Wolverine PS5 Wishlist - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Summary

Kinda Funny Gamescast: Wolverine PS5 Wishlist - Episode Summary

Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Tim Gettys, Greg Miller, Blessing Adeoye Jr.
Theme: The hosts lay out their wish list and expectations for Marvel's Wolverine on PS5 by Insomniac Games, analyzing trailers, discussing gameplay possibilities, story structure, violence, connections to other Marvel games, and more.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a deep dive into everything fans want and don’t want from Insomniac’s upcoming Marvel’s Wolverine on PS5. Using both official trailers and their extensive knowledge of Insomniac’s past work and Marvel lore, the hosts discuss hype levels, mechanics, tone, and narrative direction. The conversation is lively, mixing critical analysis with comedic asides and personal hopes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hype, Trailers, and First Impressions

• Trailer Recap: The group watches the initial 2021 teaser and the 2025 gameplay trailer back-to-back to refresh their thoughts.
  • Notable reference: The “HLK 181” license plate in the first trailer, a nod to Wolverine’s first comic appearance against the Hulk. (07:12)
• Hype Levels: All hosts are extremely excited—primarily because of Insomniac’s pedigree, the potential for elevated violence, and the uniqueness of Wolverine as a protagonist versus Spider-Man.
  • Blessing: "It being Insomniac. It being a different IP than Spider man for Insomniac. I know we're still within the Marvel world, but I think that is the most exciting thing possible when you think about what their version of the Marvel world looks like." (09:43)
  • Tim: “Every hit and punch, every strike there, I want to call it a strike. It's very visceral. And you can feel how it's going to feel playing the game, watching this.” (10:45)

2. Combat, Violence, & Gameplay Feel

• Comparisons to Previous Insomniac Games: Concern that, while the animations look cinematic, the raw, visceral feel needed for a proper Wolverine game might be hard to balance with Insomniac’s polished, sometimes “popcorn” style (akin to Spider-Man). (12:14–14:20)
  • Greg: “I want it to feel like I'm fucking coming to kill you and I'm taking you apart piece by piece with my claws.” (14:20)
• Desire for Visceral Combat: Many references to the 2009 “X-Men Origins: Wolverine” game as an inspiration for brutality and impactful combat.
• Gameplay Mechanics: Discussion of possible mechanics:
  • Toggling claws in/out (a “SNIKT” button).
  • Berserker mode (likely mapped to L3+R3).
  • DualSense haptics for claw pops and visceral slashes.
  • Environmental destruction.
  • Potential for wall jumps, throwing enemies, and creative use of healing factor. (44:07 – 44:56)
  • Blessing: “What is the mechanic? What is the button you press that feels satisfying?” (44:15)

3. Open World vs. Linear Structure

• Expectations on Structure: The group speculates Wolverine will likely not be a huge open-world like Spider-Man, but rather a more curated, semi-linear experience in the vein of Ratchet & Clank, or even Naughty Dog’s Uncharted.
  • Blessing: "I see it being more of a Ratchet and Clank kind of structure, right? Like you're going to these locations, they're going to be... semi linear." (17:28)
• Desire for Polished, Cinematic Experience: There’s a hope that, by focusing on a tight, story-driven game (10–12 hours), the result could be a step up in narrative and critical acclaim.
  • Tim: “Does that have the chance to elevate this then?” (21:52)
  • Blessing: “Yes, I think it has a chance to speak to people in a way that might even be deeper than Spider Man… That’s how you get an Insomniac 9.5 to 10 out of 10 game.” (22:14)

4. Story, Timeline, and Marvel Universe Connections

• When Does It Take Place? General consensus is post-X-Men, with Logan operating solo, and flashbacks to his X-Men days.
  • Greg: “I think this is post X Men or concurrently with them, but I would say post. My imagination runs away for no reason really. But from what we're seeing of a Logan who has left the X Men…” (25:08)
• How Much X-Men? While Mystique will play a core role, any other X-Men presence is expected to be minimal—cameos, brief assists, or flashbacks only.
  • Blessing: "If X Men are there outside of like Mystique and the characters that are core to the story, if we're making a strong, stronger allusion to the X Men, I expect one to two scenes max." (29:58)
  • Greg: "This is a Wolverine game and not an X Men game..." (30:08)
• Story Structure: Possibilities of globetrotting across places like Madripoor, Squamish, and more mentioned; linear but location-based progression.
• Playable Characters: Likely playable Mystique sequence(s), parallels drawn to Spider-Man's Mary Jane or Miles segments. Desire for these to be fun and not disruptive. (31:10–32:47)
• X-23 / Laura Kinney: Possibility of featuring Logan’s female clone, either in flashbacks or as a late-game surprise. (35:20–36:31)
• Cameos & Crossovers:
  • Spider-Man: Possible light references (e.g., newspaper headlines, background TV), but unlikely for him to appear substantially due to tonal differences.
    • Tim: “My gut says not in a substantial way.” (41:01)
    • Greg: “I can see him being in the newspaper, on the TV or whatever but I don't think he's going to help him in the mission.” (42:16)
  • Hulk: Strong speculation that a Hulk vs. Wolverine fight will be somewhere in the game (possibly as a flashback, prologue, or major set-piece), especially due to the license plate Easter egg.
• Deadpool: Both Greg and Tim are strongly against a Deadpool cameo, agreeing it would break the tone unless the game turns out much more comedic than expected. (50:47–51:39)
• Post-Credits & Next Steps: Expectation that the Xavier School will appear, perhaps in a post-credits tease, setting up future X-Men games. (48:26–49:24)

5. Insomniac as a Studio & Critical Expectations

• S-tier Debate: Playful debate—Insomniac is seen as consistently 8.5–9/10 but not yet a “five-star Michelin” studio like Naughty Dog.
  • Blessing: “For me, it's almost like Insomniac is a cheesecake factory... at the end. And it's all. It's all great. But I know it's not the five star Michelin thing Naughty Dog's…” (18:42)
  • Tim: “S tier can involve 8.5 to 9 games... there's a level there of consistency of fun...” (14:36)
• Strengths & Weaknesses: Insomniac is praised for making mechanically fun, consistently high-quality games. The hosts hope Wolverine will tap deeper emotion and story (like “Logan” the film).

6. Wishlist Features

• Gritty, grounded tone—deeply rooted in Wolverine’s anguish, survival, and violence.
• Combat that’s cathartic, not just cinematic.
• Use of DualSense and PS5 features for immersion (claws, berserker mode, destructible environments).
• Narrative that’s focused and personal, with high-intensity set-pieces.
• Smart, meaningful Marvel cameos—only where they fit tonally and narratively.
• A sense of Wolverine “against the world” but with hints of larger Marvel universe.
• Fun inside joke requests: A basketball kid NPC at Xavier’s school as a Kinda Funny callback, and, jokingly, mangoes lying around.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Blessing on Violence & Gameplay:
  “I think there's something even just on a pure gameplay level, there's something about the sharpness of the claws that just hits differently than the fists of Spider Man.” (10:17)
• Greg on Visceral Combat:
  “I want to be in these fight scenes and have those things where I get stabbed… And then it's the eye. You punch him off and you roll up and it falls out doing that thing.” (20:33)
• Tim on Open Worlds:
  “The core character of Spider man is being distracted, having too many things to focus on at once… I think with Wolverine it’s a very different… story.” (23:31)
• Greg on Pacing:
  “Something crazy happens in the Spider man story and then you fuck off for three hours to go chase pigeons… If this was like, yeah, it's just Logan's story, right? 10 hours, 12 hours even... that would serve very well.” (22:28)
• Hulk Fight Hopes:
  “This might be your only shot… do the thing, man.” (34:02)
• Deadpool in Wolverine?
  Greg: “It just doesn’t work to have, ‘Hey, well, hey guys.’ … that's multiple levels of levity beyond Spider man that I just don't think we enter.” (50:47)
• Basketball Kid Request (Greg, text to Marcus Smith):
  “When Wolverine… ends up at the school. Make there be a kid with basketball. It's a kind of funny in review reference. Thank you.” (51:57)
• Parting Thought:
  “I hope it feels like I'm boots on the ground, Wolverine... this you're behind the claws feeling.” – Greg (53:16)

