Microsoft Teases EXPENSIVE Next-Gen Xbox?! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.22.25

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Kinda Funny Games Daily – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Microsoft Teases EXPENSIVE Next-Gen Xbox?!
Date: October 22, 2025
Hosts: Andy Cortez & Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Main Theme: The podcast dives into the biggest stories in gaming, with a major focus on Microsoft’s hints at an “expensive,” premium next-gen Xbox, layoffs and turbulence at Ubisoft, the Remedy CEO exit, notable layoffs in games media, and a rapid-fire batch of smaller news and indie shout-outs.

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Overview

This episode centers on the brewing anticipation and confusion around Microsoft’s next hardware, which is positioned to be uniquely “premium” and costly—potentially shifting the console landscape. The hosts also break down shifting tides at Ubisoft (including new layoffs and project woes), discuss the shakeup at Remedy, and touch on the broader industry contraction with layoffs at TheGamer and elsewhere. The tone alternates between playful banter and deep industry analysis, with a strong throughline of uncertainty about the future for consoles and game companies alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Microsoft Teases a Premium, Expensive Next-Gen Xbox

(Start at 09:48)

• Xbox President Sarah Bond reveals the next Xbox will be a “very premium, high end curated experience.”
  • Quote (Sarah Bond via Mashable):

    "...the next gen console is going to be a very premium, very high end curated experience... You’re starting to see some of the thinking that we have in this handheld [Rog Ally], but I don’t want to give it all away." (12:29)

• The hosts discuss rumored hybrid Xbox/PC console hardware, referencing Bond’s repeated interviews this week and the public messaging “tour” she’s been on.
• Comparison is drawn between Xbox’s former “cheap and approachable” Series S and this new high-cost, high-power direction.
• Both hosts express skepticism about whether going ultra-premium is wise for Xbox, given historical struggles with third place in the console race.
  • Blessing (13:47):

    "I don't really know what that looks like. I'm excited, but also I think there's a high chance that this ends up being just so messy for everybody involved."

  • Andy (17:41):

    "I'm excited in kind of a nervous way. Because I, I, I want the future of Xbox to be bright… But if you… talk about your product being the most premium thing ever, that could win a lot of people over… but are you then kind of going for the masses after that?"

• They question who this console would appeal to: the “masses” or a core, high-budget enthusiast crowd?
• Extended analogies are made to past shifts in technology (e.g., cable TV upgrades) and how the "familiarity" factor is key in broad consumer acceptance.
  • Andy (21:08):

    "...I feel like if Xbox could try to emulate what the others are doing, what people are used to doing... You keep iterating on that software. You keep showing people. Yes, we could have all of your games and all your library in this one spot. And it looks familiar, it's friendly."

Timestamps for Xbox Segment:

• Microsoft teases premium Xbox intro: 09:48
• Hosts’ reactions and business model debate: 12:17–22:49
• Community Q&A about Xbox’s future: 27:18, 31:17, 32:33

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2. Ubisoft in Turmoil: Layoffs & Leadership Shakeups

(35:40–49:43)

• Massive Entertainment (Ubisoft) Layoffs:
  • Ubisoft’s studio behind The Division and Star Wars Outlaws undergoes a “voluntary career transition program”—a soft way of describing layoffs.
  • Andy (37:02):

    “It’s like when they go, hey, what if you don’t? We have a really packed flight. We overbooked. Anybody want to put… give us a number and we’ll…”

• Splinter Cell Remake Loses Another Director:
  • Ubisoft Toronto is once again hiring for a game director, raising concerns about the troubled project:

    "That’s being an NFL player… and being like, on LinkedIn. Looking for a coach." (39:19)

• RedLynx Layoffs, Studio Focus Shift:
  • Up to 60 more staff cut, with the Trials studio pivoting from multi-platform development to mobile/small screen experiences.
  • Hosts are dismayed by another beloved console/PC studio being repositioned for mobile:
    • Blessing (42:18):

      “I hate this so much. …the reframing of this studio to be focused on small, small screens because I assume it’s just a weird way to say mobile. Like, what are we doing here?”

• The hosts lament Ubisoft’s confusion, trend-chasing, and inability to maintain consistent creative direction.
  • They predict further downsizing and question Ubisoft’s future in the Euro-dev ecosystem if a buyout were to happen.

    "It really does seem like just throwing everything at the wall and just hoping that maybe you stumble into a success…" (43:26)

Timestamps for Ubisoft Section:

• Massive Entertainment layoffs: 35:40
• Splinter Cell remake director search: 38:30
• RedLynx layoffs / mobile pivot: 40:45
• Hosts’ analysis & broader implications: 42:20–49:43

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3. Remedy CEO Tero Virtala Steps Down

(49:43–54:26)

• After 9 years, Virtala resigns as CEO; Remedy co-founder Markus Mäki steps in as interim.
• Departure happens as Remedy recognizes a significant (14.9 million euros) financial hit due to underperformance of FBC Firebreak, their multiplayer title.
  • Quote (Summary from Article):

    "Last week Remedy announced it would be addressing its financial outlook for 2025 following weak sales of its first multiplayer title…"

• Hosts debate why FBC Firebreak failed, suggesting its style may have been out of step with player expectations and too different from what Control fans wanted.
  • Blessing (52:56):

    "…you change Control enough and then give it back to your audience and they're going to be like, yeah, but that's not Control. …that's not why I show up for Remedy games, you know?"

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4. Widespread Editorial Layoffs at The Gamer

(54:48–57:15)

• Another wave of media layoffs, with The Gamer’s staff “decimated.”
• Blessing calls out the worrying trend of media contraction, the negative impact of Google and AI on journalism, and how this continues waves of 2025 layoffs across Vox, Polygon, and Valnet.
  • Blessing (57:15):

    "It… is rough out there both I think because of how the landscape has evolved, but then also how AI is taken over and how Google's homepage is I think really bad for a lot of people…"

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5. Rapid-Fire “We News” – Smaller Headlines & Indie Shout-outs

(58:12–65:02)

• Marvel Cosmic Invasion launches Dec 1st, Phoenix and Iron Man revealed.
• Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 3 will be “more concise” due to feedback about previous entries’ length.
• Pocket Pair (PalWorld Studio): Affirms it will not publish AI or Web3/NFT games.
  • Quote (Pocket Pair):

    “We don't believe in it… If you're big on AI stuff or stuff or your game is web3 or uses NFTs… we're not the right partner for that.” (60:40)

• Luigi’s Mansion coming to Nintendo Switch Online Oct 30.
• Pikmin 4 Update: November 2025 (photo mode, new activities).
• Game Pass Announcements: PowerWash Simulator 2, Bounty Star, Super Fantasy Kingdom, Halls of Torment, The Outer Worlds 2, Football Manager 26, and more roll out late October/early November.
• Indie Shout-outs:
  • It’s Not You, It’s Me: 10-minute narrative game about long COVID by a listener (64:33).
  • Katanaut: Metroidvania-action roguelite, overlooked at launch, 52K wishlists but only ~11 peak players.

    “Just wanted to give a shout out to Katanaut … this game looks awesome.” (65:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Microsoft’s “Premium” Xbox:
  • Andy:

    "I'm excited in kind of a nervous way… I want the future of Xbox to be bright." (17:41)

  • Blessing:

    "If you're going to make your next box a $1,000 thing … is it going to be the Xbox PC, or is it going to be … a fucking beefy, powerful ass PC?" (34:01)

• On Ubisoft’s Voluntary Layoffs:
  • Andy:

    “It’s like when they go, hey, what if you don’t? We have a really packed flight…” (37:02)

• On Industry Layoffs:
  • Blessing:

    "Another one as far as where video games media is at… it's been very bad for a lot of the space." (57:15)

• On Pocket Pair and AI stance:
  • Blessing (joking):

    "If we're gonna copy something, we're gonna do it with our bare hands." (61:02)

• On nostalgia for old TV channel guides:
  • Both: Extensive riffing on childhood TV channel line-ups, and how discoverability sometimes came down to a channel’s position. (24:21–27:20)

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Additional Timestamps

• Listener Superchats & “You’re Wrong” corrections: 66:07–end
• Indie dev stories & shout-outs: 64:07–66:02
• End-of-show silliness (sports banter, upcoming games, final plugs): 70:09–end

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For Those Who Haven’t Listened: What’s Essential?

• The next Xbox will be “premium” and expensive, potentially a major departure from previous (affordable) console strategies, and might blur the line further with PC gaming.
• Ubisoft is restructuring repeatedly, with layoffs at Massive & RedLynx and creative leadership churn, sparking real worry for their stability and Europe’s dev scene.
• Remedy’s CEO resigns amidst financial struggles and flop of their multiplayer title, raising questions about the fate of Control 2.
• Another major batch of media layoffs underscores ongoing volatility across the games industry.
• The episode is shot through with industry skepticism, anxiety for devs/journalists facing contraction/layoffs, but also moments of levity and hope for indie games and creativity.

