GTA 6 DELAYED! - Kinda Funny Games Daily SPECIAL EDITION

Summary

Kinda Funny Games Daily SPECIAL EDITION: GTA 6 DELAYED!

Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Greg Miller, Tim Gettys, Blessing Adeoye Jr.

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Episode Overview

This breaking news SPECIAL EDITION episode dives deep into the official delay of Grand Theft Auto VI (GTA 6), examining industry ramifications, fan reactions, and wider trends in AAA game development. The crew analyzes the new release window, speculates about impacts on other major games, unpacks statements from Take-Two and Rockstar, and fields live questions—serving up both expert insight and signature Kinda Funny banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. GTA 6 Delayed Again: The Facts

[04:44]

• Source: Jason Schreier (Bloomberg), Take-Two's quarterly earnings call, plus confirmations from Rockstar.
• New Release Date: November 19, 2026 (previously May 2026, originally Fall 2025).
• Reason: More time needed for polish and to meet player expectations.
• Rockstar Statement:

  "We’re sorry for adding additional time to what we realize has been a long wait, but these extra months will allow us to finish the game with the level of polish you have come to expect and deserve... While the wait is a little longer, we are incredibly excited for players to experience the sprawling state of Le Donya and a return to modern day Vice City." (Greg Miller reading Rockstar’s official statement, 05:35)

2. Industry & Fan Reactions

[08:08]

• Not a surprise to the hosts or most of the industry.

  "Not at all surprised. Not at all shocked. It was more just shocked to get the news on a random Thursday... But this not only doesn't surprise me, I also am not really concerned at all about it. I feel like this was very, very, very expected." (Blessing Adeoye Jr., 09:24)

• November is seen as a strong slot for GTA 6; hosts agree the delay makes sense for a game of this scale and impact.

3. Take-Two's Confidence & Financial Fallout

[06:15]

• Strauss Zelnick (Take-Two CEO) is “highly confident” in the new date, doubling down that polish prevents costly missteps.
• Immediate negative stock reaction for Take-Two: shares dropped 8% (~$30) after the news.
• The hosts joke about buying/shorting stock, referencing prior industry shocks and recovery (e.g., Ubisoft).

4. Impact on Release Calendar & Other AAA Titles

[11:14] – [22:55]

• The November 2026 release massively reshuffles the industry calendar:
  • Other publishers likely to avoid November entirely (“Is November 19th the perfect date for every other game to not have to come out, come after it?” Tim, 11:23).
  • Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra delayed beyond early 2026 (59:14).
  • Potential impacts: Pokémon Gen 10, Call of Duty, Wolverine, major Xbox titles (Halo, Fable, Gears), Forza Horizon, Nintendo’s slate.
• Games originally planned for the same period may now target earlier/later windows (January, February, or even Spring/Summer).

5. Critical Reception Concerns: Is GTA “Too Big To Fail”?

[11:44] – [14:25]

• The group discusses whether the satirical edge of GTA might be harder to land amidst rapidly shifting cultural/political landscapes.

  "GTAs are usually such a biting satire on the times we live in... at what point are the satire, the references they're making... not on the nose?" (Greg Miller, 11:44)

• Ultimately, the consensus is that gameplay, open-world chaos, and variety are more important to most GTA fans than narrative perfection.

  "The story and characters is just one part that I think at the end of the day is the part that means the least to the most amount of people." (Blessing, 13:02)

6. GTA Online & PC Version Speculation

[27:28] – [29:40]

• Wide agreement that GTA Online will NOT launch the same day as single player; expect a staggered release with online perhaps 2-4 weeks later.

  "I think online is such a priority for them... I think you're going to want to launch that at prime time." (Tim Gettys, 28:15)

• PC release at launch? Unlikely—Rockstar’s history suggests a console-first strategy, with a later dip for PC, maximizing multiple waves of revenue.

7. Union Busting Controversy (and its PR Handling)

[30:38] – [31:57]

• Some fans question if the delay announcement was accelerated to distract from recent reports of Rockstar union-busting.

  “Did they announce this sooner than planned in order to distract from the union busting news?... I don’t think they release this at all to do anything with that. It would be very convenient if it wasn’t Rockstar. ... This gets so much more new eyes than that ever did. Sadly.” (Greg Miller, 30:38)

8. Broader Trends: AAA Scope & Industry Slowdown

[41:54] – [46:32]

• Discussion of Rockstar and other giants’ increasing development times:

  "Again, I feel like you're misreading the tea leaves... these games are so successful and so critically acclaimed and so gonzo with the consumer that they just don't ever need to push it.” (Greg, 41:54)

• Comparisons to Valve, Nintendo, Naughty Dog: all release fewer but more impactful games, taking their time.
• The Mafia remake’s success, Borderlands 4 “not hitting goals,” and the impact of such data on how publishers define “scope.”

9. Game Awards & Nomination Timing

[52:57] – [55:48]

• With a November 19th launch, will GTA 6 make the 2026 Game Awards cutoff? Will Geoff Keighley shift the show’s timing?

  "Having GTA 6 the year it comes out at the Game Awards is the right move... Jeff show matters more to Jeff than Grand Theft Auto does." (Blessing, 55:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is classic fucking tantric sex. All right? They are just te... This foreplay is gonna be going on for a decade plus."
  Greg Miller, on the slow GTA 6 rollout strategy [33:01]

• “Delay the game for however long you want. Delay it as many times you want… this game is going to succeed. The game is going to come out when it's ready and it's going to hit hard.”
  Blessing Adeoye Jr. [09:24]

• "It’s GTA. It’s Rockstar. They make their own rules... I definitely think they want that double dip."
  Greg Miller, on the Online/PC stagger [27:40]

• “Does anybody else have a bad feeling about this game? You almost want to throw out there too big to fail.”
  Greg Miller, fielding a fan question [11:44]

• "The story and characters... means the least to the most amount of people."
  Blessing Adeoye Jr., reflecting on the GTA formula’s priorities [13:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timecode | Segment | |--------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:44 | Jason Schreier's Bloomberg report & Rockstar official statement | | 06:15 | Business impacts & Take-Two statements, stock reaction | | 09:24 | Roundtable: “Are you concerned?” — hosts perspectives | | 11:14 | Industry-wide ripple effects, calendar analysis | | 14:00 | Narrative vs. gameplay importance for GTA | | 27:28 | GTA Online, PC launch timing speculation | | 30:38 | Union busting news, PR timing speculation | | 41:54 | Pace of AAA game development and "too big to fail” | | 52:57 | How Game Awards, other release windows could shift | | 59:14 | Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra delayed (second news story) |

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Conversational, humorous, and self-aware—Kinda Funny’s signature brand, with plenty of joking about the industry (“classic tantric sex,” “move your wedding for GTA,” etc.) while still hitting industry analysis hard.
• Honest & pragmatic about both the inevitable nature of delays and the priorities for publishers, fans, and media.
• Community-focused—fielding live super chats, responding directly to fan therapy and concerns.

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Summary Takeaways

• The GTA 6 delay is major news, but not shocking—industry and hosts alike anticipated it. The new November 2026 slot positions Rockstar to maximize polish, launch impact, and revenue, using tried and true staggered rollouts (single player → online → PC).
• The release will send shockwaves down the calendar, forcing other AAA titles (and marketing departments) to reconsider their own dates.
• Critical reception questions (especially regarding GTA’s satire) exist; however, history shows the series is effectively “too big to fail.”
• Take-Two and Rockstar’s confidence stems from precedent—and their calculated, stockholder-driven communication style.
• The delay is not seen as a PR maneuver to cover union-busting, but rather a standard part of AAA development in the modern era.
• The hosts conclude with candid, energetic affirmation that GTA 6—whenever it comes—will dominate industry conversation and sales, and the ongoing delays fit right into Rockstar’s slow-burn, high-impact playbook.

