The Best Roguelike Games Ranked - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: The Best Roguelike Games Ranked

October 10, 2025

Hosts: Blessing Adeoye Jr., Tim Gettys, Genevieve Miller
Topic: Debating and reacting to IGN’s new ranked list of the top 16 roguelike games of all time.

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Episode Overview

This week’s Kinda Funny Gamescast dives into one of gaming’s most vibrant genres: roguelikes. Blessing, Tim, and Genevieve gather to discuss, predict, and react to IGN’s freshly published “Top 16 Roguelike Games of All Time” list (curated by Mitchell Saltzman and Simon Cardy). The cast analyzes what makes a roguelike, argues the merits of several classics and upstart favorites, and assesses IGN’s choices—sometimes with shock and sometimes with enthusiastic agreement—all while exploring the genre’s boundaries.

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What Makes a Roguelike?

[06:56–09:32]

• Tim Gettys admits to never remembering the difference between roguelikes and roguelites (07:56).
• Blessing clarifies:
  • Roguelikes: “A true roguelike is almost one-for-one with what Rogue is as a video game. There’s no progression. You always start fresh, no matter how many runs you do.” (07:15)
  • Roguelites: “Usually, you have persistent progression between runs.”
• The hosts agree: The distinction barely matters to most players these days.
  • Noted by Tim: “At this point, it doesn’t matter.” (07:15)
• Key traits: Permadeath, procedural generation, game systems over specific genres.
• Blessing: “It’s weird, it’s a genre, but it’s also a system. You can be a card game roguelike, or a third-person shooter roguelike, or even something like God of War Valhalla.” (09:36)

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Predicting and Assembling the Top 16

[03:00–12:46]

• Blessing introduces "The Shit List": reviewing and critiquing third-party ranked lists for fun (03:00).
• They speculate on likely games:
  • Hades 1 & 2 (04:49, 05:16)
  • Spelunky & Spelunky 2
  • Dead Cells, Slay the Spire, Inscryption, Balatro
  • Returnal: “It would be high up on my personal list, but I don’t know…” (05:45)
  • Rogue Legacy 1 & 2, Binding of Isaac, FTL, Risk of Rain 2
• They discuss the possibility—sometimes with uncertainty—of whether both games in a franchise should be on the same list (e.g., Hades 1 & 2, Spelunky 1 & 2).

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What Defines the Greats?

[16:00–19:16]

• Tim reflects on why some post-launch “roguelike modes” (e.g., The Last of Us: No Return, Donkey Kong DLC) often fall flat: “They just don’t feel like they’re worth our time. Even if they technically are.” (16:00)
• Blessing: “You can’t just put a roguelite in something and expect it to blow up… It’s about nailing the gameplay loop.”
• Tim: “What makes it an amazing roguelike is the story beats, the surprises, the moment you enter a room and something new happens.” (17:34)

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Special Shoutouts and Personal Favorites

[19:16–20:27], [23:04–24:55]

• God of War: Valhalla
  • Both Tim and Genevieve passionately defend the God of War: Ragnarok Valhalla DLC. They praise how it integrates roguelike systems directly into story and character:
    • Genevieve: “It’s not just a mode bolted on—it’s Kratos unpacking his trauma in a way that fits the gameplay.” (10:20)
    • Tim: “It had those story moments, choices that mattered, and great surprises—it belongs on this list.” (19:04)
• Cult of the Lamb, Absolver, Minute: Discussed for their unique spins on the genre, though not all make the top 16.
• Superfan moments for games like Darkest Dungeon (“It was like video game Ronald Reagan releasing crack on the streets—people were hooked.” – Blessing, 25:15)

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The Live Reveal: IGN’s Official Top 16 Roguelikes

[31:20–43:44]

(Timestamps indicate where a major segment or reaction begins)

Blessing reads and the cast reacts, often with surprise:

16–11

• 16: Cult of the Lamb (31:20)
• 15: Enter the Gungeon (31:31)
• 14: Into the Breach – “Such an easy slam dunk for this list.” (32:14)
• 13: Rogue Legacy 2 – “Lower than expected, but a stacked list.” (33:13)
• 12: Monster Train – “People really love this game... I need to do my due diligence.” (33:39)
• 11: Returnal – “On my personal list, I’m putting this in Top 5.” (35:10, Genevieve’s favorite)

10–6

• 10: Vampire Survivors – “There’s something about this that just screams roguelike the second you play.” (36:42)
• 9: Blueprints (37:05)
• 8: Dead Cells – “Lower than I expected; the genre nerds sometimes dismiss the big hit.” (37:16)
• 7: Balatro (37:49)
• 6: FTL: Faster Than Light – “Too hardcore for me, but I get why it’s loved.” (38:13)

5–1 (with predictions)

• 5: Slay the Spire
• 4: Spelunky 2 – “Whoa. That changes everything.” (40:46)
  • [Surprise, as many thought it’d be #1 given reviewer preferences.]
• 3: Hades (1)
• 2: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
• 1: Hades II
  • “Wow, they did it. Hades dominance.” (43:22)

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Most Surprising Omissions and Repeats

• Risk of Rain 2 is notably not in the top 16, despite rave reviews and community popularity.
  • “You didn’t put Risk of Rain 2 on this list. That’s ballsy.” – Blessing & Tim (43:34)
• Spelunky 1 also doesn’t make the cut, in favor of Spelunky 2.
• Double Hades in the top 3: “It’s a crazy choice, but I respect them standing by it.” – Tim (45:22)

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Genre Debate: Roguelike, Roguelite, or System?

[45:46–47:46]

• Ongoing debate about terms.
• Hosts agree with Janet Garcia’s take: “…no longer need to distinguish between like and lite. Just call them rogue games.” (47:01)
• Genevieve jokingly floats new genre names: “Run Remixers,” “Procedural Remix,” “Remix Runners.” (47:34)

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Notable Quotes

On Genre Fluidity

• Tim Gettys (09:20):
  “It’s kind of freaking cool when you think about it, that Hades and Balatro and Returnal can all be described the same way. It’s accurate.”
• Blessing (09:36):
  “It’s less of a genre...It’s a system. You can be a card game roguelike, or a third-person action roguelike – it’s a system, not just a genre.”

On God of War: Valhalla

• Genevieve (10:20):
  “It’s not just the Last of Us roguelike mode...it’s integrated into Kratos unpacking stuff from the ending of Ragnarok.”
• Tim (19:04):
  “I want to fight for God of War Valhalla. It belongs on this list because they put the loving care into everything we just said. Story, surprises, those choices.”

On Selected Games

• Blessing (25:15), re: Darkest Dungeon:
  “When Darkest Dungeon came out, it was as if video game Ronald Reagan had released crack on the streets.”
• Blessing (36:42), re: Vampire Survivors:
  “It’s like porn. You know it when you play it. You play Vampire Survivors, you go, that’s a roguelike.”
• Tim (45:04):
  “There are mainstream games you know, then maybe give these other ones a shot. I think this is just a well-crafted list.”

