Ranking EVERY Nintendo 3D Platformer - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Summary of "Ranking EVERY Nintendo 3D Platformer" – Kinda Funny Gamescast (July 15, 2025)

In this episode of the Kinda Funny Gamescast, hosts Tim Gettys, Greg “GameOverGreggy” Miller, Blessing Adeoye, and Andy Cortez delve deep into the realm of Nintendo's 3D platformers. Released on July 15, 2025, the episode critically examines an IGN article titled "Every Nintendo 3D Platformer Ranked" by Ryan Guar, discussing the merits and shortcomings of the listed games while forecasting potential shifts in rankings with the upcoming release of Donkey Kong Bonanza.

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1. Introduction to the Topic

Blessing Adeoye kicks off the discussion with palpable excitement about Nintendo's vibrant ecosystem, particularly highlighting the anticipation surrounding the launch of Donkey Kong Bonanza. The hosts express enthusiasm over the community's engagement with Donkey Kong weeks and set the stage for an in-depth analysis of Nintendo’s 3D platformers.

Blessing Adeoye [00:47]:
"Oh, feels good. There's Nintendo in the air."

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2. Overview of IGN's Ranking List

The conversation shifts to IGN’s list of every Nintendo 3D platformer ranked. Tim Gettys opens the article during the podcast, noting that IGN has included 11 entries, sparking a debate among the hosts about potential omissions and the criteria for inclusion.

Tim Gettys [07:25]:
"Every Nintendo 3D platformer ranked is written by Ryan Guar. Went up July 7th as last week."

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3. Defining Nintendo 3D Platformers

The hosts grapple with defining what constitutes a Nintendo 3D platformer. They consider whether titles like Banjo-Kazooie or Kirby and the Forgotten Land qualify, debating the inclusion of third-party titles and the distinction between platformers and puzzle games.

Blessing Adeoye [07:23]:
"Because what's interesting about this is what qualifies as a Nintendo 3D platformer."

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4. Detailed Discussion of Ranked Games

a. Mario Series:

• Super Mario Odyssey emerges as a frontrunner, praised for its expansive worlds and innovative gameplay mechanics.

Tim Gettys [19:28]:
"Odyssey, I think, is an example of a game that has a lot of highs and very few of those lows."

• Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 receive high acclaim for their creativity and orchestral soundtracks, though some criticism is leveled at the motion controls as gimmicky.

Blessing Adeoye [19:02]:
"Flood as a mechanic is actually fun. And we do see some of those mechanics live on in games like Odyssey."

• Super Mario Sunshine is scrutinized for its reliance on the flood system, which some players find frustrating despite its innovative design.

Blessing Adeoye [19:28]:
"Sunshine, the entire game is the gimmick. The entire flood system is the gimmick."

• Super Mario 3D World is discussed with mixed feelings, appreciated for its multiplayer experience but considered by some as not reaching the heights of other titles.

Tim Gettys [34:02]:
"I really enjoyed this experience. This is one that I..."

b. Donkey Kong Series:

• Donkey Kong 64 is controversially placed at the bottom of IGN's list. The hosts express strong disagreement with its ranking, highlighting its expansive gameplay and nostalgic value despite its flaws.

Blessing Adeoye [31:50]:
"At number 11, we got Don Kong 64. You fucking bastards."

Tim Gettys [31:50]:
"I hope DK Bonanza fucks Mario Odyssey. I hope that game is so fucking good..."

• There is anticipation that the release of Donkey Kong Bonanza could elevate DK’s standing in future rankings.

Blessing Adeoye [59:43]:
"Having said that, it is... There's still a lot of things I have a lot of questions about this game because..."

c. Kirby and Other Titles:

• Kirby and the Forgotten Land is acknowledged for its unique approach but debated whether it fits strictly within the 3D platformer genre.

Barrett Courtney [37:32]:
"I feel like Kirby's way better than that."

• Discussions also touch upon Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker and Wario World, with some arguing they don't fit the traditional 3D platformer mold.

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5. Critique of IGN’s Ranking Approach

The hosts critique IGN’s methodology, particularly the exclusion of certain titles and the placement of DK64 at the bottom. They argue that nostalgia and the scope of gameplay should be more heavily weighted in evaluations.

Tim Gettys [58:12]:
"That is so funny."

Blessing Adeoye [58:13]:
"Yeah. The fact that they have both galaxies that high, I can't be mad at it. I respect it."

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6. Predictions and Future Outlook

Looking ahead, the hosts speculate on how Donkey Kong Bonanza might influence future rankings, hoping it will propel DK64 to a more deserving position. They also express interest in how upcoming titles will shape the landscape of Nintendo's 3D platformers.

Barrett Courtney [59:17]:
"I can only hope."

Tim Gettys [59:40]:
"It's Odyssey team, dude. Like I. I am never going to doubt them."

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7. Additional Insights and Community Engagement

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage with viewer comments and super chats, addressing questions about game rankings and sharing personal anecdotes related to the games discussed. They emphasize the importance of community input in shaping their discussions.

Blessing Adeoye [63:04]:
"We're not going to answer that today, but that is an interesting question."

Tim Gettys [62:20]:
"Ladies, gentlemen and bees, let us know in the comments below. What is your favorite Nintendo 3D platformer?"

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8. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with the hosts reiterating their passion for Nintendo’s diverse 3D platformer lineup and expressing eagerness for future releases that could redefine the genre. They encourage listeners to engage with them on various platforms and support the podcast through memberships for an enhanced experience.

Tim Gettys [63:10]:
"Until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you."

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Notable Quotes:

• Blessing Adeoye [07:23]:
  "Because what's interesting about this is what qualifies as a Nintendo 3D platformer."

• Tim Gettys [19:28]:
  "Odyssey, I think, is an example of a game that has a lot of highs and very few of those lows."

• Blessing Adeoye [19:02]:
  "Flood as a mechanic is actually fun. And we do see some of those mechanics live on in games like Odyssey."

• Blessing Adeoye [31:50]:
  "At number 11, we got Don Kong 64. You fucking bastards."

• Tim Gettys [31:50]:
  "I hope DK Bonanza fucks Mario Odyssey. I hope that game is so fucking good..."

• Tim Gettys [58:12]:
  "That is so funny."

• Blessing Adeoye [58:13]:
  "Yeah. The fact that they have both galaxies that high, I can't be mad at it. I respect it."

• Barrett Courtney [59:17]:
  "I can only hope."

• Blessing Adeoye [63:04]:
  "We're not going to answer that today, but that is an interesting question."

• Tim Gettys [62:20]:
  "Ladies, gentlemen and bees, let us know in the comments below. What is your favorite Nintendo 3D platformer?"

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This episode offers a comprehensive and engaging analysis of Nintendo's 3D platformer landscape, blending critical evaluation with passionate discourse and community interaction. Whether you're a long-time fan or new to these titles, the Kinda Funny Gamescast provides valuable insights into the evolving hierarchy of Nintendo's beloved platformers.

Transcript

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

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[Tim Gettys]

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[Blessing Adio Jr.]

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[Tim Gettys]

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[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Trust me, having a BFF like this is a total game changer.

[Barrett Courtney]

Foreign.

[Tim Gettys]

Yo, what's up? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Tuesday, July 15, 2025. I'm one of your host Blessing Adio Jr. Joining me is LaCroix, Poppy, Tim, Ma Bun, Gettys.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Oh, feels good. There's Nintendo in the air.

[Tim Gettys]

There is.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's awesome. I. I love it. Obviously we are pretty preparing for the launch of Donkey Kong Bonanza in just a few short days and everyone else is. It's awesome to see all the, the content creators that I follow doing Donkey Kong weeks. Just celebrating Donkey Kong. It is our time. Barrett's running the show right now. This is awesome, man. Don. The most important month of the year returns on Thursday. Donktober.

[Tim Gettys]

Dude, can we talk about our plan on Thursday?

[Barrett Courtney]

We can if you want.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, should we talk? Have we, have we talked about our plans on Thursday? I guess we did during khd. I was listening to it. Right, okay. Yeah. This Thursday, the most important year of the month returns or sorry. The most important month of the year returns.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's a state of mind. It's a people. It's a place.

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly. We're doing Donober this Thursday with me, Barrett and Tim. Tim's joining us through Dont as well.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Very excited about this.