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For listeners new or returning, this episode provides an engrossing, wide-angle snapshot of what Rockstar’s moves mean for all of gaming.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Greg Miller]

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[Mariana Van Zeller]

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[Greg Miller]

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[Mariana Van Zeller]

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[Greg Miller]

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[Mariana Van Zeller]

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

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[Greg Miller]

In the nerdy news. You need to know about part two. Breaking news. Grand Theft Auto VI has been delayed. We'll have all this and somehow more. Because this is Kinda Funny Games Daily. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Kinda Funny Games daily for Thursday, November 6, 2025. I'm one of your hosts, Greg Miller, alongside Forbes 30 under 30, aka New York Game Awards. Nominated, aka leftover poppy blessing. Eddie Oye Jr.

[Tim Gettys]

I got Deja vu today.

[Greg Miller]

This all seems very familiar, doesn't it?

[Tim Gettys]

Before.

[Greg Miller]

But rather than your normal Games Daily duo, We're joined by Forbes 30 under 30, aka the second best baby blues in San Francisco. Aka the expectant father at Tim Gettys.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Every time you say that, it reminds me.

[Greg Miller]

You can't get away from that. You can't push that out of your head. Gentlemen, welcome back to Kind of Funny Games Daily. Blessing, you are supposed to be streaming Hyrule warriors right now.

[Tim Gettys]

I know.

[Greg Miller]

Darn.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh no.

[Tim Gettys]

I can't play at home. I was looking forward to that.

[Greg Miller]

Instead you are back for a special breaking news edition of Kinda Funny Games Daily. Because Grand Theft Auto 6 has officially been been delayed. We'll have all that and more because this is Kinda Funny Games Daily. Each and every weekday on a variety of platforms we run you through the nerdy video game news you need to know about. Live Twitch TV, kindafunnygames, YouTube.com kinda funnygames podcast services around the globe. If you like that, pick up a kinda funny membership patreon.com kindafunny YouTube.com kinda funnygames apple or Spotify to get all of our shows ad free of course get your daily dose of me in a series we call Greg Way and support an 11 person small business doing the frickin journalism news breaking whatever happens. Also doing whatever we just did on In Review because I that was different. That was a fugue state. I don't even know what happened out there. Of course remember you can be part of this as so many people are right now. Super chat YouTube.com kindafunnygames Many B Goode says looks like love really is a long road. I want to know do you care about the delay? Is November a good date? What else is gonna get delayed? What's gonna move into the old slot? Do you think GTA actually comes out next year? What do you believe? Super chat on YouTube.com kinda funny use it as your therapy session. All right, this is a group therapy session about GTA 6. Of course. Housekeeping. We're an 11 person small business all about live talk shows. You already got Kind of Funny Games Daily Part 1 about PlayStation's PC Cross Buy strategy that we're just making up. Then of course there was a Gamescast that was a conversation about Hyrule warriors and what's next for Zelda and then Predator Badlands in review just happened. If you're a kind of Funny member. Today's Greg Way is 19 minutes about how cool and talented Alana Pierce is. Thank you to our Patreon producers Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney the Psalm twining for now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. Time for some more news. Two items on the Roper Report, a bigger.

[Tim Gettys]

Dozen.

[Greg Miller]

We turn our eyes to the one, the only, the shry guy, Jason Schreier at Bloomberg who reports breaking Grand Theft Auto 6 is postponed again to November 2026. Take Two Interactive Software Incorporated delayed the release of Grand Theft Auto 6, again pushing back the much anticipated video game by six months to November 2026. In a statement Thursday that accompanied the quarterly results, Take Two said it's giving the Rockstar Games quote team some additional time to finish the game with the high level of polish players expect and deserve end quote. The delay to November 19th of next year means co means costs to complete the game continue to mount. It's the second public delay for Grand Theft Auto 6, which was originally slated to release in fall 2025 before it was pushed to May of next year, that being 2026 in the official read update. Not read the official official statement. That's what I was looking for from Rockstar reads like this hi everyone. Hey everyone. Grand Theft Auto 6 will now release on Thursday, November 19, 2026. We sorry for adding additional time to what we realize has been a long wait, but these extra months will allow us to finish the game with the level of polish you have come to expect and deserve. We want to thank you again for your patience and support. While the wait is a little longer, we are incredibly excited for players to experience the sprawling state of Le Donya and a return to modern day Vice City. Sincerely, Rockstar Games I feel like just getting everything out there on the table all right, so a few more headlines for you. Take 2 CEO is highly confident on the new GTA 6 release date, but says when games are released too early, bad things happen. This is Reb Valentine [e-mail] GTA 6 is delayed again, this time November 19, 2026, marking the game's third delay since it got its first release window. But publisher Take Two's CEO Strauss Zelnick is, quote unquote highly confident that this is the last time speaking to ign. On a call ahead of the announcement, Zelnick reiterated the company's statement that the delay was simply for Rockstar to have time to polish the game quot we wanted to give Rockstar the appropriate amount of time to polish the title and make sure it can be the very best it can be, he said. Previously, Grand Theft Auto 6 was announced for fall 2025 release, which CEO Strauss Zelnick told me he felt confident in, even as rumors swirled of a delay. The game was later delayed to May of 2026, with Take 2 and Rockstar similarly citing a need for polish. So I asked Zelnick again, how confident do you feel in this new date? Do you think there's any chance we're looking at GTA 6 in 20 quote I'm highly confident, he replied. And at the same time there have been limited circumstances where more time was required to polish a title and make sure that it was spectacular and that time has been well spent. When our competitors go to market before something was ready, bad things happen. That said, that said, I'm highly confident on the new date. Of course, this is all Wall street needed to hear to make sure. Nope. As GTA 6 is delayed again by half a year to November 2026, Take 2 stock immediately begins to drop. This is Dom Pepiet over a Eurogamer. As a result of this news, we're already seeing Take Two stock plummet. The story broke at 9:00pm UK time, but as of 9:35pm stock has dropped by a massive 8%. In real terms, that means Take Two stock is down about $30.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Now's the best time to get in. Buy some Take Two stock.

[Greg Miller]

Don't do it, Bear. It's running. You don't have to hit the money. Trust me, a lot of people lost a lot of money on Ubisoft. When I said all this, then just for the lulz, I toss in Matt Piscatello over on BS. That's a blue sky. Tim said, While that GTA 6 will be the last Grand Theft Auto release I'll likely be alive to see, I mean, hopefully I'll make it to six, but you never know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Blessings, Timothy. Here we are. Oh, it's to be expected. Oh, this. I don't, you know, I don't read IGM that much anymore, but when I do, I see the same names. They got this new hack over at IGM named Jared Petty who's got an article up right now like, well, all the other G. Mendel A. You should have expected this. Go.

[Tim Gettys]

Have you read this article?

[Greg Miller]

No. So I started going through it.

[Tim Gettys]

It's funny because this article's from May 2026. They now have a thing where they recycle this article whenever GTA gets delayed, which is genius.

[Greg Miller]

I love that. I love that. Timothy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I got to walk in the room. You were in a meeting with Barrett. You were like in the little pod. You didn't know what was happening. Your face was amazing. We should have recorded it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

How are you feeling right now? What did you think when you heard this?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, not at all surprised. Not at all shocked. It was more just shocked to get the news on a random Thursday at the. In the middle of the day. Right. Like why? Why now? But this not only doesn't surprise me, I also am not really concerned at all about it. I feel like this was very, very, very expected. I think November is a better date for Grand Theft Auto 6. I think there's a lot of factors going into this where if this surprises anybody, I don't think they've been paying attention. Having said that GTA 6 is such a nebulous thing of if it hit May. I also wouldn't have been surprised if it gets delayed to 2027. I also won't be surprised these stock numbers dropping, all that. That makes sense. But guess what? This game is going to succeed. The game is going to come out when it's ready and it's going to hit hard. Take the time you need. I'm not concerned about this blessing.