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The Hosts' Verdict on IGN’s List

[44:48–47:10]

• Tim Gettys:
  “This list is the shit... I love how varied the list is, how different the gameplay genres are. This puts people on to things they might not have known.”
• Blessing Adeoye Jr.:
  “I also will say, this is the shit. I like this list.”
• The hosts approve of IGN’s bold choices, especially both Hades titles in the top 3, and embrace the genre’s ever-expanding boundaries.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:56] – Roguelike vs. Roguelite explained
• [10:06] – God of War: Valhalla’s meaningful roguelike integration
• [16:00] – Why some roguelite add-ons fall flat
• [31:20] – Countdown: IGN’s live Top 16 reveal (starts)
• [40:46] – Spelunky 2’s shocking #4 placement
• [43:22] – Hades II crowned #1
• [44:50] – Final reactions and overall verdict on the list
• [46:34] – Speculation on “roguelike” naming

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Closing Thoughts

This episode offers a lively, passionate, and thorough exploration of the roguelike genre—its definitions, hallmarks, and best representatives. Whether you’re a hardcore aficionado or just roguelike-curious, the hosts provide context for every game mentioned, discuss the genre’s evolution, and invite listeners to discover new favorites. The consensus: roguelikes are both a genre and a system, and IGN’s list does justice to the best the roguelike world offers—even if a few omissions stung.

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The IGN Top 16 Roguelike Games (2025)

1. Hades II
2. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
3. Hades
4. Spelunky 2
5. Slay the Spire
6. FTL: Faster Than Light
7. Balatro
8. Dead Cells
9. Blueprints
10. Vampire Survivors
11. Returnal
12. Monster Train
13. Rogue Legacy 2
14. Into the Breach
15. Enter the Gungeon
16. Cult of the Lamb

Transcript

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[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yo, what's up? Welcome to Kind of Funny Games cast for Friday, October 10, 2025. I'm on your host Blessing Adioa Jr. Joining me is the La Croi poppy, Tim Ma Gettys.

[Tim Gettys]

There's nothing like a Friday and there's nothing like sitting down and being like, oh, we're doing a shit. Listen, I don't know what the topic's gonna be.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, you don't know?

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Gettys]

I never know.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

This is one that I'm really curious on your take on because I know I have strong thoughts here and I know you probably have some thoughts, but I'm curious on how strong they are.

[Tim Gettys]

Very exciting.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

But before we get there, I want to remind you that this is Kinda Funny Gamescast. Each and every week we get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games. Live on YouTube, Twitch and on podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with a kinda funny membership on Patreon, YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show for a chance to be a part of the show. Some of your thoughts and opinions as YouTube super chats as we go, some housekeeping for you. We're on 11 person business all about live talk shows. KFD was about new PlayStation 6 tech that was talked about by Mark Cerny. After this is King of Meat with Nick, Mike, Andy and Tim. But that's a lie because before that is game showdown.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Another kind of feudy and so straight.

[Tim Gettys]

Thank God for that.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

My favorite if you're a kind of funny Member to today's Greg Way is Tim's. But late yesterday.

[Tim Gettys]

That's right, yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Late yesterday, a very informative Greg Way went up from Greg and Jean Viev Miller. Greg yaks about how to support indie games. But then someone who actually knows what she's talking about shows up to talk about the question from her side of the industry. It's super informative.

[Genevieve Miller]

I wonder who that is.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Genevieve Miller. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney. The Psalm Twining Today we're brought to you by Factor, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with topic of the show.

[Genevieve Miller]

Tots.

[Tim Gettys]

Tots. Tots.

[Genevieve Miller]

Tots.

[Tim Gettys]

Tots. Tots. Tots.

[Genevieve Miller]

Tots.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's right. It's your favorite segment. The Shit list. That's where I go online. I find a top 10 list and I bring it back to Tim in bear according to the ones and twos and we judge it for your amusement. Today's topic for shit list, the top 16 roguelikes of all time.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

And this is a fresh, clean 16. It's a fresh list from IGN.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. We're cooking here.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

This was really convenient because we've had Shitless on the calendar for like a week or something like that. And I think it was either yesterday or the day before where this went up.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

And people. People started tweeting us. I saw Andy even put it in the gamescast Slack. We have of like, yo, we got it right here. We got this right here.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, this is good now because I. What I like about this is it being IGN means it' a list by committee and it. There's oversight to it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Well, the committee being Mitchell Saltzman and Simon Cardi specifically.

[Tim Gettys]

It seems like it is two people.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Their two names are on the. Are on the article.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Which might.

[Genevieve Miller]

So, like, how much oversight is there usually for these lists?

[Tim Gettys]

You know, I mean, there's somebody in charge of looking at it. Like somebody is like signing off on it. It's not just somebody, just one person's opinion. You know what I mean? Someone's a producer on the project.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if that means that they're both just producers on it and they wrote the article together. Maybe they wrote separate excerpts for the different games or whatever, or if this was like their list. Either way, it's gonna be a good list.

[Tim Gettys]

Absolutely. I mean, those are two opinions I respect very highly. 100%, especially in this genre.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, I have my immediate thought, knowing Mitchell Saltzman Number one might be Splunky two.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And that's not crazy.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Not crazy to say.

[Tim Gettys]

Man, this is good. Okay, so 16. Should we just jump into it?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, let's just start listing dead cells. That sells. Gonna be on there.

[Tim Gettys]

Hades 2. I mean, updated list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

There's a reason why they're putting this list out this week.

[Tim Gettys]

Now Barrett's bringing up both. That is an interesting thing, I think, for writing it down. 16 is a weird number. Was there 15 and Hades too?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, they needed to add one more there.

[Tim Gettys]

And there is a conversation there as well. I think of like, do we need both Hades 1 and 2? And I'm of the side. No, but I think.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think HADES one is such a monumental game. Two is also such, like, a monument. I feel like both of them deserve a spot because Hades1 isn't. If Hades1 is not on a list of the top 16 roguelites, what are we doing?

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, if. But if Hades 2 is there, it's like that's what we're doing. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I do think it is a rare case where very similar games, because of those reasonings, can. Can kind of get on the list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Eternal.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think Hades. It was just so important to Roguelites as a genre. Returnal, I think, is on there. I'm curious on where it's at on the list, but I think it's on there. It would be high up on my personal list, but, like, I don't know. What did IGN give Returnal an 8 and 9.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm gonna say 9.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

It might be an 8 review.

[Genevieve Miller]

They gave it an 8 out of 10. That was by Mitchell Saltzman.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, yeah. So that might be like middle to

[Genevieve Miller]

low on the list, if on the list at all.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I think it's on. I think it's there.

[Genevieve Miller]

It's gotta be.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Well, okay, let's start, because there's a lot of Rogue Legacy is gonna be.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes, it has to be on the list for sure.

[Genevieve Miller]

Do they put. Did Rogue Legacy 2 hit? Was that only Early Access so far? Is that like out out? That's out out, right?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's a really good question. That must be out out.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah,

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

yeah. Let's say Rogue Legacy 2. I didn't play as much of 2 as I did of 1, but I feel like 2 is the smart one.

[Genevieve Miller]

That was five years. There was no way that that was five years ago, right?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

No, maybe early access was five years ago.

[Genevieve Miller]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Slay the spire. Gotta get them card games in There.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Inscription.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, that. I mean, yes. I'm gonna write it down.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

It would be on my list.

[Tim Gettys]

Now for the upteenth time. I don't know what a roguelite is and what a roguelike is. And I shouldn't admit this at all. And I definitely shouldn't admit the fact that I never know. And every time I have to say it, I kind of just mumble it and I hope nobody catches me.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I'll be honest, at this point, it doesn't matter.

[Tim Gettys]

I know.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's why I've been there. Everything. The difference. As far as I understand it. I made a whole video about this. I even talked to Derek Yu, creator of Splunky. As far as I understand it, the difference is that a true roguelike is like, you are almost one for one for. With like what rogue is as a video game. There's no. And I think the main thing being there's no progression.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Like, there's no long term progression. When you.

