PS6 and Next Xbox Coming in 2027? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.13.25

Summary

Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.13.25 – "PS6 and Next Xbox Coming in 2027?"

Podcast: Kinda Funny Games Daily
Hosts: Greg Miller, Tim Gettys, Michael
Air Date: October 13, 2025
Theme: Are the PS6 and next Xbox launching in 2027? What does that mean for console cycles, next-gen hardware, and the future of gaming platforms? The crew breaks down insider reports, explores the implications for PlayStation and Xbox strategies, touches on the Switch 2, and reacts to the climate for physical games retail, all with the usual Kinda Funny banter.

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Episode Overview

The hosts discuss recent rumors and credible insider reports indicating that both Sony and Microsoft are planning major next-generation console launches in 2027 (PS6 and the next Xbox, code-named "Magnus"). They break down what these rumors mean for console cycles, the impact of the pandemic on the PS5/Xbox Series generation, and how Xbox’s rumored move toward a PC/console hybrid could reshape gaming. They also touch on leaks, retail reactions, and what the end of traditional console generations might look like.

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Major Discussion Points

1. Are PS6 and Next Xbox Releasing in 2027?

[09:13-14:15]

Key Reports:

• Multiple credible insiders claim PS6 and next-gen Xbox (“Magnus”) target 2027 launches.
• Kepler_L2 (NeoGAF/AMD hardware leaker) and Moore's Law is Dead (“MLID”) both corroborate 2027 as the internal plan barring serious delays.
• Reports suggest the next Xbox could be a console/PC hybrid aimed at challenging PCs more directly.
• Rumors also touch on a PlayStation 6 handheld device with switch-like docking.

Implications & Insights:

• 2027 marks a standard seven-year cycle from the 2020 launches but feels "early" due to pandemic-induced disruptions.
• The PS5 generation has seen heavy cross-gen support, with many key games still launched on PS4 even in 2025.
• PlayStation's internal philosophy seems focused on continuing traditional hardware generations, but Xbox appears to be orchestrating a transition into blended PC-console territory.

Notable Quote:

"Undeniably, the plan is for Microsoft and PlayStation to hit that date. That's what they're saying is, 'That is the plan.' Plans change. What changes plans the most? Things like a pandemic." – Tim Gettys [14:16]

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2. What Do Next-Gen Release Rumors Mean for Console Cycles?

[14:16-29:00]

• The PS4's late-life first-party run and pandemic supply constraints made the PS5 generation feel "truncated."
• Discussion of how generations are blurring; most PS5 games are playable on PS4.
• Awareness that console hardware exclusivity is waning: expect future consoles to emphasize cross-gen, broader platform play, and continuity over hard resets.

Quote:

"Generations matter less than they ever have. PS4 and 5, for the most part, you don't need a PS5 because you could play the majority of the best first-party PlayStation games on a PS4. Still to this day, that's starting to not be true. But five years into this thing, it's kind of crazy." – Tim Gettys [15:09]

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3. The Future of Xbox: From Console to Hybrid PC?

[16:47-23:47]

• Xbox’s next hardware may be a PC-like device: a more powerful, PC-architecture “console” that could also run Windows software.
• "If Xbox is just a brand for a family of PC hardware, is that the end of the 'console' era as we know it?"
• Hosts discuss the likelihood of this being Xbox’s “last” traditional console, and what “success” might mean in this new paradigm.

Quote:

"If [the next Xbox] is a box you put in your living room and play games on a TV — but in terms of console generations, where it is Xbox games, I think that's over." – Tim Gettys [19:22]

• Explores the challenges of building a market for an expensive, potentially $1,200 "PC console" versus traditional fixed-box consoles.
• Options for modular upgrades or hybrid approaches, but skepticism that Xbox can thread the needle between PC DIY and console simplicity.

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4. The End of the "Console Wars"?

[23:47-29:36]

• If Xbox leans into PC hardware, PlayStation may be the only remaining platform making traditional, closed console hardware for the mainstream.
• Nintendo is again in its own category, but Switch 2 is expected to drive more cross-platform experimentation.
• The retail presence of traditional consoles is shrinking, and the dominance of digital/cross-device experiences is likely to continue.

Quote:

"When it comes to all of these games being playable on previous consoles and backwards compatibility, it's whatever... I think we just move on, we can just push forward and PS5 will continue to be supported for many, many years as the PS4 will be." – Greg Miller [28:34]

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Other Key Stories & Side Segments

Target and Walmart Will Keep Selling Xbox Consoles (for Now)

[35:31-39:16]

• Despite reports of Xbox hardware vanishing from regional Targets and third-party stores like Costco, Microsoft says Target/Walmart are "committed partners."
• Hosts cast doubt: notice echoes of how retail dropped Blu-rays — isolated at first, then near-total.
• Retailers will replace poor performers (Xbox consoles) with products that sell (Switch, PlayStation, handhelds, etc.).
• Quote:

"Where there's smoke, there's fire... the consoles aren't selling." – Tim Gettys [39:16]

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Pokemon Legends: ZA Spoilers Leak Early

[41:09-42:47]

• Full Pokedex, moves, and items have leaked from datamines; ROMs are circulating.
• Streamers are online before launch: Fans should be careful on socials to avoid story/mechanic spoilers.
• Tim is less worried about spoilers this time (“Not much to spoil”), but Gen 10 would be a bigger deal for leaks.

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Avatar Legends Fighting Game Announced

[44:06-47:04]

• Pre-alpha gameplay for "Avatar Legends: The Fighting Game" debuts, with hand-drawn 2D visuals.
• Initial skepticism from the crew, but optimism when learning that fighting game industry veterans are involved (ex-Killer Instinct lead, etc.).
• 12 playable characters at launch, Season model, and cross-platform netcode planned.

Quote:

"It's cool that we're getting so many fighting games... we're clearly in the fighting game golden age, if not golden age, I might go as far as saying golden age." – Tim Gettys [44:52]

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Nintendo Switch 2 and Third-Party Games

[47:55-58:01]

• Assassin's Creed Shadows rumored for Switch 2, but likely as a downloadable “game card” (requiring substantial downloads).
• Disappointment at mixed third-party support: Nintendo needs strong ports like Star Wars Outlaws, but missed chances with Elden Ring, FF7 Remake, etc. hurt mainstream appeal.
• Possibility that if consoles get too expensive, Switch 2 could poach market share as the “affordable, good-enough” option.

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Listener Q&A / Super Chats

• Best Pikmin to start with? Consensus: “Pikmin 2.”
• Speculation on whether Xbox will ensure full backwards compatibility in the next generation (the hosts say they'd be shocked if not).
• If PS6 is a handheld with TV dock (a la Switch), could it use an external GPU for 4K gaming? Greg: “No shot… that’s an expensive solution.”
• Will future Xbox hardware allow you to run PlayStation/Steam games natively? Very likely (“That’s the future already happening with the Ally”), blurring lines between platforms.

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Standout Quotes & Moments

• On Xbox’s Future, Naming, and Brand Confusion:
  • “They're going to name it some dumbass shit though. There's no way they name it in a clean way that actually makes any sense.” – Greg Miller [61:42]
• On the end of traditional console generations:
  • “PS5 Pro… totally unnecessary. So far. Especially the games I'm playing. … When you have the choice and you’re not choosing the PlayStation, what are we doing?” – Tim Gettys [29:36]
• On retail shifts:
  • “Just because you anecdotally at your Target have this experience does not mean that it's everywhere… But where there's smoke, there's fire.” – Tim Gettys [37:25]
• On industry pessimism:
  • “I think that just I will be proven right over time. And that doesn't bring me joy because this reminds me of something very near and dear to my heart: physical media Blu-rays. Alright, I fucking hate you. And this is how it started.” – Tim Gettys [38:10]

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Notable Timestamps

• 09:13 – Start of PS6 and Xbox 2027 release discussion
• 14:16 – Pandemic impact on console cycles
• 16:47 – Xbox as a PC hybrid: The end of the “console war”?
• 23:47 – What’s next for PlayStation, Xbox, and console generations
• 35:31 – Target/Walmart and Xbox hardware shrinking at retail
• 41:09 – Pokémon ZA spoilers leak
• 44:06 – Avatar Legends Fighting Game announcement
• 47:55 – Assassin’s Creed Shadows, Switch 2, and third-party support

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Tone & Banter

True to Kinda Funny style, the episode is full of humor, zippy tangents (e.g., handcuffed Silent Hill marathons), personal asides (Greg’s Switch 2 case, giveaway attempts), and candid takes—never shying from poking fun at Microsoft’s marketing missteps or sympathizing with the “doomer” outlook about retail.

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Final Takeaways

• The next few years will see a radical reshaping of the “console” as we know it, with Xbox’s move to a more open PC hybrid perhaps signaling the end of competitive, siloed console hardware cycles.
• 2027 may feel “too soon” for new hardware, but the business incentives and internal plans point to new iterations from both Sony and Microsoft.
• Switch 2 could gain market share as hardware prices rise, but only if Nintendo nails third-party support.
• Physical games and traditional hardware at retail are on the way out; digital ecosystems and flexible, cross-platform play will dominate.
• There’s still uncertainty about exact form factors, pricing, and backward compatibility—with most expecting at least one more “real” hardware generation before the next big transition.

