Horizon Zero Dawn MMO Reportedly Cancelled - Kinda Funny Games Daily 01.21.25

Summary

Kinda Funny Games Daily: Horizon Zero Dawn MMO Reportedly Cancelled Episode: January 21, 2025

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Hosts:

• Greg “GameOverGreggy” Miller
• Blessing Adeoye Jr.

Overview: In this episode of Kinda Funny Games Daily, Greg Miller and Blessing Adeoye Jr. delve into the latest developments in the gaming world. The primary focus is on the cancellation of the Horizon Zero Dawn MMORPG, followed by discussions on Bend Studios’ future projects, the potential impact of Mexico tariffs on game releases, updates on Marvel Snap post-TikTok ban, Microsoft's new Xbox controller, and EA's shutdown of its Origin service.

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1. Horizon Zero Dawn MMORPG Cancellation

Timestamp: 14:35 – 27:06

Key Points:

• Cancellation Details: NCsoft has officially canceled the Horizon Zero Dawn MMORPG, a project developed in collaboration with Sony Interactive Entertainment. The decision affects three studios: HJ and Pantera.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (14:35): "According to South Korean site MTN News, publisher NCsoft has canceled projects being worked on at three studios. Three studios codenamed HJ and Pantera."

• Impact on Developers: Developers previously tied to the Horizon MMO have departed NCsoft, with remaining staff reassigned to other projects within the company.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (14:52): "It's been reported for some time that Project H was the codename for an MMORPG based on Sony's Horizon franchise."

• Strategic Partnership: Originally, NCsoft and Sony aimed to expand the Horizon universe beyond consoles, targeting a broader PlayStation audience.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (14:52): "Partnering with NCSOFT advances our strategy to expand beyond console and broaden PlayStation's reach to a wider audience."

• Community Reaction: The cancellation has elicited mixed emotions from fans, with discussions on the feasibility and necessity of an MMO within the Horizon universe.

  Greg Miller (16:06): "I think the Horizon world is interesting and like, I do think there are a lot of elements of that world that you know, could translate well to like an explorable… multiplayer thing."

Discussion Highlights:

• Overextension of IP: Both hosts express concerns about the Horizon franchise being stretched too thin with multiple projects, potentially diluting the core experience.

  Greg Miller (17:57): "I think nobody does a Year one launch like Nintendo when it comes to embracing the weirdness of their platform."

• Future of Horizon Projects: Speculation on upcoming Horizon titles and their potential to either invigorate or further complicate the franchise.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (27:06): "I hope the next game wraps it up and then we move on to the next thing."

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2. Bend Studios’ Future After Live Service Cancellations

Timestamp: 31:47 – 35:30

Key Points:

• Cancelled Projects: Sony has canceled two unannounced live service games in development at Bend Studios and Bluepoint Games, including a rumored live-service God of War title by Bluepoint.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (31:47): "Bend’s studio live service game remains unknown. A Sony Perks spokesperson confirmed… 'neither studio will be closed and it will work with each to determine its next projects.'"

• Studio Sentiments: Despite cancellations, Bend Studios remains committed to creating innovative games, though uncertainty looms over their next steps.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (33:08): "I need something that's just like pulp action or like espionage."

• Future Prospects: Discussion on potential projects, including the desire for new entries in franchises like Siphon Filter, and skepticism about Bend Studios taking on major titles like Uncharted.

  Greg Miller (34:25): "I think that's the answer. I hope that's the answer. I hope… Siphon Filter Vibes is the answer."

Discussion Highlights:

• Remakes vs. New Titles: The hosts debate whether studios like Bluepoint should focus on remakes (e.g., Uncharted) or developing entirely new titles.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (34:30): "I think you're more likely to get the remake from Blue Point."

• Studio Viability: Concerns about the long-term viability of studios like Bend after these cancellations, especially in the competitive landscape of first-party developers.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (33:08): "We need a hero. I think it'd be really nice to see a PlayStation first-party studio give us that same feel."

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3. Mexico Tariffs and Their Impact on Video Games

Timestamp: 40:18 – 47:05

Key Points:

• Tariff Proposal: The U.S. administration, under President Donald Trump, is considering imposing a 25% tariff on imports from Mexico starting February 1st, primarily targeting products involved in illegal immigration and fentanyl.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (40:18): "A proposed tariff on imports from Mexico to the US could result in fewer physical game releases and higher software prices."

• Effect on Game Distribution: Analysts predict a decline in physical game releases in the U.S. due to increased production costs and potential price hikes for both physical and digital titles.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (42:08): "With 25% tariffs on imports from Mexico on the way, I can see a sharp downtick in the number of disc-based games that get released physically in the US."

• Economic Implications: The tariffs aim to bolster American manufacturing but could lead to higher costs for consumers and disrupt existing supply chains in the gaming industry.

  Greg Miller (44:01): "If software goes up, if physical games go up, if hardware also goes up in price, right. Are Nintendo, PlayStation, Microsoft going to be able to price that at a place where that can be a success?"

Discussion Highlights:

• Long-term Consequences: The hosts discuss the potential long-term impacts on the accessibility and affordability of video games, questioning the sustainability of physical game sales amidst rising costs.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (44:59): "Everything's going to go up because they have a green light. Suddenly be like, oh, fucking tariffs."

• Industry Response: Speculation on how major companies like Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft might respond to these tariffs, including shifting towards digital-only releases to mitigate costs.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (43:18): "It's a real threat, it is a real concern and it really would impact video games quite dramatically."

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4. Marvel Snap Status Post-TikTok Ban

Timestamp: 50:13 – 57:37

Key Points:

• Service Disruption: Following TikTok's ban, Marvel Snap, developed by Second Dinner, experienced outages due to shared ownership with TikTok’s parent company.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (50:13): "When TikTok got banned over the weekend, Second Dinner also went down with Marvel Snap because of being owned by the same parent company."

• Publisher Transition: Second Dinner is actively seeking a new publisher to restore and continue the development of Marvel Snap.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (51:27): "Marvel Snap is back online in the US but to make sure this never happens again, we're working to bring more services in house and partner with a new publisher."

• Developer Challenges: The abrupt need to find a new publisher has created chaos and uncertainty among the development team and the player base.

  Greg Miller (51:27): "If you could bring back one PS3 era multiplayer game to live service push, what would it be?"

Discussion Highlights:

• Developer Sentiment: Empathy towards developers dealing with sudden changes and the challenges of maintaining player trust during such transitions.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (51:52): "It's been a mad dash through this now trying to find a new publisher."

• Market Implications: The stability of game services like Marvel Snap is crucial for maintaining player engagement and revenue streams, highlighting the interconnectedness of game development and broader corporate decisions.

  Greg Miller (53:07): "They have a certain power to be able to go, we're going to look for a different publisher while you still have your publisher."

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5. Microsoft’s Special Edition Xbox Controller

Timestamp: 53:01 – 60:34

Key Points:

• New Release: Microsoft has announced the wireless Xbox Pulse Cipher Special Edition controller, characterized by a translucent red design reminiscent of classic GameCube and N64 controllers.

  Greg Miller (53:07): "Introducing the wireless Xbox Pulse Cipher Special edition."

• Design Aesthetic: The controller features a see-through design, allowing players to view internal components, aiming to evoke nostalgia while offering a modern twist.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (53:35): "It's another one of those translucent controllers like the old GameCube days or N64 days."

• Price Point: Set to release on February 4th at $74.99, positioning it as a premium accessory for gaming enthusiasts.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (54:34): "Controller coming out February 4th. It'll be $74.99."

Discussion Highlights:

• Host Preferences: Greg expresses initial reservations about the translucent design, preferring solid colors, while Blessing appreciates the nostalgic appeal.

  Greg Miller (54:40): "I don't think it's as… speak to me as much anymore, even though I loved mine as a kid."

• Functionality vs. Aesthetics: Balancing the controller's visual appeal with practical functionality is a recurring theme, with hosts debating the utility versus the stylistic choices.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (54:47): "How is the mouse? What's the mouse percentage at right now?"

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6. EA Shuts Down Origin Service

Timestamp: 60:13 – 67:17

Key Points:

• Service Termination: EA has announced the shutdown of its Origin service for both PC and Mac users, effective April 17. Players with 32-bit operating systems will lose access to their game libraries unless they upgrade.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (60:13): "EA has announced it will be shutting down its Origin service on PC and Mac."

• Transition to Other Platforms: EA encourages players to migrate their games to other platforms like Steam to retain access and continue enjoying their purchased titles.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (61:17): "Just put it on Steam. Just make the money. Put the goddamn money with Valve."

Discussion Highlights:

• Consumer Frustration: Hosts express frustration over EA’s decision, criticizing the company for not transitioning their games to more universally accessible platforms sooner.

  Greg Miller (55:21): "We want to own it. Just put it on Steam."

• Industry Trends: The shutdown reflects a broader industry trend towards digital distribution, phasing out older services and focusing on more integrated platforms.

  Greg Miller (56:53): "It's the last games we have to talk about."

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Additional Highlights:

• Super Chats: Throughout the episode, listeners contribute via super chats, posing questions about Horizon’s character depth, Bend Studios’ future projects, and suggestions for reviving classic multiplayer games.

  Super Chat (24:15): "Can anyone in the office name five or even three characters in Horizon other than Aloy?"

• Future Content: The hosts tease upcoming segments, including predictions for the Nintendo Switch 2 and streaming sessions featuring new games like Eternal Strands.

  Blessing Adeoye Jr. (63:16): "Chase Ley says Sony should make a card game with all these IPs."

