We Open Our 10-Year Video Game Capsule - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: We Open Our 10-Year Video Game Capsule

Release Date: May 13, 2025
Hosts: Tim Gettys, Greg “GameOverGreggy” Miller, Blessing Adeoye, and Andy Cortez
Description: Weekly video game reviews, previews, and analysis of the biggest topics in gaming, covering the latest in PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo, and more.

Introduction: Celebrating a Decade in Gaming

In this special episode of the Kinda Funny Gamescast, hosts Tim Gettys and Greg Miller commemorate the 10-year anniversary of their original video game capsule opening from May 13, 2015. The discussion revolves around reflecting on past predictions about the gaming industry's future and assessing how those expectations have materialized over the decade.

Revisiting 2015 Predictions

Tim Gettys opens the conversation by highlighting a question from Project Garte, where they were asked to predict the state of the video game industry in 10 to 15 years. Tim recalls his key bullet points:

• Prettier Games: Emphasis on enhanced graphics and visual fidelity.
• VR's Decline: Skepticism about virtual reality becoming mainstream.

Greg Miller adds that their predictions were broad and perhaps lacked specificity. He notes that ten years ago, the gaming landscape was vastly different, with VR on the horizon and cloud gaming yet to take off.

“That’s a long ass time,” Tim Gettys (10:19)

State of the Gaming Industry in 2025

Console Evolution and Announcements

The hosts delve into the current excitement surrounding the Nintendo Switch 2 and the upcoming Summer Game Fest (SGF). Greg expresses enthusiasm about potential announcements, including new titles and possibly a Switch 2, which he believes are key drivers for industry momentum.

“I think the fever pitch is just I love game showcases and I love when we're leading into one or a series of them,” Greg Miller (04:18)

Xbox Showcase Success

Greg Miller praises the recent Xbox Showcase, describing it as one of the best showcases they've ever seen. He highlights how Xbox's strategic moves are beginning to pay off, signaling a more coherent vision for the future.

“The Xbox Showcase the last couple of years has been incredible, incredibly banger after banger,” Greg Miller (03:05)

Nintendo’s Market Position

The discussion shifts to Nintendo’s position in the market. While acknowledging the Switch's success, Greg remains cautious about the potential for Nintendo to maintain its momentum with the Switch 2 amidst fierce competition.

“I’m excited for the Switch 2 and its power level is going to be an awakening moment for so much of the industry,” Greg Miller (24:03)

Cloud Gaming and Streaming

Both hosts reflect on the rise of cloud gaming platforms like GeForce Now and the implications of widespread high-speed internet access through initiatives like Starlink. Tim shares his positive experiences with cloud gaming, particularly using GeForce Now on his Steam Deck.

“Whenever I had Internet access and even when I was at hotels and stuff and the Internet wasn't perfect, I'm still getting like top of the line ass images from this game,” Greg Miller (51:25)

Cross-Platform Play and Progression

The conversation touches on the advancements in cross-platform play and cross-progression, though Greg points out ongoing challenges, such as integrating trophy systems across different platforms.

“But if this was on PlayStation I'd be like pretty heavily considering if not actively pursuing that Platinum,” Greg Miller (42:22)

Reflecting on Past Critiques

Greg Miller reminisces about their past criticisms of consoles like the Wii U, asserting that while the hardware may have been lacking, the game libraries were strong and have since been validated by their success on newer platforms.

“I'm still getting the same shit out. Look. Wii U Pro controller. A freaking abomination. You tell you bitching about syncing it. Who cares?” Greg Miller (32:03)

Tim Gettys concurs, emphasizing that the Wii U's failure was more about the console itself rather than its impressive game library, which found new life on the Nintendo Switch.

“The games got ported to Switch. We all love them on Switch,” Tim Gettys (31:55)

Industry Insights: Adoption and Technology

The hosts discuss the role of fast internet in enabling cloud gaming's success, addressing concerns about accessibility in regions with slower connections. Greg emphasizes the transformative potential of technologies like Starlink, which are making high-speed internet more accessible globally.

“Adoption of Starlink, which is the Elon back... incredibly fast Internet,” Greg Miller (51:54)

Future Outlook: 2035 and Beyond

Looking ahead, Tim and Greg ponder where video games will stand in the next decade. They speculate on the maturation of cloud gaming, the evolution of game genres, and the continued importance of flexible gaming experiences across various devices.

“Games are gonna be prettier. And they sure are,” Greg Miller (60:31)

Tim Gettys adds that the future will likely see more immersive and integrated gaming experiences, possibly leveraging advancements in AI and neural technologies.

“We're about to see a very interesting future for gaming using Apple devices... not this 10 years,” Greg Miller (20:47)

Notable Quotes

• Greg Miller (04:18): “The Xbox Showcase the last couple of years has been incredible, incredibly banger after banger.”
• Tim Gettys (10:19): “That’s a long ass time.”
• Greg Miller (32:03): “Wii U Pro controller. A freaking abomination.”
• Greg Miller (51:25): “Whenever I had Internet access... still getting like top of the line ass images from this game.”
• Greg Miller (60:31): “Games are gonna be prettier. And they sure are.”

Conclusion: Embracing Change and Looking Forward

As the episode wraps up, Tim and Greg express optimism about the gaming industry's direction, despite acknowledging ongoing challenges like hardware limitations and platform fragmentation. They celebrate the flexibility and diversity of gaming experiences available today and remain hopeful for continued innovation and growth.

“It’s something here them saying that games peaked in the Xbox 360 and PS3. Clearly that's not true... more flexibility on where and how you play the games,” Greg Miller (58:30)

The hosts conclude by teasing future content, including another video game time capsule episode, and encourage listeners to engage with their ongoing analyses and discussions.

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This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting the hosts' reflections on past predictions, current industry trends, and future outlooks, enriched with notable quotes and timestamped attributions.

Transcript

[Greg Miller]

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[Tim Gettys]

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[Greg Miller]

Let Tim host. How you doing Greg?

[Tim Gettys]

I'm great. Happy to be here. You know this is day one back from PAX East. Back from a long weekend with the fam. Just trying to get out there and talk about some stuff because I can't believe SGF is so close.

[Greg Miller]

We're in a crazy Switch. Yes.

[Tim Gettys]

So close.

[Greg Miller]

You've been in Boston for PAX East. I was just in Los Angeles for the Tony Hawk Pro Skater event for the last week. So I haven't seen you in a very long time. I haven't seen anybody. It's been crazy. So we're back here. People I've seen. Yeah. Just not our normal people. It's a different, different group of people. But having to being at the table talking about video games, it's nice. Really happy to be back. I'm excited that you're back. But yeah, the, the conversations around SSGF and the Switch 2 with everyone down in LA, it's like oh man, fever pit. Like we are so close to like game changing for me. Life changing things having the Nintendo Switch to so close. A new Mario Kart. The first Mario Kart in 10 years.

[Tim Gettys]

Like oh, you say fever pitch and you tossed in sgf. Do you feel there is a fever pitch for SGF Summer Game Fest itself? There's the can't Wait to hang out, can't wait to play stuff at play days, see what Jeff's got up his sleeve. But I. Are you. Were you hearing the rumblings of this? Who the biggest SGF of all time?

[Greg Miller]

No, not at all. And yeah, I think that this year's SGF is. There's no reason to look forward to it more or less than any of the summer game fest.

[Tim Gettys]

Sure.

[Greg Miller]

The exception to that is the Switch to There's a new player on the courts. And I think that the potential for Switch 2 announcements is. I mean it's inevitable. Right. We're going to get Switch 2 games to kind of fill out non Nintendo ones to fill out the rest of the year. So I'm very excited about that. And in addition that like I just. I'm excited for the industry. Like I think that Xbox having a show like Xbox Showcase is easily what I'm most excited for at this point. I don't expect we're going to get a Nintendo direct around that time because.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, well, you'll be so fresh.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. And maybe they'll have a Donkey Kong thing or whatever. But like I don't. I'm not expecting a big blowout. We just got that. And on the PlayStation side, like who knows, like will there be a state of play around it? Probably. But the Xbox Showcase the last couple of years has been incredible, incredibly banger after banger. I think last year's is potentially like one of the greatest showcases we've ever seen. And like the dominoes have been fallen and a lot of those dominoes were shown at that showcase or maybe not for the first time, but like we. We saw games like south of Midnight again and got more information on that and that was where we saw Expedition 33 for the first time. And here we're at now and just now that the. We don't have any information about Xbox games on Switch 2. I think the Switch to launching and Xbox Showcase happening at that time, very exciting for me. I want to see what that looks like because I think that Xbox is continuing to make really interesting moves that are, I don't want to say starting to pay off, but I feel like they're starting to crystallize in a way where I'm like, all right, cool. I. I see the vision or there's a vision coming together that was not the vision leading into this. Domino's did not fall the way that they thought they were going to.