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For concise, speedy video game news with a side of strong opinions, in-jokes, and straight talk on what these industry shifts really mean, this episode of Kinda Funny Games Daily delivers.

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[Michael]

Cut the camera.

[Greg Miller]

They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty Liberty. Liberty Savings Ferry unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates excludes Massachusetts. Today's stories include are the PS6 and next Xbox coming in 2027? Microsoft promises retailers aren't getting rid of Xboxes. And watch out, Pokemon Za Spoilers are out there. We'll have all this and more because this is kinda Funny Games D what is up everybody? Welcome back to Kind of Funny Games Daily for Monday. What?

[Tim Getty]

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail you. We were. The gym's very out of focus. I looked and I was like, is something wrong with me? Like it was the type of out of focus that like it might be. My eyes feel a little sick. You know what I mean? Like I don't know what's going on. My bad, y'. All. My bad.

[Greg Miller]

There it is.

[Tim Getty]

No, it's okay.

[Greg Miller]

Let me. Oh yeah. Monday, October 13th my first hosting of a games daily I. I guess this year at least, because it's October with the spooky set, and it makes me feel good. Makes me feel good. Are you celebrating the spooky stuff, Tim Getty?

[Tim Getty]

No, I'm never. I mean, I guess this is how I'm celebrating being a part of this, allowing this to play so early in the goddamn month. And we're now at the point that it's like, I'm fine with it.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

We're close enough that it's like, yes, two weeks out. That is appropriate.

[Greg Miller]

Do you ever.

[Tim Getty]

October 1st. What are we doing, Greg?

[Greg Miller]

Do you ever think of. Do you ever think about just, like, pulling weight and being like, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Getty]

I don't want to get in the way of other people.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Like, if it was getting in the way of something else, then I'd be like, guys. No. But, like, whatever.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. I mean, who cares?

[Tim Getty]

It makes some people happy, and that makes me happy. Oh, I think it makes more people happy than it upsets people, you know?

[Greg Miller]

I don't think anyone's upset.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, no, people are.

[Greg Miller]

Really?

[Tim Getty]

Oh, yeah. Ton on the Internet, would you believe.

[Greg Miller]

I can't believe. I would not believe that.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah. Comment sections or. Don't. I don't advise that.

[Greg Miller]

Don't, don't. Don't check the comments section. Tim, I have something for you. I want you to try. I want you to hold onto. It's actually kind of a fortuitous moment where this morning I came into the office and I brought my Switch 2. Right. But my Switch 2 is a little bigger now, so it doesn't fit in the Tom talk.

[Tim Getty]

Oh.

[Greg Miller]

So then I come in the office and I walk onto my desk and I bring. Put my Switch two down, and I look, and I see this Kronos, The New Dawn Switch 2 case.

[Tim Getty]

That's a Switch 2 case.

[Greg Miller]

Switch 2 case. It's a chonker. It's a chonker. But it's perfect for me because inside I have my switch 2 with the dbrand kill switch.

[Tim Getty]

Kill switch. I have been waiting to get my hands on this.

[Greg Miller]

Yes, this is it right here. And it came with two little stickers on here to make it kind of like the. The blue and red to match the joysticks right there. But I want you to hold on to it. Don't turn it on or show it to the camera because I do have a lot of embargoed games there. But I want you to hold it. If anyone doesn't know the dbrand kill switch is a not A case. I guess the case. I don't know. What would you call it? Like a. Like a handheld grip?

[Tim Getty]

It's a case that also functions as a grip. And yeah, most of the problems I have with these things immediately alleviated with this.

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Tim Getty]

It feels premium. I like the kind of roughness to. It doesn't feel like just like a hard plastic.

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Tim Getty]

Like this feels like. Like it feels nice. And it's. I like where my hand goes on the Joy cons. I don't know that I need one of these myself. I'll say that I've been okay just raw dogging the Switch two.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Joy cons are. Are big enough. Like, long enough. They're not big enough, but they're long enough. I'm okay with it. I do like this, though. You're.

[Michael]

How.

[Tim Getty]

What are you feeling?

[Greg Miller]

I. It sucks because I got it literally yesterday when I came back from my trip to New York, where I was playing hours and hours of the Switch 2 on my plane. I could have used this. My. My hand was falling asleep. It was just a weird scenario. It just feels. It just doesn't feel right. And my. My. The way that my fingers. Like, my fingers are placed exactly the way that they have designed it right there. So this alleviates a lot of the issues there. It does feel a little weird because, like, I don't know, the Switch 2 is a more premium console, but also feels like a Switch one. Like, it feels like a toy. Right. So then you put that on there. It's like, oh, this is like almost a Steam deck. I don't know. It's like this weird in between where it makes it so bulky that it's not. It just up My situation where now I'm glad that I have to. I have a new.

[Tim Getty]

Does it detach?

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, sorry.

[Greg Miller]

You mean like the actual. Like the Joy cons? Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. You can.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, okay. With the grip still.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. The issue with the. With the whole thing is that you have to have a new. A dock on top of the dock. You have to slide the dock. You gotta dock the dock. You have to slide the dock. And it, like, your switch is on the outside now of your dock.

[Tim Getty]

Interesting.

[Greg Miller]

It's a weird situation there.

[Tim Getty]

Hey, I'm happy they have a solution, though.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Are you gonna get this?

[Tim Getty]

No.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Doug]

Probably not.

[Greg Miller]

Do you like my stick condoms?

[Tim Getty]

I don't. I'm not a big stick condom guy. No, no. I just want the sticks. I just want the sticks to be right out the gate. And the Joy Cons are, I'll tell you that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, no, they're not. Right?

[Tim Getty]

They're definitely not. I also use the Pro Controller 90% of the time anyways.

[Greg Miller]

Kevin, can we zoom in right here? I'm going to do something fun for the audience right here. They also sent us a code for Kronos the New dawn on Switch 2. So everybody get ready, because I'm about to fucking. You're about to zoom in. You're going to make this happen, okay? I'm going to give this away. Let's see, let's see, let's see. All right, everybody, I'm sure that's enough time. I don't.

[Tim Getty]

Kevin, is that visible at all?

[Greg Miller]

Not visible whatsoever. Roger, I don't think you can see that. I'm sorry. I can try to zoom in further. You just got to give me a minute. Everybody, it's a free game.

[Tim Getty]

It's right in front of you.

[Greg Miller]

It's over. Get the game.

[Tim Getty]

Okay, Kevin's going in. He's going.

[Greg Miller]

Game. It's a free game. Oh, yeah. You can't see. Let me see the zoom. Okay. By the end. Up again. Hold it up again.

[Tim Getty]

Well.

[Greg Miller]

Oh. Oh, there it is, everybody.

[Tim Getty]

There it is.

[Greg Miller]

That second letter. Is that second letter. Hey, it's fun. Now you get to have some fun. Is it an S? Is it a C? Is it two numbers? Who knows?

[Tim Getty]

What is it? Can I see it?

[Greg Miller]

I actually don't know. Oh, it's two.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, we gotta tell them. They'll never get.

[Greg Miller]

No, it's two. It's two. It's two numbers.

[Tim Getty]

That's a whole two numbers. Looks like the second number is actually two numbers.

[Greg Miller]

That's the type of stuff that we love doing giveaways here. Funny. We do it in the best way possible. That's all we do. And I was in New York, too, so I'm excited.

[Tim Getty]

How was that?

[Greg Miller]

Oh, my God. It was so fun. It was so fun. I went for an event that I can't talk about. I wasn't. It was around New York Comic Con, but it wasn't at New York Comic Con, which sucked, because this year marks the 10th anniversary of me going to New York Comic Con for the first time, meeting you guys. Very cool meeting Greg for the first time and doing all that. And talk about that a little bit later. In the Greg way. In the Greg way.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, very cool.

[Greg Miller]

But of course. Welcome to Kind of Funny Games Daily, where each and every weekday, we run you through the nerdy news you need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch and podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the kind of funny membership on Patreon, YouTube and now Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube Music to get all of our shows ad free. Watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show for a chance to be a part of the show. Submit your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go. We want to hear your thoughts already. See one from Cozy Bear who says happy Canadian Thanksgiving, shout out. And Happy Indigenous People Day as well. Housekeeping. We're an 11 person business all about live talk shows. Today after KFG you'll get Gamescast which is huge because breaking news. Nick is going to reveal his game of the year.

[Tim Getty]

Wow. I wonder what could.

[Greg Miller]

I wonder what it could be. It's going to be a big reveal. It might be blueprints.

[Tim Getty]

It is. This is a real thing though. This is a real like he does love this game. This isn't a Xenoblade situation.

[Greg Miller]

I don't know about this.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, we had Nick infamously used to preview and review Xenoblade Chronicles games for us and yeah, I don't know how.

[Greg Miller]

I don't remember.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, he. Nick reviewed Xenoblade Chronicles X for us back on the Wii U. Did he ever play it? I don't think so. But you know, kind of funny everybody. That's awesome. I guess.