[Genevieve Miller]

A true reset every time.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. When you. When you lose a run, you are not gaining anything. You are going in fresh every single time. And yeah, like it's different every single time.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Roguelites. I think usually you have progression. Throw that out the window. Nobody.

[Tim Gettys]

We get what we're saying.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Everything's a roguelite. That said. Oh, and Balatro. Damn. There might be more than 16 games to list here.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Another one I'm also writing down.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

If people didn't hear Binding of Isaac. Oh, okay.

[Genevieve Miller]

That was the one I was about to shout out.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. Like there's a lot more to list.

[Genevieve Miller]

Do you have both spelunkies on there?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

No, but maybe I just wrote Spunky 2.

[Genevieve Miller]

I could see it only being spelunky. Like, I don't feel like I hear people talk about two as much as the first Spelunky.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. But I know how much Mitchell Saltzman loves spunky too.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, something to say.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Mitchell Saltzman loves Splunky.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, something to say.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I know. He loves the first monkey as well.

[Genevieve Miller]

Oh, put that first one on there.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Blueprints. Blueprints. That's top five.

[Genevieve Miller]

I know.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Roguelikes are such a weird genre.

[Genevieve Miller]

It's a weird genre.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Like, it's so nuts now.

[Genevieve Miller]

It feels like a. What's. What is considered an RPG versus what has RPG mechanics?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I mean, let's talk about it, right? What makes a roguelike a roguelike? We're going to talk.

[Genevieve Miller]

We're.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You're doing like a perma death mechanic, right? You lose the run and you have to start over. Procedural generation. As far as, like, every time you go back into a run, things are different.

[Genevieve Miller]

You have to.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You're having to make different choices.

[Tim Gettys]

That's it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think that for the most part, that's it.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Which then allows. Yeah. Many different things and genres to. To fit in. Like, which is kind of freaking cool when you think about it. That like Hades and Balatro and Returnal can all be described in a. In a similar way. And it's like, it's accurate.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, it's less of a genre. It's weird. It's a genre, but it's also a system.

[Tim Gettys]

It's also system based. Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. Because you can be a card game roguelike, but you can also be a third person action roguelike or a third person shooter rogue. Third person God of War, Valhalla.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I mean that. That's the thing is I fucking love it personally. I just. I don't think that it gets love anywhere. I don't think it's on the list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

We don't talk about it. I could see it being like at the bottom of the list.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

But like, as we list more games. Well, I just talk for a second

[Tim Gettys]

about God of War, Valhalla.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Because like, so good.

[Tim Gettys]

It. First off, free awesome. Second off, random surprise drop of just here it is. And let's just take a game that's awesome and add these elements to it that just make it even more awesome. But on top of that story stuff. That's great.

[Genevieve Miller]

It's not just like a. It's not like the Last of Us roguelike mode. Right. Like, Donkey Kong actually is integrated into Kratos unpacking stuff from the ending of Ragnarok, which was so well done. And the action of the roguelike mechanics kind of go into his thought process of like, kind of having to think about this big decision he's gonna make.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Cradle's going to therapy, which is such an ingenious idea that should have been

[Genevieve Miller]

on our top 10 list that year.

[Tim Gettys]

I voted for it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Was it not.

[Genevieve Miller]

It wasn't. I voted for it as well.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Like, that's. That was a.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

What year was that? That must have been a strong 20, 23. What came out that year?

[Genevieve Miller]

Tears of the Kingdom, Armored core, Alan Wake 2, Spider Man 2, Cyberpunk.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Okay. That was a really strong year, actually.

[Genevieve Miller]

Really strong.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. That was a great game.

[Genevieve Miller]

Should have been on there. More so than Jedi Survivor.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

All I'm saying, I mean that I feel I. I'd agree with that. Man, there's so many games. Okay, right now I have written down 13 video games, and I feel like we're not slowing down.

[Genevieve Miller]

Chat's also pointing out ftl Faster than Light. That's not one that I ever played, but I do hear a lot of people talk about.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, out of my wheelhouse.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I've not played ftl, but I know the Sickles love ftl.

[Tim Gettys]

You know it's a rogue, like, because I didn't.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yes, cool. Yeah, I do know.

[Tim Gettys]

I put it on the list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Did we write down Returnal?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah. I hope you did.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, No, I wrote it down. That was one of the first things we wrote down.

[Genevieve Miller]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You said puzzle earlier.

[Genevieve Miller]

Well, just blueprints.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh. Referring to blueprints. I see.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

What am I. I feel like there's things we're forgetting.

[Genevieve Miller]

There's one that I just had on the tip of my.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I'm just trying to envision the three choices. What games do we have? The three choice. Oh, well, you didn't really play Rogue Prince of Persia, right?

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, I played a fair amount when it was an early access, and it was just a bit too early access for me. And there was certain, like, graphical things they did that I didn't like. They changed those in the final release, and they added a lot more. I have not put significant time into it, and it's. It just came out at absolutely the worst time because it came out right around Hollow Knight and Hades, and it's just like, I'm at a time that I am playing that type of game. Like, you know, more simple, presented at least 2D games, and I'm having the best time ever. But, yeah, Rogue Prince of Persia, that's like, something that needed to come out, like, this march, you know what I mean? While y' all were playing blueprints, I would have been playing that, but I didn't get to it.

[Genevieve Miller]

Chat reminds me. Outer Wilds.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's not a rogue.

[Tim Gettys]

Like.

[Genevieve Miller]

No, no.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Everything's the same every. Every time you come back.

[Genevieve Miller]

Oh, okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

There's like, procedural generation. Right?

[Genevieve Miller]

Okay, that's fair.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Vampire survivors.

[Genevieve Miller]

Vampire survivors.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I don't think we mentioned that.

[Genevieve Miller]

Enter the Gungeon is also one that Chat's calling out.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, that's good.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I never got that into Enter the Gunship. I tried it and I. Oh, no. Did I try it? I didn't. I'm thinking of a different one. I'm thinking of Mother Gunship or whatever the that was called.

[Tim Gettys]

Chad's Bringing up Loop Hero.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I Was also gonna bring up Lupiro. I don't know if it's on that level. I have.

[Genevieve Miller]

I think people with that game, though.

[Tim Gettys]

What's interesting about it is I. I'm. People fuck with it. I don't know if it's enough, but I do think it's a different enough genre compared to the others that it might make the list because of that. Because the quality is there. Yeah, it's more like. I just don't think that game has the, like, notoriety overall.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. Because like, I was. I was going to mention next risk of Rain 2, which is another one that I've not played as much of. But like, if you. It's another if you know, you know, kind of thing. Like when we were playing Return, when Returnal came out, I feel like Risk of Rain two was the. Oh, this is how you lead to this. Like, Rain two brought so much to the table. I feel like that makes it for sure.

[Genevieve Miller]

Ghostly in the chat says vampire isn't procedural. I feel like the enemies are procedural.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

No, I didn't play enough vampire survivors, so I don't know what the procedural elements of that game are. I feel like it's like enemies plus the items that appear. Yeah, all that.

[Genevieve Miller]

I don't feel like I was doing this. Like, you know, the gameplay chat's saying.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, no, no.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Back to back as far as, like, it. All right, Chad, are you saying Vampire Survivors isn't a roguelike?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's what they're saying.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Only the same every time,

[Genevieve Miller]

huh?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

This what I'm gonna do.

