Ep 396 | Democracy Is a Fraud | Guest: Patrick Byrne

Summary

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Kibbe on Liberty — Ep 396: “Democracy Is a Fraud”

Guest: Patrick Byrne | Host: Matt Kibbe
Date: July 22, 2026 | Podcast Network: Blaze Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt Kibbe sits down with entrepreneur, former Overstock CEO, and self-described “national intelligence asset” Patrick Byrne at Freedom Fest. Byrne contends that, for over two decades, American democracy has been subverted by deep state actors, globalists, and corrupted voting technology originating from Venezuela. The conversation is wide-ranging and deeply conspiratorial, connecting everything from 2020 pandemic policies to election software, alleged intelligence operations, and the role of figures such as Barack Obama, John Brennan, and even Elon Musk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Libertarianism Under Siege, Cancer Survivors' Perspective

• Byrne and Kibbe reminisce about earlier discussions on libertarian topics (Bitcoin, Austrian economics), and share personal stories as cancer survivors. Both note how surviving cancer gave them clarity and the freedom to speak uncomfortable truths.
  • Byrne: “I've committed 10,000 years of felonies in the course of various things I've been doing. It's really. There's no point in. I crossed that Rubicon a long time ago.” (08:03)
  • Kibbe: “Kibbe 2.0 just doesn't give a shit anymore.” (07:24)
• Byrne criticizes mainstream libertarians and America’s response to the rise of “tyranny” during and after COVID-19, saying most groups “hid under their desk.” (02:06)

2. The Global Deep State Psyop Playbook

• Byrne outlines a “playbook” allegedly used by globalist elites, intended to create “one world government” through fear-based events: pandemics, climate emergencies, or alien attacks.
  • Byrne: “The Deep State is really just one. The satellite branch of the globalist movement...there should be a One World Government. And once that happens, it turns out that, of course, the only carbon they really care about reducing is you and me.” (04:29)

3. Byrne’s Intelligence Operations: Russiagate and Hillary Clinton

• Byrne recounts how, starting in 2006, he was recruited as a “national intelligence asset,” ultimately under John Brennan and the National Security Council.
  • Byrne claims he was an unwitting participant in both the initial genesis of “Russiagate” (with Maria Butina) and in an “arranged bribe” to Hillary Clinton from Azerbaijan.
  • These, he says, were intended as insurance: the deep state could control whoever won the 2016 election, via either a Russian scandal (for Republicans) or a bribery scandal (for Clinton).
    • Byrne: “Seven weeks later, the bag from Azerbaijan ended up...with Hillary Clinton. She accepted an $18 million bribe.” (14:19)
    • Byrne: “Obama was creating a situation. So whoever was the president after 2016, he controlled.” (15:42)
  • He contends the real orchestrators are Obama and Brennan, possibly themselves assets of “the globalists/WEF.” (15:51)

4. Venezuela’s Rigged Elections & Export of Voting Technology

• Byrne details the 2004 takeover of Venezuela’s elections by a “communist mafia” and the development of fraudulent voting machines—eventually branded as Smartmatic, which he claims became the blueprint for Dominion, ES&S, and Hart voting systems now used in the U.S. and 70+ other countries.
  • Byrne: “They commercialized this package in a company called Smartmatic and then Smartmatic ended up spreading around the world to the US and to 71 other nations.” (17:57)
  • He stresses it’s not “voter fraud” but “election fraud, whole system fraud.” (16:28)
  • Byrne: “Whether you buy ES&S, Hart, or Dominion, the operating system is this Venezuelan technology.” (21:09)

5. Events Post-2020: Intelligence Pushback and Trump’s Inaction

• Byrne claims post-2020, he made contacts inside intelligence agencies and brought Venezuelan defectors to the U.S. for debriefings. A detailed report authored by Tulsi Gabbard supposedly reached Trump, leading to a U.S. Navy flotilla headed to Venezuela in 2025.
  • Byrne: “There was great opposition from the intelligence community against debriefing them...The CIA is fighting against Trump saying, look, you do not get rid of these, these election machines. We're too. It's too powerful a weapon to have.” (22:24)
  • Asserts the CIA used a USAID NGO (CEPS) to spread this technology to left-wing allies worldwide.