[Tim Gettys]

They thought they were going to have.

[Greg Miller]

I think they're falling in a very positive way and I'M I'm excited for the ride. So yeah, I, I would say the fever pitch is just I love game showcases and I love when we're leading into one or a series of them. In in the the case of sgf.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

That we there are a lot of studios I want to hear from that we might hear from. There's a lot of like questions that I think we're going to get answered. We have most of the release dates for some of the biggest games announced. Like we already know now when Metal your Solid Delta's coming out. So it's not like we're waiting for the release date for that. But there are other games this year that I do think we're going to hear about that we've been waiting for. So I am excited.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm excited about it too. If you're excited about it. There's no better place to hang out than right here with Kinda Funny. If you didn't know, Kinda Funny is an 11 person small business. All about live talk shows in the vein of video games. We start your day with Kinda Funny games daily at 10am Pacific. Roll into the Kinda Funny Games cast where of course we talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games. Then of maybe you get something like in review, maybe you get a screencast but of course you get a daily video game stream. When it comes to sgf, we will be live reacting of course to Jeff's show. Pre shows, post shows, you know it, it'll all be there gamescast. Of course if you want to catch the post shows later, of course we live reacting to Xbox. We'll be all over these other ones that are happening. You can watch these conferences as they happen with us on Twitch TV. Kindafunnygames YouTube.com kindafunnygames of course when Switch drops that beautiful, beautiful Thursday in June, we'll be live. When are the switches arriving? It's all on FedEx. You're going to the store, hopefully the night before.

[Greg Miller]

There's a lot of questions. What I will say is I don't know exactly what our coverage of the Switch 2 launch is going to look like. From Thursday to Friday. There's summer Game fest happening. There's a Switch launch happening. What I do know is it's going to be electric and I feel like we are in such a awesome, unique spot right now just with how all this is happening that all of us are going to be at the studio the day of this launch getting our switches going out to have to buy them. Who knows how we're going to stream it all, but there's going to be an energy that you rarely see. Console launches only come around once every couple of years and once every like many couple of years. Right. Like it's not just a handful and they usually come around each other. So it's like. It's not like we're getting these things. Oh, the Xbox here and the PlayStation here and then Nintendo here. Usually it's like Xbox and PlayStation launch together and then it's another 10 years before we get that again.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I remember the energy at IGN when all the PS4 came, right. And everyone was like getting them and everyone's unboxing them at the same time. Like that is like such a unique thing that I feel like the Switch one we didn't even have of having. I mean, here's the other thing we. Sorry, I'm rambling, but I'm about to make a solid point.

[Tim Gettys]

I love it. No one's mad, no one's kind of funny.

[Greg Miller]

Has not had a console launch with all of us together in one building. Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Fuck you, Covid.

[Greg Miller]

Switch one was like a very different version of kind of funny. Very different amount of people even. Yeah. And then Covid happened for PS5 and Xbox. This is the first time we're getting in a console launch we're all equally excited for and we're all gonna be here. It's gonna.

[Tim Gettys]

My thing is something you talked about where you're. You think you're getting yours at Best Buy the night before, right? That's the rumor.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, last I knew it's gonna be morning of but Barrett was convincing me it's gonna be night before. I haven't been able to find any evidence that our Best Buy is doing that.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

But if so.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh yeah, if so, then I want to claim your second one and I want to. To get that. I love that. Maybe bring a little Benny boy. Let's do it.

[Greg Miller]

That sounds great. Let's have a party.

[Tim Gettys]

Of course we have a party. Like I said all those things. If you really like what we do, pick up a Kind of Funny membership. Of course you can pick one up on YouTube.com kindafunnygames patreon.com Kinda funny. Apple and Spotify get all of our shows. That's more than 20 a week ad free. And of course get your daily dose of me, Greg Miller in a 15 to 20 minute series. We call Greg wife. Let's get you some housekeeping. That's a bit vague. Of course we're an 11 person. Small business. As I've already said today, you already got Kinda Funny Games Daily with Mike and Gary. That's right. It was an X Cast reunion. After this, the stream should be Revenge of the Savage Planet. But if you've been around here once or twice, you know those streams can change at a moment's notice. If you're a kind of funny member, you're getting a Greg away today and it's going to be a banger. I didn't. I don't know what it is yet because I'm in the past recording and you're in the future and I usually get them in the. I'll probably still do it on the way to the event. It doesn't matter. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Shady Rays, Aura Frames and Rocket Money. But we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be topic of the show. Timothy? Yes, 2015, the 10 year anniversary of Kinda Funny. You mentioned it with the switch, you know, you go back to that. That was 2016. 17. 17. A different. We were in a different studio, the one above the shop. Far fewer people here when this all happened. A lot's changed since then. I think, you know, today, today as of recording, you know, we of course had Jeff Grubb on, Dan Reichert on talking about Giant Bomb going independent. What a big moment that is. X, Y and Z. I can't believe that this company is old enough and you and I have been working together at it long enough that we can open up our own video game time capsule.

[Greg Miller]

It's kind of wild, isn't it?

[Tim Gettys]

On May 13, 2015. That's right. 10 years to the day. Where will gaming be in 10 to 15 years went up is kind of funny. Gamescast Episode 19 Part 3 starring if you're a video viewer, myself, Colin and Timothy hosting there in the chair. Kevin of course on the ones and twos. Will Kevin make an appearance in a soundbite? Perhaps he will in a little bit.

[Greg Miller]

Wow.

[Tim Gettys]

I produced this shit today. The episode starts easy enough for the part of the episode because this is still topic by topic like the Game Over Gregory show was, which is kind of crazy. You brought in a question from Project Garte who said what are your predictions and what will the video game industry be like in 10 to 15 years? To which you, Tim Getty said, quote, that's a long ass time.

[Greg Miller]

That's a long ass Time and now you've lived it. We've lived it and it was a long ass time. So much has happened. Good, bad, everything in between. Looking at this picture or video Right now, 20th anniversary PlayStation behind you. We had freshly gotten that not too long before this and now we have the 30th anniversary PlayStation. Like that's. There's just a lot of things where time works the way it does and it's wild to be here. Right. Like this is. I'm very excited to hear what we.

[Tim Gettys]

Had to say then you haven't gone back and listened?

[Greg Miller]

No, no I have not. So I don't know what we said. I'm sure that we were entirely off.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm sure some you'd be surprising how on we were. Even though not necessarily about the thing you thought you were.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly, that's the thing. It's like vibes and just generality. Sure. But like the specifics, I'm sure we were totally off because 10 years ago was a very different time in video games in terms of even who the major players were and what we were talking about. We're talking about an era where again I don't know where we're going with this. I haven't even looked at the run of show for this but like PlayStation VR was looming. VR was the conversation we were leading into. You know what I mean? Like yeah, this was years before the cloud gaming boom even happened. Right. This is before stadia, this is before like we had remote play on PlayStation but it was very different. So even just trying to think of this is obviously a pre game pass world where the game subscription Service in fact 2015. Guess what Greg, that was a pre Nintendo Switch world which means Nintendo was at an all time low. Things were bad for you, boy.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh yeah, they were bad. And you get mad in this episode. Oh I'm sure not like you would nowaday where you tell us off Colin doggy. You can see like fuck you guys. But you don't say that. Which I appreciate about it. There's a lot of different directions to go with this. You know this is back when you hosted gamescast. So you very much throw out the questions. Me and Colin go back and forth, you come back and obviously pepper in your own opinions here and there. But I was the first to jump on the grenade here of Project Garte. What are your predictions and what will the video game industry be like in 10 to 15 years? My bullet points off the top of my head were prettier games for sure. I don't think that VR will be a big thing.

