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Sony in Talks to Buy From Software’s Parent Company - Kinda Funny Games Daily 11.19.24
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co founder of angie. One thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. And for decades, Angie's helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. Get all your jobs done well@angie.com Today's stories include PlayStation is reportedly in talks to buy from Software's parent company. Control 2 will be an action RPG. And we should be paying attention to the Indie Game Awards. We'll have all this and more because this is Kinda Funny Games Day.
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Tim Gettys
Did you see what I saw?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, we just appeared out of nowhere, right?
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Tim Gettys
Wait for one second we weren't on.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
The couch is empty. And then we just. We just poof in how we do it.
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Snowbike Mike
That's how we do it.
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Tim Gettys
How. What was that?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It was like a ghost frame from, like, whatever last scene it was on. It's an obs quirk that it has.
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Tim Gettys
But, like, when was it recording with that? Cause, I mean, the exact same background. That was wild.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It is kind of weird of like. It's not like we saw Nick Scarpino for a second. Yeah, no, it was an empty couch and then we just appeared. Yo, what's up? Welcome to Kinda Funny Games daily for Tuesday, November 19, 2024. I'm one of your hosts, Blessing Addie Ly Jr. I'm joined by the Lacroix Papi, Tim Mulgy's.
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Tim Gettys
We're in the lab today doing the games daily. We got some fun secret stuff going on. Secret shoots going on over in the studio section. So we have Snowbike Mike running the boards today here in the lab in his domain. We're in his house, right?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We're in his house. And it's welcome to my house. So many people are out. And so, yeah, Mike's running the show. Mike also made the thumbnail. And so a round of applause for Mike killing it. Stepping up, stepping up.
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Tim Gettys
Big step, Mike.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But also, it's crazy because right before the show, Mike sounded like he's like a NASA, like, operator, where he's like, data coming through.
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Tim Gettys
Incoming transmission.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Incoming transmission. Data coming through. All right, sending off. Three, two. And I'm like, what is this? Are we launching a show or are we launching a spaceship?
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Tim Gettys
I love it. That's the energy I need on this beautiful Tuesday.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Beautiful, beautiful Tuesday. Tim, how are you doing?
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Tim Gettys
I'm doing great, doing great. Excited to talk about these news stories. Some wild stuff in here. You know, we'll see where it all goes. But it's gonna be a fun Talk.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
For sure and let's talk about it. Of course. Remember this is Kinda Funny Games Daily. Each and every weekday we run you through the nerdy news and need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the Kinda Funny membership on Patreon or YouTube to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show for a chance to be a part of the show. Submit your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go. Housekeeping for you. Did you know that we have a highlights channel? Roger is working hard bringing you the best of KF in shorter, easier to binge chunks. This entire week is Reaction week. Come relive some of our favorite E3 press conference reactions over@YouTube.com kindafunny the one.
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Tim Gettys
He posted today was the Keanu Reeves coming out at SG or E3.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
E3.
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Tim Gettys
That was E3. Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That was Xbox.
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Tim Gettys
That was E3.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Was that before my time? I don't think I was there for that.
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Tim Gettys
Oh I guess that cause yeah, it was 2019 before I even joined. Oh man. Well bless. You're still breathtaking to me. You know you're breathtaking. Thank you, thank you.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Of course we're an 11 person business all about live talk shows. So today after Kinda Funny Games Daily you're gonna get Gamescast which is Greg's hot takes. I believe that's also happening on this couch.
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Tim Gettys
It is. We haven't figured that out. I know I'm doing it with him but we're going to see who else.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Wants to say I don't know how many people can fit on this couch.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, we're going to have fun. I'm excited to see Greg go off because I don't know what he's got planned, what takes even has.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's the weird thing of you don't just come up with this topic just to like come up with new hot things.
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Tim Gettys
You have something to say.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There's something that's been stewing Greg's mind that I was like terrifying this topic and then the stream after that is going to be flight sim with Mike and Nick. Even though I think I heard them plotting about something. Is it flight stream or flight sim Mike? Or are you all switching to Warzone?
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Snowbike Mike
Yeah, we'll see. We're going to fly no matter what Tim. So we'll see where we go. Microsoft Flight Sim 2024 has released very excited to take to the skies or the skies of Area 99 in Warzone. We'll see what happens.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You guys are allergic to plans. You see someone on the calendar, you're like, let's not do that. If you're a kind of funny member, you can get today's Greg Way, of course. And then thank you also to our Patreon producers Delaney Twining and Karl Jacobs. Today we're brought to you by Sonic at topgolf, Aura Frames and the visual triangle merch. But we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. You gotta. It's time for some news. We have five stories today, A baker's dozen. Now, Mike, what was the inspiration behind that?
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Snowbike Mike
You know, that was pure panic as.
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Tim Gettys
I forgot that I muted my microphone. I like that. It was a little bit of a bebop. You know what I mean?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It was more of a jingle than just straight up, like, doo de do, which I respect. Let's start off with story number one. Sony is in talks to buy media powerhouse behind Elden Ring. I'm pulling from Nirban Sen and Sam Nussi at Reuters.
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Tim Gettys
When I first read this headline this morning, I jumped to it being Bandai Namco, which I know is wrong because they just published the game, but my first thought was like, is Sony? Because It's Sony, not PlayStation. Is Sony trying to acquire Bandai Namco? And I started going down this whole.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I mean, that also make a lot.
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Tim Gettys
Of sense in my mind. And I was like, oh, my God. I literally was in the shower, just read the headline, didn't read the article at all. Thinking this all through, like, okay, I get how this could make sense, why they'd want to do it. And then when I got out, I looked at my phone. I was like, why did I just do that entire exercise? I had so many thoughts to say on this show. I'm like, I'm a fucking idiot.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
When you wake up, you look at a headline or you look at. Yeah, you look at a headline and you're like, oh, that's gonna be the main topic of Cave shd. And so you're in the shower thinking. You're in the shower thinking about the thoughts, thinking about the takes, like you're forming opinions, and then you come out and you're like, all right, I'm ready to go. That sucks that all that gets thrown out the window.
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Tim Gettys
Out the window.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You're wrong.
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Tim Gettys
Some of it's applicable, though. No, different way.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
A lot of it would be applicable because I think in a lot of the ways, the ways. The reasons why you would buy Bandai Namco. Similar reasons to why you would buy Kadokawa. So let's get into it. Sony is in talks to acquire Kadokawa, the Japanese media powerhouse behind the Elden Ring game, two sources familiar with the matter said, as the technology giant looks to add to its entertainment portfolio. The talks between the two sides are ongoing and if successful, a deal could be signed in the coming weeks, the sources said. Sony declined to comment. Kadokawa said it cannot comment. Sony already has a 2% stake in Kadokawa and a stake in Kadokawa controlled from Software, the developer of Elden Ring, which has sold 25 million units and has been widely praised. Kadokawa began as a publisher in 1945, but has expanded into games, anime events and figures with franchises such as RE0, in which a teenage boy is summoned to a fantasy world. Other franchises include Delicious in Dungeon, a manga series adapted into anime about adventurers exploring dungeons and eating monsters they encounter. Tim yes, some big news.
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Tim Gettys
It is man. This is real big news. No transitions yet. We're just getting started here. But yeah, no. So it's big because again, this is Sony. This is not PlayStation. It would then have a lot of change to PlayStation. It would affect PlayStation greatly if this were to happen. In addition to some of the things you're talking about, this also includes Acquire, who are the team behind 10 Shoe Way, the samurai and Octopath Traveler. They were the co developers on that. Most recently it was just revealed did Mario and Luigi Brothers ship. Yep. As like a collaboration with Nintendo also Gotcha Gotcha Gotcha Games RPG Maker and then like you were saying, the Spike Chunsoft who makes the raincoat and banshee's last cry and Sharon the Wanda bunch of JRPGs. Yes, exactly. So that all makes sense. You bringing up the RE series. I feel as well that's where the real conversation starts for me where I feel like this is definitely a move for Sony. When you think of Sony Pictures and how they've been acquiring different anime companies and just the investments they've been making in recent years, the way a big.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Big hole in that space. Right. Owning I believe both Crunchyroll and funimation. Yes, I believe.
