Chapter 5: The Zodiac Motel

Summary

Killer In The Code – Chapter 5: The Zodiac Motel

Host: Michael Connelly
Air Date: January 15, 2026

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Overview:

In this gripping episode, Michael Connelly and the investigative team follow Alex Baber as he explores a breakthrough lead in the infamous Black Dahlia case: the possible discovery of the “murder room” where Elizabeth Short met her end—at the once-operational Zodiac Motel. Along the way, astonishing links are drawn between the unsolved Black Dahlia and Zodiac killer cases, converging on one suspect, Marvin Margolis (aka Marvin Merrill). The episode traverses forensic details, cryptographic revelations, and on-the-ground investigations, offering the most tantalizing theory yet about two of America’s legendary cold cases.

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Main Discussion Points & Investigative Insights

1. Elizabeth Short’s Murder and the Elusive Crime Scene

• Introduction to the mystery: The police’s historical fixation on finding the “murder room” where Elizabeth Short was killed and bisected (02:12–03:00).
• The challenge: Despite exhaustive investigation, the site was never found—until Baber’s recent work may have led to its identification (03:04).

2. Cryptographic Breakthrough: The Zodiac Connection

• Alex Baber’s code-breaking:
  • Employing AI and cryptography, Baber spent months trying to solve the Zodiac’s “unbreakable” Z13 cipher, which supposedly contained the killer’s name (03:29–03:56).
  • Baber’s solution: “Marvin Merrill” reveals itself as an alias of Marvin Margolis, a principal suspect in the Black Dahlia case (04:04).

“In a solution that has now been independently confirmed by some of the top cryptographers in the world, Baber came up with the name Marvin Merrill...”
—Michael Connelly (04:06)

• The Elizabeth sketch:
  • In Margolis’s final year, he drew a nude sketch titled “Elizabeth,” eerily reminiscent of Short’s autopsy and with the word “Zodiac” hidden in its graphite shading (04:33–05:14).
• Forensic confirmation:
  • Forensic analyst George Riis confirmed the word “Zodiac” was intentionally hidden in the art, added after the initial drawing with pencil (05:54–06:16).
  • The sketch also features accent lines matching wounds from Short’s autopsy.
  • A second sketch backing “Elizabeth” depicted Ross Perot neckties, dating the artwork to Margolis’s last year (06:45–07:15).

3. Independent Validation of the Suspect’s Name in Zodiac Ciphers

• Expanded cryptographic analysis:
  • International researchers, using Baber’s method, applied it to the Zodiac’s Z18 cipher and—independently—found “Marvin Merrill” encrypted there as well.
  • Ed Giorgio, ex-NSA chief codebreaker, affirms the cumulative findings:

“It is certainly getting solid by the day...when you look at the combination of two cipher messages, one name, one keyword Elizabeth, one encryption method, and the potential keyword Sherry Jo… the evidence went from likely to very likely to very, very likely to almost beyond a shadow of a doubt likely.”
—Ed Giorgio (08:39–09:55)

• Further confirmation:
  • Paul Brookbanks (Australia) independently validated Baber’s solution to the Zodiac's Z32 cipher, which plots out a path to Mountain View Cemetery—Elizabeth Short’s burial site (09:57–10:34):

“You know, two people on different sides of the world come up the same solution. That's good validation. You know, it's a reasonable suggest that this is the correct solution and a really compelling solution.”
—Paul Brookbanks (10:34)

4. Revisiting the Crime Scene: The Investigation at the Zodiac Motel

• Historical police efforts:
  • LAPD prioritized finding the murder room, chasing leads about a bathtub—where Short’s body was believed bisected and meticulously washed (12:22).
  • Multiple independent motel operators reported a nervous young man repeatedly asking for a room with a bathtub on the night of the murder (14:13–14:30).
  • Descriptions matched Margolis’s age and appearance precisely (15:21–15:40).

