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We're back from Japan. Steezy Pete and Jetto caused absolute chaos. Jason Van Der Spee took lots of pictures on the disposal camera with his top off and we're going to tell you all about it.
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Catastrophic equipment failure.
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Going for the boogaloo double just to get the landing. Oh.
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Had a couple of strings and it was extremely dangerous.
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Guys, I sent the trap and it
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is gold for Ellie Aldridge and gold for Great Britain.
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Okay, this, this has potential to be one of the all time great guys, so settle down because Adrian and I actually haven't spoken since what we just said hello before clicking record, but we haven't spoken since Japan. And I think what I know that there was chaos after I left. I had to leave in a hurry to get back home and Adrian stayed on. The rest of the rest of the squad, which was Steezy Pete, Jetto Kawano, Jason Van Der Spee and Sam, videographer, editor, genius, and Adrian, of course. So, yeah, it was not so straightforward.
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Nothing is straightforward when you have Steezy Pete and Jetto Kawano involved. I mean, it was just. Bro, it's just a. You know, we'd put in like two or three big days of work and then you had to fly, right? So I said to the boys, hey guys, let's have a real easy day the next day and we'll do some temp and bowling that night, you know, just keep it easy, you know, because we'd been pushing pretty hard and from the time your plane took off, it was just chaos. I mean, so we went to tempin bowling and we'd only been there about five minutes and Jetta's like, oh, I've lost my shoes. Like, you just came in the shoes. He goes, no, I've lost them. So we got the tempin bowling shoes on and you know, the whole. The whole tempin bowling help is trying to find Jetto's shoes. And it's just, how can you lose the shoes? They give you shoes. You put your shoes down, you put those shoes on. That's it. Jetto somehow loses shoes. Anyway, we bowl, we have another look around. We go outside. So we get to Jetto's car. The windows are down. Jitter. The windows are down. Your car. He goes, oh, yeah, I've lost the keys. That's the only way I can get into the car. Where are the keys? He goes, well, the keys are in the car. I'm like, what do you mean the keys are in the car? He goes, yeah, the keys are in the car somewhere. We. This is the only way we can get in. It was pretty much a continuation like this the whole time. I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, no, we cannot find the keys.
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But by getting the car, they climbed through the windows.
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No, just had the window down. So they reached in. Oh, the driver's door doesn't open, by the way, because Jetto smashed up that side of the car. So you have to go everything through the passenger seat. And this is. By the way, it's a nice car. I mean, it's so nice. It has a push button start. It doesn't, you know, that's. The keys are in the car somewhere. Anyway, the next day, we go up to Sandy Feet Kite School because Pete wants to foil the epicenter, the epicenter of the.
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Of the whole beating heart.
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And I said to Jetta, I said, why don't we go down in your car? Because, you know. You know, the stuff's in your car. He goes, well, the car's not working today. What do you mean the car's not working? No, it just doesn't start anymore. I said, what started last night? Goes, yeah, it doesn't start anymore. Where's the key? Goes. We don't know. It's like, guys, what the. How can you live like this? How. So I said, okay. So everyone's looking through the car. I mean, there's an inch of sand in the back. It's just. It's just a classic kite car that's never been cleaned by people who don't wear shoes. And I said, okay, stop. Let's just think. So let's. I said, everyone bring one car, one bag at a time back to the car, and we'll start the car. Don't start another bag because there's 100 bags in this car. Finally.
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Oh, hang on. And the car key is in one of the kite bags.
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I don't know. I'm trying to think practically here. So we get this one back, and the car comes to life. Oh, here. It's in here. We look in all the pockets. That's not the pockets. We open up. It's inside the kite, wrapped up at the very bottom. Mean you never found it. And I'm like, guys, how are you going? And then he's like, oh, maybe I remember putting it in the bag. I mean, so sweet. It's just. I mean, they just live in complete chaos. Ben. It's not. It's something that's hilarious and just. It couldn't do it.