• Community Engagement: Discussion on the potential for Kinda Funny to branch into card games, inspired by popular titles like Magic: The Gathering and Disney Lorcana.

  Greg Miller (62:07): "If you own an IP, make a TCG. If you own an IP, make a trading card game."

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Conclusion: Greg Miller and Blessing Adeoye Jr. provide a comprehensive overview of pressing issues in the gaming industry, from major project cancellations to economic factors affecting game distribution. Their engaging discussions, enriched by community interactions, offer listeners insightful perspectives on the evolving landscape of video games.

Notable Quotes:

• Greg Miller (16:06): "I think the Horizon world is interesting and like, I do think there are a lot of elements of that world that… could translate well to like an explorable… multiplayer thing."
• Blessing Adeoye Jr. (14:35): "According to South Korean site MTN News, publisher NCsoft has canceled projects being worked on at three studios."

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This summary captures the essence of the January 21, 2025 episode of Kinda Funny Games Daily, highlighting the key discussions and insights shared by the hosts.

Transcript

[Greg Miller]

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

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[Greg Miller]

Oh yeah, Junior like fighting game Poppy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Thank you.

[Greg Miller]

How are you doing?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Good. How are you doing?

[Greg Miller]

Pretty good.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

How worried about your mouse are you right now?

[Greg Miller]

Well, it said I got the warning that it's at 5% and I was going to go to my desk and get a cable. I decided I'm going to run it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

If it dies. It does.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

You know I can switch the trackpad. If I was hosting I would have gotten the cable. You know, I mean because I like the scrolly, I like the, I like the control for when I'm reading through the story.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right.

[Greg Miller]

Like I don't need but I mean you can scroll the touchpad but it's not as, it's not as fine tuned as the mouse. I don't have as like as good dexterity. I need the control.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You need to have that precise pixel by pixel control.

[Greg Miller]

I need the wheel. I need the mouse wheel.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sure.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Me being control now, as you know, PC gaming, what a fucking joke. But I've been playing a lot of PC games and so on the one downstairs I have, I have it on the giant TV and there the mouse wheel. Something's wrong, you know what I mean? Where it's like it's fine, fine, fine. And then it gets to like a tipping point. It's like. And it goes backwards.

[Greg Miller]

I hate it. I hate that for you.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't know if it's because the screen's too big and I got. You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

It was going to fix that switch to switch to.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There you go.

[Greg Miller]

Joycon.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

My little Joy con. Yeah, I'm sure it's going to be.

[Greg Miller]

Very counter strike on that thing. I cannot wait for it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Replace all. You won't even I mean, I'm sure there, obviously Nintendo will make it Bluetooth eventually you'll be able to use it right there. You won't even need that.

[Greg Miller]

Oh yeah, no, for sure. I'm going to be scrolling through my PC with my Joy Cons.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Clicking on the right bumper.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Be great.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Where are you right now with your Switch hype? Of course you've done one half of the gamescast duo. Where yesterday you predicted your first year for the Nintendo Switch, today Timothy steps up to do it.

[Greg Miller]

I'm excited, honestly. I think Tim's predictions might get me more excited. I'm of course, like in a perpetual state of wow. I'm very much looking forward to the next Switch thing. It's been years and years of being like, man, we kind of need a new Switch because these games are starting to look a bit stale, starting to look a bit old. They still play great because Nintendo, right? But like, there's a level of like, I look at these visual fidelity. Yeah. I look at the visual fidelity, I look at these assets, I look at these characters and I'm like, I don't like the jaggies. I don't like how rough some of these environments look. I play Pokemon Scarlet and I'm like, why does it look like this? Like, what are we doing here? And so I've always been excited for it. But I will say I don't think the Switch to hardware reveal got me more excited necessarily. I think for me it will be software driven. And we got to get to that Nintendo direct to let us know what the software is going to be. Because I think sure enough we're going to get one or two or three things that make us go, oh snap, I can't wait for that. Right? We're going to get a 3D Mario. We're going to see more of Mario Kart. And I'm sure we'll get one more thing that's like, oh man, like, I can't. Like, those are the big one. Like Metroid Prime 4 probably, right?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

But then we're going to get a bunch of weird shit that we have no idea what to make of. Like, we're going to get the arms, we're going to get the snipper clips. Like, we're going to get the 12 switch. Like, we're going to get the weird ass games that make us go, oh, that's weird. I guess we'll see. Like, and that's the thing that excites me, right? Like, I think nobody does a. I think a Year one launch late. Like Nintendo when it comes to embracing the weirdness of their platform.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And so I can't wait to see if the mouse feature, because of course, is speculation of, like, the mouse functionality.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

But if that actually is a thing, I feel like we're going to get a game that is specifically for that. And I know people in chat. People in chat are going to scream, mario Paint. Mario Paint. But that's the easy answer.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It is.

[Greg Miller]

Nintendo never goes for the easy answer. It's going to be a weird.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They're going to give you something they want you to care about. You won't. And then. Well, a very select few of you will.

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Really? Too much. And then you'll get Mario Paint in three years.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly. What about you, Hookstart? Are you for the Switch to excited?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I'm with you. Of like, you know, the reveal didn't do much in terms of like, holy shit, I can't fucking wait. It was like, all right, cool. Yeah. It's bigger and it's gonna have that. Like, I'm with you. I want to see the games. I want another thing. I want them to say Animal Crossing is not launch. Because I don't like dreaming about it. I keep dreaming about it being launched down your dreams. I don't want to dream. Just give me a Mario. Give me Mario Kart. Let's just.

[Greg Miller]

There's no way Animal Crossing's launch.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No way.

[Greg Miller]

No way.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But then what if.

[Greg Miller]

But what if.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's how you get. You tumbled down the hill of wild speculation and you ruin your day.

[Greg Miller]

But it's like, they can't do that because Animal Crossing is one of those games where you need it to be available. Like, you need to switch hardware to be in people's hands before you release that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sure.

[Greg Miller]

Because it's gonna sell out.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But it's the same thing. It's the same argument as Mario Kart where put it out at launch. Sure. And then for the rest of eternity, every Switch to that sold is going to be sold alongside a copy of Mario Kart or Animal Crossing. Yeah. But I think I'm. I'm a thousand with you. Yeah. It's just the people who get crazy about it then get me thinking maybe I'm wrong. But I'm not wrong.

[Greg Miller]

The thing. So I think putting out Animal Crossing on Switch at launch would be the equivalent of if Taylor Swift performed at Warfield in San Francisco. Right. You're too big for this venue.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sure, sure. We need.

[Greg Miller]

We need a place that has way bigger seating we need to wait until maybe even year three of the Switch two before we. Taylor Swift.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You say all that and it's 100% correct. Because guess what else is going to come with Animal Crossing on Switch Switch bundles. Here's the animal, here's the new Switch, the Switch 2 that looks like it's on an island vacation or whatever they're doing this time around. You have all of those tie ins, let alone the game. I mean, it's not crazy to think five years is enough, but five years isn't enough. They want more space between that. They want to get more juice from it. I wouldn't be surprised because it is Nintendo. If they made a big deal about Animal Crossing, getting an update for Switch.

[Greg Miller]

To see that I could see.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, right.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We've heard you guys, you wanted more content. So we are doing this thing while we continue hard at work on the next Animal Crossing or something like that.

[Greg Miller]

Switch Gears.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

From Nintendo to wrestling. Have you been watching Raw week to week now that's on Netflix.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I've still mainly been doing the social media clips the way I do because again, it's just. It's ruined. Right? Like, you know, last night, here's. Let's just kick it up, right? We've had three Raws on Netflix.

[Greg Miller]

Yep.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Raw number one. Of course, we came here, we watched it with you. Thank you for hanging out. Loved it. Raw number two, what was it last week? Monday night?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What did I fucking have in my car on the way home? Paris fucking Lily. Oh, just yak, yak, yakin. I don't need to hear about Danny Pena anymore. All right? I get it.

[Greg Miller]

That's all he's trying. Danny Pena. Can't get enough of him.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's your fucking friend. I get it. But it was. We were, you know, shooting the shit, having a great time, chopping up on the way. So I don't drive distracted. But my plan has always been with Raw and Netflix. Oh, fucking awesome. But I put in my mount and I just have it play. Oh, I mean, it's gonna be playing, but I don't watch. You know what I mean? It's not so much about the moves, a bunch of the promos, right?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Because usually what I do is on the way home is every red light, refresh, Twitter, refresh, TikTok for WWE.

[Greg Miller]

How many of those red lights are like, they go green and you're just sitting there. Like you're just sitting there.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What are you saying? Hey, I do a fucking goddamn. I do A podcast for my car every day. And how many times have I been rear or in a car accident? Not that many. Fair. Not. You can't justify it. You can't find it. Anyways, Paris was in the car last week. And then yesterday, MLK day, Ben was off school. We all stayed home with Ben. So even five o'clock rolled around. What happened? Inevitably, I'm getting him set up for dinner, but I'm scrolling on Twitter and then I start seeing it. And like, for me, wrestling is one of the few things in my life that once it's spoiled, I don't want to watch the match. You know what I mean? Like, if I know how it's going to end or, oh, you know, Nia Jax is going to attack Ria here. It's like, okay, well, I don't want to watch that segment. So once I start seeing all of RAW Fall Apart in real time live, it's like, all right, well, I got it. If there is a big thing to go back and watch, I can, but I instead will play video games and Jen watches some Murderino show. Is usually how it goes for me.