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In the Hosts’ Own Words:

Blessing:

"I'm excited, but also I think there's a high chance that this ends up being just so messy for everybody involved." (13:47)
Andy:
"Let us know what you all think in the comments below and super chats, but also make sure you click the like button. It's free." (35:02)

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Summary by: Kinda Funny Games Daily Listener’s Guild.
Full episode available on YouTube and podcast platforms.

Transcript

[A]

Next Xbox is going to be very premium. Remedy CEO steps down. And what's up with Ubisoft? We'll have all this and more because this is kind of Funny Games Daily. Hey gamers. Welcome to Kind of funny Games Daily for Wednesday, October 22, 2025 presented by Five Hour Energy Blaster. The Outer Worlds 2 in style with an exclusive skin for your Rapidon in Game Pet. Brought to you by Five Hour Energy. When you purchase a purple berry punch or mock melon brew five Hour Energy products, you'll receive a unique code to unlock exclusive the Outer Worlds 2 in game content. I am Andy Cortez and I am joined By Blessing Adioye Jr. Good morning. Bless.

[B]

Good morning, Andy.

[A]

How's it going? I'm. I'm feeling good. Feeling good. Really, really excited about the day. Take the day on. Ready to attack it. Ready to play some games.

[B]

Got going on today.

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Oh, you don't even want to know. Oh, you don't want to know.

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Well, you got like a.

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Got a special stream later, you know.

[B]

Yeah, stream.

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I'm excited to play Jurassic World Evolution 3 with Nick Scarpino.

[B]

Oh, yeah, okay.

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And word on the street is like some really world renowned, maybe, you know, park builders slash paleontologists might be joining the stream. I'm.

[B]

Oh, okay.

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You know, that's just kind of rumors so far.

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Jeff Goldblum.

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It's possible. Whoa. Yeah, it's possible. Damn.

[B]

Is that who he sounds like?

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There's a moment where he's laughing, he goes.

[B]

That'S a. I don't know.

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You can look that up. You could just look up like Jeff Goldblum laugh Jurassic park and you will get just a snippet of I don't know.

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All right, I'll be watching Jurassic park just for that.

[A]

It's a good movie. It's a really, really good movie.

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I got, I got a question for you and I got. Maybe there's a super chat question or just chat it. I don't care.

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Do you want to supercharge it or.

[B]

I just super chat in the question? Yeah, you know I don't have my credit card.

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Yeah, fine, you just iou.

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But if you have Amazon prime, you got twitch.

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You do. You do.

[B]

I don't know what I want to be for Halloween. I was trying to like research this a little bit last night where I just typed in. I typed in 20 research. Research.

[A]

I googled a very normal human being thing to do.

[B]

I googled 20, 25 Halloween costumes for men and I just couldn' figure it out. I couldn't figure out what. Because, like, I'm not gonna do Spider man for the 18th year in a row that's.

[A]

It's the most extraterrestrial thing to look up.

[B]

Because I just don't know. I just don't have a passion for anything right now.

[A]

You don't have to have a passion for anything right now.

[B]

It's hot right now in these streets.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, here's one thing I'd like to see you go as one year. I would like you to maybe fork up a lot of money on this, because this will not be a cheap costume if you want it to look good. Yeah, I think it'd be cool to see you as invincible. Oh, I think that would be really awesome.

[B]

That'd be pretty sick.

[A]

But then with the hair sticking out. And here's the thing.

[B]

I dress up as invincible, and people are gonna look at me and they're gonna be like, oh, you're. Oh, what's the name of the other guy in Invincible? The guy whose, like, name is exactly invincible. But it's not invincible. He's the black invincible. People are gonna look at me and be like, oh, you're that. You're unstoppable.

[A]

I mean, that's more. Hey, that's more. Comments in the algorithm to Bulletproof post. Bulletproof. Bulletproof is the name, and then.

[B]

Then that turns into an argument than a fight. You know what I mean? I'm like, how dare you call me Bulletproof? I'm invincible over here.

[A]

I feel that. I think it would be really cool, though, if you, you know, fork up the money for it.

[B]

You know, I do like that idea.

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I did get my costume in yesterday. We'll see if it works out or not.

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I for. You already said who you're gonna be, right?

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Verso.

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Verso.

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That's a finish in 33. Not a. Not a cheap costume, by the way, but not. Not super expensive. The cyberpunk jacket I bought from Etsy a couple years ago, that ran me about, like, 120 bucks. Okay, yeah, that was not a cheap one. Put that one on four years, no interest, PayPal card.

[B]

What if I did? Since Hades 2 just came out. I don't know if this feels, I guess, old, but if I did Zagreus, that'd be sick. I feel like Zagreus is back in vogue with 80s, too.

[A]

I don't even. Yeah, I mean, I think that's just kind of an ageless video game character now. Yeah, I think he's hit that status, man.

[B]

Okay, I got to Think about it. Because I guess I wanted to go pop culture.

[A]

Ish.

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2025. I was looking at the sinners characters.

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OK.

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Stretch. And is his name Stretch Slim, one of the ones?

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Well, it's a. It's a play on words. So it's like it was.

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It's chat. Remind me. I feel like one of them is either named Slim or Stretch, but I forget which one.

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Smoke and Stack. Wow, thank you, Sean McAlpine.

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So wrong. Or.

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Or sorry. It was David in the YouTube. Smoking Slim and Stretch. Smoking Stack.

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Slim and Stretch. But where did I get Slim and Stretch? I for sure got that from somewhere. I. I feel like to do that though. I need a twin. I need somebody else who's going to be the other guy. I can't just dress up as one of them.

[A]

There could be just. I mean that. An opportunity to get better at Photoshop. Oh, you do that yourself. You know, that'd be pretty cool. Think about.

[B]

But then it's like if I go to a Halloween party when I'm going to the bathroom every 10 minutes to switch my costume, be like, oh, I'm the other guy now.

[A]

Oh yeah, that would be. Well, I mean you could just wear a blue hat now. Red hat, you know, we'll see. This is Kind of Funny. Games Daily. Each and every weekday we run you through the nerdy news you need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with a Kind of Funny membership on Patreon, YouTube and now Spotify and Apple podcasts to get all of our shows ad free. Watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show for a chance to be part of the show. Submit your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go. Housekeeping. This Friday, Mike and Roger, two best friends, will be locked in a room and attempt to complete Silent Hill F while sharing a controller while also handcuffed. Will they risk? Will they rise to the task or will they break? The longer you support, the longer they'll play. Come support the madness. But this Friday, exclusively on Twitch, right after game showdown.

[B]

Wow.

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Great gift right here.

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Yeah. Who did this?

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Gift? I think, I think Roger did.

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No way. Roger too talented.

[A]

Yeah, Roger did this. You go, you go on pic, mix or whatever on the bottom right.

[B]

He definitely downloaded or whatever. Yeah, he downloaded Pick me or pick mix or whatever this is. And just. What?

[A]

There's a. I don't. I'm not sure what the Jigsaw character is at the bottom. Like, why is that There I think.

[B]

He'S just using whatever tools they're giving in the app.

[A]

Oh, you click the horror genre.

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Yeah.

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Cate Story.

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Look how badly like clipped out that is. You can see the white outline around it. Roger, you're better than this. I know, I know. This is you.

[A]

You just complimented it.

[B]

Well I, I. Well no, I didn't compliment it. I forget.

[A]

Oh, I thought you said like he's so talented is what you said.

[B]

Yes, I'm saying he's so talented. He's more talented than this. He's better than this.

[A]

Yes, that's fair. We are an 11 person business. All about live talk shows today after Kind of Funny Games Daily you'll get the games cast which is a PlayStation 2025. Check in with Greg and bless after games.

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I love you.

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Oh yeah, little P.S. i love you return. And after the games cast is Jurassic World Evolution 3 with Andy and Nick and maybe some world renowned park builders and paleontologists. We don't know for sure. Depends on whether or not it depends on whether or not a white short sleeve button up shirt got delayed or not. We'll see. We'll see how it all goes. If you're a kind of funny member. Today's Greg Way is five minutes so far about the Marvel Cosmic Invasion release date before a headache stops him. He'll record more. That's great.

[B]

Has a headache today guys. You're gonna have to come some slack.

[A]

And one thing I want to shout out if you all are to all the gameplay viewers out there or to anybody who just loves watching a lot of the kind of funny crew get together and laugh and have a blast and a lot of people go, oh I love the those special Friday streams when they all get together and you just get to see them all bounce off each other and just like make a lot of like, you know, there's a lot of great laughs and you know, silly ass moments. Yesterday's stream to me is like an all timer stream. I had so much fun playing a game called RV there yet which is a game that I would recommend to any group of friends. Oh, it is a very, very cool game where you are all just trying, you're trying to take your RV to a park and you're driving around these little trails but the trails are sometimes really treacherous and you might hop into a section that just there's a crazy ravine and there's no way you can get the car through there but there's a lot of planks of wood so you and your homies have to like using physics based stuff. Just like drop the plank and all right. Is that enough for the car to kind of like drive over these planks over this review? They're My goodness. It is a freaking blast. A lot, a lot of fun. So check that out on the YouTube channel. Right now I need.

[B]

Maybe I'll suggest. Maybe I'll put this in our feedback form for the next meeting. We gotta play Lego Party again.

