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Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Foreign. Yo, what's up? Welcome to Kind of Funny Games cast for Friday, June 27, 2025. I'm one of your hosts, Blessing Addie OA Jr. Joining me is Lacroix, Poppy, Tim, Muh, Bung, Yetis.
Tim Gettys
Oh, man. This weekend, Pokemon Go Fest.
Greg Miller
It's going to be also my parade, everybody. Don't forget everybody. It's going to be my parade. San Francisco, 10am Come hang out with me and Tim.
Tim Gettys
I'm hit. Level 50. Bless.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm very excited.
Tim Gettys
Officially tomorrow.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Very exciting.
Tim Gettys
Excellent. Throws away. I had to do 999. I am 10 away. It will happen at Greg's parade.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's of course there'll be a lot.
Greg Miller
Of people to celebrate you. That's a great consolation prize, you know.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. Because remember, bless. This is. Remind me everybody, you can buy the shirt. Of course. This, this means I get to wear my bomber jacket that I bought a year ago.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, are you wearing that tomorrow ago?
Tim Gettys
Well, I'm not.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I will wear it. Yeah.
Tim Gettys
When I get level 50. Because once I get a little 50, I unlock the jacket at the game. I'll put it on my avatar and then I will have Greg put it on my back.
Greg Miller
I like that. Nothing wrong with that plan.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Wow. Of course. That's WWE legend Greg Miller.
Greg Miller
Hello, Blessing, how are you?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm doing well. I do like seeing that belt is.
Greg Miller
I'm happy to have it. You know, I didn't want to. I didn't want to play it out before the parade. So I'm happy that here we are, parade tomorrow, 10am Biggest thing happening. Kind of funny this weekend. Very excited for it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It reminds me there's a few weeks ago where Randy Orton attacked John Cena and took the belt and then like pose with it and I like had them over. I like, man, that looks so good on Randy Orton. I'm having moment right now where I'm like, that belt does look good.
Greg Miller
It's meant to be with me. You know what I mean?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You have like a specific pose that you do. I feel like every wrestler has like a pose.
Greg Miller
Well, my favorite thing about the belt that we don't talk enough about is that it's broken in. I hate when you see the straps at a WWE event. Somebody bought the replica belt, but it's just out of the bag.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Greg Miller
And it just doesn't flop. This one has such a good. This has got like the stone cold movement to it that I love. Yeah, it's a great belt. I'm happy it's home.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Are you bringing it tomorrow.
Greg Miller
Of course I'm bringing it tomorrow. You know what I mean? Tomorrow. Just for tomorrow. Just from 10 to noon during the meet and greet slash parade. Right. This belt is more important than Ben. Okay. This is what I need to worry about and keep my eye on all the other dozens of Kind of Funny best friends. You keep your eye on Ben. I'm not. I'm not busy about that. This is what I got to worry about.
Tim Gettys
Thank you, Kevin. This is the jacket that I will be adorning my.
Greg Miller
Does it have those same patches on already?
Tim Gettys
It does.
Greg Miller
Awesome.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, that's.
Greg Miller
I mean that's a really cool thing.
Tim Gettys
Oh yeah, not as cool as this.
Greg Miller
But I mean the fact that Pokemon Go has that kind of like, hey, get in the game. When you get this thing, you buy it too. That's cool.
Tim Gettys
Pretty cool. They also know how to make money very well.
Greg Miller
Yes.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
100 remember, this is the Kind of Funny Games cast. Each and every weekday we get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games live on YouTube, Twitch and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the Kind of Funny membership on Patreon, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts to get all of our shows ad free. Watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show for a chance to be a part of the show. Some of your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go. Housekeeping for you. We're in 11 person business all about live talk shows. KFCD recapped Capcom's direct after this. Mike and Roger are embarking on the biggest stream Kind of Funny has ever done. They'll attempt to play the entirety of Death Training two while Mike goes step for step with Sam Porter Bridges on a treadmill with a couple of surprises that might change everything. With your support, they're determined to make it past KHD on Monday and of course order a lot of food. Exclusively on Twitch tv. Slash Kind of Funny games.
Tim Gettys
It's going to be insane.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh yeah.
Tim Gettys
Things that they have planned. I don't know everything but I do know a lot and my God, you guys are going to want to just not do anything this weekend unless you're in San Francisco and then you go to the parade. But if you're not in San Francisco, just stay tuned to Twitch all weekend long. They have some shenanigans and a half planned.
Greg Miller
I have shenanigans planned for them. Oh great. I'm going to be doing this, handing them an envelope and it will be very specific of open when you're the most vulnerable.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Okay, that's scary.
Tim Gettys
Yes, it is.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Greg, what are the details of the parade for tomorrow?
Greg Miller
10Am Ferry Building, tomorrow on the Embarcadero. We will gather outside. I have made some signs as you may have seen on Games Daily. I encourage you to make your own signs and bring those as well. They can either celebrate me or boot him. We'll meet outside at 10 o' clock and then we will walk the Embarcadero with. I have a speaker I'm going to bring so I can play some music.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You have a playlist?
Greg Miller
I got my. I haven't built it yet. I'll, you know, we'll see what I, what I'm feeling. It's, it's, you know, what's the vibe? You know what I mean? Are these kids here to party or are they just here to worship? Either. Worship.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, I say. I, I think a get low by Little John could help set the mood. Yeah, what I'll probably do is do.
Greg Miller
One of those things is open up the Spotify where people can put in their own songs, you know, so we can go and then you can all be part of it. But yeah, 10 o' clock in front of the Ferry Building. We'll pose, we'll take photos. I'm. The mayor will show up. I've tagged him in a few of these posts. I've tagged Hunter Pence. I'm sure he'll show up then. Yeah, we will walk the Embarcadero to Square Pie guys down on beach street where we will get some pizzas and we will hang out. We have a great time.
Tim Gettys
That's funny you're talking about walking because me and Roger are going to be doing some walking here.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We finished that housekeeping.
Greg Miller
We did that, we put it over.
Tim Gettys
It's the most important thing of the weekend. Okay. There might be a three time champion here, but this man. I mean look at this beast right here. Watch out. I've walked.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That could have ended the stream right there. That could have been the end of the stream.
Tim Gettys
Okay, you see this donut? Bless. I'm gonna go fuel up with in and out right now. This.
Greg Miller
Okay, well if you're gonna get in, I'll give me some. But also think about ordering a pizza.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Roger, why are all the donuts?
Tim Gettys
It is y' all. We love you. Tune in.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh Yeah, I got 12 donuts. And she was like, what do you want? I'm like all chocolate for Mikey, you know what I mean? Because that's all he likes. That's all he likes. What are you gonna. What do you want, vanilla? I want a, like a regular glaze. There's a regular glaze in there. Not anymore. Oh, that's on him. You guys gotta fight. You nerds gotta fight. There's like six chocolates in there. That's how it.
Greg Miller
Yesterday on his Instagram story, Roger shared private messages between him and Mike Howard. Mike texted rower in Howard Roward Howard Roward Bower. Roger nailed it and said it's crazy because tomorrow I prove to the world and myself that I can do really anything. Then a new text message. Next time I might free solo a mountain or like write a book. Next message. Really anything I want. That's the kind of hubris you have to stop. And that's what I will be doing with my manila envelope. Thank you very much.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Mr. Hawks writes in with a super chat and says can't believe Tim is trying to take parade day away from Greg by focusing on some jacket. Have you no shame to him? Sit down. Be humble, Mr. Hawks.
Tim Gettys
You know you play Pokemon Go. You know the importance of this moment. You know the time and more importantly money that I've spent to make this happen.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then Resolute writes in with a super chat and says, Greg, steal the jacket and put the belt in the jacket on the line. Winner takes all.
