don't want to be responsible, they are just like kids, they want the government to be the fathers and that's okay too. If this is yours, that's okay. But we different, you know?
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Yeah.
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C
And like I say, I will be keeping talking. If you ask me like you are asking here, what do you believe I gonna say? But other than that, I'm not gonna go to places and say, hey, you have to be like me. No, you do whatever the you want and I do whatever the I want. And in the end of the day you're gonna see who is right, right. 10 years from now, 15 years from now, who is right. I think, I think the bitcoiners are right. Even though the bitcoin is 65k right now,010 years ago, how mild we was. So I think eventually the money printing is not gonna stop. There is no way America stopped to print money. How much is the debit right now? It's like 37 trillions. How are we gonna pay the debit? We're not gonna.
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That was a couple days ago. I think it's 39 now 39. Yeah. So it's hard to keep up.
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C
It's hard to keep up because with the wars, with the bad policies, with the spending of money and both of the parties, they support that. So it's not gonna stop. The only eight, the only way to stop Bitcoin is fix the economic policies, stop to print money and have a, a fixed supply of money. That's not happening. So bitcoin is not stopping you.
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Yeah. By the way, we're gonna make a new T shirt. I have a T shirt that says don't hurt people and don't take their stuff.
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C
It's easy, right?
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That's easy.
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C
I like that. If you live by that code, you're a good man.
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A
Yeah. But your code is I'm gonna live my life and you can do whatever the you want.
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C
Yes, that's my code. Yeah. As long as you don't hurt me or other people, you know. Yeah, I believe on that. But I understand why some people cannot live by that code because they want people to be like them. Everybody. You know, you want your son to be like your yours, you want everybody to be like yours, but that's not the way I think people should figure it out what is good for them. And if you. And I think overall people gonna tend to have like individual freedoms. But all the like miz say all the freedom. Start with the economic freedom. If you don't have economic freedom, you don't have any other freedom.
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Yeah.
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So I want to go back to this idea of Mises the academic, the intellectual coming to Argentina in 1959. And there is something interesting going on in Latin America, in Central America, South America, obviously in Argentina, Javier Milei actually has a dog named after Murray Rothbard. So that's, that's, that, that is cultural penetration right there. But what there's a huge pro Mises movement in Brazil itself. What's. And it. And, and do you know those guys? And have you been involved in that at all?
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C
Yes, I know the Keoka brothers. Now they have the, the Rofba MIS Institute. They used to be with Mises, but they split up with the other guy over there. Now they have the Rothba Institute. And, and there is a guy that is very influential in Brazil. His name is Renato Amoedo. He's very influential. He's very. And he became so much popular. And he's a true hardcore libertarian, narco capitalist guy. And he spread these ideas like crazy in Brazil. So there is a big, big movement of libertarians in Brazil. Even though some are more, like I say minarchist, some are more anarcho capitalist. Some like the Mises ideas better. Some others, like Rothbaugh and Hans Hammerhope ideas because they are a little bit different. But they all focus on the freedom of the individual. And it's huge on Brazil right now, especially because we don't have freedom of speech. We don't have private property in America. As bad as it is, it's better than any other place in the world. Like I say, America is not a free market society anymore. You don't have private property, really. If you pay taxes on your home, that's not your property. If you, if you have to pay taxes on your car every year, that's not. This is just a concession, right? But if you go to Brazil is even worse. Imagine you buy a car in Brazil. You have to, you have to pay 4% every year of the car, 4% every year just to have the car. Otherwise they gonna take your car out. You cannot homeschooling your kids. There is parents in Brazil last month that they got in jail and they were teaching. They were teaching everything, even music, like classic. They were teaching like classic education for the kids. But that was not enough for the government. You have to put. You have to put the kids to like socialize, to see crappy music, you know, to see like hip hop, to see rapping. Because otherwise they're not gonna be kids. So this is the government, this deciding what the parents can and cannot do on their own families. And I think that's just bad. And I think that that's what pushes people to be more radical, you know, because you see, man, the government is just not bad. The government satanic. They want to control you. They. They hate what you love. The government hate what you love. So that pushes you to be more libertarian, to not be, you know, to be anti democratic, you know, because the way democracy is going nowadays. I don't like the way democracy is going. I don't think it's the best representing us actually. I don't think nobody's representing myself over there. I cannot see myself on any politician. So how that works for me. And I think that's what pushes people to the deliberate community, especially on Latin American.