[Greg Miller]

And yeah, but he has a game that he really loves that is not Xenoblade. Or maybe it is then the stream is Battlefield takes with him. Sponsored Nvidia action. Very exciting stuff. If you're kind of funny member you get today's Greg Way, which is me and my mom. Oh, me and my mom sat down, we had like a 15 to 20 minute conversation about my history, you know, supporting a son with a very, very silly dream and just a little bit of her history and background. So I can't wait to watch. You all should. You should all listen to it and watch it because my mom is a gem and I think you guys will fall in love with her and I think she's gonna be. One day she'll be on a podcast. One day she'll be on a podcast. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney. The Psalm Twining. Today we're brought to you by Shady Rays. But we'll tell you about that a little later. For now, let's begin with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. It's time for some new six stories today. Story number one, PS6 and next Xbox consoles are both aiming for 2027 releases separate claims Report Separate Reports Claim From Chris scullion over at VGC Kepler L2 an insider who has accurately reported on AMD hardware in the past claims in a NeoGAF thread didn't know that still existed. That's me saying that that Sony's plan to release the PS5 PS6 in 2027 in a thread discussing Sony and AMD's recent video recent video Sorry. In a thread discussing Sony and AMD's recent video explaining future technology, a discussion arose around Mark Cerny's claim that the new tech would be coming to a quote, future console in a few years time. When one user claimed that this meant 2028 at the earliest when taken literally, another user suggested that Cerny's use of a few wasn't necessarily to be taken literally and that a 2027 release could be possible. Kepler L2 agreed, saying that a 2027 release is quote, not just on the table, it's the plan unless any unexpected delays happen on the same day. Hardware hardware insider Moore's Law is dead. M L I D posted a video claiming to show the AMD Magnus AMA apu, which he says is set to form part of Microsoft's next gen Xbox console. While discussing the specs of the chip, which he describes as cheap for a PC but expensive for a console, MLID stressed numerous times that the console is planned for 2027 release. It is quote it is targeting a 2027 release, he said. And I want to be clear that I that since the recent Xbox magnus videos and rdna 5 videos I have put out there, I've heard from even more sources that Microsoft is taking talking to partners behind the scenes and just openly saying 2027 is when Magnus launches. The video also suggests, as per previous speculation, that Microsoft's next console may be looking towards more of a console PC hybrid setup rather than competing directly with PS6 with a straight console. Discussing the console's large APU, which combines CPU and GPU on a single chip, he said it should be stronger than the PS6, but at the same time it will also be more expensive because of this larger size and its use of bridge dies and likely a larger RAM capacity compared to the PS6. At least if it wants to work well as a PC console hybrid. But you know what? That's okay. I think this time around Xbox is going to be much more than a console. It should also be something that can run more than just Xbox apps and challenging the PC gaming market at least somewhat directly, end of quote. In a separate video posted two months ago, MLID claimed that Sony is planning a PlayStation 6 handheld with Switch style television docking capabilities. Neither Sony nor Microsoft have shared concrete information on their next gen consoles beyond confirmation that both are working on them and both are in partnership with amd. Lot to talk about, lots to go from, I guess I want to talk with just the. The date 2027. Is that too early for next gen consoles?

[Tim Getty]

I think the answer for most people is yes. I think there's a lot to break down there. Even with that one question. I think that undeniably the plan is for Microsoft and PlayStation to hit that date. That's what they're saying is that is the plan. Plans change. Yeah. And what changes plans the most? Things like a pandemic. I feel like this is the normal seven year life cycle. When you look back at where PlayStation's been, it's like, yeah, 2027 adds up. 2020 was when PS5 came out. So yes, it is quote unquote time. But because of the pandemic, it made it way harder for people to get their hands on PS5s in the early days than previous generations. And on top of that, obviously the hit on game development and where we look at this generation's first party games and we're not seeing the exclusive run that we saw before. That's for a lot of reasons. It's not just the pandemic, but it's also because we prior to the pandemic and during the start of like the start of the pandemic was the end of PlayStation's dominant first party run with Last of us to Ghost of Tsushima. Right. Like those both summer of the pandemic and then launching the PS5 and then we got those like launch titles and you know, kind of rolled on and here we are now where it's like, all right, cool, big ones. Spider Man 2. We just got Ghosts of Yote. Otherwise Death Stranding. We got some of the exclusives. We still got a lot of games. Like I, I am not one of these people that's like, oh man, the PS5 generation is a was or whatever. It's like, no, it's actually amazing. It's just not what the end of the PS4S was. I still think we have a lot of juice left though. Having said that, I. We are already living in a moment where generations matter less than they ever have. PS4 and 5 for the most part. You don't need a PS5 because you could play the majority of the best first party PlayStation games on a PS4. Still to this day that's starting to not be true. But the fact that it's still starting in 20, 25, five years into this thing, it's like that's kind of crazy. Right? But I also think that the time of a generation having exclusive games that are only on it might be over. We might already be at this point where we'll get a handful of PS5 exclusives, but more than anything it'll be the PS5, PS6 Cross Gen titles. Right. And that's me, just Tom. A PlayStation. The Xbox side I feel like we've been talking about for a year now because of all the changes they've made where yes, they're making a PC. Like that's what's happening.

[Greg Miller]

Cool. Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Like that's where the market is, that's where they've fit themselves and that's where the strategy shows they should go. So I do think the PlayStation handheld, that's like a Switch type thing.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that's also confusing to me where it's like, is that just the console? Like is it, is it just PS6 is a switch competitor or are we doing two different SKUs? And that's like kind of their S model. Like there's so many. I think that. You think. So you think that they would split up the marketplace in that way?

[Tim Getty]

I think PlayStation is still relatively dominating this game to the extent that they are going to continue putting out dedicated hardware that they do think is the best hardware and that gamers think of as the best console hardware. We are still at a point where there's console gaming and PC gaming more and more by the day. That is getting grayer and grayer, but it is not yet black and white. And I think PlayStation is going to hold out as long as they possibly can. And I think, I mean Nintendo's a game of their own. We're not even going to talk about them but like with the, the competitors in the space that they're in, PlayStation and Xbox, Xbox is already like it. We're going full PC, PlayStation. I think that they're still selling consoles, they're still making games to sell consoles. Like they're still in the exclusive race, right? Yeah. And they're dabbling, making the money on PC. But I don't think that this generation is the time that they give up the ghost there.

[Greg Miller]

Oh no, no, no, no.

[Tim Getty]

I do think it could be the last generation. I know we've been saying that forever, but really I do think it's the last.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, so there's a lot, there's a lot to break down with that you just said. I, I, I go back and forth on like what the last generation of consoles looks like. And I don't think that we're going to see specifically with Xbox going in this PC direction. I just think that that is if we will never PS7 will exist. Will it be its own dedicated handheld psychiatry 7, PS7 after this generation, I think there will be another generation past this. What does that look like? It could be a PC. Right? It could be some variation of that. It could be that.

[Tim Getty]

To me. Then that means it's over. Yes, yes. I'm saying more like we're thinking of this as a traditional console.

[Greg Miller]

Yes. Okay. So do you, so do you see the Xbox going as a PC hybrid? As them just.

[Tim Getty]

It's over, it's over. And really that's fine though. Again, over. What are we talking about? Over being console. And I think that that's where Xbox is trapped right now is they have their console and PC and they're focusing on the PC side of things. With their ecosystem of even looking at the, the, the handheld that's coming out. The Ally X. Right. The Xbox Ally X, it doesn't play Xbox games. It plays Xbox PC games. I think that that is just gonna, eventually they're gonna solve that or not. And the Xbox, PC games, that's just what Xbox games are going to be. Yeah. And so who cares what we're calling this? Whether it's PC or console, whatever. If it is a box that you can put in your living room and play games on a tv. But I think in terms of console generation where it is Xbox games, I think that that's over.

[Greg Miller]

Okay. So when it comes to the Xbox.

[Tim Getty]

Let me say one more thing.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

And this might be getting into a story later.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

I think it's over whether Xbox wants it to be or not.

[Greg Miller]

And what do you mean by over? Like the Xbox brand is just. It doesn't work with gamers. Are we just.

[Tim Getty]

No, no, no. I think Xbox brand, I think the Xbox brand is going to work.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Tim Getty]

I think the Xbox brand is, I think the Xbox consoles being like, you.

[Greg Miller]

Don'T see this as being a success if they were to figure out some type of PC Steam box hybrid type deal.

[Tim Getty]

God, it's this.

[Greg Miller]

Because so much I'm like nuance to.

[Tim Getty]

The words that I'm trying to say here.

[Greg Miller]

I understand.

[Tim Getty]

I feel like a success. Yes. It will not be in competition with something that we're talking about selling.

[Greg Miller]

It's a completely different market.

[Tim Getty]

Yes, exactly. And so that one console that they are making might sell 20, 30 million units or whatever, and then also a bunch of other OEM and a bunch of other PC makers and stuff. And that's how the Xbox experience is being spread out. It's just there won't be the one family of systems that's competing with the PlayStation in terms of hardware sales. Like we're already there, but like it's only going to be exacerbated by all of that.

