Every Mario Game Worst to Best - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: Every Mario Game Worst to Best

Release Date: March 21, 2025

Hosts:

• Blessing Adeoye Jr.
• Tim Gettys
• Barrett Courtney

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Introduction

In the March 21, 2025 episode of the Kinda Funny Gamescast, the hosts dive deep into one of gaming’s most beloved franchises: Super Mario. Titled "Every Mario Game Worst to Best," the episode dissects each installment in the Super Mario series, evaluating them from the least to the most outstanding. Skipping beyond the initial advertisements, the core discussion begins around the 7-minute mark, focusing on constructing and comparing tier lists of Mario games.

Setting the Stage: The Tier List Challenge

At [07:35], Blessing Adeoye Jr. introduces the primary topic:

"We are talking about every Super Mario game ranked from worst to best."

The hosts decide to create their own tier list of Mario games, aligning their personal experiences and preferences with the established list from Kotaku, an influential gaming publication. This sets the foundation for a spirited debate about what makes a Mario game exceptional or lackluster.

Defining the Tiers

The conversation rapidly categorizes Mario games into various tiers—S, A, B, C, and D—based on several factors such as gameplay mechanics, level design, innovation, and nostalgia.

Tim Gettys proposes an initial framework for the S Tier, identifying games that have significantly impacted the franchise and gaming as a whole:

"Mario 64 is S tier, baby." ([14:34])

Blessing Adeoye Jr. agrees, emphasizing the groundbreaking nature of early Mario titles:

"Yoshi's Island is just so freaking special. If you haven't played it, you should play it." ([61:51])

S Tier Selections

The S Tier includes titles that are universally acclaimed and have left a lasting legacy:

1. Super Mario 64 ([14:34]) – Praised for revolutionizing 3D platforming.
2. Super Mario Galaxy ([32:05]) – Celebrated for its innovative gravity mechanics and imaginative level design.
3. Super Mario Galaxy 2 ([73:05]) – Builds upon its predecessor with even more creative levels and refined gameplay.

Notable Quote:

"Mario Odyssey, like just to talk about some of the flaws, ... But Odyssey, Mario's never felt better." ([66:04])

A Tier Highlights

A Tier games are recognized for their quality but may not have the groundbreaking impact of S Tier titles:

• Super Mario World – Though highly nostalgic and well-designed, it faces tough competition from newer titles.
• Super Mario 3D World – Lauded for its multiplayer features and polished mechanics, though some feel it doesn’t surpass the Galaxy series.

Notable Quote:

"3D World is a fucking excellent game. Even if I don't love it as much as Odyssey and 64 and Galaxy, it still is like at least an A tier, if not S tier." ([69:15])

B and C Tiers: Solid but Flawed

B Tier includes games that are enjoyable and hold their own but have noticeable shortcomings:

• Super Mario Sunshine ([33:03]) – Commended for its unique water-based mechanics but criticized for design flaws.
• New Super Mario Bros. Wii – Appreciated for introducing four-player gameplay, yet seen as formulaic by some.

C Tier features titles that are competent but lack the charm or innovation of higher-tier games:

• Super Mario Land 1 & 2 ([20:46]) – While foundational, they are viewed as less substantial compared to mainline titles.
• New Super Mario Bros. DS – Recognized for its high quality but overshadowed by subsequent releases.

Notable Quote:

"Mario Land one, it was cool, but it wasn't special. ... looking back, it was." ([18:03])

D Tier: The Underdogs

Surprisingly, few or no Mario games fall into the D Tier, underscoring the franchise's consistent quality. However, the discussion touches on the challenges some titles face in meeting evolving standards.

Comparison to Kotaku’s List

The hosts compare their tier list to Kotaku's ranking, noting both similarities and divergences. Kotaku’s list ranks "Super Mario World" at the pinnacle, followed closely by "Mario 3D World" and "Super Mario Galaxy 2."

Blessing Adeoye Jr. expresses admiration for Kotaku's effort:

"I respect your team at Kotaku. Ethan Gotch, Carolyn. Good job." ([78:00])

Despite some discrepancies, the hosts largely agree with Kotaku’s assessments, valuing both historical impact and modern innovations.

Reactions and Reflections

Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal anecdotes and nostalgia, highlighting how different games resonated with them at various life stages. Tim Gettys reflects on his lifelong admiration for the franchise:

"Mario has never and will never feel as good in 2D as he did in worlds." ([65:54])

Blessing Adeoye Jr. and Barrett Courtney also weigh in, acknowledging the emotional connections and subjective experiences that influence their rankings.

Conclusion: Celebrating a Legendary Franchise

As the episode wraps up, the hosts commend Kotaku for their comprehensive list and celebrate the enduring legacy of the Super Mario series. They emphasize that while debates over rankings may continue, the franchise's ability to innovate and entertain remains unquestioned.

Notable Closing Quote:

"This list is the shit. There was a lot of thought put behind this. This was not a let's just get it out there type thing." ([77:46])

The episode concludes with a sense of mutual respect and appreciation for both the Mario series and the collaborative efforts in the gaming community.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• [07:35] Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "We are talking about every Super Mario game ranked from worst to best."
• [14:34] Tim Gettys: "Mario 64 is S tier, baby."
• [61:51] Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "Yoshi's Island is just so freaking special. If you haven't played it, you should play it."
• [69:15] Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "3D World is a fucking excellent game. Even if I don't love it as much as Odyssey and 64 and Galaxy, it still is like at least an A tier, if not S tier."
• [78:00] Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "I respect your team at Kotaku. Ethan Gotch, Carolyn. Good job."
• [65:54] Tim Gettys: "Mario has never and will never feel as good in 2D as he did in worlds."
• [77:46] Tim Gettys: "This list is the shit. There was a lot of thought put behind this. This was not a let's just get it out there type thing."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, providing insights into the hosts' perspectives on the Super Mario series, their tier list creation process, and their acknowledgment of Kotaku's influential ranking.

Transcript

[Tim Gettys]

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

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[Tim Gettys]

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

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[Tim Gettys]

This GDC week, bless, has been such a journey, such an adventure. So much.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Did you hear my pitch to Greg?

[Tim Gettys]

No.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Where we take GDC week and turn it into just GDC weekend. Why is it a full week?

[Tim Gettys]

Oh man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Why can't it be like a Friday.

[Tim Gettys]

Through Sunday situation like most other events are? Yeah, that would, that would be nice. It's, it's so cool. I do like that there's so many people here and it does give us the time to actually spend time with different people. That's very nice but like your boy just needs a little sleepy, a little.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Rest, you know, I don't need a drink every night.

[Tim Gettys]

I actually been pretty good about that, all things considered, which like I'm a little shocked by. But I've managed to navigate that that well. Last night specifically, I did something that was very much in my interest zone but very much out of my comfort zone. There was another video game symphony orchestra thing at Davy Symphony hall in San Francisco and it was, it's a more generic, just video games music. It wasn't like Final Fantasy or like even I've been to a million of the old video games live, but like those had like a vibe to them. This one is a little bit more, dare I say official where it's more like the composers are putting this together and because it was gdc. There was a ton of like, Grant Kirkhob came out.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Tim Gettys]

A ton of like iconic Austin winnery, amazing composers and were able to like show off their, the music from their games. But it was mainly, it wasn't like, oh, here's the song from Journey. It was like, oh, here's songs from my more recent projects. It's like celebrating, like, video game music as it is currently. There was some old school stuff. We got some Tetris, we got some fun stuff. But there was also. I heard the score to Call of duty, World War II, and I'm like, not necessarily something that I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If you put together the, the set list, it would probably be a different set.

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly. But I was like, you know what? I. I want to go to just appreciate video game music for what it is. Support the composers, be here for gdc, see what happens. And I'm gonna go by myself. I don't do anything by myself. And I was like, I'm going to go to the symphony by myself. And I did that last night and I had a fantastic time.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Good for you.

[Tim Gettys]

Good for me.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You should have hit me up because I was telling Greg in the previous show that I tried to go to the GDC awards. They wouldn't let me in. They wouldn't let me in. I didn't get my badge quick enough is what.

[Tim Gettys]

No, I had to pay for this shit though. It was like $170. Not. That's what we ended up having to spend for Final Fantasy because it was resale. It was like $100.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay. Yeah, that's still sounds.

[Tim Gettys]

It was worth it, man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Good for you.

[Tim Gettys]

I will say though, if I have the room to criticize, I mean this with every ounce of my being. The video sucked. Audio was incredible. Arrangements were fantastic. The quality of the performances was like legitimately off the charts. But the video, they clearly didn't get the license to any of the games. So it was like worse than you could even imagine. Like, I. I'm not exaggerating. It was like AI stuff of just taking a PNG of the logo of the game and, and then just throwing it through a like visualizer, like old school Windows Media Player type stuff. And it like didn't feel like it was to the beat at all. It was just like random flashes. I'm like, we might as well just not have this, you know, I want to fucking feel something. Like even hearing Call of Duty music, seeing Call of Duty Gameplay would make me be like. Like, they did Fortnite. Like, there was a Fortnite suite.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

See, that sounds like it was just a thing of. Hey, GDC is happening. We want to do something with the composers. Like, what can we do? All right, let's have them come through. And, like, you know, I. That sounds fun. I would. I would definitely attend that and that, like, it sounds. Sounds like a good time. But you can tell that, like, if it was a. If this was an Austin Winy concert.