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Important Timestamps

• 09:43 – Initial reactions, hype, and violence expectations
• 12:14–14:20 – Concerns about gameplay feeling too “Insomniac” or not visceral enough
• 17:28–19:22 – Structural predictions: open world vs. semi-linear, “Cheesecake Factory” analogy
• 21:52–23:31 – Could a focused linear game elevate the experience?
• 25:08–26:44 – Story timeline guesses, X-Men presence
• 31:10–32:47 – On mission-based, multiple playable characters (Mystique, others?)
• 35:20–36:31 – Laura Kinney/X-23 and other “Wolverine” characters
• 41:01–42:16 – Will Spider-Man appear? Probably not; cameos at most.
• 44:07–44:56 – Wishlist for claws, special moves, haptic feedback, berserker mode
• 48:26–49:24 – Speculation on Xavier’s school, post-credits teases
• 50:47–51:39 – Deadpool cameo discussion (firm “No”)
• 53:16–54:45 – Final hopes: grounded, personal journey; “I want this to feel like boots on the ground Wolverine.”

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a thorough, thoughtful, and at times hilarious wishlist for Marvel’s Wolverine. The hosts are optimistic yet realistic about Insomniac’s strengths and discuss the tension between satisfying blockbuster spectacle and tapping into Wolverine’s uniquely gritty, violent heart. They hope for a game that is narratively focused, emotionally resonant, and mechanically satisfying, with a healthy respect for Marvel lore—but fundamentally, a Wolverine story that only Insomniac could deliver.

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For full context, listen for:

• References to comic book lore and Marvel gaming history
• The S-tier studio debate and analogies
• Passionate pleas for violence and emotional depth
• In-jokes and community shoutouts (mangoes, basketball kid)
• Speculation on the future of Insomniac’s Marvel universe

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Greg Miller]

Foreign.

[Tim Gettys]

What'S up and welcome to your kind of funny games cast for Tuesday, October 7, 2025. Of course, I'm your host, Tim Yetis. I am joined today by blessing. Adio Ye junior.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Good day, Tim and Greg Miller.

[Greg Miller]

I like a good email chain and yeah, a good one. Right now we got one of those random emails sent to me, you know what I mean? Like, hey, this brand, which isn't a gaming brand, is trying to get into the gaming space and would love to pay you to put your insta. You know, whatever, put it up on a real. Or something. I was like, I probably pass on that but what about a sponsorship of the shows? And then I got the hey, I'm following up to see if you'd want it. I said, what about a sponsorship show? I got the hey, why are you. And so I said today. And she was like, you know, I'd love any insight on why this isn't working. And I respond, I keep asking if you're interested in a sponsorship of the shows, but you keep answering like you didn't read that and you're a bot. That's the insight.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm getting a call from maybe Jack right now. Greg, do you want to answer and see if they want to do a sponsorship? Yeah, go for it. You're not looking for business funding anymore.

[Greg Miller]

Is this Jack 7 and market close. Jack, where. What is the. I know it's the games cast. Give me an apple cast for a hot sec.

[Tim Gettys]

Animal cast.

[Greg Miller]

Apple.

[Tim Gettys]

Okay. Or the fruit.

[Greg Miller]

There was supposed to be this whole thing and I've seen other people getting it now where the AI or whatever that it answers and does like it's scanning. Oh, you're gonna call. Might be spam. Like tell him to off.

[Tim Gettys]

That's if we, if I, if you didn't answer as quickly, it would have popped up here and it would have like gave me a transcode of what was being.

[Greg Miller]

Did you opt into AI? Is that maybe the thing?

[Tim Gettys]

Probably, I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

That's probably it. I never opt in.

[Tim Gettys]

Maybe.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Is it supposed to? Like, was this supposed to.

[Greg Miller]

It's supposed to be like, hey, this is Greg's phone. What the fuck you want Nicer.

[Tim Gettys]

Mine does. If you call me right now if it gets the voicemail, like I didn't know this until last week, but it's like my Siri is like the boy band sounding one. And so it's just like, hey, Tim's busy right now leaving this. It wasn't. I didn't choose that. It shows me you know what I mean?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's nuts. You're too old.

[Tim Gettys]

I did just get an email similar to what Greg's talking about that the subject line is Quick question, hey Tim, do you still have a strong player base for games like CLAR obscure Expedition 33? If so, I believe I may have some ideas that could save you up to 70% on infrastructure costs. Go fuck yourselves. What a hard left that is. What are we talking about, man?

[Greg Miller]

Hello, Greg. Is selling the business something you consider we help owner find buyers. The content creation business like yours.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh God. What?

[Greg Miller]

I said yes. You gotta take every shot you get.

[Tim Gettys]

Remember everyone, this is the kind of funny game gamescast. Each and every weekday we get together to talk about the biggest reviews, previews and topics in video games live on YouTube, Twitch and podcast services around the globe. If you love what we do, please support us with the kind of funny membership on Patreon, YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcast to get all of our shows ad free, watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show. For a chance to be part of this show, we need you to YouTube super chat. We're talking all about Wolverine on PS5. Our wish list, what we want to see, what we don't want to see. And I want to know what you want and don't want from Insomniac's Wolverine. So please, please super chat in and we'll get to them throughout the show. Today. Another little update for you. We are having some problems on Spotify. I think I have figured out the problem. Games Daily 2000 is still not up on Spotify. It should be on all other podcast services. If it's not, please let me know somehow because I am working on it and trying to get everything figured out. But as always, back ends change update cause problems. If you're having problems, unsubscribe, resubscribe and that hopefully will fix your issues. Not with the game's daily 2000. On Spotify that's a different thing. Randomly there's like a section of Games Daily 2000 that I don't understand why, but went from 60 frames per second to 256 frames.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

It got real smooth all of a sudden. Like they really got to show off.

[Tim Gettys]

These donuts cause some problems there, man. So I don't know what's going on. But anyways, we're an 11 person business all about live talk shows and trying our best. Games Daily covered Nintendo being weird, doing weird things. Definitely go check that baby out. What's up with that baby, man? Is it Rosalina Is it a Pikmin? Who knows? Oh, man. If you love what we do, you know, I already said that. After this the kind of funny podcast, it's going to be a good one. We got me, Greg, Nick and Joey on that, champ. Greg and Nick have an energy. It's already brewing. I've already sighed 10 times.

[Greg Miller]

You're not ready for it.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, I don't even want to hear it. It's going to bother me then. The stream is the Call of Duty beta experience. If you're a kind of funny member. Today's Greg Ways 20 minutes of the Taylor Swift Defense Force TSDF.

[Greg Miller]

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[Tim Gettys]

Somebody has to. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster Delaney, the Psalm Twining. Today we're brought to you by Factor. We'll tell you all about that later. For now, let's start with the topic of the show. The 12. Raine, baby, it's officially happening. We already knew that, but it's been a while since we've got a check in from them. Legally, officially, in any which way possible. So we got a trailer of the announcement for this game on September 9, 2021, many moons ago. And then just a few short Weeks ago on September 24, 2025, pretty much four years almost to the day. You know, we got the actual gameplay trailer getting a little bit more of this game. So I want to start this off by watching both trailers back to back just so we can get a little reminder what's going on. And then we're gonna go kind of through just different elements of this, the game story, how similar we want it to be to Spider man or other insomniac games. What we want different, all of that stuff. So if you have thoughts, super chat them in and we'll get to it. But let's start this off with trailer number one, the announcement, the tease.

[Greg Miller]

A lot of magipore. Remember that cowboy hat? It's a bar. What are you going to do?