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Tim Gettys
Yes, exactly. And with that Sony doesn't have its own streaming service. Right. Sony's strategy has been let's put our movies out on other streaming services and make deals with them. That's why we see a lot of Sony movies eventually end up on Netflix and then transition over to Disney plus They're kind of triple dipping in a way, instead of investing in their own platform. How do we get as much money for a Spider man movie as possible, for example, and kind of like put it through the car wash of all of that. Them investing so much in anime brands clearly shows that they see the value there. But then I also think taking all of that and being able to put it in other places is a very smart call for them. And the Crunchyroll side of things is the closest thing they have to a content streaming service like that.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. This is fascinating because to what we're talking about on the anime side and like the Sony side of, you know, why Kadokawa would be a good fit for them, it's almost equivalent and pretty much equivalent on the gaming side as well. This is one of those ones where. And I'll preface this by saying we're talking about an acquisition. We've been through this before where, you know, obviously there are business ramifications to acquisitions that are bad, right?
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Tim Gettys
Absolutely.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like, if this goes through, there will be.
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Tim Gettys
It's going to be bad news.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There's going to be bad news. There will be layoffs. Like all the stuff that we said about previous acquisitions when it comes to Xbox and Activision, when it comes to all these different things, of course not the same size as Activision, but.
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Tim Gettys
But every single time we say this is bad, this, like, if this happens, then there will be layoffs and closures. And then every single time that has.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Happened, that has happened. So that will happen here. I will also say what is true though, is that. Is that this particular one does bring me back to, I think other recent acquisitions we've seen from PlayStation. I guess Insomniac isn't as recent as it feels like anymore. Like, when Insomniac happened, that felt like a. Oh, I could see. I could see your plan here. Like, I can see the vision here. Like, this is a fit, right?
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Tim Gettys
Absolutely. I mean, that felt way more like a second party going first party. Like even though one of their most recent games was an Xbox exclusive. Sunset Overdrive, for sure.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And to some extent. Right. Like both on the anime side and on the gaming side, Kadokawa is kind of a perfect fit when you're talking about what your plan is as PlayStation or as Sony, I should say.
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Tim Gettys
Right.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
On the Sony business side, you look at what Kadokawa is doing with manga, with anime, and you're like, yes, we have a place for this. This is going to help bolster and strengthen this side of our business. That we obviously are trying to go for and care about and like, you know, want to continue to build and grow and all these things. On the gaming side from Software, I think is probably up there as like the best acquisition you can probably make as PlayStation. When you're talking about like what that adds to your portfolio and when you also talk about what you can probably afford. Right. Like I don't expect places, PlayStation to buy Rockstar, for example. Yeah, like I go for it.
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Tim Gettys
I just. This is where this gets very interesting because let's take all the anime conversation out of it and let's just focus on the video game side of things. Because you saying from software is the best company, game developer that PlayStation can acquire and you say that backed up with a lot of evidence of money, of critical success, of back to back to back to back titles.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You know, your audience loves this.
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Tim Gettys
Yes.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There's a lineage here that is PlayStation. We want to talk about demon souls and we want to talk about Bloodborne.
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Tim Gettys
Bloodborne for sure.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Being able to have like a direct say in hey, let's maybe make more Bloodborne.
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Tim Gettys
Totally.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Let's remaster or remake a Bloodborne.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah. And so you look at all of that and there's obvious success there. But even in their ability to put out something like Armored Core 6, that was, you know, obviously it's the sixth title in the franchise, so that means that there's going to be fans of that franchise. But I feel like it. Oh yeah, exactly. There we go. It coming out was definitely like, oh, they're trying something different. Like this is not just another Souls game. We know that they can knock those out of the park and they have in different franchises in different variations of Sekiro being a little more fast paced and you know, Bloodborne being different enough from the actual Souls titles, but Armored Core being a different, totally different type of thing and another hit. Right. So big hit after hit after hit. And we're just looking. If we see the FromSoftware logo pop up on a trailer, we're expecting greatness at this point, both sales wise and critically. PlayStation obviously would want that. But with from software, I mean the numbers we're talking about, Elden Ring sales, you know, Shadow of the Erdtree. Obviously a lot of conversation about that in the last couple days with the game of the Year nomination for the expansion. The expansion alone sold over 5 million copies. Right. So I feel like while yes, Sony might be looking at it and having it make sense, I Also look at PlayStation's exclusive Square Enix titles recently and how even though it was final fantasy fucking seven rebirth and final fantasy 16, the first proper numbered Final Fantasy sequel in years and they don't meet sales expectations because they're stuck on PlayStation.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, I 1000% agree with you. Right. Like, I think if I'm taking my statement further, right, I think this would be maybe the best choice for PlayStation as an organization. I think this would be bad for FromSoftware and maybe even bad for the industry.
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Tim Gettys
See, but what I'm bringing up is like, I don't know if it's the best move for PlayStation because if PlayStation were to acquire them and then the sales of those games, not because they're limited to just PlayStation consoles. What if they were Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth levels, then all of a sudden is that a success? You know, are they making the amount of money that they need to after already investing to acquire this company when they could have just published the game on their console and made money that way and then the game also was selling on Xbox and PC is a little bit of a, you know, gray area at this point when it comes to PlayStation. But like, do you see the point that I'm making? I don't.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I see the point that you're making. I think it's an ex and interesting exercise to talk about because I think when you're talking about IP in 2024 and developers and studios in 2024 in like their power to sell both software and I guess in this case, right, sell consoles while you're also selling software at the same time. I think when we're talking about Elden Ring, there is more sales potential there than if we're talking about a new Final Fantasy. I think Final Fantasy doesn't have, I don't want to say it doesn't have the same strength as it did before, but I guess the space is different.
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Tim Gettys
That's it. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, I think you'd be insane to argue that Elden Ring doesn't have more viability. I think in pretty much any way you look at that.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think if Elden Ring, then Final Fantasy at this point, a PlayStation exclusive Elden Ring 2 would be such a boost for a PlayStation, right? Like for me, you put that in the same conversation as you put any of the other top tier PlayStation first party IPs, right? When you're, when you put that in the same conversation as a spider man, maybe even like a God of war, a horizon, right. Like I think a Elden Ring or a Bloodborne or honestly, like Any major like big game that you're pushing from. From software. I think Armored Core might be on like the lower end as far as that. But I'm talking about like the main titles like in Elden Ring. I think that does so much for the PlayStation ecosystem and does so much for people being like, oh, this is another reason why I need to own a PlayStation. Like you have the Elden Ring games there. Yeah, I need to own it.
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Tim Gettys
Absolutely. I just, I wonder we won't know until if. Unless that actually happens. Because I would just say that looking at the Final Fantasy stuff in hindsight, like it is surprising that those games are not selling as PlayStation exclusives. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, you feel like.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But like, is that because Final Fantasy just doesn't have the stuff anymore?
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Tim Gettys
But I mean like, what's the stuff though, right? Like that's the thing is like they're the critically beloved games. Right. Like, and there's obviously clear legacy, especially with seven specifically that we're talking about of like how people to this day are buying the merchants so into the world and fandom of it. Like, you're right. Of saying like, does it have the stuff? Yes, it has the stuff. Just the stuff it has is compared to different things these days. Right. But I do think that with Elden Ring, I don't know, it just. This to me, I feel like gets very interesting where I can't imagine it not being multi platform. I just feel like that would be such a major hit against it for its success.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Interesting. I could see it being the tiered thing that we've talked about already with PlayStation and PC where a game comes out day and date on PlayStation. A year later we get the PC version. I could see that being the. A year later we get the PC and Xbox version. Yeah, but like how much of a cut do you think? Like, let's talk about Elden Ring, right? Man, I wish those. I don't think the stats are out there because I don't think they announce it in the way of sales per platform. But if you were to. If you were to guess, Tim, how many copies of Elden Ring, if we're talking about 25 million overall, how many copies do you think sold on PlayStation vs PC vs Xbox?
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Tim Gettys
God, you know, it's such a hard question. It is, it is. And what's wild is I. I'm just going to say this with prefacing it that like I. It was a tweet that I saw yesterday that I can't even remember where I Saw it. So I don't even know where this information is from. And it could be completely wrong.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
But I saw a tweet that was breaking down Capcom's games of the last year. Did you see this? No Games in the last year break down by system. It sold on of PlayStation, Nintendo, Xbox and PC. And PlayStation was just wiping the floor with everyone else.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like combined, which is kind of where I'm driving at. This is like, how much do those Xbox sales really matter? Right? If it is you are selling, let's say 15 million copies on a PlayStation. A year later you sell 5 million copies on a PC, right? And like, oh, those last 5 million copies you could have sold on Xbox. But like, all right, we're going to say goodbye to 5 million copies. We still sold 20 million. And also we're selling the PlayStation console and the PlayStation ecosystem to a lot more people. Right. And like those are just numbers I'm throwing out there and the ratio might be.
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Tim Gettys
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But like, as far as I understand, when you're talking about games that are selling right now on console. On the consoles, PlayStation seemingly, I would imagine is the like, biggest pie by far.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, I agree. But then this all just goes back to. And I get that, like I'm making points here that feel a little bit like wobbly. But like, I keep going back to the final fantasy thing just because I'm like, well, what are you really gaining from that when you already have it now they're already posting or publishing the games on PlayStation and it's already selling with the majority on your platform. Like it almost just seems like. But again, then you go back to, well, they're not just doing it for. From software. They're not just acquiring the game side, they are acquiring something else. And this is also just a major plus to that. And which all of a sudden that makes a lot more sense to me.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And there's also the question, the conversation of if Sony does acquire Kadokawa, does fromsoftware be are they naturally brought into PlayStation studios? Or does that even become a conversation? Right. In the same way that when they acquired Bungie, there was a little bit of separation between Church and State. A little bit. Bungie was still making third party stuff. Right. Like, I think they still called themselves PlayStation Studios. This is like a. This is definitely a kind of funny dot com. You're wrong because I'm not clear where.
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Tim Gettys
Technically remember they were under Sony.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
Not under PlayStation. That was like the weird thing there.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But like, are they under PlayStation now though?
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Tim Gettys
Well, yeah. Cause remember there was like recent shakeup where essentially like PlayStation. Paraphrasing here. PlayStation is like, y'all fucked up. Yeah, we ain't doing this shit anymore.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I wonder if at first, like if this were to go through, I wonder if we get it started off to where from? Software still exists as its own entity within Sony, but they're not PlayStation Studio.
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Tim Gettys
So I don't see. I don't think that ever happens again.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You don't think.
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Tim Gettys
I think that the Bungie thing was a. I think no matter what, it's.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Inevitable that FromSoftware gets brought under PlayStation Studios. I think PlayStation wants that badly.
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Tim Gettys
Where you think that this happens, this deal actually goes through and that it all happens is that we saying it's inevitable?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm saying that if this deal.
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Tim Gettys
Oh yeah, 100% with you there.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I also think that this deal is likely.
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Tim Gettys
Oh well, let's talk about. Let's talk about the PlayStation Studio side because I believe that the Bungie thing was a one one off attempt and the idea was, okay, we're going to not have them technically be a PlayStation studio because this is an infrastructure play. They have the games as a service, live service, the infrastructure for that. We want to apply that to last of us factions, whatever. We want to apply that to Helldivers and all the other games, Concord and whatever. Here we are now with the beauty of hindsight, we're able to look back and be like, all right, I don't think they're ever going to do that again. If they acquire another game company, it's a PlayStation studio. I think that's going to happen. Specifically someone big like from now, let's talk about do we think this actually happens?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I want to bring in some super chats regarding this. I'm going to start with Street Shadow that says. Not sure if he brought this up, but I think there was news of. Kadokawa is at risk of having a hostile takeover from a South Korean company and they want to remain Japanese. And then there's also another one from Sharp Rye who writes in and says we have to remember this isn't just about games. Kadokawa is like three infinity stones for greater Sony. FromSoft is kind of a small bonus. So coming into this of does this actually happen? Right. I don't. This is me speaking as somebody who. I do not. I. Kadokawa is not a company that I've been paying close attention to as far as like, you know, how their business operations. So yeah, like a hostile takeover may be happening from a South Korean company. Not sure about that. I can't speak on that. Like, maybe that has a big impact on, you know, if. Or does this happen? I do think that this is such a deal for Sony and I'm sure PlayStation, like the higher ups of PlayStation have been talking with the other higher ups at Sony as. As far as like, yo, we want from software. And I'm sure they'll look. They're looking back and like, they're like, yeah, we also want that anime, the anime and manga stuff, the entertainment stuff that they're doing over there. I think that there is a united front at Sony that's like, we gotta make this happen because there's such a perfect fit. Perfect fit. Especially on the game, I guess, on both sides, right? Maybe equivalently.
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Tim Gettys
Right.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like the game stuff, the FromSoft stuff, I think is so valuable for Sony. And I think. I think partly that's why, like, we've seen them be careful as far as we've not seen the Bloodborne remaster or remake. I wonder if that's them being like, hey, dude, we want to keep this relationship as kosher as possible. Like, we want to like, maintain what this relationship is because we want, like, we want to buy them. That's where. That's where I'm at with it.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, man. It's very interesting, the idea of them wanting to buy them. Obviously, like, if you want the biggest player of the game, game of the year contenders that we're talking about, you're going to want that. I struggle to see a future where FromSoft is owned by PlayStation.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Really.
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Tim Gettys
And look, I would have struggled to see a future where Microsoft owns Activision.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And that's the other bullet point that I wanted to bring in here is the fact that I think as PlayStation, I'm surprised up until now the acquisitions have felt smaller from PlayStation since the Xbox Activision thing. Right. Like they've acquired Haven Studios.
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Tim Gettys
Bungie, Bungie, was that after a while before, but I mean, still in recent acquisitions, I would say yes, but I.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Think, like, I think this would be the, like, okay, we gotta fight back. Like, we gotta do something. And I think Fromsoft and Kadokawa. But for the gaming side, let's talk about FromSoft. I think FromSoft would be a good. All right, we're fighting back a little bit. Obviously they're not Activision, they're not the size of Activision, they're not making that same amount of money. But as far as what you're building with PlayStation they are like the most PlayStation Y. There's a conversation I was having with Greg last Friday on the grading PlayStation's 2024 conversation, right? And one of the things we talked about were the PlayStation Studios titles that they published that were like third party. So we're talking about Rise of the Ronin and we're talking about Stellar Blade. And one of the things I brought up in regards to that is that I feel like Rise of the Ronin came under the line of what I would say is like the quality that I'll say is PlayStation Studios, right? Like I played Rise of the Ronin and I'm like this doesn't feel like a PlayStation Studios game and I feel like there's a standard there. I feel like Stellar Blade was kind of like on the line, right? I feel like when you're talking about what you seek out as PlayStation after a year, that's kind of been a dud year for PlayStation. Of course we got Astrobot, of course we got in Helldivers 2. But I think it's not like a God of war year. It's not been like a horizon or like a death stranding year. There's the comments from PlayStation recently from the organization talking about, hey, we want to go back to having a hit every year. Like we want to make sure that we're having those big PlayStation games coming out every year. I think this would be such a key aspect in that as well, right? Hey, we got to fight back with this acquisition stuff. Like we got to make our own moves. And then also, hey, we got to maintain this library. Games are getting bigger, games are getting tougher to make, games are getting more expensive. We need some firepower, I think from software. Is that firepower?
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Tim Gettys
I mean, you're making good points. I just, I struggle to see it because I just don't know that first off, I don't know that PlayStation has the money like that. Sony is different, but even then Sony versus Microsoft. Microsoft has different abilities because of just like the banks that they can just put reach their hands into and throw money at problems, the fighting back. I almost feel like they don't need to do that because they're just winning. So clearly they're already selling droves and droves more than Microsoft. And when we're talking about even third party games that are multiplatform, but then when there are exclusive things that are there, they're making the deals. And then also just PlayStation's exclusives like you're talking about that, obviously they want to get back to having those come out as frequently as possible. I don't know how possible that is though. Right. So yeah, them having to fill it in, it's just. It is weird because it's like, all right, they did, they had exclusive games this year in the form of Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. But like, we don't look at that as a PlayStation Studios title because it's not a PlayStation Studios title. But it is an exclusive. So what actually matters here? Like, because I feel like the. Your point of them, like filling in the gaps, it's like, well, they already have the FROM software games coming out and the thing that I go back to is Bloodborne. Like they had bloodborne as a PlayStation exclusive from FromSoftware. And that was a mega hit for PlayStation and for From Software. So.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Gotta balance it.