6. Bombshell Accusations: “Democracy Is a Fraud”

• Byrne asserts U.S. democracy has been a sham for 20 years, citing a pivotal moment when General Michael Flynn heard Venezuelan engineers explain two decades of global election rigging:
  • Byrne: “General, we've been flipping elections for 20 years in 72 nations.” (27:34)
• He makes dire claims about the 2024 election, suggesting only an eleventh-hour U.S. cyber strike prevented a Kamala Harris victory, which would supposedly have been orchestrated from Belgrade, Serbia (using the compromised system).
  • Byrne: “On election day, Cyber Command hacked this building in Belgrade, Serbia, and smoked...the only reason we did not get Kamala Harris as victor.” (31:05)

7. Elon Musk’s Involvement

• Byrne alleges that after being briefed on the Venezuelan technology, Musk became convinced and began publicly supporting Trump; Musk referred to “10,000 space lasers” disrupting a cyber-attack on election day.
  • Byrne: “That morning he'd been on the zoom call with the guys in Venezuela. And that's why he started campaigning and saying, this is the end of civilization. We need to win this.” (29:40)

8. Is a Clean Election Possible?

• Byrne says the only real solution is a return to paper ballots, publicly counted at the precinct level, with robust ID requirements. He claims up to 28% of U.S. voter rolls are “fictitious or illegal,” making authentic democracy impossible unless comprehensive reforms are enacted soon.
  • Byrne: “You got to clean up the voter rolls and you got to run an old fashioned election without machines, without machinery. The way we teach Burma to run elections, we need one election like that.” (32:57)

9. Personal Stakes, Flynn, and New Projects

• Byrne describes close collaboration with General Flynn, beginning in 2020, and references a docu-series (“Enemy Within,” Amazon Prime) and new books chronicling his story and these allegations.
  • Encourages listeners to follow his Substack and Twitter for updates: “Go to my Twitter feed basically to get this and you'll find a bunch of interviews with me and Alex Jones or Emerald Robinson where these stories have been told.” (36:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Libertarians always like, talking about their guns and how they're going to be ready for government. Well, the government came for them...and most of the libertarian organizations in America just hid under their desk.” – Patrick Byrne (02:06)
• “It's that bad...once that happens, it turns out that, of course, the only carbon they really care about reducing is you and me.” – Patrick Byrne (05:01)
• “Seven weeks later...Hillary Clinton walks into the room, the bag man from Azerbaijan walks into the room...She accepted an $18 million bribe.” – Patrick Byrne (14:19)
• “Democracy is a fraud. Has been for 20 years.” – Patrick Byrne (26:47)
• “This is the greatest act of war against the United States in history.” – Patrick Byrne (28:09)
• “My [Venezuelan] partner was sent into the Pentagon, the Cyber Command, and turned everything over. And then on election day, Cyber Command hacked this building in Belgrade, Serbia...the only reason we did not get Kamala Harris as victor.” – Patrick Byrne (31:05)
• “We're not anywhere close to a clean election...The voter rolls are probably 28% dirty.” – Patrick Byrne (31:52)
• “You count the ballots publicly, transparently, there where they are cast. This is how we teach countries to do it all over the world. We just don't do it ourselves.” – Patrick Byrne (34:02)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:32 – Opening; Byrne and Kibbe reflect on libertarianism and personal cancer survival.
• 03:13 – Allegations about a “planned” global bird flu pandemic; introduction of psyop concept.
• 04:29 – Byrne explains the “Deep State” as part of globalist neo-Trotskyite movement.
• 08:03 – Byrne details why he is now fully “telling the truth” after years as a covert asset.
• 11:04 – Story of Maria Butina, Russian scandal setup in 2015.
• 14:03 – Alleged bribe involving Hillary Clinton and Azerbaijani interests.
• 16:28 – Venezuela’s election fraud and the rise of Smartmatic.
• 22:12 – Byrne recounts resistance inside U.S. intelligence to publishing his revelations.
• 26:47 – “Democracy is a fraud” and General Flynn’s pivotal debriefing.
• 28:49 – Elon Musk’s role; “10,000 space lasers” anecdote.
• 31:05 – U.S. Cyber Command “hack” of Belgrade election center.
• 32:55 – Can democracy be saved? Byrne’s call for paper ballots and voter roll overhaul.
• 35:38 – Byrne’s timeline with General Flynn; his docuseries and books.

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Further Resources

• Patrick Byrne: Twitter/X, Substack, “Enemy Within” docuseries (Amazon Prime)
• Matt Kibbe/Free the People: Website

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Tone and Atmosphere

• Candid, conspiratorial, and intense, with the language often brisk, direct, and occasionally irreverent.
• Byrne speaks with a mix of world-weariness (“I just don't give a shit anymore”) and urgency, convinced catastrophe was narrowly averted in 2024.
• Kibbe provides a libertarian skeptic’s platform but allows Byrne’s narrative largely unchallenged, highlighting the story’s “bombshell” quality.

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For listeners or readers: this episode contains unverified claims and represents the views and tone of the speakers. It is provided as a summary of the content, not as an endorsement of its authenticity.

Transcript

[Patrick Byrne]

Foreign.

[Host Announcer]

Welcome to kibby on liberty.

[Matt Kibbe]

Patrick, we meet again at Freedom Fest.

[Patrick Byrne]

Matt, great to see you again, sir.

