What Will Gaming Be Like In 10 Years? (2035 Edition) - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: What Will Gaming Be Like In 10 Years? (2035 Edition)

Release Date: May 22, 2025

In this insightful episode of the Kinda Funny Gamescast, hosts Tim Gettys, Greg “GameOverGreggy” Miller, Blessing Adeoye, and Andy Cortez delve deep into the future of the gaming industry, projecting trends and developments that could shape gaming by 2035. The discussion is rich with predictions, reflections on past forecasts, and thoughtful analysis of current industry movements.

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1. Reflecting on Past Predictions

Greg Miller opens the conversation by referencing the podcast's 10-year anniversary, revisiting their 2015 episode where they speculated about the state of gaming in 2025. This retrospective sets the stage for evaluating how accurate their previous predictions were and what they might anticipate for the next decade.

• Greg Miller (07:06): “Last week, the impossible happened. We hit the 10-year anniversary of the Kinda Funny Gamescast.”

2. Dominance of Nintendo

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Nintendo's anticipated continued dominance in the gaming sector. The hosts agree that Nintendo's strategic choices, particularly with the success of the Switch, position them well for sustained leadership.

• Andy Cortez (10:24): “I think that Nintendo is going to continue to remain dominant and I think that their level of domination is only going to increase.”

Greg Miller echoes this sentiment, highlighting Nintendo's unique position and questioning their future console iterations.

• Greg Miller (10:28): “What's hilarious is when we go back to watching and talking about 10 years ago, we kept talking about the NX. We didn't even know what Switch one was yet.”

3. The Rise of PC and Cloud Gaming

Snowback Mike and Andy Cortez discuss the burgeoning landscape of PC and cloud gaming, predicting a shift where PCs become more favored, especially among younger gamers who seek flexibility and a broader selection of games beyond console exclusives.

• Snowback Mike (10:58): “A piece of me thinks that we'll see a rise and more of a push towards PC gaming.”

Tim Gettys expands on this by emphasizing advancements in cloud gaming platforms like Nvidia GeForce Now, foreseeing a future where gaming is seamlessly integrated into various devices without the need for dedicated consoles.

• Tim Gettys (13:37): “I think we'll see a huge push [for cloud gaming], and multiplying that by 10 for the next 10 years.”

4. AI Upscaling and Game Development

The conversation shifts to the impact of Artificial Intelligence on game development, particularly AI upscaling, which promises to enhance game graphics and performance beyond current capabilities. Tim Gettys envisions AI enabling high-fidelity graphics and more efficient game production processes.

• Tim Gettys (17:47): “AI upscaling is going to continue to be ridiculous and make the impossible possible.”

Additionally, the hosts speculate on smaller tech companies leveraging AI to innovate within the gaming space, potentially disrupting established players.

5. Augmented Reality (AR) and Wearables

Andy Cortez and Snowback Mike explore the future of Augmented Reality (AR) and Extended Reality (XR), predicting significant advancements in wearable technology that could integrate gaming more seamlessly into daily life. They contrast this with the less favorable outlook on Virtual Reality (VR), suggesting that AR will become more practical and widely adopted.

• Andy Cortez (19:46): “I give it literally two years from now... to have gigantic OLED screens in your glasses giving you any heads-up display stuff that you want.”

6. Evolution of Consoles: The Big Three

The hosts analyze the future of the "Big Three" console manufacturers: Nintendo, PlayStation, and Xbox. They predict that all three will continue to exist but will evolve significantly, adapting to new technological trends and consumer preferences.

• Andy Cortez (21:26): “All three of the big three currently will still have consoles out in 10 years.”

Greg Miller raises questions about potential new entrants and the evolution of existing consoles, considering factors like dual-booting capabilities and cross-platform integration.

• Greg Miller (22:29): “Will PlayStation exist? Will Xbox exist? Will Nintendo exist? I think yes, across the board.”

7. Future of Game Franchises

A substantial part of the discussion focuses on major game franchises and their trajectories over the next decade:

a. Grand Theft Auto (GTA) Series

Andy Cortez expresses skepticism about GTA 6 meeting the colossal expectations set for it but remains optimistic about its overall success.

• Andy Cortez (58:44): “GTA 6 lives up to the hype... in the reality of what we should possibly be expecting from a video game, I do think it's going to live up to it.”

Snowback Mike adds that GTA Online will likely be the mainstay, continually receiving expansive updates and maintaining player engagement.

• Snowback Mike (58:47): “Can GTA Online live up to the hype? I think the answer to that is yes.”

b. Elder Scrolls and Bethesda

The hosts anticipate that Elder Scrolls 6 will strive to meet fan expectations but acknowledge challenges in evolving the franchise's narrative depth and gameplay mechanics.

• Snowback Mike (54:03): “We just want them to grow with us into 2035 and beyond. Will they do that or will they just always be a Bethesda game?”

c. Hideo Kojima and Shigeru Miyamoto

Hideo Kojima is predicted to remain a pivotal figure in game development, continuously creating innovative titles and potentially expanding into other media like film.

• Snowback Mike (69:02): “Hideo Kojima is still making games and we are looking at fizzing two ten years from now and we are getting excited.”

In contrast, Shigeru Miyamoto is expected to retire by 2035, with his direct involvement in game development ceasing, though his influence will persist.

• Andy Cortez (72:09): “Is he still making video games? No, he's moved on to theme parks and movies.”

8. Future of Gaming Events

The role and format of major gaming events like Summer Game Fest (SGF) and The Game Awards are scrutinized. The hosts predict that while The Game Awards will remain a premier event, Summer Game Fest might evolve or split into multiple events to adapt to the changing landscape.

• Greg Miller (63:47): “I think Summer Game Fest is still around. I think Game Awards is still this premier event.”

Snowback Mike envisions a shift away from single, mandatory attendance periods towards more flexible, company-driven event schedules.

• Snowback Mike (65:57): “We don't think we're strapping headsets onto our heads in 10 years off. You know that is right.”

9. The Impact of Generative AI

Concluding the episode, the hosts address concerns about generative AI in gaming. They deliberate whether AI will enhance or detract from the gaming experience, drawing parallels to past technological trends like NFTs.

• Tim Gettys (76:56): “It's gonna keep ramping up. I think it's gonna continue to get its foothold and you'll see more and more people out of jobs.”

Andy Cortez concurs, suggesting a growing divide between creative talents and corporate implementations of AI.

• Andy Cortez (78:06): “We don't want that. We're not agreeing to do anything like that.”

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Conclusion

The Kinda Funny Gamescast episode offers a comprehensive exploration of the future of gaming, blending optimism with cautious predictions. From Nintendo's enduring dominance and the rise of cloud gaming to the transformative potential of AI and AR, the hosts provide a multifaceted view of what gamers might expect by 2035. While major franchises like GTA and Elder Scrolls are poised to evolve, the industry must navigate the challenges posed by technological advancements and shifting consumer preferences. As always, the future remains as unpredictable as it is exciting, and only time will reveal which predictions come to fruition.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisement segments and non-content discussions to maintain focus on the core conversation topics.

Transcript

[Tim Gettys]

Foreign.

[Greg Miller]

What's up everybody? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Thursday, May 22, 2025. I'm one of your hosts, Greg Miller, alongside Forbes 30 under 30, aka the second best baby booze in San Francisco. Aka the runner up of Kind of Funny Game Showdown season three at Tim Gettys.

[Andy Cortez]

Let Tim host.

[Greg Miller]

Next to him is the master of hype, Snowback Mike.

[Snowback Mike]

Hi Tim. Or hi Greg. I was thinking about Tim because he's asking for things and it's like Tim never asks for things. So you know, it's a big deal.

[Andy Cortez]

It is a big deal. Here's the deal, Greg. The GameCube controllers are now up for everybody to buy but you. Not everybody.

[Greg Miller]

As the show goes live, Tim slacks the entire company. If I could get three people with NSO accounts to buy this for me and I'll venmo you, that'd be hella sick.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, because they're limiting you. You can only buy one. An NSO account. You know what I mean? I already got mine pre ordered. I need three more. I need to be ready at all times.

[Greg Miller]

And if we all did it right here, we all have our computers, we could do it right now. For me. You could make the dream happen live on, stream away. There's no R they have to love.

[Andy Cortez]

But I want my my house to be ready for people to play Smash Brothers. That's smart. That's smart. That's smart.

[Tim Gettys]

In the year 2035 they will be on their seventh reissue of the GameCube controller and people will be buying them.

[Andy Cortez]

Andy, this is the first time officially from Nintendo they the OG form factor the GameCube controllers in wireless form. Okay, wait, what.

[Tim Gettys]

What happened the last time?

[Greg Miller]

Miho. Just buy Miho.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, this is a big deal.

[Tim Gettys]

Damn.

[Andy Cortez]

Wave click pre purchase didn't have Rumble.

[Greg Miller]

I'm view cart. I'm checking out.

[Andy Cortez]

Thank you. I appreciate you.

[Greg Miller]

I love you.

[Andy Cortez]

What a squad. What a team I have.

[Greg Miller]

I squad up and never roll alone. Because we go. Oh God, how many passwords do I need?

[Snowback Mike]

Wow, I remembered the password.

[Andy Cortez]

That's.

[Tim Gettys]

Hell yeah. That's nice, bro.

[Snowback Mike]

First try.

[Greg Miller]

And rounding out our quartet of course is the Hispanic heartthrob Texas treat Latino heat Clicking heads and ripping them to shreds the globe Trotting head shot and rooting tootin three point shooting nitro rifle from Twitch tv, Andy Cortez.