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A
So you talked about the six lessons. Was, was that kind of one of your gateway books or did you decide to do that because it's, it Mises is more accessible in those lectures?
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C
I think, I think, I think, I think you, if you cannot, if you cannot explain something to a kid, to a kid, you're doing a bad job. That's not the kid's fault, it's your fault. And I think it's not because it's easy to read that you make. I think Mises made a great point on the lecture and I think that book is so good because of the lecture that you say actually that was not supposed to be a book. I think his wife compiled in a book after he's dead. So I don't even know if was his idea to do that. But in the end of the day it's just an easy book to start. And then you realize other things that are in other books, like the problem of the calculation. Right. The impossibility of socialism. On the book that I read on the six lessons, they had like Isaac say to explain that. And I say that makes a lot of sense. How can you calculate a price of something if there is no private property? If you cannot, if you cannot see what are the prices and formal price because the price is just a sign up. So I think that this is so important, that kind of ideas. And I think Mises, he does a very good job in explaining capitalism in a very simple, simple way. Socialism interviews all the topics in the book. So if you have problems reading, try to read Mrs. Try to read the six lessons and then you go further. You cannot start with the Human Action and praxiology and all that stuff. That's very hard. So I strongly recommend you to start on easy books. And then you build up. Right.
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A
You know, I actually did start with Human Action.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Because Ayn Rand. So I discovered Ayn Rand reading the liner notes on a, on a rock album from the band Rush. And then I found like her little book anthem. And then I devoured all of her stuff and, and she actually says in one of her books, if you want to understand economics, read Ludwig von mises. So at 16 I tried to read Human Action. I had no fucking idea what I was doing. But all I know for certain is that that was a bad way to meet girls.
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C
Yeah.
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A
They were not interested in this stuff.
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C
No.
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A
Yeah. And I didn't find that the six lessons until I went to the foundation for Economic Education after Mises had died. And I think they published it first.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So it is like, you have to make it easy for people. That has to. The rule. Tell me more, tell me more about your podcast. Because you, you, you. You certainly talk about mma, but you also talk about ideas.
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C
Yes.
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A
Is it a combination or is it two different projects?
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C
No, it's the same, you know, because usually what I do is I do live streams on the fighting, like today. So my grabber is fighting today. So I will put the camera, put the mic, and I. And then I will be broadcasting like I was like, I am Joe Rogan.
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So, yeah, commenter.
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C
Commenter. Yeah. So I. Commentating. But I think to be a color commentator, you have to put a little bit of expression. So. So everything that I compare and say, I use the Austrian economics, I use like the way I view the world. So. So it's a mix of sports and. And like libertarianism. You know, I don't like to use that word. If people ask me, are you a libertarian? I will not say that. I will say I'm a Christian that loves freedom and loves liberty. I love liberty. So I don't want to put me in a box, but on this podcast and when I'm live streaming, I tell what I see, you know, and everybody in the chat ask questions. And sometimes they ask questions like that, what I can read, what I should do, and then I do just like we're doing here. So it's not specifically for libertarianism and for Mises and Austrian, but this is part of me. So I always talking about that.
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A
Yeah. And you were saying to the students, like, you're the ripe old age of 37, which is pretty old for a fighter, right?
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C
Yeah, very old.
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A
And you're already thinking about what you're going to do in your next career.
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C
Yes.
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And it's going to be this, right? You're going to.