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I couldn't live like that, no, that's the mistake I made. I actually lived with Steezy Pete and Jetto and well, we've explained the problem that arises, haven't we? But for those of you who haven't maybe been listening for years, Pete says that on a day to day basis with a normal routine, his executive function, which what is, what does that hand? Let me just define what executive function define. It refers to a set of cognitive processes and mental skills managed by the prefrontal cortex that enable, enables individuals to plan, focus attention, remember instructions, juggle multiple tasks and regulate emotions. Often describes as the brain's management system or air traffic control. Anyway, so on a normal day when you know, Pete's in his flow state, got his routine, his executive function is reasonable. On a normal day for Jetto, his executive function is not reasonable. You take Pete and put him next to Jetto and all of a sudden the executive function plummets for Pete and then they both become very unreasonable because the combination of one of them forgetting something and one of them for, you know, thinking the plan was X and the other one assuming the plan was Y and then it just becomes an utter disaster. And you actually need a dedicated person to be sort of like a, like a border collie, just kind of constantly rounding them up, making sure they've got their belongings and heading in the right direction. And that person is Adrian. He is the CDP wrangler.
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I mean, I mean they, those two, he's like, I want to foil. And Jetta's like, there's no water. No, I can foil, I can foil. I was in the Olympic program, dude. There was no wind, there was no water anyway. And he puts the kite down and he's like, and J's like, look at Pete, look at Pete. I'm like, now this is a problem, dude, can we get to that of the bay? And he's like, no, we cannot go. It's a far walk. I'm like, I think we have to. I mean just these two men, it's just between those two, it's rescue, untie knots, rescue each other, crash the kites. It's just chaos. I mean those two are just, they're like magnets that can't be too close, but they just, they just live in this world. I can't live in that world. I can't. They just, they're a disaster. I mean we finally got Pete's soaking race, foil kite back to the ground. We've got it out of water, we're drawing it on the beach. I turn around And. And this Heer and Jetto sleeping under the. Sleeping under the. Under the kite. What are you doing? Oh, so warm. We should buy one. For what? Sleeping, Bro. And then like, let's go snorkeling. I'm like, there's no water, guys. No, no. It's beautiful, mate. Went to this place, it was about six inches of water. I'm like, you guys want to come snorkeling? I'm like, dude, what? I'd rather walk out and just look down. Why am I going to get in the water? So shallow. Stupid.
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So what? They're lying on their fronts just in six inches of water.
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They're like a, you know, like a. They're like a monitor lizard walking out of the water, you know, they're like over the rocks and dying down. I'm like, you don't even need snorkels. Just put your mask in the water. It's the dumbest thing ever. It's just so stupid. But they're very proud, very proud of Ushigaki. They're very proud of the. The sites around there. And you know, you were missed once you left. But I mean, we've got the sort of bulk of the filming done in the last few days. It was just a little bit of a lot of talking and looking. People looking forward to going home, to be honest.
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Okay, so I'll give Asia a little bit of a breather and tell you guys what the rest of it was like. We had one of the all time, great half an hours. It was Steezy Pete and myself. I actually haven't watched it back. There's a chance I was just sort of bit delusional and kind of, I don't know, not saying things quite right. But to me, half an hour Steezy Pete interview. Basically, I would say a question and then Pete would just nail it. Like, nail it. Actually not even a nail. Like a screw, like a massive screw that you would use for the foundations of an enormous building. He would just. Yeah, absolutely. Through the chalky, through the. Through the soil, through the chalk. You know, he's touching magma with the tip and he would just say the weirdest, funniest, best thing. And then he'd just about be able to hold a straight face and then my shoulders would start going. And then his shoulders would start going up and down. Then we'd let out a little giggle. Then we'd recoup. Then I'd ask the next question and it would just repeat. And with that went off half an hour and I said, to everyone like that, whatever that was or that is, we need to aim for that every time. Um, so, yeah, that was good. What else was good? Food was very good on the first night.
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Was the food good? Was the food good? Let's be honest. Let. Let's break it down. Let's talk. Let's talk food. Because a lot of people ask me, what's the Japanese food like? And I have to admit, I was impressed. But I think if you and I went out to a Japanese restaurant in London, I think we'd be more impressed, I think because it's so cultural and so they're so sensitive and they like to do things a very, very strict way. I feel like that when you go to Japanese restaurants in name any big city in the world, I think, though, I think that. I think they allow a little bit of flexibility into their prepare. Preparation because I felt like. I mean, the sushi. There's not a maki roll on site, man. It's just literally raw fish on. On rice. It is. It is different. I said the other day, I feel. I always feel like there's a sadness in the air in Japan. You know, there's a. There's a melancholy feel to the country. I don't know what that comes from, but there's something about it.
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I think I kind of agree with that. Yeah. I think. I wonder if it's the not putting
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Japan down at all. It's just the way it came across.