[Tim Gettys]

What are you going to do?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That guy.

[Tim Gettys]

Who is that man?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think that's Logan. That looks like Logan.

[Greg Miller]

Guys.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Logan, I thought this was a spider man. Turns out this is not a spider man. That's Logan. Remember that?

[Greg Miller]

I do remember that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

This is all the insomniac logo at.

[Tim Gettys]

The dark end of the street. You.

[Greg Miller]

Haven'T watched that a long time.

[Tim Gettys]

Still, I mean, good. Come on, come on. I. I will say that this will come up later in the conversation, but Kev, if you scroll back a bit, when we get the shot of Logan from behind, which I do know is 90 of this trailer. If you look there on the bottom right, the license plate.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Hlk 181.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

You Google what that is? It's the Hulk versus Wolverine issue.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

So very excited.

[Greg Miller]

I remember. You know, we don't need to go through them all here. We could look it up if we wanted to. I remember the breakdowns of all, like, the IGN breakdowns of all the different references up there and what they were pulling from.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, it's not the iconic, like, reflection. It's the. The other one from 1962. But still very, very cool. We'll get to that later. But, yeah, let's check out the trailer from a couple weeks ago.

[Greg Miller]

A long overdue on, some would say.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, yes. Been fighting longer than I can remember. Come on.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Jesus, St.

[Tim Gettys]

I'd like to say I'm not a violent man that trouble just has a way of finding me But I'd be lying doesn't matter where I go how far I run Death's always waiting Just not for me.

[Greg Miller]

What a line.

[Tim Gettys]

Yep.

[Greg Miller]

Whoa.

[Tim Gettys]

Because I ain't no hero. I'm Wolverine. God, that's gonna be cool. That's gonna be so good.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sick.

[Tim Gettys]

All right, so there we go. That is all the official anything that we've gotten from. From Wolverine from Insomniac. Let's just start off with the easiest question of all time. Hype levels.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I'm very hyped for this. Yeah, I'm extremely hyped for this. Right. And there's many reasons for that. It being Insomniac. It being a different IP than Spider man for Insomniac. I know we're still within the Marvel world, but I think that is the most exciting thing possible when you think about what their version of the Marvel world looks like. And then also them getting to ante up the intensity and the aggression and the violence factor. I think it's fun. You mentioned that this is pretty much everything we've seen from the game. There is still that sequence that they had in the last day to play where they talked about what they're doing here. They showed off the actor that's portraying Wolverine. And then also they talked.

[Tim Gettys]

Liam.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Liam. And they also talked a lot about the blood. They got all up in the. Here's the blood tech we got to work on for this game. And it seems like there was a big conversation for them around how to really make that pop, how to really make that work. And I think that just speaks to the elevated level of violence here. And so I think with all that being said, I'm hyped for this. I think there's something even just on a pure gameplay level, there's something about the sharpness of the claws that just hits differently than the fists of Spider Man.

[Tim Gettys]

Every hit and punch, every strike there, I want to call it a strike. It's very visceral. And you can feel how it's going to feel playing the game, watching this.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Even as we're playing Ghost of Yote. Right. Like, I mean, that is steel, but it's oftentimes steel on steel. Then you get that final hit. And that is like the stab or the slash or whatever, I think. Yeah. When you're playing as Wolverine and it is like the I'm gonna repeatedly stab you over and over dual sense haptics.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Feeling the blood, feeling the squish in.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

The haptics, I'm excited.

[Tim Gettys]

And, Greg, what about you?

[Greg Miller]

I am hype, obviously. I don't think that's gonna catch anybody off guard. As somebody who loves comic book games and loves Wolverine, I think as both a character and a conc. Ride it for a video game, I would say, though, coming off of it, I have realistic hype and realistic expectations. I think, as I look at that, I'm excited for everything we see there. But I do sit there and go, stick with me. It looks like an insomniac game. It looks like Spider man, which is a fantastic thing, but Spider man flows and feels far different than Wolverine the way character models move. And yes, there's the thunk that you see it of getting in there and doing it. But, like, so much of what we're seeing there, I think, is cutscenes or what we're doing. I want to see what it looks like when I'm actually playing and I'm tearing but up and what that feels like, is that going to feel like I am this unleashed Wolverine and anything can happen? Or is it going to feel very much like canned animations? And I'm playing this blockbuster movie and that's great and good and gonna be. But it's so hard to say and not sound insulting because, I mean, I love the Spider man games from Insomniac so much. Are they. I know we just saw him tear people apart and stab them and put it through there. But, like, are we going. Is it going to have rough edges of, like, it's fucking Wolverine, or is it going to feel like I'm watching a Marvel movie Wolverine, and I don't Know if you know, I, I. Am I making sense with you?

[Tim Gettys]

You're totally. You're definitely making.

[Greg Miller]

I feel like I'm trying to put concepts.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

Into a sentence here. That it looks so much like it. It's in the Spider man universe. Right. It's all 1048. It looks like that. And is it going to go beyond that and feel more visceral than that? As I feel like it should. Even though it necessarily shouldn't because he's in the yellow suit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What is visceral to you?

[Greg Miller]

X Men Origins. Wolverine.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Oh, the video game. Yeah, sorry, I thought you meant the movie.

[Tim Gettys]

I was like so mad.

[Greg Miller]

I was like, what are you talking about? Not fucking say that? No. Like that was the thing of like how over the top and awesome the video game X Men Origins. Wolverine was of course a bad movie. Of course not a great video game, bad storyline, whatever. But seeing Wolverine just in just normal gameplay, blown apart down to the end of Skeleton.

[Tim Gettys]

It's what we want.

[Greg Miller]

Hearing dudes, they had lopping off arms. Ah. Like that lunge you would do. That was just like that screaming rage. Yeah. Like we're seeing all that cinematically here. But are we going to carry that feeling into gameplay and is it going to feel like that or is it going to feel again? Spider Man, I feel like, is the analog here that I'm using and I enjoy Spider man, but like, I don't sit there like Batman, Arkham Asylum, any of the Batman games. When I'm doing that and I'm piling on, beating thugs and then I reverse and I do the thing and I throw the Batarang, I feel like I'm so in the combat flow, in control. This is the game. Whereas for me with Spider man, the combat was I'm kind of hitting buttons and doing cool shit, doing cool flips and. Yeah, okay, now this specific enemy comes and I know I need to web the shield or throw out this gadget or whatever. It just felt like Spider man was popcorn in such an interesting way. Where Wolverine. I wanted to feel like I'm fucking coming to kill you and I'm taking you apart piece by piece with my claws.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Kebabs mentioned in chat. I want to, I want to bring the conversation. Are you saying Insomniac doesn't feel S tier to you?

[Greg Miller]

No, I'm not saying.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Okay.

[Greg Miller]

I'm not saying that at all. We cannot argue that Insomniac is an S tier PlayStation Studio with them put in lineup. Yeah, but you changed your tune.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

I Think so.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't think I ever did.

[Greg Miller]

I thought, oh, I think we this when we ran this joke into the ground, I thought at the end you finally conceded.