[Tim Gettys]

Cuz the game is out on Thursday, right? Yeah. Yes, yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Launch day.

[Barrett Courtney]

Launch Tomorrow night at 9pm I think is when it unlocks.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

Wow. And so we're playing on Thursday. Damn. Because here's the thing, right? I told bit I was like I want, I want to be playing my copy. Yeah. Because I want to spend as much time with this game as possible. But that now means that I'm going to have to wait until Thursday to play the game.

[Barrett Courtney]

I mean, between you and me, do you want to wait until Thursday or do you want to. Do you want to be the one who plays tomorrow night and then we play on mine on Thursday?

[Tim Gettys]

I'll. I'll wait until Thursday. Okay.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

All right.

[Barrett Courtney]

I. I just wanted to give you the out I wanted to get if you could wait.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't have to wait until like the afternoon, but I can wait. Okay. All right. Can I wait? I think you can wait.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think you could do it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

God, I love it.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

We got some fun plans for Thursday.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm really excited. It's going to be a really fun time. But remember, this is the kind of Funny Games cast where each and every weekday we run you through the nerdy news. No, we don't. We get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games live on YouTube, Twitch and all podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the kind of Funny membership on Patreon, YouTube, Spotify and Apple podcasts to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live, and get a daily exclusive show. Like, can I physically wait a whole day before we get my hands on it?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, it's gonna. We'll see. I don't know.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'm giving you the out.

[Tim Gettys]

That's tough. We'll see. Let me wait, let me, let me get. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Cause it's tomorrow night, right?

[Barrett Courtney]

Tomorrow night at 9pm What I had.

[Tim Gettys]

To do is I had to find something else to occupy my time. Maybe I like finally deep dive into deltarune or something.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Well, something that you could do, unless you've already done it. Is our. Now that we haven't actually talked about is on Friday, you and I are going to kind of do an unofficial review. I don't think we need to score it or anything, but a discussion of the Astrobot Challenge levels.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh yeah, we are. Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

All the, the Speedrun levels and all. Just the. The challenge levels that they've been dropping over the last couple months. I did four out of five of the Speedrun ones as they dropped and then I didn't touch any of the challenge ones yet. So what. Where are you at with all.

[Tim Gettys]

I have done most of them. I only have like three levels left, but I could go back honestly, like, I would play some of them as they drop. So since we're talking about on Friday, I could use a refresher. So maybe I do do the thing where like I go through and I re beat everything just so I can be fresh with the conversation.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And you should do that too. Everybody in the spirit. I mean, I know I'm sure a lot of people playing Donkey Kong, but if you don't have a switch to and you do have a PS5, play through the Astrobot things in the next couple of days and then join us. Super Chat on Friday for your thoughts.

[Tim Gettys]

This is A whole week about 3D platform.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Which. God, it feels good.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, right?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I do this, man. I'm just like, damn. So last year, year, game of the year was a 3D platformer, AstroPod. Right. This year, we're days away from Donkey Kong. We don't know. Right now we're doing an episode called the Best Nintendo Platformers of all time. 3D platformers. Is that entire hierarchy of power about to shift and change?

[Tim Gettys]

Could you imagine?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

We can only hope.

[Tim Gettys]

Could you imagine?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Only hope, man.

[Tim Gettys]

Here's the thing, right? I believe in DK.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But like, could DK shake up the 3D platform? Well, we got to have a conversation about the 3D platformer hierarchy. Actually, we're getting ahead of ourselves.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, we are.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, we are. I have Questions about the 3D platformer hierarchy of how many 3D platformers are there actually to talk about? But we'll get there in a second for a chance to be a part of the show. Some, of course, you can submit your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go. Housekeeping for you. We're in a 11 person business. All about live talk shows. KFG, right before this was about Fallout 5 being greenlit. After this, Roger challenges Andy to Call of Duty. If you're a kind of funny member. Today's Greg Way is a Q and A. Then later today is our happy hour for our $25 supporters. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Delaney the Psalm, Twining, Carl Jacobs and Omega Buster.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I have one housekeeping thing I want to add because I got the email that I can officially talk about this now. Barrett, I just send assets a picture if you could bring it up. This is very, very exciting for me and hopefully you. If you're going to be in San Diego next week at Comic Con, your boy Tim Gettys is hosting the Marvel Cosmic Invasion Comic Con panel. I am incredibly excited about this. It's going to be awesome. We're going to have some of the voice actors from the game and some just the devs. It's gonna be great. If you're there, please join us. It's gonna be a blast. And I'm stoked. I've never hosted a Comic Con panel so that it's a Marvel one for a game that I'm very excited about.

[Tim Gettys]

Super excited.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Very, very, very cool. So, yeah. Thursday, July 24th at 4:45. If you're going to Comic Con, come.

[Tim Gettys]

Through, Come through, man. Panels are back.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Panels are back.

[Tim Gettys]

That's so fun. Hosting panels is such a fun Time. And so, yeah, I'm happy for you, dude.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's been a long time. Long time since I hosted a panel.

[Barrett Courtney]

Really?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Panel? I got a PAX or anything like that. Yeah, I think it was South Park.

[Tim Gettys]

No.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

The Fractured Butthole.

[Tim Gettys]

No.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

In like 2017. 2018, I think.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. Long pandemic, man. That's crazy. Just fucked everything up. I've done a million panels, but like game panels.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Like hosting and like talking to developers on stage. Dang. Well, there you go. Happening soon.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

See all next week.

[Tim Gettys]

Today we're brought to you by Shady Rays, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with topic of the show. A week ago on July 7, IGN posted an article titled Every Nintendo 3D Platformer Ranked. It was written by Ryan Guar at Ignition.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Okay. Before we even get into this, as we often do, we have to just say the things we think are even going to be on the list. Because what's interesting about this is what qualifies as a Nintendo 3D platformer.

[Tim Gettys]

Should we get. Should we get rid of the obvious answers? Because I wonder if this is a porn situation of you know it when you see it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Well, let's start.

[Tim Gettys]

But it's hard to define.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I think that we. Let's just go console by console.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And then list which ones we think will make it, which ones we don't think make the cut.

[Tim Gettys]

Is there a such thing as a 3D platformer on SNES? Or do we just start from Mario 64?

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, Mario 64.

[Tim Gettys]

Is there anything. I'm like Virtual Boy. Virtual Boy.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No, I think. I think from Nintendo specifically. N64 definitely would be the start there.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Mario 64.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Mario 64.

[Tim Gettys]

DK64.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yep.

[Tim Gettys]

Since it's Nintendo 3 platformer, we assume we're not doing banjo or anything like that, right?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That's the thing. I don't know. What if they're gonna count it or not? I could see them. I could see them counting it and being like, even though it's not technically blah, blah, blah. Or I could. This ignore time. I could see them doing an honorable mention or something. Like giving context if it has to be here. But it's not on the list. You know what I mean?

[Tim Gettys]

I know what you mean. Yeah. It's a weird one where, yeah, like banjo, It's. It's purely third party, right. But it was exclusive on. On N64, so like, I could see it either way. I don't think I'll be mad either way. Maybe I'll Be a little bit mad if it is included but like. Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm not super mad either way. Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

And it's like one of those weird ones where they published it as well technically.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, did Nintendo publish Banjo?

[Barrett Courtney]

That's what it says here, at least for N64.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And yeah, because that's the thing too about like.

[Barrett Courtney]

But I don't know if that's technically. Like every game that comes out on N64, Nintendo has to be like labeled as a publisher or something like that.

[Tim Gettys]

And DK64, I view is a different thing because it's Nintendo's IP. Like that is a you. Yeah, that is a Nintendo game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, that is. It's funny like it. It's such a stupid distinction. But you're right.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Like Donkey Kong country. They're Nintendo games even though they're made by Rare.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Like if Capcom made a Zelda game like they did.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, still. Still a Nintendo Nintendo game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Just cuz it's Zelda.

[Tim Gettys]

But if Rare makes a Rare game, it's not Nintendo, you know, so.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Okay, so yeah, no conqueror, no Banjo. We're talking about them though. So we're aware they exist.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but I mean that brings. So are there other Nintendo? Because here's the thing, right? If he included Bain stuff, then we're talking about Glover. Then we're talking about like fucking shit that I don't think should be on the list.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

For Nintendo developed 3D platformers, is the N64 that it?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Well, here's the thing that gets weird is there's the two 5D ones that obviously I wouldn't count, but there's an argument to be made that Kirby and the Crystal Shards. Oh, I don't think so. I would put that in the same category as Yoshi's story.