[Greg Miller]

It was for the second week in a row I've done the thing where I put up raw. I'm like, in my living room. In my living room, I have my coffee table and raw's on the tv going for two and a half hours. And during that entire time, I have magic cards in front of me and I'm organizing. And Michael Hyam came out last night and he, like, saw me and he was like, damn, bro. Like, this guy, this guy's locked in. And I'm like, dude, it's a problem because I'm having, like, when I tell you I'm having the time of my life playing with my magic cards and having RAW up on tv, like, seeing these promos, and then, like, yeah, the wrestling's happening and I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the wrestling when I'm watching wrestling. And so I'm like, locked in, looking at my cards, thinking about, like, re sleeping certain things. It's like, it's a green deck, so I just get a green sleeve. I'm living my best life.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You're talking about, like, the daydream for me that I don't think is far off. Hopefully, knock on wood. Next week, I listen in on RAW on the way home for that, you know, drive there, right? Then I get there. I'm in dad mode, where I'm not really on my phone, right? And then, you know, Put my time in with the wife and then I go downstairs and yeah, I'm playing on Portal or on Steam Deck. I'm playing a great game on Steam Deck right now. Playing a game on Steam Deck. Playing great, A couple Great Games on PlayStation. I started last night too. I want to talk to you about one of them.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Anyways, I mean I want to talk to you about them all, you know, playing these games and then yeah, raw's on the tv. Right. And so it is that like I'm checking in, doing whatever but pause, catch the thing. Because I did that the Friday night I finally watched George A. Romero's Resident Evil. Oh documentary. It was good. I mean it's very much from the fan perspective where it is like George Ramirez, the best director of all time, but it was still interesting while I played the Steam Deck game and I was like, aha, what a nice little life. You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So I understand that. I understand they're doing the magic and do the thing.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I hope, I hope you know, I can maintain this, this magic forever. You know what I mean?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I'll be interested how long magic sticks around for you, but I'll of course be more interested to hear your thoughts and opinions on the day's news because this almost lost it there. Reached for the chair and missed it. Almost fucking bid it. It's Kinda Funny Games daily. Each and every weekday on a variety of platforms, we run you through the nerdy video game news you need to know about Live on Twitch, YouTube and podcast services around the globe. If you love that, pick up a kinda funny membership. $10 gets you all of our shows. That's more than 20 a week ad free. And of course it gets you the ability to get me and a daily dose of me in the car called Greg Way each and every weekday. If you get it on Patreon or you get it on YouTube, of course you also get to watch the afternoon podcast live as we record them. Today of course is the Kinda Funny Podcast. It is the reunion of the core four. Later this week we are kicking off Alien in Review, which I'm very excited for. Lots of cool things for members, of course. Pick up your membership YouTube.com kindafunnygames patreon.com kinda funny and now Spotify and Apple podcasts. Even if you don't want to get the membership on Spotify, you can watch all of our podcasts there because they are video and shout out to Spotify for promoting us.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, they're promoting us.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I started getting the thing yesterday of like hey yo, I logged into Spotify and you were under the podcast like it's me like. And it said hashtag podcast. I'm like fuck yeah. All right, cool. I digress. No bucks toss our way. No big deal. YouTube.com kindafunnygames Twitch TV kindafunnygames Podcast services around the globe live as we record the show each and every weekday or later on YouTube.com kindafundgamesandpodcast services to see what you missed. Remember we're an 11 person business all about live talk shows after kind of funny games daily you're getting the games cast. This is Tim's Nintendo Switch. Two predictions month by month. Yes, yes.

[Greg Miller]

Can't wait for it. And he's doing it a different way than I did. Of course if you caught yesterday's games cast, it was me going from my launch month of the Switch which I just said was going to be June. Just out of prediction, right? I went from June to June. Tim instead of going from June to June is going from right now.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh yeah. He is going what news we're going to get what news we're going to.

[Greg Miller]

Get leading up to the Switch and then the Switch launch through the rest of the year. So I'm excited to see what he has for that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Paris says where is my water bottle? I'll remind you Paris, the water bottles are up on kind of funny.com store.

[Greg Miller]

Wow. Fucked up.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I just buy him when I got.

[Greg Miller]

He gives us his work weekend.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

He doesn't give it to us, he gives us. He gives it a quite a discounted rate. All right.

[Greg Miller]

He comes here, he reviews Indiana Jones then he re reviews Indiana Jones.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Just desperate.

[Greg Miller]

He's like ah, damn, they hated it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What a flip flop. You know what I mean? We're talking a lot about two faced sons of out there, right? This is one of them.

[Greg Miller]

Don't get me started.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right, I'll leave it. Everybody knows the stream after Gamescast is bless playing Eternal Strains then Mike playing Kingdom Hearts. Hell yeah. Eternal Strains.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. I've been looking forward to this game for a very long time. They announced that it looks very much like a Shadow Colossus meets Zelda meets like I don't even know what else.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Immortals. Phoenix Rising.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Meet the mortals. Phoenix Rising maybe. Yeah. Like it's led up by Mike Laidlaw who formerly was a Bioware and so very much looking forward to it. Can't wait to try it out.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Demo's out today.

[Greg Miller]

Demo's out today.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's what you're playing Great. If you're a Kind of Funny member, you can get today's Greg Way momentarily. I already sent it over to Cool Greg. It is of course do I remember all the dumb shit I say and then tell you to say back to me on Twitter? And of course you get the Kind of Funny podcast this afternoon and tomorrow on YouTube and podcast services. Thank you to our Patreon producers Delaney Twining and Carl Jacobs. Today we're brought to you by Shady Rays and Rocket Money. We'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. Time for some new six items on the Roper Report. Amazon oh, I wasn't prepared for the super fast one. Good job. Number one, NCsoft's Horizon MMORPG has seemingly been cancelled. This is the one, the only, the bald one, Jordan Midler at VGC Super Chat. I need to know on YouTube.com kindafunnygames where you can ride in with your Super Chats to possibly be part of the show, would you have wanted a Horizon mmo? And why or why not? An MMORPG based on the Horizon series has reportedly been canceled. According to South Korean site MTN News, publisher NCsoft has canceled projects being worked on at three studios. Three studios codenamed HJ and Pantera. Ooh, I don't want to be on Pantera.

[Greg Miller]

You don't like Pantera?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'd want to be, I'm saying if I had to be on one of these code named projects. I want to be on Pantera.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, that sounds awesome. Oh, you want to be. I see.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm on Project H. I'm on Project Pantera.

[Greg Miller]

You got me on Pantera. Like oh, you got, you got you on Pantera. Yeah, man. Can't wait for the aliens.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Although the story doesn't give further information on the projects, it's been reported for some time that Project H was the codename for an MMORPG based on Sony's Horizon franchise. Now, according to the report, it seems Project H has ceased development, with developers previously tied to the project leaving NCSoft. It's reported that developers who didn't leave following the cancellation have been moved to different projects across the company. The company signed a strategic global business partnership with Sony Interactive Entertainment in 2023 following reports that Sony and NCsoft had struck a deal to create an MMORPG based on Sony's franchise. Partnering with NCSOFT advances our strategy to expand beyond console and broaden PlayStation's reach to a wider audience, said then SIE boss Jim Ryan. Like SIE, NCsoft shares a similar vision in creating high quality, impactful entertainment experiences for players everywhere. And together we're excited to collaborate to push the boundaries of gaming further. End quote. It's believed that the project may have been a victim of layoffs that took place at the company in October. VGC has contacted NCsoft for clarification. Blessing, this has got to break your heart. We were talking about this the other day.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, it breaks my heart. I'm so sad. No, this is one that I think is fascinating, I guess I will say doesn't break my heart, but does make me sad a little bit because I think, I don't think this would have been a surefire success by any means and we can get into that. But I think there is an interesting prospect there as far as making an MMO in the Horizon world. I think the Horizon world is interesting and like, I do think there are a lot of elements of that world that you know, could translate well to like an explorable, you know, trying to expand that out into something that, where you're, you are discovering like these different tribes and like meeting these different villages and like you know, running quests with friends and having it be a multiplayer thing. The fascinating thing about this story, I think, is the fact that this seems like more of a product of the inner goings of NCSoft as opposed to PlayStation.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I see people freaking out about that in the chat. We already have a super chat from Street Shadow. Just in case this wasn't clear, I read the Korean version of the Horizon MMO cancellation. This was an NCSOFT decision, not Sony. It was a collab project.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Still, I think there's stuff to talk about there as far as Horizon and like how many Horizon projects. What do we want from Horizon?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Let me guess. Maybe it's Erk Imp who writes in and says Horizon mmo. Like wow or eso. No, a Horizon Monster Hunter.

[Greg Miller]

Yes. And that's the thing is, don't get this one confused with the other Horizon.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Guerrilla Co Op, one we've heard about forever.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, there is a Guerrilla Co Op game that has a unique art style that like they put a job posting up for about a year or so ago that seems like it could have Monster Hunter elements. Like, I don't think we know that much yet, but yeah, your fingers crossed and you hope that that's what that is. But even still, you look at that, you look at actual Horizon, you look at VR, Horizon you look at this MMO Horizon, you look at LEGO Horizon, and at what point is it too much Horizon?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think I'll work through the looking glass on that one.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, like we've had. There's been so many greenlit Horizon projects and I am bummed out for teams projects being shut down. Right. Like, it always sucks to see, like, oh man, y'all put in so much work towards this. I'm sure there was a mountain that were excited about this. Right. Like it always sucks to have a project that you're working on shut down because of financial decisions or like they couldn't support it or like you all couldn't find the fund or whatever it is. So that sucks. That said, I do think that this is one that maybe would have been turbulent no matter what, just because of the. The landscape of where we're at with PlayStation multiplayer. And with I think the amount of Horizon that feels like it's now being forced. Right. It doesn't feel as natural. I'm in for a Horizon multiplayer thing, but I'm in for one Horizon multiplayer thing. I don't need multiple.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You can reach back all the way to early. Early PS I love you XOXO days. That checks out. When did Horizon Zero dawn come out?

