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Welcome to the kitesurf 365 podcast.
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Welcome back to the show. I hope you all had a great weekend. Today I'm joined by Stig Hoofnagel to talk about the legendary Nash House series, which returns this time shot in Cape Town and featuring their latest team rider, Jason Van der Spee. It's an incredible series. So well shot, the scenery is amazing and it features one of the scariest stunts I think I've seen Stig ever do. Don't forget to follow me at kitesurf365 for all the latest episodes. Ladies and gentlemen, subscribe Stig Hoof Nagel. Welcome back to the show, buddy. It's been, I think, a few years since we've spoken. Not in person, of course, but just on the podcast.
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Yeah, I see you around. See you in Cape Town or else like in Europe and Tarifa a bit. But yeah, I think it's been. Been about a year. Thank you for having me, mate.
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I must say, this Nash House, Cape Town, I really enjoyed. I mean, Edwin Hayton and Andy Troy smashed it with the shots, man. It is literally like world class animals and world class shots. You know, it looks really great. I mean, it is a very, very high quality product.
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A
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I, I mean, we, we were talking about making another version and then we. Well, obviously the discussion on who's gonna make it always comes up and I was like, there's only one. Like, there's no discussion, you know, like, there's only one guy that can do this and that's Edwin. And yeah, together he teamed up with Andy. They work a lot together and yeah, that brings out this result. And I thought, yeah, there was not like a minute wasted. It was just, yeah, everything just fell into place super easily. Um, which is amazing to see.
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B
If you want to see South Africa at its best, you can just watch this. Forget about watching all these nature shows, just. Just watch this and enjoy the kite boarding as well, because it is pretty crazy, mate. How did you find working with Jason Vanderspay? You know, he's new to the team, also a super creative guy. Did you guys sort of match well and that your sort of ideas sort of matched together what you guys wanted to bring out of this project?
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Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm super stoked to have a team rider or I had team riders in the past, but to have a, a bit of a friend as a team rider and also to have someone that is competing at the highest level as a team rider. We always used to have a Lot of these local riders, and I mean, back in the days, like 10, 15 years ago, we had these big legends in the team, obviously. And now, yeah, we having another legend on the team, which is. Which is great. And I think the sort of, the energy in between us, like, he's a bit more. A bit more playful and a bit more. I. I think I'm the. The more serious guy and he's a bit more. I. I don't want to say childish, but, like, he's a bit more childish is good.
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Let's go with childish. Yeah, playful. Let's say playful.
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Yeah, exactly. And I think that brings a super nice dynamic because it, like, it's like jokes mixed with, like, some serious. And, yeah, I think we bring. Bring out the best in each other, which is. I mean, that's what you want in a teammate. So I couldn't ask for anything more.
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Stig, we're here to talk about Nash House. First of all, can you tell us what Nash House is and what's the history of this project?
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Nash House, kind of the first editions of this movie started back in the early 2000s, when kiteboarding was born, basically. And it was initiative from Robbie and from the brand Nash, where they just. Where they put a whole bunch of team riders in the same house. And yeah, they film for a few weeks and come up with a cool movie. A lot of banter, a lot of cool tricks. And, like, the newest tricks, usually, like, back in the days, you wouldn't keep up with all the social media or just simply didn't exist, so you had to wait to see what other people had been up to in a movie like this. And then, yeah, it wasn't there for probably two decades. And we decided to bring it back with a bit of a new, different, fresh look compared to the old days. And, yeah, now you can just stream it on YouTube instead of having to buy DVD, which is great.
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Are the old ones still available? Can they be seen on YouTube? Where can people see the old ones?
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That's actually a very good question. I was cleaning out the office a few days ago, and then we moved loads of boxes with old DVDs. Also, the Nash House ones probably had a copy of, like, 100 copies of each.
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Crazy.
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A
And yeah, that's a good question, actually. I don't know. Maybe some of the listeners know. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to answer that.
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Surely someone can take those DVDs and put them into digital copies now and load them up somewhere. That could be fun.
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Yeah, I'm sure they've done that. I'm sure there's somewhere on a hard drive at the Nash office.
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It was super cool seeing, like, people like Matisse Romulglu and Alyssa Minch talking about watching previous Nash houses in the past and going, oh, wow, this is amazing. I'd love to be there. And I remember after Nash House Brazil, you know, the guys in that talking about wanting to be in a Nash house. So it's cool to see how this Nash house maybe, or is inspiring the next sort of group of young riders to come through Nash and to be in the next one, because it's become a bit of a legendary series, right?