[Tim Gettys]

I agree.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I also don't think it's that great of a game.

[Tim Gettys]

I agree.

[Barrett Courtney]

So yeah, that'd be not best. It's every Nintendo 3D platformer.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

But like Kirby's not a 3D platform. We know you know it when you see it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. I mean I do know Kirby and the Crystal Shards.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I played it. Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

It is 3D assets. It has like they like curve around.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Sometimes like a die 2.5 D. I don't.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't think they count it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

You making the Yoshi story argument like. Yeah, that like that's also not a 3D platformer.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, but Kirby is a lot more 3D than Yoshi's story.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes, that's fair. That Is true.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Going through, like the roster of characters.

[Tim Gettys]

In my mind for Nintendo.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. Is it really just Mario 64?

[Tim Gettys]

That's Wild Kong 64. Yeah. Because then we're talking about Nintendo games, right? It is like the Zelda's, which you wouldn't call those 3D platformers. Dr. Mario came to mind, which is very blatantly not a fucking platform. Yeah. Like, I think that's just it for the like Diddy Kong race. Like. Like none of these would make sense.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

So then we hop to the GameCube. Unless there's any Game Boy shit, which I don't think there is. No.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No.

[Tim Gettys]

So Mario Sunshine.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Sunshine, for sure.

[Tim Gettys]

See, this is where I think things could get interesting. Because, like, what do we call Luigi's Mansion?

[Barrett Courtney]

Not a platform.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's not platform. You're not jumping at all.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

There's no platform.

[Tim Gettys]

What about Pikmin? No, no, no, no, no.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Oh, no.

[Tim Gettys]

Star Fox Adventures.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No, that's a Zelda.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, interesting. Okay.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, definitively.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. This is more clear cut than I imagined. What about the. Was it. Was there.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

There was a Wario.

[Tim Gettys]

I was gonna say, Was there a 3D Wario game?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Wario. Dang World. Wario. Wario World, which is a game that. I feel like I've said this before, but, like, that doesn't really exist.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's one of those ones that feels.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Trust you.

[Tim Gettys]

That feels very lost to time. Wario. But I'll type it out Wario World just for the sake of it. And I'll. You know what? I'll even put it below Sunshine. I'll even type it out below Sunshine.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. All right, we got Sunshine. Yeah. There was no Donkey Kong. God, it's funny. It just feels like there's not.

[Tim Gettys]

That's what I was getting at the beginning of. Like, what is the hierarchy of 3D platformers at Nintendo? Because I feel like it is mainly Mario.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. There has to be something we're missing on GameCube. But maybe not.

[Barrett Courtney]

Kebabs in chat says Metroid prime and Kebabs. I just need you to time yourself out.

[Tim Gettys]

Come on. Maybe then hop forward. Who we.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, I mean, Galaxy One, Galaxy Two.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm just gonna put those. I should tear these up. But I'm Gonna put Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2, like right above Mario 64.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Okay. I got Mario on the mind, man.

[Tim Gettys]

Now Super Paper Mario. Where do you land on that? No, I mean, the perspective changes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

That's way more platformer than rpg.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. But I would argue that the platforming isn't the challenge of the game. It's not the obstacle of the game.

[Tim Gettys]

What is the obstacle of the game is like more puzzling for the little. I did play a little bit of Super Paper Mario and like, I think I remember it being pretty platforming, at least compared.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Also, I mean that. That's a weird one because it's 2D and it's 3D. You could switch between the two, but like, there's not enough 3D platforming for me to think it's a 3D platformer. I would. I would argue being a two 3D platformer.

[Tim Gettys]

Elements like our RPG elements as 3D platform.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. See little Kevin behind Barrett?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

He's hanging out.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Oh, he's in there. I was like, what the fuck? How they do with this? I thought he was in the other room.

[Tim Gettys]

Also, people. People in chat are getting mad at my 3D platformer knowledge. I'm just trying to throw things out there. Yeah. We're having a conversation.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

What counts? Because I don't know.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, it's like a very. I think the reality is it's a more slim list of 3D platformers than.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

You'D expect coming from Nintendo Super Paper Mario. I mean, you could argue that game is many things because it is kind of just a lot of elements combined, but I would at the end of the day say that that game is a. I thought I had it. I lost it. I don't have. I was going to say it's like a platform action platform rpg, but like. And that's what it is.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm not mad at it. Yeah. Like some games are just weir. Like Super Paper Mario is just a weird game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's a weird game, man.

[Tim Gettys]

So, I mean, while we're here. Right on. On the Wii now I'm trying to think of other shit because there's also. Like, this is the same era now we're getting to DS time.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. Because like. All right, if we're just talking Nintendo, that. That's the thing that makes this a little easier because it has to be Nintendo characters.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

So there just aren't that many 3D platformers with Nintendo characters. So on the Wii, like that just like the Glover's thing that goes. There's a lot of things that. Like, yes, they were 3D platformers on the console, but they're not Nintendo.

[Tim Gettys]

Is it easier to go character by character?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Kinda.

[Tim Gettys]

Should we knock out just the Mario ones since that's. That's easy and work our way down? So. Yeah. We already wrote down Mario 64 galaxies 1 and 2 and Sunshine Odyssey, Odyssey.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

3D worlds, 3D world, 3D land. Mario 64ds yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

I was wondering if.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

If that one would count.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

There is a lot of differences in that game.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. The 3D world, 3D land and D64Ds.

[Barrett Courtney]

Does Bowser's Fury count as its own thing?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I think. I think it should.

[Tim Gettys]

I. I think it should also.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And yeah, I mean, that's. That's it for Mario.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean. Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

And then DK64.

[Tim Gettys]

DK64 for DK. And that's it Until. Until a few days from now.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. So then Pokemon Animal Crossing, Splatoon Fire. They just don't got any Toad.

[Tim Gettys]

Captain Toad.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Here's the. That's Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. Definitively not a platformer. He can't jump.

[Tim Gettys]

Fair enough.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

You can't jump.

[Tim Gettys]

Do they know that at ign?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I don't know. I can see them counting it.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, Kirby in the Forgotten Land.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Kirby. Well, yes, I guess that's the only one, which is crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

Great call out from.

[Barrett Courtney]

From chat there.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

We missing something like Princess Peach Showtime. But see, even that I'd say is more an action game.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's a weird one. I wouldn't call that a 3D platformer.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yes, it's weird because it's 3D and has platforms. Doesn't make that real, though.

[Tim Gettys]

That's. Yeah, that's for real.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Like, Devil May Cry, like, has platforming elements. It's not a 3D platformer.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, we could start arranging. Unless there's anything. If there's anything that we're missing Chat.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think that might be it, people. Some people in chat are saying Banjo Erasure. You. You missed our conversation earlier. But we're. We're trying to stick to Nintendo characters because we think that's what IGN probably.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess. I guess let's.

[Tim Gettys]

Because we don't have that many. Like, we have what. We have 12 games listed here now. If we're. If we're ranking these. This gets a really interesting. This gets really weird when we're ranking though, because there's like a clear, I think, divide of like what those. What that top tier is, and then everything else.

[Barrett Courtney]

64. Top tier.

[Tim Gettys]

Everything else.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's funny because, I mean, I might be jumping ahead a little bit here, but you talking about that top tier.

[Tim Gettys]

Right.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I feel that in that top tier there's so many factors at play. Obviously, because nostalgia plays such a huge thing the time and place of it coming out like Mario 64 is just a complicated one because I think that in you and I's hearts, it's number one or up there. At the very least, we would fight for it to be number one, even if we don't believe it is, you know. But I think that just like, for the sake of this conversation of what we're talking about, the Galaxy games, Odyssey, they're kind of on a different level, you know, And I feel that when we're talking about essentially Comparing tens in 3D platformers, what you're really comparing is the highs and the lows, like when. When is the game at its best and when is it at its worst?