[Greg Miller]

Are you concerned?

[Tim Gettys]

Oh no, I'm not concerned about it. It's the quote we always quote all the time from Dwayne the Rock Johnson of a game that comes out early usually is a bad game. But if you delay a game then Jabroni it's going to come out and it's going to be great. Yeah, like delay the game for however long you want. Delay it as many times you want. I think it sucks for the anticipation of it and maybe it's might suck for like. And I don't even say that. I kind of want to say myself for the advertising and marketing rollout of it, but I don't think that's true. Right. Like it's to what Tim said the game is going to sell astronomic numbers no matter what. It's Grand Theft Auto and so they could put this game out December 31st and it's going to do amazing. I think there's ripple effects as far as the rest of the industry and how it reacts and responds around that.

[Greg Miller]

How many have run, you know what I mean, Ran from May and talked about where nobody wanted to talk this year until GTA 6 was confirmed not to be this well.

[Tim Gettys]

And this is a conversation we can save until maybe later in the show. But is November 19th the perfect date for every other game to not have to come out, come after it?

[Greg Miller]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Hey, we can release in January, we can release in February.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, or November 8th.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

We have like so much time before GTA now in the fall and you know, I think you can come out at least a few weeks before GTA and still be somewhat fine as far as being able to have that time and space to get those initial week sales. And that'll be a whole other thing to talk about. But regarding GTA 6. No, it's totally fine.

[Greg Miller]

Demon Hacker does write in with a super chat just like you can on YouTube.com/kind of funny games and says does anybody else have a bad feeling about this game. And I know it's GTA, it's GTA 6 you almost want to throw out there too big to fail. They're putting it's a rockstar, they're putting all this money all this time, yada yada yada. It's an interesting question. GTAs are usually such a biting satire on the times we live in and everything we've seen from GTA 6 in these trailers looks awesome. Taking down Florida, man, whatever, you know what I mean? But it's at what point are the satire, the references they're making, don't get me wrong, they're not on the nose like they're trying to be like a Borderlands TikTok reference or something, but are they worried about it moving? I remember in the build up in that dead space between 2013 in Grand Theft Auto 5 and I guess now 2026 in GTA 6, I remember when Dan Houser was still at the company being quoted in an interview during the Trump, Trump's first presidency of being like, it would be impossible to put out a GTA right now because the world's already so crazy. It's as crazy as the games are and as everything continues to change, it feels like left and right and the completely insane becomes the complete normal day to day around here. I wonder how much of these games get shifted there and how much of the focus could be and what if that actually ends up affecting it at all?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't think so. I think it's all very valid points. I think that does affect the potential critical reception to this game. I almost don't think that that matters though. Like I think that Grand Theft Auto is so many different things and it's the biggest entertainment property or the biggest video game. Like all of this stuff because of the gameplay and because everybody loves something different about it. But at the end of the day, like sure, if the story's not good, it's an exaggeration to say, who cares, but if it's serviceable, that's really all it needs to be. If it's amazing, that's great. But it's jacking cars and running people over and shooting things and you know, the fun, just random stuff you could do. The little details. Like again, I can go on and on and on and on about all the different things that Grand Theft Auto is. The story and characters is just one part that I think at the end of the day is the part that means the least to the most amount of people.

[Tim Gettys]

I Agree with that. I feel like story for GTA as far as the audience reception of it is lower on the totem pole for how much they might still will gravitate to gta. When I think of GTA stories that hit, or at least GTA stories that people talk about, I think of fewer of the games than more of the games.

[Greg Miller]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

I think of GTA 4 and how much people talk about that story is hitting for them. Right. Or GTA Vice City, I guess even GTA 5, which I like the story of GTA 5. I hear so many people complain about the story of GTA 5 though.

[Greg Miller]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

And how, oh, it's too on the nose or it's too much like the. It's too much of the rock star nihilism slash satire. And you know, maybe the war adding wasn't as sharp as they wanted to be. I think when I think of Rockstar in writing, I think of Red Dead. And for me it's the opposite thing where coming off of Red de Redemption 2 and hearing how much people revere the story of red Dead Redemption 2, I wonder how much of that would then in turn influence how much effort they want to put into the writing of GTA 6. And I think on top of that as well, to the satire portion of it, I mean, I think, I know there's that there's the Trump quote. Right. But I think of it as the opposite way of, like, there's so much to make fun of now. There's so much that you can dunk on. And there's also so much that is. There's so much that has changed, but changed in the last decade, but changed in the way of. It's more exaggerated where, like in the last 10 years Trump has been president.

[Greg Miller]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Twice.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And so like we're talking about since 2016, of relevancy for what that is. If they've been writing, if they've been working on the writing and the story and stuff on this game for a very long time, it's probably still going to be somewhat on the nose.

[Greg Miller]

Sure.

[Tim Gettys]

And we're also talking about a game that is, I think, doing a lot to make fun of Florida in the Florida man and all this. Right. And it's funny because maybe in my ecosystem, in my online algorithm, I don't see much about, like, Florida jokes. I don't see the Florida man stuff. I don't see people eating people's faces. Like, I don't. The Florida.

[Greg Miller]

So old. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

The Florida memes aren't in vogue at least in my timeline anymore. But they're leaning into it. And I'm sure they're going to do. I'm sure they're going to probably do the best they can with that stuff, even with it being out of vogue. Because I think they do really. They do a really good job of capturing a moment in time.

[Greg Miller]

Raphael has the big question. Guys, I'm getting married on November 21, 2026. What do I do? Do I postpone my wedding? I'm rattled.

[Tim Gettys]

Roger asked the exact same question.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. What's Roger's wedding day? Or is he close to it?

[Tim Gettys]

He said, he said it's like five days after this.

[Greg Miller]

I'll tell you right now, Raphael, get out.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Cancel it.

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean? Move it out.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Not gonna work.

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean, Tim? I mean, I would feel like if you were in a different situation and you knew your baby was gonna be around here, you just lay the baby. Yeah, here's right. Here's Roger. We're thinking about the 14th, so that's tough. It's just like, you know, review copies. We don't know what that's gonna go on, but we're still thinking it's probably gonna be that date. But I don't know if you guys.

[Tim Gettys]

Feel strongly about it.

[Greg Miller]

Why don't you take the. Take their old date. Take the May date.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What's that?

[Greg Miller]

Take the old date. Take the GTA may date there. Ah, 250 person minimum at that point. So that's.

[Tim Gettys]

That changes things. Yeah, it's easy.

[Greg Miller]

We used to do. We'll fill with best friends if, you know, you can't, your people can't come or whatever.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What was the question?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, if he should move his wedding.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, but let's talk about the date a little bit more here. Like, I, I do think that this is the perfect date for this game. Like this really, to blessing's point. Like it. I think it's the perfect date for the industry. Like, this is far enough out now that people's plans can either stay for what they had planned with the May 26 date or change, given a little bit more wiggle room. But I think this gives so many prime spots as an option to. To game developers. Big, small, everything in between. And that holiday rush just feels right for Grand Theft Auto. And we've seen release at a bunch of different times through its iterations, but I think that kind of having that end of November, like right in you get your, what, two weeks, one week before Black Friday. Right. And you have, you know, the holidays and all that stuff. But with the way people buy consoles, the amount of people that are going to upgrade to a PlayStation 5 for the first time for Grand Theft Auto 6, like, it's going to be insane. Perfect timing for that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, it's interesting to be on the other side of it. I mean people writing in, you know, like Tavin, I've seen a few super chats like this, but Tavins on, I'm pulling. There's a world where it doesn't even come out next year now. But what does Wolverine do? Early October, I would guess. Time to play, get out of the way. I think you're gonna see a lot of stuff like that. But I also saw somebody saying, oh man, November for the GTA 6 and Pokemon Gen 10 out there. Like it's like you say all that, but we just got a Pokemon in October, right? Even if we were talking about Call of Duty, Call of Duty's next Friday, right? I'm talking about this year, next Friday of next year. So it's like as you look at November 19, it almost is what you're. Exactly what you're saying, Tim. It's perfect of like, let's get beyond, beyond all the other games and everybody else that would get in the way. Because even right now you throw up in Game Informers catalog. And granted, next year is next year. We're still not there. We haven't turned that corner. But as you look right, it's like there's a whole bunch of dates all the way through March, then there's one in April, then there's one in September. Like clearly people were getting out a way getting away from GTA when it was in May. I. Yeah, you know what I mean.

