Greg & Tim's Video Game Future - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: Greg & Tim's Video Game Future

Date: May 22, 2026
Hosts: Tim Gettys & Greg Miller

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Episode Overview

Tim Gettys and Greg Miller sit down for an intimate, throwback-style Gamescast, focusing not on trending news but on their personal journeys with video games: how their habits and content consumption have evolved, how they’re aging with the medium, and if they foresee a future where they might "age out" of playing. Their conversation is packed with gaming nostalgia, deep dives into games media, their paths as industry professionals and fathers, and reflections on what keeps their passion for gaming alive.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: A Throwback Conversation

[01:32–02:29]

• Tim and Greg embrace an "OG Spare Bedroom" energy, focusing on their own relationship with games and media, rather than the usual games news or reviews.

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2. Pac-Man Snack Breaks Tangent

[02:29–05:23]

• Greg receives a mysterious Pac-Man-branded package, leading to banter around Pac-Man’s marketing, anniversary, and retro branding ("Happy Pack Day!").
• Memorable Quote:
  Greg Miller: “Lick, wince and dip. I’m gonna chase people around and try to eat them.” [05:28]

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3. The Core Topic: Are We Getting Too Old for Video Games?

Framing the Issue

[06:03–07:17]

• Are Tim and Greg “too old” for gaming? Will they ever be?
• Tim notes that while his way of consuming games hasn’t changed much over the years, Greg’s has evolved.

Shared Origins & Divergence

[07:17–09:59]

• Both grew up on video game magazines (e.g., EGM, Nintendo Power) and cherished editors/writers as personalities.
• They reflect on reading magazine content cover to cover, even about games or systems they didn’t own.
• The age gap (six years) meant Greg entered the industry as print faded, while Tim’s formative years were more online/forum based.

The End of Print, Rise of Digital

[10:06–11:25]

• Greg discusses “Reset” magazine from Kepler Interactive and the nostalgia/purpose of print in an age of fleeting digital content.
• Tim highlights a new generation of high-quality, art-focused gaming magazines (Lost in Cult, Game Informer).

Forums, Blogs, and Community

[13:14–21:18]

• Tim’s lifelong consumption of gaming forums, from NeoGAF and GameFAQs to Reddit, contrasts with Greg’s trajectory of moving from blogs (1UP, IGN editor blogs) to Twitter/X and direct community interaction.
• Greg’s experience: Forums never really clicked; he preferred the immediacy of community through blogging and later, social media.
• Greg notes that his current habits involve aggregating news and discourse through Reddit and curated social media lists, with less personal content creation outside of official channels.

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4. How Each Consumes Games Media

[21:18–28:42]

• Tim: Passive forum reader, avid consumer of games video content (Giant Bomb, IGN podcasts, YouTube creators like Jake Baldino, NakeyJakey); rarely posts, mostly reads and watches.
• Greg: Prefers reading over watching, listens to articles/podcasts in transit, especially those with a different style, like Chris Plante’s “Post Games.”
• They both seek out niche, “super-dialed in” content around specific games when their fandom peaks (e.g., Greg listening to Diablo and Monster Hunter podcasts).
• Memorable Quote:
  Greg Miller: “Being a magazine kid, I love reading. So even when it is an IGN review, I’m going to read the IGN review rather than watch the video.” [24:36]

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5. How Age & Fatherhood Have Changed Their Gaming

[32:12–33:32]

• Both hosts reflect on how life, especially fatherhood, reshapes their gaming—less multiplayer, more single-player experiences that you can pause.
• Even so, both remain passionate and dedicated to gaming as a core hobby.

Personal Gaming Histories

[33:32–38:24]

• Greg: Consistency since youth, with minor doubts as a teenager about “growing out of it.” Played most during the PS3 era (reviewing games at IGN with fewer responsibilities).
• Tim: Always Nintendo-focused, biggest “falloff” was during the PS3/360 era due to finances and college, but never lost the itch. Now plays more than ever due to access (and job duties).

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6. Keeping Up With Gaming—Now and in the Future

[39:07–53:10]

• Will Greg and Tim ever age out of keeping up with major game releases?
  • Both are emphatic: no. They see themselves staying current for decades, as long as the industry exists.
  • Greg sees a future where Kinda Funny ages with its audience, possibly bringing in younger voices but always maintaining that “grown adult” perspective.
• Would they keep buying every console if they weren’t in the industry?
  • Greg: Would always own a PlayStation, probably a Switch, maybe Xbox depending on financial comfort, but decisions would still be content-driven (which games compel).
  • Tim: Nintendo and PlayStation forever for him, Xbox only if the games are compelling, but always ensuring he has access to the experiences that excite him (possibly through PC).
• Both prioritize experiences and ease of use over collecting hardware.

Commitment to Gaming Long-Term

[53:10–54:23]

• Both would likely continue playing and covering games for their lifetimes, unless something dramatic changes the industry or their circumstances.
• Gaming remains their “priority investment” and key personal hobby.
• Memorable Quote:
  Greg Miller: “As soon as Ben says it’s time for me to go to the home, put me in the home, let me play games... I will still be doing a podcast from the nursing home.” [41:30]

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7. The Work/Life Dynamic: E3, SGF, and Burnout

[54:23–61:17]

• Greg and Tim reminisce about the old E3 grind, recognizing how fatherhood and adulthood add complexity to travel/events.
• Despite the extra logistics and exhaustion, their love for major gaming events never fades.
• Burnout? Not really, for either—video games as a job still feels like a dream compared to their past jobs. If anything, it's dealing with others’ burnout that’s more challenging.
• Memorable Quote:
  Greg Miller: “Every day at IGN, and every day at Kinda Funny feels like a vacation. That was a real job where I had to do real work and deal with real things. Here, we get to talk about toys.” [60:12]

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8. Super Chats & Notable Audience Interactions

[31:15 on, interspersed through episode]

• Listeners ask about their favorite consoles, habits as aging gamers, feelings about game dev cycles (e.g., GTA VI), and the logistics of getting review codes and balancing work/life during chaotic game release seasons.
• Greg gives a transparent rundown on how review embargoes, code distribution, and holiday crunches affect coverage:
  “We’re a very specific company where that’s our stance on it… play as much as you can. Enjoy your weekend. Do not change your plans.” [64:23]

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9. Reflections & Closing Thoughts

[67:32–End]

• Both hosts strongly believe the magic of gaming will keep inspiring them far into the future—if anything, the sense of wonder, creativity, and community is more important than ever as they age.
• The episode closes with mutual gratitude for the audience, a reminder that supporting and sharing these conversations is what keeps them going.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Greg Miller:
  “We are the first generation to grow up with video games. They exist for us now in the same way that books, music, film, fashion, and art have done in the past…” [09:14]
• Tim Gettys:
  “Every day I am watching some videos… and I’m not saying I listen to every episode of anything, but like, I am watching YouTube constantly.” [23:34]
• Greg Miller:
  “I can’t imagine retiring. Like, this is all I wanted… as soon as Ben says it’s time for me to go to the home, put me in the home, let me play games.” [41:30]
• Tim Gettys:
  “I prioritize the stuff in my life. I don’t go on insane vacations… I invest in experiences that mean something to me. And ease of use of gaming in my house is one.” [51:49]
• Greg Miller:
  “No, I don’t burn out. It’s what annoys the shit out of Jen. She… works at Pop Agenda. The last thing my wife wants to do anymore is talk about video games… whereas I could play Starfield for 12 hours on a stream and you bet your ass I’d love to come home and play more.” [61:12]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:32] Show start; Tim & Greg’s throwback mood
• [02:29] Pac-Man Snack Breaks tangent
• [06:03] Main Topic: Are we too old for gaming?
• [09:59] Reset magazine; print nostalgia
• [13:14] Rise of Digital; divergence in media consumption
• [21:18] How Tim & Greg consume content
• [32:12] Fatherhood and gaming
• [33:32] Gaming habits through life
• [39:07] Gaming future: will they keep up forever?
• [45:39] Hypothetical: would they buy every system if not in industry?
• [54:23] E3/SGF grind, work/life, and burnout
• [60:12] “Every day at IGN…and every day at Kinda Funny feels like a vacation.”
• [67:32] Closing reflections; gaming’s magic as lifelong wonder

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Final Thoughts

Tim and Greg’s dynamic makes this episode a reflective love letter to video games and the shifting ways adults—especially longtime fans and industry folks—can engage with a medium that ages, innovates, and endures alongside them. Their honesty about personal habits, professional evolution, and what really keeps the passion alive is insightful and relatable for anyone who ever wondered if they might someday be “too old” for games.

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For listeners:
Let them know in the comments if you think you’ll ever be too old to play video games—or how your own playing and media habits have changed over the years!

Transcript

[Tim Gettys]

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[Greg Miller]

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[Tim Gettys]

What's up everybody? And welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Friday, May 22, 2026. Of course. I'm your host, Tim Gettys. I'm joined today by Greg Miller.

[Greg Miller]

Hi, Tim, how are you?

[Tim Gettys]

I'm good. How are you?