[A]

Oh my gosh. I agree.

[B]

It's already been too long since we played Lego Party.

[A]

I told you.

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And I needed. I need my get back. We need to run that back because that was not okay what happened last time.

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Wow.

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Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney the Psalm Twining. You are the best of us. Thank you so much. Gamers. For now, let's begin with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. It's time for some news. We have six stories today.

[B]

Baker's dozen. Six stories, mind you, that are actually really like eight stories. Nine stories. I took, I took three stories and put them in one.

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Okay.

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Because they all had to do with Ubisoft and I didn't want to. I didn't want to turn that into three different stories. But there are three different stories.

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I love that. Corey Cudney I did know that if you have Amazon prime, you have Twitch prime story number one. The next Xbox console is a premium system and that's in quotes for the audio listeners. Premium system, which shares some of quotes the thinking and quotes behind the Rog Xbox Ally Sarah Bond says this comes via Chris Scoling at vgc. Xbox President Sarah Bond has suggested the next Xbox console will share some of the quote thinking behind the recently released Asus Rog Xbox Ally and Ally X handhelds. In an interview with Mashable, it was put to Bond that the next Xbox console is rumored to be a hybrid system capable of playing both Xbox console games and PC games. While Bond wouldn't be drawn into confirming or denying this, her reply did suggest that the next Xbox system will have a high price point and will share at least some things in common with the ROG Xbox Ally devices. Which by the way, I'm this is an aside. This is no longer Chris Scullion talking from the article. This is me talking. I would have given 0.5 extra of a score to Ninja Gaiden 4 if I didn't have to play it on the Rog Ally X. Wow. Just sucked like feels like back paddle mess. Let's continue the story. Right?

[B]

You really like that review by the way.

[A]

Oh really? Yeah. That was a fun one.

[B]

Sorry, reading the I read the comments all. Everybody unanimously loves that review.

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Oh nice.

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Oh very nice in there.

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Sweet. That's good to know. That is great to know.

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Quote.

[A]

Well, I can tell you're right that the next gen console is going to be a very I can tell you right now I'm not sure exactly how this quote is supposed to be said, but I could tell you, I could tell you you're right that the next next gen console is going to be a very premium, very high end curated experience, bond replied. You'll start you're starting to see some of the thinking that we have in this handheld, but I don't want to give it all away, she said. Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer discussed something similar in an interview last year before it was publicly known that the Rog Xbox Ally handhelds were in the works. In an interview with Polygon, Spencer said that he would like to see other digital storefronts appearing on Xbox consoles in the future and that he'd like to break down some of the walled gardens that limit players to only buying console games through that console's official digital store. So obviously a big win for Xbox. This next is going to be even more expensive.

[B]

I so as you're reading that I opened up a previous Cage the episode because there's been a trend this week with khd.

[A]

Let's hear it. Bless.

[B]

This is our third Xbox headline in a row.

[A]

Go on.

[B]

And these headlines keep coming from Sarah Bond quotes to which as we started started doing this just now, I was like, I wonder are these from the same interview or is it that they're slowly releasing the information and no, this is from Mashable. The other quote that I saw was from Variety. So this is Sarah Bond continually like this. I'm sure they're on some kind of like, you know, I was gonna say tour, but they're doing the rounds and Sarah Bond just keeps talking, keeps giving us nuggets of things as far as what's going on with Xbox. But I it's funny sitting here with you because last time we sat down it was Sarah Bond talking about how the Asus Rog Ally Price, hey, that's on them. That's on Asus. And now we're at a place where two days later Sarah Bond's like, you know, when thinking about the next Xbox, we're sharing some of the same thinking as far as like what We've done with the asus Rog Ally. And I'm like, wait, so is it that like, that's ASUS as far as what's going on over there or is there some shared. I feel like they're conflating the message here a little bit. I don't know, I think it's kind of weird. But all that said, yeah, this shit's gonna be expensive. Yeah, that's like the main thing to take away from this story and the PC stuff as well, which is interesting. We've been talking about that for a while.

[A]

I know that when we're in the lead up to new consoles and new announcements and the future of what these companies see as what their future can be, there's always a lot of speculation. There's always a lot of like, whoa. We've never kind of been in this spot where, you know, I think back back in the day when 10 years ago, it feels like probably now where consoles are dead. Nobody's gonna, you know, you're gonna see this is the last console generation. Right. And obviously that will. That kind of ceases to be true more and more. Although with the recent rise of PC gaming, you know, maybe the console market is going to try to win back some of those gamers. But I think now more than ever, I've never felt more confusion and excitement and fear.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For what the future of a company like Xbox is going to try to do for the next console. When they tell you this is going to be a premium, high price thing, which is completely, you know, not to say that this is only going to be the future of Xbox right now. Not to say that like in three years, whenever the next Xbox comes out or whatever, four years, that everything from this quote is going to be 100% true. And that's it. Because it's very antithetical to what's. We've seen a lot of success with the Series S, which is. Oh sure, much more approachable console, which is something that a lot of people bought and you know, was much to the dismay to, you know, some developers having to deal with sort of scaling their, their console or their, their software down. But if that's going to be the only thing that they're going for. Do you think that's a smart call for Xbox?

[B]

No. Oh, absolutely not. I think I. Well, I guess it depends on what partnership looks like for Xbox. If you're, if you have PC hardware manufacturers also making Xboxes that aren't just handhelds but that are boxes and so you can Have, I'll just use Asus as an example.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You have the Asus Rog ally. But if Asus can also make a box that comes in at a way cheaper price.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Maybe that's how you get around having these different skus of Xboxes. But then I think as Xbox the company, you then have to make sure that people are making games for that, which is where we get into this weird place of what PCs are inherently. And like, I guess the challenges of making the transition because I think you hit the nail on the head as far as the fear of it, but then also the excitement of it because it all comes with pros and cons. We're talking about the pros. I think you're talking about being able to jump between cloud and playing on your computer and playing on your Xbox console and have all, having all those things communicate with each other. Also the choice of the kind of hardware you want to play on.

[A]

Great.

[B]

My Xbox is going to be the handheld. That's how I'm going to play Xbox. Oh no. My Xbox is going to be the Microsoft made home, quote unquote console that they made.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

That's going to be my experience. Oh, I can also play my phone. I think all of those are pro consumer and also like, I think those are check marks in the pro pro category. But then you get into the con of how weird and difficult is this going to be for people to, to understand what is going to, what is this going to look like as far as software working on all these different SKUs? What is this going to look like as far as pricing? You know, like, I think these are all things that you're going to have to, to reckon with and figure out. And I don't, I don't know if they have like a confident answer for that other than we're just going to go through it and do it. Like we're going, this is, we've made the commitment. This is the only path forward. Right. It was either this or continually being in third place in the console race.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so I don't really know what that looks, what that looks like. I'm with you that I'm excited, but also I think there's a high chance that this ends up being just so messy for everybody involved.

[A]

I'm excited in kind of a nervous way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I, I, I want the future of Xbox to be bright. I want this company to, to be healthy and to put out products that really kind of satiate the thirst of the hardcore fans. Right. And I Part of me sort of feels like if you, you know, if you talk about your product being the most premium thing ever, that that could win a lot of people over that could. Like, that tells the normies out there who don't listen to shows like this and don't listen to podcasts that could tell them, hey, you are getting the best of the best with Xbox. I know they always say that, but like, if you're going to market this as the most premium thing ever, there are some people that are willing to pay for the most premium thing ever. Are you then kind of going for the masses after that? Are you going to have a smaller sku? That's kind of where it's, I guess.

[B]

My beef is, what, Iffy, what does being the most premium thing ever look like for Xbox? Like when we say that, are we talking about, oh, they're going to put out a box that has the highest specs, ray tracing, all this stuff? And let's say they do that. Does that stuff get the support, like, does that stuff from the developers? Right? When we're talking about, I guess right now we're at, in the ecosystem where PlayStation and Nintendo are dominating in the console space, right? And then you have PCs that are doing their thing. Are developers gonna look at a $1,000 Xbox and go, oh yeah, we gotta make sure that this runs the best on this. Or are they gonna continue to look at PlayStation and be like, oh no, we're gonna prioritize this because the install base is bigger or we're gonna prioritize Switch because the install. Like, I, I think you can say that you're gonna put out the most premium thing as a boxed thing, but I feel like that then lends more toward the PC crowd, which is, I think, a great crowd. Right? But are you giving up? I guess the, the masses of people that are coming in because they just want a console that works and does like, it works and does everything that they want it to do. Are you giving that up? Because, hey, we, we're, we're going to do something premium here, something that's going to be this beefy thing and it just ends up being, okay, cool. It's just like when I buy the latest and latest RTX graphics card, right?