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I hope so. Yeah. I'm actually currently in Hawaii in Maui, and we unfortunately were closing down the Nash office here in Hawaii. It was mostly R and D team that was still here, but we're moving that to Hood River. So last week I was clearing out the office. Basically, like, old magazines, but also old DVDs that had, like, I think, like, I don't know how many boxes full of DVDs of, like, all sorts of kite movies. And they were on DVD. Like, you had these, like, small little DVDs and. Yeah, I had all the different versions of Nash House. I was like, that's cool.
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Where's all that stuff going? Is that stuff going to Nash Europe, or can you get your little mitts on it and sort of create a cool little collection for yourself?
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So the. Well, I mean, they had probably like a gazillion copies of every single thing. So we kept like a handful of each. And that's going all to Kubas in the Netherlands, which owns. Owns Nash.
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The last few Nash houses have had, like, a big stunt in it. You know, the. The sand dune jump, you know, the last time, which was super cool. But this one in particular, the jump at Misty Cliffs. Dude, there's no wind stick. What were you thinking? I mean, you're trying to even launch the kite, there's no wind. I mean, I laugh at that thing when, you know, Matthias, who, by the way, Matanus Romeo Glue is a. Is a really great kid, you know, hasn't sort of busted onto that top level, but a really great person and a great guy. But his concern for you saying, sticky, you only have to do this if you're confident. It was nice to see a little bit of empathy at the top of something that's 400 meters above the water.
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Yeah, it was super funny because I obviously have all the clips and there's a lot of stuff recorded behind my back that I don't know about until I, like, get behind my laptop and I get to see it. And, like, it was so funny. Sort of seeing his view from what I was doing, like, afterwards and then sort of living through his emotions was super funny because he's just. He's obviously like a super stoked and happy kiddo. And he just hiked up with me all the way and he was just like, yeah, it was just super funny to see. So it was good to have that kind of energy and mentality around me when I was doing this. And afterwards he said, like, he really needed to sort of keep himself relaxed and composed because, yeah, if he gets stressed, then might transfer over into me, then. That's also why I chose to bring Andy and him, because I figured if anyone can deal with the stress besides, like, doing their job, it would be them. Because Andy is obviously, he's a paraglider and he's been up there many times and he knows a lot about, like, he's basically been involved in almost every stunt I've done. So he kind of knows exactly what I need and when. Um, and I think, yeah, he was pretty nervous too.
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Dude.
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I was only told me after. He's never told me that.
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B
Especially the. Especially the first launch. I don't want to say too much, but you have to check that out. But, mate, that, by the way, that's a hell of a hike. 400 meters straight up. You must have been. You must have been pretty shattered when you got to the top.
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Yeah, I was, yeah. I. There's very few things I've done like, I'm quite fit. I like to do sports. I don't necessarily party and stuff a lot. So now, especially the last few years, I've just been, I don't know, super active. So I'm quite fit. But I heavily underestimated the amount of sort of mental stress in combination with the physical stress. I mean, the physical stress was not that demanding because it's like, it's an hour and a half of hiking, like most people can. That can do that. But it wasn't like 40 degrees or 38 degrees zero. Almost no wind. And I had to put on a wetsuit at some point. And I was just. Especially after that first launch didn't work. I just sat up on top in my wetsuit, waiting for a bit of wind, basically. And then that was super demanding because I was just. It was like I was sitting in a sauna. I was just losing so much water and liquid. My whole wetsuit was basically wet just from sitting on top of. Yeah. And that, like, that in combination with, like, okay, I'm gonna just jump off a mountain in. In any moment. That physical. Physical and, like, mental stress was like, I don't. I've never experienced something like that. The moment I knew I was like, good. I was like, back in my car, sort of sat down, like, I just basically collapsed. I had nothing left.
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B
You've told me many times over the years that, you know, when you do these stunts, you know, everything's super planned. And, you know, we saw a little bit of a glimpse of that in this. Going through the safety systems, having a backup harness. If the kite gave you had. You had the. Or the shoot as well. Have you ever practiced using that shoot? I think that's the same shoot used in Oman as well. Right, when you did the jump in Oman.
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Yeah. So I've used a safety parachute, like a reserve parachute twice now. Once during this toe up in Oman, which was about 140 meters high. And then also now during this jump from Misty Cliffs. And no, I've never had to use it. It's made for paragliding, and it's rigged in a way on a separate harness that I can use it and it will function the way it should function. But I've never had to use it. No.