Tim Gettys
Belt of the jacket. Greg gets my level 50.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You shouldn't even put that out there.
Tim Gettys
That is insane.
Greg Miller
I did when he said that come up with a different idea that I'm going to work on while you keep doing your house.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There you go.
Tim Gettys
Great.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then on Monday, Tim is premiering his wedding finally.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, we. It's been a long time coming. The one year anniversary of my wedding is this Sunday, which is insane. And then Monday is my birthday and it makes more sense to put content out on on workdays. So we're doing that on Monday. It'll probably if you all support the way I expect you will be during the death standing death stranding marathon stream. But the this will be on YouTube. That'll be on Twitch. This will also be a VOD you can watch later. But it is the fully edited wedding including Greg's speech, Nick's speech, like all the speeches and the performances like so it's the, the ceremony that somebody all got to see live when we were live last year. But then also Cisco performing, Tony performing and all the other extra stuff. It's about an hour 45 total. The last 45 are like the speeches and stuff that if you don't Want to have to sit through all of them? You don't need to, but they're there for you if you want to and it's going to be a ton of fun. I worked very hard on this and I can't wait for you all to see it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Hell, yeah, if you're kind of funny.
Greg Miller
Member, what day is tomorrow for Pokemon people?
Tim Gettys
Pokemon Go Fest.
Greg Miller
Thank you.
Tim Gettys
Day one.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Today's Greg Way is all about which era of gaming Greg is in. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Karl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by. Are you trying to get the same bomber jacket that Tim's getting?
Greg Miller
Don't worry what I'm doing over here.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm like, trying to get in Greg's brain where I'm like, what could he be trying to do right now?
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Today we're brought to you by Cash App and Mood, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with topic of the show.
Greg Miller
The fuck was that?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Why is that a button?
Greg Miller
I literally was like, have I been gone from the show or. That's the new Tots noise.
Tim Gettys
What was that, Kev?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I was pausing the IGN video that auto plays. It made the volume go up and that was the intro because that was.
Tim Gettys
Kind of a jam.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I kind of like that as the.
Tim Gettys
Topic of the show jam. But okay.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Today's topic of the show is the Shit list, Of course. The Shit list is a special segment of Gamescast where I go online, I find a top 10 list, I bring it back to the panel, and we judge it for your amusement. Today's Shit list is every Hideo Kojima game ranked a shitless title. So tantalizing that Greg, who usually isn't like a shitless guy, was like, I'm going to be on this one.
Greg Miller
We're going to. Yeah, you guys usually do shitless, and they're great. I love these episodes. So I'm excited to finally be on it. Thank you very much, Tim. I know you don't like giving me the spotlight, you know what I mean? But no, I usually you're doing like, you know, Mario games. What, you know, shit lists that you guys are doing are very much about your games and your nostalgia and this, that, the other. Which, of course, many times aren't mine, but I mean, Kojima, Come on.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
So this is fresh. Of course. Death Training 2 just came out. This list is from IGN and got a lot of people tagging us in. This one of like, oh, you got to do reaction you got to do reaction. Every Hideo Kojima game ranked is. The Name of the IGN list is written by Matt Kim at IGN. It was posted June 20, 2025 I think it is very safe to assume that Death Training two doesn't make this list.
Greg Miller
Yeah, this came out beforehand.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yes.
Tim Gettys
Every Kojima game ranks.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Every Kojima game ranks.
Tim Gettys
This means most likely. That's ign. They do their homework. So I imagine this isn't just every Kojima game you know of. You know, it's not just the Metal Gears and Death Stranding 1. It'll also include Baktai.
Greg Miller
I was going to say. Thank you. I was googling Kojima game Sunlight and.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Now we don't Google on the show. You got to put away.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. No Google.
Greg Miller
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, to get the name of the game is all I'm googling. I'm well aware of the. The game that needed the sunlight. Majima was a big deal. I just want to make sure I had the right thing.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Be careful around there. You know what I mean? Try to go off the top of the other one.
Tim Gettys
Psychonauts. Not Psychonauts.
Greg Miller
And then Snatcher. Snatcher. Don't. You're looking at the chat.
Tim Gettys
I'm not looking at this chat. You're telling me I can't Google a thousand mile gaze over there. Okay. I was like trying to close my mind.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Wait, so it's Police knots, box high. And then Snatcher. I don't know Snatcher. I've heard the other two. I'm gonna assume Snatchers at the bottom. Having not known Snatcher.
Greg Miller
Sure.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Tim, what are you. That's. What are you thinking right now?
Greg Miller
I wonder too if like. Well, those are the oldest games too. I don't know.
Tim Gettys
Not right. Because we have the build here like the older.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Right.
Greg Miller
Right. What you're.
Tim Gettys
I don't know if they're gonna include multiple versions because there's the NES one and then there's the MSX one and.
Greg Miller
They all put that under one.
Tim Gettys
You think?
Greg Miller
I do.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There's no notable difference. Pretty sure there's like big notable difference.
Greg Miller
Different.
Tim Gettys
I could be wrong about that too.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We got two Metal Gears, Metal Gear one, Metal Gear two. Have you guys played. I remember playing the original Metal Gear on like nes, but I never.
Tim Gettys
I never completed.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I never. I can.
Greg Miller
It was anything. I was so into solid that. Yeah. I went back on FAF shout out to FAFs NES. He had it and I was like. Oh. And I borrowed the whole thing and played. I dropped off and then Collections have had them again where it's the same thing you start up. It's like, ah, I really don't need to do.
Tim Gettys
Pretty sure the Metal Solid three Subsistence came with.
Greg Miller
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
Versions.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There are three Metal Gears. Is that true?
Tim Gettys
Well, because I'm pretty sure I might be wrong about this, but I think on the MSX there's Metal Gear 1 and then Metal Gear 2, Solid Snake.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
And then on any S. I think one of them is the same. And then there's a second one that's like a different game really. But I definitely, definitely could be wrong about that. I just feel like there was enough difference between them.
Greg Miller
I don't know.
Tim Gettys
Someone's gonna have to correct us here.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Two has two versions. Chad is saying. Interesting. Okay.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. Okay, so maybe I'm right.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I like that we're starting with all like all the games around the edges before we get to like the core stuff. Because then what are you about to say?
Tim Gettys
Well, I just want to make sure we're not missing anything here because obviously there's metal gussad 1, 2, 3, 4. Beast Walker. But there's a couple that. I just don't know if he worked on it. Work on Ghost Babble, the Game Boy Color.
Greg Miller
No, I don't think he did.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Did he work on Acid?
Greg Miller
No, I don't think he did that one.
Tim Gettys
Revengeance.
Greg Miller
Can we read? Can we read. Can we read the lead? No, he didn't work on Revenge.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Okay.
Greg Miller
It might have been like he signed off, he gave his blessing. Can we read the lead? Does Matt.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Sure, we can read the lead. Okay, here, let me open up the article from Matt. I was gonna say Matt Piscatello. Matt Kim. With the Release of Death rating 2 On the Beach, Hideo Kojima enters his fourth decade in game development as a director. While the celebrated auteur has spent the majority of his career so far working on the Metal Gear series, Death Rating two sees him expanding upon his newest universe, where he both introduces new concepts and revisits some of its most enduring ideas. With a truly staggering list of credits in his most impressive. In his impressive resume, there's no better time to revisit every genre defying adventure Kojima has. Here's every Kojima game that he is that he directed or designed.
Tim Gettys
Okay.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Ranked from worst to best.
Greg Miller
Okay.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Directed or designed.
Greg Miller
And so Chad's calling out like he was executive producer on Acid and gave his blessing on the so like, yeah, I say we leave those Producer on Ghost Babel.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, I think he's producer on anything that has military.
Greg Miller
No, I wouldn't put those in there.