[Genevieve Miller]

All right.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I'm gonna.

[Tim Gettys]

What the hell is Mega Bonk? People keep talking about three.

[Genevieve Miller]

It's just 3D ripped vampire survivors, essentially.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Cuz I've only seen it on the Tik Tok trend.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Genevieve Miller]

Mike's playing. Oh, well, Mike and Andy are both playing a lot of it.

[Tim Gettys]

Have y' all seen this trend?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, Mega Bonk.

[Tim Gettys]

Mega Bonk, Yes.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Where they like, jump on like someone's laying on the bed. Mega bong.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, no, no, I haven't seen that. I'm not with the video game. No.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm so upset because it's the most Tim coded where I would do that to g any damn day of the week. She's all pregnant. I can't do it. I just can't do it. I want a wrestling frog slasher so bad.

[Genevieve Miller]

Here's what we do, you know, like, everybody keep that trend going for the next.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Six, seven months and Then you do it to your child.

[Tim Gettys]

I also. Oh, oh, I already told you that's happening. But I also am not even sure that what I'm talking about is Mega Bonk. But they say something with like, mega. I thought it was mega Bonk. And I keep seeing people say mega bonk now. And I'm like, is that it must

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

be all the same thing.

[Tim Gettys]

So tell me if I'm wrong, everyone.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Tucker, Prestige, I mispronoun pronounced your names. I'm sorry. Prestridge in chat says. I love how no one is saying the Last was to no Return. I wanted to like. I like that mode. In the preview when it came out, it was that it was one of those things where I was like, oh, I don't want to do this. I don't know.

[Tim Gettys]

I really think there's something to be said about post release game modes just not hitting the same because they just don't feel like they're worth our time. Even if they're worth our time.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And I say that from the game's media perspective, but also just as a player. Something about it feels afterthought. And I think that that goes back to God of War, Valhalla. This has nothing to do with the quality of the game and like how amazing and how much love it's put into it. I just think it immediately feels like it doesn't matter just because we already beat the game. Whatever they're doing clearly can't be that important. There's exceptions to that rule, but I think there's so few and far between. Like, I think about Fortnite's Battle Royale mode as the biggest example of, hey, a separate mode ended up becoming the. The thing. And we're talking about the biggest thing in the world. But more often than not, like Last of Us no Return, despite the quality of it, it was never going to set the world on fire, you know?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. I think.

[Tim Gettys]

And it's Last of Us in theory. Anything new? Last of Us should.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. I also think there's the thing of ro. We're in the place with roguelites, where roguelikes, where companies have identified them as being. Oh man, now people really like, like this mode. And I think you, you're. You're seeing attempts of trying to put them into things without the care, love and attention to actually make those modes good. Like, you can't just put a roguelite in something and go, ah, we did it like that. It's like, no, you got to actually develop it to make that gameplay loop so satisfying. That's why Hades 2 and Hades 1, like, I think, functioned so well in early access, because you got to really take in that feedback and really dial it in. Like, that dial in portion of making a roguelike, I think is so important. And that's why I especially look at Donkey Kong Bonanza as an example of, like, you can't just put this thing in and expect it to blow up because it's a roguelite.

[Tim Gettys]

And I think expounding on your point there, because I think you're absolutely right. I think there's two ways to look at it. Where it's like, gameplay fun, Rog. Like, fun. Put those together, it's fun. And that's Last of Us no Return. Right. And Donkey Kong even, where it's like, yes, the gameplay is fun. And adding a roguelike mode, there's fun there. That totally makes sense. But the thing that makes it a amazing roguelike is the story beats the surprises. The every single time I've entered this room, this happened. But the one time that happened.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yes. Yeah. Those surprises.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I would even say, like, the upgrades being things that are. That make you go, I can't choose. With DK Bonanza, it was all. It was never the thing of, like, oh, man, I. I won all three of these. It was like, I don't really care any of these.

[Tim Gettys]

What am I doing?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Like, it all felt like it was adding to a number that I would never see.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

And Hades. We're gonna keep coming back to Hades because we're playing Hades too. And that game is a 10 out of 10. Every single time I'm looking at an upgrade in Hades too. I won't say every single time, but very often when I'm looking at an upgrade in Hades too, I'm like, damn, that's a really cool upgrade. I want to try that. But then also this one I kind of want to see as well.

[Genevieve Miller]

But then also, I'll never use.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

And also I'll never use Cat. So same behavior.

[Tim Gettys]

But I. Talking this out, I do think. And. And admittedly, I am not the most well versed in all of these games. A handful of them. I very much am. Like, I do think I do like this sub genre, whatever it is, because there's a lot of gameplay styles that speak to me that Rog Lights do add to. But I want to fight for God of War, Valhalla. It belongs on this list because they did put the loving care into everything we just said.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I agree.

[Tim Gettys]

Story and surprises and all that stuff. And want anytime a a choice Came up. It was a choice because I was like, ah, man, I want that. But if I choose this, I get that later. And it's like, that's. That's good design.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

God of War, Valhalla was so good that, like, it took a combat system, which I really like the combat system of God of War in God of War, Ragnarok. But it was never like a. I was never this is the greatest combat system kind of guy for God of War. Valhalla kind of turned it into that for me where I was like, oh no, this is singing now. Like there's something that Valhalla does with the combat where I'm like, man, I am just into. I'm using the. You know, I'll also say light spoilers for God of War. If you haven't played God of war since 2023 or whatever. The spear that you get in that game. I didn't really with the spear in that main story. Like, I thought it was fine. I thought it was cool. I thought it was a cool story beat. But I was never like a main weapon. I came back to for God of War, Valhalla.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, dude. I was a spirit guy. I was Roman Reigns up in there. I was spearing left and right.

[Genevieve Miller]

Two other ones that I'm thinking of as well. Cult of a Little Lamb is an interesting one. Oh yeah, this is. It did something different with the whole town building aspect, building into the whole roguelike stuff. And then I feel like the other reason this list comes out this week. You brought up Hades to Tim, but Absolum also just came out now.

[Tim Gettys]

I did look up the review.

[Genevieve Miller]

They gave it a 7 out of 10. Yeah, but that was a review written by Will Borger.

[Tim Gettys]

True. Did you read the review? No, I did.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I happen to for this. And the big criticism is that the roguelike stuff doesn't fit the game.

[Genevieve Miller]

Interesting.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, I saw. I forget what other website. I saw another website have a similar thing where they're like, the beat em up part is fantastic. The Roguelite part lets it down a little bit.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but that is a good shout though.

[Genevieve Miller]

But I do wonder. That's one person's opinion from ign where this is, you know, larger swath.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I got a. I got a large handful of games written down here in the list that we already have 17 games overall. If I had absolute, that'll be 18. But going for the top of the things I've written down, splunky 2 Hades 2 Hades 1 Dead cells, blueprints, Rogue Legacy 2 Slay the spire Balatron Binding of Isaac Inscription Returnal Splunky God of War Valhalla FTL Faster Than Light Vampire survivors Risk of Rain 2 Cult of the Lamb

[Tim Gettys]

I mean that's a solid ass list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's a really solid ordering of it.

[Tim Gettys]

That's pretty interesting.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, I mean these aren't super ordered. Like there's a little bit ordered but not really. If we're talking about top, let's just

[Tim Gettys]

talk top three because I don't think we need to like literally order the entire list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, for sure we don't. Top three.