“All the accounts were between 21 and 23 years of age and Marvin's right in the middle of it...for them to independently give this same age range across the board is very compelling to us.”
—Alex Baber (15:48)

• Possible abduction sighting:

  • A DMV investigator saw what she believed was a woman struggling in a black sedan on the night of the murder—possibly Elizabeth Short, with Margolis and apparent accomplices (16:20–16:51).

• Mapping the Motels:

  • By tracing the locations of the reported motels, Baber discovered a June 1946 ad for the Zodiac Motel, offering one-bedroom bungalows with baths—right along the suspected route (17:45–18:00):

“That was one of those moments is what we refer to as a ha moment...I knew then that this was the location Elizabeth Short was murdered at.”
—Alex Baber (18:00)

• Site exploration:
  • Baber and team visit the Zodiac Motel site, now a converted set of apartments (19:06–19:27).
  • While the current bathrooms lack bathtubs, evidence of a remodelling was found—a repurposed “bathtub space” now serving as a kitchen nook, fitting postwar renovation trends (20:49–21:44).

5. Final Impressions and Reflections at the Zodiac Motel

• Atmosphere of the scene:
  • Despite modern renovations, the place evokes a somber, haunted feeling for the investigative team (21:44–22:10):

“It's a bit eerie of course, to think that anytime you think that somebody lost their life at a location is sort of hollowed ground.”
—Investigator/Resident (21:59)

• Connelly’s closing sentiment:
  • The team concurs that, while direct proof is elusive, the overlap of names, cryptic codes, and physical evidence around the Zodiac Motel is a coincidence that “cannot be easily dismissed.” (18:52–19:06)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• Michael Connelly (on the Black Dahlia case’s legacy)
  “One thing that stands out very clearly from the police reports and media accounts…is that the investigators put a high priority on finding the so-called murder room.” (02:31–02:38)

• Ed Giorgio (weighing the cryptographic evidence)
  “The evidence went from likely, to very likely, to very, very likely, to almost beyond a shadow of a doubt likely.” (09:54)

• Alex Baber (on suspect identification)
  “He’s literally a fitting description…for them to independently give this same age range across the board is very compelling to us.” (15:48)

• Paul Brookbanks (on cryptographic validation)
  “Two people on different sides of the world come up the same solution. That's good validation.” (10:34)

• Investigator/Resident (on the Zodiac Motel site)
  “It's sort of hollowed ground.” (21:59)

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Key Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Discovery at the Zodiac Motel: 17:45–19:06
• Codebreaking Unification Around ‘Marvin Merrill’: 03:29–04:28; 08:08–09:55
• Forensic Revelation in the Elizabeth Sketch: 04:47–06:41
• Motel Witness Reports and Case Linkage: 14:13–16:14
• On-site Exploration and Final Reflection: 19:06–22:10

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Episode Structure

• Intro & Case Background: 01:47–03:15
• Codebreaking & New Suspect Evidence: 03:25–11:13
• Search for the Murder Room: 11:13–17:45
• Discovery & Investigation at the Zodiac Motel: 17:45–21:44
• Closing Notes & Reflections: 21:44–22:10

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Takeaway

In “The Zodiac Motel,” Michael Connelly weaves together codebreaking, forensic discovery, and traditional detective legwork, bringing chilling new context to both the Black Dahlia and Zodiac murders. The convergence of cryptic ciphers, a long-lost sketch, eyewitness accounts, and the physical site of the Zodiac Motel build a persuasive, if not conclusive, case that the two most storied unsolved murders in America may share their roots in a single, overlooked location—and one man who lurked within it.

For more details, visit killerinthecode.com or listen to the full episode for the team’s own words and emotional reactions on site.

Transcript

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[Resident/Investigator]

This is actually like a perfect location with the hidden driveway and the detached bungalows.

[Michael Conley]

Okay, I think they're ready. I got you.