[Greg Miller]

I'm good. I'm excited for this gamescast.

[Tim Gettys]

Me too.

[Greg Miller]

We don't get to just compose like this feels like OG Spare Bedroom.

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly. Like. Let's just have a conversation about us. Let's see where it goes.

[Greg Miller]

Esp. I mean, we came off hot of a Games Daily. But no break.

[Tim Gettys]

Good energy. Yeah, no break. Good energy. You teetered on that level of like. Okay, you don't need to insult individuals that we know and love.

[Greg Miller]

Kyle Stevenson.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, God.

[Greg Miller]

Watch games daily.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah. Then you also went off on many rants about money.

[Greg Miller]

Money. Yeah, we don't need. I want to again. There needs to be a clear break between Games Daily means gamescast. Exactly. And that's why I thought, why not have a Pac man snack break?

[Tim Gettys]

Why not? Speaking of breaks, here we go.

[Greg Miller]

I got this today. I had no fucking idea why, but it Roll show. It's a Pac man branded Pac man snack breaks.

[Tim Gettys]

Do you know. Do you know what Pac man snack

[Greg Miller]

breaks Is I googled to see if I had signed up for something I might mail. Right. And I have. I do have. Pac man connects the dots across. This is a press release I got across generations with new animated shorts, live events and fruit ninja collab for for Pac May celebration. Pac May.

[Tim Gettys]

That's stretching it.

[Greg Miller]

Bando Nameka is powering up to celebrate Pac Man's birthday with Pac May using the theme connect the dots. Pac May is a month long celebration. Am I saying it enoughy? Pac May kicks off with the first ever teaser trailer for Pac Man Snack Breaks animated shorts. Bandai Namco is in partnership with Studio Cartoona produced the animated series which follows Pac man as he leaves Pac Village for the fast paced neon sprawl of New Pac City. We're every fuck out of here.

[Tim Gettys]

Don't talk to me about New Pac City.

[Greg Miller]

It debuted today, it turns out on YouTube.com pac city.

[Tim Gettys]

Pack, pack city, bitch.

[Greg Miller]

So you go to YouTube. It went back. It's on the Pac man official account. 66,000.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's get in there, man. Okay, I want to know. I'm feeling a little snacky.

[Greg Miller]

You want to know? Well, there you got your Pac Man, Pac man popcorn.

[Tim Gettys]

Popcorn.

[Greg Miller]

Then you got Pac man snack breaks. Popcorn.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Don't want popcorn right now.

[Greg Miller]

Oh my God. Before I could see. What? I don't even. I have a theory because before we

[Tim Gettys]

get in here, like I thought there was going to be a lot of gummy candy and I wanted some gummies.

[Greg Miller]

Well, you're not. I. Yeah. What I have here. The first words I saw were lick, period, dip, period. Wince, wince. And a crossover collab. Hank and Quinny, you warp into the iconic maze, sample the local produce and get some wisdom from their hero, Pac Man. The three pixelated powerhouses boost their sour stamina, perhaps by dipping Pac man shaped pineapples into level three sour watermelon powder. So this is like a dipping dots thing? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

No, not dipping dots.

[Greg Miller]

No, no. Fun dip.

[Tim Gettys]

Fun, fun dip. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Pac man cross final boss sour. All right. Got that in there.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

Then we have a little card this Pac man snack breaks get cozy and a snack along with get cozy and snack along with Pac man and friends on May 22nd. That's today. Hashtag Pac Man Day. Celebrate Pac Man's birthday by watching the premiere episode of Pac Man Snack Breaks only on the PAC man official YouTube channel.

[Tim Gettys]

Happy birthday, Mr. Man.

[Greg Miller]

New episodes monthly, new episode every month.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

And then. Oh, they got a party hat for you.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

Got a Pac man blanket for me. Now you might say, I didn't know if Pac man was sponsoring this. They ain't. Mysterious package shows up at our. That's free content. I'll use it.

[Tim Gettys]

Is it a soft blankie?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, it's one of those good. This would be a good dog blanket. When the dog.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Oh, wow. Pac man, he's there.

[Greg Miller]

He's big, but he's back in blanket form.

[Tim Gettys]

You should leave it on Blessings desk,

[Greg Miller]

everybody. Happy pack day.

[Tim Gettys]

Happy pack day. Enjoy and celebrate however you feel appropriate and safe.

[Greg Miller]

Lick, wince and dip.

[Tim Gettys]

Lick, wince and dip. I'm gonna chase people around and try to eat them. Eat the fruits, eat the. Hi. You can be part of this show by super chatting.

[Greg Miller]

This is the energy. Get on board. That's kind of funny.

[Tim Gettys]

Games. If you want us to talk about anything, honestly, we have a topic. We're going to talk about that topic. But if you want to derail us, feel free, you know, feel free to super chat in. Shout out to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney the Psalm twining. Let's start with the topic of the show. The topic is me and you, Greg.

[Greg Miller]

That's right.

[Tim Gettys]

Are we too old to play video games? Will we ever be too old to play video games?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Lay this on. Cause when we were. I set up the schedule and I was like, all right, cool. Blessings out. Mike is out doing his thing or coming back from his thing. Obviously. There's a million reviews going on. You and me should just tackle the games cast together like the old days. That way everybody gets to go do what they need to do and yada yada, everything's going. And you submitted this idea, which you originally framed it just about me, which I kind of felt offended by. Are you gonna be too. Are you. You're like, what. How you do games now or whatever.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think I. Mainly that was because I've noticed more of a shift in you and I was more as I was thinking about you and how you consume games, how you can have. How you consume games and how that has changed over the years of me knowing you.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Whereas I feel like the way I've consumed games I don't think has changed too much since I've known you.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Right.

[Greg Miller]

And also, I mean, you play PC now. And it's not to say you never played PC, but you built a really awesome PC. You request more PC codes. True, but I'm thinking of a granular level. That's why I want you introduce your topic.

[Tim Gettys]

No, but I like it. I mean, that's kind of what it is. It's just like, how have you changed? But it's not just playing games. It's consuming games, period. Right.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And a lot of this came from the EGM episode that we did last week, where it's like I was thinking about how interesting it is to me how often I am consuming games, media or games discourse via forums and reddits and things like. And my entire life's been that way. I grew up with video game magazines, which I know you did as well.

[Greg Miller]

Hell yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And I feel like we've shared many stories about having a very similar upbringing, a couple years apart. But like, we were reading these magazines and they. They meant the world to us and we cared about the actual editors writing the. The stories. And. And we would read things even if we're not. If we didn't own the systems or whatever. We just cared about the.

[Greg Miller]

You consumed everything. Yeah. You got this for one month. You paid however much you paid for it. So you consumed that entire magazine and read about games you would never, ever play.

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly. And then there was the Internet age. Right. And I think that the difference between me and you is that couple year difference between me and you, which is five, six years, something like that.

[Greg Miller]

83 for me.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I'm 89. So. Okay. Six years.

[Greg Miller]

Ghostbusters. Two year.

[Tim Gettys]

Thank you very much.

[Greg Miller]

I have more visual.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, I can just do it right away.

[Tim Gettys]

Go for it.

[Greg Miller]

Do you want to? Because this is very much in line. I'm not.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, no. There's no. There's no.

[Greg Miller]

Rails to D to Reset magazine, issue one.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

This is from Kepler Interactive, the publisher of Expedition. They decided. Exactly. They decided to put out a magazine and they hit me up like, do you want one? I said, yeah. This is Reset, a magazine about video games and culture. We are the first generation to grow up with video games. They exist for us now in the same way that books, music, film, fashion, and art have done in the past as a core element of the media spectrum. Still a young medium, but already vastly evolved from the isolated and insular art form, it began as. And with a new generation of young, diverse and experimental creatives breaking into the space set to expand even further. Video games are a culture. Reset magazine exists to highlight video games as a core element of the culture. A current cultural landscape inspiring and influencing culture across architecture, fashion, music, and art, and being inspired and influenced by these areas. In turn, Reset celebrates game designers as key creatives in contemporary cultural output and brings them together with designers, musicians and artists. From a broad spectrum of the current cultural space, documenting and highlighting key moments in people from along this reclusive loop. And this is like obviously it's an interesting one because yes, Kepler Interactive is a publisher. They published Expedition 33 right back exactly. The first interview, the big interview they're doing is with the director of Expedition 33. So clearly it's to a degree, if not the entire thing, self promoting and doing this idea.

[Tim Gettys]

But guess what, what was some of our favorite magazines back in the day? Nintendo Power, oxm.

