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Ep 397 | Kids Should Learn About American Exceptionalism | Guest: Kelley Paul
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Matt Kibbe is joined by Kelley Paul, wife of Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and the author of a new series of children's books designed to teach kids about what makes America special.
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Welcome to Kibbe on Liberty. I'm talking to Kelly Paul about her new series of children's books that celebrate America's 250th birthday and remind young people, unlike government schools, that America is awesome because of the idea that you don't work for the government. Check it out. Welcome to kibby on liberty. Kelly, how are you?
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I'm great. Great to be with you, Matt.
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I feel like we were just hanging out together at Freedom Fest a couple
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B
days ago as we were. Had a great time.
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You and Rand were there and you. I want to start with this and maybe we'll talk a little bit about what happened at Freedom Fest. But you gave. You were part of this main stage panel, I think, about American exceptionalism or American values, something like that. And you told this amazing story about your grandmother and. And I don't want that to go away. So if you would, if you don't mind. Catching you off guard here, but tell that story because it's beautiful.
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Sure. Thanks. Yeah, I was very close to my grandmother. She was an Irish immigrant. She came to this country in 1929 from Ireland all by herself. 19 years old, she fled extreme poverty in Ireland as there was there at the time. Her dad had been gassed in World War I with mustard gas and was an invalid. She had two younger siblings. She had to quit school at 12 to go to work as a maid. So she. When I think of her as a child maid at 12 in Ireland to put food on the table, you know, it breaks my heart. But I also think of the woman I knew and how feisty and gutsy and determined she always was. And she would tell me, she said, I found out I had an aunt in New York City, a distant aunt. I don't know, it was some cousin's aunt or something. But she started writing letters to her. Her name was Nora and she was a laundress. So not a person of means either. Another poor Irish immigrant. And Nora saved money for seven years to buy my grandmother a third class ticket on the Adriatic. And my grandmother, which was part of the White Star line, which I'm sure everybody's seen the Titanic, I'm sure you have, where all the Irish immigrants are in the bows of the ship. And my grandmother loved to tell me about that journey. She would always say, I had a sponsor, don't you know, Kelly, I was not in steerage with the rabble. We had gay dances and parties in third class. And my mom and I used to tease Grandma because we're like, you sound more Like a movie star or an heiress on that ship. But that's the way she always viewed herself. So whatever her circumstances, no matter how hard, she viewed herself as someone who was worthy of dignity, worthy of the best things to happen to her. She was a huge optimist and she always viewed everything that happened to her in a rosy light. So she got to New York and like many young Irish girls, she immediately went to work as a maid. Her first job was as a live in maid for the founders of the Saks fifth Avenue stores. And she worked there for several years. And she worked for two other wealthy, very wealthy ladies in New York for decades. So in talking at freedomfest about American exceptionalism, I say, you know, we think about all of the great doers, like an Elon Musk immigrant. But then I think of my grandmother, who was also a doer. I mean, she cleaned and tidied and beautified and she always worked hard and was proud of her role. Raised an amazing family, including my mother, and was an amazing grandmother to me. She was always so positive every time she came back from New York to visit us down in Kentucky. She always brought me things from the wealthy ladies that she worked for. And this is what I mentioned on the stage. And just this the way she always was, she never viewed herself as less than. She wasn't a real envious person, even though the people she worked with had everything. And she always brought back a lot of costume jewelry and purses and things that these ladies would give her after they were tired of them. And when I was 15, she gave me this absolutely beautiful evening purse. And it's heavy crystal beads and it's got pearls inside. It's just beautiful. And I was just like amazed when she gave it to me. I was 15 and she said, I want you to have this because I know you're going to take it lots of wonderful places one day. I feel it. And I would take it occasionally to fancy things, but never took it anywhere for several years until Rand was elected to the senate. And the first time that we were invited to the White House Christmas party, I carried that little purse. And I will never forget walking into the White House for the first time. It's pretty awe inspiring. The marine band was playing. It was a Christmas party, so the trees were all lit up. So I just stood there and took a breath and thought, I can't believe I'm here. And I just glanced down at that little purse, that little cast off evening purse, and I knew that my grandmother was smiling and I could Feel her smiling because she believed that with optimism and hard work, anything can happen in this country.