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B
Out of my own interest, if you have to eject the kite and pull that safety, can you fly that safety, or is it literally just slowing you down before you hit the ground?
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No, it's like a World War II kind of parachute. Just a strike, you know, where you just.
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It's gonna hurt.
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Just straight line things above you and hope. Yeah. I mean, the goal is not to be crushed on the ground, so. And it will do that job.
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The drone shots from that jump. I mean, Misty Cliffs is. I mean, if you haven't been to Misty Cliffs, guys, you've got to go out there. It's one of the most beautiful views you can see because you're above it. You're looking into this crystal blue water with you jumping off that cliff with Andy flying the drone with the water. And it's even more beautiful because there's not a. Not any wind at all. You're just creating your own wind, mate. It's. It's spectacular shots. I mean, you must have been so proud when you saw that, when you saw the footage.
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Yeah. I mean, going into Nash House in general, I feel like it's like, I. I mean, obviously, I. I do a lot of this short kind of content, which makes it to Instagram, but The thing I enjoy most is making a long form content, like one long form movie where it's like, yeah, you can just go sit down in the evening, you watch it and you enjoy a piece of kiting that is like, when you go out in the weekends, it's your hobby. And then I hopefully. Or we in this case can hopefully entertain you and be like, holy shit, I want to go to Cape Town. Or I want to have a kite body like that. Or I like. You kind of want to. Yeah, that's like the feeling that I want to give with a movie like this. And so we going into this movie, we told all the team writers, or myself and Edwin, we were like a bit in charge in this case and we were like, okay, Matisse, come up with a creative idea, come up with something cool, and if it's good enough, we'll do it. And if it turns out sick, it will make it into the movie. And that was kind of the mentality going into this Nash house. So I told Jason this, I told myself this, I told Alisa and so on. And then, yeah, I figured after all these sort of small step, step ups, the jumps, they got bigger and bigger and bigger and. Well, how iconic is Mystic Lifts, by the way?
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I like that idea to empower others because, you know, Nash houses have always been an opportunity to showcase other people in the Nash team that aren't maybe household names. You know, you've got Aiden in this one as well, and. And Aiden Edhome, I should say, in this one as well. So it's super cool to see. Let's talk about Mikasa. Was that seriously a gun or was that a fake gun? And was Jason seriously bringing it?
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Was. It was a BB gun. So it's like. Yeah, so it is. It is a. It is an actual loaded gun, as in, like, I think it uses like these gas. Gas pouches and then it has rubber bullets in it. So it will, like, if you get a hit from not too far of a distance, it will probably drop you. It's not fun. Like, it will definitely scare you away, but it won't kill someone. No. But, yeah, I mean, you've been there. It's close to one of the biggest townships in South Africa, and it can at times be a little bit sketchy, especially when you're there just by yourself or with a few people. So we always try to go in a big group where there's at least like 10 or 15 cars. But we knew that we wanted to score the Sunset Session. And usually at that time there's very few people left, so, yeah, we had it in the glove box just in case.
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B
You were pretty scared going into those super loops. And I love what you said. It's a really cool thing you said to Jason. Jason, there's just no steps. There's. There's no progression to learn here. It's. You either don't, or you go for it. And I thought that was really cool. But. And that's what actually makes them so scary. Right? You can't build up to that.
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Yeah. Yeah, I was. I mean, Jason joined the team in January, and we filmed this just a few weeks after he joined. And I was like, okay, we, like, now that you're in the team, I feel like we are pretty equal. You're more on the competing side with having your own signature thing, which is super loops. And I've been in the team for a while. I've used to compete, and now I'm, like, more into the stunts and to those things. How cool would it be to go and sort of submerge our interests a bit? And then I took him. Yeah. On a bigger session where we unhook after the loops. And he has a freestyle background, obviously, so I went into it super detailed. I was like, oh, you have to do this and that and make sure your kite is here. Basically, run. Run through the whole trick. And then he goes like, we finished this section. And then he goes and puts me on short lines, which was 10 meter lines, I think, and then gives me no explanation. I'm like, dude. And then he pulls me aside on the beach, and he's like, yeah, you basically just go super fast, and then you steer your kite to 12, but you cannot stop your kite at 12, so you basically have to keep steering it around. And then you push the bar out, and you. You're gonna have the sickest loop of your life. And I was like, wait, what? And the thing is, like, the. The windier it is, the better. Like, the windier it is, the more committed you are, the better will be, basically. But that's super scary. Like, at least to me. And if you do pull a loop, like you would do on long lines, you just got punished for it. Like, it's actually better to fully commit because then, yeah, it will be more forgiving.