[Greg Miller]

This is Alexis, the CEO of Kepler. Right. You might be thinking, why a magazine? Why now? As we head towards an ever more ethereal future, why spend the time, resources, late nights on something so permanent, so fixed in time, something that can't be patched or updated? We created Reset magazine not just as a celebration of video games and culture, but as a beacon of our appreciation for the permanence and timelessness of the medium against a world that is accelerating towards the impersonal and fleeting. The through line of our first issue is of course how video games and culture intersect interactions. But it's also about the importance of recognizing craft and ideas that withstand culture and trans cycles. As the first generation to grow up with video games, we felt it was our. It was pertinent to reconnect with the magic we once felt of discovering video games through a few lines of text in some grainy screenshots in a magazine. That's not because we want to live through nostalgia, but because it represented a time of discovery, of shared connection and of cherishing what was tangible. Our goal was to distill the soul of what Kepler Interactive is through these pages to re engage with the power of print media at a time when it most needs to be treasured. We have curated stories from some of the leading creators in culture and video games, both to interrogate the cultural context of the present and to act as catalyst for the shift in perspective of the future. Lofty, very cool goal.

[Tim Gettys]

It's incredibly cool and also I love how premium this is. Everything about it, the the paper quality is insane. There's like a incredible nice sheen on all this stuff. And you can just tell this is a passion project and a lot of love put into it. And what I love about the current state of video game magazines is that seems to be the case kind of across the board like you look at Lost in Colt and everything done that is less a magazine but more of like it's magazine styled but in a much more like premium book format. But they do incredible work over there. And Game Informer like such a huge shout out to them continuing to release the magazine even though we're in a world where especially given them not being owned by GameStop anymore, that's a lofty thing to have to pull off.

[Greg Miller]

29 minutes ago in my inbox from Game Informer. One year of Game Informer and what's next. 12 months ago we relaunched one of our legacy brands in ga. One of the legacy brands in gaming through the return of Game Informer now presented as a premium magazine for dedicated gamers. Today it's a reality because you helped us bring it back. Between your subscription and the noise you made for us on social media, you've been the engine behind every deep dive feature and cover story we've published. We aren't standing still. We have massive plans for the year ahead, including an incredible slate of upcoming exclusive cover stories, interview with industry luminaries and insight into the shared gaming hobby we all love. And then it goes on to talking to look back the renewals going forward. Like fuck yeah. So happy to give them my money.

[Tim Gettys]

Me too. And yeah, getting the Game Informer every month and just seeing especially because of how art focused they are at this point. Like it is a beautiful magazine. Like it, it really is. No nonsense and I just really love and appreciate that stuff. But the point I was making is like once the. No, no, it's fine.

[Greg Miller]

This is all part of this magazines for both of us and then yes

[Tim Gettys]

this divergence point but once the magazines kind of faded out because there was a moment where it's like there was still video game magazines but then there was also the Internet. Like There was the IGN and there was OneUp.com and then there was GameFax Games spot like a lot of different types of ways to consume video games and this is in a pre social media world but it still functioned very similarly because of forums and because of blogs and comment systems there and all of that. So that to me is the, I think the biggest difference in my mind between me and you is because of that six year difference you were getting into the industry closer to that the actual end of magazines. Right. Because like oh yeah, 2007 I was

[Greg Miller]

there with for the final EGMs. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And so the final EGMs and then eventually EGM came back and they tried to do a premium thing and that was I think a little too early for that level of thing. I love that magazine though.

[Greg Miller]

But what if we brought back egm?

[Tim Gettys]

Oh my God, I, I just love the idea of you starting at ign, literally, you being like the first class really of people that are making digital Internet video game content purely where magazines at that point didn't exist. Game Informer did you know there were still magazines like Kicking, but like they were getting trounced by the Internet in a way that wasn't true even just like three years before that for you.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But while you were doing that, I was living on forums like I was every day reading about video games, reading people's thoughts on games and all of that. That has never stopped for me. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Ever.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. No matter how long I've been doing this, being an ign, all of it, every day. I'm still consuming video game forms back in the day, NeoGAF reset era. Now so many different reddits every once In a while, GameFAQs like all of that. And I've never gotten the vibe that that's who you are.

[Greg Miller]

No. And it's a fascinating comparison because again, it's nice to see have a conversation where I get to look through your lens at me and then also explain who I am, I think on this level, and I think you make some salient points there of the six years and the transition to the industry and everything else. So stick with me for, I think where, yes, I've never been a foreign person. In the old days I would go when I was the most desperate and I mean the most obsessed about a game. That was when I would go to GameFAQs and it wouldn't be for the FAQ, it would be, I can't stop dreaming about playing the new NCAA football. So I go to the NCAA Football forum where on GameFAQs where everybody's talking and sharing and what are they going to do? And then eventually uploading rosters and yada yada, it would be that thing where when I was just too much steam in the kettle and needed to see someone nerd out about a very specific thing, I would go there and do it. Because yes, magazines became dot coms and for me and my consumption habits. Right. But at the same time of them becoming the dot coms. For Greg Miller, the forum idea really became the blog thing. You know, I talked a lot about it, a little bit about it in our EGM episode last week that thank you all for loving so much, we'll do it again, don't worry, we'll find a better way to headline it. But one of my things there was I was such a one up kid because again, being that EGM kid, knowing Shu, knowing Crispin And I mean, knowing them through the page, through the review crew, knowing the little bio every month, when suddenly it was now we're on one up and we all have these pages and you can comment on them and you can talk to. I would send messages to somebody and they would respond, Mark McDonald, right? And they would respond back. It was like, what the fuck? Like I'm. I can do. And so like, I was die hard Ride or Die One Up. Every day on one Up. I like when they introduced the ability to make clubs. Like I made the Portillo's fan club or whatever. Kleppig joined and this is after he'd already like done his internship there. And I was like, I hate this kid that he got my dream, but still cool to join my thing. And it was like doing that. And then I was blogging there not, I don't think consistently enough. You know what I mean? Back to why I got hired at ign, the way I got hired, like, it was funny, I was consistent with it. But I was doing content on 1up. I was, you know, my first byline was on 1up. When they asked for like, you know, there was a thing about the game you wanted you knew was a mistake. And I wrote about Superman 64. Like that was a clip I shared for years in my IGN and everywhere else when I'd submit, like, hey, I'm trying to get hired. Here's me my writing. But stick with me when that happens and that takes over, then I go and I get hired at ign, right? Where they have their own blog system, which I always thought, you know, paled in comparison to one up. But it was there and it was great and they had a leaderboard and that was always fun. And for a long time, Jess was always the top editor blog. And then when I overtook her, I was like, ah, this is amazing. Every day I blogged there. And not only that, I got to know the community, right? That's where Javi Rodriguez was. That's where Brit Bromrocker was like Fozzie, like all these different folks, beesball. Like they would be blogging as well and you'd interact there and talk about games and what they thought and where it was, let alone then writing for the site and reviewing and previewing and doing the news. And so suddenly IGN becomes the hub of everything I do. And before, I guess the blogs were already running. There was also then the IGN boards and IGN boards were just so toxic that all. All it was is the requirement was when you wrote an article on IG and you had to go to the board for IGN, PSP, PS3, whatever it was, or if it was multiple things and post the link there so people could talk on it there or whatever. And so I never spent time there. I spent it specifically there, interacting with people. And then why I think I never need to go be a Boards kid is that I would talk about the community of IGN and one up to a degree. But now I'm at Ignition. I think that is such a normal transition then to Twitter. I think that golden age of Twitter where it was. Well, now I'm in the same way. I was following Crispin and Shu or whoever on1up.com. Now I'm following them and fucking Denzel Washington or whoever the fuck you are on Twitter, right? And like, again, I know how much X sucks and I know how much the I've left it, right? Like, it's just horrible. Nothing good comes from it anymore, in my opinion. And even the end of Twitter was like that, obviously. But there was such a glorious, amazing time when Twitter was just celebrities and you and your friends and nobody just talking and bullshitting. And then you're. You're DMing with somebody you shouldn't be. Like, not shouldn't be. But, you know, I mean, like, there's no. I would never have the chance to DM with Aisha Tyler if it wasn't for Twitter, right? Like, she was never going to come to one UP or ign. So it's like there was this connective tissue that was amazing. And that's what social media became for me. In the same way, I imagine you go and look for whatever you're looking for in your forums. I want to know about the games and genres I care about, which is why I've curated a list of people I follow or care about and then look at it. And now as I'm an old man, really, it is just, you know, I mean, it's grub. I could go to Giant Bomb and look at that. It's Piscatello with news and numbers and Shrier. But I'm going to. I'm going back to dot com's way more where it's rather than. Because again, I've lost my taste for social media in general. Like, it's just not the same deal anymore. So, like, I love Instagram, but that's not a news thing. That's just sharing and bullshitting, right? I love the Patreon quips because it's us talking directly to an audience, which again, I think hearkens so much back to hey, I just have a blog on oneup. I'm just putting up my stupid thought and like the people who care about me on you can get a free account patreon.com kindafunny and just follow the quips there. Like I like that. And then I'll go to an IGN in the morning. Usually just IGN if I'm doing news, obviously Kotaku and Gamespot and everything else. But what is the big miss? And honestly I guess this is falls into the gaming thing a little bit. Reddit. I do love Reddit and, and so

[Tim Gettys]

that's interesting because I, I was talking to G a little bit last night about doing this episode today and I was kind of explaining she's like wait, don't. Aren't you guys like just very similar with all this? And I was like no, there's actually like a lot of just little differences because even everything you just said about the, the forums and stuff I never posted on forums ever. Yeah, I think I consume forums similar to how I use social media. You use social media. I consume social media. You know what I mean? Like I'll post things here and there or whatever but it's like that has never been my, my thing.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And so I, it was never about making my own content on GameFA or One up or whatever. It was just like reading the conversations and all of that. And even on Reddit it's the same thing. But I, I was telling G. I was like it's interesting though because Greg does use Reddit.