[Greg Miller]

Yes, absolutely. And I look forward to whatever that Xbox PC hybrid is in terms of the messaging of how they're focusing on next generation Xbox games. Right. Are they even going to have like a mandate for these developers of like, hey, if you're making a game for Xbox, it has to be like a game that is actually optimized for Xbox or are they just going to say, oh, if it runs on PC it's fine, we'll just call it an Xbox thing, put it up on the marketplace and it'll be fine. People can tinker with the settings. Maybe there's an Xbox optimized little logo next to some of the games. But if there is no next generation like actual push for them to make Xbox branded video games that they're either selling physically or even in a storefront, like, and it's just like, hey, it's just in the Microsoft launcher and it's a technically just a PC game. Because there has to be some type of dual boot situation. And if the dual boot is just for legacy games, then it's over.

[Tim Getty]

Does there.

[Greg Miller]

I think there will be, I think there will be some type of way for people to play their legacy series games or 360 games or whatever it is, all the backwards compatibility stuff that they have going on there on this console, I think that's going to be the killer app here. And the killer feature here is that you can play all of your games that you've ever owned on Xbox stuff, do some type of compatibility layer and then they're not. This is not going to be an Xbox ally situation where it's just a PC that has Xbox branding on it that it can't, it can't be. And if that's.

[Tim Getty]

Well, I mean, I think it can be. I think it should be. I'm interested here with what you're saying about the, the dual boot. Are you talking dual boot? Are you talking more like the Wii U functioned with we backwards compatibility or like the Xbox 360 even. Right?

[Greg Miller]

Kind of like that.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Okay. I mean y buy that for sure.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, for sure.

[Tim Getty]

But I don't think that that is the focus of the thing at all.

[Greg Miller]

So you're saying that.

[Tim Getty]

I think that gets the same.

[Greg Miller]

There's no Xbox mode and then I guess PC gaming mode. Right. It's just, and that's you just a compatibility layer.

[Tim Getty]

In my opinion, this is the big problem and Xbox just needs to be the games that you're currently playing today. And that's going forward. PC games.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

And that's the, the to solve the problem that you're bringing up about the physical Xbox games in stores. Those days are done. Yeah, I think those days are done.

[Greg Miller]

I mean I, I right now.

[Tim Getty]

But they were.

[Greg Miller]

We are next generation. It's going to be over with. Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you. I don't.

[Tim Getty]

Maybe, maybe there's still there's Xbox first party games but like third party Xbox branding games. I feel like that would be a different type of.

[Greg Miller]

No, and definitely not physically. At the very least, like it's going to be. I definitely will see them making the move of like, hey, we have partnered with every game Pass game has some type of Xbox optimization where they've looked in there and they have a dev unit and they've made sure that these games run on this apu. But it's just, it's also like an interesting scenario of like where we're going specifically with Xbox and like the whole PC hybrid situation of like if this console, let's say is twelve hundred dollars, which console PC is twelve hundred dollars. Which I wouldn't be surprised by. I wouldn't bat an eye if this is like, hey, we're in the PC architecture space. This is a PC that also plays Xbox stuff. It's competitive in that space. Right? I mean $1200 can't buy you too much when it comes to a gaming PC that is going to push the boundaries of stuff.

[Tim Getty]

So careful what you say though, Rog. People are going to get real mad.

[Greg Miller]

I'm sure if you go and you get, if you get a bunch of used parts and everything, you can make it work. But I mean inflation's so insane. I mean fucking GPUs are so expensive at this point.

[Tim Getty]

Paying for a standard that devs can build against that, that is the thing. There's value there and that's what you're paying for for on top of actually getting the, the tech.

[Greg Miller]

And also, you know, if you are building a PC and you know, a Micro ATX motherboard. It's just, it's a lot. So to have this thing that works for me, like, I'm excited for that possibility of having a PC that I can just pick up that I know these games will run. There's going to be no issues that could put in my living room. I do think that there is a little bit of weirdness and I don't want to get in my soapbox about this of like a PC that is not going to be upgradable, that you're paying, you know, a premium price for at that point. Then I think that there's a little bit of this weird, nebulous gray area for me where I'm like, I don't, I don't know if I can fully support that.

[Tim Getty]

I mean, so what's funny there is, I think that that's what the hybrid is, right? Like, and because, like, what is a PC console hybrid? Like, what do we actually mean when we're talking about this? Because to me it is. It's the benefits of the PC gaming side of things, which is storefronts, which is, you know, flexibility with being able to tune and like a lot more settings, I think is kind of the vibe. Right. And I do think that already consoles are more upgradable or even like tunable than they've ever been. Like, look, even in terms of what SSDs.

[Greg Miller]

Sure.

[Tim Getty]

Things like that. Like, and there's examples going back to the past of being able to put a bunch of.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, but a lot of those were proprietary, right. So being able to just buy one.

[Tim Getty]

Western digital SSD and you plug it in and it works and like enhances your experience gaming, it's like, that is not what how things used to be. Right. And I feel like the, what you're talking about, this, the new potential Xbox situation, it's like, I do think it'll have more upgradeability than we've seen before, but I just don't. It's not going to have Limitless, but.

[Greg Miller]

It'S not going to be like the.

[Tim Getty]

Framework, but then it's like, then buy a PC. Like, I feel like that's the thing is like.

[Greg Miller]

But also if you're. If it's going to be competitive or at least in the sphere of PC gaming in terms of pricing, then I think that we have. If it's like severely like, hey, this $1,200, the best thing that you're going to possibly find, that's about that same price, you know, is going to be $3,000. Okay, now we have a conversation. But if we're talking like a $300 difference, $500 difference. I don't know, then, you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I. I don't think that this is going to be. It's going to be competitive, but it's not going to be as competitive as I think we think it would be. I could see this thing being very, very expensive.

[Tim Getty]

I mean.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Which it's.

[Greg Miller]

And literally marketing it as, like, Xbox. I know they said they're not going to do this, but, like, I could see eventually, by the time we get there, trying their hardest to make this connected to the surface branding, connected to selling this thing inside of Best Buys and try to be like, hey, this is a computer. Computer. And trying to go that route. And I. Yeah, I don't.

[Tim Getty]

God, man, you're in a mess, everybody.

[Greg Miller]

It's a weird situation that we're in. Yeah. But when it comes down to it, if we have this, do you think that this is the only console that Xbox launches? Do you think we just have this PC, Xbox hybrid? Do you think they also go the handheld thing? If the Xbox ally is a success, where do you think we go with this?

[Tim Getty]

I mean, I think that the Xbox ally situation is direct evidence of their future plans. Yeah, Like, I think that we are going to get many different Xboxes across different brands. Maybe they double down with Asus, maybe they don't. But, like, I think that the Xbox OS that they're using, I mean, I think we're going to see it on many other devices in the coming years. And I think that because of that, it's almost an impossible question to answer with a no, because there's going to be a lot of Xboxes, I think.

[Greg Miller]

But that also means everyone could download the Xbox, you know, Launcher or whatever.

[Tim Getty]

On their thing, on their TV even, you know, like with cloud and all that stuff. So the way that they're pushing this, it's like, yeah, I do think that it's. Xbox is. Xbox is not dying as a brand. I do not think so for now. If they make enough. If they make enough decisions, make enough moves that piss off Microsoft, at any moment, it can just be slashed and then more layoffs than have ever happened in the history of the world will go down. That is a real thing that could happen. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't. Yeah, but we'll see.

[Greg Miller]

We'll see. And I don't think 2027, it's too soon because of the pandemic. But it's with, with where we're at when it comes to, as you mentioned, when it comes to all of these games being playable on previous consoles and backwards compatibility, it's whatever, like yeah, of course I don't think they're going to, I don't think this is going to slip. Actually I do. If I were to betting man, I would say 2027 for sure because I. They have the timeline of like hey, we need to make X amount of money on these dates and just putting out in 2027 there's going to be hype, there's going to be a fervor around it. Even if Intergalactic is a cross gen game like Ragnarok and that's like the thing that ends the PS6 and then starts the PS7.

[Tim Getty]

I'm sorry, Sony Santa Monica's game as well.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly right. Like we're at the point where I think we just move on, we can just push forward and PS5 will continue to be, you know, supported for many, many years as the PS4 will be. And we will talk about a game that is just being announced now that is coming out on PS4 pretty soon, which is crazy. We're just at that place now where things are getting expensive. People are holding on to these consoles so moving forward for them it's like it's going to be like Apple. It's like we don't care if you didn't buy the last gen one. We're going to keep on going. We're just going to keep on doing this, we're going to keep on making.

[Tim Getty]

And I know a lot of people, especially listening to this show from that grew up in a traditional console space, they don't want to hear that.

[Greg Miller]

Which I did.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, you know, I get that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

But I'm with you, Roger. I do think that that is the future that we're going to. Will it hit 2027? I don't know that for sure but I don't disagree with your logic at all.

[Greg Miller]

And if we were to like actually like fantasy book this and bring this out as karate in the YouTube chat says, PS6 shouldn't be until 2029, 2030. It's too soon. Yeah, I would probably say that too. I'd be like 2028, 2039. But it's just like they're not going to. It doesn't stop them making money.

[Tim Getty]

We don't need it.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, we don't need it.

[Tim Getty]

We do not need.

