The Most DIVISIVE Video Game Reviews of All Time - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

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Kinda Funny Gamescast: "The Most DIVISIVE Video Game Reviews of All Time"

Date: March 19, 2026
Hosts: Greg Miller, Andy Cortez (with appearances from Jordan Midler - VGC News, Barrett)

Overview

In this engaging episode, Greg, Andy, and guest Jordan Midler dive deep into the most divisive video game reviews in history—from infamous IGN scores to infamous review-bomb moments and the culture around heated community reactions. With examples ranging from God Hand to Uncharted 3 and Pokémon's "Too Much Water" meme, the crew reflects on what it’s like to be on both sides of the critical divide, the evolution of review discourse, and what these controversies reveal about gaming culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Catalyst: Crimson Desert's Mixed Reception

• Crimson Desert’s Launch (04:13)
  • Metacritic lands at 78, reflecting wide disparity in reviews (from 9.5 at Forbes to 5.5 by Greg Miller).
  • Studio Pearl Abyss’s stock drops ~30% post-review release.
  • Jordan jokes that VGC “only reviews good games,” poking fun at the hype cycles and fan attachment to anticipated games.
  • Quote (Jordan Midler, 05:33):
    “If I give something less than a six, I’m told I’m taking food off the developers’ table. I get it, people get attached—but the reaction is somewhat ridiculous.”

2. How Review Culture & Community Reaction Have Shifted

• Then vs. Now (06:48 – 07:09)

  • Greg emphasizes how, in pre-social media days, review backlash was mostly limited to forums and specific communities, but now criticism "chases you everywhere."
  • The team notes that social platforms (X/Twitter, Reddit) amplify and sustain controversies—often boiling nuanced takes down to memes or out-of-context numbers.

• Matching Reviewer Tastes (08:01 – 08:09)

  • Today’s audience often seeks reviewers who match their tastes (“I know that I never agree with Craig, so maybe I'd like it”), reinforcing the importance of knowing the reviewer’s perspective.

3. Famous Divisive Reviews: Stories & Behind-the-Scenes

a) God Hand (IGN's 3/10 Score)

• IGN’s Chris Roper gave God Hand a 3/10 in 2006 despite a now-legendary cult following and a 7x Metacritic.
• Memorable quote (Chris Roper’s review, 10:00):
  “God Hand quickly becomes a boring, annoying, and frustrating game … Why did no one see the joke didn’t have a real punch at any point?”
• Greg clarifies he joined IGN after this, noting back then reviewers weren’t perpetually haunted by the responses like they are now.

b) Lair (Greg’s 4.9 on PS3’s Big Hope)

• Factor 5’s Lair, positioned as a Sixaxis showcase, bombed both critically and with fans—Greg gave it 4.9 and faced backlash from the PlayStation community and even PlayStation PR.
• Quote (Greg Miller, 13:21):
  “You might think I'm being too hard on Lair, but if you do, you clearly haven't played this game.”
• Anecdotes: Devs reportedly bristled at Greg’s comments; PlayStation scrambled with rushed lore booklets (complete with filler text!).

c) Gran Turismo 7 (VGC's 3/5)

• Jordan’s 3/5 review for GT7 prompted hate from the car game fandom, despite a “good” rating by VGC metrics, due to Metacritic translation and perceived disrespect to the series' legacy.
• Quote (Jordan Midler, 18:35):
  “I spent a week being told by car perverts I had no business reviewing a car game.”

d) Uncharted 3 (IGN's 10/10 by Greg)

• Greg’s only 10/10 at IGN (Uncharted 3) became controversial because Uncharted 2 didn’t get a 10, leading to claims of platform favoritism and being "too easy" on PlayStation exclusives.
• Quote (Greg Miller, 23:08):
  “Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception is the reason I play video games … a masterpiece.”
• Note: Greg stands by this review, acknowledging it gave ammunition to accusations of bias.

e) Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire (“Too Much Water”)

• Kelly Pleggy’s 7.8 IGN review infamous for the “Too Much Water” bullet point (not actually in the review proper), becoming a long-lasting meme and, for some, a stick for dismissing critical voices, especially women.
• Quote (Jordan Midler, 30:34):
  “First of all, she didn’t put that in the review. Second, it’s absolutely correct … It’s the most unfairly abused review in history.”

f) Driver 3 / “Drivergate” (UK Press Scandal)

• In the UK, two magazines gave Driver 3 a 9/10 while others scored it much lower, leading to accusations of PR interference and forum comment deletions.
• Worth the YouTube research for “early 2000s UK video game magazine drama.”

4. The Human Side of Criticism & Reviewer Resilience

• Dealing with Backlash:

  • Jordan and Greg reflect on "learning to let it go" and joke about seeking solace with partners who just don't understand why any of this matters (27:20).

• Quote (Greg Miller, 27:42): “You know, there can be the hundred positive comments, but the one negative is the one that … you know what I mean?”

• Reviewers have developed thicker skins, increasingly opting not to engage trolls and emphasizing the importance of setting boundaries online.

5. More Infamous Controversies Recalled

• Alien Isolation (IGN’s 5.9 by McCaffrey) (43:07)

  • Became a rallying point for fans who loved the game; Greg and Andy defend the review’s points about pacing and runtime, despite divisive reception.

• Mario Kart: Double Dash (IGN’s 7.9)

  • Fran’s mid-range score is now owned as a meme; the team notes how owning the “hated” numbers has become part of gaming culture.

• Dragon Age: Veilguard

  • Reviewers praised it as “the return of BioWare,” while others tore it down for dialogue and departure from series traditions—hosts explore how franchise legacy can skew expectations.

• Metroid Prime 4 (Giant Bomb's 10/10)

  • Any game commentary in Giant Bomb’s community now gets compared to “not as good as Metroid Prime 4,” even jovially, illustrating how one polarizing score can cast a long shadow.

6. Modern Advice for Consuming Game Criticism

• Barrett (57:06): “Find reviewers with tastes similar to yours and weigh those more heavily.”

• Streamers, diverse voices, and reviewer transparency all help audiences find perspectives that resonate more than raw numbers.

• Barrett’s Tweet (58:14): “Enjoy art, talk about what works for you and what doesn’t … Don’t let numbers control how you consume art. Cs get degrees, baby!”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Review Scores and Fan Attachments

  • “If I give something less than a six, I’m told I’m taking the food off the table of these developers.” (Jordan, 05:33)

• On Dealing with Outrage

  • “It used to be fun to go in and talk to people … then trolls flooded the platforms. Nowadays I look at it like: I said my piece in the hour-long piece of content. Maybe you’re misrepresenting it, maybe you’re not.” (Greg, 21:47)

• The 'Too Much Water' Meme

  • “It’s the most unfairly abused review in history. … I don’t think it’s fair that Pokémon social media posted the Too Much Water thing.” (Jordan, 30:34)

• On Lamenting Long Games

  • “I don’t sit there and go ‘oh, this game’s gotta be fucking…’ Even Crimson Desert, I wasn’t like, ‘oh it’s gotta be this long,’ I was like, ‘oh, it’s gotta be this uninteresting to play.’” (Greg, 49:28)

• General Takeaway

  • “Enjoy art, talk about what works for you and what doesn’t with your friends. Don’t let numbers be a fixation.” (Barrett, 57:36)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Crimson Desert's Reception & Meta-Controversies: 04:13 – 07:09
• Review Backlash Memories: God Hand, Lair, Gran Turismo 7: 09:04 – 20:23
• Uncharted 3’s 10/10 and Reviewer Bias Accusations: 22:43 – 25:09
• Pokémon “Too Much Water” and Internet Meme-ification: 30:34 – 32:43
• Alien Isolation & the “Wrong” Reviews: 43:07 – 44:49
• Modern Critique: Matching Reviewer Taste and Review Value: 57:02 – 58:14

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Closing Thoughts

The episode spotlights how divisive reviews have always been part of gaming, but the culture has transformed with social media, live content, and memeification. The hosts champion finding the reviewer whose tastes align with yours, using aggregate scores judiciously, and not letting numbers override personal curiosity and enjoyment. The show closes with reminders to use constructive discourse, and a hearty embrace of gaming’s rich, messy, and passionate culture of debate.

Final Words:
“Until next time, it’s been our pleasure to serve you.” – Greg & Andy

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Transcript

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Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games

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cast for Thursday, March 19, 2026.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm one of your hosts, Greg Miller,

[Greg Miller]

alongside the big from V G C News, it's Jordan Midler.

[Jordan Midler]

Hello. Procopia Review Part two. So now that you've. No, no, no.

[Andy Cortez]

The Internet has moved on.

[Greg Miller]

We've moved on from how many hours

[Andy Cortez]

into Pocopia are you right now, Jordan?