[Greg Miller]

2017.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. So early. P.S. i love you days with Colin where I remember distinctly we're doing the news and it was one of these articles that was some marketing uppity up at PlayStation talking about how Horizon to them was a transmedia property and all this. And I remember being like, yo, like slow down. Like, do we care about this? Is this going to be big enough? Da da, da. And then of course the game was great. I'm not taking away from the quality of Zero dawn or Forbidden West. Forbidden West. Well, that was the. Yes. And Burning Shores. That's where I was caught up. I'm not taking it away from the quality of the games, but it was like, okay, it was big. But then it has been this rush to mine it over and over and over and over again. And outside of Janet, I really don't know the Horizon faithful diehards who are buying every piece of Horizon merch and every tie in and every crossover and every.

[Greg Miller]

It's just like, I wonder if it is one of those things where they released Horizon Zero Dawn. It was a success, sold a lot of copies, but it was also the perfect new ip. So it was fresh, it had something that had a world involved. Right. Like when I think of something like uncharted for a PlayStation IP, uncharted for me, is about Nathan Drake and his adventures. Horizon, of course, is about Aloy. But there is a world there that I think you could. I could see a business person looking at and going, oh, we can do so many different. And even as we saw.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We saw with this show that never came to be right? Like, okay, we're going to tell the show, but it's going to be the prequel. It's going to be like, all this other stuff and what was going on.

[Greg Miller]

And I wonder if when new PlayStation looks at their most popular IPs and they look at, I guess, what they want to build toward as far as trying to expand based on ip. Right? Because, like, you want to be able to get juice out of these things. You want to be able to, like, you know, have IP built on itself. That's what Nintendo does so well. You have Mario Kart. You have Mario Party. You have Mario Golf sports game. You have so many things that are Mario. You have so many things that are Zelda. You have so many things that are KIRBY. I think PlayStation wants to do that a bit because that is. That is smart business. I think that is how you're supposed to do these things. But I think with Horizon, I almost feel like Horizon was, like, almost thrusted into. All right, you're the prime, like, IP for us to do this with, because you go through. And it is. Well, Spider man is also Marvel.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We got to work with Marvel, their licensing.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly. God of War might be too adult, too mature, and, like, we don't want to. We can't make a Lego game out of. Out of God of War. Yeah. Same thing with Last of Us, right? Maybe even same thing with Ghost of Tsushima. I think Horizon has enough of. This is PG13 slash. We can make this more of a PG thing. It can fit all audiences. It is vibrant. Like, I think they just. They. I think they saw it and got a bit too excited about the amount of things that they could do with Horizon when maybe you needed two or three more IP that had all those things at the same time. So you can, like, spread that love a little bit more.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's where you come down with this MMO game where it's like, you know, I've connected before with DC Universe Online as my mmo, and I like that a lot. So the idea of an ncsoft/PlayStation mmorpg is interesting. Horizons World is interesting, but it would have been like, so am I just. I'm Aloy Lite. I'm Diet Aloy. Like, I'm Not Aloy. So I'm gonna be this character I create, but I'm also using a focus and I'm also doing all the stuff and I'm shooting the bows and I'm doing the things. And it's like, again, the rumored gorilla co op monster hunter, like, Horizon is more interesting because I feel like that strikes me so much like Ghost of Tsushima Legends, where it's going to be a thing of like, oh, cool, let's go off and do this. Let's take on this thing. Let's go that, you know, I mean, like, I don't need the story of my character in this MMORPG foist upon me where I'm like, oh, I'm trying to make. Where am I? I. I'm in the Seattle region or whatever. I don't know what's going on.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. And it's like, I'm just fascinated by the stories that you tell there too. Because I think you could tell really good stories in the Horizon world. But I think the place where I start to worry is the Ship of Theseus argument of, sure. How different is this from Horizon to a point where, like, I still care about it as a Horizon fan.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right.

[Greg Miller]

Like, because in an mmo, I don't expect to play as Aloy. I expect maybe. Maybe be in a different part of the world or a different part of the country.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

The gameplay is going to be different.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Because it'd be cool if it was like, you're over in Europe or something.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, let's put you on a different continent and see how this is all going.

[Greg Miller]

But my thing is how many things can be different until I'm like, okay, the only thing that's left about this, I.e. horizon, is that there are the monsters that are machines. And is that enough to give people what they love about Horizon, or do they love Aloy's story? Do they love Aloy being, like, connected to the origins of, like, this world? I guess. Light spoilers. Right. Of, you know, is that a core part of it? Is the gameplay a core part of it? Right. Her, like, being Aloy and shooting the arrows and looking for those weak spots and, like, stealthing around and chipping off the parts of the machines. I think so much of that stuff is core to the Horizon experience that you remove enough of it and it's like, what was the point of making this Horizon? It's a different thing at this point.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Jumping into a little bit of the super chats here to continue the conversation. Tedious says, as someone who loves lore in game. I would probably have tried the Horizon mmo, quit a weekend, then delved into the wiki lore minds like always. Interesting way to tackle it, but yeah, there's gonna be so much to do, obviously in an amount. Why would you do that? Way DJ Kento writes, and I like this Horizon popularity test. Can anyone in the office name five or even three characters in Horizon other than Aloy?

[Greg Miller]

Laurel Rost. I was gonna say Ross.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Elizabeth Socheck.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Elizabeth Sobeck. Yeah, Socheck. Who is like the Elon Musk guy. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Troy Baker.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, what's his name?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Silence, Silence, silence. I was the late great Lance Reddick. Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Who else? What was his dad?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What was her dad's name?

[Greg Miller]

That was Ross. What was the guy with the beard.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Who had the big hammer?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, him.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Hammer guy.

[Greg Miller]

Hammer guy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, lady from Matrix.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Carrie Ann Moss.

[Greg Miller]

Carrie Ann Moss, Lest we forget. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Maybe the coolest thread that was just like farted out in that thing, like. Okay. I would have really liked to see you do more with this.

[Greg Miller]

I was so upset with that, with that part of Horizon. Forbidden West.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Of course, now we have Parallax coming, you know, from the hit movie Green Lantern. Just there's this cloud enemy that's coming.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, yes. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Cloud enemy that's coming.

[Greg Miller]

Not even a guy. It's just a cloud.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You say Varl. Varal was the one.

[Greg Miller]

I said Varl. Yeah, that was the first one. I said. That was at least five. Right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We got pretty. We had four. We had solid four.

[Greg Miller]

We had a solid four characters. We did it. Good job, guys. Angel of Bassett.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I remember that. What a weird game. What a weird game that sequel was. It was fun. It was great. I enjoyed it. But it's like, it's such a sequel to number one.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, don't get me wrong, it's more technically impressive and beautiful, but it's such a sequel that it's just such a blur of it all running together. You're like, yeah, Angela Bassett. I forgot all about Carrie.

[Greg Miller]

And like, I'll be in, to be honest. Right. I think the things that I. If I'm to talk about the things I love about Horizon, I don't think the characters are necessarily like the number one or two for me. It is like the style and presentation of it, which I know is a bit superficial, but it's true. Right. Like, I think those machines are cool as hell. I think a world, a post apocalyptic world that has these machine monsters that are roaming the land and has taken everything over. That's a cool ass concept and I think, I think they nail that part of it. I think the gameplay is fun. I really like the bow and arrow and like the different arrows and all that stuff. Like I think that's like exploring the open world. That stuff is the stuff that gets me in first. And then I do like the story.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Which one missed an easy one. Oh, beta.

[Greg Miller]

Damn.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Let's forget beta.

[Greg Miller]

Forgot all about beta.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You could. I'm gonna forget everything. Do this as a kind of shootout. Do this as a kind of shooter eventually.

[Greg Miller]

But yeah, like when I list the things that I love about Horizon and like I think the story is parts of the story I love. I think there are really cool reveals in the story. But overall, like when I'm talking about the beat to beat of the story.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Cameron Kennedy, they named the same lady three times.

[Greg Miller]

But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you're right. Horizon's a, Horizon's a weird one. And like I can't wait for the next game because I hope the next game like the next mainline Horizon because I do hope it wraps it up and then we move on to the next thing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think it will and I hope and I think what it really needs to do is shake it up and be different. Horizon Forbidden west being so similar and again I'm being loose with this but in terms of like gameplay and what we were doing in look like the fact that I think what they tease for the next one should be crazy. Yeah. Again, these games are all fun, these games are all enjoyable but I think what we're talking about is what separates a somewhere in the eights from somewhere in the nines.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Where you're like, oh yeah, like this is I'm rocking for this game. I enjoyed the hell out of those games. I'll be excited for the third one but I'm not sitting here being like I won't be talking about the last of us's story or something. Yeah, we're God of War.

[Greg Miller]

Would you have wanted a Horizon mmo? Super chat question.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh no, I would have, I would have been excited to see what this looks like. I from, from the outside hearing about it, being a PlayStation guy liking Horizon, I would be interested to see what you do with that to make that unique and cool and whatever. I'd be super interested to see what a even though it's not strictly them an MMO from PlayStation looks like.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

How do you do a PlayStation 2025? I I How do you do an MMO on Twitch.

