Super Mario Switch 2 Hopes and Dreams - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: Super Mario Switch 2 Hopes and Dreams – Detailed Summary

Podcast Information:

• Title: Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast
• Hosts: Tim Gettys, Greg “GameOverGreggy” Miller, Blessing Adeoye, Andy Cortez
• Episode: Super Mario Switch 2 Hopes and Dreams
• Release Date: February 7, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of the Kinda Funny Gamescast, hosted by Tim Gettys, Greg “GameOverGreggy” Miller, Blessing Adeoye, and Andy Cortez, the team delves deep into their aspirations for the upcoming Super Mario game on the Nintendo Switch 2. Released on February 7, 2025, titled "Super Mario Switch 2 Hopes and Dreams", the episode promises a rich discussion on the evolution of 3D Mario titles and what fans can expect next.

Metal Gear Solid Delta Release Date Leak

Before diving into the main topic, the hosts briefly touch upon the recent news surrounding Metal Gear Solid Delta. Andy Cortez remarks on the unexpected release date:

• Andy Cortez: "The release date has leaked way later than I expected." [02:45]

Tim Gettys concurs, expressing his surprise at the August release:

• Tim Gettys: "August just seems so far away." [02:54]

Despite the delay, the hosts remain optimistic about the game's completion and quality.

Main Topic: Super Mario Switch 2 Hopes and Dreams

The central focus of the episode revolves around the anticipated Super Mario title for the Nintendo Switch 2. The discussion is rich with nostalgia, expectations, and creative aspirations for the next iteration of Mario's adventures.

Overview of Past 3D Mario Games

The hosts enumerate the legacy of 3D Mario titles, highlighting significant entries:

• Tim Gettys: "We've seen Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Mario 3D Land, Mario 3D World, Bowser's Fury, and Mario Odyssey." [08:29]

They acknowledge the strengths and shortcomings of each game, setting the stage for their hopes for the future installment.

Desired Features and Mechanics

A significant portion of the discussion centers on what the hosts wish to see in the next Mario game. Tim Gettys outlines his vision for an open-world experience:

• Tim Gettys: "I want something that is designed to be open, like Odyssey or Mario 64. It doesn't need to be Odyssey 2 or Mario 64 2, but a spiritual successor with a similar vibe." [15:16]

Blessing Adeoye Jr. adds his admiration for the exploration and challenge aspects:

• Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "I like the structure of exploring different worlds and the challenge rooms that test your skills." [13:59]

Andy Cortez emphasizes the desire for a more expansive and cohesive hub world:

• Andy Cortez: "This next 3D Mario needs to be a big open world, bigger than Odyssey, incorporating elements like multiple hub zones with secrets and collectibles." [18:47]

Comparisons Between Mario Odyssey and Mario Galaxy

The hosts compare Mario Odyssey and Mario Galaxy, analyzing their impact and what each brought to the table:

• Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "Odyssey felt like a tribute to Mario's history, showcasing what made the franchise special." [16:08]
• Tim Gettys: "Galaxy has a singular vibe with its orchestral soundtrack and gravity mechanics that brought magic to the series." [22:19]

They discuss how the next game could blend the open-world exploration of Odyssey with the cohesive, themed worlds of Galaxy.

Ideas for Open-World, Hub Worlds, and Multiple Playable Characters

Exploring further, the hosts brainstorm innovative features:

• Andy Cortez: "Imagine if Mario could jump into multiple hub worlds like Peach's Castle, Donkey Kong's island, and others, each with its own secrets and levels." [20:40]
• Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "A remixed version of Mario 64 with enhanced visuals and new missions would be incredible, blending nostalgia with fresh content." [16:08]

They also entertain the possibility of multiplayer functionalities and multiple playable characters, drawing inspiration from games like It Takes Two:

• Andy Cortez: "A two-player Mario game with cooperative mechanics would add a new dimension to the series." [65:36]
• Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "Introducing characters like Donkey Kong with unique abilities could enrich the gameplay experience." [73:35]

Remaster Ideas: Mario 64 and Render64

The discussion transitions to the feasibility and desirability of remastering classic titles:

• Tim Gettys: "Mario 64 will never be better than it currently is because of its original design. The best approach is to enhance it visually without altering the gameplay." [36:12]
• Andy Cortez: "Render64 is an exciting project that reimagines Mario 64 with updated visuals, staying true to the original's essence." [36:45]

They express enthusiasm for fan-driven projects like Render64, though acknowledging Nintendo's unique touch is irreplaceable.

Hardware Discussion: Switch 2 Expectations

Beyond game design, the hosts explore expectations for the Nintendo Switch 2's hardware capabilities, particularly concerning visual enhancements:

• Tim Gettys: "I just want Mario to look sharp with better resolution and possibly HDR support." [52:15]
• Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "The Switch 2 should ideally support 4K and HDR to make the games visually stunning." [53:01]

However, skepticism remains about Nintendo's commitment to incorporating these features, given their track record:

• Andy Cortez: "It's hard to believe Nintendo will fully implement HDR, considering their past decisions." [54:28]
• Tim Gettys: "If the Switch 2 lacks HDR, it would be a significant oversight." [55:10]

The hosts maintain hope that Nintendo will leverage the Switch 2's hardware to deliver visually impressive titles, enhancing the gaming experience.

Upcoming Streams and Community Engagement

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts announce upcoming streams and community events:

• Greg's Announcement: "At 1 PM, we'll live record the great MCU Re-Rank, reviewing and ranking every Marvel movie we've covered since 2017." [05:14]
• Mike's Challenge: "We'll also stream Mike attempting to beat Kingdom Hearts 2. Will he succeed? Tune in to find out!" [04:45]

They encourage listeners to participate and support through platforms like Patreon, acknowledging their dedicated community members.

Conclusion

Wrapping up, the Kinda Funny Gamescast hosts reaffirm their excitement for the future of 3D Mario titles on the Nintendo Switch 2. They blend nostalgic appreciation with innovative ideas, envisioning a game that honors Mario's legacy while pushing the boundaries of platforming adventures. Listeners are left anticipating the next Nintendo Direct and the potential reveal of the much-awaited Super Mario Switch 2.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Cortez: "The release date has leaked way later than I expected." [02:45]
• Tim Gettys: "I want something that is designed to be open, like Odyssey or Mario 64." [15:16]
• Blessing Adeoye Jr.: "I like the structure of exploring different worlds and the challenge rooms that test your skills." [13:59]
• Andy Cortez: "This next 3D Mario needs to be a big open world, bigger than Odyssey." [18:47]
• Tim Gettys: "Mario 64 will never be better than it currently is because of its original design." [36:12]
• Tim Gettys: "I just want Mario to look sharp with better resolution and possibly HDR support." [52:15]
• Andy Cortez: "It's hard to believe Nintendo will fully implement HDR, considering their past decisions." [54:28]

These quotes encapsulate the hosts' sentiments and highlight the episode's key discussions regarding the future of Super Mario on the Switch 2.

Transcript

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[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

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[Andy Cortez]

I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.

[Tim Gettys]

That's Mario. Mario.

[Andy Cortez]

He said that Mewtwo said that in Pokemon, the first movie. Because today is February 6th, the day that Mewtwo was born.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Whoa.

[Tim Gettys]

Happy Birthday.

[Andy Cortez]

Happy birthday, Mewtwo. Hope everything's going well for you. What's up everybody? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Thursday, February 6, 2025. Of course, I am your host, Tim Yetis. I'm joined today by Blessing. Adio. Yeah, Junior.

[Tim Gettys]

Good day.

[Andy Cortez]

Tim and Andy Cortez, hello. Today we're going to do something very special, very exciting for me and bless and Andy and all of you listening right now, including Kevin behind the camera. He's adjusting, he has his hands on the lens. He's making things happen. We are talking all about Super Mario and what we're expecting from his next 3D romp on the Nintendo Switch to which is now confirmed, we now know is actually happening. I guess we don't know that a 3D Mario is happening, but we do know that the Switch 2 is happening. And we are day by day getting closer and closer to the Nintendo Direct that I imagine will give us our first glimpse at this video game. So we're going to talk about what we hope to see. This isn't necessarily predictions. This is hopes and dreams for what we want the next 3D Mario to be. But remember everybody, this is the kind of Funny Games cast. Each and every weekday we get together to talk about the latest in video games, whether it's reviews, previews, predictions, theories, lists, rankings, all of the above. We cover it here on the Games Cast in a fun discussion after Kind of Funny Games Daily, our daily news show, breaking down all the latest in video game news. Bless you. And Roger already did an episode. What you talk about today?

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, we talked about so much, especially Metal Gear Solid Delta and how the.

[Andy Cortez]

Release date has leaked way later than I expected.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's the what I was talking with Roger about. Roger was happy with it, but I was like, yeah, I thought it was going to come out before maybe.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

August just seems. It seems so far away.

[Andy Cortez]

It does. And not that I'm concerned about it, but it's just like the game seems so finished. Like every time we see a trailer of it, I'm like, even better. Yeah, right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like that. I think. I think that's best case scenario. You think, like, man, this game should be out by now. Oh, they're doing the Nintendo. They're just going to polish the out of it.

[Tim Gettys]

Fantastic.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Polish that snake, you know, I feel.

[Tim Gettys]

Like you polish that snake. I love my snake polish.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Polish.

[Andy Cortez]

Though it being a. If it was a new game, I'd be like, all right. Yeah, but it's a remake, like, but.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There'S still details and you look at.

[Andy Cortez]

It, you're like, you nailed it.

[Tim Gettys]

Nah, man. Because like snakes, he's going to have like things like, you know, hanging from his belt and stuff. You got to get the detail right on how it swings.