[Tim Gettys]

What a basketball game last night. Holy cow.

[Snowback Mike]

Great game last night everybody. I hope he's got the end of that one.

[Tim Gettys]

Great spectacles all across the board. Overtime oh my God. Pre purchasing right now.

[Andy Cortez]

For you, Tim, a win in the Mecca. Hold on. There might be too many people. Can we get controllers?

[Snowback Mike]

Well, we keep ours.

[Andy Cortez]

You know what I mean.

[Snowback Mike]

You never know.

[Greg Miller]

I don't want this. I don't want this.

[Tim Gettys]

Well, I'd rather not do that.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, hold on, Mike.

[Tim Gettys]

Don't speak for me. In my wallet.

[Andy Cortez]

Joey's. Joey's on it.

[Greg Miller]

I'm already at checkout.

[Andy Cortez]

He's on it.

[Snowback Mike]

So thanks. At checkout.

[Andy Cortez]

Andy, you're cool then? Mike's got. Mike's on.

[Snowback Mike]

Okay, I'm gonna press the button.

[Andy Cortez]

We're good. Thank you so much. I appreciate you team.

[Tim Gettys]

No problem. No problem, big dog. You got it. I do want one of those really form fitting cases though. And I didn't like the way these look. These were different. They weren't what I expected.

[Andy Cortez]

We talk about the romp or rom or Tom Talk.

[Tim Gettys]

Tom Talk, Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

The ones that I'm talking about aren't out yet. Aren't even revealed. Oh, I'll bring some things in and show you and it's going to change.

[Tim Gettys]

Your life because the people were like Andy. Well, you keep in mind Tom Talk going live tonight with the Switch 2 stuff. It's not what I wanted.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, me too. I'm with you.

[Tim Gettys]

I want them really form fitting little cases. There's too much bulk in the backpack, you know, and then if you just have that as your carry on, then the bulk in the backpack switches proportions and it'll be filling up one side of your backpack and just a pain in the ass.

[Greg Miller]

Just standard shipping. You don't want this like super fast.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Of course. Ladies, gentlemen and enbies, this is the kind of funny gamescast. Each and every week we come to you with the biggest topics we need to talk about in video games. Whether it be reviews, previews or time capsule topics for 10 years from now. We love doing it for you each and every weekday. Of course you could watch us record the Show Live. Twitch TV, kind of funnygames, YouTube.com kinda funnygames, podcast services around the globe. If you're watching live, use your YouTube Super Chats to be part of this here show as we go. Kebab Super Chats says, do you think Greg will remember what his shirt was referencing in 10 years? Assuming he doesn't explain it now for his future self, of course Kebab is how little do you think of me? You think I'm not going to remember the Tim Gettys farewell tour? I'm not gonna be like, oh, I Remember when I made Tim's life a living hell for four months with a briefcase? I'm pretty sure I'm gonna remember that.

[Andy Cortez]

He's gonna remember. In fact, I think the tour is still gonna be going on.

[Greg Miller]

It'll probably still be going on the.

[Tim Gettys]

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[Greg Miller]

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[Andy Cortez]

Don't forget that. If you have Amazon prime, you have Twitch Prime.

[Tim Gettys]

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[Greg Miller]

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[Snowback Mike]

A little shaking today.

[Greg Miller]

Ah, Jesus Christ.

[Snowback Mike]

Came in wanting to start the day feeling real confident. I felt good, right? I'm like, you wake up. Nick's got this. We're gonna finish this. Walked in, we hit some major technical issues. Nick said there's something in the air and I've been shaking ever since.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, no, this isn't good.

[Greg Miller]

That's very bad.

[Andy Cortez]

But keep real bad.

[Tim Gettys]

But keep in mind, I will be, you know, raffling off one or two more winners for the one of one Andy Cortez Pokemon drawing. And we still got a couple more to go.

[Snowback Mike]

He's gonna keep.

[Tim Gettys]

So if you have ever gifted 10 subs to this channel during the Pokemon streams, you are you, you're in the running for it. We've had multiple people gift a lot of subs and they have like 12 chances to win. Get those chances up, get your name in the back.

[Greg Miller]

You still do it.

[Tim Gettys]

Still do it.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, wow. Okay. Are you gonna draw the Halloween Pokemon? I like that one a lot. Oh, a little pumpkin.

[Snowback Mike]

Batman, do a Halloween edition of the Pokemon.

[Greg Miller]

No, I mean it's.

[Tim Gettys]

It's May.

[Greg Miller]

I don't know, like I made a big deal sink. Porygon I've been with forever is my favorite Pokemon.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, you love Porygon.

[Greg Miller]

No, no, no. There's like I opened up during Halloween. I opened up my Pokemon Go and there was like a pumpkin with another thing on top of it. Pokemon. And I candelabra. I went straight to it. Pumpkaboo.

[Andy Cortez]

Oh, yeah, Pumpkaboo.

[Tim Gettys]

No, that sounds stupid. You got to give 10 times to try to win that.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, fair enough. If you're a kind of Funny member, Today's Greg Ways 24 minutes about my infinite patience as a parent. And remember, of course, Friday, it all comes down to this, the final episode of the Elder Scrolls Online podcast. A Kinda Funny Games Cast limited series. Of course, we being me and Mike have been talking to the ESO devs for four episodes of the deepest dive of my career. Getting to talk to people about how their game got made. If you aren't an Elder Scrolls Online fan, you don't need to be. This is literally what's happening behind the curtain of a game that's been around for 10 years plus now. It's a pretty incredible story. You can catch the first three episodes right now. Of course you can catch this finale on Friday and it will answer the question, will there ever be crime? Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Subway Surfers and Factor, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with what is and forever will be topic of the show. Last week, the impossible happened. We hit the 10 year anniversary of the Kinda Funny Games cast. Episode 19. That was where will gaming be in 10 to 15 years? We went in, we opened the time capsule, we listened to myself, Tim, Colin talk about in 2015, what we thought 2025 gaming would be. Of course, Tim infamously said 10 years. That's a long time. Yep, here we are, kind of funny 10 years later, ready to do it. So now we have to come in and say, where will gaming be in 10 years?

[Andy Cortez]

What is 10 years?

[Greg Miller]

A decade?

[Andy Cortez]

2035. Like that doesn't sound real in the same way 2025 didn't sound real to us back in 2015.

[Greg Miller]

100%. Yeah. They stop there and think Ben will be 13. No, Ben will be 13 years old when capsule is opened in 10 years. No ages. That is outrageous. I'll be 52.

[Tim Gettys]

Those are the years you hear about in sci fi movies.

[Greg Miller]

I'll never get there in the year 2024.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, that's insane.

[Greg Miller]

So we will begin this show the same way we began the last one with a question from Project Garte who asked, what are your predictions and what will video games. What will the video game industry be in 10 years? I of course was not hosting the Gamescast 10 years ago. You were, Tim, and you let off with this one and I got to talk first. So I want to turn to you and say before I get to my many, many, many specific bullet points, what are your predictions in what will the video game industry be in 10 years? Oh man, that's a big question you asked me 10 years ago. Now I'm asking you 10 years.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, I think that it will still be thriving. I feel like there's obviously a lot of situations, many bumps, many big issues, many big hits. It'll be very different than it looks like now in ways that I don't even think we can predict. In the same way that I don't think any of us could have predicted that Xbox would go essentially third party. And just like how much different factors live service games like Game Pass. Like there's so many things that are like that's not, no way that could even possibly happen. And here we are now. So I think there'll be a lot of that type of stuff that you can't predict. But I, I do think, and this is going to be a theme of my predictions going forward, I think that Nintendo is going to continue to remain dominant and I think that their level of domination is only going to increase.

[Greg Miller]

I like that. Especially on the eve of the Switch 2.

[Andy Cortez]

Yes.

[Greg Miller]

What's hilarious is when we go back to watching and talking about 10 years ago, we kept talking about the NX. We didn't even know what switch one was yet. And so it's funny that we were throwing it up. So here we are ten years later in a very similar, similar spot. Maybe a little bit behind when you look there, but here we are right on the precipice. Of course, if we are watching this in 10 years, remember the Switch 2 is coming out. Yeah, exactly two weeks from today. Crazy.

[Andy Cortez]

Yep.

[Greg Miller]

Michael, what are your predictions and what will the video game industry be like in 10 years?

[Snowback Mike]

Man. Greg, what a great question. You know, from the consumer side of things, I would like to say a lot of the Same. Right. I like to think that we're all still playing a lot of great video games and enjoying some of the games that we love. There's a piece of me that thinks that we'll see a rise and more of a push towards PC gaming, having that kind of vibe going on. I know I've had the conversations with Tim before. Like I think the kids, the next generation, really want PCs over the consoles. They want that freedom to have kind of more choice than just being locked into a console in those exclusive games. And we're seeing those also kind of go by the wayside. There's also a piece of me, Andy, that likes to think that maybe we are direct streaming to the TVs and not having a console anymore by the side. I think that's kind of farther in the future. But we can see we are going that direction similar to how Netflix is now. Just as easy as a press of a button on your television, no matter what monitor screen you have. I'd like to think that one day we're going to be close enough to you pick up a controller and it doesn't matter what app From Nintendo, Xbox, PlayStation, you click it and there's no more hardware under your underwear TV. But that's the 10 years I look at more PC gaming for the kids. And then my far distant this I'd like to see just a TV being your gaming apparatus.