[Greg Miller]

And I mean, you know, I don't want to say nailed it, but you're right.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh no, I did.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Isn't a big thing.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

More than ever the waters are running away from there. Receding from this.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. I guess that's my thing is like, like big thing is like what's that even fucking me. I feel like it's. It is not a big thing. It is not a big thing in the I think if any way.

[Tim Gettys]

But like I have direct quotes and I have clips I want to show. This one was I think worth it. But when I'm like a big thing, I think we actually go into a little bit of like be around or whatever.

[Greg Miller]

True. And with that, overall, yes. Like here I'm just being a little devil's advocate just for the sake of conversation, but I would argue that the fact that we even got a PlayStation VR 2, sure. It wasn't a major success, which I think is pretty telling. We got one.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Like that to me is like, hey, that was bigger than I would think that the Greg Miller in 2015 is implying. But also I do think that I'd give you the point here.

[Tim Gettys]

Thank you. I want to point. This is where I think there's interesting dual take from me. I said. And then I then I started asking question like, are we to a unified console? This would always be the big thing. Yeah, consoles on their last legs, they're not going to make it, blah, blah. And then I say this has Steam won over and is it now on TVs and you're playing games that way? Indicating of course what I think would become much more ubiquitous with Xbox Game pass where they're at and all this stuff. And then I tossed out the question of is it tablet and mobile based? Which you can make some degree. It's not. But I lob it out there and I think what's interesting. Let me finish before you go there. Because I lob it out, I think very much in. And this is me in 2025 going back and listening to when I heard it, I thought I was saying, oh well, like Steam playing games on your tv, tablets and mobile.

[Greg Miller]

Right.

[Tim Gettys]

Again, Xbox Game pass. However, I found it telling that when I said the. Because it's like are you playing games that way on your TV with Steam? And then I go, is it all tablet and mobile based? Question mark. Colin immediately goes, no way. And I was like, oh, that's interesting that he didn't think it would be streaming. And then as you watch through the episode? No, it's very much Colin talking about tablet and mobile based. So I think present 2025, Greg was looping tablet and mobile into the TV conversation when in fact this was at the time 10 years ago, a different conversation.

[Greg Miller]

It definitely is. And yeah, that's like, you're so right about like the details, like the story being there, but like the details are where it kind of splits because yes, there's the actual hardware side of it, of tablets and mobile and like, no, that is not where gaming is. It is there though, in a very big way. And you can, via streaming or just actual dedicated hardware, play a lot of games on many different mobile and tablet devices. And many people do that. I think you take it a step further for the conversation though, and you look at Steam big picture mode, that to me is a very mobile friendly, console focused way to interact with video games on Steam games, computer games on TV or on other mobile devices. At the end of the day, is it tablet based? Whatever, sure. Not the number one way that the most people are playing the games, that is still consoles. However, the Steam deck is a gaming tablet. It is closer to a tablet than it is to a laptop and everything has merged and merged. So it's like, it's almost a silly distinction to make there because it is running full operating systems.

[Tim Gettys]

It's interesting you go that way with it. Right. Later on in this episode, you present the question of has Apple entered? Is Apple doing a console? And then from all of us, you know, are they doing a dedicated gaming device? We all say no, none of us think that's going to happen. My quote is, I think the time has come and gone for that. In terms of where Apple was 10 years ago and what they were doing here, I do bring up if they were going to do this, it would be your iPad or your iOS device, HDMI into a TV and you playing games that way. Right. I think it's interesting. Obviously they've made such a big deal out of the new phones, the new chip and the iPad. Right. The ability to run death stranding, the ability to play Resident Evil. You can play these games natively and you can share them to your TV that way. Obviously I would have liked to believe. You know how time's a funny thing and I'm not that tech guy as much as I airplay right now from my phone. I would have imagined I could have done that 10 years ago, but I'm guessing I couldn't because you don't correct me on this.

[Greg Miller]

No, no, no, no, you wouldn't be able to airplay back then. I mean but Google Chromecast was a very new thing at that point. Like casting in general. That idea was so fresh and it worked surprisingly well. It was not perfect. It's way better today. Still not perfect. But I would personally like on the grand scheme of things tech scale I would put casting and airplane, all that stuff as the 10 out of 10 strong success. It works. Sure there are exceptions to that. There's exceptions to putting a disc in and it playing on a CD player or like whatever. But like I think overall it is a tech that has matured enough to to count as you should expect it to win instead of having needing a backup bringing the Apple into it in a different way. Like you brought up the death stranding and Resident Evil.

[Tim Gettys]

And let me toss out my one thing off of this. When I'm talking about the iOS or iPad, HDMI to a TV or whatever my quote is and then kind of as a by and then kind of as a byproduct Apple's in the console space where they where they really aren't. But that what we're describing there is what I hope the NX is because throughout this episode we call the Switch the NX because that's all we need. That was the rumor of it. It was the rumored name. There had been rumors. Maybe there'd be a way to take your games on the go.

[Greg Miller]

I know definitely not really. No, no.

[Tim Gettys]

The way we talk about it, it seemed like there was already rumors about it.

[Greg Miller]

Oh really? Okay, maybe I'm wrong then but I thought that that would have come way closer to that 2017 mark of like I don't my memory. I wouldn't think it that two plus years out from the Switch launching. I guess two years we'd be talking.

[Tim Gettys]

About I feel like closer then you can give me all the points in the world Kevin, if you want to put up clip number two. All right. This is coming off of a whole bunch of conversation throughout this. We're talking about the power of the Wii U. We get into dogging on the Wii U a lot. Blah blah blah.

[Greg Miller]

I'm so sick of the whole like it does.

[Tim Gettys]

The power doesn't matter.

[Greg Miller]

It does matter.

[Tim Gettys]

But that's the thing right now for what they're doing. Think about it. The power doesn't matter because like you're saying they are not known for powerful hardware. Right. Nintendo works out in the fact that every year or every generation will say PlayStation and Xbox get meatier and beefier and do more and more and they need like, there's no way to put the Xbox One stuff guts into something I can take with me. Right. And play the game somewhere else. If Nintendo's like gonna do the whole thing, we're marching to the beat of an old drummer. I like how the Wii didn't go to HD when the Wii came out. If they do something like that, then maybe there is that chance for parity where it doesn't have to be. Okay, you're playing this Zelda RPG on your screen with your nx. Now you're leaving. So Link gets into this thing and goes to a different dungeon. You can only play dungeons on your NX handheld without being connected to the device. Right. If they boil it down to where it's a. Not a. Not blowing your socks off, but it's awesome. Games that can be on your TV can be on the go. That'd be interesting. I hope that's not the case.

[Greg Miller]

You might be right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, okay. So like, that to me does imply that the rumors were there of having the conversation of it being a some kind of hybrid.

[Tim Gettys]

There's a mention throughout of like some.

[Greg Miller]

Kind of hybrid, which, I mean, I think all of us forever were like, there's no way. Of course, it wasn't until I first actually took the switch off of the dock and put it back on and saw how seamless it was that it was like, oh my God, it's actually working like that. Real quick going back to the Apple thing because I just want to finish out the. That conversation where, yeah, they did not get into Apple with an Apple Play or something like hardcore like that. They did continue to double down on the. The bigger ability to play games, but I think that's more of a tech showcase for how powerful the phone is as opposed to like a viable way that they're expecting people to play these games. But the rumors are now that the. There's going to be a new Apple TV coming out, the third. Third iteration, I guess, of Apple TV coming later this year and having those upgraded M chips and what that could mean for having gameplay streaming apps on the Apple TV. Right now there aren't many of them, but if GeForce now, which is incredible is on Apple TV, I think they're going to push that hard. Nvidia has its SHIELD device that does the same thing currently and those are competing products. But Apple, because of a lot of different factors, including the EULA stuff going on all the fortnight and you know, all that things, I think that we're about to see a very interesting future for gaming using Apple devices that are in millions of people's homes already that are incredibly tech, technical, technologically advanced and able to run games both streaming and potentially internally. But that's not this 10 years. Right. We're still not quite there.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Which is crazy, right? One of my other ones when I was out of my questioning of the top of life I go the big change from right now is that online will work right out of the box. I think we'll figure out the social features that won't crash a game like.