[Tim Gettys]

Call of Duty, I feel like is the only one where if it, if the plan is for the next Call of Duty is to release in mid November, you might need to move that up by like a month.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's what's really interesting though is there are a handful of heavy hitter games that I think that November is a safe, at least conversation starter of potentially launching. Greg, of course, bringing up Pokemon Gen 10, I think that yes, that is a nova November title and I think that by the end of February we will know that you look at Wolverine that probably at least in someone's mind could have been a November at over a PlayStation. Yes, September, October, November. I think it's one of those three. Right. But I think the crazier thing to think about is Xbox. They have so many of their big games. Like we're at A point with Xbox right now, that Halo campaign evolved. From everything we've heard, we know it's next year. Doesn't seem like it's going to be early. November 15th is the 25th anniversary of Xbox. So that's days before. And you imagine they'd want that is just on paper the most likely date for that to happen. But Forza Horizon going to Japan. Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Typically in November title.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Typically in November Fable. If that comes out next year, we kind of expect that it will. November is a potential date. Gears of War E Day. That feels like a November title. I know they're not going to put them all in November, but as you.

[Greg Miller]

Jump to Xbox Boardroom and they're laying everything out, they would have, I would assume, be right there with you. Oh, man. Thank goodness. GTA is May. That gives us more than half a year to play with it.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah. Forza is the one where I could see Forza getting delayed into the next year.

[Greg Miller]

No. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And I mean, granted that's. That's off just the knowledge of usually. Correct me if I'm wrong, Chat, but yeah, usually you're getting Forza Horizons in November. I don't think you put out another driving game of that magnitude in the same month as gta.

[Greg Miller]

No, I. I would just hope you maybe push it up.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but is it gonna be ready?

[Greg Miller]

Like.

[Tim Gettys]

I think that's the bigger thing is can you. How early can you get?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's just make it go vroom, vroom.

[Greg Miller]

I want to drive around Horizon. I know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I love.

[Greg Miller]

I love Forza Horizon. I'm very excited.

[Tim Gettys]

What was the game that I said earlier today that that would only cost $10 to make Forza Horizon the opposite of that. That's money.

[Greg Miller]

That's expensive.

[Unidentified Guest]

Just a quick Google shirts. Forza Horizon 5 was November 1, 4 was October, 3 was September.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, okay.

[Unidentified Guest]

So there, you know, there isn't like a consistent. But it's just that second half. So there is room around. And I could imagine Tim making the great point of Halo campaign Evolved. I feel like that would probably be the big November thing and Forza maybe like September.

[Greg Miller]

Good job, chat. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Racing was the one.

[Tim Gettys]

I was like, it cost $10 to make. Just make it. You got to listen to that last.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Thank you for this. It is interesting, right? Because that October Nova. September is very different than October and November.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, one of them has holiday.

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean?

[Tim Gettys]

One of them has Thanksgiving.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Just the amount of major titles that are again expected in that time frame. It's just it's going to be a delicate dance because I don't think that you can just push Fort up or Wolverine up or whatever it's like.

[Greg Miller]

Of course not. No, no, no, no. You're way more likely if you were. If these teams are internally targeting November thing, you have a conversation with them. But no, it's incredibly hard to push things forward. You're always at risk of a delay. So if you're there, yeah, you're pushing it back, you're delaying.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And we're also, we're not even talking about Nintendo, we're talking about Pokemon here. But we know Nintendo is going to have some major titles, Major, major titles in holiday 2026. Right. Which of these is affected by GTA 6? I think that they're not all equal. Right. But yeah, bringing up Call of Duty, another thing Microsoft has to, to contend with and deal with as a publisher among all the rest of their, their titles. Like some of those can easily get pushed to 2027. And I don't think that that would.

[Tim Gettys]

Be Call of Duty.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, just like the Fable, Gears and all of those. Like they, they have I think at this point the luxury to do that just because of how many games that they are in charge of and the, the game pass factor and all of that. But yeah, man, wild. And also thinking about this year, December, huge year for, for video games or huge month for video games and so many Metroid indies and Metroid and like exactly. Like a lot of stuff is. Has a December date I think more than usual in these types of situations over the last couple of years. And what does that mean for next year? Is there just going to be no games coming to December? Probably. Yeah. Right.

[Tim Gettys]

That's going to be such a great December. Catch up playing GTA GTA catch up. I'm just playing GTA 6, baby.

[Greg Miller]

We have one from Nova Phoenix that's an interesting take on. We're talking about all these delays, right. And where you move things around. Nova Phoenix says out of sorrows 007 first lighting crimson desert. Who do you think now jumps from March to May? Of course there are a lot of March confirmed things here. Oh, Crimson Desert 1000.

[Unidentified Guest]

I was gonna say 007 as well just because from the, the big breakdown trailer we got like a month ago, like that game looks great and really cool. But like in, in terms of like technical stuff, there's a lot of like frame drops.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So I, I hear you.

[Greg Miller]

I still think Crimson Desert is just such a gigantic bite. I mean I think it's a gigantic Bite of an apple.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I would do me wrong. I think it gets delayed probably not out of next year.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Crimson Desert.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

All the way out of next year.

[Greg Miller]

I think it's a gigantic game and I think is you this. They're going to do this whole thing of like, Crimson Desert is a game that does everything. You want to fucking fly. You want to grab this beam and hit this guy. You want to have weird warfare with trebuchets. Great. I think there's so much going on there that they're going to need more time. And then more time and suddenly you're like, all right, well, we're on the doorstep of gta, if not on the other side of it. And this is not a game that can share oxygen. This is a game that needs to launch and be able to breathe for it to deliver on what it's promising.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. And again, it's not just the oxygen. GTA 6, all the games we just talked about, you also need to contend with those. So the closer you start to get to fall, it's like there's just too many titans. But I. I think Soros is a March game and it feels like a March game.

[Greg Miller]

I heard it was in Rahul's contract that it had to be marked.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That seems like the right time to put that out. So I don't see that movie. And I also feel like how smart mark it feels like they have their together and it's like if they are calling the shot there, it's gonna maintain. But yeah, double seven. And I see both of those.

[Tim Gettys]

See, I think it's gonna be an avalanche. I haven't pulled up the calendar or anything, but I think we're gonna see a lot of those games that were announced for the first three months of the year kind of domino out and maybe spread out amongst the spring.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, let's run through it then. I'll give you some top level ones. All right. Looking at January, the ones that are going to jump off the page at me, nobody knows of. Quiet. I mean, there's stuff in here, but Animal Crossing. New Horizons Update isn't going to move. Right. Legend of Heroes, nobody's worried about. Dynasty Warriors Origin, I don't think we're worried about. I think it's interesting in February when you look down here. Right. Deus Ex Remastered. All right. That game looks like trash. Take all the time you need. Get out of there. Dragon Quest you reimagined. Get out of here. You'd be fine with that one. Resident Evil. You got a whole bunch of Them dropping. Right. Resident Evil Requiem, obviously. Right there as well. I don't. I don't think you move that right. Yeah. You're going to be locked into that as you go on. Do your deal. Neo 3. Yeah. You get to that March section where we're talking about crimson Desert Sorrows 007.