[Tim Gettys]

This is a touring show, though. Like, this. This is a show that exists. I think they just had a couple, like, guest spots and stuff, but, like, I. I've. I've listened to, like, the albums that these people have put out before. Like, they. They do this a lot. But, God, it's just. I feel like over time, like, I remember going to Distant Worlds, the Final Fantasy concerts back in the day, and loving it, but being a little let down by, like, what was essentially just like, slideshows, like PowerPoints on the screen. And then as time went on, here we are with the Sonic Symphony. That is just, like, absolutely incredible visuals to go along with the music. I'm like, hey, man, we need to raise the bar a bit. Final Fantasy VII was off the freaking charts last week.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Did I ever tell you about how I went to the Avatar, the Last Airbender Symphony, and it was fucking fantastic. Same situation of like, oh, they're nailing the videos, right? Like, they're playing all the music from all the moments that you love from the TV show and reli. Like just a bit. A bunch of Avatar fans reliving moments of the TV show, and they're playing that with the music.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, it's magic, man. It's so good. Nothing like it.

[Barrett Courtney]

I. I'm sure I asked you this when you first talked about this, but did they end with secret tunnel?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes. I don't. I don't remember if they ended with it, but there was a secret tunnel moment. We were all. I think they did end with it, actually. Yeah, you have to.

[Barrett Courtney]

That gets everybody singing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But enough about that. Remember, this is the kind of Funny games cast. Each and every weekday we get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews, and topics in video games live on YouTube, Twitch, and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the Kind of Funny membership on Patreon, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live, and get a daily exclusive show for a Chance to be a part of the show. Submit your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go. Housekeeping for you. We're 11 person business all about live talk shows. Before this was KFCD which was about a bunch of Nintendo news. It was fun to hang out with Greg, talk about Nintendo and then after this is going to be the Pokemon. Nick Lock continued. If you're a kind of funny member, today's Greg Way is 25 minutes about the behind the scenes of the Elder Scrolls online podcast. The kind of funny Gamescast limited series. Thank you to our Patreon producers Delaney Twining, Carl Jacobs and Omega Buster. Today we're brought to you by Shady Rays, Meundies and Factor. But we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with topic of the show. Tim Fun one, because it's me, it's you, it's Barrett. It's a classic shit list. Woo. Of course, shit list is where I go online. I find a top 10 list and I bring it back to Tim and Barrett and we judge it for your amusement.

[Tim Gettys]

That's a man right there above. Bless.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes. This guy.

[Tim Gettys]

Maybe we got cheese camera back. Yeah, that works better for me. There he goes, picking his nose.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If you're watching the video, of course, you know, if you're an audio listener. We are pointing to Mario because that's Day's list. We are talking about every Super Mario game ranked from worst to best.

[Tim Gettys]

Now I'm going to stop you right there. Yes, I love this. Obviously I love Mario. I love the good, I love the bad. Is there bad? We'll have to talk about that in a second.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Where the sun shines.

[Tim Gettys]

We'll get there. We'll get there. But I want to know like, what is included on this list? What counts as a Super Mario game?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's the big question. Now when I look up these lists, I don't look at them.

[Barrett Courtney]

I feel like it has to have Super Mario in the title. Right?

[Tim Gettys]

But Super Mario Party, right? Like that's the problem.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Super Mario 64.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, is it really?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Damn. Never mind.

[Tim Gettys]

There's a lot of games Mario, but like, I feel like that broadens it to a place of like it needs, we need to, we need to refine or else it's like, oh man, I don't want this. I. I feel like core and core adjacent to an extent I'm cool with, but I feel like this can get messy real fast.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, it's mainline, right?

[Tim Gettys]

I mean like that's. Even though there's debate for what's mainline. But I'm. That to me is. I'm more willing to have the conversation.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What are the, what are the debates around?

[Tim Gettys]

And so that's, that's where I'm at. Like there's a couple debates obviously when we get into any of the spin off type titles. Right. Because multiple of the franchises split after a certain point where we got Yoshi's island, clearly. And starting off the Yoshi games.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But.

[Tim Gettys]

And I'm. I, yeah, I'm with you. And then there's the other side of the Mario Land games eventually turning into Wario Land, which it's like they're. It's different, but they're very similar.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There's a cut. I think even with those spin offs, there's a cut off of. All right, this is now a different thing. Like the first. Yes. The Yoshi's Island. Even though it's a Yoshi game, that's a Mario game. It's not until Yoshi's story we're like, all right, different franchise now.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I'm with you. Even though franchise. Most people don't agree. And that's fair. I understand why they don't agree.

[Barrett Courtney]

And then, you know, chat pointed out, right. As we went live, like there's the important one that we really have to think about. Mario is missing. Like, where does that lie in how people think about the most Mario game?

[Tim Gettys]

No Super.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No super.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what I mean?

[Barrett Courtney]

You got me.

[Tim Gettys]

The super is missing in this one and of.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And again, going back to the Ocean's island that is. Was Super Mario World Colon or sorry, World two Colon. Ghost's Island. That's a super.

[Tim Gettys]

Only in America, but yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Maybe not counting Doki. Doki Panic.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean. Yeah, yeah. And that's that, that's Super Mario USA in Japan. Like so I imagine that they'll count these things if they're, if they're talking about everyone ranked worst to best. But I just, I wonder. I.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

With Mario, I mean, Super Mario Land has to be there. I would include that easily.

[Tim Gettys]

You should.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Obviously you're not including the Wario ones. Like once you get, once you get Wario in the.

[Tim Gettys]

Check this out. I don't know if you remember this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I do. It was called Super Mario Land 3, right.

[Tim Gettys]

Or Super.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, Colon.

[Tim Gettys]

Wario Land.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah. Mario World 2, Yoshi's Island.

[Tim Gettys]

It's the same thing. But. But like you play, you play as.

[Barrett Courtney]

Wait, no, you play as Yoshi.

[Tim Gettys]

Play as Yoshi. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You do play as Yoshi. Yoshi Sometimes.

[Barrett Courtney]

Sometimes. Which is why I understand more so the argument of like, that's a Yoshi game.

[Tim Gettys]

And I. I totally get that too. Yoshi has become its own thing. I just love Yoshi's island so much that I just want to talk about it all the time. So I will.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Are there any other, like, weird ones like that where it's. Because I feel like outside of those, it's pretty clear cut. Like. Yes, we have these different branches, but all those branches are Super Mario games.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like the 3D world is Super Mario. The 3D, obviously the 3D platformers are Super Mario. And the 2D, like new Super Mario games are Super Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

Yep.

[Barrett Courtney]

Doing well, I guess. Donkey Kong. You play as, you know, Jump man or whatever.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I like the way you're thinking.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, exactly.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Think about it. Because I didn't think about that. No. Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's a weird one. Donkey Kong.

[Tim Gettys]

No, it's. Yeah. This thing is. It's not. But like, I like the idea of.

[Barrett Courtney]

It, you know, Mario versus Donkey.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What?

[Tim Gettys]

You're right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's not. Cuz then we're into Mario Brothers.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's not Super Mario Bros. You're right. It's a super Super Mario game. It doesn't say every Mainline Mario. It doesn't say every Mario. It says every Super Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

So I feel like we should. Before even looking at the list. Like, I mean, we. I guess the problem with this one is we know them all. Yeah. The problem is it's like it's coming up with what's going to be on the list. We're doing that now and it's not that difficult. I think that going into it, it'll become clear. Okay. They're including these, which means we need to add xyz. You know, but let's.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, let's speculate still. I think there are tears of Mario games.

[Tim Gettys]

Absolutely. So, yeah, I say let's do this by. By tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I agree with that. So S Tier probably easy.

[Tim Gettys]

I think S tier is very easy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mario three Mario World.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Odyssey.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I agree.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Honestly. I mean, the problem we're talking about.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mario, honestly, might be a tier.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, no, no.

[Barrett Courtney]

In my heart it's as in my heart, it's like I feel like other people look at it more as a tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I agree.

[Tim Gettys]

It's Esther. My Odyssey's asked here. The problem with Mario, we just got a lot of.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay, well this is the question I'll ask. Is there any world, no pun intended, where they put Odyssey above World in three.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes, I do. I think there's a world I don't think they're going to, but I do.

[Barrett Courtney]

Think it's a likely world.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

When it's not likely, I feel like that it kicks it.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know. I. I think it is likely. I think that. Dude, the old head.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I like how you think the old.

[Tim Gettys]

Heads are getting older and the young heads are coming up, man.

[Barrett Courtney]

And you know what those young heads really love and grew up on more so than Odyssey Galaxy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

And that's my thing. I think as the Mario S tier, we can start broad and we can refine later because, like, how many Mario.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Games can we put in the S? That's.

[Tim Gettys]

I think let's start there because I think that that's a very, very important Galaxy 2.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

S t. Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Galaxy and Galaxy 2 can both be considered S tiered. Let's put them there for now.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We're putting Galaxy in S tier when Galaxy 2 exists.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right.

[Tim Gettys]

Because there's a debate. I'm a Galaxy 2 boy, but there is a debate. Galaxy 1 does some things better than the second one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I sure. Yeah. I'm not mad at that. 64.

[Tim Gettys]

64 is S tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It is. But like, the streets aren't going to call it S tier, like, but they are. It is. It's unequivocally S Tier. It changed everything.

[Tim Gettys]

If you were ranking the Mario games from best to worst, that I think implies a level of giving some type of boost to what it meant at the time. I don't think that that's everything. I don't think that Mario 1 is S tier just simply because of that. When. Because three did it so much better in a different way. 64 to this day did what it did better than we've seen Mario do. Post that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And it. The Galaxy, clearly, Odyssey clearly do something, I think bigger and better in different ways. Better.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Quote, unquote. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

64 is S tier, baby.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, 64 is still probably my favorite Mario. Yeah, 64 is still my favorite.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean. Yeah, I'd say it's my favorite as well.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right. So right now for S Tier, we have, I think most of the main line. Well, we don't have most actually gotta think about it. Because we have Mario 3, Mario World, Odyssey, Galaxy 2, Galaxy 1 and 64.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I think that that's incredibly fair.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, then you keep looking at the rest of them and like, I personally, I feel that Mario 3D World is s tier as well. I don't think that people are going to agree with that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But I think that they're just hating ass haters. Like, I really. I really, really, really feel that the.