[Greg Miller]

I want to get. I want to dig into that later. But Andy, for you, top level we're going to be in 10 years. What's the industry look like?

[Tim Gettys]

I think back to when I first got hired at Kind of funny and you're welcome. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. About 2017 or 2018 was the first time I was playing. I think it was maybe Google Stadia at the time. And to think about where Google stadia was in 2018. A cloud gaming platform way ahead of its time obviously. And to see the differences in like. And I would say back then I had way less of a leash for. For bullshit or. No, I had way more of a leash for bullshit because now I'm like give me 240 hertz. Give me all the bullshit, right? But this is back in the day when I wasn't PC gaming, I didn't need the over 60 frames per second. But on Stadia back in the day going man, this, this is just not where it needs to be. And then Fast forward to 2025 and feeling how awesome it is to play a game on Nvidia. What's their force now. GeForce Now. GeForce Now. And, you know, your miles may vary with the Internet and stuff like that, but I'm still kind of blown away. Blown away by how much, how much better the experience has gotten. I think Mike makes a great point that I think, you know, with a click of the button on your TV, think of how good Nvidia GeForce now is right now.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And just multiply that by 10 for the next 10 years. I think we'll see a huge push there. And there will be such smaller differences in. I think we'll see the big companies going less and less for the tech innovations because you can only push so many pixels and you can only try to sell people on 16K TVs or whatever the hell we'll be talking about in the future. I think we'll, we'll see a bit smaller, big, massive budget games going into, like, what we think of AA now, but I think those will kind of take over and become more of the norm. But I also think of a chart that I saw on Twitter the other day. May 18. Fortnite had 2.5 million peak players daily. Steam as a whole platform, people gaming on Steam, 11.8 million. Roblox 16.3. I think the fucking federal government comes in and tries to. Like, when I think of how monopolies operate, I think something will happen where Roblox has to like, hey, you got, you know, we got to figure something out. We gotta. There's. This can't be happening the way it is right now, I think. Yeah, like, I, I really think something will happen with, with Roblox, with how dominant it is. You've never seen a Roblox commercial in your life. Like, you've never seen Roblox pop up on a TV or anything like that. It's just word of mouth. It's kids. It's every kid wanting to be on that platform. And I see Roblox continuing their dominance until something happens where people, people are like, oh, you know, this was way more crooked than we thought. We really have to step in. But I'm just. I was really blown away by 11.8 people on Steam 16.3. Only on Roblox. That's fucking insane.

[Greg Miller]

Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. I think this is an interesting one, Andy. I like where you're at. I think, you know, one of the conversations or the conversation that I started on the thing 10 years ago was the idea that gaming will be prettier. But like, I think we are at such a point now where it's like, what does that mean. And then I think we're seeing so many. Not concessions, but people step to the side already. Right. Where we're talking about Switch 2 and what it can do. Right. And Cyberpunk is going to be great on there. It'll be good enough, right. PC handhelds and how much I love them, the gaming there is good enough. It's not by any stretch of the imagination the razor blade 16, all the megahertz and yada yada, but it's what I want out of convenience. And so as we hear right now in our life, the rumors of not only Xbox working with Raw on a handheld that we assume is going to be announced probably soon, probably SGF then also the rumor or not even rumors. They've said that they're working on a handheld. Right. For the line. The rumors of PlayStation doing a handheld that somewhere be coming up and be whatever and be competent. Yeah, like I wonder what that race becomes of. Are we looking at a future where. Yeah, it is the Xbox series, whatever the PlayStation 6, they are the pinnacle. PlayStation 6 Pro. They are the pinnacle of what you could get out of these devices. But we have these other devices that are also there that are giving you a good enough experience or has Internet gotten so good that they are streaming cloud doing this thing and you're getting the amazing experience on the go like GeForce Now.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, I mean obviously I'm sure we're going to talk a lot more detail about that but just to pick conversation, let's go what you're saying here. It's like I do think that that's it and I feel like a theme of all the points I'm going to make today are that I think that we're going to redefine the low end of gaming that and the high end is going to stop having to keep going and going and going. It's going to keep going. But I feel like we're about to hit a point that we're already there, that we are. The chasm between the low end and the high end is a lot closer than it's ever been in the history of games where yeah, you playing on a handheld PC gaming device at this point is not nearly as good as playing on a high end PC. But that difference is way closer than it was for a PSP to PS3 or whatever any that we've ever seen in the past. And you add on the cloud stuff to that and then all of a sudden all those things go out the window where you are playing Expedition 33 and perfectly high settings on your Steam deck. So we're already there and I think it's only going to get better.

[Tim Gettys]

AI upscaling is going to continue to be ridiculous and make the impossible possible where how the hell am I getting this many frames with a game that's running full movie style path tracing with every light ray being perfectly reflect like it's insane what's already happening. And I, I for some reason I feel like a lot of smaller companies will also try to chase will try to chase the like the AI upscaling kind of trend. Not necessarily even trend but I see smaller tech companies going oh we can do what Nvidia is doing but we have lower overhead, we're smaller. Let's try to like make a name for ourselves and try to get partnered with larger publishers and larger companies.

[Greg Miller]

Mike, I saw you react.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah, I was just smirking at you. That's all. Just a fun one before we get into the real stuff.

[Greg Miller]

Go for it.

[Snowback Mike]

We don't think we're strapping headsets onto our heads in 10 years off. You know that is right. I don't think we are. There's a piece of me that's like one day we'll be there but I know we'll I don't think we'll ever be there. I think we've proven now in this past 10 years people just want to stare at the screen and not have it on their head.

[Andy Cortez]

I do think it's important to bring up xr right. Which is something that we've been talking a lot recently because of the Xreal glasses. But this week even Google had its IO event which was a much more tech focus. It was kind of like GDC the way we talk about that for video games but yeah for more just general tech. And Google and Android XR specifically are diving incredibly deep piggybacking off of all their AI advancements with Gemini into essentially Google Glasses 2.0. But similar to Google Stadia where it's like back then didn't work ahead of its time. Now it's like wait, it actually does work. So seeing the demos that they had of like literally just Glass, I mean.

[Greg Miller]

Even that's what I, you know how much yeah, I'm not wearing my metas today but like I you know I love wearable tech that way and I the heads up display glasses, Arkansas is such a different conversation than what Mike's talking about for future people and your flying cars of the the meta quest 3, 21 the PlayStation VR 2 that are shoved in a Tupperware box, nobody wants to strap them on.

[Andy Cortez]

But you take the Apple Vision Pro, right. And all the things. Obviously not a success, but it did a lot amazingly. However, nobody wants to use it and it's way too expensive and all that. All the good things about it are already at the point that glasses are able to do it. So.

[Greg Miller]

And this is always early, they're expensive.

[Andy Cortez]

But I give it literally two years from now, like not even 10. Two years from now you're going to be able to have gigantic OLED screens in your glasses giving you any heads up display stuff that you want. I really believe in the AR XR side of it. VR. Not at all.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, Andy, what I'm just thinking of.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm just thinking of, you know, Jarvis, make sure you bring up the, you know, put, put the oven on driver's for me.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Because like I XR is like, or ar, whatever you want to call it. Augmented reality is I think for me a lot less gaming focused. But the ability to have these static displays just kind of anywhere in your house, like man, that just also throws a whole wrench in. What happens to TVs. Like, I don't know. That's like thinking way too far, I think. But for, for gaming, I don't know. I agree with Mike. Where we don't want the big gigantic headset, but as soon as they get more convenient and as soon as you don't need the long cable running, like all of that stuff becomes just like when you said why do I need a camera in my cell phone? Like all of that stuff just starts to become the norm.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. So let's dive into some of these bullet points then. Right. I have a whole section here called the Big three. I want to know because this is Something we asked 10 years ago, what consoles will there be?

[Andy Cortez]

Oh yeah, 10 years makes it tough. Of course it will be a Nintendo and there will be a PlayStation. There will also be an Xbox.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Snowback Mike]

Will there be a new entry? Will someone else step in? Does it always have to be the Big three?

[Greg Miller]

We were so hung up last time of Amazon and Activision. Are they going to enter the console?

[Andy Cortez]

I think now it's China. Right. I think now it's, it's looking at the $0.10 and those, those type of groups and I don't think so. I think that we are at a point already that it is more ecosystem, digital based, app based, storefront based. But I think, I think all three of the big three currently will still have consoles out in 10 years.

[Greg Miller]

New consoles you know, the rumor was, right, that Xbox is next thing could dual boot. That was one of the rumors Paris was talking about. We've seen them around the scuttlebutt. Do you think you see PlayStation do that as well? Like, I, you know, I have the same questions we have here, and I think at the top level, we can all answer them, like, will PlayStation exist? Will Xbox exist? Will Nintendo exist? I think yes, across the board, yeah. Right.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

I think they could and probably will look dramatically different in the same way if we were to dial back 10 years ago, what you're talking about. Xbox does not look like Xbox then, right? Even PlayStation to a degree. But it also looks the most reminiscent. Nintendo has gone through such a shift because of the success of Switch and where they're at, but I do wonder about the boxes and what that is and who. One of the questions I had here that I'd like your opinions on to piggyback off this, right. What does success look like for first parties in 2035?