[Greg Miller]

I know we talked about God of war a few kids ago and about how, like, nobody wants a life service God of war thing. Yeah, I would prefer a God of war MMO than a Horizon.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Really?

[Greg Miller]

I think there's something. I think there's something. At least, I think that world is interesting. Yeah, like their version of mythology.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think all of these, the. The things that are similar here, I think these worlds are interesting through the eyes of the protagonist, through the eyes of Aloy, through the eyes of Kratos, slash Atreus or whatever. Like, I don't like, take away the Atreus and Kratos. I don't really want to wander around that world and get missions from fucking Thor. Yeah, exactly.

[Greg Miller]

Whatever.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And run off and do the other thing and not have powers or get powers or whatever. This is interesting thread to pull on as I choke up. Joe writes in and says Horizon has released two games in a LEGO spin off. We get a new Yakuza every year. I love Horizon, but balking at it being too present feels wrong. My interesting argument, I love to get into it and I respect you, Joe. My counter argument is every time there's a new Yakuza game, Roger freaks out. People online freak out. Like, that is a fan base that is saying, give us as much as possible. Give us more, give us more, give us more, give us more. Whereas Horizon feels when we're talking about a LEGO game, when we're talking about a TV show, we're talking about all these different things that feels so manufactured. That feels like PlayStation telling us, you, oh, we've heard you. You want more. And I'm like, but have we. Have the masses been saying they want more? I want more of the core game. I want to finish the trilogy. I want to see where we're going with this. But I'm not sitting there going, oh, man, I can't wait for just anything. Horizon.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay, fine. Good enough. That was fun. I mean, Street Shadows coming with a very similar one. There have been three Horizon games released so far. There is a perceived notion that it's too much. What about Mario?

[Greg Miller]

You see your.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think the problem is we know too much about Inside Baseball, about the IP development.

[Greg Miller]

I don't want to hear.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think Mario, I mean, again, I respect it, but come on. Come on, Mario. Like a game that is on the short list for game of the year every time it's out. A game that revolutionizes itself. The game that, like, made video games what they are.

[Greg Miller]

We're saying there's listen aloy Mario. Who could tell the difference? They're in the same level in my mind now.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Fair enough, fair enough. Let's stay in the PlayStation state of mind and move on to story number two. Ben Studio Dev says, quote we still plan on creating cool shit. End quote. After Sony Live service Cancellation this is Wesley Yinpool at IGN Super Chat Question what do you want to see next from Sony Bend, the developer of Days Gone has said it still plans to create cool shit after parent company Sony canceled its unannounced live service game. Last week, Sony canceled two unannounced live service games that were in development at Bend Studio and bluepoint Games. The bluepoint game was reportedly a live service God of War game. According to Bloomberg's Jason Schreier, Bend's studio live service game remains unknown. A Sony Perks spokesperson confirmed that cancellations to Bloomberg, adding that neither studio will be closed and it will work with each to determine its next projects. In a tweet, SonyBend community manager Kevin McAllister issued a short message to the developer fans, quote, thanks for the love and support, everyone, especially to those who have reached out. P.S. we still plan on creating cool shit. As it stands, Sony Ben's last release was 2019's Days Gone on PlayStation 4. It launched on PC in 2021.

[Greg Miller]

Cool. You know what's cool?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Siphon Filter is cool. Listen, they're not moving the story of Metal Gear forward. Give me a new Siphon filter.

[Greg Miller]

Do it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Let's go.

[Greg Miller]

I think that's the answer. I hope that's the answer. I hope you know if. I hope that's the answer. Oh, something that is. Siphon Filter Vibes is the answer. Because I feel like that would fill out well in the PlayStation 100.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I agree with that.

[Greg Miller]

I need. I need something that's just like pulp action or like espionage.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Can you wait for Fizzant?

[Greg Miller]

No, because that's so far away. Most likely, right? Like we're talking about, oh, we're gonna.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Get 23, we're God out. Then we're into physics territory three games away.

[Greg Miller]

That's gonna be the PS6. I'm gonna be at least 35, maybe have a child or two, you know, like, listen, I can't. I can't. Oh, what's it on purpose?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sorry, my bad.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I'm sorry. But yeah, no, I mean, like, I'm. I really do hope for the best for Ben Studio as far as like, putting out their next project and what that is. Because, like, we need a hero. Like, we need I think it'd be really nice to see a PlayStation first party studio give us that same feel put on game first of all. Yeah, but give us that same feeling of when Gorilla put out Horizon or when Sucker Punch put out Ghost of Tsushima. Right. Like I miss that feeling. We got that so much toward the end of the PS4 generation. I feel like Ben still has that in them.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I'll be interested. Obviously, we wish the best for all these people. As I said, when this happens, my money is on Sony Ben getting closed. Not because of a lack of talent, not because something's wrong with that studio. I just think as PlayStation continues to watch the bottom line do this thing. What's. How do we make this all work? I feel like Sony Ben and bluepoint are in dangerous waters. They are on thin ice here again as we talked at length about last week. Not because of themselves. Right. They tried to answer the call of PlayStation Wanting Live service idols, but I think that didn't work. And now Sony Ben's there and what are they gonna move to? How long will that take to mobilize them again? Blue Point, I think you can toss. All right. Remaster this game. Do this. We have a. There's. We can immediately give you a project to get you going, to get you out the door with something. Whereas with Sony Bend, I think you assume it's from the ground up. I'm sure they've had other ideas and maybe something else was in pre pro, yada yada yada. But I worry about how long PlayStation lets them gestate on it. And even if it is that you gestate on it and get down the line. And guess what? That one also isn't up to snuff for whatever reason.

[Greg Miller]

PlayStation says thinking about the most like boring slash unexciting answer to this. What are the chances you think from Blue Point we get a Uncharted 1 remake and from Bend we get a new Uncharted game?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I would say you're more likely to get the remake from Blue Point. Yeah, I think.

[Greg Miller]

I think that was the thing that was like reported that's kicked around forever.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right. So you figure yeah, that would be whatever again to what Shu was talking about in his interview last week with me. Right. Of like these remakes, remasters are what pays the bills to keep them making other things. So I could easily see that being the switch flipped. Whereas again, Sony Ben go make it Uncharted like I just feel like we saw that not work out well for them with Golden Abyss where it Was. I mean, the Golden Abyss biggest knock is that it was fun. But it's not Uncharted, Right. It's not a Naughty Dog. And so I feel like unless they were ready to be like, sony, Ben, go make the new Uncharted. And you are the Uncharted studio from here on. This is the official Uncharted. Naughty Dogs never coming back to it. It's now your thing with your new protagonist. New stuff, sure, but it would be the exact same thing. You launch Uncharted, the new age or whatever, and everybody's gonna be like, oh, it's good. But it's not Uncharted for good. It's not Naughty Dog good. It's not Neil Druckmann good. And you just have this shadow looming over you in a way I think sucks. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I want that studio to have something.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I do too. I do too. A lot of great people up at Sony Bend, like, I'd like them to be able to make a game, but the fates, they say no. They say no, you should not be able to do this one. Let's see what's going on here. Super chats on this one, right? DJ Kento says, do you think the game Black State might fill that? Metal Gear Solid, weird sci fi spy espionage void. Really curious how kind of funny staff reacts to it. I don't remember Black State.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Was this one of the ones that was, like, one of, like, the really graphically, like, crazy games that we watch?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Kevin, can I see a trailer for Black State?

[Greg Miller]

Because I don't recall Black State off the top of my head. Oh, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Based on Blessings Reaction.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, I don't think he's gonna feel like a boy.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. No, I think this is one of the ones that, like, me and Andy might have reacted to a while ago, like, sometime last year. And it was like Metal Gear meets Portal is how IGN put it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, these kind of games, I always.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Studio Black State.

[Greg Miller]

I always feel like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, I feel like a tech demo. Yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

You never know until it actually comes out is my thing. Like, for me, it is the same thing of a stellar blade or a black myth Wukong, where you watch the trailer and you're like, oh, that looks fantastic. Or that looks like the best thing ever. And then you play and you're like, oh, it's just another video game. Which is cool, right? Like. But yeah, like, this is such a tech demo slash. Like, I mean, this is one of those.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, and I'm not trying to insult them at all, but again, looking at it it. And I, I'm not trying to insult them, but this is insulting. This would be one of those. You could show me and be like, we told AI to make a game and they made this.

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I'm like, cool. Yeah. I can tell because everything looks sterile. This looks like generic video.

[Greg Miller]

Somebody in chat says, where's the sauce? And I think that's like maybe the best way to put it. But it looks cool in the sense that like, you can open doors. You can open doors and guess what? Different things are in the doors. Yeah, the fidelity looks good. Looks good.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We will watch Black State along with a bunch of other stuff as we continue on our way. Because of course, this is kind of funny. Games Daily. Each and every weekday, we run you through the nerdy video game news you need to know about live. And we can only do it because of our members. That's right. If you love this show and like listening in, like listening to me blow my nose. I'm sorry, kebabs. I saw you complain about it. You should get a kind of Funny membership. $10 gets you all the shows ad free. The ability to watch us record the afternoon podcast like today's Kinda Funny Podcast live. And of course, your daily dose of me, Greg Miller in a series I call Greg Way. But right now you're not using your membership benefits that maybe you got on YouTube.com kindafunnygames maybe you got on patreon.com kindafunny maybe you got on Spotify. Maybe you got an apple. So here's a word from our sponsor.