[Matt Kibbe]

And folks that are listening to this need to know that we're sort of live because we're right in the conference hall and there'll be a little bit of background noise. You just came off of the main stage, which is right across from us, and you presented something that's stranger than fiction, like this. This seems like a movie. Sci fi thriller. Me, as a wildly cynical libertarian, can't believe some of the things I'm hearing. But you've been a regular on this show over the years. I don't remember the first time we talked, but we, you know, back in a simpler time, we were talking about Bitcoin and Milton Friedman. Milton Friedman and school choice and all of these passions that you've had. You've been a libertarian fellow traveler forever. I actually met you. You may not remember this, but I met you at an Austrian economics conference years and years and years ago.

[Patrick Byrne]

Where was that? With Milton. Was it with Milton? Was I with Milton?

[Matt Kibbe]

It was not with Milton, but I think it might have been at George Mason University.

[Patrick Byrne]

Or was it the. What is that thing that he and Hayek started?

[Matt Kibbe]

Oh, Mont Pelerin Society.

[Patrick Byrne]

Was it that? Maybe it was George Mason.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, maybe, Maybe.

[Patrick Byrne]

But it could have been George Mason.

[Matt Kibbe]

It was forever ago. Yeah, so. So we know all the secret handshakes.

[Patrick Byrne]

You're probably my favorite libertarian. And as I said, I just took a dig at the libertarians. What a bunch of weak sisters they were.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah.

[Patrick Byrne]

Through what just happened over the last four years. But with the exception of you, Free the people, you were the only. And you interviewed me. You were the only one, you know, here. Libertarians always like, talking about their guns and how they're going to be ready for government. Well, the government came for them. It came for them and they came for your kids with shots with transgender ideology, all this stuff. And most of the libertarian organizations in America just hid under their desk.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. My unkind joke is that the libertarian industrial complex is awesome, except when it matters.

[Patrick Byrne]

Yeah.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah.

[Patrick Byrne]

Like I said.

[Matt Kibbe]

And I would say that, like, you know, I would say not to just pick on libertarians, but a lot of Americans failed the test, the tyranny test in 2020, and they just kept submitting. I don't think it's going to happen again. I don't know about you, but I think there's enough of us, like, maybe 20% of the country that would say, hell, no, and that's plenty enough to Stop the next tyranny.

[Patrick Byrne]

And, you know, we came. We came within a whisker. If Kamala Harris had won, the evidence is they had ready to pop a new pandemic. The Global bird Flu pandemic. In August, September, October of 2024, they were building up to it. The government bought 100 million doses of MRNA vaccine for. And I believe it was revealed that on November 24, the plan is if Kamala had won, they were going with a new lockdown because of this Global bird flu pandemic. By the way, what happened to that? It's like it was going to be worse than Covid, but it just seems to disappear.

[Matt Kibbe]

Poof. Like it was a psyop all along. Yeah, they. They keep floating different variations of that out again and again and again. We just had the henta scare. And you can go back quite a ways and see, like, the. The swine flu scare. Like, this has always been part of the playbook. And. And part of your presentation today was that this psyop is 100% on purpose.

[Patrick Byrne]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Kibbe]

100%. A way to shift power to the. I guess we call it the Deep State. Still the globalists.

[Patrick Byrne]

The Deep State is really just one. The satellite branch of the globalist movement.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah.

[Patrick Byrne]

Which is a Neo Trotsky movement. That there should be a One World Government. They know there's three ways to get people to accept a One World Government. One is a pandemic. One is climate emergency. The other is an attack by aliens. And they figured out in the 1950s or 60s that these were the ways you would get the populations of Earth to accept a One World Government. And once that happens, it turns out that, of course, the only carbon they really care about reducing is you and me.

[Matt Kibbe]

Right. Yeah. It's that bad. And let me ask you a personal question, because people should know that you have been fighting cancer since you were a very young man.

[Patrick Byrne]

22.

[Matt Kibbe]

22. And it was actually the treatments that you received when you were 22 that you've been fighting ever since. Is that a fair way to say it?

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, I received a lot of treatments that created a lot of other damages to lungs, to heart, to other things. And I've had 40 years of dealing with that. I just had half of my left lung removed, the lower half, two weeks ago, So I sort of sucked it up to make it here, but I'm going to go back and lay in bed.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, you're. You're a machine, my friend. And. And I think we talked about this years ago, but I am also a stage four cancer survivor. 22 years. So I'm. And one of the things that my doctors. They made a decision because I was so young when I got sick not to give me. I think it's bleomycin that. That destroys your lungs.

[Patrick Byrne]

Yes. It's based off mustard gas. Actually. Bleomycin is. They give you ifosfimode instead. Was that the one that gave you the alternative?

[Matt Kibbe]

It was cisplatin and etoposide. Was my cocktail still pretty rough. But I haven't had any recurrence or anything. I have scar tissue issues.

[Patrick Byrne]

Me too.

[Matt Kibbe]

Is probably more than our viewers need to hear about.