[Greg Miller]

I use Red.

[Tim Gettys]

You. You subscribe to a ton of specific games or whatever it is and like I know that you're just constantly reading that stuff. So it's like. And so that is just a form.

[Greg Miller]

So. But I'm so that's a great point of like I consume Reddit. I don't contribute to like our Reddit are kind of funny when I'll pop in every so often but most time I want to stay out of the conversation because I want the. It's a, it's a fan run subreddit. I want them to critique however they want to as long as they're not personally mean to up my. The team. Say whatever you want about me. But anyways, yeah Reddit I guess actually is a great. I aggregate. That's how I look at it where what'll happen is every morning when I wake up the first stop is Reddit because Reddit obviously the algorithm and what the subreddits I've subscribed to for all the games I really care about, but also our games, our PlayStation, whatever. Like, then I see what the big news is at the top because it'll be as I get my head wrapped around the day and what we're going into. But then again, I'm drilling into the actual article, the VGC thing, the yada yada yada, and our Reddit again fan run. So I'm not trying to say ours, but like is so good of when I wake up, here's the biggest video game stories of the day because they're talking about it like games day.

[Tim Gettys]

And yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's. It's wild that everything is just kind of morphed into. I mean, it's because of social media and what that means. And even websites can be social media. Reddit being an example of that. They're like, I don't need to go to GameFAQs anymore because it's just. It all just comes to me where like the conversations I would seek out in the past because I follow people on all the different platforms and I'm on Reddit and stuff, it is just kind of like given to me taking it a step further though, off the social media side, I think another big difference between the two of us with games content is I consume games media and I consume games videos. And I don't think you do videos. Every once in a while you'll listen to a podcast or you're talking about something, but it's like I con every day I am watching some videos, I'm watching Giant Bomb reviews, I'm watching IGN podcast clips and you know what I mean? And I'm not saying I listen to every episode of anything.

[Greg Miller]

I don't.

[Tim Gettys]

But like I am con. I'm watching YouTube constantly of creators doing stuff about video games. And that's just never been your thing for my.

[Greg Miller]

I mean I love Nikki Jakey, as everybody knows.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean that is a great example. Right? Nakey Jakey. I will watch every. Like, that is event programming. Right?

[Greg Miller]

Like.

[Tim Gettys]

And again, that is the big difference between me and you of just how I've always consumed YouTube. Yeah, you use and think about.

[Greg Miller]

No. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you stumble into a great thing. No of like. So stick with me because it's a little bit no and yes. But no, I don't watch game videos. You know what I mean? When we, when we launched kind of funny or not, I guess even when I launched Game Over Greggy and I was like, YouTube's the future and I want to do this whole thing I remember, like I am going to actively make a sub feed. I'm going to actually watch. And I just never ever could get in the rhythm of what it was and how it worked and what it is. And so, yeah, being a magazine kid, I love reading. And so I love reading the thoughts and opinions and reviews that way. So even when it is an IGN review, I'm going to read the IGN review rather than watch the video.

[Tim Gettys]

Huh.

[Greg Miller]

Just like porn. Just like, you know, EGM is probably why I read my porn. But then the one thing I would flip to it is I love as a man who's in a car a lot, in driving a lot, and that's my only free time for the most part, right between being a dad working here, except Y and Z, the ability to listen to articles. I listen to so much of the New York Times reporting where I'll do that. Yesterday, of course, I was in the car when. Or yeah, I was in the car when the Bloomberg thing broke about the bungee layoffs, right? And so I opened up that article at a stoplight, hit play and just listen to it as I went. And then I would go one step further of again, for as much as I'm in the car, I'm on our programs a lot. And I don't need to listen to a show I was on if I'm not. I'd make a point to listen to it again. Yesterday's Games Daily with Andy in Paris. So good, right? But I then have so many of our friends and peers I consume that way. But I, I like the ones who do something different than us. Like I've said it before and I'll say it again, post Games. Chris Plant, I fucking love that show. And that's coming from somebody who, if you know me well, knows how much I love death, sex and money and knows that that comes from loving this American Life. And Chris Plant doing a this American Life about video games in three acts. The way he presents, it's so unlike how we do shows or how Giant Bomb does shows. And, you know, not knocking our shows, not knocking that. But it's the same thing of like, you know, that I love Jake, I love Skill Up, I tolerate Lucy. I don't listen to friends per second, right? Not because I don't like them, just because I know them. And it's like I'm going to talk loose about a game at our house anyway. So it's like I don't need to worry. Like there's a way to do all this stuff where Chris Plant and Post Games are presenting something so different that I'm like, damn. And then I find also that I, I love is then going and getting the other, I guess turning it around and going to our community's podcasts where I do listen to Story Motors. I make fun of the name all the time. I do listen to JK games. I do listen to Drop in, drop Out. Like, I even. I was giving Kyle and Mike shit when they're podcasting. I go listen to their stuff too. Right there, the Indie Council. Like, what are people who are. It's me looking for specialized content that isn't just the here's the general news or the big review. I want the hey, what are you taking from your perspectives kind of thing.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's funny you bring up Jake because Jake's another one. It's different than Nikki Jakey because Nikki Jakey, his videos are way more events because they are very infrequent, especially at this point, whereas Jake Baldino is putting things out left and right. But, like, I watch so much Jake Baldino stuff because it's just, I, I really appreciate his perspective in the same way I'd appreciate EGM writers back in the day.

[Greg Miller]

So talk to me this way. Do you listen to podcasts? Do you think you're a podcast person constantly?

[Tim Gettys]

I, I'm a YouTube person, but it's

[Greg Miller]

like, where's the line anymore? Like, exactly.

[Tim Gettys]

It's all.

[Greg Miller]

Because my thing is like, I, I, my. I get in the car every day and I love refreshing my podcast feed because I subscribe to so many things, so many of our friends, so many newses, whatever. But video game takes where then I just let it roll and it's like, oh, remap radio. I, I love it that I don't even know. I see the headline and I just see the little thing and like, people don't do cover art like we do. So I'm like, I don't even know what show this is, but the headline's interesting, so I'm gonna click on that. Oh, I'm into remap. I'm into this. I'm into Indie Council, whatever.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I mean, I, it's the same thing. I, I don't even have a podcast app on my phone, but I listen to a ton of podcasts because of YouTube. So in the same way you're talking about your. Your car time is usually like, when you're listening to it the most. Like, me too. And I will just pull before I start Driving. I go on YouTube, go to my homepage, and it's funny because the way the subscription feeds and all that stuff works is not how it used to be. So I don't even subscribe to people. It's just. I am just in an algorithm that has. I've somehow taught to give me what I'm looking for. And it just tends to be a thing of like, Yoshi and the Mysterious Book, right? Like, I did. We did our review, and I'm like, I want to hear other people's thoughts on this thing that I. And then there's just a ton of different videos from people that I want to hear their thoughts on. And sometimes I know who they are and sometimes I don't. Like, I've been finding, like, Nintendo Life is a good example where I don't know who the hell these guys are now. I do. You know, over the last, like, two years or so, I've, like, really gotten to know these people that I've never met. You know, I mean, it's.

[Greg Miller]

And see, again, for me, it's the same thing of a subreddit. And I remember there's one joke. Not even a joke, it was a joke, but it was whatever, years ago where I was talking about how I started liking this game. And you like, did you. Did you like the subreddit? Because you know that that's my, like, my gold standard of, like, I'm into this game. I need to know everything about it. Nowadays, when I'm really into a game, finding a podcast that's super dialed into that, right? And so, like, you look at the Diablo podcast, right, where Xanth has been on our shows multiple times because I was so obsessed with Diablo and Ready for Diablo that I didn't want. I. I love our friends and peers reviewing stuff, but eventually I'm like, I want the nerdy shit. I want to be dialed. I want to be, you know, all the way in. And that's what the Diablo podcast was to where I was so nervous. Like, I'm not, You know, how many people do I host the DICE Awards in front of every industry legend you've ever met. Couldn't give a fine fuck. When I was going to go on the Diablo podcast with Xanth, I was so nervous, I'm like, I can't fuck it up. I don't want to. I know how this show is about expertise. And the same thing with the Palabros. When I'm so into Monster Hunter to go see Krabby Patty's podcast, like, okay, Cool. Yeah, you got a month. And like I'm listening to that and I'm like, yes, this is what I want out of this.

[Tim Gettys]

So I want to move on from the games media side more to the actual game side of things after a word from our sponsors.

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[Greg Miller]

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[Tim Gettys]

We did get a bunch of super chats, so I want to. I want to get super chats. Get to some of them here. Before we talk about us being old, Triforce Power says, can we take a moment of silence for Cosmo Kenny?