[Greg Miller]

We have a pro.

[Tim Getty]

I Want that clear? We agree. We do not. And also with the Pro, like I, you know this, y' all know this. Listening. I love PlayStation. I love tech. I want to be able to play my PlayStation games as good as possible. The PS5 Pro has a lot of issues. I know the pisser stuff. Like I've had a great experience with mine. Having said that, totally unnecessary.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Like so far. Especially like the games that I'm playing and a lot of this has to go down. I have to say this has to go back to the fact that I also am playing way more on PC. Like when I think about the last couple games I played, like I played Expedition 33 on PC. Why'd I do that? Because I wanted to be able to play on my Steam Deck handheld because I was traveling a lot and I knew it was going to be a severely less amazing experience. But at least I could play it and then when I'm at home, I could play it with my decked out PC. I am in an incredibly privileged position that I could say what I just said of I chose not to play it on my PS5 Pro because I want to be able to play it even better on a PC and portably. Right, I understand that. But there's a lot of people that do have the same situation I do of having the choice. And when you have the choice and you're not choosing the PlayStation, what are we doing?

[Greg Miller]

Yep.

[Tim Getty]

Yep.

[Greg Miller]

Well, we have a lot more to talk about when it comes to Xbox and consoles, but we'll tell you all about that after a word from our sponsors.

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[Greg Miller]

I'm gonna go really quick to a super chat before we continue on. Brand cakes asks Tim. Hey, Tim.

[Tim Getty]

Hey.

[Greg Miller]

Quick question. Which Pikmin game is the best to get into? If I've never played any, I am.

[Tim Getty]

The wrong person to ask that. You need to ask Lakers head Mike's also the rod. Mike's going to say Pikmin 4. Only Pikmin 4.

[Greg Miller]

Mike here, he's not here.

[Tim Getty]

But I'm sure Pikmin 4 is actually a great answer.

[Greg Miller]

We will never know. Sorry.

[Tim Getty]

Here he is, Big Mike, we have.

[Greg Miller]

A big question for you. Oh, wow.

[Tim Getty]

Joining stage.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, wow. You look good, Michael.

[Michael]

Roger, I missed you.

[Tim Getty]

Hi, Roger.

[Greg Miller]

Miss you too, Michael. Mike, can you believe that in a few weeks we're gonna do the Silent Hill stream?

[Michael]

Can you believe in a few weeks, next week, right, Mike and Roger are gonna descend to darkness.

[Tim Getty]

Okay.

[Michael]

We're gonna find the darkest pits and we're gonna explore.

[Tim Getty]

What are you guys doing?

[Greg Miller]

Oh, yeah, give him the pitch.

[Michael]

Give them the pitch. Okay, Tim, what if I told you we're gonna play a little game? We're gonna be handcuffed together here inside the studio and we have to beat Silent Hill F with the kind of funny best friend support. But if Roger wants to get some separation from me, we have to play Saw Minigames Divide created by Kevin and Nick, where they've hidden keys around the studio. To get a longer chain for these handcuffs, Roger has to find these keys while dragging us around.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, I thought it was supposed to.

[Greg Miller]

Be a you and I thing.

[Michael]

Yeah, well, you know, I want to stay close. Like I'm not gonna help at all. And then we've also divided up the meal because of course, everyone knows here the kind of funny marathon stream. It's about the meals. It's about the time spent together. And Mike likes to eat big. But this time I might not be able to.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna split the meals. We're gonna split the meals. We have to order one meal that we have to share.

[Tim Getty]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

So we have to kind of game it a little bit.

[Tim Getty]

So you split meals. You're handcuffed together. You need the keys from the Saw traps.

[Greg Miller]

So we can get.

[Tim Getty]

We're not a longer handcuff. If you eat the meals and then you need to poopoo.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. We're gonna have a really long chain. We're gonna figure it out. We have to still talk about some things. Mike is very.

[Tim Getty]

These are the questions that you will see how they ask. You will figure out week. Next Friday.

[Michael]

Next Friday.

[Greg Miller]

Next Friday.

[Tim Getty]

Next Friday, everybody. How's everybody doing? Y' all feeling good?

[Greg Miller]

You're just gonna hang out all day? Brand cake. No. I have a question for you. Brand cakes asked Tim, but he's the wrong person to ask. What's the best Pikmin game to get into?

[Michael]

Oh, man, I like the recent Pikmin. Of course, Pikmin 4. I think a lot of people will point to Pikmin 2, maybe 23 combo on that. But everybody's pointing to me saying, play Pikmin 1 through 4. You can't go wrong, you know. But I think probably two and then four for me has been the most fun.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, Lakers head. Where you at? I want you in the chat because he. He's the one that, like, he's a Pikmin man, you know?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Story number two also, Roger, thank you.

[Michael]

For defending all of my old Xbox games. Great conversation about the Xbox. But, yeah, that is just like a nice layer of like, something to think about with backwards compatibility and how hard they pushed, but also, like moving into this next new generation. Hey, all these games that Mike has purchased over the years, I would still love those to come with me. How do we require that? Yeah, so, yeah, great job.

[Greg Miller]

Roger Sanchez says. I bet Roger amputates his hand before the handcuffs even go on.

[Tim Getty]

I also want to clear. Yeah, I do think there's no way that Microsoft doesn't preserve the backwards compatibility.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, no, that would be a huge.

[Tim Getty]

I think Xbox will not exist before that happens.

[Greg Miller]

That'd be a huge, huge deal if they're not able to do that. Story number two, Target Walmart will keep selling Xbox consoles despite Costco's move. This is from James Peckham over at PC Mag. Some US Retailers are removing Xbox products from sale in their stores. But that won't be the case for either Target or Walmart. Over the weekend, a popular post on Reddit showed a user's local Target removing the Xbox section from its store. The post said, quote, the electronics manager says they will no longer carry systems, games or accessories. The same manager told the Reddit user that all Target stores in the Kansas City area plan to remove Xbox products from sale. Some other users took to the comment section of the post to say they've seen similar cases in their local Target. And some said they hadn't seen Xbox consoles in their local Walmart for months. Now Microsoft has confirmed that it won't remove Xboxes from sale at all Target and Walmart stores. In a statement to Windows Central, it said Target and Walmart, among other retailers, remain committed partners for Xbox consoles, accessories and games. Mike, are you coming in here? Are you just running around? Oh, geez.

[Tim Getty]

Like he's actually just running around the studio, man, this poor Xbox team, they.

[Michael]

Can'T catch a break.

[Tim Getty]

Give him a weekend. Give him one weekend, man. These people have families week after week, month after month, month. They just can't catch a break on these Reddit forums, these Twitter posts. They can't catch anything. You know, hey, team, we got stuff coming out in the future. Ah, shit, I'm gonna make something they'd.

[Michael]

Never selling the console again. Boom.

[Tim Getty]

Fucking nose dive for the next month and a half. Yeah, man, look, this is. We're in a not fun place, right? No, we're talking about. We have Reddit, we have. We have Target managers talking to Reddit users.

[Greg Miller]

You never want that. Hey, everybody, if someone walks up to you says, hey, I'm a Reddit, use.

[Tim Getty]

Or don't talk to them, just walk away. Walk away. Yeah, so obviously like this, this is one of those situations where it is. The definition of your location may vary, right? Where just because you anecdotally at your target have this experience does not mean that it's everywhere. However, where there's smoke, there's fire, and what I will bring up and I. People are going to say I'm a doomer about all this and I simply don't care because I think that just I will be proven right over time. And that doesn't bring me joy because this reminds me of something very near and dear to my heart. Physical media Blu Rays. All right, I fucking hate you. And this is how it started. This is exactly how it started.

[Greg Miller]

Reddit, like, some places are moving in. It's like, no, not everybody.

[Tim Getty]

Some places, okay, well, just this brand's not. And then whatever. And then Reddit users are going to managers being like, yo, Best Buy, what's happening? And they're like, yo, it's over. We are getting rid of them now. And then someone else was like, an article's posted, it's a whole doom and gloom thing. And someone's like, no, no, no, mine said this and mine said that and whatever. And then Within a year, there's no more Blu Rays on shelves, period. So that's again, that's an anecdote in a different way. This is a different situation.

[Greg Miller]

But how. It's not that different. And also like again, let's go back to the quote that Microsoft provided Windows Central quote, Target and Walmart, among other retailers, remain committed partners for Xbox consoles, accessories and games. Does that. That leaves room for the fact that they can just remove all Xbox stuff this generation and come back next generation. Right. Like there doesn't. That doesn't say, oh, they're keeping all Xbox series consoles. Do not worry about it. It is just the Xbox brand exists and we're still partners with these people. So I, I'm with you on this. I don't think that this is happening because of an accident or a bunch of smaller places that are just being a little weird and kooky. These consoles are clearly not selling and that's what's happening.

[Tim Getty]

The consoles aren't selling. It's not some weird gotcha thing. It's not no console.

[Greg Miller]

It's what they're not selling.

[Tim Getty]

The store sells things and the things aren't selling.

[Greg Miller]

They're not selling. And then all the prices just went up again.

[Tim Getty]

I know.