[Tim Gettys]

I'm firmly on the Insomniac is S tier side of the conversation. And I, I think that S tier can involve 8.5 to 9 games. You know what I mean? I think, I think that there's. There's a level there of consistency of fun that I, I feel like the style of game and what I love so much about the Insomniac games, I think there, there has to be a ceiling on the getting to that 10 level. Just because I. I think that a lot of the things that I love most about it are kind of the padding are kind of the fetch questy type stuff of like just more things to do. Just give me more things to do because I just want to do more things.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And I think that when you start doing that it critically starts to chip off a little bit about the. Okay, you really are just doing this over and over and over. But it's like doing it over and over is so fun that I hope it making sense there. But when it comes to the Wolverine side of things, like, I do think that the violent nature that we're seeing, all the cutscenes, I think that what we're seeing so far from this trailer is proof to me that the gameplay is going to back that up. I do think that the combat and fights are going to be that visceral and have that much bloodshed and feel that that like you are Wolverine ripping people apart. My question there though is from a combat perspective, gameplay wise, control wise, the things your move set and what you're doing. Spider man does have all of the gadgets in the Insomniac games. Like it is a very, very tech forward Spider man and a lot of that combat was the kind of rock paper, scissors of do they have a shield? Do they not have a shield? How big are they are projectile, not projectile, that type of stuff. But a lot of it was cycle through the thing and I don't want to say willy nilly button mash because I do think that there's a lot you could do that. But I also think that you could play it a lot more strategically and do things with purpose. I just wonder what Wolverines arsenal is. Arsenal's going to be right. Like is there going to be a weapon wheel of some sort? Is it going to match the Spider man thing exactly or not? And then the bigger thing is cool. The Violence, I do think adds. And I. I can see how from a gameplay perspective, not just like, oh man, this is cool because it's violent way, but more from a. Yeah, like there's you, Metal Gear Rising, Revengeance, right? It's like you can turn violence into gameplay and have that be satisfying. And I think that Insomniac has the stuff. They're not showing it yet, but I think that that's by design. I agree they will. But my bigger thing is the open world nature of Spider man, which is the majority of the game, I would say, right? It's like there are linear sections story wise, but otherwise you're going around the city kind of just doing open, fun things because they're fun to do. And I don't expect that from Wolverine. So I do question what is in place of that? If the violence is in place of the tech and moveset arsenal stuff, what's in place of swinging around the city?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, I see it being more of a ratchet and clank kind of structure, right? Like you're going to these locations, they're going to be. I would. I guess. I would guess semi linear, right? Where you're going around, there might be different paths or whatever. I don't. I don't know what. And I'm excited for them to show me. What does a collectible look like in this video game, right? Like what do. Are you picking up voice notes? Are you picking up remnants of previous X Men dog tags, references to other Marvel characters and all that stuff? I think at the end of the day, and this kind of ties back to, I think what Greg's talking about in terms of Insomniac. There is a level of game design that Insomniac brings to the table, and I think it is sort of predictable, but in a good way. Right? I love Insomniac. When we get into the S tier A tier conversation, it's almost ridiculous because we're talking about, right? We're all saying the same thing of they're an excellent studio. But I think for me, I still am in the place where I look at Insomniac as a studio that produces very great 8.5 to 9 games. And I, when I look at Wolverine, right, I almost see it as when you go to a restaurant and they have a big menu, right. For me, it's almost like Insomniac is a cheesecake factory in the way that they can give me a burger, they can give me a cheesecake, they can give me the Buffalo Blasters, but like at the end. And it's all. It's all great.

[Greg Miller]

But I know it's not the five star Michelin thing. Naughty dogs.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. And even to even further it. Right. I know that in that kitchen, it's all the same ingredients. You go to a restaurant and you know that when you order these different food, like these different menu items, they're gonna taste a little bit similar because they're only working with a limited number of ingredients. That's any restaurant. And so when Insomniac is giving me Sunset Overdrive and then they're giving me Ratchet and then they're giving me Spider Man, I'm not gonna look at Wolverine and go, oh, this is gonna be different. I'll look at it and go, oh, there's gonna be a different flavor Insomniac tends to give me. And so, like, I think I do judge it or not judge it. I think I view it through that lens of. All right. I think I view it less so as what does Insomniac bring to Wolverine? And more so what does Wolverine bring to Insomniac? What does this.

[Tim Gettys]

Look at it, right?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Look like. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

One of the things I'd like to bring up, I saw it go by the chat a while ago was somebody being like, well, with Greg's talking about gameplay and visceral and stuff. What does he think of the gameplay here? We're seeing gameplay. You're acting like you're not seeing gameplay. I really don't think you're seeing gameplay. Stick with me. You are. Especially in that alleyway where he's slicing at people. There's no hud. There's minimal effects. There's also a lot of these fights. You're seeing, like this thing here. Yeah. You're controlling this. You're tapping a. Or. I'm sorry, X or circle, like in the same. Like. But that's not the mo. I want to see what it looks like to walk down the alleyway, have the conversation. It explodes into a fight. They come in my claws like, what are we doing there? How does that flow and vibe? These are all the end of gameplay. Even as you jumping at the things of Wolverine leaping. The best you have is that alleyway where Wolverine's moving his claws around and slashing to people. And it doesn't look like it's that impactful, that powerful. I'd much rather it be like when I'm in these fight scenes and I'm sure this is happening again there. They have to keep stuff back. Right. I'm hoping we're in fight scenes where we are at it. And the guy here. This is the one. You know the actual gameplay. Right. But again, how does this get set up? What does it feel like? It's the idea that, like, I want to be in these fight scenes and have those things where I get stabbed, Right?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

And then it's the eye. You punch him off and you roll up and it falls out doing that thing. And what does that look like for him? Are they using, like, we see his cheek in a cutscene cut. And what. What's happening in a normal thing when you're getting shot by a billion machine guns?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

One of the things that I'm seeing a lot in this trailer as well are like a lot of what seemed like to what you're saying, Greg, a lot of set piece moments. And.

[Greg Miller]

Which is to be expected in the.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

First trailer, which is to be expected. But also I think coming off of Spider Man 2, the set pieces in that game were fucking excellent. Like, when I'm thinking about the opening and the fight against sand and stuff and how cool that was. If we're going for a more linear approach, but we're still going for something that's obviously not Ratchet and Clank, you're dealing with a violent superhero. I want to see some of those set piece moments almost mirror an uncharted level of like, oh, this happens. Like, you know, seeing him riding the motorcycle, I want to control that. Right. And then when he goes down and then lands on the truck or whatever. Like, I want.

[Greg Miller]

You want to be like uncharted jeep right where we were doing. And then for a cut, a cinematic cut scene or whatever it would pull.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. Like, I guess I think to Tim's question of, you know, what do. What do the. What does that structure look like as far as. All right, it's not an open world. What are we doing here? I could see it like, if they really locked in and really, like if they looked at maybe Naughty Dog for some of that inspiration, I could see it being a lot of moment to moment. No, we've really curated an experience that's gonna be with. You're gonna be able to control it, but, like, you're still gonna have those crazy things happening or sliding down the roof. You're doing this thing, you're doing that thing.

[Tim Gettys]

Now. This is a insane question to bring up, but I think with the context of the conversation we're having, I think it's interesting if they were to do that limited a bit, make every single thing a banger set Piece moment or not set piece, but story driven, gameplay driven, all of that kind of adding up to cut the fat. This is not a collectathon. This is not this giant open thing. Does that have the chance to elevate this then?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes, I think it has a chance to speak to people in a way that might even be deeper than Spider Man. Just I think maybe on the critical level, I think that's how you get to an insomniac 9.5 to 10 out of 10 game.