[Barrett Courtney]

And also like how much influence it has, which always feels like a part of these conversations.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. But the thing about the games at its worst, I feel like the core thing about Nintendo platformers, it's the gimmick. And is the gimmick fun or not? Because you think about Mario Galaxy and the worst parts of that game are some of the gimmick stuff, the motion controls. People either love how it feels in that game or they don't. Pulling yourself to the stars and all that stuff. I feel like unanimously people's least favorite part of the Galaxy games.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Is the little like the ball rolling missions and the like manta ray stuff because it's gimmicky and doesn't feel great because it's motion control based and it just doesn't work that well. Sunshine, the entire game is the gimmick. The entire flood system is the gimmick. And if you don't like that, it's not good. Mario Odyssey is at its worst when the cappy abilities aren't good or aren't fun compared to the other ones. Right?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Odyssey, I think, is an example of a game that has a lot of highs and very few of those lows. But I think it's the gimmick thing that really stands out of defining one versus the other. Being able to actually try to compare them and decide which one. How do you rank these tens?

[Tim Gettys]

I have written a list that I think IGN, this is what I think the IGN list is going to be. I think number one is going to be Mario Odyssey. Number two is going to be Galaxy 2. Number three Galaxy 1 Number four Mario 64 Number five Mario 3D World number six Kirby in the Forgotten Land. Number seven, Bowser's Fury 8. DK 64 9. 3D Land 10. Sunshine 1164 DS 12 Wario World.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I think that you nailed it.

[Tim Gettys]

Right. Yeah, that feels right.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That does feel right. The questions that come to mind are, is Wario World gonna be. Because I can see them not having.

[Tim Gettys]

It.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Seems low there. Duty Land. I've said this a bazillion times. Underrated, but it's very underrated. But I also think that it is a product of 3D World makes it obsolete. I think it's one of those rare thing, the rare games in Nintendo's lineage where the world is just better. Like Land is awesome. I fucking love land. I've 100% that game multiple times because you have to play as Mario and Luigi and I've done that with both of them multiple times. But World is just all the great stuff, but more and way higher.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. And when I look at this list, right. Like what am I going to put land above? Maybe DK 64.

[Barrett Courtney]

I mean, I think you have DK 64 high.

[Tim Gettys]

Are you putting it below Sunshine? Yeah. No.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Not what I feel what I'm guessing IGN has.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I think you got to put some respect on DK Sunshine. We got to put some.

[Barrett Courtney]

Absolutely not. But here's the blessing. You know me, you know this is not how I feel. But you know, when I was awoken to the fucking hatred that the gaming journalists out there have for DK64, it was when I started at IGN. And I don't feel like that sentiment has changed at ign.

[Tim Gettys]

We gotta win now.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

We're trying to take it for Sunshine now. We're trying to be like, oh, let's. Let's be the, the voice of negativity.

[Barrett Courtney]

No. So Tim, I like, I get what you're saying about like the gimmick. Is the gimmick fun? And like that's what we're going to be with some of these games kind of comparing and stuff. I. I think people are like always assume that, you know, the, the haters of Sunshine hate Flood and only Flood. And I would argue that Flood as a mechanic is actually fun. And we do see some of those mechanics live on in games like Odyssey. Right. It's everything around Flood that is just not well designed or buggy as and just not fun.

[Tim Gettys]

Excuse my thing. I don't give a. About Sunshine. I'm still on DK64, man. Like that game is such a.

[Barrett Courtney]

That, that's. That's gonna be bottom two, I guarantee it.

[Tim Gettys]

It's a.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's a victim to a million different factors.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. But like I think one of the bigger, maybe the biggest factor, right. Is it Coming post Banjo Kazooie and it being like iterative of Benji Kazooie, but in a way that, like, in a way that made people directly compare it as opposed to taking it as its own thing. Because when you play DK64 and like without thinking about like how condensed down Banjo Kazooie is and probably how that makes it a bit more streamlined and all that shit, right? DK64, I view it as just like a fucking like endless, like greatly scaled platformer unlike anything else at the time. Like that game is fucking gigantic.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Greatly scaled in the use of the word great meaning large, large game that.

[Tim Gettys]

Is also filled with so much personality, that is filled with so much fantastic music that is fil. With so many collectibles and like, sure, I understand.

[Barrett Courtney]

Too many.

[Tim Gettys]

Too many collectibles, sure. But also like, it's an embarrassment of riches. You got to change the way that you look at these things. It's an embarrassment of fucking riches.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

The way I look at it is it's like having $1,000 but all in pennies. You know what I mean? It's a great way to put it.

[Barrett Courtney]

I was talking to Roger before this and talking about DK64. I do think a lot of sentiment would have changed and how people look back on Donkey Kong 64 if you're.

[Tim Gettys]

Able to swap characters in real time.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

In real time. Instead of having to kind of do like the back and forth of like, okay, I'm going to go to the back to this barrel, switch out over to Tiny Kong and then go back to wherever I was. That where I found like a puzzle specifically for her. Right. That and the amount of collectibles is. Is ridiculous.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. And that. That stuff. But that's like.

[Barrett Courtney]

I think that only is like in the way if you're specifically trying to 100% the game which most people are not going to play that way, you know?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I don't know. I think there is a. There is a vibe and like a. An energy to that game that for me has obviously for me and Barrett has stood the test of time because we're so nostalgic for it. Right. I think that comes down to the presentation, the music, the person. Again, the personality of the characters were like, we make fun of it. Right. Like Tim, I sent you the Smash remix, which is like this fan made version of Smash 64 that is essentially like, what if you made Smash ultimate on the N64 and they made like a 14 minute trailer for their 2.0 update, adding a new character.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Incredible. You all need to check this.

[Tim Gettys]

It's a really great video that you all need to watch. Even though I'm going to spoil the last reveal reveal for you. The last reveal of the video is them revealing Linky Kong as a playable character. And like, that did something to my soul where I'm like, that's my guy. You know what I mean? Like, Linky Kong is like something that, like, sits with me. Funky or not. Well, funky. Yeah. But like Chunky Kong and like the family of Kongs as represented Kong man as represented in DK 64. Like, I think that game does so much justice to the amount of personality you can pull out of the Kongs and also how much personality you can pull out of the Kremlins. King K Rule coming in with a ship with a laser pointed at the DK aisle and game over being him being blowing that shit up like, so good.

[Barrett Courtney]

And that's his final smash in Ultimate. It's so good.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. There's so, like. There's so much in that game that I think just works and then like a small handful of things that really don't work that I think do. Do I think spoil the game for a lot of people playing. Especially on the critical side of. If I'm reviewing this as a video game, I totally understand being like, this shit is bloated. But men did that shit, like, stick as a kid. That's my argument.

[Barrett Courtney]

I still think it's bottom two on ignorance.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, probably.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And, well, here's the thing. Like, like, all bullshit aside, it probably deserves to be bottom two. And Sunshine probably does as well. Actually, it does. Like, my only thing is I don't have experience with Wario world.

[Tim Gettys]

We got 64Ds on here also.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, but 64Ds kind of rocks. It just has a couple of problems. Yeah, big problems.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

But I put 64Ds over sunshine.

[Tim Gettys]

Really? I never played 64 decent. So. Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, 64Ds.

[Tim Gettys]

I've only seen video of it and I'm like, oh, man, this looks interesting.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, it was a DS game. Yes. Launch game. But like having the multiple playable characters. Like you could play as Mario, Yoshi, Wario and Luigi in it. Like, that's freaking sick. All with different abilities. And it changed the stars up. Like, you should play through at some point. Being such a Mario 64 lover. Like, it's just Mario 64 remixed a bit. Like. And some. Some things are. Are fixed and better and some things aren't. A lot things aren't. The controls aren't ideal because you need to. It controls more like 3D Lander World. We have to like hold a run button to run. Which in 64 is just not designed that way.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

If it was on the 3Ds. God, that game would rock.

[Tim Gettys]

Because that game, I'm assume doesn't have like analog stick controls.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No, because it was.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Well, they. They helped. Good lord. There was the thumb attachment that you could have your thumb on the touchscreen and it was like a stupid little thumbstick. Can you try to find an image of this, Barrett? God, that was.

[Barrett Courtney]

That took me back.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

God.

[Tim Gettys]

Awesome. That sounds insane.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

But you could play Mario 64DS on the 3DS and then you get the analog stick. But it's still not true analog. It's just pretending a D pad inputs are analog. So. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Interesting. All right.