[Andy Cortez]

I guess you're right. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And also, I mean, look, if this were a remaster with replaced models, I'd probably feel that way. Now. Granted, a lot of the cutscenes we've seen have kind of one to one done. Done the one to one thing. But you know, this is a third person action game.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There's not going to be, you know, any of the fixed angle stuff. You know, it's all just, you're in there, you're in the jungle. Welcome to it. I got fun and games.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm just not that I'm worried about Metal Gear in any way, shape or form, but I just feel like they could have owned that may period. You know what I mean?

[Tim Gettys]

You don't think they're going to own August?

[Andy Cortez]

August just feels like it might be just like, we don't know. There's so many like question marks. They're putting their flag in there. Maybe. Maybe that's right.

[Tim Gettys]

What bigger game than metal gear solid 3 could come out in August? Mario 3D.

[Andy Cortez]

Mario thing too is I do think that this now does align now that the states out there, like we've been talking about this game, probably coming to Switch too. And I think that now it's more likely than ever that it will be day and day across all three of the consoles, which I think is pretty exciting. But, hey, that's this conversation for another time. After Gamescast, we're going to do a fun stream. It's going to be Mike beating Kingdom Hearts 2. This is the finale. Will he do it? Do you believe in it, Andy? Do you believe Mike's going to cross the finish line today?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think so, yeah. I think Chad's going to hold him accountable.

[Andy Cortez]

Power, friendship, everybody.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They're going to pressure him. They're going to, you know, humiliate him.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

To the point where he will finally beat it. I think it's going to happen. It's been a long journey, man.

[Andy Cortez]

It has, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You know, he started this a long time ago. There's been a lot of avoiding it.

[Andy Cortez]

So everybody stay tuned today. Will he complete it? We'll have to see. If you're kind of funny member, if.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Blessing just happens to walk by and be like, oh, it'd be cool to kind of stream that. Mike would immediately be like, get in there. Stream it right now. Like, you know, at the job of a hat.

[Andy Cortez]

Absolutely. If you're a kind of funny member, you can get today's Greg Way and very exciting stuff. At 1pm, you're going to be able to watch us live record the great MCU Re Rank. We are going to rank every single Marvel movie that we've done so far and in review, whether it was the X Men, the Spider man, or all of the Marvel Studios produced into one list combining me, Andy, Nick and Greg's painstakingly curated lists. Andy did a stream a couple days ago as he curated his list, and I had so much fun watching him because he was going through so much of the same turmoil I was because. Bless you. Think you got it locked. You think, you know, you do, but when you start having to compare the apples, oranges and wrenches, you know what I mean? You're like, how am I supposed to compare these things?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The problems. The problems you run into are. I think some of the things I run into when reviewing anything where you go like, okay, the final third of Endgame, or, you know, if I'm comparing another movie where I'm like, that movie's a 10 out of 10 all the way throughout Endgame. The first two thirds, like an eight and a half or nine out of 10, but the final third is like a 50 out of 10. You know what I mean? So it's like, how do you weigh that against what really made you feel in that moment? Somebody was like, andy didn't. I mean, did End game make you Cry. I was like, yeah, I was open mouth crying. I couldn't control what I was doing. But then at the end of Infinity War, I felt like we witnessed a terrorism attack, like, in the theater.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, the silence of walking out of Infinity War is unlike anything else.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I've walked out of there shocked. Like, I saw, you know, really, really bad shit we all did. And we walked out like we were leaving a few.

[Tim Gettys]

I remember, like, finishing Infinity War. It was opening night, right? And, like, as we're walking out the theater, I have, like, kind of this giddy excitement because I couldn't believe that they did it in that way. And I was like, guys, this is fucking awesome. And there was another guy who, like, sounded like he wanted to fight me. Like a guy. A guy who I didn't know, like a part of another.

[Andy Cortez]

Show some fucking respect, girls died today.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, like, he, like, gave me an eye, and I kind of turned to his friend and was like, this is this guy over here.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There was a little boy from New York who died.

[Tim Gettys]

I was like, it wasn't real. They're telling a story. It's really cool right now.

[Andy Cortez]

But, yeah, it's so funny because, like, I. I had such a challenge ranking at the top of the list, in the middle of the list, and at the bottom of the list, because it's like, I feel vaguely. It's very easy to be like, which of the three categories do you put these movies in? But then ranking them, that's where the difficulty comes in. But anyway, anyways, we're going to be live revealing it to the group and to y'all, starting at number 62, all the way to number one. Trying to see what the new list going forward is definitively for kind of funnies every Marvel movie in review. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Delaney Twining, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Karen Lindner. Today we are brought to you by Aura Frames, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin with what is and forever will be the topic of the show. It's Mario 3D, Mario, everybody. We've seen it a handful of times. Not that many, if you really think about it. We had Mario 64. We had Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy 1, Galaxy 2, Mario 3D Land, Mario 3D World, Bowser's Fury, Mario Odyssey, and that's it.

[Tim Gettys]

You're a lot more lenient than I am.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

A lot of.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, you know, listen, I know, I know we got love, and I got love for Mario 3 Lane and 3D World, and positive Fury but like, I don't know, man. They're just not. They're not Galaxy or Odyssey.

[Andy Cortez]

They're not.

[Tim Gettys]

They're not really like, like, they're like 2.75 D. I mean, you're wrong.

[Andy Cortez]

It's like cool to be wrong about this. Like factually.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You mean the importance of them. Because that's the way I feel about New Super Mario Bros. And like, I'm.

[Tim Gettys]

Thinking of more so like the branches of what I think, like if Nintendo's like, we're announcing a new 3D Mario and they announced a 3D World 2, I'd be like that. Then you announced a new 3D World is what you did. When you say a 3D Mario. I expect a Galaxy, I expect an Odyssey. Like for me, the 3D. Like the 3D games are like a new. It's new branch.

[Andy Cortez]

It is. It is funny you say that though, because I do think that the argument you're making, you could also apply that galaxy and 3D world have more similarities than Galaxy and Odyssey do. Just saying. From a pure gameplay perspective. But I understand the points you're making. I don't agree with you at all.

[Tim Gettys]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Andy Cortez]

But because if we're talking about quality and we're talking about like just what they're bringing to the table, like, we're talking about some of the best 3D platformers, period. Sure. It's not. I mean, they're all style of 64, style of like Odyssey, the bigger collectathon stuff. But I do agree. The one thing I do agree with from what you said is if they announced a new 3D world when we're all expecting the Odyssey type sequel, yes, they. People would be let down because of expectations and all that stuff there. But played through Bowser's Fury, it does very much feel kind of like them pushing forward a what a sequel to Odyssey even could look like mechanically.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Plus it's similar to Fighting Lady Maria and Bloodborne. Just like there's a different vibe here. There's a different. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

So what do you. What are you doing? What are you. What are you experimenting with here at.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The end in The Dark Souls 1 DLC. Bless you. Happen across an NPC and they look like they're not at this time. They're speaking a different way. They're dressed like they're almost in a Victorian era. And you're like, you're not from here. And they even say they're not from here. And that's what it is. That's what it Was like playing Balls of Fury. It's like, what are you hinting at? Right?

[Tim Gettys]

I like to that to explain what's going on in Mario, the most popular franchise in the world. You pull the Bloodborne DLC as a comparison point just in case y'all don't know about what. What they did in 3D world.

[Andy Cortez]

It's kind of like a boss baby energy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's a layman term, you know, it's.

[Tim Gettys]

Kind of like what they did in the Bloodborne dlc, the Lady Maria boss fight, which hinted for the mechanics of Sekiro, in case you're unaware.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

So, okay. I was putting that out there. I mean, I know that I did list, like, a lot of games that it's still not that many, though. Like, when we think about. I feel like people would assume there's been more 3D Marios than there actually have been over the last couple decades. Like, we're talking about a long time in video games and, like, still potentially, I'd say, like, average, like, one per console, right?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

When we're looking at the different systems. So we don't get that many of these things. But we are due for a new one. And I want to know what y'all want from that, starting with I. Blade out, all those games. Would you prefer a sequel to one of those games, Whether literally with a number or just kind of in style or. Or would you rather see something that feels kind of like you can't quite put it in the exact same category? It's not Odyssey 2. It's not Galaxy 3. It is something that offers something new enough to be its own thing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Are you talking new enough Blood device, Mario Sunshine or Galaxy? Okay.

[Andy Cortez]

Or Galaxy having the more, like, gravity stuff it does. Like, you get what I'm saying? Like, it's. It doesn't necessarily fit in a. The lineage of, like, if they announced the Galaxy 3, we know exactly what that is. If they announced An Odyssey 2, we know exactly what that is.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, you know, I. It's been well documented, Tim. I don't like Super Mario Sunshine. I had a real bad time with it. Really feels like, you know, they fucking just let their families, you know, take your kid to work day. And they told all the kids, make a game. And, like, the parents all went to go drink some margaritas in the break room. Just. It's a bad video game. Objectively, everybody knows this, but I like the structure of it. I like exploring, going down different worlds. Kind of what you're used to in a Mario 3D game. Especially going into the little challenge rooms. I like that those things are separated. The challenge rooms being a much sort of harder version of what you're kind of experiencing. And challenge rooms, they take away your flood device. So you're kind of like, it's your back against the wall. How am I gonna succeed against this challenge? I like the way that's structured. I just didn't really like playing much of any of the rest of the video game. But my wish would be, I mean, it's honestly kind of hard to say, you know, what else can they do? Because we saw a lot of stuff being thrown at the wall in Odyssey and a lot of it stuck. The landing, the transfer to 2D, those little gimmick levels, that stuff that's like, there's not a whole lot of gameplay in this moment, but this is presentation. Right. The Odyssey kind of felt like they're like they're, you know, we're gonna tribute all of the rest of our video games. We're gonna really showcase what our history is. That's what kind of Odyssey felt like. And I just don't really know what else they can do aside from changing the formula, obviously.

[Tim Gettys]

Almost like the smash ultimate of three Mario.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right?