Tim Gettys
Zone of the Anders.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Zone of the. Yeah, that's where I was going to take it. I'm typing these things down. We get a. I don't. It's. It's the weird thing of I don't have much opinion about the arrangement of these games that we're listing so far.
Tim Gettys
Let's get them there.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Zone of the enders 1 and 2.
Tim Gettys
Would it be possible to see how many titles are on the list without spoiling it for yourself?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Kevin, could you check to see how many. How many? Like, what's the first number?
Greg Miller
12.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Okay.
Tim Gettys
We must be close.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Well, I just typed down seven games, and that doesn't even include the second.
Tim Gettys
Metal Gear 2, which might not be him.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There's no way, because then we're talking about five Metal Gear Solids. We're talking about Peace Walker, right?
Tim Gettys
Does Ground Zeros count as a separate thing?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I would. I would count ground zeros as a separate game. It came out like a year before Phantom Pain.
Tim Gettys
God, it was so good.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Ground zeroes. Yeah, that was a fun one. We must be missing. We must be doing. There's something off with this list if there's only 12.
Greg Miller
What was his official title on Zone of the Anderson?
Tim Gettys
That is a good question.
Greg Miller
That's where I think we really start getting into, like, what are we talking about?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. All right. Well then let's lock into, like, what we know are going to be the main ones here.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
So we got the Metal Gear Solid franchise, and we have the Death Training franchise, and we have pt. I think those are the three pillars. Those are the three main pillars of Kojima.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. Wow. A lot of games.
Greg Miller
How many were on the list?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
12. Oh, what do you guys think?
Greg Miller
Do you want me to paste down below you typing stuff in? I can toss in the rest for you.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, yeah, sure. What do you guys think? They go for top three? I think Mulligar Solid three is in there.
Tim Gettys
I mean, let's have this conversation first.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Huh?
Tim Gettys
Is Death Stranding top three?
Greg Miller
No, No.
Tim Gettys
I feel like where we place Death Stranding Pt. 2 top three? Really?
Greg Miller
I think so. We're talking about. We're guessing. IGN's list. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tim Gettys
I don't think so. I don't think it's complete enough.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Dude. If destroying. Here's the thing. If that's rating two was out list, I would say Death Training two is top three. Death rating one is not top three. Best rating one might not make it above a. Like any core. Metal Gear Solid and then we said.
Greg Miller
There was 20 games on this list.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. PT I love it. And it definitely was like a cultural moment.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
But I don't. You can't put that above so many of the Metal Gears.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Can you put it above 5?
Tim Gettys
I. No, no. I don't think personally. I don't think you put it above any.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Personally, I wouldn't put it above five.
Tim Gettys
Any of the Metal Gear solids, but.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think IGN could.
Greg Miller
That's my thing. I know Matt Kim. I've talked to Matt Kim. He's got really great hair and glasses. I could see him being one of those guys.
Tim Gettys
One of those guys.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think PT is one of those ones where they're gonna want to make a statement.
Greg Miller
Yep.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think that's one of.
Greg Miller
They don't want to talking about it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Now, granted, it's a full Kojima list. And so, like, you put PT above.
Greg Miller
Well, now you have to ask yourself, is it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Greg Miller
There's 12 games on this. We have at least 15. Is there one below that? No. 15 is what we've listed right now. Not again. I don't know.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Greg Miller
Zone of the Enders.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's my thing is I think you end up cutting. Maybe we don't know something about the direct. The direct director for like, Zone of the Enders or something, but I think at the very least, like, PT is going above the Metal Gears. Metal Gear games. Like the OG Metal Gear games?
Tim Gettys
Yeah, I think so.
Greg Miller
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about Baktai? I don't. I remember it. I never played it.
Tim Gettys
I didn't like it.
Greg Miller
But he was director on that, Right? That was a big deal, right?
Tim Gettys
Yeah, I want to say. Yeah, but I remember it was.
Greg Miller
I remember it being. I was such a Metal Gear guy. And then Game Boy advance, he. Now he's doing this thing that involves.
Tim Gettys
Sunlight because I feel like Zone in the Enders, one was him, but Two wasn't directing, and I don't know why. I think that two is better than one, I can tell you that. So we could rank it that way.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Prison of the Enders. Yeah, fair enough. We got our first confident placement here. Here's what I'm trying to think. Are the top five just metal ursolids 1 through 5, or is there a wrench in there?
Greg Miller
See, I think that's why PT is going to be up there.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Greg Miller
I think Matt Kim would have stepped back, taking a drag off his long cigarette. He's got a really cool cigarette. I don't know if he Smokes. Like, I got to make this cooler.
Tim Gettys
I personally, I think the reality is better Solid one through five should be one through five. I. I say that as not a destination. So if you guys want to fight.
Greg Miller
Do you mean them in order?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
No, just as far as, like, they.
Tim Gettys
All make the order. I think that obviously is going to be the best.
Greg Miller
I mean, Peace Walker should be higher than some of these Metal Gears tossing out there.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, well, I know you feel that way.
Greg Miller
I do feel that way.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Crazy, dude.
Greg Miller
Well, then you get into my personal preferences.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I mean, like, PT is going to be higher than Peace Walker.
Greg Miller
Here's what I would say. That's going to be a bold statement. A lot of people are going to want to bite my dick off about it and go for it. I don't care. I'm the champion. See you tomorrow. Bite it at San Francisco. Metal gear solid 5 is an incomplete game. We all know. We know how great it is and how amazing it is and all these different things, but all the systems you loved of metal gear solid 5 are in peace Walker, and it has an actual amazing story. So that's why I would. Right there. I'm gonna throw Peace Walker above five. Thank you, Blessing. Listen, I love Five. This isn't me. I love these games.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, but five had. Had it, though. You know what I mean? Wait, did we separate Ground Zero or. Yeah, Ground Zeros from.
Greg Miller
I think when we're talking about 12 games at IGN, they're not separating these. I think we're wasting our time.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's a mistake. We're not separating them.
Greg Miller
Call Matt Kim right now. Get him to stop buying cigarettes. But he's so fancy. He doesn't even have a phone. You have to call someone else to talk to Matt Kim. You know what I mean? He's drinking liquor out of a plum right now.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, the. The problem with the Metal Gear games is it very much is such a personal thing that, like, I. As long as none of the games are incredibly low on the list, it's like, all right, I get it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
What do we think is number one?
Greg Miller
That's Metal Gear Solid 3. Oh, fuck. You're right.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. It's got to be three.
Greg Miller
I'm gonna stay with my heart and say one. I'm gonna stay with my Heart. And they say one.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Greg Miller
Matt can't be a bro.
Tim Gettys
It's gonna be three.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
What do you think? If we're saying three, what's number two?
Greg Miller
If you're three and one, I think are the top, so whatever.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
See, I think one Is. I think. Well, I'm thinking of my list right out of the core. Metal Gear Solids. One is the lowest on my list.
Greg Miller
You're an idiot.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
One is the lowest on my list. It. It's innovative. It's the same way that we talk about Super Mario Brothers. The first one where, like, it. It did something. It was impactful, it was innovative and all this stuff. But, like, all the other ones just were better, dude. They were better. Better stories.
Greg Miller
Two. Two.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. Two is better than.
Tim Gettys
I think two is going to be.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Number two is better than one.
Greg Miller
Two is not going to be number two.
Tim Gettys
I also think solid two. I feel like.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think that game is aged really well.
Greg Miller
Yeah, a great game.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Wait, stop. Please let him bet his shoe so he can't wear for the rest of the day.
Greg Miller
Just one betting this blue shoe.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, I. I think. I think it goes 3, 2, 5. I think it goes 1. The IGN list, I think.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, I think the IGN list goes. Yeah, 3, 2, 1, and 3, 2, 1. Then it gets weird between 5 and 4 because they both have, I think, separate flies.