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Tim Gettys
Yep.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I wanna bring in some more super chats. CJ splits in, writes in and says, Sony owns 13% of FromSoftware already. There's no way they wouldn't be brought into SIE. It was off the topic, but I'll bring it in anyway. Zagirian writes in and says, question for Tim. My roommate has the PS5 and uses the basic controller. His birthday is coming up, so should I get him the Edge controller or something else? He's into shooting games. Much love.
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Tim Gettys
I mean, I love, love, love the Edge controller. My only thing is, if he's into shooting games, I'm not the guy to answer the question. I feel like. Mike, you got any controller recommendations for shooting games on a PlayStation?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
This is interesting because Mike doesn't even like the dual sense.
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Snowbike Mike
Yeah, this is a great question coming in. My best friend Andy Cortez would lead you towards these scuff controllers for PlayStation. They have four back paddles. He really likes the durability of the Scuff controller. I haven't been able to hold the Edge, but I would say if you are looking for a good first person shooter controller, it would either be the Edge or you would go with a company like Scuf. The more back paddles the better. It's the future of gaming.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm somebody who also. I love the DualSense Edge. I would say get them the DualSense Edge. I think I've not played as many shooters with it, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't be like it has the back paddles like you're talking about. It's also quality.
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Tim Gettys
The Edge is my favorite controller, period. Like hard stop. Not even close.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then I have another one. First snowbike mic. This is from ChrisRock90 what's the one piece update got my wife to almost 1,000 episodes. Jesus. And that's binging all of the office. That's binging. And that's binging all of the office.
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Snowbike Mike
Chris Rock, please allow me to come join you and your wife in this incredible relationship because I'm still on episode 475. Tim, we're in Marine Ford. We are here to save Luffy's brother Ace. And it is a beautiful, tough story right now. There's going to be some big moments for me.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Are you tearing up over there?
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Snowbike Mike
I'm in a difficult spot.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Bless.
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Snowbike Mike
I need someone there. Kevin, A sex hasn't been around lately, so I'm just. I'm at a brick wall with One Piece. I'll be back soon.
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Tim Gettys
I'm rooting for my boy Abe. Yeah, Ace. Abe, Ace. Ace.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
He's only about a real anime. It's called Don to Donate. So good, Grandma. Oh, sexy grandma's great. Turbo Granny. Turbo Granny. Character of the Year.
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Tim Gettys
Character of the Year, everyone. Turbo Granny. Heard it here first.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You get to this character in episode one, first line. She says, I can't repeat it on this podcast. That's how crazy it is.
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Tim Gettys
Good for you, Turbogranny.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then I'll just do one more from CJ Splitson that says, is Sekiro officially a sad dad game? I mean, I can't was. I guess there was like weird. Not weird, but like sad dad stuff a little bit in Sekiro. Right? Mike, do you remember the story of Sekiro?
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Snowbike Mike
Yes, I do remember the story. There's a sad dad with the owl and a wolf. Yes, yes, there are some sad dads. And also like, his relationship with the kid. You could kind of put that as like dad material right there. He's kind of the guardian of that young child. So you can kind of say that he's like a dad to him.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There you go. Just, you know, stand alongside the last blesses and God of wars of the world. Yeah. Tim, do you have anything more to say about this story?
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Tim Gettys
No.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I mean, I feel like that was good conversation.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, we'll stay. Stay on top of it. I'm sure more will come from this. Like, this is. What was the source of it again?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
This is Reuters.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah. Which, I mean, all right. That's like real, real shit.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's real, real shit. And they say, I mean, if successful, a deal could be signed in the coming weeks.
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Tim Gettys
That's insane.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And so we might be hearing about this, like maybe before Game Awards. Wouldn't it be crazy. Jeff Keighley came out and like revealed the FromSoftware cross PlayStation logo.
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Tim Gettys
Oh my God. The Internet could not handle that. They would be so upset.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh dude. Yeah, the Internet would implode. Uh, we're gonna talk about story number two, but before we do, I'm gonna talk to you about patreon.com kindofunny and YouTube.com kindofunnygames where you can get the Kinda Funny membership which allows you to get shows ad free. Speaking of ads, let us tell you about our sponsors this episode is brought.
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Tim Gettys
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
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Tim Gettys
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
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Tim Gettys
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And we're back with story number two.
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Tim Gettys
I like it. Oh what a good time.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Control 2 will be an action RPG this is from Andrew Webster at the Verge. This is a great time for this story to be coming in. Based on the conversation me and Mike had yesterday, we already knew that the supernatural thriller Control was getting a sequel, but now Remedy has provided some more details on the game. Well, one major detail. Control 2 will be an action RPG, seemingly deviating from the action adventure template set by the original. The news came during an investor's presentation in which the studio revealed a few other tidbits about its franchises. Alan Wake 2 has sold over 1.8 million copies. The ultimate edition of Control Hits Mac on February 12, and it will also be getting a free update of some kind next year that will unlock previously released content. A large part of the presentation was devoted to Remedy's ambitious plan to build out an interconnected universe, which will span not only game franchises like Control and Alan Wake, but also film and tv. Earlier this year, the studio announced a partnership with Annapurna to explore bringing its franchises to new mediums, and today creative director Sam Lake said that the process is still in its very early steps. Last month, Remedy also revealed FBC Firebreak, its first multiplayer game, which is tied to its other games. Tim an action rpg? Yeah, define it for me.
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Tim Gettys
Well, here's the thing. I think the first part that pops out to me is the 1.8 million copies of Alan Wake 2 sold. Yeah, that is less than I would have expected. Not by a long shot, but it is less.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I would have, honestly, at this point, what a year. I would have guessed like 2.5 million.
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Tim Gettys
2.53 is kind of where I was thinking, so it's like, okay, but I mean, sounds like they're still investing very heavily in all of this, so it's not like they look good at it as a failure in any way. So I guess that is good news. This isn't the square type of situation of that. It's been like, no, not hitting expectations.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We wanted to sell 10 million.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
What happened?
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Tim Gettys
But, yeah, Control 2 being an action RPG. All right, I get where you're digging out here. Bless. We're just like, what's this even mean? Like, how are we defining these genres? Genres are stupid. Genres are stupid across anything, whether it's music, tv, movies, games. It's like we're all just trying to bucket things just to try to have conversations, but no one's ever going to agree on how these things are.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm honestly not super mad at it because, like, I think I have an understanding.
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Tim Gettys
Oh, I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You're going to level up and have skill trees, right? Maybe you're going to be making some dialogue choices.
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Tim Gettys
Is God of War 2018 an action RPG?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I mean, you can make.
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Tim Gettys
Yes, it is, guys. It just is. But it also doesn't matter.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Wait, what was that?
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Snowbike Mike
Is there adventure in it?
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, there is, but see, that's the thing too, like, when you're talking about adventure and we don't need to go too far into this.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Cause, like, whatever, I'm gonna make you mad. But, like, I wouldn't. I don't think God of War is an action rpg. I think it has RPG elements. Yeah. I think it's an action adventure game.
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Tim Gettys
I mean. Ah, God. See, the thing about the adventure. Adventure, when you're talking about it in terms of genre of video game, it is very specifically referring to puzzles and the puzzle style of things of, like, the OG point and click adventure games. So even adding action adventure, it's just. All of it just starts over time, I think, losing its meaning, which, again, doesn't matter.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But you have to talk about an adventure game. I'm talking about an action adventure game.
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Tim Gettys
Okay.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Which I don't think has to do with that. I think an action adventure is like, you know, puzzles in the way that God of War does have puzzles in it.
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Tim Gettys
But that's the exact same. What you just said is why I could look at things and be like, yes, it's an action rpg, because the definition has changed over time. When I think action rpg, my mind is now blank. What do I think? Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts is an action rpg, right?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm in it again.
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Tim Gettys
You can't Agree with. Okay, I agree with that.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I think modern days, when I think of action rpg, I think of two games, right. I think of Diablo in terms of how that's an action rpg. And I think of Elden Ring.
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Tim Gettys
Oh, my God, we're so cooked. We're so fucked as a people.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Which is why we need to find somebody to be the arbiter, to be like, hey, you're in charge of figuring this shit out.
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Tim Gettys
Or we just don't. We just talk about the games for what they do and based on how they play specifically. So looking at this, Control 2 will be an action RPG. I think this makes a lot of sense because I can imagine what that's going to be. You take control. And what would control look like if it was an action rpg? Okay. You're like, all right, cool. You had some skill trees.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You have some skill trees?