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The metaphor of the journey of your grandmother in that purse is the American story, I think. And that's why I love that story so much. And there is something today, and I know Rand talks about this as well, there's a difference between immigrants that choose America for American values, and they go through the process legally and they come here to work and be part of that process. And I heard a bunch of stories at Freedom Fest of parents and grandparents that wouldn't even allow their children to speak wherever they're from. Maybe they're from Poland or wherever. I believe the story was Polish immigrants. And there's a difference between that and the mass importation, particularly of refugees. And we won't get into a conversation about foreign policy that creates those refugees, but there is something different about it. As someone that believes in legal immigration,
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I think the difference is unity. My grandparents, because I also had a Swedish immigrant great grandfather, they came here to be part of America. They were thrilled to be Americans. My great grandfather, whose name was Thor, Thor Wessel, he immediately changed his name to Al. His middle name was Albert. And he never. He thought Thor was too weird, too Swedish. He did not allow my grandfather to speak any Swedish in the house. They wanted to be Americans and they wanted to contribute to the American dream. My grandfather also had to quit school in the eighth grade and he worked and built the Holland Tunnel. You know, he just was such a proud American. When I see people waving the flags of the countries that they took refuge from and demanding to speak that language and, you know, perpetuate that culture with their children, I feel like that's, that's bad for America. I feel like we need unity as Americans and this diversity that is constantly being pushed on us has a tendency to make us weaker and not stronger.
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Yeah, we made a film. I don't know if you've seen it, but we made a film about a Cuban born artist named Carlos Luna. And Carlos and Claudia are now very good friends of Terry's and mine. And, you know, he also went through this hero's journey, just like your grandmother. He had to leave Cuba when he was still a teenager because his grandmother told him, you can't be an artist in this country. So when we import someone like Carlos, he's more American than most Americans I know. He understands American exceptionalism. He understands the idea of America. He's proud of his struggle and even the price he paid to be an American. And that part we want, we Definitely want that. So you were there primarily talking about these two books that are standing right in front of us speaking of American exceptionalism. And I want to talk about those. And maybe a good jumping off point was that panel that I did with Rand about the COVID cover up. And on the bright side, if there is a bright side, all of that stuff that Rand was attacked for, for all those years, for questioning Anthony Fauci, for questioning the rule of experts, I think we all know that that was true now. I think most Americans, even the ones that won't admit it publicly because they bought into it, I think we've finally gotten some acknowledgement from lockdown America that that was a disaster. But the upside that I've always talked about during lockdowns was in education. And so many parents, and not just moms, but a lot of moms, because of school lockdowns, got to see curriculums, I think, for the very first time. And they were shocked. And so many of them were shocked that they opted out of government schools altogether and started creating their own curriculums. And they were doing either homeschooling or pod schooling or figuring out ways for their neighbors that they could keep their kids out of that regimented indoctrination that they discovered was happening at their local grade school. Yeah, and that's where your project, I feel, falls in. Because I think more and more parents are realizing that we don't know exactly when it happened. I mean, you could go all the way back to the Progressive era, but somewhere along the way, we stopped teaching young people about the idea of America and American history and the reasons that we think we're special. There's a reason we're patriots is because it's not because necessarily of the piece of dirt we live on. It's the idea that the founders brought to us. And was that your inspiration for writing these books?