[Greg Miller]

Well, yeah, because again, I think even beyond critics, right, you're just talking about giving someone a polished cinematic story where you're able to keep them moving and keep them going and kind of control those plot beats rather than it be something crazy happens in the Spider man story and then you fuck off for three hours to go chase pigeons and get spider bots and stuff like that. That's what we both love. And then lose so much of, of like, oh, well, the golden path is this. But I didn't get it in the right order. I didn't do the thing, you know, you do that where if this was like, yeah, it's just Logan's story, right? 10 hours, 12 hours even. And even that might be long in the tooth for what you're doing, but it is whatever the objective is that takes him from Squamish, British Columbia, as we saw there, over to Magiport, over, you know, I mean, as he does this globetrotting adventure as Wolverine. I think that would serve very well because again, I don't need Wolverine gta. I don't need. I am boots on the ground in Majapore. And it's not as big as like Vice City or whatever, but it's like I'm running around this open environment for some reason, chasing things and finding side quests and helping a homeless guy with his pigeons.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, and exactly. And that is Spider Man. Right. Like, I think the court, the core character of Spider man is being distracted, having too many things to focus on at once. And like, yeah, you should be doing this one thing right now, but this person needs help. There's a crime breaking out. I need to go, you know, flip this car over or whatever. And I think with Wolverine it's a very different, obviously different character, different story, different rating for the game. Right. Which I think they know that they need to kind of take it a bit more seriously, I think in terms of like telling a cohesive story that like the M rated gamers are going to appreciate. But one thing I do love about the Insomniac Spider verse is how they just jumped in. Like they. It wasn't an origin story. Right. Like he's been Spider man for a long time and that kind of put us in a great spot to learn. Okay, cool. What has this Spider man experience and what hasn't he? Okay, cool. He didn't experience Venom yet. Yeah, the second game we got that. But he did have all this other stuff go on. I really do wonder, like looking at this, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fairly non linear story where him in the suit, him out of the suit. Why is that? Right? Is that flashbacks? Is that just different time frames? Like, I don't know, but I think that that's very interesting. Right. Like is some of the earlier stuff of seeing him not in the. The yellow suit? Like, is that more of the pre X Men days?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I mean that was gonna be. My next question is what, like where in the X Men timeline do you guys think this is? We're seeing Mystique, we're seeing some of some references that we're familiar with. But yeah, do the. Do you. Do we know or do you guys think that the X Men already exist in this Wolverine game?

[Greg Miller]

Percent okay, I think this is post X Men or concurrently with them, but I would say post. My imagination runs away for no reason really. But from what we're seeing of a Logan who has left the X Men, who is on the outs, whether it's good or bad that he's off on his own, but he's off on his own, he's hung up the yellows. And so I do wonder if the yellow suits we see here are obviously flashbacks we play throughout the game. And then obviously at the end he's gonna have to dawn them to take down whatever it is or if it is that. Yeah, I don't know, something about him right here just makes me go, oh, he's been off. This is. He's trying to get out. As always, he's trying to get out of this life and something is bringing him back in, setting him back on a mission for revenge, to find whoever's missing, whatever it's going to be. And then. Yeah, you're seeing both flashbacks, I think to the final case of Wolverine and what went wrong, like why he has a beef with these people or then obviously some flashbacks or. I'm sorry, some end game things probably where he's back into it.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, Zabe in the chat says there has to be X Men because he has the X Men suit. But like that's the interesting thing is like him having the suit, that just means that where we're at in the time, but like we might not see the mansion. We might not see a single other.

[Greg Miller]

I don't think see the mansion. I guess if they were doing Flash. I still don't think you see the mansion. I think the best you is the jet. I think you get the jet. I think we get. Yeah. With the flashbacks and again, I think it's going to be something that went wrong and drove him away from this life or you know, set him off on this thing. I think you'll get X Men in there. I'll say. We talked about this in one of the things, but now that we've actually been stirring this thing, I think you get like he's got like two or three with him on the mission that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Went wrong on the mission.

[Tim Gettys]

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[Greg Miller]

I think you're in the deep end. Yeah, I think it's going to be like the mutants exist, the X Men exist. There's all this stuff like there's no hand holding and yeah, there'll be history and things like that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Not that like leaks are reliable to go off of, but like, I could easily see this leading into an X Men video game. And so if they're going to make an X Men video game after this, then for sure we're going to get some strong sense of X Men.

[Tim Gettys]

But with that, it's. Do you think that we'll get as much X Men as we got of Miles? Miles being playable in Spider Man 1. Miles being a core part of the story, him and his dad. Right. In Spider Man 1.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think the difference is that with Spider man, you can have Miles and you, you can have like all these Sinister Six characters and all this stuff. And at the core, it's still Spider Man. Like, the game is called Spider Man. I think the more X Men that you shove into a Wolverine game, it starts to feel less about Wolverine and starts to feel more about the X Men world at large. And I think this is something that you have something special with Wolverine, like the brand name Wolverine. The character, like the. Even Wolverine's world outside of the X Men is so filled with things to do and things that you can, that you can explore that I think it's more of a powerful statement to have this be more of a focus on Logan with small references. So that way when you get Avengers.

[Tim Gettys]

Style Avengers with Spider man. Right, where it's like, they are there, they exist, but they're not in the game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, I would if X Men are there outside of like Mystique and the characters that are core to the story. If we're making a strong, stronger allusion to the X Men, I expect one to two scenes max. That's my prediction.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, I think that's right on the money, right. This is a Wolverine game and not an X Men game. And I think Wolverine having such a different Power set than Spider Man. Right. Like, we talk about this all the time, but for Spider Man, I think is swinging around the city, right? And for this, this is going to be boots on the ground. You are one man with amazing healing factor and amazing animated skeleton. Right. But, like, you need to feel like it's you against the world, you against this onslaught and army and yada yada. And you imagine that will be the feeling and the vibe of this game to lead you to what we assume the ending would be. Right? It's got to be that Logan feels like he's in this all by himself. And until the end when he realizes he needs to work with Mystique or the. The X Men, that he spurned whatever again, said in my. In the narrative I've concocted that sent him away from the group on this lone mission or just him off drinking his face off. Right. Like, he needs to feel like he's all alone until he gets that, oh, I did. You know, I can do it. But I think to put us in the shoes of Cyclops, to put it even to be Mystique for a while, it would take away from what we're doing here. It needs to feel like you versus the world, maybe.

[Tim Gettys]

I think that there's not a chance that there's not multiple playable characters in this game. Like, look at Insomniac. They just love that. Like, I feel like every Insomniac character.

[Greg Miller]

But that could be the finale too, where it is that you realize you need to. So suddenly you do work with Mystique now and you get to use stealth stuff. That way it's not just Mary Jane stuff that everybody hates.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, I think it's gonna be Mystique self. I. I think. Yeah, but I think that'd be cool.

[Greg Miller]

Go back here, change into somebody.

[Tim Gettys]

Exactly. I think that there. That is a for sure thing that's gonna happen just based on, like, how featured she is in this and like the way that the camera angles look and like, it seems fairly gameplay.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

And. And, you know, maybe they're just being clever with that, but I don't think so because you look back to the other trailers and like, Insomniac trailers are pretty on the nose. Like, what they show is what you get from it. So I think that Mystique is a playable character. My question is, are there other playable characters? And I think that there will be because. Because this goes back to like, the. How do we make a Wolverine game when they. You can't fully use the Spider man skeleton yeah. Even though they are like, we see this and we're like, okay, it's Spider man gameplay, but you're Wolverine. Like the comet, the walking on the, the rooftops. Like the way it all looks, it's like, yeah, this is Spider Man. Right. But I think that the way you have more set pieces and more big story moments and all that could be different gameplay styles with different characters that are a bit more like mission based. But that hasn't been insomniac strong suit.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

So I was gonna say that has to hit because yeah, so far I feel like those are a lot of the complaints come from. We're even thinking about the Mary Jane stuff in Spider Man 1 In the times that we are even like the, the science puzzles they had in Spider Man 1. Like anytime that I'm not playing is Spider Man, I'm kind of like, I mean, I wish I was playing a Spider man. And yet if I'm playing a Wolverine game, I want to play as Wolverine now.

[Greg Miller]

And that's where it gets so tough. Right. And why? Again, I think linear helps and you need to just tell a story because like what mini game is Logan doing that isn't going to feel like what the fuck? Why are we doing this?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, I mean again, that's a great question. Like it's it. But it's I think then a problem of a 1012 hour game. Like I know the three of us are like hell yeah, sign me up. But like I feel like for a four years in the making between trailers, a year away from this game coming out, the placement of this game for Sony, for PlayStation Studios. Right. It's like I feel like that is not going to go over well, even though I don't agree with that at all.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

But do you think Hulk's in this?