79 years ago today, Elizabeth Short was.

Tortured and murdered, her body discarded in a vacant field in Los Angeles.

In death, she became known as the.

Black Dalia, the girl who was cut cleanly in two. The horror of what happened to her.

Led to one of the largest and.

Widest investigations ever mounted by the Los Angeles Police Department.

Some have called it a state of.

The art investigation for its time in 1947. Others look back and see it as flawed, with leads unfollowed and suspects not exhaustively pursued.

Either way, no one was ever brought.

To justice for the killing of Elizabeth Short.

One thing that stands out very clearly.

From the police reports and media accounts.

Of the day is that the investigators.

Put a high priority on finding the so called murder room where Short was tortured and killed. The place where her body was bisected, drained of blood and thoroughly washed before being taken to Leimert park and discarded by the side of the road.

But as with the suspect, the place.

Where Elizabeth Short took her last painful breath, was never found. Maybe until now.

Citizen sleuth Alex Baber believes he has found it.

Be it 79 years too late. And we're going to go there with him today.

You're listening to Killer in the Code.

Solving the Black Dahlia and Zodiac Cases. I'm Michael Connolly and this is chapter five.

A quick recap here of where we are at. With the help of a AI program.

Public records, genealogy sites and the self taught cryptography skills, Alex Baber spent nine months wading through millions of possible names.

And solutions to the most tantalizing of.

Ciphers left behind by the so called Zodiac killer of Northern California. That was the Z13, so named for its 13 characters. A cipher so short it was said to be unbreak.

Also known as the My name is.

Cipher because the Zodiac claimed to have encrypted his name in his 13 letters and symbols.

In a solution that has now been.

Independently confirmed by some of the top cryptographers in the world, Baber came up with the name Marvin Merrill, which in turn was one of a number of aliases used by Marvin Margolis, a prime suspect in the 1947 murder of Elizabeth Short, better known as the Black Dahlia.

Margolis died in Santa Barbara in 1993. In his last year, while dealing with.

A terminal cancer diagnosis, he drew a sketch entitled Elizabeth, which depicted a nude young woman with dark hair, signed Marty Merrill, another Margolis alias and dated 1992.

The sketch shows her from the waist.

Up, eerily matching the bisection of Elizabeth's. There are also accent lines on the torso that are similar to lacerations documented during Short's autopsy.

When Baber applied light filtering software to.

A photo of the sketch, he found a word hidden in the dark shading surrounding the torso. The word was Zodiac.

Following these discoveries, Baber pulled together a.

Team of professional investigators to continue his efforts on the cases.

The team included Cold Case Detective Rick.

Jackson and Mitzi Roberts, who retired from the Los Angeles Police Department as supervisor of the Cold Case Unit.

She was also the custodian of the.

Black Dahlia case files for the last 15 years of her career.

An update on the Elizabeth sketch is.

That Margolis son turned the sketch over to Baber's team for professional analysis. Roberts took it to an independent forensic analyst named George Reese of Imaging consultants.

During his 90 minute study of the.

Sketch, witnessed by Roberts and myself, Riis, who donated his time to the project, used several different lighting and filtering techniques to confirm the existence of the hidden word.

Riis was also able to determine that the hidden word was added to the.

Sketch with a pencil, as were several other shadings and highlights on the piece.

Graphite shading around the marks on the.

Torso give it the appearance of a blood smear.

You can see the sketch for yourself.

On killerinthecode.com because the graphite from the pencil overlays the black marker used to create the main image of the sketch.

It appears that the pencil was used.

To add final accents to the piece.

Curiously, when Riis removed the sketch from.

Its frame for the analysis, he found another sketch beneath it.

It was possibly added to keep the.

Elizabeth image from slipping in its matted frame.

The new sketch is both sides of.

A piece of paper and depicts four versions of neckties that say Ross Perot for President. In a way, it helps date the Elizabeth sketch because Perrault unsuccessfully ran for President of the United States in 1992. Margolis last full year of life.