[Jordan Midler]

So we've now paused. We're on xd Gale of Darkness and Nintendo gamecube Classic. But I think the last time I checked it was 210, so.

[Andy Cortez]

210. God dang.

[Jordan Midler]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

Now, how are you?

[Jordan Midler]

I've got a ways to go before I get to my Legends za, which was 4:15 at last. Check.

[Greg Miller]

Jesus Christ.

[Jordan Midler]

We got there.

[Greg Miller]

Jesus. How's Gale of Darkness going? I saw you, of course, over on bs.

[Andy Cortez]

That's Blue Sky Tim.

[Greg Miller]

Talking about this is the whole reason

[Andy Cortez]

you bought the goddamn GameCube controller for the Switch 2?

[Jordan Midler]

Well, I mean, the GameCube Pokemon games are super weird. For a long time the Pokemon company didn't really acknowledge them because they didn't make them. It was a company called Genius Sonority. But they're, they're great fun. They have aged interestingly. But if you have. If you have the absolute rip off expansion pack and you want those GameCube games, go ahead and get it right now.

[Greg Miller]

I do have it.

[Andy Cortez]

I haven't had the time to start, obviously. There's been a million things going on, so I'm excited to dive in eventually because yes, I have a GameCube controller as well that I don't use for anything, so the idea of jumping in here and trying this out sounds pretty exciting to me.

[Greg Miller]

But Jordan, I only have you for

[Andy Cortez]

30 minutes before you have to run. You of course were nice enough to jump on this with me. Don't worry, I won't end the gamescast in 30 minutes everybody.

[Greg Miller]

I will hang out because we're gonna be talking about the most divisive video

[Andy Cortez]

game reviews of all time.

[Greg Miller]

Because this is the kind of funny gamescast. Each and every weekday we run you

[Andy Cortez]

through the biggest topics in video games,

[Greg Miller]

whether they be reviews, previews or just things we need to talk about. If you wanna talk to me and Jordan about maybe, hey, what do you think the most divisive video game reviews

[Andy Cortez]

of all time are? Go to YouTube.com kindafunnygames where you can

[Greg Miller]

super chat to be part of the show. Of course, thank you to our Patreon producers, Karl Jacobs, Omega Buster Delaney, the Som Twining. They'll be getting the show ad free. Get their daily dose of me, Greg Miller and support an 11 person small business. And hey, I got a phone number

[Andy Cortez]

on my screen if you aren't looking at it.

[Greg Miller]

It's 415-343-5034. Tomorrow we're doing a voicemail episode of

[Andy Cortez]

the Kinda Funny Games Cast because it's now Life After Crimson Desert. Go to this one and listen to me tell you what I need from you. But remember, as I say in the

[Greg Miller]

thing, you'll hear 30 to 60 seconds. If it's over 60 seconds, I delete it without listening. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be topic of the show. Jordan Yo. The Internet is aflame of course. Crimson Desert Review embargo lifted at 3 o' clock yesterday. Of course you can go catch the

[Andy Cortez]

kind of funny gamescast about it where

[Greg Miller]

myself, Paris and Andy chop it up with some input from a sick Blessing. Adio Ye Junior. Of course today 3 o' clock we can start streaming it. We're doing a gamescast plays then we're starting a marathon stream with Andy who will play for as long as you make him play for it. But of course Crimson Desert has been hurtling towards this release date for a while. The game that does it all the game people thought was too good to be true and depending on who you talk to Maybe it is the Metacritic of course, a 78 right now. Friend of the show Paul Tassi at

[Andy Cortez]

Forbes giving it a 9.5.

[Greg Miller]

Greg Miller, who you're listening to talk about it in his 20 hours of

[Andy Cortez]

playing it and not enjoying it, giving it a 5.5, calling it mediocre.

[Greg Miller]

There are any color of the rainbow

[Andy Cortez]

reviews out there for you to go and be like, I agree with this and I'm gonna murder whoever wrote this or said that.

[Greg Miller]

However, it hasn't stopped the world from turning. Even though as VGC News reports, Crimson Desert Studio Pearl Abuse sees share price

[Andy Cortez]

plummet by nearly 30% after the first reviews arrive.

[Greg Miller]

I think it's going to be okay.

[Andy Cortez]

I appreciated blessings. Talk today in a pizza bet on

[Greg Miller]

what the sales will be, but big man Jordan Midler. So just because you can't capture some little creature, make it do as you're bidding, you're not reviewing this? Nobody at VGC was on top of this one.

[Jordan Midler]

No, we weren't. And we only review good games. I think it's very funny that all of a sudden I'm seeing 7.8. That's a great score. What is anyone worrying about? If I give something less than a six out of five, I'm told that I'm taking the food off the table of these developers. Look, I understand when I was a fan and on the other side I got very, very invested in games before they came out. And there is a personal attachment that you can, you can make to something you've pre ordered and spent a lot of money on.

[Greg Miller]

Anticipated for seven years.

[Jordan Midler]

Yes, exactly. But I think as per usual, the reaction has been somewhat ridiculous. It's also weird to me because there were a lot of positive reviews. Like if you wanted to find the review that matched your bias, you absolutely could. I think people get really hung up on when IGN who haven't put out a final review. To be absolutely clear, they have a little kind of graphic saying if we had to score it now. And I think that's a separate problem. The kind of like Twitter image ification of all reviews or just here's a number or and God love them because they always include vgc. And I appreciate that. I think those tweets that it's just like here's all the review scores. Very unhelpful for reviews in general.

[Greg Miller]

Right?

[Jordan Midler]

But yeah, I think that the reaction is not surprising. We've been through this many, many times. But for some players, this is their first cyberpunk reviews. This is their first big disappointment from from a Review period from a game. So God love them. Just I don't think it's ever that serious.

[Andy Cortez]

Of course not. And I think, you know, that's always my favorite thing.

[Greg Miller]

I love a game that comes out and gets these scores. I think it's so fucking boring when

[Andy Cortez]

a game comes out and everybody's like, 7, 7.5. We're all right there. That's what it is. Congratulations. The fact that you can get a Crimson desert right now and have people be like, I put 100 hours in and I hate my life. Or I put 100 hours in and this is the best thing I've ever played.

[Greg Miller]

Like, that's art. That is fascinating. And that's where it comes back to. I think of. I always talk about in these shows how lucky we all are to be

[Andy Cortez]

living and playing games right now because,

[Greg Miller]

you know, the reviewer on such a

[Andy Cortez]

different level than I did in high school in the, you know, the St. Francis computer lab, clicking on and be

[Greg Miller]

like, well, IGN gave it this and

[Andy Cortez]

not realizing there's going to be a difference between Mary Jane and there's going

[Greg Miller]

to be a difference between Doug Perry

[Andy Cortez]

and there's going to be a difference between Kaik Harris.

[Greg Miller]

Like, there's such a vibe here of

[Andy Cortez]

you can come in and be like, oh, I know that I never agree with Craig on anything, so maybe I'd like it.

[Greg Miller]

Or being like, oh, I like a

[Andy Cortez]

game that Paris usually likes. So this is a weird juxtaposition on

[Greg Miller]

where I'll be, but I think it really did kick the beehive into a conversation of we were prepared for the record cards on the table.

[Andy Cortez]

Is kind of funny.

[Greg Miller]

Did the original headline we had for this one was when we were reviewing it and we were all like, damn,

[Andy Cortez]

I just don't want to play this game anymore.

[Greg Miller]

We had prep the headline were we

[Andy Cortez]

wrong about Crimson Desert?

[Greg Miller]

Totally prepared that it would be.

[Andy Cortez]

Everybody else is saying a nine and me, Paris bless. Are all like, now I just don't want to play this game.

[Greg Miller]

So I thought the easy pivot here would be to talk about divisive reviews. The reviews that come out. And there is a smattering of opinion on of course, Jordan, you know, I've

[Andy Cortez]

been doing this a long time.

[Greg Miller]

You were a wee little lad when you started listening to Greg Miller talk

[Andy Cortez]

about video games or read Greg Miller. But now you've been doing it so

[Greg Miller]

long, I thought I could think of

[Andy Cortez]

nobody better to come in and talk about the biggest video game review fights you've ever seen on the Internet.

[Greg Miller]

Because I think we've been a part of them. So Jordan, start off. Where do you want to go?

[Jordan Midler]

So when I first started and you just mentioned it there, the genesis of the kind of Internet culture of knowing who the viewers are personally was finding like the IGN podcasts and stuff like that, who was part of the IGN podcast and that absolute charlatan Chris Roper giving God hand famously 3 out of 10. When I googled this, when I knew this was the topic, every single list included God Hand. The kind of the sevens. I want to know from your perspective, what was that like then and how does the reaction to Chris's review back then when it was more of like an on site comment style and freak out rather than a social media freak out, how does that compare and contrast?