[Greg Miller]

I hope so.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I hope so, man.

[Greg Miller]

That would be fucking awesome.

[Tim Gettys]

Because I. I mean the fact that the license plates there and just like what this game being EM rated, seeing how violent it all is, I feel like knowing Insomniac, knowing the set pieces they like to do, knowing their gameplay decisions and what characters that team likes to pull from. Yeah, I guarantee that between Wolverine, Wolverine 2 and X Men game, probably not an X Men game. It'd be a Wolverine thing. So Wolverine or Wolverine too. He's facing Hulk.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

My thing is do we get a Wolverine too? And I know that it's a lot of questions of does this game do well enough or not, but you're getting Wolverine. There's something about this that to me, I'M like, I wouldn't be surprised if you get the Hulk vs. Wolverine fight, even if it is just a tangent flashback story or something. You get like, it could be the start of the game. It could be just like a, you know. You see what I'm saying though? Yeah. And we get the Sentinel tease there. But like, I see this as like, if it's a Wolverine game, do the thing, man, because this might be your only shot.

[Greg Miller]

That's the thing about it where I think this, yes, in a vacuum, is Wolverine 1, right? But in reality, this is the fourth game now in the gamer universe. Insomniacs installed, right? So I don't think you can come in and be conservative with those moments to your point. You gotta deliver on what Wolverine fans want. And I think in a world so saturated with Wolverine, whether it be Hugh Jackman or the cartoon or the comics, right, like, there's so much to pull from and so much that even MCU fans haven't seen but would love to see. The Hulk stuff would be fucking insane in such a cool way to open the game and really set yourself apart. And again, insomniac openings are usually batshit and not what you expect and like totally out of the ordinary for what you're getting. So, yeah, that would make a lot of sense. The reference is very nice. Again, it's a new world for them to play in. And yes, they shouldn't pull punches. They should be going all in and doing all sorts of shit. So then it gets even crazy, right? Of like, all right, so we keep talking about this being a Wolverine game. We keep talking about other playable characters, right? What other X Men are we going to see? What if we're all wrong on this? And what about if it's. What other Wolverine are we going to see? Are we going to get Laura Kinney in this? Is that the way you do this? And you make it a very Wolverine game, but it doesn't need to be. It. It turns out that whatever separated him from the group and put him off on his path. Laura's been, Laura's been going as the all new Wolverine. She's got the suit, yada, yada, yada. So she's what shows up at the end to be the. You're not in this alone, Logan. Let it go. Whatever happened, whoever died at your, you know, because of what you did, you went to slash somebody, you move, you stabbed Jean Grey, you did whatever, like, let's go. That's the thing. And you raise it up that way and she could be another playable character and open yourself up to a mild situation. That would be really awesome because I.

[Tim Gettys]

Really like what you're presenting and I think that that does add up and make sense. I don't think it adds up and makes sense for how Insomniac sees its worlds and characters. That seems a little too derivative of what we're getting currently from things. Like, I think that they like to kind of have their. Their own take on stuff. And like, there's such hardcore comic nerds about this stuff that I, I feel like that seems too easy of a an answer for them. But I do like what you're saying about the Wolverine being both their names and like that being a reason why he's not with them. That's actually pretty interesting.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If you do get the Wolverine vs Hulk fight, does that then open up? I guess desire from fans of Now I want a Hulk thing. Like, Now I want Avengers thing.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Is that something that they want to do? I mean, that's something they want to open up.

[Greg Miller]

I mean, now you're back to the question of where are we at with Marvel games and what are they? How are they handling things? Because again, like a Hulk game, I.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Would love a Hulk.

[Greg Miller]

And so we always make this sound so simple, but like, Hulk Ultimate Destruction is another game that was not a 10 out of 10, but fucking really got what this was. And so either having another Insomniac team or just another studio playing that world with the Hulk. You know what I mean? Like at a certain point, smashy smash game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like, I know we mentioned Wolverine 2 before, but when we're talking about Insomniac, you're talking about a team that's. They're not lacking for Marvel IP and Marvel properties to work.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I mean, like, they're going to make more Spider man games. Like, there's the rumored slash leaked like Venom thing. There's a rumored slash leaked X Men thing. Right. Like between all these different. There's. I'm sure one day they want to make another Ratchet and Clank. I'm sure that's lower on their list now, but I'm sure one day they will. Right. So between all these different.

[Greg Miller]

All the people in the comments. Resistance.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, I, you know, I think for them, they, they're probably not even looking at this of like, all right, how do we continue to like franchise or how do we set up this thing or X thing? For me, I'm like, how do we contain all this as far as what we can do? Like, I'd be scared to then Put it. Put out. Put, I guess sow the seed of Hulk desire when I know we might not get to that, but it might.

[Greg Miller]

Just be a taste too of like people who. I mean, Jeremy Dunham wants a Hulk anything. So put a Hulk in there. Like, yeah, we live in a.

[Tim Gettys]

But this is what you people want from Hulk. The majority of people want from. I think, I think that's the thing.

[Greg Miller]

Is like, yeah, you don't want.

[Tim Gettys]

You might well be like, oh, a whole game could be cool. But like the majority of people, it's like they just want Hulk in a amazing insomniac directed set piece and have it be honestly great.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What I want from Hulk is spoilers for Spider Man 2.

[Greg Miller]

For the game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yes, the game, the video game. What I want from Hulk is what I got from Venom inspired me into give me a level where I'm smashing through everything.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Tim Gettys]

That's it Great.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. And I feel like that level satisfying enough and like, cool. You could turn that into a whole game. I don't think that there's a world that that is going to hit the levels that a PlayStation Studios game needs to be hitting with Marvel Games. Right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Sure.

[Tim Gettys]

And I'm with you in the sense that I don't know that we get a Wolverine. Like, I do think money talks. And at the end of the day, Wolverine is one of the major characters. But because of how superheroes have evolved in the mainstream in the last 20 years, the Batman, Spider Man, Wolverine being the big three, while still true, I do still think that those are the names. I think that the Avengers dilution of it all has caused a more interesting conversation there of like that. I don't think that that's the unanimous. Every single person would say that in the way that 20 years ago they would. Yeah, you know, So I wonder with how big of a push X Men seems to be getting right now from comics, movies, everything is where we're at. It's like, yeah, building towards an X Men, I think makes sense. So maybe this is just the hopium in me, but like, do one Wolverine game and give it your all. Do every cool Wolverine thing in this one project and knock it out of the park. Do not hold back. And I think the game starts with the Sentinel fight though. And I would. I would want to see the Wolverine Hulk thing be more of just like a side mission, tangent flashback type thing. But I think you start with the Sentinels and build the world. Like you need to center it with X Men and mutants and you know, so much of the core stuff of, like, what makes Wolverine important as a character, not just as a superhero, you know?

[Greg Miller]

Totally. Yeah, that'd be awesome. And I'm with you on that. That'd be another great start. But again, I feel like a Sentinel fight.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

I would say it would be predictable, but I guess fighting Kingpin, knowing what we know now, that you're going to open with something unpredictable to the story, but predictable to a universe. Yeah, it'd be cool to see Hulk. Wolverine. Hulk weaved into Wolverine right where it is. The bad guys who are all of this have captured Banner and he's having to do it. So when you know, you don't even know that he's using a code name. Wolverine gets in there, hits him, his eyes glow green. You're like, oh. And that fights off to the amazing.

[Tim Gettys]

Right? Like that. That sounds like Insomniac. That sounds like such a fun reward to us. If I. If, you know, you know, now you know, though, that'd be cool. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

So to your question before break, which I think is an interesting one, is does Spider man show up in this?

[Tim Gettys]

It's an excellent question. My gut says not in a substantial way. Yeah, Right. I do think yes, though. Yeah. Like, I do think, why wouldn't they? You know what I mean? And again, looking at Insomniac, but looking at what Insomniac does with their games, it's like they do the tee up, they do the connections between stuff, and they don't shy away from that.