[Greg Miller]

Tetris because of Nintendo here right now.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm talking in general at the very top level of what's going on. I'm hopping a bit around my own notes out here. That's what like an introduction thing of make a hard prediction that I went through.

[Greg Miller]

I mean that kind of goes back to what I was just saying about the casting where it's like I'd say it did like I'd say that online gaming does work.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh 100 compared to where we were here where it was you're trying to get all these cutting edge new things into games on a game by game basis. But there was, I mean like imagine talking to these three about cross play, cross buy. I know, you know what I mean? Like no cross stage.

[Greg Miller]

No way. Yeah, I mean absolutely. So yeah, I would say that like the online stuff did pan out that way.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, it worked. You ask us Tim, will there be another PlayStation? We both say yes. Another Xbox? We both say yes. Although Colin goes out as far to say I think Xbox spins off from Microsoft soon. I don't think Microsoft wants Xbox anymore. I think that's somewhat clear.

[Greg Miller]

I mean interesting like right to look at that to what it turned into earlier we were talking about the dominoes falling and how they're falling in a way that none of us could have expected. But I really think that what Colin was saying there is still true to this day. But I think that Xbox has fought back. I think that Xbox has really been like no, we are worth it, we're going to prove it to you. And I think that that is still being proven currently. But I think that there's a more coherent and believable path forward for them from a community standpoint and from a business standpoint. I think they still have a couple of years left of figuring things out and getting all of their major acquisitions in line because it's impossible for a company to be able to manage Activision and Bethesda and all the Xbox things. And whatever else comes past that without a bunch of issues. And we're seeing those issues. We're still living that. And the moments of Xbox Games coming to PlayStation coming to Switch to whatever. We're still not at that expectation point that every single game announced is going to be everywhere day one. I think we're very close to that. But until we are, I do think that. And until that strategy works and they're making all the freaking money which they're getting to. Yeah. Microsoft still has a weird relationship with Xbox and vice versa.

[Tim Gettys]

Agreed. I think so much of this is reading the tea leaves right. And it's evident by Nintendo will there be another Nintendo? And then there's a giant conversation that pretty much dominates the rest of the show of what is Nintendo anymore? How close to Nintendo third party publishing are we. This being this NX being their last gasp at being able to do this. Right. And how do you cut away from innovation? What is their legacy? Their games need to be the thing that drive forward not the hardware. Da da da da. And it is all so clearly a pre Switch world we're talking about.

[Greg Miller]

Absolutely.

[Tim Gettys]

To be here 10 years later and see the numbers this thing's put up the way that it is the hardware that has changed the game overall. Right. Like I want to get to Steam and Steam Deck, which we don't talk about specifically but you'll see when we get there. Right. But this is all spurred on by the success of the Nintendo Switch which clearly I would say none of us believe in. But you probably believe in me and Colin don't believe in it.

[Greg Miller]

No. I mean here's the thing. Like the, the, the I'll make no bones about it. Like the Switch was not an expected hit. Like I feel like it was looked at as like, okay, we'll see. I don't fucking believe it. Up until people were playing it on. Playing Breath of the Wild on flights.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

You know.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And it was definitely that, that turning point and obviously now Revisionist we can look back and see the success of the Switch. But to react to what Colin was saying there about Nintendo and it's games not being as powerful and like all of. And it never will be a lot where we're at currently right now in 2020 five weeks away from the Switch 2 launching. Like I haven't really had the space to, to fully go off and do this and like I want to like see some things launch and like kind of get a bit more info before we like do a gamescast about it or whatever. Fully but like I am so hopeful that the Switch 2 and its power level is going to be a awakening moment for so much of the industry that's like, hey, this is all it needs to be. We should stop chasing like going past that and Nintendo's often kind of bend there. It's just they weren't fully there. I look at the Switch one in a game like Mario Odyssey and it's like in my opinion this is all games need to be. Like we don't need to be going that crazy. I'm also a tech guy. I love the Last of Us. I want Last of Us three to be the most realistic looking thing ever. Like Death Stranding 2 looks absolutely insane. But the budgets of those games are causing the state of the industry.

[Tim Gettys]

Sustainable. Are they sustainable?

[Greg Miller]

Those games being in 4K60, shit, you know you're gonna need a PS5 and it's gonna have to fake it to be able to do it. Like Nintendo Metroid Prime, 420 frames per second, 1080 on the portable device.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

4K60 on a TV. It's like, yo, we're here, we can make this work with, with, with the, the power levels we need like and again, at the bare minimum, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be more powerful things, but I think the game should be made at this level and the artistry around it should like back that up. And I can't believe we're here. I can't believe I'm saying this about Nintendo right now, but I stand by it. And the Wii was not powerful enough. The Wii U debatably was powerful enough for what Nintendo was trying to do. And the Switch definitely was for the time it was at. But for being a modern system that is competing with the big boys. I think the Switch two, there's a lot of things holding, holding it back, but I think that it's better positioned currently to just be a market leader. The idea of Nintendo going third party, ha. What a fucking laugh. At this point that is never going to happen.

[Tim Gettys]

We'll see. But more importantly, I want to talk more about that Wii U. But first I'll remind you that we wouldn't be here without you support. Good said Wii U. I got it. It doesn't matter of course. Remember we're a small business. 11 people making video game content each and every day. If you like that, we'd love it if you picked up the kind of funny membership. Of course $10 gets you all of our shows ad free. That's more than 80amonth. Of course you would get every Greg way. That's 15 to 20 minutes of daily content from me adding up to a four hour long podcast every month. And of course you'd get good karma for supporting a business you like. So head over to patreon.com kindafunny YouTube.com kindafunnygames, Apple and Spotify to get your membership today. But guess what? You're not using your benefits right now. So here's a word from our sponsor.

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[Tim Gettys]

As I've hinted, the WWII U, the NX A big conversation point here. And when we really get you to drop your guard and come off the bench, that's when we start talking to the point that Vanguard Duelist 9 years ago Comment commented Colin is making valid points and Tim being slightly mad is hilarious. I find it funny when these guys are mad at each other. I think I personally cross the line. Kevin, can we watch clip one?

[Greg Miller]

To me he said nx, Nintendo Xbox.

[Tim Gettys]

No, I'm sorry. Clip later, I think. Right? Yeah, that's clip three. I need clip one. Thanks, Kev. No problem.

[Greg Miller]

It sure is my bad.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't worry about it. No, don't worry. I had them all lined up.

[Greg Miller]

That's my bad.

[Tim Gettys]

This thing sucks, you know, But I.

[Greg Miller]

Put for the people that like it, in which case they think it's awesome.

[Tim Gettys]

There'S but you all drank the Kool Aid. That's your fault.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I mean like every time I.

[Tim Gettys]

In 10 years you'll look back and be like, I can't find Believe I was Garbage Pile Sync controllers for let's plays was so fucking good and all.

[Greg Miller]

That shit's issues, but in 10 years, I'm still gonna be looking back at the good games and the good experience.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, you will. The games are not the console.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that's, that's true. But like still like I. When the games are made for the console and stuff, I tie it together. I don't. I mean like, I think like the last. Oh my God, it feels good to be right. Fuck.

[Tim Gettys]

The Wii suck. The Wii U suck. The games were fine. The games are good. I'm sorry. No, I'm not. I not talking shit about the games. The consoles suck.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, great. Congratulations. The console.

[Tim Gettys]

No one likes the Wii U. The games got ported to Switch. We all love them on Switch.

[Greg Miller]

That's okay, good. I was right. Then it's like, yeah, the games and consoles are intrinsically connected and aligned. Like that's no the Wii U games that every.

[Tim Gettys]

You think people love on the Wii U, they love on the Switch because they're Switch games.

[Greg Miller]

And that's my point. Like that I was fucking right. The games on the Wii U were amazing and time and time and time again. Nailed me.

[Tim Gettys]

We were talking about the consoles though.