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B
You're coming in fast. When you. When you see the shots from the GoPro in the mouth, bro, the speed that you're coming down is crazy out of those loops. And, you know, you're also been. Also, you're being thrown around because the kite is working so hard to catch you.
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A
Yeah. You basically, to get the height, which is probably around 10, maybe 15 meters, is for a very big part, just coming from your takeoff. So it's not even using the lift of the kite to jump. It's like using the kicker and using the speed towards the kicker to get to that height, which is pretty crazy to think about. I have mad respect for Jason. Like, it's crazy what he does. Especially like, standing. Like, I was standing next to Andy when we were filming this because he has this crazy slow mo cam. And we probably. I think we probably have one of the sickest, like, short line loops ever of Jason during this or in the Nash house. And I was standing next to him, sort of directing a bit and seeing different angles because it's. It gets pretty repetitive just to do that same loop again. And then I got to be on the water with him, and I was like, dude, you're crazy.
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B
Which kite is better for those short line super loops? The. The pivot or the Psycho? And you guys are riding different kites, right? You rode. You were. You were switching it up a bit.
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A
Yeah. So during the first session of that day, during the unhooking, I was riding a pivot. But then for this short line session, I took the cycle, which is a five strut kite. And it's actually the new cycle. It hasn't released yet. It's also welded, so it's very similar technique as Brainchild is using, but it's not from Brainchild, and Jason is currently developing that together with Ewan, our kite designer. And it worked like. I think you want to kite. Oh, I'm not the expert in super loops, first of all, but I think you want a kite that's pretty rigid. So therefore, a 5 strut kite will always be the first pick. Usually I never really ride the Psycho, but for this, the short lines, I did take it just so it keeps its shape a lot better because there's so much tension going through that loop that you want a kite that. That performs.
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B
The Mystic Cliffs jump is on the. On the pill.
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Yeah, it was on the pivot as well. Yeah. Which afterwards it. Like, for a jump like that, it doesn't make too much of a difference. It maybe would have been nicer to be on a. On a cycle just because it's five struts and it's a little bit more stable because at some point you. Because there's almost no wind, you're creating your own wind. So at some point I was probably flying backwards into the wind with I would say like 60 or 70 kilometers per hour. So that's the amount of wind that you have. So then to stop your, your movement backwards, you have to pull a kite loop. And when I did that, yeah, there was like, it was a little, little jiggly on the bar. Would have probably been better on a five strut kite.
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B
I, I was going to say that I sort of forgot about. We can go back to that jump now. When you watch the video, it's all fun and games and peace till you start sort of looping that kite round and then suddenly you can see your body being thrown quite a, quite a lot of movement into your body. Was that concerning or worrying for you or were you okay still then? Because when you first see it, it's a distinct change in, in the flying.
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Yeah. So I mean, I have pulled a gazillion different kite loops over the years, but this one is just. It threw me off. I just did not expect that, that it would wheel me around that much. Just basically, I think I, I mean, I don't know exactly, but I think just because I was flying backwards with so much speed and all of a sudden you're stopping that motion and when you're like just steering your kite back and forth between like 1 and 11, it slows you down a little bit. But the moment you pull a kite loop, it just stops you. So it's basically going from 60, 70 kilometers per hour to zero in like matter of seconds.
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B
I love in the video when Jason's down on the beach, he's like, I can't even see them. He goes, there's not any wind in there, but it's really windy up there. Then we cut to you and you're like pulling on the flo, trying to get the b. Trying to get the kite in the air. Yeah, no, it was, it was very impressive, man. I mean it must have been a great relief to hit that a cool water and, and cool off and you know, and just realize, holy, it's over.
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Yeah, yeah. At some point because I was, I mean, we hiked up that took about an hour and a half in 40 degree. So you can imagine how sweaty and hot I was. And then I, I like the thing is, when you're on top of that mountain, like all the wind that is there gots compressed to the top. And that's why it was basically no wind at the bottom, but a bit of wind at the top and then it wants to go forward and up. So when your kite is above you it doesn't stay at 12. It like goes over your head, so you have to pull the floaties and so on to basically make it backst on purpose. And the first time I was just a little bit in the wrong spot and my kite just front stalls because I take one little step down a rock and that just took a little bit of that wind out of the kite. And then it crashed on the rocks. And we had to do the whole setup again, find a new location. And that took another hour, hour and a half. I was pretty stressed at that point. And then. Yeah, so it was like three hours in the blasting sun and heat, basically.