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It was. You know, as we approached America 250, I was very nostalgic for America 200. I was 12 years old that summer, and I just remember how excited I was to be part of the bicentennial. And this was how quaint I guess things were back in 1976. But my little town of Russellville, we all had 1776 outfits, handmade, right? This is before you could order stuff on Amazon. I had a pinafore. I had a little bonnet. So did my mother, all my friends for months before we had a parade in our little town. We had a little. We had plays. We just really got into it. And I felt as a little girl that I was part of this grand story, like the story of America. I was part of these noble and great and daring patriots who had done these things. And I feel like a lot of people felt the same way back then. And of course it was a simpler time. We all watched the same television. There was again more unity. But there was definitely pride in figures like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin and just deep admiration and gratitude for what America stood for in the world. And I last summer was talking to my daughter in law. We have a little grandson. He's 20 months now. Last summer he was only six, seven months. And my daughter in law had said to me over dinner, she's like, I feel like I'm not seeing any patriotic books for babies or toddlers. I'm not seeing this. Everything if you go to the library, everything's just sort of know indoctrination already for six months old. And she's like, you should write one. You should write a patriotic book for America's 250. Literally. That's how they started. And that night we played around with names and I came up with Good night little American. And then so it's for babies and toddlers and then Good night Young American is for ages 4 to 8 and it's a more involved story of America's founding.
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Oh yeah, that was a good one.
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Well, Rand was sitting there, which is why I was poking at him because he happens to be one of the few that are well aware of America's founding principles. But would you suggest for people watching this if they want to educate their congressmen, should we start with Little American, keep it simple or are they going to be able to comprehend at the
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10 year old, comprehend the 4 to 8 year old. This is a story. Storybook. Our little Hero. He falls asleep on the fourth of July, celebrating with his parents. He's asking what it's all about, and then he dreams all of American Revolutionary War history.
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So tell me you told a bunch of these stories at Freedom Fest, but tell me you had to, like. I would argue that writing a book like this is in a thousand ways more difficult than writing an actual book on American history, because you have to distill all of those facts, and you have to choose which stories are compelling, that sort of represent those core values. So, first of all, I'm impressed. I don't think I could do that. I'm more verbose than that. Was it Mark Twain that famously said, I would have written a shorter letter, but I didn't have time?
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Yeah, that's a good one. It's all about editing.
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Yeah. There is something to. To the clarity of these books. Tell some of those stories. And how did you decide which stories?
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Well, I tried to think of it from the perspective of a little boy and what their little boys, you know, because my hero is a little boy. And I was like, what would my kids have been most interested in? But I think, obviously this book is exciting for girls as well, because he's got his dog, and I wanted the most visual things. Right. Young children are very visual. And if you think about it, our revolutionary story is incredibly exciting. Right. I mean, you've got the Boston Tea Party, for one thing. I mean, just what. What country's history has a bunch of, you know, patriots meeting in secret at the Green Dragon Tavern and coming up with a plan and calling themselves the Sons of Liberty? It's just so cool. Right? And then disguising some of them disguise themselves as Native Americans and throw. Threw the tee off. So I definitely knew I would have that. But of course, it starts earlier than that. Right. He's up in the spyglass. He's coming over on the Mayflower. He's a pilgrim. He's having to survive a cold winter. First Thanksgiving is there, of course. Then the midnight ride with Paul Revere. Imagine, from a child's perspective, you're being tasked with putting these lanterns in the top of a church tower, and you're riding through, you know, in the dark of night to warn people that the British are coming, and they're coming over in rowboats, and you've got to get to Lexington and Concord. So I definitely had all of those moments, the. The ones that were a little more challenging, like, how do you talk about writing the Declaration of Independence? Right. So my character, he makes friends with Everyone. So he's friends with Thomas Jefferson, and he describes from a child's perspective. But if you think about it, these concepts are very simple, right? We all have inherent rights. We all have inherent rights given to us not by a king, not by a government, but by God, by our creator. And so he says, you know, this is. We're going to start a whole new country based on the idea that the king can't tell us what to do and that our government will be by the people. But to make it more visual, we have the Liberty Bell. So he runs up and he's swinging on the Liberty Bell. I have great artist Marika Mona say, who did the illustrations, and she's, you know, I said, make him make