[Tim Gettys]

Should we do that right after an ad break?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You know what, I like that idea, tim. Of course. Patreon.com kind of funny YouTube.com kind of funny games where you can go and get the kind of funny membership which gets you shows ad free. And speaking of ads, here's some ads.

[Tim Gettys]

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[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

There are some games on the table still Night Rain. I don't know if it's going to make top 16.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean it should, right? Yeah. Just simply based off how critically well that game was received. Like that game. It did what it set out to do and I don't think that like we expected that, but I don't know

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

if it was critically well received. I feel like it was. I'll look it up as a topic.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah. Open critic has it at a 77%.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, the audience just really liked it.

[Tim Gettys]

What was IGN?

[Genevieve Miller]

Seven.

[Tim Gettys]

I think you give it a seven.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. Okay. It was just a weird One where it's like the audience just liked it way more than the critics.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Like, there's things that. I think that game is just a weird video game. Yeah. There's things that just don't come together, but when you get in the hands of the audience, people just don't care because the game's so fun. Anyway.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I wanted to shout out.

[Genevieve Miller]

I don't know if this actually fits, but minute. Remember minute.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, I mean, I wouldn't say that fits because it's not like procedurally generated. Right. That's another one where everything, every run is the same.

[Tim Gettys]

Was that the mobile game?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

No, that was the. Jared Petty would talk about it a lot. It was like an 8 bit, 4 bit, like, retro indie game, Zelda. Like, but like, every minute you die.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Sick.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Really, really fun little game. Somebody in chat said Darkest Dungeon, which I've not played, but is that a roguelite? Because if so, that.

[Tim Gettys]

Then that's 100 Pence's. I don't want to say 100 Pence's favorite video game. Like, I think it's his favorite game. He loves it more than baseball.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Dude. Darkest Dungeon is one that I feel like if I ever booted up, my life is changing.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's one that I got to stay away from.

[Tim Gettys]

I think that's true for you because Hunter, more than anything, he loves baseball and Alexis and all that stuff. But it's Darkest Dungeon and Magic the Gathering.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. Oh, we got to play magic with Hunter.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, you definitely do. But also, it's like that type of mind.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Blessed mind.

[Genevieve Miller]

Darkest Dungeon is a roguelike role playing game.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, yeah. Keep it away from me and keep it away from me.

[Genevieve Miller]

I will say, like, maybe it's Mitchell and Simon who wrote it. Maybe there's a larger committee. I do know there were people at IGN who fuck with Darkest Dungeon heavily if they were on the committee. You know, possibly. It got a 9.1 from IGN.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

When Darkest Dungeon came out, it was as if video game Ronald Reagan had released crack on the streets, where, like, you just walk by people and they're like, darkest Dungeon. I'm like, what? The same comparison. It's like people fucking people with Darkest Dungeon. Heavy dog. And that's on the list. That's on the list.

[Tim Gettys]

Hey, put it on the list.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I apologize. I was too crazy with it. That was.

[Genevieve Miller]

That was wild.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what else is wild? And we don't need to go on a tangent here. I'm just. This is just a Tim Getty's opinion We really give points on review scale scores. Are you kidding me? Well, that was.

[Genevieve Miller]

That was back in the day.

[Tim Gettys]

I know, I know, but I just think that it's the funniest goddamn thing.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Every scale is stupid. That is a fact. I'm just putting that out there so I know our skill stupid too. Cool.

[Genevieve Miller]

Because we have points.

[Tim Gettys]

But putting points on it, it's like, yo, what's the difference between 9.1, 9.3?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Remember when San Andreas, I think for my IGN got a 9.9. What are we doing?

[Tim Gettys]

What are we doing?

[Genevieve Miller]

Double dash.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

What?

[Genevieve Miller]

7.9, right?

[Tim Gettys]

Yep. Mario Kart, double dash seven.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That point nine was kicking people.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm pretty sure Twilight Princess got an 8.8.

[Genevieve Miller]

Crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Best dungeons in the series. Come on. What are we talking about here?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

Gotta shave off point two though, from that nine because the intro kind of sucked.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah, the intro did kind of suck. It's a very slow opening.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

It's not perfect. Yeah. All right, top three. Let's talk. Let's talk top five, actually.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, I like that. I mean, here's the thing. What if it's not in the top five? Are we gonna be like. What the man? Hades.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Hades. Hey, like a Hades.

[Tim Gettys]

Dead cells, I think, are two that have to be there.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I feel like dead cells can slip

[Tim Gettys]

to that 610 range, but dead cells got a 10.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Did it? Well, I think I thought the deal

[Genevieve Miller]

in the original review or the real review.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Wait, what was the real. Oh, I forgot about that.

[Genevieve Miller]

That was a heart attack that I think I learned while playing Fortnite with Kevin, that whoever we were playing with, I think it might have been Cheeks who was like, Ah, IGN's just copying reviews now. And I was like, what?

[Tim Gettys]

God, what a time.

[Genevieve Miller]

Jesus.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Here's what I'll say, right? Splunky 2 and Hades 2 are gonna be. Or Slinky 2 and Hades, I'll say, are gonna be top five. I would also say Slay the Spire. I think Slay the Spire is one of the ones for people.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's out of my Slay the

[Genevieve Miller]

Spire definitely took over the IGN office.

[Tim Gettys]

Dead Cells, though, I think is like a non negotiable for top five.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Really? Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

For the impact to the genre and like that. That puts so many people on reviewed so well. All of the continued follow up content was amazing and that game rocked.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I forgot how much I love Dead Cells until I just imagined the gameplay in my head. Yeah.

[Genevieve Miller]

Binding of Isaac I think has to

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

be in top five, but I was. What was that?

[Genevieve Miller]

Binding of Isaac.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

See, and that's where we. That's where we get into this place where I look at Binding of Isaac, I look at Risk of Rain. Two, I look at Darkest Dungeon, I look at ftl. Those four games might kick dead cells down.

[Tim Gettys]

No, man, I feel like all those are. Niche is not the word, but they are fan base specific.

[Genevieve Miller]

Binding of Isaac, I think broke that Binding of Isaac.

[Tim Gettys]

Not all of them. Not all of them, but it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think it is that toss up where. Yeah, you go to the fan bases of any of these games and they're trying to fight for the top five spot.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Like, I think. And I would. I'll probably, maybe even include dead cells in the conversation. I feel like that cells is one of those where it's like between dead cells, Risk of Rain, darkest Dungeon, ftl. You put any of those in the top five and it makes sense. And so which one is getting pushed down? Even blueprints, though? Let's just talk top three. Are we. Are we doing Splunky, Hades, Slay the spire? Or do we think dead cells enters that top three?

[Genevieve Miller]

I don't know if it's up three.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's tough.

[Tim Gettys]

I think it is.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think we just get into it.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's get into it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think we just get into it because I really. I really can't predict this. Starting at the bottom, let me open up this IGN list again.

[Genevieve Miller]

Give me a second.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

These are the top 16 best roguelike games as determined by IGN. I'll read the first blurb just to set the tone here. Ask three different video game fans to define what a roguelike is, and chances are you're likely to get three different responses. One might say, oh, yeah, those are the. Those are like that game with sexy Greek Gods. Another might reply, no, you idiot. Hades is a roguelite. A roguelike is a game like Splunky. And another still might slam their hands on the table and shout, the reason they're called roguelikes is because they're like the 1980s dungeon crawler Rogue. None of those games are roguelikes at all. All this to say that this is a genre with a hotly contested definition, which is why making a list of best roguelikes is a trick is a bit tricky. Nevertheless, we feel like it's still worth doing because the games within it are among the most influential of the past decade. So we're going to simplify the definition to be a game that features both procedural generation and permadeath as core gameplay elements.