[A]

I, it's, it's kind of an iffy spot because this is, this is Microsoft, who owns Xbox. But I would love for them to, I would love for the next marketing thing for Xbox and their next console, whether it's going to be a home setup box that can compete with Some higher end rigs but at a smaller cost because of whatever it is that they're going to be cutting corners on that a full PC doesn't always need to have. I would love to see them go. When I, when I think of like effective marketing, I think of 15 years ago, Apple in the Justin Long commercials. Like let me, let me flip that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just along in the Apple commercial advertising Justin Long as a. But, but I think of the, the ease. Hey, you know, aren't PCs really confusing sometimes? What if they were just. Which is shit talking. Microsoft. I know, but like, you know, wouldn't you love the ease of use of, you know, you see the old guy at home like whoever they're going to get as the old guy opposite Justin Long.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's going to be like, I'd get a PC. But it's just so confused, man. It's like, oh, we'll just get, get the Xbox. It plays your Windows games, it plays your Xbox games with none of the hassle. Like if they were to able, if they were able to go for that, whether that's accurate or not, I think that could be like a really good niche to be in.

[B]

See, that's the thing I worry about is that I think PCs are so not confusing anymore. And not that they're as easy as turning on a PlayStation or an Xbox or a Switch, but I think Steam has made it so ubiquitous and like where PCs have I guess come in the last 10 to 15 years have gotten so easy to understand and like pick up and play kind of thing where I almost think that marketing point would go backwards where like if I imagine watching that commercial and it being Xbox being like, yo, like, you see, you know how PCs are so tough to use or whatever. Or like confusing. What if they were also confusing? Because like I look at Steam and I look at Xbox and I am way more understanding of how Steam is working as opposed to what Xbox is veering into as far as what the next generation looks like. For me, that's the confusing thing.

[A]

I could totally see Xbox trying to make their experience the Xbox, you know, gaming experience or whatever it, it. I could see them trying to rip off what Steam does with the. It's not necessarily even an ease of using, it's just a familiarity thing at this point. We know what Steam looks like. We know how to get to the things or whatever. Yeah. And I'm, you know, I could sometimes be confused by Steam every now and then trying to find, trying to find the, the not safer work filter because I want to show my store on stream. I'm like, where do I find this thing? Because I don't want to be showing, you know, the fucking, you know, backdoor neighbor, you know, seven or whatever.

[B]

Are you scrolling on the new games list?

[A]

Like where it's hilarious.

[B]

Like, like, how do you end up just. How does that just end up on your page?

[A]

It's real. Well, I mean like if you have the filter off and you go. Because I'm always going to around Next Fest, even before Next Fest hits, I'm always looking at demos and the new and trending.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay.

[A]

And because a lot of developers will release their cool games demos before Next Fest hits. Like when, you know, you're. The big movie premieres on Friday, but then eventually it's like Thursday night and then it's like Wednesday and midnight or whatever, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like I like looking it out and then, you know, a lot of the games are very funny and. But I want to sometimes show that on stream and it's just, it's a, it's a minefield out there, you know, it's just very, very dangerous. But to get back to the point, I could see Microsoft doing with that, similar to what YouTube TV did and what a lot of users are used to with DirecTV and Time Warner. And this is kind of a very, very weird anecdote and a weird comparison, but when I was first trying to sell my parents on YouTube TV, they could not get over the fact that the guide was like full screen and that it didn't look like what they were used to. And they're. And I was like, okay, dad, but like you're paying $260 right now. You could be paying 90 or 100 or whatever. He's like, yeah, but like, I just can't. I can't really come to grips with how different it looks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then YouTube TV emulated what the other things do where it's like there's the big preview screen of the actual thing you're looking at and the guide letters are smaller and the, the little bubbles of like the shows are, you know, now kind of similarly, you know, they're visually similar. Right. And I feel like if Xbox could try to emulate what the others are doing, what people are used to doing. Because I wasn't the biggest fan of this Xbox kind of 1.0 gaming experience. I thought it was kind of a mess and I didn't love it. But you keep iterating on that software. You keep showing people. Yes, we could have all of your games and all your library in this one spot. And it looks familiar, it's friendly. It. You see it and you know what you're looking at. As opposed to, I have to uncheck Steam games or do I have to. Well, how do I see exactly what I'm looking for right now? I. I feel like they could kind of meet in a. In the middle somewhere there, but it's gonna be quite the uphill battle.

[B]

Plus, you just reminded me of, like, when we would have there. When we would have to go to channel 19 to, like, see what the guide is. You know what I mean? Or it's just like, constantly scrolling and that's how you would tell, like, what shows were coming up before we had direct or whatever. Getting DirecTV felt like stepping into the future.

[A]

It really did.

[B]

That felt like. And I know it wasn't. I know we didn't literally have a thousand channels, but it felt like you went from 60 channels to having a thousand in my household, like, that was awesome.

[A]

I'll never forget visiting family in Austin, Texas. You would drive up from the real Grand Valley to Austin, Texas, and it's like, whoa, they have Time Warner Cable. And it's like, there's this guide and searching and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whoa. This is really, really nice. Like, this is the future. Yeah. Coming from waiting for the TV Guide. Every Sunday morning newspaper opening up the little TV Guide. Yeah. Scrolling through it, being like, what movie are they showing on Saturday on hbo? And it's always like, oh, they're debuting whatever. Big movie. Always a big deal, man. The home box office was.

[B]

Dude, that's crazy.

[A]

Take us back.

[B]

Channel 55 for Cartoon Network, channel 56 for Nickelodeon.

[A]

Oh, really? I think I was like, 27 Disney Channel. 26 was Disney Chat. No, 25 was Disney Channel 26 was Cartoon Network. And then 27 was Nickelodeon, I believe.

[B]

Can I tell you how much of, like, how much that probably changed my. I guess, like, my taste as a kid is, like, the positioning of those channels. Because then you had, I think ABC family was channel 32, and then WB was channel 12. And because of that, like, I was so. As a kid for the longest time, I was so locked in on channels 55 through 57. And then it wasn't until I was a bit older where I realized that Saturday morning cartoons, like, the best ones were on Kids WB on channel 12. And I was like, why is this all the way over here?

[A]

Oh, I see.

[B]

And so, like, I was missing out on, like, a lot of good shit because I Was locked in. And then I started learning about ABC Family and how they had like fucking Beyblade on there and shit. Digimon. I was like, wait, this is a whole new universe. Why is be BET number channel 54? We gotta put BET at like the 30s and bring ABC Family up because.

[A]

What are we doing exactly? 24 was actually cartoon Network. Let us know in the comments down below what your Cartoon Network, Disney Channel and Nickelodeon were and get in your super chats about Xbox. I have a super chat here from Foxy Steve. Thank you for your five dollar super chat says I think Xbox is getting out of the dedicated console space altogether. Make the system a PC with a hard with a hardware partner and go third party software wise.

[B]

Oh, Chad, this is not BET slander. I with bet. I'm just saying why would it so far away? Why is it right next to Cartoon Network? Yeah, like there are other things as a kid you can put right next to Cartoon Network right as I'm scrolling but then direct. Why?

[A]

Why are you gentrifying my guide? Don't put it way the hell over there. Yeah, you know what I mean.

[B]

I'm just saying it's like we have.

[A]

Make it hard to access.

[B]

Like why did it take me so long to figure out Kids wb?

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Fox Kid. They didn't do. They did. They did it right with Fox Kids was right next to Kids WB. It was 11 and 12. So Saturday morning to me it was which one?

[A]

Well, I didn't have a Fox Kids channel. I just had Fox Kids was just in the morning.

[B]

You're right. Fox Kids was like a segment six.

[A]

For me because it was like ABC, Fox, NBC, CBS. Yeah, all those channels were like four or five, six, seven. Super chat here from Trevor with a 10 super chat says for me the selling point is if I can access Xbox games, Steam games, etc on a home console without the hassle of messing with a PC if something goes wrong. Yeah, I mean that is the dream. And a lot of it is you hope that you log in one day and your game boots up. Because if it doesn't, you're like, oh yeah, this is one of them. PC problems.

[B]

Yeah. Installing shaders.

[A]

Yeah. Scared, absolutely. Five dollar super chat from Danny Tortelli says Donktober Tax Happy spooky season, y'. All. This will never happen. But how cool would it be if Xbox made a modular upgradable next gen console? I love modular stuff. But that would never happen. That would require so much customization. That would require see so much manufacturing and like all this like where I'm.

[B]

At is like I don't think Microsoft will make it, but I could see a third party manufacturer partnering with Xbox to be like hey this. This is your modular Xbox console made by whatever the fuck. I forget the companies that you and Roger go to make your laptops.

[A]

Framework.

[B]

Framework. This is your framework Xbox.

[A]

Yeah. A massive $50 super chat from JP says we love Kevin. Wow. Hell yeah. We'll get to more of Yalls thoughts on Xbox and more super chats after a word from our sponsors.

[B]

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[A]

Last a five dollar super chat from a true gamer game honestys Janet Garcia. She says Andy makes some good points, but do you think Xbox will die or pivot again before they finish that iteration process? I'm assuming she's talking about the iteration process of all right, let's move to this whole new this whole new zone that we've been slowly moving towards of the ease of use PC that has the friendliness of console gaming. I don't. I personally don't think that Xbox will ever go away because I still think they are heavily invested in studios that make games that make a lot of money. But I think the Xbox name will live through attaching their Names to like Xbox game studios publish stuff and blah, blah, blah. But I could see a future, you know, where you're not getting the Xbox, you're getting any that you're used to getting. Like, I also think that's completely impossible.