it very active, right? So you've got Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, you got Ben Franklin. You've got all the figures around the paper. But then he's up in the bell tower swinging on the Liberty Bell. And I. Ben Franklin is one of my favorite of our founders. And, you know, maybe because Rand's an ophthalmologist and he invented the bifocals, but I just love his curiosity. I loved his humor. So I've got. My little character is flying the kite with Ben Franklin and doing experiments on electricity. Then we're back to the Constitutional Convention, and, you know, my little character is just talking about free speech. Speech, Right, The Bill of Rights. What is the most important thing in our new country is that we are going to be able to say whatever we want and no government can stop us. So I think those are things that children can understand, and I hope it will spark conversations with their parents. Like, oh, you mean some places, you know, you can say something and you get arrested or you're not allowed to say certain things. And that's what I want children to really take in from a very young age of a pride in their country that we were the first to really ever do that. As a matter of fact, when I talk about these books, I came away saying, I think our founders are the original civil rights heroes. I mean, they were the first to take Enlightenment ideas that our rights come from a creator and not from any king, which at that point were just philosophy, we're just writings and say, no, we're going to put this into action. We're going to create a whole government out of this. Which was a radical idea at the time. Right. Everyone accepted the divine right of kings. Everyone accepted hereditary rule. They were radicals in what they did, and they risked so much for it. Right?
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Yeah. It's Ironic that Britain, who we declared independence from, has certainly forgotten about free speech as a principle. Obviously, it was never enshrined there as it is here. But some of that's bleeding over here. And I think probably be pretty essential to remind young people that free speech is not up for negotiation.
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Absolutely. I mean, let's just go back a few short years during COVID as you mentioned. I mean, Rand was thrown off of YouTube for saying true facts about COVID Right. That natural immunity was a thing that, you know, masks did not stop the spread of a micro virus. This, you know, and he was thrown off YouTube for misinformation. And then later we found out through the Twitter files and all these things that the United States government was, you know, wielding force against the social media companies and forcing them to. To silence people.
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You know, as it turns out, the one video that got us a strike on YouTube and was taken down was a conversation I was having with Rand's father, Dr. Ron Paul, because as a doctor, he knew, like, immediately that masks were nonsense.
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Yeah.
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And as he does, he went off on a beautiful rant about. About masks. And this would have been like, maybe even the spring of 2020. YouTube did not allow that.
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No, no. Oh, they were huge mask Covidians. I mean, and what. To me, the mask is all about a symbol. It makes you fearful when you see everyone wearing a mask. You were afraid, and then you were more able to control people when they're afraid. Because again, Fauci himself said masks don't work. In his private email. We revealed that early on, but the media just kind of, oh, well, you know, now he's saying they do. I mean, he literally told a friend, I don't know if you seen that email where someone asked his advice early on about wearing one. He said, absolutely not. A mask is not going to stop a virus. And I would have all these conversations with people who were so adamant, they're like, well, Kelly, surely it could be better than nothing. I'm like, no, it's really not. Well, why do surgeons wear them? I'm like, because there's blood and spatter and everything else. And also, masks will stop a lot of bacteria, but a virus is 10 times smaller than smallest bacteria. A virus is unstoppable unless you have an N95. And even there, you have to throw them away after about an hour and a half because the moisture in your breath will break down that electrostatic charge inside. So it was all a sham. It was all a sham designed to in. Strike. To strike fear and Control.
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There was more wisdom in crowds than there was from our experts. And this is something that I get out of your book that I sort of obsess with, with the telling of the founding of America and the idea of America and the spirit of 76. And many of your characters are not just Ben Franklin, not just George Washington, not just Thomas Jefferson, because, you know, we speak with great reverence of the founding fathers. And it almost suggests that we just got lucky that there happened to be these smart guys in positions of authority that were going to impose this radical idea. But I think it was more bottom up than that. I mean, you talk about Paul Revere, you talk about Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty. Those values, those moral values pervaded colonial culture. Not everybody, but the, the people that were in the streets, the people that were taking action, the people that were pushing for not only independence, but this big idea. I think that's important to teach young people as well. Like you have both the responsibility and the opportunity to exemplify these values. It's not something you don't have to wait for your president or a senator or congressman to do it for you.