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B
Did you recheck the kite after it went into the rocks? And I mean, by the way, if you've been to Cape Town, that's not soft bushes and scrubs and rocks and stuff like that. Did you have a quick look at the kite to make sure everything was okay?
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That's like the own. Because, like, the only reason that I, that I'm confident doing these stunts is that I, I make sure that I put myself in the position and make sure that every single step along that way and from like, thinking about it to doing this, doing the stunt itself is done exactly correctly. So that when I'm there and it doesn't feel right, I know that I've done everything to make it happen. So then if it doesn't happen, I just, like, can't forget about it. So I made sure I had different lines that were super strong and thick. I had a safety parachute. I had a. I have my bar hole, like, sort of custom special made and had a second harness which is like, all things that could, like the things that could possibly go wrong were sort of taken care of. And then I sort of. I crashed the kite. I mean, we checked it and we pumped it up. But in the ideal situation, I would have taken a new kite. Yes. But we didn't have it up there. And I was not going to hike down and back up to go get a new kite. And from all the things that could go wrong, the kite would be lost of my worries. Like, even if it would start deflating halfway, that's like the best of the worst case scenario.
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B
The Nash house was that Jason Van der Spee's family home? Did you kick out the Vander space and just all shift in there yourself? Is that how it works?
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No, no, we rented a separate house. No, we didn't. No.
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B
I mean, the house is kind of important, right? I mean, it's like, keeps you all together, you know? It sort of builds up that sort of, you know, that sort of excitement about the shoot. I always feel it's important if you all stick together in a shoot. There's something about that.
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A
Yeah, definitely. And that's like, the whole purpose of it because, like, you all know each other and you'll see each other, but very often, or you would stay with someone for a few days or a few weeks during a shoot, but you would never really all stay together. And I think just, like, getting to know each other, seeing all these different characters, that's just super nice. And that's only possible if you're staying in a house together.
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B
I know you're there with Ewan and those guys. Did they watch Nash House? What did they think? Because I remember after Nash House Brazil, you know, you guys talked into Ewan to doing Big Air. He's not. I mean, he. Although Ewan's competed in Big Ear, he's not really a Big Air guy. What did they think when they saw the video?
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A
Yeah, they thought it was super cool. I mean, he was part of the Nash House Brazil and he wasn't part of this one. But we did actually did a screening a few days ago in the Nash office and then. Yeah, it was Ewan's first time seeing it and he loved it. He thought it was great. It's like the difficult thing is that Cape Town has been so overdone or overdone. People have been going there for, I don't know, 20 years shooting kite movies. So to find something that is sort of new and at the same time inviting and wanting to go to Cape Town with just a movie, it was pretty hard and was also kind of the goal to sort of. Yeah, make something different that is Cape Town and shows Cape Town, but it's not really been done before, I suppose, and I think we managed to do that quite well. I had some people that came to watch the movie. They were like, oh, I want to go to Cape Town. They started asking me all these questions. And they're from Hawaii. Like, they live in paradise, you know, and they want to go there. So I think that's super cool.
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B
I mean, at the end of the end of the show, you're. You're saying, look, hey, we're promoting kiteboarding here, right? This is. This is to get you into the sport and to bring you on that journey. Are you going to continue this legacy of the. Of the Nash House on? Because, you know, Robbie has less and less to do with the company these days. It was originally his idea, do you feel like some ownership and. And responsibility for you to. To keep driving these projects forward?
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A
I don't know. I actually, I was. I mean, I've been shooting with Robbie here for the last week, so we see each other on a. On a daily basis. And just before going on this podcast, I actually send him the Nash house as well. Just the link that I send you as well, to go have a look. I haven't had a response yet, but I know he's not maybe the biggest fan of these stunts, so I figured if it's coming from someone, better come from me instead of him seeing it online, I suppose. So send him a message on WhatsApp, and I'm curious to see what his response will be. And yeah, it's different than what he was doing, but I would really like to keep that same sort of spirit going to be creative, to be inviting, but also show how cool the sport is that we're doing and what we're doing and that the gear that we present is the best on the market.