[Greg Miller]

So I wasn't there when Roper gave

[Andy Cortez]

God hand on PlayStation 2 a 3 out of 10. If you're unfamiliar, yeah, God Hand a metacritic right now of 7.

[Greg Miller]

Roper gave it a 3 out of 10.

[Andy Cortez]

One of his final graph.

[Greg Miller]

His final verdict graph was the bottom line is that God Hand quickly becomes

[Andy Cortez]

a boring, annoying and frustrating game.

[Greg Miller]

Why should you be forced to try and complete a level with no starting health when you have no hope of survival and will just need to reload a minute later? What's fun in fighting the same annoying demon creatures over and over again when the fight was old the second time you tried it? Why, oh why did Clover Studio put so much money into such a risky joke? And why did no one see that the joke didn't have a real punch

[Andy Cortez]

at any point in development?

[Greg Miller]

Here's a better joke for free. What's green and has wheels? Grass? I lied about the wheels and it's like, I think even there you want to talk about like just Roper just

[Andy Cortez]

punctuating his point and really going after it.

[Greg Miller]

Like I when did God Hand come out?

[Andy Cortez]

Because IGN does the whole thing now where they do the I go to the review to read it for you

[Greg Miller]

and it's like, oh well, guess what,

[Andy Cortez]

here's it was updated in 2012. Like that's not when it came up.

[Greg Miller]

God Hands original release date here on PlayStation 2006 was it 2006? Yeah. So it was like the release date September 14th, 2006. So if you're you, your history books remember Everybody. I started IGN in 2007, so I

[Andy Cortez]

come in March 1st is my official day, but I came in in February. And so legitimately, yeah, I want to say one of the first introductions of Roper to me was either and I forget the timeline on this, it was he's the guy.

[Greg Miller]

Here's Chris Roper. He gave God hand a 3 out of 10. Or it was here's Chris Roper.

[Andy Cortez]

He closed Clover Studio because it was

[Greg Miller]

that level of it.

[Andy Cortez]

Even if you Google right now, God

[Greg Miller]

Hand then quotes Chris Roper, right? It's the review followed by a kind of funny subreddit. Don't forget the Roper Report is named for the IGN guy that gave God him to 3 out of 10 followed

[Andy Cortez]

by a GameFAQs post. God hand Chris Roper's blog rants where

[Greg Miller]

they're just like it was such a. A different time of working there. And I mean like in 2006, let alone when I start in 2007. Remember, IGN doesn't even have comments on articles. Like we would post an article, a review or whatever and then it was part of our job to go to the IGN boards and put it up there so people could come and rant

[Andy Cortez]

and rave about that.

[Greg Miller]

And so it was a joke. It was something that was said, but it wasn't something that chase you on the daily as I'm sure when we start getting into my skeletons in my review closet of oh well, Greg didn't like this. Greg didn't do that great. But like I see that in the

[Andy Cortez]

chat every day whenever I say anything.

[Greg Miller]

Whereas I think back then it was such a. Okay, yeah, this is a. Haha. This is when I. Because when did Clover Studio Clover Studio closes Clover studio died in 2006. No, March 2007. So yeah, it was. Was it Roberts fault or was it the game's faul?

[Andy Cortez]

Who's. Who's to say?

[Greg Miller]

But yeah, how does. Let me.

[Andy Cortez]

I want to see.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah. Capcom shut down Clover studio in late 2006 after a whole bunch of people left or whatever. So they're not even citing IG in there, which is nice. I'm looking back to see if they're the paragraph before, but it is that idea of these things legitimately chasing you. I'll toss mine out since we're here doing it right. Lair PlayStation 3 exclusive Lair by Factor 5, which of course I gave a

[Andy Cortez]

4.9, which really quickly people went with their rudimentary Photoshop and said factor 4.9, renaming the studio after that. My closing on that one was and

[Greg Miller]

by the way, the Lair Metacritic 53. But we'll get to that in a second. You might think I'm being too hard on Lair, but if you do, you clearly haven't played this game. Although there are levels with wide open environments and spread out objectives. I'm sorry, levels where wide open environments and spread out objectives trick you into thinking the six axis stuff isn't that bad. Whenever a handful of enemies are on screen, you. Your flight space becomes limited and you need to be precise.

[Andy Cortez]

The game falls apart.

[Greg Miller]

At one point, Lair looked like one of the most promising titles coming to the PlayStation 3. But the final version, even with its interesting story, occasionally impressive graphics and amazing score, falls well short of anything.

[Andy Cortez]

You should be playing

[Greg Miller]

the story. I would always tell you because if

[Andy Cortez]

you're young, you don't remember me reviewing Lair, which again was a PlayStation 3 game, depended on 6 access. And it was the one like, that is why they pushed this game of like, this is one of those. Like, this is why six Access works. This is one of the places this will be the PlayStation 3 exclusive you care about. And again, this is September 4, 2007, so you're doing your math there.

[Greg Miller]

I've only worked at IG in six

[Andy Cortez]

months, so it was very easy for

[Greg Miller]

everybody to be number one.

[Andy Cortez]

This kid doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Greg Miller]

But more importantly, this was a different

[Andy Cortez]

age, this was a different time when

[Greg Miller]

IGN would approach PlayStation and every other

[Andy Cortez]

company under the sun, for the record, and be like, hey, can we get the exclusive review? Basically, can we get the Game Informer cover story? Hey, can we have the exclusive review? And so PlayStation gave us the Lair exclusive review, meaning that they had no idea what we thought of it, no

[Greg Miller]

idea what I was going to write.

[Andy Cortez]

And I came out, I don't know, a day or two days before any other review. I was like, it's dog shit. And it was, it was a conversation with PlayStation after the fact. I remember that wasn't we're mad at

[Greg Miller]

you or anything like that, but hey, it was like.

[Andy Cortez]

Because it was like some junior PR person. It was like the head of the

[Greg Miller]

company being like, so if we ever

[Andy Cortez]

give you exclusive again, can you only run it exclusively if you like it?

[Greg Miller]

We're not saying we're influencing the score,

[Andy Cortez]

but like, yo, don't come out and be like this game's garbage and then have everything go to hell.

[Greg Miller]

Because I did. And this is another great example, you know, we're talking about Roper and what it was like. This was comments for sure on the boards, but there was no social media

[Andy Cortez]

for it to chase me on.

[Greg Miller]

So maybe it would be a letter written to the game Scoop, but it was usually on some forum I would

[Andy Cortez]

see people talking shit about me and

[Greg Miller]

it was I forget the name of the Dylan egg Bright Egg Brick the dev. I remember and I remember someone at

[Andy Cortez]

GDC that was a fan was a dev went to the booth and they were showing it.

[Greg Miller]

He's like oh, I remember this game.

[Andy Cortez]

Greg Miller hates it. And the guy's face dropped and he was like so fucking pissed off.

[Greg Miller]

And they eventually patched in normal controls thing but it was a whole thing.

[Jordan Midler]

Jordan I want to steal a story from Krusgalion or Andy Robinson. When they used to work in the magazine days all of the different platform magazines would be on the same floor of their offices. So when a game would come in everyone would pile around and watch them play this game. And when the PlayStation magazine got Lair they played it for five minutes, it stopped working and then someone turned to the crowd and went layer and started using that for months. And that is all think about. I think about your review. I think about factor 4.9 and I think about later that was such a. As someone that was in the trenches back then it was difficult to be a PlayStation fanboy who an even king of the PlayStation fanboys 2007 Greg Mellor was killing Kellen. Everything we hoped and dreamed for. But I mean your other. I wouldn't say most famous.

[Andy Cortez]

Let me give you more a couple more layer stories because I still got them. Oh yeah, I still got them.

[Jordan Midler]

That's just the layer I work throughout the rest of the.

[Greg Miller]

Because I don't get to talk about a layer all that often or whatever. Right. My favorite comment from a fan was in the review I called out how

[Andy Cortez]

unresponsive the six axis controls were to fly the dragon and someone legitimately with

[Greg Miller]

their full fucking chest was hey, it's a dragon.

[Andy Cortez]

Of course it's not going to listen to you.

[Greg Miller]

Which of course would later I'd be

[Andy Cortez]

a last Guardian argument when people are annoyed by that.

[Greg Miller]

Hey, it's not going to.

[Andy Cortez]

It's not meant to listen to you, you idiot.

[Greg Miller]

Blah blah blah. And then the flip of it was PlayStation at the time went into such

[Andy Cortez]

damage control about it that they sent. There was enough time that they went and threw.