Tim Gettys
I think. I think it's 3, 2, 5. 1.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You think they put 5? See, I think the love for the.
Tim Gettys
Gameplay of 5, like the gameplay of 5 is so amazing. It is that I think that, like, it gets that extra boost.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I. I think there's just too much knocking for. Because I think the problem with this and where this conversation gets tough at this part is that we're talking about five tens, in my opinion. Right. Like, I. When I say that one is at the bottom of my list, I still love one. Like, one, I think is still a fantastic game. It's just a.
Greg Miller
It's just.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We're comparing masterpieces to each other.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, for sure. And I do think that with time, like, to look back at all of these games, I almost feel like all of them age better. Like, I think that we're even more fond of all of them than we used to be.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I think. I think when we're talking about my. And I think your prediction too, right? From going from three as number one and then two right under it, I think two has aged better than any like, Than any of the, like, older games in Kojima's catalog because of the subject matter, like, yeah, you go back and play two and your mind is blown by how ahead he was and all that. And I think we've talked about that enough on the Internet as far as, like, how predictive Kojima is. That I think too, over time has just gone up the Rankings.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, but it's still not three, I think. Three.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Not. Not. Yeah, it's not three.
Tim Gettys
Three. People see three as kind of the best of both worlds in terms of mastering the gameplay of the old school style. And also a standalone story. Yes, that is standalone amazing. But also when you add it to the grander mythos, also amazing. And the boss fights pretty much all the things that Metal Gear is known for. We just does. Even though we said this million times. Like, I not a three guy. Like, three would be the bottom of my list of the.
Greg Miller
There you go.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
Greg Miller
It's got taste up here. You know what I mean? You can't win a game showdown.
Tim Gettys
But I can't wait. I can't wait for Delta. I'm hoping that. Well, this is back to the fresh mind.
Greg Miller
The blessing thing of like, we're talking about a bunch of tens.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Greg Miller
It's not like you're. I. I love this argument because you're talking about games that I love all these games, but it's like, which one do I love the least? You know what I mean? Oh, great.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You're doing some typing. You're doing some thinking over there.
Greg Miller
It looked like I was trying to snatch. Yeah. When we really start getting into it, like when we're. Oh, be arguing, what's gonna IGN gonna do here? What are they gonna do there? I can't keep that all in the noggin. So I had to start jotting it down.
Tim Gettys
Chris Agates asked me. That's crazy, Tiff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I. I know. But like, the reality is, and this has always been true, I like Solid Snake better than I like Big Boss.
Greg Miller
This guy right here.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I fuck with Big Boss.
Greg Miller
That's my guy. I'm right there with you, Tim. So, yeah, for me, for my IGN guests again, I'm trying to get in the head of Matt Kim. Smoking the cigar, Drinking the plum. Number 1 Metal Gear Solid Number 2 Metal Gear Solid 3 Number 3 Metal Gear Solid 2 Number 4 Metal Gear Solid 5 Number 5 pt. Number 6 Metal Gear Solid 4 Number 7 Death Stranding Number 8 this is Matt Kim speaking, not Greg Miller. Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker Number nine Metal Gear Number ten Metal Gear two eleven Snatcher, twelve Piece Police Knots. But honestly, those are interchangeable as games I don't know anything about.
Tim Gettys
I think that those end up higher than the OG Metal Gears. I think the OG Metal Gears are.
Greg Miller
Wow. You think they start the list, I thought. Or you know what I mean? Yeah, start the.
Tim Gettys
I think So I thought about it, but Snatcher, Police Knots, did you ever play them? No.
Greg Miller
Okay.
Tim Gettys
But they are the type of like cult classic games. I just don't know how big those Colts are.
Greg Miller
Yeah, so I hear you on that. I hear you on that. That's the weird part of this list where I think when you get to the non Metal.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Greg Miller
When you. Let's be honest, for all of us at the table, really it starts at Middle Gear Solid. Right.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Greg Miller
So I think for us in our knowledge bases and what we do, which is actually fascinating, I should go back and play Police Knots and Snatchers and Baktai.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I. So I've. I've now made my own list in the way that Greg did. Thank you. And trying to predict this. I think for ign, I think number one is going to be Metal Gear Solid three. I think number two is going to be Metal Gear Solid two. I think number three is going to be Metal Gear Solid one. I think number four is going to be pt. I think number five is going to be Metal Gear Solid four. Six is going to be MGS five. Seven, Peace Walker eight, Death Stranding and then the rest. I don't really know the ordering, but then you have the rest of the games.
Tim Gettys
I think Death Stranding is going to be a little higher. Looking at this like looking Yearless Blast.
Greg Miller
Yeah, you had it at 8. Okay.
Tim Gettys
I think it'll be higher than Peace Walker. I also think it. I think Metal Gear Solid four is going to get hate.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, you know what, you're right. That's ranting. I think it's going to be above at least a Metal Gear Solid thing.
Tim Gettys
And yeah, I don't think it's.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I feel like statement wise, you don't put it at the bottom of those.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
If you like that.
Tim Gettys
Stranding 4 just gets so much hate, man. And I love it so goddamn much. But it is flawed.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's the thing is like somebody in chat earlier was like, nobody's mentioned four yet. Like, I think the fun thing about predicting an IGN list is I think an IGN list is probably the closest to popular opinion, at least you would imagine. I know sometimes they throw curveballs in there. But like for me, I'm trying to predict what does the world like, what does the audience.
Tim Gettys
I. Yeah, I would. We do shit list for the different websites and stuff. I always do feel that IGNS is the one typically that is the most representative of the most gamers. And it also feels like they put a lot more editorial thought into it. So like there's it feels like there's more discussions and more people involved in, like, making sure that they stand by it. So it feels more like official. Even though where these are just opinions.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's the way where, like, I. When I think of, like, when I go to a Polygon for review versus an IGN for, like, a video game review, I think of Polygon being more like, editorial critical. Like, you're. You're trying to make statements, whereas ign, I think, is trying to inform buyers. IGN is trying to inform, like, public, who. Like, the wide mainstream audience. And so I think when you make an IGN list, you kind of think in that way of, like, okay, a million people are going to read this. How am I going. Like, how do I want to inform a million people what. The correct ordering of the Metal Gear games or Hideokojima Games 4 is my favorite, personally.
Greg Miller
Wow.
Tim Gettys
But I understand that it's. But I am always a fan of when they pull off the end. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, of end game and all that stuff.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You gotta play that's raining two Destiny 2 might be your second favorite.
Greg Miller
I showed him.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, it's so good.
Tim Gettys
Pretty cool.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And you showed him. You told him, like, 20 minutes. It was like, hours before we get into it. Is there anything left on the table that we want to talk about? Any more predictions?
Tim Gettys
I. Maybe I'll have the egg on my face, Greg, but I just don't think PT is going to be that high. I don't see a world that IGN puts PT above death stranding.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
See, I have it. Oh, I like this conversation because, like, I think PT has the legend status. You know what I mean?
Greg Miller
Like, it could have changed horror games forever.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. Like, I think there's the what could have been. It's like, this is a bad example, but it's like, we hold up Tupac, you know what I mean? Because, like, we. We got those classic albums, and then, like, we see the potential of, like, man, if he was still around, like, he could have done this, this, this and this. Even though, like, Tupac could have really stinkers.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Afterwards, you know, I mean, like.
Tim Gettys
But he didn't.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But he didn't. But, like, we look. We look back on Tupac and Biggie different. I think PT is Tupac.
Tim Gettys
You're. You're not wrong. You're definitely not wrong. But I do think that while that's true, Death Stranding was for years a game that's like, okay, Kojima, is this really a game? Is this really happening? And that. Is this really just deliveries and stuff? And then it came out and people loved it. So it's like they pulled it off. They pulled off the ball. They created a new genre. Should we have connected?