[Andy Cortez]

I think it continues to look different for each of them. Yeah, I feel like that it's a trend that really started, I mean, debatably, Nintendo started it with the Wii when it decided to be completely underpowered. Like, that was a choice strategically. But I think that this generation that we're currently in of the Xbox Series X, PlayStation 5 and Nintendo Switch, like, each one of them were clearly going down different paths. And I feel like Xbox kind of fumbled down the path in a bunch of ways, but found the direction and where they're going down now. It's like, yeah, I think this is going to really pay off for them. And I think that they're going to. In terms of sales, absolutely crush. I think it's cheating because they just bought everybody and, yeah, that's how that works. But, like, I do think that they are easily going to be like the biggest publisher.

[Greg Miller]

So then I want to bring this question in because I think it's tied to this. Right? But I wrote down, what are the rankings of the first parties in 2035? Because my bold thing to say right here, a decade out being Mr. PlayStation and loving my PlayStation so much, I think they're in third place. And I know that we're talking in a very. It's a very hard conversation because now you're saying, well, what metric of success are we talking about? Right? Where I think so many of us right now in 2025, we like, man, PlayStation won this generation. When it's like, well, no, Nintendo, they. They went a different Direction like number of unit sales sold and mind share kick the shit out of PlayStation, right? But it's like not what we think of, we think of the AAA box. This is what we're going for when Nintendo isn't playing that game. Xbox lost so badly last generation that they stopped playing that game and made a big deal. This generation of we're not playing that game anymore. I think in 10 years, based on what we are seeing right now in the Xbox PlayStation race. I think Xbox has set themselves up so well to be the most successful between Xbox and PlayStation because I think they're gonna, they're gonna be ahead on cloud, they're gonna be ahead on the app, they're gonna be ahead on playing on whatever device you want. The campaign that's running right now. This is an Xbox, right? This is an Xbox. I think PlayStation is going to realize, if they haven't already, that shit, that was a great move on where the tech is going. And by the time they start trying to spin that up, it'll be hard I think personally to get the same hopeful mind share out of an audience, out of the world that that's what they're doing.

[Tim Gettys]

I, I mean there's so many variables obviously with trying to predict this stuff, but I think we look at Sony and go, oh, they won, right? And you know, we're discounting that. Nintendo still dominating, but they beat Xbox because they have the, they have the ip, right? They have the IP that's on hbo. They have the IP that when we're talking these first party third person action games that we think about are the big sort of, those are the ones that you look at and go man, Xbox needs four of those and like, and they have none right now. But I don't know if it all depends on does Sony stick with the just first party strategy or do they eventually start to kind of take notes and see, oh shit, Xbox is selling a lot more copies for their first party games, first party because they're going everywhere now do we sort of follow suit? And I know that everybody's like really certain that they're never going to do that. For me, I just think that executives up top go, well doing that equals more money. So yes, let's do that.

[Greg Miller]

I mean 10 years ago we were certain probably that they want to put it on PC, right? Yeah, we didn't talk about that specifically. We were way more talking about, oh well, if this annex thing doesn't hit Nintendo hat we'll be putting everything out multi platform. They'll just Be a third party polisher that just be sega. I think again, as we've seen these walls fall down, like it's inevitable that PlayStation. I think inevitable that PlayStation releases will be day one on PC as well. I know we can point to helldivers, but I mean bigger things too. Because I think eventually you're going to see these numbers in my mind of what's going with PC gaming shift in a way that, all right, so many people have gone to PC. There are so many people that haven't and still own a PlayStation. There are the people who want it, cross buy, cross play all this stuff. Like just give it to them that way. I think convenience in meeting gamers where they want to be is what the next 10 years is all about or is seeing it now. But it's such an old example, I think of IGN when we were there, right. Before you were there, when you were there. But like old IGN where we had a conversation. I remember being there and whatever year it was, I can't remember if you're actually there or not. But of like, are we putting IGN videos on YouTube? And the answer was no, we have ign.com people will come to us and they will watch videos on IGN.com and that was wrong. Right. And we learned the hard way at the time of like, no, you need to go meet the gamer. The, the consumer where they are. And clearly the consumer, I think is speaking right now loudly of all my games everywhere. I want to be able to play. I want to have some fun.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, it's interesting. I kind of am on the other side of this one.

[Greg Miller]

Please.

[Andy Cortez]

I think that everyone, you guys are making a lot of sense, but I think that with where we're at, PlayStation's in a different place. When we talk about the prestige games and like what people think the general public thinks about PlayStation, they still have that. I don't think they're going to lose that. I think 10 years is a long time. There will be a lot of technological changes that could surely make everything I'm saying wrong. But I think that to Andy's point, Xbox is selling more than they have ever whatever with these games because they're putting on a console that has an insane install base. PlayStation putting their games on Xbox doesn't have that. So it's like not necessarily going to change that so much. PlayStation games beyond PC day one. I do think that that is an inevitability that should be the goal. I imagine that will happen.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, places you put on Nintendo is what I'm Talking about yeah, like places are going everywhere.

[Andy Cortez]

Like yeah. And the Nintendo thing I do think is, is an interesting possibility there. But I, I think that PlayStation is going to continue to try to be on that the highest end and really be the ones to, to push, push, push the boundaries where I do think everyone else is going to start to go a little bit lower and follow more as Nintendo reaches up with the tech. I think that everyone else is going to kind of come down a little bit to get on all the handhelds and all that. I think that PlayStation is going to. In the same way that people buy 4K Blu Ray players because they want that dedicated physical hardware that it can do it the best. I think that PlayStation is going to be the last remaining console that is trying to be the best console. And I think that that is going to speak to core gamers that I think will always exist. I think that their numbers will dwindle. But I think in 10 years there's still going to be place for a system, a video game console that that is the best way to play these games and the only way to play these games. I mean maybe not only because of PC and stuff, but I would not be surprised. The PlayStation doubles down is like our games are only on PlayStation 6 for.

[Tim Gettys]

All the flack audio users out there.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I also wanted to point out that like 10 years obviously seems like a lifetime especially when tech is constantly evolving the way it is. But Even I know SteamDB isn't everything and even I kind of hate when SteamDB is like the only thing that people ever reference when they're looking at numbers and stuff. But pubg is an 8 year old game by this point. Pubg came out in 2017. That's almost a decade old and it's still number three on the most concurrent players right now. 225K. There's just, there's such a great chance that the games out right now are still going to be dominating just like Counter Strike 2, which is a more visual upgrade to Counter Strike. Right Mike, like Counter strike is still 1.2 million concurrence right now at the top of the charts. And I think we will like there's a good chance that the top five games being played in 2035, that one or two of them came out this year or are out already or just came out recently or whatever. But I also wanted to, to call out that when we were talking about does anybody else have a. Can any other company kind of enter in here? When we talked about how Google Glass and all that and Google stadia being way ahead of the curve. I think Steam machines were way ahead of the curve and I think Valve with the Steam deck is showing that they are taking hardware seriously and I could see them selling a Mac mini looking console that is a Steam machine. Steam Machine is what they were called. Yeah, Steam machines were way ahead of the game and I think if we see a little baby mini thing that they put out that's like 600 bucks, it runs everything faster and better than what you got right now. But it's a little tiny PC or whatever and maybe it's got the Steam storefront or it has the Steam OS as opposed to just straight up windows. I, I think, yeah, I think they were still ahead of the curve way back in the day with Steam machines and their stupid ass controller. That didn't feel good or look good.

[Greg Miller]

But I enjoy sticks. Just these two like satellite dishes.

[Tim Gettys]

Terrible, terrible idea. But I, I really do think that them seeing the sort of excitement, enthusiasm for their hardware with these little, with the Steam deck that, that could evolve in the future.

[Andy Cortez]

So here's just real quick, I want.

[Greg Miller]

To stay in this. Yeah, me too.

[Andy Cortez]

Real quick. I just want to say again you're making a lot of sense. I think that it will happen. I think Steam will put out a board like dedicated, like not desktop, like home theater, top setup. I think all things considered it's going to be a non factor. Like I don't think that it's going to sales wise make up for anything in the conversation of like the, the console space. Like I think that it'll sell significantly less even than the Xbox series S.

[Tim Gettys]

Or X. I Mike was bringing up earlier, kids want PCs more nowadays and I totally agree just based. I mean this is all anecdotal but seeing my nephew who only watches streamers and watches like you know, people playing PC games. If you could tell a, you know a family who has a son that really wants that expensive PC. Oh Steam, they're selling that Steam box for 700, $800 whatever it may be. Yeah, as opposed to the big 2000$1500 PC. You might want to buy this. This is an equivalent of that. As opposed to the PlayStation where he wants to play on keyboard mouse. I don't know. That's all peripheral based and maybe things change in the future but I think that with the younger audience they are seeing their favorite personalities play on PC and that's I think only going to continue to grow.

[Greg Miller]

My question in all this would be I doubt not that I Don't think it could happen, obviously. But I doubt Valve's interest in entering into the hardware market, whether it be a box or anything else, because I think they did what they needed to do where the Steam machines were a great idea, too complicated, didn't work in terms of like an easy marketing ploy. Right. The Steam Deck came out and was like what so many of us had been saying, like, oh man, the switch is great. I wish you could play real games and quotes. That's insulting but you know what I mean of like Witcher 3 at max settings and blah blah, they make the Steam Deck really make a splash in our market, not in the, you know, wider mainstream thing. And that has inspired. Right. Republic of Gamers and has inspired so many other people to do this and tinker blah. And I think my perception of Valve would be they saw that and they went excellent. And I'm not saying they don't do another Steam Deck, but I think they step back and let everybody else run with these ideas and one of them, I would think makes the box. And again, if it is true, this rumor that Xbox is doing this, Xbox, the next generation Xbox also boots Steam and boots Epic and does whatever it does, right. If they're able to do that, then that's the ultimate Trojan horse to get PC gaming in at an affordable price point, theoretically that you could do. And I think that's more interesting to Valve, who already makes money hand over fist. They've, they've done what they needed. I, I feel right now, 10 years before you watch this future Greg, that they pushed the snowball at the top of the hill and I do think it's gaining momentum and becoming a snow boulder as it goes. In 10 years, will it be this giant thing that runs over a town? Who knows? But I think that's more of what Valve's position would be. Tim, am I wrong?