[B]

And I don't think we're that far away from them getting to this iteration process. I think they're. I think this is the next generation of Xbox and I think the next generation of Xbox is maybe like two years away. And so I don't think Xbox is going to die in the next two years. I was going to ask the question. I didn't want to extend this conversation too much because we have so much.

[A]

That's fine. Yeah, we can do it quick.

[B]

But I guess my, my final question on this topic is when we hit that, when we hit next generation of Xbox and they're doing the PC thing, right, what is it that is going to put Xbox on the map for you as far as, oh, I need to buy this over anything else. Like, I need to buy into this ecosystem more so than other ecosystems.

[A]

It would have to. When Digital Foundry does their tech breakdown, I would have to see, whoa, it's compatible to something of this nature on the PC side at this cost. I don't know how they're cutting them costs and I'm sure it won't lead to future layouts. I don't know how. This thing is so cheap, so much more cheap compared to a 28, 20$800pc or $2,200pc and it's selling for 800 bucks. Holy shit. That, that could be really, really cool. A neat device to have. Like they were mentioning earlier in the living room for somebody who. For the adults now that may have the disposable income that go. Yeah. I grew up gaming and now it is my main hobby and Now I have a 9 to 5. I could pay for that premium Xbox without having to deal with the, you know, you know, keyboard mouse on this device and logging into Windows and typing in a pin or whatever. It's just my Xbox at this point. Put that in the living room. You would have to show me awesome power at a very good comparable price.

[B]

Yeah, I hope they're able to do that. I think my worry, this goes back to the original points we're making is that it's in this weird space of, you know, Xbox historically has been this console thing that spoken to like that wider group of players. Right. And you're going to make your next box a $1,000 thing. $1,000 PC, essentially. When I look at that, I feel like when I'm faced with a choice of where to go, it's like, okay, well, if I want the console experience, maybe I can get the PlayStation 6 at $800 or whatever. Oh, maybe if I, if I'm going to spend $1,000, repeat for a PC, is it going to be the Xbox PC or is it going to be a more like, if I am I just going to make the jump into just getting a fucking beefy, powerful ass PC? I think the thing that really needs to sell Xbox is the ecosystem. And for me that has been Xbox Game Pass. But with the price hikes for Xbox Game Pass, I worry that that ecosystem is now becoming less and less desirable and tangible for people to get into.

[A]

All great points.

[B]

Yeah. And so let us know what you.

[A]

All think in the comments below and super chats, but also make sure you click the like button. It's free. It doesn't cost anything. There's also this new thing YouTube's doing called like, hype points. Hype points, where you gather hype points by watching stuff and then you could hype up videos from like, smaller creators that you want more eyes on. Where it's like, I don't know if the high points go directly towards like boosting this video into certain recommendation feeds or whatever.

[B]

In the next six months, you're going to see a leaked photo from YouTube headquarters of the boardroom where they're coming up with this and Tim Gettys is.

[A]

Going to be in there.

[B]

It's going to be a black and white photo. It's going to be Tim Gettys being.

[A]

Like two photos like this. And what are you doing? Story number two, what's going on at Ubisoft? This is three stories in one, so bear with us. I know we're running already very, very long, but thank you for your patience and your support, Everybody. Story number 2A comes from Insider Gaming and Mike Straw. This is Ubisoft subsidiary Massive Entertainment is laying off staff. Massive Entertainment, the Ubisoft subsidiary studio responsible for the games such as the division and Star Wars, Star Wars Outlaws, has announced that it is laying off a number of employees. In a post on social media, the studio called it, quote, voluntary career transition program.

[B]

Hmm, interesting.

[A]

It's like when they, when they go, hey, what if you don't? We have a really packed flight. We overbooked. Yeah. Anybody want to put. Give us a number and we'll. We may be willing to pay it if you are willing to not take.

[B]

When I Tell you, I almost did that a week ago.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

I will was coming back from, oh, Janet's wedding actually. And I was going to Janet's wedding. I was flying to la and they were like, if anybody wants a later flight, like, you know, we'll give you 400 in credit. And I heard it. I was like, ah, that's a lot of credit. A lot of credit. Yeah, that's what Ubisoft's doing.

[A]

Quote. As part of our ongoing evolution and long term planning, we have recently realigned our teams and resources to strengthen our roadmap, ensuring our continued focus on the division franchise and technologies, including Snowdrop and Ubisoft Connect that power our games. They said to support this transition responsibly, we introduced a voluntary career transition program, giving eligible team members the opportunity to take their next career step on their own terms, supported by a comprehensive package that includes financial and career assistance, end quote. Massive Entertainment says that it remains fully committed to our roadmap and to creating great experiences for players around the world, including the Division 2, the Division 2 survivors and the Division Resurgence and the Division 3. I threw an and there too early because there was an extra one called the Division 3, which. Hey, let's get that.

[B]

They announced that. I miss it when they announced they.

[A]

I mean it's never been like an official trailer or anything. No, it's just been like, yes, we are working on the next division. You know, these projects continue with strength, focus and ambition and we look forward to sharing more in the future. Do we want to move on to story 2B?

[B]

Let's move on to story 2B because honestly, like I put this one first because of Massive and Division and how much I know we care about the studio and how much we care about Division, but I think the stories get crazier as we go. So let's hop into 2B.

[A]

Story 2B comes from Michael Murphy at Insider Gaming. Splinter Cell remake loses another director according to the new job to a new job listing on Ubisoft or from Ubisoft, rather. Let me start again with this sentence. Not a great start for me and I. I take, you know, full responsibility for that. You're doing great. According to a new job listing from Ubisoft, the Splinter Cell remake has lost its director again. According to Tech for Gamers, a job listing which has since been taken down was available on Ubisoft's website. The position game director was for the Ubisoft. Man, that's such a. That's such a big position to try.

[B]

To look for that's crazy to see when you're just scrolling through a job like you're on Indeed.com and you see game director for Splinter Cell remake and.

[A]

You'Re like, wait, the game that's like, kind of been getting worked on for a while.

[B]

Forever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Y' all hiring for a game director?

[A]

Yeah. Damn, that's tough. Yeah, that's. That's being an NFL player and like having to scroll by and being like, on LinkedIn. Looking for a coach. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, we're looking for a quarterback, man.

[A]

Wait, hold on. Yeah. The position game director was for the Ubisoft Toronto office and would be for Splinter Cell remake. The description for the job states that the person would be a part of the Splinter Cell development team, leading workers and coming up with new features. In 2022, the original director, David Griffill, left the project and Ubisoft after more than a decade at the company. Given we haven't seen any remake or updates like the Prince of Persia Sands of Time remake, things look a bit unsteady. Yeah.

[B]

So this is one that's kind of. It's. There's mystery around it as far as. Okay, so what happened? So after David river left in 2022, you found another game director and they just left like, there's question marks around it.

[A]

Was it just a. You know, was it. Somebody's temporarily taking that job in the meantime. Yeah. And then they didn't live up to their standards. Like, all right, now we're really looking for a game.

[B]

They're like, oh, shit. We went to put up this job listing three years ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're just getting around to it.

[A]

Yeah. They promoted the offensive coordinator to head coach.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Story 2C to see this is the final story in the trilogy of Ubisoft Trial Studio. Ubisoft Red Links is laying off up to 60 staff as it refocuses on small screens. This comes from Chris Scullion at vgc.

[B]

And as you get into this, I'm just going to say, fuck this, dude.

[A]

Ubisoft Red Links no longer wants to develop games for 4K. They're looking for 480p. That's not part of the. That's good. I just love the idea of small screens. Like, I don't, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Our games look better on. On 17 inch monitors.

[B]

Yeah. I'm tired of this. AK.

[A]

Yeah. Let's go back. Let's start the article. This comes once again from Chris scoling at VGC. Ubisoft is preparing to lay off up to 60 staff at Red Links as part of proposed restructuring. A statement posted on the Red Links website says that the Ubisoft says that Ubisoft has announced a restructuring proposal for the Finland based studio as quote, part of the company's global efforts to simplify, reduce costs and ensure a stronger prioritization and efficiency across the company's worldwide studio network, end quote. In this try. In these trying financial times, you know, heard this a million times. Continuing the story, the statement says that Ubisoft will negotiate. Will negotiate the proposal which with its staff in quote, collective negotiations, end quote, before making a decision. It notes however, that if the proposal goes again, it will result in the reduce in the reduction of maximum 60 positions, mainly among the production and administration teams. The proposal would see Red Links changing its focus from a multi format developer to one specializing in small screens, end quote meaning mobile games, including two unannounced mobile games the studio is currently leading development on. Ubisoft says that a shift in focus would let Red Links better optimize its resources and position itself for, quote, sustainable success.

[B]

I hate this so much.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Partly because I love Trials so much and it wasn't that long ago. I feel like it was me and Barrett, maybe Mike talking about, like, yo, where's the next Trials game? Like I. It feels like it's been forever since Trials Rising came out.

[A]

I think we were talking about that while playing Lego Party.

[B]

Oh, was it?