[Barrett Courtney]

Are you talking about this thing?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah. Oh.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Oh.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Well, we're gonna get in Gross to IGN's actual list before actually before we move out of here. Are we like. Hold on. Sorry. I don't think we're actually open the YouTube video. Are we missing any games? Like I feel like we're missing something.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I just don't.

[Tim Gettys]

You must be missing.

[Barrett Courtney]

We were almost missing Kirby. But like I. I cannot think of.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

But we just didn't get to the switch.

[Tim Gettys]

Like. Yeah, like.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. I mean let's talk about Wii U and Switch. Donkey Kong was 2D.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Yeah. Captain. Well, yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean we're not doing Captain Toad. I. I don't think it is.

[Tim Gettys]

You would think that Nintendo put out.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

More three definitively is a puzzle platformer.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It is not it.

[Tim Gettys]

It's a 3D puzzle platformer.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Would we count Chibi Robo Ask Chat.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Another game that I don't really have experience with. So.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, it was never a three.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I don't know.

[Tim Gettys]

Chibi Robot. I'm not sure. We do have Warrior World on the list. For the person in chat asking, I also do want to bring in a couple super chats. Neil writes in, says birthday tax stoked to be spending birthday with. Kind of funny. Happy birthday, Neil. And then kebab says I was in the top 50 of the first four speed runs. I don't know what game they're talking about probably. Oh, that's fun. That's really cool. All right, we're going to hop into the IGN list proper. But before we do want to tell you about patreon.com kind of funny and YouTube.com kind of funny games where you can go and get the kind of Funny membership which allows you to get shows ad free. Speaking of ads, let us tell you about our sponsors.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

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[Tim Gettys]

And we're back again. This is iGen's list. Every Nintendo 3D platformer ranked is written by Ryan Guar. Went up July 7th as last week.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

As I open this article, it has 11 entries. Him.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Okay. And we made 12.

[Tim Gettys]

And we made 12. Which means Bowser's Fury is probably not there. I think Bowser's fear is probably lumped in.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Mario is not there. You don't feel Mario 64. Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, I don't think that was there. Right. Why would they count? Why would they not count that?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean it. Just because it's Mars 64 like it is. There is more to it, but.

[Tim Gettys]

He.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Has more unique content than Mario 6040 yet.

[Barrett Courtney]

But do you think they just don't tie it into Bowser's Fury plus 3D world?

[Tim Gettys]

I think because that's like. Because that expansion.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, but from like years later, like, I don't know, Bowser's Fury to me is. There's so much more there.

[Tim Gettys]

Fair enough. At number 11, we got Don Kong 64. You fucking bastards.

[Barrett Courtney]

I knew it. Bless.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean it was inevitable, man.

[Tim Gettys]

We. One day, one day we're going to show some respect. We're going to put some respect on Don Kong's name. I hope DK Bonanza comes through and fucks Mario Odyssey. That's what I hope now.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

I hope DK Bonanza fucks Mario Odyssey. I hope that game is so fucking good that IGN has to create a new fucking number and be like, oh, it's an 11. Oh, shit, it's 11 out of 10. I don't know what to tell you. Fucking DK is doing the thing.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

So in your dream world, then, Donkey Kong's top and bottom of the list?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Oh, you son of a bitch. You son of a gun.

[Barrett Courtney]

Despite some glowing reviews at the time of its release, Donkey Kong 64 has become Nintendo's default bad platformer.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Fuck you.

[Tim Gettys]

Fuck y'. All.

[Barrett Courtney]

In theory, the barrage of ideas the game throws at you are pretty cool. And it's easy to see how reviewers at the time were impressed by DK64 size. It infamously contains almost 4,000 items to collect.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

So, I mean, real question for the two of you.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Would you put Donkey Kong 64 above any Mario game that you've. Any 3D Mario game that you've played?

[Barrett Courtney]

Sunshine.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Any other.

[Tim Gettys]

I've played a little bit of Sunshine, and. Yes. But, like, I've not played enough Sunshine to make that, like, a definitive thing.

[Barrett Courtney]

If I'm trying to do a fair balance, because nothing is truly unbiased.

[Tim Gettys]

Right.

[Barrett Courtney]

If I'm trying to do a fair balance between, like, my. My personal history of the game and then also just looking at the games themselves, I think it would. The only game would be Sunshine that I would put it above.

[Tim Gettys]

I like this question. I kind of want to say Bowser's Fury.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No.

[Barrett Courtney]

Oh.

[Tim Gettys]

I want to say, do you remember.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

How good Bowser's Fury is?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but I also remember. I still remember how good DK64 is.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That implies that Bowser's Fury is, like, next on the list. That's crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

But we're talking. You're asking about personal taste. Yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That's what you think it's better that you think that 3D lands better than Bowser's Fury?

[Tim Gettys]

I'd not play with 3D land. Is the DS1 3DS. Never played 3D land. I only play 3D World.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

And, yeah, I would say 3D World is better than Bowser's Fury. Yeah. But I. I think that's also just a scale and scope thing. Right. If Bowser's Fury was longer, then I'll probably lean towards Bowser's Fury because. Yeah, like that three. Three to what? Four hours of Mario game, Maybe at most. Like it is. That is what I want out of a Mario game out of a 3D Mario game. I think I just wanted a lot more out of Bowser's Fury. That's probably my main thing with it. It was longer than, than. I'll probably put it above DK 64 for me.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Satisfying 100%, man. Six, seven hours. Call it a day.

[Tim Gettys]

Listen, have you ever felt the satisfaction of 100 percenting DK 64? Have you? No. One day I will. And let me tell you, we only.

[Barrett Courtney]

Got you to just beat the game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Finally, five years ago.

[Tim Gettys]

One day I will. I. One day before I die, we'll do the 101.

[Barrett Courtney]

I will.

[Tim Gettys]

101% DK 64.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No, you won't.

[Tim Gettys]

And have the best orgasm of my life.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Metal gear solid 5. Before you do that.

[Tim Gettys]

Hey, before I die. That's the problem.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That's the promise to you, the audience promise everybody.

[Tim Gettys]

That was the. Put it on the calendar, number one. Listen, I don't know if I could do that on content. I had to do that in private. Number 10, we got Super Mario 3D land the 3DS game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

See, we're here at a place that we're just talking about some of the best games of all time. So while number 10 on any list is like, oh, man, that's not that great. Yeah, it is.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I can't fathom anything above this list and being like, they're crazy. Unless. Except for Wario, which I just don't know about.

[Tim Gettys]

And yeah, it's interesting.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

We're not.

[Tim Gettys]

We've not seen War yet. And number nine, maybe Wario is good.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

We just don't know.

[Tim Gettys]

That's actually a good point. We got Bowser's Fury at number nine.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Damn.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, how's that sit with you?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, just because of how short it is, like, that bothers people. To me, that's a plus for this game. Like, I feel like it's such a focused experience. It's not perfect. It's definitely not perfect, but it's really, really damn good.

[Tim Gettys]

I, I, I really enjoyed this experience. This is one that I. Yeah, like, you know how we all had the theory that, like, this is what is. This is the experimentation that Nintendo is doing for their next big 3D Mario game. I hope that's still true. Like, I hope that, like, even Donkey Kong Bonanza that we're getting, I hope we see hints of Bowser's Theory in that. Like, I don't know how we would, but, like, I want this to be the future of where Nintendo goes with 3D platformers, because I love the Openness of Bowser's Fury. At number eight, we got Super Mario Sunshine.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I think that's insane that this is above Bowser's Fury.

[Tim Gettys]

Personally, I feel that at number seven, we got Kirby in the forgotten land.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, I fucking love to see it.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I want to say this is too low, but like I just said, I don't think it is. Like, when we're talking about being real, comparing Kirby in the forgotten land to what the next six games most likely are, I can't. I can't say that.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, like, Wario World being above this. Yeah, like, Kirby I really love. I remember not loving it as much as you, and I think Janet, I think might have voted on it for game of the year that year. It was like. It was a fun time. And then those last three hours and those last three hours, incredible. But, like, all building up towards that. I was like, okay, yeah, this is cute. That's fun.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, dude. I fuck with Kirby in the forgotten land. This one is. It's interesting placement because I'm trying to think. On the list that I wrote down, right, I have five games ahead of it being Mario 3D World, 64, 1 2, and Odyssey. In the list that I have written down, the only games theoretically that would be above it would be 64Ds or Wario World, which, like, I don't know.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

So we're missing one.