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No, it's epic. So we'll talk. Yeah, the melancholy feel. I wonder if that's just the. They all know that the economy is not okay and that it's. The country's full to the brim with old people and adult nappy sales are through the roof, and the future's not looking good because there's so. Guys, to put it in context, you get off the plane and as you know, normally you'd get off and then at immigration, maybe someone would check that you're in the right queue before you start queuing for immigration. There's about four of those people. There's four times too many people doing stupid tasks. I. Waiting for my oversized baggage. You know, a man comes out and drops it off like any. Like this would happen in any other nation. And then the man asks to see my boarding pass to check that I'm the right person for that bag. And that doesn't happen anywhere, does it? It actually make. That actually makes sense. Like when you go to pick up your luggage, you can pick up anyone's luggage, just wander off with it, couldn't you? You really could. Sometimes I do just as, you know,
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sometimes if I see a mystic board back, I take that instead. It's probably got better gear than me.
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Yeah, exactly. But this person, you know, gives me it and asks to see my boarding pass. I'm like, you know what? Yeah, that seems like actually a reasonable idea. And it is mine. So you have a little look at that. And then I'll wander off. Perfect. Um, he does that and then I make my way to the exit. And then it happens again. They're like, can we see your boarding pass? I'm like, okay, give it to him. And then I get to the actual exit and they say, can we see a boarding pass? I'm like, I don't think so. Actually, I've already had two people look at it. I'm sick of being asked for it. No. And they don't like that. They don't like being told no. They're used to people following the rules. If you don't follow the rules, everything kind of goes to and you offend them and then you feel bad. I will send you a. I'll send you a screenshot of what I had to a Google Translate app and I had to translate the following message. I am sorry for my anger. It was not your fault,
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mate. By the way, without Google Translate, you'd be effed. I mean, it's a bloody lifesaver.
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So, yeah, upon within 10 minutes of being in Japan, I was already apologizing to a sorry looking elderly Japanese man for behaving like a twat. He was only asking for my boarding pass and he did not deserve what I gave him.
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Did he bow? Did he bow?
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We actually had quite a sweet moment. Yeah. Once I had apologized and showed him the thing, he. He did bow. And then I did bow. And then he touched my shoulder and kind of gave me the nod to say, do you know what? That was pretty immature. But, you know, you're Jedi.
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Not me of you. The food we had the famous food poisoning incident.
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No, hang on. Before we get to code brown, let's just talk about the highlights of the food first. It has to be the oodon noodle.
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We went one too many times. I think, you know, after you left, we went one more time and all of us were like, I think I'm noodled out. I think I've done two noodles. If I have another, if I eat any more noodles, I'll turn into a noodle. But we did find this udon noodle fat noodle place. Which I think we abused too much. It's like, it was good, but the fourth time was too much. That was too much.
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The sushi. I think everyone was disappointed that there wasn't any chicken. Sushi.
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Where's the California rolls?
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Yeah, that's not a thing. That's an American invention.
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I want avocado and crap.
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Yes. So when they kind of brought out various exotic raw fish on top of rice, I think it was a bit confronting for some members of the team, not for myself being the distinguished culinary expert that I am.
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We got into it. We smashed it up. I mean, the best was Jason Van der Spee trying to use chopsticks. Jason vanishing chopsticks. How could. It's like a. It was like a baby giraffe trying to walk for the first time. You know, the legs were. The legs were everywhere, like, completely. I actually. I actually was even to go and get the old tissue and put a. Put a rubber band on it, you know, like they make for kids, so you can use it. But, yeah, Jason looked like Bam, bam from the Flintstones with chopsticks. Just stabbing in the end. Yeah, it was pretty, Pretty, Pretty funny. Jason's recommendation. We went to the Sahi bowl place. All of us went to the Asahi Bowl. Three of us got seasonal fruit. Two of us got peanut butter. The three people with the season fruit, put it this way. Four people sleeping on tatami maps in a Japanese house with one toilet, and two people very, very sick. It was. Man, I. I. At one stage, I said to Sam, who was the other person who was feeling pretty rough. I said, I'm sorry the way I'm leaving the toilet. I just don't have any other way. I'm doing my best to keep it clean. And we were getting closer. Like, we were on sort of like these opposite, Opposite shifts, but then the shifts were getting closer, and I was like, sam, man, I said, if you go when you're in there, I'm just gonna have to go in the bath. And he's like, yeah, yeah, get over here. Me too. Oh, but m. I don't know the biomechanical position for a. To throw up correctly. But throughout my life, I like to be on my hands and knees, hands on the floor with my bowl going into the mouth. But this room is so tight, I had to be like a. I was almost like a ski slope. My ass was up the wall, and I was facing down, which made throwing up horrible experience because the sick went out your nose. And by the way, we're going both ends here. So you're timing whether you sit down, whether you stand up. And it was, it was. I mean I woke up the next day, I must admit. I woke up the next day feeling better. Sam was still pretty sick the next day. I said to steezy Pete, I want to get out, go for a drive. We drove up Sam and said to me, I just need to get some fresh, I need to go for a walk. Peter and I took the car. We were going to go up to Sandy Feet. We drove past and standing on this corner of the road was Sam. He looked like someone who was on drugs, lost, had been teleported to a different country. He looked like a yeti, had walked out, had no idea where he was. He's just standing on the corner looking from left to right with 120 degree swing. And I just looked at Pete, I said keep driving, don't stop, we don't want to die in the car. And we are laughing about it so much. But that night I bought him home a cheeseburger. I bought him home a cheeseburger from McDonald's and he took one bite and he just goes, it's delicious, so delicious. Oh man, it was pretty fun. We were looking forward to getting out of there. We're all a bit tired by the end. So yeah it was, it was pretty funny.