Greg Miller
The strand game.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
The Strand Strand game.
Tim Gettys
I feel like, like that, that is kind of like seeing it through to the end in a way that like, I can't believe how successful death straddling is legitimately.
Greg Miller
That's a. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
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Greg Miller
We'll talk about all that later. We'll talk about all that later.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Fair enough.
Greg Miller
I don't know where he's getting his facts. I cannot further.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Guys, before we get into the list, I want to get into some super chats real quick. JBC Double O says going through death training one right now. The first two chapters were such a slog, but I've really come around on it. In chapter three. Hell yeah, Raymond writes in and says, I have a friend who thinks KJ is pretentious. Oh, Kojima. Kojima is pretentious despite loving most of his games. What are yalls takes? And what should I tell him? One love.
Tim Gettys
What should I tell him? Everything about this is fucking art. I love you so much. Raven. Here's the thing. Pretentious. Yes, and I think that's the point. Like sometimes like art is every auteur is pretentious. Yeah, it's Like. Because it has that level of like, what is pretension, Greg?
Greg Miller
Like the definition. No, you know, I mean. Yeah, no, I. It's rhetorical.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Greg Miller
And I think that's the point, right. Of, like, Hideo Kojima is regarded in a far different light than most game directors you will ever hear of. And I'm. I don't even mean like meat, because obviously, how many game directors will we all have the pleasure and honor of meeting? I mean, just like the ones you hear of, like, Corey Barlog is not trying to make a Hideo Kojima game. Hideo is trying to make a very weird thing every time, and a very specific thing, down to the kind of energy drink Sam is drinking in the glasses he's wearing. You know what I mean? Like, he is so in the fucking weeds with the project that I think that inevitably makes it more personal and more a Hideo Kojima game, which, again, I think alienate some people who don't. Aren't used to having someone that up front, it's the same thing of a Kubrick film or a Scorsese film of, like, the name meaning something, and then you. Oh, I don't like Scorsese. Or I don't like. I don't get Kubrick. Like, yeah, Kojima's trying to make something as you are. It was well reported. He's trying to make something not everybody gets.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I went to the dictionary.com pretentious. Attempting to impress by affecting great importance talent, culture, etc. Than is actually possessed.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
So that's gonna be in the eye of the beholder whether you think Kojima, like, his art lives up to what you think his art is trying to live up to.
Tim Gettys
I. I mean, the thing is. And this is getting God so into the weeds of the. The art, video games, art. What is art? Conversation. But I think at a certain point, when your art is successful and monetized and then you are making more after that, you're. It's pretentious to begin with. When you're making, like, creative, artsy stuff and not just like sheer product shit, you're still doing something that is coming from a place of. I mean, at that point, the privilege of having the resources and being able to be weird. And I think that there's a level of pretension there from the jump.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I think I'm on the side of that. I don't think. I don't think I view Kojima stuff as pretentious, but I unders. I totally understand. Anybody does this. Right. 100. I think his stuff presents pretentious. But like, when I play Metal Gear and when I play Death Rating and when we replayed all the Metal Gears, I'm. I'm coming out of that being like, no, I believe he got stuff. I think he attained those heights. But there are plenty of games that I think there are. Last Was two I think is pretentious, but I also love Last was too. Like, I think there's plenty of art that is in the eye of the beholder to whether or not you think that it lives up to the lofty things. But I think sometimes you need to aim high. Like, you need to as an artist, believe in like your own ability sometimes more than the ability you have to like, push it in that way. And sometimes it's like, cool. You might have. You might think your stuff is better than it actually is, but because you do that still, that gives your stuff quality. I know what I'm saying makes sense, but.
Greg Miller
No, it does. It does. Yeah.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Greg Miller
Thank. And that's that thing where, I mean, even with our death training review, the parts that I was like, I don't know about this or that. It's this hole, right. That they're making. He's making that. I'm like, well. But I'm arguing myself because I know what they're trying to accomplish. In a way, when you talk to most video games, you don't understand what they're trying to do.
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
J. Robert says Kojima games are like a Greg Miller text message made to shock and awe. And not everyone gets it.
Greg Miller
Sure.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Senior Lullaby says Kojima is the villa new of the gaming industry. 2 Street says MJ's franchise Pokemon, God of War and Persona are the games that I wish I could wipe my brain and play fresh. Those who are new to it are so lucky. I agree with that. And then, let's see two more. One more from Recon. Awesome. He says, I hope Peace Walker is ranked higher than 5. 5. Not having a great story really brings it down for me. And then Demon Hacker says, as a.
Greg Miller
Peace Walker fan, I may be the biggest fan. I agree. And I do not think that's going to happen. So I wouldn't.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. The problem with Peace Walker is it needs a loud defender. And without Greg in the room, I don't think that it just. I mean, it was on the matt.
Greg Miller
King was too cowardly to call me about it.
Tim Gettys
No matter what, it always just felt like side thing, even though it's not.
Greg Miller
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
But just because it was on the PSP and even just like the way it's been HD remastered and stuff. It always just feels like. And this as opposed to like Core.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
For me with Melior Solid Phantom Pain. I believe in two things. One, the story is incomplete. And we all know that. And we've seen the concept art and shit for chapter three and all that shit. Right. And then two, I still think the story is great in Mel Solid five. I. I think there's a lot of really good shit.
Tim Gettys
See, that's where I. I guess we differ.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
Is I do not like the story in five. Even what's there. I feel like messy. I feel like it's more death stranding than it is Metal Gear in the sense of. It's just. It to me feels just weird for the sake of being weird. Like that whole opening scene. Without spoiling it too much. I do not like who characters are. We don't need this in the. In the franchise at that point specifically.
Greg Miller
But that's an interesting point. I guess we kind of get spoilery to a degree. But the. The way they do everything makes in some ways 5 feel more like a spin off than Peace Walker feels.
Tim Gettys
Yes, exactly.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then one more from demon hacker who says Peace walkers. Amazing story. Dude falls downstairs. AI the boss develop develops feelings. Snake fights like 30 big boring mechs.
Greg Miller
They sing.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I need to go back and finish. I think I played like half a Peace Walker with you. No, I never finished it. Yeah. And he bust out the PS3. All right, let's hop into the I.
Greg Miller
Volume two's coming, baby. And I'll gladly replay with you, dude.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I'm down for that. Of course. This is by Matt Kim. It was posted June 20, 2025 at 8:00am Pacific Time.
Tim Gettys
Oh my God. Good to know.
Greg Miller
Why was he up so early?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Starting with number 12.
Greg Miller
Number 12?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Milligra solid 3. No police knots. We got police knots at number 12, which makes sense. And number 11, we got snatcher.
Greg Miller
Yep. Okay.
Tim Gettys
All right.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
At number 10, we got metal gear 2 solid snake. Which means metal gear number 9.
Tim Gettys
I hated the way that they looked in these games.
Greg Miller
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
Like, look at that. Ew.
Greg Miller
You know how they looked in the box already?
Tim Gettys
Yeah.
Greg Miller
The game is right.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
One day they're gonna remake it in 3D. You imagine if they're gonna let the.
Tim Gettys
Top five was gonna be. And I was let down.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh man. We almost got there. Just one.
Tim Gettys
The timeline's missing. Like just one little like three year gap.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
If Konami didn't over Kojima, we'd be living fix it. KONAMI at number nine, we got oh, Metal Gear Solid 4 guns of the Patriots.
Tim Gettys
Like, oh, man. It's only good if you play through all of them.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Which means the original Metal Gear is above four. That's crazy. That's crazy talk.
Tim Gettys
It makes sense.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Does it?
Tim Gettys
I think. I mean, yeah, I think it does. Metal Gear 1, again, 4 is my favorite, but, like, I don't know.
