
On today's Episode, Adrian and Colin catch up with the new WOO record holder, Charles Brodel. The Day after, he set a new record at 37.17m. WOO Trade Up: Portrait: Woo Sports:...
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Colin
Okay, you join me on Friday the 24th. Coming up to 11am I have been in deepest, darkest Dartmoor, Devonshire, where my car broke down and I didn't have any Internet or any way of really fixing the car until about half an hour ago. And I've driven back into civilization to see that the Woo world record's been broken in my time in the dark. So I'm now driving as fast as I'm I can. I'm allowed a bit faster than that to go see the Wu man, Arlen Ledue, whose job it is to ratify the the data and then to distribute the media. So it's like a massive day for him and a big day just for kite boarding in general actually, because this doesn't happen very often. And the last time it did happen was Hugo Wigglesworth was it a year ago now, maybe slightly more. But there's been periods where it's been like two years in the Woo leaderboard or the top name hasn't changed, you know, and when it does, it shakes. Everyone, everyone feels it, everyone thinks about it and the whole community sort of comes together acknowledging that someone somehow has gone even higher. So, yeah, I'm driving as fast as I bloody well can in this. I'm not going to call it a shit box, but it's really let me down recently. And yeah, you'll join me next with Arlen.
Adrian
So one thought this might be the moment that we diverge twin tip from hydrofoil. He did it on hydrofoil. World record. Highest jump ever on a kite. But Andrea was right there. Andrea's the best kiter in the world. He didn't hit that height on twin tip. And do we now say Hugo has the twin tip world record, Braudel has the hydrofoil world record, or do we just keep it all together? Keep, keep being one, one sport. So okay, Charles, Charles just made the case for either hydrofoil being the future or being a completely separate thing.
Charles
Catastrophic equipment failure.
Charles Padel
Going for the boogaloo double just to get the landing.
Colin
Had a couple of strings and it was extremely dangerous. Guys, I sent the trap and it.
Charles
Is gold for Ellie Aldridge and gold for Great Britain.
Colin
Okay, you've heard me in the car, you've heard me talking to Arlen. You're in that bit of the song where it get almost gets to the best bit, but they just elongate it that little bit longer to make it all the, all the sweeter. And you're gonna hear from Charles, we're gonna call him in a second. He's at an airport. We've only been able to get through to him now because he's been flying. It's the day after, we're recording this on Saturday, the day that this podcast will be released. Emergency episode, of course, because it's big news. And Adrian, before we ring him, what do you reckon? Should it be a separate discipline as Arlen outlined or is it, is it all in one? Is this the future of, of big air chasing? Is this the future of the WU leaderboard?
Charles
I think you just have to have maximum height leaderboard and allow people to choose any craft, you know, that's. I think that's the way it goes. If you can then break it down to what's the highest twin tip, what's the highest hydrofoil. But I still think you need to have who goes the bloody highest, you know, and who's got the biggest balls to do it. And at the moment you have to say Charles is doing that on what he's choosing to ride, which is the hydrofoil, which is crazy. But this might be the little match that starts a fire and gets more people excited about riding hydrofoils and going for that and pushing it. You know, we are a Mykonos. We saw Baptiste Bordalos go for big ones, we saw Hugo been going for big ones in New Zealand. So it is a movement that is starting to gather some momentum. Maybe the twin tip days are over and the race to 40 is going to be who's got, who can push their hydrofoil the hardest and the strongest wind and break that 40 meter barrier.
Colin
Let's ring the bastard. Get him on the blower. Adrian. There's only one thing for it and that's a WhatsApp call. He's in the customs queue apparently.
Charles
Charles, you're with me and Colin on the podcast. What's going on? You can't rent a car.
Charles Padel
Yeah, I'm struggling to get a car to go back home.
Colin
Did you tell them that you're the woo world record holder?
Charles Padel
Yeah, I should tell them. Maybe they will have a car faster for me.
Charles
Mate, what's going on? You get to cold Hawaii, you've got no gear, no cars here. I mean you've got all this bad luck around you, but you're getting the results, man.
Charles Padel
Yeah, and also after cold away when I went back home, I went back home without my bags again. So I'm not really lucky lately.
Charles
37.17 or 37.2, which one do you say? Do you round it up?
Charles Padel
Yeah. 37.2 meters high.
Charles
Awesome.