[Patrick Byrne]

I've had. Bleomycin is based off mustard gas which they discovered in the 20s could kill cancer. And you're supposed to be limited to five doses in a treatment cycle and 20 in a lifetime. I've had 65 doses of bleomycin in my life. So my lungs are heavily scarred up and damaged from that. But it really. This recent surgery was surgery 119. And I used to be able to rattle them off till about 60 or 65. And then since then I just count them. Try not to remember them. I won't bore your audience, but I.

[Matt Kibbe]

But I wonder, like, I will give talks about this. Surviving cancer for me was kind of my superpower. Like, after I survived cancer, in my mind I had a much more productive career.

[Patrick Byrne]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Kibbe]

Kibbe 1.0 looks good on like, my resume looked great and I did these fancy jobs for. Particularly for a young man. But Kibbe 2.0 just doesn't give a shit anymore.

[Patrick Byrne]

That's what matters. That's a common thing with cancer survivors that we just realize we've seen behind the curtain.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Patrick Byrne]

It reorients you.

[Matt Kibbe]

And that's your superpower. You're up on stage telling state secrets and exposing things that very few normal Americans even know about. And I'm guessing you just don't give a shit.

[Patrick Byrne]

You're going to tell the truth exactly. At this part. I crossed that Rubicon so long ago. As I confess from this stage, I've committed 10,000 years of felonies in the course of various things I've been doing. It's really. There's no point in. I crossed that Rubicon a long time ago.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. So when the central part of your thesis is that you have been an intelligence asset.

[Patrick Byrne]

Yeah. It doesn't. I mean, they use words like asset or informant. I'm not an informant. I'm not a spook. I'm a national. I eventually became a National Intelligence asset reporting to the National Security Council. But I had relations to all the branches you've heard about and some you haven't. And that's why I put up. I opened with that quote from General Flynn because General Flynn, I know that this sounds batshit crazy to people, but General Flynn opened his preface to my books and saying, no, this is all true. I know about Patrick and the work he did. The US government. I'm a National Intelligence asset. And actually under Obama is when I reached that level. Before then I was something called a tier one asset. And from well, this is what's key to the story. In 2006, someone took me to lunch and she said, you've done such nice work for us over the years. We'd like to move you into a more high speed group you'll be taking orders from. I said, sure. She emerged seven years later as one of John Brennan's two proteges. So from 2006 forward, I was taking orders from John Brennan, though the name was not used with me until about 2012. So I know a lot of things I'm not supposed to know. And that's why when I say I was in the middle of the formation of the Russian collusion hoax and the Hillary Clinton investigation, that's why I think when I first tried telling the story four years ago with you, I was still trying to maintain this fiction that I was just kind of a businessman who stumbled into this. And then over time I revealed a little bit more. Now I'm revealing the full truth that I actually had this lifelong relationship and it was supposed to die with me. It would have died with me. But we're in the middle of what we're in the middle of and there comes a point to just gotta come out and tell the public.

[Matt Kibbe]

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[Matt Kibbe]

So we did a whole Episode on this, but briefly remind us of the drama that started here at Freedom Fest in 2015.

[Patrick Byrne]

Yeah, I spoke on bitcoin here. And after I spoke, this Russian redhead came up to me and said, introduced herself, said, I'm here from Russia. I have a message for you. I'd like to have lunch with you. We went to lunch the next day and she said, I represent a group of people in Russia and the Russian government and oligarchy who really want to meet you. They're, they're liberals, Patrick, believe it or not. By liberals, she meant us. And they want to meet you. They want to talk to you about what a post Putin age might look like. You know, we're not disloyal to Putin. He's our president. But he's not going to be president forever. And we'd like to see a day where Russia and the US are like we used to be. You know, Russia has kind of saved our bacon in the Civil War. It's not really taught in American schools. But did you know that it was the Russians that they saved us against the South? You know, they. Anyway, I won't go into it. So that was the pitch. She didn't know that I already had this relationship, that because of that I had to report her and that she was trying to get me to go to Russia. And that turned into instructions to just kind of work with her and find out what she's about, which turned into a romantic relationship. But where they were, I could, I learned over a few months they were using, they were setting up some kind of scandal and they were using her at the center of it. And that's what I figured out, really, by the end of 2015, which is long before the official Russia thing ever started. It's all a lie. It's all a cover up. The Durham reports, a cover up. They were, they were setting it all up from July 2015, maybe February 2015. Yeah, and it wasn't specifically on Trump. It was on all the Republicans, Cruz, Rubio or Trump. Whoever came to the forward was going to be facing some kind of Russian scandal. And they were just sort of using me to maneuver her around to dirty, to smudge up the Republican Party. So, for example, Chris Christie asked to meet me and the FBI said, bring this girl along to your meeting with Christie and she'll report it in Moscow. It'll make your stock go up. So I brought her, I met with Chris Christie and I brought her in for an hour. I brought her in for the last five minutes. They used that to Get a warrant on Chris Christie. So they were using Maria Butina to fabricate this scandal. And I figured that out, really, by the end of 2015, what they were up to.