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So I have to fly home for not nice reasons and I get home and quite jet lagged and feeling, you know, not quite myself. And then the news comes through that the whole crew had, it was a co brown lockdown and to just to paint the picture, yeah you sleep on the floor in Japan on, in a small little room with just a humble blanket and a, and a pillow to rest your head. And the thought of the, the remaining crew all staggering over each other in order to get to the one bathroom that is, you know the walls are literally paper thin anyway that there's no
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dignity left at that time of night.
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What it did was it just shone a little bit of light into my life and yes, sort of keel over with laughter which was made all. I rang Sam and I was like are you all right? Just to check, you know because I was feeling some sympathy. You know it was about two minute window there where I had sympathy and during that window I rang him and he told me the tale of, you know, they're in the middle of the night and it said the, the, the, the, the, the sickly disease that was embedded within them was at its, the height of its powers and a Japanese toilet for those of you who Are Unaware is electronic and it has an assortment of buttons on one side. And when Sam was at his weariest, he went to lean upon the. The toilet just to have some respite between heaving or something, and he accidentally pressed one of these exotic buttons. And what happened, what happens when you press one of these buttons is an arm shoots out from from nowhere and presents itself in the middle of the bowl. And there are two little squirty eyes. And he described it as it looked like the alien in Alien when it burst through the body for the first time. And then in weariness, he was just stabbing at the rest of these buttons, hoping that one of them, he would. He would, he would hit the off button. And apparently it looked him square in the face and he had to beg for mercy.
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I mean, if that had been my personal toilet, I would have just drank from the water. I would have just had that one out. Just. I was drinking. And then because you get down to. Once you get to the bio, bro, it's. It's bad news, man. Actually, to be fair, Jason Van der Speay, absolutely sweet. True Legion came back with a couple of big jugs of Picari sweat for us just to get the Electrolux back in us. But we're pretty good to go. The next day, Jetto was. J and Sam were sort of down for the next day as well. But we, we had sort of planned to do some light days after that.
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And we done so good. Good as gold.
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The boys who had the peanut butter seemed to be okay, you know, so maybe it was something on that fruit, but we were all hyped on that place. Oh, we're coming back here tomorrow. We're like, we'll be back here for breakfast. Never went back ever again.
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Should we talk a bit about kite boarding? Or maybe not.
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Yeah, we can talk about. Hey, well, let me ask you a question then. Talk about Kite Morning rather than our cycles. Another publication has posted its annual awards. But let's talk about who. Who's your. Who's your male writer and female writer there? I don't care about the brainship. Let's do your male rider, your female writer, our male rider, our female and movie of the year.
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I think Natalie is. I think Natalie. Yeah, Epic performance at King of the Air, wasn't it? But then I also think it's a bit silly, too. Like, she's got the biggest accolade. Why does she need female rider as well? So as backup, I would go or Sarah had a good year, took out Mega Loop, didn't she Mikali soul looked unbelievable at lots of tram. But then we didn't see her after that. I might give it to Gisela Pulido just for having a bit of a comeback. Why not? Yeah, okay, that's mine. That's. That's my realistic one. A ridiculous one.