Greg Miller
I feel I'm gonna. I'm not gonna look ahead. I'm gonna scroll. I want to read. Yeah. Did Matt say, like, how they're ranking it and why they're ranking it?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I read all the.
Greg Miller
I think that was everything you did. Okay. Sorry.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, that was everything that I, that I read was before.
Greg Miller
Revisit every genre defying adventure taken. Here's kind of. Here is every game ranked from worst to best.
Tim Gettys
Okay, give me a little bit of the reasoning.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Metal Gear Solid four Guns of the Patriots was originally designed to be the finale of the series, capping off the Solid Snake storyline with a bang. The this mega budget PS3 exclusive was released in 08 and set a technological benchmark thanks to its breathtaking graphics and cinematics. Snake is back, but this time he's aged significantly. I'm gonna skip forward. Despite being dramatic. Despite being the dramatic final act in an iconic game series, Metal Gear Solid four also represents Kojima indulging in some of his worst creative tendencies. While the plot ties up a lot of loose storylines and gives old Snake a hero's farewell, the majority of cutscenes border on self parody and including one character's constant need to find a toilet and Kojima in general.
Greg Miller
All right, that's canon. All right, that's canon. From Metal Gear to Johnny. Come on. Johnny didn't take the genomes. All right.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Kojima seems too focused on his nostalgia for older games in the series, which has had which has an impact on the overall execution of Solid Snake's final tale.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, so look, I get it. They're making a point. I don't agree with the point. I like the nostalgia, and that's why it's my favorite. But. But I also am not surprised that it's the lowest one.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
They also go on to say there are a lot of big gameplay ideas here that aren't fully fleshed out. Perhaps due to technological limitations, some of these mechanics, like the active camo, would finally be refined in Metal Gear Solid five. I I here's the thing, because I think I I had this thought. Maybe we talked a little bit about this in The Death Raining 2 review, where I think, gameplay wise, the Metal. Your Solid Franchise is really interesting because, like, I think the third person shooter gameplay of Metal Gear Solid 4 kind of lets it down a little bit. But like, everything around it does bring it up for me. Whereas, like, gameplay wise, it doesn't get better than Metal Gear Solid five.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. But like, I mean, and this is always a hard conversation to have when we're doing lists, comparing them directly. But like, did you feel that way when it came out? Because I remember playing this on PS3 and the third person shooting, I was like, God damn, this feels so good.
Greg Miller
Comparing it to like the acted camo of like laying down and.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, man.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I think it's like, it's how that interacts with the stealth. And then like, when I think about the boss fights, I. I like the spectacle of the boss fights in MGS4, but like, they were kind of the same as they are in Death Rating two, where you're just shooting at these things.
Tim Gettys
Shooting, right? Or.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah, yeah.
Greg Miller
And I also. That falls into the conversation we were having, right. Of like, does Kojima still have it when it comes to boss fights? And the fact that like, this is for me, the one where it is like, yeah, the Beauty and the Beast. But it's like there was a octopus lady and there was somebody who was like, they had a psycho man.
Tim Gettys
Beauty the Beast was the biggest letdown because, like, God, the coolest name ever. The coolest idea ever. And it's like, ah, the follow through of it just was not ideal.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Exactly. At number eight, we got Metal Gear, the original one. Okay, that's crazy that it's above four. And number seven, we got Death Stranding.
Greg Miller
Oh, okay.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
So we're to the top six, which gets interesting.
Greg Miller
Okay. Shout out for Peace Walker. Making it in the top six.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Greg Miller
Not getting bumped by Death Stranding. There was a conversation we had before we went with that one.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Do you think we see P.T. or Peace Walker next?
Greg Miller
Peace Walker. I still think P.T. i mean, my. What? My prediction list is P.T. at least five, if not higher. And I think it could be higher. Everybody.
Tim Gettys
PT Might not be on the list.
Greg Miller
Fuck that.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
It's got to be on the list.
Greg Miller
Matt Kim, I'll drive to your house.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
At number six, we got Metal Gear Solid. Peace Walker. All right, so we're that at the top.
Greg Miller
It's one of those where I, like, I'm angry about it, but at least I'm happy that it's. It's higher. Yeah. Who cared about this game?
Tim Gettys
I'll.
Greg Miller
Matt Kim now I work out. You know what I mean?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Does he Work out.
Greg Miller
No, no. The voice I was giving him made him sound like a meathead. I thought so. I was like, now I've changed my.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Perception of number five. I like his.
Greg Miller
So it's building at number five out of his plum.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
We got. We got a scroll for this one Melody. Solid five, the Phantom Pain. Plus ground zeros. Off.
Greg Miller
Off.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Those are two different entries. And ground zeros alone should be top eight.
Greg Miller
Huh.
Tim Gettys
Okay, again, like, I get it. I feel like this placement makes sense for this game.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yes.
Greg Miller
Yeah. Again, I think the. The. Let's talk about the legacy of Metal Gear Solid five. Right? And I think the legacy is. Oh, the gameplay was so good and you're back to. But what were the boss fight memorable. You know what I mean?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
There's the flaming man. Yeah. The skull face.
Greg Miller
There's kicker. There's the kicker at the end, the story. Quiet. Everybody remembers quiet. Of course. Maybe for good, maybe for bad, but you remember quiet. Right. But like, that's the thing where it's like. You remember the gameplay being so good, but. And I always reference the burger thing from Miller. But like. Like, it's like. What do you remember outside of that?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I remember the vibe. I remember the music.
Greg Miller
The vibe, for sure.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
The soundtrack.
Greg Miller
I remember full sending out all out your. Your giant things of chemicals.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
They're being like a disease that's spreading and you have to figure out like, all right, what the is causing this. And you find the thing and it's like, okay, that's pretty cool.
Greg Miller
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
And then I remember, like, there was like a scene and I think chapter two that got real up and real kind of bad for people that I was like, man, this rocks. But also you finish it and it's like, where's the rest? Where's the rest of the story? Which is always the. For this one.
Greg Miller
De Horse. Never forget the horse.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
D Dog D. Dog D. Quiet. Was quiet. Was quiet.
Tim Gettys
One of those things.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
At number four, we got pt.
Greg Miller
All right.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
All right, so we're to the top three. Any predictions here? I'm going. I'm sticking with my original one.
Greg Miller
I'm sticking with mine too. Metal Gear Solid at one. Metal Gear Solid three at two. Metal Gear Solid two at three.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, I see. So you're saying MGS one at number one.
Greg Miller
I think Metal Gear Solid one takes it at number one.
Tim Gettys
I think three, two, one.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I agree. So I think at number three, I think we see Metal Gear Solid one. Number two. I think we see two. Number one. I think we see three. I think so at number three, we Got Metal Gear Solid two. Is that different from everything that we said?
Greg Miller
That's what I have. I have Metal Gear Solid.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, you have it at three.
Greg Miller
I have two. I. I go two, three, one don't count. So next in my list, next should be three and then one should be one.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Ask Wild. Okay. At number two.
Greg Miller
Well, again, like, I mean, I do get it though. Metal Gear Solid 2 is another great game with a lot to say about where we actually are. Again, Kojima very. He really sees things. Right. But there was the whole thing of the switch to Raiden leaving a bad taste in your mouth for me. Like when I think of metal or solid and I shut my metal solid 2, I still see the tanker, the demo disc gov zone of the Enders running it non stop playing that being Snake yet. So like the Raiden and big shell stuff and all that jazz, like I like. But I didn't. I mean in the grand scheme of things and games that I think are all tens or whatever, like I didn't love. You know what I mean? Like I would have rather have been with Snake the whole time. I would have had the shit. I don't know. Like, I don't know. It's a weird one of like I remember running around that shell so fucking much. And granted, this is the game that I always talk about. Like I. Platinum before Platinuming was the thing. Every dog tag, every ghost picture ever. Everything on that memory card, I did.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Greg Miller
So it's like I know this game really, really well in a way. I don't intimately know other games where it's just like for some reason, for me, the Raiden stuff becomes noise at a point.