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B
I agree with looking to do different stuff. I mean, you said people have been shooting cape town for 25 years or 20 years. You collect any Cape Town video. Honest. Pretty much the same. You know, I also also like that these are decent links. So many people said to me, oh, we're putting out. I'm putting out an edit this week, and it's like three minutes. I'm like, three minutes, dude, let's have some commitment, man. You know, and, you know, I like the fact that it's 30 plus minutes long and, you know, there's. It's fun, you know, I mean, and I also believe that we should be looking for the fun in kiteboarding. I do. And I. And I. You know, if you've been listening to podcasts, I've been going on and on about it that we need to find the fun again in kiteboarding. I feel like we've sort put ourselves in a hole on the back of big air that it's becoming so serious and people should be going out there just to have fun. And, you know, I think that this video brings that out as well, you know, like, you know, the. Even, like, wakeboarding behind the horse, you know, the horsepower, you know, it's.
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A
It's.
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B
It's just there for fun, you know, it's. And that's cool stuff, you know?
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A
Yeah, yeah. That was also the goal, to come up with, like, all sort of these creative, silly, silly things like wakeboarding behind a horse, like, who does that? You know, but it's it fits sort of. It's not kiting, but it fits in. And it's like lifestyle and it's just, it just made sense.
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B
I think Matthias just wanted to get a shirt off on cameraman. You know, he just wants to be walking around with the shirt off.
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A
Man, all the team riders are so ripped. Like Jason, the guy could be competing in bodybuilding. Ridiculous.
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B
Mate, we've got a funny, we've got a funny scene when we're shooting with Jason in Japan with him standing with his shirt off. It's. It's pretty hilarious. But yeah, man, I mean, I like that. I just like the fact that, you know, like, I like the fact that I can sit down, have a cup of tea or coffee and just, and actually just watch something or some substance. Not like get excited about it and I find out it's only three minutes long. I'm like, dude, I can't get excited about this.
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A
No. And that's the whole goal. Like we, for the last two, two months or month and a half, we've been doing all these screenings, the premier nights, and it just brings like all these kiters together, like all friends or people from the local spots. And it's just a fun evening. We have a beer, we have a laugh, we watch the movie and people are, yeah, they actually go sit down and watch the movie and they're like, they. You could just see and feel the energy during the movie. Like what parts, what parts make people laugh and like what makes them like on tip, on the tip of the toes, like, oh, like what's going wrong? Or what's going. Like, yeah, just to, to, to bring that. And, and, and, and I think you cannot do that with short movies. Like you have to really sort of be committed, be pulled into the movie and then. Yeah, you won't forget it at the end. Like that, that's the, that's the main, main part. And I think Edwin has done such a good job that it's like a 35 or 36 minute movie. But it feels like when you watch it, you're like, I want more. And it was, it didn't feel like you were watching for half an hour. And then I think you have a. You've done a good job as editor.
- [30:07]
B
How many other premieres are you going to do? Are you going to do one in Tarifa as well? I guess, I guess that you would do them around the main spots. Tarifa seems like the next no brainer. Will that be a spot that you'll do a premiere?
- [30:18]
A
I Have been doing four or five now, mainly in Holland, and I did one here in Hawaii. But it was the idea to have every local or every team idea presented their local place. So Alessa will show a few in Germany, and then Kat was doing some UK Matisse. I'm in. In France, and I think. I believe Matisse is in. In Spain, so I should probably send him a message like, hey, look, if you can organize some of this, just do it, you know, and then. And that's also a great way to sort of put them on the spotlight where. Where it's Matisse that competes and has a small following. But if he can present a movie like that, it will bring a lot of awareness and attention to him. And I think just, yeah, that on its own is super valuable for. To have it as an experience and to. To present Nash in that way.
- [31:10]
B
I think we should do more premiers. I like it. You know, the premiers that I've always been to and like, the Kite Surfers, they. They. They like them too. Like, they turn up like everyone's standing around having a beer. We all go in, we watch, we all come out, talk about it. I like it. I think it builds community. We should do more of those.
- [31:25]
A
Yeah, I think that's. And that's the whole. The whole goal, I guess. And some movie nights, there's like 200 people showing up. Some movie nights, there's 20 people showing up. But it doesn't. It, for me, doesn't change anything. Like, it's still the same sort of. It brings different energy, but it's like you're still doing the same thing, and then people are happy to see each other and had a fun night and they all drank a beer and they. They got to ask some questions. And. Yeah, I think that's like. Yeah, community. Exactly. That's what you want.
- [31:56]
B
Do you ever get nervous when you watch these showings? Do you ever get nervous when you. The first time when, you know, like, it's always a bit of a strange one. You, like when you see yourself on screen, you're like, oh, my God, what am I doing?
- [32:06]
A
Doing?
- [32:08]
B
This is embarrassing.