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I think I'd go Capucine, Delaware for female right there. I think she gets, they get overlooked. I mean, I mean She's a four time world champion, three time vice world champion. She's only 19. Once she won the world, she won the strapless world title with event to spare, I think. I mean they get big fleets, 15, 16 ladies a fleet. I. I mean, I think she probably, I think we probably need to always look out of big ear a little bit. I think as a backup, I think Natalie as well. I think the big one is the one they want to win. What about on the guy side?
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I think Finn Flugel winning a freestyle world championship in straps and being at the height of big air, I think it would be a great start for his career to win. If it was an illustrious award that people cared about, then, yeah, it should probably go to him. And yeah, I think it would help establish him as someone that was going to be one of the, the big names going forward, which is something that we're pretty certain of. So it would be good to celebrate him. I'd be Finn. I think Lorenzo obviously is a name that comes up, did his own trilogy. We kind of saw it coming. I think Lorenzo was just so it was just wasn't surprising. You remember when we filmed in Mykonos with them, we said, we all agreed he's gonna win King of the Air. Watch. Watch it. And he did. We knew he was just more consistent, more professional, more. He was just at a higher level. So I'll go Finn Flugel.
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I would choose Lorenzo, but I could easily pitch a case for Finn as well. I, I think what Finn did and also doing the hydrofoil and doing what he does and just being at the top of that game as well. Yeah, I, I could go both, but I think Lorenzo just with the pressures under and, you know, he was up against it this year, had some, you know, had pressure from Andrea and from. And from Jeremy at times and, you know, maybe had it had his own way at the end, at the end of the year with those guys getting knocked out of that finals competition. But yeah, Lorenzo or Lorenzo for sure. But yeah, I think Finn's also a good shout out. What about. I saw Graham. Hell's one for the Tribute was movie the year. What. What was your movie of the year?
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I think Vortex did come out in 2025, didn't it? the very beginning. Yeah. That is the video with the most passion, the most time, the most dedication, the most thought. It was beautiful. It was. It had some like remarkable riding in it and was a kite surfing movie. Yes, it actually was a kite surfing movie.
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It was a decent length. It was. People have put some thought into it. People just didn't go up to wit sand and threw some low loops. Sorry, Kinden Kellet. And put it out as a. As a video. You know, that's. Yeah, I agree. I think Vortex is the only one that could come to my mind as well. It should be a legit movie. Right. Something that's actually being produced with some. Some passion and some length to it and yeah, we should be rewarding guys who do that. We should be. They should be rewarded for the work they put in. Not just. Not just because this video had the most clicks.
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So who did win male rider of the year for IK Surfs?
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Lorenzo won.
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Okay.
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Which is on the guy side? I think it's Lorenzo. Andrea, I think that's fine. I can't remember who was third, but on the lady side it was Hannah. Then Alice Rugia.
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Okay, that's. Well, I mean we're fans of Elite Tree, but it does seem tad odd. But okay. Great stuff. Good. It's always good when the. You know when we get to talk about the. The opposition media company.
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Yeah. I didn't say the name and I won't. Should we bring back the Whaley's? People are talking about the whales.
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Maybe the Whaley's.
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Big Whaley's hurrah next year. We need to plan it a bit. Actually. We've thought about it, but we need to be a bit organized. But I think we should do it. We should have a. A section of 10 males and 10 females and they should blind or they should vote for the. Who they think. So it's maybe. Or we could just do open.
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No, otherwise we just decide we know exactly who's the. Right.
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Actually, by the way, I think we're pretty fair.
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Yeah. And we will. You can buy it if you want. We'll give it to you. For what? What would we give it to someone for? €200. €200? That's like a really good weekly shop for a family of five. Yeah, we do it for that.
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The one thing I really like about Lords of Tram is that with the bigger fleet being 24 men and 12 women, which GKA have, which do. They've actually done something really great here without knowing it, because that actually every year opens up for a lot of young kids and fringe riders to actually get an opportunity, both on the men's and the ladies side. And I think that's actually one of the best things that the gay do. And I don't see many positive things about the gk, but having that bigger fleet actually allows for a lot of fringe guys to get in, which I really like. So I think that we will see a couple of bolters for this event, like we've seen every year. You know, every year we're seeing guys get in and have a go and some of them are stuck to it, some of them have sort of crumbled under the pressure. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see who comes on that men's side because potentially we could be seeing the sort of next group of young guys come in. There's no age limit at Lords of Tram or through the gk, which is also good, but I expect to see Finn there and it's going to just see where Finners with his big ear. And on the lady side as well, we're going to, you know, hopefully see some younger girls come through and take the opportunity. Pretty square event, though. It's a pretty terrifying event.