[Tim Gettys]

Love it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

All right, I'll Say that again. Good.

[Tim Gettys]

Good job, boys.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's a great. That's a great first two paragraphs. A game that features both procedural generation and permadeath as core elements of gameplay.

[Tim Gettys]

Good.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I. E. It's not just a mode that you have the option to turn off or on.

[Tim Gettys]

So I. I have a question. Following up on my ignorance earlier about the difference between the two. Is there another genre that there's this difference between light and, like.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's a really good question, because why

[Tim Gettys]

are we adding, like, it all? Let's just get, like, out of here.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think maybe that was like, an early thing where there were souls light, but I think coming off of Rogue, there were more genuine rogue likes. And then as we got further into, like, the 2000s and, like the India era and stuff, more lights started to pop up and just became way more popular. I think that's. That's how it worked.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. It's just funny because I feel like somebody was just trying to get cute at one point, which is like, it's a rogue light.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, it's like, we can call it light.

[Tim Gettys]

And then all of a sudden that caught on.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

And then that caught on super hard. And now get out of here. I think we're post that now. I think we just call them roguelikes now. All right, coming in at number 16, we got cult of the Lamb. I was thinking this one might have slipped off.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah, Sam.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, I mean, it's 16, right? So maybe, like. Maybe this was a top 15 list. And they're like, you know what?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

We gotta shout out Colt William.

[Genevieve Miller]

It took over the world for sure.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

At number 15, we got enter the Gungeon.

[Tim Gettys]

I came up and chat earlier. Right?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

We. Yeah. Oh, we talked about it. Here's the thing.

[Tim Gettys]

Is it on ours?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

End of the Gungeon? Let's see. Oh, I think I meant to write it down, but I didn't. But we can count that as an L. That said, I think I'm gonna make the prediction. We only see two games here that we didn't mention or surprise by.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, I like that.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. I think for the most part, that's fun.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

There's stakes now, everybody.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think only two games here for the. That we missed, including this one.

[Tim Gettys]

Or two more.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Two more.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, so three total.

[Genevieve Miller]

I. I feel like we count this because we did bring it up, I think.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, I'm pretty.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but we didn't put it down.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

But that's. I just forgot to write it down. All right, coming in at number 14, we got into the breach. Wait, did we not mention into the breach? I read it in chat. And I think I meant to say it.

[Tim Gettys]

I forgot to say I'm gonna be a thousand percent real with you. This is the game I was thinking about when I was talking about a different one that we. No, no.

[Genevieve Miller]

Oh, Loop Hero.

[Tim Gettys]

Yes.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, and yeah. No. Into the. This is such an easy slam dunk for this list, too. I mean, but this also, I think, is in the FTL conversation of, like. This has such a strong fan base. People love this game. I'm kind of surprised to see it. At number 14, there's another one I've always wanted to play as well. And number 13. Okay, so now we got one more slot left to lose. Number 13, we got Rogue Legacy 2. Low. Yeah, a lot of good games.

[Genevieve Miller]

I think that's because the first one's high.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You think the first one's on here, too?

[Genevieve Miller]

Wait, no. I'm also mixing up. Tim's making me mix up games out to Rogue Legacy and. What was the other one? Spelunky. I'm thinking of Spelunky.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Oh, yeah. No, no.

[Genevieve Miller]

But still way lower than I expected.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

At number 12, we got monster Train. I didn't. Man, I didn't realize Monster Train was on that level.

[Genevieve Miller]

People are talking. People are with this game.

[Tim Gettys]

Wow.

[Genevieve Miller]

And it sounds like one that you need to Play.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Monster Train 2. Huh? We played this at GDC. I had a friend, like, years ago Recommend Monster Train 1 to me, and I played a little bit of it. I was like, oh, this is cool. But I moved on, man. All right. Monster Train 2.

[Tim Gettys]

I love this. This is so far. Great list. Yeah. Look, we were wrong. But I love that because of how contentious and how much quality there is in this genre. Whatever you want to call it. What do we want to call it? What is it? Because I. I keep rogues. Yeah, but, like, what is. What is that?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think everything's a genre. We could just call it genre.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but I just feel like that's. It's weird because it's not a genre. It's a system.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Video games are weird.

[Tim Gettys]

Video games are weird. God damn it. Bless your.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Right? I mean, open worlds are. That's a genre. But. But not.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't think it is. I think an RPG, that's the genre.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, but an RPG? What defines RPGs, though?

[Tim Gettys]

It's the systems we're doing.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

It's the systems that define an rpg, man. Okay. Because here's my thing. Monster, as well, is. I think I always considered I always looked at Monster Train of like, oh, you're just Slay the Spire with a twist. Now I'm gonna. I'm gonna do my due diligence. I'm playing Monster Train 2.

[Tim Gettys]

Guys, he's doing it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I'm gonna check out Monster. Doing it, man. I also, I think. I'm pretty sure I already bought Slay the Spire on my phone too, because I knew I was gonna get addicted to that. Number 11. Moving on to number 11, Returnal.

[Genevieve Miller]

Oh, hurts.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That is this low. Yeah, I expected this low.

[Tim Gettys]

Low.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah. That's fair.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

This is understandable to me. On my personal list, I'm putting this top five.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah, this is very high. For me personally, I. I think Returnal, more so than Hades one, actually sold me the most on the roguelike structure that I've definitely played way more rogue like since Returnal than before it. And I think that's just like the moment to moment gameplay is just so phenomenal.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

But I also feel like Returnal, it's all. I. I would say the moment to moment gameplay is almost even better than the roguelite part of it. Like, it's the third person shooting and like the actual action and the visuals and like that moment to moment gameplay fucking carries.

[Genevieve Miller]

Is that bullet hell arcade game that. That does. Housemarque does so well.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

The road light is additive, but it's just that inherent, like. Yeah, moment to moment. That's so good. And shout out to like all. Even the freaky cutscenes, I would play between runs where you get like glimpses.

[Genevieve Miller]

Oh, yeah. The story is phenomenal. And like what that is as like an allegory for Selene's story.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. At number 10, we got vampire survivors. There we go.

[Genevieve Miller]

Hell yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Now I forget, are we. So are we on like a zero life mode where if we. If we miss another one, then we're

[Tim Gettys]

done or already fucked up.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Did we just fuck up?

[Genevieve Miller]

Okay, yeah, we missed into the breach. And didn't we miss Monster Train?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. What if we give ourselves one?

[Tim Gettys]

We got a zero?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

One. One more.

[Tim Gettys]

All right.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

One more and we truly death defied. There we go.

[Tim Gettys]

All right.

[Genevieve Miller]

But also the chat was very adamant that Vampire Survivors was not a roguelike.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

But yeah, and I disagreed with chat. I wrote it down anyway. Yeah, come on. No, man. It's like porn. You know when you play it. You know it when you play. You play me and brave survivors, you're like, that's a roguelike. At number nine, you got blueprints. Yeah, come on. It's a game of the Year. Of course it's on the list, guys.

[Tim Gettys]

Good stuff. I love it. Again, very different. Look at every game that's been on the list so far. I feel like they're all a different gameplay genre. So sick, dude.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I love roguelike so much. Number eight, you got dead cells.