We also have some updates regarding the.

Work done on the Zodiac codes.

We reported in Episode four that an.

Amateur cryptographer in Stockholm, Sweden, took Alex Baber's methodology for breaking Z13 and applied it to what is known as Z18, which refers to the final 18 characters of the Zodiac's first cipher, Z408.

That cipher was largely decoded way back.

In 1969, shortly after it was sent in three parts to three different Bay Area newspapers.

However, the last line of the cipher.

Was not decoded and thought for decades to be extra symbols Phil added to make the three parts equal in length. But a pattern analyst named Thomas Heffner in Stockholm used Baber's method and found it to include the name Marvin Merrill.

Now, the independent team of former NSA.

Codebreakers brought in to back check Baber's code work have analyzed Heffner's work.

They have concluded that using three different.

Methodologies of code breaking, including Baber's, that DE encryption comes back to Marvin Merrill on Z18. Here is Ed Giorgio, former chief code breaker for the NSA and leader of the independent team of cryptographers that agreed to back check Baber's work.

[Ed Giorgio]

It is certainly getting solid by the day. As I mentioned, the simple intersection of the possible names under the Baber solution with potential suspects in either case only has one name on it. It's Marvin Merrill. So even before I go to the new evidence, Marvin Merrill is a very strong candidate. Now, we showed earlier that when Patrick Henry discovered the keyword Elizabeth, that made it even more likely. And now we have additional confirmation from Thomas Heffner. His Initial observation, which was later, as I mentioned, extended by Patrick and Rich, is yet another confirmation that we have it correct. So the bottom line is that when you look at the combination of two cipher messages, one name, one keyword Elizabeth, one encryption method, and the potential keyword Sherry Jo. And so the evidence went from likely to very likely to very, very likely to almost beyond a shadow of a doubt likely.

[Michael Conley]

And from Sweden we go to Australia.

Where a longtime Zodiac analyst named Paul Brookbanks has confirmed baber's interpretation of Z32 and taken it a few steps further. A landscape architect by trade, Brookbanks has been fascinated by the Z32 because of the clues supplied by the Zodiac, saying that the cipher concerns radians and measurements on a map. The solution Brookbanks independently plotted matched Babers.

Which charted a path on a Zodiac.

Provided map to Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland, the place where Elizabeth Short is buried.

[Paul Brookbanks]

You know, I was hovering around all that areas and looking, trying to scale along that area. There's, there's not much else there, but it was really. Alex that's pinpointed that as Mountain View Cemetery because I just didn't know the significance of Mountain View Cemetery. I think it's a really good story that you've got. You know, two people on different sides of the world come up the same solution. That's good validation. You know, it's a reasonable suggest that this is the correct solution and a really compelling solution.

[Michael Conley]

You can go to our website for.

A link to Brook Banks YouTube channel where he discusses Z32 and other aspects of the Zodiac case.

Now let's go back to the search.

For the scene of the crime, the place where Elizabeth Short met her demise.

I say up front that we are.

Speculating here based on the facts of the original investigation into the death of the Black Dahlia.

Short's bisected body was found January 15.

1947 alongside South Norton Avenue in an area known as Leimerk Park.

It was less than two years since.

The end of World War II and.

The eve of the massive post war.

Growth the city would see. The area where the body was discarded was not yet fully developed. Crime scene photos show a vast emptiness surrounding the spot where Elizabeth Short's body was found.

Captain Jack Donahue, who was in charge.

Of the investigation for the lapd, said the area was known as a lover's lane.

There would be an eerie Corollary to.

This 22 years later when the Zodiac would start shooting couples in remote lovers lane areas in the North Bay.

From the start, the police Mounted a.

Strong effort to find the place where Short was tortured and killed.

It was suspected that she was likely.