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Number three Mexico tariffs could lead to fewer physical game releases and increased software prices this is Tom Ivan of vgc. A proposed tariff on imports from Mexico to the US could result in fewer physical game releases and higher software prices. That's according to Matt Piscatella, executive director of video games at market research firm Circana, who was reacting to tariff threats made this week by new US President Donald Trump. I like how he says reacting to tariff threats made this week. Tariff threats made in the first three hours of being in office after being sworn into the office on Monday, Trump said his administration was reviewing existing trade with neighbors Canada and Mexico as well as China. He said he was considering imposing 25% duties on imports from Canada and Mexico on February 1st over illegal immigrants and fentanyl crossing into the U.S. reuters reports. With 25% tariffs on imports from Mexico on the way, I can see a sharp downtick in the number of disc based games that get released physically in the US as much of that production infrastructure is in Mexico, piscatello wrote on Blue Sky. If disc based games do get made, the analyst said he expects increased prices for both physical and digital titles. Quote I would were this to happen. Anticipate digital suggested retail price to increase, to remain. To increase. To remain at price parity with physical. But who knows? In any case, none of this is good for the physical video game market, end quote. It's about to get expensive, about to get real expensive. You know, this is one of the big conversations obviously with the Switch we were talking about, right? Of like, okay, cool, it's you're announcing this, but what's the price going to be? Well, what's going to the price going to be if all of this actually happens. Right. And that was before Trump once again said it yesterday upon entering the Oval Office.

[Greg Miller]

So yeah, this is one that like obviously, or not obviously, but this is one that is over my head a bit as far as how to like analyze this and talk about it because I am not a political person. Like I'm not, you know, as in tune with tariffs and how they work and all this shit and like how that shit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

But it does concern me as far as like the success of video games, the accessibility of video games, right. Like if software goes up, if physical games go up, if hardware also goes up in price, right. Like are as Nintendo, as PlayStation is Microsoft, right. Especially Nintendo releasing a new console, are you, are you going to be able to price that at a place where that can be a success with these tariffs happening? That's sort of where my mind goes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

With this stuff, 100%. I think that is the reality of this. And again with President Trump, lots of times it's posturing, it doesn't actually happen. Even this where it was like he's signing the executive orders and people are asking him, he's like, yeah, we're thinking about putting it into place in February. It's like he thought about a lot of things for his total of four years, let alone to get to this point. So does it actually happen on February 1st? Nobody knows. But it is a real threat, it is a real concern and it really would, I think, impact video games quite dramatically.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I think, of course, yeah, you know, tariffs were such a big part of the election. Talking about them coming in, right. Where do people understand what they really are and da, da, da. Obviously the idea of a tariff is to push manufacturing back to America or push products back to America, right. In terms of rather than buy your lumber from Canada, buy your lumber from America because it'll be cheaper in America than it will be from Canada. The problem with all of this, and you can, especially in Matt in some of his follow up, Blue Skies brought this up when somebody asked about, well, couldn't this just bring disc manufacturing back to America? And he's like, I mean, no, but yeah, let's investigate that for a second. Right now I'm going away from Matt. Just talking about Greg. Right? You're talking about an infrastructure plan that doesn't exist.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So to get any of this spun up, you're talking about years. I mean, probably before Trump, Trump is even. I mean, probably after Trump's out of office. Right. I mean, he's done with his next four years if he decides to leave. It's this idea that, like, you're not going to be able to make a manufacturing pipeline in America to do this in the same way, let alone. Let's talk about this specific instance where physical games are dying and have been dying. So why would anyone commit to it? You would hope as the consumer, and this sucks for people who like to collect physical games as the consumer, that you would say, okay, well, fuck physical. Just make it all digital, keep the prices where they are. But again, this is all thing where all of these companies that make video games we have seen day and day and day and time and time and time, week and week, week, year, year, year, are just trying to make as much fucking money as possible. And I assure you that everyone in America, every one of these corporations that deals with here are on one hand, fuck, this sucks. But on the other hand, excited that they get to, hey, we can increase our prices and people can't get mad at us anymore. It's tariffs. Yeah, you're. But you're this company, you don't even. Oh, but our supplier on this end does use that. So this is why it's going up. Everything's going to go up because they have a green light. Suddenly be like, oh, fucking tariffs. I'm sorry, it sucks. This is what it is.

[Greg Miller]

Now there's a story in the last week about how an analyst was talking about how GTA 6 coming out and possibly being more expensive is exciting for certain companies that are like, oh, shit, okay, if, if GTA 6 comes out and is, let's say $100, man, that then opens up things for us. Right? Like, you know, that is, people are waiting for that moment to be able to push that price up and like be able to justify the amount of money it's taking to either make these games or just the amount of money that people want in general.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right.

[Greg Miller]

If you're higher up and trying to like increase shareholder stuff. Right. Like that is a thing that people are waiting for. It seems like we're in this place of, you know, wait for the right time and once, once the time is right, boom. Like video games will be $90, $100 to buy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

How much did shit go up during COVID and then just never came back down.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You know what I mean? These would be so cheap to fly to la. Not anymore. And it never will be again. Like, great. Cool. That sucks. Kevin, what do you say?

[D]

Oh, I was just gonna say like a great example is Apple being like, hey, we're not gonna have the plug.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Anymore, you know, oh, Lightning plug. We're gonna go usbc.

[D]

No, no, I mean the, like the, the. You get the wire still, but you don't get the little box that plugs into the outlet.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, so.

[D]

And like so many other companies, all of them pretty much are like, oh great. Yeah, we all also are not including the plug. And like now if you buy a phone, like my, my last phone, Pixel 9 didn't come with an AC Dock and it's like, that's how it is.

[Greg Miller]

And it's like cool, normalized.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yep. So we will wait and see how this goes. But yeah, there is this whole domino effect of what is this going to do to games in, you know, Matt talking, of course and being. If you're not following Matt on whatever you follow, go follow him because he's so insightful. And yeah, here's the Circana numbers, but here's what they mean. Here's why this is happening.

[Greg Miller]

Is he the CEO of Circana or like he's like, he's their front.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, he's the front facing guy. What's his official title? It's in this thing. Executive Director of Video Games at Market Research Film Circana, which used to be mpd.

[Greg Miller]

And anytime I, anytime I, I form opinions around like numbers or anything, I try to base it off of what Matt is tweeting because he is the person that is most in the know when it comes to these things. So he's a very valuable follow.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It could be. Did I miss news or something? Not for today. But something in the chat went by and was like, speaking of Montreal, Poor Compulsion Games and South of Midnight.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, I missed this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's. I don't know if anything actually happened or if that was just because their Twitter account is still very much about the developer direct tomorrow. I don't know. Why are we saying poor them? What happened to them is something happened. Lickershead says, I applied at Circana once, but Matt Piscatella ghosted me. Lmao. I'll point out that I was once behind him at the. What is it? The Lowry's Carvery Cravery, whatever it was, next to LA Live. And he ghosted me right there. Didn't acknowledge me. You know what I mean? And then he tweeted me immediately afterwards, and I was like, it's too late, Matt. We're enemies now. But I love you and I love roast beef sandwiches, so I'll be there again. Can I get a Google Is. Did the Carvery Cravery. Lawry's Carvery Cravery?

[D]

How am I supposed to do this? How am I supposed to.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

He's a horizontal Clovery.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[D]

Also, Greg, did you do that thing where you yelled Matt really hard?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No.

[D]

Scared him a little.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, no, no. Yeah, I Googled talking to somebody important.

[Greg Miller]

I Googled compulsion, and then I Googled Montreal. And all that's coming up is hockey.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right, then. I'm sure we're fine. It's just. Whatever.

[D]

I still don't know.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, here we go.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It closed, everybody.

[Greg Miller]

It's really cold in Montreal right now. Over 35,000 Montreal homes are without electricity as temperatures plummet.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Understood.

[D]

Our world's falling apart.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, everything's falling apart.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's so cold in San Francisco. But not, like, real cold like that.

[Greg Miller]

No.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, but it was cold for us. And then. Yeah, it's been the whole thing of, like, Kansas City. I saw Reb Valentine putting up, like, negative 7 or something in KC or whatever.

[Greg Miller]

There's also fires in LA. No, I never.

[D]

Yeah, I don't think they have them fully handled, but I think that, like. No, like, the houses have stopped burning that, like. But, like. Like a giant, like, amount of houses are gone.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. I kept waiting for people to be like, oh, thank God the fires are done. I just never. It never came, so I just assumed. It's still perpetually on fire.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Makes sense. First off, of course, that's because climate change is real. Don't be an idiot. Yep. And then over here, I am on Lawry's online dot com. Lawry's Carvery, Louisiana Live, is closed. Thank you for your loyalty over the years. I don't have a date because this is. They put up an FAQ page about this, which is pretty insane.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Is he talking about, where will I go for my prime rib?

[Greg Miller]

The answer is food.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Lawry's has five other Southern California restaurants that all serve our famous Lawry's Prime Rib.

[D]

Wait, you were talking about food the whole time?

[Greg Miller]

He was talking about a restaurant? You wanted to.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

This is where Map Piscatella.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, he wanted to look up big time. He.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Big time me.

[Greg Miller]

Lawry's cream.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Carvery.

[Greg Miller]

Lawry's or Lowry's? Like, is it O?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's L. A. It's like the seasoned salt, which I know you don't.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, no, I would sometimes, you know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You bring out lorry season salt.

[Greg Miller]

No, I don't.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I digress. Number four. Good news. Also relate. What?