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Yes, that is very true. It was. A lot of them were just ordinary people again. They had everything to lose though, because, you know, we think our politics are polarized now. A third of the colonists were loyal to the crown and were loyalists. So there they were definitely taking a huge risk, which I think is just an astonishing thing, right, that you were going to go up against the mightiest empire in the world at that time. It's pretty amazing stuff
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Right.
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Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff.
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Right, Right.
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I want to go back to. As you're talking about dressing up for the bicentennial, you remind me that I did, too. And I think I was like a Cub Scout or something. And my mom made me, like, a colonial uniform or something. And maybe it's just the eyeballs of a very young person, but it didn't seem so controversial or partisan back then.
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No.
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And 250 became like this partisan football.
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I know, and I hate that because, again, just like you having lived through the bicentennial and how I just keep going back to unity, I felt like everyone was excited about America and proud and proud of our heritage, proud of our legacy. That there was, if there was anything that everyone would agree on, was that our founders were amazing. And remember, this was post Vietnam malaise. The economy was bad. I mean, it's not like America was in a great spot in 76, but for that summer, I feel like the whole country just kind of came together and said, hey, we are unique in the world and our history is unique in the world, and we need to celebrate again. I point to it being such a different time in terms of now. We all get our media from so many different places. I feel like we're very siloed. There's polarizing factions, and so maybe we can never go back to that again. I don't know.
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I have this friend who has been an iconic presence in the libertarian movement, a guy named Dan Grossman, and he just passed away, but we had the opportunity to interview him before that. And I asked him, like, why are we so divided today? And he's someone that grew up in the 60s and 70s as well. I'm thinking about the context for the bicentennial might have been worse back then. That was his take. He's like, yeah, it feels like we're really at war with each other now. But you didn't grow up in the late 60s. It was pretty bad back then as well. So maybe it's not Americans that are so divided. Maybe it's just a D.C. problem. Because I feel like we've gotten more and more fixated with who sits on the throne.
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Yeah.
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Contrary to all of these principles, and every four years we're told this is the most important election of our lifetime. And if we don't win, the other tribe is going to reign over us. When did we lose that sense that, you know, it shouldn't really matter so much who's in charge in Washington, D.C. because we govern our communities and our families and we have all these responsibilities and freedoms for ourselves? I guess it's been a gradual loss.
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Yeah, I think you're right. One of the things that I think back to Covid did teach us and something that I talk to audiences about all the time, is you don't realize how important that mayor's office is, that city council, that school board. Covid showed us that. Right. So there were communities that said, we're not going to do this. There weren't a lot of them. But, you know, in some of the places where there were really draconian governors like my state that tried to shut everything down, we had a really strong super majority Republican in the state legislature, and they checked his power and said, no, you don't have to show papers to leave the state or you're not going to be arrested for going to church on Easter Sunday. I mean, these kinds of things were checked by our state government. But I read a lot of articles about towns where mayors were really, I think, heroic, saying, no, we're not going to put, you know, police tape on the park and tell people they can't get outside. So I think that state and local government is super important.
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I'm old enough to remember when the Biden administration wanted to categorize parents going to school school board meetings as domestic terrorists. And I think, as I recall, they were mostly showing up to complain about curriculums. And, you know, this is probably ultimately the trap of government controlled schools. They think they know better what's good for your children than you do to the point where they're going to arrest you for absolutely questioning authority.
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Yeah, no, that was a low point. That was a Nader. I mean, I was so down during those years. And when that was happening, I was like, look at this. The FBI is silencing parents for going to speak if they don't want transgender, you know, if they don't want biological males in their daughter's bathroom, which is what the big thing was in Virginia where that dad got arrested and his daughter was sexually molested by a male student who was in a skirt claiming to be female. And he couldn't even express his outrage over this policy without being labeled a domestic terrorist. That's not American.