Bisected in a bathtub, her body scrubbed afterward with a stiff brush that left coconut bristles on her body. Here is veteran homicide investigator Rick Jackson.

[Rick Jackson]

Nowhere a murder took place. The crime scene, it would be a major thing to have. You have potential for witnesses, you have potential for tons of forensics, especially in a case like this. So there's so many things that can be gleaned from having that answer in an investigation.

[Michael Conley]

During the initial stages of the investigation.

Captain Dono sent a phalanx of officers, a mix of detectives and uniformed officers.

Into the area where the body was.

Found to question nearby residents and attempt to find the killing room.

Eventually, the search expanded and Donahue later.

Told reporters that it was believed that Short was likely slain outside of the populated areas of the city and then brought back to the field on Norton Avenue.

Two days after the murder, the Los.

Angeles City council put up a reward of $10,000 for information leading to an arrest in the case.

Rewards often bring in calls from the.

Cranks and the craziest. Here's Rick Jackson again.

[Rick Jackson]

To control a reward. It can be a nightmare. You're going to get a lot of people calling, especially on a high profile case like this. It's time consuming, but it doesn't hurt to try if you strike out. Because the worst that could happen is you don't get anything and then the money's not spent. But yet you're, you know, you're shut out from getting any helpful information.

[Michael Conley]

When three different people report the same.

Thing, you take notice.

Operators of three different motels in the.

South Bay area reported that on the night of the murder, a nervous young man came to their motel and asked if their rooms had bathtubs.

He said that his wife was ill.

And under doctor's care and needed to use a tub. In each incident, the motel employees said they noticed that the man had parked a black four door sedan a good distance from the motel.

[Rick Jackson]

A crucial call on crucial information like this were three independent non connected people calling with the same type of information. That's huge.

[Michael Conley]

Keying on the idea that Short's body.

May have been bisected and washed in a bathtub, the focus of the investigation shifted to the South Bay.

The three motels were clustered along a.

Stretch of what was Route 165, which would later become the Harbor Freeway.

All three of the motel operators gave.

The same description of the quote, jittery, nervous man seeking a room with A bathtub.

He had bushy blonde hair, was 5.

Foot 9 and 21 to 23 years old.

On the night Elizabeth Short was murdered.

Marvin Margolis was 21 years old.

His military records place him at 5.

Foot 10, though in later photos he.

Has light brown hair.

He was described to police by at least one person who knew him back in 1947 as having blonde highlights or dirty blonde hair.

[Alex Baber]

All the accounts were between 21 and 23 years of age and Marvin's right in the middle of it. So he's literally a fitting description. Had they said 25 to 30, that would have been an obstacle we'd have to overcome. But for them to independently give this same age range across the board is very compelling to us. As far as investigators, like they knew that this guy was younger and they anticipated being in his early 20s.

[Michael Conley]

Two weeks after the murder, another citizen came forward. An investigator for the DMV said on.

The night of the murder that she had been waiting at a bus stop just northwest of the three motels.

She said a blood curdling scream drew.

Her attention to a passing car, a black four door sedan, where she saw a woman struggling with a man in the backseat while a second man was driving and a second woman was in the front passenger seat.

Could that have been Elizabeth Shore trying.

To escape from her ex boyfriend, Marvin Margolis?

If so, it meant Margolis had accomplices.

We'll talk about that possibility later in the podcast.

What Alex Baber did with this information.

Was chart these four reports on a map that also included Elizabeth Short's final destination on South Norton Avenue.

These stops showed that the man looking.

For a bathtub was moving south from motel to motel.

But the report from the DMV investigator.

Included her observation that the car was heading north.

[Alex Baber]

What it did is I took a map and I took two pens up with a pen at the corner of San Antonio and Orange, which is where Arlene Donaldson said she witnessed the account. I put a pen in Limerick park where her body was discovered the next day. You connect the arm I searched out using the archives of any motels, hotels or auto courts within that area.