[Greg Miller]

We're fixing this. Watch the buzz this week. Yeah, I fix it.

[Tim Gettys]

You fix it.

[Greg Miller]

The new. The new buzz. I recorded next week's buzz yesterday.

[Tim Gettys]

I can't wait. I love this. The saga of Cosmo Kenny. I also that people just think that I killed him.

[Greg Miller]

Well, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, did I?

[Greg Miller]

I mean, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Did I? I don't know. There's video proof on the Reddit. Is it really? Yeah, he kicked him off a bridge. Oh man, y' all saw that. DJ Kento says derail incoming. I want to see Tim's reaction to the skate mod controller for skating games. I think it's very interesting and makes sense.

[Greg Miller]

Is that Tony Hawks?

[Tim Gettys]

It's.

[Greg Miller]

No, it's full of technology.

[Tim Gettys]

It's. It's a SK8 mod. It's a skateboard controller. Use advanced motion sensors from your phone to simulate tricks and skateboarding games. I don't know. I'm gonna give this one the firm. I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

Okay. You know, I think we should just swipe the card, get you one.

[Tim Gettys]

Nah, I'm not so sure about that one. Jackson says, had time, Tim? As a dad? My daughter is nine. Gaming habits change. Less multiplayer, more single player games. You can pause but don't quit your favorite hobby. So yeah, that's a good segue into us here. We're old, we're both fathers. That is insane. You know, this being an old school games cast of just me and you talking about stuff. Can you imagine telling Tim and Greg back in the day, you guys are going to be dad.

[Greg Miller]

You knew you'd be a dad.

[Tim Gettys]

No, I definitely did not. I surely did not know that I was going to be a dad. But here we are. That is the case. And I'm way earlier in that journey. The, the fatherhood side of it, I don't think is the only thing getting in the way of potentially changing our gaming habits. Of course, gaming habits have changed throughout the years. We've talked endlessly about us playing video games. Right. That's what.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I do feel like to just kind of remind people that might not have heard every episode we've ever done. Quick TLDR version. Did you ever fall out of gaming so far in your life? Was there ever eras that you've played less?

[Greg Miller]

Yes, it's waxed and waned.

[Tim Gettys]

Were there eras you played them like even more like, give me the full rundown of Greg Miller's life of how many games you're playing and all that.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, I guess I think it was very, very consistent. What I've always said is that freshman year in high school where the friends I hadn't seen since junior high came to the homecoming dance or I guess whatever the winter dance was, because homecoming would have been whatever. And at some point somebody asked me like, yo, and are you still playing video games? And I was like, yeah, I put it differently because I was a kid, but I was basically, I think I might be aging out of them because I was very much talking about like N64 stuff and this and I was like, I don't know. And then Po and I found Metal Gear and I was like, oh, this is the Future and like I'm combining a lot of wishy washy timeline there. But it was very much like, I don't, maybe I wasn't, I don't think I ever, I don't think I was ever not buying games, not reading games content. I think it was just that thing of like, maybe I was starting to be worried because yeah, I was still all about the N64 and played so many different games and I was coming off the Saturn and I was coming like I had every. After I got the master system, I had every generation of consoles right. Going out. So I guess no, it never waned, but I was worried it was, I guess that's how much, you know, I love it. I was worried it was going to.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And now I play more games than ever. You know what I mean? And I mean I'm now being. When I worked at ign, probably I played more games than ever. Right. Because no responsibilities whatsoever except reviewing games. And you're so, and you're required to. You're so low in the job order, you actually have time to play games where the more you go up in an ign, the more meetings you have and then you find your own fucking company. There's meetings left and right. So like there, I guess, yeah, that PS3 era, Greg's playing the most games of life because yeah, Dunham and Roper just say review this and I sat there for eight hours and played the fucking game and then we'll go home, play for more.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah. For me it's like the moment I could start playing games, that's. I've just been obsessed. And yeah, it has been more, I'd say, even on the consuming the media side. Like, I just, I love talking about games and hearing people talk about games as much as I enjoy playing them. And I have been a Nintendo kid the entire time. That's never waned. Like my entire life I've been playing every Nintendo major release coming out. Like I've been in that world. And a lot of that had to do with just finances. Like when I was young, you know, you don't really have access to everything. But specifically, like, I'd say the biggest drought I had was the PS3 360 era, which I know a lot of our audience, that was like their prime coming online. But that was, that was like my college, like late high school, but college time. And that was when I was at my poorest and also that was my hustle, that was my scheme time, that was my, like, how am I going to get into the industry and like it was way more focusing on videos, making videos, you know, like building something from nothing to make everything go down.

[Greg Miller]

So yeah, I think that's what's interesting about it when I think back is that. And you bring up hustle. And I said, yeah, I was going a different way with it. Of like, I don't know when there was ever a lean time for me. And I even include college when I was like fucking broke. I didn't have a job, you know what I mean? Like my parents or my dad would give me like an allowance while I was at college, but it was like for everything, food, beer, whatever. But I was still grinding it out where I'm going to GameStop and I'm trading this that the other and making it happen. And even as a kid, like, I think about this all the time with Ben right now, right. Of like what it'll be like for him. But you know, as a kid, in my chest or my dresser, that top shelf where I'd keep my cash. And like, I remember when you're a kid and you're saving up for something, you count it over and over again and that smell of money and it's just like, I don't think Ben will ever know the smell of money that way. But it was like back to it. Of like I always was playing what I needed to play, wanting to play. Right. I was always saving up for Death and Return to Superman or whatever the it was going to be.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, totally. And I mean for me it was still there. The desire was still there. And I eventually did freaking scheme my little heart out to get a PS3 for Metal Gear Solid 4. Like that was. I was like, by the time that game comes out, I need a PS3.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And so I was able to do that. So I did join the generation, of course.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And then I was able to kind of go back, but it really took me a while to make up for lost time. And I think it was like pretty deep into the PS4 generation with a lot of those remasters of PS3 games that I was able to catch up on that side and then on the 360 side, like I played all the Halos, you know, I. The things that I knew I was going to love, I found a way. I borrow Alfredo's 360 or whatever it was, but that was definitely like my. I'm playing the least games overall, but still keeping up fully with Nintendo. And then since then, I do think the last handful of years has been the most games I'VE ever played because I'm keep trying to keep up with everything in the way that we all do, you know and see that's our game of the year has kind of turned into what it has as you have a big enough team that it's not just a couple of us giving our personal opinions and it's more like hey as a group we're trying to do something cool here and like we're trying to you know use our platform to talk about games we love and celebrate them in a different way like that it motivates me to want to play more games.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. And I think that's where you it gets interesting. I think I play more games than ever but in terms of hours, you know what I mean? Where I think in the old to go back to that PS3 era it was. I'm reviewing what a 20 hour game, a 30 hour game. It's like you're. I'm committing to those one thing because the release schedules are so much more lenient where there was downtime, you know what I mean? There were games. Oh there's nothing coming out this month of consequence like yes. Now it's every week there's something to the point that I'm, I'm. You know especially with you know the Rog ride of just like downloading random ass shit off game pass down getting a Steam code and giving it a shot for something I never would have tried before where it's just like okay cool like I'm consuming so much more stuff but it's shorter bursts and what actually gets to credits is a different conversation. Yeah, that's a really number of games I play way, way more than ever.

[Tim Gettys]

So then let's jump now to the topic of the show. Like are we what do you see your future looking like? Like do you ever see a slowdown? Do you think you're going to keep up with major releases for the rest of your life? Do you think that you're going to keep up with some specific subsect for the rest of your life? But maybe not everything.

[Greg Miller]

Interesting question. My gut reaction is yes, I'll keep up with new releases for the rest of my life. I, I don't and I say that because I don't ever plan on retiring. Like this conversation happens a few times here and there Greg ways there's with people right of like where does all this go? And none of us know because we are tip of the sword right where it's like even to look at the generation I just talked about with Dan Shu and Crispin and Craig Harris and like Jeremy Dunham and Chris Roper. Right. Like the old, the generation before us. Not even our colleagues, our peers, Right. People a little bit older than us. This industry on this side of the microphone, but on that side of the screen is a better way to put it. When you were writing a magazine or writing on ign.com was you started as a lowly editor, you worked your way up, you ran the team, then maybe you run all of IGN editorial and then you get burned out and go into pr and if it doesn't happen that you don't run the team or run Ignitorial, you go into pr. Like it was big news. I remember when Tina went to work at Infinity Ward, right?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

She was the first person I knew was like, holy shit. You actually jumped to game development. Like that is something people always talked about but never really happened. Yeah, it happens all the time.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's a very good point.