[Tim Gettys]

Like, we're throwing everything into the pot. I think it's.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They had a realistic looking dinosaur.

[Tim Gettys]

They did.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It was really weird.

[Tim Gettys]

It was really weird. And they. They had a realistic.

[Andy Cortez]

And then you could throw a hat at it and then control it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I. Oh, man. I find this question fascinating because I. I think I have such particular tastes when it comes to, like, what I want out of a 3D platformer and what I want out of a Mario. And so, like, I'll say something and I'll contradict it. So I'm going to say what I want out of a 3D Mario. What my personal taste. I. I want something that is designed to be open, like an Odyssey or a Mario 64. I want a. I don't. And it doesn't need to be A Odyssey 2. Doesn't need to be a Mario 64 2. I would like both of those things. If they decided to make sequels, either of those things, I'd be down for it. But just in terms of a spiritual successor, I want that type of vibe or Bowser's Fury. I think Bowser's Fury is another good example of I want something that is open, pick a direction, go there and find all the collectibles kind of thing. That said, a Super Mario Galaxy 3 sequel or Super Mario Galaxy 3 game. Right? The sequel to Galaxy 2. I'd also be very happy with like if you're gonna make that kind of game, something that is a bit more like linear, I guess, maybe more focused. Yeah, more focused. Maybe like more you're doing a singular goal at a time sort of thing. I want it to be a Galaxy sequel and nothing else.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And come back to a hub world and give your homies whatever things that you found in the other world.

[Tim Gettys]

And like in, in. I mean that both literally or like, I guess if you find a good, if you, if, if you find a gimmick that is as inspired as Galaxy, go for it. I just don't know if you can like Galaxy just feels like such a wow. Like you. This has a vibe, this has an energy, this has a design like design focus that is super cool. And I love what they do in gravity. With gravity. I love what they do with the planets. I love like everything about Galaxy think works. And so if you made a Galaxy 3, I think that would be hype for the audience. That'd be hype for me. I'd love it. Right? That said, I'd also, I don't know, at the same time, I also just want something that is more Odyssey style gameplay. I don't know how you evolve on Odyssey that I think would get into an interesting conversation that we can have of like, yeah, where do you go from here? Because it does feel like they did. It feels like they threw everything into it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I've got a weird one. You know, thinking back to how much I enjoyed Tears of the Kingdom and experiencing a lot of different. A lot of what Breath of the Wild had to offer with new flavors and kind of like, hey, we're just adding new variables to this weird ass concoction and you're just gonna have fun with it because we've kind of made this playground for you to be super interesting. I think it would be really neat if they did a similar thing with Mario 64 where we're playing Mario 64 in the new engine with the new visuals. We are back in that world. But there are some things that are altered and they have added on way more to it. But it's largely a lot of the same structure jumping into paintings for whatever, you know, mission it is, come back out, hand out the mission or whatever. I just, I would love a remixed version of that because I think that that formula is so damn perfect and having, you know, but you know, take it further. I'm not just saying like, just give me a better looking Super Mario 64. I would love to see some wild shit happen at the castle that like, oh my God, there was some shit underneath here. We had no. You know, and that opened up and there's sky islands as well. You know, maybe not sky islands, but I love the idea of just remixing a classic like that and giving the old head something to go back to and be like holy. They're. They're giving me something I love as well. But they're also adding on so much more to it and you're going to get some flack where people were like tears of the kingdom is just a reskin. It's like, no, it wasn't. You didn't play that fucking game. You know, I would love to see something like that.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. I mean I feel like obviously any Mario 64 anything sequel remix otherwise it's like, yeah, that's going to be dream top of my list for what any of these things are. That besides a brand new thing that we can't even fathom what it is because obviously that would be the answer. Nintendo so good at that. I do think that for me, this next 3D Mario, despite being such a hardcore fan of pretty much every style of these Mario games they were talking about where I have a very hard time honestly answering what I would prefer over a Galaxy 3 or a Mario 3D World sequel or even or an Odyssey 2. Like all of them I'd say are pretty equal for me of like that they all sound amazing and I want them. But I think that with the switch to next 3D, Mario needs to be. I'm with blast that it needs to be big open 3D, bigger than Odyssey even. And I would love for that to include elements of what you're saying Andy of. Because the difference between Mario 64 and Odyssey, they both are just. You go into different levels and collect a bunch of things.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's skin in a different place. Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

Odyssey is. There's endless collectibles in each level and the levels are a lot bigger and have a lot more. The bonus challenge rooms of Sunshine are just kind of in the levels and you'll go through a sewer and all of a sudden you're in this like platform challenge level to get to these other moons that are harder to get than just the random ones you find. Like if you climb this building, it's on the roof and just chilling there for you. Right. But when you look at Mario 64, it's six stars per level. Like the levels don't have much going on. You can only get one star and you get booted back to the Hub world. But the Hub world is so amazing, and it has so much character and personality, and Nintendo's failed to capture that sense. I think Delfino island in Sunshine is probably the closest it has gotten there. But the common observatory in Galaxy was boring. Boring.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Whatever.

[Andy Cortez]

It's just whatever. Like, I don't say it's bad, but it's nothing special at all. To the point that in Galaxy 2, they just straight up scrapped it. They're like, we know you don't care about this shit. You're just going to go level to level. I would love to figure out a way to. I think this is how the Bowser's Fury influence and the Odyssey can kind of combine, is figure out a way to have everything be open, but have kind of multiple hubs with levels within it. So how sick would it be if you can kind of. You start at Peach's Castle, and It's an expansive 3D world. We can go beyond the Green Hills, right? Maybe the Green Hill Zone. No, no, no, no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The walls fall down. It was a play the whole time.

[Tim Gettys]

What's over the green hills, though? It's like, you know, there's a road there from Mario Kart 64.

[Andy Cortez]

Exactly, exactly. Do you see what I'm saying, though?

[Tim Gettys]

I see what you're saying.

[Andy Cortez]

It's like, have the castle kind of exist as is, because we already do have the lower level and higher level. And, like, there's places with the paintings, like, and there can be more paintings. There can be new paintings, some of the same, but with expanded levels within them. But in addition to that, find a.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Room with just a shitload of paintings, and you're just like, what the. We didn't even know this was here. Make the Shadow of the Erd Tree.

[Tim Gettys]

Version for the sequel, and people go.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, that's just DLC. But it's like, well, it's also, you know, 40 years later or whatever, 30 years later since that game happened. Man, I think that would be the biggest win and the thing that would get me the most excited because I liked Odyssey fine. I think it's a very, very good video game. But I don't know if I'd be so stoked for an Odyssey, too. But let me ask you, why?

[Andy Cortez]

What are the, what are your. The things that, that you don't think Mario Odyssey, like, absolutely nailed.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I, I. It's hard to explain, because when I played Galaxy One, I felt that magic, even though it could be frustrating at times, where I'm like, I'm hitting up, but I'm running backwards or whatever. But with Odyssey, it's still a game that I would say, yeah, that's one of the best 3D platformers of all time. But something about it still, like, lacked this magic for me. Maybe just where I was with Nintendo at the time, or maybe it was just me really, really rooting for Breath of the Wild that Year of Goatee. And I'm like, odyssey is a really good platformer, but Breath of the Wild is like, truly transformative. I think it's just. I think it's a very awesome attempt at a 3D platformer. And I love the, you know, everybody talks about Astrobots sort of gimmick stuff. I mean, Cappy was that right. Cappy is throwing it at something and becoming that thing. And now you have a different sort of mechanic. I think it's a super smart video game. What? For whatever reason at the time, I just think it's like a very good Nintendo video game and not a whole lot more than that.

[Tim Gettys]

I wonder if it's like the cohesion, because I'm somebody who I. I'm Odyssey over galaxy. But I think there is kind of a magic to Galaxy in terms of, like, the vibe of it and like the. I don't know, there's like something that feels singular about Galaxy compared to Odyssey. And I think maybe the cohesion of Galaxy being like this. You hear the soundtrack and it is. It's the orchestral. It is. I don't know. There is something that is even across the whole game where it is, man, I am playing Galaxy right now. It is that plus, like, you know, mechanically or the design of the world being okay, you're on planets, you're doing all this gravity. So you have the game pulling itself together there. And then you do have. Even though the comet observatory is boring, you still have it. Like, there is still a hub world that you come back to that I think helps ground everything. Whereas Mario Odyssey, it does feel like you're jumping into a. Like, because this is what the game is, right? But you're jumping into a lot of varied. The food kingdom is different from. Or the luncheon kingdom is different from the water kingdom, which is different from the snow kingdom, which is different from the dinosaur one.

[Andy Cortez]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, extremely different types of areas. And like, I don't think you have a central thing to ground it all in, which is the point of the game.

[Andy Cortez]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

You're traveling, you're getting these different locales. Like, that is what the game is going for. But I do Think, like, to Tim's point, I think a, like a hub world could pull all that stuff together and like, give grounding to, I guess, the story and the world and the vibe that you want out of it. That would make the ultimate Mario game if they could have nailed that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I, even though I think it's.