[Barrett Courtney]

People dressed as a cat and they're like, we're too insecure to, like, lean into it, you know, I think 3D.

[Tim Gettys]

World has too much just baggage around it of it being. The Wii U people being very anti Nintendo at that time. People thinking that the 3D games are lesser than the other Mario 3D games. Like, I think that they'll never be able to shake that stink.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I'm writing it down a tier. I think.

[Tim Gettys]

I think as far as, like, what.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

This is going to be concerned, a.

[Tim Gettys]

Tier is very fair, and people do.

[Barrett Courtney]

If they include Bowser's Fury, I know people really fuck with Bowser's Fury.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I did like Bowser's Fury a lot.

[Tim Gettys]

And Bowser's Fury. People with. Just because, like, they needed to admit they were wrong about 3D World. You know what I mean? No, I. I love Bowser Fury. And if we do count Bowser's Fury as a separate. As a separate thing, I also would put it as a tier. Although I. I just want to point out that the Bowser cycle of him coming back and stuff was not well implemented.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I was gonna say. I think that brings it to, like, B tier for me. If it's stand alone, but, like, packaged in with 3D World, like, that's at least a tier.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I. You know what? I can. I can move it to be.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, because of it, it was great. I didn't. Don't. I don't think it outstayed its welcome, but I don't think it felt like a fully complete passage.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's the thing is like, I think, conceptually brilliant, but it did. Once you finish that, it's like it leaves you wanting more. I'm like, oh, I want the full game of this.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. But I did 100% it and had a blast doing every single thing. And to me, I'm like, well, that's fucking a good sign. But yeah, okay, let's put Bowser's Fury.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Even though I. I still think this list is probably gonna bundle them together. That's my guess.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Bowser's Fury and 3D World Battle is IMO. But yeah, 3D World, I got. I put in A. Bowser's Fury. I put in B. What about the. I guess let's stick an A. What are sticking. What are more. Come on. What are more. Eight here. Mario games again.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm going into this with the standing that we don't need to explore the scale on this one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Like when we're talking about putting the Mario games into tears, like when, when we have to rank them, then yes, there will be winners and there will be losers.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But when it comes to tears, I do think that sna are pretty, pretty hefty examples for Mario. But there are some ones that are like a little bit more. Yeah, the Mario Land games.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, those are a little bit more. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Like I Mario Land.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I guess Mario Land. I'll even say D tier.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You Mario Land that heavy?

[Tim Gettys]

No, I don't. But like I guess here's the problem because this is when it comes into like what did it mean for the time versus like playing the game now at all? Like I personally don't enjoy playing Mario Land one at all. Banger soundtrack, but don't enjoy it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I still feel dirty putting it like lower than a C even.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Speak your truth. Him.

[Tim Gettys]

Come on. My truth though, like it's. It's not a D tier game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean you're. You're right as far as at the time as a kid playing Mario Land on the Game Boy, it was cool, but it wasn't special. And now looking back it was.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean like the flying in space, like like more shmup stuff. The weird ass bad guys, the boss that being different than being in a different world. All the pyramids and shit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Daisy's there.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I was very young when I played that game too. So I'm thinking of like even my young self being not. I think when I think back to me playing Mario Land, I think I think of being in the car on the way home from church on my Game Boy playing Mario Land, being excited to get home so I can play Mario 3.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like that's how I view Mario Land. I was like this will. This will get me through an actual Mario give my hands and again that's fair.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm a pretty well known hater of the Game Boy era of games in terms of quality. Especially like looking back now, at the time, amazing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But Now Mario Land 2, is that a step up for Mario Land 1?

[Tim Gettys]

Unequivocally, yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So like it. But where would you Tier Mario Land 2? Okay, okay.

[Tim Gettys]

WB I Mario Land 2 has way too much personality and like unique things to it like that that only that game had it introduced Wario as a bad guy which was incredibly fresh. After like getting a lot of Bowser, we got wart in Doki. Doki Panic Whatever you want, you know. But like, yeah, I, I feel like Mario Land 2 had a lot going for it. It was beautiful on the Game Boy compared to Mario Land one. Like, do you have a visual in your mind of what each one looks like? Can you bring up Mario Land one?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I would have to see them side by side because I have like a default Mario Land like picture in my head.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, all the sprites are bigger than.

[Tim Gettys]

It'S Game Boy, so it's still black and white and whatever. But the difference in art style is, I would say as big as Mario 1 to Mario World.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

Like they Mario Lands. He's a really tiny little guy. Mario Land 2, he's Mario Land all right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Oh, maybe I played. Which one did I play? I must have played two.

[Tim Gettys]

And then in Land two.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, I played one. Yeah. I played Mario Lane one.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Mario Land two. Like, they went for it where it's like, all right, cool. We're gonna have a. This is gonna feel like a different world for Mario to be in and it a little bit more aligned with his kind of like cartoon style that Mario World introduced.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So here's where I come down because I'm, I'm. When I'm thinking of the tears, right. And I'm thinking even where to play the place in Mario Lands. I guess my thing is I, I start thinking of the New Super Mario games and New Super Mario Brothers. I think I'm putting B tier. Like the WWII. The Wii one.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We won.

[Tim Gettys]

I agree.

[Barrett Courtney]

That is about New Super Mario Bros. You+ A tier. Plus Luigi expansion.

[Tim Gettys]

A, A tier.

[Barrett Courtney]

Good.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't, I don't think the Luigi stuff.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, I don't remember the Luigi stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't think it's in the way I think it.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like, I just remember it being such a selling point like on the. Or whatever.

[Tim Gettys]

You're Luigi, man. But the Luigi stuff, it was good. It was a hard mode, essentially. Yeah. Which is like, like we want that. I don't think it adds to the game, but I don't think it takes away from the game. But yeah, a tier for, for you.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

For you. Cuz then I'm like, where I put.

[Tim Gettys]

Gameplay wise, it is S tier. Yeah. It's just at the end of the day, like there's something about it that.

[Barrett Courtney]

You know, it feels a bit formulaic compared to the rest of the series.

[Tim Gettys]

Formulaic and like we've seen it before and it's S tier because it's as good as the other ones. But when it doesn't do anything new, and especially when its art style was the same one that we were beaten with.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

But the gameplay is, like, for 2D, like, the tightest and, like, most fun. It was so fucking good.

[Tim Gettys]

And the map design and all that. There's a lot of good in Wii.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

U because then I'm like, mario Land compared to New Super Mario Brothers Wii. How are you ranking that? Are you putting that in the same tier? Or Mario Land 2? Are you putting that in the same tier as Mario Brothers Wii?

[Tim Gettys]

Yes, same tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

But, like, I'd say pretty opposite ends. I do think Mario Land would be bottom and, like, look, here's the thing. I don't want to. Wait, hold on. Mario Land two. You're talking two. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay. I'll break down Mario Land 2 and beat here, then. I'm gonna trust you on that. I. Apparently, I get. I need to go and play it because I just. Dude, I just learned right now that I haven't played Land too.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Play Mario Land 2. I'm not kidding you. It'll be less than an hour.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, sick.

[Tim Gettys]

You'll beat this game so fast. Like, it's.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I think I've allowed Mario Land one to taint my Mario Land opinions.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Before we get to the Wario Lands, because I did like playing the Wario Land on gba.

[Barrett Courtney]

Two questions. I have one, or I guess three, actually, because I'm just, like, looking up, like, games that maybe we're not thinking about because they're Super Mario games. And I know we talk about, you know, some Super Mario games spinning off into being different series. I don't think we get Paper Mario on here, but do we get Super Mario rpg?

[Tim Gettys]

No, I thought you can say super paper model, which I do feel like.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Also where I thought you were.

[Tim Gettys]

There could be more of an argument, but I still. I would shake my finger and say, no, sir.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I would also whack.

[Barrett Courtney]

We don't have Super Mario game ranked.

[Tim Gettys]

How they define it.

[Barrett Courtney]

Who knows? We. We still don't know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's like porn. You know it when you see it.

[Barrett Courtney]

Okay.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It might not have a strict definition, but. But when you see it, you're like, that's what a Super Mario is.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

The other one.

[Tim Gettys]

Start from the beginning and just try to tear them out one by one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I like this bear.

[Tim Gettys]

Where are you going?

[Barrett Courtney]

Do they include Super Mario Maker and then the other one?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's what I was trying to think of.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's get there, though. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's get there.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Starting At Super Mario Brothers 1.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, man. It pains me to say. It's a tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, that's higher than I thought you were gonna go. Actually.

[Tim Gettys]

No, dude, Mario one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, I would say B. I'm B.

[Tim Gettys]

Fight for B. Fight for B.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's just old, man. Like it's. I. I think we've. When I think of. I guess if I'm comparing it to new Super Mario Brothers games, which one do I want to play more between some.

[Tim Gettys]

Actually I'd play Mario one over any of them any day personally. And I get that, that there's a lot of just there but Mario 1. Like, you know what, it's old. Think about the secrets. Think about the hidden one up in level one. Think about all of the. The different course charting you have to do in the castles. Or else it beeps at you and you're like, I gotta do this a different way. Like that game is just running down.

[Barrett Courtney]

And all that stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh God, yeah, man. Like it does so much with so little.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I can vibe with that.

[Tim Gettys]

I think that the skill checks that that game have are like expertly placed.