- [32:10]
A
Yeah, I've been doing this for, like, three years, so I've done quite a few of these nights. Maybe like 15 or 20 of these evenings. And before it was always movies of where I was the main character, it was the Stig movies. And then, like, it's just me. And now it's a movie about the team, which makes it. I mean, the. Yeah, the first times with the stick movies. I Was nervous because I. I didn't know what people were going to say and expect and, and, and how they were gonna judge it. And then now we're presenting something that's from Nash, so I'm less like, I'm a little bit more on the background. And yeah, that doesn't make it very stressful for me at least.
- [32:49]
B
But also, you've been working with Edwin for many years, right? And, and you. And at some stage, you trust Edwin enough that his job is to make you guys look good. I mean, that's his job, right? To make you look good, tell the story, get the shots, make it look tight. He's not there to throw you under the bus.
- [33:04]
A
No, not at all. And the cool thing is every day he was there for nine days in Cape Town and every day with wind, we were doing something regarding kiting or trying to go on missions. And then the days without wind, he would be like, text me in the morning. He's like, hey, Stig, what are you doing today? And I would just drive him around Cape Town to go and film birds, baboons, zebras, whatever, like wildlife, make drone shots, make car shots, like all the sort of little fillers that nobody really wants to do usually. I spent three days drive. I spent three days driving Edwin around because I know, like, I know it's worth it, and I know it's going to make the movie so much better because just seeing that wildlife and seeing the nature sort of mixed in between the cool edits and so on, it just brings that different sort of. Yeah, it really gives you the feeling I'm watching a movie and I'm not watching some guy do kite tricks.
- [34:08]
B
The other thing I like about Edwin, and I guess Stoke Farm as well, which is the company, is they turn around things quickly. You know, too many times people make an edit or they film something and it comes out like a year later, and I really feel like the. The momentum's lost, you know? And this is filmed in February. Right. And we're. We're going to be talking about releasing in May. I mean, that's. That's pretty awesome.
- [34:32]
A
We. We talked about releasing it first of April or like beginning of April, but then we still had quite a few premiere nights planned, so we decided to do it after all the premiere nights were finished. But I think I received the first draft of the entire movie probably like three weeks later, which is crazy because it's like a 35 minute movie. And the same thing happened actually with Brazil. Same thing it was. He probably had the first draft after like a month. And you watch the first draft and it's like, like, this is sick. You know, this is the first draft. But it's crazy because, like, he would, he would empty his SD cards in the evening and he would straightaway make a timeline when it's still fresh in his head, and he would straightaway make a timeline just with the best shots and then the order that he believes it should be in and then he leaves it. And then at some point there's going to be a song that pops into his mind and he's going to go, oh, that fits good with that section because I saw it like a week ago. And then he puts it on and it's like, oh, maybe it doesn't work. But if you build up something super raw from the start, you already can sort of visualize it and it also gives you energy and you want to keep on working on that. And I think because he sort of gives himself time, but not too much. It. Yeah, it brings out the best.
- [35:55]
B
I GUESS it's been three or four years since Nash House Brazil. Would that be right?
- [36:01]
A
2022, but end of 2022. So I think it released in 2023.
- [36:07]
B
So three, three years since Nash House Brazil. Is it going to be three years before the Nash House, or are you going to try and turn these around a little bit more? Because I know I probably. I mean, I'm sure you' do more of the Stig series. I mean, what's next for both those series?
- [36:23]
A
Yeah, good question. I. I'm pushing Nash to do one every year. That was the idea a few years ago, but then, yeah, we had a mix in in or we had different people coming and leaving in the office, in the. In on the back end of, of of the company and it was just a bit too much at the same time. But I'm really going to push and already start making a plan now for next year to make another one or even this year, I suppose, and then to, yeah, hopefully make one each year. That would be the goal. That would be great. It'd be super cool to have like five or, I don't know, seven, six, eight, nine, 10 different movies and then it's sort of a series and it's sort of all done in the same or similar style, but complete different environments and complete different. Yeah, stunts, kite tricks and so on.
- [37:21]
B
Maybe some mountain stuff next time, bro. Get up into those mountains.
- [37:25]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? I'm making a lengthy explanation behind a jump as well. So I'm going to Make a separate. I'm editing that myself, but it's like a separate. I think it's like 25 minutes just on the emotion and everything that goes on in my mind, in my head, behind the scenes when I'm doing stuff like that. So that's what I'm currently working on. It will probably release a little bit after the Nash house, and then I'm flying to Iceland next week. Next week? Yeah, to make another lengthy movie to do another premiere night, this time of a movie of my own in probably going to be October, November, that it will release.