[Tim Gettys]

Still the ultimate Mario, I also just.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Don'T even have a whole lot of reasons for why the game is my, one of my, you know, not as highly regarded for me as, you know, sunshine or not sunshine. Sorry. Galaxy was right. Like, I, I think it's just sometimes a game resonates with you in that moment and sometimes it doesn't. And I don't even think I beat Odyssey. Like, I got pretty close. I got towards that level where you're like in the kind of like the Great Wall of China, I guess.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, the Bowser, Japan.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I got kind of in that area and just kind of fell off. But there was nothing really pulling me back towards, honestly. Same thing happened with Super Mario Wonder. You know, I just, I never went back to that video game and maybe I'm just at a point where the 3D platformer or of that style or the, you know, even the 2D platformer isn't really doing it for me because it has all the magic. You know, Wonder was for, you know, all intents and purposes, really awesome. It has so many great things, so many imaginative mechanics and things like that, and it just wasn't really pulling me back towards it. But I think that the nostalgia baiting of bringing me back to Super Mario 64, or even if this next Mario game is this multiversal jumping Donkey Kong now and you're jumping into, you know, you're gonna fight an alien with Samus, or maybe not. Maybe you're just in their world and that's their version of the Lunch Kingdom and the whatever Kingdom. I, I would need something a bit more to sort of say like, oh, this is the definitive Mario and it's back for me.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, I, I definitely don't want it to get too multiversal. Like, I, I, I think that the combining of the Mushroom Kingdom and Donkey Kong stuff, that makes sense. And they already do it. Like, I mean, from the dawn of Donkey Kong and them have been together. But even when you look at the movie and its influences, like, I mean, legitimately, there's the scene of them in Peach's castle and they bring up the, like the war battle, right? And it has all of the different things and like Donkey Kong's island or what. The one of the Congo Jungle is one of the areas. I love that. Like, imagine if we had Peach's Castle as one of the hubs, but then there was also some hub in that area that had an equal amount of secrets and stuff. Like, I think that multiple land. Come on. But a giant hub world with multiple hub zones with.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, my gosh, that to me, like the dream. If you can make it so that the Mushroom Kingdom actually feels like you are exploring the, like, the whole Mushroom Kingdom. Now we're talking about an open world game, right? But I wonder if there's a way to condense that to where. All right, you got the Mushroom Kingdom, which is an explorable area, but within it, you have Peach's castle. Maybe you have the DK Isle or something, right? Or, like, Donkey Kong country that you can go to. And then you have Delfino Square. And, like, then you start to get into the multiverse thing. But if you contextualize it in, like, a good way and bring those elements together, then you might be talking about, yeah, the ultimate Mario game of man. We're. We're doing the nostalgia stuff and in the same way that we honored the original DK, right, and honored, like, Mario Brothers one with the 2D stuff, right? We are going through the history and really, like, going in with, hey, here's the. Here's the DK hub with multiple levels that are inspired by Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong's a character in this world, right? And then you come back to the Peach's castle and you might have maybe some revamped remixed levels from Mario 64. All right, cool. We're going to Delfino Square where you have, like, you know, that style of stuff. We're not going to give you flood because Flood. But yeah, like, I think there's. There's something there to it that could be magic. They're not going to do any of the.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Though Flood's the villain.

[Andy Cortez]

Flood.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Flood. Flooded all of the Mushroom.

[Andy Cortez]

I think they might, like, legitimately, like, when you. When you look at the pattern of, like, what they've been doing, like, yeah, I don't. I don't think that it's a guarantee by any means. It's Nintendo and it's Mario. They literally could do anything. But, like, I think that there's. It's not like, oh, this is out of the question. Like, when you look at how they treat and revere their previous products, it's very interesting because, like, Mario Galaxy 2, I think it was. Had Throwback Galaxy, which was the Thwomps Fortress but remade. And that was amazing. Like that. That to me meant everything when I was a kid of like, oh my God, this nostalgia I have. And now it's better than ever in this gameplay that's so damn good. Whatever. Then when you get to the end of Odyssey and you get to Peach's castle and it's like, this is everything I've ever wanted. And then you get in the castle and you can't jump in the paintings, I'm like, well, it's not everything I ever wanted, you know. And then like you see Isle Delino in the back on the map when you're like going to the different kingdoms and it's like it. I remember beating Odyssey. I. Odyssey's a 10 out of 10 to me, I think. But I remember beating it and having the same feeling I had after beating Galaxy of just like, I want more of this. And I feel like they very clearly could have done X, Y and Z and they didn't. And then we got Mario Galaxy 2 and they did those things. And I feel like we didn't get the Odyssey too. But I don't think in a post Bowser's Fury world, we need it to be Odyssey too. I think it definitely can just address all of the issues I had and just kind of solve it by just putting out a much bigger version of Odyssey. And Odyssey was already huge. But just taking the logic of Bowser's Fury of it's all in one loadless zone that you're just going through, like, that would be, I think, the coolest thing.

[Tim Gettys]

That was like my dream. I remember playing Galaxy and I forget the levels. Galaxy who? Actually there is a level where there's a water level. You swim, go through the obstacles, whatever, and then you come out at the end of it and there's like the music is gone and there's like this serene, like, surrounded by greenery and like the sun is shining and then like your stars sitting right there for you to collect. And I remember getting there and being like, man, it'd be sick if there was a Mario game that was just open world. I would have moments like this. Right? Almost like the. Yeah. Breath of the wild of man. What is that over there? You go to it, you find it and like you look over a vista and be like, man, I can go wherever I want. Like I am. You know, I can. I'm Mario. I can fly wherever I can do whatever the fuck. That to me would be the dream Mario game. Because Mario I think has the esthetic and charm to where you can. You can say you took all of the zones from Mario Odyssey and just fucking smush them together. That's essentially what we're talking about.

[Andy Cortez]

Exactly. But smush them together with what I think is a incredibly important aspect of 3D Mario, which is inspired hub world. And in here, I think multiple hub worlds so that it's not this ever sprawling hub world that all of a sudden becomes an open world to itself. Like I'm just talking about multiple of Peach's castle sized spaces with levels and stuff that you can jump in and out of. But it feels like it's this big seamless thing and it's like not much different than what Odyssey already does. It's just instead of getting in a plane and choosing the menu to fly your ship somewhere else, it's just you're actually in a hub world that's fun, that has its own secrets and stars and stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

Man, I. There was a. I think it was a gif or an image I think I sent you years ago of Mario. Somebody had designed Mario 64's levels as a 3D sphere. As a. Yeah, as like a 3D. But like they had like basically made it make sense of putting all those levels together and making them work kind of seamlessly as one big world. And like that for me would be fucking sick if you could somehow pull that off. One of the things I want to talk about, and this kind of goes all the way back to Andy. Like Andy having the conversation of how Galaxy hit for you versus how Odyssey hit for you. Do you think part of it might have had to do with difficulty and like the Mario Odyssey having so many moons that it almost felt like you didn't really have to try that hard to find them. Because I know there was like a lot of people that would talk about that. And when I think about the change from Galaxy to Odyssey in terms of that, I could see it being a thing of, well, galaxy at least you have to try a little bit harder to get some of these stars. Whereas Mario Odyssey you walk two steps, so all of a sudden you get a moon.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I definitely, I think I enjoyed Galaxy One. Maybe I'm giving it a lot more points because I'm going, wow, I missed this back in the day. Didn't play it back in the day and now I'm experiencing it now and I have such like, I. I'm so impressed by what they were able to pull off back then. So maybe I'm giving it extra bonus points. There. But I don't think you're wrong in that. I really enjoyed a lot of the difficulty that Galaxy One presented. And not, not to say that Odyssey didn't, you know, that it was just like a walk in the park or whatever. But I, I, I do think you were right though, on the right point of like the cohesion of the space theme as opposed to kind of just flying your plane and going to these like random kingdoms that don't have a whole lot to do with each other. I, I don't know, just something about the, about the place and time that I was at that maybe Odyssey. I bet you if I booted it up now, I'd be like, I was absolutely wrong. And I know I would be. I, because I know that there's no part of me that says Mario Odyssey is not a good game at all. Like, I know it's a fucking goat. I just don't. It didn't hit for me at that time, for whatever reason. Didn't need a battle pass.

[Andy Cortez]

Some people were saying, some people are.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Saying, and the open world nature of having the breath of the wild moment and looking at something and saying, I want to go there. I, I don't know if I want that out of Mario because I'd like, there's something about being an adventurer with a sword and a shield on your back and feeling like you are in this fantasy adventure and saying, I can go anywhere I want with Mario. I don't know if I see that as a, you know, I'm an Italian plumber. I can go anywhere that I want. Right now, for me, it's more of, I just love the creativity of, of, of level design and stuff that the 3D, the Mario Galaxy presented to you. Even stuff in all the more recent Mario games. I'm like, I, I guess I would just like more of that. I don't know if I want gigantic, sprawling, you can touch that mountain. You can go get that special Korok or whatever. I don't know if I necessarily need that. I think Mario 64 is kind of just, it's what I want to see that redone. I want to see that with this new, fresh coat of paint.

[Andy Cortez]

Well, do I have the thing for you, Eddie? But we'll talk about that right after a quick word from our sponsors about to leak something. This episode is brought to you by Aura Frames. I'm gonna be real. Aura Frames might be the most popular sponsor product people here have ever had at. Kinda funny, many of us have Aura Frames set up at their des and even more of us have gifted them to friends and family to absolute rave results. Aura Frames was named the number one digital picture frame by Wirecutter. And it's for a good reason. It's so easy to set up and they have different frame options. We gifted our frames to GS mom and dad this holiday and they're both obsessed with us being able to upload our wedding photos straight to their frames. All you need is the free Aura app and a WI FI connection and you can upload as many photos and videos as you want. And your favorite live iPhone photos will play right on the frame. Right now you can save on the perfect gift that keeps on giving by visiting aura frames.com For a limited time, listeners can get $20 off of the bestselling Carver matte frame with code. Kinda funny. That's a U R A frames.com promo code. Kinda funny. Don't forget to mention that we sent you to show your support for this show. Terms and conditions apply. I don't. Don't put that out yet, Kev. I'm gonna send you one other thing first. I'm gonna send the second one. So what I just said, pull that up right now. So here's the thing, Andy. Obviously me and Bless talk all the time. Mario 64. We do like one of our favorite games, if not my favorite game of all time, right? So we're right there with you wanting to just. Just remake goddamn R64. At the very least, make it widescreen. Like, what are we doing with this 3D All Stars port that you did? Whatever, right? But the thing is, Mario 64 will never be better than it currently is because of. It's the way that the levels are designed, how outdated the camera system is or whatever, how limited the stars can be and all that stuff. So the best thing to do for Mario 64 is to just enhance Mario 64. Don't change it, don't add anything, all right? Literally just make it look better because the gameplay is what it is, right? Render 64 is this project. The PC ports of Mario 64. It's the dream. All right, so we have the original concept art and kind of promotional marketing materials for Mario 64 that have this very definitive look, right? Like this is the early CG3D stuff they got going on.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Everything was shiny.