Colin
And Charles, how much bigger was this jump than all the others in your life? Was it, like, considerably bigger or did it feel not too far off what you've done before?
Charles Padel
Yeah, like, this one felt really different. Like, I went really vertical and during a long time, and it was really brutal. So, like, everything happened so quick. But then, like, at the end of. At the top of the jump, I was like, oh, my God, I've never seen, like, other kites that low under me. And I was sure that the scar was massive. And then I went straight out of the water after my hit and I checked my woo and I was like, holy shit. Everyone was shouting and I was like, yeah, it's massive.
Charles
Did you woost. Did you do the classic woosting technique or you weren't even prepared for that?
Charles Padel
Oh, yeah. I was really not looking to. To break the world record. So then I was not putting my border over my head. I was just, like, trying to realize what was going on, you know? So I'm like, yeah, maybe with my board over my head, I would maybe reach 38. I don't know.
Colin
Wow.
Charles
Awesome. Hey, let's talk about the banner. It's your kite. It's made from Quadex. I know you've been working in this for two years. When is the final kite going to be released and going to be available for other people to ride?
Charles Padel
Yeah. So, yeah, for two years now, I'm working on the banger. First I did it in Alula, and lately we found that a new material is better than the Alula. So then I went for it. I was crazy to get a new design again with this one. And now this kite is just insane. And we will release it, like, for next spring probably. I still want to work on all the sizes this winter and Cape Town, to be sure, but all the sizes are going to be crazy. And then we release this banger.
Colin
Amazing. What can you tell us about that material, Charles? I know, like, some of it is secret, but what can you tell us? It's obviously made of four layers. So what does it give you, though? Is it more flexible than Alula? Is it lighter than Alula?
Charles Padel
Yeah. So, you know, on the material you have the warp and weft, like the both sides. Like, when you stretch it, like, it's different if you go on the warp on or on the weft. And on this one, we are stronger than the Alula on the warp and we are more flexible on the weft. So it means that with, like, if you find a good orientation on the leading edge, then you can have a really strong height, like to resist the gust, but also a flexible kite that it's gonna twist easy with a good feeling on your bar. So now it's really interesting because I have an aggressive kite that is super efficient, but really comfortable as a beginner kite. So I can go crazy and I don't give a shit about the kite. It feels like it's an extension of my body, you know?
Charles
And is this kite for hydrofoils or can people on twin tips ride it as well?
Charles Padel
No. Yeah, it's gonna be for everyone. Like it's gonna work on twin tip. And even yesterday after the comp, Twincip asked me to try it and I give a try and they were really surprised about the efficiency of this kite. So, yeah, it's really promising. And in the past, I, I know that some riders also really enjoyed this kite and that yes, it's gonna to be a good weapon for the 20 Friday for sure.
Colin
Charles, I checked as soon as I heard the news, your Instagram following and I think you were on 28,000. Now 24 hours later, you're on 34.1 thousand. Has it just been crazy on your phone? Tell us how that's been.
Charles Padel
Yeah, exactly. Like, I was with friends today, I said them, but man, my phone is like going crazy. Like my battery is going low every time. So I had to shut everything down. And I was like, oh, maybe it's going crazy for the comp and, and, and for the woo. And then I checked my phone and like, Maybe I received 1% of messages for the comp and like 99% of messages for the world record. And yeah, like, it's just impossible for me now to check all the messages because I've maybe like 300 mentioning stories and like, I don't know, like a lot of messages. Insane. Like, I never thought that breaking a world record like this, it would be that insane for me, you know?
Charles
Hey, Charles, we don't have many big air events that are right foot forward. And I saw a lot of guys going right foot forward yesterday. Was there a different advantage going right foot forward in Port Apollo?
Charles Padel
Yeah, like, right foot forward, it was easier to get the good gust, but and also the wind angle. Like at the beginning, it was better to jump to the left and then the wind shifted a bit and then it was easier to jump right foot forward. So then everyone went for this side. It was easier to get the good gust and to go high and get the lift till the end of the jump. So, yeah, for me, it Was clear. I had to do everything to the right almost and just going left to get the variety.
Charles
And what about the spot, Port Apollo? Great place. Want to see more comps there?