[Barrett Courtney]

Because it's not just like it was one of the first to really nail like 2D platforming and teaching you like level design through gameplay. Like the amount of secrets that like game had for the time is so impressive. For what? Presentationally it's just like a 2D platformer, right. Where you're just scrolling. Right. But the way that you're able to play around with that stuff is awesome. Obviously done like much to a greater degree in like Mario 3 and all this stuff. But I think we can't, we can't downplay.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I agree. I think the thing that's making me go back and change my mind a little bit is thinking back to I. So the first time I played all the way through Mario 1 was via Super Mario Deluxe on the Game Boy color.

[Tim Gettys]

Love that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I played both that and Mario Land one color. And when I tell you just opposite ends of the spectrum as far as like, even though I know Deluxe isn't is like far from the best version of Mario 1, I still fucking love that game as a kid.

[Tim Gettys]

Absolutely.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I still fucked with that.

[Tim Gettys]

There are things that game does better than any other version of Mario 1. Very few things. But yeah, it has an overworld map. It's very simple, but it's cool and it ties it together in an interesting way. It has the co op mode. That's a lot of fun.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You're right. Like Mario Brothers one is actually like it's a really good game.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Which is. No, not a hot take at all. No.

[Tim Gettys]

But I Honestly, Mario Mario 1 is a game that I will fight for forever. That is not the like. Just because 3 is astronomically better than it does not mean that 1 is not still to this day an amazing video game. But I also need to be realistic that if we're going to Tier Mario games, Mario 1 is a lesser tier than many of them.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I love the super chat from Demon Hacker who says. Are you guys rating the all Stars versions separately?

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I would love that, but.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

How would I would think. Do you. Do you rate all Stars? This is one package.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, then it's number one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That is number one.

[Tim Gettys]

Just talking today to Jared Petty about Mario All Stars+World. My favorite video game of all time. My first video game of all time, like physical. I have it signed by Miyamoto and it's like it is the greatest single cartridge for a video game ever. And it'll never be beat.

[Barrett Courtney]

I can't argue against it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I can't argue against either. All right, Mario Brothers 2.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. If we're talking about Mario, let's. Let's do lost levels, because I imagine they're going to do that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, okay. Yes. Lost levels.

[Tim Gettys]

The Real Mario Brothers 2, I would put that in. That is C tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

C. I don't really have much of an opinion on it because I never got into lost levels. I just remember. I just remember playing the first level, like over and over again. Being like, this sucks.

[Barrett Courtney]

You gotta stream this, dude.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm not playing Mario's too, man. I don't want to play that shit.

[Tim Gettys]

No blast you do. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Huh?

[Tim Gettys]

I don't want to put my full weight into this statement because I'm speaking a little out of turn, but Barrett, I'm gonna need your backup and help on this because I think you can help me get there. Mario to the real one. Lost levels.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

If you were to play it today, it would be like playing the undertale of Super Mario Brothers.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Interesting.

[Tim Gettys]

The game fucks with you. In which the game is about you playing the game as much as it is a Mario. Okay, again, help me make out me get somewhere.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't know if I can help you get there, Tim, but bless you. Grew up in like, you know, we're roughly the same age as a year apart. Do you remember the Flash game? I want to be the guy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, I don't.

[Barrett Courtney]

It was very much a game, very similar, where it's it's designed to fuck with you. And it's about you learning through repetition and being fucked with. And many would say maybe not the undertale, maybe more the dark souls of Mario bro.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Barrett Courtney]

In terms of repetition, downloading all.

[Tim Gettys]

Because here's my thing. I don't think it's actually that difficult. To me, I think that stuff is like. Like when you look at the Kaizu Mario games and stuff that are made like be brutal. There are much harder Mario games out there. But this one, like a perfect example. Like what Barrett's saying is like you get a couple levels in and in a Mario game you jump to get the flagpole.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But there's times where if you jump, you jump over the flagpole and then it resets the game and you have to go back because there's. You get to a war pipe and it warps you back to world one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

There is so many things. There's times you jump on one of the bouncy trampolines, you fly off the screen to the top. You don't know when you're coming down. So you just need to like hold this game.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like your reactions to some things I think would be awesome.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Listen, you guys are selling me. Yeah, I'm down to try it. I think I, I mean I avoided all my life just because I always. It was always sold to me as, oh, this was the hard ass Mario. Mario Brothers one, but harder. And I remember as a kid Mario Brothers one was already hard. So the last thing I want to play is a more difficult Mario Brothers.

[Tim Gettys]

That's why it's like, I feel like now it. It again. I'm not saying that you would love the game. I'm saying that you would love your time with the game of the Experience. And like again, I think it's a perfect blessing streaming it in 2025.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Experience.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I think it sees here because I. I think that there's redeeming things about it, but it's not it. It's not a great game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay. So then we hop to Mario Brothers 2America. I'm putting that shit in B. A good game. I like that game. Tim is shaking his head. What do you think?

[Tim Gettys]

That's an A, baby.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's him.

[Tim Gettys]

Mario 2. Doki Doki panic is fucking so good. And anybody that acts like it's not is insane. Like, what are we talking about here, man? That shit is incredible. Why have we not gotten a sequel? Super Princess Peach on the DS was the closest we got. That wasn't it, dude. Mario 2 is awesome. Through and freaking through. Being able to explore the. The secrets in that game. Oh yeah. What the. You're in the subworld or whatever the hell it's called. Trying to find the mushrooms. Good lord, dude. Getting chased by a phantom.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, the phantom. When you pick up keys and yeah, I still.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I still stand by two. I'm typing it down in a. I think I still stand by two. Cuz I don't know if I can put it like alongside some of these. Right. New Super Mario Brothers. U even Super Mario Brothers 1 or Mario 3D World. Like, I think there is a Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

2 is better than Mario 1.

[Barrett Courtney]

That.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't know if I can stand by that.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't know if I can stand by that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't know if I can stand by it.

[Tim Gettys]

I do.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mario 2, like Mario 2 has such a personality and such like an energy to it. Obviously a different game, but like. Yeah. I don't know. I've. I think I'm in a place of. I love playing Mario 2. I never want to play all the way through Mario 2. Whenever I play it. Yeah. I'm like, cool. Yeah. I'm gonna do the first. Get to the first Birdo fight. I'mma maybe get some levels past that. And then I'm like, all right, I'm good. I don't need to play through this.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh man, I'm so surprised by that. I. Mario 2, I think just gets better.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Put in the Mario 3 cartridge already. That's what I'm on. Put a Mario 3 and get this Mario 2 out of here. No, I love it. But come on. This is better.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, clearly better Mario games. There are better Mario games. There are many worse ones though. That's not true.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right. Mario 3. We put an S tier.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Hopping to the Super Nintendo. You got Mario World S tier. Come on. If we're talking all stars automatically. S tier. I guess that's a weird one. But it's. Yeah. They're not gonna. They're probably not gonna rank.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. They're not ranking it. That is S tier. I. I need to say it does change the way the original games play. The way that they feel.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And not everybody loves that. I grew up with that version of the game, so I prefer that version of the game. But I totally understand that that's not the purest way.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We then hop to N64 or no, sorry, Yoshi's Island.

[Tim Gettys]

If Yoshi's Island's included that then that's another S tier. That is really.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yep.

[Tim Gettys]

It is S tier, baby. But I. I'd see them putting it in a.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Thing is, I see them putting it in A also.

[Tim Gettys]

But that's insane, man. The boss fights in that game. Good lord.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay, then we jump forward to N64. Mario 64. S tier.

[Tim Gettys]

That's S tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

A tier we jump forward to. Or actually, where are we at in the timeline? Is it GameCube? So we're talking about Sunshine, or am I missing Any like 2D things?

[Barrett Courtney]

I think. I think Sunshine was the next, I guess, Game Boy stuff.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, you're right. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So Mario Land, Mario Land one. I think we already put C. We placed Mario Land two and B. Mario Land one. We're putting in C. You said D is right there. You know, D is looking kind of lonely.

[Tim Gettys]

I just don't know that there's a D tier Mario game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, we'll get to Sunshine a second. Yeah, that's inside in a second.

[Tim Gettys]

That's insane to say. D tier, Mario.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm putting. I'm riding Mario Land one. And then, yeah, Sunshine.

[Tim Gettys]

B.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's D. B.

[Tim Gettys]

It's a B. It's low B, but it's a B. There's a lot about that game that isn't great. There was so much great about that game as well that like, I do not think that the bad outweighs the good at all. That like, that's.

[Barrett Courtney]

I would bring in one Andy Cortez if he wasn't busy and his thoughts on that stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

Man, he cares too much about frames per second to have an opinion on this.

[Barrett Courtney]

No, I. I think it's less the technical. Well, it's partially technical. Of like, how, bro? I don't know if it was the port versus the original because, like, my memories of the original are very hazy. But seeing his playthrough dealing with some of the design stuff in that game is fucking insane. Of like, how. How'd y'all spend six years making this?

[Tim Gettys]

This is crazy Counterpoint. I feel like if people are open to Flood being a fun mechanic, it's great. It's just. If you are just like, this isn't Mario 64.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'm not talking about Flood. I'm talking about like other level design things. In terms of bringing items from point A to point B on a map. In terms of like weird physics stuffs that breaks all the time, like Flood. I personally don't hate that much. I think everything around else around Flood is like, oof.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't have much of an opinion because the times I picked up Sunshine. I kind of didn't want to play more of it. Yeah. I don't know. I'm. I'm inclined to, I guess, B or.

[Tim Gettys]

C. I could see my, my thoughts on Mario Sunshine. The definitive Tim Getty's thoughts. Other people can have their opinions. It's a 7 out of 10 game and it just feels a lot worse because it's Mario and we expect Mario to be a 10.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

See. Okay. In. The place I'll jump in here is, you know, we're doing a tier list. It's not just any tier list. It's a Mario tier list.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And like, we got it. I think we. Not that we have to explore the spectrum of just, you know, skills in general, but I think there is a Mario scale where you talk about a Mario tier list. Sunshine. If we're ranking on the Mario games, Sunshine is going to be toward the bottom, isn't it?