[D]

Oh, no, there are still two.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Greg Miller]

Okay. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Number four. Marvel Snap is back. We have a tweet from second dinner who said the developer Marvel Snap is back online in the US but to make sure this never happens again, we're working to bring more services in house and partner with a new publisher. This is the start of a new era for Marvel Snap. We know this probably leaves you with even more questions than answers. We appreciate your patience, but in the meantime, enjoy playing Marvel Snap. We'll continue to update with more information as soon as possible. Of course, when TikTok got banned over the weekend, second dinner also went down with Marvel Snap because of being owned by the same parent company that owns TikTok. Same thing with cap cut. And there's one other one I thought I was forgetting.

[Greg Miller]

Eight something. Eight.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Eight.

[Greg Miller]

Lemonade. Lemonade.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Gotcha.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Of course, this took Marvel Snap by surprise. They weren't expecting to be part of this. And so it's been a mad dash through this now trying to find a new publisher. Also trying to figure out. I saw when this tweet went up yesterday, a second dinner in the comments, responding as much as they could, and people were like, when's it coming back to the App Store? Like, we're working momentarily, so maybe that's already up. But it's like, talk about chaos and insanity. And then you feel for these developers who are just making their game and then all of a sudden caught up in this.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah. I could imagine, like if magic. The magic arena went down right now.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Come on.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, man, oh, man. I would be protesting on the front lines. But also, has there been a scenario and this might be for chat, right? Or like you, if you remember, of like a developer being like, yeah, we're looking for a new publisher. It's like straight out coming out like a day after a thing happened and being like, yeah, we're in the process of looking for a new publisher. That seems wild.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That, like, I don't think that's unheard of.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, especially with closures and people winding things down and yada, yada, yada. No, I Think that's pretty not common. But like in this kind of scenario, I think the big thing here of course is again, you can go fuck with whatever little app and nobody cares. You fuck with an app that's got Disney behind it.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, hold up.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The fuck we're fixing.

[Greg Miller]

Because that's what I start connecting that of like I guess my brain was. My brain immediately went oh damn. Like the publisher usually has like a certain power like to be able to go, we're going to look for a different publisher while you still have your publisher. I don't get the fear of like what if you don't find another publisher? Then you're stuck with this one. And like are you kind of fucking yourself by saying this? But to your point, yeah, like it's Marvel. Snap. And so I'm sure Marvel and Disney are also like, oh yeah, no, we're going to find like we're going to find a different publisher.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I feel like honestly it's even the Chinese publisher who names escapes me. You talked about it yesterday. Dance bytedance. Thank you so much. Even bytedance would be like, yeah, we want to make sure we keep making money off of this. So let's get a new publisher. And I'm sure they're going to get paid out whatever they're going to get paid out to do that to switch the rights or become a minority share or whatever. So they're still getting money from this deal. Blah blah, blah blah blah. Yeah, go get them. Good luck. What a crazy time. What a crazy time.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's not for games day but yesterday the whole shit at the inauguration. Fucking wild.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What a crazy time to be sick of living through all of this. Number five. Microsoft has announced a special edition Xbox controller. Xbox UK tweets. This one will get your heart racing. Introducing the wireless Xbox or Xbox Wireless controller Pulse Cipher Special edition. If you are an audio listener, it's another one of those hot see through controllers like the old gamecube days or N64 days I should say, except it's red. I have the clear one and I adore it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I'll be honest. I'm gonna.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Tim has the blue one. This red one's cool.

[Greg Miller]

Red is my favorite color but for some reason I looked at this and I. I'm not feeling it. For some reason.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's because you got the cool kind of funny 10 controller.

[Greg Miller]

That is true. Yeah, I got the kind of funny 10 controller. But shout out to Xbox for always making controllers. They what you will bought Xbox they put out a controller.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They do, yeah. They're making sure Gary Whitta's daughter will never go to college. You know what I mean? He's spending all his money on Xbox controllers that he doesn't use because he just sits there and plays Helldivers on a PC. I think it's hot. You don't like it? You don't think it's hot?

[Greg Miller]

You know what? The more I look at it, it is growing on me. I think at first I was kind of like the. The. What do they call it when it's see through? Not luminescent. No, there's a word.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Translucent.

[Greg Miller]

Translucent. Thank you. The translucent controllers, I think, don't really speak to me as much anymore, even though I loved mine as a kid. Like, I had the. The purple N64. Translucent.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, as a kid.

[Greg Miller]

But I think. I don't know, at my current age, I look at these and I'm like.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't know my current age.

[Greg Miller]

You know, as a refined adult, as a refined gentleman. Like, give me a solid color.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Fair enough. Controller coming out February 4th. It'll be 74.99.

[Greg Miller]

All my controller to come with, like, instructions on my taxes, you know, like, tell me how to file.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Please don't get them.

[Greg Miller]

If I can control TurboTax taxes, my Xbox controller. That's what.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's why you need the mouse. How is the mouse? What's the mouse percentage at right now?

[Greg Miller]

I mean, it's still working. I don't know how to check, but it's working.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay. Well, the fact that your mouse is working is big news.

[Greg Miller]

Huge.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But I want smaller news blessing. Where should I go to get that?

[Greg Miller]

You'd go to our last news story, the WE News channel, where we cover all the small news items you need to know about.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Number six, WE News from vgc. EA has announced it will be shutting down its Origin service on PC and Mac and that players with 32 bit operating systems will lose access to their libraries if they don't upgrade. In a pair of statements posted on its EA help support page, the publisher informs players that Origin will be terminated on April 17 for both PC and Mac users. Shocking surprise. It's limped on this long.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, Origin.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, Origin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I think you're talking about PCs. Shocking that something's going wrong on a PC.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, I mean, you know, can't. Can't be stopped. These again. I. I don't need to rant against corporations, I guess again with all their goddamn. We. We want to own it. Just put it on Steam. Just put it on Steam. Just make the money. Put the goddamn money with Valve. You should have done this a long time ago. You didn't. Number bullet point two. And we news we have new games coming to Game Pass. January 21st, it's Lonely Mountain Snow Riders, the sequel to the first Lonely Mountain. January 22nd, it's gigantic Rampage Edition and Starbound. January 28th, it's Eternal Strands, the demo you're about to play on the stream. And Orcs Must die. Death Trap. January 29th, it's shady part of me. January 30th, it's Sniper Elite Resistance. January 31st, it is Citizen Sleeper 2. Star Ward Vector. Of course. Andy previewed that not long ago on a games daily. Loved it. And he loves Citizen Sleeper 1. So don't sleep on it. February 4th, Far Cry New dawn comes. Continuing. Balacho has sold over 5 million units. Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader sells top sales. Top 1 million. Which one's that?

[Greg Miller]

I don't know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

How many goddamn Warhammer games.

[Greg Miller]

A million.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You want to talk about. You want to talk about another Yakuza fan base?

[Greg Miller]

Oh yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Rahul Kohli and these fucking Warhammer.

[Greg Miller]

I did have a conversation with somebody who works in this street and also is a big Warhammer person.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And they told me the reason why there's so many Warhammer games. I'm honest, I forgot what they called me. I think it was something along the lines of like, basically they're very easy to license and like there's something about the splits on the games, like financially, where it's very beneficial to the developer to put out a Warhammer game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Got it.

[Greg Miller]

I forget the exact details though, so I'm sorry about that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's fine, Grandma. No Grandma. No launches on PC this year. And that's it for WE news.

[Greg Miller]

I looked up Shady. Part of me looks really cool actually.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What is this?

[Greg Miller]

It's like a indie. It was one of the games I was in. Like the Xbox game pass thing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Throw it over to Kev.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, Kev. I'll send this to you and assets.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

While you do that, of course I will check in on the super chats. Of course. We have a whole bunch of them here. Thank you so much for talking. You know, you could have been more on task. Probably with the articles would have gone. It doesn't matter. Aaron Lowe says Thursday's show, you guys talked about gaming while pooping. It took me a year and a half to play Final Fantasy 8 Remastered on Switch exclusively. While pooping.

[Greg Miller]

Exclusively.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[D]

Bless. Are you sending that to me, because I'm not at my computer, so. You should send that to Assets.

[Greg Miller]

Yes, I. I'm sending it to Assets. I just dropped it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sorry.

[D]

Sorry. It didn't pop till right this second.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Trevor says, I can't express how happy I am of the magic, the gathering taking hold of. Kind of funny. It's lovely. Yeah, it is lovely. I wish I had more time to be into it like you do, but I, like.

[Greg Miller]

I wish you had more time to. Because I think there's something. I think there's something there. I guess I could see it taking over your life as well. Maybe not taking over your life because you have a family.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Like, that's what's keeping me from being as deep as you are.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Well, we gotta, like. I think we gotta find more work reasons to play it. Like, make more streams.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sure. Mike is just in our way, as always. Looks creepy.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. It's like a. So this is shady part of me. It's an indie. I'll say. Like puzzle platformer with a unique art style where you're playing as a girl. You can't really see her face. It's, like, all hair. And there's, like, some. A lot of creepy going on, so. With shadows, too. Like, it seems like shadows are a big part of it. You see the shadow in the background. Weird stuff, but it looks cool. I'd play this shady part of me. Yeah.

[D]

Okay. So that makes sense why there's so much shadow stuff.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Another off topic. Super chat. But on topic, because they haven't on the show, Sergio writes in and says, greg, you're pronouncing George A. Romero wrong. Of course. This is me now editorializing. I love George A. Romero movies. I'm a zombie super fan, yada, yada, yada. But this is one of those problems of when you're alone in your basement watching dawn of the Dead over and over again and talking to your friends about it and reading Fangoria and seeing in there, no one's saying it. So it's that thing where I can't, in my head, switch it anymore. I don't. You know what I mean? Because he is pointing out, of course it's. I'm putting an A in there where there's no A. Right? It's row meh row, George row. But it's like there's no.