[Tim Gettys]

Damn. Wow. Way lower than I expected.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I. It's. I think it's just like the normie versus, like, the nerds thing, where if you're, like, an extra rogue, like, nerd, you're gonna look at dead cells and be like, nah, man, it's too mainstream.

[Tim Gettys]

But that's my thing is I think it's so mainstream.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Nick Scarpino played this game. Crazy Scarfito, man. I didn't just try it. Like, he played for, like, 30 hours or something. So. Yeah. Amazing game.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

This game rocks. Number seven, we got Balatro.

[Genevieve Miller]

There you go.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

There we go.

[Tim Gettys]

Yep, Yep.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

When I put dead cells about Balatro, Balatro broke out more than dead cells.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, yeah. Electro was like. Is different. Balacho is so a card game. Like, it's. It. It's.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I can't. I can't be mad at that.

[Genevieve Miller]

It's like putting, like, poker with roguelike stuff and all of the systems that you can use to just break this game. It's just so addicting.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

At number six, we got ftl Faster than Light. This is one of those ones where it's just too hardcore for me.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I look at this game and I'm

[Tim Gettys]

like, too many things.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I'm like. I know, I know. For your audience, it's probably. It's like cracking the. But, you know, not even once. Not even once is what they say in the. It is at number five. You got Slay the Spire. Another one that I know would change my life.

[Tim Gettys]

Now we got four left.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Four left.

[Tim Gettys]

We've seen no Hades yet. At this point, I imagine we only get one.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, you're probably only gonna get one.

[Tim Gettys]

Which one is it?

[Genevieve Miller]

I think two.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, I'm gonna say two. Two is just so good. Yeah. I'm picking. I'm picking two. Easy over one.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah. In terms of just, like that moment to moment gameplay. And just the way that they have smartly broken up the loop of a roguelike. Right. In terms of the. The two different objectives. I think it was, like, really smart. Yeah, I think too.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

So I think you're gonna get Hades too. You're gonna get Splunky, too, for sure.

[Genevieve Miller]

Or Spelunky1. Who knows?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

It's Mitchell Saltzman. You're gonna get. You're gonna get spunky, too.

[Genevieve Miller]

Binding of Isaac.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Binding of Isaac.

[Tim Gettys]

So we have one more spot. Poor God of war. Valhalla.

[Genevieve Miller]

I would go Darkest dungeon.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, I was gonna say darkest dungeon. I really want inscription on here, but maybe Inscription is a weird game where you get to a certain point where it's not a roguelike anymore. Yeah. And so maybe that pushes it out. Yeah, I think that has to be it.

[Tim Gettys]

All right, let's go.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Wait, wait. Have you seen Risk of Rain, too?

[Tim Gettys]

No.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You're gonna get risk of rain 2 on here.

[Genevieve Miller]

I don't know what that instead of darkest dungeon.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

So Hades is number one.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Splunky two is number one.

[Tim Gettys]

You think?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I think.

[Tim Gettys]

I love this. I love the Mitchell Saltzman game.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Dude, I know how Mitchell Saltzman operates. Splunky 2 is number one. I'm calling. I'm calling my shot.

[Tim Gettys]

Calling it. I'm calling it, everybody.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

And also, number four is gonna be risk of rain, too. I'm calling that as well.

[Genevieve Miller]

Yeah, I could see risk of rain number four. And then over the other, binding of Isaac number three. Hades two, number two, Spelunky one or two number number one.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I could also see. I could see. I mean, yeah, I guess I could see spot binding of Isaac being number four also. But I think the next two games we're going to see are going to be biting of Isaac and risk of rain, too.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I think Hades is number one or two. And because of the Mitchell Saltzman thing, I think you're right a little bit, too.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Coming in at number four, we got. Whoa. That changes everything.

[Tim Gettys]

The Fighting Game champion lost the fight. Somebody looked at him and said, nobody.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

They looked at them, and they were like, no. Hades two needs to be number one.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, hold on.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I got a message. I got a message.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm sorry, Mitchell. I'm so sorry.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Just maybe I have him wrong. How far.

[Genevieve Miller]

How hard did you actually fight for Spelunky?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Maybe I had Mitchell wrong because, like, hold on. Go. Let's.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's keep.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Keep going through the list, because I'm gonna. We're gonna go through this. I'm gonna circle back to his. His reveal review.

[Genevieve Miller]

Okay.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Unless. Unless. What if Splunky one. I'm just saying, man, Makes it a.

[Genevieve Miller]

That audience with Spelunky one for so long.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, man. This episode needed a little spice. I love that it's here.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

We're in the spice territory. Oh, man. Somebody called the Lisa Nile guy Spelunky one, number one.

[Genevieve Miller]

Hades two, number two, binding of Isaac number three.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I don't. Man. I think what we. We haven't seen repeats of franchises. I don't know if you could do that.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't think the gutter.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Dude, I don't think you can do that.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, my God.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

All right, number three. You got Hades. Hades.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, no. Hold on.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

One.

[Tim Gettys]

Hold on. Hades won.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Everything just changed.

[Tim Gettys]

Everything's changed.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Everything changed.

[Genevieve Miller]

Are you about to eat your words out of no repeats?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I don't know what's going on in the top.

[Tim Gettys]

It's crazy.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Could it. Could it be that risk of rain too? And what was the other one we're working with? Binding of Isaac.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Because you have to have those on this list. All right, my new prediction. Binding of Isaac. Number one, Risk of Rain two. Number two.

[Tim Gettys]

I, I, I still feel like Spelunky

[Genevieve Miller]

is Spelunky One is on here.

[Tim Gettys]

Let's go. Let's just go. I need to know.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Coming in at number two, we got the Binding of Isaac Rebirth.

[Tim Gettys]

Ok, y', all, we are in a crazy spot right now.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Do I gotta play Risk of Rain too? I might have to play Risk of Rain.

[Tim Gettys]

There's number one. It's going to be either Risk of Rain two, Splunky one, or Hades two.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

What a crazy place we're in.

[Tim Gettys]

They're saying something. What are they gonna say?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Coming in at number one, we got Hades two. Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

Wow.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Damn.

[Tim Gettys]

They did it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Hades Dom.

[Tim Gettys]

They did it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Hades dominance. Damn. Okay, so what?

[Tim Gettys]

I kind of with you, selfishly.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

He didn't put. He did not put risk of rain 2 on this list.

[Genevieve Miller]

They didn't.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You didn't put risk of rain 2 on this list. That's ballsy.

[Tim Gettys]

That's ballsy.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's ballsy.

[Tim Gettys]

Ballsy.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Wow.

[Genevieve Miller]

I can't even gave it a 9 out of 10. I went to double check the review

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

of it for Risk of Rain too. Yeah, let me read. I need. Okay. What I. Because the only thing I'm focused on right now. Splunky2ign review. What did they give this? They gave it a 10 out of 10. Mitchell Saltzman gave it a 10 out of 10. Let me read the verdict he got.