[Matt Kibbe]

So for the Republicans, it was the seeds of a Russiagate scandal that would have played out if it was Chris Christie or Donald Trump or Rubio or Cruz or anybody. Yeah. Simultaneously or about the same time they had you set up Hillary Clinton.

[Patrick Byrne]

That's correct. They had me arrange a bribe for her. Azerbaijan wanted to pay her a bribe. And my assignment was. Patrick, after you connect with the bag man, well, you have two months. Within the next two months, we want you to create a situation where there's a room somewhere in the world. Hillary Clinton walks into the room, the bag man from Azerbaijan walks into the room. They have 10 minutes alone together. You pull that together any way you want. And it took me seven weeks. But seven weeks later, the bag from Azerbaijan ended up in a room in a hotel room in Washington, D.C. willingly, with Hillary Clinton. She accepted an $18 million bribe, and

[Matt Kibbe]

the goal was, regardless of the outcome of the election, to control the executive.

[Patrick Byrne]

Exactly. That if the Republicans won, they were going to create a. Well, if Hillary won, Obama would have had her under his thumb or on a Bunsen burner because he had this bribe stuff. If the Trump. If Trump won or if a Republican won, they would have a Russia scandal to derail him with. And that's exactly what happened. Yeah. So this was the CIA, the deep state, conducting foreign policy and conducting a soft. Well, it was Obama, Brennan, and Comey conducting a coup to overtake the US Government, no matter who won. And I say that not as a theory. I say that Obama in 2010 promoted me from a tier one asset to a national intelligence asset. So I was. He was in the loop on everything I was asked to do after that. So this isn't a theory. I was in the middle of it. That's what happened. Obama was creating a situation. So whoever was the president after 2016, he controlled.

[Matt Kibbe]

And your contention from the stage that Obama has been the ringleader of this? From beginning to end, he's the ringleader,

[Patrick Byrne]

but I think he himself. You know, it may be the case that he's an asset and Brennan's the ringleader, but the truth is I think both of them are tied into the WEF or tied into the globalists. There's a whole bunch of bad people who just want to overthrow the American republic, and they're tied into them.

[Matt Kibbe]

So let's jump to Venezuela, because this is part of the Story that we've certainly not talked about on camera before. And you presented this. How did you end up investigating voter fraud in Venezuela? Is that how you would characterize the project?

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, not voter fraud, election fraud. It isn't about voters committing fraud, it's about the whole system. Well, I really dug into the story of I was with 2020 and all this stuff that was immediately dismissed as impossible at first is actually true. And it begins with understanding that Venezuela has the world's largest oil supply, 500 billion barrels. And a mafia, a communist mafia took power in 1999 and they seized that, they nationalized the oil industry and then they've just looted Venezuela to the tune of three to four trillion dollars. They have looted. But if you're going to do that, the other thing you need to seize control of is the election system of Venezuela, which Is called the CNE. They did that in 04 and they ran a fake election using machines that they had a backdoor built in and they rigged their own election. Since then they've just rigged elections and stayed in power. So you can never vote them out. They always win just by a scooch, just by 2/10 of a percent. And it's all because it's all rigged. More importantly to us, they commercialized this package in a company called Smartmatic and then Smartmatic ended up spreading around the world to the US and to 71 other nations.

[Matt Kibbe]

When did Hugo Chavez take power?

[Patrick Byrne]

99. He tried a coup in 93, was defeated and he spent five years in jail. But it was actually Bill Clinton sent the CIA while the ambassador to Venezuela went and asked that he be removed. Pardoned. He was pardoned and ran for president and won. And then after that that was the last free election.

[Matt Kibbe]

So the. And this is all tech driven voting machine stuff.

[Patrick Byrne]

That's correct. The first one they did. There's a little joke in here. First one they did in 04 was a referendum and they sent these engineers over to find a way to have a computerized system that could be rigged. And they went over to Italy where they found a company called Olivetti. When I was a kid, Olivetti made typewriters. But by 03 Olivetti typewriter business was not so good. They had switched to making national lottery systems and far Bey. Well, let me tell a Ronald Reagan joke. Ronald Reagan's favorite joke was that it's a three part joke. How do you know? And he's told this publicly. Back then, part of me is a little bit non PC. Now the joke, three part joke. The first is, how do you know at a cockfight? You know what a cockfight is? How do you know if there's a Polish man at the cockfight? Because somebody enters a duck. How do you know there's an Irishman at the cockfight? Because somebody bets on the duck. But how do you know there's an Italian at the cockfight? The duck wins. Well, I guess I'm saying a national lottery system manufactured in Italy, the jokes write themselves. It of course has a backdoor. So whatever country buys that system, el presidente can make sure his neighbor's brother in law wins the election, wins the lottery. That system was brought to Venezuela and they ran the elections off it. They had a backdoor built into it, that undetectable back door. After that work, they rebuilt from the ground up their own system and spun it off as smartmatic.