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Yeah, it's the only event that has the potential for everyone to be in ski jackets and ski pants, not ski boots. But ski ski wear has happened in the past because it's that cold. It was Baby Shark's international competitive debut and he'd never worn a wetsuit before. 2018, 1919. Yeah. It is the only event I've attended where they've stopped because it's too windy. And that isn't the race director thinking that that's Lorenzo Casati and Liam Whaley being. This is like. This is ridiculous now. So, yeah, it's a really special place, a really special event. It's got like an amazing hum to it. There's great atmosphere there. Everyone's like, this is a really big deal. So, yeah, roll on, roll on, Lord to tram. The window opens from the 28th of March to the end of April. So, yeah, let's hope it howls at some point in between there. And, yeah, the first stop of the GKA World Tour, which is looking like a two stop this year.
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Second stop being in Mykonos, which is a spot that you and I have been to a few times now and always had great conditions there. Actually, in the summer, we've had days, but it's been, I mean, crazy windy. I mean, Jeremy, Belinda coming to me and saying it's just too much, you know, so that will be awesome. I think it's a kind of. It's an interesting spot because it's in a bay. If that kind of sounds a bit strange and I think if you do go, if you are into the viewing aspect, I think Laws of Tram is one of the best spots. But I think this also could be a very cool location because you can actually be up as high as the guys are jumping, if that makes sense because you can actually sit on either sides of the bay. I think you'd probably sit on the right hand side because the road's there. But yeah, also awesome viewing. Amazing spot. I mean, Mykonos is a cool spot in general.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think that's got a very short window though. So it's been interesting to see. Do you think all the bigger guys are going to be fully committed to this tour? This big, this big Air World Championship? Because a lot of the guy. I mean, a lot of guys don't like Bucky as they.
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I think absolutely they will. Yes. A lot of them talk about Buckeye as being dangerous and scary, but a single person has decided to not turn up to it. They all know they've got to. They all know it's a big deal
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that 4 non blondes head if you win it.
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Exactly, exactly.
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That's kind of cool, actually. That hat's kind of cool.
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A
Yeah. And the graphic design of the poster this year is epic. If you see the hat in the sky with. Yeah, it's epic. It's epic. So go guys. Go and follow Lord the Tram Instagram. Get excited for that event. And yeah, we'll be bringing Fantasy back for that. So hold on to your horses, Fantasy.
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B
We'll be back this year, guys. We've got big changes to announce and we'll let you know all about that in the, in the next few weeks. And that's actually going to be a little bit of a change than the way we've been playing it before. But I think all of us are a little bit excited about that and yeah, it's something new. You know, we're always looking to push change and do things differently and, and bring different stuff to the table. So, yeah, that's going to be. That's going to be exciting. But we'll let you know more about that in the coming weeks.
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A
Cool. I feel, Adrian, that when we do a podcast with a guest that people really Miss this. Just me and you. I think that can still exist, but on the portrait site in video form. And I think we talk about what we're planning and the things that have gone wrong and we look at customer service emails and how about how stupid people can be. And I think we do that. I think the members podcast we do more regularly. That's my feeling. Is that yours too?
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B
Absolutely. We sort of let that slip at the end of the year. But guys, I mean, for the people who are members and who have not seen that since October, man, we just get busy, man, we get busy. But we. It's not. It shouldn't be an excuse. We can sit down for half an hour a. Half an hour a week or half an hour a month. That's all we need.
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A
I also think, Adrian, we could do. We could record it before. So we jump on record. Yeah. And then we say, okay, now we're going to go into the public broadcast and then we come back to it after. So I think I. Yeah, I think that might be quite a nice feeling to an episode too. And.
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B
Yeah, and if you want to know what we really think, tune into those because we get deep. Is the industry on its knees?
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A
Yes, I know.
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B
Someone else's.
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A
It is. It is on its knees and it's sucking my. Indeed. Right, Good stuff. Good stuff. And that's it for this episode. Was it one of the all time greats? Well, it's not for. It's not for us humble broadcasters to say, is it? But it absolutely was. No doubt. No doubt it was. Thank you to us, as always, and we'll see you in the next one. Goodbye.