[Greg Miller]

I'm dropping.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm dropping A's in, like, rub Mero. And I get it, and I hear you and I understand it, and I've known that for years as A fan. But I can't stop. I am stupid. But I appreciate you trying to stop me. Mispronounced so many. Let's talk about man. There's Santa's up on the roof. I can't help you. That's how I say it. I'm sorry.

[Greg Miller]

Rough. Yeah, but that's Midwest.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Come on. My pastor used to say rough.

[D]

Come on.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Just like whenever.

[Greg Miller]

That's how white. You said the Midwest.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You said it too earlier when you Mario.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, but that's a new thing I'm doing for 2025.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, I like that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that was from the. Me and Mike did the top 50 games from I think Rolling Stone.

[D]

You gotta stop letting him influence you.

[Greg Miller]

No, but that was a mic influencing me. That's just a thing that I wanted to start doing.

[D]

We had a walk away from that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mike let Mike, he's got a mic. Mr. Straight Fire has a super chat. That's a longer topic. Maybe. Is it me or is PlayStation 5's lack of single player games a bit overblown? These were released in the past. Release past. The five year mark of PS4. Detroit Become Human, Spider Man, God of War. Shadow Classes. Death Stranding the Last of Us, Part two. Ghost and Miles. Thanks. Those are all. That's all true. I mean Miles of course was a cross gen thing. Like that's not act like that was selling PS5 but it's also the fact that I feel like so many of those we knew were coming again. This goes back to the conversation from last week of just being on this road and it's all dark in front of us. We don't know what's coming.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, cool.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Cobra writes in with a thumbs up for Eternal Strands demo for a game called Eternal Strands. Came out today. Really fun if you like action RPGs like Amalur or Dark Sides and you know, Darksiders and you know. I do. I'm Greg Miller. It releases next week and the progress carries over. Bless is about to stream that. So strap in everybody. We're having fun. Chase Ley says Sony should make a card game with all these IPS, dude.

[Greg Miller]

That's what I'm saying. All Stars Battle Row. PlayStation All Stars Battle Card. I'll figure out a different name. But I was thinking about Riot's card game yesterday because they're putting out a card game as well. And it looks. It looks like it plays a lot like magic. And I'm like, man, everybody, let's do it. You know, if you have an ip like it's time I played Disney. Lorcana, guess what? It's fucking great. Like, everybody, let's make it. Let's make a tcg. Let's make a trading card game. Let's make it kind of funny. Tcg.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm in for that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I think. I think it's time.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Everybody get to work on it.

[Greg Miller]

Everybody get to work.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Everybody make a card.

[Greg Miller]

If you own an ip, make a tcg.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, so the kind of funny TCG is us using other people's IPs.

[Greg Miller]

No, we're using our IPs.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You're saying if you own an IP.

[Greg Miller]

Anybody who owns an IP. Disney Marvel. Even though I know Disney is Nickelodeon. I need you to make a card game out of your idea.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

It is time. We're going to make a car. Greg, what does your card do?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Greg's card. Yeah, it does psychic damage. Like it torments you for multiple turns. I like, you know, haunting Tim right now. Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And we're definitely. I mean, for the kind of. Because we only have 11 of us. 11.5 of us. We're definitely going to have to like make multiple versions. So there's going to be Clown. Greg is going to be a different.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, sure. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

[Greg Miller]

There's going to be Tim Ragnarok. You know, there's going to be Johnny Ace. There's going to be all these things.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Exactly. You're going to have Milk Mommy.

[Greg Miller]

Milk Mommy for sure is going to be a card.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Street Shadow Super Chats and says, I put in too many super chats today, but one last one. If you could bring back one PS3 era multiplayer game to live service push, what would it be? I would pick Warhawk. Everybody keeps bringing Warhog.

[Greg Miller]

Warhawk.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

War. I was awesome. I agree. I love Warhawk, but come on.

[Greg Miller]

Live service push. None of them.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, just don't. I don't want to get. You know what I mean? Like, why are we trying to do.

[Greg Miller]

This a different era? None of the. None of them would work today.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I mean, if you had twisted metal resistance, maybe just for like.

[Greg Miller]

A co op shoot.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What if we did Last Guy, but it was like kind of like what's the. The Nintendo when they do like the Tetris Mario.

[Greg Miller]

Like last. Last guy 35.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes, exactly like that.

[Greg Miller]

Last guy 100.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, Mag.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Actually, no, we don't even fucking. The most generic shooter of all time.

[Greg Miller]

It was too ahead of its time. Too ahead of its time.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Looking after all this stuff here.

[Greg Miller]

Ooh. Actually this isn't. I don't think this is PS3 era technically though you can correct me y'all. Ratchet Deadlocked. I don't think it would be successful but it'd be fun like a modern day Ratchet Deadlocked where it is like you are doing a Ratchet multiplayer arena type game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Got it.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Make it like Helldivers but Ratchet.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Rahul writes in and says winter snowstorm hit Houston last night and luckily most of Houston. I'm sorry and luckily most of human Houston has power now I don't have to go in for work so I'm staying. I'm starting at metaphor. Thanks for everything guys. Happy to be there. Stay safe Rahul and everybody else affected by the weather. Caleb says I got my kind of Fun and my kf10 shirt today. Thanks for all you do. That means I should be eating mine today too. That's exciting. Taylor O says read the compulsion comment tariff, domino effect, profit revenue, financial balance, maintaining relationships with players in the US and distributors, etc. Sure.

[Greg Miller]

I believe the tariff is specifically for Mexico like the one that we were reading about.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah but he it was Mexico and Canada he was threatening.

[Greg Miller]

Oh was it 25%? You're right, I missed that then.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But then, then we get into a whole different thing that I'm definitely not versed in. But it would also here's what I would say as a full stop if that's your concern. We are concerned with everyone making a game from for the next four years. Yes, I would say compulsion. I don't think they're printing the game in Canada right. This is a. This is a terraform Hoods. So wherever Xbox is making their discs and putting that out and have we confirmed that that's a disc game or is that just a digital game? It doesn't matter but it's a whole bunch of different stuff going on there. Garrett says favorite breakfast cereals.

[Greg Miller]

I like Frosted Flakes. I know this basic but like I just love me some Frosted Flakes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I like Fruity Pebbles, dry, no milk of course. Interesting and final super chat of course. Thank you for so if you didn't get read but Metal Baby Mario says does blessing consume any magic the gathering content or does he want to be the content?

[Greg Miller]

I want to be the content. I've tried watching some magic content and like the tough thing and like honestly maybe a little hypocritical of me saying I want to be the content is that I don't find the content fun to watch.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Damn.

[Greg Miller]

Like I don't really love watching other people play magic And I say that even though I want to play magic for other people, it's that weird thing of tabletop. I think it's just a tough, like tabletop board games and card games and stuff are. Are tough to translate to. Like I think engaging YouTube content, at least for some people. Right. Like the ones that I saw definitely had views to. To them. So I know there's an audience of that out there. But yeah, I don't have as much fun watching as I do playing Gotcha.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Did you ever watch my Magic the Gathering content? Of course. I was on Spell Slingers. Kevin, I have sent it to you. I was on Spell Slingers. As you can see here. It was me. Day 9 hosted a show 10 years ago on Geek and Sundry when that first launched called Spellslingers.

[Greg Miller]

How come this didn't come up during our magic thing?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, I forgot about it. I completely forgot about this.

[Greg Miller]

This is hilarious.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And then the audience reminded me when I was like, I've never played magic. And they're like, Greg, that's an absolute lie. You played magic with Day nine on Geek and Sundry. And I said, oh, now of course this is one of those reasons I would talk to you about how far magic has come, I think in terms of tutorializing and granted this was a very specific shoot. But when we did our learning, when we first we both learned magic right here. We did the guide step by step. We had to learn. This was literally me being like looking at my cards and then day nine. Or the producer would be like, do you have X, Y and Z? I'm like, I have this. And they put it down like, all right. And then things would. I had no idea what the fuck I was doing. You know what I mean? So whatever. Guess how many views this has.

[Greg Miller]

I'm gonna say said Geek and Sundry.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, this came out July 17, 2014.

[Greg Miller]

2014. It's a Greg Miller video in 2014.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, it's on their channel.

[Greg Miller]

It's on their channel. I'm say 200,000 views.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

675,329.

[Greg Miller]

What if you pivot? What if we pivot? This could be us.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Ladies, gentlemen and envies. That's another episode of Kind of Funny Games Daily in the books, no matter where you consumed it. YouTube, Twitch, podcast services around the globe. Thank you for hanging out. Hopefully you had a good enough time to say, I'm gonna support these jabronis and you go get the Kinda Funny membership over on patreon.com kinda funny YouTube.com kinda funny apple or Spotify if you're just watching on Twitch, like too Familiar, Foxy Steve, maybe you say, you know what? I'm gonna give them Twitch Prime. And remember, if you have Amazon prime, you have Twitch Prime. There's a whole song about it. Up next, of course, is video game talk shows, because that's all we do here. You're getting the games cast where Tim will predict that first year here of the Nintendo Switch 2. Then of course, Blessing is going to stream some of that there eternal Strands. I'm excited to see his playthrough after that. Like I said, if you're kind of funny member kind of funny podcast in the afternoon. But no matter what you're doing, where you go, thank you for supporting us. Please, like subscribe and of course, be good to each other. Until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve.