Sony's Battle Against Tencent's Horizon Clone is Over - Kinda Funny Games Daily 12.18.25

Summary

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Kinda Funny Games Daily 12.18.25 – Sony’s Battle Against Tencent’s Horizon Clone Is Over

Date: December 19, 2025
Hosts: Greg Miller, Tim Gettys, Roger Clark, Mike Mahardy
Guests: Jack Pattillo
Theme: Daily rundown of the hottest news in video games, with engaging panel discussion, industry insights, and plenty of the trademark Kinda Funny banter.

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Overview

This episode dives into the resolution of Sony’s high-profile lawsuit with Tencent over the Horizon clone “Light of Motiram,” explores the shifting tides at studios preparing blockbuster games (and why some shakeups don’t always mean disaster), plus the future of the Fallout series as inspired by the hit TV show. The hosts reflect on the expansions and challenges of the industry, both creatively and legally, with their usual blend of humor and candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sony vs. Tencent: The Horizon Clone Lawsuit Ends

[13:55 - 18:42]

• Settlement Details: Sony and Tencent have reached a confidential settlement in their legal dispute over “Light of Motiram,” a game accused of being a "slavish clone" of Sony’s Horizon series. The game has been delisted from Steam and Epic at the same time as the settlement announcement.
  • Greg Miller: “The lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice, which means the case will be closed and cannot be brought back to court later… [the game] has also been delisted from Steam and Epic Games Store.”
• Speculation on the Game’s Fate:
  • Roger Clark: “They got to be making a lot of changes to that game, huh?”
  • Greg Miller: “Or does Sony just go, you've come this far, fine, fuck it, give us 90% of the profits…?”
• Broader Impact:
  • Sony is rigorously defending Horizon as it branches into more formats (MMO, multiplayer, LEGO spin-offs).
  • Roger Clark: “PlayStation can’t afford to tell their diehard fans that they’re canceling yet another first party game…”
  • Greg Miller: “Can Sony tell their diehard fans they’re making another game they don’t want?”

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2. Horizon Franchise: Is a Multiplayer Future Still Happening?

[16:09 - 18:00]

• Multiplayer Rumors: Amid talk of the lawsuit, the hosts discuss the planned Horizon multiplayer game from Guerrilla Games: can it survive amidst PlayStation’s shifting strategy on live service titles?
  • Roger Clark: “I do think that game comes out. The Horizon franchise… have the legs?”
  • Greg Miller: “PlayStation has taken so many licks right now just trying to get any live service product out.”

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3. Exodus Studio Shake-Up: What Does It Mean For The Game?

[18:49 - 24:20]

• Leadership Change: James Olen steps down as head of Archetype Entertainment (working on Exodus), citing that his work is “complete.”
  • Greg Miller: “It’s more interesting to see Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro being bullish on games… Hasbro’s a forward-thinking company on how to get toys out there.”
• Exodus’s Appeal (or Lack Thereof):
  • Skepticism abounds concerning its generic initial trailer and whether it will inspire excitement amidst Mass Effect comparisons.
  • Greg Miller: “Every time we talk about it, I want to be so excited for it. But then I look at the trailer and I'm like, let's temper my expectations…”
  • Mike Mahardy: “Matthew McConaughey's real voice, not AI!” (22:23)
• Owlcat’s Expanse Game Sparks More Interest:
  • Compared to Exodus, Owlcat’s upcoming Expanse action RPG feels fresh, with clear narrative hooks.

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4. Todd Howard on Fallout 5 and the TV Show’s Impact

[39:57 - 46:26]

• Canonization of the TV Show:
  • Fallout 5 will exist in a world where the events of the show happened or are happening, with Bethesda planning to incorporate the show as canon for future games.
  • Greg Miller: “I think it's still a huge missed opportunity not to have a brand new Fallout game out right now or a remaster of New Vegas… what are you doing, Xbox?”
  • Roger Clark: “We're kind of living in the best timeline when it comes to that—being able to talk to, you know, family members about Fallout lore is… so cool now.”
• Obsidian’s Place in Fallout’s Future:
  • The hosts discuss whether Obsidian could, or would want to, take on another Fallout project, noting their flexibility and creative success with New Vegas.

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5. Silent Hill F and the Global Future of Silent Hill

[48:40 - 51:52]

• Localization and Cultural Authenticity:
  • Silent Hill producer Okamoto suggests future entries could explore local folklore around the world—if authentic local teams are available.
  • Roger Clark: “Their thought process is, hey, let's give it to a team that's local in these places. That is the way to go about this. Because Silent Hill F is so successful because it is made by a team in Japan… that shows throughout the entirety of that game.”

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6. Interview: Jack Pattillo on The Last Caretaker

[52:19 - 58:33]

• Game Overview:
  • Jack shares details on “The Last Caretaker,” a survival crafting game developed by a small, responsive team, with robust community involvement and early access growth.
  • New features include vehicles, physics-based building, and continued quality-of-life improvements.
  • Jack Pattillo: “It's been so cool to see it kind of pick up and run with it. And I really, really love watching the community do stuff...our Discord server is full of great people…”
• Cross-Media Experience:
  • Jack reflects on the differences between streaming, content creation, and direct community work with a dev team.
  • Major update hits Steam Winter Sale; plans for full release on consoles next year.

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7. Required Viewing: People Make Games’ Xbox Boycott Report

[59:14 - 62:09]

• Video Recommendation:
  • The hosts highlight a People Make Games video on the Palestinian-led Xbox boycott and its industry impact, hailing it as “great journalism.”
  • Greg Miller: “There is no BDS purity. This is about doing what you can when you can. That is such a great way to put it.”
  • Roger Clark: “People Make Games is one of the best YouTube channels out there if you love video games. They've done amazing investigative journalism...”

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8. News Quick Hits: Wii News

[62:43 - 66:14]

(Short headlines and micro-updates on the industry)

• Netflix Gets FIFA Game: FIFA simulation game coming exclusively to Netflix games, developed by Delphi Interactive.
  • Greg Miller: “Just in time for FIFA World Cup 2026.”
• The Division arrives on PS5 at 60fps.
• Ark 2 now planned for 2027 (!) with a major update for Ark: Survival Ascended coming near the end of 2027.
• No Rest for the Wicked’s Together Co-op play update in Early Access coming January 22, 2026.
• Nintendo wins 15-year legal battle over Wii Remote patents.
• Horses, the game banned on digital stores, manages to sell 18,000 copies post-ban.
• Quirky Game Reveal: “Obey the Insect God” channels 90s digitized fighter game aesthetics with weird, Mortal Kombat-like mayhem.

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9. Audience Q&A and Commentary

[66:14 - End]

• Game Awards Voting Transparency: The team will share their internal Game of the Year discussions but not the actual voting breakdown out of respect for Game Awards process.
• AI in Game Dev Debate: Nuanced discussion on the ethics and practicality of generative AI vs developing original skills, including viable alternatives for solo creators.
  • Roger Clark: “As a single game developer… you’re not actually learning anything… the core of video game development should not be just ‘fart game out, make money.’”
• Audience Congratulations: Shoutouts to chat members achieving awards and milestones.
• Breaking News: Trombone Champ DLC adds songs from Undertale and Deltarune.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Podcast Ad Skipping:
  • Greg Miller [04:35]: “As always, if you didn’t know the kind of funny policy is: the audience is always wrong. So I'm just letting you know.”
• On Horizon Clone Lawsuit
  • Greg Miller [13:55]: “Sony and Tencent have now jointly asked the court to dismiss the case after a confidential settlement was agreed… suggesting Tencent could be making changes to the game.”
• On Fallout’s Future:
  • Roger Clark [40:07]: “I love just saying that they're equal fans of the world because, like, my mom who watches Last of Us—I feel the same way about her and me when I played Last of Us the video game. Like, that's such a cool bridging of gaps.”
• On Obsidian Doing More Fallout:
  • Greg Miller [43:46]: “If I was at Obsidian, I'd say, fuck, yes. Because what do you want? You want guaranteed jobs. Fallout—‘we’re making a new Fallout’ is a guaranteed ‘we get to finish this game.’”
• On Localized Silent Hill:
  • Roger Clark [50:01]: “I like that their thought process is, hey, let's give it to a team that's local in these places. That is the way to go… because Silent Hill F is so successful because it is made by a team in Japan… that shows throughout the entirety of that game.”

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Timestamps – Key Segments

• [13:55] - Main Topic: Sony Settles Horizon Clone Lawsuit with Tencent
• [16:09] - The Future of Horizon Multiplayer
• [18:49] - Exodus Studio Leadership Change and Mass Effect Comparisons
• [39:57] - Fallout 5’s Canon and the TV Show’s Influence
• [48:40] - Expanding Silent Hill via Local Culture
• [52:19] - Indie Interview: Jack Pattillo on The Last Caretaker
• [59:14] - Required Viewing: Xbox Boycott Report
• [62:43] - Wii News Lightning Round (Industry Headlines)
• [66:14] - Audience Q&A, AI Debate, and Superchats

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Tone and Style

Kinda Funny brings trademark warmth, humor, and irreverence, mixing deep industry knowledge with playful audience jabs and personal asides. Genuine, often self-deprecating, the hosts don’t shy from editorializing or calling out the oddities, missteps, and complexities of the modern games industry.

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Final Takeaway

A robust episode capturing the end-of-year mood in gaming: legal drama resolved, shifting studio landscapes, and open speculation about what the next generation of big franchises will look like. As always, Kinda Funny keeps it lively, insightful, and interactive — classic “games industry talk show while hanging out with friends” energy.

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Catch up on the next episode for more news breakdowns, industry interviews, and off-the-wall gaming discussions from the Kinda Funny crew.

Transcript

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[Tim Gettys]

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[Greg Miller]

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[Roger Clark]

Yeah, you fired me. Kicked me out off of Kind of Funny for a While now.

[Greg Miller]

I love that that joke continues.

[Roger Clark]

Oh, yeah, it was great.

[Greg Miller]

You're still getting it.

[Roger Clark]

It was great. I think. I don't know how many times have you said it on content Was just like once or twice.

[Greg Miller]

I feel like there was one day or one show. So maybe it was like a Games Daily into a games.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Mike Mahardy]

But then saying it, knowing us, it snowballed.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. But see, the audience runs with it.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean? They're the ones who are really to be blamed here. As I look into the chat. Yeah. They're the ones. We plant the seed and they water it.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And then when the little Audrey 2 gets out on blame for everything. You know what I mean?

[Roger Clark]

But I'm back, everybody. Don't you worry about it. I'm back from suspension.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

From going to New York. But I'm feeling good, Greg. I'm excited. I'm excited to see the. The holiday version of kind of Funny Games Daily. I'm just, I'm getting ready for the holidays.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, it's been running for 18 days. Huh? Been running.

[Roger Clark]

I don't watch until I'm on content. Until I'm on content. I don't watch this content. Any content.

[Greg Miller]

Well, you're also using the skip button.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, exactly.

[Greg Miller]

I'm just going tell you what. Oh, oh, my God. You know what I mean? Like, I get it. That like, oh my God, an advertisement, an intro rigmarole to go goes too long. I understand these things. Right. But then when I actually had to start commuting again after 2020, after the COVIDs and all that jazz, and I started listening to my other favorite podcasters and I was like, the amount of ads everybody else puts in their shows and then our own.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Where it is like, oh, I've heard Mike tell this story. And I just on my. I tap the screen and there's the chapter breakdown because of the time code and I skipped to the first. I'm like, everybody's man. Y' all got too much to complain about when you're complaining.

[Roger Clark]

Oh, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

There's other things.

[Roger Clark]

You just press it. I have my. I have the button on my 32nd button. Yeah. I'm just. I'm just smashing that at all times.

[Greg Miller]

As always. If you didn't know the kind of funny policy is the audience is always wrong. So I'm just letting you know. Of course. Now Omega Buster says Greg Miller five times speed. I don't play with that.

[Roger Clark]

That's nuts.

[Greg Miller]

The people, even the 2 times speed, the 1.5 I don't do that. I can't do that.

[Roger Clark]

I do it.

[Greg Miller]

I'm here for the conversation.

[Roger Clark]

I do it for like a YouTube video. If it's like a tutorial, you know what I mean? If I really need to get the information and I know kind of the.

[Greg Miller]

Inevitably I do that and then I miss something and I have to read.

[Roger Clark]

Oh, really?

[Greg Miller]

Whenever I'm trying to do something with the Steam deck or something in the.

[Roger Clark]

Background, I think it's just. I think it's just our generation. My generation is just built that I believe.

[Greg Miller]

Subway Surfer of the bottom generation. Meanwhile, I'm listening to the audiobook and I stopped to think of what I want for dinner. And it's 15 minutes. I don't know what's happened. I gotta rewind the book. I can't. I can't multitask. But I'm like, that's an interesting thing.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Because I am the worst multitasker. Really, To a point. Like, you know, you've seen me in meetings. We're in a meeting. I'm like, joey, please slack me about something. I'm gonna forget about that. I'll never remember that I tell you to do. You have the conversation with me. I'm making a cup of coffee. I'm like, you gotta. You gotta slack the codes. I'm never.

[Roger Clark]

How much is the slacking helping you, though?

[Greg Miller]

I leave one read or I put on notifications. Oh, I live and die by slack. So it's like if I see the number there, I go to it right away.

[Roger Clark]

You're not notification. Like, reminder person on your phone, you're not.

[Greg Miller]

As much as I like the Apple ecosystem, the reminders I. I don't use appropriately, apparently, where I'm like, remind me of this at 6:00. And it's like, yeah, you got it. And then it just puts in there like, thing at 6 o'. Clock. And then I never get it. Never alarm. So like, when I need. Like last night I left a whole bunch of peaches in my car. I said, hey. I said, hey, you know, hey, hey, thing. Hey, I'm not gonna do it.

[Roger Clark]

You don't want to turn.

[Greg Miller]

Set an alarm labeled car at 8:45 or whatever. That way the alarm would go off at 8:45. I would know to get the thing. Yeah, it went off and I was like, I'm too tired. I'm not getting it. The peaches are still in the car. You know what I mean?

[Roger Clark]

Fine.

[Greg Miller]

Huh?

[Roger Clark]

Are the peaches fine? Why do you get so many peaches?

[Greg Miller]

And it's a joke gift for Jen for Christmas. Nobody blow it up.

[Roger Clark]

Okay?

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean? Because whenever we go to Costco, she always sees this giant thing of peaches like that glass, like it looks nice. She always makes fun of like, I'm gonna get that for Christmas. Okay? Got a bunch of spaghetti back there too.

[Roger Clark]

Is that part of the gift?

[Greg Miller]

No, we did spaghetti. You know what I mean? We went to Costco over the weekend and we ran out of spaghetti.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

Now you just got a bunch of spaghetti.

[Greg Miller]

Got it there. You know what I mean? I got it all. Of course. Everybody, this isn't kind of spaghetti. You know what the show's called? Kind of Funny Spaghetti Daily. That's next year.

[Roger Clark]

That's for Kind of Funny day next year. Spoiler.

[Greg Miller]

Spoilers for the chat. This is Kinda Funny Games Daily. Each and every weekday we run you through the nerdy video game news you need to know about live on YouTube.com kinda funnygames, Twitch TV, kindafunnygames, podcast services around the globe. If you like that, we'd love you to pick up a kinda funny membership. Patreon.com kindafunny YouTube.com kinda funnygames, Apple Spotify, YouTube. You toss us some bucks, we toss you everything we do ad free on the daily. Of course, you'd also get your daily dose of me, Greg Miller in a series we call Greg Way and good karma for supporting an 11 person small business. All about live talk shows. Of course you should be watching us live if you are YouTube super chat. YouTube.com kind of funny games to be part of the show with your thoughts on the stories with whatever's going on. Arturo Tron Robo bartender says birthday tax. Happy birthday. That's how easy it is. You know what I mean? The Portland Kevin says. Last week I released my latest episode of PlayStation Plus Game Club. This one was about blueprints thanks to Gary Scott and Jordan Vickers on the show. There you go.

[Roger Clark]

Wow.

[Greg Miller]

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[Roger Clark]

This is very exciting. This is gonna be very emotional. I've seen a lot of my friends be very emotional about this ending. So I'm excited to see it live on Snowbike.

[Greg Miller]

Mike, when you look at this promo art, do you think Mike's got a small head or Barrett's got a big head?

[Roger Clark]

A little bit of both.

[Mike Mahardy]

When Roger sent this in, I was like, oh, those ratios are really.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, you know, I've been doing a lot. You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

Barrett is a great teacher or he's won some kind of local PTA award. And this is Mike's mug shot. Mike got arrested for drunk driving last night. He shot at 1:30 in the morning.

[Mike Mahardy]

That's how we'll feel on the, on the streams.

[Greg Miller]

How, Barrett? I, Yeah, I, you know, I of course am not into the anime and I have not.

[Mike Mahardy]

We tried.

[Jack Patillo]

We tried our hardest.

[Greg Miller]

You did. I appreciate that for you. But again, you know, it's just me watching stuff. Doesn't stick, period. How long, how many episodes? What's going.

[Mike Mahardy]

This is a shorter season, which I knew. So when we announced this on kind of Funny Day at the beginning of this year, I was like, this is, you know, it's going to be like roughly a four hour commitment. It's not going to be crazy. It's not going to be a whole 23 episode season. It's 11 episodes. Mike has no idea how the story ends, which I'm very excited to be there in person to watch him react to it all live. I have not watched the final season, but obviously I've read the manga, so I know where it's all going to go. But my reaction is going to be more so like, like how they adapted all the voice acting, the, you know, the music and all this stuff. And then we will also be joined by a true rare appearance, my partner in crime for life, Alyssa, who is also a big fan, very excited and has been upset with me with this stream because she's like, I just want to watch it.

[Greg Miller]

Can I watch it? God damn it.

[Mike Mahardy]

And I was like, no, you should join us for this. And so she is relieved to finally watch these final 11 episodes this Saturday.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah. Lance was very excited for Silent Hill F as well. So she asked me the same thing. She was like, for your stream, can I just be there? And I said, no, you don't want to see what Mike and I are going to get after you. You don't want to be. You don't want to Be near that. You don't want to be near that.

[Mike Mahardy]

A stream with me is going to.

[Jack Patillo]

Be much more normal than that.

[Mike Mahardy]

So that's why I invited. Listen.

[Greg Miller]

But you do have Mike.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah. You don't know.

[Greg Miller]

There will be an outback order and an argument about this and whatever.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah. You will have to order food for an hour.

[Mike Mahardy]

Well, that's the thing. Like Alyssa requested jollibee and I feel like already Mike is going to be up tight.

[Roger Clark]

He's going to be up.

[Greg Miller]

But it's the thing her doing it. He'll do the thing where he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he'll get it and he won't eat it and he'll quietly order another thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An 11 person business. All about live talk shows today. After the kind of funny games cast, you're gonna get the I'm sorry, after kind of funny games daily you're gonna get the Gamescast. It's Game of the year 2025. Our final check in myself blessing and Mike talking about where we are right now in the hunt for game of the year after Gamescast. It's in review. Avatar. There's a new Avatar out. Yeah, everybody saw it like three weeks ago. Fuck no.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, fuck. You want to come with me hang out?

[Greg Miller]

No, I love to hang out with you.

[Roger Clark]

You want to watch 3 hours. 3 hour and 20 minutes of of Avatar no. 7pm I hate I cinema will never.

[Greg Miller]

Forgive them for trying to make 3D a thing. And they may it worked. Yeah, but like James Cameron, just make more Terminators. That's all you need to make.

[Roger Clark]

Get some cool content.

[Greg Miller]

Like well, we're gonna put four different Avengers trailers and out of spite I'm gonna tick tock the out of those.

[Roger Clark]

I've already seen them.

[Greg Miller]

I've already seen them. I've only seen. I've only seen the one.

[Roger Clark]

Well, I've seen. I think that the. There's another one. The second one is already out there. That also might just be AI.

[Greg Miller]

I went to lunch with Tim. Yeah. And he was like, have you ever won? I'm a usual. Do you know? And I was like, I watched the one. I'm not gonna spoil it for you guys.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Jack Patillo]

He's like, all right.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. That's the only official one out. Or that's out. The synopsis for the other one is official. Yeah. And then this thing from that thing is. I'm like, okay, cool. I just wait. I'm so over this. I'm not over it. But it's like I don't need to follow it that way.

[Roger Clark]

I don't need to go to the theater. I remember going to the theater for robots to see the Spider Man. Not Spider Man, Star Wars Episode 3 trailer beforehand. But like that. That time's over.

[Greg Miller]

See, I'm so old. I remember when people went to see Meet Joe Black just to see episode one.

[Roger Clark]

Sick.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah. That's the only reason you went to go see Robots?

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. And then we missed it. We got lit. We were late so we just watched Robots. It was fire. It was a good movie with it. But yeah, I was lit.

[Greg Miller]

Dash KTW says Greg hates everything that isn't some boomer like Superman or Ghostbusters.

[Roger Clark]

Avatar is also boomer.

[Greg Miller]

Superman is more current than ever. All right.

[Roger Clark]

Also be honest.

[Greg Miller]

I got three movies. You get shut up.

[Jack Patillo]

You get shut up.

[Greg Miller]

You shut up. Ghostbusters thing you got me dead to rights on after then the stream is going to be sponsored five hour Energy Outer Worlds two race. And then we have another stream with the one, the only Jack Pattillo in office to talk about the last caretaker. If you're a kind of funny member, today's Greg Way is going to be great. I was listening to a great video I'll talk about later in the show. Thank you. That's why I didn't do Greg Way yet. Oh, you know what I mean. I don't know. Maybe I'll do a live one. Maybe I'll do that during interview. I like the thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl, Jacob, Omega, Buster and Delaney. The Psalm twining for now. Let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the rope report. Seven items on the rope report because dozen now Ally Alley just wants to fight with me. But it's not going to work. Unpopular hot take. Ghostbusters is massively overrated. Here's what I would say. I would think it's rated appropriately. It's just there's a bunch of psychopaths like me that have built their lives around it and I'm not. I'm not so in the sauce of Ghostbusters that I even. I look around like it's this popular still. We're still dressing up in the.

[Roger Clark]

It's. It's also a generational thing. Right where I was at. I was at the grocery store and I saw a kid wearing the whole Ghostbusters thing and my first thought wasn't oh my God, that kid loves Ghostbusters. My first thought was man, his father loves Ghostbusters. And now this kid loves Ghostbusters because of that.

[Greg Miller]

100%.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, it's a curse.

[Greg Miller]

Generational curse. Is it a curse or a virus? We're just going to keep spreading so everybody always sees it. Number one $0.10 Horizon clone has been pulled from stores as Sony settles lawsuit this is Andy Robinson at the Verge. Sony has settled its dispute over the upcoming 10 cent game Light of. And I always get this right, Motiram, do the Andy thing where he makes fun of me. Motiram, which is accused of being a slavish clone of Horizon series. According to court docs filed this week via the Game Post, the two companies have reached a confidential settlement and it appears that the game has also been delisted from Steam and Epic Games Store. According to this week's filing, Sony and Tencent have now jointly asked the court to dismiss the case after a confidential settlement was agreed, the lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice, which means that the case will be closed and cannot be brought back to court later. Notably, at the same time the court filing appearing, the Light project pages on both Steam and Epic Games Store were removed, potentially suggesting that Tencent could be making changes to the game.

[Roger Clark]

They got to be making a lot of changes to that game, huh?

[Greg Miller]

Do they? Or does Sony just go, you've come this far, Fine, fuck it, give us 90% of the profits in here.

[Roger Clark]

Oh, you think?

[Greg Miller]

No, I don't.

[Roger Clark]

No.

[Greg Miller]

But I mean, I mean, because they.

[Roger Clark]

Got so much going on with the Horizon license and, you know, with their other, you know, potential multiplayer game and everything, there has to be some type of reworking. Or maybe this game is just dead. Maybe that's what this is. Maybe this is just 10 cent looking at them and being like, okay, we'll just, let's just call this even. We're going to close this game out, we'll give you X amount of money and we're just going to take this as a big L on the taxes.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I, you know, how deep are you into it? What could you rework it into? And then, yeah, what is the agreement? We'll never know. But it will be interesting to see if this reboots or comes out somewhere else. You say there's so much going on with Horizon. Do you still believe we're getting that Horizon Gorilla multiplayer game? And before the chat pops off, I know Gorilla has said as much that they're working on, but we also know that PlayStation has drastically changed in the last 18 to 20 months. Let's talk for a second. As adults, let's talk about like adults, you know what I mean? And also what's, I'm trying to Google it right now. What's the Horizon? Horizon Steel Frontiers.

[Roger Clark]

That's the mobile one.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. The new MMO RPG from NCSoft and Gorilla. PC and mobile, right? Yeah. Or is it just. No, yeah, it's mobile too. Okay.

[Roger Clark]

I think so. We're so deep in this and also again, we are trying to make Horizon a thing and I think that this is a huge part of this. I think that's the reason why they came after this tencent game so fast and so furious. Because they see the potential in making a Horizon multiplayer video game that is like a monster hunter. That is something that you and your friends can hop into and enjoy this world. See, I do think that game comes out. Of course we can now talk about will that game actually be successful? Will it, the Horizon, you know, franchise have the legs. We've tried doing the Lego game, we've tried, you know, doing the LEGO sets. I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

J Dublin in the chat says PlayStation can't afford to tell their die hard fans that they're canceling yet another first party game.

[Mike Mahardy]

That's also true.

[Greg Miller]

I go the opposite way. Can Sony tell their die hard fans they're making another game they don't want? And I, and I'm not saying, don't get me wrong, yeah, Gorilla, incredibly talented studio. We know we like monster hunting and so a co op. I forget if they've actually detailed what it is or if it's all rumors and leaks. A co op, three person, whatever. Horizon where I'm hunting, that could be really cool. But I'm also not jonesing for that now. I'm one fan. There's a million other ones in there. Like sure, PlayStation has taken so many licks right now on just trying to get any live service product out.

[Roger Clark]

I agree with that and I, I, I get where you're coming from but also a lot of that was them trying to create new things. Right? Create new IPs that just are not going to work.

[Greg Miller]

Right.

[Roger Clark]

Like Fair Games is not going to work. I mean, well, we don't know but I don't think it's going to work.

[Greg Miller]

Concord definitely save you the trouble. You're never going to see, so don't worry about that. You're never going to see Fair Games. So.

[Roger Clark]

But then you have the Horizon IP and I think especially if you have that on PlayStation and PC the same time, you know, with that whole situation there is a way that that works and I don't think that that's going to be as negatively received and especially if you say, hey, also, we're clearly doing another Horizon single player video game. This is not in place.

[Greg Miller]

So terrible.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, we're doing a trilogy so the second one can have a shitty ending.

[Roger Clark]

That's what every single, you know, trilogy goes for now at this point.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

You know what I mean? But either way, I think that this is the there is is hope forward going forward for the Horizon franchise and this multiplayer game. I wouldn't write it off so fast.

[Greg Miller]

I just wonder, you know what I mean? Again, as we see so many shifting sands over there, of course this week on the the marathon news that that is coming in March for $40. Like, okay, cool, let's see what we get when we get there. Yeah, you know, not much to dive into on this. The the report here of 10 cent and PlayStation settling because of course we all saw that game and said, holy, they're just ripping off Horizons.

[Roger Clark]

So yeah, my first instinct was, oh, it can't be that bad. And you watch, this is really bad. This is insane.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, well, fair enough on that one. Let's move to story number two. Exodus's studio head steps down. This is the shry guy. Jason Schreier at Bloomberg. Hasbro Incorporated, the toy and gaming company is bringing in a new executive to lead expanding video game effort under its Wizards of the coast label. Blizzard veteran and Dream Haven Incorporated co founder Paul Della Bitta. Yeah, I got it. That's a good name talk. Paul Della Bitta.

[Roger Clark]

That's fire.

[Greg Miller]

I like that. Will take over the Wizards of the Coast Digital Ventures division under Wizards present John Haidt, also a Blizzard veteran, Hasbro said in a statement to Bloomberg on Wednesday. James Olen, co founder of the company's Archetype Entertainment Studio, developer of the upcoming Exodus, will step aside. Quote at this stage, James felt his work on the game was complete and that the polishing and tuning were in great hands with the team, said Abby Hodes, vice president of corporate communications for Hasbro and Estate Statement. Hoads added that Olin had, quote, unquote, asked to shift his creative focus to tabletop role playing games and would stay on as a creative consultant for the company.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

The year's almost over. We're running out of game news, it turns out. Yeah, it's like a shake up. But I mean, I don't know what to read into that at all. It's more interesting to see Wizards of The coast and Hasbro being bullish on games. Yeah, you know what I mean? Hasbro, I think is one of those brands you might look past in terms of, well, what are they doing? And they make toys, of course. But I think as somebody who again is a Ghostbuster freak and has the Hasbro Pulse app and does all these drops and the way they do the Hasbro limited edition, like, hey, we're basically kickstarting this stuff through the, like they're a forward thinking company on how to get toys out there. So for them to be taking games seriously, awesome. And then obviously Wizards has been doing so well for so long.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, I, I, for me personally, when I see Exodus, this doesn't bring me excitement. Like we've seen that game so much. At this point where I look at it, I didn't realize this game apparently is coming out 2027. I did not. I thought that this was had to been coming out in the next year. But 2027 and then also the, the head leaving the game. It's just to me, this doesn't scream like, oh man, I'm super excited to play this video game.

[Greg Miller]

But yeah, if we want to turn it to Exodus, this is the ongoing conversation. Correct me if I'm wrong, we had the trailer at Game wars and we talked about it there too.

[Mike Mahardy]

This is the trailer.

[Greg Miller]

Thank you so much. It's one of those, right? It's like such a blur. This game always blurs into something else.

[Roger Clark]

Once I see the, the bear, then I'm like, okay, that's.

[Greg Miller]

See, for me, it's the gun where they got the gun with the globe in the center of it and the light. And I'm like, that is so Mass Effect. I'm like, all right, this is the Mass Effect clone.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Which I'm like, I'm not against. We're not getting Mass Effects. If you did miss and remember, of course, Exodus is a sci fi action adventure RPG where you become the traveler leading humanity's fight for survival against the Celestials. Celestials face our evolution 40,000 years in the future, explore extraordinary worlds and confront time itself to shape the fate of generations. I really feel Exodus is that game where every time we talk about it, I want to be so excited for it. But then I look at the trailer and I'm like, let's temper my expectations on what we're getting.

[Mike Mahardy]

Matthew McConaughey.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, I was going to mention.

[Greg Miller]

Is he in it? I forget he's a fan of. This is the other thing with games like this where you Announce them so early. And so I have to hear about so many other space RPG's that I can't remember what the fuck McConaughey even said or did when he came out with that one.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, he's voicing a character. There's a gamespot article from three days ago. Because Matthew McConaughey also is part of an AI company for voice acting and everything Faces. Exodus is using Matthew McConaughey's real voice.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, good.

[Roger Clark]

Okay. Not AI. So that's also been good right there.

[Greg Miller]

Classic taste on. Hey, you know what I mean?

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, yeah. I just look at this game and maybe it's great. Whatever. It just doesn't scream like, man, I got to play this right now. And again with the 2027, that's just not really screaming confidence in this whole situation.

[Greg Miller]

And that's the problem. Right. Where, again, you're saying the right things. I love a good, meaty, open world action adventure RPG sci. Yes. This all sounds great. It's just the idea. And I know this gets used too much, so I'm sorry, but when you watch this trailer, this is a trailer that you think you'd see on the TV in a TV show of somebody playing video games.

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[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Where, like, there's just something about it that is so middle of the road. I don't want to say generic, but it's like there right now. I look at this and I don't see personality.

[Mike Mahardy]

Joey Radstone in the chat calls it the teemu of Mass Effect.

[Greg Miller]

Right. It's like when you think of. I look at this and I start blending. And maybe again, when we know more about the game, we've done a preview and blah, blah, blah. But, like, if Mass Effect was here and bam, you threw an N7 on it, you saw the Normandy, you'd be like, ah, there's something, you know, not even if you didn't even know what Mass Effect was, you're like, there's something to latch onto into here. Everything looks so we are right from the concept art, which isn't a. It isn't a good thing, I guess, but it just doesn't look like, what is the thing, what is the world? What. And I don't, you know, I don't know.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, yeah. It's always so tough, especially when you haven't played the game, previewed it specifically, like, getting your hands on it and being able to understand the lore, because I'm sure this is way deeper than it's. It's. It's. We're seeing Just from the. We're connecting it to the things we already know. So we're connecting it to Mass Effect, of course, because it has that connection there. But we're also. We're like, oh, it's not clearly the biggest of AAA video games and it has, you know, some of those concessions taken there. So it's. To me, this is just a huge question mark. And I'm just. When I see this news coupled with the trailer, I'm like, okay, this doesn't feel like this is something that we're gonna be seeing for a while now.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, the news. The news is a weird one where it's like, okay, cool. We're talking about the studio head stepping down and move. It's like that again, for a studio that we don't know. You know what I mean? To be like Archetype Entertainment. Okay. They got. I don't. I don't know how big of a deal James's co founder was for that. What's going. So it's like. Or whatever. And like people move around all the time.

[Roger Clark]

But shout out to your. Your first point, which Hasbro, everything. We gotta bring back Transformers.

[Greg Miller]

What do we. We do do?

[Roger Clark]

What do we. They were.

[Greg Miller]

They talk about being.

[Roger Clark]

Take. Talk about being ahead of their time. Like they were doing those Transformers games and they were fire. Like they even, even listen. I loved as a kid the Transformers Michael Bay video game that they did. I don't know if that you're talking.

[Greg Miller]

About the high moon ones that were.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, that's the. That's the real ones. But also, you know, that one was pretty sick as well.

[Greg Miller]

I hear you on that one over in the super chats. J. Dublin super chats and says, I love Mass Effect. So Exodus has my attention since its announcement. However, the recent game trailer makes me worried. The game is just Mass Effect. Andromeda. That's another thing where it sounds like kind of well worn territory of where we're going and where we've been before. So. But again, even Andromeda, was it bad? No, it was a fine game. I mean it was broken a bit, but as in everything at launch, it just wasn't Mass Effect 1, 2 or 3. Yeah. And that was the problem. That's why I think it. I went back to it, right? I played it. I remember during COVID Lucy walked down and go, are you playing Mass Effects? Fucking Andromeda, right? And I'm like, I needed. I needed something.

[Roger Clark]

We all had our things during.

[Greg Miller]

But it was the normal thing where it's like, I played 10, 12 hours of it. And I was never connected. And I bounced and never came back. Nor did I feel I got to go finish that. Yeah, boring to go to a new galaxy, have all the same people.

[Roger Clark]

But, you know, I gotta play Mass Effect 1.

[Greg Miller]

You still play Mass Effect?

[Jack Patillo]

No.

[Greg Miller]

Any of them? No, I didn't jump right to two. That's what I did.

[Roger Clark]

Really?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. So.

[Roger Clark]

Because I started one in the Legendary collection and I was like, back in.

[Greg Miller]

The day, the story goes that, yeah, when I was at IGN and Mass Effect 1 dropped, jumped in and it was a little. And this is. I'm a different gamer now, but I remember being a little too clunky all around, both on RPG and action mechanics and da, da, da. And then I, you know, I'm not at the time, I'm better now, but even back then I was definitely, I hate space guy. So it was like dropping in all this lore about what they were trying to do. And I was like, I'm not a vibing with this. Mass Effect 2 is, hey, we are going off on a suicide mission. We need to make the team to do this to save X, Y and Z. And it's like you can just, you could, you could obviously have way more context you could go through and do this. But you know, the PlayStation version of Mass Effect 2 eventually added in that, hey, you read a comic and make the choices there to do and it's like you could just read a synopsis and understand, okay, this is what I did with the Genophage or whatever and blah blah, and be into it and go from it and like, yeah, Mass Effect 2 is awesome in this in line here as we continue to talk about this Exodus game. Why, uh, am I putting so many uh, in there while I talk about it? Uh, s'. Mores. Well, I got they super chatted, but I got an expanded to s' mores and Oreos. I should have known that. Super chats and says owlcats Expanse game will be the better game, imo. Of course, this one is a trailer we'd watched back in the day that we like so much. Tim and I bought the first book in the Expanse series. I read a whole chapter. Tim only read like two pages, but whatever. If you don't remember, the Expanse Osiris Reborn is coming from owlcat Games. The Expanse Osiris Reborn is a third person action RPG set in the Expanse universe. You are no hero, just a merc caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, trying to hold your crew together and keep the ship up and running your choices will shape the story. And again, you watch this, granted, it's from an ip, not an IP I know anything about. I mean, I've heard of the Expanse, obviously, but I jump in here and I watch this and I immediately go, wow, there's. There's something there. And I know this. We're in a cinematic right now. Whatever. But, like, even their Steam description, way better than the one I just read you, right? Jumping in here and seeing the camaraderie and what's going on in the world, like, I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[Roger Clark]

Because it gets to the core of it, right? It gets that you're not a hero, you're an anti hero.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, perfect.

[Roger Clark]

I'm in, right?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Mark in the wrong place at the wrong time. Doing some cool action here. And again, I know this isn't gameplay, so we're cheating a little bit, but it's like, this is a way better impression of like, what I want. Would I be stoked to go do this? Mr. Hawk says, Holy fuck. I didn't know these were two different games.

[Roger Clark]

Wasn't there an Expanse Telltale game? Right. That's also separate.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that was the thing where we were like, I don't understand.

[Roger Clark]

There's a book franchise and it has.

[Greg Miller]

There's a show.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah. Kevin really loved the show.

[Roger Clark]

Gotcha.

[Mike Mahardy]

Apparently, it's really good.

[Greg Miller]

Well, I mean, Kevin says it really good. You know what I mean?

[Mike Mahardy]

Means it's probably pretty good.

[Greg Miller]

You know, Kevin's got pretty good things, I guess, in shows and TV clothes, not so much.

[Roger Clark]

The brim was that.

[Greg Miller]

He was thinking more of the fact he just dresses like me. So it's like, I'm going to stop myself. But yeah, sure. But then they were dressed exactly the same too.

[Mike Mahardy]

Hey, you know what? He tried to bring capes back before capes were a thing. So maybe he's just ahead of its time.

[Greg Miller]

I don't remember the kids cape thing.

[Mike Mahardy]

What is this? This is like when I started back in like 2019.

[Roger Clark]

I feel like the cape would have been a big deal.

[Greg Miller]

I really. And I would have been there. I would have been down talking about this game. I would be a cap thing. I. There's so many different seasons of Kevin, but I want you to know we are in. Granted, we've been here for a little bit. We're in my favorite where we have short hair. Kev. Beard. Kev. And he's wearing like a nice crew neck. That's my Kev.

[Roger Clark]

That's where you want.

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean?

[Mike Mahardy]

Like, short on the sides. A nice length.

[Greg Miller]

Yes. He looks great right now. Kevin really rock.

[Roger Clark]

You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Otherwise, though, you know, the Kevin before this, not my. Not my favorite.

[Roger Clark]

The long hair.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Jack Patillo]

You know, like the long hair.

[Roger Clark]

No.

[Greg Miller]

Why? I don't know. I'm just not alone.

[Roger Clark]

He just looks majestic.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, okay. Well, yeah, but then he's always got it. It was also tied up a lot. And then coming out of a hat.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Like, I don't like. I mean, for the record, I. Well, that's not true. I guess I was gonna say, I don't even like Silent Bob with long hair. You know what I mean? But I do. It's. I don't like Kevin Smith when he has to wear the wig.

[Roger Clark]

You want the natural, and that's natural for Cat 7.

[Greg Miller]

It is, but it doesn't work. Maybe if he wore a different hat. Maybe it is when he's wearing brim. Yeah. Yeah. A brim hat. That's really what it's going to be. Cole's here, everybody, and I'll let you know. Anxiety high on this one. As I've said all week long, he's becoming a great work dog.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And this is. This was the test this week. You've heard it on Greg way of like, all right, cool. We won't bag you. You won't be locked up. You can wander around, but every other day he hasn't wandered. Today, he is feeling himself.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

He is wandering. Jack Patillo came in the office, started barking at him because he's like, this is my house.

[Jacqueline Coley]

House.

[Greg Miller]

But more importantly, we were late getting here because of traffic, and he didn't pee outside. Now, now, Cole, usually really good at peeing, but, like, you know where. I'm just worried about it. You know what I mean?

[Roger Clark]

So if you slip, you know what's happening.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly. Nothing. Like crawling through all the wires.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

What is he doing back there? Cole, come here. There's no reason to be there. What are you doing?

[Mike Mahardy]

Oh, my God.

[Roger Clark]

He's stuck.

[Greg Miller]

He's. Come here.

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[Greg Miller]

You're not gonna do that. Come over here. Now, he's gonna do my favorite thing where I reach down and get him, but he stops about three inches short, and he won't come. Come closer. Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Roger Clark]

He did it. There he is.

[Greg Miller]

There you go.

[Roger Clark]

That's cool, everybody. I like this dog, guys.

[Greg Miller]

I know. That meant a lot to me today. See?

[Jack Patillo]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

No, because I'm, like, such a cat person that dogs scare me inherently.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

But, like, this Dog.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

This dog's like a cat. Yeah, I can deal.

[Greg Miller]

That's the best part about wiener dog. One of the best parts. There's cats.

[Roger Clark]

You know, I like that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. You know. You know, this is a good era for him. I'm glad we finally broke him of the complete fear of the office. The fear of this room in general too, where I'd have to, you know, he's big. Soon we get a dog bed. We can leave it on the set on the desk. You can just be there, right here. Then we start selling the coal toys again. We're back in Disney.

[Roger Clark]

We're so back.

[Greg Miller]

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[Greg Miller]

Red Hudson 8 super chats and says Roger and Snow. Mike. Mike. Mass Effect Marathon Stream Stream.

[Roger Clark]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Greg Miller]

Do all three of them back to back.

[Roger Clark]

We're just locked in the room. We do a horrible run like in Baldur's Gate 3.

[Mike Mahardy]

And then also you have to dress Mike up as like one of the. One of the alien guys.

[Roger Clark]

We are the sexy aliens.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

Hell yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Number three. Todd Howard says Fallout 5 will be existing in a world where the stories and events of the show happened or are happening. This is Rich stanton over at PC Gamer. The first episode of Fallout Season 2 is out today. An interjection from Greg. Remember, we reviewed it yesterday. Me and Bless on the Gamescast. Go check it out. First half, spoiler free. Second half, spoilers on. Whoa. With the show releasing weekly episodes until early February as part of the show's marketing, various grandees have been doing the interview rounds, including Todd Howard, who's now served up the merest sliver of information about the show, how the show will tie into future games in the series. Howard is asked whether the show will have an impact on Fallout 5. Quote in short, yes, Fallout 5 will be existing in a world where the stories and events of the show happened or are happening. We are taking that into account. As for the show's impact on the games and attracting new players, Our man says there's. That's funny. Our man. Our man Todd. Our man Todd says they're past that stage now. Quote there's still so many people that won't play a game, says Howard. I think that's getting better. But there's still people who are intimidated. They'll get. They'll still get to experience Fallout. Think that's really important because they're now equal fans of the world.

[Roger Clark]

I like that.

[Greg Miller]

Me too.

[Roger Clark]

Equal fans of the world.

[Greg Miller]

I think it's still a huge missed opportunity not to have a brand new Fallout game out right now or a remaster of New Vegas, which is just. I can't. What are you doing?

[Roger Clark]

Xbox. They had to have been trying to make.

[Greg Miller]

What are you doing? You know what I mean? You saw the success of season one. Like.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Or wrong. The addition of the Ghoul, the 76 and Burning Shores. That's a great, great Burning Springs. That's. You know, I would have talked to him. We're too close to horizon here. Another wildly successful dlc. Everybody talks about Burning Shores, Burning Springs. Burning Springs is a great addition to 76, but it's like, 76 is such a different thing than, hey, here is a Fallout start to finish. There's a story. Let's play that.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, absolutely. I, first of all, again, going back to that, I love just saying that they're equal fans of the world because, like, my mom who watches Last of Us, I feel the same way about her. And. And me, when I played Last of Us, the video game, right? Like, that's such a cool, like, bridging of gaps. Like, being able to talk to, you know, family members about Fallout Lore is like. It's just. It's so cool now. And, like, we're kind of living in the best timeline when it comes to that 100. When it comes to Fallout 5, it's like, I love having the conversation of, like, how far are they into making this game? Right? Like, are. Are they doing the thing where we're finally doing two teams at the same time? Like, they. In my mind, they have to be doing that, right? They have to look at what Fallout has done and like the show, rather. And be like, guys, we promised, you know, Skyrim 2 Elders, Elders World 6. 6, 6, 6. Yeah. Elder Scrolls 6. And then now, you know, we have Fallout. We can't. We can't be staggering these releases. We have to kind of put them out within the few years in between. I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

That was the joke somebody went through on the chat over there, talking about the fact that by the time Fallout 5 comes out, it'll be season nine.

[Roger Clark]

The show will be ending.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that actually does happen somewhere in there. And so, yeah, that is the big, you know what. And then you get into the whole thing of, you know, well, what is the best case scenario here where it is, you got purchased by Xbox and Microsoft, so now do you want to be in the Fallout minds where they're making you do it, or they're going to a different team and giving them the IP or whatever? Are you pissing off the Bethesda people that are doing the thing? And Todd's still. It's like. But then again, I think we'd all agree that new. And this is somebody who loves Bethesda games. New eyes, new ideas being put into what a Fallout game is would be exciting and cool, rather than just, hey, we're iterating on what we've done, and we're going to iterate over these many Decade to get there.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, I think it is. It's interesting Pickle where it's like, you could Absolutely. New Vegas this. You can absolutely give it to another team. You can give it to Obsidian. You can, you can. I mean, the. What was it? The follow creator came back to Obsidian recently. It's like, that would be really.

[Greg Miller]

You can't predict what he's working on.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, you can't predict what he's working on. So, like, that would be kind of a layup right there. But also, I do think that there is a little bit. I wouldn't be surprised. There's a little bit of internal. Like, oh, man. Like, we made four, we got to make five before somebody else gets in there and tries to make another Fallout game.

[Greg Miller]

Fascinating question here, Barnell. Do we think Obsidian wants Fallout? They're doing a lot of original IP right now. I would. I mean, first off, there's hundreds of people who work at Obsidian, so it's impossible. I'm sure there's every opinion with any other. If I was at Obsidian, and I feel like coming from the outside talking about it, I would say, fuck, yes. Because what do you want? You want guaranteed jobs? Fallout. We're making a new Fallout is a guaranteed. We get to finish this game where I could easily see. See, they're working on a Vow 2 right now. But will a vow to make it not because it's about one is bad, but like, we are in an industry right now that is trying to figure out how to sustain itself. Microsoft is constantly trying to figure out how to. Or Xbox is trying to constantly figure out how to survive Microsoft. So it's like, if they were working on that, you have a better chance of getting a Fallout at the door than I think you do in Avowed or. I know they said they're not doing an Outer Worlds one right now, Outer Worlds three, or whatever, you know, toss it in there.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

My other big thing would be, is that. That I think, at least from a brand perspective, I don't know. Obsidian has to both have a chip on their shoulder, but also a lot of pride in the fact that so many people say New Vegas is the best Fallout game. And it didn't come from Bethesda. Bethesda's had three bites of the Apple, Obsidian had one. And people are like, that's the one. And so I really do think that if I was at Obsidian, it was like, let's fucking do it again. Let's not only do it again, let's do it quicker. Let's get Two out before they get Fallout five. You know what I mean?

[Roger Clark]

Like, okay, now. Now we're going to have a war. Let's actually be fine.

[Greg Miller]

But I mean, and I like, for me personally, and I've talked to Todd on camera about this before of like, I hate him sitting jokingly, he's like, of course. I think a rivalry in that space would be great to then get a fire under Bethesda's ass. To be like, man, look what they just did with New Vegas 2. We need that change. X, Y and Z. And obviously share tech, Share Engine is why New Vegas was able to come out so quickly, is that it was the same tech, it was the same engine, which limited it. Obviously. If you go back and read the interviews and listen to stuff about the development of New Vegas, where they were like, it was Game Maker's Notebook, right? The Dice or the AIAS podcast. I think Alexa talking. Maybe I'm. I might be conflating Alexa Ray Korea talking to the. Maybe. No, maybe it was Christopher drinks. I don't know. I listened to too many gaming podcasts. But there's a lot of great gaming podcasts. And there was one talking to the director of New Vegas at the time from Obsidian, who was like, one of the people wanted him to put what on? Oh, that companions can interrupt your conversations. And he was like, does that happen in Fallout 3? And they were like, no. And he's like, then we can't do that. Like, we're. We are getting this game out. We are just, you know, using everything they made already to make this game and get it out.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Which sounds bad, but actually was great because you got a game really quickly. So anyways, if I was Obsidian, yes, I want it back. Yes, I. I want to make a very successful game that is going to sell a gajillion copies and people are going to go, they've done it again. Because again, Outer Worlds 2 does so many great RPG things that I'd love to see in a follow.

[Roger Clark]

And I think Obsidian is in a great place right now where they have so many different franchises that they can always go back to. We have a vow, we have Outer worlds. We have, of course, Grounded with Pillars of Eternity. Right. We have all of these franchises that they've built out that we're at this point where they're not going to become, in lack of a better term, but, like, insomniac. Right. Like, they're not going to be able to just go down this rabbit hole of we're only doing Fallout forever now. Where they have. Hey, people are playing grounded people. Enough people played Outer Worlds and avowed to make sequels, to make DLC and to continue down that route where, of course, Fallout's going to be the biggest hit that they've had in a while, if that they actually make that. But they're not going to be doomed to that, you know, future. And also, by the way, what a blessing that is to be doomed to the future of.

[Greg Miller]

I want to make great open world rpg.

[Roger Clark]

I don't want to work on the coolest franchise.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. You know, I mean, like, damn it. And I. There would be people who are there, don't get me wrong. Of course. But I would also lean in if I was there. If I'm at Obsidian, I'm like. But guys, like, we are like, Bethesda is Fallout prime and Elder Scrolls. We get to be New Vegas and avowed. Like, we can do what we want in these sandboxes and have them be different than that and play with.

[Roger Clark]

And they have enough goodwill within and with the structure and the way that they're able to make games fast and seemingly for not too much money, that they're able to make a pentiment.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Roger Clark]

They're able to make these smaller games. So if they are able to keep that ethos and then throw in a Fallout here and there. There, like, yeah, that's awesome. That would be perfect.