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know. Like, I personally don't think it's towards the bottom. I think that it's just. I'd say it's towards the low mid. Like, I think that there's. It's better than sun or than land. It's better than land.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, okay. I'll give you that. If it's. If it's towards the low mid, I feel like that sounds like C tier to me.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I can. I. I'll accept that because I. I'm clearly not winning this here. That's fine.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Fair enough.

[Tim Gettys]

Fine.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We'll see what they put on the list. I'm excited to jump into this. All right. That was GameCube, I guess. Let's talk about DS in 3DS because what we got, the first new Super.

[Tim Gettys]

Mario Mario Brothers ds is, is a game that I think has aged poorly, was very important at the time. There's still something about it that I never liked. Like, I don't like the. The. Like that, to me was the turning point of, oh, shit. They're going to try to use the Mario 64 art style for everything going forward. And I think that that kind of homogenized Mario in a way that wasn't too great. And on the ds, I feel like the game tried a lot of gimmicks that I wasn't the biggest fan of of him turning big and being able to like, break all the stuff. Like, it just felt like more as opposed to like, interesting and fun. Having said that, I think the game is very, very, very high quality. And I think that the. It does a lot of subverting. Your expectations of like, how long it is. And I think it's a very well paced game. So I'd personally, I feel like it's a C, but I. I think, I think it's B.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay, I. I wouldn't be mad at C because, like, I think you think about the other New Super Mario Brother games that came after it. And like, there's even New Super Mario Brothers too. Right.

[Tim Gettys]

But I see that one I think is lower, so. Oh, no, I think the DS1 is one of the more. It's definitely one of the higher selling ones.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay, so you said C for that one. One that we didn't mention. Mario Brothers 64DS.

[Tim Gettys]

You're right. I doubt they put that as a separate one. That's another example of a game that like, does. It's kind of like. I think it's very apt actually to Super Mario Brothers Deluxe on the Game Boy, where it's like, it does some things better, but it does most things worse. And at the end of the day, the biggest problem with that game is it didn't have an analog stick.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. God, I can't imagine playing that without it. Without an analog. All right, so we just put down New Super Mario Brothers. Put 64. Let me delete the 64. I guess hop back to the.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm. I'm doing this all mentally of like the Mario games. So I guess you're doing this. Or New Super Mario Brothers 2. I guess we could probably just.

[Tim Gettys]

That was 3Ds.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, was it? Okay, yeah, let's do New Super Mario Brothers on the Wii. Slash galaxy. Slash Galaxy 2.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, cool. Yeah. So New Super Mario Brother Brothers Wii. We already ranked that, right? I think we put that in.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes, we already did. We put that in. B Galaxy 1 and 2, we've already ranked. So yeah, let's hop to New Super Mario. Or let's hop to New Super Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

Brothers 22 3DS 1. This one, to me is another victim of. It's not a bad game. It's just the timing of it. And like, we didn't need another one of these. And people were really anti New Super Mario Brothers already at this point. I think this is a C game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay. I remember the commercials. It's a lot of coins.

[Tim Gettys]

A lot of coins, man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

A lot of coins. I'll just write down new too. All right, from here, let's hop to, I guess, Wii U. Unless I'm missing something. 3D. 3D land.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, 3D land on the 3DS. Incredible. Game I. The problem with 3 with Mario 3D land is I think that 3D world just does everything it did better. Like, and some people. For some reason, there are people out there that, like, fight for land over worlds, and I want to understand where they're coming from, because I've 100 percented both of the games multiple times throughout my life at this point, and I really just feel like there's nothing that land does better. And in fact, I think does a couple of things worse just because of the nature of the power or whatever. It actually being in 3D was cool. And I think it's one of the better examples of 3D on the 3DS. Even then, I think 3D world proved you didn't need it. So Mario 3D lands. I'd say B, I love Mario.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Jim loves Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

I do.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, listen, I'm right there with you. 3D. So Mario 3D land, you're putting in B. I think we already placed Mario 3D World. Yes, we place Mario 3D World in a.

[Tim Gettys]

It's an A, but deserves S. That's all I'm saying there.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So then we hop to. Are we at Odyssey? No. New Super Mario Brothers Wii U, which we already placed, actually. Yeah, we already placed that in A. So, yeah, I think we're at Odyssey now.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Odyssey's S. Odyssey's S. Yes. Which we already put Bowser's Fury.

[Tim Gettys]

If we.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, we put it at B.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, that's. That's that. I think, like, if you're talking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I wonder.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, shuck, you're right. Wonder. Wonders.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

A. Yeah, I'm there with you. A. Yeah, that feels right.

[Barrett Courtney]

Okay, well, I'm trying to get it visually together here. I'm struggling to find sunshine. And we did. We decide we're not going to rank a DS or 64DS.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

64Ds?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I don't think we. And if we did, we'd put it with, I think, Mario Brothers Deluxe, which I also don't think we. We did. We need to decide about Mario Maker.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, yeah. I mean, is this list gonna do it? I guess if we're gonna do it ourselves. Right.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, Mario Maker, it gets tough because there's. There's three versions of it. There's Mario Maker, there's Mario Maker for 3Ds, and then there's Mario Maker 2. And the 3Ds port had a lot of Nintendo created Mario levels, some of them more inspired than I've experienced in a long time. But still, it feels like a lesser than port. It gets tough for me. I don't think they're going to separate those games if they're on the list. Is real good.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mario Maker 2 is really.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, it's eight here. It's like. Yeah, I don't really think that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's almost like I would put. Would it be fair to put both, like both Mario makers?

[Tim Gettys]

No. I think this is kind of similar to a land in 3D land and 3D world type situation where it's like, yeah, one would be a tier, but Tuesday. So does that change one? You know? Yeah, because I think two is just better than.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I guess two is. Yeah, two is technically better than one.

[Tim Gettys]

But I don't know. It needs to change.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But I feel like both of them are eight here.

[Tim Gettys]

They're both a tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If Maker 2 never came out, I'll still say you don't need to convince me, man. Yeah, it put them all in 18. Every Mario game put it in a tier. All right, Barrett, I think it's time to do the list. But before we do, are you prepped to tell people about patreon.com kind of funny and YouTube.com kind of funny games where you can go and get the kind of funny membership which allows you to get shows ad free. And speaking of ads, let us tell you about our sponsors.

[Tim Gettys]

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Before we hop into the list proper, Barrett, you can bring up you've visually updated our tier list that we've got going here for the Mario games which contains nothing under C tier and look.

[Tim Gettys]

Like here's the thing. Like this. What do you have to say else?

[Barrett Courtney]

This list must have been made before Wonder because I can't for the life of me find wonder on here. So wonder is just it's in A tier.

[Tim Gettys]

It's in the A tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There you go.

[Tim Gettys]

Now let's look at this for a second and just take in that in less than two weeks, we're probably going to see another S tier Mario. Don't do that to me, Tim.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me.

[Tim Gettys]

I believe.

[Barrett Courtney]

I love your belief, Tim.

[Tim Gettys]

I believe, baby. Let's freaking go.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Statistically, I don't know, we can't say for sure it's gonna be S tier. It could be C tier.

[Tim Gettys]

It could be.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Could be C tier.

[Tim Gettys]

It could. But you know, I got a good feeling.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If you're going by recent trends, I mean, if it's a 3D one, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. If it's a 3D Mario, there's like a one or like a four out of five chance here. We get another S tier. Come on. Yeah, let's go, man. Let's go.

[Tim Gettys]

So looking at this, there being no below C tier Mario game in your.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Heart of hearts, according to you.

[Tim Gettys]

Because I'm saying your heart of hearts. Can you stand by that?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No. Like no. Under C tier Mario game again, I just can't get through. Sunshine.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, Sunshine. The fact that sunshine is your hold up is. Yeah, Very funny to me.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sunshine. And then, I mean, aside from that for mainline. Yeah, aside from that, I think I stand by. I think I stand by it.

[Tim Gettys]

Looking at this one adjustment I think that I would like to make, if you may.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I think New Super Mario brothers, the original the DS is B.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

New Super Mario brothers, the original DS game.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. It's not C. I look at that next to those games, it doesn't belong.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You know what? I'll let it happen.

[Tim Gettys]

Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'll let it slide. All right. Barrett timid this time. Kotaku.com on March 10, aka Mario Day, they put up a list titled every super Mario game ranked from worst to best. I've not had eyes on this list. Tim's not seen it either. Barrett's not seen it either. Actually, I don't know if that's true. Bear's not seeing it.

[Barrett Courtney]

I've seen the first. I've seen the first entry, so the bottom one. But that's because of how the show goes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Barrett, do me a favor.

[Barrett Courtney]

What?

[Tim Gettys]

Can you count the games on our tier list and then add wonder? I want to know how many we had.

[Barrett Courtney]

So let's go back over here. Let's go. Okay, so I addition. Let's go. 6, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23.

[Tim Gettys]

And then does that include wonder?

[Barrett Courtney]

Yes, that includes wonder.

[Tim Gettys]

23.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's see how much this list has.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I like that. I should also note, this was written by Ethan Gotch. Echotaku. So, Ethan, the world is on your shoulders right now. Ethan. Don't mess this up. Ethan. All right, let's do. We're hopping in at number. Oh, this is like a slideshow. Okay. And they have 23 games.

[Tim Gettys]

23.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They have 23 games.

[Tim Gettys]

We had 23.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We had 23. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're on the pulse here.