[Greg Miller]

So it's like that thing of like, oh, wow. But it was the same idea that eventually you hit a ceiling where you were and oftentimes that ceiling was money. Right. Of like, cool, I'm not going to get promoted to run ign, so I'm never going to make a livable wage at this. So I can never have a family, so I can never live in, I can never own a house. And like it just dominoes out to where people are like, I got to get out of here. And that's how you lost. There was such a drain from the business. And then when we come in and we're all committed to it and we're doing the thing and making it, I think more adult than ever in a real career. Right. As you look at what IGN is or what this is and I kind of funny and not influencer part of it, but like enthusiast press. Right. You see people able to actually hack it and do it and live this and make it work in an interesting way. So now you get to this point where it is, I'm not gonna stop doing this even if tomorrow it all went south for I or ign. Kind of funny. And it evolved or changed or whatever. Like it would still be me, I assume in Canada giving back to Jen, streaming video games and talking about as a one man show, almost like Jeff Gerstman, right. Like, I'm still gonna do this because there's still be an audience that wants it. And I think that's what gets lost all the time with the looky lose on our content where they're like, oh, they changed the thumbnails trying to appeal to their younger audience. Like, we don't have a younger audience. Like, we are a very specific. There is a younger audience. Thank you for the few teens that do watch, but it legitimately is like, you are in late college or just into the job market, and you want adults talking about a game with disposable income and whatever. That's where our numbers trend, right. And then upwards. And so it really is. That upwards trend is me and you going up. And so I fully believe that when I'm 55, I will still be reviewing games from my perspective, and there will be an audience that is 65 to 45, probably even younger than that, that are like, no, I do want to hear what that perspective is on games now, if that's still kind of funny. That requires, of course, us bringing in younger people as well that are trying to appeal to that, or maybe not. And we are just able to age up with the audience, and that's totally chill. And that's how I see this really shaking out in the future. Obviously, a million things could go wrong and change the industry, and that doesn't work that way. But no, I. Since I always see, why would I ever retire? Like, this is all I wanted. Jen. Jen, I were having some other conversation the other day. It was about, yeah, like, you know, our parents getting older and then what, Us getting older one day. And I'm like. I'm like, as soon as Ben says it's time for me to go to the home, put me in the home, let me play games, she's like, I can't say what Jen calls me. She's like, greg, there's more. I'm like, no, no, I just want to play games. Just leave me in the home playing games. I'm happy. You know what I mean? Like, I will still be doing a podcast from the nursing home kind of thing is how I feel. And maybe that'll change and maybe it won't. Whatever, you know what I mean? But, like, no. And since that's the thing, I think it'll always be that cadence, because that's all I know. Yeah, like, I really, like, last night's a good example of, like, I love video games and I love my career. I'm so lucky to have it. But my career is my hobby, and my passion is my career. And so it is like, I can't do something and not think about making content around it. And so last night, like, literally, we didn't have the review code for redacted, and I was just like, what do I do? I'm like, I'm exhausted, so I don't want to do. I played replaced more at my desk yesterday. I still love replaced.

[Tim Gettys]

Hell yeah.

[Greg Miller]

But I'm like, I'm exhausted. I do not want to get into replaced right now. I don't want to. The reading will put me to sleep immediately. But it's like, what do I put up a quip on Patreon? I'm like, what's a 45 minute game I could play? You know what I mean? Of like, let's source from you. Because I know there's so many indies I don't know about or I've missed over the years. Y' all said a lot of stuff, you know, I've reviewed which pissed me off, but it's okay. But I ended up playing. I ended up grinding fucking trophies in Lego Batman. But it's like, it was that thing of like, man, I need a target at all times. Which is a bad thing. It is a bad thing that I can't just disconnect. But when I disconnect, I end up playing Starfield and I. And I just did that. So I don't need to do that again.

[Tim Gettys]

It's so funny, man. I mean, I feel like this is maybe not that interesting of a conversation, but I'm right there with you. It's like I really feel everything you just said about the. I can't imagine retiring. I love doing this and all the different facets. It's very hard sometimes. It's not fun often. But there's just so much value and so much that I do just completely love. And the playing the game side of it's just like. Yeah. I think that another way to look at this that I wanted to ask you is just like. And we're in a kind of weird position because we do often get consoles provided to us from people. But pretend that wasn't the case. Sure. What, how long are you buying consoles? And like, and I know this the loaded question because like, will consoles even fucking exist? A couple generations outline or whatever. But it's just like, do you see yourself? Because at this point you own everything, right? You have, you have PC, Switch, Xbox and PlayStation. If you weren't getting them provided to you, do you see yourself keeping up and buying all.

[Greg Miller]

Am I still in this industry? I mean, the big question, I think, and I know that's so hard.

[Tim Gettys]

It's so hard. It's so. Again, this is such a stupid hypothetical, but let's just go down the path no, you're not. This is just Greg Miller playing games. Yeah, let's just focus just on the playing game side of it.

[Greg Miller]

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Tim Gettys]

Are you all in your buying everything or what?

[Greg Miller]

I mean for right now, if you were to look into that Greg Miller's timeline and let's say he has the money obviously, right? Yeah, it was like, you know, I would train journalist. I, I, I would love to Dr. Strange it and look into that parallel timeline. I never get the call from ign. I never get the call from anybody. I keep working the Columbia Daily Tribune, which I loved. What does that do? Like you know, the Tribune got sold and fucking gutted and left one. Like it's a whole horror story over there. Right. So would I made it to that and then would I have been out in the woods or would I have gone to like an all and done a magazine thing? So many whatever permutations. But if I had them, if where we are right now and what consoles have cost in the past, yeah, I'd have everything. Maybe not an Xbox, maybe I think it would, I think there would have been the. I look at when I started at IGN, right, and I didn't buy a PS3, I was like, fuck no. Like I'm not paying that much money for that thing. You know what I mean? And it was that I guess technically I didn't pay for a 3. I didn't buy 360 either. I eventually got Hillary's handed down to. So it was like when I was broke as a joke, like I made it work. I had a Wii, I committed to the Wii. That's what I was doing. Far different industry and obviously I had a PlayStation 3 at my desk. I had an Xbox at Hillary's desk. I could play whatever I needed to play and borrow it. I would think though, yes, on the outside I would own everything and if not own everything, I think I would definitely own the PlayStation 5. I believe I would have bought an Xbox because I would have been like, I want to be up for everything. I probably wouldn't own a PC that functions well, but maybe again Steam Deck to Rog, that has happened. Maybe that would have won me over and back in the same way it did IRL right now. Yeah, but yeah, I would think so. I think it's looking for again how much money I'm making and what my situation is. Life.

[Tim Gettys]

Obviously there's. This is just a dumb hypothetical world that like can't even possibly exist. There's too many factors at play that like confuse it. But I guess really the intent of the question is like, it's priority, right? Like, is it a thing of like, okay, I, I seek to purchase all of these consoles and I am going to put money aside and that is my goal is having all things right. It might take you half a generation to get one of them or whatever it is.

[Greg Miller]

See, it would never be for me that got to collect them all in the consoles. It would be the content and so.

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly.

[Greg Miller]

And I. So I think I would have, you know, especially as PlayStation 2 solid as I was, I think I would have eventually gotten the PlayStation 3 because of that exclusive lineup. I would have waited like I did IRL and then it would have led to the places 4 would let it. PlayStation 5. I think I would have been on board with the switch from day one and Switch two from day one. I think Xbox is the wild card of like when we were at IGN still and they launched PlayStation 4 and they launched Xbox One, we didn't get shit for free. And I bought the PlayStation 4 and I bought the Xbox One. And although I didn't regret it to actually, like pros and cons, I regret buying the Xbox One because I just didn't use it. It was totally one of those, I want to be ready for everything. And there was fucking loco cycle on it. And I think I played like four more games. I don't even remember how many I actually played on it, but it was. I remember it sat there dusty as hell forever. So that would have been cooling on Xbox Series X and S. Right. But there would have eventually been the conversation that I have on this show all the time, especially if I was out in the wild and just being a writer somewhere of like, damn, Xbox Game pass is such a great value. I could be getting all these games through it. What am I really losing from a PlayStation? And as frugal as I was back to being a kid and making it happen and the fact that I never had a retro collection because every time I wanted something new, traded everything in, traded everything and I just folded everything into each other. I could see it being that it was like, damn, I could play all this shit on Xbox Game pass And not. I could see me flipping the PlayStation 5 for it, theoretically, you know what I mean? Of what I'd be doing, especially with something like Starfield, which I would have been, oh, a new Bethesda game. I'm talking to you. Before we knew that I was a weirdo about it or that it was a disappointment.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah, for me, it's. I Definitely don't need to own every console just to have it. I am the type of person that wants everything because, like, I want the tech and I want to be able to play all the games. But I do think just being more realistic, it's like, of course I'm gonna buy the Nintendo consoles for the rest of my life. Like, I've been through the Wii U and through the Wii even, I've been through times that like, we're not like. And even the good times like the N64 and GameCube, it's like some. There was droughts of games.