[Andy Cortez]

I don't know. I mean, I feel like there's, there's a lot to even what you just said there. But I think that, yeah, I think that Steam will put out hardware and I think that it'll be a success to the people that it is. I think the most important thing of all of this is that developers prioritize their games on Steam Deck. So even though Steam Deck does not have this giant actual foothold in the industry, it matters enough to the developers because the people that are playing are fucking engaging and they're really playing and they care. And so I feel like doubling down on that over time. That's going to be that is going to make the size of the PC gaming audience bigger, but I think the importance of the users on it even more so.

[Greg Miller]

It's a. Andy's point that everybody's their content creators and the people that are watching are using PCs. Right? Let's go for a walk. Tim, what was our most successful let's play of all time?

[Andy Cortez]

Guitar Hero.

[Greg Miller]

Guitar Hero. Do you remember why we had broken off 10 years ago from IGN and started our own company? Kind of funny. And we got hit up about this Guitar Hero event and we said, yeah, we can come play. Do you mind if we come record our own footage and do a let's play live? And they were like, hold on. And they went and talked to people like, no, you can, whatever. We were the only people to do that because we had those showguns, the little things that plugged and played and it was like a game changer in terms of, like, you can do this kind of content on the road. And then you jumped ahead six months and all of our peers were bringing those kind of things and you jumped ahead a year. And every demo you went to had the Shoguns there ready to run. Record where I'm driving with this, is that when I bought my Steam Deck and was so excited for it, every time a code came in for review and it's only on PC, I'd be like, cool, does it run on Steam Deck? And they, I don't know, let me go check. And they come back yesterday, whatever it was. Right now, I would say the majority of emails we get are like, here's your code on PC. Here's the information if it works or doesn't work on Steam Deck. And so many times it isn't running on Steam Deck yet, but it will be verified at launch. Like they are telling us, are we the games journalists, games press, game influencers, whoever is getting these codes? Are we everybody? No, but it shows that enough people are asking that same question and then turning around like I am and being like, cool. There's a new Starfield update today. Everybody's talking about. I'm. I have, you know, I play anywhere. Well, I have my PC version of Starfield that I'm logging into right now to add the coins to buy the thing so that when I get home I can play it on my Series X, but I can also play it here. Like, I'm talking about the Rog ally in a way, with an excitement that I haven't talked about a hard piece of hardware in a long, long.

[Tim Gettys]

He's been Awakened.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah it's dangerous desire from gamers that have always had of I want to play my games anywhere at any time. Right and so we are barreling towards that whether it be on your phone, on a handheld, on a screen or dedicated console we're just I think 10 years from now it will continue to be that and that's what gamers want and whoever is finding that, whoever is for first to that whoever can really find that and put out great titles and games that's what they want. That's what we're going to see. I mean everybody wants that right now is right Greg I want to be able to play anything at any time. I love that.

[Greg Miller]

So yeah for sure.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Who's.

[Snowback Mike]

Who's going to do that?

[Greg Miller]

Timothy I like talking about this now what I want to know is about the Nintendo Switch I want to know about this Nintendo Switch 2 and one of the questions I have here is like are we on the eve are we talking about that Nintendo Switch 3 in 10 years when we do this isn't are we on the eve of the release of the Nintendo Switch 3? Are they calling it the Nintendo Switch 3? What is Nintendo's next 10 years?

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, we'll. We'll have a Switch 3 in 10 years. Like I will already have been a year or two into it I would imagine. There's so many questions about the success of the Switch to though like the I think that just the time the world we're in right now with all of the politics and tariffs and just all of this shit like it's. It's going to be rough and because of all of that like I Nintendo is either going to grand slam knock it out of the park and continue to sell out and all of that or I think other factors are getting the way I think they are primed for it. Like I think that we 10 years ago talking about the where we're at the Wii U and the 3DS now we're talking about the Switch. They have got to the point that we are 10 almost 10 years into their handheld and console development cycles being one and I think that we're going to get a incredibly consistent output from Nintendo over the next couple years supporting the Switch to and I think it's going to continue the success of the Switch one had in terms of having the majority of their first party games be purchased by the majority of people that have a Switch too. So because of that and I think just like having the momentum so early going into it and also still having the Switch 1 audience, like Nintendo as a whole, they're not going to give up on the Switch one for years from now. Like we have at least two years of support of this thing. So. Yeah, I feel, I feel like this generation, unless things get horribly worse than they are currently, I think it's going to be Nintendo's strongest generation yet.

[Greg Miller]

Andy, you agree with that.

[Tim Gettys]

Man? I, I, it's just so hard for me to think about the, the future of all of it because I wonder where like when these consoles start to stagnate or when these, like, have we kind of hit that, have we hit the top of the mountain already and how much, like just real quick, because.

[Andy Cortez]

The point that I make just that I want you then jump off is that I should have said here the reason I think so highlighted Switch to is they're going to continue their first party stuff, but it's the third party that's going to be the game changer. So.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Well, part of me wonders if Nintendo is the company that will most resemble a video game company in the future. Like, and what I mean by that is where gaming is first, where I feel like PlayStation sees the success of, of maybe their IP doing movies and Xbox wanting to be everywhere and just kind of be an app on your screen, like how you can, you know, open up Amazon or whatever the hell on your tv. I, I feel like Nintendo will be the company to look most like the game box in the future with the, it's going to resemble more of what we think of if you looked on clip art for video games. Yeah. Like, and I feel like every other company will try to do what Xbox did with the Xbox One and how much of a disaster that was. But it was really just way ahead of its time. Like a lot of the other kind of failures we've talked about. I think, I think Nintendo will continue to be just the gaming platform with maybe some gimmicks that continue to like, not really get fully fleshed out, like the webcam stuff and things like that.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Snowback Mike]

What I'm fascinated about with Nintendo is now we see such a push with more handhelds, Tim, we see a push of play anywhere. Is there going to be more competition against Nintendo to have them change their ways? When I think Nintendo, it's the games, right. I think it's the parents who grew up with Nintendo. They know it's a family friendly, safe platform to put their kids on and have them grow in video gaming. But now with the hardware, like you said.

[Andy Cortez]

Right.

[Snowback Mike]

It's getting better and others are pushing higher but eventually we'll kind of get to a moment where everything is close, doesn't tend to see a lot of competition and have to change their ways or. Yeah, I agree with Andy of like, it feels like Nintendo is going to be Nintendo in 10 years. It's easy to say that, but like, do we see them massively change?

[Andy Cortez]

I mean, I think the biggest difference and we're going to see it in just a few weeks. I'm. I'm telling you all right now, I brought two weeks from today. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be a gigantic surprise to people and how well it sells and the response and reception to it on the Switch too. I could be totally off. And the thing is, if it comes out and it runs like, and people don't like it and doesn't review well, I take back everything I'm saying for, for this. But like, I think that this is going to be a statement piece that CD Projekt Red are. They're not doing the stupid game card key, whatever the hell thing they are sticking to. We're doing the big one. We're investing in that because we believe in it. Nintendo players buy physical games, they still matter. There's the digital sales, but then there's still this like toy level appreciation of Nintendo being seen as a video game console that I think works in their benefit. And the third parties that adapt that philosophy I think are going to find a lot of success because Nintendo fans will reward them. And to your point, Mike, it's like, yeah, right now Nintendo fans buy Pikmin and Animal Crossing and Mario and Zelda and stuff. If we can now get people also buying all the Square games on Switch, all of the Capcom games, all of.

[Greg Miller]

The Ubisoft games, can they make it good enough?

[Andy Cortez]

Good enough. And I think that's the big thing is yes, there's a lot more competition in terms of there's stronger handhelds available, whatever, but they're still tinkering. It's still PC gaming. As easy to use as the Steam deck is, it's not nearly as easy as Nintendo. So the thing is it still has to work. And it can't be like Switch one where it's like these are the worst ports ever. They need to be like, oh, these are good ports. It has to be good. If it's good. I think that Nintendo's about to just run with this shit. Because the, the fact of the matter is we don't need to wait for a PlayStation handheld. We don't need to Wait for a. Can it play via cloud or whatever. It is a handheld device and the tech's there. Like, we're getting the HDR, we're getting the VRR on the portable side of it. Like it's 4K. Like, they, they've said everything they need to, to be in the competition and they're, they're already winning so many other areas of the competition that all they need is third parties. And if they get that, holy crap, man, they're about to take over.

[Tim Gettys]

And the bigger question is, do we also see a Pokemon Land theme park in the future?

[Snowback Mike]

Oh, come on. Yeah, dude, come on.

[Andy Cortez]

I mean, that's it. And within 10 years.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah, that's what you.

[Andy Cortez]

It's happening, baby.

[Snowback Mike]

Now really quick. 10 years is a long time. We will be done with Switch two. We'll be moving into the next one. Tim, are they going to stick with the handheld, dual handheld console, or will they ever move away from that?