[Greg Miller]

The chat did go by. I think it was Cory Cudney who said it was Josh Sawyer on the Game Makers podcast with Alexa Ray. Korea, of course. Go listen to that. AIAs. Of course. The folks who do Dice. That's coming up. Am I hosting again? Probably. Can I confirm it? Probably not, but, you know, I don't know. It's like my 10th year. I'm. But am I. I don't know. Anyways, give me more Fallout. I'm still fucking upset. We don't have a. You just did it with Oblivion. Great. It worked again. I would have Xbox. I would have just thrown money back at those people and said, please, fast track new Vegas. And if Todd's going to throw a bit, which he doesn't, to my knowledge. Todd always seems like a nice guy. Do Fallout 3, which I know the rumor has been they are doing it. Yada, yada, yada.

[Roger Clark]

Okay, let's think about the timeline. It's weekly, right? Fallout Season two.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your mouth to God's ears. Where are you going with this? Go for it.

[Roger Clark]

Okay. If we end it by what end of January? February.

[Greg Miller]

February. Is it February?

[Roger Clark]

Okay, that's pretty close to Xbox Direct. Direct.

[Greg Miller]

It could be the announcement of. Hey, yeah, you're enjoying it.

[Roger Clark]

The finale is next week. Here's Fallout 3 Remake or whatever it is. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And I will be happy. It should have been New Vegas. Yeah. But here's the thing. Let me counter argue myself and move on. New Vegas makes sense as the setting for the show. Fallout 3 makes sense because if I only watched the show, I want that experience of leaving a vault. Yes. And that's not what New Vegas is. Right. You are a character who's already been raised in the wasteland shot in the head. Yeah. Well, the spoilers for the opening. I know. It's a joke.

[Roger Clark]

What a good intro.

[Greg Miller]

Number four on the Roper Report. After Silent Hill F ditched Maine for Japan, Konami says it's considering taking the series to other regions. This is Jordan Gerblick at GamesRadar. And this is actually Games Radar plus, remember? Yes. In a new interview with inverse Silent Hill series producer Motor Toy Okamoto pondered aloud about moving future games to other parts of the world and exploring new cultures and local folklore. Quote we believe we could perhaps take similar approaches to Silent Hill F with other cultures across the globe, he said via the inverse translation. For example, in Central or South Africa, we could perhaps tap into the more local shamanastic nice beliefs and see how that ties in. But we could also try to expand our horizons and look into other regions, like possibly Rock, Russia, Italy or South Korea. Because all those areas have their own unique types of belief systems. I believe that will be a gateway for us to expand our concepts further. One big problem, according to Okamoto, is finding game developers in some of these regions that are established enough to be trusted with the Silent Hill franchise. Quote Central and South America do not have many, very many prominent development studios for video games capable of handing an IP like Silent Hill, he added. So while they have lots of interesting movies, books and tales, how we would translate that to games is something we suffer to explore and end quote Konami has yet to announce a new Silent Hill game.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, he answered my question right there. Of I like that their thought process is, hey, let's give it to a team that's local in these places. Right? That is. That is the way to go about this. Because Silent Hill F is so successful because it is made by a team in Japan about Japanese culture and that shows throughout the entirety of that game. So being able to be like, okay, we're going to do one in Russia, but none of us are from Russia and we're going to talk to a Russian guy. But, like, I don't. It's not.

[Greg Miller]

That was my concern, too. When they're like, maybe we go to Central or South America. American is like, yeah, are you. That's just like, are you gonna do it? I mean, yeah, I'm, like, not even bringing in, like, appropriation or whatever. It's more like, can you nail what that culture is? Anybody? I can read south of Midnight, right? Like, that. Their whole team, of course, is up in Montreal. Right. Wasn't that. Yeah, they're in Montreal. Compulsion Games. Montreal or France? I can't remember. Somebody correct me that you're wrong.

[Mike Mahardy]

Canada, I believe.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, right. Canada. So it must have been Montreal Compulsion. But, like, they went down there and did so much research and hung out so long and brought in local voices and brought in consultants and, like, yeah, that's a lift. And I. That lift is far easier to get you from the southern. South America, the southern part of America, all the way up to Canada versus, hey, we're gonna do something in South America, and we're going to be over in Japan. Right.

[Roger Clark]

But then also the other side of it is, you know, Sucker Punch. Doing it with Yote and.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, you know, not impossible by any.

[Roger Clark]

Which is, on paper, sounds impossible. And then you're like, holy, you guys absolutely nailed it with a lot of people that you're bringing in to. To make sure that you're getting this right. Right. Yeah. It's such a local and very specific thing, especially with how Silent Hill is not, you know, a franchise where it's like, oh, we're just going to put fog in, you know, Peru. Right. Like, that's not how this is going to work. It's a lot deeper than that. It's about actually dealing with the culture around it. So, yeah, I would love to see it in. In South America. I think that'd be awesome. This is. This is a really exciting way to go about it.

[Greg Miller]

You love death, you love sound Hill.

[Roger Clark]

F. Oh, yeah. I thought you said death.

[Greg Miller]

You love death.

[Roger Clark]

I do love.

[Greg Miller]

Sometimes I'll walk outside, Roger, smoking a cigarette, staring at roadkill just like, this.

[Roger Clark]

Is gonna be me. That's why I keep on smoking.

[Greg Miller]

Number five on the Roper Report, the Last Caretaker delivers on its roadmap with update 0.1. Last humans. We have a press release, but more importantly, we have coming to the stage, the one, the only, Jack Patillo. Hello, Jack. How are you?

[Jack Patillo]

I got a puff.

[Greg Miller]

Short puff. A short puff. Oh, you brought props.

[Jack Patillo]

I brought. I brought props. There you go. This is for you. Throw on your scarf. Your caretaking scarf. Look how tall I am. I'll do the. The. The wide stance, squat to get in frame here.

[Greg Miller]

We can go to the gym. You'll be fine. First off, what's going on with you? All right.

[Jack Patillo]

What's going on with me?

[Greg Miller]

Too good. What's the. What's the workout? Right.

[Jack Patillo]

I got my fifth marathon I'm doing in January.

[Greg Miller]

I won't be doing that. I thought it would be easy. Thought you'd be doing the. What is the drug you take? You know what I mean? I'll do that.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, that's the one. Give me that.

[Jack Patillo]

But, yeah, doing that. And yeah, life's. Life's been good, you know, just running around, trying to keep busy. Been working with, you know, channel 37 now for over a year as community manager. I came back here in March and our game broke. I think that the build we had, we had issues with it, but now the game came out about A month ago, November 6, we launched our first update. Hit this week on Tuesday.

[Roger Clark]

Yay.

[Jack Patillo]

First major update. As of today, we are on the Steam winter sale. So you get 15% off if you want to pick up the last character Caretaker. Lots of new additional stuff going on right now. We got cash in the game now. You can pick that up, new locations, all sorts of good, great stuff. Of course, the game is going spectacular. Our community is wonderful. Over 10,000 members in our Discord server.

[Greg Miller]

Hell yeah.

[Jack Patillo]

That's nuts. I remember starting that thing with like 20 of us and so. But yeah, the game's going. It's going great. It's been so much fun working on it. We added a new forklift into the game now, so that's very exciting.

[Greg Miller]

Any.

[Jack Patillo]

Anytime you can add, you know, drivable vehicles, you're having a great time.

[Greg Miller]

So if you don't know. According to the Steam description, as I always read, the Last Caretaker is a thoughtful take on the survival crafting genre, where every decision you make and every action has its consequence. It offers a deep world exploration experience where step by step you uncover the truth behind the reawakening of the Last Caretaker. It's a good one. Thank you. Thank you.

[Jack Patillo]

Yeah, I'm happy with it. You get to play a robot going throughout the game trying to figure out what the heck is going on. And yeah, if you like games, games like, like Wrath, like Subnautica, satisfactory. This is going to scratch that itch. Like when I came on, I was streaming a lot of games like that and Ansi, who's our creative director. I knew him from the Red Links days. He used to do all the trials games. So him and I were buddies. He's like, hey, I'm working on this new game. I think you might like it. He showed me some stuff. I'm like, holy crap. And then he was like, do you want to be our community manager because we're self publishing. And I was like, sure, why not? Shut down. And so it was like, hey, yeah, absolutely. I'll jump in and try this out. And it's been going. Really?

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I was gonna say, how have you liked it?

[Jack Patillo]

I've liked it a lot, man. So, like, my. My role, I mean, as we've gotten bigger and bigger, my role kind of has evolved into more of a content creation side of things.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Jack Patillo]

So I'm putting out anytime you see, like, shorts or YouTube clips. I'm on Twitch all the time. Like, once a week I stream the game on Twitch and just kind of hang out in the Discord server as well. Like, we have. We have someone. We have this guy T. Hill, who's running our Discord now. It's great. We have John doing our social media. And so now I'm focused on the actual creation of stuff. And it's. It's cool. Like, you know, and, man, you know, content creation, though, it's like, hey, you know, every now and then a video will explode and, like, goes viral. And then, you know, my boss is like, how do you do it again, first of all. And so. But no, it's been absolutely, absolutely wonderful. And it's just great. And like, watching the game, I mean, like, stuff that has been happening in the game has been great. Like, for example, Josh from Let's Game it out covered it, which was wonderful for me. I'm a huge let's Game it out fan. And so, like, one morning it was just popped up in subscriptions, like, oh, let's Game it Out. The Last Caretaker. I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Greg Miller]

Oh my gosh, we did it.

[Jack Patillo]

And so, yeah, it's. It's been so cool to see it kind of pick up and run with it. And I really, really love watching the community do stuff. And, like, our Discord server is full of great people. Like, it's constantly going, people sharing strategies. And when the update hit this week, they were like, okay, what's new? And, like, people are spreading out and looking for mysteries. And it's. It's been awesome. So again, this is update one. We are in early access. The game right now is on sale 15% off. Over in the Steam winter sale, we're also in the Epic Games store as well and we are looking to launch on consoles when we hit full release. When we hit gold, which is going to be next year. That's the target is next year.

[Greg Miller]

Got it.

[Jack Patillo]

And so that's gonna be PS5, Xbox Series X Switch 2. And so yeah, Jack, I have a.

[Mike Mahardy]

I have a question.

[Greg Miller]

Go for Courtney from Kind of Fun.