[Greg Miller]

What the fuck does that mean? The console versus the games. You can't do that. Taking away a games like a console's library. You're not talking about the console experience, then the console itself, it's like what the fuck? Like so okay, just talk about the console when we talk about PlayStation 2. What are we talking about? Games you played on the PlayStation 2. Like this is the most anti Nintendo ass argument. That's how the energy always was with this shit. Like sure.

[Tim Gettys]

The freaking always been like this. Remember the library joke?

[Greg Miller]

Like exactly. The vast library. Like hey, here's, here's the thing. The Wii U, I've said this a million times, has such a better game library than the Vita. And here we are now with the Switch. Like I don't give a shit how you want to assign like console game, whatever. I'm not rocking for the Wii U for the as a console. I'm rocking for the Wii U for the games on that console. Which is how I think back to generations. The Wii U generation of Nintendo had amazing games. And I was fucking right. Because now they're selling tens of millions of copies on a re release, getting critically acclaimed. 9 out of 10 here, 9 out of 10 there, 8.5 here, 8.5 there. Boom, boom, boom. Not every single one. Well, guess what? No consoles library has that. None ever. God, this Is fucking validating. I'm still getting the same shit out. Look. Wii U Pro controller. A freaking abomination. You. You tell you bitching about syncing it. Who cares? Don't even wanted to freaking use that stuff, you know, but, like, the Dual Shock three sucked ass too. But, like, we don't look at the plate when we talk about PlayStation 3. We talk about Uncharted. You know, both of them did.

[Tim Gettys]

Dual Factory was fine. It's fine.

[Greg Miller]

It was fine. It's fine. It was fine. It wasn't good. 6 Asset access did suck, though. When we talk about PlayStation 3, sure, we get to the point of talking about those things, but we lead with Tomo. Metal Gear Solid 3.

[Tim Gettys]

No, 4. PlayStation. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Just help me.

[Greg Miller]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You're right.

[Tim Gettys]

You were cooking the entire time. So, yeah, no one's gonna fault you for not taking the landing. I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

I honestly, I. This is so goddamn validated because I talk about Nintendo forever. It was just like during that time, I was playing Mario Kart 8 and Tropical Freeze and Mario 3D World, and everyone's just like, oh, man, the Nintendo Wii U sucks. And it's just like, all right, y' all, here we are.

[Tim Gettys]

Turned out, had pretty good games. Turned out. It's a pretty good games there.

[Greg Miller]

It did. And now you can play him with great control.

[Tim Gettys]

Congratulations, Tim. Congratulations. I'm proud of you on that one. I thought you might like that. A little vindication.

[Greg Miller]

I do. I really do.

[Tim Gettys]

Then I thought this one was super fun. There's no clip for this one, but you asked basically about who else might. Would anybody else enter the console market? Right. And you specifically call out Amazon and Activision. That was the ones you wanted to know about. I said, for Amazon. They for sure will. They will for sure. Colin thought it might be imminent, but he was more hung up on the fact they were hiring, which of course turned out to be more for publishing slash, developing games going on that way. But I was like, no, they're going to make their own thing. I thought it was going to go the Ouya route of it exists and people don't really care. And to some degree, you maybe could loop Luna in here. We're doing Luna. But no, it's not rocking the boat. I mean, it's making a big.

[Greg Miller]

I would loop that in for sure. It was in a way that we weren't ready to understand with the cloud gaming stuff, but that was there. If we count Stadia as a console, Luna. Luna is too.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, both Colin and I thought that nobody else would enter the console market from there on out, which I don't know how you want to.

[Greg Miller]

I mean Stadia did.

[Tim Gettys]

Sure, sure I was going to go with Steam but like Steam Deck which is a PC but it is a thing, blah blah. And more than anything leads to. More than anything leads to clip number three which I think is an interesting conversation. We're talking about Microsoft, Nintendo partnering and what would happen if Nintendo just left and became a third party publisher.

[Greg Miller]

Kevin just texted me, he said nx, Nintendo Xbox.

[Tim Gettys]

If Kevin's right, everybody remember this episode. Now it's funny though like you talk about to the three failing. I always thought it would be the three failing. Like I thought Steam had the right idea and if I think Steambox could have been their first step towards putting everyone out of business and it wasn't because they overcomplicated it.

[Greg Miller]

Well, they don't want to make hardware right?

[Tim Gettys]

Here's 14 versions of a Steambox like well no, fuck, that's not what people wanted.

[Greg Miller]

I don't blame them.

[Tim Gettys]

They need an easy solution. I'm just saying what could have happened they that could have been the unified platform if you would have done it this time, put it in down, gotten people behind it and then slowly built on it so the third generation is accessible and easy and everyone can understand it. Yeah, I wonder, yeah, Steam was, I think that's an interesting one of a conversation on what could have been but then also 10 years later what will be.

[Greg Miller]

And I think it's extra fascinating to put ourselves in that time and place where to this day we bring up the Steam machines, right? The Steam boxes and all that stuff that was happening right then, that was our last year at IGN like covering.

[Tim Gettys]

That stuff nine years ago. The comment here, PC is the future, past and present of gaming Master Race. That was Django Fett nine years ago in the comments of that video Zelda's Champion nine years ago. PC will eventually be the unified council at some point. And now we sit here, we talk about Xbox Game Pass on PC, we talk about PlayStation bringing their games over to PC. And I think it's so interesting that I felt at the time that they were out of the game because of how they handled Steambox which was originally conceptually when it leaked or got rumored was that Valve is gonna make their own PC and it's going to be you turn it on and you get to go play games and it isn't this. And then they put out a whole bunch of different skus and it was just here's a bunch of people we've partnered with to make more PCs.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And now you jump 10 years here to where we are. And it's again based solely on the fact that as we argue throughout this thing of if Nintendo needs to worry about iterating on hardware, don't worry about that iterate with games. The fact that we're talking about Steam in this way is because of the success of the nx which becomes a Nintendo Switch, which then leads to the Steam deck.

[Greg Miller]

I don't think it does.

[Tim Gettys]

You don't think so?

[Greg Miller]

I don't think it's that like real talk. Like the Steam deck is I think a bigger factor for this conversation in ten years from now. Like I think that the Steam deck is a incredibly important device and moment and it's going to over time change gaming habits and the way that a big portion of gamers interact with their hobby. I think that the fact of the matter is Steam's more on the PC and cloud side and the Steam library side and PCs becoming a lot more ubiquitous and easy to get a lot. Like you don't need an Alienware top of the line dedicated PC you're buying to play games. Any computer plays games. Even Macs have kind of made a lot of advancement there, like laptops, like really, really basic laptops can play most games via cloud services that can play any game. Yeah, I think that the Steam deck is a very, very, very minuscule part of that equation and that's going to change over time. The numbers are still there. We're talking about less than 4 million of these things in the wild. You add the Raj, Ally and the XYZ and all the other, you know, Lenovo's and all that stuff. I'm being incredibly, incredibly generous here. We're talking about less than 10 million. The Wii U had 13 million and we clowned it the fuck out. Like that's not that big of a factor all things considered. But you add on it being a way to play Steam games In addition to PCs, in addition to laptops. Like everything's a Steam box, right? If everything's an Xbox, everything's a Steam. So I think that's where Steam kind of is the winner from that perspective and PC gaming has won out because I think everything's kind of just become more PC at the bottom of it all.

[Tim Gettys]

Interesting. Yeah. I think I'm so skewed by my own personal preferences and what I see and the way my gaming habits have changed, I think overnight, way Too much. Cause I've had the Steam deck for so long. But in the past year of using the Steam deck now having the Rog Ally and being so addicted to it today, like a telling, perhaps chilling moment in our lives here.

[Greg Miller]

Kind of funny that is true.

[Tim Gettys]

Where you walked in and you're like, hey, does your PlayStation have Expedition 33 on it? And I was like, I don't think so. I think I remember deleting it, but my Xbox should. And I turned on my Xbox at my desk and it did. Because I want to make sure I can game anywhere. So I have the Xbox play anywhere version of Expedition 33 on the Xbox and on my Rog Ally so that I can take my save back and forth in the same way I thought I was doing outer worlds. But that's a conversation for a different time. In the same way I have blueprints on there and all these things where it's like that ease of use, that ability to be linked up is more powerful to me than trophies are. At least at this point.