[Tim Gettys]

We're cooking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But. But at number 23, Super Mario Run.

[Tim Gettys]

We'Re on the polls here.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's hilarious.

[Tim Gettys]

I love this shit list. Okay, let's talk about this. Never fails to deliver. I think what's happening is, did we include Yoshi's island on our list? Yes, that's what happened.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You think it was Yoshi's Island?

[Tim Gettys]

I think it's Yoshi's Island. They're not going to include Super Mario. They're including this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, but it's also a Mario 2D platformer. Like this. I would count this. I understand.

[Barrett Courtney]

I get it. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, no. I'm firmly against this one. But I also.

[Barrett Courtney]

Because it's bad doesn't mean it's not a Mario platform.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What's here?

[Tim Gettys]

Also not bad. Mario. Not bad.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What's here? Putting in C tier.

[Tim Gettys]

I'd put it in C tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Put it in C tier. All right. That's hilarious that we know the number well.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Super Mario Run, shout out. All right. At number 22, we got new Super Mario Brothers 2.

[Tim Gettys]

Yep.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think that. Yeah. That lines up with our calculations here at number 20. Maybe.

[Tim Gettys]

Maybe a little lower than I would have expected, but. Yep, it's in the right area.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, what else would you expect? Expecting.

[Tim Gettys]

I feel like I put this over land.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

And even Mario Lost levels, there's an.

[Barrett Courtney]

Appreciation for Lost level.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I appreciate it more than I appreciate this. Yeah. This is the most forgettable of the core Mario games, for sure.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. And I mean, I think that bears it, like, a large weight on it. Right. Like, at the very least, for lost Levels, there's like a history. There's, like, something special there. All right. For number 21, we got new Super Mario Brothers. This person does not. Ethan does not like New Super Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

Brothers, which I understand.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Tim Gettys]

And I mean, I. I expect that we'll probably see some of the better ones higher. This. I am, again, a Little surprised by being as low as it is, but we're talking about quality games, man, so.

[Barrett Courtney]

And in terms of like, at least this one, I don't remember playing the 3ds one. I must have owned it though. But, like, this never felt like playing this, like during lunchtime, like in middle school and shit. Like, it never really felt like it.

[Tim Gettys]

Stood out, you know, Dude, I mean, let me tell you, like, just being just a little older than you guys, this was the first 2D Mario in a decade. Like, this was a massive deal. And it was also on the ds. Like, and there was so much going to this that, like, this is a phenomenon of a game. But at the end of the day, I love it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Number 20, we got super Mario Land for the game boy.

[Tim Gettys]

Cool.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Above the new games, the New Super Mario, this game above both of them surprised me a little bit, but I guess, I don't know. I still think of Mario Brother, New Super Mario Brothers Wii as like the like, like better end of the New Super Mario Brothers games. I guess compared to the DS ones.

[Tim Gettys]

It was because the four player multiplayer. Yeah, again.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And that is, here's like the games in a nutshell is New Super Mario Brothers DS First 2D Mario game in forever. So big deal. And also was on the ds, which sold a bazillion units, which meant the game sold a bazillion copies. Then we got New Super Mario Brothers Wii, which was. Hey, it's four player. Yeah, that changed that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

With my siblings, I played that, my friends, all the time. I played the fuck out of the game changer.

[Tim Gettys]

Right. Once we got to New Super Mario Brothers Wii U and New Super Mario Brothers 2, that felt like, all right, y'all, what are we adding to this? It's just more.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, even though I think it's Mario, Wii U is the better game, but it is just more.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes. At number 19, we got new Super Mario Brothers Wii. Oh, man.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think that's fair.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Justice for my guy. Justice for my boy. I love this game, man. It's. It's the thing where it's definitely more of a how it hit for me personally rather than the quality thing because, like, I have fonder memories of this than I even have with New Super Mario Brothers. You. But that's just because, again, the experience is different. This, it was my first. I mean, I didn't have a ds. Right. And I'm sure for plenty of people, with so many people owning Wiis, this was probably their first instance of a New Super Mario game. Right. And like, to Tim's point of it being a decade since the last 2D Mario, I went from playing the out of Mario 3 with my sisters all the time growing up on their NES to jumping forward in time in our. Not adult, but I guess my college age self slash late high school self, maybe early high school playing New Super Mario Brothers. We alongside those same siblings and it being the first time they were doing something like this. Right. In like years and years.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And that was special.

[Tim Gettys]

It was special.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That was something cool.

[Tim Gettys]

Frog Night in the chat says at least Land has a soul. New Super Mario games felt so bland. I absolutely agree with you. I think that that is the biggest problem with the New Super Mario Brothers games that everybody got so sick of it because it had been a decade until we got it and then it was a decade that we had it and that was a problem. But at one point it did have a soul.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Like the. Adding the, the. The. All that stuff. There is a soul. You might not like the soul, but.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There'S a soul and there's a presentation to it too. Right. Again, not Having played the DS1 and playing the Wii1, there is something of how it feels to hop on a Koopa and like there's something to.

[Tim Gettys]

I guess I love that something.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The animation and the smoothness of it where like, yes, by the time you get four games in, it's tired. But that early in the process, like, I don't know, that did something that was cool to me that, that worked. All right, continuing on at number 18, we got Super Mario Land 2, 6.

[Tim Gettys]

Golden coins so far. I'm not mad at this list whatsoever.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Better than Mario Brothers Wii, dude.

[Tim Gettys]

This game, like, talk about soul. That's what this game has in Space. I got a plan. There is only, only like six levels, I think, and. But each one has maybe not every single one, but I'd say the majority of them are in a location that we have not seen before or since in a Mario game. Like there's some creativity in this shit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Barrett, I need you to go, go to my house, get my switch and Download Mario Land 2 and I'm going to play it.

[Tim Gettys]

Is it on? And so I imagine it must. I hope it is.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think. I think it is.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Somebody in chat Google if it's on there.

[Tim Gettys]

I played through this when I got my analog pocket like a couple of years back and on a. On a Christmas morning just happened to be Christmas, but it felt right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And I sat there on my couch and I beat it in one sitting And I was shocked at how short.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It was, but I mean, that actually works real well for me. I'll do that. All right, at number 17, we got Super Mario 3D land.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Okay, Ethan, we're cooking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It feels like Ethan is like on the pole. Like Ethan Gotch gets Tim Gettys.

[Tim Gettys]

He gets it, man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So far, Ethan gotcha's, I think nailing it for Tim Gettys currently at number 16. We got new Super Mario Bros. Uh, give me, give me a read.

[Tim Gettys]

Give me a read. What's he have to say? What's he have to say?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

By the time New Super Mario Bros. U Came along, the whole New Super Mario Bros. Series seemed pretty, pretty worthy of riding off. Their largely uninspired level design made the whole series feel like a soulless attempt to cash in on nostalgia for earlier Super Mario side scrollers with little understanding of what made people love those games in the first place. That all went out the window with New Super Mario Bros. U, which thankfully is not relegated to the Wii U on which it was first released, having gotten a Switch incarnation in the form of New Super Mario Brothers U Deluxe, which I wonder if, I wonder if he includes Deluxe in this. I wonder if this is like we're getting you and like the Wii U version.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, I think this is, this is the rep4.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Here at last was New and New Mario platforming with lively, varied levels that also did one of the things Nintendo does best, presenting a fairly easy but still fun and inventive challenge that most players of different skill levels can complete to get the satisfaction of beating Bowser, while also providing an intensely challenging and rewarding quest for those who wanted to to 100% the game and truly live or truly test their platforming skills.

[Barrett Courtney]

Hell yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

He goes on to say, if you're, if you overlook this game because you thought the new series just wasn't delivering on its promise, you may want to give this one a chance. It's a terrific 2D thrill, thrill ride that actually understands what makes the best Mario level design so good and sometimes even offers up exciting surprises of its own.

[Tim Gettys]

Ethan, great write up. This is a perfect example of like looking at the ranking. Didn't initially agree with it. After hearing that, I'm like, look, totally get it. Like everything he said about this game is how I feel about the game. Like the level design is impeccable. Some of the, the standout moments, like even the image you're looking at here, that background's beautiful with like the Aurora, Aurora Borealis type stuff. Obviously the starry Night level is a standout. There wasn't enough of those. That gas, dude. I feel like that level I have so much I want to fight for this game more than I think it's actually the best Mario game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, because I feel like it's just overhated. So everything you say in here, where it's at, I ain't mad at it. Let's keep going.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I do want to offer a correction. So the this full article is by Ethan, but this write up is from Carolyn Pettit. So I'm wondering if either he pulled it from the review they did or I've read a Carolyn still works for Kotaki. I think she still does. So I wonder. Yeah. If that was a. Hey contributed to the this article. But Carolyn did the write up. Even though Ethan. Ethan.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think the way it's written here, it looks, the way it reads seems more like a thinking back piece rather than oh, yeah, that's a good review.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's a good call. Yeah. So that was probably. Yeah. Carolyn probably just contributed.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Just contributors submit their rights for the games.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right.

[Tim Gettys]

At number Kebabs on TV in the chat says there's a full nine out of ten New Super Mario Bros. This game, but it's scattered across seven mediocre games. I don't fully vibe with what you're saying, but the intent. I'm there with you.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I feel that some would say New Super Mario Brothers is like the modern Eminem of video games.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what? Bless you gotta move on. God, I'm so out there with you. Where it's like, hey, we're getting a taste of what we used to like.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, man. At number 15, we got super Mario Maker.

[Barrett Courtney]

There you go.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So they. They are including Maker. Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

You and 3Ds. So they're including both together. I do think that if you combine them together, I think that boosts Mario 1 in or Maker 1 in my mind because the 3ds levels are awesome.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And number 14, we got Super Mario Brothers 2, aka the lost levels.