Tim Gettys
Yeah. And I get that. Especially when if you were there, you know what I mean, in the moment like that, living it. I do think that. That it was such a bait and switch. I didn't play two until later and I knew about that. So yeah, to me, I was actually very happy with how much Snake we got even as Raiden. Like just as like supporting character with you. And like I enjoyed that dynamic, but I also just feel like. Like we've said this a million times, but these games are. It's so interchangeable and personal. Like what are the weird specific things you care about most? Because there's such an argument for metal gear solid 2 of like it is the pinnacle of that style of the gameplay and like it being more linear and condensed into the. The stealth.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I. I think on top of that, I think there's something to be said about metal gear solid 2. Being a metal Gear Solid game for people who are big fans of Metal Gear Solid, you know what I mean? I think one and three, this goes back to what you said earlier, Tim. Like 3 and 1 are both standalone to some extent. Like 3 and 1 you can recommend to anybody. Those are anybody's Metal Gear Solid games. Two, it's like you got. If you're not that you have to be a fan, but if you're a fan of Metal, you're solid. Like two, I think is peak in that way where it takes it all the way. It does the weird shit, it does the switcheroo. It has really interesting, really weird story beats a really cool cast of characters. But I think one in three for what they do with like, all right, you're starting fresh with either Solid Snake or Naked Snake. We have a cast of like, really cool villain characters are going to go through the boss fights. We're going to go through a more traditional, like, straightforward story.
Greg Miller
Yeah.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Anybody can jump into those as their first Metal Gear Solid games and like fall in love with it. It was one of their favorite games of all time.
Greg Miller
One of the things tossed out too, and this is maybe a bit dramatic, so you're welcome to reel me back in, guys. But somebody who lived through it, like Metal Gear Solid to Metal Gear Solid 2 was like Mario World to Mario 64. Like, this was the game that like justified my PS2 purchase beyond belief of what. How can it look like this? What is going on? This looks photoreal. I'm showing the melons and they're popping.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, I think that, you know, 24, whatever years later, like, you still think of this as a next gen game.
Greg Miller
Yep.
Tim Gettys
Like, I don't think there's many games that reflecting on it, like, are able to hold up that this is next gen generations later, you know?
Greg Miller
Totally. Totally.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
At number two, we got Metal Gear Solid 3. Wow. Snake eater. What?
Tim Gettys
This is a wacky list, man.
Greg Miller
Good job, Matt. Good job, Matt. Cam.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Which means that at number one, you got the original Metal Gear Solid, the.
Greg Miller
One that started it all, except for the two that came before. But you know what I mean?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
You know what? I'm not mad at it. Like, go.
Tim Gettys
I am mad at it. You are mad at it. And I love one. I really love one.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, that's crazy.
Greg Miller
Kevin, go wide. Big boss is up right now.
Tim Gettys
He's here.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
That's why.
Tim Gettys
I don't know, man. What.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
What don't you like about this?
Tim Gettys
Because I. This to me is the, like, you don't put Iron man number one on the MCU list. Like, I. I feel like being super real about this. Like there's no. When you just start making the arguments. Besides it was groundbreaking. And you start to talk about like the story, the gameplay, like the like bosses, all the things in it. I don't know, compare that to 2 and 3. I just feel like, oh, I think.
Greg Miller
The boss is more memorable than two.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Bosses are more memorable than two, for sure.
Greg Miller
I also, I mean like. And there's something that's lost, I feel from.
Tim Gettys
Sure.
Greg Miller
The. I think Metal Gear Solid is that rare game for me where I old game is old and all that. But I can replay Metal Gear Solid anytime where I can go through and love that game and have that feeling again. And I think it is that Metal gear solid from 1 to 2 to 3 to X. Like metal Gear Solid still feels different. Like it does. Like it is. Like, yeah, sure, it starts off these different things, but like sneaking past cameras and blowing up holes in walls and having to get the right key card to do the. Like there's a. A I'm a secret agent vibe to it that the other ones do lose. Where I become super soldier. And that's what I'm doing. Like a way that, like the sneaking suit, the codex stuff like, I mean that exists throughout, but I don't think it gets better than here.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
I also think Metal Gear Solid and this is two point as well. Greg. I think it's one of a kind. Right? No other game in the Little Gear Solid series plays like Metal Gear Solid. Like in the same way that you get that graphical jump that like this MGS2 is next gen. Metal Gear Solid didn't get a game that's like metal gear solid. MGS3 came through and it's like, okay, this plays similarly to MGS2, even though it's completely different setting and all that. I think for Melia, Solid one being number one, the reason I come back around to it is it is like I think such a piece of pop culture. Like not just video game culture in the way that like you ask who is man, but like you ask anybody about Metal Gear Solid one that aren't even into video games and people remember that.
Tim Gettys
Yeah, but I. I mean if you're going with that argument, like way more people played too way, way, way, way, way more people.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
But I feel like I get more. I get more like pop culture references to one than two.
Tim Gettys
Just Psycho Mantis, right?
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Like what I mean, yeah.
Greg Miller
Kodak noise, exclamation marks.
Tim Gettys
Those are from the older games, right?
Greg Miller
Yeah. I don't. It's a weird.
Tim Gettys
I love this. I would rank one very high. I would rank one above two and three.
Greg Miller
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
But both favorite and quality. But I just think in grand scheme. IGN list. Don't like that move.
Greg Miller
You did right. Mat Kim.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Good job reading the Blur a little bit. While the older Metal Gears games were allotted for their.
Greg Miller
I lost my own narrative. Plum wine. Something I drink. I was. I was saying he was drinking out of a plum. I was making a reference to the Simpsons when they're in the quartet and Barney has his Yoko Ono and they start. Which is a real reference to the Beatles. That I don't understand. I just remember the Simpsons part of it. Hey, everybody's.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Greg, you don't really. Wait, actually, never mind. I'm not gonna get into it while the.
Greg Miller
You know that. I mean Yoko and John. No, no. Yoko and John doing something with a hat and a plum floating in it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Oh, no. That's just. I don't know. I thought you were saying you don't know who Yoko.
Greg Miller
I know who. Yo.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah. While the older Melody games were allotted for their creative gameplay, 1998's Metal Gear Solid on PlayStation took that innovation and creativity to the next level. At the time, its cinematic storytelling techniques were considered second to none. Its interactive movie like presentation demonstrating Kojima's love and understanding of cinema. And then it goes on about the plot. But there you go. Congratulations to Metal Gear Solid one.
Greg Miller
See, this is what I. This is what I was talking. I said earlier. Matt was drinking alcohol out of a plum. What? I was envisioning a hat with a plum floating in.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
How did we get here?
Greg Miller
Yoko Ono gag. You know what I mean? This is Greg doing it.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Guys for shit list. Usually we rank these lists or we rate these lists. Is it the shit or is it shit? I. Here's the thing. It's tough to fuck up a Kojima list because it's the MCU thing of like, you know what the top five are. Like, you know what the top. What the cream of the crop are. And then you kind of have tears. I think they got the tears right. MGS4 is a wild one to me where I think having that game that low is kind of crazy. But also I get it. I get not liking certain aspects of certain games. How that would get you. Get you there. I'm gonna say thumbs up. I think this list is good.
Tim Gettys
I'll give it a thumbs up. Yeah. Mainly just because like we were talking about a lot of great games and a lot of the ordering of this is kind of just very, very subjective. I will say I don't want to give this like a two thumbs up because I just feel like there's no bravery here. They're not trying to say anything and I like when listen trying to say something.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Here's the thing of like the reason. One of the big reasons it's definitely not a two thumbs up for me is we gotta have a conversation about PT above milligrasal fame. Yeah, I get it. I get that PT is I give.