[Greg Miller]

Trophies are like, at this point one of the final kind of factors on why you'd want to play on a for you PlayStation specific thing. Because even then I think another big enhancement for the PlayStation is the DualSense and what the unique opportunities that it brings. And a lot of those things are. Now you can plug your DualSense into a PC so you could play these games on PC. With the DualSense, you're getting kind of the best of everything. Except for the trophy support, which I do wonder if they're ever going to integrate in a cleaner way. And with PlayStation making such a big step into the PC side of things with literally porting their games. Uncharted. 10 years ago we would have. Ben, like, we would have laughed you out of the room if we're going to tell you that Uncharted and Last of Us are on PC and God of War and Spider Man.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, Trophy's already happening, right? So it's like, you know, you can get them on some games, right? Ghost was the first to do it. Right? Correct me if I'm wrong, commenters, not this. So I think eventually PlayStation has all that sorted out.

[Greg Miller]

But again, for the third parties, that's what I'm saying. It's like there are levels that we're getting to of like, I just don't know if we're ever like even right now. For as amazing as things are, cross play, cross progression. Like, it sucks that Tony Hawk 3 and 4 is coming out in a Couple months and it's cross play and that's awesome. There's no chance it's going to be cross progression. You know, it's Xbox play anywhere or whatever. It's like. But I want to play that game. I want the Platinum for that, you know, and it's like such a silly, dumb little thing for me. But I am going to get that game on PlayStation because I want the Platinum even though I should probably get it on Xbox so I can play it on all of my devices.

[Tim Gettys]

Yay. I understand. Yeah. It's interesting how I look down that line and it's like you bring up Tony Hawk 3 +4 and it's like, sure, you can toss the kid into the conversation how limited my free time is, but it's like I don't see me get. I think you'll get your platinum. Will happen your next platinum happen before mine. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Well, it'll be Tony Hawk.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. And that's the thing where it's just like this year there's nothing. I mean like I guess Ghost. Yeah. Like Yote. I'd. I'd like to platinum. But like, yeah, I have a feeling I'll beat Ghost of Yotan. I'll be on to the next review and the next thing and whatever and then I'll be on a trip and it's like, well, I want to play. What I want to play on the plane and I can't do that with ghosts. I'll be playing this.

[Greg Miller]

I know that this is a bit of a tangent, but just to kind of like put a show. I've never heard a bow on this trophy conversation and I do think that we have an embarrassment of riches right now when it comes to quality video games from small indies all the way up to the most triple A and an embarrassment of abilities and ways to play to suit your style and needs. Whether it is via the cloud, on a remote play, PS Portal, like the fact that advice even exists is crazy. Whether it's Steam Deck, whether It's your laptop TVs and all of this and you have to make your the choices of for each game what you want to do. I played Expedition 33 Majority on Steam Deck, otherwise on my TV via my beefy PC. And that was an awesome experience. But I don't think I'm going to complete all of the post game stuff because I'm not getting trophies and is that interesting? Sure. But if this was on PlayStation I'd be like pretty heavily considering if not actively pursuing that Platinum. That's a personal thing. For me. But I don't think I'm going to be alone in that. Of like certain things mean more to people about elements of these games. And I love that we're in a place where I get to make that choice. As a consumer of For Expedition, it was more important for me to literally be able to take it on the go on the Steam deck. And I love that decision. You know what I mean? Like we're talking about like my game of the year right now. And sure I didn't platinum it, but it doesn't matter. Like I was able to play this amazing game on the go and then play it in even higher settings at home. Like that flexibility is something going back to what we're talking about here.

[Tim Gettys]

For me it's like that's the number one bullet point now where that bullet point which wasn't even in 10 years ago a thought let alone now it trumps everything. If I can just take it back and forth. Right. It's back to doing this re review of the Outer Worlds. Remember of course we're re reviewing the Outer Worlds the Friday before the week of SGF that you could. We can play it all month in May and then do that review and then be ready for the Outer Worlds 2 presentation at Xbox. Right. But even though I was incorrect about it, it was the idea when I started I'm gonna start new Outer World save I have it on PlayStation but I was like I'm gonna go do Xbox because I thought of course I could do play anywhere. It turns out it's not a play anywhere title. But then it turns out I have the S in that travel screen. So I was all set and so now it's at home where I'm either playing it on my giant TV or playing it with remote play via the ROG which I could do with PlayStation but I didn't know at the time. Yeah but like again the idea of having that in Outer Worlds 2 is a no brainer that that's going to be played on Xbox because I want to be able to get that everywhere. And again, I think even moving beyond that, beyond you get into this conversation with me where it's like I'm talking all the time now about well I'm playing it on the ROG with Xbox playing anywhere. And that way I can when I come home just turn on the Xbox and I'm ready to go in 4k or whatever. Right. We really are that thing of then okay, cool. Well when do I just hook up the PC to the TV and Forget about it. And then it's just I'm playing it on Steam or Xbox or whatever but it's not Xbox. Isn't the solution. Play anywhere kind of falls away and it's just. I'm just playing my Steam games everywhere.

[Greg Miller]

I'm about to say something that people are going to be mad at me about.

[Tim Gettys]

You. I'm mad at you.

[Greg Miller]

Absolutely crazy stuff.

[Tim Gettys]

Have you heard we're milquetoast. We all say the same thing all the time.

[Greg Miller]

I stand by this as somebody that has the privilege and luxury of caring a lot about tech and having the most utmost crazy experience playing video games and watching movies and all the stuff that matters so much to me. And I am able to via sponsorships, via my hard earned money, via opportunities to get codes and consoles and stuff like combination of all these things. I do have a home theater that I keep up to date as much as I can and I invest in and I play games in a way that I have surround sound. So I am hearing and experiencing Dolby Atmos. The way that these games are being mixed like yeah, there's just levels to this shit where it's like I don't just have a surround sound headset on. It's like I am getting the developers.

[Tim Gettys]

This is what you're their dream case.

[Greg Miller]

Exactly. And I know that that is like the slimmest percentage of all this of gamers. I have a beefy ass computer. Beefy as hell. It is not. I don't have a 5090. I'm not that it's not the brand new cutting edge this year but it's really, really, really really good. I also have a PS5 Pro. So I'm. I am the. And I have an Xbox series X and I have a switch to pre ordered. I have the ability and I have a Steam deck oled. I have the ability to do all and I have a PlayStation portal.

[Tim Gettys]

Literally it is like he's got it all.

[Greg Miller]

An embarrassment of literal riches here where I can play any game, any way that it could be played. So what choices am I making? And I find it very interesting of like when a game's coming up like Doom, what am I going to play doom on Expedition 33 what am I going to play that on? And south of Midnight I've been really thinking about like what are my use cases and where would I go to different places, when and why. Yeah and I've been making a concerted effort recently. What's up Tim?

[Tim Gettys]

Just be careful. Sometimes you make, you make the choice and you're like, this is the right choice. And then suddenly it's the wrong choice.

[Greg Miller]

And your version of the game is broken. Kevin.

[Tim Gettys]

Kevin had really bad. A blueprints bug and he lost dozens upon dozens of hours. I can't. I can't even.

[Greg Miller]

But I've been trying to. To make the concerted effort of, like, I just. Like you just said, why don't I just hook my PC up to the tv? Go full PC?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

This, the Steam big picture modes there, Xbox play anywhere. Like, all that stuff like this should be better and easier than ever. And I'll have more options to tweak. I understand the majority of them. If I don't, I have resources like Andy and Roger.

[Tim Gettys]

God bless Andy.

[Greg Miller]

We can figure this all out. And in my experience playing Expedition 33, it's like, I love that I did that for the Steam Deck stuff. I wish I played it on PlayStation. Otherwise, like, I don't see myself switching over to the PC.

[Tim Gettys]

And that's why I don't either.

[Greg Miller]

I like too many little issues.