[A]

It may have been that because there is a very similar level that has the bottom like. But I think you all are maybe reiterating something that. Another discussion. But it was like, man, give us another Trials.

[B]

Yeah. And so like to hear that the Trial Studio is now experiencing layoffs. Of course our heart goes out to the people laid off here. And of course, even before it's massive, our hearts go out to people that are laid off and massive. Right? Like hoping you guys are able to land on your feet, find jobs. Always awful to hear about. About layoffs. I am, I think the reframing of this studio to be focused on small, small screens because I assume it's just a weird way to say mobile. Like, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? Like, is it that you're gonna put Trials on mobile devices? Because honestly I could kind of see that, but like, I don't. I feel like Ubisoft is just in a weird place of just not knowing what the fuck to do anymore with their studios, with their teams, with their game direction, with anything.

[A]

It really does seem like just throwing everything at the wall and just hoping that maybe you stumble into a Success in the way that the indie market is kind of dominating. Yeah. You know, you, you hope to find one of these random games that just happens to hit. I think we're going to see so many large teams that are part of larger conglomerates or just larger publishers doing the weird experimental stuff in hopes to land the random big Steam game of the week that sells a million copies in a week. Or like I, I feel like we are getting closer and closer to that while the big team still work on stuff to have smaller teams just try to, hey, let's just do whatever. Let's try to make a version of Peak. Let's try to do something like this.

[B]

My worry because like I think we were. We've coming, we've come off, we've come off, we've came to language anymore. We've recently come off a season of Ubisoft doing that. Right. Like we had roller champions in that Marvel game. That not Marvel marble game that Mike brought up that one time that we were like, they're making a what? And then he showed it, he was like, yo, this is coming out.

[A]

It was a ball battle game. I had no idea was even coming out.

[B]

Nobody knew that was coming out. Right. Like there, there was a, a stretch of those that Ubisoft was making and putting out. And I think with the whole Vantage Studios thing. Right. Of that being the Assassin's Creed, I forget if they even loop in Far Cry in there. But like the big, big Ubisoft IP like studio, I worry less that like this is going to be them being like, all right, let's see if we can make a multiplayer thing or make something that's going to trend chase or whatever. I imagine that this is going to be them working on a Far Cry Mobile support or whatever it is or like a Assassin's Creed mobile. Like I don't even know if they're going to be the main team on it. I think they're going to be turned into a support team for just whatever big IP mobile game that's happening.

[A]

I am on the opposite side of things. I feel like whatever this team is going to work on, mobile wise, it is going to be, you know, serotonin slop. Yeah, I feel like they are gonna go for a match three Candy Crush style thing. Ball pit being massive, Mega bonk hitting huge numbers. I feel like this team is not going to be working on Far Cry Mobile or something like that. I just don't think there's success like that really anymore. Like I, I think we are seeing. We've seen Capcom try to do it with the Resident Evil stuff and trying to do like IO the iOS port of whatever, re2 or re4, whatever it was. And I think those were neat experiments. And I don't really think that the. I don't think any money was made back. I think a decent amount of money is probably lost on those projects. I see the, I see the studio trying to just, let's make a game that can make a lot of money and it's two bucks or it's free to play with microtransactions. I, I don't, you know, I'm. I'll be happy to prove to be proven wrong that, you know, that this studio won't be making a, you know, I don't want to say a friend slop or a serotonin slop game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, you know, I could see something like that happening.

[B]

I just wonder if that's what Ubisoft still wants to do. Like, is Ubisoft still that studio that's going to put out weird, smaller things or are they like, we're only making big bets, like, we're only working on our big ip and so if anything you make has to be. Has to do with either Tom Clancy or Assassin's Creed or Far Cry or like whatever licensed Avatar or Star wars thing that they're doing.

[A]

But I think from a budgetary standpoint, there's so much less overhead trying to do something like that than trying to do Rainbow six Mobile, which may exist. I have no idea.

[B]

I'm like, I'm pretty sure that.

[A]

Or, or Far Cry Mobile. Like, I, I think from a budget standpoint and from a development standpoint, there's just so much more overhead trying to make that experience work on mobile. And if you could have a team of 10 making a brainless video game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That could, you know, be a very, very low risk, high reward sort of situation. But who knows? Man, this really, really sucks about Massive as well. Like such a talented studio.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

So many talented workers there. And yeah, it's just a, it's a rough situation for so many devs out there.

[B]

Again, every day or every, every week, I'll say the games cast topic that we just keep kicking down the road as a, as a meme, the, you know, what's going on at Ubisoft gamescast topic becomes relevant once again.

[A]

And just, just as it sort of falls out of the window of. Yeah.

[B]

Of like, it's like, oh, we don't need to do this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now I'm like, Maybe we got to do that.

[A]

Yeah, it's not relevant anymore. There haven't been a whole lot of Ubisoft news. And here is. It's back. Yeah, that's one of those death taxes in Ubisoft, you know, just in a confusing place.

[B]

Yeah. And Sarah Bond making statements.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

End up being the headline for the show.

[A]

Before we move on to story number three, I want to read a store super chat from Aaron Lime who says, with Ubisoft's slow collapse slash eventual buyout, how bad do you think this will be for the European dev scene? They're the biggest game publisher over there, the same size as Xbox. Employees wise, I think that you will see a lot of smaller studios and startups from, you know, like seven, eight years ago. There was all or even five years ago. There was always the new studio from former Blizzard, Rockstar and Bioware devs. Like I think you will. I think we'll see an influx of that if anything really, really bad and major happens Ubisoft wise with their larger studios.

[B]

Yeah, I agree with that. I also don't think we'll see like the big collapse Ubisoft. I don't think it's going to go from 100 to zero. I think it's going to be like, yeah, you know, periodic. Oh, man. All right, we're going to downsize here, downsize here, close the studio here. Okay. Now we're bought by somebody and they'll. They'll probably do the same thing, right. Until they're able to kind of narrow it down to the exact, I guess, like, size and scope that they. That whatever new owner would want Ubisoft to be.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you everybody for your super chats and your Support. Story number three. Remedy CEO Taro Vertala steps down after nine years. This comes from Sophie McAvoy at GamesIndustry Biz. Taro Vartala has stepped down as the Remedy CEO with immediate effect. Vertala, who was appointed as CEO in 2016, will continue to work for the developer for an agreed transition period, end quote, while it begins the process of appointing a new leader. Remedy Co Founder and Chief Product Officer Marcus Mackey will take on the role of interim CEO effective today, October 22nd. Maki has been on the developer's Board of directors since 1995 and is also Chairman of the board as Maki, which I could completely be butchering. I'm sorry, that's how I'm pronouncing it. My bad. If it's wrong.

[B]

It has a cool accent, Mark.

[A]

It does have the the umlat. Yeah, above the A. Maybe it's makey. I have no idea. As Maki becomes interim CEO, Henry Osterland will take over Maki's previous role as Chairman of the Board. Osterlin has been a board member since 2017. Another umlaut appearance. A second um lot.

[B]

Second um lot is hitting sentence.

[A]

Quote I want to thank Tarot Vertala for their substantial contribution to the management of remedy since 2016, said Maki. I personally think. I personally thank Taro for good cooperation and wish him the best for the future. Last week Remedy announced that was an anquote by the way, last week Remedy announced it would be addressing its financial outlook for 2025 following weak sales end quote of its F of its first multiplayer title, FBC Firebreak. It recognized a non cash impairment of of 14.9 million Euro, representing the game's development costs alongside publishing and distribution rights.

[B]

Damn, that's tough. NBC Firebreak man. Man, that was a swing and a miss.

[A]

It really was. And I think it may not have been a swing and a miss seven years ago. Okay, six years ago, granted. You know, nobody knew what Control was back then, but you know what I mean? Like I. That style of video game I think is a lot easier to hit when the market just doesn't have a whole lot of those games. And now we are seeing so many games in that style and in that genre and it's really, really hard to stick out nowadays. Especially I think, when your game comes out to very mid. Applause yeah, like I'm not saying that the game came out and was amazing and still completely underwhelmed. I think it came out and a lot of people were like, this is pretty average. Yeah, this is not what I want right now.

[B]

I keep harping on it, but I like I. The IP of Control, I don't think lends to what FPC Firebreak is as far as like the trend, the, the transfer of like audience going from one to the other. Like when you talk a lot about how important IP is and how like making something based on IP has more of that like install, I guess Install base. That's going to be a fan of the thing because they like the, the, you know, the franchise. I just don't. I. I keep coming back to the Ship of Theseus thing where you change control enough and then give it back to your audience and they're going to be like, yeah, but that's not control. And like the people.

[A]

That's not why I show up for.

[B]

Remedy games, you know Like, I, I saw FPC Firebreak. I love Control, but I look at FPC Firebreak and I'm like, okay, that looks cool, but also I'm not gonna play it. You know what I mean? Like, that's not. I'll wait for Control too.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I think it's a tough, it's a, it's a tough sell and I don't think the IP is why this is failing at all. But I, I wonder how much of the, like, how much of this game got greenlit because they're like, ah, you know, we're looping it into this and so there's going to be that connect connective tissue or whatever.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I don't think that's an. I don't think Control is the right IP for that.