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Tim Gettys
Pretty much.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You have some skill trees. Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
It's going to be a good time.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, man. My. Oh, fuck. What's the name of the main character that I can't think of right now? Don't tell me. Actually, don't tell me. It is Jesse Faden.
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Tim Gettys
Nailed it. Yeah, you're right.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
My Jesse Faden is level 24, and she has a gun that, like, you know, goals all in on explosion abilities. But you're like. You're Jesse Faden.
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Tim Gettys
You know, she's shocking things.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
She's shocking things. Kind of neat. Now that I say that.
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Tim Gettys
Kind of neat.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I was gonna say it was supposed to be a joke, but I kind of like it.
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Tim Gettys
Oh, yeah. No, but again, it makes sense, though, because don't think about it as, like, shoving it into a genre that has to fit everything else that does it think about what that genre could mean for the game.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. So mechanically, what is an action rpg?
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Tim Gettys
Yes. Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It is those skill trees. It is leveling up. It is. Again, maybe dialogue. We'll see. Like, you know, I would. The thing I don't want from Control two is I don't want split narratives.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, I don't think that that'll happen.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, I don't think that'll happen either.
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Tim Gettys
Way more the RPG side of it is more about the numbers and skills go up type stuff as opposed to the, like, oh, you get to choose your own branch of story and your consequences change things. I don't think it's gonna be like that now.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's been a minute since I played control. Control already had skill trees, right?
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Tim Gettys
I never played control.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, you never played control. You would like control. Yeah, I Think you would like control.
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Tim Gettys
I know.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Why don't you play?
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Tim Gettys
I don't know. I don't know.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That shocks me.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Mike, you played control.
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Snowbike Mike
I have not blessed.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, okay. Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure.
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Tim Gettys
And he's the control like monster.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. People are saying that had gun skill trees and so maybe that stuff just becomes a bit more vital. Right. Maybe that stuff becomes a bit more like it matters more to the gameplay.
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Tim Gettys
Which I think makes sense. Right. Like for that game and for a sequel to that game. Like from everything I know about it and from everything, like looking at what Remedy is like building and what they're trying to do, like, I feel like that makes a lot of sense. I feel like they're building a lot of faith in consumers to believe in this universe. And I think Alan Wake 2 was a major step there. Like a couple of years ago when they first announced Alan Wake 2, I don't think any of us could have understood what it was actually going to become. You know, it was kind of like, oh, they're actually making a sequel. That's unexpected. You know, like we have all been waiting for it to be announced at.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Some point, but I've been asking for it. Yeah, people actually gave it to us.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, okay. But now I think we're in a totally different place. Like Remedy people like Sam Lake is becoming like a entity that people know and are like excited and waiting on bated breath for what's next. And so, yeah, I think that they, the onus is on them to keep delivery and keep pushing things. And I feel like this is just like, oh yeah, we're going to make this very non mainstream thing like Allen Way 2 where it's like really spooky and subverting thoughts and all that stuff. But then you have Control that I do feel like has those elements but has that mainstream appeal. So how do we make it even more appealing to gamers that want a different entry point into the Remedyverse? I think an action RPG is the way.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I can't wait to see the first gameplay trailer to see what they really mean by this. Because the more I think about Control one, the more I'm like, I guess that has a lot of the elements I already put in there. So I imagine that, yeah, those choices might matter a bit more for how you're building your character, which I think could be really cool. Right. If I'm looking at my gameplay and I look at Greg's gameplay or Andy's gameplay and it looks completely different, I'm like, fuck I should have done that. Right. I want to make that Chelsea faded. I think that there's something there that could be very exciting.
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Tim Gettys
Growing up, they used to call Ocarina a time in action rpg. Just sit with that, you know what I mean? Video magazine.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We've been confused for decades when it comes to all this stuff because like, well, here's what I'll say. Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom. I'll say Those are action RPGs.
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Tim Gettys
I mean, yeah, I think they could.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Be, but I don't. I wouldn't say Ocarina is acting rpg. And that's why my own arbitrary.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, it is. Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like my. For me it's RPGs require some kind of leveling and like some kind of like you are building this character up. You don't build up link. You unlock new items, I guess. But like Breath of the Wild, the fact that you unlock different Tyranids. Yeah, you're. Well, yeah, but like, you know, you know what I'm talking about. And the numbers go up in Zelda. In Tears of the Kingdom, right? In Breath of the Wild, your numbers go up as far as like, oh, this will protect you more than the other thing.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, well, yeah. Which is different than Ocarina. I guess it is, isn't it? I mean, I don't know, your different tunics and stuff change how much damage you take and like what type of like elements and stuff can affect you. Whatever. We don't need to do this.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Story number three. The Indie Game Awards announces its nominees for Game of the year 2024. This is Zoe Hanna at Polygon in a live stream Tuesday. The inaugural Indie Game Awards, a new award show focused on creativity, innovation and passion in the independent game space, announced its 2024 nominees for a slate of awards including debut game, Bite Sized Game, Solo development and of course, Game of the Year. The show is presented by collective six one Indie, which also puts on the six. One Indie Showcase that highlights upcoming indie games. According to the website, the Indie Game Awards nominees are selected by a panel of indie focused games, industry professionals and media outlets. Though it says open submissions will be available for the second installment of the show in 2025. The winners are selected by a diverse jury of judges that includes influencers and experts, as well as journalists and industry pros. Naturally, indie games featured in or indie games feature in the Indie Game Awards nominations, many of which address titles, many of which address titles some felt were missing from the Game Awards nominations that were announced on Monday. The Game of the Year nominees for The Indie Game Awards look like this. You got a thousand X Resist. So we got justice for Bear Courtney and I, Animal Arko Balatro, Crypt Custodian. Custodian Lorelei and the Laser eyes mouthwashing Neva, nine souls and UFO 50.
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Tim Gettys
Those are the main and nine souls. There you go. More Bear Courtney.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, more Bear Courtney Representation. Of course there's a whole bunch of categories. You can go find that stuff on Polygon and other outlets that have it listed. I did pull in some categories. Particular categories just that I like. Right. They have women led game which is Gourdlets, Keylocker Love Ghosty, Mexico 1921 A deep slumber. That's all one game. Mexico 1921 Deep Slumber Nightmare Cart and the Crimson Diamond Nightmare Cart.
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Tim Gettys
That's pretty cool.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's awesome. You also have solo development. The nominees are Ariel Knights. We Never Yield.
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Tim Gettys
Hell yeah. Shout out to Ariel Knight Animal.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Well, Children of the Sun, Crypt Custodian, Knuckle Sandwich and Magical Delicacy. And then we have Bite sized game which is Buckshot Roulette. Click Holding.
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Tim Gettys
Hell yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Duck Detective, the Secret Salami. That's all one word again. Duck Detective, the Secret Salami. Manami Lane, please touch the artwork too. And thank goodness you're here. Love that game.
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Tim Gettys
Fun stuff. And yeah, I mean, yeah, thank you for pulling out these categories because I do think that's fun and I feel like, you know, coming up with categories that are a little bit different I think then kind of can allow people to actually do what's the point of awards is which is get awarded for specific things and then also for communities and audiences to learn something new and like to seek something out and maybe these are different brands of things that they're looking for more of. Bite sized games, like that's appealing to me. You know what I mean? Women led games that can matter to you. So you're like, oh, I want to support that. I want to seek out these games that I might not have heard of. Really, really cool stuff. And also just indie game awards. I just love that this can also exist next to the game awards. Anyone can do an awards show. Go for it. If you want to show flowers and give flowers, do it.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. And I love that like, you know, shout out to six one Indy. Like, you know, they've been doing this for a while. They were folks that, you know, came out of kind of funny community. Right. Shout out to Mike Talendro. Shout out to Kyle Stevenson. Right. Shout out to everybody there. But for the fact that they've Been able to build six. One Indie into something that I think is so visible now and so big. Right. I think it's so cool because you know, this is being hosted by iGen.com, you have Polygon reporting on it. Right. Like we've seen what they've been able to do with their indie game showcases that they do at PAX and stuff. Right. Like this is what I love to see because it really is the hey, we built this from the ground up with our bare hands.