[Greg Miller]

Must have been an all nighter put

[Andy Cortez]

together this beautifully like you know, insert

[Greg Miller]

book with color pages that they sent

[Andy Cortez]

to all the reviewers and all the outlets of like hey, here's how to

[Greg Miller]

play Lair and here's all the lore about Lair and yada yada yada. And it was thrown together so quickly

[Andy Cortez]

that one of the bios either for

[Greg Miller]

the town or the person or the

[Andy Cortez]

dragon itself was the Lipsum Lipsum, lipsum, lipsum. Like, they didn't even fill in the text. They just had to get it out the door so quickly.

[Greg Miller]

Sorry, you want to keep pivoting?

[Jordan Midler]

No, no, I was just gonna say like the. Those kind of reactions. I get them occasionally now. Like when we were filling out this document, the one that I thought of and it's another. It's another first party PlayStation game. I don't know if that's connected. You can draw your own conclusions. Was for Gran Turismo 7 when I gave Gran Turismo 7 three out of five on the VGC scale, which is a good game. Unfortunately, that translates to a Metacritic 60, which is the lowest Gran Turismo 7 review by some distance.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Jordan Midler]

So I spent a nice week being told by largely car perverts that I didn't know what I was talking about. And I had no business reviewing a car game. And I was like, if you read the review, I pointed out that the car part of Gran Turismo 7 is exemplary. The terrible parts are when you are forced to sit in a cafe for half an hour to learn the history of the hot hatchback and when the studio decides that what this car game and he did more of was less driving and more historical epics about the steering wheel. So that was a. That was also when I was a bit younger and a bit bitier. So I was arguing with them on Twitter for a long time and that's never the way to go nowadays. If I say, if I say something, I just ignore them. I'm not on Twitter anymore anyway. But if they ever come to Blue Sky, I just ignore them. Because it's very difficult to get the last word when you are reigning yourself in. When I know that other person can say anything and absolutely end me. Whereas I can't come back as hard as I want to come back. Public profile company, I'm representing things like that. So I just let it slide on by. It was even when I worked for the BBC and they were posting their stuff on all of their public Facebook pages to like 50 million followers and stuff like that. It was so much worse. But I think because the BBC is like our public service broadcaster, the people commenting on those videos just thought, oh, he's a guy on the television, he doesn't worry about this, he doesn't see all of it. Meanwhile, like 22 year old me is going through all of them and like reporting the comments that were horrible about me. I was like, man, really? And my feelings back then, now I just, I just don't care. I'm just holding on to this Zed Lust microfame until it all blows up.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, that's the way to do it. You've heard the story a million times

[Andy Cortez]

where I, you know, woke up literally in the middle of writing a mean tweet about the office. And I was like, wait, I'm acting like they wouldn't ever see this, but I see the tweets about me and they make me mad. Why would I, like, I won't do that. I won't be a part of that.

[Greg Miller]

And it's the same thing of the

[Andy Cortez]

argument, right, where, you know, I saw things on this kind of funny subreddit today of like, Andy trying to defend overall game critics to somebody who was

[Greg Miller]

being meat or whatever, and it's like,

[Andy Cortez]

there's no way to win that argument. I used to do the exact same thing.

[Greg Miller]

It used to be.

[Andy Cortez]

I remember, you know, long before he worked at ign, Mitch Dyer was a freelancer in the video game world.

[Greg Miller]

And he wrote an article for some

[Andy Cortez]

site that was like, the video game personalities you should be following on Twitter.

[Greg Miller]

And he put me in there and

[Andy Cortez]

he's like, one of the reasons he put me in his write up was, if you tweet at Greg, he'll probably respond. Because it used to be like, it used to be fun to go in

[Greg Miller]

and talk to the people who want to talk. But then obviously, as so many trolls

[Andy Cortez]

flooded the platforms and social media in general, so many arguments are in bad faith. When you would go back on them,

[Greg Miller]

I would often get a lot of,

[Andy Cortez]

hey, man, I'm sorry, I'm just having a bad day. It isn't about you or the opposite

[Greg Miller]

of like, no, no, fuck you. Triple down on it. And it's like, all right, so it's never get off your horse to wrestle a pig. Because they, the only way they, they

[Andy Cortez]

just want to get you muddy. They don't care. They're already muddy.

[Greg Miller]

They're not. It's like you're going to pull them

[Andy Cortez]

out of this and make them understand what's happening. And so nowadays I look at it where so many people come at me, maybe in a comment, maybe in or whatever, and want to fight something I said in the review.

[Greg Miller]

And I'm always very much like I said my piece in the hour long

[Andy Cortez]

piece of content you can watch, maybe you're misrepresenting it, maybe you're not.

[Greg Miller]

But this is also your forum to say that. But it also is an odor response

[Andy Cortez]

because I said what I needed to say. And if I have more than follow up on it somewhere else. But I got a life to go.

[Jordan Midler]

Yeah. And I tend to agree, like, what is your. What? You're in a weird position where you've had backlashes to extremely positive reviews as well. Whereas I feel like I've yet to get one of those because I feel like a massively positive review is kind of seen as quite boring these days because a lot of reviews have kind of power crept up towards the higher end of the scale, which is like a different conversation and has kind of its own problems. But you put your Uncharted review in this document. I didn't even remember that was a controversy because I just remember reading the review and thinking, thank God, it's brilliant. I'll just go and play it and listen to the podcast. I don't remember the backlash. If you could regale me with that.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

So me and Jordan put together a doc and started throwing things on here. I put Uncharted 3 Drake's Deception on here, which Metacritic of 92. I gave it a 10 out of 10 at IGN and I want to

[Greg Miller]

say it's my only 10 out of 10.

[Andy Cortez]

I gave it IGN. I should have done Peace Walker. I regret not doing Peace Walker, but I got in my head about it. My closing verdict on it was uncharted 3 Drake's deception. Or this actually my opening. I changed it up this morning when I put it together.

[Greg Miller]

Uncharted 3 Drake's deception is the reason

[Andy Cortez]

I play video games.

[Greg Miller]

From the smile plastered on my face

[Andy Cortez]

during the opening montage to the disbelief

[Greg Miller]

that swept over me as Chapter two began to the middle of the night

[Andy Cortez]

text message I shot a friend about our relationship reveal.

[Greg Miller]

I couldn't stop loving this touching, beautiful,

[Andy Cortez]

fun and engaging game.

[Greg Miller]

From the moment the music swells on the title screen to the moment the

[Andy Cortez]

Credits rolled, Uncharted 3 is a masterpiece.

[Greg Miller]

Can I get the one? The problem with my Uncharted 3 reviews?

[Andy Cortez]

And I'll tell you right now, I got no beef with Chris Roper about God Hand. I got beef with Chris Roper about Uncharted 2.

[Greg Miller]

All right.

[Andy Cortez]

Chris Roper should have given Uncharted 2 a 10. Then there wouldn't be an argument.

[Greg Miller]

Cause it wasn't so much, I think, that I loved Uncharted 3, Jordan. It was the fact that so many

[Andy Cortez]

people loved Uncharted 2. And so it was this.

[Greg Miller]

By me giving it a 10. People are like, this is head and

[Andy Cortez]

shoulders above uncharted 2. Thank you, IGN. And then they got it and they were like, what the fuck are you smoking? Ign.

[Greg Miller]

This wasn't better. And I was like, I never said that. I reviewed Uncharted 1 because Roper was on paternity leave. Then he came back, he got to do Uncharted 2. Then I got Uncharted 3.

[Andy Cortez]

What do you want me to do about that?

[Greg Miller]

I can't help you. And so, like, for me, it's the.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, to your point.

[Greg Miller]

The opposite of, you know, when you're

[Andy Cortez]

negative on a review, people want to love.

[Greg Miller]

I was positive on a game people wanted to be positive about. But this was, I think, for.

[Andy Cortez]

And I'm probably in my own head about it.

[Greg Miller]

We all have our own fictions we write about ourselves. But I feel like this is.

[Andy Cortez]

And I stand by the review.

[Greg Miller]

I love Uncharted 3.

[Andy Cortez]

I feel like this is when I gave ammunition to all the people who say, oh, well, Greg's a Sony pony.

[Greg Miller]

You can't trust Greg Miller. He's on Beyond. He's at psx. He's doing this. Da, da, da. And I also think so many people

[Andy Cortez]

point to it as like, oh, well, Greg's easy on games. I think now is what it would be. But back in the day, he's easy on PlayStation. First party.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, my God.

[Andy Cortez]

Da, da, da, da, da. And I think that was why it's there. Like, when this is brought up, it's that I was wrong about Uncharted 3 because it wasn't a 10 because of the shipyard combat sequence, which, yes, it does not, I did not enjoy at the time.