[Greg Miller]

I'm gonna say no, because I just think tonally, even though we don't know the tone of this game 100. I just think tonally, it's not gonna work. Whereas, like, if it was an X Men game, totally could see it. They're doing the thing. It's all over. They've. We did it. Spider man swings and. Sorry I'm late, guys. Oh, you already. You know what I mean? Like, that makes sense to me. Whereas this one, I don't. I think you're gonna get something else where they tie it in and I. I don't want it. I think it's lame, but I would say something like, silver Sable, you're gonna get something like that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And her. And her.

[Greg Miller]

The hired goon mercenary thing she had. They, you know, they're one of the factions that's fighting the other factions, so they fight Wolverine for a little bit. Or it's just a crossover. Her hunting someone, it's like. I think that's the level that would.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Make more sense in my brain.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Like I think it's tough to outside of maybe like a newspaper reference or something like that.

[Greg Miller]

References 100% maybe even he's in the bar and fucking Spider man swings through.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And so like if Spider man shows up I'm like what are you doing here? Like what's Spider man doing here in Canada?

[Greg Miller]

I can see him being in the newspaper, on the TV or whatever but I don't think he's going to help him in the mission.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, that's where I meant to.

[Tim Gettys]

I mean Wolverine, Spider man do have a lot of history together.

[Greg Miller]

I know they do.

[Tim Gettys]

So it's like I think they do.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Kiss.

[Tim Gettys]

The one upside down. But yeah it's I, I do. I'm with y' all that in the M rated universe they're building it. I struggle to figure out how they'll fit it in but I. My money's on. They do though like I think that Insomniac having their. The white spider like they want their unique take on things and like I think that firmly cementing this Wolverine game in that same universe knowing that we're building to an X Men to me I'm like they're gonna want to tie it and it could just be a brief post credits or a brief little like nod but like I, I think they'll, they'll find a way if you.

[Greg Miller]

Wanted to get really nuts with it a cool way I think to there a cool way I think to weave it together. And this is very half baked. So like I would let insomnia but it's some connection through Norman Osborn where you're getting a flashback that when Norman was trying to help Harry he kidnapped Wolverine, stole his blood, you know some bullshit like that to get the healing factor and figure it out at some point.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Even me as a fan, I'm like we don't, I don't need Spider man in this game that bad.

[Greg Miller]

That's my thing is like it's not Spider Man. It was just whatever reference a piece of paper you find.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't know but I know what I'm going to say is I know antithetical to comics and cinematic universes, right? But for me I look at this game and I look at Insomniac and I'm like okay, well obviously you guys want to create a bigger Marvel universe and I feel like tying, forcefully tying in Spider man makes the universe feel smaller. Whereas if we can focus on other crossovers we can focus on other characters.

[Greg Miller]

You get an unexpected in quotes Hulk thing Yeah. That makes you go wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's cool that Spider Man's never fucking mentioned Hulk to my knowledge. Or maybe there's some throwaway reference, but you know what I mean?

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Let's look at some of the super chats here. Red Hudson says, I just want a dedicated SNCC button.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

See, that was another question I was going to have is what is the mechanic? What is the button you press that feels satisfying? What?

[Tim Gettys]

I mean, web swing, like, I think they might have just nailed it in a way that I even thought of, like opening up the combat options. It's like, yeah, you have clawless and then with claws.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. I'm sure you're gonna be able to pick shit up off the ground. Right. And like, you saw the destructible environment in there. That's so. Destructible environments, I imagine, are a big deal.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

So, yeah, it's like we stabbing. Are we grabbing and throwing through stuff?

[Tim Gettys]

God, the claws coming out at like, as a gameplay thing is so simple and cool.

[Greg Miller]

You already have the jump we just saw there. Like, are we. We talk about different things, writing, Are we adding in the sound.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Stupid.

[Greg Miller]

But wall jumps. Right where you're like propelling yourself off of walls.

[Tim Gettys]

Spider man does. Right.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Are you gonna get the L3 plus R3 Berserker mode?

[Tim Gettys]

Of course.

[Greg Miller]

What are the villains we get into? Because that's red. Omega.

[Tim Gettys]

You said Omega red. Yeah, that is.

[Greg Miller]

And I don't care.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Omega Red to me is one of those characters that like, I have read comics featuring him, but I mainly know him from like Capcom fighting games and stuff. Woefully ill informed on this man.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Jomo and Chat says, popping claws with haptic feedback about to hit like crack.

[Tim Gettys]

It is. Yeah. For real.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. We stopped to think about what the controller is going to look like for this. You'll get the yellow and he's.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

What?

[Greg Miller]

It's yellow and black in this. Is it blue? Is it really dark blue?

[Tim Gettys]

It looks like a dark brown.

[Greg Miller]

Okay, so yellow and dark brown controller with probably a cloth slash through it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

And a logo on after that Kratos controller, I'm like, I give it up.

[Greg Miller]

Whatever. That was a nice controller. I wouldn't rush out to buy it.

[Tim Gettys]

But Benny Goods. Benny B. Good says, I hope he sounds Canadian. Well, we've heard him. We know what he sounds like. I like how he sounds.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Uncharted Wolf says, do you guys think they'll use X Men Origins, Wolverine as the blueprint for the game? The same way they use Spider Man 2 on PS2 for Spider Man. PS4.

[Greg Miller]

Yes. No, I don't. What we're seeing in this, the fidelity where we're at with this game, I don't see it being. Oh yeah. So it's like a. Not somewhere between black and brown.

[Tim Gettys]

Brown.

[Greg Miller]

Black. It's black.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, it looks like black.

[Greg Miller]

I think they're. You're gonna have obviously the lopping off of limbs and the blood flying through the air. But in terms of Wolverine getting decimated like you saw in the footage Kev was running earlier from my IGN review back in the day, I don't think you're gonna get that kind of. On Wolverine.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

So yeah, it'll be the blueprint in terms of what we want to do.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, but like. No, I'm with you. Like, I think the PS2, Spider man, it being open, swinging around the city, side quests and all that stuff, that. That is the core of it, of the.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

That's what people want out of the game.

[Tim Gettys]

God, what a special game this was in me. Mando says, I want to feel the deep seated pain that Logan feels. I want to feel the anguish that he feels when having to kill these people. Wolverine's a survivor through violence and trauma. And I do think that I fully trust Insomniac. Like their story beads and stuff. Like they get these characters and sometimes it's corny, but these characters are corny. I think that they're going to. This is going to be a Logan Wolverine story and I think that it's going to stand with some of the best of them. I do think that's a taller task overall than some of the Spider man things because obviously we have some amazing Spider man stories, but the Logan Wolverine stories, like some of those just hit different because of how grounded and real and dark they are.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I Insomniac hasn't nailed that for me yet. And so, and I think it's like you mentioned, Logan Wolverine just has a different thing going for it. So I think if they are going to nail it, it's going to be with Logan and Wolverine. And not to say that, you know, Spider man hasn't had really good emotional moments because I still think about the ending of Spider man, one of like the final boss fight and moments of that where it's like, damn, y' all really nailed this shit right here. But I think of a lot of moments Spider Man 2 that are supposed to be emotional, that were supposed to be like, you know, hey, here's this character's inner anguish. And it just did not hit for me. And so, you know, I hope it hits here.

[Greg Miller]

It's always so hard to tell a Venom story.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, but they tried. I hear you.

[Greg Miller]

I'm not saying, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying give them credit for whatever they got wrong. I'm just saying, like a core Spider man story without the suit, where you have. Because, like, in reality, what should we have done? We should have had the whole suit, a whole game, and then do Venom in the third game. But I digress. Just like we should have fucking in the movies too. But I digress, right? You know, coming out here, Wolverine, blank page. I think you don't get into the same problems.