[Genevieve Miller]

He got definitely vetoed. Vetoed on that one.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

He says. I wasn't sure I wanted I wasn't sure what I wanted out of a sequel to Splunky, given how high of a pedestal I keep the original game on. How do you improve upon a game like that? But Moss Mouth took its time and managed to deliver a masterpiece that improves upon his predecessor in ways I never would have imagined. Splunky 2 takes everything that made the original great and expands upon each of those individual aspects without ever over complicating the elegant retro simplicity of its 2D platforming. It doesn't do much to win over people who. Who already weren't fans of the original's unforgiving difficulty. But as someone who is more than 200 runs in and feels like he's only scratched the surface, Spunky 2 is a game that I see myself playing for a long, long time. I mean, that sounded very positive. Didn't necessarily sound like he was selling a soul for the game, but I'm very surprised.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm gonna say it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Say it.

[Tim Gettys]

This list is the shit.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Wow. I'm a say Tim Gettys loves this list.

[Tim Gettys]

I love it because I said this earlier. I love how varied the list is in terms of gameplay, genre, and how different it is. I think this game puts people on to things they might not have known about. Things like Monster Train 2.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yep.

[Tim Gettys]

You look at this and when you. There are those mainstream games that you've heard about that you know that are great and whatever, but then you're like, if you like those, maybe give these other ones a shot. I think this is just a well crafted list. There's obviously a lot of thought put into it. They made the choice for the double Hades that high.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

It's a crazy choice.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

That's a crazy.

[Tim Gettys]

But it's like. I think it's a statement that they clearly stand behind.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah. They're saying, which I. I also respect. Yeah. Like biting of Isaac at number two. I respect it. Like, I think that is just like a respect to an OG of the genre. Like, even though I guess technically the OG would be rogue. But you get what I mean in terms of the indie.

[Genevieve Miller]

The modern iteration.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

The modern iteration. How much I feel like Binding of Isaac had a hold on the genre for a very long time until we started getting more games like Dead Cells and Hades and stuff. Yeah, man. I'm so. I'm still shocked at Spunky 2 at number 4. I don't have a personal investment. I will end up playing Splunky someday. It's my backlog. Because I'm sure I'd love it. I also will say, this is the shit. I like this list.

[Tim Gettys]

Joker man in the chat brings up Sifu and then people are shutting down. Like, no, it's definitely not a rogue. Like. And by the definition here, it's not.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

It's not right.

[Tim Gettys]

Because it's not procedurally generated. But that is interesting though, because it is a rogue Light.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

No, a rogue.

[Tim Gettys]

Like. Like, that's what it is.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

I'll take rogue.

[Tim Gettys]

Light.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Like. Yeah, yeah, I'll take that. Because then, like, that opens up, like,

[Tim Gettys]

rogue, but it's lighter than it.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Because I think there's another game we. Or there's another list. We could do that. Our top ten loop games.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Which then. Loop, Death Loop, Sifu, Outer Wilds for Forgotten City, Majora's Mask.

[Genevieve Miller]

It's got to be a top three.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah,

[Genevieve Miller]

I. I would.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm.

[Genevieve Miller]

I don't think this or this list is the or.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You gotta choose one. You gotta. You gotta choose one.

[Genevieve Miller]

No, today. Wow. Fence sitter.

[Tim Gettys]

You choose violence.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Before we get out of here, let me bring in some super chats. Alex J. Sandoval says I'm with Janet Garcia. No longer need to distinguish between like and light. Just call them rogue games. I mean, I think roguelike sticks.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm with roguelike.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, Roguelike already rolls off the tongue.

[Tim Gettys]

Rogue's not enough. Something's missing.

[Genevieve Miller]

Could we do something? Like the besties where they. They made up Sear for Metroidvania? Could we make up just, like, completely different words for roguelikes?

[Tim Gettys]

We need to choose our own genre. No, because I feel like roguelikes is too defined, and I. We can't be changing.

[Genevieve Miller]

Well, so was Metroidvania, but it's.

[Tim Gettys]

That's what it is. Forever. We're not calling this.

[Genevieve Miller]

But that's. I'm saying as a joke, like, search action.

[Tim Gettys]

But I feel like we need to find our own thing and do it our own job.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Hear me out. Run, remixers. Run, remixers. Procedural Remix Runs Remix.

[Genevieve Miller]

Run Procedural runs.

[Tim Gettys]

Remix.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Runners. Remix.

[Tim Gettys]

You know what? Y' all have sold me on this. Yeah. We need a slack general and make sure everyone at this company knows that we are no longer allowed to say rogue, roguelite, or roguelike. I'm out there. Remix.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Runners. Rsc. Raptorface says would Moonlighter count. Can't wait for two. Also, my daughter lost her first tooth. Congrats, Eleanor Bogey. She really wanted you guys to read her name.

[Tim Gettys]

Hell yeah.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Hell, yeah. Congratulations on the lost tooth.

[Tim Gettys]

What a big move.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Super big. Hopefully she's gonna earn a dollar from the tooth Fairy or more.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, one time.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

$20 cover her ears when I say this. One time, my dad accidentally put, like, a hundred dollar bill underneath my sister's pillow. Yeah. And, like, my sister woke up the next morning, she's like, the tooth fairy gave me a hundred dollars. And my dad's like, what? He gave me what Amazing Dude. Oh my God. That was like one of those stories we would tell all the time. Portland. Kevin said shout out to one of my all time faves. Everspace. Mike M says just got here. I'm so. I'm sorry if I missed it, but I have to give a shout out to Noita. N o I T a Noita. Noita. It's in a league of its own. I played like 1600 hours. Cool. Okay, I gotta look that up. MF Nick writes in and says, missed 2000 lives, so I'm donating here. Also, dead cells need to be number one. And then JM or Jimbo says, any chance of Peacemaker season two in review. Thanks.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no in review. And just timing's not working out right now. Just with who's out and who's actually watching the show. I would have wanted to do a screencast for it, but I did watch it last night. Did you?

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

No, I'm like, I think. I think I'm on the previous episode. So.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, my spoiler free thoughts on it are. I thought the season was absolutely incredible. I love James Gunn's vision for.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Is it over?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. This is the season finale.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Series finale. Apparently there was confusion earlier today. Me and Nick were talking about it because that was episode six. Or was that episode eight? Oh, okay.

[Tim Gettys]

It's the finale for sure. Because of that. I thought it was an amazing episode, amazing character development, like a very character focused episode. I thought it was not a good season finale. I was shocked the way it ended. Shocked. It's like, okay, you gotta look up

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

a trailer for Noita Noita. This looks kind of sick. Not even kind of. This looks sick. It's a pixel art. Oh my God. It's like a pixel art game with like every pixel. Like pixels go crazy. I don't know how to describe it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't know how to describe it.

[Tim Gettys]

It's like it's a pixel game. But like pixels, you know.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

You know how like in a voxel game, like you can break and things are destructible and the voxels go all over the place. It's that. But pixels. But then also it. It feels very like, like physics systemy. Is this just gameplay?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, it's a lot of pixels.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Yeah, it's like very physics systemy. So like there's fire, there's water, and like this shit will interact in the ways that you imagine. It looks really cool. And then I think I had one more. Oh, no. Maybe that was the last super chat. I'm not gonna lie. I went, I searched Noita and then lost the super chats. Guys, I got really curious about this Noida game. Oh no, that was the last one about Peacemaker.

[Tim Gettys]

All right, there we go.

[Blessing Adioa Jr.]

Tim, thank you so much for joining me on this episode. What a fun one. Very fun one. Of course. Each and every every weekday we get together and talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games, live on YouTube, Twitch, and all podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, support us with the kind of funny membership on Patreon or YouTube to get all of our shows ad free. Watch the live and get a daily exclusive show. There is a game showdown after this and it's a kind of feud that you don't want to miss. And so until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you.