[Greg Miller]

But again, this is, I think nowadays

[Andy Cortez]

with all the podcasts and all the

[Greg Miller]

videos and all the things, and especially

[Andy Cortez]

ign when they do not only the video review, but then the review discussions

[Greg Miller]

that I love so much.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, you know, you're talking about Travis doing his review in progress right now on Crimson Desert. The fact that right at the top is him and Tom Marks talking about,

[Greg Miller]

hey, you've played this much. Let's have a conversation. I love that stuff. But back in the day, 10 out

[Andy Cortez]

of 10 at IGN meant perfect, which

[Greg Miller]

of course is complete bullshit.

[Andy Cortez]

I think this is the same year then we go and give the Zelda game that used the waggle that Everybody hated, a 10 out of 10 to skyward sword.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, right. Like, I think that's the same year. Maybe I'm wrong. No, fuck, it doesn't matter. I'm my time.

[Barrett]

2011 sounds right.

[Greg Miller]

Does it? Okay, because I remember. Maybe I'm wrong and it doesn't matter, because I remember Cass Messina, when he

[Andy Cortez]

saw this was like, maybe I should

[Greg Miller]

have given the last sale. And I. But then it was Rich George who gave Time's a flat circle. But it was at the time that,

[Andy Cortez]

like, this minute was perfect. And clearly no video games perfect. There's gonna be something for everybody. But this is one that it was always. Is always thrown in my face. Always thrown in my face. Like, don't listen to greg. He liked Uncharted 3.

[Jordan Midler]

Yeah, it's a weird one. I think the audience and I sort of subscribed to this when I was a bit newer in my career when you really slam a big game. Like, I remember giving one of the Far Cry games. It was either two or three stars. It was like the lowest review. And I fully stand behind it. But I absolutely detest the opinion that's like, okay, now this is the real review. This guy's not paid off. He's the one that's telling us the actual truth. He's shooting here. But then when I gave Starfield five stars, a game that I think is excellent. Are you into Starfield, Greg?

[Andy Cortez]

You know, they sold me on it with these Lattice, these last updates. I might try it. I might try it.

[Jordan Midler]

I mean, now that it's coming to PlayStation, you can finally play it.

[Andy Cortez]

Exactly.

[Jordan Midler]

I know right when that happened. And people are like, oh, you're such an Xbox fanboy. You're such a Microsoft fanboy. And it's like, mate, the Microsoft profile picture, people DM'd me abuse for about a year after I said something totally innocuous on Twitter. So I've learned you can never win. It helps to share these stories with my wonderful partner who just look at me with this look of like, why does any of this matter?

[Greg Miller]

And you still have a job and

[Andy Cortez]

you still got paid and you still enjoy doing your job, so why are we worried about this?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, but I think it's like, I'm

[Jordan Midler]

talking to her about this while I'm saying, oh, yeah, next week, I'm like, reviewing this or going this, and she's like, yeah, maybe. Maybe lay off the. The Twitter heroin for a while.

[Greg Miller]

But it's like, so you know how all this works. And I'm sure the audience knows too. But it's like, you know, there can be the hundred positive comments, but the

[Andy Cortez]

one negative is the one that, like. And you know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

And like, yesterday, coming into Crimson Desert, like, I want everyone to know how much. And this has nothing to do with the game, but how much I was

[Andy Cortez]

putting on the armor for that review. Like, I knew this is Gonna be bad. This is gonna be this.

[Greg Miller]

It's that thing where it's like, I hated that. I am still, still. I am still so IGN coded.

[Andy Cortez]

And not only IGN coded, I would

[Greg Miller]

say I am 2007. This is where I learned what I'm

[Andy Cortez]

doing and how I'm doing it. Coded.

[Greg Miller]

So like, to show up and do a review, even if it says so far, Even if it's 20 plus hours

[Andy Cortez]

of playing, I didn't roll credits. And I don't like that. I don't like that feeling. But like the night before when I

[Greg Miller]

was hemming and hauling about it with

[Andy Cortez]

Jen, I was like, yeah, you know, I've done 20 hours, but I haven't rolled credits. And I'm like, but, you know, I don't want to play it at home. I refuse to play it at home because I don't enjoy it. And of course, like, as soon as this is done, I'm uninstalling it.

[Greg Miller]

And she was like, well, don't forget

[Andy Cortez]

that says all you need to say, like.

[Greg Miller]

And it's like that thing of like, you're right. Like, I. We aren't trying to be the bolt, the stalwart of video game reviews. We aren't trying to be like, we're here to present what we did, how we played it, why we played it,

[Andy Cortez]

and how much we played it, and then give you an opinion and then you go about your day.

[Greg Miller]

And so it's like, I got to remember that.

[Andy Cortez]

But I still carry the ign. You are ign. You're representing this bigger thing, bigger than

[Greg Miller]

you of what it is. And so, yeah, it's like all of

[Andy Cortez]

the reactions, positive and negative, were so expected. And even this morning, now the thing of the defenders of Listen, man, I

[Greg Miller]

put in hundreds of hours. I was at the review event and I saw press struggle with it and they're just inventing scenario. And like, people are trying to apply that to our review.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm like, I didn't say anything about the combat.

[Greg Miller]

I thought the. I like, I liked hitting a boss and be like, oh fuck, I can't fight you.

[Andy Cortez]

I'll be back later. And maybe I never was because I don't enjoy the overall game. Not that one part of it.

[Jordan Midler]

Yeah. I just like to say for the record that I am better at video games than 99.9% of the audience. That means about video game reviews and that that fractional percentage. Actually just tomorrow, Hussein, I completed every boss in shadow of the erdtree before they dumbed it down for you. Absolute freaks. And the audience that couldn't play it. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Before I have to go, I would just like to say that Kelly Plagey's review of Omega Omega, Ribbit and Alpha Sapphire on ign, the famous Too Much Water review. First of all, she didn't put that in the review. Second of all, it is absolutely correct that there is too Much water. It's the most unfairly abused review in history. Those games are fine. They are probably an 8 out of 10 and she gave them a 7.8. It is fine. I don't think it's fair that Too Much Water thing comes up all the time now. I don't think it's fair, frankly, that Pokemon social media posted the Too Much Water thing and I don't think it's fair that.

[Greg Miller]

Do you not think we've gone through the looking glass on it? I think when it happened I was

[Andy Cortez]

so like, shut the fuck up, everybody.

[Greg Miller]

Like you're boiling down a bullet point and making it like you understand what this means, even if you're not going

[Andy Cortez]

to read the review.

[Greg Miller]

But nowadays, like when it comes up, it's just part of meme culture now.

[Jordan Midler]

Yes, on. On the condition that Kelly's okay with it now. Because I think it's not for us to be like, oh, it's just a laugh when it was like such a detrimental thing for her. I don't know her personally. Like, she's got a lot of friends in common of mine. So I, I just think it's. We're never gonna get the. The definitive, like whether or not she's okay with it because she probably never wants to speak about it again. And why possibly would she? But I just, I don't like that when that comes up as like a kind of stick to beat reviews. And I think any of that stuff comes from the company themselves. That just. It left a strange taste in my mouth. Much like Moomoo milk, which you get by milking Miltank and the Pokemon series

[Andy Cortez]

before you run because you have a minute left. You put Driver three on here. I don't remember Driver three.

[Jordan Midler]

This is one for my UK heads. So. In the uk there used to be a lot of unofficial magazines and at the time a lot of those Magazines gave Driver Drift 3R, you may know as like 60s and like terrible reviews. Two magazines gave it a 9 out of 10 and they had the game long before anyone else. And the response to that was the usual, like, who's paid off? Who was getting paid here? And any comments about it on the games Radar plus, which has their full name forums were deleted, got a little bit libelous, and it was soon found out that some of the comments praising the review were traced back to Babel Media, a PR firm in the uk. Was that a coincidence? I don't think I can legally say. I would say there's a lot of good videos about driver gate on YouTube. Go and check them out if you enjoy some early 2000s UK video game magazine drama. And let me tell you Greg, if there's one thing I Love is early 2000s UK Video Game Magazine drama.

[Andy Cortez]

Jordan Midler, you're an absolute peach. I love you so much. Thank you for doing this on a short schedule today.

[Jordan Midler]

I love you too. I can't wait to be sitting in that office in August and jump through that wall like Chris Farley.

[Andy Cortez]

Don't do that. Kevin won't like that.

[Greg Miller]

Please don't do that.

[Jordan Midler]

Please.

[Andy Cortez]

Jordan, you run off. I'll tell everybody else.

[Greg Miller]

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[Greg Miller]

and we're back.

[Andy Cortez]

And guess what chat. It's just you and me. Plus Barrett. Barrett wants to talk a little bit about being on the other side of

[Greg Miller]

the IGN review for that there Omega

[Andy Cortez]

Ruby and Alpha Sapphire because of course we have a super chat from Cuzpano who wrote in about this over on the Patreon quip I put up patreon.com kind of funny. If you're using the app you can

[Greg Miller]

get my quips that are a better form of social media.