[Greg Miller]

So like they're not gonna, they're definitely not gonna sell now. Like it's, it's, it's. We're at the place where. Yeah. Also these, these locations are limited on space. So you remove a bunch of a whole Xbox section, you can double up on the Switch section, you could double up on the PlayStation section, you can have a Steam section or whatever the hell you want to do. Right. Like you can, you can, you can have all of these handheld consoles that are available. You could have the Xbox ally if you really want over there. Like there's a lot of other things that you can put in its stay that you know, clearly Xbox is not selling. So. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I agree with you. I think that when there's smoke, there's fire. But yeah, I guess Xbox and Target and Walmart are committed to the Xbox brand one way or another. Story number three, this is big for you, Tim. PSA Pokemon Legends spoilers are out in the wild ahead of its release this week. Ed Nightingale over on your gamer reports. Pokemon Legends ZA will release later this week on Switch and Switch 2. But already spoilers have flooded the Internet. Illegal ROM sites already have unauthorized copies of the full game, which has now been data mined for information. As such, if you're looking to avoid spoilers we advise being extremely cautious on social media until its game's release on this Thursday 16th October. Thanks to dataminers, the complete Pokedex and all moves and items have leaked, including Mega Evolution on top of those officially revealed by the Pokemon company. I also want to note right here there's something I saw on Reddit R gaming leaks and rumors that people have allegedly have figured out some form of source code and early builds of the game. So that's also floating around the Internet right there and going back to the article. What's more, there are already numerous streamers playing the game on Twitch ahead of launch. How fearful are you of this specific game being spoiled for you? Can this game be spoiled?

[Tim Getty]

Me personally, I'm cool on this one.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

This one being spoiled. There's not, there's not much. Yeah I mean I don't know. I mean who the there's all you don't know what you don't know. But if gen 10 stuff I'm a bit more sacred about but even then I'm not that concerned. What's gentle the 10th generation of Pokemon. Oh Scarlet Violet were the 9th generation.

[Greg Miller]

Oh okay.

[Tim Getty]

Gen 10 will be revealed on February 27th, 2026.

[Greg Miller]

Oh okay.

[Tim Getty]

It'll be the 10th generation Pokemon celebrating.

[Greg Miller]

30 years of huge apparently someone said that there's Gen 10 leaks.

[Tim Getty]

Cool. They're like well my life's no, but this, this sucks. I, I, this is the type of thing where it's like God we're so close and I don't know how it happens with Pokemon every single time. They are so tight knit and so good about not like they're so weird, they're so freaking weird about stuff and somehow Pokemon games leak every sing every and this happens every people get full.

[Greg Miller]

Ass copies every single time streaming it.

[Tim Getty]

And then all the the surprises because yeah like the Mega Evolutions like the ones that aren't announced, I do want to find those out in game. Like I know it's not spoiler in the sense of like oh man, this character dies or this character marries but.

[Greg Miller]

You want the review, you want the moment.

[Tim Getty]

You want the moment of like oh wow I didn't know that you know.

[Greg Miller]

This guy would look like gonna get.

[Tim Getty]

A Mega Evolution that doesn't even work, you know but yeah so that, that sucks. Be safe out there. I'm excited for Gen 10. Yeah, I'm excited for obviously too.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Hell yeah. Story number four Avatar Legends the fighting game was canceled last year but now it's back with a debut gameplay trailer And a new developer whose entire existence is about giving games quote, a second life. This is Wesley Yinpool over at ign. Kevin, I didn't put the link in here. I'm sorry about that. If you can just Google, go onto YouTube and type in Avatar Legends the fighting game and pull up the little teaser that posted yesterday, that'd be great. Going back to the article, the pre alpha footage trailer for Avatar Legends the fighting game has got fans of the enormously popular Avatar the last Airbender animated series excited. But there are questions over exactly the type of game fans can expect and who's developing it. Avatar Legends, the fighting game is described as being, quote, rooted in the spirit of elemental mastery. Its official blurb continues, quote. Designed for both newcomers and veterans, it channels the energy of classic fighting games while breaking new ground in movement style and combat expression. Built with a focus on fluidity, responsiveness and online online integrity, the game invites players to discover what is what it truly means to fight with purpose. Hand drawn in 2D, it is crafted to preserve the style and expressive animation of the original series. And we're looking at the trailer right now, a little teaser that they showed at near comic con and it looks awesome.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, it's, it's funny. It really looks like those old like nickelodeon.com flash games.

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Tim Getty]

But like mega, mega modernized.

[Greg Miller]

There was one back in the day, I believe that was a fighting game that was on Nickelodeon website and I used to play all the time.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, it's funny because this first off, love the name. Like unironically. I'm like, yeah, this is how you, you title an avatar fighting game.

[Greg Miller]

I think it is, it's work in progress. But the name.

[Tim Getty]

Oh well, you don't actually.

[Greg Miller]

I hate it.

[Tim Getty]

You nailed it. Don't change it. But yeah, this, it's, it's cool that we're getting so many fighting games. Like we are clearly in the. The fighting game. Like yeah, if not golden age, I might go as far as saying golden age. Like of course there's the like 90s arcade boom and all that stuff, but.

[Greg Miller]

We just have so much high quality, high quality stuff.

[Tim Getty]

And esports is bigger and more taken more seriously than it's ever been. And across multiple titles. It's not like we just have one or two dominant forces. Like there are like six or seven viable options with more coming every year.

[Greg Miller]

We have an invincible fighting game.

[Tim Getty]

We're getting an invisible fighting game. We're getting this. It's like. And I look at this and three, four years ago, if I read the story. Without looking at the trailer, I would have been like, okay, good luck. Yeah, now I see this, I'm like, good luck.

[Greg Miller]

Hell yeah.

[Tim Getty]

I don't necessarily have faith, but I, I have hope, you know, and that's a hope I wouldn't have had years ago.

[Greg Miller]

New hope. Let me give you a little bit more new information on this because it's really interesting. 12 player playable characters are expected at launch with many more released via a seasonal model. There are selected. There are selectable support characters who quote, influence your fighting style and grant special moves. The unique flow system provides movement centric gameplay. There's a single player campaign with an original narrative combo trials, a gallery mode and Best in class netcode and crossplay. Going a little further, they talk a little bit about the developer of the game. According to the Steam website, it is Gameplay Group International acquires and reimagines commerce. Sorry, sorry. Let me go around here. The developer, let me see if I can find the developer's name. But it's underneath something called Gameplay Group International, which acquires and reimagines, quote, commercially unrealized games. It was founded by Victor Lugo, who was for a time lead designer at Iron Galaxy, working on Killer Instinct, and Philip Mays, who was managing director of Australian games company Mighty Kingdom, which has a number of licensed games under its belt. You should read the entire article on ign. They go into detail of like where. Because you've. I don't know if you remember this game was like a thing and was like supposed to be worked with the people that made them fighting herds. I don't know if you remember that fighting game.

[Tim Getty]

Everything you just said, it's like, oh shit. I take back like not having faith.

[Greg Miller]

I have. Yeah, they, they were working on that game and then they. That like was canceled like in like just a random press release of like hey, this game is canceled. Like we didn't even know anything about it. And then now this game is being brought back and it has a new team and that team is pretty unknown, but it seems like they are under the guidance of at least people that are fighting game veterans.

[Tim Getty]

That's good stuff, man.

[Greg Miller]

So yeah, we have. Yeah, exciting and it looks good.

[Tim Getty]

You know Tim, Lakers head is in the chat. Yes, tell me we have a Lakers head, everybody. Lakers head. I'm going to keep my eye over here.

[Greg Miller]

I think I saw Lakers. I think I saw Mike respond and say, see, I knew I was right. So I'm pretty sure that it was the answer.

[Tim Getty]

If the correct answer is all of them. I don't want that. Tell me the one.

[Greg Miller]

Tell me the one.

[Tim Getty]

Tell me the one.

[Greg Miller]

Well, you know what? If we can figure out the one, that'd be pretty big news. I'm tired of big news. I would want something smaller. Maybe the tiniest news I need to know about. Where would I go?

[Tim Getty]

You go to our last story, the WE News Channel, where you can know all the small news items you need to know about.

[Greg Miller]

Don't question the Wii news whenever it wants.

[Tim Getty]

I was questioning. It comes wherever it was. I distracted myself.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Tim Getty]

I'm in my head.

[Greg Miller]

I know, I know. Story number five. Assassin's Creed Shadows is going to get another Switch. Sorry. Jesus Christ. Nintendo Assassin's Creed Shadows gets another Nintendo Switch 2 leak and it looks like it's going to be another game card. This is from Vicky Blake over at ign. A French retailer has all but confirmed Assassin's Creed Shadows is indeed coming to Nintendo Switch 2. And it looks like it's going to be another controversial game key card. So just heads out, heads up for that. Eventually that's going to be out and.

[Tim Getty]

About and that sucks. Obviously not a fan of game key cards. There's reasons for them. Do I like that? No. But I will say Ubisoft so far on the good list for Switch 2 ports. Star Wars Outlaws. Hey, thumbs up across the board. So hopefully Assassin's Creed Shadows, it's a similar story.