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Tim Gettys
The word that comes to me is important. I think it's so important the work that they're doing and it shows that putting investment and time and work and resources into something like caring about indie games so much. Yeah, get. There's results, you know, like they, they've put into work over so many years at this point that yeah, they, their showcases that are always great. They always have so many awesome games that they even rap and are hitting us up about. And then yeah, doing something like this and having it feel like it. There's consequence to it. I mean that's, that is important.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's important. It's impressive. And I think this proves that like there are people in the industry that like want to see this kind of thing happen. Right. There's support for this type of content. Like they've done a good job of just going out there and doing it and like sustaining it and making it bigger and making it happen. So when you look at the Game of the Year nominees, is there anything that sticks out to you? Is there anything that you're like, oh, this is the one for me. It's between a thousand extra. Just an animal wall.
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Tim Gettys
Oh fuckers there. Right? Like I feel like that's, that's the thing is like there's awesome games here. I mean of these, like Neva is my pick just because I love it so much. But I don't feel like enough people are playing Neva for it to actually get winning love. But hey, it's nominated. Like being nominated is like huge. Very important for these type of award shows. So yeah, that's great. But yeah, I mean I do feel like these type of indie. Here's what I think is important. The Indie Game Awards being run here by six one Indie. They're doing this in a very correct way in my opinion of getting a panel of indie focused games industry professionals and media outlets to vote on this and to be a part of this. These are people who focus on this, who have an expertise and understanding of all these games and it's not like kind of funny that are looking at this and are like, okay, we have played some of these games, but like for us to like vote in this or like talk about these things, it's not our place necessarily. In some ways we can, you know, But I feel like overall we're getting real granular with it.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like, I mean, for the record, I think we were reached out about this and then like Greg came to me and we looked at the nominees and we were like, we've not played enough of these games.
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Tim Gettys
We're not gonna participate 100% though, right? Like that's that type of conversation that I think is important. There is like, you know, there's responsibility here editorially when you're voting for things and doing things. And that's why it's like when you look at the game awards, those work a very specific way and you have the breadth of the different panelists that are involved in voting and nominating and all that stuff. It works differently than something like this. That I feel like how focused it is. It requires more focus and more attention and it matters more in the details, right?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Also shout out to their website because it's a good website. I'm on the page that has the judges on it, right? And all the logos just look very good on the site. But you have six. One Indie, of course, there's women led games, Latin American Game Showcase. You have wholesome games. Shout out wholesome games. The Indie Informer, of course we have IGN's on there. The IGDA is on there. Spawn on Me, Giant Bomb, Minmax. But why though? Ash said, hi, who's the homie, right? You have Noble on here as well. Like you have Steve Saylor. Really good. As I'm scrolling down, I'm like, oh man, this is a really good panel of judges for this award show. And again, like so many of them too have that focus. And I think you have like a really good variety of people here that are willing to have a say. And so, yeah, to your point, right, like they're doing this, right? I think they're making the right decisions as far as how they want to, you know, run this and produce this and also shout out to Balatra in animal and all the games on this. I still need to play Lorelei and the laser eyes, but I digress. Story number four, Tim, let's talk about Pokemon. Pokemon, TCG Pocket. Estimated to have made $120 million in three weeks. That's a lot of money. This is Ryan Dinsdale at ign. The Free to Play. Pokemon trading card game Pocket is estimated to have surpassed $120 million in sales since it launched on October 30. PocketGamer Biz cited figures from AppMagic that estimated the digital card game hit $100 million after 17 days. It has now crossed the $120.8 million line. Pokemon TCG Pocket is free to play, but allows players to buy extra booster packs, cosmetics, and a monthly pass that awards one extra pack a day. The app launched to immediate success with app Magic estimating it was making $3 million a day after hitting $12 million after four. But that number has already doubled, with daily player spending now totaling $6.4 million. A similar trend was seen per week as Pokemon TCG Pocket was estimated to have earned $35.8 million in its first week and $48.5 million in its first week. That must be in second week, right? Five days into week three, and Pokemon TCG Pocket has pulled in $37.2 million.
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Tim Gettys
God damn.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Insane.
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Tim Gettys
These numbers are crazy.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
The boost over week one is perhaps due to more players picking up the game, but also because, as per mobile game design, Pokemon TCG Pocket front loads the players with packs and cards and cosmetics before reducing those rewards to a trickle.
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Tim Gettys
Well, I mean, just anecdotally, my group thread that I have with about 10 guys on it started with one of my friends sending his friend code and, like, boys, are we doing this? And it warmed my heart because I'm like, oh, I've already been on this shit. Like, they ain't ready to see my collection. So I drop my stuff over the last week. Every single person's got it. Yeah, it's just like, everyone's in now, and it's like, all right, cool. There is just something that is so easy to get obsessed with Pokemon trading card game Pocket. So I think the biggest thing out there is just like, guard your wallets. Everybody, be careful.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Be careful.
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Tim Gettys
Be careful, man.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, don't overspend. But also, have a good time.
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Tim Gettys
But again, I want to reiterate, I have not put a single penny in since we were on the stream.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Since you spent.
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Tim Gettys
Since I spent $100. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I just. Everyone keeps asking me, like. Or everyone keeps acting like I'm, like, dropping fucking money on this thing every day. I'm not.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Can I. Can I be honest?
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Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I don't believe you because, like, how the fuck did I. Because I also. I got the hundred dollars, and I also spent, like, a little bit of money before that.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And I still. And I've been opening packs consistently. I still don't have the Mew. I still don't have. I'm still.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, but still.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Cards. How do you get so much further?
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Tim Gettys
Spreadsheets. The answer is spreadsheets. I literally have been targeting cards and, like, looking for things. And then I use. Because you. To get the mew, you just need to get all 150 poker. The Kanto Pokemon.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah. So I was just like. When I looked at. I literally. I keep spreadsheets of the cards I have and don't have. And I was like, cool, I'm gonna target the ones that are from the Kanto. I don't need to get these other yet. You get what I'm saying?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
And then I literally. I had a thing. Bless.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
What up?
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Tim Gettys
I had a list. I mean, literally right now I can show you this.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I can tell you right now I have, like, in each of the packs, I have, like, maybe four cards. Four, like, basic Kanto cards per pack that I've not gotten.
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Tim Gettys
So I have a list now of my needs, and it's. All right, cool. These are all the ones needed from the Charizard pack, Pikachu pack, Mew pack, and these are the ones I need that are available at all. So I strategically am, like, cool. Most Charizard. So now I've been opening more Charizard packs. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, but this is my new Strat now to, like, get in on the specific things and not waste my shit. But before then, to get the new. Specifically, I was like, all right, cool. I know which Pokemon I'm looking for, so I would use my, like, pack points to buy those cards. You could probably do it right now.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, you're popping the pack points. All right, that makes sense. Then. I'm just saying something's fishy.
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Tim Gettys
You know what I mean?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Something's fishy. Chat.
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Tim Gettys
Good lord.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Keep an eye on this guy.
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Tim Gettys
What are you doing?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But yeah, no, legitimately, I'm at the point now where, like, I. Yeah, I am down to, like, four, about four cards per pack that I'm still looking for. And I'm just opening, and this is dupe after dupe, and I feel like I'm getting duped.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, I get it.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's like, do I need to spend more money? Cause I'm not going to.
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Tim Gettys
Don't do it. You don't need to. Just hold out, man.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm trying, Tim. It'll take some big, big money for Me to get the cards that I'm looking for. But if I wanted something smaller, say the tiniest news I need to know about, where would I go?
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Tim Gettys
You go to our last story, the WE News Channel, where we cover all the small news items you need to know. I got a new shirt. Yo, my guy. I got this shirt, my ass. Holy cow, that's sick.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Is that official or did we make that? That's official. Oh, that's an official.
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Tim Gettys
That's official, baby. Oh, that's awesome.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Cool merch.
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Tim Gettys
That's Wii News story number five.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's time for Wii News from Automaton Pokemon Red. Thank you, Mike, for doing the jingle. Pokemon Red and Green are no longer the top selling Pokemon games in Japan. As reported by Game Biz. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet overtook the record this year, shifting over 8.3 million units in Japan alone as of November 18th.
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Tim Gettys
That is so freaking wild. We're. I think yesterday was the two year anniversary of Scarlet and Violet. Yeah. Which is very, very scary to me because that means it's the two year anniversary of me being re obsessed with Pokemon again. As you can see with my badges here and the amount of money that I spent in Pokemon Go and now Pokemon trading card Game, both the actual card game and Pocket. So fuck you, Pokemon. You can go die.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But also love you, Pokemon.