[A]

Yeah, I think, I think throwing a game like this into the last of Us universe, well, maybe the last was too popular, but I'm thinking of a, a universe that just doesn't lend itself to this sort of arcadey feel, you know, I think FBC Firebreak very kind of wacky and over the top with a lot of, you know, the enemies and the, the music and it's, you know, the, your characters are talking to each other and like it felt a lot more frenetic and not really belonging in this very kind of dark, mysterious, you know, what's happening here Control universe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, you know, it's not quite time to worry about something like the future of Control, but I, it's hard for me to not have that little inkling of doubt in my mind of like, oh my gosh, I hope we don't see massive setbacks for oh, Control two.

[B]

I hope not. I don't. Yeah, dude, I'm not there yet, but I, I hope not.

[A]

We did our sponsored Nvidia GeForce stream, GeForce now stream the other day where we Control streaming through the cloud, me and Greg. And while playing Control, it's just like, wow, this really is one of the coolest, most badass video games ever. Like, what an awesome video game.

[B]

I played that game while it was buggy as hell and I still, you know, I'll press pause. That would take 5 seconds, seconds to load. In the pause screen.

[A]

Story number four comes launcher Control story number four comes from Jordan Midler, the homie at vgc. And this is another sad one. The Gamer website suffers widespread editorial layoffs. Video game website the Gamer has suffered widespread layoffs, according to former staff. On Wednesday, several former members of the site's editorial teams took to Social media to announce they'd been laid off. According to multiple former employees speaking anonymously to vgc, entire section teams have been, quote, decimated, end quote. According to those still at the outlet, the Gamer will continue in a slimmed down form. Those though those who remain aren't clear on how that will manifest. According to staff who spoke to vgc, these layoffs have been expected, but the scale has surprised those still at the site. Damn, our hearts go out to everybody at the Gamer. That sucks.

[B]

Yeah, like this is one that for me hurt to read just in the sense of one. I was just at, I think PAX and maybe even Magicon. I was hanging out with people from the gamer.com and like it's. For me it's always cool to meet somebody from the Gamer because if you don't know, kind of funny in the gamer, have kind of like a fun relationship where if you're a fan of the shit list segment that we do on Gamescast sometimes that came out of us doing the Patreon post shows where the shit list was its own thing and every week I would have to find a list for us to talk about and like judge and critique on the show. And 90% of those lists came from the gamer.com and so like I have like a love for the gamer even though like we would dunk on the gamer all the time, right? Because the lists were always ridiculous. But also that's kind of the point of doing lists on the Internet is that, you know, people are going to dunk on them because they're going to be ridiculous or whatever. I think, you know, I. This absolutely sucks. This hurts my heart to hear. It also is, I think getting more to the serious aspect of it. Just a. Another one as far as where video games media is at, right? Like even where, where media is at, right? As far as what people do with journalism, what people do with writing articles online and all this, it is rough out there both I think because of how the landscape has evolved, but then also how AI is taken over and how Google's homepage is I think really bad for a lot of people that are doing this type of work as far as like how they've condensed that into their AI, AI stuff and change the algorithms and all this, it's not been good, it's been very bad for a lot of the space and, and.

[A]

And this is not necessarily coming hot off the heels. But you know, we're talking May 2025 layoffs with Valnet laying off a lot of people at Vox Media. A lot of people at Polygon. And yeah, Valnet strikes again. So very, very discouraging. And our hearts go out to everybody. I have to keep on saying that phrase, and I mean it every time. But it. You. The. The part of me that, you know, feels a lot of anxiety, feels like people think I just go through the motions with these stories because we repeat them a lot. But yeah, this. It always, always sucks to hear that and that, you know, all those layoffs were pretty, pretty massive and pretty big. Blessed. Huge. But if I wanted to. I'm tired of all that big news. If I wanted.

[B]

What's funny is that I'm tired of it. But what's funny is that I put a happy story as the last story to try and change the energy. But we're so late in the show and so you have to make the transition any.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna put it into WE news. I'm so tired of all that big news. But if I wanted something smaller, say the tiniest views I need to know about, where would I go?

[B]

You go to our last news story, the WE News channel where we cover all the small news items you need to know about.

[A]

Marvel Comic Invasion Cosmic. Cosmic. What did I say? Comic.

[B]

He's a comic?

[A]

Yeah. Stupid ass idiot. Stupid as hell. Marvel cosmic evasion launching December 1st. Fiery telekinetic abilities beat jet pard alter egos as two brand new characters, Phoenix and Invinc Possible Iron man were unveiled in a high octane new gameplay trailer today.

[B]

Come on, come on.

[A]

Very, very cool.

[B]

Barrett and Greg yesterday we're talking about. Oh, it's got to be game awards. Oh, it's gonna probably be day and date with the game awards. Nah, dog. This shit's coming out December 1st. They had to announce this. They had to announce it. I never doubted you in for a second. Marvel Cosmic Invasion.

[A]

This is the best looking art style ever.

[B]

I love looking at this game.

[A]

I. I just. It's the pics, this style of pixel art with how chunky all the characters are. All the characters have a roundness to them, to their shape. You know, like it's like the per.

[B]

It's perfectly translated from those Saturday morning 90s cartoons.

[A]

I feel like there's kind of a. A 10 chibiness to them. Like okay, they're not perfectly human shaped. You know, like they're, you know, they kind of got some stock in it. I just love the look of it. I think it's beautiful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From Eurogamer, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3 will be more concise as director following fat feedback regarding time management in certain sections, especially in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. I honestly don't believe they were. That they were no longer necessary. He said. I feel like nowadays players just have too much to do and too much to play, so they often feel the urge that something has to be concluded quickly. He added, as we work on the conclusion to the trilogy, we are striking a balance on how story arcs are told and spread out as to ensure or so as to ensure that the game feels a bit more concise.

[B]

Interesting. This was. I. It's not something I. I guess thought about that deeply as far as actually, you know, that's a lie. Final fantasies on Rebirth was long as.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

Yeah, that was a long ass video game. But I think I'm surprised that they're taking that feedback and actually like taking it to heart and saying that some of these things are gonna be more concise. Which I wonder how fans are going to take that because I mean people.

[A]

Are like, give me my 60 hour RPG.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like I'm like. I'm sure a lot of fans enjoyed that.

[A]

Yeah. From Eurogamer Pal World Studio. Pocket Pair won't publish games with the AI quote. People are saying, I'm gonna say. People are gonna say I'm lying. But these are just the hard facts. He said, we don't believe in it. We're very upfront about it. If you're big on AI stuff or stuff or your game is web3 or uses NFTs, there are a lot of publishers out there who will talk to you. But we're not the right partner for that.

[B]

Shout out to Pocket Pair.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Them saying, yo, we're not gonna use AI. We're not gonna do that. If we're gonna copy something, we're gonna do it with our bare hands.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If we're gonna take designs from something else, we're gonna. We're gonna have a human take that. We're not gonna use AI.

[A]

I'm gonna take that 3D model with the exact same 3D mesh and wireframe and I'm gonna add a little nub to it. I'm calling my own.

[B]

I'm gonna take Lucario and not change it at all.

[A]

I'm going to add some wings to Lucario.

[B]

I'm going to call it Anubis instead.

[A]

Du Barrio.

[B]

Pocket Bear, man. Cuz they're just like. They're. I can't tell. I can't tell their vibe. You know what I mean? It's like I. Everything they say, I feel Like, I like Pocket Bear. I feel like I like them, but they veer close to the sun.

[A]

I, I, I do like them. I've, I've met and hung out with a couple people from there, and I think they are very cool people. But I mean, I mean, this isn't even a but. This is just like, I love hearing this. It doesn't matter who you are. It's like, this rocks to me.

[B]

They're the kid that, like, you know, you're cooking something on the stove and you have like, a toddler that kind of wants to touch the stove, and you're like, keeping an eye on them, and they know not to touch the stove. Pocket Pair doesn't touch the stove. But they, they look like they're like, they're thinking about it. You know what I mean? It's like, why are these so close to Pokemon? You're not doing AI. You're not publishing AI games. Good for you. But also your designs look like they're AI designs. But, okay, cool.

[A]

This comes. This reminds me of an awesome interview that I heard recently with the Wire creator David Simon and Ari Shapiro. Shapiro said, okay, so you spent your career creating television without AI. And I can imagine, and I can imagine you thinking, boy, I wish I had, I had those tools to solve those thorny problems. And David Simon says what Shapiro says or say. And Simon said, you, you imagine that, that I think that he goes. And Shapiro goes, yeah, boy, if that had existed, it would have screwed me over. And Simon said, I don't think I can remotely challenge what writers do at a fundamentally creative level. Shapiro replies, but if you're trying to transition from scene five to six and you're stuck with that transition, you can imagine plugging that portion of the script into an AI and say, give me 10 ideas on how to transition this. And David Simon replies, I'd rather put a gun in my mouth. Fucking rules.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

Luigi's Mansion is coming to Nintendo Switch Online October 30th.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

Pikmin 4 free update launches November 2025 with a photo mode decor Pikmin and Creature Activity level. So I guess that little animated short wasn't for nothing.