[Tim Gettys]

Those are the real big. Maybe Mouse PI for hire. Like, I know that's indie, but, like, when we saw that presentation that they did on it at id, at Xbox. That seems like a bigger title for a small indie team. I wouldn't be surprised if they were like, we got to get out in March because we don't want to hit May. If they have the time to polish. I could see them taking it.

[Greg Miller]

I think they're gonna stick. I think the fact that they had such a deep dive. I would hope that Mouse PI is locked. That they know what they're doing there on their end. There's polishing to some degree. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't think that there's enough games with release dates of big games of consequence that are gonna need to move. But the ones you named, I think those are. Those are it. And then also Nintendo. We do know a bunch of spring games without dates. Mario Wonder Switch 2 Edition. The Yoshi 2D platformer.

[Unidentified Guest]

Like.

[Tim Gettys]

Like moving that from soft game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There's no date for that, though. We don't know anything about that.

[Greg Miller]

Chat from the. Yeah. Chat from the live chat. That's free. Inkadoo says whoever drafts GTA 6 for next year, next year's fantasy is rolling the dice again.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

That's fun.

[Greg Miller]

Whoever has. Whoever gets penciled in to have to do that.

[Tim Gettys]

Mike.

[Unidentified Guest]

It's going to be Mike again.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I had to do it.

[Greg Miller]

Tundra Boy super chats and says, what does this mean for GTA 6 online? Same day? Absolutely not.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Still don't think so.

[Greg Miller]

You think it's the same day?

[Tim Gettys]

You're this far out? Because I don't.

[Greg Miller]

It's gta. It's Rockstar. They make their own rules, their own thing, and I definitely think they want that double dip. We drop GTA 6. Fucking finally pay 70, 80, 100.

[Tim Gettys]

When do you drop online then? January.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Maybe even a month later. I don't even know.

[Tim Gettys]

December 25th. Like, I think the November 19th date is so awkward for that. And I don't.

[Greg Miller]

I.

[Tim Gettys]

When was the. I know. With GTA 5. I think it was about two weeks between those two things. Red Dead Redemption 2 chat. Unless you guys remember, like, what was the distance between the single player and.

[Unidentified Guest]

Online there, it was like two or three weeks.

[Greg Miller]

It was terrible.

[Tim Gettys]

Two or three weeks. I think they're going to want to stick with that. I think online is such a priority for them. Like, that's almost a bigger launch than even the single player, just in terms of paving the road that they're going to be able to lay for the next maybe decade of what this looks like. I think, yeah, I think you're going to want to launch that at prime time. But I guess launching both at the same time, too is just fucking tough.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I just, I think that that is a impossible thing to balance. Like, I don't think you can put them out on the same day.

[Greg Miller]

Not to mention, I think you want all those headlines and you want people jonesing for it and talking about it. And then, you know, whatever the numbers, you figure whatever happens with GTA 6 on day one, it's the biggest entertainment launch of all time. New York Times is writing about it, it's on your tv. It's all these things. And then for more of the gaming enthusiast, whatever, you get a pop again when it's online day and everything's all about that. We got another super chat in here. Starkilla says, does this mean we get the PC version at launch? No, no, that's wishful thinking. You're not gonna get again, that's a triple dip. Let's do it here. Fulfill our promises, I'm sure, to the console makers on whatever exclusive we have with whoever we have it with, and then, yeah, put the PC version out way later. Make way more money off of that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Again, this is going to be a literal system seller. Right. So, like, the marketing agreements they have are probably very much in play with PC being a delayed release.

[Greg Miller]

There's one I'm trying to get back to that I like.

[Unidentified Guest]

While you do that, just another point. Is Greggy, like, them wanting that kind of like. Like first day launch, all these places writing about it, it being like this huge success, like with their troubled launches of online, of PC, like, they don't want to have that stuff on launch day. Like that, that's. That's probably another wrinkle of what they're thinking in terms of launching online later. Launching PC later.

[Tim Gettys]

I think it's. It's tough for me to imagine the online then launching like two months later, unless we're talking about mid December. Like, I think as far as for the audience, like a December, let's say, December 19th, would be fun. That'd be ideal. It's break. Everybody can hop online and all that stuff. But like you then have to have people in office working on that and.

[Greg Miller]

Making sure Rocks are notoriously great to their employees. Exactly.

[Tim Gettys]

But yeah, that balance is just tough when you're. When you're launching on November 19th. I don't know what that looks like.

[Greg Miller]

Speaking of all the notoriousness, Dark rewrites in with a super chat and says did they announce this sooner than planned in order to distract from the union busting news? If you haven't been listening to kinda funny games daily the past this week we've had two different stories about Rockstar and firing 30 to 40 people that just so happened to be 30 to 40 people that were talking about unionizing. But we swear it was because they were leaking information to someone on a platform that isn't in the company. To which the lawyers say they were all in the group with one person who was a union organizer. Hey, see where that's going. I don't think they release this at all to do anything with that. It would be very convenient if it wasn't Rockstar. The biggest thing. And nobody. The this gets so much more new eyes than that ever did. Sadly.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The question I had, I saw someone in the chat say this, but what was the source of this originally? Because someone in the chat saying that this was from a end of quarter financial report.

[Greg Miller]

Yes, it's Jason Schreier who said that in Bloomberg. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

So then yeah, this is this accompanied quarterly results. Yeah, this is not.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So this is.

[Greg Miller]

That's why the only the. I think the. I think the chatter knew that the super chat. They were saying that they announced this earlier. Did they maybe want to do this at a different quarter but they moved it up here and I don't.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I don't buy that.

[Greg Miller]

I don't think it's.

[Tim Gettys]

Hey, when you look at your busting.

[Greg Miller]

News is making enough juice that they had to worry about. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

This is news that matters to tens of millions of people.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We're breaking news.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We have breaking news, everybody. Actually, I could say this it.

[Greg Miller]

I see it. I see it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Snowbike Mike slacks letting us know. Jeff Keeley just saw me and he said, snow Mike. Mike, my best friend. How are you feeling? I got him, people.

[Greg Miller]

Congratulations, Mike Mike capitalized people. So that's. We got that going for us. Yeah, I'm glad we got that in this episode.

[Tim Gettys]

When you think about the tens of millions of people that are gonna buy GTA and that hear this news and like, oh man. Like it's maybe hundreds of thousands of people that even knew that news existed. Or maybe a hundred thousand people. Right. Like, we're talking about the audience that pays attention to video game news. People that watch and listen to the show, that might watch and listen to Skill up or whoever is their new source. But most of the people that would hear this news and be like, damn, now I'm being distracted by this thing. They don't know about the union building shit.

[Unidentified Guest]

This was such a huge thing that they wanted to distract people away from. They would have dropped a trailer instead. Like, delaying it, I don't think is like a.

[Greg Miller]

They would put a demo.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Or something fucking insane. I mean, that would be like, Strauss Zelnick killed someone. I'm gonna bury that story. Kyle LaBeouf super chats and says Rockstar's pulling a Microsoft. They keep stacking up, stepping on those rakes in the name of gaming journalism. I disagree. Like, I this. We all want GTA 6. Nothing can stop the momentum of GTA 6. This is classic fucking tantric sex. All right? They are just te. This foreplay is gonna be going on for a decade plus. You know what I mean?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. It's wow. In a lot of ways. Classic.

[Tim Gettys]

Classic.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I see this as part of the plan. Almost like you put the dates and stuff. It's the stockholder game. It's. You know, you're trying to get people excited.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The money and all that stuff. It's like. But again, we all saw this coming, at least to the point of, like, yeah, it could happen. Oh, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Nobody thought this was impossible.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

So we're so confident to put that date on it, though.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, but. But again, the date. Why they do that? It's for stockholders, and it's like, sure. You know, that's not a. That's kind of shitty. Whatever. But that's just the way.

[Greg Miller]

Name of the game. Yeah. Louise becomes a member for 19 months and uses his super chat to say, we got a snowbike. Mike and Jeff Keighley, friendship before GTA.