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Tim Gettys
Yes, I love you so much. And yeah, this is just wild. And I do, you know, looking at the numbers, every time Nintendo puts out their quarterly, like the fiscal results, like you just see the Pokemon Switch games go up and up and up and like, I would not be surprised if at the end of the day that it's not just Japan, that these numbers are cool as well? Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
What is it? How much time? Oh, we got time. How is it that Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, which are the most broken Pokemon games to come out, are also somehow the most successful Pokemon games to come out?
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Tim Gettys
Is it just this?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Because also there are other Pokemon games on Switch that didn't do well as Pokemon Scarlet and Violet.
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Tim Gettys
Well, not as well, but like that's the thing is like Sword and Shield, I might be wrong here. I don't think these numbers might change this, but Scarlet and Violet I don't think have overtaken Sword and Shield yet. I think it's very close. Have they?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm pretty. I thought they did.
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Tim Gettys
I could be wrong.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I could. Let me double check.
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Tim Gettys
But yeah, I do know that like that we still have like Red, Blue and Green and yellow are at the top spot. So.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, Pokemon, let's go.
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Tim Gettys
But yeah, let's go. I mean, those feel more like spinoffs too. And yeah, those sold significantly less than Sword and Shield and like the core new gen games. But even then they're still at like, what, 15 million or something? Like, it's just insane numbers that we're.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Talking about, updated numbers. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, it's like they're like maybe a million away.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, exactly. It's real close. I do think that they're gonna eventually pop up above it, but. Yeah, that's pretty damn impressive.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, I didn't know that. I thought I could have sworn that Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, like, had overtaken it by now.
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Tim Gettys
No, it just had such a fast, like, starting point, three days.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It sold 10 million.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting, like when Pokemon Zaw comes out. Like what that looks like. Yeah, like the Legends games, I mean, they're similar. More similar, I'd say, to the let's Go games as far as performance. Yeah. So we'll see.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Animal Crossing sold 46.45 million.
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Tim Gettys
That's freaking crazy.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Dear Lord. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold 64.27 million copies.
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Tim Gettys
And it was a port, essentially.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Elden ring sold 25 million.
- [55:52]
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Mario Kartik Deluxe is crazy. Moving on. New Xbox Game Pass games have been announced today. You're getting Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. On November 20th, you're getting S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2, Heart of Chernobyl, Little Kitty, Big City. And played up on November 26, you're getting nine souls. And on the 27th, you're getting dark Descent. Assassin's Creed Syndicate has finally received a 60fps update on Xbox Series X, PS5 and PS5 Pro. That is out now. Barrett Courtney is very happy because that is his favorite Assassin's Creed game and also because he's been waiting forever for the 60fps update from VGC. The global theme park rights to Minecraft have been acquired by Merlin Entertainment, the group behind Alton Towers. Peppa Pig World and Legoland. The first two attractions are planned to open an existing uk.
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Tim Gettys
And let's go to Peppa Pig World.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I wonder what's going on in Peppa Pig World.
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Tim Gettys
What else you got going on?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You think they're serving pork over there?
- [56:49]
Tim Gettys
Damn.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Just go over there, get some pork chops. Like, oh, man, I love it here.
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Tim Gettys
That's fucked up.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
The first two attractions are planned to open an existing UK and US Merlin Park. I didn't know there were US Merlin Parks.
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Tim Gettys
I didn't either.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's opening up in 2026 and 2027. Chat. Where are the Merlin Parks and do they have.
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Tim Gettys
Oh, Legoland. Well, I guess Legoland would be in Merlin park then. Because if it's owned by them, where's Legoland? SoCal.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, so we can go.
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Tim Gettys
We go to Legoland.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, I want to wait till Minecraft open.
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Tim Gettys
Okay, good. Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
2026 makes sense. Next up, Sie has appointed Olivier Courtemanche as its new head of mobile, and Justin Kubiak as head of mobile business development and partnerships. Rod Ferguson says future Diablo 4 seasons will have content exclusive to Vessel of hatred owners. F0X Music is now available on Nintendo Store.
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Tim Gettys
So far every week, new album dropping on Nintendo Music.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I would love them to do something like insane with Nintendo Music and just release a soundtrack for a game that's not even announced yet.
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Tim Gettys
Whoa.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You know what I mean?
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Tim Gettys
That'd be sick.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. Super Mario Odyssey 2 soundtrack pops up out of nowhere. But it's just. This is like the lead song or whatever. The Jump Up Superstar.
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Tim Gettys
I like that.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Lorelei and the laser eyes is set to launch for PS4 and PS5 on December 3rd. I was listening to Jump Up Super Star the other day as you do, and I'm like, man, what a magical game.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, Mario.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Let's all just replay Mario Odyssey.
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Tim Gettys
I know, Rog. I mean, he's not here right now to do this, but I want him to break out our reaction to the Mario Odyssey trailer. Cause like us seeing a dinosaur with little Mario hat for the first time, it's like, what is this game? Yeah, dude, what is happening?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
So sick. But yeah, if I could, like, have a game that we all just play, like, I can make the whole. The whole world just play over again.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Just because.
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Tim Gettys
Take two. Let's go, Mario Odyssey.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Let's run it back. Y2K IV drops on December 2, 2024 is a free update to Y2K, a postmodern RPG. And then lastly, Super Monkey Ball Banana Rumble 2.0 update launches November 26 alongside Godzilla and Hatsune Miku DLC.
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Tim Gettys
Because why not?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Just a bunch of buzz terms put together, y'all.
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Tim Gettys
Buzz terms.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Let me check to see if we have any super chats in here. Voice Dasher says everyone worried about exclusives. It's Sony, not PlayStation like Bungie. This is to bring more money and everything. And this is to bring more money and everything will remain multi. Ps don't need more reasons to buy a console. They need overall money.
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Tim Gettys
I think there's not a chance. You're right there. Yeah, No, I think if this goes through FromSoftware goes to PlayStation.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yes. I think PlayStation wants to own from software, so if they can do it, they're gonna try and do it. Zeke Speak says, are roguelikes a genre? Metroidvanias is ORI in the same category as Dead Cells? What about Zelda and God of War? How the hell do we slice this pie?
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Tim Gettys
You're bringing up the exact points I always make. That's like, you can just describe game by game, but to then compare the games, it gets complicated. It's like we're just trying our best to do something that is actually impossible. It doesn't make sense because we're just trying to bucket things that actively don't want to be bucketed, because that. What makes them different is what makes them good. If they're just doing the exact same thing, then it's like, all right, cool, what are we doing this special here? There are certain genres that you can be like, without a shadow of a doubt, that's a 2D platformer. But then the moment that 2D platformer starts doing things just a little bit differently, it's no longer that. It's something else mixed with other genres. Let it just be its thing.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm of the mind, I think I come from a similar place, but also of the mind that, like, there are games that are purely of a genre. Right. There are games I look at, I'm like, oh, that's Metroidvania, and this is what makes Metroidvania. Or that's like, for me, a Roguelite typically isn't a Metroidvania. Right. Like, I feel like those are two distinct things that said, to your point, like, more and more games are blurring the lines, and it's not even a new thing, right?
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Tim Gettys
No, from back in the day. Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like, you know, you look at certain games on NES or SNES and you're like, oh, there's a platformer, but it's also an action game. Like Mega Man.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Platforming action game.
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Tim Gettys
When you look at Zelda 2 Adventures of Link on the NES, and it's like, all right, cool. It's drastically different than the first Zelda game. People would call the first Zelda game action, adventure, action RPG, I guess. Maybe. I don't know.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
But Zelda 2, straight up, it's an RPG and it's a 2D platformer. They don't give a fuck.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. You know, I think genres exist, obviously, but I also think that, like, we have to be very lenient as far as, like, trying to create hard lines, because hard lines, we're not going to be able to do it. To your point, Tim.
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Tim Gettys
Yes. Thank you.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Zeke Speak, I guess wrote in earlier again and says game genre is hard because we describe games both aesthetically and mechanically. Shooters can have skill trees. Fantasy games can be linear. Horror games can have choices. We need to pick a lane. I do. Here's the problem is that I do love this conversation, though I do like defining things a lot.
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Tim Gettys
Because here's the thing, Wes. And here's the thing that I feel like people don't understand. It is fun to talk about this stuff.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
Because it doesn't actually matter. And us trying to make it matter is the fun part. Like, what's the point of an award show? It's to have fun.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Just to honor things. Right?