[Andy Cortez]

See, this goes back to what you were saying about, you know, eventually, you know, we don't want hardware. It's like we just want to think. The thing about the handhelds is you need a controller. No matter what you need a controller, what screen you're using, whether it's glasses or a TV or a screen in between a controller, you still need a screen, right? So because of that, I feel like the Switch is. We're already kind of saying this, but in 10 years we're going to be like, dude, the Switch was ahead of its time, right? Like the fact that it is the console that you can plug it into the TV and just take with you, it checks all the things you need for video games. Control input and visual display. I think that it'll continue to do that. This is, this is the, this is what video games.

[Greg Miller]

I want that. I don't believe in that. I just, I just feel like, I think Cyberpunk and I know this is fun because it's like a time capsule for two weeks. And I didn't play Cyberpunk. I haven't seen. I haven't touched the Switch too. I just don't believe it's gonna run well enough that hardcore gamers, gamers like us are gonna look at it and go, that is good enough. That is where I'd want to play this kind of games. I think they still want to do this and Nintendo will still be making money hand over fist and products that are great for Nintendo fans. And I would love if I eat my words and Switch two drops and it's good enough and I'm playing games over there and suddenly my Nintendo goes from being something I leave on the dock forever until there's this exclusive I really want and it becomes something that competes with my Steam Deck.

[Andy Cortez]

But I think an important thing please the point that I'm trying to make is I don't think that the Switch 2 is going to convert the majority of people that are currently playing cyberpunk on other systems to play it on the Switch. I think it'll convert some of them, but what I do think it'll do is convert Nintendo gamers to not just buy Nintendo games but to also buy these third party games and think about the Nintendo audience that only has the Switch that haven't been able to play all of these games and now all of a sudden they can and hopefully they're good enough. That's going to be the game changer.

[Greg Miller]

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[Greg Miller]

I have officially bought Watchtower Orbital Strike Slash Fleet Command Creation on the Starfield store. If you were wondering, I currently have five days, three hours and two minutes on the Starfield save Barrett while we wait for Andy to come back and we watch this Starfield trailer. Ten years ago, apparently one of the greatest creations of Starfield ever came out.

[Andy Cortez]

From the moment we first reached for the stars.

[Greg Miller]

Remember this is fan made.

[Andy Cortez]

They were already here. Entities of unfathomable power. Immortal entity boundless. We've seen what they're capable of. The lengths don't go too if all the handful were to turn their attention.

[Snowback Mike]

Upon us, humanity could not hope to survive.

[Andy Cortez]

Frontier to fleet Prepare for jump Grab Drive Stable.

[Greg Miller]

Remember fans are making this. This isn't Bethesda.

[Snowback Mike]

I'm blown away and so it is.

[Andy Cortez]

Our duty to contain them at any cost. We Skydrop now.

[Greg Miller]

I'm so ready for this Orbital strike scene.

[Tim Gettys]

This is a mod.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

This is crazy.

[Snowback Mike]

I mean when you talk about 10 years in the future, Greg, it's fun to talk about user generated content. Right.

[Greg Miller]

With hell yeah.

[Snowback Mike]

Fortnite at the precipice of what they want to do in Fortnite about allowing people to create Roblox being that of like people are just creating inside of that. But that's of course allowing people to do that. Will we see more games do this? Will we see more rise to the top and maybe take over? Is that.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I mean especially with how good the tech is that's available to so many people now.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know like not no longer. No longer is. Has Unreal Engine become the like now it's just you can download that, you can get that sort of free license or whatever. You can look at all of these tutorials on YouTube and learn how to 3D model and things like that. Like I. I think we're going to see a lot more like that democratization of. Of these tools.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. 100. That's great. Yeah. In the chat right there. Sweet says will Greg still be talking about Starfield in 10 years? Is the big question playing it? I highly doubt it. But I'd love that to happening talking about it for sure. I think every time you know how much I love Western RPGs. You know like that's my man. And so like yes you. When we talk about them, inevitably somebody will ask you compared to Starfield as I saw yesterday with Outer Worlds, which I know is a bit different.

[Snowback Mike]

But also do you think we'll be talking About a Starfield 2 one day 10 years from now when the Fallout es, you know, Elder Scrolls 7, 6, whatever. But like do you think we'll get to a Starfield too in that one?

[Greg Miller]

I don't, I don't.

[Snowback Mike]

You think that's a one and done for me?

[Greg Miller]

I think so, yeah. I think they want. I think. You know, I don't know man. I. I just don't think it has the gravitas. I don't think it grabbed and I think it's so hard. You know there's already, you know, people are joking dunk on me all the time about it understandably because I like it so much and it's such a not amazing game 10 out of 10 experience. But like I think it's somebody even put in the chat like Starfield's good now. It's like Starfield's been good for a while. I I on even if, even with all the criticism, I think Starfield was good at launch. But like we operate and it's either good or bad. And so since it wasn't, as Mike understandably said, it needed to be Game of the Generation for Xbox and it wasn't, that's the level of expectation they work with. I think it's interesting to turn around and be like, Will Elder Scrolls 6 be game of the Generation? Can that possibly live up to the hype? I mean, 10 years from now, hopefully we've already played it. We know, right? I want to go there. We're getting to some game specifics though. Will Elder Scrolls 6 live up to the hype and would have released it by 10 years? And will we have another fallout from Bethesda like a Bethesda Game Studios fallout.

[Snowback Mike]

Within this 10 year window?

[Greg Miller]

Yes.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah, we'll have those two games will be out within the 10 years.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Andy Cortez]

I think they'll both be out as well.

[Greg Miller]

Will they live up to the hype, do you think?

[Snowback Mike]

Will Elder Trolls live up to the hype?

[Tim Gettys]

I don't think it has a choice.

[Snowback Mike]

I think it's tough to say. I want to say yes it will because I think fans love that game and behold, hold that differently than a new ip. I think there will be people that go, man, Bethesda, this is truly now the moment of you need to change, you need to elevate and like really take what you have and somehow grow this. Because we have now seen this from Starfield, which was a new IP and we wanted this to be a little bit different. So now we go to Elder Scrolls and it just can't be. We're playing the Oblivion remake. You've seen Skyrim. There's only so much change has been had now we're 20 years later. It's going to be wild.

[Greg Miller]

I adore Bethesda games, period. Like, I just love them, but I love them for what they are. And as we talked about with Starfield, right, a little bit of pre, but mostly post, right, where it was like I people forget what Bethesda games are. Understandably so because Oblivion was so radical for the time Skyrim was so, oh my God, I can go to them all these different things. But like people just lose sight of what those games are at their DNA. And I don't see the DNA changing for Elder Scrolls 6. I think Elder Scrolls 6 is going to be great. I think a lot of people are going to love it. I do not think it is this. 10 out of 10. Everybody can't believe their eyes. I don't think it's going to have the permutations of a Baldur's Gate. It's going to have the dialogue and acting of this because that's just not what these games are that.

[Snowback Mike]

Well, that will be the thing that people hold against them and ask them when is it going to be time to evolve and change? Because we'll have Crimson Desert out here maybe this year, next year. And that will be something that pushes the gameplay. You've had Baldergate push the narrative and player choice and it's just one of those of. We love Bethesda games. We love the IPs that they've made and what Todd Howard and the team have created. We just want them to grow with us into 2035 and beyond. Will they do that or will they just always be a Bethesda game?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I think they'll continue to do what they do. But where, you know, whenever we talk about game development and how when I was like wanting to be an artist in it, artists are a dime a dozen. You. You could fucking throw a rock and you'd hit an art, a 3D artist and they'd be the best 3D artist you've ever seen in your life. There's so many incredible, incredibly talented artists out there and studios need them less and less. And programmers are probably are the next up. Anybody in technical stuff coding that. Those are like the next up. For me, the. The largest gulf in game development is writing with. With narrative and character writing. And I feel like the people who are the best of the best writers usually go to film or tv. And I think. I legitimately think that Skyrim or sorry, Elder Scrolls 6 can be a really good video game, but if it has moments with characters and story like we've. I just watched episodes one through three of Andor like, man, this is so good. If we can get that level of narrative in gaming more and more consistently, I think that's where we get those. We get the large elevation of experience of you going, man, what an incredible experience Elder Scrolls 6 was. Yeah, the gameplay barely evolved in the, you know, shooting feels fine and magic is awesome. And there's a lot of like, neat things like we saw in Crimson Desert where you can burn the wood and then break it down. You'll see technical jumps like that. But for me it's always been like, man, writing is where gaming is. That's the weakest point. And if that continues to improve, then we'll think back so fondly about those experiences.

[Andy Cortez]

Really good point.

[Greg Miller]

So let's jump into a section I call GTA. Will Grand Theft Auto 6 live up to the hype?

[Andy Cortez]

You know, it's. It's funny. Jordan, the chat. Jordan. The only game of this level with expectations that actually hit it was Final Fantasy 7 Remake. And I do think that's an important thing to think about. Like there are certain games and properties that are just like, oh, it's impossible to actually live up to the hype. And finally seven did. But you look at things where it's like, you do reach a certain point, whether It's Elder Scrolls 6 where it's like, live up to the hype. I don't think it's literally possible for it to do that. Can it be good enough that it's like, well received? Absolutely. And I actually think that it will. GTA 6 the expectations of living up to the hype. There's so many different things of cool. The game needs to last a decade. The game needs to make a bazillion dollars. Plus the game needs to be critically well received and get perfect. If it doesn't get perfect tens, it didn't live up to the hype. So by definition, no. But I do think that in the reality of what we should possibly be expecting from a video game, I do think it's going to live up to it.