[Tim Gettys]

6, when did we originally think this game was coming out? Didn't they say it was coming out last year?

[Greg Miller]

20.

[Tim Gettys]

Was it 20?

[Greg Miller]

24?

[Unidentified Guest]

2025? I think it was the first.

[Tim Gettys]

Was the first.

[Greg Miller]

First year. Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Never mind.

[Greg Miller]

Then Crazy Shark89 says, When do we get another trailer? I had somewhere around game awards with the May date, but with the move next trailer on sgf, again, your rock star. You do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want, which is.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I think it'll be like, March. Okay. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I can see that. That sounds about right.

[Greg Miller]

Patient. A lot of jokes in the super chats. I appreciate them. We're not gonna get to all of them, but I appreciate you trying to get in here. This one I like. CK says this is getting a delay, but you know what's not startlingly startling? Tales of Santa Claus from Image Comics, co created by yours truly. Get it at your local comic shop December 3rd. I will get that just for you, CK. Thank you very much for putting in there. Let's let. There's so many super chats. Let me sort through them while you hear about our sponsors. Remember everybody, we couldn't do this without your support. Pick up a Kind of funny membership patreon.com kindafunny YouTube.com kindafunnygames Apple Spotify get every show ad free. Get your daily dose of me in a 15 to 20 minute podcast I do each and every day from my car. And of course get good karma for supporting an 11 person small business. All about life talk shows. For now though, here's a word from our sponsor.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

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[Greg Miller]

Special K90 super chatted with their membership for 17 months while we were away. My hope is that this means the PC version launches in November as well. However doubtful. Probably have to wait until. Stop hoping for that. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment at this point. Don't even, don't even expect GTA 6 next year. We don't know. Oh, he said he got a sandwich but I didn't know. Oh, a little Ikes. Oh, which one did you get?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Podcast didn't account for my lunch.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what? Same.

[Tim Gettys]

I just decided to starve through it.

[Unidentified Guest]

What's your go to? What do you got there?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm gonna have a good. This is the Matt Kane. It was the most popular one so I just got it. I haven't found. I love all the Ike sandwiches so man, I'm just gonna keep trying them.

[Tim Gettys]

Have you tried Sourdough and company? I had it for the first time the other day. It hit pretty well. There's one in the area.

[Greg Miller]

Demon hacker comes in and says they don't force online out for those day one micros. Absolutely not. You. They will get those day one micros out of everyone when they drop GTA Online, you got to let people breathe. This game is going to be purchased. They want it to be dominant form of conversation and I don't think they want to split that narrative. I think they do want it to be cinema. Oh my God. No one does it like Rockstar. Look at the detail on these fucking asses as they walk around. Look at the story we're doing. Look at this.

[Tim Gettys]

When do we get online?

[Greg Miller]

I think. I think they stick to what they've done before and I would say it was November 19th. I do think you get it mid December, before Christmas.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I would not be surprised. I think that that is likely. But I also think another likely option is there would be a bigger gap than we've seen before from them. And they do treat it differently. I still think that there is a chance that Grand Theft Auto 6 is just the single player stuff and they sell it at whatever price they do. And then when online comes out, it's free to play and it is very much set to make money in a very different way.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Or it's not free to play, but it's a separate thing. You have to buy.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Let's bring this question in because it's about online. Matt Sanders super chats and says you think they're just working on the online bit. The single player is finished. I mean it's been a decade.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, for me, I look at it in the same way that they talked about Zelda Tears of the Kingdom. I know Rockstar is a very different company, but they have a lot of polish when it comes to what they put out. And I'm not surprised with the reasoning of a. No, we're taking the time to polish because you only get one shot to launch a GTA at this point, once every decade.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And so I think they're going to want to launch this thing in a condition where it is undeniably good.

[Greg Miller]

And.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But it's crazy and I know this is very different, but GTA definitive trilogy was a disaster.

[Tim Gettys]

Disaster.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I can't believe that they put out and I know it's not the same team, whatever, but at the end of the day is the same group. They put out a GTA product that was bad. Kind of crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

They polished it though, after time they. After they got to it. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Greg, earlier you brought up the like, is this too big to fail? And it's like I. I actually think it is too big to fail because even if you it fails, it's still a success. Like you think about Cyberpunk. Yeah, I Think the biggest example of a failure in video games that we've ever seen. Like, we can bring up Anthem as another. Like, I'm sure there are a handful of games we can bring up that are like, wow, disaster. But Cyberpunk being CD Projekt, Red, one of the biggest devs out there, following up major successes critically and sales wise, Cyberpunk was like, I. Cyberpunk is definitely top five, maybe top three most hyped, important games of all time. Budget, no matter what metric you're looking at, like, expectations, all of that stuff. And they shit the bed. They fucked it up. And now here we are a couple of years later. That's a relevant conversation almost. And I feel like GTA 6 is that times 10.

[Greg Miller]

I want to bring in this one. Okay. Cody says eight years since Red Dead Redemption 2. Biggest studio in the world. Can barely put out one game in a decade. Again, I feel like you're misreading the tea leaves on that. I think it's that these games are so successful and so critically acclaimed and so gonzo with the consumer that they just don't ever need to push it. This is like, so in another. When you're talking about the league that Rockstar is in, in terms of, hey, man, take all the time you want. We're talking about them. We're talking about Valve. You know what I mean? We're talking about Naughty Dog.

[Tim Gettys]

And I.

[Greg Miller]

And I know Naughty Dog might. You might not think it, but I mean, like, definitely, hey, Factions isn't working. We're not putting it out. And PlayStation SBA.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Cool.

[Greg Miller]

Like, okay, cool. Yeah, you're right. Don't fuck up the entire franchise.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Key Nintendo teams.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, of course, of course, of course.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mario team, the Zelda team.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, you're also pretty much only that. I think you're also just talking about video game development in general. Think about how much longer development times have gotten as the generations have gone. Like, look at your favorite Triple A studio and think about how long it took them to release their last game. Right? Like, how long was Zelda Breath of the Wild to Tears of the kingdom? That was 2017 to 2022. I think three, three, three.

[Greg Miller]

So what?

[Tim Gettys]

We're talking about six, seven years. You talk about six, seven. So you look at God of War. I'm sorry, Bear.

[Greg Miller]

God of War, Ragnarok.

[Unidentified Guest]

Right?

[Tim Gettys]

And like, how long that takes. Look at how long it's been since last was two. And Naughty Dog still hasn't put out their next big AAA video game. That's just what video games are. And so when you take that principle and apply it to Rockstar, a company that is putting out the most AAA games. Yeah it's going to take them a very long time.

[Unidentified Guest]

The, the prettier games look, the more detailed they get, the more time that needs to be put into making that all actually look good and perform well. I think it's a combination or an in between of that. But then also you know we got that article what to what Greg was saying of Silksong development right where it was just like they had enough money to just kind of keep going and keep developing until they were satisfied with it. So I think it being such a big entity like Rockstar, I think it's probably true. True on both sides.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I want to bring this question from Aaron Lime. It's a super chat and it's honestly just a comment more than a question. Well that's a question. There's no question mark. I think we might get more into it as a broad topic on Games Daily tomorrow because there is still a show tomorrow. But the question here that I've seen going through the chat a few times but is does Mafia beating expectations Borderlands for not hitting goals and GTA 6 getting delayed again not paint a painting for these executives about Scope again we're this is all I was playing a video game for review. You were doing something else. You were in a meeting. On top of this is the quarterly earnings they're talking about. So there's more than just the GTA delay. I have seen in the chat and super Chats Mafia has beat expectations. I've not seen the Borderlands four things. We don't have specifics about that but it's interesting to see that coming out and then come to this question then about Scope again, I don't think GTA 6 really can go to this conversation until GTA 6 launches and then we hear the financials for the next quarter, the quarter after that and the year over year. That's really where it's going to come in of like did this 10 year plus gap between GTA 5 and GTA 6 work out? And the answer is going to be yes because GTA Online, we always forget GTA Online is generating money right now, right now when I mean remember how it was and I haven't looked at it in this lens in a while but there was those crazy, crazy month after month, month NPD now circana numbers where it was like GTA Online is not or GTA 5 is not only still in the top 10, it's gone up back up to 3 or 4 because they put out a Shark card promotion with this. So people bought the game again to get the card to do. It's like crazy how much money that made.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. And they know those strategies and they will do them again for the Grand Theft Auto 6. And it'll be a, a new experience being created with the knowledge of GTA online being the success that it is. It's going to be a different thing and it's going to work work even if it doesn't work right. It's going to work in the sense of selling and work in the sense of again like the too big to fail. I think that people are, there's no world where people are over Grand Theft Auto because of how long it's been and because how long it's going to be till the next game. If there even is a next game.