[B]

It wasn't for, you know, yeah, it all.

[A]

For the Pikmin 4 free update. More game pass games have been announced for October. October 23rd, Power Wash Simulator 2 and Bounty Star on the 24th, Super Fantasy Kingdom the 28th, Halls of Torment, the 29th the Outer Worlds 2 and November 4th, 1000 times resist and Football Manager 26 and that's going to do it for We News.

[B]

I'm just going to stop there.

[A]

Yeah, you know, we got super chats. We got your wrongs.

[B]

Well, I, I do want to shout out real quick a kind of funny audience member who DM'd be on Blue sky. And they said they're gonna launch or they said they just launched the announcement trailer for their tiny 10 minute narrative Steam game about living with chronic fatigue in long covet. It's called it's not you, it's me.

[A]

This is the thing I was gonna read though.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

The thing that, that, that Kevin just brought up.

[B]

Oh, we'll, we'll loop back to that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, it's not you, it's me. It's my kind of funny best friend. If you're interested in this, go check out the Steam page. Kevin has it pulled up. And shout out to the old man alan in my DMs for giving this to me. And then also I want to shout out Catanaut, which is a. An indie game that came out the Eugene, the developer at Voidma Games, tweeted out, hi, I'm Eugene. I finished my first game, catanaut. It hit 52k wish list in 10 months and I released it between silksong and Hades 2. Average peak players, 11ama. And this is one that I remember us in our Slack channel sharing and being like, damn, this game looks cool. But I don't think any of us really came around to playing because it came out at such a busy time.

[A]

Yeah, 100 hours in Silksong. Yeah.

[B]

And so he, you know, hearing about how, yeah, this has the average peak players of 11, I'm like, damn, dude, that sucks. Because I look at this game, I'm like, this looks awesome. So just wanted to give a shout out to Catanaut if you see this, we're playing the video version. I guess if you're an audio listener. It's a 2D action game, pixelated. Kind of reminds me of Katana Zero, but a bit more, I guess, like action.

[A]

Yeah, it's kind of a futuristic kind of neon pixelated art and you kind of have that cool Ronin hat with a six samurai sword. It's like, you know, future future samurai type stuff. That is for audio listeners. It's spelled K A T A N.

[B]

A U T. It's a Metroidvania inspired action Roguelite is how they describe it on the store page. So it's Katanaut. K A like you mentioned, K A.

[A]

T A n a U T. 27 recent or 132 reviews total, with a very positive on Steam. You always love seeing those very positive review scores. Let's get to some super chats. And you're wrong. Remember, if you we got anything wrong with the show, let us know. Kind offunny.com you're wrong. Let's see, we have. Let's see.

[B]

I got so many tabs open. I gotta close these tabs.

[A]

Let's see, let's see.

[B]

I had like three tabs that Trials Rising up open for some reason. Everybody, let's make tomorrow Trials Rising day. We're all gonna play Trials Rising tomorrow. All right.

[A]

We have a Super Chat or sorry, you're wrong saying the. Those rumors of a pocket pair taking exact models from Pokemon were confirmed to be fabricated. Jokes are fine, but just saying they're.

[B]

Jokes, but also that's fair. Well, they're kind of jokes because those are Pokemon dog. Like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying that they copied and paste the models. I'm saying you look at certain poke, you look at pal world creatures and they're like verbatim Pokemon.

[A]

Yeah, it does. It's. It's one of those.

[B]

It's like, like I'm joking, but also I'm serious.

[A]

It's one of them being one thing to be inspired, but also like the face of that character looks exactly like that other character Poke, you know, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Big bad Beluga says a bunch of. The Red Links team that originally made the trials games were laid off years ago and since started channel 37. Their debut game, the Last Caretaker, launches in Early Access November 6th. Media Manager lost a friend of the show, Jack Patilla. No way of achievement Hunter. Yes, Jack Patilla was here to show this off during. And by the way, the Last Caretaker is a game that I really, really want to check out because it's a single player survival game. But it's a game about like everybody left planet Earth and you are trying to like, you are in charge of kind of, I guess, bringing civilization back. But it's a first person kind of survival game with a lot of cool physics and. And awesome little puzzles. But yeah, when Jack was here for gdc, we were showing off the Last Caretaker.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah, Very, very cool video game. Let's get to some Super Chats.

[B]

Super Chats.

[A]

Mad Rocks says pocket pair copies, designs the old fashioned way.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

That was a two dollar super chat D cash. Two dollar super chat says 31 parentheses. The number will always be Nickelodeon to me. I like that $5 from Scotch Dog says I feel like developing for a console PC hybrid would be a nightmare for devs. Do you develop the game as an Xbox game or as a PC game?

[B]

I mean it would just be PC.

[A]

Yeah, well, I mean most, most things are built on like most indie. Indie devs now are making stuff on Steam only and then you get certification for console and like you would need those dev kits still. But like most things you are making are on PC. I don't know if you're asking. Keyboard, mouse or controller, I have no idea. But like it's. It's all like you're making for the same framework essentially. It's not super different. Starcore says FBC Firebreak was on PS plus and Game Pass. I wonder what sales they were looking for to cover the cost. Those two deals didn't. Probably just more. Yeah, because even being on those platforms, you know, I know the Steam DB charts are never.

[B]

I was just looking up the Steam DB for it.

[A]

Yeah, like the Steam DB charts I still think were pretty, pretty abysmally low.

[B]

The there's 21 people playing FEC firebreak right now. I think that's enough for two games.

[A]

And when it launched there were.

[B]

I think in the peak was almost 2,000.

[A]

Yeah, that's like crazy low.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now you again, if you're on Xbox and psn you. You gotta hope that there was definitely more players there. But who knows? That's gonna do it for our show. Everybody trying to look for some more super chats here. A super chat early on from broke gamer guy talking about the Marvel Cosmic Invasion release date. Thank you so much. It says nice shirt, Andy. Nice jacket. Bless. Thank you.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

Appreciate you. We have Jaden vanderhorst with a 10 super chat. Appreciate your support. Says Birthday Tax. Turning 25 today and just want to say thanks to the kind of funny crew. You've been a part of my daily routine for the last four years and now looking forward to supporting KF for more years to come. Thank you, Jaden.

[B]

Happy birthday.

[A]

Appreciate your ten dollar support and your birthday tax. And happy birthday to you.

[B]

I love hearing from audience members who are like. What is the word I'm looking for? Who are lower than 30, who are younger than.

[A]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[B]

My brain just did something there. But yeah, audience members who are younger than 30 shout out to y' all because usually I feel like I'm on the younger side when it comes to like me here and then also me in the audience.

[A]

Oh yeah, you look at my Twitch Demographics. And it's like the 30 to 40 range is like 70, 80. And then, yeah, like a lot of people, I had like 2% in the. In the 20 to. Yeah, 30 range or whatever.

[B]

A lot of people, you know, came up listening to Greg.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Followed along since Broad Podcast Beyond. Right. And so, like, I think our audience very much leans on the, I guess, older demographics.

[A]

My side of things. Yeah. Say closer to 4. Pushing 40 because it's a breath of.

[B]

Fresh air just to hear from people in their twenties.

[A]

Jeff Bull Jr. With a five dollar super chat says super chatting from the toilet. Thank you, Jeff Bull Jr. Did you drop a. Drop a Jeff Bull in that. In that bowl? Thank you for a two dollar super chat from Flying Penguins. Who says this is for Andy the Cowboys. Go Birds.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Hey, watch your ass. We're coming. We're coming for you. We're coming for that ass.

[B]

Oh, that's crazy.

[A]

Coming for that ass.

[B]

I want to shout out a game.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

I'm looking forward to recreation. Have you seen this one? Recreation spelled W R E C K Recreation.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It is from Three Fields Entertainment, if you're familiar with that name. It's because they made Dangerous Golf in Dangerous Driving. In Dangerous Driving too. There are people who formerly did Burnout. Let me see if I can play the gameplay. They're basically making what looks like Burnout meets Hot Wheels Unleashed, where it's like Burnout driving, but, like, you're kind of flying all over the place. There's like custom tracks that look like Hot Wheels tracks.

[A]

I've been saying forever, man.

[B]

This comes out in like six days.

[A]

I've been saying forever. Forza Horizon needs to let you lower, like, the physics Horizon doesn't ever want you to feel like. So it keeps you grounded way more than it should so that you're not failing and like flying all over the place. But like, man, some of my funnest gaming days were just San Francisco rush on 64. Just trying to like go up a ramp and hit that one ramp at a certain angle and you're just flipping and spinning and flying all over the place. I love that. That'll do it for kind of Funny Games Daily today, everybody. Thank you so much for watching. Each and every weekday, we run you through the nerd news you need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch and podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the kind of funny membership on Patreon or YouTube to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live, and get a daily exclusive show. Enjoy the games cast next and the stream after. Remember Jurassic World Evolution 3. Maybe we see an appearance from John Hammond and Ian Malcolm. I don't know. I don't know. Until next time. It's been our pleasure to serve you.