[Tim Gettys]

Alex J. Sandoval says, does the game end with Logan reluctantly agreeing to visit Xavier's school for gifted youngsters? I don't. I mean, I don't know.

[Greg Miller]

Like, I think it's him coming back.

[Tim Gettys]

We're coming. Coming back. Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely coming. This is not his first time. No, no, no. That's the case.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I think we're. I think we're gonna see the school in post credits.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. I mean that we're seeing the school in this game.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

My question is, you walk in, probably not him specifically, but there will be kids that have just dumb ass powers. You know what I mean? Oh. Like, it's like they need to sell, like, look, it's not just the X Men. There's other mutants here, right? Yeah. My big question though, goes back to Miles and Spider man one of like, is it just a little post credit thing or is it like. No, this is actually in the game. Maybe not like the deepest main storyline, but like even thinking about like, like Carnage in Spider Man 2, you know, like you're getting a fair amount of this character, even if it's not like going all the way full in, but it kind of is, you know?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. So I think X Men just does so much heavy lifting by itself. Where you just put. You just show me a school. Like not even. Don't even name the school. Just show me a school. I'm like, okay, well, I'm buying the next game. I'm buying whatever this is.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Danessa says, I really want a scene where Wolverine eats food with his claws.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You'll get that.

[Tim Gettys]

Do you think so?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah, why not? I think so, yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

Hell yeah. Chris Scott says, a bit late but happy. 2000 games daily in 10 year. I grew up watching beyond. Been a best friend when I started video game career. And now I'm watching you guys do gamescast on a game I'm lucky to be on. It's surreal. Love you guys. So you're working on Wolverine? That's amazing.

[Greg Miller]

That's insane.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah. Hell yeah. Thank you so much for all of your support. See if there's more Wolverine based ones here. Motor World says I just joined. Sorry if it was already discussed, but I hope the Wolverine game is the same universe as Spider Man. I also want a reference to the first Wolverine game on nes. It's confirmed it is the Spider man universe.

[Greg Miller]

When I was like, is it or isn't? And I can't remember, I googled and I found the IGN article citing our interview with Brian and Dahar. I was like, ah, we broke that news. My bad.

[Tim Gettys]

Oscar Navarro says, I just want Wolverine with Yakuza style combat. And then Motor World has the final super chat saying, in your collective opinion, what are the chances we get a Deadpool cameo or side quest?

[Greg Miller]

Oh, I know. I. I don't that this is something we've talked about off camera or whatever. I'm adamant against it based on what I imagine this game's going to be. It could be a different kind of game. But if, again, if we're doing the anguish and grounded, it's Wolverine and there's like, it just doesn't work to have. Hey, well, hey guys. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, again, that's a, that's multiple levels of levity beyond Spider man that I just don't think we enter.

[Tim Gettys]

My big thing there is Deadpool and Wolverine. Of course they have interacted before and there are things about them together. But like that is an MCU deal. Like that is Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds made Deadpool and Wolverine happen. It's not because of the characters that made that movie and the R rating or M rating and all that stuff I think makes sense. I don't think we see Deadpool in this at all. I think that there's a zero percent chance. I really don't think it's happening as.

[Greg Miller]

A gear shift here. You know that I don't like to use my powers for evil. Oh, I use them for good. Of course, Creative director on this is none other than Marcus Smith. We've known Marcus Smith for years and years and years. It kind of funny, but way back through ign. All right, I've sent him the following message.

[Tim Gettys]

Oh, okay.

[Greg Miller]

This is a text. Don't respond. You'll get in trouble. I've known you for a long, long time. I've never asked you for anything. When Wolverine all caps Inevitably ends up at the school. Make there be a kid with basketball. It's a kind of funny in review reference. Thank you. If you don't do this, I'll ruin this game. I'll make everyone hate it. This was drafted and read on the kind of funny games cast. Thank you.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I like it.

[Greg Miller]

So when you see basketball kid in this game, you know it was us, y'.

[Tim Gettys]

All. Now here's what you also need to say. P.S. also add a couple mangoes around.

[Greg Miller]

That's not bad.

[Tim Gettys]

You know, some mangoes in the. In the school. What are they for? Do you know what they're for?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I. I know what they're for.

[Tim Gettys]

Do you think they're for Beast? Do you think. What do you think Beast is gonna do with the mango? I don't wanna.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

I don't. I hope. I hope that doesn't make it. I hope that doesn't make it in the game.

[Greg Miller]

PS Also added some mangoes in the school.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

New message.

[Greg Miller]

Dozens of people will get it.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

These are the people. They put shirtless spider. I'm not going to high five. They put shirtless spider man in both games. So this could happen.

[Greg Miller]

Yeah. You never know.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Mangles make it in. This is going to have a ripple effect. I don't think we're ready for.

[Tim Gettys]

I don't think we're ready for it either. Let's close this out. Any. Any final thoughts on Wolverine? Of things we want to see from this game?

[Greg Miller]

I mean, everything we're saying. I hope this is a. I. This sounds so stupid. I hope it's grounded in the way. I hope it feels like I'm boots on the ground, Wolverine. Like, I want it to be that. Like, it is a journey, a struggle, an adventure to go from place to place. And it's hard and it's pressing. And Wolverine doesn't want to do it, but he knows he has to do it. Like, I feel like that's when Logan is the best. Right? Like, we all know this guy's got a heart of gold. Is just under all this pain and anguish and fucking anger. You know what I mean? And like seeing that done so well with Hugh Jackman. I hope they're in. Sometimes there's a lot of there, but there's a lot of great stuff too. Like, I hope we get that here and really have this you're behind the claws feeling.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah. I tend to agree with that. Even though I think I'm looking forward to this. Whether it's just Insomniac doing what Insomniac does, or if they're able to find, like, a different flow with this. I'm looking forward to either result. I'm more so expecting this to be a. Another insomniac game. But when I say that, I mean a game that's fun to play, a game that's vibrant, a game that's colorful, a game that, you know, I. I wanted 100 and do all the things in and all that. Right. But also a game that we look at. We. We look back at and go, damn, dude, they're insomniac and they made a Wolverine game. Like, I'm serious here.

[Greg Miller]

And you say that you play it after.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

You play it after. Yeah.

[Greg Miller]

That's what you want.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

If they make it 10 out of 10, I'll say the rest here.

[Greg Miller]

Damn.

[Tim Gettys]

Yeah, it. I'm very, very much with you blessing that. Yeah, it could go either of those ways. I do think it's more likely this is just Spider man and W clothing, and I'm so down for that.

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Yeah.

[Tim Gettys]

I've platinumed Ratchet and Clank. Rift apart, Spider Man 1, Miles Morales, Spider Man 2. I will be platinuming Wolverine. I. I'm pretty damn sure. So I just want this game to be as fun as insomniac can make games and I expect it will be. The thing I don't want for this game and I am incredibly certain will happen no matter what is hold back in the trailers. I understand, like, that they need to show a bunch of stuff. They've already shown so much here. It's Wolverine. We get it. It's violent. It's cool. I wish more than anything that this trailer dropped and it was coming out in three months and we could just be here. The fact that we have a year to wait scares me because I'm like, it's going to make the game worse. And the experience of the game because the moments of holy crap, are they really going to have Hulk and then Hulk's there is going to be so much more impactful, critically, and just from an experience point of view than him just showing up in a trailer at one point. But we'll see. Let us know in the comments below how hyped you are for Wolverine. What you want to see, what you don't want to see. Do you think Spider man shows up? Do you think the X Men show up? What else happens? Will there be mangoes? And what happened? Why is there holes in the Man?

[Blessing Adeoye Jr.]

Apparently there were mangoes in the trailer. It was like a market area.

[Greg Miller]

Nailed it.

[Tim Gettys]

Saying, everybody confirmed. Whoa. All right, y'. All. We're about to do the kind of funny podcast. It's gonna be great. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Until next time. Love you all. Goodbye.