[Tim Gettys]

I love my console because I turned. Turn my console on and it plays the game and the best it can play it. And Steam Deck is the. All right. Andy, like Expedition, where I handed it to him, like, can you make this look as good as you can? He came back and handed to me and I was like, great. That's why I'm fine with that. And then I'm fine with a lesser experience in the handheld while I'm moving. And then of course, when I come home, I want to play on the giant TV with the beautiful picture. But again, right now with that, for me, turnkey, easiest possible, lowest barrier of entry. It means Xbox, which is great and I'm loving it. It's crazy to be like, super invested in Xbox all of a sudden, but it's a brave new world for me.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Again, very privileged place for me to be. But I do think that it provides a perspective that I. When all things are equal, I can play it anywhere. Where do I play it and why? Yeah, and a big part of the why is, is it worth the hassles that come up? And for me, I still think I'm at a point and I want to prove myself wrong. I want to push through this, but I'm still at a point that I prefer the console experience. Like, even if it's lesser than and all of that, like, I just think that it's still presented in a way that I would prefer to just get into the game and play.

[Tim Gettys]

I want to bring In a few comments that we either need to take to task or pat on the back for being right on the goddamn money. All right, your first one comes from Otaku Crush Crash. Otaku Crash. But they spelled crash funny. I think in 10 to 15 years. This is from nine, 10 years ago. With the rise of super fast Internet spreading more globally, gaming will be entirely online. This will allow devices to play games far, far beyond their specifications by streaming from remote supercomputers. This is what Square Enix is trying to do with Shinra. VR will fail, but normal gaming experiences will become more immersive.

[Greg Miller]

Mr. Otaku crushed it, right? This is exactly what is happening. Oh yeah, there you go. There wasn't even trying to play on the first part. This is what happened. And you know, for forever people are like, tim, like you're a coastal elite. Like you have good Internet. What about the middle of America? And it's just like. Well, the developers and stuff either don't give a fuck or it seems to be working out. Like, I get that for us it's way better. We've got big cloud adopters and loving it because we do have blazing fast Internet. But I think that it is in a very real way. We see the numbers, we see the amount of different subscription services that have worked. So many didn't. Stadia did not work. Right. We all know that. But Stadia walked so that GeForce now can run, so that Xbox, xCloud, all of that can run like they are running. They are very viable ways to play these games. I want to give a shout out to GeForce now ultimate in particular. I don't know if you have experienced this yet, Greg, but like, it's a pretty pricey subscription Service. It's like $20 a month for GeForce Now. But it is just a cloud gaming thing. But you were running it on a essentially top of the line PC.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

And a lot of my time playing Expedition 33 was on my Steam Deck via GeForce Now.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh really?

[Greg Miller]

And whenever I had Internet access and even when I was at hotels and stuff and the Internet wasn't perfect, I'm still getting like top of the line ass images from this game. The experience blew my mind. I can boot it up on via my MacBook on my computer with my super ultra wide monitor. And it was Expedition 33 running flawlessly. Wow. And yeah, you're making some concessions. There is still that like kind of like fuzzy barn door look just a little bit. Not everything is perfectly sharp.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

But I think that it is like, more than worth it for how much frames per second you're gaining back and the resolution overall, you're gaining back. I think an incredibly important thing to note for where we're at right now on May 12, 2025, and where we're going to be May 12, 2026, is the adoption of Starlink, which is the Elon back. So obviously this not the way I'd want all this to happen, but that Internet is an incredibly interesting development of having these low orbital satellites providing incredibly fast WI fi everywhere. And as of two days ago, United flights are starting to adopt this. And like, literally, Greg, two days ago, the first flights went off with it. And they're about to, for the. Over the course of this next year, get that onto every single United flight. That's just where they're starting. I'm sure it's going to go to other flights. Free Internet, you don't have to pay for this gate to gate. You don't need to wait till you get up to 10,000ft or whatever. And the speeds are so insane, people are able to cloud stream games. Wow. On flights. Think about the PlayStation portal on flight. It's a game changer. Like, and that's the type of thing of like, sure. Is it going to work great out the gate? All the stuff it's like. I think we're at the point that, as I said earlier, casting it works. The idea of streaming a game on a plane is still. I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah, let's check in a year from now, I think. I think we're going to be incredibly surprised at what Starlink's going to do for solving the issues of. What about Middle of America?

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, interesting. Extra Goddess 10 years ago left a comment. They throw out the VR. I'm sorry, they throw out the VR idea out the window right away. Which is hilarious since every company is investing in that right now. Who's laughing Now? Extra Goddess? Who's laughing now? I like this one from.

[Greg Miller]

Whoa.

[Tim Gettys]

Josh. I think we might be seeing the first hints of games that use neural manipulation to create worlds in. In 10 to 15 years.

[Greg Miller]

Wow. Right? That's kind of nuts that. It's not entirely off, but it's a little darker than kind of expected there. Using the AI, Right. And like AI based on neural technology to kind of simulate what they're. What Woe was talking about here.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I think he. He probably means word. You think that. Is that the neural manipulation you think this person's talking about?

[Greg Miller]

I think it's A little bit colon A, column B. I'm sure they were.

[Tim Gettys]

Just talking about like the neural implants and yeah, all that stuff.

[Greg Miller]

So like not quite that but I mean we have seen a lot of different technologies that I would give them the point for on like think about that eye tracking technology we've seen and all that stuff. Like there's. We have seen a lot of advancements in that and they're just implemented into gaming in different ways.

[Tim Gettys]

And then the one I want to pull here is from DM13 10 years ago wrote in and said in 10 years I think I've get. I think I've given up on gaming. I'm not a fan of where the industry has come. Finding myself drawn to simpler times and hitting the retro scene.

[Greg Miller]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I. I feel like everyone forever has always and will always fondly look back on how things used to be. But if you go back and literally can watch yourselves talk about how things used to be. Yeah, some things that the we're bitching about is different but we're bitching, you know. And I think that it's very funny to look at where we're at now. I. The industry has never been in a worse place. It's also never been in a better place. It's like, that's like such a. It's. It's not one to one. The things we're talking about and comparing and I, you know, we don't need to go back to this but the idea of the Switch or the Wii U sucked. The Wii U games were awesome. What's that mean for the Wii U? You know. And I feel like, yeah, the state of the industry and people being laid off and the consolidations and all this is absolutely fucking horrible. But amazing video games are coming out every week on every level of scale. Like it's. And you can play them in more places than ever. Like in more ways than ever. It's rough, man.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm just giggling because you took this to such a serious place. DM13 said in 10 years I think I'd given up on gaming. I'm not a fan of where the industry has come. Finding myself drawn to simpler times and hitting the retro scenes. I wanted to let you know that 10 years later DM13 has given up on modern gaming. DM13 twitch streams and youtubes and just does retro stuff. No way their Twitch bio reads streaming games from the 1980s through the 2010s before games were services and we played for fun. Come chat Relive memories and discover forgotten gems. I appreciate your time and support.

[Greg Miller]

DM13, you're a legend. That is absolutely incredible.

[Tim Gettys]

The YouTube description is video games peaked with Xbox 360 and PS3. Let's celebrate that.

[Greg Miller]

That's so. Yeah, fucking funny.

[Tim Gettys]

All right, DM13, I'm glad you, I'm glad you're you committed to your thing and you got a thing going on. You got a bit.

[Greg Miller]

So. Okay, like, I apologize if I'm being annoying about a lot of the points I'm making and connecting them and going in circles here, but I truly stand by the fact that there's something here them saying that games peaked in the Xbox 360 and PS3. Clearly that's not true in every single way possible. But I do think it is true in terms of how far we need to push. Sorry, how. Where we need to kind of start the oh, a game can be an all time great in 2025 with this level of technology.

[Tim Gettys]

Sure.

[Greg Miller]

And I do think it's somewhere around there. If The Last of Us 1 can come out on PlayStation 3 and be remade 15 times on every generation, you can still go back to. Well, the game ran and was amazing and looked phenomenal and all of that stuff on the PlayStation 3 you look over to like where the switch is at, like all of that, that level of graphics, that level of, hey, here's our technical limitations, but can you make a banger? And the answer is yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Across so many different things. I think that there's a lot of just basic tech that has to be kept in mind, like 4K, which is a standard of TVs at this point. So sure, you can't get that on certain consoles and whatever. But with where at now with the switch to entering the fray, with the Steam deck rising in popularity and the ability to play Steam games in different ways, I think that the base level of game development is going to go back to a better place. That makes me very hopeful that we'll see more Expedition 33 and we'll see more of these like types of games that are scalable. But the baseline doesn't need to be pushing the PS5 to its absolute edge. You know what I mean?