[Greg Miller]

I might try it out. I will via vgc. Lego Party and Tetris Time Warp will be both available to stream on Netflix and this holiday on your phone you can play. You can just connect to your phone. You can just pull it up on your tv.

[Tim Getty]

Is that how that works?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that's what. That's what the article said. At least that you can just. It's on your TV and you can use your phone as a controller.

[Tim Getty]

I don't know that I'd want to play Lego Party with a phone.

[Greg Miller]

I haven't played it. Yeah, I don't know.

[Tim Getty]

That sounds crazy.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Well, you played Lego Party, did you?

[Greg Miller]

No, I didn't. I wasn't there.

[Tim Getty]

It's a blast.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. It looks like you guys had a great time.

[Tim Getty]

It was amazing. Yeah, like so freaking fun. I.

[Greg Miller]

But you need the controller though, right?

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, it's like I can't imagine playing like a Mario Party minigame with a phone. Like, I don't. I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

That's the way it got intended. Re Animals demo the game by the original Little Nightmares devs is available on Steam. Decided to check that out from Noble Clover Pit has sold 750000 copies. Shout out to that team, please use all of that money, all of that money and just make little little taxi goes room two do.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah dude.

[Greg Miller]

From Chris Scullion at vgc. A new toe Jam and Earl game is quote in the planning stage.

[Tim Getty]

Co creator reveals who's the co creator.

[Greg Miller]

I will do the research on that.

[Tim Getty]

No, I know Tommy Talarico is involved.

[Greg Miller]

Is he. He's not co creator. No.

[Tim Getty]

Until Jam and Earl it's up.

[Michael]

No, no, no.

[Tim Getty]

I'm wrong. I'm just so wrong. I'm absolutely wrong.

[Greg Miller]

Greg Johnson.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah. I was thinking about Earthway Gym. Earthworm Gym.

[Greg Miller]

I thought you're gonna say Cliff Blesinski but that's. That's Jack the Jackrabbit. Jack Jackrabbit. He did a jackrabbit game.

[Tim Getty]

He did a jackrabbit.

[Greg Miller]

He did a jackrabbit. And that's the end of we news everybody. We have some super chats for y'.

[Tim Getty]

All.

[Greg Miller]

A lot of super chats actually shout out to Colton. Colton Milner over on the YouTube who became a member said happy Canadian. Canadian. Happy Canadian Thanksgiving. Oh sorry it was spaces y'.

[Tim Getty]

All.

[Greg Miller]

I'm thankful to be able to watch live today and we're thankful for you.

[Tim Getty]

Thank you.

[Greg Miller]

Bishman 293 Super Chat says long time watcher. Thank you for everything you all do. You're the best. We appreciate you. Calvin Perez super chats and said I had a dream there was another kind of funny live but mid show it stopped because Andy was arrested for murder with DNA evidence.

[Tim Getty]

Happy Monday. I I love that I will say I think about it every once in a while.

[Greg Miller]

Who would be the murderer.

[Tim Getty]

Kind of funny.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

And it's like Andy's very low on the list there. Yeah. He gets angry at people at specific.

[Greg Miller]

But a lot on account of four hours. Like a lot of unaccounted four hours.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, that's true. But like I don't think and it's like a real.

[Greg Miller]

It's also a really good alibi for him of like streaming.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

He could do a pre recorded stream.

[Tim Getty]

And then like fake it all.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

And have you. Right. I still though like knowing Andy knowing his soul because I feel like I know Andy's soul. I don't. There's not. He doesn't have murder in those eyes. Mike, Mike would never intentionally murder somebody but I think he crime of passion. I think he has accidentally murdered somebody. You know what do I mean by that? I'M not sure, but you know I'm right.

[Greg Miller]

Well, tune into the Silent Hill Left Stream, everybody, because we might see something happen there. Cozy Bear, of course, said, happy Canadian Thanksgiving. Thank you so much, Cozy Bear. And happy thanks. Canadian Thanksgiving to y' all as well.

[Tim Getty]

If Mike was living a perpetual, like, I know what you did last summer type thing where, like, he knows what he did and he just has to live with it, it would explain a lot.

[Greg Miller]

Is that what. Isn't that movie about, like, other people finding out what they did? Is that just called guilt?

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, well, that's, that's kind of the theme of it. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm saying.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, gotcha. I see these movies. Who's in that movie? Is that Freddie Prince Jr. Sarah Michelle Galleria? Scooby Doo?

[Tim Getty]

Jessica Loves Hewitt.

[Greg Miller]

Not Scooby Doo. No Joey D. Engagement Tax. She said yes. Whoo.

[Tim Getty]

Hell, yeah. Congratulations. You love to hear it.

[Greg Miller]

Benny B. Goode is a member for 26 months. Says during the Tron Aries in review, everyone should watch the in review. I had asked if the movie could be better with Jared Leto. Opening weekend was worth. Was worse than Morbius. Where does Tron go now? It goes away for another 20 years, and then it comes back when some executive says, we need, we need ip, and then it's going to fail again. And then we're going to keep on.

[Tim Getty]

Doing this somehow even worse.

[Greg Miller]

Somehow even worse.

[Tim Getty]

I have full faith that, that, oh.

[Greg Miller]

It will be back. It will be back in 50. It will be back when my kids are ready to go see a movie by themselves again. That's what's going to happen.

[Tim Getty]

The only thing at this point I'd be okay with with Tron, and I don't even know. I don't even think this would be good, to be clear. But the only thing I'm like, I'm excited about that is we're going to reunite Daft Punk. They're coming back. They're doing it. Joseph Kaczynski is coming back. He's proven himself after Legends Was cool, but not good.

[Greg Miller]

He's gonna go in a real video game and record all of this. He's gonna scan Tom Cruise.

[Tim Getty]

But now after Maverick, after F1, I want to see a Tron Legacy sequel.

[Greg Miller]

It's too expensive. Kaczynski, that's he, he's gonna, he's gonna charge a bag.

[Tim Getty]

They clearly don't care about making money. You know what I mean? God, I, I, I'm not even. No, it's, it's just so negative.

[Greg Miller]

Zaxon Galaxian. I like that name. 2027 is too soon considering the first three years got eaten by the pandemic they can get more out of the current gen IMHO 2030 would make the most sense. I mean I agree with you.

[Tim Getty]

I agree with every word you said but I don't think that's the reality we're in.

[Greg Miller]

There's no way Kebab Kebabs asked The question do PS4 versions of a game outsell the PS5 version? I would love to see that. I'd love to see that brand cakes we already talked about the Pikmin stuff Powell Lock Prince says first time long time wanted to say thank you to kind of funny for making my hour commute to work enjoyable and feel shorter. And shout out to Tim for always hyping my favorite artist of all time Daft Punk. Hashtag have you said that before?

[Tim Getty]

I just said what I did. That's hilarious.

[Greg Miller]

Hashtag let Tim host what? It's moving. What is happening in my computer? Oh, my computer's falling apart.

[Tim Getty]

A lot of the skill 17 says upgradable and modular are different guys we know but I do feel like those two things are also getting all of this is just merging into this weird point anyways at this point because of just how tech has advanced but yes the difference between a phone and a computer and a console are there's more similarities than differences now and compared to.

[Greg Miller]

How it used how different is it though? Because if something's upgradable doesn't it physically upgradeable? Isn't that inherently module?

[Tim Getty]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah so you're wrong. It's not an else problem. That's a you problem. Foxy Steve says we have to ask ourselves what will the economy look like in 2027, 2029? The next home consoles might price so many people out that the switch to piece PC makes more sense. I actually was, I was gonna bring this up, I was gonna bring this up earlier of like I know it's kind of a crazy thought process but let's say that These consoles are $700, $800 or whatever. Does the Switch 2 actually gain some market share of if the console if let's say Call of Duty is on there, all the Madden's on there every single year. They look about right, they feel about right. It's all cross play like I don't see. I mean I see a world of course where everyone's like they're loyal to their PlayStations, they're loyal to their Xbox ecosystems. But I wouldn't be surprised if some people just say, oh, I could just buy a switch for 450 bucks and then just pick that up and then play all my games, the two games that I play every year on it. I don't know.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, it's an interesting conversation there. I think bringing the Nintendo side into it. That's a whole podcast to itself, especially at this point. Because what you just said was the future for Nintendo that I wanted so desperately and I think that they've squandered it already out the gate of the Switch 2 launch with the third party inconsistency is all I'll call it. Like it hasn't been swinging a miss every time, but there have been too many Elden Ring. I don't give a fuck what the reason is. I don't care if it's from software's fault. I don't care about whatever. It's like that is a title that you prioritize and you make sure can play and sing Final Fantasy 7 Remake exact same thing. And they're doing that. It sounds like, but like these are titles that you use to prove to the people that might think about making the jump. Because otherwise. No, the people that are playing Call of Duty and Madden are like Nintendo's for little kids. You need the story and the sentiment to be oh no, no. Tend to got the stuff. And that's. I don't think the sentiment. I don't think that's what it's going to be.

[Greg Miller]

No. And I don't think Xbox or Microsoft is going to put in the work to make some type of connection with Nintendo Switch other than the fact that they're just putting it on there.

[Tim Getty]

Right.