[Tim Gettys]

I know. 14.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Number 14. Hell yeah. I like this list.

[Barrett Courtney]

You gotta stream this. Plus you gotta stream this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, apparently this and then straight.

[Tim Gettys]

In the best ways.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

This and this in Mario Land 2 are gonna be on my priority list.

[Tim Gettys]

I love that for you, dude.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's gonna be a fun time.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. We should. I want to hang out with you. We should do it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, yeah, dude. If you want to do it here, I'm totally down to do it here. Is there a way I can play this on Switch. There must be right lost levels. Yeah, yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Switch Online and.

[Tim Gettys]

And Super Mario All Stars as well.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All Star. Oh, All Stars is on Online. On the Super Nintendo. Okay, gotcha. All right, that's number 14. At number 13, we got Super Mario Maker 2. This feels. I actually. I can't say it feels low because it's Mario. So, like, I know I gotta see what's above it.

[Tim Gettys]

And look, 13. Like, how many did we have an SN8 here, right? Like, there's. There's a lot. Now, the other thing about Mario Maker 2, it's a tough one because I feel like there was a lot of issues with the game. The curation of getting the levels, some of the. Even the making. Like the. The way that Maker 2 works compared to Maker 1 because we didn't have the Wii U gamepad anymore. Like, Mario Maker 2 had a couple, like, dings against it. Having said that, are we fucking kidding ourselves? Like, Endless Mario. Like, dude. I do think that there's an argument to be made, though, for Super Mario Maker 2. It's a too much chocolate type of thing where you get the seas. Can you get all of them? But then you might accidentally bite the one with the, like, red licorice stuff. You know what I mean?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

At number 12, we got Super Mario Brothers for the NES.

[Tim Gettys]

Respect.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, you know what this means, everybody? Number two is higher.

[Barrett Courtney]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

It is accurate.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You know what? I'm not mad at it. Think about, you know, what I did with you a lot.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what else that means, y'all?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What's that?

[Tim Gettys]

I wouldn't stand by this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

At number 11, we got Mario Brothers.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, there you go. Okay, there you go.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Back.

[Tim Gettys]

Remember the one I'm talking about? I'm gonna. I'm gonna save it, though, for the reveal. But let's keep going. Mario Mario Brothers, too.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think All Stars is going to be on this list.

[Tim Gettys]

I love this. I love this a lot.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

This game deserves.

[Tim Gettys]

It also deserves top 10. Oh, so what does that mean?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sunshine.

[Barrett Courtney]

That's crazy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I swear to God, if Sunshine is at number 10, it's gonna be hands. All right. At number 10, we got Bowser's Fury.

[Tim Gettys]

As its standalone entry. I respect it. Yeah, I respect it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's better than Sunshine, though. I'll play this.

[Tim Gettys]

Bowser's Fury is better than Sunshine.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

At number nine, we got. We got Super Mario World 2. Yoshi's island under Sunshine. I'm too happy about it.

[Tim Gettys]

Just might not be on the list.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, Sunshine's on this list. No, it's everyone.

[Tim Gettys]

Happy. You're right. It is everyone. And they included Yoshi's Island.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Wait, have we seen through a 3D game? No. Bowser's Fury. Never mind.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I'm so stoked about this. Like, Yoshi's island is just so freaking special. And like I said at the top of the show, like, I don't give a If it's technically a Yoshi game. Whatever. I want to talk about this game any chance I get. And if you haven't played it, you should play it. I forced Roger Pokorny to play it when he was 13 years old.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Good for you.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, we used to do video game book club. Oh, he did it. He played through this game. We talked about it on content.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So you chat asks a very good question. I think that's Pixel Elated Soul. What. What game is missing? That's good. I like that. Because they had 23 games. We had 23 games. One of the game was Super Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

Run, and they added Bowser's Fury as well. And they added Yoshi.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, we had.

[Barrett Courtney]

We had Bowser's Fury on ours.

[Tim Gettys]

Did we?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, we did.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, we did.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, we did.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, okay, cool.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'm trying to think of what else we would have missed here.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, there's some. And they have the Mario makers. So what are we. What's missing? Ferrets on the case.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean.

[Barrett Courtney]

Well, did they forget about Wonder?

[Tim Gettys]

No.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, because this was. I mean, this was on Mario Day. This is only 10 days ago. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Either way, that was number nine. At number eight, we got Super Mario Sunshine, man.

[Tim Gettys]

Sunshine above Yoshi's island, above Mario 2, above Mario 1.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Come on. Number 8. Listen, I understand. I understand Lichen Sunshine, all right? I'm not gonna judge you for liking Sunshine. Well, you like it more than most other Mario games.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, look. And again, people's personal opinions and experience and blah, blah, blah, nostalgia, how old they are. There's a lot of factors at play. I. In my personal tier list, I put Mario Sunshine and Mario1 in a very similar place. Flawed. I think that Mario one, I give way more credit for what it did at its time. Two or Sunshine. I think I take away a lot of things where it's like, you could have just done Mario 64 again, and I probably would have liked it more. But I think that there's a quality game, if not very flawed game here.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And number seven, we got Super Mario Brothers Wonder. All right, so they do have Wonder.

[Tim Gettys]

And again, I respect this, and I.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Think I like this ranking.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, me too, because I. I said this when the game came out. This game is phenomenal. So much freaking fun. But there's something about it that I don't think that it's the best Mario game ever. I wish it was.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I just love. Man, I love those Wonder Seed moments. This game does do something special for a 2D Mario game.

[Barrett Courtney]

Should have leaned more into it, honestly.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm excited to replay this one in a couple years.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's what I want.

[Tim Gettys]

I want.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I want. I want to hear how you think about it if you play, like, all the 2D games back. I know.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I want to see, like, the, like, juxtaposition of all right. New Super Mario Brothers Wii U into Wonder. Like, how does the level design really compare?

[Tim Gettys]

And we'll get to a similar conversation, because I have done that before, many years ago. When we get towards the top of.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The list at number the next one. They forgot to put the number on this one. We got number seven. We have Mario Odyssey, man. Cowards. I'll say it.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. That's. Again, we're talking about some of the best games of all time, but Mario Odyssey, I think in any best of Mario list, it should be in the top three.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, they're putting both galaxies above it, which I understand. That's the thing is it's. Even though I disagree and I want to be mad at it, I can't be mad for people being like, they, like, they're liking the Galaxy games more than Odyssey. Because Galaxy is magical. Yes. Like, it legitimately is like, a magical games.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like, there's gonna be a statement here at some point, because you know what else we haven't seen?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What's that?

[Barrett Courtney]

3D world on its own.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, you're right.

[Barrett Courtney]

So I. I like that they have, like, they're putting 3D world so high because 3D world.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Nah, that's some, man. That's some. You would. You're going to put three World above Odyssey.

[Tim Gettys]

I.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Above Odyssey.

[Tim Gettys]

I respect.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't say I agree with it, but I respect the statement because 3D World does.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm with Barrett at the end of the day, like, no, 3D world's not better than Odyssey.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We know that.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, but I do think that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, I like 3D World a lot.

[Tim Gettys]

In the conversation of quality. It's just. There is more. Odyssey is just more ambitious and pulls it off. So, like, I think that that goes a very long way.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

3D world doesn't have a New Donk City. You know what I mean? They don't have. What's the name of that song?

[Tim Gettys]

They have a Mario Kart level.

[Barrett Courtney]

They also have a Jump Superstar, but.

[Tim Gettys]

They have so many other great themes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They. They don't have that anime song on the moon that they sang.

[Tim Gettys]

They don't.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That was. Remember that? I do remember that, guys. Remember that. How punk.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like, like Anime Closer song.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It was awesome. Remember the darker side of the moon. What a time. I still don't think I've beaten that.

[Tim Gettys]

But see, even then Mario Odyssey, like, just to like talk about some of its flaws, I feel like there's for the most part the. Anything you do is going to result in a reward is a good thing. But I do think that there's a fair amount of filler that I think lessens the quality of some of the more well thought out moons. Because when you get. When you work really hard to get one and then you just get three back to back doing nothing, it can feel a little bit like, well, you could have just toned it down. There didn't need to be thousands of these fuckers, like really bundles, you know.

[Barrett Courtney]

And like, you know, I remember this being a big conversation with Breath of the Wild as well. And with this being the first year of the Nintendo Switch, both of those games very much felt like Nintendo designing the game specifically to. To be played possibly in like five minute chunks, which I think since then they've probably learned to balance a bit more in designing around that idea because I think they were scared about how people were going to play the Switch. But yeah, I do very much understand that It's a lot of filler.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm noticing something here at number. Number eight was Mario Sunshine and then they went to Mario Wonder and now number seven is Mario Odyssey. Does that mean Wonder is tied with Sunshine for number eight? Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Wait, what the.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Super Mario Brothers Wonder is the culmination. Is the full. They don't. They don't specify. So I wonder, is this a mistake?

[Barrett Courtney]

It's got to be a mistake.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think that's. I think they.

[Barrett Courtney]

Oh no, let's continue on.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think they fucked up the numbering.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh no, wait.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So is. Is that. I think that means nothing is missing, technically.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, they just added the one like 24.

[Tim Gettys]

Interesting. Okay.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, they fucked up the numbering.

[Tim Gettys]

That's so funny. So funny. Last thing I want to say about Odyssey though is that I feel like we, we. We glow about Odyssey a lot and it's well deserved. And I at any chance want to, because of how amazing it is. Mario's never felt better. And I think that's the most important thing about a Mario game is how good he feels. The rabid bad guys are detail.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes, you're right. I forget about. No, you're absolutely right.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't know what they were thinking with that. It was rough.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They're trying to do Bowser Kids, but not again. Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

They just didn't want to do. I liked the boss fight designs.