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Yeah. And I'm trying to bring this full circle, thinking about the spirit of 76 and driving up these values from the bottom family to family, neighbor to neighborhood, community to community, holding your leaders accountable. Because I really do believe that the founders could not have accomplished and might not have wanted to accomplish as much if they didn't have the support of the citizens. And maybe it's not the case that we should spend all of our time trying to convince tyrannical school boards to stop teaching and doing bad things and maybe we should just create our own curriculum.
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Yeah, well, you know, a lot of people are doing that, right? A lot of people at Freedom Fest, homeschool movement is taking off. People are doing pods where they're maybe not want to take on the whole homeschool thing themselves, but they're, you know, working with other people and getting groups of kids together. So say if someone is, you know, able to teach a more complicated math, then they can teach a variety of kids. But I think people are starting to look at, we're kind of institutionalizing kids, right? They get there at 8:30 in the morning or whatever and they're there till 3:30. And how much of that time are they really learning and how much of the time are they just sort of being, you know, getting in line and spending time doing things all day that aren't necessarily that enriching to them? So. So I think people are looking at it from a different lens now. And I think that's good. I think that's good. I think that's maybe the silver lining of COVID is people really did see some of the terrible stuff. It's terrible stuff in the curriculums. I mean, I mentioned in my remarks at Freedom Fest, if you look at the top 10 non presidential Americans that students would list back in the 80s, it was people like Benjamin Franklin couldn't list a president or a first lady, but they would list Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison, the Wright brothers, and then fast forward to the early 2000s and this Stanford historian. It was like all of a sudden it was only civil rights heroes. It was Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, all great people. But again, Oprah Winfrey had even supplanted Paul Revere and was ahead of Ben Franklin. I told Rand, Amelia Earhart made the list. The poor bright brothers who invented the plane were not on there. So it's like it's only seen, you know, this oppressor versus oppressed, this first woman, everything. And the guys that did these amazing things are now kind of being thrown off the list as not worthy or only being viewed in one context. Right. They're only viewed as colonizers, enslavers, all this negativity, you know, Dead white males. We don't need to hear any more about them. And I think that is a terrible shame. I really do.
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And it buries that fundamental idea that we don't work for the king, the government works for us, which was that radical idea.
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Right.
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And so I take it from the reception at your book signing at Freedom Fest that. That things are going pretty well. People are excited to have this kind of book to replace whatever nonsense they might be getting.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm super excited. The first day. Goodnight Young American sold out on Amazon and they had to get more from my publisher. So they're selling well and I'm getting great feedback from people and it's just been really fun for me to share them. All kinds of different venues. So I flew back from Freedom Festival Thursday night and I was at a library in Bardstown, Kentucky on Friday at 2 o' clock and had all these great little kids that I got to read the books to. And it's. It's just exciting. It's exciting to see them be engaged and interested in America's story.
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I hear there's good bourbon in Bardstown as well.
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B
I didn't get any. I was doing a library.
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Trust me. My entire geography is based on. On Elf, Kentucky is where do they make the best bourbon. Are you doing other school events?
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I am doing quite a few libraries. I haven't been invited to any schools yet, but I have done. I've got quite a few library readings on my list and some various civic groups are kind of pulling together like little book parties and I'll be reading those. And next Monday I'm going to be at the MAHA Action Event here in D.C. nice.
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And you said Amazon, where's the best place to get these books if people want to get them?
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So they're on all the online places, Barnes and Noble online and in stores. I think they're at books a million Christianbook.com has them. Yeah, everywhere books are sold, as they say.
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So we don't have to buy from Jeff Bezos us.
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B
You don't. You do not.
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Awesome. This is fun. Thank you.
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B
Thank you, Matt.
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