[Andy Cortez]

Everything is shiny and Keep going, Cap, because there's one in particular I wanted to bring up. This image here was like one of the. The most shared images of Mario 64 back in the day. You know, everyone's like, oh, look how, look how reflective he is.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, this is metal.

[Tim Gettys]

But now the tracing.

[Andy Cortez]

The source code for the game has been ported to PC and people are able to do all the PC fun stuff. They've just made the game what it was originally supposed to look like. So Cav, you can pull up the other video now. Like this. This is playable and this is everything.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Oh, the sound effects are great.

[Andy Cortez]

It's because it's just the game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's just the game.

[Andy Cortez]

It' the game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Anyway, they redid a lot of the assets as well.

[Tim Gettys]

What did they do to my boy?

[Andy Cortez]

Well, it's literally everything. Every single thing has been changed to like, look like the original concept art and they're rebuilding it. This level specifically was like just them from the. The concept art. But Kev, if you look up just on YouTube render64, like we can just see the entire game. Like you can play it right now.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think playing that video, Nintendo may be knocking on our door, just simply playing it.

[Andy Cortez]

But shit's insane. Insane. Like the level of when you add all the ray tracing and all that stuff to not that concept Y thing in particular, but like, just like looking through the game, it's just like, yeah, it's how Mario64 is supposed to look widescreen, all that stuff. Anyway, it's very cool that that exists.

[Tim Gettys]

My question. Oh, Wario. This must be the DS version. My question when it comes to Mario 64 and our desire. Damn, I didn't realize there's this much footage out of this.

[Andy Cortez]

I mean, the entire game's playable.

[Tim Gettys]

This looks really fascinating. I man, I still in commenting on this, right, Because I think this looks really cool. Oh, there's a tube.

[Andy Cortez]

There's. I mean there's a lot of different versions. I don't know exactly what this one is.

[Tim Gettys]

They're getting crazy with it.

[Andy Cortez]

So yeah, this is the 3ds version.

[Tim Gettys]

Or DS version, which I never played Mario 64ds. I don't know if I ever will. Looking at this, I think this looks cool as hell. I need the Nintendo like charm to it though. Like this does look like. Even though I really respect, I love what they're doing with this. Like, there is something I think missing as far as if Nintendo were to do this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like whenever, whenever a YouTuber does their. Let's add realistic lighting to everything Nintendo. It never looks appealing to me. Like I, I never love the way modern rendering techniques look inside of an old Nintendo game. But Nintendo just has a sauce for what their materials look like, what their visuals Are. Yeah. And that's why, man, like, that's why I'm so excited for the switch too. Because of how blown away I am. Just when I was back home for Christmas vacation booting up Mario Party Jamboree and being like, dude, these visuals are on this little shitty machine. This old ass Android tablet is still being able to. They're still able to pump out these visuals. Holy. What's the future gonna look like? And it's just that Nintendo has their art style. They know how they have their art direction. That looks immaculate.

[Andy Cortez]

Just real quick, real quick. I don't know what Kevin was showing. Isn't. Isn't it that. That was like some like custom thing. This is what I was gonna say.

[Tim Gettys]

I was like, this. Now this looks good.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like Typically told me just go, no. Oh, I know, I know. I'm not blaming you. I'm just like, just confirming here. It's like, yeah, that was like some fan thing of like taking the DS game or whatever. This is render 64.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, no, this looks fucking this.

[Andy Cortez]

You don't. You're not possibly going to get better at this than taking the magic in soul. Soul's the right word. The soul of Mario 64. But actually, yeah, this looks right.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, this is right, you know, so in the Mario 64 topic, right, the question I was going to ask before is how do you feel Nintendo, I guess, thinks about Mario 64 and do you think there is a desire for them to want to bring it back in a bigger way? I asked because obviously Mario Brothers one will always go back in honor Mario Mario Bros. Even like Mario 3, Mario Mario World, like when it comes to the 2D stuff, it feels like, it feels like there's a desire to harken back. Like do the Mario Maker stuff, right? Like, you know, do the 2D. Like that stuff feels so much easier to bring back in a meaningful way. One, because obviously there's a nostalgia for it. But then also, I think there's also just the thing of 2D stuff is a bit easier to mess around with and like, you know, hearken back to and bring back in modern ways. Whereas Mario 64, because of the era it came out in, I feel like it's. So you look at it, right? And maybe not this version, but you look at the original Mario 64 and it's tough on the eyes, especially for if you're a new generation. For me, I look at it, I'm like, oh, that's Mario 64. I played that all my life. If you're giving Mario 64 to a 10 year old with a switch to. They look at it and their eyes are probably like oh, like this is disgusting. And like, I think it's hard to teach. You can't really teach nostalgia to somebody to like a kid.

[Andy Cortez]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

I think it's even tough to teach history sometimes for how the ways in which Mario 64 were impactful. So I guess my question then ends up being as Nintendo, do you get anything out of bringing back Mario 64? Do you get anything about even making a Mario 64 remake? Like, is that just a lost cause for you because of what Mario 64 is inherently?

[Andy Cortez]

I, I think to the remake question. Yeah. Like unfortunately, as much as I want it, it's like that just. They haven't done it for a reason. And again, like I do think that what we're looking at here, like this is the best a remake is going to be for Mario 64. Unless you're just then just doing. If they were to just put the entirety of Mario 64 in a different Mario engine, that's a different story for me.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

And we've seen that with Throwback galaxy and Galaxy 2. So I clearly do think that they do have reference for 16.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, I haven't seen it because they didn't put that game in the collection, which is fair. What happened? Did they lose the computer that had it on?

[Tim Gettys]

It was on a USB.

[Andy Cortez]

Can you YouTube throwback galaxy.

[Tim Gettys]

Reggie Fees may actually accidentally sat on the.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

He took it with him when he left.

[Tim Gettys]

He's like, ah, but what, what was it?

[Andy Cortez]

Throwback Galaxy.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Andy Cortez]

And then the, the Peach's Castle in Nintendo World and Super Nintendo World. It's clearly based off of the Mario 64 one. But the exterior does have that more modern kind of Galaxy Onwards theme park. Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Andy Cortez]

Exactly. But like the, there's the, the sun on the, the floor, there's the paintings around. Like it's Mario 64. Like I feel like Mario 64 is canon to Nintendo in a way that Super Mario Brothers is canon to them.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

Is this it? Yes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Throwback Galaxy there.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You'll have to fast forward in the video a little bit.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There's. I mean they just. Their art direction is just the best.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. Like this is just.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It just stands the test of time.

[Andy Cortez]

This is the second level in Mario 64. Yeah. So I. Galaxy style.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I absolutely would not want a remake of 64. I would just love a. We are back in that world with a new mission.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

There's new shit going down Again, we. We opened a seller, a secret cellar door and there was 42 paintings that we didn't see. Go put up the paintings. Go hop into those worlds. What's happening? Hop into the old worlds as well with the new shine that Nintendo brings. Again, I'm not asking for, you know, I largely feel like a lot of other people feel whenever you see Legend of Zelda In Unreal Engine 5, there's just always something that feels and looks off about it that, you know. And that's weird for me to say that because I'm a sucker for anything looking different and things just upgrading and changing away. Those things never work for me. I want just Nintendo's modern art direction put over that world.

[Tim Gettys]

I think, to your point, I think, yeah, I think it's less about bringing back 64 in a big and new way and more so I see it as bringing back Peach's Castle because, like, to Tim's point about Nintendo World and the piece, like Peach's castle is so strongly part of the ethos of Mario. But like, we're there so rarely. Like, I forget, like, what are the games in which we've explored Peach's castle?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

She never invites us.

[Tim Gettys]

It's like after the whole Mario 64 incident, she's like, no more. But yeah, like Mario 64, we explored Peach's castle and that was, I think, the thing that made that the thing. And then after that, I'm sure there's been Paper Mario moments.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh yeah. I mean, paper Mario 1 specifically. Like, there's a lot of castle stuff and I remember playing that just being like, oh my God, I'm in the castle again. But admittedly, like, I feel like I've never felt like the Peach's castle experience lives up to what I want it to be like. Like for my Memories of Mario 64 of like how cool would be to modern it. I feel like the new art styles take away from the magic. Like, there's something about Mario 64 with the walls being paint, like seemingly hand painted with murals of the. The green hills and stuff. Right. And like the clouds in the sky. Like there's just so much there. Whereas, like you see Peach's castle in Odyssey and it just kind of feels like it's just a castle.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

That is in Mario Odyssey as opposed to this is Peach's castle. You know, I.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The only reason I disagree with that, like, I'm not saying you're wrong in feeling that. I think that if. I think they could nail it if they took another couple of hacks at it. Like if you're feeling that way, I, I don't think it's a lost cause that you would never ever feel. I'm saying so far, yeah, I, I'm the type that Nintendo has their art direction that it feels like, you know, you have to start learning as a child whenever you get sort of brought into work at Nintendo. Like they're teaching you that when you're age 8 or whatever and you're just learning your craft instead of becoming a welder, you're. You're going to be a Nintendo artist. And they have such a good way of that. They have perfected what looks like a Nintendo game except Mario, the most recent Mario Golf Rush game that, that game looked real bad. I don't know what engine they were using there, but they use the same font that you always hate on.