[Matt Kibbe]

So you're, I think most people know you today as the leader of the band of dissidents that have fundamentally questioned the election outcome in 2020. Did your research intelligence operation exposing Venezuela and this system precede that, or was it after what came first?

[Patrick Byrne]

What came first was 2020 election. And then somebody in the intelligence community asked me to speak to some people who had information and then we talked to them. I quickly became aware of this whole story and then I started working with them to sort of really develop it and eventually get a bunch of people to defect who could share the whole story and tell the whole story.

[Matt Kibbe]

The Venezuelan system has been exported to, What'd you say, 73 countries?

[Patrick Byrne]

72 countries, yep.

[Matt Kibbe]

And that includes the U.S. yes, where

[Patrick Byrne]

we know it is Dominion Hard or ESNs, but basically those companies, just like when you buy a PC, whether it be Dell or HP or Lenovo, the inside is all Microsoft operating system. But whether you buy ESNs, Hart or Dominion, the operating system is this Venezuelan technology. And that through a series of licenses and corporate acquisitions and divestments and such, has ended up in all these three different systems.

[Matt Kibbe]

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[Matt Kibbe]

Why has there been. I know you've been working on this ever since. Why has there been no action that I know of at least in the Trump administration, if this stuff is in fact happening.

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, you did notice there's an. I'll tell you just what happened after the election. He comes to power in January. I had these people in the US By March. They were being. There was great opposition from the intelligence community against debriefing them. By June, however, they were getting debriefed. They were debriefed by 14 federal agents for two and a half months. It all turned into a report from Tulsi to Trump. He read it over Labor Day weekend last year and by Monday was asking for his options. And three or four weeks later, we had a United States Navy flotilla on its way to Venezuela as a direct result of this. But the great pushback going on within the government is from the CIA. And this is why the CIA knew about this since 2006. In 2009, Brennan and Obama started using it. They developed an NGO in Alexandria called CEPS C E P P S. It was staffed by George Soro's people. It was funded $5.9 billion of our tax money. And it spread the technology to 32 nations which then had their own hard left. They all lurched left after that. The CIA doesn't want any of that to come out, that they knew about this, that they got behind it and promoted it, and they really don't want it to come out that they were actually the ones behind 2020. A corrupt element within the CIA worked with Venezuela and they were behind 2020. They really don't want that to come out. That's even worse than the JFK assassination. They are fighting hook, line and sink or teeth, toes and fingernails against that coming out. So Tulsi wrote two reports. One says what I just told you that. Well, one says that the public can read or is going to be able to someday. That says we looked at these machines and these machines are vulnerable. The second report says everything I just set up on stage, that's the CIA does not want that to come out. So the CIA is fighting against Trump saying, look, we'll let you get away with fighting on the voter rolls. This. And the thing you're not. Do not get rid of these, these election machines. We're too. It's too powerful a weapon to have. But it's really. And you know, I think they're offering him bribes and I think they're offering him blackmail to try to force him not to fix the election machines. But he's got to fix. He's got to get rid of the election machines. But no it's all the, it's, this is all completely, by last summer, by this time last summer, this had been completely validated by Tulsi and her group, one of whom is actually right here wandering around watching and her, her Director's Initiative group. And they had the whole story. They sat interviewing for two and a half months, our Venezuelans, and learned everything, which is why he suddenly sent a navy float. When he sent that flotilla to Venezuela, it probably looked like it came out of left field. Wasn't out of left field at all. Once he read and understood what had happened, he said we have to. But I think he did a very half hearted measure in. I mean, who wants another Iraq, who wants another war? But this was an act of war against us that we, we can't possibly overlook. Yeah, it was a Cuban Venezuelan overthrow of the us. Cuba is the big brother to Venezuela and it was, they worked together on this for 25 years and in the background it's China and ultimately it's so Chinese to defeat your enemy without even firing a shot.

[Matt Kibbe]

So why, why won't he release it? I mean, obviously Tulsi was not allowed to before she left.

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, I think he's on the fence right now and there's a lot of forces trying to get him not to release it, but there's a lot of he wants to release it. And I think that ultimately in the weeks ahead, well, it's all going to come down to, I think that you'll see like in this month, I'm hoping you will see it all released about these machines. But they have it all. And one of the reasons I'm talking publicly is I want to make it more and more difficult for them to try to sweep this part of things under the rug.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, I mean to call this a bombshell is, seems wildly inadequate. You're basically telling the American people that democracy is a fraud.