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C
Yes, yes. I'll be like. Because I have a huge audience in Brazil. So usually on my live streams, I get like 10, 15,000, 20,000 people live. So I get cross crazy numbers. At one point on the White House card, I got like 60,000 people live watching. I got 1.6 million views on the. On this live stream only. So this is going to be a natural process for me. And, and so people ask me, so, so why are you doing that? I do that because I like, I. But I do that because it has money. Money too. But at the same time, I have the other product project, having the gym and teaching kids and teaching young adolescents too. And. And I have another channel that is more focused on that. And I realize you can talk about all that stuff, but not saying it's Austria Economic School too, you know? Know. So you just have to ask how much. I was telling. I was telling the guys the other day on my second, because I have two channels and on this channel it's more focused on. On politics and all that stuff. And I was telling him, do you know, in 2009, I bought my first car? You know how much I paid? The car was new from Brazilian highs, was like 10,000. Okay. If you buy the same car today, if I sell the same car that I still own is going to be more expensive than from what I bought because. Because inflation, basically.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So how can you explain that I bought a car I don't know how many years ago, like 20 years ago for 10,000. If I sell the same car today is 15,000. Tell me, tell me how the economy is not fucked up. So I tell this to the chat and they realize, and then, money, please. What book do you recommend then? I recommend some books and then I talk some stuff. But like I say, it could not be, hey, today we're going to talk about the Austrian economy. No, today we're going to talk about fighting, we're going to talk about life. And then we go to subjects like that. Because like I said, the audience, they don't want. They just want like the interaction, entertainment. But you have to hit them with like, good stuff for their life too.
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A
Yeah. I mean, this is the Joe Rogan model, right? Like, he's a comedian, but he's an MMA announcer and he has serious academics like Jordan Peterson. And he mixes it up and he gets his very large audience to sit through a three hour conversation about some esoteric wing of science or something like that. And.
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C
And they stone a theory. Do you remember that one?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Stone ape theory.
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A
Yeah, it's great.
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C
Sometimes he. I like the way he does, you know, sometimes he talks about aliens. Sometimes that is not. There is no prohibited topic, so you can talk about whatever.
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A
Yeah. And Joe, if you're watching this, you got to get Renato on your show to talk. To talk about Austrian economics.
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C
I hope so.
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A
So I know you got to go do this live stream. What is your advice for people like me? And I want to turn people onto these ideas and at Free the People, we're trying to translate really complex ideas. Into something that's consumable and fun and interesting. What's your personal advice to me as someone that went far more viral than I ever will?
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C
No, I think. I think in every content that you produce, I consume a lot of Internet, and I think the people love authenticity. People love you being yourself. So. And another thing that sells pretty well on Internet is controversy. You know, if you can say Mises is the best author of the Austrian Economic School, this is one thing. Another thing is Karl Marx sucks. They're gonna sell a lot more, you know, Internet. So I think it's the way you talk and being authentical. I think at least that's the way I feel. I feel when people ask me, I try to be as. How do I say? True. I stay to say what I believe.
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A
Honest.
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C
Honest. I try to be as honest as possible. And I think people can realize this guy's being honest. He's telling the truth. So there might be something there. I think authenticity is the word on the Internet.
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A
The most controversial thing I've ever said on my show is that cats are libertarians. And dogs.
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C
I have heard about that.
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A
And dogs are communists. And dog owners get so pissed off, but they get mad because I'm right.
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C
Yes.
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A
And they're wrong. Of course.
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C
Yeah. So I think that's what sells. You know, get people mad, get people to love what I say, or get people to hate what you say. I think that's the way to do our Internet.
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A
When do you fight again?
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C
September. I don't have a contract yet, but UFC is planning to make a fight. I cannot announce yet because I don't have a contract, but pretty soon, I will have a date and opponent.
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A
Well, thanks to you, I've had almost the most fun I've ever had at Freedom Fest because we had an entire crowd of people chanting. Read Ludwig von Mises, motherfuckers.
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C
Yes.
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A
That's. That's the good stuff.
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C
That's the good stuff.
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A
Thank you, sir. Thank you. This is fun.
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C
That was very fun.
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B
Thanks for watching. If you liked the conversation, make sure to like the video, subscribe and also ring the bell for notifications. And if you want to know more about Free the people, go to freethepeople.org.
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C
Sam.