[Tim Gettys]

I know, I love that font. Capcom, Nintendo get new plot packs.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I love that font. But I, I do think that they could take another hack at it and it could work.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, I, I guarantee it. I mean I, that I know that they can. I just. So far I feel like I've been very let down by the interior of Peach's castle sends Mario 64. Like it's always just. You kind of walk in and it's. You see it. But it feels like a facsimile of what we expect it to actually be. I'm trying to find even footage of being in Peach's castle, but I think it's just so underwhelming that like people.

[Tim Gettys]

Go in and they're like, yeah, peace out of here.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So you got some Peach castle through that, through that main war pipe.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What if it was through another painting in somebody's house that you just found this, you hopped in, you're like, holy shit, now I'm here. Whoa, that'd be sick. It was a dream the whole time, you know, that sort of thing. Like I just want that so badly. I think that, I think there's. It can't fail if you were to do something like that. There's no way that the modern Nintendo presented and modern ethos that Nintendo has, their design ethos. There's no way that a video game like that could fail if you are doing Mario 64. But a lot more than that. Yeah, I'm not asking for a 1.5 remake or 64.5 remake. I'm asking for like a full ass video game with that same sort of thought process in mind.

[Tim Gettys]

So obviously this episode is titled Our Hopes and Dreams and I think we've been talking a lot about our hopes and dreams.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Good thumbnail, too.

[Tim Gettys]

Great thumbnail. One of the things I want to bring up is Nintendo's modern depiction of Mario and how we think that'll feed into what the next Mario is. Because we obviously talk about Bowser's Fury, but I think when we're talking about modern Mario, we have to bring up Mario Wonder. Right. And, like, is there anything there that can feed in? Could we get a 3D Mario Wonder seed situation? There's also the Mario movie. Is there any influences there that we can see in a 3D Mario in terms of how they depict Mario in that movie? Does Mario start yapping? Does he start. Is he voiced by Chris Pratt? God, I hope not. And then there's the Mario Kart trailer, which is. Or not trailer, but the Mario Kart footage from the Switch 2 trailer that we got where Donkey Kong's in there and he's looking all weird. He's looking like original Donkey Kong. And I don't like it.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, is that movie Donkey Kong?

[Tim Gettys]

Is that how he looked in the movie?

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. Yeah. The more.

[Tim Gettys]

Is that what Seth Rogen looked like?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I think more.

[Andy Cortez]

It's more stylized to fit the movie universe. But, yeah, definitely.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, but is that a sign, like, the fact that they're doing that with Mario Kart? Are they gonna do that with Mario Mario?

[Andy Cortez]

I. I think so. I don't think it's gonna be all the way. Like, I don't think it's like that.

[Tim Gettys]

His full name.

[Andy Cortez]

That intense of a change. But.

[Tim Gettys]

I was looking up Donkey Kong.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And I was like, whoa. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm sure the audio listeners love that.

[Andy Cortez]

But the. The thing about Wonder is I. I don't think that we're gonna get the Wonder Seeds or any of that type of, like, gameplay stuff, but I do think that the. I mean, Mario having a different voice actor. Oh, yeah, right. Like, this is gonna be the first time, like, even if it is an odyssey too, which I don't think it's gonna be, it's like, I don't think they're going to bring back Charles. So there will be a different vibe inherently with all that stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

And Mario was. He was looking cuter in Mario. He was a cutie patootie. He was looking cutie patootie ish in Mario Wonder. And he was looking. He was looking, you know, kind of cute in the Mario Kart Switch 2 thing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think the Switch 2 look for him in that sort of small little glimpse we saw in the Switch 2 presentation. I. To me that was like a meeting in the middle of Cutie Patootie Wonder and typical Mario were used to seeing Mario Wonder. To me, I. I think like when they sort of changed that art style, I was like just all for that look. I don't. I didn't see a whole lot of. Of changes in that Mario Kart thing. Except for Donkey Kong being the one.

[Tim Gettys]

Main thing had a major change for sure.

[Andy Cortez]

Mario was. He was a little more squat and everything was just a little more round.

[Tim Gettys]

But he was carried though.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like you don't really know.

[Tim Gettys]

Because I think that's what I'm expecting now for 3D. Like I think he's gonna. In the new 3D Mario and I think it's going to be shorter. Like there's something about the recent depictions of Mario and maybe, maybe I'm just thinking too much about Mario Brothers Wonder, which. But I'm like, I could see him being like more cutie Patootie in the next 3D.

[Andy Cortez]

I also think though that Wonder clearly was like, this is. This sounds way more dramatic than I mean it. But it was an act of desperation of Nintendo art style wise to be like, we need people to know that this isn't a New Super Mario Brothers game. Like they had to do something that was definitively different or else it's just they're really putting out another one of these, you know.

[Tim Gettys]

You meant like a New Super Mario.

[Andy Cortez]

Like literally the.

[Tim Gettys]

I heard it the same way you.

[Andy Cortez]

Did the franchise of New Super Mario.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Where it's like, wait, are you saying that's not a real Mario?

[Andy Cortez]

People just so fucking over it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I was so over it.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. Even though some of them are amazing, but people are just over it. And they still sell millions and millions and billions of over 10 million copies. But people were over it. And so they added this. I don't think people are over any 3D Mario style. Like I think like they can keep doing it with this minor tweaks and I don't think. I think it's dramatically different.

[Tim Gettys]

I feel like they tend to change it with every game aside from like Galaxy 1 to 2. But like with every 3D iteration so far, I felt like there's been some kind of. And of course generations. Right. So 64 to GameCube of course is gonna be changed.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think they're getting modernized, like modern. The same look is there for like at least in my opinion, just looking at like their. What their rendering techniques are.

[Tim Gettys]

Kevin bring up Odyssey, Mario Shadows and.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And looks of everything. But I think if you were to look at how Mario Odyssey looks compared to even the way a lot of the characters look in Super Mario Party Jamboree, which is like the latest time we've seen the typical Mario we're used to. Not tiny little cutie, patootie wonder Mario. I think that it's just they've sort of like honed in what the overall look and style is.

[Andy Cortez]

I mean, I think they did that back in 64. Like, I feel like the tweaks and differences we've seen between good image Mario, it's like, yeah, look at this. From 64 on, it's like that's what Mario is. And it's just more the tech and graphic style of the game that add the difference.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, what do you think the tech of the switch? Because what we're looking at 4K ray tracing.

[Andy Cortez]

But I mean, I think. I think they keep. They keep this, though. I don't think they change this much. I think.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't like this.

[Andy Cortez]

I do not like the 2020.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Is that the LEGO one? Is that the Lego.

[Tim Gettys]

Wait, so you're expecting 4K ray tracing on.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Hold up, man.

[Tim Gettys]

What are we expecting 4K?

[Andy Cortez]

Yes. For the menu. For the menu, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, you'll get.

[Tim Gettys]

If Mario's edges aren't sharp, because I'm tired of this. Like the jaggies on the side.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, yeah, you're getting the jaggies because you're getting native 720 on your screen. And then you'll get a 720 up res to 1080.

[Tim Gettys]

Or on the switch one.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, and the switch one.

[Tim Gettys]

But like, that's not going to happen on the switch two.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Right, the switch two. I got to assume it's with the up resin. You're going to get seven hundred and twenty up to. With the uprising stuff. Taking it to 4K.

[Tim Gettys]

I was gonna say everybody in chat right now is saying switch ain't doing.

[Andy Cortez]

4K, I think, which is not doing. I mean, it will do it, but it's not gonna. That should not be an expectation that, like, it's real. 4K. It won't be real.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, it won't be real.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, I don't know the difference. And there better be 4Ks on the screen. When I'm looking at Mario, when I'm playing this game, I mean, it may.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Take it up to 1440p and then use the rendering tech to go to.

[Tim Gettys]

I just want him to look sharp.

[Andy Cortez]

It will say it's 4K. It's gon looks sharp enough.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's going to look so much better than what you.

[Tim Gettys]

That's all I want. Switch one doesn't have hdr, right?

[Andy Cortez]

No, it does not.

[Tim Gettys]

Will Switch, you have hdr?

[Andy Cortez]

Yes, it will. Thank God we don't know that, but it will.

[Tim Gettys]

I want them colors.

[Andy Cortez]

It's going to have hdr.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Is it going to be an update four years into.

[Andy Cortez]

No, it's going to day one have hdr. I'm going to flip my. If it does not have HDR, I.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Don'T know if it will.

[Andy Cortez]

It's 100.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I have a no, man.

[Tim Gettys]

Is the Switch one gonna have. Is the Switch two gonna have a screen? Is it at least gonna have a screen? Can I look at the game when I'm playing it? What is it gonna happen?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Why have y'all been gonna be excited?

[Tim Gettys]

What is the Switch 2?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't think it'll have HDR, Tim. I have a weird feeling it won't.

[Andy Cortez]

See, that is like just such a weird Nintendo decision. If it didn't, like, HDR is a standard for this type of stuff.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

To me, I'm blown away that this is even happening. That they are even making an attempt at saying, let's go for a hardware that makes our shit look better. That, to me, is a weird Nintendo decision.

[Andy Cortez]

But it's not that much better, though. Like, we're at a point now is everything has advanced so much that, like, just even one step forwards already. This. It reminds me of the Wii going to the Wii U of just like, all they need to do is just get to 1080 and like, that's going to be huge. Or even just get to 7, get.

[Tim Gettys]

To HD, get to HD, get to hd.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, we're at that point point again.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

To me, the fact that they. And I think a lot of it just has to do with the success of the software and the hardware and realizing, man, we could just keep on selling these games. Like, the idea that there's people at Nintendo that are saying right now, like, man, this new thing is going to make everything look better. That's crazy to me. Like, just because of their past track record. So that's the reason why I don't think it'll have hdr.

[Tim Gettys]

Who does Nintendo go to to, like, develop, like, the hardware, like, chips and stuff?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's an Nvidia.