[Patrick Byrne]

Democracy is a fraud. Has been for 20 years, as I mentioned from the stage, one of the most dramatic moments in my life. Flynn flew over to Switzerland to meet with these people. Before we went in, I said, General, what you hear is going to make you really angry, but please, let's be cool, don't get angry at these people. I've convinced them to defect, etc. He says, of course, Patrick, I've interviewed thousands of people. Of course, of course. He went and interviewed them for 90 minutes. He's very technical, you know, he's got a couple master's degrees in telecom and such. Very technical. Interviewed them, they've got their Venezuelan government IDs. They got the equipment set up. They showed that we can make these machines spit out any answer we want. After about 90 minutes, he was satisfied. We were about to leave and I said to one of the Venezuelan, the lead engineer, tell the general how much this has gone on. The guy gulped and said, general, we've been flipping elections for 20 years in 22, in 72 nations.

[Matt Kibbe]

Wow.

[Patrick Byrne]

And I just saw Flynn. For just an instant, I felt so bad for him because for just an instant, I could see what he was thinking. He'd given 35 years of his life to defending our country. And he realized they came at us in a way, a vector we didn't know about. So I am a peace guy. I like peace. You like peace. This is why Trump is saying this stuff about, he said on July 4, this is an attack on our nation. That's the worst thing since 1776. It's worse than Pearl harbor, this and that. This is this communist overthrow, but this is all part of it. And it's true. This is the greatest act of war against the United States in history.

[Matt Kibbe]

So your entire background gives you some credible expertise on voting technology. You've worked on these things long before 2015. But you said on stage something that I hadn't heard before, that Elon Musk and his team had stress tested your theory. And what did they conclude?

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, my Venezuelan, after He got around October 10th, he got it. My Venezuelan partner, Martin Rodil, got into Mar A Lago and spent three days briefing everybody till everyone was like, this sounds so crazy, but we can't. And Trump said, send him out to Elon. Martin went out to Elon, spent a day briefing him. The next morning, Elon had his technicians get on a zoom call with my Venezuelans in a safe house in Switzerland, interviewed them, and that afternoon he jumped on a jet and flew up to Butler, Penn. About October 20, 2024, remember, he suddenly went up to Pennsylvania, began campaigning with Trump and saying, like, it's the end of civilization if we don't win this, and blah, blah, blah. That's because that morning he'd become convinced that I was right about all this.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, you say Butler, Pennsylvania. Was this the assassination attempt? Butler?

[Patrick Byrne]

No, there was the assassination attempt. Butler. Then a few months later, Trump went back to Butler on a campaign about two weeks before the election. Do you remember? And do you remember two weeks before the election, Elon flew up to Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania and join Trump? Yeah, it was that afternoon that he did that. That morning he'd been on the zoom call with the guys in Venezuela. And that's why he started campaigning and saying, this is the end of civilization. We need to win this.

[Matt Kibbe]

Has he talked publicly about this at all?

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, he didn't, but he did send some text messages to his girlfriend on the day of the election saying, you're going to see 10,000 space lasers come in and blah, blah, blah. That was a metaphor. The 10,000 space lasers, where he knew that there was going to be an offensive cyber attack against a place in Belgrade, Serbia, that actually determines the elections. And in a sense, we were the 10,000 space lasers. But the only thing he had said publicly. Well, he said privately to his girlfriend about this. If you look at those texts, those texts were about 10,000 space lasers are going to disrupt. They're going to try to steal. Steal it, but they don't understand. 10,000 space lasers are going to kick in and disrupt their ability to steal it. They don't see this coming. He's talking about what I just explained from the stage.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. So who hacked the hackers?

[Patrick Byrne]

Well, we hacked. We got all the information, and we were set up to do something about it. That's what I mentioned. I actually had a deal with Albanian mafia. For a million dollars. They would have firebombed the building on the morning of the election. But, Martine, after Elon went up and vouched to Trump, some calls were made, and my partner was sent into the Pentagon, the Cyber Command, and turned everything over. And then on election day, Cyber Command hacked this building in Belgrade, Serbia, and smoked. I heard they, like, melted down the computers and an offensive cyber attack. And that's the only reason we did not get Kamala Harris as victor.

[Matt Kibbe]

So was this election a clean election?

[Patrick Byrne]

We're not anywhere close to a clean election because this Belgrade, Serbia solution is the 15th way of cheating. They have. They have 14 ways that are on the ground, and then the 15th, they jam through from Serbia. So, no, they still had all the ways on the ground of cheating. We're not anywhere close. The voter rolls are probably 28% dirty. That's our measurement from all the different lawsuits and everything. 28% of the people in the voting roll are fictitious or illegal. It doesn't really matter whether the illegals themselves vote or not, because votes get submitted for them. See, before you stuff the ballot box, you need to stuff the voter rolls. So. So they stuff the voter rolls. Then they have all these different ways of stuffing the ballot box. Through mail, through military, you know, but it's. So the. But the voter rolls are very are basically third world in our country there's about a 28% discrepancy and then there's all kinds of other things that happen. But it starts with the voter rolls.