[Greg Miller]

Matt Piscatello might be dead.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

He might be dead.

[Greg Miller]

Jason Trier and B.S. that's Blue Sky. Tim does say report reporting earnings today. Take 2 Interactive says NBA 2K26 broke revenue records and Mafia the old country beat internal expectations. But the new Border quote we are confident that Borderlands 4 will achieve strong unit scale sales over its lifetime.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Wow.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah that's are we.

[Tim Gettys]

But we're attributing that to Scope. I feel like that's, that's what Aaron.

[Greg Miller]

Lime is talking about. The fact that hey Mafia is a linear experience again. It's not this open world bloat. We came down. We're telling you the story and going that way. I think there's a lot Aaron Lime is tossing in there and I, I, I don't think think it's a painting a paint a picture for executives about Scope. I think it's a lot of different parts there a lot of different things.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And also I mean what they're the fact there is which is it exceeded expectations which hopefully implies that they had realistic expectations for what a smaller Scope game is going to do.

[Greg Miller]

But you know, they had quite the expectations for Borderlands you would assume, right? Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And imagine what their expectations are for GTA 6.

[Greg Miller]

And let's bring in Matt Piscatella from Circana Group with a serious tweet. Friendly reminder that a game meeting or beating expectations does not necessarily mean it sold better or worse than other games. Internal financial expectations and comparative performance between titles are different things.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Totally.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm sure GTA 6 would beat mafia expectations as well.

[Greg Miller]

I think it will too.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Humbly. I wonder what their expectations were though for Mafia the old country, you know, 10 copies.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I truly think that GTA 6 will beat whatever expectations they put on it.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, see, that's what I'm. That's actually an interesting conversation to have because that's what I'd be fascinated to see. What are their actual expectations for GTA 6? Because to our point earlier about like, GTA 6 is too big to fail. I think it's too big to fail by any standard currently already set in the industry. But I would think that Rockstar in Take two have a higher standard for this thing. Like, I wonder how much far ahead they're aiming than even what GTA 5 did.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, I think it's insane. Yeah. And that's the thing is I, I think that literally no matter what it is, because they're. They're coming up with their expectations based on some data. We don't know what that data is, but they have it like they GTA 6 because of how big it is. There has to be more people than on any products probably ever in the world that are like doing market data research, understanding what they have.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I think the difference between them and Square Enix and all the other that like, keep this all up. It's like they have this proven thing that like just checks all the boxes. Like, I don't think there's anything that's going to get in the way of the success of this game where Final Fantasy 16, exclusive to PS5. Cool. That limits the install base. Whatever. GTA 6, we know where it's coming. We know how it's going to sell on the different consoles and systems. Eventually getting the PC launch, all that. And then GTA Online, we know.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Over the years, we know what the plan is. Right. Between that and also just the releases on PC and the, you know, maybe they do definitive editions when you get to PS6 and Xbox, whatever it is. Right. Like GTA 6 is the start of many releases over the next decade of everything that's going to be GTA 6. Right. But like, yeah, you're right that that's going to lead into these repeated, repeated dips that's going to result in a.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Lot of money, the revenue streams that Grand Theft Auto 6 is going to have other games just simply are unable to compete with. And, and it's crazy because I do think that there is a League of Their Own when it comes to Grand Theft Auto Online and Fortnite. Right. But Fortnite doesn't have the $70 plus retail copy factor. Right. It doesn't have A lot of these other things. Whereas GTA Online is going to have all the money making levers of Fortnite in addition to the last 15, whatever 12 years of at that point maybe 15 years of grand Theft Auto Online monetization and understanding of how to deliver things that players are still paying for and happy about.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but that's also, this is also why I come come back to. I don't think GTA Online is going to be free to play. Like I think you're going to have to pay for it based on the fact that people will buy it. It is the Call of Duty every year situation of hey, everybody else is doing free to play. Guess what? But we're getting that $70 plus whatever we're making on Shark Cards. I, I see it being all part of the same box copy as single player. But to your point, I also think there is that. I think it's a smaller chance, but there is that small chance that it is. Oh yeah, you're also paying $60 to $70 for to play online separately. But they're gonna have to treat that as I think at that point we're talking about that releasing in 2027, 2028 as its own hyped up release.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Which I honestly don't think is impossible.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't think it's impossible either.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But they're going to want it out as soon as possible because they want the money. But then the counterpoint to that, they still have GTA 5 and it's still.

[Greg Miller]

Making money, still going.

[Tim Gettys]

I still, I still lean back on it being in GTA 6 just for the thing of like I think you see Those sales for GTA 6 over time come down if you don't have online as part of it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I think that's the only reason why you would make it all part of one thing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What good problems for them to have.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, right.

[Greg Miller]

Gerardo was cool. Says how many publishers. And this is a super chat by the way. YouTube.com kind of funny games. Thank you for all your support. So many watching live right now. How many publishers do you think are scrambling right now to secure dates to announce at game awards for next year? I wonder. It's such an interesting question because again, you know, love it or hate it, right? When Silk Song was like that's our date. So many people are like oh fuck, we're locked in and we can't get away from it. Right. And it, you know, it didn't hurt some people. Did hurt some people, yada yada yada. Yada. But again, this being so late in the year where the historically for the big games, your message has always been get it out before Black Friday. Get it out before Black Friday. It's the Friday after Thanksgiving here in America. What usually the 25th.ish. Putting it here. I don't know. Again, we're talking about Xbox there. You said 25 years of Xbox coming up on in that month. All these different games for them that must shake it up to a degree. But I feel like everybody else must be kind of breathing a lot sigh of relief unless you fucked with your whole schedule to get away from May and you went to November thinking you'd be safe and now you got to think about going back to May, if that's possible.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I just don't think there's many games that that is the problem for like as we just went through all the big ones.

[Mariana Van Zeller]

I know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And also just again we're a year out from this date. Like we're November now. We're talking about November next year. Like that's so much time. So even talking about like plans for this year's TGAs. I don't think it affects anything.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. This year. No, I don't think we have to worry about that. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Speaking of next year's TGA's though, do you think they push forward voting because November 19th is such an awkward date for it. Like we know when nominations come in for TGA's or even when like I think final voting comes in. I guess nominations specifically, they usually talk.

[Greg Miller]

About the day somewhere in the teens. Usually.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Like it would theoretically be before when GTA 6.

[Greg Miller]

I don't think they do know.

[Tim Gettys]

You don't think they.

[Greg Miller]

I don't think not. Not only do I think Rockstar doesn't care, I think Jeff cares so much about his show that I don't think he'd be like that. I think Rockstar doesn't care about getting you code early enough that judges can play ahead of time. And I. And I think what, what's Jeff got to lose? It's one last year when it isn't going to be GTA down the line on every thing.

[Tim Gettys]

I agree on the Rockstar part. I think on the Jeff part, like.

[Greg Miller]

He wants to be a part of that.