[Greg Miller]

GTA 6 lives up to the hype, says Greg Miller.

[Snowback Mike]

Interesting.

[Greg Miller]

I think it nails it.

[Snowback Mike]

I look at it a little bit differently. Does GTA Online live up to it? Because it's not GTA 6 and what that means, it's the online factors you brought up, Tim. Like GTA 5 you can think of people liked it, some people didn't really care for it. You played the campaign, you've moved on for the 10 years. Really what matters is the online. Can that live up to the hype? And there is so much more that they can do in that sandbox. And they've seen that from the RP servers, they've purchased teams that can do that kind of things. And now the question is, can that online live up to the hype that we want that metaverse, that world we live in, is this gonna be what the fans want and expect? And I think that's where the question is.

[Greg Miller]

And I think the answer to that is yes.

[Snowback Mike]

Yes.

[Greg Miller]

The amount of times we as kind of funny have tried to jump back into GTA Online and me and Kevin will have a few nights and then one blessing got hired and we played a fair few. It's like it's you get in it's like, oh, this is so cumbersome. Oh, it's like there's something there but it's not there. I think when you look at all of the shit that's happened since GTA Online originally launched and I mean like in the industry of multiplayers, what do people want? How does this work? The role playing people they've bought and all this. Like I imagine Rockstar has to have been cooking and really working on getting GTA Online to, for lack of a better term, to a place that maybe is going to have a rough launch and all the stuff. But I think you give that another decade of growing on that the install base. Again, just the fact of, I think how many people understand what an online game is now versus or GTA Online originally. So you do it here and you actually make it a. It feels like I'm playing GTA 6 online with my friends and stuff. I think I, yeah, I see it.

[Tim Gettys]

As I, I think GTA Online will be there. Like I think thinking back to GTA Online, how they kind of started discovering what the platform was going to be because initially it's pre roam chaos, a lot of fun. But there's also deathmatch mode and there's a headshots only mode or you know, races and all that stuff. But I, I fully see GTA Online becoming like their Destiny 2 where we will never see a campaign DLC for Grand Theft Auto 6. We will only see large ass patches where or not patches but large large ass expansions where your Destiny guardian or your created character in GTA is the main character of the story. Similar to all of the side stories that you would see in GTA Online. But I think that they take it to a much further level where it's. You're almost getting like a full ass campaign in GTA Online. It's not just a little 40 minute mission where you talk to Lamar or whatever. I think you're gonna be getting full ass big expansive expansions and you will play with your friends and you will do the, the raid, the heist or whatever and you know, cool. That was a lot of fun. We have a lot of other modes. We can go hop in but the next big expansion drops in three months and that's going to be another 12 to 15 hours of story content or whatever. I think that's going to be like their platform going forward.

[Greg Miller]

I agree. I think that'll be pretty huge for them too. My question then on this GTA topic then would become this. Well, we've gotten a sequel to GTA 6 in these 10 years?

[Andy Cortez]

No.

[Greg Miller]

Do you think there ever is a GTA 7 or is it just GTA online updates and purchases and stuff like that?

[Andy Cortez]

Man, that's interesting.

[Greg Miller]

It is interesting. That's what I do. I'm kind of funny.

[Andy Cortez]

I think there is. I think. I don't know if it'll be. I mean I don't think it'll be 10 years, but I think 13 years. 15 years. Yes.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

There's just too much money at play. And like no matter what, no matter how many advancements we make and no matter even if like we don't get to 16k TVs or whatever, whatever they designed for GTA Online 2 is going to feel in some ways outdated in 15 years after whatever the next fortnite is. Whatever the next. You know, all these new things that we don't even know about now, they'll have to be able to adapt those into.

[Tim Gettys]

I think there will be a GTA 7 and it'll be. I mean a lot of it is mainly for me just from a money standpoint of, well, that would generate a massive amount of hype and you can only make so much money and get so much hype off of these GTA Online expansions or these next big updates or heists or whatever. And the seven, being the brand new entry, will have the same amount of groundswell of. Of insane hype that GTA 6 is having right now.

[Snowback Mike]

GTA 7 is going to sell another million million consoles in this generation. Yeah, it's going to do that because.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, let's move on to the One, the only summer game fest. Of course we are two weeks away from the Nintendo Switch 2 launch, which means we are two weeks away and a day from SGF 2025. Tim, in 2035, is SGF still around?

[Andy Cortez]

Hmm, that is interesting, isn't it?

[Greg Miller]

That's what I do on kind of funny games.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm not sure I my gut.

[Greg Miller]

You think it might have evolved into something else?

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, yeah. I just think the industry has a lot of shifts ahead and Summer Game.

[Greg Miller]

Fest, here's what I say. I say yes, but I don't think it's called Summer Game Fest anymore. Maybe it is. Because what my idea here is is I think Summer Game Fest is still around. I think Game Awards is still this premier event, but I think Jeff's gotten even more serious about it and maybe has. Maybe it is that there's Summer Game Fest and Fall Game Fest and this, you know, I mean, like make it a brand that can be more than this and somehow unify that with Game Awards more so people understand at a, at a glance what this is.

[Andy Cortez]

That's my hesitancy in just saying, yes, absolutely. Where I feel like Summer Game Fest in some form there, there will be a place for games to be talked about. I just don't know how that looks. But I think Game Awards, a thousand percent still exist.

[Greg Miller]

Oh, of course, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

And yeah, branding more in line with that I, I could see happening. But I, I would bet, yes, but it's not a sure thing.

[Greg Miller]

I want it downline down.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah, it's an interesting one here, Greg, because we've seen in the past, just couple of years, not the whole decade of E3 going away, that hey, this is the week you got to be here. We've seen that slip away right now. We've seen the powers to the companies of well you can Xbox, you can do it, whatever you want. Hey PlayStation, you could just dictate to us when you want to do this. And so I think we've kind of moved away from the. This has to be the week. This is the one event you show up to. And sure we've added more events along that but like that June event is gone now. My dream, of course. Yeah, I w. I want Jeff to continue on with Summer Game Fest. I think he teams up with the packs and all of a sudden it is a big in person event similar to what we had in the summertime that he can do there. I would love to see that, but I don't think we will see. This is the week long event that we have to be here. The companies have moved to. We're on their time and they can post a trailer anytime they want and they can dictate to us when we see it. Sure, smaller teams need kind of this boost, but I don't think we'll see this anymore.

[Greg Miller]

Andy.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, you know, people love a physical place to go visit as a vacation spot or as a, an event to go hang out and see. Just in the same way that people love going to Comic Cons and things like that. I think it will evolve like Mike is mentioning. I don't know if it's a partnership with pax, but I see it becoming a, a much larger public venue as opposed to like this smaller thing with a, a live event. I see it becoming a much larger attraction in the way that people will go to LA Comic Con to get the big brand new news on the Marvel movies or whatever. I, I see it Becoming a larger thing so people can all kind of gather and, you know, see their favorite video games.

[Greg Miller]

And yeah, I think there was an interesting one that went by live in the Twitch chat where. Oh, no, there it is still there. Brian Matz. There it goes. Of, hey, if Jeff still wants to still do it, it'll do it. But if he retires or he doesn't want to do anymore, it's over. I wholeheartedly disagree with that because I think that's like looking at kind of funny. You'd be like, oh, kind of funny. They'll be around as long as Greg wants to still be on camera.

[Andy Cortez]

Like. Like.

[Greg Miller]

Well, no. The idea is to build something here, a brand, a business that I can eventually, me and Tim and all of us can somehow recede into the background. New voices are lift up and go. Which does lead me to the question is, is Jeff Keighley still hosting the game awards in 10 years?

[Andy Cortez]

I. I don't know that I agree with what you just said. I. I feel like he's building a.

[Greg Miller]

Brand in a business.

[Andy Cortez]

No, I think Jeff's building it. Jeff's building it. I, I think.

[Greg Miller]

I agree he's building, but I think when he. It's like Dick Clark Productions when Dick Clark stepped back and then Ryan Seacrest went in.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, but there's. There's something about Jeff that I don't think people give him enough credit for how much work he does.

[Greg Miller]

I 100 agree with any he can.

[Andy Cortez]

Do because of his legacy and his connections and network. Like, it's. It is like there could be an attempt to continue. I do not think it looks anything like what we have now. And I think what we have now is already not enough for most people. Like, I think that Jeff is able to pull as big gets as he gets because he's Jeff. I literally don't think anyone else, Anyone else could do that. And I also don't think that my disagree are there's not enough of them.

[Greg Miller]

I think the gets get bigger every year to some degree. I mean, obviously there's years where nobody has something to say, but I think he shows that he has this muscle. And yeah, it's Jeff being Jeff, but it's also Jeff with, hey, this thing did x percent more views this year. It's on more platforms than the thing. Like, I think he's building game awards and SGF to be a brand that is going and that is eventually. He's still making those calls. He's still reviewing games. He might not be hosting. He might not be Doing this. And then when he's finally done and retires, that business is gone. Not to mention he's probably maybe even sold the business to somebody or something. That's changed how it looked at in general. But I think eventually you get this machine whipped up enough that is going and it is the brand is what's cool about it for people to be a part of.

[Tim Gettys]

Does it eventually become a style of a. Of a team that becomes like you were mentioning Keely Productions where it's.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Multiple. So it doesn't have to just be Keely.