[Tim Gettys]

You don't. There's got to be somebody at Nvidia that's like, oh, we're making this for you. We standardize it now with. There's no way we can't make this without hdr. Like, you don't think there's somebody that's upselling them at Nvidia that's like, hey, man, it's only going to cost like a dollar more.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, there's no way. HDR is not part of this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You think it's just like a pack in?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, like a pack in. Like, hey, this includes hdr. Just put HDR in it. Nintendo, I just.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, I would not be shocked at all if.

[Andy Cortez]

I would be shocked if it had.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The capabilities, but it wasn't even enabled, you know, like, that's where I'm at with where I think that we know.

[Andy Cortez]

It'Ll have the capabilities.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Anybody Nintendo owns an OLED tv, You.

[Tim Gettys]

Know what I mean?

[Andy Cortez]

Like, that's where I'm at. Switch out with O. Like, we act like Mario Odyssey is not one of the prettiest games ever.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, it is.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, it's like. It's like they. They make the. They know how to use the tech and they know what they're doing with the tech. And we've seen them before catch up with tech and it's like, all right, cool. We hit a point where that's all you need for these games to look incredible.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They turn Bluetooth on three years into the damn device.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I just don't see Nintendo that's different. I just don't see Nintendo in a room with the Switch 1 hardware. The Hammer being like, oh, man, we can't put hdr. They have to. They must have had the conversation with their. With themselves, with Nvidia. And there's no way. The answer is no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, can.

[Tim Gettys]

There's no way the answer is no.

[Andy Cortez]

If I'm wrong, HDR debuted with the Xbox One S and PlayStation 4 Pro.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

But then was added to PS4. Correct.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. Hdr. Yeah, I think HDR was a specifically a pro feature.

[Andy Cortez]

Let me know. Everybody.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They're gonna.

[Andy Cortez]

Let me know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

They're gonna sell you HDR on a fucking flash drive.

[Andy Cortez]

You know, like, the chat is split.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, the chat is very split. The chat has no regular PS4.

[Andy Cortez]

Had HDR.

[Tim Gettys]

Wait, really?

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, dude, this HDR thing is not. It's not the type of tech that's.

[Tim Gettys]

Like, you know, them coming in and miyamoto with the Switch 2 model and being like, the fuck are these colors? Take this shit out. No.

[Andy Cortez]

What is that?

[Tim Gettys]

Hdr? No, man, no. We don't do that. We're Nintendo. We don't do that.

[Andy Cortez]

We got some superstars.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Digital Foundry.

[Tim Gettys]

This is an Xbox. No, it's out of here. Turn it down to 720 while you're at it. Why is this so. Why is this so sharp?

[Andy Cortez]

Uncrispy says, thank you guys for helping me get through the workday. Coming up on a year of being a kfbf. Love, y'all. Thank you so much for a year of hanging out with us.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Only a year.

[Andy Cortez]

That's great. Always my favorite. Getting new fans, always new people coming in to show us love. Fantastic.

[Tim Gettys]

I've been playing for 30 minutes. Where's the online connection error? Why am I still connected? Why am I still playing Mario Kart?

[Andy Cortez]

God, I am. I'm so surprised, Andy, that you have the stats I like. I just.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I just wouldn't be surprised by any of it.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, I understand that from the pessimistic point of view of Nintendo makes weird decisions at that point, anything.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But also then not caring about and also at this. I'm already like, kind of seeing the devil's advocate side of the argument of like, HDR isn't cutting edge. And you're not about to say Nintendo doesn't care about cutting edge tech. HDR is not cutting edge tech. I just wouldn't be surprised if that was like an oversight. You know, maybe they'll add HDR when you get the switch to oled.

[Tim Gettys]

I swear to God, if I see a. If I see a box for the switch to OLED and the HDR is a listed feature, I'm fighting somebody. No, that better come in the base system. I don't want to see listed as a feature. I just want to assume that it's there.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, it should be there.

[Tim Gettys]

It should be an assumption. And also Backwards Madman it is.

[Andy Cortez]

Which they said, just letting you know it is an assumption that it'll be there.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I like legitimately, I'm not making any. This is not me exaggerating. I think this is going to be like the biggest leap in tech I've ever experienced in my life. This is going to be going from a goddamn GeForce 1080 to a 5090.

[Andy Cortez]

It's really not though, man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It is to me because of how dogshit so many of their games look, man. And it's not. I'm not doing the Pokemon Scarlet Violet looks bad. That's like. That's just not enough game dev time. That's not a limit of the hardware. We've seen what the hardware can do and when it can do shit. It still doesn't look Good. But you know that like, if I were to just to turn a knob or I've seen what their games look like and you know, allegedly in really good emulators running at 60 frames, like it is magic. And to me, this is going to be like the largest leap that I've experienced in a tech generation since like PS2 to PS3 type shit.

[Andy Cortez]

But I mean, think about from Wii to Wii U, think about Smash Brothers Brawl to Smash Brothers Wii U. Like the difference there was they just got a little bit more modern. They just went up to hd and ultimately Wii U looks so much better than Brawl. So much better. Just because it's just like closer to modern.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

But also I'm getting 30 frames per second against my will. I'm being force fed 30 frames per second. Oh, God.

[Tim Gettys]

Greg standing off to the side.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

He's got the stars in the bank.

[Andy Cortez]

I hate it. I hate it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So stars encapsulates three. He's just standing there.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know if he's real. He's smiling at us.

[Andy Cortez]

I hate the stars in the bag.

[Tim Gettys]

So standing.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, he has not blinked, everybody. He's just. Yeah, he's just there, There he is. Yeah, you can see him.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. So anyway, I was forced to drag you doing it.

[Tim Gettys]

You doing it. He's just smiling. He's standing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't like this. It's so unnerving.

[Tim Gettys]

I love that we got to this conversation just because I asked. Is Mario gonna look good? All I want is for Mario to look good. He looks good. Not that he doesn't. He looks great. I just want like the little edges just like iron out. I mean iron to iron out the edges.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Look, you know, you get the jaggies on, on Goddang Zelda. What's that game called? Echoes of Wisdom, right? And then you drop in, you'll get 60 frames per second every now and then and It'll drop to 22 every now and then. And like, to me, having a consistent 60 in a game that looks better than 720p is going to be a feast for the eyes. For me personally, this is such a big deal for me to not have to worry about, you know, because when I wanted to play Metroid Remastered, I bought that, booted it up, and I was like, what if I could find an alternate way? And then I ended up giving up on it. But like to be able to see what their can do in a crisp fashion, it's. It's the most excited I've been about a hardware upgrade in a long Fucking time.

[Andy Cortez]

Me too.

[Tim Gettys]

Like no, you don't. Ray tracing period. Like 1080. No, no, no.

[Andy Cortez]

I mean ray tracing it all be through AI enhanced things.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, and do we think there's gonna. Because that was. We've talked about this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

No, like ray tracing is a hardware thing. You get like the, the, the AI upscaling would be taking your game at 640p or 720p and boosting that up to make it look sharper.

[Tim Gettys]

But do we expect AI up sampling for the Switch 2? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, I'll take that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh absolutely, I'll take that. Absolutely you will. But also this piece of hardware, this chipset is equivalent to the PS4 Pro. And we see what that could do. But also it's gonna be better than that as well because it's still a newer piece of hardware that has been worked on for a bit longer. So it's not like you're getting power equivalent of the PS4 Pro. And then you look at Uncharted 4 like that's what it's capable of.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It can still pump out really good looking. And that's all I can like, you know, for everybody getting angry that like why would they not go for newer chipset? Well, because they don't want to sell the Damn thing for $900. Like you would have to charge a lot more. But you're getting a still completely viable chipset. And it's still Nintendo we're talking about. We, we grade these things on a curve. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet look like complete dog. And I hated visualizing it. I hate looking at it, looking at that mountain with the same tiny texture. And that was still like my number eight game of the year that year because I had so much fun with it, you know, Man. Pokemon Za. Oh God, I can't wait.

[Tim Gettys]

It's gonna be a good time.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, dude.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Three weeks the most.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh gosh, you're three weeks away from seeing it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What?

[Andy Cortez]

Pokemon Day, February 27th.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What time?

[Andy Cortez]

Two in the morning, probably six. Probably six AM.

[Tim Gettys]

Did we talk about the fact that they're revealing the switch two at 6am we waking up? We doing that?

[Andy Cortez]

Of course we're doing that. Plus we've done it for so much worse. Like are we doing that?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

We woke up one time for a goddamn like weird Pokemon pinball game or whatever the fuck. You know, sleep, you know, slow upsetting guys. Do you remember though in the Pandemic the amount of lead up and wish and wants for all of these Nintendo directs? What do you want? What are you predicting? Every one of them we would say a new Pokemon Snap. And we woke up for every goddamn Pokemon presents at 4 goddamn 3 in the morning. And the one time they did what?

[Andy Cortez]

I don't think you remember the insult to injury here. We did wake up at 6am to do the Pokemon direct. And then they announced there was another one the next day. And we were like, fuck you.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's.

[Andy Cortez]

And that's where they announced.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's where they did the Snap.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And it's like. And that's the saddest part is that, you know, that's the one that we missed out on. Even though it was the one that we kept on, you know, we were just saying new Snap. New Snap. New Snap.

[Andy Cortez]

We got unite for the one we watched.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Good game, man. I played that game for about the mobile, right? Eight hours. Yeah, 10 hours.

[Tim Gettys]

That would have been the game that got me into mobile. So I played it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Dominating his green ninja out there. Greninja. Yeah, he's a sexy guy.

[Andy Cortez]

So cool dude. JB Bonifacio says I lost my. When Mario Odyssey gave us playable Bowser, maybe playable Princess Peach in the next Mario. I mean we didn't even talk about like the prediction I made a couple weeks ago. But I do think there's going to be multiplayer and multiple playable characters in this game as well. So yeah, I think that you'll play.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

A speech, but it won't be the same sort of design ethos of Super Mario 3D world. Right?