[Tim Gettys]

I think we're either missing one or the half 64Ds at number six, which I don't believe. Right.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. I don't know. That sounds crazy. I mean, that. That's. You're wild for doing that. Kirby's way better than that.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, now I'm back on the Captain Toad trade.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Oh, that will piss me.

[Tim Gettys]

Because, like, what I. Unless there's something worth.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's just not. Dude, that's like saying that the original Donkey Kong is a platformer. You're jumping and there's platforms. It's not.

[Tim Gettys]

Whoa. The original Donkey Kong is a platformer? A 2D platformer?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No, no.

[Tim Gettys]

The arcade Donkey Kong, I'd say it's.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

A 2D puzzle platformer. You have to add puzzle there. Like, it's not a platformer.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, that's what defines a platformer for you.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I don't know.

[Barrett Courtney]

He knows when he sees it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, look, technically, by definition, yes, but, like, when we know video games for what they are and there's buckets that.

[Tim Gettys]

Exist, that's for me, it's jumping. Like, for me, it's like the main Mechanic is like, leaping over things and, like, timing that leap. I know that's like, so specific, but I feel like that's like the thing that ties everything together, which is why I would. I'm with you on Captain Toad because, like, you're climbing, right? Like, you're climbing and navigating and then, like, trying to. Again, I should play Captain Toad, right? But, like, yeah, you're collecting the things, but it's not necessarily a game based around jumping. Whereas dk, the original Donkey Kong is like, that's all you're doing, right, Is jumping and getting the hammer and breaking things.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

But, yeah, I mean, you know, the arguments I'm making in my head, like, don't even hold up because I'm thinking, like, side scrolling. But it's like, they don't need to be side scrolling to be a 2D platformer.

[Tim Gettys]

It could.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't know, Delta 2, that's a side scroller.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah, you're right.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. It also has a lot of jumping. Oh, no. All right, at number six, we got Super Mario 3D World.

[Barrett Courtney]

I would put this higher. I really adore this game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I adore this game too. But again, Barrett, I know it's like, higher. It's like, what's.

[Barrett Courtney]

For me, it's one of those, like, I, like I have the Andy brain where it's like, what would I rather play now? And if it's like, between this and Mario 64, which I know you guys are gonna yell at me about, like, it would be this game.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

My thing with this is I go back to the argument I made about 3D world and 3D land, where I feel like this made land obsolete. It's not obsolete. Definitely not. But if I was making a list, I'd break up the Galaxy games with this. Oh, you know what I mean? Just. Just to give this one the extra props, because I wanted. I really do believe this is up there. I don't believe it's better than Galaxy, though.

[Tim Gettys]

If I. If I can make a confession that I'm slightly. I'm not ashamed about, but I know I'm in the wrong about. For some reason, 3D world just never hit the highs for me of like a. A proper 3D Mario or a proper 2D Mario. You know what I mean? Like, I think I. I do like 3D world more than like, the new Super Mario Brothers games and stuff, right? Like out of those modern ones. But like, when I look at the galaxies or Odyssey or Mario 64, or if I look at Mario 3 Mario World, right? Like, the 2D Marios that I love, I 3D world hits that like, middle part that like splits the difference in a way that I don't. I. I don't see it as like in that same tier of like the high, like the big boys. I know, it's weird. Like, I don't know.

[Barrett Courtney]

I get what you're saying because like, the design around it is much more in that linear like quote unquote, linear 2D space.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Like, I have it probably, if I were to tear them out. Right. Like if. If Mario Galaxy and Odyssey and shit is like S tier and I'm putting New Super Mario Brothers at like B tier. This is a tier to me. And I don't know why. It's because I feel like everybody else has it at that S tier. At least I do. You have it at the S tier.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. And that's the problem is.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

If you would ask me is Mario 3D World S tier, I would say yes. Then you're like, okay, what are the other S2 Mario games? And does this game belong with those? I don't know that I can fully say yes to that. That's where it gets a little bit weird because we're talking.

[Tim Gettys]

I guess we're probably the same because I think that's where I mean, look.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Here'S the thing I keep talking about. Like we're comparing tens. This isn't a 10, is like 9.55. In my mind. This is a 9.5.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I should replay this game though. I like, I remember during the pandemic when y' all were doing like your 4 player co op playthroughs and maybe that's the thing because I think that's like I never had that experience. And I think what made the original like New Super Mario Brothers on the Wii, even though I just called it beat here, but like what made that game special and memorable to me was playing the Co op. Even though I know like co op isn't even that great. But like sharing that experience with other people, I think made it in the same way, honestly, that sharing Super Mario Brothers 3 back in the day on NES with my sisters, playing that with them and passing them back and forth, that did also make that experience for me.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. But you take that away, it's still fucking amazing. That's a good point about this too. Is like, I look at the multiplayer experience of 3D World as a completely different experience than doing it solo. And like it is designed more for the four player type stuff, or at least multiplayer But I, I, to me, really earlier I was saying, like, the thing that breaks the games for me is the, when the gimmicks aren't good, for me, the things that make them really stand out is how fun is it to 100? How much is there? And I think that's a big thing against Sunshine. There's a lot of bullshit, like the blue coins are excessive and not as clever as they should be for how many there are and how much of the game that is. And I feel like the Galaxy games too, like the green stars and stuff, like they weren't necessarily putting the game in a way that incentivizes you to want to 100% it. I think the Mario games have gotten really good at that. And this game, I think is really good about making you want to get every single thing.

[Tim Gettys]

All right, let's move on to number five. We got. Oh, wait, we got honorable mention.

[Barrett Courtney]

You called it, Tim.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I respect this. Absolutely handle this.

[Tim Gettys]

Love that. At number five, we got Captain Toad.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

How are you gonna just take no treasure? All the props I just dragged.

[Tim Gettys]

No, also this high, Captain. Yeah, this high is kind of crazy.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

A spin off mode from Mario 3D World. Like, what are we talking about here? I'm saying this is someone that loves this game. Loves this game. Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Kicks ass.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

8.5 though.

[Barrett Courtney]

I would give it a 9.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Really?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

I adore Treasure Tracker. But the thing is, is that like the chat, like, people are like, ah, yeah. Vindicated in the chat. Like, yes, there are technically platforms, but that's not like the core interaction you're having with this game of how like you're getting from place to places. Platforming, it is designed specifically in terms of like a puzzle mindset.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Not a platforming mindset. And that's why I just like, I.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Can'T fathom the argument.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I think platforming is about execution. Right. And like, this strikes me as more like, again, you guys can speak to it, to it more than I can. Right. But like more navigate to where you figure out where you're supposed to go or like, what's the right route to the thing. I'm sure there's some timing involved because I'm looking at those platforms there and it look like they're turning or whatever. So you're going to want to do that. Right. But I feel like jumping has to be the core mechanic. Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

To consider a platformer.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

This is bullshit.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I don't like this. Yeah. I mean, a lot of, a lot of people in chat, I think are agreeing with You. A lot of people aren't feeling this as a pick. Dang. Well, that makes the top four way more clear. Then at number four, we got Super Mario 64.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I get it. I think that this is probably the right spot for this when we're talking about the games that we are. I also really, really commend IGN and gamers as a unit for understanding that Galaxy and Galaxy 2 both ridiculously slap.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what's funny is that, like, I think you're. When you were Talking about Mario 3D World, you mentioned, like, this is where you would split up the galaxies. And like, for me, this is the moment where I'm like, now you split up the galaxies. I love galaxies 1 and 2. I don't love them so much. To them, put both of them above Mario 64. One of y' all is coming down. I'm sorry, Galaxy One, you're coming down. Even though I love your soundtrack and I love your vibes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But the motion control stuff might have been too much for me. Yeah, you're coming.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I love a lot of the motion control stuff in Galaxy. I think it actually works with the game. It's just there's the gimmicky motion control stuff. That's where I'm like, I. I feel like it doesn't always hit where I need it to. Again, we're talking about the gimmicks don't need to just be literal gimmicks of motion controls and stuff. Like Mario's all about power ups. Are the power ups fun and are they using creative ways and do they like introduce them and then like flip it on its head and make you use them in conjunction with a bunch of other things?