[Greg Miller]

100%. Yeah. 100%. I think so.

[Tim Gettys]

And then we get hologram key.

[Greg Miller]

I don't think. I don't think Jeff's hosting game awards in 10 years. Years.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the thing is him hosting it 10 years.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm.

[Andy Cortez]

I'm still split 50. 50. I know he. You'd want to. I, I think I, I think that Jeff is not going to stop hosting the game awards if they continue to exist, which I think that they will by choice.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Andy Cortez]

I think other factors might come into play where he's just like, he's forced to have to do it. But it's his baby. He wants to do it. I think he deserves to do it.

[Greg Miller]

Hell yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Go get him, Jeff.

[Greg Miller]

Mike.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah, Greg.

[Greg Miller]

In 10 years, is Hideo Kojima still making games?

[Snowback Mike]

Man, you read my mind, Greg. I saw that one and I said, oh, boy, let's talk about it. All right. Greg Miller, I'd love to say that he is on the retirement tour and he's handing the USB flash stick to Andy Cortez and says, make my games for me. But no, he is still making games and we are looking at fizzing two ten years from now and we are getting excited. Yeah. So here's how my mind goes. In the next 10 years, of course we will get od. We'll get physics.

[Greg Miller]

Whatever you just say we're like five years from Fizz It 1.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. It's like 10 years. We're going to be getting hyped for number two, the sequel be happening. And when we think, oh, man, Hideo, you've done so much like enjoy retirement. Get out of here, big dog. He's going to be fueling the fire of this game rocks and the people want it. I'm back again for this one. And so, Yeah, I think 10 years from now, we're looking at whatever this is, number two, and we're all still excited. He's excited for it.

[Tim Gettys]

I think after Physint is when the movie directorial debut happened.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Tim Gettys]

I still see him working. I think he's just such a workaholic.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't. I think only death can take him from work legitimately. Like I think he's just so passionate and has so many weird ideas and wants to always be as creative as possible.

[Greg Miller]

Of course. What Kojima 61 right now. So we pushing 71 out there. I agree with you, but I think.

[Tim Gettys]

70 is a new 50.

[Greg Miller]

100%. I think Kojima will be making things until he dies. And so maybe that's just a very hands off creative approach. He pitches an idea, somebody goes and makes the game or whatever.

[Andy Cortez]

But yeah, I'm actually with what Mike's saying. I think the only hesitation I have in fizzing two being talked about in 10 years is do movies completely take over his life and that's it. Right. Because I. I can see Physician being the last game because he then makes a movie and then gets addicted to that. And we're four sequels deep into.

[Snowback Mike]

So he's into the movies, but it's Kojima production still making a fist and two.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah, I imagine.

[Snowback Mike]

Yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Okay.

[Andy Cortez]

But. But even then I. I think he's making games. I think he's making games till he dies. But I also think he's gonna make movies.

[Tim Gettys]

I really think he's going to try to find a. Like this is going to sound like a joke. I think he's going to do all of all he can to research into copying his consciousness. Like legit. I really think that like if anybody's going to not do it in terms of tech, I'm not saying that he's like this tech mogul billionaire or whatever, but if anybody is going to want to do that the most, it will be him.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

In 10 years, Miyamoto will be 82.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Is he still making video games?

[Andy Cortez]

I mean he's not making video games at 72. Right. Like he's moved on to theme parks and movies. And I think the bigger question is will we ever see a Miyamoto game again? And I don't think so. I think me and most influence clearly.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Cortez]

He'll be involved will be in the credits of many games. But I don't think we see another Miyamoto game. And I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. The last couple we got from him weren't necessarily what we remember him for. So Yeah, I do think that you bring it up this like will we see more from these. These developers? Like an important thing to note is the first class of game designers are on their way out at this point. Like games have been made for a very long time. Yeah, it's crazy that Super Mario Brothers 1 was made by a handful of people. It's even crazier that that handful of people for the most part like by a vast majority are still working at Nintendo. In 10 years they won't be. So.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, we saw that newer sort of team during. Was it Mario, was it Mario Kart World or was it Bonanza where we're seeing these?

[Greg Miller]

I thought it was the opening of the switch too, right, where.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Just seeing newer faces we hadn't really seen a whole lot. I. Yeah, I think that newer class eventually newer class. And it's a bunch of like 40.

[Andy Cortez]

50 year olds that have been working on these games for a very long time. Right? Yeah. But now it's there to time to really.

[Tim Gettys]

Right?

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

In 10 years Neil Druckman will be 56. Is he still making video games?

[Andy Cortez]

Yes.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. You don't think he gets fully taken over by movies, tv?

[Andy Cortez]

No, he got that gamer in him, man. Like I think that he's in such a unique position too where it's like he's getting the. The acclaim and the have your cake and eat it too. It's like he can create these worlds and then present them in multiple forms of media. And I think that he has the golden ticket with HBO at this point. So yeah, I feel like he wants to be a creator. Like I think that creating worlds and IP is of great value to him. But I think that all starts in games.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm totally with you. I think that you saying that he's got that game room, that's like the first thing that came to my mind as well. I think he's too into the challenge of making a fun interactive thing with really like resonant narrative themes and stuff. Like I think he just really loves the process of all of it. I mean even with that report of him working on a second game as well. Like that kind of caught me off guard at least. Yeah, I think he will still be super into wanting to continue game development. But also yeah, 10 nailed it with have his cake and needed too. How can I push these mediums forward? And I kind of have, you know, all the permission in the world to also dive into other mediums now because they've seen what can happen.

[Snowback Mike]

Greg, does he get allured to go somewhere else?

[Greg Miller]

I Think so. I don't know anything. Obviously. This is just fucking making it up as you go. My thought would be that at some point opportunities are going to present themselves to Neil that he'd want to chase. And I think PlayStation wouldn't want him to chase. Not even. Not in a nefarious shitty way. But like PlayStation is paying you, paying Naughty Dog to pay you. Right. To make this. But you're getting an opportunity to go direct this show, go make this movie, go do this thing. I think I could easily see it being Neil's like, I'm gonna step away from Naughty Dog. I've loved my time here in the kennel with the dogs. I'm gonna go over here, I'm gonna make some weird shit. I'm gonna do some stuff that doesn't disqualify him from contributing to an independent project, making an independent game, doing something like that. But that's the shake up I could see coming. That eventually is Neil Druckmann. You get into a lot of. There's a lot of scenarios. I was going to say Kojima Konami. Greg Miller ign. But it's like, what's the brand loyalty? What are you trying to do? What, what is PlayStation ever going to get pissed off that Neil's Neil? You know what I mean? That he's become this name and then it's harder to manage and do stuff with that.

[Tim Gettys]

I could see him wanting even more freedom and wanting to make his own thing that isn't. That's still game. A game studio, but no longer under the watchful eye of Sony up there.

[Greg Miller]

You know, I appreciated that last year's time caps. 10 years ago's time capsule was like a 22 minute episode.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And this is already gone so long and I have so many more bullet points to go on. Well, and you got to review Mission Impossible. Maybe we'll do a second part later on for the industry at large. The one question I want to end on is this something we're all very worried about? Talking all the time. Andy, in 10 years is generative A.I.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay, okay.

[Greg Miller]

Have we figured out how to use A.I. in a game that is. In a way that isn't. Oh God, I hate this. And it's. It's stripped the soul out of everything.

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, like, yeah, generative AI specifically.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Miller]

If we're.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, you're still going to have the people that are okay with it.

[Andy Cortez]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, there's plenty of people who feel like it's okay to do that.

[Greg Miller]

Is there any chance this is like NFTs where it's just over?

[Tim Gettys]

No, no, no. It's gonna keep ramping up. I think it's gonna continue to get its foothold and you'll see more and more people out of jobs. But then you'll also see the pushback of I, I think you will see more and more people, higher ups, directors and things like that in these more powerful, advantageous positions of power that go that we don't do that in the same way that you see. Oh gosh. Who are the spider Verse creators?

[Greg Miller]

Lord and Miller.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, Lord and Miller like them being very vocal like that. We don't want that. We're not agreeing to do anything like that. I think you will see a push in the pool between the much larger creative heads going, we're gonna go off and do our own thing. Hey, big corporation, if you're really gonna dive deep into this, we'll create our own thing over here. You can keep doing that. Have fun with it. You know, I think there's going to be a much larger, stronger divide.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, anybody else want to chime in?

[Andy Cortez]

I agree entirely with Andy.

[Greg Miller]

All right, fair enough then. Everybody, thank you for listening, watching and enjoying this episode of the Kind of Funny Games cast. I'm excited to hopefully be alive in 10 years to watch it again and write it all down and see what we got right and what we got wrong and what all was just nobody could have predicted that. Nobody could have predicted that. Thank you for watching. Thank you for super chatting. We didn't get through nearly all of them again. I will copy them, put them in here. Maybe we do a follow up up. Maybe we get back here, talk a little bit more about this stuff. Remember, of course, we're live each and every weekday. Twitch TV, kindafunnygames, YouTube.com kindafunnygames Apple and Spotify and all the other podcast services. I should say from here you're gonna go into Mission Impossible in review and then get a stream that apparently will be the end of the Pokemon thing. We'll see about that. Of course, if you liked what you saw today, please pick up a membership patreon.com kinda funny YouTube.com kindafunnygames Apple and Spotify to get all of our shows ad free, support us and of course get your daily dose of me, Greg Miller in a series we call Greg Way until next time or ten years from now. It's been our pleasure to serve you.