[Jack Patillo]

I like his scarf.

[Mike Mahardy]

Oh yes, thank you. I came prepared today, you know, as a fellow, fellow trial sicko. Is there any plans of maybe you know, adding like, like a mode where you know, just you, your robot guy just happens to find a motorcycle that he has to figure out kind of physics, physics based puzzle solutions to, you know, just, just throwing that out there.

[Jack Patillo]

Maybe as well the motorcycle not so much. But there is, so there is the, the forklift now and physics are a huge part of the game. So if you know anything about the trials games, you know, physics are wildly important and in this game you can dump stuff all over the place. You can build stat like you know, stacks of things. You can make ladders out of pretty much anything you want. And there's lots of opportunities to play around with physics. We have cables. Cable usage in the game is good where you have to run like electric cables, gas cables, oxygen, water, all these different cables.

[Greg Miller]

People love cables.

[Jack Patillo]

Oh yeah, people love cables. And yeah, seeing people stretch those all over the place and very quickly people figured out you could attach things to like ceilings. So in, in, let's game it out. He attached wind turbines to like the front of the ship and it was just covered in wind turbines and was like cool. I guess so yeah, let's try that. Why not? And the cool thing is the developers are very, we're like, we're actively listening to the community. So the community's like, I wish we had this. There's chances that we can do that. We're a small team, we're less than 10 people. And so when people are like I wish we could do this and they game, we absolutely look into that and I share all that information back with the team. So for me again like I'm someone who, you know, I play a lot of survival crafting games and so I'm like, I have all these chests that I'm like, this was my iron one, this is my copper one. I'm like, I want a button that I can just hit a button and it just all sends to the right ones. They're like, oh yeah, we can do that.

[Roger Clark]

Oh that's sick.

[Jack Patillo]

All right. And so we're working on that kind of stuff is the quality of life. Things that like, we're very, very aware of and we want to make sure that people are happy with it. So.

[Greg Miller]

Hell yeah, Jack.

[Jack Patillo]

Yeah, man. But it's, it's been fun, dude. It's. It's weird being on the other side of the video game industry, you know, and so I think I'm going to be playing it later today, right?

[Greg Miller]

You are? Yeah, Mike. And you are going to play it to close out our streaming day. I'm very excited. They'll get in the weeds of it, of course.

[Jack Patillo]

Yeah. I'll fly around, I'll show you some developer stuff that I'm not supposed to show on stream.

[Greg Miller]

I like that a lot. Yeah. If you're listening later, of course you go to YouTube.com kind of funny games to catch that. If you're going to watch live Twitch, of course, and YouTube, they'll both be up there where Jack will be running through it. Animotion 1000 super chats and says, oh, shit. Achievement Hunter, man. Congrats on making a game.

[Jack Patillo]

Thank you very much.

[Greg Miller]

I appreciate it.

[Jack Patillo]

Appreciate that.

[Greg Miller]

Thank you for coming all the way for this.

[Jack Patillo]

Absolutely. Thank you for having me. I'll let you finish up your stream and I'll see you guys this afternoon.

[Greg Miller]

Love you, Jack. Round of applause for Jack, everybody. Back home, Jack said, you know, last time he was here, the game broke. He was talking, of course, about the one, the only, the Mix Cross Kind of Funny Games showcase, the spring game showcase. Happy to announce today we are doing the Mix Cross Kind of Funny spring game showcase once again and submissions are open. If you are a video game developer, an indie dev, or just maybe, I don't know, maybe you're Sega. I don't care. Kindafunny.com, you can go there, submit your game. You can also request your press pass, your indie pass. Because of course not only is there the online stream we do all day during gdc. There's always that rocking party afterwards. Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

Hell yeah. This is always my favorite time of the year. So I'm very excited to meet some cool devs and show off some cool games.

[Greg Miller]

That's kind of funny.com spring showcase number six on the Roper Roper report is required viewing. Barrett put this one into Slack this morning. It's why we're. Why we're boycotting Xbox. Parentheses and maybe you should too from make games on YouTube. The description on YouTube reads, Chris investigates the Palestinian led Xbox Boycott and how it's already secured a major victory against one of the largest corporations on the planet. Again, this is a video up on People make games on YouTube. Why we're boycotting Xbox and maybe you should too. I listened because I was driving, but watched some of it when I could at a red light over here on the way into work today. Got through the whole thing. Fantastic work.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

What a great job. What a great presentation. Selfishly, I've heard people make games before. Never caught it before. So I got here a media subscription. I rang the bell too, because this is some great reporting. Right. It's great journalism. It's great laying this out in a digestible way, talking to the parties involved, making it understand why this is an issue, what you can do in the varying scale of what you can do. I think when this originally came up, Tim and I talked on a show about it where it was like, what do you do and how do you get involved? And what about this and what about that and blah, blah, blah. And there's a great conversation with. And the first quarter of it, maybe it's the first 15 minutes of it, with the BDS boycott organizer that they have. And she has this great line in there where she's like, there is no BDS purity. This is about doing what you can when you can. I was like, oh, that is such a great way to put it. Because inevitably when anyone talks about something like this, we bring it up, somebody else brings it up. Well, what about why aren't you doing this and why aren't you doing that and what about this? And it's like, there isn't a scale to it. It's whatever you can do. And so, as you know, we continue to talk about video games and inform you at each and every day, while entertaining, hopefully about what's going on. It's also our job to bring this to you. Right. Complex issue in terms of what's going on and how they're boycotting, why they're boycotting. But they got this victory. Why is it still going? Great stuff here. Yeah.

[Roger Clark]

People Make Makes Game. People Make Games is one of the best YouTube channels out there if you love video games. They've done amazing investigative journalism on Roblox for, feels like years now. They're incredible. And this video is awesome. I'm right at the end of it. And yeah, it's it. I learned a lot from it. I only knew parts of it and I knew that. I knew that Microsoft, they were like, oh, we're cutting ties with Israel. So I was like, oh, it must be over. But hearing more about why it's not over was very enlightening to me.

[Greg Miller]

And you talked to the developers at Arkane Leone, of course, which is a Microsoft owned studio. They're making Blade. They have them talking about why they are still encouraging people not to buy their games and also what they're asking for with the clarity and a thorough review and then all that turned over to the public of what's actually so going on. Just awesome, awesome stuff. Zeke speaks super chats and says people make games and Quinn's Quest are all so good. So there you go, another one for you.

[Mike Mahardy]

Another one I recommend from People Makes games is the Rockstar video that they.

[Greg Miller]

Just put out a couple weeks ago. Put it on my list.

[Mike Mahardy]

So yeah, if, if you want to learn more about like, you know, with the people that were fired and like all that stuff and the perspective of the. The people who are trying to get that union started and their whole perspective, they have a great video on that as well.

[Greg Miller]

Roger. Me finding all by myself, people make games. Yep. I just discovered. I subscribed and I noticed after I subscribed it shot up crazy immediately. Anyway, me finding them, that's big news. If I wanted something smaller, say the tiniest news I need to know about, where would I go?

[Roger Clark]

You'd go to our last story, the Wii News channel where we cover all the small news items you need to know about.

[Jack Patillo]

Perfect.

[Greg Miller]

Number seven, the Wii News from Netflix on Twitter. FIFA is changing the game. Get ready for a newly reimagined FIFA football simulation game developed by Delphi Entertainment. Sorry. Interactive exclusively on Netflix Games this summer. Just in time for FIFA World Cup 2026.

[Jacqueline Coley]

Sure.

[Greg Miller]

Did you ever try? Did anybody here. I didn't. Did anybody try? Wwe?

[Roger Clark]

I know I've seen videos on it. Looks pretty good.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Looks like it runs well.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

The division game on Twitter tweets agents. The division is now available on PlayStation 5 with enhanced performance at 60 frames per second. This update brings smoother gameplay and to the snow covered streets of New York where it all began.

[Roger Clark]

This shit was not at 60fps before.

[Greg Miller]

Well, remember this is the Division period. Division 2 already got years ago, got his PS5 patch. Rather than fucking make a new goddamn division, they went back and did this. Congrats to you. Massive. Thank you. Massive. Make Division three.

[Roger Clark]

Well, it's good that you're updating it. Everything should be 60fps.

[Greg Miller]

Arc 2 is planned to release in 20 with a first taste in a major update for Ark survival. Ascended near the end of 2027.

[Roger Clark]

That's not a real number.

[Greg Miller]

From Gamatsu Moon Studios will release the Together Cooperative Play update for the early access version of the action RPG no Rest for the Wicked on January 22, 2026. The developer announced an open beta test is available now until December 22nd. We're very excited about that. Very excited about that. No Rest for the Wicked. A game we all love here, me and Andy at least it me over.

[Roger Clark]

In Fantasy Critic, but I'll let it pass.

[Greg Miller]

J Dublin says. Greg, Division 3 is getting made. It was announced. I don't mean I want a line item in a blog report where Ubisoft's trying to bump up their stocks. Show me a trailer and give me a 2030 release.

[Roger Clark]

Welcome to my life as a Splinter Cell fan.

[Greg Miller]

They said it's getting made. It's got to be getting made. Yeah, it's got to the gong. I pre ordered fair games today. It's gonna be coming out any day now. Wake up, sheeple. I love you.

[Roger Clark]

Open your third eye.

[Greg Miller]

Steve's winter sale has started, by the way, from Noble. Oh man. Absolum. Right? Absolum. Absolum. Got it. Version 1.1 launches in January 2026. It has new challenges. Customize your own challenge. An evolving world, upgraded mounts and new skins. And emotes. World War Z Cross. The Walking Dead crossover DLC launches in January 2020 26.

[Jack Patillo]

Wow.

[Greg Miller]

That's still happening.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, all of that. All that is still happening, which is crazy.

[Greg Miller]

From VGC, Nintendo has won its 15 year long legal battle against Big Ben Nacon over Wii Remote patent infringement.

[Roger Clark]

Congratulations.

[Greg Miller]

Finally man. Sony ends their lawsuit. Nintendo ends there as well. Horses. Of course. The game that was banned from Steam and Epic Game store has sold 18,000 copies. Rep Valentine over at IGN had an article about this I saw saying basically they were able to pay back their debts. There was a whole thing when they got delisted instead of like, we're gonna go out of business because of this. But that press about how horrific this game was. It wasn't that bad. I played it, I beat it. A Mortal Kombat inspired indie action game, Obey the Insect God has been announced. Can we see the gameplay here? I have heard us talking about. Oh, oh, Jesus. So yeah, it looks like old school arcade, Mortal Kombat. But you're the guy running around. Like rather than just fight, you're running around, you're doing all sorts of stuff.