[Greg Miller]

Oh yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But it was still worth it. Like, to me, I don't need a game every single week. It's like if I have a couple experiences a year, I'm like, all right, this is, I'm happy with this. And I think that goes back to like my thoughts on the PS5, where I can understand people being very upset for Sony's output this generation. But to me, I'm like, hey, I'm kind of cool with like one to two big titles a year and when we don't get that, even like that's, you know, a little bit of a letdown. But I'm just talking about from the first party perspective. Obviously third party stuff fills all that stuff out. But I, I can't imagine a world for the rest of my life that I am not investing in Nintendo and PlayStation. Like, they make games I like and I think that they're going to continue to do that. Obviously anything can happen in that changes. But like, I do think I'm on those lines. Then the Xbox side, my life has always been an interesting relationship with Xbox where it's about the games and are they making games that I'm interested in playing. And Xbox since the inception has been the ecosystem that creates the games that speak to me the least. Yeah. And every once in a while there's exceptions to that. I love Gears, I love Halo, I love Forza, I love a lot of things. I play a lot of Xbox games. But specifically now with their strategy and with the PC and all that stuff, I am not sure I'm gonna buy the next Xbox, but I am sure I'm gonna have a way to play Xbox games.

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

So it's like I. You already have a great PC and that's the thing. So. But, but also, in addition, I'm at a point now where I see my future of video games. I don't see it ending. I do see myself wanting ease of use to be able to Play. And also I prioritize the stuff in my life. I don't go on insane vacations, you

[Greg Miller]

know what I mean?

[Tim Gettys]

It's just like. And again, a lot of this is very lucky that we get sent crazy places like we do. We get to turn work opportunities into fun things. Right. But it's just I, I invest in experiences that mean something to me and ease of use of gaming in my house is one thing. So I will be investing in a living room PC gaming setup.

[Greg Miller]

Gotcha.

[Tim Gettys]

So whether that's, whether that machine or Felix, I'm going to do that so that upstairs I can play games. Because my life with a daughter now is very different and I need to be able to just like, you know, it needs to be easy, it needs to be, it needs to just freaking work. I have 30 minutes to play a game and I'm here. So I needed to work here. So I think that the rest of my life is going to be that way. But that still means I am going all in. Like I see myself in 20, 30 years. Let's go 30 years from now, man, I'm 66. I don't know about that.

[Greg Miller]

But he'll be here.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, I don't know that I'll be here.

[Greg Miller]

But you'll be working here. Her and Ben are games.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. But I'm thinking when I'm 60 years old, I still, I think I will own the next PlayStation, the next Nintendo and I will have a way to play Xbox games. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Well, yeah, Xbox will be a third party publisher. Well, that'll be Microsoft gaming.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. God. Well, it makes me happy that we both feel that way.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, No, I can't imagine doing anything else. Like again this, you know, I'm boring. Greg way points it out all the time where the people ask, try to ask me these hypothetical questions and it's just like, well, no, like I've already sacrificed so many different hobbies or whatever to do this like the skating thing, you know what I mean? Like I enjoy skating so much right now as I'm learning a new skill, right. And like I sound like such a dweeb talking about it because like just the act of like being excited to go to the skate park, being excited to make time, being excited to take time away from video games to go fucking wobble on a board, right. Is like so foreign because, so for so long, Jen's like, I really think I'm gonna get a gym membership. You should get it too. And I'm like, I love that baby. I will Never make time to do that. The peloton and me with my handheld is the best we're gonna get because I will never, ever sacrifice time from you guys, from my games, from just having to do other things to make time to go to the gym, to get in the car and go to the gym. Meanwhile, now with the board, I'm like, oh, fuck. Well, if I could, I could grab 10 minutes right now. If I go right now and I park there, I could. You know what I mean? Like, that's a fun little thing of like, I haven't had that fire for a hobby since I guess comics came after games. So I guess comics, you know, where you're like, oh, but I'm not going to spend this money now on pizza with my friends. I want to be able to buy

[Tim Gettys]

X, Y and Z. Yeah, it's. I. This comes up every once in a while, but I remember being at IGN and being so confused and like, bewildered. Specifically him. Love you, Anthony. Of E3 season coming up and the amount of people, I would say the majority of people whose attitude about it was, this sucks. And I'm like, this is the coolest thing ever. It's the most work.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You'll ever do. We to this day talked about e3 week of like, we'll describe like a day as an E3 day. Like, we know what that means for our minds, bodies and souls. But like, for all the bad, there was just so much, like, good that comes with that too. And we're still here now. It's like with Summer Game Fest. Like, I hear people from outlets, like, talking that way and I'm just like, I just can't. Couldn't be me. This couldn't be me. And I'm happy that me and you were sitting here and we still have that attitude after being through everything we've been through. Video games in the.

[Greg Miller]

You know, I'm going to SGF obviously this year as our representative. Bless is coming to for one day and I'm excited about it, but I think I feel it not. I don't get me wrong, by no means. I'm like, oh, I love sgf. I love going to seems. But I understand the complications more that I'm older, you know what I mean? And especially, like, keep in mind, I'm leaving on Friday and coming back on Sunday, right. To think about. Let's just give you an example from way back in the day. I remember we finished our week of E3 coverage, right? And remember, of course, E3 kicked off on Sunday with the PlayStation? No, no, Xbox back in the day. And then PlayStation on Monday and then Nintendo on Tuesday, Ubisoft on. Okay, whatever. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, but we would go down originally. You would go down on Friday, the Friday before all of this, go to a barbecue at Paris House, whatever. Get trashed with everybody. Saturday there'd be appointments to scatter to see, and you don't come home then until Saturday after. So that's a week plus eight days. Right. And I remember in the war room Friday night of the final Friday, writing something at like 5:30 or whatever, team dinners at 6 or 7. I forget. And Dunham walked over and he's like, I'm gonna go. I'm like, all right, I'll see you at dinner. He's like, no, no, I'm gonna go. Like, I was in your flight tomorrow. He's like, yeah, but I'm renting a car right now and I'm gonna drive home so I can see my. And I was like, okay. Like, that's really weak. You can't wait. You know, he really wasn't gaining that much time. It was a weird decision, but to now be a dad and now and also be a partner. You know what I mean? And like, not to mention Jen is in the industry. So SGF is a lot of logistics of who's taking care of Ben and how are we doing this and when are we picking what if she can't do it? Who takes care of the dogs? Like, whatever. But like, if it was the alternative of, let's say Jen wasn't in the industry and everything else is the same and it's. We got to figure out a week of care. Maybe Jen's still in the industry. I gotta. We gotta figure out a week plus of care for Ben. Like, that is where I'm like, I could understand dreading it a bit more as an adult. Adult when it was that I was 22, 23, let's go get fucking wasted in Korean barbecue.

[Tim Gettys]

You're bringing a lot of factors that. That's just life and reality.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, but.

[Tim Gettys]

Which, like, it does affect it though, but it's not.

[Greg Miller]

There aren't a lot of jobs, I feel that tear up your life for eight days straight where it is like, okay, cool, go there.

[Tim Gettys]

That's not true.

[Greg Miller]

But my dad never took eight days.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but I mean, I think that there's a lot of jobs that don't. I think there's a lot of jobs that like, do. There's the same level of insanity and stuff, but I don't think that a lot of those have the Korean barbecue side of it. Right.

[Greg Miller]

Sure. Sure. The job's not hard. I don't mean, like. I don't mean. I'm not like, I'm a nurse. I work three. No, I understand that, but I'm just saying. Of, like, putting your entire life on pause to go somewhere and work your ass off and then come back and not be able to rest would be the other thing. Right. Of like.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Even now when it's like, oh, it's a marathon stream. It's like, cool. I'll be. Not at 2am I'll get home. I'll catch four hours of sleep before Ben's jumping on my crotch. Like, I gotta get. You know what I mean? And again, I love all that. I'm not at all saying I don't want that life, but there's realities to it. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, cause and effect. So I.

[Greg Miller]

But to flip it back to what it was like to be at IGN in 2008 or whatever for an E3, I can understand why maybe some people were like, oh, I don't want to go do this.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, for sure. And I. To be clear, I get that. I'm talking about the. The contemporaries. Our contemporaries. Sure. It's like, I know your life.

[Greg Miller]

You're Kyle Stevenson. Kyle Stevenson. I'm just making up his name now.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's get to some more super chats here.

[Greg Miller]

Super chats.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's see. Gerald says, Tim, did you see that they're putting the 1986 Transformers movie in theaters in 4K. Plus there's a new rendition of the Touch on Spotify. I've been listening to that for the last, like, two days constantly. Can't wait to see this movie again. I actually have never seen it in theaters.

[Greg Miller]

Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

So this is a very big deal for me. For me, very excited.

[Greg Miller]

When's it out?

[Tim Gettys]

I don't. Oh, August. I think they did put a date. They just been teasing it for the last, like, year. It's the apology tour for Optimus Prime's death. Oh, wow. Yeah. Maybe we bring Ben.

[Greg Miller]

I was gonna say maybe you're gonna do the doing this weekend where you're like, oh, hey, I'll take Jax instead of Ben to something.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you said he can't go watch Mandalorian.

[Greg Miller]

When did I say that?

[Tim Gettys]

When we asked, can Ben go see Mandalorian?

[Greg Miller]

Not. Not to oppress Screener for Mandalorian. That's what I meant. I don't want him going to a press Screener where he's like, daddy, blah, blah, shut the fuck up. We can't look bad in front of these people.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay? We can take him at a 9am

[Greg Miller]

like, he can handle the Mandalorian. That's not the problem.