[Andy Cortez]

Anon Anon Pants put up gotta be

[Greg Miller]

IGN's Pokemon water review Barrett, you were there. Take away equipment, equip.

[Barrett]

I actually don't know if I was there.

[Greg Miller]

God damn it.

[Andy Cortez]

You set me up wrong.

[Barrett]

No, but I wanted to circle back to the idea of you talking about, like, us being on the other side of the, like, the too much water meme and, you know, sure, IGN and like, Pokemon using it now and trying to, like, own it in a weird way. I personally think my perspective on it is that it's hard to be on the other side of that and try to. To own it, you know, with kind of in the similar vein of what Jordan was saying about, like, how Cali feels about that today and speaking out with that. And then also, like, too much water kind of being used so much for so many years as this weird dog whistle of minimizing a lot of, like, you know, critic voices in the industry, usually typically women as well. So that's where. That's the kind of, like, side that I just wanted to bring up of, like, it. I don't know if we can fully say that we're on the other side of that in. In owning it in that kind of way, but just wanted to bring in that perspective.

[Greg Miller]

No, it's. Sure.

[Andy Cortez]

I mean, you know, this is the thing about perspectives. We all got one, I think, not having any. Like, for me, when too Much water happened, I remember being that and like, okay, why are people flipping out and moving out of my life? And so when it pops up now you talk about a dog whistle to call out critics, like, well, who last 19 years of my life, if it's somebody throwing lair at me or uncharted at me or whatever, something else. Like yesterday.

[Greg Miller]

Remember, everybody, don't listen to Greg. He didn't like Ballers Gate 3.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, I understand it's not the same, but for me it is the same where every day someone tries to fucking check my opinion and tell me why I'm wrong. So for me to see the good guys in IGN or whatever use them, I was like, oh, or Pokemon Co. Like, ah, that's good for them, whatever. But of course, you're right that I'm not Galli. I don't know how you feel about it, but I also wonder at what point the things break out and go further than that. Like even like, you know, one of the ones on here, of course, is Franz. 7.9 for double dash back on GameCube Metacritic of an 87 Franz finale here

[Greg Miller]

on the old review, I expected so much more from. I expected so much more than this ho hum effort. I had hoped for deeper controls, more than one selectable costume, skins for karts, maybe GBA link up support, more intriguing level designs, more characters, much more high quality music.

[Andy Cortez]

The list goes on.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, it's still an enjoyable game, but not on the level it could have been. So think about Double Dash before shelling so think about Double Dash before shelling out your much needed holiday cash. If you've got a ton of friends that are into the title, you stand to enjoy the multiplayer, but even that may get old faster than you'd like. Double Dash is still a good one to add to the library of the

[Andy Cortez]

GC and exclusives, but with battle not

[Greg Miller]

what it used to be, versus racing

[Andy Cortez]

is probably where you'll spend most of your time.

[Greg Miller]

Obviously.

[Andy Cortez]

Totally a normal review I give. When I worked there, that was the first person I ever gave shit for because on the outside loving goddamn Double Dash so much in college, but being the exact audience Fran talked about in that review where it was me and a bunch of my college friends shoved together, that was it. And I guess that's probably my take on it. Of or not take. But my perspective on the Too Much Water angle is that I saw 7.9 become an owned thing too. I think they even sell the shirt or used to sell the shirt that had the review score on it like of owning people being haters and suckers like that.

[Greg Miller]

Because I was a hater and a

[Andy Cortez]

sucker back then and now I'm a hater.

[Greg Miller]

Cool kid.

[Andy Cortez]

Whatever that means.

[Greg Miller]

Like I said over on patreon.com kind

[Andy Cortez]

of funny the equip the in app Patreon social media that I'm trying I

[Greg Miller]

use more for stuff like this and stuff like this. 415-343-5034 we have a bunch in here

[Andy Cortez]

and I this is one again that I vaguely remember. I'll just read it.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, Brent Bird leads with Alien Isolation for sure. Only review to ever put me off a game that years later I finally played and loved. I'm still pissed about that review.

[Andy Cortez]

Zachary says.

[Greg Miller]

IGN's review of Alien Isolation it's come up a few different times there. If you are young and maybe don't recall. Alien Isolation of course came out and

[Andy Cortez]

Ryan McCaffrey reviewed it for the one, the only IGN. Ryan McCaffrey Friend of the show who I love dearly, gave it a 5.9, calling it mediocre.

[Greg Miller]

Alien Isolation erases the memory of colonial Marines, but it's still not the great

[Andy Cortez]

Alien game we were hoping for.

[Greg Miller]

Of course if you were to go

[Andy Cortez]

to Metacritic right now, Alien isolation has a seven, seven, I'm sorry, a 79 on it. And I remember this being a similar thing of this coming out. Yeah, Barnell says, dude, it was an ordeal.

[Greg Miller]

I remember when this popped and people flipped out about it and it was

[Andy Cortez]

maybe similar to what we're getting right now with Crimson Desert. Not anything else, they're just people being mad about it.

[Greg Miller]

But I remember starting in Alien Isolation

[Andy Cortez]

on my own and be like, oh no. Then let alone watching Nick's playthrough of it when he got to the guns.

[Greg Miller]

That was the thing. Alien Isolation is someone who did not finish it.

[Andy Cortez]

Just too goddamn long.

[Greg Miller]

It should have been way shorter.

[Andy Cortez]

It should have not had that. You pick up a gun at the end of it.

[Greg Miller]

It should have just like I'm with

[Andy Cortez]

McCaffrey from reading his review and then playing what I played of it, watching Nick when he streamed it recently, like,

[Greg Miller]

I I'm a ride or die Ryan McCaffrey guy, period. Of course.

[Andy Cortez]

But like I accept that we don't like the same kind of games, but this is one that I read enough,

[Greg Miller]

played enough and watched enough like, yeah,

[Andy Cortez]

no, this ain't for me.

[Barrett]

And it's also weird too that like they, I, I remember that particular review being the focus when that was not one of the only scores that low from prominent sites. That was such a weird one. And yeah, I, I think a lot of people, you know, shout out to the vibes of Alien Isolation, shout out to the first half being really solid. And I think a lot of people forget that game just keeps going, keeps going.

[Greg Miller]

It don't stop there, it keeps going.

[Andy Cortez]

But again, this is what I'm talking about with Jordan and with you audience of like how lucky we are to be where we are. Where I'm like, oh, I know I usually line up with McCaffrey so I'm able to read that be like, ah, it wouldn't work for me, but I understand why it would work for other people.

[Greg Miller]

I want to get some super chats in here. I want to keep going through the Patreon quips. Of course the one says this game

[Andy Cortez]

he's talking about Crimson Desert or I'm

[Greg Miller]

sorry, Crimson Desert feels like Black Myth and Kingdom Come. To Kingdom come.

[Andy Cortez]

Deliverance 2 of this year where the

[Greg Miller]

masses love and support the game so

[Andy Cortez]

much you can't criticize it at all. You that he has crybabies.

[Greg Miller]

I will be interested to see. There was a great discussion between Roger

[Andy Cortez]

and Bless on what this is, how many, how much it's Gonna sell. I'm with Roger. I think it's gonna sell incredibly well.

[Greg Miller]

My interest is once it sells, what

[Andy Cortez]

is the feedback of the audience? I am one of those people who's not conspiracy theory at all, but how

[Greg Miller]

is it gonna run on PlayStation 5's

[Andy Cortez]

base Pros, Xboxes, etc.

[Greg Miller]

But then also to the point of the show earlier and even to the point of people talking about the people

[Andy Cortez]

who want to be trying to dismiss all critics, which I know they're not, they're trying to dismiss the thing they've

[Greg Miller]

said, talking about difficulty or this or that.

[Andy Cortez]

And I read it in yesterday's review, somebody coming at Jason Schreier of like, I fucking.

[Greg Miller]

I love Delta Ring. So I'd love something.

[Andy Cortez]

He's like Shrier's like, this is one of my favorite Elden Rings, one of

[Greg Miller]

my favorite games all time, right? It's this idea that Black Myth Wukong, which is not a great game.

[Andy Cortez]

But listening to bless talk about it

[Greg Miller]

today, Kingdom Come Deliverance two, which is

[Andy Cortez]

not a great game.

[Greg Miller]

But watching stuff, playing it myself, Mike, like, I think those gameplay hooks are so much deeper than what I got

[Andy Cortez]

out of Crimson Desert.