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Tim Gettys
To honor things that we like. And yeah, then there's business ramifications and all of that stuff. Why the fuck do we care about that? Or we care about that. We can't just like, be like, oh, man, it has to be this way. But all game awards is just a giant commercial. Yes, it's a giant commercial. Even for the games winning awards, that's. They're just being marketed. That's just marketing. I love it. I fucking love it here.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I am of the mind to Zeke speak here.
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Tim Gettys
Right?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Of like, we need to pick a lane again. I think so many things can be multiple things, right? You can be fantasy and you can also be a shooter. You know what I mean? Like, those aren't. Oh, man. My thing. Just blue screen. Not blue screen, but it just went. Crashed, went off. Oh, no.
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Tim Gettys
Let's get back in there.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Get back in there. But no, I think that's just the nature of video games. I'm somebody that oftentimes, when talking about genres, I like to go by defining things mechanically, as opposed to defining games mechanically first and then by setting or whatever. Second. So, for example, I'd start off by calling something an rpg. And then if it's a horror rpg, for example, which sounds awesome, I don't think we have many of those, then horror would almost be the second thing that matters to it. Because it's a video game, it's not a movie, it's not a TV show. But again, like, who cares? Yeah, hold on. I'm still trying to get back to the super chats. Now we're back. Mrniceguy Rye says, love the whole KF crew being all hands on deck for content and shout out to Roger for the PS5 reveal highlight video. An all time moment for me.
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Tim Gettys
Hell yeah. I watched that last night. It's fun.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Joey Radstone says I vote for Blessing as our genre arbiter. I did think about making a video essay. Yeah, I did think about, like, just creating a video where we just sit and just talk about genres. Mike likes it. Mike's nodding his head. I like it.
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Tim Gettys
Go for it. Let's do it.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
One of my favorite moments is like, teaching Mike about what an RPG is on a. I forget what show it was. That was a Patreon exclusive. It was, remember Blank, where, like, you know, it was one of those conversations where we're talking about, like, a turn based thing. And Mike's like, I don't see turn based as rpg. And I looked at Mike and I was like, mike, you just turned this into a whole conversation. Because now we got to really break this down. So, yeah, maybe one day I would.
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Tim Gettys
Love for you to do that and then I'd love to see the comments.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, yeah, no, I think it'd be a fun conversation. Like, I honestly. And if people get pissed off, people get pissed off. But I think that, like, that conversation can be had in a way where people can be like, cool. I get that. I understand.
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Tim Gettys
Here's the thing.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You can disagree and still understand.
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Tim Gettys
Absolutely. Look, to me, what's important is that there's consistency within an individual's understanding of the thing. And as long as that person can explain those consistencies, I feel like then we're cooking, then we're in a good spot here. But that's the problem, is that when rules are set forward and then people don't follow those rules, and then games get nominated a certain way, then everyone's all upset because the rules didn't fucking matter. It's like, well, it's because people didn't play the game correctly. People didn't fucking look at the words being said of what describes an action adventure or an action RPG based on the parameters that were set for. And it's like, cool, that's the mess that we're gonna be in here. But as long as Blessing knows what he thinks an action RPG is and explains that to you so that when he is nominating his best action rpg, it all makes sense.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I also just don't think action RPG and best action should be in the same thing. I just think it's too close. It's too confusing.
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Tim Gettys
I mean, I'm totally with you there, but it is actually. It's not action RPGs. Not even on the thing.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, sorry. Not action RPG. Sorry, adventure. That's what I mean.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, it's silly. It's dumbass words put together, in my opinion. Yeah, but those words are put together and it's a category and we vote for it. So strap in, y'all.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Mike, I'm gonna make that video for.
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Tim Gettys
You, just for Mike.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then I'm gonna pull in one more from Aaron, who writes in and says, this potential Kadokawa acquisition would be fairly devastating for the anime field, both production and distribution. Sony, run Crunchyroll, funimation and write stuff have declined. Very Disney buying. Fox. There you have it. Now it's time for kindafunny.com you're wrong where you write in. Let us know what we got wrong as we got it wrong so we can correct it. For those watching later on YouTube and listening later on podcast services around the globe. Globe, globe, globe. Let's see here. Fusion says, according to GSC data from June 2023, 41% of Elden ring sales were PS4 and PS5, followed by 30% on Xbox and 29% on PC.
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Tim Gettys
That's not as runaway as I expected it to be. Yeah, but when you start talking about, like, when you look at that proportion to the amount of copies sold, that's a lot. That's millions and millions. You know what I mean?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I mean, okay, so when you're talking about PlayStation and PC, that's 70%. What's 70% of 25 million? I'm not gonna do that math off the top. Tim just looks at me and starts shaking his head no. Let's just say, conservatively, let's say 16 million. All right. As if you acquire from software, would you say. Would you be down to say goodbye to 9 million of those sales to keep it exclusive?
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Tim Gettys
I mean, again, the problem to me is the cost of acquiring.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
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Tim Gettys
Where it's like, it just almost doesn't seem like it's possible for that to be worth it. But in the context of Sony buying it with all the other things, then you also get it. It makes a lot of sense. But, yeah, I don't know that it's worth it. Acquiring. I really don't like the amount of money. We don't know the money. We don't know the cost associated. But, like, the amount of billions, whatever they put down, if. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I mean, from software plus that anime shit, that probably means even more to them. Like, I think that if you can get from software is a nice plus, and you Know how much that's gonna bolster your games business? Oh, you know, it's, it's like, you know, you roll up, it's like you roll up to McDonald's. Yeah, you roll up to McDonald's and you're like, oh man, let me get the double quarter pounder. And they're like, oh, that also comes the Big Mac. You down for that? I'd be like, fuck yeah, I'm down for that. Throw the Big Mac up in there. Fucking, we're balling. Like that's what's happening right now.
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Tim Gettys
See, to me, I think it really comes down to the sheer math of why are you requiring when you already have the software on your system and it's to sell hardware. Would it sell enough hardware to make that up? And I, my gut says the answer is no. That's where I'm at.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, so you don't think PlayStation is going to sell enough consoles to make.
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Tim Gettys
It worth it to get the bonuses when they're already selling that big of a percentage on their system? And with PC being the other thing, Xbox being slimmer, it's like, I don't know. I don't know.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think, I think, yeah, I don't know if like you can't really do the math on like one for one. Oh, is this game selling fucking, I don't know, 9 million consoles or whatever. That's not really math that you can do. But I do think you can look at your portfolio and your current plans as far as your year to year releases and go. We can bolster this up a little bit and maybe a lot of it based on if you get from software, right, like, all right, cool. Maybe once or twice a year you might get a God of War or Spider man or whatever it is, but you might have a year like 2024 where it is, all right, we have like a smaller quality game in like Astrobot and then you have like a final Faces on Rebirth. But what if you can also have an Elden Ring?
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, yeah, here's my train of thought on this. I feel like there's no world in which PlayStation Studios acquires from software. I do think there's a world in which Sony acquires Kadokawa. Kadokawa. And then PlayStation Studios is incredibly happy. They get from software and are going to be, they're gonna make that work and it's gonna be great. But do you see what I'm saying there?
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I see where, I see what you're.
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Tim Gettys
Saying and like that to me is like, that's where it goes to the console sold and all of that stuff. But like, I also want to clear PlayStation having from software would be very good for PlayStation.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I know that, but I guess that's my thing is I think you're right as far as like that relationship between Sony and Kadokawa and PlayStation from software. I just think that the talks at PlayStation about like, what if we can. How can we acquire from software? I think those are happening like strongly and I think they keep. I would imagine that they're going to Sony. Like again, the higher ups are all having conversations all the time, I imagine about like, but what if we bought from software? Hey, how can we buy from software? Hey, what if we spent some money to buy from software? I think that's happening.
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Tim Gettys
Yeah, I don't know that it is. I don't know that it is.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Slim Getty says scuff is definitely not quality. I guess that's not. That's an opinion. That's not a factual. You're wrong. All right. Somebody else writes in and says, tim would love control. That's it. We don't have. These are all like, you know, opinions. These aren't your wrongs.
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Tim Gettys
I appreciate that.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But yeah, you would love control, Tim. This has been kind of funny. Games Daily.
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Tim Gettys
What a good one. What a fun one.
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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
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