[Tim Gettys]

Can you go at 3:20pm Tomorrow?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

In Emeryville, Captain Slayer says I found kind of funny in October 2024. I listen daily doing pest control. I was born in 92, so I relate most to Greg and Tim. 11 years is a long time to do anything. Do you two deal with burnout doing this? Are you happy? Thank you. I love you.

[Greg Miller]

No, I've never burned out. That was always the big thing. People would tell me at IGN of when they'd hear that I came back on Friday night after the bars and captured smackdown versus Raw for three hours and then went home. They're like, you're going to burn out. I'm like, I don't think I am. Like, again, I think having the fact that I worked at a newspaper for a year and a half every day at ign, and every day, it kind of funny feels like a vacation. Like, that was a real job where I had to do real work and deal with real things. Whereas here we get to talk about toys. And oftentimes that intersects with real life with layoffs or deaths or whatever, but I mean, not in the same way whatsoever. And so, no, I don't. I don't burn out. It's what annoys the shit out of Jen. Another. You know, she of course works at Pop Agenda. They're a publisher for hire. You know, at five o', clock, the last thing my wife wants to do anymore is talk about video games or see a video game after doing it all day long. Whereas I'm like, I could play. I play starfield for 12 hours on a stream, and you bet your ass I'd love to come home and play more or whatever I'm reviewing or whatever it is. Because even when I'm playing a game I don't like, it's like, I know I'm building to content. I'm gonna have something cool to say and it's gonna lead to a great conversation. And so, yeah, no, I don't. I don't burn out.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I. Are you happy? Yes, I am happy. Deal with burnout doing this. It's funny because I feel like I'm similar to you, where I'm like, no, I don't burn out. Having said that, people around me burnout. And that burns me. And it's like it kind of drives Me crazy. Dealing with other people's burnouts. I unable to do it. Like. And it, it definitely. It weighs on me and it. The grays in my beard and all of that.

[Greg Miller]

Like, that.

[Tim Gettys]

It's rough and I wish I had a solution to that. But it's. It's like, yeah, it's some of the things you're saying like, Jen doesn't do that like, or is different than you in that way. And it's like, thankfully, G is not like that. Like, the G is very much like, go, go, go Tim. Go, go, go. Like you want to go.

[Greg Miller]

She's not trying to stop me. No, no, no.

[Tim Gettys]

It's not about trying to stop, but it's like not understanding how you're able to. Whereas like G. Oh. Or whatever it is.

[Greg Miller]

I'm just saying Jen personally doesn't want to do. She has no problem with me doing it and totally gets what she's a workaholic.

[Tim Gettys]

She gets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kebab says shout out to forums. Folks know Kebabs here at kf, but I built my name talking about Jack and Daxter on gamefa and Russian Clank on the IG forums. Ideally missed the latter IG forums. I don't know what those are inside gaming maybe Jackson Ford.

[Greg Miller]

They left the N off ign.

[Tim Gettys]

What's up?

[Greg Miller]

Maybe the N got left off ign.

[Tim Gettys]

I dearly missed the latter. IGN sports are still there, right?

[Greg Miller]

No way.

[Tim Gettys]

IGN boards. I don't know. Insomniac Games forums Kebab says in the

[Greg Miller]

chat we should have known that.

[Tim Gettys]

Zach says in financial the easiest to read.

[Greg Miller]

Every time I have a Kebabs joke, it's about we should. You're right, we should have done that.

[Tim Gettys]

Zach, the Ford says in financial terms, do you think GTA will repeat game dev spend? Will there ever be another rock star? Should we expect GTA to be the maximum of what games can be outside of purely creative innovations? Honestly, like, I feel stupid to say this now, but it's like I don't know that there. There will be a game in the future that's more than GTA 6. Because we'll see. We'll see like how this all works out for them. They're going to make a lot of money. But I don't know. There's so much going into this one that GTA 7, if it were to happen, I don't know what that looks like financially of like what that investment

[Greg Miller]

is, but that is. There is.

[Tim Gettys]

I can't think that far into the

[Greg Miller]

future there is an IGN board, sir.

[Tim Gettys]

Wow.

[Greg Miller]

But it's. I can't find it on the website. I just googled ign boards and it brought me to ign boards.com and so it's like, I want to believe it's

[Tim Gettys]

official, but it's like, yeah, just like looking at the chat. Because if GTA 6 comes out in 20, 26, 10 years, 13 years after GTA 5, like, what about GTA 7? Yeah, that's so hard.

[Greg Miller]

Ben will be working here with Sammy when they.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I. I do think It'll be like 20 years after. I think it'll just be longer. Jason says Inside Baseball question. I've seen Reddit posts on codes. What's normal codes to embargo, timeline to concerning if codes are mia? How do you plan around holidays if you can't answer? Enjoy the super chat. Money mad. Love to y'.

[Greg Miller]

All. No, we love answering questions like that. I would say the industry standard, and this is something that is subject to great changes, but I would say for the most part, especially recently, usually they try to give you two weeks with a game. Does that change? Of course. Lego Batman we had one week with and Lego Batman was a fine game. Pokemon Za we had a weekend with and it was a great game. Or, you know, depends who you talk to. I had a great time with it. And so, yes, codes vary quite a bit. It's sometimes better, sometimes worse, you know. But I say that week to two weeks is generally what you'd expect. If somebody has a banger and it is big, they often give it to you quite early in terms of an RPG or something like that. Octopath Traveler 0. I feel like I had forever. And so, yeah, it is. Mileage will vary. How do we handle holidays? Well, now you're asking a bigger industry question. Where. How does the industry handle it and what is the responsibility? And yada, yada, yada, yada. I can't answer that. Kind of funny. Let's say hypothetically, we didn't have a big game and we had a weekly meeting yesterday and we said, hey, it's Memorial Day on Monday and we probably have to review this thing on Tuesday. And people. And I said, hypothetically, I probably would have said, hey, real quick, a bad embargo is not your concern. Play the game for as long as you can. Play as much as you can. Enjoy your weekend. Do not change your plans. I will not be changing my plans, hypothetically, this weekend when I have so much going on. Maybe I'm seeing Grogu in the mando. You know what I mean? Like I got that. I got a baseball game, hypothetically. And I got Jiu Jitsu, like, you know what I mean? Not me, but you know what I mean? In a parade, like, fuck your embargo. But that's. We're a very specific company where that's our stance on it. And you are here to hear us right now. I'm sure thousands of you listening to us talk about being old, like, that's a very unique and precious relationship. And you know what you're here for. Hypothetically, if there was, you know, a holiday and a video game in the codes coming out later or something like that, there's going to be a lot of people who have a really shitty weekend, because that does suck to say, well, I am the reviewer on this and I'm going to make it. I can't speak for other outlets too. I think a lot of times it is, hey, this is what I want to do as a creator. Nobody made me go capture smackdown versus raw at 3:00am I wanted to. And so there are a lot of people who are like, I'm a reviewer. I rise to the challenge. I will make the embargo. And I don't know if it's their bosses cracking a whip on that, because I know in recent years, recent times, there's definitely been. I go, whoa, man. Bad embargo, horrible amount of time with this. Godspeed to everybody. And IGN will have the review in progress up.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Michael Hyam isn't killing himself and, you know, pulling all nighters.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I do think that overall, all the major media sites have grown up.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Gettys]

And, like, they treat people more like people than they ever have in the past.

[Greg Miller]

But then you got those people who are just gonna go ham because they want to go. Exactly. And that's more power to you.

[Tim Gettys]

You should.

[Greg Miller]

But those days are by. I'm never gonna be like, hey, Jen and Ben, have a great weekend. I gotta do X, Y and Z. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Nightlife says it's important as we age that we play video games. The sense of wonder it instills is priceless. Wonder creates imagination and creativity. Wisdom begins in wonder. I owe my love of video games to my high score, Pac Man. Dad. I love that, man. And yeah, I, I, I believe that video games have never been better than they are now. And I think that there might be a time that that's not true. Like, I think that with how dire some things look in the industry, like, we're in a scary place that I don't, I'm not confident that games will exist forever in the way that they currently do of major releases that I'm looking forward to. And that scares me to an extent. But I can't say right now it's like, oh, there's so many amazing games and developers that I love are putting out new projects constantly. Developers I love are also being put out of business left and right. And that sucks. I hate that I'm never going to play another Blue Point game. Like that's not acceptable, you know. But yeah, love playing games. Think I'm going to do it forever. Thank you guys for listening to us because we're probably going to talk about games forever and I'm sure with your support, you and I will do another episode very similar to this in 20 years. Let us know in the comments below if you think you're too old to play video games or not. That's what I want to know. We have something else happening today. I imagine it's a stream.

[Greg Miller]

It's a stream. Last I heard we put in there and it was different game here is what got written. So different game here.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know what they're playing after checking in with them after that, I think Mike and Andy are going back to Subnautica, to the Knot, but going to the Knot. The Naughty Boys. I don't know. Know. Till next time. I love you all.

[Greg Miller]

Goodbye.