Charles Padel
Yeah. Port Aopolo is a really sick place. Like, the wind is super consistent, really lofty. I was really surprised because I'm coming from Barcares, so I know that this spot is maybe one of the best. And when I went there, I was not convinced. And then as soon as I had my kite in the air, I did this jump. And then during all the comps, the win was really, really good. Like, everyone was like on the same page about the win. Everyone said it's super lifty and, like consistent. It was really, really good. The quality was insane.
Colin
I got two sort of technical, nerdy questions for you because I know the audience loves that shit. Charles, the first one is when you try and jump high, where are you leaving your kite? You send your kite to 12 or are you over sending it. You sending it slightly to the other side of the window. What are you doing with the kite? Flying? Yeah.
Charles Padel
So when I strike, but the interest is like, what is interesting is that for this jump, I was really not looking to go high. But, like, what happened on this jump is that when I when I went to jump, like, the wind shifted a bit. So then my kite was going crazy into the wind. And then as soon as I jumped, the wind shifted again and my Kite was at 12 and just like trying to go behind me, like if I was doing a toe up, you know, and then it was lifting, lifting, lifting. So now, yeah, like, most of the time I'm sending it like at 1 and then I bring it back to 12 to get the lift. And on this one, I had just to leave it at 12 and it was like the wind. And the guy did everything for me. Like, I had to do nothing. And then I just did Don Loops to go down and that was it.
Colin
So that would have given you crazy a lot more vertical lift. That's what. Yeah, that's the result. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. My second question, Charles, how do you hold down so much power on a foil? Because all amateurs that go on foils, you know, it's for when it's not very windy. So what in your setup allows you to hold down so much power? Is it the mast length? That's like where my brain goes to.
Charles Padel
Yeah. To hold that much power with the fight was really hard. Like, you know, in King of the last year, they told me that I was not enough powerful. So then, like, during all the rest of the season in Titan, I just worked on my ring range. I was going every time overpowered and trying to find a solution to. Yeah. To be able to just hold the bigger kite and like same size as the other guy to fill and to look more powerful. So that was my main goal. And what I found is that like for sure I was riding 25 and I just put 22. It was already way better. And then I went to the gym. I won weight and power in my legs and in my entire body and now I feel that I can hold like the same size as the other. Like yesterday everyone was on eight. I was on eight during all the day and I was not looking like I didn't feel uncomfortable. You know, I can, yeah. Now I can order a big kite as the other. So yeah, there is no secret, just winning weight power in your body and. And that's it.
Charles
Charles, I think we're going to see more people get into going for this Woo record using hydrofoils. Now we were talking about, you know, I've seen Baptiste, Bordes and Mykonos. I've seen Hugo kicking the board off when things are not right. Why are they kicking the board away when they're up so high and they just get rid of the foil board and come down without the foil? What's causing them to do that? Are they just not in the right position? They just don't feel like everything's going right? Because I can imagine coming down and crashing is super dangerous from that height.
Charles Padel
Yeah, like, you know, in the air, like the wind is like a foil in the air. There is a lot of drag in the foil and the wind is pushing so much the foil in the air that like you can just feel this when you go in really strong wind. Like you, you try to do a straight jump with a foil and the wind is pushing so much the board and the foil that you are like going on the over rotation and like you can't really control it if you're not used to it. So yeah, like most of the guys, they are doing this, they go out really high but then they, they are a bit unbalanced and they, they just need to release the board to just get on balance again and being able to land without doing a mistake with the kite. So. Yeah, but doing this also is pretty dangerous because if the foil got as much done in as you, then you land on it. So first it's better to go like step by step, you know, not going in strong wind straight and trying to control your Balance, because, like, you need to be used to it. You can't. You can't straight go crazy with the foil. And being secure, I reached out to.
Charles
Hugo to tell him about your. Your world record. This is what he had to say.
Colin
Yeah.
Hugo Wigglesworth
Hi, Adrian. Wow. Disappointing to see my record go, but I guess records are meant to be broken. So next year, definitely more motivation to bust out another big jump.
Charles
And.
Hugo Wigglesworth
Well, right now my focus is on the Abu Dhabi Hydraul big air that I'm at right now, and then straight off to Cape Town, hopefully can make it into the king of the air. And I guess I'll see Charles there for a bit of payback.
Charles
Let's go, mate. What do you think of this guy, Hugo, matey? I mean, he's a. He's a pretty serious guy. He's a pretty good operator, too.