[Barrett Courtney]

Do they recontextualize how you are interacting with the game as a 3D platformer?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course I think there's always the. The ever going conversation that's going to last forever. As far as you know, how well or how badly is Mario 64 age? Which I totally understand. And I totally understand is a big factor. Right. Like, I don't think I can keep getting mad anymore@Mars D4 being put like lower on a list than games that are super duper modern and polished by today's standards?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Honestly, I feel like it's a. A silly argument to have.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Because it's like it. What we're talking about is like, yeah, like the system's been refined so much. The comparing Odyssey to 64, it's like anything about the movement and locomotion and all this.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, the camera or whatever. Even though I. I definitely like the movement and locomotion of it, I'll always push back because, like, I know this is definitely like my nostalgia bias, like brain of. I played Mario 64 as a kid and I played it all throughout my life. So of course Mario 64 feels great to me. But I can't imagine getting my hands on that controller with Mario and Mario 64 moving him around and it not feeling great. You know, it not feeling like the way move it. Not like I feel like he moves so perfectly. Camera. I totally understand. Right. Pressing a button to move a camera fucking sucks. And I totally get that. But I feel like the movement of Mario and like the controls of him and him climbing the tree and flying and all that stuff. For me, all that stuff is still intuitive to this day.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. The stuff that makes Mario 64 special is still special. And I think that a lot of it is unmatched.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Like, I think that the Peach's castle as a hub world. We haven't ever seen a hub world that good.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And speaking of secrets, speaking of like getting stars and stuff in the castle itself, finding different levels, like, the way that it's organized, like, it is the best. And they like, they gave up on even trying after a certain point.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I'm surprised. Yeah, I'm surprised that we're not. This is why we gotta do a list at Some point that is top 10 hub worlds in video games. I like that because I want to do. I like, we got to do an analysis to see like. Like, did we not get close with any. With any of the other ones? I really like dk. I'll. But like, obviously, like the world might not have.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Well, so what's interesting to talk about hub worlds is what are. What's their function? Or is it literally just a way to get to the next level? Because it's like you think about like Crash Bandicoot Warped, right?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's like there is like the little hub world, but like, there's no secrets or very few secrets, if there are any. And there's no gameplay there, really. It's kind of just like a.

[Tim Gettys]

It.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's a. A convoluted menu, essentially. Like, instead of going down a list of things, you're walking around and going to a list of things. Yes, right. Whereas like Mario 64, there's secrets aplenty, there's a gameplay, there's like you're doing a lot of the stuff that you do in the levels in the hub world. Same for Delfino Plaza. Same for Comet Observatory. But then Mario Gasly 2 just said it. You get Starship Mario. Because Common Observatory wasn't that good.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even more even. Like, Nintendo themselves were like, man, yeah, we're giving. We're giving this up. Banjo games had, like, good help worlds, but even those, it's like, I don't remember those being as filled to the room with secrets as I remember Mars before being. Yeah, I would love to do that.

[Barrett Courtney]

List battle for Bikini Bottom, I think is up there.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, shit.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

Because there's, like, if we're talking about just as much, like, things to do in the places, like secrets to find and collectibles to find, like, outside of just the normal levels, like, spongebob does that just.

[Tim Gettys]

Mario Odyssey should have had a hub world. I don't know what that would have been. Because the whole gimmick of it, that's.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

The thing is, like, each world is a hub world. Right. Like, I think that's kind of the difference of, like, these. The more modern games, it's like, they don't need a hub world because, like, that's just what the whole thing is.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. But I think there's something special about a centralized location that you keep coming back to.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah. Like, I mean, I. I get that.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And that's the thing is, like, for all the sunshine, slander some I understand, some I don't. Delfino Plaza rocks. Like, it is big. It is cool. There's a lot of things to do in it. I do think that some of the blue coins, like I said earlier, like, aren't the best collectibles, but, like, that is a hub world that changes over time in a way that I think is very rewarding.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I mean, Chats at Spyro. I like the Spyro hub worlds as well. I remember that being a thing of, like, me running around and just around in those worlds. All right, that was number four. Before we move on to number three, final predictions here, I'm gonna say the question is, for me, do they split up the galaxies? Because I could see it being.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That'd be fucking insane.

[Tim Gettys]

I could see being two. Odyssey one.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Wow. Nah, man.

[Barrett Courtney]

Nah, Wait, you're putting two at three.

[Tim Gettys]

Two at number one. Sorry.

[Barrett Courtney]

Oh, two at number one.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'm right there with you.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Definitively, two is going to be above one. I think that time has won out. That didn't always used to be the case. I remember I used to be one of the people rocking for that, and there was a lot of People questioning me. And now, no, like now everybody just. Just come to their senses and understand the two is better than one. Having said that, I. I will say this till the day I die. Between Galaxy 1 and 2 there is a perfect game. I don't think either of them are perfect though. Like I think both of them. If you cut the bad out of each of them and just combined the good parts.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

I actually. And knowing ignore and thinking about like other Nintendo related lists, like if this was a Zelda list, like number one would be Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom, which I think we have done on this show. So I would say yeah, probably Odyssey 2 and then 1.

[Tim Gettys]

Even though my like my personal taste, I'll put Odyssey number one. Like Odyssey is my favorite 3D Mario aside from 64. Maybe even more than 64. But I. There's something undeniable about Galaxy though. Though I feel like Galaxy, just as a sub brain of 3D Mario is just so strong conceptually. It's so interesting, it's clean, it's polished, it's like, you know, it has that like straightforward obstacle design. But then also it's open at the same time to some extent. Right? Not as much as Odyssey, but it's open enough for you to have that exploration fulfilled.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

In the same way that Mario 64 is so special because of its secrets and the magic of Mario 64 and like, does it hold up now? And all that stuff aside, the magic is undeniable. Mario Galaxy I don't think will ever be matched again in terms of sheer epicness. Like the fully orchestral soundtrack for the first time. One of the first times in video games, period. Not just Mario or not just Nintendo. Just like, holy shit, they went so hard with the songs in that game and the set pieces and Mario getting blasted through space and the way the gravity works, like, holy. I don't know. We always talk about obviously Mario 64 being like one of the greatest leaps in video game history of going from 2D to 3D and all this stuff. But like the jump to Mario Galaxy in terms of gameplay and what they're doing, the sheer creativity of. Yeah, where do we take Mario next? Space. What does that look like? And how does that affect gameplay? I don't really we'll ever see something like that again. Yeah, and it's Nintendo, so maybe we will.

[Tim Gettys]

But like space is just cool, man. That's what it comes down to for me is like space is just like. Yeah, it is. It is. Like where can you leap to? But then I think it's also, like, just conceptually, I don't know, there's something that is weird but also fun, like Mario Odyssey, right. Being this travel thing of, you know, we're taking a road trip kind of thing. Like, it's cool, right? But there's something about space that's just.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like, well, you do end up on the moon.

[Tim Gettys]

I guess you do end up on the moon. But even still, like, there's something about it.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah. It's not. It's not the same as.

[Tim Gettys]

It's not the same as Galaxy.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Galaxy really just takes advantage of the space setting in terms of gameplay, and it's fun as.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And there's a lot of great stuff to do. The bosses are high points, I'd say, for the. The Mario franchise. At the very least. They were, like, a demonstrable step up from what Mario 64 and Sunshine had and have set the standard now for what we expect from 3D World and from Odyssey and things like that. So. Yeah, I don't know. Galaxies, man, they're. They're goddamn special. But I think that IGN is going to have Odyssey at number one.

[Tim Gettys]

And I mean, really. Oh, yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I. I think there's no chance that they put Galaxy at number one. I think that Odyssey is. If we're going to say that Mario 64 hasn't aged well, well, Odyssey is the newest. And guess what? Because of that, it is the best. Because we're talking about people, a team that refines their work over and over and over again.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, well, let's get into it. At number three, you got Super Mario Galaxy 1.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Love that.