[Greg Miller]

Now I say that again, 20 hours in, as you see people on Travis

[Andy Cortez]

talking about 110 hours and also being where I am with the score, you see Paul Tassie being 120 hours or

[Greg Miller]

whatever he said, being a 9.5. It's going to vary, but I think both of those games have something special that Crimson Desert doesn't. Where even though I'm not a Black Myth Wukong person and I'm not a Kingdom to Come Deliverance two person, I turn those on and go, man, this ain't for me. But I can see why it's back

[Andy Cortez]

to Baldur's Gate 3 for me, right? I don't like CRPGs. I see why someone would do this

[Greg Miller]

forever and I wish I could be them. Where Crimson Desert I play and I'm like, this is my genre of game

[Andy Cortez]

and I would rather go play Assassin's Creed Shadows. I'd rather.

[Greg Miller]

I'd rather go off and do something there. I'd rather go play do As I started earlier this year, restarted the Witcher, I should go back to the Witcher. Like, I'll be interested to see. Of course there's buyer remorse and you've invested your money and you want to be part of the conversation. And again, 50, 60, 70 hours into

[Andy Cortez]

this game when you are flying around

[Greg Miller]

a mech, maybe it's going to be a different experience. But for me, someone who walked off in all the different directions and was finding the enjoyment there but not the

[Andy Cortez]

desire to ever go back to it. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

[Greg Miller]

Now this is interesting and I want to bring this one.

[Andy Cortez]

This is a super chat that just happened.

[Greg Miller]

Another one I've seen people try to

[Andy Cortez]

throw at game reviewers on Crimson Desert.

[Greg Miller]

Andrew says you guys often limit long games. How much of that has to do with your pressure to always be reviewing

[Andy Cortez]

the new games coming out?

[Greg Miller]

The average consumer doesn't buy every game or get them for free. Do we lament long games? If anything, I would say I lament

[Andy Cortez]

not having the time for more long games.

[Greg Miller]

I would say that I can't remember.

[Andy Cortez]

Well, I guess I just did it

[Greg Miller]

for alien isolation, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. When I say alien isolation was just too damn long, I'm not saying it was.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm mad about the hours.

[Greg Miller]

I'm saying that I don't think the

[Andy Cortez]

experience carried it that long. And I think that's the difference.

[Greg Miller]

When we're talking about critiquing something, we are talking about the pacing of it and how many hours you spent with it and if those hours were valuable, needed, et cetera. I look at the Witcher 3, everlasting

[Andy Cortez]

gobstopper of content and go, damn, I wish I could.

[Greg Miller]

You see me, a Starfield sicko, admittedly, talk on the show with Michael Hyam this week.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, you know, I'm not trying to brag. I'm five days and 20 hours into it or whatever. And everyone in the chat goes, rookie numbers, rookie numbers.

[Greg Miller]

I'm a thousand. I'm two thousand. Langley Amdaley's eight hundred something. It's like, yeah, like I wish to a degree that I could do that.

[Andy Cortez]

Like, I obviously love my job. I'm very blessed to be able to play the latest, the greatest. The next thing I, you know, my inbox is overflowing with review codes.

[Greg Miller]

It's awesome and great, but there is that part of me that wishes like,

[Andy Cortez]

damn, I wish I could just play

[Greg Miller]

Starfield and play every great creation quest that comes up. But I don't find myself lamenting long games. And again, maybe it's word choice that

[Andy Cortez]

I'm getting hung up on, but I

[Greg Miller]

don't sit there and go, oh, this

[Andy Cortez]

game's got to be fucking even.

[Greg Miller]

Crimson Desert. I wasn't like, oh, this game's got to be this long. I was like, oh, this game's got to be this uninteresting to play. And again, that's me talking about it,

[Andy Cortez]

you know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

And back to it. I had seen people talk about like, oh, well, Crimson Desert. It was somebody and I don't know this person.

[Andy Cortez]

I feel like I'm coming at them and I'm not. But I want to respond to their comments so much.

[Greg Miller]

One of the comments was, of course,

[Andy Cortez]

this is what I expected from games journalists. They, you know, they want to play

[Greg Miller]

the next thing and do the next thing because that's their job. They don't play it this way, the

[Andy Cortez]

other way, blah, blah, blah.

[Greg Miller]

And it's like, I get that to a degree, but I don't agree with it. Where again, a Paul Tassi is doing it. And like, how many games have you

[Andy Cortez]

seen me review and do the review

[Greg Miller]

so far and go, this is so fucking good. I can't wait to go play more. We did it for Pocopia. I love this so much. I wish I had more time with it.

[Andy Cortez]

I can't wait to do more with it.

[Greg Miller]

It's going to be the game I play forever. It's going to be my everlasting gobstopper yet. Dah, dah, dah, dah. I don't think that works as the argument here, but it raises an interesting question that I look at and I will be interested to hear Pearl Abyss

[Andy Cortez]

take after all this is done, after it all is out with the wash

[Greg Miller]

right of did they need to do

[Andy Cortez]

reviews for this game? I argue they did not.

[Greg Miller]

I think that the trailers were so impressive.

[Andy Cortez]

I think the demos in the last

[Greg Miller]

preview cycle they just did were so impressive. Which by the way, kind of funny turned down because it was like, hey, do you want to come to LA and preview this game? I was like, what are we getting

[Andy Cortez]

codes like the next, the week after and you're saved from this won't carry over.

[Greg Miller]

And I was like, well, no, then we'll hold off and do that. I think it would have been an

[Andy Cortez]

interesting tactic to do the preview event. We're not giving out codes.

[Greg Miller]

We want everybody to experience together and

[Andy Cortez]

then have a gajillion live streams go up and then, yeah, to a degree,

[Greg Miller]

if that's the honest thing we were worried about.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm pointing at the comments like it was one of our people who pointed

[Greg Miller]

if it was this thing that, well, games journalists just don't have time for it or this, that the other. Let everybody play alongside each other and discover that and do it. But I don't like that argument Because I didn't play it that way.

[Andy Cortez]

And that wasn't one of my hang ups of it. I did wander the countryside.

[Greg Miller]

I liked smashing into that boss and getting my head kicked in and be like, all right, cool, let's go get some fucking cubes to level myself up. Barrett, you're up.

[Barrett]

And yeah, just like a. Something I kept seeing yesterday is like, oh, the, the longer people played it, the, the more they enjoyed it. So people who didn't put nearly as much time into it, like, don't see the full breadth of it. Trying to like kind of have a. Build a similar narrative to Dragon's Dogma 2. I remember, you know, like the drag dragon dog. Dogma 2 gets like really crazy in the end game and all this stuff and it all blows up. And like, I would, I would get building that narrative if I didn't also see split between. Split opinions between. The similar hour counts as well. Like, you know, there are plenty of other people who put in just as much time as Paul Tassey who are also just like, yeah, it's kind of whatever. And so that was like another aspect that I, I thought was weird yesterday of people trying to build up of like, oh, you know, similar with the conversation of lamenting long games and all of this stuff. I just thought that was a kind of a weird spin people were trying to make yesterday.

[Greg Miller]

We bring in Erg.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, Jesus Christ. Let me try that again. All right. I've been drinking a little bit of this coffee, feeling pretty good.

[Greg Miller]

EJRPG5495 super chat and says, question. When you go to review a game, do you take what it has presented itself as in promotion into account? Like if an RPG is actually just a hack and slash or a shooter

[Andy Cortez]

is actually a visual novel with just a shooting mini game.

[Greg Miller]

An interesting question that I don't think I have a great example of.

[Andy Cortez]

I mean, what the great. That's not a good example.

[Greg Miller]

I. Maybe my takeaway from that would be

[Andy Cortez]

metal gear solid 2, of course, where they promoted that entire game. And I was, I was fucking in college when this happened. I wasn't working the industry, but, hey, guess what, you're gonna be Solid Snake. And then how quickly were we not solid Snake?

[Greg Miller]

I don't. I. Promotional accounts, you take them into. I mean, you take it into effect in terms of like, oh, I think

[Andy Cortez]

I know what this game is, but

[Greg Miller]

there's been plenty of games you jump into.

[Andy Cortez]

I had no idea what this is.

[Greg Miller]

And I love that about it. Like, I can't think of the last time I was like I'm gonna jump. It's an open world rpg. I can't wait. And I started and I'm like, oh my God, it's a shmoop. Like that's just. I don't think that happens.

[Barrett]

Barry, you're the best example I can think of is more so story and theme presentation. I talked about unbeatable last year and how I thought from trailers and promotion and all this stuff the the story was going to be one thing and then it ended up being drastically different. That's the closest I can really think of an example of that. Not so much like genre stuff like that.

[Greg Miller]

I like this one from Shiv over

[Andy Cortez]

on the one the only patreon.com kind

[Greg Miller]

of funny where by the way, quips are free.

[Andy Cortez]

I should say that. Join patreon.com kind of funny for free.

[Greg Miller]

Follow our quips there.

[Andy Cortez]

Get the weekly schedule delivered to you without Mike yak yak yakking in your face.