[Tim Gettys]

In terms of games gameplay. Yes. Fantastic stuff. But yeah, otherwise.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I do like the fact that we had. We had other boss fights though.

[Tim Gettys]

Right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like there was that dragon that was cool in the ruined kingdom. Why wasn't that an entire level?

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly. And then there's things like that. There's just like some of the coolest bits about this game I feel didn't go far enough.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But God, we're nitpicking a fucking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

For sure. For sure. All right, number six, we got Super Mario 3D World. Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

They got something to say.

[Barrett Courtney]

I fudgeing. Love it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Hey, I don't. I'm not mad at it.

[Barrett Courtney]

I. I just order a 3D world.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I got to accept that, like the 3D world is a fucking excellent game. Even if I don't love it as much as Odyssey and 64 and Galaxy, it still is like at least an A tier, if not S tier.

[Tim Gettys]

Amen.

[Barrett Courtney]

Some of the best content. Kind of funny.

[Tim Gettys]

We're at top five.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Top five. I mean, I think we already know what's going to be in here. So let's do the next two. At number five, we got Super Mario 64. Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I get it. Hey, top five plus we'll take this as a win.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Both Galaxies in top four. Spread the love a little bit.

[Tim Gettys]

Spread the love a little bit. Spread the love a little bit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right, we get it. You like Galaxy.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but.

[Barrett Courtney]

But if it was different and one of them was like much lower, you know, we would have been like, oh, they're just doing it just to separate them out a little bit, you know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. But I don't feel like we need to do.

[Tim Gettys]

And number Chun Chun. 2D2 says 3D world's better at being a course based Mario than Odyssey. Is it being a 64? Like in my opinion, you're absolutely correct there. But I think that Odyssey is more than a 64. Like, and I think that that's to its credit of how ambitious it is. But I also think that it takes away something that's special about Mario 64 that I don't think Specifically, we talk about enough. Because I know Tom Mario 64 now. It's like, okay, you old boomers, blah, blah, blah, camera sucks. And a lot of things that are true, like, I get it, whatever. But so many of the stars and the challenges are memorable as fuck.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Right?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, so many levels have goals that bring you to secrets and have big moments that you remember. Whereas Odyssey, I feel because of how it's. Every single thing is a win. There aren't as many memorable challenges.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, and granted there's some iconic ones and even some stupid ones like the jump rope. I'll always remember that. Yeah, it wasn't good, but I remember it. But I do think that that's just important to. To point out that sometimes more is just more.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I. I agree with that. I think that's a good call. And yeah, like when I think of Mario 64 and like some of those moments, right, of getting, getting to, oh, the first world where you go upstairs and it's the water world.

[Tim Gettys]

Wet, dry world.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Wet, dry world. Thank you. Of like finally figuring out how to get to the other part of Wet dry World is forever ingrained in my brain of how mind blowing of a thing that was because I was playing that game for what felt like forever because I was a kid and time was flat.

[Tim Gettys]

And obviously even, even those moments, you know, the tick tock clock and things that are so amazing in terms of like affecting the big, tiny giant island or whatever it is. I'd even go something simpler of like getting to the desert level and then getting into the pyramid.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what I mean? It's like.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And there being a whole world in there.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Fucking. Oh my. The winter. I mean, this level that's in the screenshot you're watching, right? The winter level. The second one where it is like when race you go, you go into the door in this museum room and then you look in the mirror and you see a painting and you're like, oh, wait, that's not. And then you hop into it and there's a fucking level there.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, yeah, this. Oh, my God.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So many. Just childhood defining moments. Shout out Mario 64.

[Tim Gettys]

You're top 64.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Top two in my heart. Top one probably at number four. We got super Mario Galaxy for the Wii.

[Tim Gettys]

Dude, I respect this list so fucking much, man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I respect it too.

[Tim Gettys]

The only thing that would break my heart is if Mario Galaxy 2 somehow isn't on here. But no, no, in this list they got the stuff.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I know Mario Galaxy 2 is probably number one. Right. If you're putting Mario Galaxy this high. You love Galaxy.

[Tim Gettys]

No. Oh, shit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So now we're at the top three.

[Tim Gettys]

Holy shit. Plus, you're bringing up some crazy shit. Yeah, I would.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Let's predict we're at the top three. You have Mario 3. You have Mario World. You have Galaxy. I bet they put Galaxy number one. I bet that's a stick.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think it goes Galaxy 2 at number one. Three. And then World.

[Tim Gettys]

I think it goes three. Galaxy 2, World.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think they're gonna do Galaxy 2. Number one. World and then three.

[Barrett Courtney]

Okay.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's gonna break. Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

We. Are we all different?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think we're all different.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah. Just by one.

[Tim Gettys]

All right, let's get into it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And number three, Super Mario Galaxy 2. Okay.

[Barrett Courtney]

Wow.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right.

[Tim Gettys]

All right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay. Ethan Gotch. Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

And I really respect that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Just putting them back to back.

[Tim Gettys]

Here's the thing, everybody. It always comes down to two. Mario three, Mario World.

[Barrett Courtney]

And that's why I thought two was gonna be number one, because I. I thought that they were gonna do something different because it always comes down to these two games.

[Tim Gettys]

I. I'm obsessed with this, and this is a personal quandary that I've had my entire life.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Of which one is better. And I have flipped back and forth many, many times, but in my old age, it's been quite a while since I have flipped. When I was young, I was sure that Super Mario World was the better game. There's. It's. It feels perfect. You can't get better than this. It looks amazing. The soundtrack's great. Everything about it is great. Great, great, great, great. Then I started thinking about it more playing Mario 3. Oh, my God. There's just so much variety in the levels. There's just so much variety in the world.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

There's so much creativity when it comes to the power ups and all that. I'm going three. And then I'd go back and play World again. I'd just be like, but I mean, God, this game has such a good.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Presentation, and so it's such a tight game. But then also the art style is so good also the music is so good also. You guys go, God, come on. But I am. I'm a three guy.

[Tim Gettys]

But then for the last 10 or so years, I played them back to back and I was 100% each one. And I personally feel like three is the better game. And I personally feel it's not actually a debate.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Wow. Wow.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'm with Tim. We've talked about this before. Where it's like, for the longest time, it was world for me. I had way more nostalgia for world, way more love for world as a kid. And then playing it as an adult, it just. It's not as big of a gap, but it does feel like a gap in terms of design, in terms of how things are interconnected together. To me, that makes Mario 3 still, like, the top tier.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I'm also a three guy.

[Tim Gettys]

Again, the thing is, worlds, like, we were talking about the field, to me, that is the most important thing. Mario has never and will never feel as good in 2D as he did in worlds. Like being able to grab items and throw them up. Like, the control spin, There's a jump. It's just. It three doesn't have that. But three has, I just think so much more Nintendo magic and creativity and the way that secrets are presented even in three. Like, I think it's like a step above. The mini games are better in three. Boss fights, I'd say are fairly on par between the two games.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But the airships are way more interesting than the fortresses.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

All right. At number two, we got Mario Brothers three. We could. We. We knew.

[Tim Gettys]

I know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We knew. That's the thing, is these lists are more often than not going to put World over three, and I'm not mad at it.

[Tim Gettys]

Wait a minute.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What was that? No, number one was Super Mario World, if that's what you're wondering. Wait, what number two was Mario three? Number one is Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

We didn't even get to that. Holy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. No, that's what I just said. You missed it. Barry just clicked through fast. But yes, Mario 3. Sorry, Mario 3 was number two.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm here yapping my ass off. I thought we came to. I thought we're all, like, we all agree. Oh, no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We hadn't revealed it yet.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

How did you get yourself into forgetting that we had to reveal the rest of the list?

[Tim Gettys]

Let myself into a shoot, baby. I did it. I did it. That is so funny. I thought the three of us were like, you know what? We worked hard. We did a great job. Number three is number one. Oh, no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Already doing a victory lap. Forgot to finish the race.

[Barrett Courtney]

Oh, no, that's good.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, that's so funny. Yes. No. Mario 3 in the official list from Kotaku is number two. Their number one is Mario World. Oh, that's so fucking funny.

[Tim Gettys]

That is so freaking funny, man. And you know what? At the end of the day, I am not even mad at it. I do think there are tastes, there are opinions and when you're talking about some of the best games of all time, there are factors at play that are above all of us.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes, exactly.

[Tim Gettys]

When it comes to Mario 3, Mario World, Mario 64, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, and maybe even a couple more, I get it. If you're gonna fight, I'll fight that fight with you.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

When you got. When you got two tens standing next to each other, just be happy. You got two tens in the room with me. You got two dimes in the room with you. Like, come on, just be happy. Just be happy, y'all. All right, we did it. Is this the list or is this list the shit? Or is it shit?

[Tim Gettys]

This list is the shit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm giving this a strong thumbs up.

[Tim Gettys]

There was a lot of thought put behind this. This was not a let's just get it out there type thing. Kotaku put their. Their. Their full ass into this. Of like, hey, we need to be respected here. And you know what? I respect your team at Kotaku.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I respect you. Ethan Gotch, Good job. Carolyn. Good job. Everybody else that worked on this list, good job. Into the kind of funny audience. Good job because you just made it to the end of a kind of funny games cast.

[Tim Gettys]

Kylo Rich says the Oscar winner is La La Land.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Says Tim. That is really good, good bit. Ladies and gentlemen and mbs, that brings you to the end of this episode of Gamescast where each and every weekday we get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games live on YouTube, Twitch and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the kind of funny membership on Patreon or YouTube to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive Show. Catch today's KFCD on YouTube or on podcast services and know that until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you.

[Tim Gettys]

That was a great one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That was fun.

[Tim Gettys]

That was.