[Roger Clark]

That's hilarious.

[Greg Miller]

Step foot into the lair of the Insect God if you dare. Face brutal Enemies in pulse pounding combat with digitized sprites that harken back to your favorite controversial fighting game from the 90s. Your mom, your mom's hairdresser's kid was let you play. The castle awaits.

[Roger Clark]

That's great.

[Greg Miller]

That's fun.

[Roger Clark]

That's fun.

[Greg Miller]

I hope it's good.

[Roger Clark]

That's silly.

[Greg Miller]

It looks goofy. Yeah, in a good way. I like that. And that's it. So small for Wii News we turn our lonely eyes to the one, the only. The kind of funny super chats where so many people have written in. Thank you very much. Let's get through the ones here. Mike Michael Sosby Sterling says it's kind of funny able to share the official votes that the company submitted for the game awards as an official voting party and how the company's votes compared to the winners. I believe or not, I forget. Like there's a bunch of stuff that I don't worry about because it's not content related on what we're allowed to and supposed to do to, you know, keep the sanctity of the game awards voting. But of course you will see our top tens in our in the new year and you'll see Our overall top 10 as a company and then we will talk about it for hours and then and we're about to do a game of the year thing so you'll be able to net out pretty quick where it went that way. But I believe we like to keep the game ward stuff separate from all that Kebabs writes in and says in what ways are Cole and Porty different? What a great question, Kebabs. Maybe I tossed it. Maybe that's today's Greg.

[Roger Clark]

That's a great Greg way.

[Greg Miller]

That's a great Greg way, Kebabs.

[Roger Clark]

Good job, Kebabs.

[Greg Miller]

Good job. Good job, Kebabs. Because there's many ways I'm tossing this into slack because I'll forget it.

[Roger Clark]

You want me to slack into.

[Greg Miller]

No, I got it. I mean I hide myself. I have my own channel to my myself under starred and I just go in here, delete that. That was a message I sent to Paris.

[Roger Clark]

Just talk to yourself because you're lonely. You're like, hey man, how you doing?

[Greg Miller]

I'm never lonely.

[Roger Clark]

You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

You people won't leave me alone. Violet's archives became a member and we missed this back in the day. Said, yeah, focus on Starfield you should. And I fucking for the record, everybody, what's the point of all this?

[Roger Clark]

Oh shit.

[Greg Miller]

What's the point of the Gamescast of games Daily if not to go viral and be the biggest thing in the world. For weeks I've been saying I saw Starfield stuff for next year behind closed doors and that's all I can say about it. Nobody's picked it up. Then all of a sudden fucking Paris farts about it. Fucking Gene park says something. Then people are coming out of the woodworking like, I saw something and I can't tell you about. I've been saying it forever. Where's my fucking no sodium Starfield Reddit post. Thank you.

[Roger Clark]

I didn't even know about this. I should listen to our content.

[Greg Miller]

No, you don't care about Starfield, so it's not really good.

[Mike Mahardy]

Yeah, I only heard about it when Paris talked about it.

[Greg Miller]

J Dublin says with creation engine performance complaints in Starfield could the reason things are taking so long and he's talking about obviously Fallout, but I think talk Elder Scrolls in there because they're doing more engine updates. Y', all, y', all. Bethesda needs to get to Unreal as fast as fucking possible, you know, I mean like whenever he's like, oh man, Starfield. Mike's like, it's got to be Game of the Generation. I'm like, have you played a Bethesda game? There's no way a modern Bethesda game with the engine that use is going to fucking be Game of the Generation. And I don't. I mean, yeah, that could be. That could be. But again, think of it this way. What I just gave you the story of Obsidian where they're like, y', all, we can't do anything. This engine can't do Bethesda. It's taken decades to make games like y', all, the engine does what it does, like blowing it up. And like, well, we're gonna make drastic updates. I don't know. I hope, I hope. DJ Kento says, thinking about it now, Obsidian can put out games that sell worse, but I think their reputation is stronger than Bethesda's right now. If they were given Fallout back, people would be happy. Yeah, I agree across the board on that.

[Roger Clark]

Absolutely.

[Greg Miller]

Mr. I'm sorry. No, no, I was like Mr. Straight Fire super chats and says, how do you think feel about. How do you feel about single developers with no graphic skills using generative AI? A year ago I spent $250 for a fiverr artist to create animate a character. Today Google VO did the same. Even better animation in 2 minutes. I think that's generative AI again is scraping what other people have done as You've heard throughout all our conversations and the Internet conversations. As it stands, generative AI is a plagiarism machine. So it didn't do it better than a human. It did it the same way a bunch of humans would have done it. Yeah. So no.

[Mike Mahardy]

And then you also took a job.

[Roger Clark]

Away from someone, but. And also you're cheating yourself genuinely as a single game developer from learning a skill. Right. Like I've been in the background trying to learn game development. It's fucking hard, right? Like I do not have the skills to code, I do not have the skills for art. And trying to build that up is going to take years and years and years. And that's okay, that's good, that's good for my brain, that's good for the long term outcome, which is making things that I want to do creates it. So if you're saying oh well, I could just type it in and it farts it out, it's like cool. I understand that from like a pure like you know, time management space. But you're not actually learning anything as a developer. And the core of video game development should not be just fart game out make money. It should be trying to build something that you feel comfortable and excited about and trying to learn skills 100%.

[Greg Miller]

DJ Kento said, did you all see Love, Death and Robots Puerto Rican short Jim Borrow Anybody? Anybody? It was one of the Spider Verse artists. A silent Hill game in that a silent Hill game like that short would be peak. Put that into my veins. Everybody go look for that. OMG Burger. Om. Gerber says setting my birthday tax and just want to say thanks for all the stellar content entertainment this year. Happy birthday. OMG. Oh, here we go. Mr. Straight fires back. But this isn't even responding to us yet. By the way, I'm not a dev. I mess with Unity for two months making a game for my kid. I I still. There's a discussion to be had about generative AI removing financial barriers.

[Roger Clark]

You could still, you know, learn pixel art. You can do something very basic. Does your kid need to have some type of like, you know, 3D animated thing? Like, I don't know, like just does not feel like it's something that you need to do.

[Mike Mahardy]

And also as a. Are you saying financial barrier? But in reality, deep down you might know it's more so of like a time thing. And if it's a time thing that you're more concerned about, it's like if you're not willing to commit yourself to that time of learning these skills Like Roger was saying, like, is this something you actually really want to do and be creative with?

[Roger Clark]

Also really quick, like, when it comes to if you don't have the skills for art, there is a lot of great pack packs of arts artists who have created packs for game development that are out there that you can give them money, 20, 30, 50 bucks. And it has hundreds of assets right there that you can use for your own personal projects. So. And they want you to use that that's made by humans out there. So there's alternatives than just typing in something into Gen AI that you can support artists out there that you don't need to kind of work through.

[Greg Miller]

Fiverr.

[Mike Mahardy]

Also, Chris says something great in the chat, Play Dreams. There's a game called Dreams where you can also just do all this stuff as well that like kind of teaches you a lot of things. And you can make your own little game for your child in a game that you can pay for and you know, not use AI.

[Greg Miller]

Nerd901 Nick super chat says Raj. I went to New York City for the first time. It was amazing. And I had a great bagel.

[Roger Clark]

Hell yeah. You get a bacon, egg and cheese. What's up?

[Greg Miller]

You just got a regular bagel.

[Roger Clark]

That's cool. You get a schmear.

[Greg Miller]

Tell me about it. Professor Cat 99 gets the final. Super Chat says, hey guys, my production team at Shrug Productions just won best actor for White Unger's performance in Over My Dead Body.

[Roger Clark]

Hey, congratulations.

[Greg Miller]

Now I just playing devil's advocate, did you think about replacing him with Generative AI?

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, that's a great.

[Greg Miller]

You know what I mean? You could have his hawking Peanut in there doing the thing.

[Roger Clark]

Peanut.

[Greg Miller]

If I was gonna do a show, I'd do it talking peanuts. They seem hot right now.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, okay.

[Roger Clark]

I like that.

[Greg Miller]

Everybody missed it. You remember Baby Nut?

[Roger Clark]

Oh, I think about Baby Nut all the time. It was with Wesley Snipes, right? Wesley Snipes killed the Planters.

[Greg Miller]

Was he the one who killed him?

[Roger Clark]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I thought he drove off a cliff.

[Roger Clark]

Wesley Snipes.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Roger Clark]

Yeah, yeah. We forget about Wesley Snipes, what he played in the Death of the Planters penis.

[Greg Miller]

We go into super. I'm sorry your wrongs. Remember, if we get something wrong kindafunny.com your you're wrong. Tell us what we screw up as you screw it up. The user with Kojima Silent Hills writes in and says Roger said Silent Hill F was developed by a team based in Japan, but the developer, Neo Bars Entertainment, is actually based in Taiwan and China. Oh wow, there you go.

[Roger Clark]

My bad.

[Greg Miller]

And then Kebabs writes in and says breaking we news. Trombone Champ is getting official dlc adding songs from Undertale and deltarune. Remember Trombone Champ? I do remember that. That was a fun one. And that, ladies gentlemen and NBS is the end of Kinda Funny Games Daily. But the live programming is far from done here on Kind of Funny. We're going to roll into the games cast to give you our last updates on game of the year before we go to holiday break, play a bunch of games and come back and vote in our top 10. After that. Like I said, it's going to be in review. Avatar. God forbid they stop making those. Then me and Mike are racing in The Outer Worlds 2 in a sponsored 5 hour energy stream. And then after that, Jack Patillo plays the last caretaker with Michael Howard. But for now, this is the end of this show. Remember, Kinda Funny Games Daily is here each and every weekday to run you through the nerdy news you need to know about. Live Twitch TV. Kindafunnygames YouTube.com kindafunnygames Podcast services around the globe. Pick up the membership. Patreon, YouTube, Apple, Spotify. Keep the lights and mics on. But for now, no. Until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you.

[Roger Clark]

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[Roger Clark]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Greg Miller]

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