- [38:09]
B
Will this be in the Stick series? All the Stick series is finished, yeah.
- [38:14]
A
So the last one I did was in Oman, and it was a lot of work and a lot of organizing. Maybe this had had something to do with Oman and it being sim, like, slightly complicated when it comes to permits, but it was a lot of work for what I sort of received in return. And it's. Yeah, I don't know. It's. Who knows? If I find, like, I don't want to force these projects, as in they sort of happen. If I get super stoked and obsessed about a certain idea in a location, I'll make it happen. And I have this now with something else, which is going to be super cool, but it's not in the stick theme. But this might happen again. Who knows?
- [39:00]
B
Before we end this, Stega, I guess I'd be remiss if I didn't talk to you about Andrea's jump. You are, I guess, along with Nick, one of the premier stunt guys in the industry. I know you guys both don't like that term and it's probably not very becoming of what you guys do. What did you think of Andrea's jump? Probably a very similar situation to you had. Right. With literally no wind. What was your take when you saw that?
- [39:26]
A
Jealousy? No, I don't know. I have a script or like a PDF on my laptop somewhere that basically is this stunt that he did. And I was trying to make that happen first in the Netherlands, and then I was starting to find people to make it happen in Dubai. But I. Yeah, that became very like. It was a. I didn't really know who to talk to and where to find it. But I'm super. Yeah, I'm super stoked for him that he. That he. That he pulled it off. And I think they did it in. I'm hoping there's, like. There's a lengthy version of it coming, I think. I hope.
- [40:07]
B
Don't know what's happening there, bro. To Be honest.
- [40:11]
A
But the images that I saw, what he posted online so far is mind blowing. It's. You can see like the skyline of the city in the background, and it's like sunrise, I believe. And it's just so sick. It's super cool.
- [40:24]
B
I heard about that stunt maybe three years ago. It was actually originally, back then, Yannick was going to do it for Red Bull.
- [40:32]
A
Yeah.
- [40:34]
B
But because the, the Dubai or the Dubai I or aim to buy has never really moved. It's been broke. It just was too big, you know, it didn't move. So it was sort of stagnant. And they were trying to do it for the opening. And then obviously, you know, Yannick left kite boarding and that never happened. So when I saw a picture of Andrea standing in front straight away, I thought, oh, maybe they've had the permits to do this or been wanting to do this for some time. And now it's like he's the next guy to do it, you know? But, yeah, pretty crazy.
- [41:02]
A
Yeah, I knew about Janik too. Like, we, we had good friends with Yannick and we, we had conversations about this and because we didn't like, with these things, like, a lot of like, or I guess a few of us, they. We think in the same way and we. I don't want to cut someone off. So if I, like, for example, with Yannick, I heard that he wanted to do it, and then I was like, but I also have this idea, but I don't want to make it a race to, like, who's first, I suppose. So I just called him up and I was like, hey, bro, what are your thoughts? Like, how is this going? Like, what's the process like? I've been struggling with this and this and this. I don't think I give it a 50, 50 chance at the moment. If you, you're. If you're having higher stakes, man, go for it. Please do it. Like, I don't want to make it like, yeah, like a race to the. To who gets there first. And then with. With Andrea, I knew that he was going to do it, like, I don't know, half a year before that because he was just repetitively going to Dubai. And yeah, I kind of like felt it coming. And I was like, okay, I'm stoked for you. Because, like, I knew the door in the Netherlands, for example, was shot because they, they changed owners. And I had good contact with the first owner, but then the second owner, I didn't know. And then it's like, okay, that's like out of the out of the occasion. And then the moment I knew that he was going to try it in Dubai together with Red Bull, I said, okay, leave this, leave this on and move on, you know?
- [42:31]
B
Well, Sticky, thanks very much for coming on, buddy. Guys, I'll put the link to this in the bio. Definitely watch this. It's awesome. I mean, it's probably one of the best Nash houses I've watched in some time. The jump is crazy. The, the shots are just beautiful. I mean, it really is a testament to, to Edwin and Andy and the job. Those guys did it behind the camera. But mate, thanks again for your time, dude. Looking forward to the next one. Always looking forward to your projects and looking forward to catching up. Maybe in Mykonos.
- [42:59]
A
Yeah, who knows? I mean, well, first of all, I'm going from the warm one, very warm island to a very cold island. Super cool. So, yeah, we'll probably, probably speak again soon.
- [43:11]
B
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