Charles Padel
Yeah. Yeah. Like, yesterday we talked with friends, and one of them told me that Hugo was going to get my title in Abu Dhabi and that for me, I came to Sardinia to take his crown. So I loved. And yeah, it's kind of the situation, so it's funny. But, yeah, for sure. I know that this guy is looking to take it back and that he's gonna push as much as he can. But now I'm also in this game, so I'm also, like, motivated to look to go even higher. I was. I never really looked for it. I was more focused into tricks and king of the iron, stuff like this. But now with this record, for sure, I'm gonna, like, I know that I have the potential, and I will. I will know to go even higher, like maybe 40 meters one day we will reach them. So why not, like, trying to push her into this direction to, like, beside my training tricks?
Colin
Last question from me, Charles, and then we'll let you go, I promise. What's your foil setup like? Do you have it set up so you need loads of front foot pressure, or do you have it so your weight can be further back?
Charles Padel
Yes. So, yeah, my. My setup is. My setting is really different than the other riders in general. Like, I really enjoy to have my foil when, like, to set my foil to, like, when my foil is lifting a lot on my front leg, I really like because then I don't need to pop. I just need to release my pressure on the front foot and then boom, it go high straight. And the other, in general, they are, like, riding more back foot. So then when they want to jump, they need to push a lot on the back legs. And me, I can push the back leg and Releasing the front leg. So then it's like try to go. You pop and you go crazy.
Colin
That's how I like it as well, mate. Excellent, Excellent. That's good to hear. That's good to hear.
Charles Padel
Yeah. Again, it's way more difficult to hold the foil because it's gonna lift you like every time. And you need to push like insane with just one leg. You can't push both legs. I always need to have all the pressure on one leg. So. Yeah, and like, I saw it now. I trained a lot, you know, to the gym, and I want a lot of strength in my leg and I'm even better. So maybe I will be able to put even more front leg pressure in the future.
Colin
Charles, that was epic. Thanks so much for making time to come on and talk to us about your world record. We wish you the best of luck at King of the Air and I'm looking forward to seeing this kite, something that you've designed that F1 have given you the platform for. I'm excited to see it in Cape Town and I hope to persuade you to let me have a go on it. So we'll see you in Cape Town.
Charles Padel
Yeah. Thanks a lot for this call and. Yeah, for sure. And in Cape Town, I will give you a try to feel the difference between the one in Morocco and the one now. You will feel the progress.
Charles
Thanks, brother.
Colin
See you later. Talk soon, Charles. Peace.
Charles Padel
Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you.
Charles
There we go from the horse's mouth. I'm telling you what, though. I'm kind of excited to see Hugo and Jamie and Charles push this again. I think this is going to be the big move. I think we're going to see guys go for this now and, and try it. It's exciting times.
Colin
I said it in the article. Charles Padel just changed kite boarding. No doubt, no doubt. He's being a nuisance in the competitions, but now he's the top of the WU leaderboard. The first four to do it, it's. It makes sense as well. He has less friction, there's more he gets left from the actual board.
Charles
It makes his 150 world titles that he's got from the GK sort of actually mean that he's actually good, you know, because those world titles that, you know, good luck to Hugo is going for it for sure. But I mean, he had no competition for years. Right? I mean, I'd like to see him go back now with Hugo and, and Lorenzo and those guys who have been a bit more committed to it. I think that'd be like the super showdown that we always want, right? It'd be like. It'd be like Micah coming back to. To battle Giselle Polito or something like that. Of that magnitude.
Colin
Pretty epic and epic dynamic between him and Hugo as well.
Charles
Couldn't be any more different personality.
Colin
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. I like them both, though. And you know what? We always, you know, when Charles got into King of the Air last year, we respected him, didn't we? We were like, yeah, he's an entertaining person, but we didn't really take him seriously enough. No one, no one did. We respected him fine. I was like, yeah, put him in. But now this is like a whole different level. He's like, yeah, he's fighting.
Charles
He's found himself. He's found himself and he's earned respect. He's earned his respect. You remember we did the dinner and even Andrea back then and respect to Andrea. You know, Andre is a young kid, but he's got good advice. And he just said to Charles, you just got to do what you believe in, you know, prove people wrong. You know, it happened to Andrea with the handles. He was referencing that to Charles when they're sitting down with. With. With heel. As he was having his third stake, it was pretty much, hey, Gus, go do what you believe in. You know, take the sport the way you want to take it.