Greg Miller
This a two thumbs up. This is a great list.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Two thumbs up.
Greg Miller
And I like. I'm excited to read through all the justifications what it is because I just started scrolling there. Did you see this Honorable mention Zone of the Enders in Baktai. Although not the director, Hideo Kojima is credited as the creator of Zone Avengers franchise. So we thought it was worth a mention too. Meanwhile, Kojima is also credited as creating Baktai, the game Boy advance action RPG about vampire hunting. Blah, blah, blah. So there you go. That's why they weren't there and why we were confused.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Good shout out on that. I like scrolled through because I was trying to get to the next number. But yeah, I don't know. I get that PT is Tupac in my analogy, but like metal gear solid 5 J. Cole. Actually, no, that's a bad one. That's a bad one because I love J. Cole, but nobody's saying J. Cole's better than Tupac.
Tim Gettys
I want you to know the movie trailers, like, you know, you know how they use like, slowed down versions of like, pop songs? Yeah. We're at a point now that J. Cole's songs are.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
Being used. Yes. For the movie Strangers 2. The horror movie. She knows.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Yeah.
Tim Gettys
But it's like a slow, creepy version. I'm like, yeah, we made it, baby.
Blessing Adeoye Jr.
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Podcast Information:
In this episode, the Kinda Funny Gamescast hosts embark on a comprehensive and spirited discussion to rank every game directed or designed by the renowned game designer Hideo Kojima. Drawing inspiration from an IGN list authored by Matt Kim, the hosts aim to evaluate Kojima's diverse portfolio, which spans iconic titles like the Metal Gear Solid series, Death Stranding, P.T., and lesser-known endeavors such as Baktai and Ghost Babel.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [09:10]: "Today's topic of the show is the Shit list. Of course, the Shit list is a special segment of Gamescast where I go online, I find a top 10 list, I bring it back to the panel, and we judge it for your amusement."
The central focus of the episode revolves around the IGN's ranking of Kojima's games from worst to best. Matt Kim's list serves as the foundation for the hosts' analysis, prompting debates and personal reflections on each entry's significance and impact within the gaming landscape.
Greg Miller [09:33]: "We're going to be on this one. Thank you very much, Tim. I know you don't like giving me the spotlight, you know what I mean?"
Before delving into the specifics of the list, the hosts share their preliminary predictions and expectations. There's a consensus that the Metal Gear Solid series will dominate the upper echelons of the ranking, while titles like P.T. and Death Stranding might disrupt traditional placements due to their unique approaches and critical reception.
Tim Gettys [15:30]: "I feel like Death Stranding is going to be a little higher. Looking at this like looking Yearless Blast."
The discussion begins with Metal Gear Solid 3, acknowledging its strong narrative and gameplay mechanics. However, concerns are raised about its placement, considering it as one of the foundational titles in the series.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [41:09]: "They seem too focused on their nostalgia for older games in the series, which has had an impact on the overall execution of Solid Snake's final tale."
Snatcher, a cult classic, receives attention for its storytelling and stylistic elements. The hosts express varying degrees of familiarity with the game, impacting their ability to assess it comprehensively.
Greg Miller [10:54]: "I never finished it. Yeah. And he bust out the PS3."
A contentious entry, Metal Gear Solid 2 sparks debate over its protagonist shift from Solid Snake to Raiden and its experimental narrative structure.
Tim Gettys [47:06]: "It was such a bait and switch."
The original Metal Gear Solid is lauded for pioneering cinematic storytelling and stealth gameplay, setting high standards for future titles.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [20:19]: "It's innovative... but all the other ones just were better."
Death Stranding is examined for its genre-defying nature and ambitious narrative. While some hosts appreciate its innovation, others question its placement above traditional Metal Gear Solid entries.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [28:00]: "It reminds me there's the potential of, like, if he was still around."
Ground Zeroes serves as a narrative bridge within the Metal Gear Solid universe. The hosts recognize its role but debate its standalone value compared to core series titles.
Greg Miller [43:15]: "Peace Walker fan, I may be the biggest fan. I agree. And I do not think that's going to happen."
Peace Walker garners appreciation for its storytelling and expanded gameplay mechanics. The discussion highlights its place within the broader Metal Gear narrative.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [43:19]: "So we're at the top six, which gets interesting."
This installment is praised for its expansive open-world design and refined gameplay mechanics, though some critiques target its incomplete narrative and reliance on previous titles' systems.
Greg Miller [44:15]: "It's more death stranding than it is Metal Gear in the sense of it's just... being weird."
P.T. holds a unique position as an experimental horror experience. The hosts discuss its legendary status despite its brief existence and the profound impact it left on the horror genre.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [28:00]: "It's like PT is Tupac in my analogy."
The original game secures a high ranking for its groundbreaking approach to stealth and storytelling, cementing its legacy in both gaming and pop culture.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [49:53]: "Where character are, we have that... the codex stuff like, I mean that exists throughout."
Reiterating its importance, MGS3 is praised for its deep narrative and gameplay innovations, earning the second spot in the ranking.
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [52:00]: "I think it's such a piece of pop culture... people remember that."
Crowning the list, MGS2 is recognized for its complex narrative and ambitious themes, despite its polarizing reception among fans.
Greg Miller [55:33]: "I love this argument because you're talking about games that I love all these games, but it's like, which one do I love the least?"
The episode incorporates insights from listeners through super chats, reflecting a range of opinions that both challenge and enrich the hosts' perspectives. Topics include debates over character preferences, game mechanics, and the subjective nature of game rankings.
Raven [32:59]: "What are yall takes? And what should I tell him?"
Greg Miller [34:19]: "Kojima is regarded in a far different light than most game directors."
As the discussion winds down, the hosts acknowledge the inherent subjectivity in ranking games, especially within a creator as eclectic as Hideo Kojima. While they express differing opinions on certain placements—particularly the positions of P.T. and Death Stranding—there's a collective appreciation for Kojima's innovative contributions to the gaming industry.
Greg Miller [54:52]: "This a two thumbs up. This is a great list."
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [54:53]: "Two thumbs up."
The episode concludes with anticipation for future content, including Greg's parade in San Francisco and upcoming streams, reinforcing the community-driven nature of Kinda Funny Gamescast.
Greg Miller [55:16]: "They tag him in a few of these posts. I'm sure he'll show up then."
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [09:10]: "Today's topic of the show is the Shit list. Of course, the Shit list is a special segment of Gamescast where I go online, I find a top 10 list, I bring it back to the panel, and we judge it for your amusement."
Greg Miller [09:33]: "We're going to be on this one. Thank you very much, Tim. I know you don't like giving me the spotlight, you know what I mean?"
Tim Gettys [15:30]: "I feel like Death Stranding is going to be a little higher. Looking at this like looking Yearless Blast."
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [20:19]: "It's innovative... but all the other ones just were better."
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [28:00]: "It reminds me there's the potential of, like, if he was still around."
Greg Miller [44:15]: "It's more death stranding than it is Metal Gear in the sense of it's just... being weird."
Blessing Adeoye Jr. [49:53]: "Where character are, we have that... the codex stuff like, I mean that exists throughout."
Greg Miller [55:33]: "I love this argument because you're talking about games that I love all these games, but it's like, which one do I love the least?"
"Every Kojima Game Ranked" offers a deep dive into Hideo Kojima's extensive and varied gameography through the lens of Kinda Funny Gamescast's engaging hosts. By dissecting each title's strengths and weaknesses, the episode not only entertains but also provides insightful analysis for both longtime fans and newcomers. The integration of listener feedback via super chats further enriches the conversation, making it a comprehensive and enjoyable exploration of Kojima's legacy in the gaming world.