[Greg Miller]

Shiv says the canyon of opinions that happened for Dragon Dragons Dragon Age valeguard

[Andy Cortez]

For some reason we're talking about Dragon's Dogma and they just said Veil Guard and I bricked Veil Guard with reviewers

[Greg Miller]

hailing it as the return of Bioware and YouTubers and Twitter peeps lambasting the

[Andy Cortez]

dialogue and calling it the worst game ever. Parentheses this is ship.

[Greg Miller]

Enjoyed the hell out of it myself.

[Andy Cortez]

But the dialogue is not up to the BioWare standard. That's a great example of divisive.

[Greg Miller]

Divisive.

[Andy Cortez]

Divisive. I saw people saying my pronunciation of divissive is divisive.

[Greg Miller]

A great example of divisive video game reviews.

[Andy Cortez]

That was one here that me and Andy absolutely adored, right? And then, yeah, it went out into the streets and people beat it to death over and over again. And I thought, you know, Andy comes back when we talk about this of his playthrough was great, but he's seen other playthroughs, other choices with different characters, different pronunciations or different intonations. And he's like, oh, I could see why people hated this when I didn't have that experience. For me, what I always find interesting is so many people will come down

[Greg Miller]

and be like, hey, whatever, it's a good, maybe even great game, but it's

[Andy Cortez]

not a Dragon Age game.

[Greg Miller]

And that's where I go, ah, see,

[Andy Cortez]

I never played a Dragon Age game. I didn't like the other Dragon Age games and never got into them. So for me to get into this action RPG or whatever, very colorful, I Love the style, I love the thing. I had no hang ups on it. And I think again, while in the olden days, that would have been such

[Greg Miller]

a detractor to me reviewing it.

[Andy Cortez]

Slide at ign. Right. Well, Greg's never played a Dragon Age game, so don't have him do this. I think that's the power of where we're at now where I can come into the review and say, I never.

[Greg Miller]

I probably booted the other two.

[Andy Cortez]

I watched my ex girlfriend play him. I didn't love him. I didn't want to get into them. Here's me coming in as a new fan, a new person or whatever. That's a powerful review in a way that it wouldn't have been back in the day when it was like, no, no, we need a hardcore Dragon Age person doing this.

[Greg Miller]

But I like that this is an interesting one that I haven't seen. Of course, you know we love Giant Bomb here. Credence writes in and says, giant Bomb

[Andy Cortez]

giving Metroid prime for a 10 out of 10. Now any commentary on any game goes back to quote so it's not as good as Metroid Prime 4 then. I didn't realize they were living that life right now. And even if it's jovial, we fucking hate that. Back to like how y' all feel like we're talking about Cali, we're talking about me, we're talking about whatever.

[Greg Miller]

Like that's the kind of shit where like, can you just listen to the

[Andy Cortez]

fucking point I'm making? But Greg didn't like Ballers.

[Greg Miller]

Gate three. It's not that he didn't like Ballers, I just don't like crpg. Drives me crazy. Drives everybody crazy.

[Andy Cortez]

What else I got going on here?

[Greg Miller]

Fantasy Thinker fan Super chat that says, remember friends, a low to or I'm sorry, a low or mid Metacritic doesn't

[Andy Cortez]

mean a game is objectively bad or middle.

[Greg Miller]

Find reviewers with tastes similar to yours

[Andy Cortez]

and weigh those more heavily.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly. That's what it's all about, right? That's what we're talking about. Not to mention go watch your favorite

[Andy Cortez]

streamers, your favorite whatevers, see what they're saying. Did they like it? Did they not like it? Why didn't they like it? What was the deal with that? What about this?

[Greg Miller]

You know, that's the power of where

[Andy Cortez]

we're at right now.

[Greg Miller]

And again, I love it and I like it a lot and I think we have a more.

[Andy Cortez]

And I know this is saying something, a more literate audience, not you guys kind of funny. Obviously you guys are fucking awesome. But I mean in general, video game, press consuming, whatever.

[Greg Miller]

Barrett, read your tweet to me.

[Barrett]

Enjoy art, Talk about what works for you and what doesn't with your friends. Take something away from it. Don't let numbers be a fixation and control how you consume art. And then my follow up here because this was kind of more of a thread about people being obsessed with like games getting in the aggregates like 70s and talking about divisiveness and all this stuff. I ended with. I know this will go in one ear and not the other for some, so let me put it into the terms of the of the American education system that has brain broken. A lot of us Cs get degrees, baby. If Cs are good enough to get degrees, they're good enough to check out and see if you get something from it.

[Greg Miller]

Well said. This is a fun one from the

[Andy Cortez]

Patreon one to close on Jet says Greg Miller's 2010 IGN review of Sing Star Dance pissed me the hell off. SingStar Dance IGN review I don't. I don't. I mean I remember reviewing all the Sing Star. Oh, I gave it a 5.5 out of 10. I said now with 100 my subhead now with 100% more flailing. Damn. By now this is my lead.

[Greg Miller]

By now the Sing Star formula should

[Andy Cortez]

be pretty standard for PlayStation gamers out there.

[Greg Miller]

You buy a Sing Star disc along with some microphones, then you get to belt out tunes karaoke style in your living room. You can try to fill in pitch and timing bars with your voice to earn points, but most of the time it's just about rocking the Castbah.

[Andy Cortez]

Jesus, Greg.

[Greg Miller]

And getting your friends to have some fun. Layered on top of it is a robust online suite that allows you to upload performances, rate other people's work, and join clubs. Aside from a minor update here and there, can we get to what we're talking? Okay. However, SingStar Dance takes the PlayStation Move

[Andy Cortez]

and tosses it into the mix.

[Greg Miller]

Now, the 30 songs on the disc also have dance routines to follow along with and rack up points.

[Andy Cortez]

As always, the singing is fun, but this addition to PlayStation Move is a meth is just a mess of flailing arms. Please click on that. Gameplay Sing Start Dance Dancing Duet Gameplay it's me and a Green Lantern. Well, yeah, an Ion shirt technically with

[Greg Miller]

Jack Devries me dragging Jack away from

[Andy Cortez]

whatever Nintendo DS game they had him doing to come in here.

[Barrett]

I'm sorry, is Jack DeVries like 13 years old?

[Andy Cortez]

While working at Jack is a very Young looking person. And yes, back then was incredibly young. Keep it going while I read my verdict.

[Greg Miller]

If you're just buying who's mad about this? Why would you love this? If you're just buying this for the tracks, you're fine. I like the set list and the Sing Star Online features are cool. Trouble is, the game isn't just tracks. Sing Star Dance is a tacked on

[Andy Cortez]

PlayStation Move option that does nothing to further the fledgling control scheme.

[Greg Miller]

Sure, you'll have fun and laugh as your friends make fools of themselves, but that's just because they're waving their arms

[Andy Cortez]

like crazy and acting foolish. It's not because the system works. Damn Greg and I loved Singstar. So you knew.

[Greg Miller]

I throw that one back in your face. I don't want that.

[Andy Cortez]

I don't want that one.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, that's not where I refuse to accept that looking out. I'm looking at. Is there anyone I want to call out here?

[Andy Cortez]

No, we cover the most of them. Everybody. This has been another episode of the Kinda Funny gamescast.

[Greg Miller]

Thank you of course to VGC News's

[Andy Cortez]

Jordan Midler, the big man of video game jar.

[Greg Miller]

Remember, of course. You have homework. Call 415-343-5034. I leave very specific instructions for what I need for tomorrow's games cast. Go be a part of it.

[Andy Cortez]

Have a good time.

[Greg Miller]

Remember, our day of programming is far from done because we are all about

[Andy Cortez]

live programming here on YouTube.com kindafunnygames, Twitch TV, kindafunnygames and podcast services around the globe.

[Greg Miller]

Right now you're gonna get an in review

[Andy Cortez]

for Scream 7. I need to make sure I was on the right one.

[Greg Miller]

It's Joey, it's Nick, it's James and Elise Willems. They are here to party with us.

[Andy Cortez]

It's gonna be great.

[Greg Miller]

Then of course we will be back

[Andy Cortez]

on for a big day night of streaming. Remember?

[Greg Miller]

We'll take a quick break but at three o', clock, Blessing and I will

[Andy Cortez]

turn on Crimson Desert, start a new

[Greg Miller]

game, do a games cast plays brought

[Andy Cortez]

to you by five Hour Energy. And then when we wrap that up,

[Greg Miller]

Andy will start a marathon stream of Crimson Desert. So if you're like, will Andy like this game? Why not find out by funding him playing it for the next 130 hours. The longer you sub wait, the more

[Andy Cortez]

you sub, the longer he goes. Anyways, I digress everybody. This is another gamescast in the bank.

[Greg Miller]

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[Andy Cortez]

However, this is the end of this

[Greg Miller]

show so until next time, it's been

[Andy Cortez]

our pleasure to serve you.

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