Colin
And I like that it's referring to the round table thing that we did. I think it was called Roundtable.
Charles
Blank.
Colin
Blank. Ch. No, get the check. Something about Check something menu on the men on the check. It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. And you can watch Heal. Charles and Andrea before King of the Air last year. Chatting, chatting, basically. And that was one of the topics they bring up, which was. Which was interesting. I know for a fact that Hugo has a lot of respect for Charles and Arlen from WU sat down and interviewed him. And here's a little clip from that we'll play now.
Hugo Wigglesworth
I'd say I just have a lot more confidence on the twin tip, you know, and 30 plus knots. The foil just comes a bit, but you're just coming into the landings.
Colin
So hot.
Hugo Wigglesworth
Charles is obviously the best in the world of that.
Colin
So, yeah, people are going to want to know about the kite. F1 won't really tell us. It's unreleased material. But here's what I do know from other sources. It's four layers, hence the quad thing. You heard a bit about the. What do they call it? Weave and. No, woven. Whatever that is. It's going to be more flexible than Alula and just as light, I would imagine. I doubt they'd bring something to market that was a little bit heavier than alluded to. Makes sense, but I don't know that. I don't know F1 are taking this material seriously though. They're putting it in everything, everything. So that tells me that it's going to be a big deal for them. Interesting that they're doing that considering they're also heavily affiliated with Brainchild, which is another different set of materials and construction methods. Again, this is a big deal for F1 and a really big landmark occasion in Charles Braddell's kite design career as well. You literally could not have a better thing on your CV than yeah, I made the thing that broke the record. So you should trust me. And yeah, I know that he was working with Alula for ages and there was difficulty there because F1 were with BrainChild and you know, those two things don't. Don't go together. So I think there was a reason for them to keep searching and then find this Quadx material, which I'm quite excited by. Charles's banger is the kite that I'm most excited to go and look at on the beach when we get to Cape Town. It's top of the list. Okay, next week we'll talk about the fallout from this Red Bull event qualifier that we weren't at the one event all year we didn't go to. And Charles pops the world record and. And there was no live stream and we should have been there. We should have been there, man might have broken us.
Charles
We need to rest before King of the airbrush.
Colin
This is true. So we weren't there and feeling slightly foolish, but not too bad. And anyway, we'll talk about all that next year and the highlights from that and who's who stood out from that, from. From what we've seen and what we've heard. But yeah, from now let's just revel in the fact that we've got a new world record leader. And it's something that's really important in the sport and touches everyone, doesn't it? Like you can't be a kiteboarder and not hear about who's popped the record and when. The big one, what gear they're on. It's the big one. It's the big one. Is that you can't. You can't miss who wins King of the Air. You can't miss who's got the woo World record. Okay, thanks to us, as always. Enjoy this bloody emergency one. You earned it. And we'll see you in the next one on Thursday when these come out. Okay? Goodbye.
Podcast: Kitesurf365
Host: Adrian Kerr, with Colin Colin Carroll
Guest: Charles Brodel (Charles Padel)
Date: October 25, 2025
This emergency episode of Kitesurf365 is prompted by one of the sport’s rarest and most seismic moments: Charles Brodel (referred to as Charles Padel in the episode) has broken the Woo world record for the highest ever kiteboarding jump—this time, on a hydrofoil—redefining the top of big air kiteboarding. Hosts Adrian Kerr and Colin Colin Carroll go deep with Charles about his record-breaking ride, the future of big air (twin tip vs. hydrofoil), and his secretive new kite built from innovative Quadex material. The conversation also touches on Charles’s gear setup, training, his overwhelming reception from the community, and playful rivalry with previous record-holder Hugo Wigglesworth.
This episode captures a pivotal, historic moment for kiteboarding. Charles Brodel’s 37.2-meter jump on a hydrofoil propels the sport into new territory, stirring debates about discipline, setting new standards for gear innovation and athletic performance, and inspiring the next wave of record chasers. The playful rivalry between Charles and Hugo adds anticipation for future showdowns, while the emergence of Quadex kites highlights how advancements in equipment are pivotal to pushing limits. The hosts, both excited and reflective, agree: this is a day that redefines what’s possible in big air kiteboarding.
For more insights and community reactions, listen to the full episode and keep an eye out for the next MEGAPOD.