[Michael Conley]

He came across an advertisement in a.

Local paper that caught his eye.

It was the announcement of a new.

Motel opening in June of 1946. It offered one bedroom bungalows with a bath and it was called the Zodiac Motel.

[Alex Baber]

That was one of those moments is what we refer to as a ha moment. Once I noticed the name and the correlation between what we uncovered with Marvin in North Bay and then The Mother's Tale. Right at that moment, I was on the track of, okay, this could be a possibility as being a inspiration or a origin of the moniker. And at that point, once I identified the details about the rooms being not individual and the motel having bathtubs, I knew then that this was the location Elizabeth Short was murdered at.

[Michael Conley]

Baber's confidence aside, there are no records.

Available from the Zodiac Motel that would confirm whether Marvin Margolis ever checked into one of its bungalows.

It also was not clear whether the.

Advertisement of a bath meant a bathtub or an in unit bathroom.

Still, when you consider the secret word.

Hidden in the Elizabeth sketch and Margolis's alias being found in two of the Zodiac ciphers, it's a coincidence that cannot be easily dismissed.

That's why Baber and members of his.

Team went there on a recent morning to see and get a feel for the place for themselves. Yes, the 22 bungalows of the Zodiac Motel still stand on North Santa Fe Avenue in Compton. Though they were converted to apartments long ago, they are neatly kept and painted in warm colors.

Two opposing rows of 11 freestanding bungalows.

With bars on their windows. If Margolis brought Elizabeth Short here 79 years ago at the end of a night's search for a room with a bathtub, then he leapt into finding a place on the fly that would have been most suitable for murder. It was called a motor court in 1947. The kind of place that served a post war Los Angeles where freeways were coming and the population would shift from cable cars and trolleys to the automobile. It was the dawn of what was to be an autotopia. And at the Zodiac Motel, every bungalow came with its own parking space on the side and an entrance just steps from the car door. This is Missy Roberts.

[Resident/Investigator]

I just think it's so interesting, these concealed parking areas between the buildings. But it's also interesting too, as an investigator. I want to get in there and I want to see, you know, I want to see the bathtub and I want to see the layout and I, I want more knowledge to, to again put those pieces together that are missing.

[Michael Conley]

We asked a resident of the complex.

If we could take a look inside his bungalow.

He allowed us in. But when we checked out the unit's.

Bathroom, there was no tub, only a phone booth sized shower.

But a careful inspection of the apartment's.

Layout revealed what appeared to have been a renovation in which an area in.

The bathroom that was the size of.

A bathtub was at some point divided in two, creating the small shower in the bathroom and a space in the adjoining kitchenette for a full size refrigerator to be recessed into the newly created space.

This would fit with social and cultural history. The Zodiac Motel was built shortly after.

The end of the Second World War, opening its doors in mid-1946.

It lasted five years as a motel.

And then became apartments.

During the post war Prosperity of the.

1950S, full size refrigerators became a household staple. That trend could have dictated a renovation that that would remove the tub to create space for the bigger capacity cold storage.

Despite the cheery pastel colors of the.

Bungalows of the former Zodiac Motel, there was something haunting about the place.

It was sad to think about it.

Possibly being the last stop in the short life of the Black Dahlia.

[Resident/Investigator]

It's a bit eerie of course, to think that anytime you think that somebody lost their life at a location is sort of hollowed ground.

[Michael Conley]

It certainly felt that way to me. I'm Michael Conley and you've been listening.

To Killer in the Code solving the Black Dahlia and Zodiac cases.

We'll be back with Chapter six soon.

When we try to decode perhaps the biggest cipher of them all, Marvin Margolis. We're going to track him across time and murder.

This episode was written and produced by Michael Conley.

It was edited by Terrell Lee Langford with sound design and music by Mark Henry Phillips.

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Informed of new episodes and check out killerinthecode.com for information on the investigation. Thank you for listening.

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