[Matt Kibbe]

Can democracy be saved?

[Patrick Byrne]

Yeah, I think it takes a national emergency order from Trump in the next few weeks he should reveal this stuff that I'm telling about the computers we clean up. Hermeet has been Dylan at the DOJ has been trying to get the voter rolls cleaned up. Some states are just refusing. They're just telling the DOJ you can't look at our voter rolls. They'll turn over the voter rolls to any half assed George Soros ngo but they will not comply with a DOJ subpoena to turn over the letter to turn over the voter. That may make you suspicious. So we need some kind of order that breaks through it all. You got to clean up the voter rolls and you got to run an old fashioned election without machines, without machinery. The way we teach Burma to run election we need one election like that. We would find our country is far more Republican and there's very little support for this communist drift left that we're having. It's all being driven through corrupt elections.

[Matt Kibbe]

So it's the only, the closest we could get to a clean election would be an old fashioned paper ballot.

[Patrick Byrne]

One man, one vote and you have an id, you have a purple pot and most important, very importantly, you count the ballots publicly, transparently there where they are cast. You don't mail what's your mailing ballots? The security around the mail supply chain. It's the reason we can't mail cash because it's not really doesn't have much integrity. Well you shouldn't be mailing ballots either and for the same reason you don't want to be voting and then having all the ballots put in the trunk of somebody's car and driven to county to be counted. There's no integrity in that system. You want to have them counted transparently at the precinct level. This is how we teach countries to do it all over the world. We just don't do it ourselves.

[Matt Kibbe]

So I don't want to run you into the ground but sort of two last questions. One is your relationship friendship with General Michael Flynn and two is the book and the docuseries that lays all of I have the docu series earmarked but I haven't watched it yet. Does that tell this story?

[Patrick Byrne]

No, this all covers the years up to 2020, up to this famous meeting in the White House where we kind of Snuck into the White House and Caught Trump on December 18, 2020 in the White House and tried to convince him to do what needed to be done. And he got talked out of it after we left. That's what that covers up to. What I've just explained to you is what we did in the last five years. So I maybe have one, one more book left in me before I ride off into the sunset.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. When did you first connect with Mike Flynn?

[Patrick Byrne]

September of 2020.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah.

[Patrick Byrne]

We had, oddly enough, we had a mutual person that was a mentor to him that was also a mentor to me. So I knew about him since 2010, maybe even earlier, but it was. It was 20. We met face to face. September 2020.

[Matt Kibbe]

Am I going to get sued or disappeared for talking to you?

[Patrick Byrne]

No, I think we have them on their heels.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah.

[Patrick Byrne]

And the strategy is the more public we make this, the more difficult it is for them. There's a woman named Emerald Robinson. There's also Alex Jones. I've been on their shows in the last year telling bits and pieces of this story. I'm now coming out very coherently and telling the whole thing.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah. Your presentation was quite crisp and to the point.

[Patrick Byrne]

Thank you.

[Matt Kibbe]

Perhaps because the ticker was running in you or under the gun.

[Patrick Byrne]

Yeah, in a number of ways.

[Matt Kibbe]

Where I'm going to let you get some rest, but where can people find any of this, your book? I don't know if you have a substack.

[Host Announcer]

Where do.

[Matt Kibbe]

Where do you tell this story?

[Patrick Byrne]

I go to my Twitter. I do have a substack recently. We got it, but I'm just starting to populate it. So go to my, my Twitter feed basically to get this and you'll find a bunch of interviews with me and Alex Jones or Emerald Robinson where these stories have been told.

[Matt Kibbe]

And the documentary series is called Enemy

[Patrick Byrne]

within and it's on Amazon Prime. Enemy with the Enemy Within. There's a few with that title. This is a three part three episode, 45 minutes per episode. And Michael Flynn made it.

[Matt Kibbe]

Okay. When, when this comes out, the comments are going to be wild.

[Patrick Byrne]

Okay.

[Matt Kibbe]

I'm going to let you know when it comes out and I'm going to ask you to come to YouTube to engage.

[Patrick Byrne]

I'll have the audience.

[Matt Kibbe]

Awesome.

[Patrick Byrne]

I'll happily do so.

[Matt Kibbe]

Okay. Patrick.

[Patrick Byrne]

By then maybe Trump will come out with the truth.

[Matt Kibbe]

Yeah, maybe. Thank you, sir.

[Patrick Byrne]

Thank you, Matt. Good to see you again, sir. Yeah. I love your show. I watch it whenever I can. And you're. I congratulate you on being the libertarian with the backbone who stood up during the the Bezmanov overthrow that we just faced.

[Matt Kibbe]

Thank you.

[Patrick Byrne]

Thank you.

[Matt Kibbe]

Okay, thanks for watching.

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