[Tim Gettys]

I think you want to be a part of that hype. I think having GTA 6 a game that just came out now being like the, you know, game of the year nominees. Yeah, that does something hype for like people showing up and watching it.

[Greg Miller]

Sure.

[Unidentified Guest]

Chad. Y' all will probably be more knowledgeable. What is the a game that has been nominated for game of the Year? Like, what is the latest release we've seen of that?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That.

[Unidentified Guest]

Right. Because I don't know if it'll really.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Super Smash Ultimate.

[Unidentified Guest]

Well, no. Well, ultimate got nominated the next year. I'm talking. I'm talking about, like, the latest a game came out and got nominated that year. Right. Just because I don't know if it's November 19th. Right. I don't know if it'll be a problem, really. You know, I think there's still probably a good window where people are going to be confident enough and if they're playing review or whatever their feelings on GTA 6 to nominate it. Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Because I would think that's before actually. I don't know how the timeline works of, like, when final voting for game of the year is. Right. But I would think that maybe you build in some time for, hey, if you want a late nomination for a game, like, maybe put it in before here. And I think outlets for GTA 6, you make the time and space to be like, all right, right. Does this end up in our nomination? This is priority. Like, we got to figure out if this is something that we include here.

[Unidentified Guest]

Jumps004 says Dragon Age Inquisition came out November 18 and 1. So.

[Greg Miller]

Okay. Yeah, well, then I guess maybe I'll skate. It'll skate on in there and do what he needs to do.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I'm with. Bless that. Having GTA 6 the year it comes out at the game awards is the right move. The right move. And important enough that Jeff will figure something out. But to Greg's point, it's like, Jeff show matters more to Jeff than Grand Theft Auto does. Even in, like, just the amount of things going, like the dates and the. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has the. The dates of the venue locked in for like, the next three years, for sure.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. But it's always gonna be that second week of December, right? That Thursday somewhere in there.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Greg Miller]

So, again, yeah, I really. There's a lot of moving parts to it where it's like, yeah, when would reviewers get code for that? You know what I mean? In our. In our game awards conversations this year, there's so many people who have come to me and been like, hey, we're giving you code so you can be briefed on this. But your actual embargo is way further out than what you would think it you normally is. So that does happen. Again, would Rockstar do that? Absolutely not. Rockstar. Rockstar doesn't even give a shit. I'm sure they. I'm sure, I'm sure they want to play ball, but if they need to, they'll give no codes out and be like, game is so hot. We need to get it done when we get it done.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Autonomic says, are they messing up launching on console only when the industry is shifting towards PC. Absolutely not. They will make money hand over fist on console and then when they want to flip on the PC version, they'll make money, even more money there. And then the people who bought it on console but in that time have moved to PC or they'll buy it on PC again and go do whatever they need to over there.

[Tim Gettys]

Part of my brain thinks that, that having people online demanding a thing is great public marketing.

[Greg Miller]

Be great publicity.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, that's great publicity. Like, I think for how long I would go into either, you know, a Rockstar post for years and years and see comms. They're just like, heist, heist. Where's heist? Where, where's heist?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right?

[Tim Gettys]

Or even like transitioning out to a different franchise. Looking at Skate and how often people would ask for skate in any EA post.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I think Silksong is the greatest example of this, right? Like how many. I will go as far as saying a million people probably played that game just because so many people were talking about it and they're like, well, I got to give this thing a shot, right? That's crazy. And like we saw the success of that game. But yeah, you're right, people are going.

[Tim Gettys]

To do that for online. There are online for a handful of.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Games that in history. I just get that spam, you know what I mean? Elden Ring, Kingdom Hearts, like there's, there are very few. Skate is a great example too.

[Tim Gettys]

And they've done this for before for Rockstar releases on PC. And I think it's going to be exacerbated here of people being like, where's the PC? We want PC, we want PC. And guess what? A couple years later when they finally announced and released PC, that's gonna be a big beat. Everybody's gonna want to buy it because of that Silk Song effect that Tim's talking about.

[Greg Miller]

Obey no Law, super chats and says, why even announce it in 2024 if they knew it wasn't gonna be ready until two years later? This is what they do every single time. I just don't get it. I think it goes back to first off. I'm sure there are intentions when they announce the data ought to be 2025, that they think they can hit it and then they can't. But I think it's also to what Tim is talking about of like, let's start prepping the stock. The stock number is going to go up and it'll also go down. We delay it, but it's going to go up. And why not keep going that up?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Because there's a big difference between we know Grand Theft Auto 6 is coming, and we know Grand Theft Auto 6 is coming. It's like for years we made headlines and thumbnails with a very similar logo to what they're actually using, but it wasn't real.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And then it switched to a real one and it's like. Like, the difference sounds stupid, but the difference is stockholders can look at this and be like, okay, I'm really going to eventually make money from this. Like, this is not going to get last of Us faction. This game is coming out. This game is going to make money.

[Greg Miller]

So, okay, yeah, this has been a fun discussion, but frankly, GTA 6's delay is big deuce. If I wanted something smaller, say the tiniest news that came again to the mom and grab shops for the day, where would I go? Bless you.

[Tim Gettys]

Go to our last news story, the WE News channel. Recover all the small news items you need to know about.

[Greg Miller]

Number two, We News. Marvel 1943 Rise of Hydra has also been delayed. This got announced literally as we were sitting down here. 1943 Rise of Hydra has been delayed to an Unspecified date in 2020. An unspecified date. Right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Just call it what it is.

[Greg Miller]

To fully realize our Vision of Marvel 1943 Rise of Hydra, we've made the decision to shift our release window beyond early 2026.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I will say. Cause I've been a doubter of this game being a real game for a long time. This delay makes me think it's real.

[Greg Miller]

Not the fact that you haven't seen any gameplay.

[Tim Gettys]

We have seen gameplay.

[Greg Miller]

I'm sorry. I apologize. I thought we. I mean, we haven't seen like. We haven't seen like a demo. We. We haven't seen like someone sit down and play it.

[Tim Gettys]

You guys still wouldn't believe it if they showed you that, though.

[Greg Miller]

No, I mean, I hope. I hope to believe. I want to believe.

[Tim Gettys]

I believe this game.

[Greg Miller]

I want to. I want to play Captain America. I want to be Black Panther. I love that stuff. This is what I want to do.

[Tim Gettys]

It's such black. A Black Panther Video game is such. I don't know. Video games is an easy thing to do, but a Black Panther game, comparatively, you should be able to figure this out. Yeah, and I hope they're delaying it.

[Greg Miller]

EA going to do it. EA going to figure it out. Now. I got this one here. I forgot about Australia.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Where are you? Iron man in the process.

[Greg Miller]

He's about to be in Saudi Arabia helping them. He's gonna be helping them out big time. All right. That's what he's gonna be doing. Jarvis. Jarvis. Buy me a penthouse apartment here in Saudi Arabia. It's great. I can't do a good one. And he's gone too. He's on assignment.

[Tim Gettys]

We'll talk about this more tomorrow.

[Greg Miller]

We'll talk about 43. And that's your second week news of the day. I didn't have your wrong. I did have your wrong open. Do we have anything wrong while we did this? We got that thing. No, we didn't. We crushed it, everybody. This has been another episode of Kinda Funny Games Daily. Remember, each and every weekday we go live at 10am Pacific on Twitch TV. Kindafunnygames, YouTube.com kinda funnygames in podcast services around the globe to bring you the nerdy video game news you need to know about. If you're joining us for the first time, like subscribe, share, ring the bell. Consider picking up a kinda funny membership. Patreon.com kindafunny YouTube.com kindafunnygames Apple or Spotify, you can toss us $10. You can get all of our shows ad free. Get a daily dose of me and a podcast called Greg Way. And of course, get good karma for supporting an 11 person business. We'll be back in mere hours, but until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you. When I was there, you had to have a knife. One of you's gotta take turns carrying it up your rectum.

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