[Tim Gettys]

I think we expected this, right? Yeah. At number two, we got Super Mario Galaxy 2. Tim. Nailed it. Meaning at number one, you got Super Mario Odyssey.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

You can't be mad. You really just.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, you can't be mad.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I'm out of Captain Toad. Yeah. Otherwise, this makes sense. I will say, having experienced this in the last couple months, I guess last month with the switch to dropping, like, popping into a bunch of games, popping back into Mario Odyssey is a little daunting. And, like, it takes. It's harder for me to, like, get back into the swing of it of.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like, the locomotion and stuff.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

No, the movement of the game's great, but, like, the figuring out what I'm doing, like, now that I'm, you know, probably 70% of all the stars, I never 100 percented it. And that's another thing is, like, my Odyssey, I feel like, dissuaded me from. Is that the right word? I don't know.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Too many moons.

[Barrett Courtney]

Way too many.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Way too many moons. And like, not all of them. Like, most of them didn't feel like they had weight and consequence to the missions. Way too many just doing the same thing over and over and over and over again of just, like, not fun stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

And again, we're nitpicking here. Like, we're talking about what I think is a 10 out of 10 game. But jumping back in now, even if I wanted to 100% it, I don't feel like the game helps you get back into it and go where you're missing things, you know?

[Tim Gettys]

Barrett, is there a way you can bring up gameplay of Wario World? Because I can. If I'm ranking of. If I'm rating this being either either the shit or shit list. The name of this list is every Nintendo 3D platformer ranked. I'm gonna look up who the developer was. Wario World, because I got.

[Barrett Courtney]

Either way. It's published by Nintendo, wasn't it?

[Tim Gettys]

Intelligent systems developed by Treasure.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Treasure. Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Published by Sony. No, I'm just kidding. Published by Nintendo, brother. This is a 3D platform.

[Barrett Courtney]

You're gonna, like, put Captain Toad, but you're not gonna put Wario World on here.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know, man.

[Barrett Courtney]

This is crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know, dog. I mean, a lot. Well, no, yeah, there's 3D. I was gonna say, like, maybe this is a Kirby crystal shards thing.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, it kind of is.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. But Kirby.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

This is more 3D though.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Kirby only moved on that 2D plane for the most part. I don't remember being able to move in a 3D plane in Kirby here. He's okay.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Yeah.

[Barrett Courtney]

So Captain Toad is definitively a puzzle game.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I think between this missing Captain Toad being there and then also, like, I'll make an argument that I'm. I'm surprised that 64Ds is not there. Like, I understand this a remake of 64, but I feel like from what I've seen in 64ds, it looks different enough to where. Like, if I was talking about Mario 64 casually. Right. Like, you make the assumption that I'm not talking about the DS version, but talking about the DS version. I'd say the DS version. You know what I mean? So I feel like it should get its own entry in there. Especially with Bowser's Fury as an expansion kind of situation. Real talking its own entry.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, 100%, both, countless times.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I could see the argument either way. If you're going to make a list of every single one. Then it's like, why wouldn't you just include every single one? Yeah, but I also wouldn't be mad if just in the Mario 64 blurb they said there was the DS version, but blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and I'd be okay with that.

[Tim Gettys]

And I tried looking that up and my Google or, sorry, my control F isn't picking up any references even in the article.

[Barrett Courtney]

I don't think I can give this list. Either it's shit or the shit. Because it's just. It's incomplete.

[Tim Gettys]

I think I got to give it a thumbs down. That + DK64 being in the last place. It's not even a bit. All right. Respect on my boy.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

That is so funny.

[Tim Gettys]

Tim, is this list the. Or is it for you?

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, I. I can't. I. There's things about it I don't like. But at the end of the day, they. They got the majority right. I think so.

[Barrett Courtney]

Can't be mad at it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I. The fact that they have both galaxies that high, I can't be mad at it. I respect it. N64 as well. And that Kirby's on the list.

[Tim Gettys]

Kirby is on the list.

[Barrett Courtney]

If we had to take a guess, does Donkey Kong actually change the hierarchy blessing?

[Tim Gettys]

That's a good question. DK Bonanza coming in. Yeah. I mean, now that we've seen the hierarchy unequivocally, it has to. If it doesn't change any sort of high, I mean, the list is way more thin than I thought. So DK Bonanza has to be.

[Barrett Courtney]

They have the Galaxy games, dude in 64.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm not even talking about that high. I'm just looking at the top five. It has to enter top five. I think, I think it has to be better.

[Barrett Courtney]

My expectation is somewhere around that Kirby's one.

[Tim Gettys]

Kirby's number seven.

[Barrett Courtney]

Yeah, that's my expectation that I'm still gonna have a fun time with.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I think from playing it, the limited 20 minute experience I had. I was also saying that like, I think this is going to be a Kirby and the forgotten Land level game, which again, high compliment, but it's not.

[Tim Gettys]

Odyssey looking at this. But it is. But now we know it's Odyssey.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

It's Odyssey team, dude. Like I. I am never going to doubt them.

[Tim Gettys]

Also, have we talked about like how.

[Barrett Courtney]

They just like confirmed that, which is. It feels so opposite of what they've done in the last few years.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, we talked about it. We talked about it on. On akhd. Well, Some people talked about. I don't know who was on it, but, like, that is kind of insane. They came out and said it.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I feel like they were kind of forced to, though. Like, I feel like. And maybe I'm wrong about this, but, like, it feels like Rebecca Valentine was like, like, showed up at their office with a shotgun. Do this.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, tell me right now.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Okay.

[Barrett Courtney]

Like, do we also think it might be a little bit of, like, don't expect a Mario from them in the next year because there were still like, kind of of expectations or hopes that a new Mario game would be coming out either this year or next year.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I don't think Nintendo cares about people's hopes and dreams.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I think the more mystery Nintendo can like, you know, veil over their. Their stuff going on, like, the. They'll do it. I think. Yeah. I think. Honestly, I think there's they. I think part. Part of why they say it is because it's kind of obvious. Like, when you look at DK Bonanza, like, again, playing, the more we've seen.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

I mean, watching that direct, it's like watching the direct changed my thoughts from what we played.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Then I'm like, okay, the Kirby and Forgotten Land expectations may be out of whack.

[Tim Gettys]

Sure. You know? Yes.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

But having said that, it is. There's still a lot of things. I have a lot of questions about this game because just breaking a bunch of this goes back to the gimmicks. Do they find fun, creative ways to make that last the entire game and make me want 100 it, or am I just mashing buttons and breaking stuff? That's fun and that's cool, but, like, we're talking about the Mario team here and we're not getting a Mario game.

[Tim Gettys]

It being. Okay, this is what I'm going to say, because I was going to say 4 through 6 range. If I'm looking at this IGN list, right. Of like that. That being Mario 3D World, Captain Toad, Treasure Tracker, and Mario 64. I'm going to say DK Bonanza on this list knocks down Captain Toad. Treasure Tracker becomes a new number five. That's my. That's my prediction.

[Barrett Courtney]

I can only hope.

[Tim Gettys]

That might be aiming high, but I'm. I'm sticking by it.

[Barrett Courtney]

It also just threw it. Like, I still.

[Tim Gettys]

But I don't know how to process.

[Barrett Courtney]

That just because Treasure Tracker is not a plow.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, I hope Bonanza, Mario Odyssey. Let me explain that sentence a little bit.

[Barrett Courtney]

Jesus.

[Tim Gettys]

All right. I'm tired of the disrespect, man.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'M also just thinking about the local locomotion of Odyssey. Bless. We've talked about it before of like how much it feels inspired by those rare games of like Donkey Kong in terms of like Mario's movement. And I'm just trying to. I'm just thinking like how it's coming back home.

[Tim Gettys]

It's coming back home. I'm back home.

[Barrett Courtney]

I'm excited.

[Tim Gettys]

Ladies, gentlemen and bees, let us know in the comments below. What is your favorite Nintendo 3D platformer? Do you think DK Benins is gonna have the stuff to change the hierarchy of this list? Let us know. Of course, this has been another episode of the Kind of Funny Gamescast where each and every weekday we get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games live on YouTube, Twitch and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with a Kind of Funny membership on Patreon or YouTube to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

Shane in the chat says, where would Astrobot rank on this list? We're not going to answer that today, but that is an interesting question.

[Tim Gettys]

I like that question. I like that question. Let's talk about that on Friday.

[Blessing Adio Jr.]

We talk about that Friday. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

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