[Andy Cortez]

No, yeah, I'm thinking. And again this goes. This is kind of combining predictions and hopes. So like kind of different things here. I do think it's just going to be a big ass open world that you can be together and have some type of hit a button and you all jump to the same section or you're just collecting moons or stars or whatever the hell things do you're doing.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If they dog. I mean this hasn't do the open world. But if they, if they played It Takes Two and we're like what if we just did a two player Mario? Oh like with that sort of. Oh now cooperative mechanical stuff split.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, now we're cooking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

God dang.

[Tim Gettys]

It takes two style like 3D Mario game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh my God. With the music, with the every. You know what I mean? Like because you know, if It Takes Two just had that skin and didn't have Cody. If it didn't have that, it was Mario. Can you imagine?

[Tim Gettys]

It Takes Two Mario Brothers. It Takes Two Brothers all over. I'll workshop it takes.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It Takes Two bro. Oh, yeah. It takes two bros. Takes two Italians.

[Andy Cortez]

CJ splits on says Mario versus Donkey Kong swing and slide mechanics. I mean, I do think that is. That is interesting, the idea of Donkey Kong having a completely different move set that allows him to go places and do things that the other characters can't. We lightly saw that in Mario 64Ds, with the different characters having different stars to be able to get. And, you know, a lot of the Sonic games function that way too. That seems a little too ambitious for what they're going for here, for how tight Nintendo likes its things.

[Tim Gettys]

But yeah, I've just given up all Hope for another 3D Donkey Kong thing just because, like, it didn't go well for them last time, it seems like. I mean, I loved it, but for. For which Donkey Kong 64.

[Andy Cortez]

I don't.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't think you should give up. I think like, we're seeing like, Donkey Kong's getting his own theme park. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's. That's the. The resurgence is happening. We're in the middle of it, I hope, man.

[Tim Gettys]

If there's a camera. If a camera goes behind the back of Donkey Kong, you guys will see me in a state you never seen me before.

[Andy Cortez]

Hold on. Are you just.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Are you picturing Kratos there, like. Like sitting down at the fire?

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And then you hit start game and.

[Tim Gettys]

Then the camera swings behind Donkey Kong's back. Are you kidding me?

[Andy Cortez]

I'm gonna, like, I'm just yelling at Diddy.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm gonna hop up and down, like, out of my chair, like, let's fucking go. We're back. Donkey Kong in 3D space. We did it.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, my God.

[Tim Gettys]

Where's Lanky?

[Andy Cortez]

That's so damn funny.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That'd be incredible.

[Andy Cortez]

The Uncharted Wolf says, just give me a trailer as good as the E3 2017 Odyssey trailer. I mean, can you imagine, right, getting that jump up Superstar played? And we're like, there's a vocal track. He pops out of the freaking sewer of New Dog City. There's Dinosaur. It's like, dude, Big showed off Odyssey in a way that was mind blowing and magical. And yeah, it's a tough, tough sell to be able to do that again. I think they got it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What if it's the new version of Mario saving the other Marios?

[Andy Cortez]

So like a Mario Generations, like Sonic Generations.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, is that what Sonic Generations is?

[Tim Gettys]

So many of the ideas we list, we're like. In my mind, I'm like, Sonic did that already, man. Sonic catch Up Mario. That would be really cool, though. A Mario Generations game. Man. Now we're cooking. Now we're cooking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And then. And then you go to, you know, you know, Mario 2 and it's the different color schemes there. And then you go to, you know.

[Tim Gettys]

You meet Berto again and it's like.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Man, man, you were here.

[Tim Gettys]

You are freaky.

[Andy Cortez]

I wonder if Berto's gonna be in 3D. I want 3D. Birdo.

[Tim Gettys]

See, I don't like. There's something about, like, the Mario world where I kind of like the separation of church and state. It's like, Berto, you stay in the.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, shy guys don't belong in 3D.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, no, shy guys were 3D in Mario 64.

[Andy Cortez]

Fly around a bit.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but like, Birdo, you specifically, I want you to stay. Stay.

[Andy Cortez]

2D seem cool, man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The current world is not ready for you.

[Tim Gettys]

You're invited to, like. Like tennis. What is tennis? What is tennis? You can be in 3D.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If there's an athletic competition, you're invited.

[Tim Gettys]

But, like, if we're just doing 3D platforming. Berto, no, you're not allowed.

[Andy Cortez]

Dean8149 says I could see them making a more 64 style successor with the launch of the movies Amusement park. New voice actors, new designs from rdk. I can see them wanting to highlight the mushroom kingdom. Yeah. Nate Og says, what kind of bomber jacket is Tim wearing? And why are they not a sponsor yet? It is top something.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, Top Man. Yeah, Top Man.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, probably. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

They sell a lot of the Top man brands.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. I literally bought this.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, my God. Is it food? I don't smell anything. And he's having a stroke.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, no.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It smells so good.

[Andy Cortez]

I don't smell anything.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Maybe it's the microphone.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. I just bought this in literally every color. Love Top Man. Nice quality.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I can confirm.

[Tim Gettys]

It smells good out here. Andy has the best nose.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What is it? I don't know.

[Tim Gettys]

I didn't mean.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I didn't do that much research. Got the nose jeans of my mom and my mom. Like, dude, they don't even. My parents don't even keep a trash can in the house. They just. They hang like a bag on a door and you'll just put like two. It doesn't fit. And you go throw that out. Because my mom's always like, no, the trash can sing. It's like, it's okay. It's. Nobody smells like that, you know? But now I do. And they could just happen. It activated the gene. Activated.

[Andy Cortez]

You know, we got Udili who says some Mario 64 sequel, the Castle being remodeled, you have to rescue toads for them to finish the remodel. Furthering the progression. I like that. It's kind of like Mario Maker. The. The. The career mode in that. Yeah, that could be cool.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like if the. If the. The Mandarins terrorists like bombed the. You know what I mean? Like an iron Man. I was doing a lot of recap stuff recently. No, when. When Iron Man's like, here's my address. Come fight me. You know, and they fuck it up and then the plan is like rebuilding it all. That would be really neat.

[Tim Gettys]

That is the most Nintendo thing I think that's been said. Like the idea of. Yeah, no, the toads are just rebuilding the castle like that. When you think into Mario Odyssey and what the story was, right. Bowser wanted to marry Peach. Like the bizarre, like fucking simple ass storylines is where they go.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I was so blown away in Super Mario Sunshine. Those cutscenes really shocked my world of this little holographic colorful version of Mario that we're like, who is this person imitating me? And it was Bowser junior.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Being like, you're supposed to be my mom, Princess Peach. And they would just cut to Mario's like, you know, because it was really early, so they didn't do. They didn't have a whole lot of. Of like. Of like sort of facial detail. So it cuts tomorrow. He's like in shock, man. I got all that on YouTube. I gotta go find those clips. Those are hilarious.

[Andy Cortez]

They're so right. Mama. Luigi. Alex J. Sandball says, Tim, you think Nintendo's gonna account for all the Switch games that were designed without hdr? I don't think so, homie. I mean, I'm not saying that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Well, that won't turn out. Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. Definitely not saying that. Yeah, I mean, just like currently, like if you play not every PlayStation game, like old games are in HDR when you play it, but the system is still hdr. Yeah, yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It's like I never stream games on PC and HDR because that ruins like the obs sort of thing. So I just. When I'm playing off stream, I might, you know, activate it in hdr.

[Tim Gettys]

I love that they don't even have themes or over here talking about hdr.

[Andy Cortez]

It's different conversations and they do have themes. There's just two of them.

[Tim Gettys]

Black and white.

[Andy Cortez]

Coba says, I love jaggies. Don't crucify me. I play on PC 4090 always disable anti aliasing. It feels nostalgic I don't know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Here's the thing. I don't mind. I don't mind Jack. Like have you played a. You played a short hike. Oh yeah. Going for that look. It's going for that old nostalgic every. You know this is how early 3D looked. But the current jaggies they would love. They would prefer them not to be there is the thing and it just can't.

[Tim Gettys]

You know Mario Golf is shouldn't look like that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

Low skill plays says what's the future of Smash after Ultimate Tim? That's an excellent question for a different time. But I don't know if you guys talked about this on Games Daily but yesterday Sakurai, the director of Smash we did talk about this quote tweeted the Nintendo direct like confirmation of date and time and in Japanese said wow.

[Tim Gettys]

What's your read on it?

[Andy Cortez]

I mean I think something Sakurai is going to be there. Whether it's Kid Icarus port which would be awesome or announcing a new Smash or something like that or just a new Sakurai game. Like this man is prolific.

[Tim Gettys]

I saw the tweet and I just read it as like oh, he's excited. I didn't. I did not put together of like he might have something there. I thought.

[Andy Cortez]

I think it means something but it also couldn't. But like he doesn't just randomly like promote things.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It doesn't mean anything because if it did he would have put the eye emojis. Yeah, that's the. That. That's what you're cool for that shit, man.

[Andy Cortez]

He has his saying wow, who does that?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You know what? I'm very anti imoji. Yeah, I'm just.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm tired of it implies too much, you know, I mean just like do you think you are? Why would we be interested in you?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, why am I excited about this thing, you know?

[Tim Gettys]

Well, I like the eyes.

[Andy Cortez]

Let us know in the comments below what you want from the next 3D Mario. We are probably going to see what it looks like not too far from now. What's up, Kev?

[Tim Gettys]

I was going to add imojis in the background. I just don't have enough time now to do it. Just blinking.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I hate the ass.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh man. Remember Everybody, in just 25 minutes we will be re ranking the MCU in review list adding all of the other Marvel movies that we have reviewed over time since we started this back in 2017. Kind of crazy to think about. This will be our new definitive list going forward. I am very excited to see where everything falls and I'm sure it's going to be a great time for you as well. But until next time, goodbye.