[Greg Miller]

They're not going to make like an Xbox branded Nintendo Switch controller. That feels like it. It's just always going to feel like, oh, it's a Switch that plays Call of Duty. How quaint is that? Right? It's never going to feel like the actual gamer's way to play that game. So I think that's the thing holding it back. If Xbox actually wanted to and said hey everybody, we're going to fucking have a collab with Xbox, with Nintendo and actually make an Xbox controller that is a Switch controller. I think we have a different conversation there.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah, it's like you just brought up a real good point. I actually see that future happening, I don't think. But I actually just don't see them like putting in the work.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, we'll see.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, they have to legally.

[Tim Getty]

Oh, they have to put it on the. On the console. I mean, they have to make it work.

[Greg Miller]

I mean. I mean it runs on a series S at 60fps.

[Tim Getty]

I know, but Elden Ring runs on a Series S and it doesn't on the Switch too. You get what I'm saying?

[Greg Miller]

Yes, I understand what you're saying.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah. It's like I. The Switch 2 has proven to be a system that devs need to put extra care into making sure that it works.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

And I have zero faith they're going to do that with Call of Duty D cash. Stupid, stupid situation.

[Greg Miller]

I think it's going to run really well. I think it's going to.

[Tim Getty]

I hope so.

[Greg Miller]

I don't see a world where they put out their big. Because they wanted to make a lot of money and that is a huge marketplace for them. And I mean, I think people. That is a place where some. I can see people buying that game twice, potentially on a Switch and also their console. So that's a big money maker for them.

[Tim Getty]

I love it.

[Greg Miller]

Dcash114 also has some thoughts. Does PS6 handheld with Egpu Dock to do 4K on TV? No shot. No shot. I don't see them doing any type of. Ah, well, well, well, well. Now I'm talking myself out of it. Egpu, I think, is such a loaded word. Yeah, that's like a very expensive solution to them doing that. So. Actually, no, I, I don't think it's going to happen. It would be some type of pisser up res situation.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Jew Roosten 7 mega scrafty for the win. He got that fit on. For real. For real. Who?

[Tim Getty]

He's talking about a Pokemon.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, I thought it was on my mic. That's an insane way to talk about, Mike. Mega Scrafty. I'm like, that's a, that's a good one.

[Tim Getty]

And if you were to see this guy Raj, you're going to fucking die. But yeah, potentially okay.

[Greg Miller]

I don't, I don't.

[Tim Getty]

I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, Toast Crafty is a Pokemon.

[Greg Miller]

Gotcha. Toasty Toast member for one month says. So if Xbox goes hybrid with PC, then wouldn't you be able to play PlayStation games on it eventually? Absolutely. Absolutely. I wouldn't be surprised if they, if they, if they actually do some type of like viral marketing there of like, hey, here's an Xbox. And then like just boot up fucking Ghost of Tsushima and just, yeah, you can play These things on the thing, I think it's actually going to be a pretty big selling point for them.

[Tim Getty]

I mean, I think. Isn't this future already happening with the ally?

[Greg Miller]

Right, yeah, but I mean like an actual like, hey, here's Xbox. Xbox that can play PlayStation games.

[Tim Getty]

Technically, yeah. Again, there's no way. That's not what happens next.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Jordan Deeb says the data mining happened due to copies of ZA out in the wild, but the Gen 10 leaks are from the Terra leak last year. Someone held onto them until today. Jesus Christ. Dcash114 has one last super chat of the day. Who is Xbox hybrid for weak PC won't sell PC gamers? An expensive hybrid console will not retain enough console gamers. I don't know. That's a good question. That's a good question for their marketing and who it is for. It's for me.

[Tim Getty]

That's the thing is I do think it's. Again, we know too much and Xbox has made too many steps that they just have a lot of baggage to deal with. And I often bring up kind of funny as an analog of in terms of subscription services and in terms of just like decisions we've had to make, we have to struggle with the same shit Xbox does of 10 years of decisions. And we're going to be on two Patreons now. We want to be on one, we're going to offer memberships, we're going to this. Every choice we make adds baggage and like just so much to just doing things how we want them to. We can't just be like, we're doing it this way now.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Tim Getty]

Because like, even if we did that, not only is the audience going to be like, no, you're not. But also the systems in place might not allow it. And I think we're just stuck there with Xbox right now and the PC console. None of this should matter. We're at a point that these are close enough that it's. Once this is being sold, it's not going to matter. It's back end stuff, it's OS stuff and it's ecosystems that Xbox has clearly been building in front of our eyes, all working together. It's just the Xbox console side of things is a thing of the past. I think. I think it needs to be or else this confusion will never go away. And that's not going to help them.

[Greg Miller]

They're going to name it some dumbass shit though. There's no way they name it in a clean way that actually makes any sense. That's the issue Here they're not going to say this is what they should. I box PC.

[Tim Getty]

I think it's Xbox 2027. No, they would Xbox parentheses 2027.

[Greg Miller]

I think they're called Xbox Surface or something weird. Which they should.

[Tim Getty]

No, stay away from a brand that doesn't work.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, but it's a known brand. People like.

[Tim Getty]

No, I mean it's, it's people like it that, that, that use it. But it's not a known. I would. Surface is not. There's no market.

[Greg Miller]

I do feel like there has to be some type of like computer element to it.

[Tim Getty]

I think, you know, you don't do that. It's just this is what Xbox is now. Get rid of the confusion. There needs to be no separation between Xbox, PC and Xbox.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

It has to just be Xbox. It has to.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Or else they're fucked beyond belief.

[Greg Miller]

You're wrong. From soft surf brings a great super. You're wrong. Which I think is awesome. I put this in assets for you, Kevin. Regarding Elden Ring on Switch, Lance McDonald showed the latest build of ER at Gamescom in Australia and it ran very stable at 1080, 30 FPS in handheld mode. Sorry to put that. Yeah. So looks not bad.

[Tim Getty]

I mean, again, looks like a game. Hope beyond hope. Having said that, Nintendo, with the Switch 2 launch, they're at a point that they should not allow games to be shown off at trade events like this. Like officially that Borderlands. Right. Because these are at Nintendo boots. Am I correct there? I'm pretty sure that to me is the thing. I'm just like, you can't be doing this or else you're letting the message get away. And there are so many people that are not going to hear this, not going to get the update and they're just like, nah, I don't believe it.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. But I mean it's also such a small audience that is like connected to the video game news of the. The daily variety.

[Tim Getty]

But look at the damage that could be caused by one person taking a picture at Target.

[Greg Miller]

But then also the game comes out and then it's good.

[Tim Getty]

And then people like, my problem.

[Greg Miller]

I get what you're saying. It's not good optics.

[Tim Getty]

But the argument I'm making is it's, it's, it's not good optics to a smaller subsect of people. But they're the people that we're talking about. Sure. They're the people that need to be convinced that the Switch 2 is a competitor.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Getty]

Yeah. You get what I'm saying? It's not the random.

[Greg Miller]

Is it. I think it is. I think it's the mass audience, the mass audience of people, the millions of people that bought Elden Ring that don't really play that many video games that are locked into the Elden Ring world and like, oh, maybe I could buy a switch to so I can play Elden Ring on the go. And I also like Mario Kart. Like, I don't know. I do think that that is the audience that you're looking for. Not, you know, us nerds that have Elden Ring on three different consoles. Like, it's a weird. I get what you're saying. And it's not good optics and it's preventable. And that's the biggest that I. We need to talk about. It's like Nintendo could have figured this out and just been like, no Borderlands. It needs to be a solid 30fps before you bring to our booth or you show off the game. But yeah, it's. It's. It's a little weird to end the show. Lakers head super chats to finally get this out of here. I was on a work call when Tim summoned me.

[Tim Getty]

So real quick, just. I just want to point this out. Big in the chat says, I mean, I still don't feel convinced to play cyberpunk. People can have long memories. I do think that there is. And again, I know that we're watching games daily. I know. I get that.

[Greg Miller]

But. But also, we liked it when we played it. You know what I mean? Like, we like when we played it at the. The Nintendo event. Cyberpunk.

[Tim Getty]

They're talking about cyberpunk five years ago.

[Greg Miller]

I thought about the Switch to version of it. I get what you're saying. Yeah. And I agree with that. Lakers head says, I was on a work call when Tim summoned me. The KFBF should start with Pikmin 2. Way better than Pikmin 1. And it offers a nice challenge. So Mike claimed that he was right. Not right.

[Tim Getty]

I'll give. I'll give Mike credit for that.

[Greg Miller]

He said one and two.

[Tim Getty]

He kind of said every game possible. Except for he didn't specifically say three. But he did. He did call out to the most. I'll give him credit there.

[Michael]

I'll give him that.

[Greg Miller]

I'll give him that. I kind of blacked out when he started saying that he was gonna handcuff me. It was a whole thing. Everybody, this has been an Apple awesome episode of kind of Funny Games Daily where each and every weekday we run you through the nerdy news. You need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch and podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us on the kind of Funny membership with Patreon or YouTube to get all of our shows ad free. Watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show. Enjoy the games cast next, which is Nick's reveal for his Game of the Year. Big deal. Everybody love it. He's coming early and the stream afterwards, but until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you.