[Tim Gettys]

No. 100%.

[Greg Miller]

I don't know if I'm making sense with this, but you totally are.

[Tim Gettys]

And it makes sense to what you're talking about now, like piggybacking off of this goofy question, not goofy, but you know, comment of like, what is good enough? Right? What is good enough? That this is where it is. And I think, you know, even for. To tie it back to me in this episode from 10 years ago, starting it right. The first thing, I think, prettier games for sure. Right. Even then it was like, well, yeah, is there gonna be a new we. We. I forget how we phrased it, but it was. We have a conversation about, like, they're not. What. A new what. What is there a new genre or the genre. You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

Like, what.

[Tim Gettys]

What can games do? A matured platform, a mature, you know, diverse lineup of games. What does that look like? And it needs to be the ideas and the delivery method. We're talking about really changing.

[Greg Miller]

And what's so exciting about that is I. It's funny you say that. I remember these, These. This conversation to us. I remember having it and us talking about, like, genres and like, yeah, that's the type of thing where, yeah, if we were on that desk to come up with a new genre, we'd be millionaires. Like, it's like that. That is like such an insane thing. But we do look back at the last 10 years and like, I think that those three guys would be very surprised at the genres that are the number one existing. Like the idea of a battle royale. You know, sure, at that point, maybe we were getting glimpses and hints of it somewhere. But for how that genre or sub genre matured. Right. The hero shooter. Like, yes, we might be talking about variations of something that already exists, but, you know, Mario was a 2D platformer. There was a lot of other 2D platformers that eventually turned into 3D platformers. But, like, they're not all the same. You know, there's like sub genres within to kind of like, kind of. We. We joked. I mean, the time of us recording that video, I think is peak of what is an rpg. RPG elements are just in everything. And I think that at a certain point is like, what is a shooter? Shooter elements are just in everything. Yeah, and I'm blanking right now, but, like, there are, I think, a lot of new genres that did form here's.

[Tim Gettys]

I wouldn't even go as far as a genre. But even if we could go back in time, open that door and talk to them, like, if I could talk to myself then and be like, yo, you know how Bloodborne came out two months ago? That is going to. That. That. That is a vein that is going to be pumping out hit after hit after. It's gonna. Eventually, it's gonna win in the next decade. It's gonna win game of the year. Some people argue it should win game of the year this year. Like that is the thing. Like the obtuse. It's hard and it's punishing. People fucking are gonna love that shit.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I think about when Sam. This is such an old story, but I was, you know, running the PlayStation team. Freelance, at least. I forget. Maybe Roper was still there, but either. Whatever. I remember when Sam Bishop filed his review for Demon Souls, Demon's Souls, and gave it a nine or something higher. Maybe a nine flat and maybe even higher. And I remember, like double taking. When I got the copy, I was like. Of this game we farmed out to Freelance is a nine. Like reading thing. Like, what are you talking about? You know, like the thing that nobody. Oh, this seemed popular. Whatever. Somebody go do it. What is this?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I mean, and then Roguelites, right?

[Tim Gettys]

Sure.

[Greg Miller]

There's just so many things where it's like, okay, like, they existed before 2015, but it's like, not like this. But not like this. Not like, not like where it is like a, A, A feature that if it's not like. I. I don't know, man. It's like, it's different. The levels to this are just so damn different. But it's. I. I'm incredibly impressed with the last 10 years of games, and I think that an argument can be made that they. They peaked before this 10 years in terms of what they need to be or whatever. But I do think that the last 10 years, in so many ways, I'm like, God damn, dude. Even if we're at the point, like, it all goes back to what you first said, games are gonna be prettier. And they sure are. Like, we look at PS5 in this generation, and I know so many people are just like, oh, the PS4 was so much better than the PS5. Whatever. It's like, I look at it, I'm like, I've loved so many PS5 experiences. Could I have also played them on PS4?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, load times would have sucked.

[Greg Miller]

But that's just where we're at with this. It's like the what? Again, just more flexibility on where and how you play the games. And I love that I got to play God of War Ragnarok on my PS5, and it made my PS5 worth it to me. Yeah, but it doesn't mean that the PS5 has a exclusive lineup. I think that the conversation about exclusives, if we were to do this episode again now that we would be talking about what exclusives look like on PlayStation and Nintendo and Xbox and Steam in 10 years and we're already kind of at that point that it's already not the same.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, it's funny you bring that up Tim, because all this begs the question, where will video games be in 10 years? That's right. We are going to file another video game time capsule next week. Is a kind of funny games cast. That way we can get everybody together, we can all come in here locked and loaded. You can think about it, of course. Look for that on the schedule for next week. Probably you understand sgf, but embargoes. There's a million things moving, but that's where I've penciled it in. I'm hopeful that that happens. But maybe it happens after sgf, maybe not. We'll figure it out. It's coming. Start thinking about what you think is going to happen. We'll get some questions out there maybe. Remember, you can always check out the kind of funny schedule for what's coming up. Joey Noel publishes it each and every Sunday, maybe Monday morning on Patreon, but you can get it for free on YouTube I believe as well over there as a post, so don't worry about it. But Tim, congratulations on making it 10 years.

[Greg Miller]

Thank you. Congratulations to you as well.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean we're filming that. I was like there's no way like I, you know, you do a question like that, you don't even think about your act. I wrote down or you know, where we're gonna be in 10 years. And I put 2035 next to it.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

To sit here and think about the fact that we'll probably be here in 10 years.

[Greg Miller]

We will, dude.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm sure my 13 year old son will be here to tell us straight up. You know what I mean?

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I, I honestly I, I really do believe that and I was given a thought to this recently, like how special it is for us that. Sure. I was watching your, your PAX east panel with, with Ben Starr that as.

[Tim Gettys]

Coming this week as a kind of funny podcast.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. Highly recommend everyone listen to it.

[Tim Gettys]

It will be on the kind of funny podcast on Thursday.

[Greg Miller]

I think it's so special that you have all your IGN reviews that you can like go back to and look at it like clearly I have read them and put you a place in time or whatever. But, but the fact of the matter is from 10 years ago when I was 25 till now and forevermore I'll be able to at a later date go back and watch a video of my thoughts on Breath of the Wild for The first time on Celeste for the first time.

[Tim Gettys]

That's another one where it's like.

[Greg Miller]

That's my point. Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Where it's like. Yeah. For this Outer Worlds review, I'm excited to go back and listen to the gamescast we did about Outer Worlds because I remember reviewing it when I was playing, you know, at home with. I remember Lucy and Jen on the couch behind me while I was finishing it. It. So I'm excited to see what I thought because I don't. I mean I remember I know what I think of it now, but I don't remember what I talked about there and then. It's the same thing of the other yesterday. Right. I was talking to Jen about something Ben had said or done or whatever. Oh. I pulled up, we. Jen mistakenly bought hot peppers for dinner and so she thought it was a shishito. Yeah. Right. And she bit into it. It was not. And so then it was. I ate one in front of Ben because he was so excited to see me eat one and it wasn't bad. So then I showed him the hot pepper gaming video.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And so many questions about this. Why is dad in a bat suit? What's going on? And it was that conversation. Exactly. It was a conversation of man. Like you think about it. But now we're to the point where it's happening. Where it's like Ben can go look at. I remember being obsessed with my parents yearbooks.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

To see them young and try to understand that they had a life before me. And like anytime Ben wants just thousands of hours of nonsense to go find.

[Greg Miller]

Love it.

[Tim Gettys]

We'll find out though. This has been a fun trip down memory lane and it only happened because of you and your support of independent games content creators. Thank you for that. If you had a good time now or 10 years ago, why not consider going over to patreon.com kindafunny YouTube.com kindafunnygames, Spotify or Apple to pick up the Kinda Funny membership. Get all of our shows ad free. Get good karma for supporting a small business and of course, get a daily dose of me, Greg Miller in a series I call Greg Way. No bucks tossed away. No big deal. Like subscribe, share, comment, tell your friends. Ring the bell. You know all the things you can do for free to help us get the show to more people. Until next time, it's been our pleasure to serve you.